Fortune of twins should be the same?

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I want to raise a question. Why the fortune of twins are not always

same, though they might have the same birth time even, and the same

planatory positions. I even have saw several times that one of the

twins was died some time after.

 

Please have some thoughts at this topic.

[Guest guest]

1. Difference may still exist in Time albeit a few minutes.

2. What about the individual yogas in their Parents/elder or younger

sibling's horoscope?

 

These could be possible reasons...Additionally

Prayers and Good Deeds or Karma may have a lot to explain...

 

Experts can throw some light

 

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Pratik Jain <pratikkumarjain wrote:

 

Pratik Jain <pratikkumarjain

Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:38 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi all,

I want to raise a question. Why the fortune of twins are not always

same, though they might have the same birth time even, and the same

planatory positions. I even have saw several times that one of the

twins was died some time after.

 

Please have some thoughts at this topic.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Pratik,

 

Twins are not born at the exact same moment. They are usually a few

minutes apart, and this changes the divisional charts.

 

The may be of different Gender, this changes the significances of

planets and houses.

 

They are not the same jeevatma / soul. Therefore they will use their

freewill differently.

 

Twins may be born with difficulty in early health indicated in both

their charts. The different divisionals may tip the scales for one

twin and not the other. Thus one may die while the other survives.

 

Does anyone know if this question has been addressed in any classic

Jyotish texts?

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

 

 

On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Pratik Jain wrote:

 

> Hi all,

> I want to raise a question. Why the fortune of twins are not always

> same, though they might have the same birth time even, and the same

> planatory positions. I even have saw several times that one of the

> twins was died some time after.

>

> Please have some thoughts at this topic.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pranam Vicji,

 

Hi This is Rakesh, Remember I had twins born according to date and time we

decide on july 21st. Male Shiv born on 1.31 PM and Female Soni Born on 1.32Pm.

 

Right now u see lot of difference in both twins. But also their AL,HL,GL all are

different too so of course it will make lot ot difference.

 

Thanks

 

 

RP

 

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

 

Vic D <vicdicara

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 12:56 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Pratik,

 

Twins are not born at the exact same moment. They are usually a few

minutes apart, and this changes the divisional charts.

 

The may be of different Gender, this changes the significances of

planets and houses.

 

They are not the same jeevatma / soul. Therefore they will use their

freewill differently.

 

Twins may be born with difficulty in early health indicated in both

their charts. The different divisionals may tip the scales for one

twin and not the other. Thus one may die while the other survives.

 

Does anyone know if this question has been addressed in any classic

Jyotish texts?

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicast rologer.net

 

On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Pratik Jain wrote:

 

> Hi all,

> I want to raise a question. Why the fortune of twins are not always

> same, though they might have the same birth time even, and the same

> planatory positions. I even have saw several times that one of the

> twins was died some time after.

>

> Please have some thoughts at this topic.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Pranam Rakeshji,

 

Yes actually I was intrigued over the birth of your twins at one

minute apart. One is a boy and the other a girl - so there are

significant differences there. Would you kindly supply more details on

the alternative Lagnas (ascendants) and how and why they differ in

your twins?

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

 

 

On Aug 5, 2008, at 11:24 AM, R.P wrote:

 

> Pranam Vicji,

>

> Hi This is Rakesh, Remember I had twins born according to date and

> time we decide on july 21st. Male Shiv born on 1.31 PM and Female

> Soni Born on 1.32Pm.

>

> Right now u see lot of difference in both twins. But also their

> AL,HL,GL all are different too so of course it will make lot ot

> difference.

>

> Thanks

>

>

> RP

>

> --- On Tue, 8/5/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

>

> Vic D <vicdicara

> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

> jyotish-vidya

> Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 12:56 PM

Dear Pratik,

>

> Twins are not born at the exact same moment. They are usually a few

> minutes apart, and this changes the divisional charts.

>

> The may be of different Gender, this changes the significances of

> planets and houses.

>

> They are not the same jeevatma / soul. Therefore they will use their

> freewill differently.

