selfishness towards children

April 5, 2007

|OM GURAVE NAMAH|

Pranaam Kishore ji,

This has been my experience too. I am posting a chart of a lady with

Cp Lagna that we can discuss.

Regards

Supriti

-

Lady A

Natal Chart

October 1, 1939

Time: 14:04:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 88 E 12' 00 " , 22 N 42' 00 "

Nabadwip, India

Altitude: 0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramathi - Bhadrapada

Tithi: Krishna Tritiya (Ma) (41.17% left)

Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)

Nakshatra: Bharani (Ve) (85.16% left)

Yoga: Harshana (Su) (53.27% left)

Karana: Vishti (Sa) (82.35% left)

Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Ar)

Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Pi)

Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)

Sunrise: 5:31:54

Sunset: 17:22:13

Janma Ghatis: 21.3375

Ayanamsa: 23-01-04.90

Sidereal Time: 15:03:31

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna 12 Cp 14' 32.47 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

Sun - PiK 14 Vi 15' 08.03 " Hast 2 Vi Ta

Moon - MK 15 Ar 18' 40.97 " Bhar 1 Ar Le

Mars - GK 9 Cp 52' 17.24 " USha 4 Cp Pi

Mercury - BK 21 Vi 01' 31.09 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

Jupiter ® - PK 10 Pi 16' 11.25 " UBha 3 Pi Li

Venus - AmK 21 Vi 05' 12.70 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

Saturn ® - DK 6 Ar 22' 30.20 " Aswi 2 Ar Ta

Rahu - AK 7 Li 23' 26.32 " Swat 1 Li Sg

Ketu 7 Ar 23' 26.32 " Aswi 3 Ar Ge

Maandi 1 Aq 05' 43.62 " Dhan 3 Aq Li

Gulika 18 Cp 00' 57.79 " Srav 3 Cp Ge

Uranus ® 28 Ar 29' 17.99 " Krit 1 Ar Sg

Neptune 0 Vi 35' 22.39 " UPha 2 Vi Cp

Pluto 9 Cn 39' 06.81 " Push 2 Cn Vi

Bhava Lagna 21 Cp 55' 39.92 " Srav 4 Cp Cn

Hora Lagna 29 Ta 57' 10.18 " Mrig 2 Ta Vi

Ghati Lagna 24 Ge 01' 40.97 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

Vighati Lagna 24 Li 24' 14.92 " Visa 2 Li Ta

Varnada Lagna 12 Aq 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Aq Vi

Sree Lagna 5 Pi 38' 58.62 " UBha 1 Pi Le

Pranapada Lagna 24 Aq 45' 13.28 " PBha 2 Aq Ta

Indu Lagna 15 Vi 18' 40.97 " Hast 2 Vi Ta

Dhooma 27 Cp 35' 08.03 " Dhan 2 Cp Vi

Vyatipata 2 Ge 24' 51.97 " Mrig 3 Ge Li

Parivesha 2 Sg 24' 51.97 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

Indra Chapa 27 Cn 35' 08.03 " Asre 4 Cn Pi

Upaketu 14 Le 15' 08.03 " PPha 1 Le Le

Kaala 24 Vi 07' 33.05 " Chit 1 Vi Le

Mrityu 3 Sc 55' 06.47 " Anu 1 Sc Le

Artha Prahara 23 Sc 27' 02.59 " Jye 3 Sc Aq

Yama Ghantaka 13 Sg 41' 05.59 " PSha 1 Sg Le

Prana Sphuta 19 Sg 13' 40.13 " PSha 2 Sg Vi

Deha Sphuta 20 Ta 30' 25.54 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

Mrityu Sphuta 20 Ar 21' 52.54 " Bhar 3 Ar Li

Sookshma TriSphuta 0 Pi 05' 58.21 " PBha 4 Pi Cn

TriSphuta 15 Sc 34' 11.23 " Anu 4 Sc Sc

ChatusSphuta 29 Ar 49' 19.25 " Krit 1 Ar Sg

PanchaSphuta 7 Sc 12' 45.57 " Anu 2 Sc Vi

V2 12 Ta 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Ta Sg

V3 12 Ge 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Ge Ta

V4 12 Vi 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Vi Ar

V5 12 Li 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Li Ta

V6 12 Cp 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Cp Sg

V7 12 Aq 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Aq Vi

V8 12 Ta 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Ta Sg

V9 12 Ge 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Ge Ta

V10 12 Vi 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Vi Ar

V11 12 Li 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Li Ta

V12 12 Cp 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Cp Sg

Kunda 1 Li 37' 49.90 " Chit 3 Li Li

Rasi

+--------------+

| \ / \ / |

| \ Md / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / Ma \ / |

| \ / \ / |

|JuR x As x |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ Gk / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / SaR \ 10 / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| AL Mo x Ra |

| \ / \ / |

| \ Ke / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / Ve |

|HL x x Me Su |

| / \ / \ |

| / GL \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

+--------------+

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Ven Ven 1936-10-28 Sun 1940-02-10 Moon 1941-02-04

