What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar,

 

I'm satisfied with the authenticity of this member, so you can put away

your fears and take confidence in the fact that this group is rigorously

monitored by two (active) moderators.

 

Hopefully some level of trust will grow in due course :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, July 08, 2008 2:32 PM

Re: What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

 

 

 

Monica,

 

Would you guide us please

as to last week your id was originating

from Calcutta, and today its operating

from Maharashtra. Are you using softwares

for changing the IP addresses ? Or have

you made a journey to this part

of India.

 

The members who may be spending

their energies on replying to newcomers,

have a right to know about such intracasies

which put a question mark on authenticities.

 

Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

Bhaskar,

 

Kindly mind your business, your past and future clients will be more

" impressed " if you spend time taking lord names, doing bhajans, looking at

charts, dreaming and meeting saints and selling financial products.

 

Bhaskar, I sincerely request you not to invite trouble for yourself.

 

Moderators and owner kindly look into this.

 

-m-

 

 

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, 8 July, 2008 12:02:15 PM

Re: What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

 

 

 

Monica,

 

Would you guide us please

as to last week your id was originating

from Calcutta, and today its operating

from Maharashtra. Are you using softwares

for changing the IP addresses ? Or have

you made a journey to this part

of India.

 

The members who may be spending

their energies on replying to newcomers,

have a right to know about such intracasies

which put a question mark on authenticities.

 

Bhaskar.

 

jyotish-vidya, monica Astro

<monicaastro80@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Vic

>

> I may be saying the same thing you have said, but would like to put

it like this.

>

> Retrograde effect may be to deny the fruits initially but later on

in life the person can many times over compensate for the same.

> Like a Jupiter retrograde person may find knowledge and

spirituality hard to come by initially, or may not find it

interesting to spend time on,

> but at a later stage he could run much ahead of others and over-

compensate for the initial slack.

>

> Same for houses which Jupiter® might be governing in someones

chart.

> If Jupiter Governs lagna also, then self expression (needed for

astrology) may not be strong in early years, but that would be a

dominant focus inside persons mind, and the person may over-

compensate and eventually make it his strength.

>

> Such a person should also focus on other significations of jupiter

and 1st house (not just spirituality or self expression) and it will

be seen that by focusing on all significations of jup and 1st house

woudl simultaneously lead to development of spirituality and self

expression also.

>

> It may be more easily put that what is retrograde is not an in-born

strength or a dormant strength for that person and has to be

developed or focused on or made to manifest externally.

>

> ======

>

> Martin: So, retrograde planets are not stronger than forward-

moving planets, even though they are considered stronger in shad bala?

>

> James: That's right. But I have to qualify my answer. A

retrograde planet has a certain kind of extra strength because when a

planet is retrograde, it is closer to the Earth. This

> causes the energy or vibrations of the retrograde planet to be an

underlying prevalent force in the person's awareness and thinking

process throughout his or her

> entire life. The statement that a retrograde planet is more

powerful is

> misleading, however, if you expect that planet to readily and

> powerfully manifest its results in the outer world.

>

> Martin: Then how does this underlying force of a retrograde

planet affect a person?

>

> James: Well,

> a person with a retrograde Venus, for example, spends his or her

life

> constantly analyzing, processing, and thinking about love matters. A

> person with a retrograde Jupiter is continually approaching matters

> from a philosophical and ideological context.

>

> Martin: So, the planet is more powerful on an internal level?

>

> James: Yes.

> The energy of the retrograde planet is an intense force within the

> person's consciousness and internal processes. It creates a distinct

> psychological reality in the person.

>

>

> On

> the outer level, the manifest level, a retrograde planet is never

> strong and active. It is neutral or passive.

>

> Of course, the planet has

> the potential to produce powerful effects if, and this is one large

if,

> the person consciously decides to activate the energy of the

planet.

>

>

> I'll give you some examples. And later on, you can test what I am

> teaching now. But don't do a test with only two or three charts. Use

> fifteen or so.

> Let's say a person has an unafflicted benefic, like Venus or

Jupiter, in the 5th house. You�re thinking, wow, this person is

going to have wonderful children. If the ruler of the 5th house is

retrograde, however, having children is not a foregone conclusion.

It's not that the retrograde 5th house ruler has prevented children

or harmed the childbearing process, but that the 5th house energy is

latent. The 5th house energy must be consciously activated.

> ======

>

> Regards

> -m-

>

>

>

>

> Vic D <vicdicara@. ..>

> jyotish-vidya

> Monday, 7 July, 2008 11:41:15 PM

> Re: What does it take to become a

Jyotishi ?

>

>

> Dear Jai,

>

> Frankly he is WRONG. I challenge him to prove me wrong.

>

> Firstly astrology is not an absolute science. It is a matter of

> probability. He has given an absolute statement, where he should

(at

> best) simply state a very strong probability.

>

> Secondly, he is simply wrong from my point of view: You have the

Sun

> and Mercury in the 8th House! I also have the Sun and Mercury in

the

> 8th House along with Venus. My sign there is Leo and yours is

Cancer,

> So my sun and mercury are better off than yours, but your 8th House

> receives aspect from it's ruler, Moon, from Saturn's capricorn. The

> 8th House governs unseen things and mysticism, and death. It is a

> crucial place for astrologers! Your sun is showing light into this

> dark place! Mercury is bringing your intelligence into contact with

> it. The moon is giving you intuition and subtle connection with it.

> Through the moon, Saturn will allow you to work hard and for the

> benefit of the public (he is in the 7th).