>

> Twins may be born with difficulty in early health indicated in both

> their charts. The different divisionals may tip the scales for one

> twin and not the other. Thus one may die while the other survives.

>

> Does anyone know if this question has been addressed in any classic

> Jyotish texts?

>

> Yours,

> Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

> http://www.vedicast rologer.net

>

> On Aug 5, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Pratik Jain wrote:

>

>> Hi all,

>> I want to raise a question. Why the fortune of twins are not always

>> same, though they might have the same birth time even, and the same

>> planatory positions. I even have saw several times that one of the

>> twins was died some time after.

>>

>> Please have some thoughts at this topic.

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Probably this is where Astrology only has  got something to labour to convey

when time of birth is same between twins:

I would first like to say that though time of birth might be same the time of

conception has also a role for providing clarification in such issues.we can

never be sure about this aspect as it more a scientific issue.

Also we believe that in the cycle of births and deaths,it is only the form that

changes after death and takes birth else where.

For all purposes,these two are different individuals previously and now have

taken a common womb incidentally.

taking the same womb too has some thing to do with mother's karma and even if

one child is lost too it is also attrubuted partially to her karma.

Also few minutes of difference in birth makes lot of difference from the point

of view of progression of the native.

But then birth of twins,might also be explored from 5th house of parents.

No doubt yogas matter as issues of ayurdaya is very much involved

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Mandar B <mandar_bh07 wrote:

 

Mandar B <mandar_bh07

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:55 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Difference may still exist in Time albeit a few minutes.

2. What about the individual yogas in their Parents/elder or younger

sibling's horoscope?

 

These could be possible reasons...Additiona lly

Prayers and Good Deeds or Karma may have a lot to explain...

 

Experts can throw some light

 

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Pratik Jain <pratikkumarjain@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Pratik Jain <pratikkumarjain@ gmail.com>

Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:38 PM

 

Hi all,

I want to raise a question. Why the fortune of twins are not always

same, though they might have the same birth time even, and the same

planatory positions. I even have saw several times that one of the

twins was died some time after.

 

Please have some thoughts at this topic.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Probably this is where Astrology only has  got something to labour to convey

when time of birth is same between twins:

I would first like to say that though time of birth might be same the time of

conception has also a role for providing clarification in such issues.we can

never be sure about this aspect as it more a scientific issue.

Also we believe that in the cycle of births and deaths,it is only the form that

changes after death and takes birth else where.

For all purposes,these two are different individuals previously and now have

taken a common womb incidentally.

taking the same womb too has some thing to do with mother's karma and even if

one child is lost too it is also attrubuted partially to her karma.

Also few minutes of difference in birth makes lot of difference from the point

of view of progression of the native.

But then birth of twins,might also be explored from 5th house of parents.

No doubt yogas matter as issues of ayurdaya is very much involved

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Mandar B <mandar_bh07 wrote:

 

Mandar B <mandar_bh07

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:55 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Difference may still exist in Time albeit a few minutes.

2. What about the individual yogas in their Parents/elder or younger

sibling's horoscope?

 

These could be possible reasons...Additiona lly

Prayers and Good Deeds or Karma may have a lot to explain...

 

Experts can throw some light

 

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Pratik Jain <pratikkumarjain@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Pratik Jain <pratikkumarjain@ gmail.com>

Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:38 PM

 

Hi all,

I want to raise a question. Why the fortune of twins are not always

same, though they might have the same birth time even, and the same

planatory positions. I even have saw several times that one of the

twins was died some time after.

 

Please have some thoughts at this topic.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Probably this is where Astrology only has  got something to labour to convey

when time of birth is same between twins:

I would first like to say that though time of birth might be same the time of

conception has also a role for providing clarification in such issues.we can

never be sure about this aspect as it more a scientific issue.

Also we believe that in the cycle of births and deaths,it is only the form that

changes after death and takes birth else where.

For all purposes,these two are different individuals previously and now have

taken a common womb incidentally.

taking the same womb too has some thing to do with mother's karma and even if

one child is lost too it is also attrubuted partially to her karma.

Also few minutes of difference in birth makes lot of difference from the point

of view of progression of the native.

