lagna n 7th house connection

[Guest guest]

dear manasa,

pls forgive me for sending the reply in so many breaks.actually,i was side by

side co-analysing each of ur predictions in the horoscope of the girl.it wud be

so kind of u to kindly comment on the following too.

//moon being 8th frm jupiter gives such ups and downs// ?

u mean emotions?

 

//Going to

the family temple (which should be a Rama temple ) and praying there

would ease the task for its the 9th house that is afflicted. In

navamsa, jupiter is in its own house. So definitely she will be blessed.//

 

as i ve jst mentioned in the previous mail to u,she is all the time interested

in spirituality and religion.but these days,she dont even afford to do that due

to the mental turmoil and the husband being non-supportive.

sir,one more query,how cud u pinpoint it to be a RAMA temple?how do we predict

the diety to be worshiped for a particular horo?

 

pooja

 

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth wrote:

 

m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth

Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 12:45 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear pooja,

 

In my view the disagreements are due to exalted venus in the chart

that is combust. As you will be knowing venus is the karaka for

spouse.Sun has taken the qualities of venus and is quite strong in the

chart. So there is an element of ego in all the verbal fights she is in.

 

7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in. Saturn being the lord of 7 & 8, says that her

spouse and his family follows traditional customs quite strictly. Is

it true if I say that she is a person with modern outlook? Her family

upbringing had been like that ( note that sun is the ruler of 2nd

house which says abt her extended family). This is another reason why

she is in dispute.

 

Mental agony has to be seen both from the 4th house and moon.4th lord

is venus that is combust so she cannot freely express her emotions and

moon is in 8th house from jupiter giving ups and downs.

 

What could be done about this? I find that guru is in parivarthana

with venus and she was blessed with love of her life via marriage in

sun/jupiter period. So it's jupiter's approach that would help in

finding the solution- which is wisdom,philosophy and optimism.

Unconditional love would bless her with a happy married life. Going to

the family temple (which should be a Rama temple ) and praying there

would ease the task for its the 9th house that is afflicted. In

navamsa, jupiter is in its own house. So definitely she will be blessed.

 

Regards,

Manasa.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear babu,

" gadbad with younger co-borns " because of this combination?i really dont think

so.

kindly elaborate ur logic behind it.

 

pooja

 

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Narendra <naren.dra wrote:

 

Narendra <naren.dra

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:18 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in.

 

I am following this argument with keen interest and I feel the above is correct.

 

The point is the SATURN's mooltrikona rashi is in the 8th house and therefore he

becomes absolute malefic and causes 'garbad' with the younger co borns of the

native, husband's family and even her status as a married woman is in trouble.

 

But correct me, I am leraner.

 

Regards.

 

Babu.

 

pooja Sharma

Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:10 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

dera manasa,

// 7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in.//

does it also not mean that the person loves her spouse more than herself or

anything.or does it mean that the person is so self sufficient that she doesnt

need any 7th house company.(as wherever the house lord goes,it take its

signifance to that house).

kindly comment on this too

 

pooja

sir,i still feel as if the main culprit is the 7th lord in lagna and that too

retro.

 

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

 

m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth (AT) (DOT) ca>

Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 12:45 PM

 

Dear pooja,

 

In my view the disagreements are due to exalted venus in the chart

that is combust. As you will be knowing venus is the karaka for

spouse.Sun has taken the qualities of venus and is quite strong in the

chart. So there is an element of ego in all the verbal fights she is in.

 

7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in. Saturn being the lord of 7 & 8, says that her

spouse and his family follows traditional customs quite strictly. Is

it true if I say that she is a person with modern outlook? Her family

upbringing had been like that ( note that sun is the ruler of 2nd

house which says abt her extended family). This is another reason why

she is in dispute.

 

Mental agony has to be seen both from the 4th house and moon.4th lord

is venus that is combust so she cannot freely express her emotions and

moon is in 8th house from jupiter giving ups and downs.

 

What could be done about this? I find that guru is in parivarthana

with venus and she was blessed with love of her life via marriage in

sun/jupiter period. So it's jupiter's approach that would help in

finding the solution- which is wisdom,philosophy and optimism.

Unconditional love would bless her with a happy married life. Going to

the family temple (which should be a Rama temple ) and praying there

would ease the task for its the 9th house that is afflicted. In

navamsa, jupiter is in its own house. So definitely she will be blessed.

 

Regards,

Manasa.

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear manasa,

//she does indulge in all those irrelevent gossips //

kindly read it as //she DOESNT indulge in all those irrelevent gossips which the

other ladies of the family are all the time doing.//

thnx

pooja

 

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, pooja Sharma <poojasharma9 wrote:

 

pooja Sharma <poojasharma9

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 8:27 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear manasa,

       im truly impressed by your analysis.yes, the family has a traditional

bent of mind.but her husband is against such rigid customs n thoughts.her

in-laws boycotted her as she does indulge in all those irrelevent gossips though

she performs the customs of the family.

                manasa,i wud like to detail u more abt her relation with her

hubby.she is highly spititual,wanted to remain unmarried but the guy came  in

her life and promised to combine her spiritual goals with him.all was fine until

they got married.they used to visit religious places on datings.she felt as if

she had found a soulmate with whom she wud reach the ultimate goal of

lifei.e.GOD.

            and marriage changed everything.and u know what,whenever she

discusses GOD or something like that ,the boy is least interested now.80% of the

time,they are arguing over the behaviour of the boy's one family member or the

other.

          now comes the astrology part.yes venus is combust,but wudn't it be

giving any of its exaltation effect?if the main problem is to bring marital

harmony ,then why not we concentrate on 7th lord retro saturn also.how to make

saturn nullify the ill effects?

 

and about her emotions,i agree it is again 4th lord venus combustion and moon in

kemdrum in 6th house.but such combinations are there in many horoscopes and they

do not necessarily contribute to marital discords.

 

manasa,u mean to say,the lagna and 7th house connection is not the reason for

their discord?im still confused.kindly help.

 

pooja

 

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

 

m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth (AT) (DOT) ca>

Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 12:45 PM

 

Dear pooja,

 

In my view the disagreements are due to exalted venus in the chart

that is combust. As you will be knowing venus is the karaka for

spouse.Sun has taken the qualities of venus and is quite strong in the

chart. So there is an element of ego in all the verbal fights she is in.

 

7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in. Saturn being the lord of 7 & 8, says that her

spouse and his family follows traditional customs quite strictly. Is

it true if I say that she is a person with modern outlook? Her family

upbringing had been like that ( note that sun is the ruler of 2nd

house which says abt her extended family). This is another reason why

she is in dispute.

 

Mental agony has to be seen both from the 4th house and moon.4th lord

is venus that is combust so she cannot freely express her emotions and

moon is in 8th house from jupiter giving ups and downs.

 

What could be done about this? I find that guru is in parivarthana

with venus and she was blessed with love of her life via marriage in

sun/jupiter period. So it's jupiter's approach that would help in

finding the solution- which is wisdom,philosophy and optimism.

Unconditional love would bless her with a happy married life. Going to

the family temple (which should be a Rama temple ) and praying there

would ease the task for its the 9th house that is afflicted. In

navamsa, jupiter is in its own house. So definitely she will be blessed.

 

Regards,

Manasa.