>

> The 5th House is also important since it concerns intuitive

> intelligence which separates a struggling astrologer from a

successful

> one. The lord of the 5th is in the 9th! The lord of the 9th is in

the

> 8th. Yes, luck suffers as a result, but as far as astrological

> propensities - THEY flourish as a result!

>

> Thirdly, the ruler of your ascendant, Jupiter is retrograde.

Therefore

> it is just plain BRAVADO to make such an absolutist statement about

> your chart. When the lagnesh is retrograde it is VERY difficult to

> make any absolute predictions, because so much of the natives fate

is

> being left up to his decisions and actions in his current

incarnation.

>

> Yours,

> Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

> http://www.vedicast rologer.net

>

> On Jul 5, 2008, at 9:40 PM, jaidixit74 wrote:

>

> > Dear Jyotishis,

> >

> > I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple

search

> > for

> > a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was

> > fortunate

> > enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and

Manasaji.

> > I'm

> > indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an

interest

> > in

> > this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply

because

> > one

> > Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )

whom I

> > deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my chart

NO

> > YOU

> > CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!.

But he

> > also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

> > definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent

pictures " .

> >

> > I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

> > oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

> >

> > What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint to

> > learn

> > Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jai

> >

> > Birth data:

> > Aug 2 1974

> > 5:00 PM

> > Bangalore, India

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs.Wendy.

 

Thanks for the re-assurance that everything is under your kindful gaze

I was actually scared to enter certain threads fering

a back lash ,\because what happened previously is not easy to

erase from memory. .One does not call another in

a nsapping tone to remove a " Dear " which was inncoently

written as is the customary norms and call the person

having written so " ungentlemanly " .

 

Another point which was not in good taste.

was asking me not to take interest in a lady , when

I asked in full view of the members, about her contact

details, which I suspected were not authentic.

 

Also this persons bears the same resemblance if you

remmber as to Mr.RKM, Rajeev, as her recent mails have also

listed a dalouge between 2 persons, as he used to do, and

he has also advised me about

selling " financial products " if you remember, the same words

were used by Rajeev in his personal mail to me,

under copy to you.

 

Rajeev was also a smart astrologer, because when I

discussed with him for 80 minutes on phone

about his Fathers chart, it was disclosed

so, and so is the newcomer.

 

But if everything is under control by your

goodselves, then I feel I am harbouring unnecessary

fears.

 

Thanks.

Bhaskar.

..

 

 

-

Wendy Vasicek

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, July 08, 2008 1:48 PM

Re: Re: What does it take to become a

Jyotishi ?

 

 

Dear Bhaskar,

 

I'm satisfied with the authenticity of this member, so you can put

away

your fears and take confidence in the fact that this group is

rigorously

monitored by two (active) moderators.

 

Hopefully some level of trust will grow in due course :-)

 

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

[Guest guest]

Monica,

 

No comments, I wish to stay here until the

Owner/Moderator ask me to leave .

 

Bhaskar.

 

Moderator - Why was her mail not moderated ?

I am not sure now, whether I am wanted here or not.

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , monica Astro

<monicaastro80 wrote:

>

> Bhaskar,

>

> Kindly mind your business, your past and future clients will be more

> " impressed " if you spend time taking lord names, doing bhajans,

looking at

> charts, dreaming and meeting saints and selling financial products.

>

> Bhaskar, I sincerely request you not to invite trouble for yourself.

>

> Moderators and owner kindly look into this.

>

> -m-

>

>

>

> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

> jyotish-vidya

> Tuesday, 8 July, 2008 12:02:15 PM

> Re: What does it take to become a

Jyotishi ?

>

>

>

> Monica,

>

> Would you guide us please

> as to last week your id was originating

> from Calcutta, and today its operating

> from Maharashtra. Are you using softwares

> for changing the IP addresses ? Or have

> you made a journey to this part

> of India.

>

> The members who may be spending

> their energies on replying to newcomers,

> have a right to know about such intracasies

> which put a question mark on authenticities.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> jyotish-vidya, monica Astro

> <monicaastro80@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vic

> >

> > I may be saying the same thing you have said, but would like to

put

> it like this.

> >

> > Retrograde effect may be to deny the fruits initially but later

on

> in life the person can many times over compensate for the same.

> > Like a Jupiter retrograde person may find knowledge and

> spirituality hard to come by initially, or may not find it

> interesting to spend time on,

> > but at a later stage he could run much ahead of others and over-

> compensate for the initial slack.

> >

> > Same for houses which Jupiter® might be governing in someones

> chart.

> > If Jupiter Governs lagna also, then self expression (needed for

> astrology) may not be strong in early years, but that would be a

> dominant focus inside persons mind, and the person may over-

> compensate and eventually make it his strength.

> >

> > Such a person should also focus on other significations of

jupiter

> and 1st house (not just spirituality or self expression) and it

will

> be seen that by focusing on all significations of jup and 1st house

> woudl simultaneously lead to development of spirituality and self

> expression also.

> >

> > It may be more easily put that what is retrograde is not an in-

born

> strength or a dormant strength for that person and has to be

> developed or focused on or made to manifest externally.

> >

> > ======

> >

> > Martin: So, retrograde planets are not stronger than forward-

> moving planets, even though they are considered stronger in shad

bala?

> >

> > James: That's right. But I have to qualify my answer. A

> retrograde planet has a certain kind of extra strength because when

a

> planet is retrograde, it is closer to the Earth. This

> > causes the energy or vibrations of the retrograde planet to be an

> underlying prevalent force in the person's awareness and thinking

> process throughout his or her

> > entire life. The statement that a retrograde planet is more

> powerful is

> > misleading, however, if you expect that planet to readily and

> > powerfully manifest its results in the outer world.