But then birth of twins,might also be explored from 5th house of parents.

No doubt yogas matter as issues of ayurdaya is very much involved

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Mandar B <mandar_bh07 wrote:

 

Mandar B <mandar_bh07

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:55 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

1. Difference may still exist in Time albeit a few minutes.

2. What about the individual yogas in their Parents/elder or younger

sibling's horoscope?

 

These could be possible reasons...Additiona lly

Prayers and Good Deeds or Karma may have a lot to explain...

 

Experts can throw some light

 

--- On Tue, 8/5/08, Pratik Jain <pratikkumarjain@ gmail.com> wrote:

 

Pratik Jain <pratikkumarjain@ gmail.com>

Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, August 5, 2008, 1:38 PM

 

Hi all,

I want to raise a question. Why the fortune of twins are not always

same, though they might have the same birth time even, and the same

planatory positions. I even have saw several times that one of the

twins was died some time after.

 

Please have some thoughts at this topic.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Rakesh,

 

Please give the date and place of birth (as well as time)...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" R.P " <rdrugist

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, August 06, 2008 2:24 AM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

 

Pranam Vicji,

 

Hi This is Rakesh, Remember I had twins born according to date and time

we decide on july 21st. Male Shiv born on 1.31 PM and Female Soni Born on

1.32Pm.

 

Right now u see lot of difference in both twins. But also their AL,HL,GL

all are different too so of course it will make lot ot difference.

 

Thanks

 

 

RP

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

[Guest guest]

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Shiv (Male)  July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA

Soni (female)  JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM   Houston, TX, USA

 

Thanks

Rakesh 

 

 

RP

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 3:30 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Rakesh,

 

Please give the date and place of birth (as well as time)...

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" R.P " <rdrugist >

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, August 06, 2008 2:24 AM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

Pranam Vicji,

 

Hi This is Rakesh, Remember I had twins born according to date and time

we decide on july 21st. Male Shiv born on 1.31 PM and Female Soni Born on

1.32Pm.

 

Right now u see lot of difference in both twins. But also their AL,HL,GL

all are different too so of course it will make lot ot difference.

 

Thanks

 

RP

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Rakesh,

 

If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to

deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August??

 

Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope...can you give her

details again.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" R.P " <rdrugist

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA

Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA

 

Thanks

Rakesh

 

 

RP

[Guest guest]

> I would first like to say that though time of birth might be same

> the time of conception has also a role for providing clarification

> in such issues.we can never be sure about this aspect as it more a

> scientific issue.

 

Dear VR Krishnan,

 

Yes, but the time of conception for twins is the same, no?

 

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

[Guest guest]

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early morning but

Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of babies.

so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with discussing with

Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm.

 

My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India

MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India.

 

Thanks

 

 

RP

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Rakesh,

 

If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to

deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August??

 

Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her

details again.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" R.P " <rdrugist >

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA

Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA

 

Thanks

Rakesh

 

RP

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Rakesh (Rick, RP),

 

Don't worry, I've located your wife's horoscope. You have used so many

ID's it gets quite confusing :-(

 

I had it filed under Rick (wife) but was looking for Rakesh (wife). I do

wish members would stick to the one ID. It wastes so much time trying to

figure out which ID to look for :-(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, August 07, 2008 12:21 AM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

 

Dear Rakesh,

 

If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to

deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August??

 

Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope...can you give her

details again.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" R.P " <rdrugist

<jyotish-vidya >

Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA

Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA

 

Thanks

Rakesh

 

 

RP

[Guest guest]

I m sorry I will do that.So Just keep as Rick.

 

Rick

 

 

RP

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:54 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Rakesh (Rick, RP),

 

Don't worry, I've located your wife's horoscope. You have used so many

ID's it gets quite confusing :-(

 

I had it filed under Rick (wife) but was looking for Rakesh (wife). I do

wish members would stick to the one ID. It wastes so much time trying to

figure out which ID to look for :-(

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

<jyotish-vidya>

Thursday, August 07, 2008 12:21 AM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

Dear Rakesh,

 

If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to

deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August??