 

 

[Guest guest]

The third lord Mercury is widely associated with Ketu in the 10th house and

both aspected by the SATURN from the from the lagna.

 

And in the NAVAMANSA chart, the third house has MARS and KETU. So I believe she

has no younger co borns or if she has the relations are cool.

 

pooja Sharma

Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:41 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

 

dear babu,

" gadbad with younger co-borns " because of this combination?i really dont think

so.

kindly elaborate ur logic behind it.

 

pooja

 

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Narendra <naren.dra wrote:

 

Narendra <naren.dra

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:18 AM

 

7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in.

 

I am following this argument with keen interest and I feel the above is correct.

 

The point is the SATURN's mooltrikona rashi is in the 8th house and therefore he

becomes absolute malefic and causes 'garbad' with the younger co borns of the

native, husband's family and even her status as a married woman is in trouble.

 

But correct me, I am leraner.

 

Regards.

 

Babu.

 

pooja Sharma

Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:10 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

dera manasa,

// 7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in.//

does it also not mean that the person loves her spouse more than herself or

anything.or does it mean that the person is so self sufficient that she doesnt

need any 7th house company.(as wherever the house lord goes,it take its

signifance to that house).

kindly comment on this too

 

pooja

sir,i still feel as if the main culprit is the 7th lord in lagna and that too

retro.

 

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

 

m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth (AT) (DOT) ca>

Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 12:45 PM

 

Dear pooja,

 

In my view the disagreements are due to exalted venus in the chart

that is combust. As you will be knowing venus is the karaka for

spouse.Sun has taken the qualities of venus and is quite strong in the

chart. So there is an element of ego in all the verbal fights she is in.

 

7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in. Saturn being the lord of 7 & 8, says that her

spouse and his family follows traditional customs quite strictly. Is

it true if I say that she is a person with modern outlook? Her family

upbringing had been like that ( note that sun is the ruler of 2nd

house which says abt her extended family). This is another reason why

she is in dispute.

 

Mental agony has to be seen both from the 4th house and moon.4th lord

is venus that is combust so she cannot freely express her emotions and

moon is in 8th house from jupiter giving ups and downs.

 

What could be done about this? I find that guru is in parivarthana

with venus and she was blessed with love of her life via marriage in

sun/jupiter period. So it's jupiter's approach that would help in

finding the solution- which is wisdom,philosophy and optimism.

Unconditional love would bless her with a happy married life. Going to

the family temple (which should be a Rama temple ) and praying there

would ease the task for its the 9th house that is afflicted. In

navamsa, jupiter is in its own house. So definitely she will be blessed.

 

Regards,

Manasa.

 

 

[Guest guest]

And MARS from the 8th house aspects the third house. Accident?

 

 

Narendra

Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:50 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

 

The third lord Mercury is widely associated with Ketu in the 10th house and

both aspected by the SATURN from the from the lagna.

 

And in the NAVAMANSA chart, the third house has MARS and KETU. So I believe she

has no younger co borns or if she has the relations are cool.

 

pooja Sharma

Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:41 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

 

dear babu,

" gadbad with younger co-borns " because of this combination?i really dont think

so.

kindly elaborate ur logic behind it.

 

pooja

 

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Narendra <naren.dra wrote:

 

Narendra <naren.dra

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:18 AM

 

7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in.

 

I am following this argument with keen interest and I feel the above is correct.

 

The point is the SATURN's mooltrikona rashi is in the 8th house and therefore he

becomes absolute malefic and causes 'garbad' with the younger co borns of the

native, husband's family and even her status as a married woman is in trouble.

 

But correct me, I am leraner.

 

Regards.

 

Babu.

 

pooja Sharma

Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:10 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

dera manasa,

// 7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in.//

does it also not mean that the person loves her spouse more than herself or

anything.or does it mean that the person is so self sufficient that she doesnt

need any 7th house company.(as wherever the house lord goes,it take its

signifance to that house).

kindly comment on this too

 

pooja

sir,i still feel as if the main culprit is the 7th lord in lagna and that too

retro.

 

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

 

m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth (AT) (DOT) ca>

Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 12:45 PM

 

Dear pooja,

 

In my view the disagreements are due to exalted venus in the chart

that is combust. As you will be knowing venus is the karaka for

spouse.Sun has taken the qualities of venus and is quite strong in the

chart. So there is an element of ego in all the verbal fights she is in.

 

7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in. Saturn being the lord of 7 & 8, says that her

spouse and his family follows traditional customs quite strictly. Is

it true if I say that she is a person with modern outlook? Her family

upbringing had been like that ( note that sun is the ruler of 2nd

house which says abt her extended family). This is another reason why

she is in dispute.

 

Mental agony has to be seen both from the 4th house and moon.4th lord

is venus that is combust so she cannot freely express her emotions and

moon is in 8th house from jupiter giving ups and downs.

 

What could be done about this? I find that guru is in parivarthana

with venus and she was blessed with love of her life via marriage in

sun/jupiter period. So it's jupiter's approach that would help in

finding the solution- which is wisdom,philosophy and optimism.

Unconditional love would bless her with a happy married life. Going to

the family temple (which should be a Rama temple ) and praying there

would ease the task for its the 9th house that is afflicted. In

navamsa, jupiter is in its own house. So definitely she will be blessed.

 

Regards,

Manasa.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Pooja,

 

The following is an excerpt from a previous mail written by Mrs.

Wendy. Hope this will help to clear your doubts. She wrote:

 

" I can't stress strongly enough the importance of bhava karaka when

assessing the results due a particular bhava. For instance if both

bhava lord and bhava karaka are badly afflicted we can expect negative

results for that bhava. If, on the other hand, bhava karaka is

enjoying exaltation it can uplift the significations of the bhava even

though its lord may suffer affliction. Of course the same is true in

reverse...if bhava karaka is badly afflicted it can diminish the

results even though bhava lord may be strong. "

 

So now don't you think we should give more importance to karaka. Here

the karaka is exalted but it is retrograde and combust. Sun being the

natural atmakaraka, the native is continually analysing how she could

solve the dilemma. But what is happening is that her own ego,

anger,opinions is worsening the issue. Retrograde Saturn is not

helpful too. The plus point is that jupiter is in parivarthana with

venus. So just as I wrote earlier she has to find unconditional love

and that itself is finding god.Finding god is about learning to gain

control over your senses and leading a life of example. Based on her

chart, I could say the only block to her spiritual progress is those

issues I relate to sun. Learning to tame that is no easy task for her

but she will find help by propitating jupiter which in the real

context is wisdom.

 

Regards,

Manasa.

 

 

jyotish-vidya , pooja Sharma <poojasharma9

wrote:

>

> dear manasa,

> //she does indulge in all those irrelevent gossips //

> kindly read it as //she DOESNT indulge in all those irrelevent

gossips which the other ladies of the family are all the time doing.//

> thnx

> pooja

>

> --- On Wed, 7/16/08, pooja Sharma <poojasharma9 wrote:

>

> pooja Sharma <poojasharma9

> Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

> jyotish-vidya

> Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 8:27 AM

dear manasa,

>        im truly impressed by your analysis.yes, the family has a

traditional bent of mind.but her husband is against such rigid customs

n thoughts.her in-laws boycotted her as she does indulge in all those

irrelevent gossips though she performs the customs of the family.