> >

> > Martin: Then how does this underlying force of a retrograde

> planet affect a person?

> >

> > James: Well,

> > a person with a retrograde Venus, for example, spends his or her

> life

> > constantly analyzing, processing, and thinking about love

matters. A

> > person with a retrograde Jupiter is continually approaching

matters

> > from a philosophical and ideological context.

> >

> > Martin: So, the planet is more powerful on an internal level?

> >

> > James: Yes.

> > The energy of the retrograde planet is an intense force within the

> > person's consciousness and internal processes. It creates a

distinct

> > psychological reality in the person.

> >

> >

> > On

> > the outer level, the manifest level, a retrograde planet is never

> > strong and active. It is neutral or passive.

> >

> > Of course, the planet has

> > the potential to produce powerful effects if, and this is one

large

> if,

> > the person consciously decides to activate the energy of the

> planet.

> >

> >

> > I'll give you some examples. And later on, you can test what I am

> > teaching now. But don't do a test with only two or three charts.

Use

> > fifteen or so.

> > Let's say a person has an unafflicted benefic, like Venus or

> Jupiter, in the 5th house. You�re thinking, wow, this person

is

> going to have wonderful children. If the ruler of the 5th house is

> retrograde, however, having children is not a foregone conclusion.

> It's not that the retrograde 5th house ruler has prevented children

> or harmed the childbearing process, but that the 5th house energy

is

> latent. The 5th house energy must be consciously activated.

> > ======

> >

> > Regards

> > -m-

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Vic D <vicdicara@ ..>

> > jyotish-vidya

> > Monday, 7 July, 2008 11:41:15 PM

> > Re: What does it take to become a

> Jyotishi ?

> >

> >

> > Dear Jai,

> >

> > Frankly he is WRONG. I challenge him to prove me wrong.

> >

> > Firstly astrology is not an absolute science. It is a matter of

> > probability. He has given an absolute statement, where he should

> (at

> > best) simply state a very strong probability.

> >

> > Secondly, he is simply wrong from my point of view: You have the

> Sun

> > and Mercury in the 8th House! I also have the Sun and Mercury in

> the

> > 8th House along with Venus. My sign there is Leo and yours is

> Cancer,

> > So my sun and mercury are better off than yours, but your 8th

House

> > receives aspect from it's ruler, Moon, from Saturn's capricorn.

The

> > 8th House governs unseen things and mysticism, and death. It is a

> > crucial place for astrologers! Your sun is showing light into

this

> > dark place! Mercury is bringing your intelligence into contact

with

> > it. The moon is giving you intuition and subtle connection with

it.

> > Through the moon, Saturn will allow you to work hard and for the

> > benefit of the public (he is in the 7th).

> >

> > The 5th House is also important since it concerns intuitive

> > intelligence which separates a struggling astrologer from a

> successful

> > one. The lord of the 5th is in the 9th! The lord of the 9th is in

> the

> > 8th. Yes, luck suffers as a result, but as far as astrological

> > propensities - THEY flourish as a result!

> >

> > Thirdly, the ruler of your ascendant, Jupiter is retrograde.

> Therefore

> > it is just plain BRAVADO to make such an absolutist statement

about

> > your chart. When the lagnesh is retrograde it is VERY difficult

to

> > make any absolute predictions, because so much of the natives

fate

> is

> > being left up to his decisions and actions in his current

> incarnation.

> >

> > Yours,

> > Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

> > http://www.vedicast rologer.net

> >

> > On Jul 5, 2008, at 9:40 PM, jaidixit74 wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Jyotishis,

> > >

> > > I first stumbled across this group few weeks ago by a simple

> search

> > > for

> > > a Jyotish group and had a " Prashna " about my relocation. I was

> > > fortunate

> > > enough to have gotten a readings from Shri. Prashantji and

> Manasaji.

> > > I'm

> > > indeed thankful for the same. Even though I've developed an

> interest

> > > in

> > > this wonderful science I was advised not to pursue it deeply

> because

> > > one

> > > Jyotishi ( he is famous for articles on Jyotish on boloji.com )

> whom I

> > > deeply respect confidently remarked after going through my

chart

> NO

> > > YOU

> > > CAN NEVER BECOME A JYOTISHI I CHALLENGE YOU TO PROVE ME WRONG!.

> But he

> > > also said " Not everyone can become an ace photographer, but one

> > > definitely pursue photography as hobby and take some decent

> pictures " .

> > >

> > > I do understand its a serious Sadhana and hopefully I get an an

> > > oppurtunity in my next birth to study it seriously.

> > >

> > > What are the indicators for a person from a Jyotish standpoint

to

> > > learn

> > > Jyotish ? I'm just curious.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Jai

> > >

> > > Birth data:

> > > Aug 2 1974

> > > 5:00 PM

> > > Bangalore, India

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

That is quite enough Monica!!

 

I will not have the harmony of this group disturbed by personal issues

between members. I already asked you not to respond to Bhaskar's mails

but you've chosen to ignore this request.

 

I have neither the time nor the inclination to put up with this

nonsense...your posts will now have to be approved before they come to

the group.

 

This should also serve as a warning to other members wishing to bring

their own agenda's on to this group. It will NOT be tolerated! I remind

members (once again) to take note of the welcome message on our group's

webpage...see below!