 

Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her

details again.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" R.P " <rdrugist >

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA

Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA

 

Thanks

Rakesh

 

RP

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

I am happy to note that this twin child birth chart has the couple of

combinations that I have identified for twin birth. Based on those combinations

I had predicted possible lagnas for this birth during first week of August. But,

the birth has taken place in July itself, for which I had not made any

predictions.

 

I know that everyone is curious to know what are the combinations that are

applicable to twin charts. I have written an article and have submitted to one

of the on-line astro-magazines. They have told me that they will publish it

soon. Until then I don't think I can disclose the details. You may have to wait

for a few days more.

 

I notice that the lagna/AL etc. for both the twins are same. Do others also

agree with me on this?

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Wed, 6/8/08, R.P <rdrugist wrote:

 

R.P <rdrugist

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, 6 August, 2008, 10:15 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early morning but

Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of babies.

so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with discussing with

Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm.

 

My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India

MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India.

 

Thanks

 

RP

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM

 

Dear Rakesh,

 

If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to

deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August??

 

Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her

details again.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" R.P " <rdrugist >

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA

Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA

 

Thanks

Rakesh

 

RP

 

 

[Guest guest]

Pranam,

 

Yes, Absolutely right, Lagna is Libra and AL is Capricorn for both child.

 

Rick

 

 

RP

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

 

Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:14 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

I am happy to note that this twin child birth chart has the couple of

combinations that I have identified for twin birth. Based on those combinations

I had predicted possible lagnas for this birth during first week of August. But,

the birth has taken place in July itself, for which I had not made any

predictions.

 

I know that everyone is curious to know what are the combinations that are

applicable to twin charts. I have written an article and have submitted to one

of the on-line astro-magazines. They have told me that they will publish it

soon. Until then I don't think I can disclose the details. You may have to wait

for a few days more.

 

I notice that the lagna/AL etc. for both the twins are same. Do others also

agree with me on this?

 

Regards,

Krishna

 

--- On Wed, 6/8/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote:

 

R.P <rdrugist >

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, 6 August, 2008, 10:15 PM

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early morning but

Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of babies.

so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with discussing with

Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm.

 

My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India

MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India.

 

Thanks

 

RP

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM

 

Dear Rakesh,

 

If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to

deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August??

 

Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her

details again.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" R.P " <rdrugist >

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA

Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA

 

Thanks

Rakesh

 

RP

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

I think there's another thing about twins and the scientific validity

of Astrology in that context...

 

Astrology deals with extremely *abstract* symbols or codes of karmic

energy. The houses, the signs, the planets, the nakshatras, they are

all " DNA codes " of extremely abstract aprarabdha karma (unmanifest

destiny). This energy flows like a form of electricity into a person's

life, if the person choses to turn left, the same energy will flow in

a shape that is somewhat different than if a person turns right.

 

I do believe that the utmost experts on Astrology - the likes of

Bhrigu, Parashara, Garga, etc. - can predict with extreme, extreme

accuracy exactly what specific shapes that abstract, unmanifest karmic

energy will take for a specific individual in a specific time, place

and circumstance. But the rest of us are not quite as accurate. Nor do

we have extremely accurate birth times. Therefore we are even more

challenged than the ancients were when it comes to understanding the

exact flow of these abstract energies.

 

The less expert and experienced you are, and the less accurate your

data, the more you need to ask questions to understand the exact flow

of the abstract karmas by way of practical examples and experiences

from the native's life.

 

In the context of twins... two twins born 1 minute apart may have

extremely SIMILAR, almost exactly SIMILAR abstract aprarabdha karma.

For example, both may have the Moon in exactly the same position, etc.

etc. But the Moon in an exact position signifies the APRARABHA energy

- the unmanifest karma, the potential flow of karmic electricity.

Various things may cause the EXACT SAME potential energy to manifest

in very different ways. For example, one twin may become a banker, and

the other a rock star.

 

I identify the integral capacity of the jiva (soul) for free thought

and will as the main cause. Also, young children are extremely

influenced by the karmas of the mother and father - which may

differentiate between identically born twins.