>                 manasa,i wud like to detail u more abt her relation

with her hubby.she is highly spititual,wanted to remain unmarried but

the guy came  in her life and promised to combine her spiritual goals

with him.all was fine until they got married.they used to visit

religious places on datings.she felt as if she had found a soulmate

with whom she wud reach the ultimate goal of lifei.e.GOD.

>             and marriage changed everything.and u know what,whenever

she discusses GOD or something like that ,the boy is least interested

now.80% of the time,they are arguing over the behaviour of the boy's

one family member or the other.

>           now comes the astrology part.yes venus is combust,but

wudn't it be giving any of its exaltation effect?if the main problem

is to bring marital harmony ,then why not we concentrate on 7th lord

retro saturn also.how to make saturn nullify the ill effects?

>  

> and about her emotions,i agree it is again 4th lord venus combustion

and moon in kemdrum in 6th house.but such combinations are there in

many horoscopes and they do not necessarily contribute to marital

discords.

>  

> manasa,u mean to say,the lagna and 7th house connection is not the

reason for their discord?im still confused.kindly help.

>  

> pooja

>

> --- On Tue, 7/15/08, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth (AT) (DOT) ca> wrote:

>

> m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth (AT) (DOT) ca>

> Re: lagna n 7th house connection

> jyotish-vidya

> Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 12:45 PM

>

> Dear pooja,

>

> In my view the disagreements are due to exalted venus in the chart

> that is combust. As you will be knowing venus is the karaka for

> spouse.Sun has taken the qualities of venus and is quite strong in the

> chart. So there is an element of ego in all the verbal fights she is

in.

>

> 7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

> partnership she is in. Saturn being the lord of 7 & 8, says that her

> spouse and his family follows traditional customs quite strictly. Is

> it true if I say that she is a person with modern outlook? Her family

> upbringing had been like that ( note that sun is the ruler of 2nd

> house which says abt her extended family). This is another reason why

> she is in dispute.

>

> Mental agony has to be seen both from the 4th house and moon.4th lord

> is venus that is combust so she cannot freely express her emotions and

> moon is in 8th house from jupiter giving ups and downs.

>

> What could be done about this? I find that guru is in parivarthana

> with venus and she was blessed with love of her life via marriage in

> sun/jupiter period. So it's jupiter's approach that would help in

> finding the solution- which is wisdom,philosophy and optimism.

> Unconditional love would bless her with a happy married life. Going to

> the family temple (which should be a Rama temple ) and praying there

> would ease the task for its the 9th house that is afflicted. In

> navamsa, jupiter is in its own house. So definitely she will be blessed.

>

> Regards,

> Manasa.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear pooja,

 

You wrote:

//moon being 8th frm jupiter gives such ups and downs// ?u mean emotions?

Yes I meant that only. You should refer shakata yoga to understand

that better.

 

//how cud u pinpoint it to be a RAMA temple? how do we predict the

diety to be worshiped for a particular horo?//

 

9th lord is Jupiter which signifies lord vishnu. Sun being strong in

the house I suggested that it is a Rama temple. In one forum I have

read that Sun signifies Rama and Moon signifies Krishna for those who

worship Vishnu. More over all rama temple has sitadevi too. Here sun

(male) & Venus (female)in 9th house, which means a god and goddess is

worshipped by the family.

 

Regards,

Manasa.

 

jyotish-vidya , pooja Sharma <poojasharma9

wrote:

>

> //moon being 8th frm jupiter gives such ups and downs// ?u mean

emotions?

>  

> //Going to

> the family temple (which should be a Rama temple ) and praying there

> would ease the task for its the 9th house that is afflicted. In

> navamsa, jupiter is in its own house. So definitely she will be

blessed.//

>  

> as i ve jst mentioned in the previous mail to u,she is all the time

interested in spirituality and religion.but these days,she dont even

afford to do that due to the mental turmoil and the husband being

non-supportive.

> sir,one more query,how cud u pinpoint it to be a RAMA temple?how do

we predict the diety to be worshiped for a particular horo?

>  

> pooja

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Pooja,

 

On Jul 16, 2008, at 1:27 AM, pooja Sharma wrote:

 

> dear manasa,

> im truly impressed by your analysis.

 

I also was impressed and found it to be excellent.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

[Guest guest]

Dear Pooja,

 

> manasa,u mean to say,the lagna and 7th house connection is not the

> reason for their discord?im still confused.kindly help.

 

Reason it through. Common sense is more important than anything

" fancy " or " advanced. " The lord of the 1st in the 7th simply means

that the Self (1st) is highly interrelated with Others (7th), headed

by the spouse.

 

The opposite sign from one's own sign is a place of relative weakness.

Not debilitation, but weakness to some extent. So generally a opposite

lordships may carry some weakness (1st in the 7th, 2nd in the 8th).

But at the same time, the planet in it's opposite sign casts an aspect

on it's own sign which is stronger than usual. Thus what happens when

the lord of the 1st is in the 7th is somewhat weakening in regards to

marriage and other social partnerships, but quite strengthening in

regards to self and self-confidence.

 

Beyond this, we have to look at

 

- The lord of the 7th House. This is more important than usual because

in this case the lord of the 7th is also the dispositor of the

Ascendant Lord.

 

- The nakshatra of the Ascendant Lord, and the relative house of the

Nakshatra ruler from the ascendant lord.

 

As you indicated elsewhere, in the example you specifically brought

up, the Lord of the 7th was Saturn, who was retrograde. This shows

that the balance of effect of the Lord of the 1st being in the 7th is

tipping towards a negative direction.

 

Do you follow my line of thought and reasoning?

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

[Guest guest]

Dear Babu

 

On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:18 AM, Narendra wrote:

 

> 7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

> partnership she is in.

>

>

> I am following this argument with keen interest and I feel the above

> is correct.

>

> The point is the SATURN's mooltrikona rashi is in the 8th house and

> therefore he becomes absolute malefic and causes 'garbad' with the

> younger co borns of the native, husband's family and even her status

> as a married woman is in trouble.

>

> But correct me, I am leraner.

 

IMO, this was an EXCELLENT assesment.

 

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

[Guest guest]

Dear Pooja,

 

On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:29 AM, pooja Sharma wrote:

 

> //moon being 8th frm jupiter gives such ups and downs// ?u mean

> emotions?

 

It is called Shakata Yoga - I have found it to be quite reliable and

accurate, especially when it is the 8th House (can also be formed with

6th and 12th). It means that life has constant ups and downs.

Financially, emotionally, careerwise, everything. I am a living,

breathing illustration of Shakata Yoga. (27 July 1970 19:38 in Bay

Shore, NY)

 

> sir,one more query,how cud u pinpoint it to be a RAMA temple?how do

> we predict the diety to be worshiped for a particular horo?

 

It is possible because planets are associated with deities. Not sure

about Rama. But Mercury is Vishnu, Jupiter is Krishna, Saturn is

Shiva. Those are the main three in my opinion.

 

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

[Guest guest]

Dear Manasa!

 

Once again, a fascinating post from you...

 

>

> You wrote:

> //moon being 8th frm jupiter gives such ups and downs// ?u mean

> emotions?

> Yes I meant that only. You should refer shakata yoga to understand

> that better.