 

Welcome Message:

*It's important to read through the following message carefully before

subscribing. There are a few basic rules that must be adhered to. It will

be assumed that all who join are aware of them. Those unable to follow

these rules should not join.

 

The intention of this group is to promote the discussion of Vedic

astrology as taught by the great sage Maharishi Parashara.

 

The distinction between Parashara and Jaimini systems is not always clear

as often the two very different techniques of prediction are

ill-defined...resulting in many contradictions. In the simplest terms;

Jaimini method uses rasi dasas, rasi aspects and chara karakas, whereas

Parashara is based on graha (vimsottari) dasa, graha aspects and constant

(or natural) karakas.

 

Prof. P. S. Sastri, author of Jaimini Sutram (English translation), tells

us that it's clear from a comparison of the principles outlined, that

much of Jaimini system has been inserted into Parashara text, and, if the

student is not careful, he will mix up the two systems and find himself

in contradictions and confusions.

 

Members who wish to discuss their own chart should be aware that,

although guidance in understanding the principles of Parashara Jyotish

(as applied to their chart) is freely given whenever possible, personal

readings should be sought privately from a professional astrologer.

 

Be mindful that Jyotish-Vidya is a discussion group for Astrologers and

students of Astrology. We DO NOT offer a free consultation or marriage

compatibility service.

 

NB: Please seek permission from the list owner (address below) before

advertising any conferences, courses, websites or other groups. Failing

to comply with this request WILL result in immediate loss of posting

privilege.

 

Disrespectful behaviour towards senior astrologers will not be tolerated

and offenders will be banned from the group without notice.*

 

PS: Whilst it's on my mind, can I please request members to " trim your

posts " . It's okay, in fact desirable, to include the mail you're

responding to when you hit 'Send' but anything beyond that should be

deleted...just a little effort to keep the posts concise would be much

appreciated by all.

 

Thank You,

Mrs. Wendy (owner/moderator)

http://JyotishVidya.com

___

 

 

-

" monica Astro " <monicaastro80

<jyotish-vidya >

Tuesday, July 08, 2008 4:44 PM

Re: Re: What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

 

 

Bhaskar,

 

Kindly mind your business, your past and future clients will be more

" impressed " if you spend time taking lord names, doing bhajans, looking

at

charts, dreaming and meeting saints and selling financial products.

 

Bhaskar, I sincerely request you not to invite trouble for yourself.

 

Moderators and owner kindly look into this.

 

-m-

[Guest guest]

Dear Mrs. Wendy

 

Can I know why Mr. Bhaskar is allowed to keep mailing regarding my

personal details and trace my locations and publish them on group and

why I have restrictions placed on me from your side not to reply back.

 

No other astrologer or moderator of this group or any other group is

as worried about peoples personal details as Mr. Bhaskar. A BIG WHY?

 

Am I interfering in Mr. Bhaskar's business in any way?

 

I am unable to understand, what the real problem is.!!

 

Regards

-m-

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek "

<jyotishvidya wrote:

>

> That is quite enough Monica!!

>

> I will not have the harmony of this group disturbed by personal issues

> between members. I already asked you not to respond to Bhaskar's mails

> but you've chosen to ignore this request.

>

> I have neither the time nor the inclination to put up with this

> nonsense...your posts will now have to be approved before they come to

> the group.

>

> This should also serve as a warning to other members wishing to bring

> their own agenda's on to this group. It will NOT be tolerated! I remind

> members (once again) to take note of the welcome message on our group's

> webpage...see below!

>

> Welcome Message:

> *It's important to read through the following message carefully before

> subscribing. There are a few basic rules that must be adhered to. It

will

> be assumed that all who join are aware of them. Those unable to follow

> these rules should not join.

>

> The intention of this group is to promote the discussion of Vedic

> astrology as taught by the great sage Maharishi Parashara.

>

> The distinction between Parashara and Jaimini systems is not always

clear

> as often the two very different techniques of prediction are

> ill-defined...resulting in many contradictions. In the simplest terms;

> Jaimini method uses rasi dasas, rasi aspects and chara karakas, whereas

> Parashara is based on graha (vimsottari) dasa, graha aspects and

constant

> (or natural) karakas.

>

> Prof. P. S. Sastri, author of Jaimini Sutram (English translation),

tells

> us that it's clear from a comparison of the principles outlined, that

> much of Jaimini system has been inserted into Parashara text, and,

if the

> student is not careful, he will mix up the two systems and find himself

> in contradictions and confusions.

>

> Members who wish to discuss their own chart should be aware that,

> although guidance in understanding the principles of Parashara Jyotish

> (as applied to their chart) is freely given whenever possible, personal

> readings should be sought privately from a professional astrologer.

>

> Be mindful that Jyotish-Vidya is a discussion group for Astrologers and

> students of Astrology. We DO NOT offer a free consultation or marriage

> compatibility service.

>

> NB: Please seek permission from the list owner (address below) before

> advertising any conferences, courses, websites or other groups. Failing

> to comply with this request WILL result in immediate loss of posting

> privilege.

>

> Disrespectful behaviour towards senior astrologers will not be

tolerated

> and offenders will be banned from the group without notice.*

>

> PS: Whilst it's on my mind, can I please request members to " trim your

> posts " . It's okay, in fact desirable, to include the mail you're

> responding to when you hit 'Send' but anything beyond that should be

> deleted...just a little effort to keep the posts concise would be much

> appreciated by all.

>

> Thank You,

> Mrs. Wendy (owner/moderator)

> http://JyotishVidya.com

> ___

>

>

> -

> " monica Astro " <monicaastro80

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Tuesday, July 08, 2008 4:44 PM

> Re: Re: What does it take to become a

Jyotishi ?