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

[Guest guest]

Dear Wendy Ji ,Krishna and all other firends,

Interestingly, as per the details provided about mother, moon in lagna in

satabhisha of Rahu along with jupiter(lord of 12th and 3rd) and Venus lord of

5th The native's sun is in 11th in the scorpio aspecting 5th in the nakshtra of

Anuradha.

Lord of Putrabhav and putra karak are together with Amatya karak Moon(lord of

7th).There are many combinations that signify for the birth

of twins.Incidentally Sun,lord of 8th in 11th has come under Rahu-Ketu axis.Ketu

in 6th along with saturn(lagna lord) must have given health problems during

progress of pregnancy.

Even scientifically, the palnetary configurations do point to various issues

leading to the birth of twins But the main issue that why these twins ahve

different courses of life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from

horscope of mother.

vrkrishnan

 

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist wrote:

 

R.P <rdrugist

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early morning but

Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of babies.

so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with discussing with

Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm.

 

My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India

MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India.

 

Thanks

 

RP

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM

 

Dear Rakesh,

 

If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to

deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August??

 

Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her

details again.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" R.P " <rdrugist >

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA

Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA

 

Thanks

Rakesh

 

RP

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear vrkrishnan,

 

You write:

 

~~~

 

But the main issue that why these twins ahve different courses of

life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from horscope of

mother.

 

~~~

 

So, to what extent do u propose that an individuals karma cannot me

known without reference to the karma of the mother?

 

- vic

 

 

 

 

> vrkrishnan

>

>

> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist wrote:

>

> R.P <rdrugist

> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

> jyotish-vidya

> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM

Pranam Wendiji,

>

> Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early

> morning but Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of

> babies.

> so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with

> discussing with Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm.

>

> My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India

> MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India.

>

> Thanks

>

> RP

>

> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote:

>

> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

> jyotish-vidya

> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM

>

> Dear Rakesh,

>

> If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to

> deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August??

>

> Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her

> details again.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya .com

> ____________ _________ _________ _______

>

> -

> " R.P " <rdrugist >

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM

> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

>

> Pranam Wendiji,

>

> Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA

> Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA

>

> Thanks

> Rakesh

>

> RP

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pranam Krishnanji,

 

Please varify mother chart.

MOther dob: dec 1st 1973,12:15 pm ,ahmedabad,India

I m getting ASc: Aq    and Su is in 10th house which is lord of 7th.

I m not sure how do u get Sun lord of 8th house?

 

Please clarify !

 

Regards

Rick

 

 

RP

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:09 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Wendy Ji ,Krishna and all other firends,

Interestingly, as per the details provided about mother, moon in lagna in

satabhisha of Rahu along with jupiter(lord of 12th and 3rd) and Venus lord of

5th The native's sun is in 11th in the scorpio aspecting 5th in the nakshtra of

Anuradha.

Lord of Putrabhav and putra karak are together with Amatya karak Moon(lord of

7th).There are many combinations that signify for the birth of twins.Incidentall

y Sun,lord of 8th in 11th has come under Rahu-Ketu axis.Ketu in 6th along with

saturn(lagna lord) must have given health problems during progress of pregnancy.

Even scientifically, the palnetary configurations do point to various issues

leading to the birth of twins But the main issue that why these twins ahve

different courses of life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from

horscope of mother.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote:

 

R.P <rdrugist >

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early morning but

Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of babies.

so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with discussing with

Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm.

 

My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India

MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India.

 

Thanks

 

RP

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM

 

Dear Rakesh,

 

If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to

deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August??

 

Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her

details again.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" R.P " <rdrugist >

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA

Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA

 

Thanks

Rakesh

 

RP

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sir,

Pranam.Ascdt at 29.28 and moon 25.29 in capricorn and sun in 11th from

lagna.This is as per parasharilite.

Jupiter 14.5,venus1.14 in lagna.

I will also be rechecking on JH please

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, R.P <rdrugist wrote:

 

R.P <rdrugist

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:32 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pranam Krishnanji,

 

Please varify mother chart.

MOther dob: dec 1st 1973,12:15 pm ,ahmedabad,India

I m getting ASc: Aq    and Su is in 10th house which is lord of 7th.