 

I think Shakata yoga affects life overall, but don't rely much on

yogas, and would like you to inform me more about your reasoning that

it only affects emotions. Yes, I see that it involves the moon (inner

life) but also involves Jupiter (overall luck).

 

> 9th lord is Jupiter which signifies lord vishnu. Sun being strong in

> the house I suggested that it is a Rama temple. In one forum I have

> read that Sun signifies Rama and Moon signifies Krishna for those who

> worship Vishnu. More over all rama temple has sitadevi too. Here sun

> (male) & Venus (female)in 9th house, which means a god and goddess is

> worshipped by the family.

 

This is wonderful. However... I do believe it is Mercury who is more

associated with Vishnu. Nonetheless your interpretation is still good

in result. Jupiter signifies a Benefic and Blissful Godhead (Krishna,

Rama, etc., but Krishna especially) but with Sun in the 9th I agree

that Rama is first indicated, Krishna second.

 

Let's not forget that a horoscope indicates extremely abstract karmic

energies which manifest in extremely specific ways according to time,

place, and circumstance. So in the international world, I see Mercury

representing a traditional understanding of God. Much like a Christian

concept of God. Vishnu is quite a traditional form of Godhead as the

maintainer of the Universe.

 

Jupiter is supposed to indicate a very bountiful and pleasant energy.

It indicates forms of Godhead which are more blissful and bountiful

than Vishnu. Sri Krishna is the archetype of such Godhead.

 

Saturn is more ascetic and harsh, therefore he indicates Godhead in a

terrible and drastic form - Lord Shiva: God of Destruction and lord of

Tyagi's and renunciates.

 

Now, about the Sun and Moon pertaining to Rama and Krishna. Rama's

Kshatriya Vamsh (Royal lineage) is from Vivashvan / Surya. He is in

Surya Vamsha (the Sun's dynasty). Krishna's " kshatriya " vamsha (royal

lineage) is from Chandra, the Chandra Vamsha (moon dynasty). On that

basis perhaps, astrologers may associate the moon with Krishna and the

Sun with Rama when fine tuning an interpretation in regards to a

Jupiter type Godhead.

 

Venus in the 9th House is simply DIVINE. It is my favorite house

placement for Venus!

 

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu - the proponent of Krishna Prema in the Mood

of Srimati Radharani, had this placement. It indicates a Radha / Laxmi

based sense of divine love. Note also that the 9th house is not just

" religion " . The 5th 7th and 9th houses are all related to LOVE. The

5th is the beginning, the 7th is the middle, and the 9th is the

culmination of love. 5th is therefore associated with lust & love

affairs (the impetus for *children*, see B.Gita, " kaamo'smi " ). The 7th

is therefore associated with a partnership oriented love: marriage.

The 9th is the culmination of love, the highest type of love: divine

love or " prema-bhakti " . Note also that the 5th is leo/sun

(animalistic), the 7th is libra/venus (partnership oriented and

benefic), and the 9th is sagittarius/jupiter (aiming to the zenith or

topmost philosophical love of Godhead). Venus in the 9th is wonderful

for Prema Bhakti.

 

However, in this case, Malefic sun may interfere. Sun is authoriy and

father figures and men in general. Depending on how close (by degree)

the sun is to Venus, this would be more or less noticeable.

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thank you for the compliment, Vic.

 

Please have a look at this chart again.

 

 

The JUPITER, as a lord of the 6th house also becomes a malefic, due to its

mooltrikona, Sagittarius rashi there. So it would cast a malefic aspect on the

7th house(husband), 3rd house (younger co born) and the fifth house( love,

romance, progeny)

 

Apart from that the 5th lord MARS is in the 8th house, unfulfilled desires, out

of control and this hasty step to get married, on her own initiative.

 

And according to the Hindu tradition the marriage of a woman is considered as a

new birth (of a woman) and for that the JUPITER must be good and strong. In

here, I can not say the same of JUPITER.

 

What the lady in question has to do is the GURU (JUPITER) pooja to pacify the

'gods'. Otherwise its all 'rolla golla' (problems)

 

Please correct me.

 

Regards.

 

Babu.

 

 

Vic D

Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:01 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

 

Dear Babu

 

On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:18 AM, Narendra wrote:

 

> 7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

> partnership she is in.

>

>

> I am following this argument with keen interest and I feel the above

> is correct.

>

> The point is the SATURN's mooltrikona rashi is in the 8th house and

> therefore he becomes absolute malefic and causes 'garbad' with the

> younger co borns of the native, husband's family and even her status

> as a married woman is in trouble.

>

> But correct me, I am leraner.

 

IMO, this was an EXCELLENT assesment.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Babu,

 

> The JUPITER, as a lord of the 6th house also becomes a malefic, due

> to its mooltrikona, Sagittarius rashi there. So it would cast a

> malefic aspect on the 7th house(husband), 3rd house (younger co

> born) and the fifth house( love, romance, progeny)

 

Jupiter is ALWAYS a benefic. Jupiter is always Jupiter. Your guru

might be associated with sickness and ill health and have lots of

enemies, but would he ever actually try to get you infected or harmed

by his enemies? No! Jupiter as a " functional malefic " is over-

emphasized when we forget that the planets are PEOPLE.

 

Jupiter's lordship of the sixth will bring some illness and obstacle

to the 7th House and to his aspects, no doubt. But Jupiter never

ceases to be a beneficial personality who tries his best to bless

everything he comes into contact with.

 

 

> Apart from that the 5th lord MARS is in the 8th house, unfulfilled

> desires, out of control and this hasty step to get married, on her

> own initiative.

 

I'm not familiar with the native or the chart. I am just responding to

your points. I like your description of Lord of the 5th Mars in the

8th House.

 

> And according to the Hindu tradition the marriage of a woman is

> considered as a new birth (of a woman) and for that the JUPITER

> must be good and strong. In here, I can not say the same of JUPITER.

 

Very interesting connection of Jupiter to marriage. Thank you.

 

> Please correct me.

 

No need! =)

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Vic,

 

Thanks so much for the appreciation and thx for sharing your

knowledge. I got that point on shakata yoga in one of the articles

written by Mr.Chakrapani Ullal. On a deeper thinking, I feel that

strength of both karakas (4th and 9th)and the houses involved

determines on which plane the person finds misfortune.

 

Regards,

Manasa.

 

 

> Dear Manasa!

>

> Once again, a fascinating post from you...

>

> >

> > You wrote:

> > //moon being 8th frm jupiter gives such ups and downs// ?u mean

> > emotions?

> > Yes I meant that only. You should refer shakata yoga to understand

> > that better.

>

> I think Shakata yoga affects life overall, but don't rely much on

> yogas, and would like you to inform me more about your reasoning that

> it only affects emotions. Yes, I see that it involves the moon (inner

> life) but also involves Jupiter (overall luck).

>

> > 9th lord is Jupiter which signifies lord vishnu. Sun being strong in

> > the house I suggested that it is a Rama temple. In one forum I have

> > read that Sun signifies Rama and Moon signifies Krishna for those who

> > worship Vishnu. More over all rama temple has sitadevi too. Here sun

> > (male) & Venus (female)in 9th house, which means a god and goddess is

> > worshipped by the family.

>

> This is wonderful. However... I do believe it is Mercury who is more

> associated with Vishnu. Nonetheless your interpretation is still good

> in result. Jupiter signifies a Benefic and Blissful Godhead (Krishna,

> Rama, etc., but Krishna especially) but with Sun in the 9th I agree

> that Rama is first indicated, Krishna second.