>

>

> Bhaskar,

>

> Kindly mind your business, your past and future clients will be more

> " impressed " if you spend time taking lord names, doing bhajans, looking

> at

> charts, dreaming and meeting saints and selling financial products.

>

> Bhaskar, I sincerely request you not to invite trouble for yourself.

>

> Moderators and owner kindly look into this.

>

> -m-

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Ravindramaniji,

 

Like I said in my earlier posts ,my intentions are not to malign any

Jyotishi. The problem I faced was that I did not receive any response

from them when asked about their conclusions. Hence I had to resort to

this forum to get more answers. Is Jyotish purely a matter of

subjective intuition or complext formulaic based interpretations or both

?

 

 

Regards,

Jai

PS: Getting a second opinion from another surgeon before undergoing

surgery seems to be a norm these days.

 

jyotish-vidya , " ravindramani " <ravindramani

wrote:

>

> Dear Jai,

>

> I have a suggestion to you. The astrologers who gave you prediction

> are not members of this forum. They are not able to defend why they

> came to a particular conclusion on your chart.

>

> Getting a right answer needs a right question.

>

> Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

>

> PS: RR is no way related to me. It is good you feel for a moment it

> is unethical on your part to disclose them here.

>

> ===================================================================

>

> jyotish-vidya , " jaidixit74 " jaidixit74@

> wrote:

> >

> > Thank you very much Vic Prabhu for your analysis.

> >

> > I agree that Jyotish is not an absolute science per se and is

> > probabilistic in nature unless one has achieved some sort of Siddhi

> > which is rare or unknown in the current Yuga we are living in. I'm

> still

> > familiarizing myself with the popular PAC DARES method for

> getting a

> > cursory understanding of how planets behave in various houses.

> > From my own experience in life, so far I've not gotten anything

> without

> > putting in a lot( actually a WHOLE LOT ) of efforts.

> >

> > Interestingly Vic Prabhu ,my friend consulted an astrologer who has

> > written several articles on StartTeller ( not RR ). She has immense

> > respect for him and was very worried about me after going through

> his

> > analysis.I've found that different Jyotishis see different things

> in a

> > chart! Or maybe the more they see the more they find , as in

> divisions,

> > strengths etc.

> >

> > Prashantji and Manasaji were spot on about my personality and

> traits.

> >

> > Here is the analysis. Again it may sound unethical from my

> side.But I'm

> > presenting the reading here just for my academic interests and a

> desire

> > for correct knowledge.

> >

> >

> > Jai has 6th lord venus in 7th house with malefic saturn

> > from moon the 6th and 8th lord is placed in cancer

> > 12th lord mars is placed in 9th. He may even get arrested in future

> > because of this

> >

> > That is called bhandhak Yoga

> > 12th lord aspects neech rahu

> > in 12th

> >

> > 8th lord in second house means no marital peace in family life for

> him.

> > No marital compatability

> > he may undergo surgery in his ankles

> > he may get black scars in his facre

> > his legs are weak

> > hemay even get sickness reagrding gential parts in future

> > Overall his horoscope is not that strong

> >

> >

> > My marital life isnt very good is a fact.

> > I have weak limbs is also a fact. I'm physically weak ( lack of

> stamina

> > )inspite of doing Yogasanas and following a diet based on my

> Prakruthi!

> >

> > But I'm not sure how my Saturn is malefic and how my Rahu is neech.

> >

> > Overall I do feel I could have achieved a lot more and regret for

> my

> > mistakes done in the past. But then this is a very subjective

> issue.

> >

> > Kind regards,

> > Jai

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jai,

 

I respect Ravindramani greatly, and appreciate his sense of

reservation and caution. We should all be more like that. Nonetheless

I agree with you. An astrologer who does not reply to the query of his

client is worthless. Still, you should (OFFLINE) try to analyze why

this happened? Did you pay the fee? Etc.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

[Guest guest]

Dear Vic Prabhu,

 

*** I should dye my hair blonde, because i am quite absent minded! =)***

No problem as long as you can buy me Limca or Gulab Jamun

 

***Destiny is not written in stone, it is fluid, like a river moving

in a somewhat predictable direction, but always able to change it's

course.***

 

Soothing words for a distressed soul like me.

 

 

**** Not sure about this Jai. Unless you are using " marital " in a very

broad sense. 2nd deals with the family, not specifically the spouse.

8th Lord in the second house, BTW is good for the 8th house, could you

figure out why?****

 

No sir, I'm confused. Please explain.

 

 

***Is this a question? If so, please rephrase it. Thanks.**

Is Saturn very malefic for me especially because he is placed in 7th

from Lagna?

Is Rahu being in 12th which is supposed to be a Dushsthana worse than

Rahu placed elsewhere ?

I read somewhere that malefics in Dushsthanas are actually good. This

information I got off of the internet. I'm yet to buy a good book on

astrology. How about BV Raman's book " How to judge a horoscope ? "

 

Kind Regards,

Jai

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

Astrology involves sound knowledge of arithmetical calculations,

clear thinking, patience and analytical reasoning. All the more, the

astrologer should possess common sense and know the background of the

person coming to him.

 

There are rules and they have their own exceptions, prescribed by the

sages. The astrologer should need to master both and to modify them

according to the time. Above all, He should enjoy the right dasha.

Repeat right dasha. Then the so called Vak Siddhi and intuition

helps him to come to correct conclusions. Even the Planets start

speaking to him. Yes. They start speaking to him, if he enjoys the

right dasha.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

PS: If the 9th house and the 9th Lord do not support a person, he

would only remain seeking opinions. This is the basic rule of Sage

Parashara.