I m not sure how do u get Sun lord of 8th house?

 

Please clarify !

 

Regards

Rick

 

RP

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:09 AM

 

Dear Wendy Ji ,Krishna and all other firends,

Interestingly, as per the details provided about mother, moon in lagna in

satabhisha of Rahu along with jupiter(lord of 12th and 3rd) and Venus lord of

5th The native's sun is in 11th in the scorpio aspecting 5th in the nakshtra of

Anuradha.

Lord of Putrabhav and putra karak are together with Amatya karak Moon(lord of

7th).There are many combinations that signify for the birth of twins.Incidentall

y Sun,lord of 8th in 11th has come under Rahu-Ketu axis.Ketu in 6th along with

saturn(lagna lord) must have given health problems during progress of pregnancy.

Even scientifically, the palnetary configurations do point to various issues

leading to the birth of twins But the main issue that why these twins ahve

different courses of life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from

horscope of mother.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote:

 

R.P <rdrugist >

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early morning but

Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of babies.

so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with discussing with

Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm.

 

My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India

MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India.

 

Thanks

 

RP

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM

 

Dear Rakesh,

 

If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to

deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August??

 

Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her

details again.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" R.P " <rdrugist >

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA

Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA

 

Thanks

Rakesh

 

RP

 

 

[Guest guest]

Please becoz I m using JH and Jyotish Tools which both are Lagna Aq 2.32 and Sun

in 10H at 15.26

 

Thanks

 

 

RP

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 wrote:

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:01 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sir,

Pranam.Ascdt at 29.28 and moon 25.29 in capricorn and sun in 11th from

lagna.This is as per parasharilite.

Jupiter 14.5,venus1. 14 in lagna.

I will also be rechecking on JH please

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote:

 

R.P <rdrugist >

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:32 AM

 

Pranam Krishnanji,

 

Please varify mother chart.

MOther dob: dec 1st 1973,12:15 pm ,ahmedabad,India

I m getting ASc: Aq    and Su is in 10th house which is lord of 7th.

I m not sure how do u get Sun lord of 8th house?

 

Please clarify !

 

Regards

Rick

 

RP

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:09 AM

 

Dear Wendy Ji ,Krishna and all other firends,

Interestingly, as per the details provided about mother, moon in lagna in

satabhisha of Rahu along with jupiter(lord of 12th and 3rd) and Venus lord of

5th The native's sun is in 11th in the scorpio aspecting 5th in the nakshtra of

Anuradha.

Lord of Putrabhav and putra karak are together with Amatya karak Moon(lord of

7th).There are many combinations that signify for the birth of twins.Incidentall

y Sun,lord of 8th in 11th has come under Rahu-Ketu axis.Ketu in 6th along with

saturn(lagna lord) must have given health problems during progress of pregnancy.

Even scientifically, the palnetary configurations do point to various issues

leading to the birth of twins But the main issue that why these twins ahve

different courses of life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from

horscope of mother.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote:

 

R.P <rdrugist >

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early morning but

Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of babies.

so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with discussing with

Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm.

 

My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India

MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India.

 

Thanks

 

RP

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM

 

Dear Rakesh,

 

If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to

deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August??

 

Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her

details again.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" R.P " <rdrugist >

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA

Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA

 

Thanks

Rakesh

 

RP

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Rick,

Certainly I would like to and get back to you further.In both case may be we

think to consider bhavamadhya and find.Planets around 15+deg certainly have an

edge over planets above 27+ and less than 5 deg.

In this case results with aquarius may also be considered for analysis please

Thanx

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, R.P <rdrugist wrote:

 

R.P <rdrugist

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:10 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Please becoz I m using JH and Jyotish Tools which both are Lagna Aq 2.32 and Sun

in 10H at 15.26

 

Thanks

 

RP

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 7, 2008, 11:01 AM

 

Sir,

Pranam.Ascdt at 29.28 and moon 25.29 in capricorn and sun in 11th from

lagna.This is as per parasharilite.

Jupiter 14.5,venus1. 14 in lagna.