>

> Let's not forget that a horoscope indicates extremely abstract karmic

> energies which manifest in extremely specific ways according to time,

> place, and circumstance. So in the international world, I see Mercury

> representing a traditional understanding of God. Much like a Christian

> concept of God. Vishnu is quite a traditional form of Godhead as the

> maintainer of the Universe.

>

> Jupiter is supposed to indicate a very bountiful and pleasant energy.

> It indicates forms of Godhead which are more blissful and bountiful

> than Vishnu. Sri Krishna is the archetype of such Godhead.

>

> Saturn is more ascetic and harsh, therefore he indicates Godhead in a

> terrible and drastic form - Lord Shiva: God of Destruction and lord of

> Tyagi's and renunciates.

>

> Now, about the Sun and Moon pertaining to Rama and Krishna. Rama's

> Kshatriya Vamsh (Royal lineage) is from Vivashvan / Surya. He is in

> Surya Vamsha (the Sun's dynasty). Krishna's " kshatriya " vamsha (royal

> lineage) is from Chandra, the Chandra Vamsha (moon dynasty). On that

> basis perhaps, astrologers may associate the moon with Krishna and the

> Sun with Rama when fine tuning an interpretation in regards to a

> Jupiter type Godhead.

>

> Venus in the 9th House is simply DIVINE. It is my favorite house

> placement for Venus!

>

> Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu - the proponent of Krishna Prema in the Mood

> of Srimati Radharani, had this placement. It indicates a Radha / Laxmi

> based sense of divine love. Note also that the 9th house is not just

> " religion " . The 5th 7th and 9th houses are all related to LOVE. The

> 5th is the beginning, the 7th is the middle, and the 9th is the

> culmination of love. 5th is therefore associated with lust & love

> affairs (the impetus for *children*, see B.Gita, " kaamo'smi " ). The 7th

> is therefore associated with a partnership oriented love: marriage.

> The 9th is the culmination of love, the highest type of love: divine

> love or " prema-bhakti " . Note also that the 5th is leo/sun

> (animalistic), the 7th is libra/venus (partnership oriented and

> benefic), and the 9th is sagittarius/jupiter (aiming to the zenith or

> topmost philosophical love of Godhead). Venus in the 9th is wonderful

> for Prema Bhakti.

>

> However, in this case, Malefic sun may interfere. Sun is authoriy and

> father figures and men in general. Depending on how close (by degree)

> the sun is to Venus, this would be more or less noticeable.

>

>

> Yours,

> Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

> http://www.vedicastrologer.net

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vic Prabhu,

 

//It is possible because planets are associated with deities. Not sure

about Rama. But Mercury is Vishnu, Jupiter is Krishna, Saturn is

Shiva. Those are the main three in my opinion//

 

From BPHS

 

From Sun came the incarnation of Rama, from Moon that of Krishna, from Mars

that of Narasimha, from Mercury that of Buddha, from Jupiter that of Vamana,

from Venus that of Parashurama, from Saturn that of Kurma (Tortoise), from

Rahu that of Varaha (Pig) and from Ketu that of Pisces (Fish) occurred.

Incarnations other than these also are through the Planets. The beings with

more Paramatmâñú are called divine beings.

 

Not sure about Budha associated with Buddha as there are some schools of

Hinduism that dismisses Buddha as an avatar of Vishnu. Also which planet would

be associate with Kalki who is yet to come is another question.

 

Lord Subramanya or Muruga is associated with Rahu. Normally people with

afflicted Rahu are suggested to visit and offer their prayers to Kukke

Subramanya in Karnataka.

 

 

Regards,

Jai

 

 

 

 

 

Vic D <vicdicara

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008 12:04:08 PM

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

 

Dear Pooja,

 

On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:29 AM, pooja Sharma wrote:

 

> //moon being 8th frm jupiter gives such ups and downs// ?u mean

> emotions?

 

It is called Shakata Yoga - I have found it to be quite reliable and

accurate, especially when it is the 8th House (can also be formed with

6th and 12th). It means that life has constant ups and downs.

Financially, emotionally, careerwise, everything. I am a living,

breathing illustration of Shakata Yoga. (27 July 1970 19:38 in Bay

Shore, NY)

 

> sir,one more query,how cud u pinpoint it to be a RAMA temple?how do

> we predict the diety to be worshiped for a particular horo?

 

It is possible because planets are associated with deities. Not sure

about Rama. But Mercury is Vishnu, Jupiter is Krishna, Saturn is

Shiva. Those are the main three in my opinion.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicast rologer.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Jai, Vic and All,

 

Just a brief visit here (for now) as I have a lot to catch up on

(off-list) after a week of enforced rest. It's quite uncanny how the

topic of Avatars should pop up on the very day I received the latest

addition to my bookshelf. I will quote just a little from this

wonderfully incredible book...

 

Quote:

The following summary from the Vedic Literature gives a brief account of

Buddha Avatar, Vishnu's incarnation as Buddha.

" Once, in a battle between the Devas and the Asuras, the Devas were

defeated by the Daityas, or demons, the sons of Diti. The Devas went to

Vishnu for help, and as a result Vishnu agreed to incarnate as Gautam,

the Buddha, to restore life in accord with Natural Law. "

 

Buddha is associated with the Brainstem and Thalamus. The nearest

satellite to the thalamus is the sub-thalamus. The functions of the

sub-thalamic nucleus express the quality of discrimination, which is also

a quality assigned to Budh in Jyotish...etc..

 

....and here (also) is a reference to the tenth incarnation (Kalki Avatar)

which is associated with the Temporal Lobe. More on this when time

permits.

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

 

-

" Jai Dixit " <jaidixit74

<jyotish-vidya >

Thursday, July 17, 2008 3:24 AM

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

 

Dear Vic Prabhu,

 

//It is possible because planets are associated with deities. Not sure

about Rama. But Mercury is Vishnu, Jupiter is Krishna, Saturn is

Shiva. Those are the main three in my opinion//

 

From BPHS

 

From Sun came the incarnation of Rama, from Moon that of Krishna, from

Mars that of Narasimha, from Mercury that of Buddha, from Jupiter that

of Vamana, from Venus that of Parashurama, from Saturn that of Kurma

(Tortoise), from Rahu that of Varaha (Pig) and from Ketu that of Pisces

(Fish) occurred. Incarnations other than these also are through the

Planets. The beings with more Paramatmâñú are called divine beings.

 

Not sure about Budha associated with Buddha as there are some schools of

Hinduism that dismisses Buddha as an avatar of Vishnu. Also which planet

would be associate with Kalki who is yet to come is another question.

 

Lord Subramanya or Muruga is associated with Rahu. Normally people with

afflicted Rahu are suggested to visit and offer their prayers to Kukke

Subramanya in Karnataka.

 

 

Regards,

Jai

[Guest guest]

dear babu,

u know what?they are 4 sisters,no brother.her mother had a miscarriage after her

birth.and after that,her younger sister was born.

sir,first younger co-born is seen from 3erd house,the next younger one from 3erd

from 3erd i.e.5th house.now the merc-ketu logic u specified is absolutely agreed

by me.the younger co-born cudnt survive.but here 5th lord mars is in 8th house

and 5th house is aspected by jupiter.how come this tell that the native has cool

relations with this co-born.

kindly comment.