 

============================================================

 

 

Dear Ravindramaniji,

 

Like I said in my earlier posts ,my intentions are not to malign any

Jyotishi. The problem I faced was that I did not receive any response

from them when asked about their conclusions. Hence I had to resort to

this forum to get more answers. Is Jyotish purely a matter of

subjective intuition or complext formulaic based interpretations or

both

?

 

Regards,

Jai

PS: Getting a second opinion from another surgeon before undergoing

surgery seems to be a norm these days.

 

 

 

 

 

jyotish-vidya , " jaidixit74 " <jaidixit74

wrote:

>

> Dear Ravindramaniji,

>

> Like I said in my earlier posts ,my intentions are not to malign any

> Jyotishi. The problem I faced was that I did not receive any

response

> from them when asked about their conclusions. Hence I had to resort

to

> this forum to get more answers. Is Jyotish purely a matter of

> subjective intuition or complext formulaic based interpretations or

both

> ?

>

>

> Regards,

> Jai

> PS: Getting a second opinion from another surgeon before undergoing

> surgery seems to be a norm these days.

>

> jyotish-vidya , " ravindramani " <ravindramani@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jai,

> >

> > I have a suggestion to you. The astrologers who gave you

prediction

> > are not members of this forum. They are not able to defend why

they

> > came to a particular conclusion on your chart.

> >

> > Getting a right answer needs a right question.

> >

> > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

> >

> > PS: RR is no way related to me. It is good you feel for a moment

it

> > is unethical on your part to disclose them here.

> >

> >

===================================================================

> >

> > jyotish-vidya , " jaidixit74 " jaidixit74@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Thank you very much Vic Prabhu for your analysis.

> > >

> > > I agree that Jyotish is not an absolute science per se and is

> > > probabilistic in nature unless one has achieved some sort of

Siddhi

> > > which is rare or unknown in the current Yuga we are living in.

I'm

> > still

> > > familiarizing myself with the popular PAC DARES method for

> > getting a

> > > cursory understanding of how planets behave in various houses.

> > > From my own experience in life, so far I've not gotten anything

> > without

> > > putting in a lot( actually a WHOLE LOT ) of efforts.

> > >

> > > Interestingly Vic Prabhu ,my friend consulted an astrologer who

has

> > > written several articles on StartTeller ( not RR ). She has

immense

> > > respect for him and was very worried about me after going

through

> > his

> > > analysis.I've found that different Jyotishis see different

things

> > in a

> > > chart! Or maybe the more they see the more they find , as in

> > divisions,

> > > strengths etc.

> > >

> > > Prashantji and Manasaji were spot on about my personality and

> > traits.

> > >

> > > Here is the analysis. Again it may sound unethical from my

> > side.But I'm

> > > presenting the reading here just for my academic interests and a

> > desire

> > > for correct knowledge.

> > >

> > >

> > > Jai has 6th lord venus in 7th house with malefic saturn

> > > from moon the 6th and 8th lord is placed in cancer

> > > 12th lord mars is placed in 9th. He may even get arrested in

future

> > > because of this

> > >

> > > That is called bhandhak Yoga

> > > 12th lord aspects neech rahu

> > > in 12th

> > >

> > > 8th lord in second house means no marital peace in family life

for

> > him.

> > > No marital compatability

> > > he may undergo surgery in his ankles

> > > he may get black scars in his facre

> > > his legs are weak

> > > hemay even get sickness reagrding gential parts in future

> > > Overall his horoscope is not that strong

> > >

> > >

> > > My marital life isnt very good is a fact.

> > > I have weak limbs is also a fact. I'm physically weak ( lack of

> > stamina

> > > )inspite of doing Yogasanas and following a diet based on my

> > Prakruthi!

> > >

> > > But I'm not sure how my Saturn is malefic and how my Rahu is

neech.

> > >

> > > Overall I do feel I could have achieved a lot more and regret

for

> > my

> > > mistakes done in the past. But then this is a very subjective

> > issue.

> > >

> > > Kind regards,

> > > Jai

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jai,

 

=)

 

> **** Not sure about this Jai. Unless you are using " marital " in a very

> broad sense. 2nd deals with the family, not specifically the spouse.

> 8th Lord in the second house, BTW is good for the 8th house, could

> you

> figure out why?****

>

> No sir, I'm confused. Please explain.

 

Well, I had this topic on my mind through the nite, about the 2nd

House and married life. And did some reading on it. And have come to

the conclusion that I do in fact agree that the second house is a

significant indication of not the romantic nature or the attraction or

nature of the mate, but other the general day to day familial

relationships with the mate and all family members (even though each

family member has more focus in their own houses - mother 4, father

10, younger sibilings 3, older siblings 11, spouse 7, etc.)

 

Now about my question: A benefic in the 2nd house is good for the 8th

house because the 8th is opposite to the 2nd. Does this help you guess

why a benefic in the 2nd would benefit the 8th? Please try to guess.

 

 

> ***Is this a question? If so, please rephrase it. Thanks.**

> Is Saturn very malefic for me especially because he is placed in 7th

> from Lagna?

 

What houses does he rule? That is your first concern. Tell me and then

tell me based on that what you can conclude about his presence in the

7th. Consider his intrinsic nature, the house he rules, and his

disposition in the 7th house when you make your judgement.

 

> Is Rahu being in 12th which is supposed to be a Dushsthana worse than

> Rahu placed elsewhere ?