I will also be rechecking on JH please

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote:

 

R.P <rdrugist >

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:32 AM

 

Pranam Krishnanji,

 

Please varify mother chart.

MOther dob: dec 1st 1973,12:15 pm ,ahmedabad,India

I m getting ASc: Aq    and Su is in 10th house which is lord of 7th.

I m not sure how do u get Sun lord of 8th house?

 

Please clarify !

 

Regards

Rick

 

RP

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, vattem krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote:

 

vattem krishnan <bursar_99 >

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:09 AM

 

Dear Wendy Ji ,Krishna and all other firends,

Interestingly, as per the details provided about mother, moon in lagna in

satabhisha of Rahu along with jupiter(lord of 12th and 3rd) and Venus lord of

5th The native's sun is in 11th in the scorpio aspecting 5th in the nakshtra of

Anuradha.

Lord of Putrabhav and putra karak are together with Amatya karak Moon(lord of

7th).There are many combinations that signify for the birth of twins.Incidentall

y Sun,lord of 8th in 11th has come under Rahu-Ketu axis.Ketu in 6th along with

saturn(lagna lord) must have given health problems during progress of pregnancy.

Even scientifically, the palnetary configurations do point to various issues

leading to the birth of twins But the main issue that why these twins ahve

different courses of life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from

horscope of mother.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote:

 

R.P <rdrugist >

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early morning but

Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of babies.

so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with discussing with

Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm.

 

My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India

MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India.

 

Thanks

 

RP

 

--- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote:

 

Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM

 

Dear Rakesh,

 

If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to

deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August??

 

Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her

details again.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya .com

____________ _________ _________ _______

 

-

" R.P " <rdrugist >

<jyotish-vidya>

Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

 

Pranam Wendiji,

 

Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA

Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA

 

Thanks

Rakesh

 

RP

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Vic,

Some how on this point Iam bit feable as from the beginning i try to avoid deep

study of an infants chart till he attains say around 12th.

I also some times has conviction feel it is mother's karmas in that stage

affects child and sufferings occur.

May be Iam wrong but open to correction as iam also not very convinced as past

karmas of native could also be arrived by closer analysis.

regards

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

 

Vic D <vicdicara

Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

" Jyotish Vidya " <jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, August 7, 2008, 10:14 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear vrkrishnan,

 

You write:

 

~~~

 

But the main issue that why these twins ahve different courses of

life(born at same time) would need to be figured out from horscope of

mother.

 

~~~

 

So, to what extent do u propose that an individuals karma cannot me

known without reference to the karma of the mother?

 

- vic

 

> vrkrishnan

>

>

> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, R.P <rdrugist > wrote:

>

> R.P <rdrugist >

> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

> jyotish-vidya

> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 12:45 PM

Pranam Wendiji,

>

> Yes U are correct, Originally we came up on 08/08/08 in the early

> morning but Dr. donot want to wait that long bcoz of health issue of

> babies.

> so with Health issue and best possible chart which I came with

> discussing with Vicji on July 21st around 1.30pm.

>

> My wife dob: December 1st 1973 at 12.15pm ,ahmedabad,India

> MY dob: March 6th 1972, 8.05AM , ahmedabad India.

>

> Thanks

>

> RP

>

> --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com> wrote:

>

> Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@ bigpond.com>

> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

> jyotish-vidya

> Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:21 AM

>

> Dear Rakesh,

>

> If I remember correctly you had advised us that the doctor planned to

> deliver your twins by c-section during the 1st week of August??

>

> Also I can't seem to locate your wife's horoscope... can you give her

> details again.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> http://JyotishVidya .com

> ____________ _________ _________ _______

>

> -

> " R.P " <rdrugist >

> <jyotish-vidya>

> Wednesday, August 06, 2008 10:58 PM

> Re: Fortune of twins should be the same?

>

> Pranam Wendiji,

>

> Shiv (Male) July 21st,2008 at 1.31PM , Houston, Texas, USA

> Soni (female) JUly 21st 2008, 1.32PM Houston, TX, USA

>

> Thanks

> Rakesh

>

> RP

>

>