 

pooja

 

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Narendra <naren.dra wrote:

 

Narendra <naren.dra

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:50 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

The third lord Mercury is widely associated with Ketu in the 10th house and both

aspected by the SATURN from the from the lagna.

 

And in the NAVAMANSA chart, the third house has MARS and KETU. So I believe she

has no younger co borns or if she has the relations are cool.

 

pooja Sharma

Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:41 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

dear babu,

" gadbad with younger co-borns " because of this combination? i really dont think

so.

kindly elaborate ur logic behind it.

 

pooja

 

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Narendra <naren.dra (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Narendra <naren.dra (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:18 AM

 

7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in.

 

I am following this argument with keen interest and I feel the above is correct.

 

The point is the SATURN's mooltrikona rashi is in the 8th house and therefore he

becomes absolute malefic and causes 'garbad' with the younger co borns of the

native, husband's family and even her status as a married woman is in trouble.

 

But correct me, I am leraner.

 

Regards.

 

Babu.

 

pooja Sharma

Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:10 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

dera manasa,

// 7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in.//

does it also not mean that the person loves her spouse more than herself or

anything.or does it mean that the person is so self sufficient that she doesnt

need any 7th house company.(as wherever the house lord goes,it take its

signifance to that house).

kindly comment on this too

 

pooja

sir,i still feel as if the main culprit is the 7th lord in lagna and that too

retro.

 

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth@ . ca> wrote:

 

m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth@ . ca>

Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 12:45 PM

 

Dear pooja,

 

In my view the disagreements are due to exalted venus in the chart

that is combust. As you will be knowing venus is the karaka for

spouse.Sun has taken the qualities of venus and is quite strong in the

chart. So there is an element of ego in all the verbal fights she is in.

 

7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in. Saturn being the lord of 7 & 8, says that her

spouse and his family follows traditional customs quite strictly. Is

it true if I say that she is a person with modern outlook? Her family

upbringing had been like that ( note that sun is the ruler of 2nd

house which says abt her extended family). This is another reason why

she is in dispute.

 

Mental agony has to be seen both from the 4th house and moon.4th lord

is venus that is combust so she cannot freely express her emotions and

moon is in 8th house from jupiter giving ups and downs.

 

What could be done about this? I find that guru is in parivarthana

with venus and she was blessed with love of her life via marriage in

sun/jupiter period. So it's jupiter's approach that would help in

finding the solution- which is wisdom,philosophy and optimism.

Unconditional love would bless her with a happy married life. Going to

the family temple (which should be a Rama temple ) and praying there

would ease the task for its the 9th house that is afflicted. In

navamsa, jupiter is in its own house. So definitely she will be blessed.

 

Regards,

Manasa.

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear manasa,

thnx a millions for the useful insight u provided for the given horo.so,u mean

the main culprit is sun which is giving her false ego and aggression?one more

thing,she is so much attached to LORD SHIVA instead.she had some strange

experiences in her childhood which made her inclined towards SHIVJI.she loves

MATA equally.infact she worships all dieties with special attachment towards

SHIVA.(sat in lagna).

her inlaws follow a guru and no diety as such.

 

pooja

 

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth wrote:

 

m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth

Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 2:48 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear pooja,

 

You wrote:

//moon being 8th frm jupiter gives such ups and downs// ?u mean emotions?

Yes I meant that only. You should refer shakata yoga to understand

that better.

 

//how cud u pinpoint it to be a RAMA temple? how do we predict the

diety to be worshiped for a particular horo?//

 

9th lord is Jupiter which signifies lord vishnu. Sun being strong in

the house I suggested that it is a Rama temple. In one forum I have

read that Sun signifies Rama and Moon signifies Krishna for those who

worship Vishnu. More over all rama temple has sitadevi too. Here sun

(male) & Venus (female)in 9th house, which means a god and goddess is

worshipped by the family.

 

Regards,

Manasa.

 

jyotish-vidya, pooja Sharma <poojasharma9@ ...>

wrote:

>

> //moon being 8th frm jupiter gives such ups and downs// ?u mean

emotions?

>  

> //Going to

> the family temple (which should be a Rama temple ) and praying there

> would ease the task for its the 9th house that is afflicted. In

> navamsa, jupiter is in its own house. So definitely she will be

blessed.//

>  

> as i ve jst mentioned in the previous mail to u,she is all the time

interested in spirituality and religion.but these days,she dont even

afford to do that due to the mental turmoil and the husband being

non-supportive.

> sir,one more query,how cud u pinpoint it to be a RAMA temple?how do

we predict the diety to be worshiped for a particular horo?

>  

> pooja

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear sir,

          ofcourse,planets r asso. with dieties.as per my knowledge,SUN is for

RUDRA,MOON for GAURI,MARS-KARTIKEYA/HANUMAN JI/MERCURY-VISHNU JI/JUPITER

-DATTATREYA,VENUS-MAHALAXMI/SATURN-SHIVA/KAAL BHAIRAV/HANUMAAN,RAHU-DURGA/KAALI

and KETU-GANESHJI.

 

sir ,according to me RAMA and KRISHNA are the other forms of lord VISHNU

only.they r not separately asso. with any planet.i.e. why i asked,how did he

pinpoint a RAMA temple.

 

pooja

 

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

 

Vic D <vicdicara

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 5:04 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Pooja,

 

On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:29 AM, pooja Sharma wrote:

 

> //moon being 8th frm jupiter gives such ups and downs// ?u mean

> emotions?

 

It is called Shakata Yoga - I have found it to be quite reliable and

accurate, especially when it is the 8th House (can also be formed with

6th and 12th). It means that life has constant ups and downs.

Financially, emotionally, careerwise, everything. I am a living,

breathing illustration of Shakata Yoga. (27 July 1970 19:38 in Bay

Shore, NY)

 

> sir,one more query,how cud u pinpoint it to be a RAMA temple?how do

> we predict the diety to be worshiped for a particular horo?

 

It is possible because planets are associated with deities. Not sure

about Rama. But Mercury is Vishnu, Jupiter is Krishna, Saturn is

Shiva. Those are the main three in my opinion.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicast rologer.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

This is good news.

 

I understand the JUPITER aspects the 5th house but it is the lord of the 6th

house, of the dispute, and I followed that.

 

Other thing, the MARS is a yogakaraka for the cancer lagna and it should not be

harmful but it being the the planet of energy and its position being in the 8th

house it is somewhat weak and from the 8th house it aspects the 3rd house., so i

concluded some defects with the co borns. THe malefic SATURN also aspects the

3rd house.

 

I am learner, we are all learners, otherwise we would not be here.

 

Regards.

 

Babu.

 

 

pooja Sharma

Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:36 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

 

dear babu,

u know what?they are 4 sisters,no brother.her mother had a miscarriage after her

birth.and after that,her younger sister was born.

sir,first younger co-born is seen from 3erd house,the next younger one from 3erd

from 3erd i.e.5th house.now the merc-ketu logic u specified is absolutely agreed

by me.the younger co-born cudnt survive.but here 5th lord mars is in 8th house

and 5th house is aspected by jupiter.how come this tell that the native has cool

relations with this co-born.

kindly comment.