 

Rahu in the 12th is quite interesting. As I mentioned in a different

email to this group, Rahu is the most difficult planet to understand

in a horoscope because he lacks much intrinsic nature and is very

difficult from horoscope to horoscope.

 

Who is the Lord of Rahu's Nakshatra? Sub Lord? Who is the Lord of the

12th? Who is aspecting Rahu, and within how many degrees. What is the

speed of Rahu?

 

Answer these questions and I can make an example judgement of his

placement for you.

 

 

> I read somewhere that malefics in Dushsthanas are actually good. This

> information I got off of the internet.

 

Malefics in Dushstanas CAN be better than benefics. It's desirable to

have good planets in good houses and bad planets in bad houses. Why do

you think this is?

 

 

> I'm yet to buy a good book on

> astrology. How about BV Raman's book " How to judge a horoscope ? "

 

I've not read it.

 

Currently I'm reading James T. Braha's latest book and it is a

treasure chest. If you get that one, you should first read the

appendix for beginners and then move on to chapter one.

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicastrologer.net

[Guest guest]

Thanks Prabhu. I will get back to you on the homework assignment after

studying further.

 

Regards,

Jai

jyotish-vidya , Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

>

> Dear Jai,

>

> =)

>

> > **** Not sure about this Jai. Unless you are using " marital " in a

very

> > broad sense. 2nd deals with the family, not specifically the

spouse.

> > 8th Lord in the second house, BTW is good for the 8th house, could

> > you

> > figure out why?****

> >

> > No sir, I'm confused. Please explain.

>

> Well, I had this topic on my mind through the nite, about the 2nd

> House and married life. And did some reading on it. And have come to

> the conclusion that I do in fact agree that the second house is a

> significant indication of not the romantic nature or the attraction or

> nature of the mate, but other the general day to day familial

> relationships with the mate and all family members (even though each

> family member has more focus in their own houses - mother 4, father

> 10, younger sibilings 3, older siblings 11, spouse 7, etc.)

>

> Now about my question: A benefic in the 2nd house is good for the 8th

> house because the 8th is opposite to the 2nd. Does this help you guess

> why a benefic in the 2nd would benefit the 8th? Please try to guess.

>

>

> > ***Is this a question? If so, please rephrase it. Thanks.**

> > Is Saturn very malefic for me especially because he is placed in 7th

> > from Lagna?

>

> What houses does he rule? That is your first concern. Tell me and then

> tell me based on that what you can conclude about his presence in the

> 7th. Consider his intrinsic nature, the house he rules, and his

> disposition in the 7th house when you make your judgement.

>

> > Is Rahu being in 12th which is supposed to be a Dushsthana worse

than

> > Rahu placed elsewhere ?

>

> Rahu in the 12th is quite interesting. As I mentioned in a different

> email to this group, Rahu is the most difficult planet to understand

> in a horoscope because he lacks much intrinsic nature and is very

> difficult from horoscope to horoscope.

>

> Who is the Lord of Rahu's Nakshatra? Sub Lord? Who is the Lord of the

> 12th? Who is aspecting Rahu, and within how many degrees. What is the

> speed of Rahu?

>

> Answer these questions and I can make an example judgement of his

> placement for you.

>

>

> > I read somewhere that malefics in Dushsthanas are actually good.

This

> > information I got off of the internet.

>

> Malefics in Dushstanas CAN be better than benefics. It's desirable to

> have good planets in good houses and bad planets in bad houses. Why do

> you think this is?

>

>

> > I'm yet to buy a good book on

> > astrology. How about BV Raman's book " How to judge a horoscope ? "

>

> I've not read it.

>

> Currently I'm reading James T. Braha's latest book and it is a

> treasure chest. If you get that one, you should first read the

> appendix for beginners and then move on to chapter one.

>

> Yours,

> Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

> http://www.vedicastrologer.net

>

[Guest guest]

Sir,

Apart from these ingredients basic to an Astrologer, let me too add that he

should be non prejudicial and willing to understand the problems of needy people

when approached for advice.Also it should be born in mind that his advice and

suggestions are only indications that should encourage the natives to have faith

and get results.

As Astrology is based on calculations,the data that is made available and before

need to be verified for soundness to venture for making predictions.

vrkrishnan

 

--- On Tue, 7/8/08, ravindramani <ravindramani wrote:

 

ravindramani <ravindramani

Re: What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 12:33 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sir,

 

Astrology involves sound knowledge of arithmetical calculations,

clear thinking, patience and analytical reasoning. All the more, the

astrologer should possess common sense and know the background of the

person coming to him.

 

There are rules and they have their own exceptions, prescribed by the

sages. The astrologer should need to master both and to modify them

according to the time. Above all, He should enjoy the right dasha.

Repeat right dasha. Then the so called Vak Siddhi and intuition

helps him to come to correct conclusions. Even the Planets start

speaking to him. Yes. They start speaking to him, if he enjoys the

right dasha.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

PS: If the 9th house and the 9th Lord do not support a person, he

would only remain seeking opinions. This is the basic rule of Sage

Parashara.

 

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ===

 

Dear Ravindramaniji,

 

Like I said in my earlier posts ,my intentions are not to malign any

Jyotishi. The problem I faced was that I did not receive any response

from them when asked about their conclusions. Hence I had to resort to

this forum to get more answers. Is Jyotish purely a matter of

subjective intuition or complext formulaic based interpretations or

both

?

 

Regards,

Jai

PS: Getting a second opinion from another surgeon before undergoing

surgery seems to be a norm these days.

