Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Respected deepakji, Good that you replied . This gives me a chance to reply you. See you have done a lot of teasing here to the astrologers. First you say that your family is fed by people, ( This is not being humble but trying to get pity and readings from all ) and you wish to know when you will stand on your own feet and be able to feed them. Then you say, that I earnt 24 lakhs rupees per annum. A person who earns 24 lakhs per annum does not have anything to feed the family is very much strange ? Did you not save enough and just last year you had so much and now nothing ? Next you tell me about Bhavat Bhavam and tell me where to find the sources. You tried to say that I know nothing of Bhavat Bhavam and I was given the paras ( Shlokas ) to read by you. yet I was humble and did not tell you that what you were saying about saturn in 6,8,12 etc. is not a talk about Bhavat Bhavam at all. Next you write to others saying Bhaskarji has not given satisfactory reply and your query lies unasnwered. If this is not teasing then what is it ? In fact after knowing that my limits to replying you were over, you are mow also unable to get further inputs from others who have realised that none can satisfy you, so you come back at me. Boss learn to be of gratitude. About 24 lakhs , I know very well that this is nothing. But I also know that this is something for anybody, and not anything for a somebody. In India in cities like Bombay, and Delhi , anyone who has just finished a MBA, and also doing CA currently get a starting offer of 30-40Lakhs from good companies, and I am among such people all the time being in the Mutual Fund industry. These are not more than 30 years old. This salary may not be considered big by you, but it is enough to feed a family, luxuriously. Please learn to have some gratitude, and remove the tendency to take out more and more from people and you will succeed moderately. And once you learn to help people you will succeed further. Yes You chart may be 100 times better than mines. If not then i can join hands in praying with you to make it better. I never said or meant that my word is the Brahma but i do not try to prove my elders wrong, and with no substance on my side. You are welcome to read many books shastras and all this. I am happy for you. You said about putting my chart and taking free predictions.I am sorry but I do not ask for free anything from anybody. best wishes, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000 wrote: > > Respected bhaskar ji, > > I respect you, but it does not mean whatever comes on your mind you > may type. you are not god and also you are not saint, you are simply > astrologer, and in this forum there are so many better astrologers > having space. > > I am not hurt, because you told me that I will have billions, but if > you see my chart by cool and calm mind you can see my progress, I > have started my job in 1990 by 1500 Rs and in 17 yrs when i left it > was 24 lacs plus perks , you can see how many people are Group VP HR > in age of 40 for (USD 7 BILLION) INR 25650 crore Group of companies > in India. As you again and again did indirectly comment on me, yes I > have taken loan from my friend, in humble words I use lines they feed > me. it does not mean i have given up, as you use the language none of > other astrologer uses this type of language, as we can talk about > charts, I had seen your chart also, and I am very much sure i have > 100 times better chart then yours. if do not belief Pls put your and > mine chart and ask free report from learned astrologers of this forum. > > as you talk about divinity, so I do not want to discuss on this, i am > still kid of almighty and still I feel I am very humble, typing or > talking like this as you did you say you are blunt I feel it is > totally nonsense, a astrologer must be mature like ocean, as madam > wandy, vic ji, prashant ji, ramany ji, all of them did not talk like > this, they always answer my questions, in very good mood, even i > asked some childish questions also. > > As you are talking about knowledge of astrology, i read uncounted > books, and shastras, but i never try them to understand my own > horoscope, any time. > > kindly wait for time i will tell you, what happen in future, as u > believe that whatever you predicted is the script of lord Brahma, but > i know my self better, and i know what I can do. > > If I did not have any thing in me , I was not on this position today, > I was worried because this gap period first time it was so long, > which i never expect, and i have invested my savings in other things. > and I do not have any problem in my life except this gap period in > job. > > Sir I request you when ever you type or reply do not thing you are or > you may be better then other one, i still have good brand name and > position in HR network, i did not got the job because there are very > less openings on top management level. > > kindly pardon me if i used some unwanted words. i seek help and > guidance and the answers of my questions from other learned > astrologers. > > i am very sorry moderator , but i am not use to listen this type of > language. > > > kind regards with due respect > > deepak sharma > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > You are a good soul, and I do agree to what > > You have written, because I value the words > > of Guru Paramhansa Yogananda. > > The effects can be mitigated, but not by > > ordinary souls.Lot of japa and tapa has to > > go into deriving this. > > > > A person who has total disregards for anyones > > efforts and help and is unsatisfied and yearning > > for more and more, from all available sources, > > would not be the proper subject as on today > > (Maybe tomorrow ),to be expected to become the > > quick swift favourite dog whom you mentioned. > > A lady true to one man can only be,a favourite > > to one. > > > > For a normal mortal who has not yet scaled > > the depths of spiritualism , destiny just > > cannot be changed, is what was taught to me > > when i was learning the Nakshatra padhaty. > > It can be altered, the effects if malefic can > > be lessened but not totally removed from a > > mans Life. > > > > Now what was not taught is - > > A great amount of meditation, japa and tapa > > can have the power to change a mans fate , but > > how many can do such type of japa and tapa ? > > We are normally dealing with most ordinary men > > everyday who want to know more and more about > > themselves,but wishing to give nothing in return. > > > > A man asks about his love life. > > A man asks about his troubled marriage. > > A man asks about when he is going to earn more money. > > A man asks when he is going to buy a new house. > > A man asks when he is going to feed his family himself > > since he his family is being looked upon by his friends, > > and he wishes to know when he will stand on his > > own feet. Now when i tell him that he cannot earn Big money, > > but susbsitence levels are easy to obtain in his > > chart, then he comes out and tells me that his last > > salary was Rs 24 lakhs per annum. > > When he is asking us for our inputs, and when we give them > > to him, he writes back to us mentioning and referring me > > the shlokas and the text matter where this is cited. > > I feel sad at such mails. Do You think that > > these people need help ? No they can help themselves > > better than we can help them. > > > > I need help on the contrary from such people, > > as i could have spent time really on a poor > > needy soul instead. > > > > Destiny can also be changed by ashirvaad and shraap , > > means blessings and curses from saints or commoners . > > > > But for most of us ordinary folk, we are too much > > happy in our comfortable beds and rooms, after > > the days work, than rather be involved in the strict > > rigours of discipline and norms, which are requisites > > for one to change his destiny. > > > > Destiny cannot be changed for the 99.99% of > > the people we are dealing with, in day to day. > > Destiny may be possible to change for the > > 0.001% but then indications would be there in > > the chart about this. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , RajeevM <rajeevmundra@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Madam > > > > > > Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny unfold > > in my life > > > and some more, > > > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little > > there to > > > drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down the > > line. > > > > > > Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to > decipher. > > (no > > > dis-regard implied) > > > People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without even > > stating > > > once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding > great > > > historical incarnations. Strange statements are made regarding > Ram > > and > > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > A few lines to the non-astrologer: > > > Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers > from > > every > > > human weakness. (again no dis-regard) > > > So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but > then > > dont > > > forget to ask yourself. > > > If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, which > > cannot be > > > edited, then it would be better not having known it. > > > > > > Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for > > upliftment, and > > > that should be the goal and not just stating future events. The > ole > > story > > > books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed by > > someone by > > > his actions. > > > > > > One example: > > > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in 1 > > month " , > > > The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal > discord > > for 1 > > > month " ... Why?!! > > > > > > Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a > > tenacious > > > person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! > > > > > > A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and > > editable > > > determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and examples > to > > believe > > > in the later. > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > ///It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the > > > > importance of > > > > astrology. > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is > > only and > > > > only > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its > not > > very > > > > hard > > > > either.// > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement. Not even the > > saints > > > > can escape their destiny. I'm reminded of two very, very holy > men > > who > > > > suffered great physical infirmity during their closing years. > At > > the same > > > > time I see many ordinary elderly people in their 90's enjoying > > excellent > > > > health and vigour (commensurate with their age of > course)...there > > are > > > > even some who are still actively involved in seniors sports > > competitions > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > I see deeply religious people suffering many hardships whilst > > other more > > > > worldly (non spiritual) people prosper in all areas of life. > > Destiny IS, > > > > plain and simple! But how we react to that destiny is what > > separates the > > > > saint from the ordinary person. I agree that regular meditation > > develops > > > > blissful undisturbed peace that remains unscathed by outward > > > > circumstances. > > > > > > > > But, you know, even THAT (one's desire to meditate on Lord Siva > > etc.) is > > > > preordained! If the desire is not there no amount of cajoling > will > > > > convince someone to spend time in meditation. > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra@ <rajeevmundra%40gmail.com>> > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% > > 40>> > > > > Monday, June 23, 2008 1:46 PM > > > > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > > > > > > > Dear Deepak ji > > > > > > > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > > > > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > > > > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above all your > un- > > divided > > > > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > > > > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > > > > > > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the > > importance > > > > of > > > > astrology. > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is > > only and > > > > only > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its > not > > very > > > > hard > > > > either. > > > > It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand from > door > > to door > > > > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to understand > > themselves to > > > > be > > > > able to better design their future. > > > > > > > > The persistence with which you have been chasing learned > humans, > > its > > > > great, > > > > but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, and feel > the > > > > difference. > > > > He will open the right door at the right time and give you the > > right > > > > thought > > > > as you enter that right door. > > > > > > > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and some great, > > but let > > > > me > > > > say one thing, > > > > you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. Make Shiv > > your > > > > co-architect. > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Dear Mrs.Wendy, This is not a Forum for Chart readings. Yet I did this because the enquiry came in garb of some astrological query regarding birth time accuracy related to positioning of planets, but which query continued on and on in form of other multiple queries time to time. After wasting at least 6 working hours on this query , all I get is cruel, harsh and unmindful language and accusations from the native who knows astrology very well, is not as poor as he has meant to be, but I got caught in this whirpool. I will no more answer any queries now on this List for next 1 month but go on a silent mode., is my self ordained punishment for having done the mistake of complying to a free reading request. kind regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 respected bhaskarji, i respect your words but you have taken in wrong meanings, i never hurt you in my privious mails, and i yes i am not satisfied with your answers, because you did not gone through with my complete horoscope, only surfacely you have seen and you also told that it is not a reading, when you did not read my horo then what are the value of pridictions. as i told about bhavarth bhavam i am still right you may check the pandulipi of that book, i think that must be available in Mumbai university library otherwise it is available in Varansi hindu vishwvidyala. pls do not get hurt as u hurt i also hurt , when you unwantedly quote the things, which you do not know, kindly do not react without understanding the things deeply, and do not get anger with all, first you try to understand knowledge is ocean, it is not necessarry that we are able to understand the script of lord brhama. may be only 10% you can guess, but still few people have more or less understanding. so pls kind enough, i rcvd kind reply by madam wendy ji, vic ji, ramani ji, prashant ji , i am very much satisfied with them, and i want to explore more things thats why i asked again some question, knowing astrology and asking about the own horo i do not think is sin. pls do not answer my mails, if you see my all mails i never made any request to you for a reading of my horo, because i know you nature very well, you see things only surfacely, and having half bookish knowledge. i am a student and i am learning through varous method, pls take care do not make your self sufffer by inferiority complex in comp of other astrologers. you are very good person - if you keep shanti, and control on your behaviour, and on your writing skill, do not try to be the last astrologer on earth. kind regards deepak sharma jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Respected deepakji, > > Good that you replied . This gives me a chance > to reply you. > > See you have done a lot of teasing here to the > astrologers. First you say that your family is > fed by people, ( This is not being humble but > trying to get pity and readings from all ) > and you wish to know when you will stand on your > own feet and be able to feed them. > Then you say, that I earnt 24 lakhs rupees per > annum. A person who earns 24 lakhs per annum > does not have anything to feed the family > is very much strange ? Did you not save enough > and just last year you had so much and now nothing ? > > Next you tell me about Bhavat Bhavam and tell me > where to find the sources. You tried to > say that I know nothing of Bhavat Bhavam and I > was given the paras ( Shlokas ) to read by you. > yet I was humble and did not tell you > that what you were saying about saturn in 6,8,12 > etc. is not a talk about Bhavat Bhavam at all. > > Next you write to others saying Bhaskarji > has not given satisfactory reply > and your query lies unasnwered. If this is not > teasing then what is it ? > > In fact after knowing that my limits to > replying you were over, you are mow > also unable to get further inputs from others > who have realised that none can satisfy you, > so you come back at me. > > Boss learn to be of gratitude. > > About 24 lakhs , I know very well > that this is nothing. > But I also know that this is something for > anybody, and not anything for a somebody. > > In India in cities like > Bombay, and Delhi , anyone who has just > finished a MBA, and also doing > CA currently get a starting offer of 30-40Lakhs > from good companies, and I am among such people > all the time being in the Mutual Fund industry. > These are not more than 30 years old. > > This salary may not be considered big by you, > but it is enough to feed a family, luxuriously. > > Please learn to have some gratitude, > and remove the tendency to take out > more and more from people and you will succeed > moderately. And once you learn to help people you > will succeed further. > > Yes You chart may be 100 times better than mines. > If not then i can join hands in praying with you > to make it better. > > I never said or meant that my word is the Brahma > but i do not try to prove my elders wrong, > and with no substance on my side. You are welcome > to read many books shastras and all this. I > am happy for you. > > You said about putting my chart and taking free > predictions.I am sorry but I do not ask for free > anything from anybody. > > best wishes, > Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > wrote: > > > > Respected bhaskar ji, > > > > I respect you, but it does not mean whatever comes on your mind you > > may type. you are not god and also you are not saint, you are > simply > > astrologer, and in this forum there are so many better astrologers > > having space. > > > > I am not hurt, because you told me that I will have billions, but > if > > you see my chart by cool and calm mind you can see my progress, I > > have started my job in 1990 by 1500 Rs and in 17 yrs when i left it > > was 24 lacs plus perks , you can see how many people are Group VP > HR > > in age of 40 for (USD 7 BILLION) INR 25650 crore Group of companies > > in India. As you again and again did indirectly comment on me, yes > I > > have taken loan from my friend, in humble words I use lines they > feed > > me. it does not mean i have given up, as you use the language none > of > > other astrologer uses this type of language, as we can talk about > > charts, I had seen your chart also, and I am very much sure i have > > 100 times better chart then yours. if do not belief Pls put your > and > > mine chart and ask free report from learned astrologers of this > forum. > > > > as you talk about divinity, so I do not want to discuss on this, i > am > > still kid of almighty and still I feel I am very humble, typing or > > talking like this as you did you say you are blunt I feel it is > > totally nonsense, a astrologer must be mature like ocean, as madam > > wandy, vic ji, prashant ji, ramany ji, all of them did not talk > like > > this, they always answer my questions, in very good mood, even i > > asked some childish questions also. > > > > As you are talking about knowledge of astrology, i read uncounted > > books, and shastras, but i never try them to understand my own > > horoscope, any time. > > > > kindly wait for time i will tell you, what happen in future, as u > > believe that whatever you predicted is the script of lord Brahma, > but > > i know my self better, and i know what I can do. > > > > If I did not have any thing in me , I was not on this position > today, > > I was worried because this gap period first time it was so long, > > which i never expect, and i have invested my savings in other > things. > > and I do not have any problem in my life except this gap period in > > job. > > > > Sir I request you when ever you type or reply do not thing you are > or > > you may be better then other one, i still have good brand name and > > position in HR network, i did not got the job because there are > very > > less openings on top management level. > > > > kindly pardon me if i used some unwanted words. i seek help and > > guidance and the answers of my questions from other learned > > astrologers. > > > > i am very sorry moderator , but i am not use to listen this type of > > language. > > > > > > kind regards with due respect > > > > deepak sharma > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > You are a good soul, and I do agree to what > > > You have written, because I value the words > > > of Guru Paramhansa Yogananda. > > > The effects can be mitigated, but not by > > > ordinary souls.Lot of japa and tapa has to > > > go into deriving this. > > > > > > A person who has total disregards for anyones > > > efforts and help and is unsatisfied and yearning > > > for more and more, from all available sources, > > > would not be the proper subject as on today > > > (Maybe tomorrow ),to be expected to become the > > > quick swift favourite dog whom you mentioned. > > > A lady true to one man can only be,a favourite > > > to one. > > > > > > For a normal mortal who has not yet scaled > > > the depths of spiritualism , destiny just > > > cannot be changed, is what was taught to me > > > when i was learning the Nakshatra padhaty. > > > It can be altered, the effects if malefic can > > > be lessened but not totally removed from a > > > mans Life. > > > > > > Now what was not taught is - > > > A great amount of meditation, japa and tapa > > > can have the power to change a mans fate , but > > > how many can do such type of japa and tapa ? > > > We are normally dealing with most ordinary men > > > everyday who want to know more and more about > > > themselves,but wishing to give nothing in return. > > > > > > A man asks about his love life. > > > A man asks about his troubled marriage. > > > A man asks about when he is going to earn more money. > > > A man asks when he is going to buy a new house. > > > A man asks when he is going to feed his family himself > > > since he his family is being looked upon by his friends, > > > and he wishes to know when he will stand on his > > > own feet. Now when i tell him that he cannot earn Big money, > > > but susbsitence levels are easy to obtain in his > > > chart, then he comes out and tells me that his last > > > salary was Rs 24 lakhs per annum. > > > When he is asking us for our inputs, and when we give them > > > to him, he writes back to us mentioning and referring me > > > the shlokas and the text matter where this is cited. > > > I feel sad at such mails. Do You think that > > > these people need help ? No they can help themselves > > > better than we can help them. > > > > > > I need help on the contrary from such people, > > > as i could have spent time really on a poor > > > needy soul instead. > > > > > > Destiny can also be changed by ashirvaad and shraap , > > > means blessings and curses from saints or commoners . > > > > > > But for most of us ordinary folk, we are too much > > > happy in our comfortable beds and rooms, after > > > the days work, than rather be involved in the strict > > > rigours of discipline and norms, which are requisites > > > for one to change his destiny. > > > > > > Destiny cannot be changed for the 99.99% of > > > the people we are dealing with, in day to day. > > > Destiny may be possible to change for the > > > 0.001% but then indications would be there in > > > the chart about this. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , RajeevM <rajeevmundra@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Madam > > > > > > > > Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny > unfold > > > in my life > > > > and some more, > > > > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and little > > > there to > > > > drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down > the > > > line. > > > > > > > > Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to > > decipher. > > > (no > > > > dis-regard implied) > > > > People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without > even > > > stating > > > > once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding > > great > > > > historical incarnations. Strange statements are made regarding > > Ram > > > and > > > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > > > A few lines to the non-astrologer: > > > > Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers > > from > > > every > > > > human weakness. (again no dis-regard) > > > > So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but > > then > > > dont > > > > forget to ask yourself. > > > > If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, which > > > cannot be > > > > edited, then it would be better not having known it. > > > > > > > > Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for > > > upliftment, and > > > > that should be the goal and not just stating future events. The > > ole > > > story > > > > books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed > by > > > someone by > > > > his actions. > > > > > > > > One example: > > > > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce in > 1 > > > month " , > > > > The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal > > discord > > > for 1 > > > > month " ... Why?!! > > > > > > > > Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing a > > > tenacious > > > > person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! > > > > > > > > A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism and > > > editable > > > > determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and > examples > > to > > > believe > > > > in the later. > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek <jyotishvidya@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > > > ///It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus > the > > > > > importance of > > > > > astrology. > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is > > > only and > > > > > only > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its > > not > > > very > > > > > hard > > > > > either.// > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement. Not even > the > > > saints > > > > > can escape their destiny. I'm reminded of two very, very holy > > men > > > who > > > > > suffered great physical infirmity during their closing years. > > At > > > the same > > > > > time I see many ordinary elderly people in their 90's > enjoying > > > excellent > > > > > health and vigour (commensurate with their age of > > course)...there > > > are > > > > > even some who are still actively involved in seniors sports > > > competitions > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > I see deeply religious people suffering many hardships whilst > > > other more > > > > > worldly (non spiritual) people prosper in all areas of life. > > > Destiny IS, > > > > > plain and simple! But how we react to that destiny is what > > > separates the > > > > > saint from the ordinary person. I agree that regular > meditation > > > develops > > > > > blissful undisturbed peace that remains unscathed by outward > > > > > circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > But, you know, even THAT (one's desire to meditate on Lord > Siva > > > etc.) is > > > > > preordained! If the desire is not there no amount of cajoling > > will > > > > > convince someone to spend time in meditation. > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra@ <rajeevmundra%40gmail.com>> > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% > > > 40>> > > > > > Monday, June 23, 2008 1:46 PM > > > > > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepak ji > > > > > > > > > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > > > > > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > > > > > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above all > your > > un- > > > divided > > > > > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > > > > > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > > > > > > > > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus the > > > importance > > > > > of > > > > > astrology. > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it is > > > only and > > > > > only > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but its > > not > > > very > > > > > hard > > > > > either. > > > > > It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand from > > door > > > to door > > > > > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to understand > > > themselves to > > > > > be > > > > > able to better design their future. > > > > > > > > > > The persistence with which you have been chasing learned > > humans, > > > its > > > > > great, > > > > > but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, and feel > > the > > > > > difference. > > > > > He will open the right door at the right time and give you > the > > > right > > > > > thought > > > > > as you enter that right door. > > > > > > > > > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and some > great, > > > but let > > > > > me > > > > > say one thing, > > > > > you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. Make > Shiv > > > your > > > > > co-architect. > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Dear Deepakji, Good words full of gratitude. Thanks so much. If You can kindly let me have your contact number, then i can send you the first book of my first year at Bhartiya Vidya Bhuvan at Bombay, where we were taught about Bhavat Bhavam. I also wish to know you are a real person here which would be confirmed if you put your Phone number here. regards, Bhaskar, jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000 wrote: > > respected bhaskarji, > i respect your words but you have taken in wrong meanings, i never > hurt you in my privious mails, and i yes i am not satisfied with your > answers, because you did not gone through with my complete horoscope, > only surfacely you have seen and you also told that it is not a > reading, when you did not read my horo then what are the value of > pridictions. > > as i told about bhavarth bhavam i am still right you may check the > pandulipi of that book, i think that must be available in Mumbai > university library otherwise it is available in Varansi hindu > vishwvidyala. > > pls do not get hurt as u hurt i also hurt , when you unwantedly quote > the things, which you do not know, kindly do not react without > understanding the things deeply, and do not get anger with all, first > you try to understand knowledge is ocean, it is not necessarry that > we are able to understand the script of lord brhama. > > may be only 10% you can guess, but still few people have more or less > understanding. > > so pls kind enough, i rcvd kind reply by madam wendy ji, vic ji, > ramani ji, prashant ji , i am very much satisfied with them, and i > want to explore more things thats why i asked again some question, > knowing astrology and asking about the own horo i do not think is sin. > > pls do not answer my mails, if you see my all mails i never made any > request to you for a reading of my horo, because i know you nature > very well, you see things only surfacely, and having half bookish > knowledge. > > i am a student and i am learning through varous method, pls take care > do not make your self sufffer by inferiority complex in comp of other > astrologers. > > you are very good person - if you keep shanti, and control on your > behaviour, and on your writing skill, do not try to be the last > astrologer on earth. > > kind regards > > deepak sharma > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Respected deepakji, > > > > Good that you replied . This gives me a chance > > to reply you. > > > > See you have done a lot of teasing here to the > > astrologers. First you say that your family is > > fed by people, ( This is not being humble but > > trying to get pity and readings from all ) > > and you wish to know when you will stand on your > > own feet and be able to feed them. > > Then you say, that I earnt 24 lakhs rupees per > > annum. A person who earns 24 lakhs per annum > > does not have anything to feed the family > > is very much strange ? Did you not save enough > > and just last year you had so much and now nothing ? > > > > Next you tell me about Bhavat Bhavam and tell me > > where to find the sources. You tried to > > say that I know nothing of Bhavat Bhavam and I > > was given the paras ( Shlokas ) to read by you. > > yet I was humble and did not tell you > > that what you were saying about saturn in 6,8,12 > > etc. is not a talk about Bhavat Bhavam at all. > > > > Next you write to others saying Bhaskarji > > has not given satisfactory reply > > and your query lies unasnwered. If this is not > > teasing then what is it ? > > > > In fact after knowing that my limits to > > replying you were over, you are mow > > also unable to get further inputs from others > > who have realised that none can satisfy you, > > so you come back at me. > > > > Boss learn to be of gratitude. > > > > About 24 lakhs , I know very well > > that this is nothing. > > But I also know that this is something for > > anybody, and not anything for a somebody. > > > > In India in cities like > > Bombay, and Delhi , anyone who has just > > finished a MBA, and also doing > > CA currently get a starting offer of 30-40Lakhs > > from good companies, and I am among such people > > all the time being in the Mutual Fund industry. > > These are not more than 30 years old. > > > > This salary may not be considered big by you, > > but it is enough to feed a family, luxuriously. > > > > Please learn to have some gratitude, > > and remove the tendency to take out > > more and more from people and you will succeed > > moderately. And once you learn to help people you > > will succeed further. > > > > Yes You chart may be 100 times better than mines. > > If not then i can join hands in praying with you > > to make it better. > > > > I never said or meant that my word is the Brahma > > but i do not try to prove my elders wrong, > > and with no substance on my side. You are welcome > > to read many books shastras and all this. I > > am happy for you. > > > > You said about putting my chart and taking free > > predictions.I am sorry but I do not ask for free > > anything from anybody. > > > > best wishes, > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Respected bhaskar ji, > > > > > > I respect you, but it does not mean whatever comes on your mind > you > > > may type. you are not god and also you are not saint, you are > > simply > > > astrologer, and in this forum there are so many better > astrologers > > > having space. > > > > > > I am not hurt, because you told me that I will have billions, but > > if > > > you see my chart by cool and calm mind you can see my progress, I > > > have started my job in 1990 by 1500 Rs and in 17 yrs when i left > it > > > was 24 lacs plus perks , you can see how many people are Group VP > > HR > > > in age of 40 for (USD 7 BILLION) INR 25650 crore Group of > companies > > > in India. As you again and again did indirectly comment on me, > yes > > I > > > have taken loan from my friend, in humble words I use lines they > > feed > > > me. it does not mean i have given up, as you use the language > none > > of > > > other astrologer uses this type of language, as we can talk about > > > charts, I had seen your chart also, and I am very much sure i > have > > > 100 times better chart then yours. if do not belief Pls put your > > and > > > mine chart and ask free report from learned astrologers of this > > forum. > > > > > > as you talk about divinity, so I do not want to discuss on this, > i > > am > > > still kid of almighty and still I feel I am very humble, typing > or > > > talking like this as you did you say you are blunt I feel it is > > > totally nonsense, a astrologer must be mature like ocean, as > madam > > > wandy, vic ji, prashant ji, ramany ji, all of them did not talk > > like > > > this, they always answer my questions, in very good mood, even i > > > asked some childish questions also. > > > > > > As you are talking about knowledge of astrology, i read uncounted > > > books, and shastras, but i never try them to understand my own > > > horoscope, any time. > > > > > > kindly wait for time i will tell you, what happen in future, as u > > > believe that whatever you predicted is the script of lord Brahma, > > but > > > i know my self better, and i know what I can do. > > > > > > If I did not have any thing in me , I was not on this position > > today, > > > I was worried because this gap period first time it was so long, > > > which i never expect, and i have invested my savings in other > > things. > > > and I do not have any problem in my life except this gap period > in > > > job. > > > > > > Sir I request you when ever you type or reply do not thing you > are > > or > > > you may be better then other one, i still have good brand name > and > > > position in HR network, i did not got the job because there are > > very > > > less openings on top management level. > > > > > > kindly pardon me if i used some unwanted words. i seek help and > > > guidance and the answers of my questions from other learned > > > astrologers. > > > > > > i am very sorry moderator , but i am not use to listen this type > of > > > language. > > > > > > > > > kind regards with due respect > > > > > > deepak sharma > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > You are a good soul, and I do agree to what > > > > You have written, because I value the words > > > > of Guru Paramhansa Yogananda. > > > > The effects can be mitigated, but not by > > > > ordinary souls.Lot of japa and tapa has to > > > > go into deriving this. > > > > > > > > A person who has total disregards for anyones > > > > efforts and help and is unsatisfied and yearning > > > > for more and more, from all available sources, > > > > would not be the proper subject as on today > > > > (Maybe tomorrow ),to be expected to become the > > > > quick swift favourite dog whom you mentioned. > > > > A lady true to one man can only be,a favourite > > > > to one. > > > > > > > > For a normal mortal who has not yet scaled > > > > the depths of spiritualism , destiny just > > > > cannot be changed, is what was taught to me > > > > when i was learning the Nakshatra padhaty. > > > > It can be altered, the effects if malefic can > > > > be lessened but not totally removed from a > > > > mans Life. > > > > > > > > Now what was not taught is - > > > > A great amount of meditation, japa and tapa > > > > can have the power to change a mans fate , but > > > > how many can do such type of japa and tapa ? > > > > We are normally dealing with most ordinary men > > > > everyday who want to know more and more about > > > > themselves,but wishing to give nothing in return. > > > > > > > > A man asks about his love life. > > > > A man asks about his troubled marriage. > > > > A man asks about when he is going to earn more money. > > > > A man asks when he is going to buy a new house. > > > > A man asks when he is going to feed his family himself > > > > since he his family is being looked upon by his friends, > > > > and he wishes to know when he will stand on his > > > > own feet. Now when i tell him that he cannot earn Big money, > > > > but susbsitence levels are easy to obtain in his > > > > chart, then he comes out and tells me that his last > > > > salary was Rs 24 lakhs per annum. > > > > When he is asking us for our inputs, and when we give them > > > > to him, he writes back to us mentioning and referring me > > > > the shlokas and the text matter where this is cited. > > > > I feel sad at such mails. Do You think that > > > > these people need help ? No they can help themselves > > > > better than we can help them. > > > > > > > > I need help on the contrary from such people, > > > > as i could have spent time really on a poor > > > > needy soul instead. > > > > > > > > Destiny can also be changed by ashirvaad and shraap , > > > > means blessings and curses from saints or commoners . > > > > > > > > But for most of us ordinary folk, we are too much > > > > happy in our comfortable beds and rooms, after > > > > the days work, than rather be involved in the strict > > > > rigours of discipline and norms, which are requisites > > > > for one to change his destiny. > > > > > > > > Destiny cannot be changed for the 99.99% of > > > > the people we are dealing with, in day to day. > > > > Destiny may be possible to change for the > > > > 0.001% but then indications would be there in > > > > the chart about this. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , RajeevM <rajeevmundra@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Madam > > > > > > > > > > Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny > > unfold > > > > in my life > > > > > and some more, > > > > > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and > little > > > > there to > > > > > drastically or completely change the outcome a few years down > > the > > > > line. > > > > > > > > > > Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to > > > decipher. > > > > (no > > > > > dis-regard implied) > > > > > People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without > > even > > > > stating > > > > > once that their analysis is a small exercise in understanding > > > great > > > > > historical incarnations. Strange statements are made > regarding > > > Ram > > > > and > > > > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A few lines to the non-astrologer: > > > > > Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer suffers > > > from > > > > every > > > > > human weakness. (again no dis-regard) > > > > > So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, but > > > then > > > > dont > > > > > forget to ask yourself. > > > > > If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, > which > > > > cannot be > > > > > edited, then it would be better not having known it. > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for > > > > upliftment, and > > > > > that should be the goal and not just stating future events. > The > > > ole > > > > story > > > > > books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was changed > > by > > > > someone by > > > > > his actions. > > > > > > > > > > One example: > > > > > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot Divorce > in > > 1 > > > > month " , > > > > > The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal > > > discord > > > > for 1 > > > > > month " ... Why?!! > > > > > > > > > > Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god willing > a > > > > tenacious > > > > > person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! > > > > > > > > > > A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism > and > > > > editable > > > > > determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and > > examples > > > to > > > > believe > > > > > in the later. > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek > <jyotishvidya@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > > > > > ///It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus > > the > > > > > > importance of > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it > is > > > > only and > > > > > > only > > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but > its > > > not > > > > very > > > > > > hard > > > > > > either.// > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement. Not even > > the > > > > saints > > > > > > can escape their destiny. I'm reminded of two very, very > holy > > > men > > > > who > > > > > > suffered great physical infirmity during their closing > years. > > > At > > > > the same > > > > > > time I see many ordinary elderly people in their 90's > > enjoying > > > > excellent > > > > > > health and vigour (commensurate with their age of > > > course)...there > > > > are > > > > > > even some who are still actively involved in seniors sports > > > > competitions > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > I see deeply religious people suffering many hardships > whilst > > > > other more > > > > > > worldly (non spiritual) people prosper in all areas of > life. > > > > Destiny IS, > > > > > > plain and simple! But how we react to that destiny is what > > > > separates the > > > > > > saint from the ordinary person. I agree that regular > > meditation > > > > develops > > > > > > blissful undisturbed peace that remains unscathed by outward > > > > > > circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > But, you know, even THAT (one's desire to meditate on Lord > > Siva > > > > etc.) is > > > > > > preordained! If the desire is not there no amount of > cajoling > > > will > > > > > > convince someone to spend time in meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra@ <rajeevmundra%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% > > > > 40>> > > > > > > Monday, June 23, 2008 1:46 PM > > > > > > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepak ji > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > > > > > > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > > > > > > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above all > > your > > > un- > > > > divided > > > > > > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > > > > > > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus > the > > > > importance > > > > > > of > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, it > is > > > > only and > > > > > > only > > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but > its > > > not > > > > very > > > > > > hard > > > > > > either. > > > > > > It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand > from > > > door > > > > to door > > > > > > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to understand > > > > themselves to > > > > > > be > > > > > > able to better design their future. > > > > > > > > > > > > The persistence with which you have been chasing learned > > > humans, > > > > its > > > > > > great, > > > > > > but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, and > feel > > > the > > > > > > difference. > > > > > > He will open the right door at the right time and give you > > the > > > > right > > > > > > thought > > > > > > as you enter that right door. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and some > > great, > > > > but let > > > > > > me > > > > > > say one thing, > > > > > > you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. Make > > Shiv > > > > your > > > > > > co-architect. > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 i am sorry bhaskarji i am not taling about Bhavat bhavam i am talking about BHAVARTH BHAVAM both are diffrent, and pls if you want to know about me you can call niket ji and talk to him he is your's very good friend. i am again sorry pls close this threats, becaue it brings bitterness in us, and their is no need of bitterness as i consider you as my brother , so pls forgive me, but pls do not make surfacely coments, i am sure if you spend 6 hrs not 6 hrs only one hrs, you will change lot of things, you will find some more good things, i hope. beacause bad i know very well . rgds deepak sharma jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear Deepakji, > > Good words full of gratitude. > Thanks so much. > If You can kindly let me have your contact > number, then i can send you the first book > of my first year at Bhartiya Vidya > Bhuvan at Bombay, where we were taught about > Bhavat Bhavam. > I also wish to know you are a real person here > which would be confirmed if you put your Phone > number here. > > regards, > Bhaskar, > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > wrote: > > > > respected bhaskarji, > > i respect your words but you have taken in wrong meanings, i never > > hurt you in my privious mails, and i yes i am not satisfied with > your > > answers, because you did not gone through with my complete > horoscope, > > only surfacely you have seen and you also told that it is not a > > reading, when you did not read my horo then what are the value of > > pridictions. > > > > as i told about bhavarth bhavam i am still right you may check the > > pandulipi of that book, i think that must be available in Mumbai > > university library otherwise it is available in Varansi hindu > > vishwvidyala. > > > > pls do not get hurt as u hurt i also hurt , when you unwantedly > quote > > the things, which you do not know, kindly do not react without > > understanding the things deeply, and do not get anger with all, > first > > you try to understand knowledge is ocean, it is not necessarry that > > we are able to understand the script of lord brhama. > > > > may be only 10% you can guess, but still few people have more or > less > > understanding. > > > > so pls kind enough, i rcvd kind reply by madam wendy ji, vic ji, > > ramani ji, prashant ji , i am very much satisfied with them, and i > > want to explore more things thats why i asked again some question, > > knowing astrology and asking about the own horo i do not think is > sin. > > > > pls do not answer my mails, if you see my all mails i never made > any > > request to you for a reading of my horo, because i know you nature > > very well, you see things only surfacely, and having half bookish > > knowledge. > > > > i am a student and i am learning through varous method, pls take > care > > do not make your self sufffer by inferiority complex in comp of > other > > astrologers. > > > > you are very good person - if you keep shanti, and control on your > > behaviour, and on your writing skill, do not try to be the last > > astrologer on earth. > > > > kind regards > > > > deepak sharma > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Respected deepakji, > > > > > > Good that you replied . This gives me a chance > > > to reply you. > > > > > > See you have done a lot of teasing here to the > > > astrologers. First you say that your family is > > > fed by people, ( This is not being humble but > > > trying to get pity and readings from all ) > > > and you wish to know when you will stand on your > > > own feet and be able to feed them. > > > Then you say, that I earnt 24 lakhs rupees per > > > annum. A person who earns 24 lakhs per annum > > > does not have anything to feed the family > > > is very much strange ? Did you not save enough > > > and just last year you had so much and now nothing ? > > > > > > Next you tell me about Bhavat Bhavam and tell me > > > where to find the sources. You tried to > > > say that I know nothing of Bhavat Bhavam and I > > > was given the paras ( Shlokas ) to read by you. > > > yet I was humble and did not tell you > > > that what you were saying about saturn in 6,8,12 > > > etc. is not a talk about Bhavat Bhavam at all. > > > > > > Next you write to others saying Bhaskarji > > > has not given satisfactory reply > > > and your query lies unasnwered. If this is not > > > teasing then what is it ? > > > > > > In fact after knowing that my limits to > > > replying you were over, you are mow > > > also unable to get further inputs from others > > > who have realised that none can satisfy you, > > > so you come back at me. > > > > > > Boss learn to be of gratitude. > > > > > > About 24 lakhs , I know very well > > > that this is nothing. > > > But I also know that this is something for > > > anybody, and not anything for a somebody. > > > > > > In India in cities like > > > Bombay, and Delhi , anyone who has just > > > finished a MBA, and also doing > > > CA currently get a starting offer of 30-40Lakhs > > > from good companies, and I am among such people > > > all the time being in the Mutual Fund industry. > > > These are not more than 30 years old. > > > > > > This salary may not be considered big by you, > > > but it is enough to feed a family, luxuriously. > > > > > > Please learn to have some gratitude, > > > and remove the tendency to take out > > > more and more from people and you will succeed > > > moderately. And once you learn to help people you > > > will succeed further. > > > > > > Yes You chart may be 100 times better than mines. > > > If not then i can join hands in praying with you > > > to make it better. > > > > > > I never said or meant that my word is the Brahma > > > but i do not try to prove my elders wrong, > > > and with no substance on my side. You are welcome > > > to read many books shastras and all this. I > > > am happy for you. > > > > > > You said about putting my chart and taking free > > > predictions.I am sorry but I do not ask for free > > > anything from anybody. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > I respect you, but it does not mean whatever comes on your mind > > you > > > > may type. you are not god and also you are not saint, you are > > > simply > > > > astrologer, and in this forum there are so many better > > astrologers > > > > having space. > > > > > > > > I am not hurt, because you told me that I will have billions, > but > > > if > > > > you see my chart by cool and calm mind you can see my progress, > I > > > > have started my job in 1990 by 1500 Rs and in 17 yrs when i > left > > it > > > > was 24 lacs plus perks , you can see how many people are Group > VP > > > HR > > > > in age of 40 for (USD 7 BILLION) INR 25650 crore Group of > > companies > > > > in India. As you again and again did indirectly comment on me, > > yes > > > I > > > > have taken loan from my friend, in humble words I use lines > they > > > feed > > > > me. it does not mean i have given up, as you use the language > > none > > > of > > > > other astrologer uses this type of language, as we can talk > about > > > > charts, I had seen your chart also, and I am very much sure i > > have > > > > 100 times better chart then yours. if do not belief Pls put > your > > > and > > > > mine chart and ask free report from learned astrologers of this > > > forum. > > > > > > > > as you talk about divinity, so I do not want to discuss on > this, > > i > > > am > > > > still kid of almighty and still I feel I am very humble, > typing > > or > > > > talking like this as you did you say you are blunt I feel it is > > > > totally nonsense, a astrologer must be mature like ocean, as > > madam > > > > wandy, vic ji, prashant ji, ramany ji, all of them did not talk > > > like > > > > this, they always answer my questions, in very good mood, even > i > > > > asked some childish questions also. > > > > > > > > As you are talking about knowledge of astrology, i read > uncounted > > > > books, and shastras, but i never try them to understand my own > > > > horoscope, any time. > > > > > > > > kindly wait for time i will tell you, what happen in future, as > u > > > > believe that whatever you predicted is the script of lord > Brahma, > > > but > > > > i know my self better, and i know what I can do. > > > > > > > > If I did not have any thing in me , I was not on this position > > > today, > > > > I was worried because this gap period first time it was so > long, > > > > which i never expect, and i have invested my savings in other > > > things. > > > > and I do not have any problem in my life except this gap period > > in > > > > job. > > > > > > > > Sir I request you when ever you type or reply do not thing you > > are > > > or > > > > you may be better then other one, i still have good brand name > > and > > > > position in HR network, i did not got the job because there are > > > very > > > > less openings on top management level. > > > > > > > > kindly pardon me if i used some unwanted words. i seek help and > > > > guidance and the answers of my questions from other learned > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > i am very sorry moderator , but i am not use to listen this > type > > of > > > > language. > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards with due respect > > > > > > > > deepak sharma > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > > > You are a good soul, and I do agree to what > > > > > You have written, because I value the words > > > > > of Guru Paramhansa Yogananda. > > > > > The effects can be mitigated, but not by > > > > > ordinary souls.Lot of japa and tapa has to > > > > > go into deriving this. > > > > > > > > > > A person who has total disregards for anyones > > > > > efforts and help and is unsatisfied and yearning > > > > > for more and more, from all available sources, > > > > > would not be the proper subject as on today > > > > > (Maybe tomorrow ),to be expected to become the > > > > > quick swift favourite dog whom you mentioned. > > > > > A lady true to one man can only be,a favourite > > > > > to one. > > > > > > > > > > For a normal mortal who has not yet scaled > > > > > the depths of spiritualism , destiny just > > > > > cannot be changed, is what was taught to me > > > > > when i was learning the Nakshatra padhaty. > > > > > It can be altered, the effects if malefic can > > > > > be lessened but not totally removed from a > > > > > mans Life. > > > > > > > > > > Now what was not taught is - > > > > > A great amount of meditation, japa and tapa > > > > > can have the power to change a mans fate , but > > > > > how many can do such type of japa and tapa ? > > > > > We are normally dealing with most ordinary men > > > > > everyday who want to know more and more about > > > > > themselves,but wishing to give nothing in return. > > > > > > > > > > A man asks about his love life. > > > > > A man asks about his troubled marriage. > > > > > A man asks about when he is going to earn more money. > > > > > A man asks when he is going to buy a new house. > > > > > A man asks when he is going to feed his family himself > > > > > since he his family is being looked upon by his friends, > > > > > and he wishes to know when he will stand on his > > > > > own feet. Now when i tell him that he cannot earn Big money, > > > > > but susbsitence levels are easy to obtain in his > > > > > chart, then he comes out and tells me that his last > > > > > salary was Rs 24 lakhs per annum. > > > > > When he is asking us for our inputs, and when we give them > > > > > to him, he writes back to us mentioning and referring me > > > > > the shlokas and the text matter where this is cited. > > > > > I feel sad at such mails. Do You think that > > > > > these people need help ? No they can help themselves > > > > > better than we can help them. > > > > > > > > > > I need help on the contrary from such people, > > > > > as i could have spent time really on a poor > > > > > needy soul instead. > > > > > > > > > > Destiny can also be changed by ashirvaad and shraap , > > > > > means blessings and curses from saints or commoners . > > > > > > > > > > But for most of us ordinary folk, we are too much > > > > > happy in our comfortable beds and rooms, after > > > > > the days work, than rather be involved in the strict > > > > > rigours of discipline and norms, which are requisites > > > > > for one to change his destiny. > > > > > > > > > > Destiny cannot be changed for the 99.99% of > > > > > the people we are dealing with, in day to day. > > > > > Destiny may be possible to change for the > > > > > 0.001% but then indications would be there in > > > > > the chart about this. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , RajeevM <rajeevmundra@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Madam > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny > > > unfold > > > > > in my life > > > > > > and some more, > > > > > > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and > > little > > > > > there to > > > > > > drastically or completely change the outcome a few years > down > > > the > > > > > line. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to > > > > decipher. > > > > > (no > > > > > > dis-regard implied) > > > > > > People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without > > > even > > > > > stating > > > > > > once that their analysis is a small exercise in > understanding > > > > great > > > > > > historical incarnations. Strange statements are made > > regarding > > > > Ram > > > > > and > > > > > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A few lines to the non-astrologer: > > > > > > Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer > suffers > > > > from > > > > > every > > > > > > human weakness. (again no dis-regard) > > > > > > So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, > but > > > > then > > > > > dont > > > > > > forget to ask yourself. > > > > > > If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, > > which > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > edited, then it would be better not having known it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for > > > > > upliftment, and > > > > > > that should be the goal and not just stating future events. > > The > > > > ole > > > > > story > > > > > > books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was > changed > > > by > > > > > someone by > > > > > > his actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > One example: > > > > > > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot > Divorce > > in > > > 1 > > > > > month " , > > > > > > The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal > > > > discord > > > > > for 1 > > > > > > month " ... Why?!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god > willing > > a > > > > > tenacious > > > > > > person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism > > and > > > > > editable > > > > > > determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and > > > examples > > > > to > > > > > believe > > > > > > in the later. > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek > > <jyotishvidya@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. > thus > > > the > > > > > > > importance of > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, > it > > is > > > > > only and > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but > > its > > > > not > > > > > very > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > either.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement. Not > even > > > the > > > > > saints > > > > > > > can escape their destiny. I'm reminded of two very, very > > holy > > > > men > > > > > who > > > > > > > suffered great physical infirmity during their closing > > years. > > > > At > > > > > the same > > > > > > > time I see many ordinary elderly people in their 90's > > > enjoying > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > health and vigour (commensurate with their age of > > > > course)...there > > > > > are > > > > > > > even some who are still actively involved in seniors > sports > > > > > competitions > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see deeply religious people suffering many hardships > > whilst > > > > > other more > > > > > > > worldly (non spiritual) people prosper in all areas of > > life. > > > > > Destiny IS, > > > > > > > plain and simple! But how we react to that destiny is > what > > > > > separates the > > > > > > > saint from the ordinary person. I agree that regular > > > meditation > > > > > develops > > > > > > > blissful undisturbed peace that remains unscathed by > outward > > > > > > > circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, you know, even THAT (one's desire to meditate on > Lord > > > Siva > > > > > etc.) is > > > > > > > preordained! If the desire is not there no amount of > > cajoling > > > > will > > > > > > > convince someone to spend time in meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra@ <rajeevmundra% 40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% > > > > > 40>> > > > > > > > Monday, June 23, 2008 1:46 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepak ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > > > > > > > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > > > > > > > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above all > > > your > > > > un- > > > > > divided > > > > > > > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > > > > > > > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus > > the > > > > > importance > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, > it > > is > > > > > only and > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but > > its > > > > not > > > > > very > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > either. > > > > > > > It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand > > from > > > > door > > > > > to door > > > > > > > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to understand > > > > > themselves to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > able to better design their future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The persistence with which you have been chasing learned > > > > humans, > > > > > its > > > > > > > great, > > > > > > > but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, and > > feel > > > > the > > > > > > > difference. > > > > > > > He will open the right door at the right time and give > you > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > as you enter that right door. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and some > > > great, > > > > > but let > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > say one thing, > > > > > > > you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. Make > > > Shiv > > > > > your > > > > > > > co-architect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 i have also one complaint because you did not read my horo and even not told me that when i will get the new job. this question was also ananswered by you, so tell me what the value of other things, you left the prime things. hope you will reply. rgds deepak sharma jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000 wrote: > > i am sorry bhaskarji i am not taling about Bhavat bhavam i am talking > about BHAVARTH BHAVAM both are diffrent, and pls if you want to know > about me you can call niket ji and talk to him he is your's very good > friend. > > i am again sorry pls close this threats, becaue it brings bitterness > in us, and their is no need of bitterness as i consider you as my > brother , so pls forgive me, but pls do not make surfacely coments, i > am sure if you spend 6 hrs not 6 hrs only one hrs, you will change > lot of things, you will find some more good things, i hope. > > beacause bad i know very well . > > rgds > deepak sharma > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Deepakji, > > > > Good words full of gratitude. > > Thanks so much. > > If You can kindly let me have your contact > > number, then i can send you the first book > > of my first year at Bhartiya Vidya > > Bhuvan at Bombay, where we were taught about > > Bhavat Bhavam. > > I also wish to know you are a real person here > > which would be confirmed if you put your Phone > > number here. > > > > regards, > > Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > > wrote: > > > > > > respected bhaskarji, > > > i respect your words but you have taken in wrong meanings, i > never > > > hurt you in my privious mails, and i yes i am not satisfied with > > your > > > answers, because you did not gone through with my complete > > horoscope, > > > only surfacely you have seen and you also told that it is not a > > > reading, when you did not read my horo then what are the value of > > > pridictions. > > > > > > as i told about bhavarth bhavam i am still right you may check > the > > > pandulipi of that book, i think that must be available in Mumbai > > > university library otherwise it is available in Varansi hindu > > > vishwvidyala. > > > > > > pls do not get hurt as u hurt i also hurt , when you unwantedly > > quote > > > the things, which you do not know, kindly do not react without > > > understanding the things deeply, and do not get anger with all, > > first > > > you try to understand knowledge is ocean, it is not necessarry > that > > > we are able to understand the script of lord brhama. > > > > > > may be only 10% you can guess, but still few people have more or > > less > > > understanding. > > > > > > so pls kind enough, i rcvd kind reply by madam wendy ji, vic ji, > > > ramani ji, prashant ji , i am very much satisfied with them, and > i > > > want to explore more things thats why i asked again some > question, > > > knowing astrology and asking about the own horo i do not think is > > sin. > > > > > > pls do not answer my mails, if you see my all mails i never made > > any > > > request to you for a reading of my horo, because i know you > nature > > > very well, you see things only surfacely, and having half bookish > > > knowledge. > > > > > > i am a student and i am learning through varous method, pls take > > care > > > do not make your self sufffer by inferiority complex in comp of > > other > > > astrologers. > > > > > > you are very good person - if you keep shanti, and control on > your > > > behaviour, and on your writing skill, do not try to be the last > > > astrologer on earth. > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > deepak sharma > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected deepakji, > > > > > > > > Good that you replied . This gives me a chance > > > > to reply you. > > > > > > > > See you have done a lot of teasing here to the > > > > astrologers. First you say that your family is > > > > fed by people, ( This is not being humble but > > > > trying to get pity and readings from all ) > > > > and you wish to know when you will stand on your > > > > own feet and be able to feed them. > > > > Then you say, that I earnt 24 lakhs rupees per > > > > annum. A person who earns 24 lakhs per annum > > > > does not have anything to feed the family > > > > is very much strange ? Did you not save enough > > > > and just last year you had so much and now nothing ? > > > > > > > > Next you tell me about Bhavat Bhavam and tell me > > > > where to find the sources. You tried to > > > > say that I know nothing of Bhavat Bhavam and I > > > > was given the paras ( Shlokas ) to read by you. > > > > yet I was humble and did not tell you > > > > that what you were saying about saturn in 6,8,12 > > > > etc. is not a talk about Bhavat Bhavam at all. > > > > > > > > Next you write to others saying Bhaskarji > > > > has not given satisfactory reply > > > > and your query lies unasnwered. If this is not > > > > teasing then what is it ? > > > > > > > > In fact after knowing that my limits to > > > > replying you were over, you are mow > > > > also unable to get further inputs from others > > > > who have realised that none can satisfy you, > > > > so you come back at me. > > > > > > > > Boss learn to be of gratitude. > > > > > > > > About 24 lakhs , I know very well > > > > that this is nothing. > > > > But I also know that this is something for > > > > anybody, and not anything for a somebody. > > > > > > > > In India in cities like > > > > Bombay, and Delhi , anyone who has just > > > > finished a MBA, and also doing > > > > CA currently get a starting offer of 30-40Lakhs > > > > from good companies, and I am among such people > > > > all the time being in the Mutual Fund industry. > > > > These are not more than 30 years old. > > > > > > > > This salary may not be considered big by you, > > > > but it is enough to feed a family, luxuriously. > > > > > > > > Please learn to have some gratitude, > > > > and remove the tendency to take out > > > > more and more from people and you will succeed > > > > moderately. And once you learn to help people you > > > > will succeed further. > > > > > > > > Yes You chart may be 100 times better than mines. > > > > If not then i can join hands in praying with you > > > > to make it better. > > > > > > > > I never said or meant that my word is the Brahma > > > > but i do not try to prove my elders wrong, > > > > and with no substance on my side. You are welcome > > > > to read many books shastras and all this. I > > > > am happy for you. > > > > > > > > You said about putting my chart and taking free > > > > predictions.I am sorry but I do not ask for free > > > > anything from anybody. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > I respect you, but it does not mean whatever comes on your > mind > > > you > > > > > may type. you are not god and also you are not saint, you are > > > > simply > > > > > astrologer, and in this forum there are so many better > > > astrologers > > > > > having space. > > > > > > > > > > I am not hurt, because you told me that I will have billions, > > but > > > > if > > > > > you see my chart by cool and calm mind you can see my > progress, > > I > > > > > have started my job in 1990 by 1500 Rs and in 17 yrs when i > > left > > > it > > > > > was 24 lacs plus perks , you can see how many people are > Group > > VP > > > > HR > > > > > in age of 40 for (USD 7 BILLION) INR 25650 crore Group of > > > companies > > > > > in India. As you again and again did indirectly comment on > me, > > > yes > > > > I > > > > > have taken loan from my friend, in humble words I use lines > > they > > > > feed > > > > > me. it does not mean i have given up, as you use the language > > > none > > > > of > > > > > other astrologer uses this type of language, as we can talk > > about > > > > > charts, I had seen your chart also, and I am very much sure i > > > have > > > > > 100 times better chart then yours. if do not belief Pls put > > your > > > > and > > > > > mine chart and ask free report from learned astrologers of > this > > > > forum. > > > > > > > > > > as you talk about divinity, so I do not want to discuss on > > this, > > > i > > > > am > > > > > still kid of almighty and still I feel I am very humble, > > typing > > > or > > > > > talking like this as you did you say you are blunt I feel it > is > > > > > totally nonsense, a astrologer must be mature like ocean, as > > > madam > > > > > wandy, vic ji, prashant ji, ramany ji, all of them did not > talk > > > > like > > > > > this, they always answer my questions, in very good mood, > even > > i > > > > > asked some childish questions also. > > > > > > > > > > As you are talking about knowledge of astrology, i read > > uncounted > > > > > books, and shastras, but i never try them to understand my > own > > > > > horoscope, any time. > > > > > > > > > > kindly wait for time i will tell you, what happen in future, > as > > u > > > > > believe that whatever you predicted is the script of lord > > Brahma, > > > > but > > > > > i know my self better, and i know what I can do. > > > > > > > > > > If I did not have any thing in me , I was not on this > position > > > > today, > > > > > I was worried because this gap period first time it was so > > long, > > > > > which i never expect, and i have invested my savings in other > > > > things. > > > > > and I do not have any problem in my life except this gap > period > > > in > > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > Sir I request you when ever you type or reply do not thing > you > > > are > > > > or > > > > > you may be better then other one, i still have good brand > name > > > and > > > > > position in HR network, i did not got the job because there > are > > > > very > > > > > less openings on top management level. > > > > > > > > > > kindly pardon me if i used some unwanted words. i seek help > and > > > > > guidance and the answers of my questions from other learned > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > i am very sorry moderator , but i am not use to listen this > > type > > > of > > > > > language. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards with due respect > > > > > > > > > > deepak sharma > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > > > > > You are a good soul, and I do agree to what > > > > > > You have written, because I value the words > > > > > > of Guru Paramhansa Yogananda. > > > > > > The effects can be mitigated, but not by > > > > > > ordinary souls.Lot of japa and tapa has to > > > > > > go into deriving this. > > > > > > > > > > > > A person who has total disregards for anyones > > > > > > efforts and help and is unsatisfied and yearning > > > > > > for more and more, from all available sources, > > > > > > would not be the proper subject as on today > > > > > > (Maybe tomorrow ),to be expected to become the > > > > > > quick swift favourite dog whom you mentioned. > > > > > > A lady true to one man can only be,a favourite > > > > > > to one. > > > > > > > > > > > > For a normal mortal who has not yet scaled > > > > > > the depths of spiritualism , destiny just > > > > > > cannot be changed, is what was taught to me > > > > > > when i was learning the Nakshatra padhaty. > > > > > > It can be altered, the effects if malefic can > > > > > > be lessened but not totally removed from a > > > > > > mans Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now what was not taught is - > > > > > > A great amount of meditation, japa and tapa > > > > > > can have the power to change a mans fate , but > > > > > > how many can do such type of japa and tapa ? > > > > > > We are normally dealing with most ordinary men > > > > > > everyday who want to know more and more about > > > > > > themselves,but wishing to give nothing in return. > > > > > > > > > > > > A man asks about his love life. > > > > > > A man asks about his troubled marriage. > > > > > > A man asks about when he is going to earn more money. > > > > > > A man asks when he is going to buy a new house. > > > > > > A man asks when he is going to feed his family himself > > > > > > since he his family is being looked upon by his friends, > > > > > > and he wishes to know when he will stand on his > > > > > > own feet. Now when i tell him that he cannot earn Big money, > > > > > > but susbsitence levels are easy to obtain in his > > > > > > chart, then he comes out and tells me that his last > > > > > > salary was Rs 24 lakhs per annum. > > > > > > When he is asking us for our inputs, and when we give them > > > > > > to him, he writes back to us mentioning and referring me > > > > > > the shlokas and the text matter where this is cited. > > > > > > I feel sad at such mails. Do You think that > > > > > > these people need help ? No they can help themselves > > > > > > better than we can help them. > > > > > > > > > > > > I need help on the contrary from such people, > > > > > > as i could have spent time really on a poor > > > > > > needy soul instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > Destiny can also be changed by ashirvaad and shraap , > > > > > > means blessings and curses from saints or commoners . > > > > > > > > > > > > But for most of us ordinary folk, we are too much > > > > > > happy in our comfortable beds and rooms, after > > > > > > the days work, than rather be involved in the strict > > > > > > rigours of discipline and norms, which are requisites > > > > > > for one to change his destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > Destiny cannot be changed for the 99.99% of > > > > > > the people we are dealing with, in day to day. > > > > > > Destiny may be possible to change for the > > > > > > 0.001% but then indications would be there in > > > > > > the chart about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , RajeevM > <rajeevmundra@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Madam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see > destiny > > > > unfold > > > > > > in my life > > > > > > > and some more, > > > > > > > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and > > > little > > > > > > there to > > > > > > > drastically or completely change the outcome a few years > > down > > > > the > > > > > > line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to > > > > > decipher. > > > > > > (no > > > > > > > dis-regard implied) > > > > > > > People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts > without > > > > even > > > > > > stating > > > > > > > once that their analysis is a small exercise in > > understanding > > > > > great > > > > > > > historical incarnations. Strange statements are made > > > regarding > > > > > Ram > > > > > > and > > > > > > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A few lines to the non-astrologer: > > > > > > > Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer > > suffers > > > > > from > > > > > > every > > > > > > > human weakness. (again no dis-regard) > > > > > > > So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, > > but > > > > > then > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > forget to ask yourself. > > > > > > > If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, > > > which > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > edited, then it would be better not having known it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for > > > > > > upliftment, and > > > > > > > that should be the goal and not just stating future > events. > > > The > > > > > ole > > > > > > story > > > > > > > books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was > > changed > > > > by > > > > > > someone by > > > > > > > his actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One example: > > > > > > > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot > > Divorce > > > in > > > > 1 > > > > > > month " , > > > > > > > The same chart combination in India may mean " some > conjugal > > > > > discord > > > > > > for 1 > > > > > > > month " ... Why?!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god > > willing > > > a > > > > > > tenacious > > > > > > > person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of examples can be presented for absolute > determinism > > > and > > > > > > editable > > > > > > > determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and > > > > examples > > > > > to > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > in the later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek > > > <jyotishvidya@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. > > thus > > > > the > > > > > > > > importance of > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, > > it > > > is > > > > > > only and > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, > but > > > its > > > > > not > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > either.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement. Not > > even > > > > the > > > > > > saints > > > > > > > > can escape their destiny. I'm reminded of two very, > very > > > holy > > > > > men > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > suffered great physical infirmity during their closing > > > years. > > > > > At > > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > time I see many ordinary elderly people in their 90's > > > > enjoying > > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > health and vigour (commensurate with their age of > > > > > course)...there > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > even some who are still actively involved in seniors > > sports > > > > > > competitions > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see deeply religious people suffering many hardships > > > whilst > > > > > > other more > > > > > > > > worldly (non spiritual) people prosper in all areas of > > > life. > > > > > > Destiny IS, > > > > > > > > plain and simple! But how we react to that destiny is > > what > > > > > > separates the > > > > > > > > saint from the ordinary person. I agree that regular > > > > meditation > > > > > > develops > > > > > > > > blissful undisturbed peace that remains unscathed by > > outward > > > > > > > > circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, you know, even THAT (one's desire to meditate on > > Lord > > > > Siva > > > > > > etc.) is > > > > > > > > preordained! If the desire is not there no amount of > > > cajoling > > > > > will > > > > > > > > convince someone to spend time in meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra@ <rajeevmundra% > 40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% > > > > > > 40>> > > > > > > > > Monday, June 23, 2008 1:46 PM > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepak ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > > > > > > > > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > > > > > > > > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above > all > > > > your > > > > > un- > > > > > > divided > > > > > > > > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > > > > > > > > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. > thus > > > the > > > > > > importance > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, > > it > > > is > > > > > > only and > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, > but > > > its > > > > > not > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand > > > from > > > > > door > > > > > > to door > > > > > > > > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to > understand > > > > > > themselves to > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > able to better design their future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The persistence with which you have been chasing > learned > > > > > humans, > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > great, > > > > > > > > but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, > and > > > feel > > > > > the > > > > > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > He will open the right door at the right time and give > > you > > > > the > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > as you enter that right door. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and > some > > > > great, > > > > > > but let > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > say one thing, > > > > > > > > you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. > Make > > > > Shiv > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > co-architect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Dear deepakji, How could I have not read Your Horoscope ? You must read the previous mails from the start. From calculation of ghati pal to birth time and vice versa and making 2 Horoscopes and checking the same. And the discussions that followed, were also having contents about your profession. I will not do this searching for you of what I have written where , to you.. Yet after all this if you say that I have not read your horoscope, then its fine. I understand that this is a part of the major conspiracy of removing me from all the Forums of astrology, and you have succeeded here too. Because now I have no heart to continue further' after so many accusations hurled by'you at me. And none to check yuor mails. I will reply you further only if you are able to prove your authenticty by giving'me your real name and contact numbers. Not on my personal id but right here. Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000 wrote: > > i have also one complaint because you did not read my horo and even > not told me that when i will get the new job. this question was also > ananswered by you, so tell me what the value of other things, you > left the prime things. > > hope you will reply. > > rgds > deepak sharma > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > wrote: > > > > i am sorry bhaskarji i am not taling about Bhavat bhavam i am > talking > > about BHAVARTH BHAVAM both are diffrent, and pls if you want to > know > > about me you can call niket ji and talk to him he is your's very > good > > friend. > > > > i am again sorry pls close this threats, becaue it brings > bitterness > > in us, and their is no need of bitterness as i consider you as my > > brother , so pls forgive me, but pls do not make surfacely coments, > i > > am sure if you spend 6 hrs not 6 hrs only one hrs, you will change > > lot of things, you will find some more good things, i hope. > > > > beacause bad i know very well . > > > > rgds > > deepak sharma > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Deepakji, > > > > > > Good words full of gratitude. > > > Thanks so much. > > > If You can kindly let me have your contact > > > number, then i can send you the first book > > > of my first year at Bhartiya Vidya > > > Bhuvan at Bombay, where we were taught about > > > Bhavat Bhavam. > > > I also wish to know you are a real person here > > > which would be confirmed if you put your Phone > > > number here. > > > > > > regards, > > > Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > respected bhaskarji, > > > > i respect your words but you have taken in wrong meanings, i > > never > > > > hurt you in my privious mails, and i yes i am not satisfied > with > > > your > > > > answers, because you did not gone through with my complete > > > horoscope, > > > > only surfacely you have seen and you also told that it is not a > > > > reading, when you did not read my horo then what are the value > of > > > > pridictions. > > > > > > > > as i told about bhavarth bhavam i am still right you may check > > the > > > > pandulipi of that book, i think that must be available in > Mumbai > > > > university library otherwise it is available in Varansi hindu > > > > vishwvidyala. > > > > > > > > pls do not get hurt as u hurt i also hurt , when you unwantedly > > > quote > > > > the things, which you do not know, kindly do not react without > > > > understanding the things deeply, and do not get anger with all, > > > first > > > > you try to understand knowledge is ocean, it is not necessarry > > that > > > > we are able to understand the script of lord brhama. > > > > > > > > may be only 10% you can guess, but still few people have more > or > > > less > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > so pls kind enough, i rcvd kind reply by madam wendy ji, vic > ji, > > > > ramani ji, prashant ji , i am very much satisfied with them, > and > > i > > > > want to explore more things thats why i asked again some > > question, > > > > knowing astrology and asking about the own horo i do not think > is > > > sin. > > > > > > > > pls do not answer my mails, if you see my all mails i never > made > > > any > > > > request to you for a reading of my horo, because i know you > > nature > > > > very well, you see things only surfacely, and having half > bookish > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > i am a student and i am learning through varous method, pls > take > > > care > > > > do not make your self sufffer by inferiority complex in comp of > > > other > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > you are very good person - if you keep shanti, and control on > > your > > > > behaviour, and on your writing skill, do not try to be the last > > > > astrologer on earth. > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > > deepak sharma > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected deepakji, > > > > > > > > > > Good that you replied . This gives me a chance > > > > > to reply you. > > > > > > > > > > See you have done a lot of teasing here to the > > > > > astrologers. First you say that your family is > > > > > fed by people, ( This is not being humble but > > > > > trying to get pity and readings from all ) > > > > > and you wish to know when you will stand on your > > > > > own feet and be able to feed them. > > > > > Then you say, that I earnt 24 lakhs rupees per > > > > > annum. A person who earns 24 lakhs per annum > > > > > does not have anything to feed the family > > > > > is very much strange ? Did you not save enough > > > > > and just last year you had so much and now nothing ? > > > > > > > > > > Next you tell me about Bhavat Bhavam and tell me > > > > > where to find the sources. You tried to > > > > > say that I know nothing of Bhavat Bhavam and I > > > > > was given the paras ( Shlokas ) to read by you. > > > > > yet I was humble and did not tell you > > > > > that what you were saying about saturn in 6,8,12 > > > > > etc. is not a talk about Bhavat Bhavam at all. > > > > > > > > > > Next you write to others saying Bhaskarji > > > > > has not given satisfactory reply > > > > > and your query lies unasnwered. If this is not > > > > > teasing then what is it ? > > > > > > > > > > In fact after knowing that my limits to > > > > > replying you were over, you are mow > > > > > also unable to get further inputs from others > > > > > who have realised that none can satisfy you, > > > > > so you come back at me. > > > > > > > > > > Boss learn to be of gratitude. > > > > > > > > > > About 24 lakhs , I know very well > > > > > that this is nothing. > > > > > But I also know that this is something for > > > > > anybody, and not anything for a somebody. > > > > > > > > > > In India in cities like > > > > > Bombay, and Delhi , anyone who has just > > > > > finished a MBA, and also doing > > > > > CA currently get a starting offer of 30-40Lakhs > > > > > from good companies, and I am among such people > > > > > all the time being in the Mutual Fund industry. > > > > > These are not more than 30 years old. > > > > > > > > > > This salary may not be considered big by you, > > > > > but it is enough to feed a family, luxuriously. > > > > > > > > > > Please learn to have some gratitude, > > > > > and remove the tendency to take out > > > > > more and more from people and you will succeed > > > > > moderately. And once you learn to help people you > > > > > will succeed further. > > > > > > > > > > Yes You chart may be 100 times better than mines. > > > > > If not then i can join hands in praying with you > > > > > to make it better. > > > > > > > > > > I never said or meant that my word is the Brahma > > > > > but i do not try to prove my elders wrong, > > > > > and with no substance on my side. You are welcome > > > > > to read many books shastras and all this. I > > > > > am happy for you. > > > > > > > > > > You said about putting my chart and taking free > > > > > predictions.I am sorry but I do not ask for free > > > > > anything from anybody. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > I respect you, but it does not mean whatever comes on your > > mind > > > > you > > > > > > may type. you are not god and also you are not saint, you > are > > > > > simply > > > > > > astrologer, and in this forum there are so many better > > > > astrologers > > > > > > having space. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not hurt, because you told me that I will have > billions, > > > but > > > > > if > > > > > > you see my chart by cool and calm mind you can see my > > progress, > > > I > > > > > > have started my job in 1990 by 1500 Rs and in 17 yrs when i > > > left > > > > it > > > > > > was 24 lacs plus perks , you can see how many people are > > Group > > > VP > > > > > HR > > > > > > in age of 40 for (USD 7 BILLION) INR 25650 crore Group of > > > > companies > > > > > > in India. As you again and again did indirectly comment on > > me, > > > > yes > > > > > I > > > > > > have taken loan from my friend, in humble words I use lines > > > they > > > > > feed > > > > > > me. it does not mean i have given up, as you use the > language > > > > none > > > > > of > > > > > > other astrologer uses this type of language, as we can talk > > > about > > > > > > charts, I had seen your chart also, and I am very much sure > i > > > > have > > > > > > 100 times better chart then yours. if do not belief Pls put > > > your > > > > > and > > > > > > mine chart and ask free report from learned astrologers of > > this > > > > > forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > as you talk about divinity, so I do not want to discuss on > > > this, > > > > i > > > > > am > > > > > > still kid of almighty and still I feel I am very humble, > > > typing > > > > or > > > > > > talking like this as you did you say you are blunt I feel > it > > is > > > > > > totally nonsense, a astrologer must be mature like ocean, > as > > > > madam > > > > > > wandy, vic ji, prashant ji, ramany ji, all of them did not > > talk > > > > > like > > > > > > this, they always answer my questions, in very good mood, > > even > > > i > > > > > > asked some childish questions also. > > > > > > > > > > > > As you are talking about knowledge of astrology, i read > > > uncounted > > > > > > books, and shastras, but i never try them to understand my > > own > > > > > > horoscope, any time. > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly wait for time i will tell you, what happen in > future, > > as > > > u > > > > > > believe that whatever you predicted is the script of lord > > > Brahma, > > > > > but > > > > > > i know my self better, and i know what I can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > If I did not have any thing in me , I was not on this > > position > > > > > today, > > > > > > I was worried because this gap period first time it was so > > > long, > > > > > > which i never expect, and i have invested my savings in > other > > > > > things. > > > > > > and I do not have any problem in my life except this gap > > period > > > > in > > > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I request you when ever you type or reply do not thing > > you > > > > are > > > > > or > > > > > > you may be better then other one, i still have good brand > > name > > > > and > > > > > > position in HR network, i did not got the job because there > > are > > > > > very > > > > > > less openings on top management level. > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly pardon me if i used some unwanted words. i seek help > > and > > > > > > guidance and the answers of my questions from other learned > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > i am very sorry moderator , but i am not use to listen this > > > type > > > > of > > > > > > language. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards with due respect > > > > > > > > > > > > deepak sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are a good soul, and I do agree to what > > > > > > > You have written, because I value the words > > > > > > > of Guru Paramhansa Yogananda. > > > > > > > The effects can be mitigated, but not by > > > > > > > ordinary souls.Lot of japa and tapa has to > > > > > > > go into deriving this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A person who has total disregards for anyones > > > > > > > efforts and help and is unsatisfied and yearning > > > > > > > for more and more, from all available sources, > > > > > > > would not be the proper subject as on today > > > > > > > (Maybe tomorrow ),to be expected to become the > > > > > > > quick swift favourite dog whom you mentioned. > > > > > > > A lady true to one man can only be,a favourite > > > > > > > to one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For a normal mortal who has not yet scaled > > > > > > > the depths of spiritualism , destiny just > > > > > > > cannot be changed, is what was taught to me > > > > > > > when i was learning the Nakshatra padhaty. > > > > > > > It can be altered, the effects if malefic can > > > > > > > be lessened but not totally removed from a > > > > > > > mans Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now what was not taught is - > > > > > > > A great amount of meditation, japa and tapa > > > > > > > can have the power to change a mans fate , but > > > > > > > how many can do such type of japa and tapa ? > > > > > > > We are normally dealing with most ordinary men > > > > > > > everyday who want to know more and more about > > > > > > > themselves,but wishing to give nothing in return. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A man asks about his love life. > > > > > > > A man asks about his troubled marriage. > > > > > > > A man asks about when he is going to earn more money. > > > > > > > A man asks when he is going to buy a new house. > > > > > > > A man asks when he is going to feed his family himself > > > > > > > since he his family is being looked upon by his friends, > > > > > > > and he wishes to know when he will stand on his > > > > > > > own feet. Now when i tell him that he cannot earn Big > money, > > > > > > > but susbsitence levels are easy to obtain in his > > > > > > > chart, then he comes out and tells me that his last > > > > > > > salary was Rs 24 lakhs per annum. > > > > > > > When he is asking us for our inputs, and when we give them > > > > > > > to him, he writes back to us mentioning and referring me > > > > > > > the shlokas and the text matter where this is cited. > > > > > > > I feel sad at such mails. Do You think that > > > > > > > these people need help ? No they can help themselves > > > > > > > better than we can help them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need help on the contrary from such people, > > > > > > > as i could have spent time really on a poor > > > > > > > needy soul instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Destiny can also be changed by ashirvaad and shraap , > > > > > > > means blessings and curses from saints or commoners . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But for most of us ordinary folk, we are too much > > > > > > > happy in our comfortable beds and rooms, after > > > > > > > the days work, than rather be involved in the strict > > > > > > > rigours of discipline and norms, which are requisites > > > > > > > for one to change his destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Destiny cannot be changed for the 99.99% of > > > > > > > the people we are dealing with, in day to day. > > > > > > > Destiny may be possible to change for the > > > > > > > 0.001% but then indications would be there in > > > > > > > the chart about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , RajeevM > > <rajeevmundra@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Madam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see > > destiny > > > > > unfold > > > > > > > in my life > > > > > > > > and some more, > > > > > > > > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and > > > > little > > > > > > > there to > > > > > > > > drastically or completely change the outcome a few > years > > > down > > > > > the > > > > > > > line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saints and their lives are best left for another saint > to > > > > > > decipher. > > > > > > > (no > > > > > > > > dis-regard implied) > > > > > > > > People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts > > without > > > > > even > > > > > > > stating > > > > > > > > once that their analysis is a small exercise in > > > understanding > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > historical incarnations. Strange statements are made > > > > regarding > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A few lines to the non-astrologer: > > > > > > > > Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer > > > suffers > > > > > > from > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > human weakness. (again no dis-regard) > > > > > > > > So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to > say, > > > but > > > > > > then > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > forget to ask yourself. > > > > > > > > If astrology was meant to give full and final > judgments, > > > > which > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > edited, then it would be better not having known it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge > for > > > > > > > upliftment, and > > > > > > > > that should be the goal and not just stating future > > events. > > > > The > > > > > > ole > > > > > > > story > > > > > > > > books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was > > > changed > > > > > by > > > > > > > someone by > > > > > > > > his actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One example: > > > > > > > > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot > > > Divorce > > > > in > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > month " , > > > > > > > > The same chart combination in India may mean " some > > conjugal > > > > > > discord > > > > > > > for 1 > > > > > > > > month " ... Why?!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god > > > willing > > > > a > > > > > > > tenacious > > > > > > > > person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of examples can be presented for absolute > > determinism > > > > and > > > > > > > editable > > > > > > > > determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and > > > > > examples > > > > > > to > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > in the later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek > > > > <jyotishvidya@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///It is important to be aware of ones tendencies > etc. > > > thus > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > importance of > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your > destiny, > > > it > > > > is > > > > > > > only and > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, > > but > > > > its > > > > > > not > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > > either.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement. > Not > > > even > > > > > the > > > > > > > saints > > > > > > > > > can escape their destiny. I'm reminded of two very, > > very > > > > holy > > > > > > men > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > suffered great physical infirmity during their > closing > > > > years. > > > > > > At > > > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > > time I see many ordinary elderly people in their 90's > > > > > enjoying > > > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > > health and vigour (commensurate with their age of > > > > > > course)...there > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > even some who are still actively involved in seniors > > > sports > > > > > > > competitions > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see deeply religious people suffering many > hardships > > > > whilst > > > > > > > other more > > > > > > > > > worldly (non spiritual) people prosper in all areas > of > > > > life. > > > > > > > Destiny IS, > > > > > > > > > plain and simple! But how we react to that destiny is > > > what > > > > > > > separates the > > > > > > > > > saint from the ordinary person. I agree that regular > > > > > meditation > > > > > > > develops > > > > > > > > > blissful undisturbed peace that remains unscathed by > > > outward > > > > > > > > > circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, you know, even THAT (one's desire to meditate on > > > Lord > > > > > Siva > > > > > > > etc.) is > > > > > > > > > preordained! If the desire is not there no amount of > > > > cajoling > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > convince someone to spend time in meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra@ <rajeevmundra% > > 40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% > > > > > > > 40>> > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 23, 2008 1:46 PM > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepak ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > > > > > > > > > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > > > > > > > > > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above > > all > > > > > your > > > > > > un- > > > > > > > divided > > > > > > > > > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > > > > > > > > > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. > > thus > > > > the > > > > > > > importance > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your > destiny, > > > it > > > > is > > > > > > > only and > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, > > but > > > > its > > > > > > not > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > > It feels strange when people run with the chart in > hand > > > > from > > > > > > door > > > > > > > to door > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to > > understand > > > > > > > themselves to > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > able to better design their future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The persistence with which you have been chasing > > learned > > > > > > humans, > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > great, > > > > > > > > > but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, > > and > > > > feel > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > > He will open the right door at the right time and > give > > > you > > > > > the > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > as you enter that right door. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and > > some > > > > > great, > > > > > > > but let > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > say one thing, > > > > > > > > > you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. > > Make > > > > > Shiv > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > co-architect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 i will do if moderator and owner of this group madam wandy feel it is needed. rgds deepak sharma jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Dear deepakji, > > How could I have not read Your Horoscope ? > You must read the previous mails from the start. > From calculation of ghati pal > to birth time and vice versa and making > 2 Horoscopes and checking the same. > And the discussions that followed, were > also having contents about your profession. > I will not do this searching for you > of what I have written where , to you.. > Yet after all this if you say that I have > not read your horoscope, > then its fine. I understand that this is a part > of the major conspiracy of removing me > from all the Forums of astrology, > and you have succeeded here too. Because > now I have no heart to continue further' > after so many accusations hurled by'you at me. > And none to check yuor mails. > > I will reply you further only if you are able > to prove your authenticty by giving'me your real > name and contact numbers. Not on my personal id > but right here. > > Bhaskar. > > > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > wrote: > > > > i have also one complaint because you did not read my horo and even > > not told me that when i will get the new job. this question was > also > > ananswered by you, so tell me what the value of other things, you > > left the prime things. > > > > hope you will reply. > > > > rgds > > deepak sharma > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > > wrote: > > > > > > i am sorry bhaskarji i am not taling about Bhavat bhavam i am > > talking > > > about BHAVARTH BHAVAM both are diffrent, and pls if you want to > > know > > > about me you can call niket ji and talk to him he is your's very > > good > > > friend. > > > > > > i am again sorry pls close this threats, becaue it brings > > bitterness > > > in us, and their is no need of bitterness as i consider you as my > > > brother , so pls forgive me, but pls do not make surfacely > coments, > > i > > > am sure if you spend 6 hrs not 6 hrs only one hrs, you will > change > > > lot of things, you will find some more good things, i hope. > > > > > > beacause bad i know very well . > > > > > > rgds > > > deepak sharma > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Deepakji, > > > > > > > > Good words full of gratitude. > > > > Thanks so much. > > > > If You can kindly let me have your contact > > > > number, then i can send you the first book > > > > of my first year at Bhartiya Vidya > > > > Bhuvan at Bombay, where we were taught about > > > > Bhavat Bhavam. > > > > I also wish to know you are a real person here > > > > which would be confirmed if you put your Phone > > > > number here. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > respected bhaskarji, > > > > > i respect your words but you have taken in wrong meanings, i > > > never > > > > > hurt you in my privious mails, and i yes i am not satisfied > > with > > > > your > > > > > answers, because you did not gone through with my complete > > > > horoscope, > > > > > only surfacely you have seen and you also told that it is not > a > > > > > reading, when you did not read my horo then what are the > value > > of > > > > > pridictions. > > > > > > > > > > as i told about bhavarth bhavam i am still right you may > check > > > the > > > > > pandulipi of that book, i think that must be available in > > Mumbai > > > > > university library otherwise it is available in Varansi hindu > > > > > vishwvidyala. > > > > > > > > > > pls do not get hurt as u hurt i also hurt , when you > unwantedly > > > > quote > > > > > the things, which you do not know, kindly do not react > without > > > > > understanding the things deeply, and do not get anger with > all, > > > > first > > > > > you try to understand knowledge is ocean, it is not > necessarry > > > that > > > > > we are able to understand the script of lord brhama. > > > > > > > > > > may be only 10% you can guess, but still few people have more > > or > > > > less > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > so pls kind enough, i rcvd kind reply by madam wendy ji, vic > > ji, > > > > > ramani ji, prashant ji , i am very much satisfied with them, > > and > > > i > > > > > want to explore more things thats why i asked again some > > > question, > > > > > knowing astrology and asking about the own horo i do not > think > > is > > > > sin. > > > > > > > > > > pls do not answer my mails, if you see my all mails i never > > made > > > > any > > > > > request to you for a reading of my horo, because i know you > > > nature > > > > > very well, you see things only surfacely, and having half > > bookish > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > i am a student and i am learning through varous method, pls > > take > > > > care > > > > > do not make your self sufffer by inferiority complex in comp > of > > > > other > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > you are very good person - if you keep shanti, and control on > > > your > > > > > behaviour, and on your writing skill, do not try to be the > last > > > > > astrologer on earth. > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > > > > deepak sharma > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected deepakji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Good that you replied . This gives me a chance > > > > > > to reply you. > > > > > > > > > > > > See you have done a lot of teasing here to the > > > > > > astrologers. First you say that your family is > > > > > > fed by people, ( This is not being humble but > > > > > > trying to get pity and readings from all ) > > > > > > and you wish to know when you will stand on your > > > > > > own feet and be able to feed them. > > > > > > Then you say, that I earnt 24 lakhs rupees per > > > > > > annum. A person who earns 24 lakhs per annum > > > > > > does not have anything to feed the family > > > > > > is very much strange ? Did you not save enough > > > > > > and just last year you had so much and now nothing ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Next you tell me about Bhavat Bhavam and tell me > > > > > > where to find the sources. You tried to > > > > > > say that I know nothing of Bhavat Bhavam and I > > > > > > was given the paras ( Shlokas ) to read by you. > > > > > > yet I was humble and did not tell you > > > > > > that what you were saying about saturn in 6,8,12 > > > > > > etc. is not a talk about Bhavat Bhavam at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > Next you write to others saying Bhaskarji > > > > > > has not given satisfactory reply > > > > > > and your query lies unasnwered. If this is not > > > > > > teasing then what is it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact after knowing that my limits to > > > > > > replying you were over, you are mow > > > > > > also unable to get further inputs from others > > > > > > who have realised that none can satisfy you, > > > > > > so you come back at me. > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss learn to be of gratitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > About 24 lakhs , I know very well > > > > > > that this is nothing. > > > > > > But I also know that this is something for > > > > > > anybody, and not anything for a somebody. > > > > > > > > > > > > In India in cities like > > > > > > Bombay, and Delhi , anyone who has just > > > > > > finished a MBA, and also doing > > > > > > CA currently get a starting offer of 30-40Lakhs > > > > > > from good companies, and I am among such people > > > > > > all the time being in the Mutual Fund industry. > > > > > > These are not more than 30 years old. > > > > > > > > > > > > This salary may not be considered big by you, > > > > > > but it is enough to feed a family, luxuriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please learn to have some gratitude, > > > > > > and remove the tendency to take out > > > > > > more and more from people and you will succeed > > > > > > moderately. And once you learn to help people you > > > > > > will succeed further. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes You chart may be 100 times better than mines. > > > > > > If not then i can join hands in praying with you > > > > > > to make it better. > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said or meant that my word is the Brahma > > > > > > but i do not try to prove my elders wrong, > > > > > > and with no substance on my side. You are welcome > > > > > > to read many books shastras and all this. I > > > > > > am happy for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > You said about putting my chart and taking free > > > > > > predictions.I am sorry but I do not ask for free > > > > > > anything from anybody. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " > <key2000@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I respect you, but it does not mean whatever comes on > your > > > mind > > > > > you > > > > > > > may type. you are not god and also you are not saint, you > > are > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > astrologer, and in this forum there are so many better > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > having space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not hurt, because you told me that I will have > > billions, > > > > but > > > > > > if > > > > > > > you see my chart by cool and calm mind you can see my > > > progress, > > > > I > > > > > > > have started my job in 1990 by 1500 Rs and in 17 yrs when > i > > > > left > > > > > it > > > > > > > was 24 lacs plus perks , you can see how many people are > > > Group > > > > VP > > > > > > HR > > > > > > > in age of 40 for (USD 7 BILLION) INR 25650 crore Group of > > > > > companies > > > > > > > in India. As you again and again did indirectly comment > on > > > me, > > > > > yes > > > > > > I > > > > > > > have taken loan from my friend, in humble words I use > lines > > > > they > > > > > > feed > > > > > > > me. it does not mean i have given up, as you use the > > language > > > > > none > > > > > > of > > > > > > > other astrologer uses this type of language, as we can > talk > > > > about > > > > > > > charts, I had seen your chart also, and I am very much > sure > > i > > > > > have > > > > > > > 100 times better chart then yours. if do not belief Pls > put > > > > your > > > > > > and > > > > > > > mine chart and ask free report from learned astrologers > of > > > this > > > > > > forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as you talk about divinity, so I do not want to discuss > on > > > > this, > > > > > i > > > > > > am > > > > > > > still kid of almighty and still I feel I am very humble, > > > > typing > > > > > or > > > > > > > talking like this as you did you say you are blunt I feel > > it > > > is > > > > > > > totally nonsense, a astrologer must be mature like ocean, > > as > > > > > madam > > > > > > > wandy, vic ji, prashant ji, ramany ji, all of them did > not > > > talk > > > > > > like > > > > > > > this, they always answer my questions, in very good mood, > > > even > > > > i > > > > > > > asked some childish questions also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you are talking about knowledge of astrology, i read > > > > uncounted > > > > > > > books, and shastras, but i never try them to understand > my > > > own > > > > > > > horoscope, any time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly wait for time i will tell you, what happen in > > future, > > > as > > > > u > > > > > > > believe that whatever you predicted is the script of lord > > > > Brahma, > > > > > > but > > > > > > > i know my self better, and i know what I can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I did not have any thing in me , I was not on this > > > position > > > > > > today, > > > > > > > I was worried because this gap period first time it was > so > > > > long, > > > > > > > which i never expect, and i have invested my savings in > > other > > > > > > things. > > > > > > > and I do not have any problem in my life except this gap > > > period > > > > > in > > > > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I request you when ever you type or reply do not > thing > > > you > > > > > are > > > > > > or > > > > > > > you may be better then other one, i still have good brand > > > name > > > > > and > > > > > > > position in HR network, i did not got the job because > there > > > are > > > > > > very > > > > > > > less openings on top management level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly pardon me if i used some unwanted words. i seek > help > > > and > > > > > > > guidance and the answers of my questions from other > learned > > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am very sorry moderator , but i am not use to listen > this > > > > type > > > > > of > > > > > > > language. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards with due respect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepak sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are a good soul, and I do agree to what > > > > > > > > You have written, because I value the words > > > > > > > > of Guru Paramhansa Yogananda. > > > > > > > > The effects can be mitigated, but not by > > > > > > > > ordinary souls.Lot of japa and tapa has to > > > > > > > > go into deriving this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A person who has total disregards for anyones > > > > > > > > efforts and help and is unsatisfied and yearning > > > > > > > > for more and more, from all available sources, > > > > > > > > would not be the proper subject as on today > > > > > > > > (Maybe tomorrow ),to be expected to become the > > > > > > > > quick swift favourite dog whom you mentioned. > > > > > > > > A lady true to one man can only be,a favourite > > > > > > > > to one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For a normal mortal who has not yet scaled > > > > > > > > the depths of spiritualism , destiny just > > > > > > > > cannot be changed, is what was taught to me > > > > > > > > when i was learning the Nakshatra padhaty. > > > > > > > > It can be altered, the effects if malefic can > > > > > > > > be lessened but not totally removed from a > > > > > > > > mans Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now what was not taught is - > > > > > > > > A great amount of meditation, japa and tapa > > > > > > > > can have the power to change a mans fate , but > > > > > > > > how many can do such type of japa and tapa ? > > > > > > > > We are normally dealing with most ordinary men > > > > > > > > everyday who want to know more and more about > > > > > > > > themselves,but wishing to give nothing in return. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A man asks about his love life. > > > > > > > > A man asks about his troubled marriage. > > > > > > > > A man asks about when he is going to earn more money. > > > > > > > > A man asks when he is going to buy a new house. > > > > > > > > A man asks when he is going to feed his family himself > > > > > > > > since he his family is being looked upon by his friends, > > > > > > > > and he wishes to know when he will stand on his > > > > > > > > own feet. Now when i tell him that he cannot earn Big > > money, > > > > > > > > but susbsitence levels are easy to obtain in his > > > > > > > > chart, then he comes out and tells me that his last > > > > > > > > salary was Rs 24 lakhs per annum. > > > > > > > > When he is asking us for our inputs, and when we give > them > > > > > > > > to him, he writes back to us mentioning and referring > me > > > > > > > > the shlokas and the text matter where this is cited. > > > > > > > > I feel sad at such mails. Do You think that > > > > > > > > these people need help ? No they can help themselves > > > > > > > > better than we can help them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need help on the contrary from such people, > > > > > > > > as i could have spent time really on a poor > > > > > > > > needy soul instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Destiny can also be changed by ashirvaad and shraap , > > > > > > > > means blessings and curses from saints or commoners . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But for most of us ordinary folk, we are too much > > > > > > > > happy in our comfortable beds and rooms, after > > > > > > > > the days work, than rather be involved in the strict > > > > > > > > rigours of discipline and norms, which are requisites > > > > > > > > for one to change his destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Destiny cannot be changed for the 99.99% of > > > > > > > > the people we are dealing with, in day to day. > > > > > > > > Destiny may be possible to change for the > > > > > > > > 0.001% but then indications would be there in > > > > > > > > the chart about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , RajeevM > > > <rajeevmundra@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Madam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see > > > destiny > > > > > > unfold > > > > > > > > in my life > > > > > > > > > and some more, > > > > > > > > > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here > and > > > > > little > > > > > > > > there to > > > > > > > > > drastically or completely change the outcome a few > > years > > > > down > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saints and their lives are best left for another > saint > > to > > > > > > > decipher. > > > > > > > > (no > > > > > > > > > dis-regard implied) > > > > > > > > > People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts > > > without > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > stating > > > > > > > > > once that their analysis is a small exercise in > > > > understanding > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > historical incarnations. Strange statements are made > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A few lines to the non-astrologer: > > > > > > > > > Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer > > > > suffers > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > human weakness. (again no dis-regard) > > > > > > > > > So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to > > say, > > > > but > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > forget to ask yourself. > > > > > > > > > If astrology was meant to give full and final > > judgments, > > > > > which > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > edited, then it would be better not having known it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge > > for > > > > > > > > upliftment, and > > > > > > > > > that should be the goal and not just stating future > > > events. > > > > > The > > > > > > > ole > > > > > > > > story > > > > > > > > > books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was > > > > changed > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > someone by > > > > > > > > > his actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One example: > > > > > > > > > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot > > > > Divorce > > > > > in > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > month " , > > > > > > > > > The same chart combination in India may mean " some > > > conjugal > > > > > > > discord > > > > > > > > for 1 > > > > > > > > > month " ... Why?!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god > > > > willing > > > > > a > > > > > > > > tenacious > > > > > > > > > person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit > himself.!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of examples can be presented for absolute > > > determinism > > > > > and > > > > > > > > editable > > > > > > > > > determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons > and > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > in the later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek > > > > > <jyotishvidya@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///It is important to be aware of ones tendencies > > etc. > > > > thus > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > importance of > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your > > destiny, > > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > only and > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not > easy, > > > but > > > > > its > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > > > either.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement. > > Not > > > > even > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > saints > > > > > > > > > > can escape their destiny. I'm reminded of two very, > > > very > > > > > holy > > > > > > > men > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > suffered great physical infirmity during their > > closing > > > > > years. > > > > > > > At > > > > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > > > time I see many ordinary elderly people in their > 90's > > > > > > enjoying > > > > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > > > health and vigour (commensurate with their age of > > > > > > > course)...there > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > even some who are still actively involved in > seniors > > > > sports > > > > > > > > competitions > > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see deeply religious people suffering many > > hardships > > > > > whilst > > > > > > > > other more > > > > > > > > > > worldly (non spiritual) people prosper in all areas > > of > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > Destiny IS, > > > > > > > > > > plain and simple! But how we react to that destiny > is > > > > what > > > > > > > > separates the > > > > > > > > > > saint from the ordinary person. I agree that > regular > > > > > > meditation > > > > > > > > develops > > > > > > > > > > blissful undisturbed peace that remains unscathed > by > > > > outward > > > > > > > > > > circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, you know, even THAT (one's desire to meditate > on > > > > Lord > > > > > > Siva > > > > > > > > etc.) is > > > > > > > > > > preordained! If the desire is not there no amount > of > > > > > cajoling > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > convince someone to spend time in meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra@ <rajeevmundra% > > > 40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% > > > > > > > > 40>> > > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 23, 2008 1:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepak ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > > > > > > > > > > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > > > > > > > > > > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and > above > > > all > > > > > > your > > > > > > > un- > > > > > > > > divided > > > > > > > > > > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. > > > thus > > > > > the > > > > > > > > importance > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your > > destiny, > > > > it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > only and > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not > easy, > > > but > > > > > its > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > > > It feels strange when people run with the chart in > > hand > > > > > from > > > > > > > door > > > > > > > > to door > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to > > > understand > > > > > > > > themselves to > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > able to better design their future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The persistence with which you have been chasing > > > learned > > > > > > > humans, > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > great, > > > > > > > > > > but chase lord Shiv with even half that > persistence, > > > and > > > > > feel > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > > > He will open the right door at the right time and > > give > > > > you > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > > as you enter that right door. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and > > > some > > > > > > great, > > > > > > > > but let > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > say one thing, > > > > > > > > > > you create your daily destiny, not your astro > chart. > > > Make > > > > > > Shiv > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > co-architect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Well that sums up everything. Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000 wrote: > > i will do if moderator and owner of this group madam wandy feel it is > needed. > > rgds > deepak sharma > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > Dear deepakji, > > > > How could I have not read Your Horoscope ? > > You must read the previous mails from the start. > > From calculation of ghati pal > > to birth time and vice versa and making > > 2 Horoscopes and checking the same. > > And the discussions that followed, were > > also having contents about your profession. > > I will not do this searching for you > > of what I have written where , to you.. > > Yet after all this if you say that I have > > not read your horoscope, > > then its fine. I understand that this is a part > > of the major conspiracy of removing me > > from all the Forums of astrology, > > and you have succeeded here too. Because > > now I have no heart to continue further' > > after so many accusations hurled by'you at me. > > And none to check yuor mails. > > > > I will reply you further only if you are able > > to prove your authenticty by giving'me your real > > name and contact numbers. Not on my personal id > > but right here. > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > > wrote: > > > > > > i have also one complaint because you did not read my horo and > even > > > not told me that when i will get the new job. this question was > > also > > > ananswered by you, so tell me what the value of other things, you > > > left the prime things. > > > > > > hope you will reply. > > > > > > rgds > > > deepak sharma > > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > i am sorry bhaskarji i am not taling about Bhavat bhavam i am > > > talking > > > > about BHAVARTH BHAVAM both are diffrent, and pls if you want to > > > know > > > > about me you can call niket ji and talk to him he is your's > very > > > good > > > > friend. > > > > > > > > i am again sorry pls close this threats, becaue it brings > > > bitterness > > > > in us, and their is no need of bitterness as i consider you as > my > > > > brother , so pls forgive me, but pls do not make surfacely > > coments, > > > i > > > > am sure if you spend 6 hrs not 6 hrs only one hrs, you will > > change > > > > lot of things, you will find some more good things, i hope. > > > > > > > > beacause bad i know very well . > > > > > > > > rgds > > > > deepak sharma > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepakji, > > > > > > > > > > Good words full of gratitude. > > > > > Thanks so much. > > > > > If You can kindly let me have your contact > > > > > number, then i can send you the first book > > > > > of my first year at Bhartiya Vidya > > > > > Bhuvan at Bombay, where we were taught about > > > > > Bhavat Bhavam. > > > > > I also wish to know you are a real person here > > > > > which would be confirmed if you put your Phone > > > > > number here. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " <key2000@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > respected bhaskarji, > > > > > > i respect your words but you have taken in wrong meanings, > i > > > > never > > > > > > hurt you in my privious mails, and i yes i am not satisfied > > > with > > > > > your > > > > > > answers, because you did not gone through with my complete > > > > > horoscope, > > > > > > only surfacely you have seen and you also told that it is > not > > a > > > > > > reading, when you did not read my horo then what are the > > value > > > of > > > > > > pridictions. > > > > > > > > > > > > as i told about bhavarth bhavam i am still right you may > > check > > > > the > > > > > > pandulipi of that book, i think that must be available in > > > Mumbai > > > > > > university library otherwise it is available in Varansi > hindu > > > > > > vishwvidyala. > > > > > > > > > > > > pls do not get hurt as u hurt i also hurt , when you > > unwantedly > > > > > quote > > > > > > the things, which you do not know, kindly do not react > > without > > > > > > understanding the things deeply, and do not get anger with > > all, > > > > > first > > > > > > you try to understand knowledge is ocean, it is not > > necessarry > > > > that > > > > > > we are able to understand the script of lord brhama. > > > > > > > > > > > > may be only 10% you can guess, but still few people have > more > > > or > > > > > less > > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > > > > > > so pls kind enough, i rcvd kind reply by madam wendy ji, > vic > > > ji, > > > > > > ramani ji, prashant ji , i am very much satisfied with > them, > > > and > > > > i > > > > > > want to explore more things thats why i asked again some > > > > question, > > > > > > knowing astrology and asking about the own horo i do not > > think > > > is > > > > > sin. > > > > > > > > > > > > pls do not answer my mails, if you see my all mails i never > > > made > > > > > any > > > > > > request to you for a reading of my horo, because i know you > > > > nature > > > > > > very well, you see things only surfacely, and having half > > > bookish > > > > > > knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > i am a student and i am learning through varous method, pls > > > take > > > > > care > > > > > > do not make your self sufffer by inferiority complex in > comp > > of > > > > > other > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > you are very good person - if you keep shanti, and control > on > > > > your > > > > > > behaviour, and on your writing skill, do not try to be the > > last > > > > > > astrologer on earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards > > > > > > > > > > > > deepak sharma > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected deepakji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good that you replied . This gives me a chance > > > > > > > to reply you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > See you have done a lot of teasing here to the > > > > > > > astrologers. First you say that your family is > > > > > > > fed by people, ( This is not being humble but > > > > > > > trying to get pity and readings from all ) > > > > > > > and you wish to know when you will stand on your > > > > > > > own feet and be able to feed them. > > > > > > > Then you say, that I earnt 24 lakhs rupees per > > > > > > > annum. A person who earns 24 lakhs per annum > > > > > > > does not have anything to feed the family > > > > > > > is very much strange ? Did you not save enough > > > > > > > and just last year you had so much and now nothing ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next you tell me about Bhavat Bhavam and tell me > > > > > > > where to find the sources. You tried to > > > > > > > say that I know nothing of Bhavat Bhavam and I > > > > > > > was given the paras ( Shlokas ) to read by you. > > > > > > > yet I was humble and did not tell you > > > > > > > that what you were saying about saturn in 6,8,12 > > > > > > > etc. is not a talk about Bhavat Bhavam at all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next you write to others saying Bhaskarji > > > > > > > has not given satisfactory reply > > > > > > > and your query lies unasnwered. If this is not > > > > > > > teasing then what is it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In fact after knowing that my limits to > > > > > > > replying you were over, you are mow > > > > > > > also unable to get further inputs from others > > > > > > > who have realised that none can satisfy you, > > > > > > > so you come back at me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Boss learn to be of gratitude. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > About 24 lakhs , I know very well > > > > > > > that this is nothing. > > > > > > > But I also know that this is something for > > > > > > > anybody, and not anything for a somebody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In India in cities like > > > > > > > Bombay, and Delhi , anyone who has just > > > > > > > finished a MBA, and also doing > > > > > > > CA currently get a starting offer of 30-40Lakhs > > > > > > > from good companies, and I am among such people > > > > > > > all the time being in the Mutual Fund industry. > > > > > > > These are not more than 30 years old. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This salary may not be considered big by you, > > > > > > > but it is enough to feed a family, luxuriously. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please learn to have some gratitude, > > > > > > > and remove the tendency to take out > > > > > > > more and more from people and you will succeed > > > > > > > moderately. And once you learn to help people you > > > > > > > will succeed further. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes You chart may be 100 times better than mines. > > > > > > > If not then i can join hands in praying with you > > > > > > > to make it better. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said or meant that my word is the Brahma > > > > > > > but i do not try to prove my elders wrong, > > > > > > > and with no substance on my side. You are welcome > > > > > > > to read many books shastras and all this. I > > > > > > > am happy for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said about putting my chart and taking free > > > > > > > predictions.I am sorry but I do not ask for free > > > > > > > anything from anybody. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " spider man " > > <key2000@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I respect you, but it does not mean whatever comes on > > your > > > > mind > > > > > > you > > > > > > > > may type. you are not god and also you are not saint, > you > > > are > > > > > > > simply > > > > > > > > astrologer, and in this forum there are so many better > > > > > > astrologers > > > > > > > > having space. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not hurt, because you told me that I will have > > > billions, > > > > > but > > > > > > > if > > > > > > > > you see my chart by cool and calm mind you can see my > > > > progress, > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have started my job in 1990 by 1500 Rs and in 17 yrs > when > > i > > > > > left > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > was 24 lacs plus perks , you can see how many people > are > > > > Group > > > > > VP > > > > > > > HR > > > > > > > > in age of 40 for (USD 7 BILLION) INR 25650 crore Group > of > > > > > > companies > > > > > > > > in India. As you again and again did indirectly comment > > on > > > > me, > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have taken loan from my friend, in humble words I use > > lines > > > > > they > > > > > > > feed > > > > > > > > me. it does not mean i have given up, as you use the > > > language > > > > > > none > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > other astrologer uses this type of language, as we can > > talk > > > > > about > > > > > > > > charts, I had seen your chart also, and I am very much > > sure > > > i > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > 100 times better chart then yours. if do not belief Pls > > put > > > > > your > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > mine chart and ask free report from learned astrologers > > of > > > > this > > > > > > > forum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as you talk about divinity, so I do not want to discuss > > on > > > > > this, > > > > > > i > > > > > > > am > > > > > > > > still kid of almighty and still I feel I am very > humble, > > > > > typing > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > talking like this as you did you say you are blunt I > feel > > > it > > > > is > > > > > > > > totally nonsense, a astrologer must be mature like > ocean, > > > as > > > > > > madam > > > > > > > > wandy, vic ji, prashant ji, ramany ji, all of them did > > not > > > > talk > > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > this, they always answer my questions, in very good > mood, > > > > even > > > > > i > > > > > > > > asked some childish questions also. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As you are talking about knowledge of astrology, i read > > > > > uncounted > > > > > > > > books, and shastras, but i never try them to understand > > my > > > > own > > > > > > > > horoscope, any time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly wait for time i will tell you, what happen in > > > future, > > > > as > > > > > u > > > > > > > > believe that whatever you predicted is the script of > lord > > > > > Brahma, > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > i know my self better, and i know what I can do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If I did not have any thing in me , I was not on this > > > > position > > > > > > > today, > > > > > > > > I was worried because this gap period first time it was > > so > > > > > long, > > > > > > > > which i never expect, and i have invested my savings in > > > other > > > > > > > things. > > > > > > > > and I do not have any problem in my life except this > gap > > > > period > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > job. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir I request you when ever you type or reply do not > > thing > > > > you > > > > > > are > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > you may be better then other one, i still have good > brand > > > > name > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > position in HR network, i did not got the job because > > there > > > > are > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > less openings on top management level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kindly pardon me if i used some unwanted words. i seek > > help > > > > and > > > > > > > > guidance and the answers of my questions from other > > learned > > > > > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i am very sorry moderator , but i am not use to listen > > this > > > > > type > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > language. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards with due respect > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > deepak sharma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , " Bhaskar " > > > > > > <bhaskar_jyotish@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are a good soul, and I do agree to what > > > > > > > > > You have written, because I value the words > > > > > > > > > of Guru Paramhansa Yogananda. > > > > > > > > > The effects can be mitigated, but not by > > > > > > > > > ordinary souls.Lot of japa and tapa has to > > > > > > > > > go into deriving this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A person who has total disregards for anyones > > > > > > > > > efforts and help and is unsatisfied and yearning > > > > > > > > > for more and more, from all available sources, > > > > > > > > > would not be the proper subject as on today > > > > > > > > > (Maybe tomorrow ),to be expected to become the > > > > > > > > > quick swift favourite dog whom you mentioned. > > > > > > > > > A lady true to one man can only be,a favourite > > > > > > > > > to one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For a normal mortal who has not yet scaled > > > > > > > > > the depths of spiritualism , destiny just > > > > > > > > > cannot be changed, is what was taught to me > > > > > > > > > when i was learning the Nakshatra padhaty. > > > > > > > > > It can be altered, the effects if malefic can > > > > > > > > > be lessened but not totally removed from a > > > > > > > > > mans Life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now what was not taught is - > > > > > > > > > A great amount of meditation, japa and tapa > > > > > > > > > can have the power to change a mans fate , but > > > > > > > > > how many can do such type of japa and tapa ? > > > > > > > > > We are normally dealing with most ordinary men > > > > > > > > > everyday who want to know more and more about > > > > > > > > > themselves,but wishing to give nothing in return. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A man asks about his love life. > > > > > > > > > A man asks about his troubled marriage. > > > > > > > > > A man asks about when he is going to earn more money. > > > > > > > > > A man asks when he is going to buy a new house. > > > > > > > > > A man asks when he is going to feed his family himself > > > > > > > > > since he his family is being looked upon by his > friends, > > > > > > > > > and he wishes to know when he will stand on his > > > > > > > > > own feet. Now when i tell him that he cannot earn Big > > > money, > > > > > > > > > but susbsitence levels are easy to obtain in his > > > > > > > > > chart, then he comes out and tells me that his last > > > > > > > > > salary was Rs 24 lakhs per annum. > > > > > > > > > When he is asking us for our inputs, and when we give > > them > > > > > > > > > to him, he writes back to us mentioning and referring > > me > > > > > > > > > the shlokas and the text matter where this is cited. > > > > > > > > > I feel sad at such mails. Do You think that > > > > > > > > > these people need help ? No they can help themselves > > > > > > > > > better than we can help them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I need help on the contrary from such people, > > > > > > > > > as i could have spent time really on a poor > > > > > > > > > needy soul instead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Destiny can also be changed by ashirvaad and shraap , > > > > > > > > > means blessings and curses from saints or commoners . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But for most of us ordinary folk, we are too much > > > > > > > > > happy in our comfortable beds and rooms, after > > > > > > > > > the days work, than rather be involved in the strict > > > > > > > > > rigours of discipline and norms, which are requisites > > > > > > > > > for one to change his destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Destiny cannot be changed for the 99.99% of > > > > > > > > > the people we are dealing with, in day to day. > > > > > > > > > Destiny may be possible to change for the > > > > > > > > > 0.001% but then indications would be there in > > > > > > > > > the chart about this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya , RajeevM > > > > <rajeevmundra@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Madam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see > > > > destiny > > > > > > > unfold > > > > > > > > > in my life > > > > > > > > > > and some more, > > > > > > > > > > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here > > and > > > > > > little > > > > > > > > > there to > > > > > > > > > > drastically or completely change the outcome a few > > > years > > > > > down > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > line. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saints and their lives are best left for another > > saint > > > to > > > > > > > > decipher. > > > > > > > > > (no > > > > > > > > > > dis-regard implied) > > > > > > > > > > People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts > > > > without > > > > > > > even > > > > > > > > > stating > > > > > > > > > > once that their analysis is a small exercise in > > > > > understanding > > > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > > historical incarnations. Strange statements are > made > > > > > > regarding > > > > > > > > Ram > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A few lines to the non-astrologer: > > > > > > > > > > Every astrologer is human and nearly every > astrologer > > > > > suffers > > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > every > > > > > > > > > > human weakness. (again no dis-regard) > > > > > > > > > > So listen to them, think deeply to what they have > to > > > say, > > > > > but > > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > > > dont > > > > > > > > > > forget to ask yourself. > > > > > > > > > > If astrology was meant to give full and final > > > judgments, > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > > > > > edited, then it would be better not having known it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are > knowledge > > > for > > > > > > > > > upliftment, and > > > > > > > > > > that should be the goal and not just stating future > > > > events. > > > > > > The > > > > > > > > ole > > > > > > > > > story > > > > > > > > > > books are chocked full of examples of how destiny > was > > > > > changed > > > > > > > by > > > > > > > > > someone by > > > > > > > > > > his actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > One example: > > > > > > > > > > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure > Shot > > > > > Divorce > > > > > > in > > > > > > > 1 > > > > > > > > > month " , > > > > > > > > > > The same chart combination in India may mean " some > > > > conjugal > > > > > > > > discord > > > > > > > > > for 1 > > > > > > > > > > month " ... Why?!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and > god > > > > > willing > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > tenacious > > > > > > > > > > person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit > > himself.!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of examples can be presented for absolute > > > > determinism > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > editable > > > > > > > > > > determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons > > and > > > > > > > examples > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > believe > > > > > > > > > > in the later. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek > > > > > > <jyotishvidya@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///It is important to be aware of ones tendencies > > > etc. > > > > > thus > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > importance of > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your > > > destiny, > > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > only and > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > > > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not > > easy, > > > > but > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > > > > either.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I have to disagree with this > statement. > > > Not > > > > > even > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > saints > > > > > > > > > > > can escape their destiny. I'm reminded of two > very, > > > > very > > > > > > holy > > > > > > > > men > > > > > > > > > who > > > > > > > > > > > suffered great physical infirmity during their > > > closing > > > > > > years. > > > > > > > > At > > > > > > > > > the same > > > > > > > > > > > time I see many ordinary elderly people in their > > 90's > > > > > > > enjoying > > > > > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > > > > > health and vigour (commensurate with their age of > > > > > > > > course)...there > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > even some who are still actively involved in > > seniors > > > > > sports > > > > > > > > > competitions > > > > > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see deeply religious people suffering many > > > hardships > > > > > > whilst > > > > > > > > > other more > > > > > > > > > > > worldly (non spiritual) people prosper in all > areas > > > of > > > > > > life. > > > > > > > > > Destiny IS, > > > > > > > > > > > plain and simple! But how we react to that > destiny > > is > > > > > what > > > > > > > > > separates the > > > > > > > > > > > saint from the ordinary person. I agree that > > regular > > > > > > > meditation > > > > > > > > > develops > > > > > > > > > > > blissful undisturbed peace that remains unscathed > > by > > > > > outward > > > > > > > > > > > circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, you know, even THAT (one's desire to > meditate > > on > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > Siva > > > > > > > > > etc.) is > > > > > > > > > > > preordained! If the desire is not there no amount > > of > > > > > > cajoling > > > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > > > convince someone to spend time in meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya.com > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > > > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra@ <rajeevmundra% > > > > 40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish- vidya% > > > > > > > > > 40>> > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, June 23, 2008 1:46 PM > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepak ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all > goods. > > > > > > > > > > > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > > > > > > > > > > > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and > > above > > > > all > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > un- > > > > > > > > > divided > > > > > > > > > > > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > > > > > > > > > > > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies > etc. > > > > thus > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > importance > > > > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your > > > destiny, > > > > > it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > only and > > > > > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > > > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not > > easy, > > > > but > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > very > > > > > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > > > > > either. > > > > > > > > > > > It feels strange when people run with the chart > in > > > hand > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > door > > > > > > > > > to door > > > > > > > > > > > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to > > > > understand > > > > > > > > > themselves to > > > > > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > > able to better design their future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The persistence with which you have been chasing > > > > learned > > > > > > > > humans, > > > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > > > > > great, > > > > > > > > > > > but chase lord Shiv with even half that > > persistence, > > > > and > > > > > > feel > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > difference. > > > > > > > > > > > He will open the right door at the right time and > > > give > > > > > you > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > right > > > > > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > > > > > as you enter that right door. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good > and > > > > some > > > > > > > great, > > > > > > > > > but let > > > > > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > > > > > say one thing, > > > > > > > > > > > you create your daily destiny, not your astro > > chart. > > > > Make > > > > > > > Shiv > > > > > > > > > your > > > > > > > > > > > co-architect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2008 Report Share Posted June 23, 2008 Dear Mr.Deepak, Why are you wasting your time arguing with this foolish and cronic mad person.Mrs.Wendy had to take hard action against him last days.Try to discuss with some learned astrologers like Mrs.Wendy or Mr. Prashant & others and follow their suggestions. Ratnaakar --- On Mon, 6/23/08, spider man <key2000 wrote: spider man <key2000 Re: shri bhaskar ji jyotish-vidya Monday, June 23, 2008, 2:53 PM i am sorry bhaskarji i am not taling about Bhavat bhavam i am talking about BHAVARTH BHAVAM both are diffrent, and pls if you want to know about me you can call niket ji and talk to him he is your's very good friend. i am again sorry pls close this threats, becaue it brings bitterness in us, and their is no need of bitterness as i consider you as my brother , so pls forgive me, but pls do not make surfacely coments, i am sure if you spend 6 hrs not 6 hrs only one hrs, you will change lot of things, you will find some more good things, i hope. beacause bad i know very well . rgds deepak sharma jyotish-vidya, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Deepakji, > > Good words full of gratitude. > Thanks so much. > If You can kindly let me have your contact > number, then i can send you the first book > of my first year at Bhartiya Vidya > Bhuvan at Bombay, where we were taught about > Bhavat Bhavam. > I also wish to know you are a real person here > which would be confirmed if you put your Phone > number here. > > regards, > Bhaskar, > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " spider man " <key2000@> > wrote: > > > > respected bhaskarji, > > i respect your words but you have taken in wrong meanings, i never > > hurt you in my privious mails, and i yes i am not satisfied with > your > > answers, because you did not gone through with my complete > horoscope, > > only surfacely you have seen and you also told that it is not a > > reading, when you did not read my horo then what are the value of > > pridictions. > > > > as i told about bhavarth bhavam i am still right you may check the > > pandulipi of that book, i think that must be available in Mumbai > > university library otherwise it is available in Varansi hindu > > vishwvidyala. > > > > pls do not get hurt as u hurt i also hurt , when you unwantedly > quote > > the things, which you do not know, kindly do not react without > > understanding the things deeply, and do not get anger with all, > first > > you try to understand knowledge is ocean, it is not necessarry that > > we are able to understand the script of lord brhama. > > > > may be only 10% you can guess, but still few people have more or > less > > understanding. > > > > so pls kind enough, i rcvd kind reply by madam wendy ji, vic ji, > > ramani ji, prashant ji , i am very much satisfied with them, and i > > want to explore more things thats why i asked again some question, > > knowing astrology and asking about the own horo i do not think is > sin. > > > > pls do not answer my mails, if you see my all mails i never made > any > > request to you for a reading of my horo, because i know you nature > > very well, you see things only surfacely, and having half bookish > > knowledge. > > > > i am a student and i am learning through varous method, pls take > care > > do not make your self sufffer by inferiority complex in comp of > other > > astrologers. > > > > you are very good person - if you keep shanti, and control on your > > behaviour, and on your writing skill, do not try to be the last > > astrologer on earth. > > > > kind regards > > > > deepak sharma > > jyotish-vidya, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > Respected deepakji, > > > > > > Good that you replied . This gives me a chance > > > to reply you. > > > > > > See you have done a lot of teasing here to the > > > astrologers. First you say that your family is > > > fed by people, ( This is not being humble but > > > trying to get pity and readings from all ) > > > and you wish to know when you will stand on your > > > own feet and be able to feed them. > > > Then you say, that I earnt 24 lakhs rupees per > > > annum. A person who earns 24 lakhs per annum > > > does not have anything to feed the family > > > is very much strange ? Did you not save enough > > > and just last year you had so much and now nothing ? > > > > > > Next you tell me about Bhavat Bhavam and tell me > > > where to find the sources. You tried to > > > say that I know nothing of Bhavat Bhavam and I > > > was given the paras ( Shlokas ) to read by you. > > > yet I was humble and did not tell you > > > that what you were saying about saturn in 6,8,12 > > > etc. is not a talk about Bhavat Bhavam at all. > > > > > > Next you write to others saying Bhaskarji > > > has not given satisfactory reply > > > and your query lies unasnwered. If this is not > > > teasing then what is it ? > > > > > > In fact after knowing that my limits to > > > replying you were over, you are mow > > > also unable to get further inputs from others > > > who have realised that none can satisfy you, > > > so you come back at me. > > > > > > Boss learn to be of gratitude. > > > > > > About 24 lakhs , I know very well > > > that this is nothing. > > > But I also know that this is something for > > > anybody, and not anything for a somebody. > > > > > > In India in cities like > > > Bombay, and Delhi , anyone who has just > > > finished a MBA, and also doing > > > CA currently get a starting offer of 30-40Lakhs > > > from good companies, and I am among such people > > > all the time being in the Mutual Fund industry. > > > These are not more than 30 years old. > > > > > > This salary may not be considered big by you, > > > but it is enough to feed a family, luxuriously. > > > > > > Please learn to have some gratitude, > > > and remove the tendency to take out > > > more and more from people and you will succeed > > > moderately. And once you learn to help people you > > > will succeed further. > > > > > > Yes You chart may be 100 times better than mines. > > > If not then i can join hands in praying with you > > > to make it better. > > > > > > I never said or meant that my word is the Brahma > > > but i do not try to prove my elders wrong, > > > and with no substance on my side. You are welcome > > > to read many books shastras and all this. I > > > am happy for you. > > > > > > You said about putting my chart and taking free > > > predictions. I am sorry but I do not ask for free > > > anything from anybody. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " spider man " <key2000@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected bhaskar ji, > > > > > > > > I respect you, but it does not mean whatever comes on your mind > > you > > > > may type. you are not god and also you are not saint, you are > > > simply > > > > astrologer, and in this forum there are so many better > > astrologers > > > > having space. > > > > > > > > I am not hurt, because you told me that I will have billions, > but > > > if > > > > you see my chart by cool and calm mind you can see my progress, > I > > > > have started my job in 1990 by 1500 Rs and in 17 yrs when i > left > > it > > > > was 24 lacs plus perks , you can see how many people are Group > VP > > > HR > > > > in age of 40 for (USD 7 BILLION) INR 25650 crore Group of > > companies > > > > in India. As you again and again did indirectly comment on me, > > yes > > > I > > > > have taken loan from my friend, in humble words I use lines > they > > > feed > > > > me. it does not mean i have given up, as you use the language > > none > > > of > > > > other astrologer uses this type of language, as we can talk > about > > > > charts, I had seen your chart also, and I am very much sure i > > have > > > > 100 times better chart then yours. if do not belief Pls put > your > > > and > > > > mine chart and ask free report from learned astrologers of this > > > forum. > > > > > > > > as you talk about divinity, so I do not want to discuss on > this, > > i > > > am > > > > still kid of almighty and still I feel I am very humble, > typing > > or > > > > talking like this as you did you say you are blunt I feel it is > > > > totally nonsense, a astrologer must be mature like ocean, as > > madam > > > > wandy, vic ji, prashant ji, ramany ji, all of them did not talk > > > like > > > > this, they always answer my questions, in very good mood, even > i > > > > asked some childish questions also. > > > > > > > > As you are talking about knowledge of astrology, i read > uncounted > > > > books, and shastras, but i never try them to understand my own > > > > horoscope, any time. > > > > > > > > kindly wait for time i will tell you, what happen in future, as > u > > > > believe that whatever you predicted is the script of lord > Brahma, > > > but > > > > i know my self better, and i know what I can do. > > > > > > > > If I did not have any thing in me , I was not on this position > > > today, > > > > I was worried because this gap period first time it was so > long, > > > > which i never expect, and i have invested my savings in other > > > things. > > > > and I do not have any problem in my life except this gap period > > in > > > > job. > > > > > > > > Sir I request you when ever you type or reply do not thing you > > are > > > or > > > > you may be better then other one, i still have good brand name > > and > > > > position in HR network, i did not got the job because there are > > > very > > > > less openings on top management level. > > > > > > > > kindly pardon me if i used some unwanted words. i seek help and > > > > guidance and the answers of my questions from other learned > > > > astrologers. > > > > > > > > i am very sorry moderator , but i am not use to listen this > type > > of > > > > language. > > > > > > > > > > > > kind regards with due respect > > > > > > > > deepak sharma > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, " Bhaskar " > > <bhaskar_jyotish@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > > > You are a good soul, and I do agree to what > > > > > You have written, because I value the words > > > > > of Guru Paramhansa Yogananda. > > > > > The effects can be mitigated, but not by > > > > > ordinary souls.Lot of japa and tapa has to > > > > > go into deriving this. > > > > > > > > > > A person who has total disregards for anyones > > > > > efforts and help and is unsatisfied and yearning > > > > > for more and more, from all available sources, > > > > > would not be the proper subject as on today > > > > > (Maybe tomorrow ),to be expected to become the > > > > > quick swift favourite dog whom you mentioned. > > > > > A lady true to one man can only be,a favourite > > > > > to one. > > > > > > > > > > For a normal mortal who has not yet scaled > > > > > the depths of spiritualism , destiny just > > > > > cannot be changed, is what was taught to me > > > > > when i was learning the Nakshatra padhaty. > > > > > It can be altered, the effects if malefic can > > > > > be lessened but not totally removed from a > > > > > mans Life. > > > > > > > > > > Now what was not taught is - > > > > > A great amount of meditation, japa and tapa > > > > > can have the power to change a mans fate , but > > > > > how many can do such type of japa and tapa ? > > > > > We are normally dealing with most ordinary men > > > > > everyday who want to know more and more about > > > > > themselves,but wishing to give nothing in return. > > > > > > > > > > A man asks about his love life. > > > > > A man asks about his troubled marriage. > > > > > A man asks about when he is going to earn more money. > > > > > A man asks when he is going to buy a new house. > > > > > A man asks when he is going to feed his family himself > > > > > since he his family is being looked upon by his friends, > > > > > and he wishes to know when he will stand on his > > > > > own feet. Now when i tell him that he cannot earn Big money, > > > > > but susbsitence levels are easy to obtain in his > > > > > chart, then he comes out and tells me that his last > > > > > salary was Rs 24 lakhs per annum. > > > > > When he is asking us for our inputs, and when we give them > > > > > to him, he writes back to us mentioning and referring me > > > > > the shlokas and the text matter where this is cited. > > > > > I feel sad at such mails. Do You think that > > > > > these people need help ? No they can help themselves > > > > > better than we can help them. > > > > > > > > > > I need help on the contrary from such people, > > > > > as i could have spent time really on a poor > > > > > needy soul instead. > > > > > > > > > > Destiny can also be changed by ashirvaad and shraap , > > > > > means blessings and curses from saints or commoners . > > > > > > > > > > But for most of us ordinary folk, we are too much > > > > > happy in our comfortable beds and rooms, after > > > > > the days work, than rather be involved in the strict > > > > > rigours of discipline and norms, which are requisites > > > > > for one to change his destiny. > > > > > > > > > > Destiny cannot be changed for the 99.99% of > > > > > the people we are dealing with, in day to day. > > > > > Destiny may be possible to change for the > > > > > 0.001% but then indications would be there in > > > > > the chart about this. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyotish-vidya, RajeevM <rajeevmundra@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Madam > > > > > > > > > > > > Agree that there is destiny, but as I live and see destiny > > > unfold > > > > > in my life > > > > > > and some more, > > > > > > I also see daily how it can be pushed a little here and > > little > > > > > there to > > > > > > drastically or completely change the outcome a few years > down > > > the > > > > > line. > > > > > > > > > > > > Saints and their lives are best left for another saint to > > > > decipher. > > > > > (no > > > > > > dis-regard implied) > > > > > > People dissect Shri Ram's and Shri Krishna's charts without > > > even > > > > > stating > > > > > > once that their analysis is a small exercise in > understanding > > > > great > > > > > > historical incarnations. Strange statements are made > > regarding > > > > Ram > > > > > and > > > > > > Krishna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A few lines to the non-astrologer: > > > > > > Every astrologer is human and nearly every astrologer > suffers > > > > from > > > > > every > > > > > > human weakness. (again no dis-regard) > > > > > > So listen to them, think deeply to what they have to say, > but > > > > then > > > > > dont > > > > > > forget to ask yourself. > > > > > > If astrology was meant to give full and final judgments, > > which > > > > > cannot be > > > > > > edited, then it would be better not having known it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology is a part of vedas and vedas are knowledge for > > > > > upliftment, and > > > > > > that should be the goal and not just stating future events. > > The > > > > ole > > > > > story > > > > > > books are chocked full of examples of how destiny was > changed > > > by > > > > > someone by > > > > > > his actions. > > > > > > > > > > > > One example: > > > > > > One chart combination in America may mean " Sure Shot > Divorce > > in > > > 1 > > > > > month " , > > > > > > The same chart combination in India may mean " some conjugal > > > > discord > > > > > for 1 > > > > > > month " ... Why?!! > > > > > > > > > > > > Astrology depends upon a lot of ifs and buts and god > willing > > a > > > > > tenacious > > > > > > person can insert a few more " ifs " to suit himself.!!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > A lot of examples can be presented for absolute determinism > > and > > > > > editable > > > > > > determinism of astrology, but I have lot of reasons and > > > examples > > > > to > > > > > believe > > > > > > in the later. > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 23, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Wendy Vasicek > > <jyotishvidya@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Rajeev, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ///It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. > thus > > > the > > > > > > > importance of > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, > it > > is > > > > > only and > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but > > its > > > > not > > > > > very > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > either.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid I have to disagree with this statement. Not > even > > > the > > > > > saints > > > > > > > can escape their destiny. I'm reminded of two very, very > > holy > > > > men > > > > > who > > > > > > > suffered great physical infirmity during their closing > > years. > > > > At > > > > > the same > > > > > > > time I see many ordinary elderly people in their 90's > > > enjoying > > > > > excellent > > > > > > > health and vigour (commensurate with their age of > > > > course)...there > > > > > are > > > > > > > even some who are still actively involved in seniors > sports > > > > > competitions > > > > > > > etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I see deeply religious people suffering many hardships > > whilst > > > > > other more > > > > > > > worldly (non spiritual) people prosper in all areas of > > life. > > > > > Destiny IS, > > > > > > > plain and simple! But how we react to that destiny is > what > > > > > separates the > > > > > > > saint from the ordinary person. I agree that regular > > > meditation > > > > > develops > > > > > > > blissful undisturbed peace that remains unscathed by > outward > > > > > > > circumstances. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, you know, even THAT (one's desire to meditate on > Lord > > > Siva > > > > > etc.) is > > > > > > > preordained! If the desire is not there no amount of > > cajoling > > > > will > > > > > > > convince someone to spend time in meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best Wishes, > > > > > > > Mrs. Wendy > > > > > > > http://JyotishVidya .com > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _______ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > " RajeevM " <rajeevmundra@ <rajeevmundra% 40gmail.com> > > > > > > > > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya% > > > > > 40. com>> > > > > > > > Monday, June 23, 2008 1:46 PM > > > > > > > Re: Re: Bhava Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Deepak ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a simple solution to all ills and all goods. > > > > > > > Meditate on Lord Shiva for 10-30 mins daily. > > > > > > > Offer him water, milk, bel patra, honey etc and above all > > > your > > > > un- > > > > > divided > > > > > > > attention and devotion for those few minutes. > > > > > > > Ask him what you want and get it with ease. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is important to be aware of ones tendencies etc. thus > > the > > > > > importance > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > astrology. > > > > > > > But remember that your Astro chart is NOT your destiny, > it > > is > > > > > only and > > > > > > > only > > > > > > > a directional map on your tendencies. > > > > > > > You can edit the map anytime you want, its not easy, but > > its > > > > not > > > > > very > > > > > > > hard > > > > > > > either. > > > > > > > It feels strange when people run with the chart in hand > > from > > > > door > > > > > to door > > > > > > > seeking solutions, rather than only seeking to understand > > > > > themselves to > > > > > > > be > > > > > > > able to better design their future. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The persistence with which you have been chasing learned > > > > humans, > > > > > its > > > > > > > great, > > > > > > > but chase lord Shiv with even half that persistence, and > > feel > > > > the > > > > > > > difference. > > > > > > > He will open the right door at the right time and give > you > > > the > > > > > right > > > > > > > thought > > > > > > > as you enter that right door. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been with tons of astrologers, some good and some > > > great, > > > > > but let > > > > > > > me > > > > > > > say one thing, > > > > > > > you create your daily destiny, not your astro chart. Make > > > Shiv > > > > > your > > > > > > > co-architect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Om Namah Shivay > > > > > > > Rajeev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Dear Eligo, Sorry, I missed to acknowledge your mail. Thanks for the kind words and I do appreciate your good words. regards, Bhaskar. jyotish-vidya , ELIGIO MARIN <tio_eligio wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, You are a Good Person, I have observed, and applied critical thinking on the flow of mail in the subject. > !You are a good person. > > Fraternally yours > > Eligio > --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish > Re: shri bhaskar ji > jyotish-vidya > Monday, June 23, 2008, 4:08 AM Dear Mrs.Wendy, > > This is not a Forum for Chart readings. > Yet I did this because the enquiry came > in garb of some astrological query regarding > birth time accuracy related to positioning > of planets, but which query > continued on and on in form > of other multiple queries time to time. > > After wasting at least 6 working hours on this > query , all I get is cruel, harsh and unmindful > language and accusations from the native who > knows astrology very well, is not as poor as he > has meant to be, but I got caught in this whirpool. > > I will no more answer any queries now on this List > for next 1 month but go on a silent mode., > is my self ordained punishment for having done > the mistake of complying to a free reading > request. > > kind regards, > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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