 

pooja

 

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Narendra <naren.dra wrote:

 

Narendra <naren.dra

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:50 AM

 

The third lord Mercury is widely associated with Ketu in the 10th house and both

aspected by the SATURN from the from the lagna.

 

And in the NAVAMANSA chart, the third house has MARS and KETU. So I believe she

has no younger co borns or if she has the relations are cool.

 

pooja Sharma

Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:41 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

dear babu,

" gadbad with younger co-borns " because of this combination? i really dont think

so.

kindly elaborate ur logic behind it.

 

pooja

 

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Narendra <naren.dra (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> wrote:

 

Narendra <naren.dra (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 9:18 AM

 

7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in.

 

I am following this argument with keen interest and I feel the above is correct.

 

The point is the SATURN's mooltrikona rashi is in the 8th house and therefore he

becomes absolute malefic and causes 'garbad' with the younger co borns of the

native, husband's family and even her status as a married woman is in trouble.

 

But correct me, I am leraner.

 

Regards.

 

Babu.

 

pooja Sharma

Wednesday, July 16, 2008 10:10 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

dera manasa,

// 7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in.//

does it also not mean that the person loves her spouse more than herself or

anything.or does it mean that the person is so self sufficient that she doesnt

need any 7th house company.(as wherever the house lord goes,it take its

signifance to that house).

kindly comment on this too

 

pooja

sir,i still feel as if the main culprit is the 7th lord in lagna and that too

retro.

 

--- On Tue, 7/15/08, m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth@ . ca> wrote:

 

m2sangeeth <m2sangeeth@ . ca>

Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 12:45 PM

 

Dear pooja,

 

In my view the disagreements are due to exalted venus in the chart

that is combust. As you will be knowing venus is the karaka for

spouse.Sun has taken the qualities of venus and is quite strong in the

chart. So there is an element of ego in all the verbal fights she is in.

 

7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

partnership she is in. Saturn being the lord of 7 & 8, says that her

spouse and his family follows traditional customs quite strictly. Is

it true if I say that she is a person with modern outlook? Her family

upbringing had been like that ( note that sun is the ruler of 2nd

house which says abt her extended family). This is another reason why

she is in dispute.

 

Mental agony has to be seen both from the 4th house and moon.4th lord

is venus that is combust so she cannot freely express her emotions and

moon is in 8th house from jupiter giving ups and downs.

 

What could be done about this? I find that guru is in parivarthana

with venus and she was blessed with love of her life via marriage in

sun/jupiter period. So it's jupiter's approach that would help in

finding the solution- which is wisdom,philosophy and optimism.

Unconditional love would bless her with a happy married life. Going to

the family temple (which should be a Rama temple ) and praying there

would ease the task for its the 9th house that is afflicted. In

navamsa, jupiter is in its own house. So definitely she will be blessed.

 

Regards,

Manasa.

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear sir,

 

// The 5th 7th and 9th houses are all related to LOVE. The

5th is the beginning, the 7th is the middle, and the 9th is the

culmination of love. 5th is therefore associated with lust & love

affairs (the impetus for *children*, see B.Gita, " kaamo'smi " ) . The 7th

is therefore associated with a partnership oriented love: marriage.

The 9th is the culmination of love, the highest type of love: divine

love or " prema-bhakti " . Note also that the 5th is leo/sun

(animalistic) , the 7th is libra/venus (partnership oriented and

benefic), and the 9th is sagittarius/ jupiter (aiming to the zenith or

topmost philosophical love of Godhead). Venus in the 9th is wonderful

for Prema Bhakti.//

this knowledge was new to me.thnx for adding to my knowledge bank.how

wonderfully u described successive growth of love from 5th till 9th.

thnx a millions

pooja

 

 

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

 

Vic D <vicdicara

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 5:23 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Manasa!

 

Once again, a fascinating post from you...

 

>

> You wrote:

> //moon being 8th frm jupiter gives such ups and downs// ?u mean

> emotions?

> Yes I meant that only. You should refer shakata yoga to understand

> that better.

 

I think Shakata yoga affects life overall, but don't rely much on

yogas, and would like you to inform me more about your reasoning that

it only affects emotions. Yes, I see that it involves the moon (inner

life) but also involves Jupiter (overall luck).

 

> 9th lord is Jupiter which signifies lord vishnu. Sun being strong in

> the house I suggested that it is a Rama temple. In one forum I have

> read that Sun signifies Rama and Moon signifies Krishna for those who

> worship Vishnu. More over all rama temple has sitadevi too. Here sun

> (male) & Venus (female)in 9th house, which means a god and goddess is

> worshipped by the family.

 

This is wonderful. However... I do believe it is Mercury who is more

associated with Vishnu. Nonetheless your interpretation is still good

in result. Jupiter signifies a Benefic and Blissful Godhead (Krishna,

Rama, etc., but Krishna especially) but with Sun in the 9th I agree

that Rama is first indicated, Krishna second.

 

Let's not forget that a horoscope indicates extremely abstract karmic

energies which manifest in extremely specific ways according to time,

place, and circumstance. So in the international world, I see Mercury

representing a traditional understanding of God. Much like a Christian

concept of God. Vishnu is quite a traditional form of Godhead as the

maintainer of the Universe.

 

Jupiter is supposed to indicate a very bountiful and pleasant energy.

It indicates forms of Godhead which are more blissful and bountiful

than Vishnu. Sri Krishna is the archetype of such Godhead.

 

Saturn is more ascetic and harsh, therefore he indicates Godhead in a

terrible and drastic form - Lord Shiva: God of Destruction and lord of

Tyagi's and renunciates.

 

Now, about the Sun and Moon pertaining to Rama and Krishna. Rama's

Kshatriya Vamsh (Royal lineage) is from Vivashvan / Surya. He is in

Surya Vamsha (the Sun's dynasty). Krishna's " kshatriya " vamsha (royal

lineage) is from Chandra, the Chandra Vamsha (moon dynasty). On that

basis perhaps, astrologers may associate the moon with Krishna and the

Sun with Rama when fine tuning an interpretation in regards to a

Jupiter type Godhead.

 

Venus in the 9th House is simply DIVINE. It is my favorite house

placement for Venus!

 

Sri Caitanya Mahaprabhu - the proponent of Krishna Prema in the Mood

of Srimati Radharani, had this placement. It indicates a Radha / Laxmi

based sense of divine love. Note also that the 9th house is not just

" religion " . The 5th 7th and 9th houses are all related to LOVE. The

5th is the beginning, the 7th is the middle, and the 9th is the

culmination of love. 5th is therefore associated with lust & love

affairs (the impetus for *children*, see B.Gita, " kaamo'smi " ) . The 7th

is therefore associated with a partnership oriented love: marriage.

The 9th is the culmination of love, the highest type of love: divine

love or " prema-bhakti " . Note also that the 5th is leo/sun

(animalistic) , the 7th is libra/venus (partnership oriented and

benefic), and the 9th is sagittarius/ jupiter (aiming to the zenith or

topmost philosophical love of Godhead). Venus in the 9th is wonderful

for Prema Bhakti.