 

jyotish-vidya, " jaidixit74 " <jaidixit74@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Ravindramaniji,

>

> Like I said in my earlier posts ,my intentions are not to malign any

> Jyotishi. The problem I faced was that I did not receive any

response

> from them when asked about their conclusions. Hence I had to resort

to

> this forum to get more answers. Is Jyotish purely a matter of

> subjective intuition or complext formulaic based interpretations or

both

> ?

>

>

> Regards,

> Jai

> PS: Getting a second opinion from another surgeon before undergoing

> surgery seems to be a norm these days.

>

> jyotish-vidya, " ravindramani " <ravindramani@ >

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Jai,

> >

> > I have a suggestion to you. The astrologers who gave you

prediction

> > are not members of this forum. They are not able to defend why

they

> > came to a particular conclusion on your chart.

> >

> > Getting a right answer needs a right question.

> >

> > Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

> >

> > PS: RR is no way related to me. It is good you feel for a moment

it

> > is unethical on your part to disclose them here.

> >

> >

============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= =

> >

> > jyotish-vidya, " jaidixit74 " jaidixit74@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Thank you very much Vic Prabhu for your analysis.

> > >

> > > I agree that Jyotish is not an absolute science per se and is

> > > probabilistic in nature unless one has achieved some sort of

Siddhi

> > > which is rare or unknown in the current Yuga we are living in.

I'm

> > still

> > > familiarizing myself with the popular PAC DARES method for

> > getting a

> > > cursory understanding of how planets behave in various houses.

> > > From my own experience in life, so far I've not gotten anything

> > without

> > > putting in a lot( actually a WHOLE LOT ) of efforts.

> > >

> > > Interestingly Vic Prabhu ,my friend consulted an astrologer who

has

> > > written several articles on StartTeller ( not RR ). She has

immense

> > > respect for him and was very worried about me after going

through

> > his

> > > analysis.I've found that different Jyotishis see different

things

> > in a

> > > chart! Or maybe the more they see the more they find , as in

> > divisions,

> > > strengths etc.

> > >

> > > Prashantji and Manasaji were spot on about my personality and

> > traits.

> > >

> > > Here is the analysis. Again it may sound unethical from my

> > side.But I'm

> > > presenting the reading here just for my academic interests and a

> > desire

> > > for correct knowledge.

> > >

> > >

> > > Jai has 6th lord venus in 7th house with malefic saturn

> > > from moon the 6th and 8th lord is placed in cancer

> > > 12th lord mars is placed in 9th. He may even get arrested in

future

> > > because of this

> > >

> > > That is called bhandhak Yoga

> > > 12th lord aspects neech rahu

> > > in 12th

> > >

> > > 8th lord in second house means no marital peace in family life

for

> > him.

> > > No marital compatability

> > > he may undergo surgery in his ankles

> > > he may get black scars in his facre

> > > his legs are weak

> > > hemay even get sickness reagrding gential parts in future

> > > Overall his horoscope is not that strong

> > >

> > >

> > > My marital life isnt very good is a fact.

> > > I have weak limbs is also a fact. I'm physically weak ( lack of

> > stamina

> > > )inspite of doing Yogasanas and following a diet based on my

> > Prakruthi!

> > >

> > > But I'm not sure how my Saturn is malefic and how my Rahu is

neech.

> > >

> > > Overall I do feel I could have achieved a lot more and regret

for

> > my

> > > mistakes done in the past. But then this is a very subjective

> > issue.

> > >

> > > Kind regards,

> > > Jai

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Better to have a planet in the first house that none,  and for a young person

,as the time goes by it may be not that bad after all

 

--- On Tue, 7/8/08, Vic D <vicdicara wrote:

 

Vic D <vicdicara

Re: Re: What does it take to become a Jyotishi ?

jyotish-vidya

Tuesday, July 8, 2008, 9:43 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All:

 

>>> I read somewhere that malefics in Dushsthanas are actually good.

> This

>>> information I got off of the internet.

>>

>> Malefics in Dushstanas CAN be better than benefics. It's desirable to

>> have good planets in good houses and bad planets in bad houses. Why

>> do

>> you think this is?

 

How can say what is *not* good about having a malefic in the first

house? Hint: What I am thinking of would be of particular concern to a

young kishori (young teenager).

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicast rologer.net

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

SORRY I ASKED THE WRONG QUSTION!!! =(

 

I meant to say 8th House, but said 1st House.

 

Here is what the question should be

 

>> I read somewhere that malefics in Dushsthanas are actually good.This

>> information I got off of the internet.

>

> Malefics in Dushstanas CAN be better than benefics. It's desirable to

> have good planets in good houses and bad planets in bad houses. Why

> do

> you think this is?

 

How can say what is *not* good about having a malefic in the *eighth*

house? Hint: What I am thinking of would be of particular concern to a

young kishori (young teenager).

 

 

Yours,

Vic DiCara / Vraja Kishor

http://www.vedicast rologer.net

[Guest guest]

Dear Sh. Krishnan,

 

I agree with you.

 

Regards, C.S. Ravindramani.

 

 

jyotish-vidya , vattem krishnan <bursar_99

wrote:

>> Sir,> Apart from these ingredients basic to an Astrologer, let me

too add that he should be non prejudicial and willing to understand the

problems of needy people when approached for advice.Also it should be

born in mind that his advice and suggestions are only indications that

should encourage the natives to have faith and get results.> As

Astrology is based on calculations,the data that is made available and

before need to be verified for soundness to venture for making

predictions.> vrkrishnan