 

However, in this case, Malefic sun may interfere. Sun is authoriy and

father figures and men in general. Depending on how close (by degree)

the sun is to Venus, this would be more or less noticeable.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicast rologer.net

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear babu,

now,all the planets seem to be malefic in one way or other according to what our

group discussed so far.i really didnt know the horo was so much afflicted.does

it mean she is destined to live such a life and there is no ray of hope?cud u

please elaborate ''guru pooja " ?(she doesnt follow any guru).

one more thing.as i told u,she is so much inclined towards spirituality.wud such

bad afflictions leading to failures in every aspect of life wont take her

towards vairagya/sanyasa?

(one more thing,she was a scholar thruout her academic years,a sports person,a

leader of the sorts.she switched so many jobs but cudnt retain any.she is

jobless till date.)

kindly comment

pooja

 

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Narendra <naren.dra wrote:

 

Narendra <naren.dra

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 6:36 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thank you for the compliment, Vic.

 

Please have a look at this chart again.

 

The JUPITER, as a lord of the 6th house also becomes a malefic, due to its

mooltrikona, Sagittarius rashi there. So it would cast a malefic aspect on the

7th house(husband) , 3rd house (younger co born) and the fifth house( love,

romance, progeny)

 

Apart from that the 5th lord MARS is in the 8th house, unfulfilled desires, out

of control and this hasty step to get married, on her own initiative.

 

And according to the Hindu tradition the marriage of a woman is considered as a

new birth (of a woman) and for that the JUPITER must be good and strong. In

here, I can not say the same of JUPITER.

 

What the lady in question has to do is the GURU (JUPITER) pooja to pacify the

'gods'. Otherwise its all 'rolla golla' (problems)

 

Please correct me.

 

Regards.

 

Babu.

 

Vic D

Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:01 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

Dear Babu

 

On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:18 AM, Narendra wrote:

 

> 7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

> partnership she is in.

>

>

> I am following this argument with keen interest and I feel the above

> is correct.

>

> The point is the SATURN's mooltrikona rashi is in the 8th house and

> therefore he becomes absolute malefic and causes 'garbad' with the

> younger co borns of the native, husband's family and even her status

> as a married woman is in trouble.

>

> But correct me, I am leraner.

 

IMO, this was an EXCELLENT assesment.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicast rologer.net

 

 

[Guest guest]

aah,atleast some relief came to the lady thru jupiter.

 

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

 

Vic D <vicdicara

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 6:48 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Babu,

 

> The JUPITER, as a lord of the 6th house also becomes a malefic, due

> to its mooltrikona, Sagittarius rashi there. So it would cast a

> malefic aspect on the 7th house(husband) , 3rd house (younger co

> born) and the fifth house( love, romance, progeny)

 

Jupiter is ALWAYS a benefic. Jupiter is always Jupiter. Your guru

might be associated with sickness and ill health and have lots of

enemies, but would he ever actually try to get you infected or harmed

by his enemies? No! Jupiter as a " functional malefic " is over-

emphasized when we forget that the planets are PEOPLE.

 

Jupiter's lordship of the sixth will bring some illness and obstacle

to the 7th House and to his aspects, no doubt. But Jupiter never

ceases to be a beneficial personality who tries his best to bless

everything he comes into contact with.

 

> Apart from that the 5th lord MARS is in the 8th house, unfulfilled

> desires, out of control and this hasty step to get married, on her

> own initiative.

 

I'm not familiar with the native or the chart. I am just responding to

your points. I like your description of Lord of the 5th Mars in the

8th House.

 

> And according to the Hindu tradition the marriage of a woman is

> considered as a new birth (of a woman) and for that the JUPITER

> must be good and strong. In here, I can not say the same of JUPITER.

 

Very interesting connection of Jupiter to marriage. Thank you.

 

> Please correct me.

 

No need! =)

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicast rologer.net

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Pooja,

 

I understand you will not discuss much about this chart to your friend, as she

is already depressed.

 

There is some' VAIRAGYA ' involved but can not tell when.

 

You already mention that she is devoted to SHIVA.

 

The MOON in the chart is a lonely planet and its dispositor, SATURN, is malefic

and and too in the 8th house. Its a double whammy.

 

About the GURU pooja.

 

Please advise her not wear the JUPITER Gem, because he is malefic in the chart

and may aggravate the situation.

 

But on THURSDAYS she can observe fast, dedicating the THURSDAY food the the

JUPITER. And tell her to chant MRUTYUNJAYA MANTRA everyday and definitely on

THURSDAYS, after chanting of these mantra She needs to pray the SHIVA to relieve

her from the present difficulties.

 

She can eat fruits on Thursdays. If she feeds the needy and ill, in the name of

The JUPITER, it will be better

 

NO hard work. She will be able to live a decent life and will get a job within

weeks or months after this.

 

One more thing. Did she get married with traditional Hindu Ceremony? If she had,

they would have done the GURU pooja in their own way.

 

Now, whatever she does she does herself and the JUPITER, no third party

involved. If I get headache and you take medicine, my headache won't go and you

will get ill!

 

Its all karma., law of cause and effect.

 

Regards.

 

Babu.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

pooja Sharma

Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:29 AM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

 

dear babu,

now,all the planets seem to be malefic in one way or other according to what our

group discussed so far.i really didnt know the horo was so much afflicted.does

it mean she is destined to live such a life and there is no ray of hope?cud u

please elaborate ''guru pooja " ?(she doesnt follow any guru).

one more thing.as i told u,she is so much inclined towards spirituality.wud such

bad afflictions leading to failures in every aspect of life wont take her

towards vairagya/sanyasa?

(one more thing,she was a scholar thruout her academic years,a sports person,a

leader of the sorts.she switched so many jobs but cudnt retain any.she is

jobless till date.)

kindly comment

pooja

 

--- On Wed, 7/16/08, Narendra <naren.dra wrote:

 

Narendra <naren.dra

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

jyotish-vidya

Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 6:36 PM

 

Thank you for the compliment, Vic.

 

Please have a look at this chart again.

 

The JUPITER, as a lord of the 6th house also becomes a malefic, due to its

mooltrikona, Sagittarius rashi there. So it would cast a malefic aspect on the

7th house(husband) , 3rd house (younger co born) and the fifth house( love,

romance, progeny)

 

Apart from that the 5th lord MARS is in the 8th house, unfulfilled desires, out

of control and this hasty step to get married, on her own initiative.

 

And according to the Hindu tradition the marriage of a woman is considered as a

new birth (of a woman) and for that the JUPITER must be good and strong. In

here, I can not say the same of JUPITER.

 

What the lady in question has to do is the GURU (JUPITER) pooja to pacify the

'gods'. Otherwise its all 'rolla golla' (problems)

 

Please correct me.

 

Regards.

 

Babu.

 

Vic D

Wednesday, July 16, 2008 6:01 PM

jyotish-vidya

Re: Re: lagna n 7th house connection

 

Dear Babu

 

On Jul 16, 2008, at 2:18 AM, Narendra wrote:

 

> 7th lord in lagna says that the person is identified through the

> partnership she is in.

>

>

> I am following this argument with keen interest and I feel the above

> is correct.

>

> The point is the SATURN's mooltrikona rashi is in the 8th house and

> therefore he becomes absolute malefic and causes 'garbad' with the

> younger co borns of the native, husband's family and even her status

> as a married woman is in trouble.

>

> But correct me, I am leraner.

 

IMO, this was an EXCELLENT assesment.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicast rologer.net