Mars 1942-09-27 Rah 1943-11-21 Jup 1946-11-05

Sat 1949-06-22 Merc 1952-08-05 Ket 1955-05-22

Sun Sun 1956-07-15 Moon 1956-10-31 Mars 1957-04-29

Rah 1957-09-02 Jup 1958-07-23 Sat 1959-05-07

Merc 1960-04-13 Ket 1961-02-13 Ven 1961-06-19

Moon Moon 1962-06-14 Mars 1963-04-10 Rah 1963-11-06

Jup 1965-04-29 Sat 1966-08-22 Merc 1968-03-14

Ket 1969-08-06 Ven 1970-03-04 Sun 1971-10-25

Mars Mars 1972-04-22 Rah 1972-09-16 Jup 1973-09-29

Sat 1974-08-31 Merc 1975-10-04 Ket 1976-09-25

Ven 1977-02-19 Sun 1978-04-15 Moon 1978-08-19

Rah Rah 1979-03-17 Jup 1981-11-13 Sat 1984-03-26

Merc 1987-01-16 Ket 1989-07-22 Ven 1990-08-04

Sun 1993-07-19 Moon 1994-06-08 Mars 1995-11-30

Jup Jup 1996-12-12 Sat 1999-01-19 Merc 2001-07-19

Ket 2003-10-13 Ven 2004-09-13 Sun 2007-05-01

Moon 2008-02-13 Mars 2009-06-07 Rah 2010-05-09

Sat Sat 2012-09-19 Merc 2015-09-07 Ket 2018-05-03

Ven 2019-06-06 Sun 2022-07-20 Moon 2023-06-27

Mars 2025-01-17 Rah 2026-02-20 Jup 2028-12-12

Merc Merc 2031-06-12 Ket 2033-10-26 Ven 2034-10-18

Sun 2037-08-03 Moon 2038-06-05 Mars 2039-10-28

Rah 2040-10-19 Jup 2043-04-25 Sat 2045-07-19

Ket Ket 2048-03-14 Ven 2048-08-08 Sun 2049-10-02

Moon 2050-02-05 Mars 2050-09-03 Rah 2051-01-28

Jup 2052-02-10 Sat 2053-01-11 Merc 2054-02-14

sohamsa , " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha

stotram that

> there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of

kaliyuga

> that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not

caring for

> them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or

simply do

> not know how to raise a child.

>

> However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less

in

> others.

>

> For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for

the sake

> of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the

modern

> politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.

>

> On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away

his own

> children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.

>

> It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-

>

> a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie

mars act

> as Yoga karaka

> b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the

lagna lord

> saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna

>

> I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> 98492 70729

>

April 5, 2007

dear supriti, namaskar. Thank you for posting the chart,Kindly let me know the experience of the chart with regard to the point being discussed. regards, Kishore patnaik

On 05 Apr 2007 09:05:24 -0700, supriti108 <supriti108 wrote:

|OM GURAVE NAMAH|

Pranaam Kishore ji,

This has been my experience too. I am posting a chart of a lady with

Cp Lagna that we can discuss.

Regards

Supriti

-------------------------

Lady A

Natal Chart

October 1, 1939

Time: 14:04:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 88 E 12' 00 " , 22 N 42' 00 "

Nabadwip, India

Altitude: 0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramathi - Bhadrapada

Tithi: Krishna Tritiya (Ma) (41.17% left)

Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)

Nakshatra: Bharani (Ve) (85.16% left)

Yoga: Harshana (Su) (53.27% left)

Karana: Vishti (Sa) (82.35% left)

Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Ar)

Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Pi)

Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)

Sunrise: 5:31:54

Sunset: 17:22:13

Janma Ghatis: 21.3375

Ayanamsa: 23-01-04.90

Sidereal Time: 15:03:31

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna 12 Cp 14' 32.47 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

Sun - PiK 14 Vi 15' 08.03 " Hast 2 Vi Ta

Moon - MK 15 Ar 18' 40.97 " Bhar 1 Ar Le

Mars - GK 9 Cp 52' 17.24 " USha 4 Cp Pi

Mercury - BK 21 Vi 01' 31.09 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

Jupiter ® - PK 10 Pi 16' 11.25 " UBha 3 Pi Li

Venus - AmK 21 Vi 05' 12.70 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

Saturn ® - DK 6 Ar 22' 30.20 " Aswi 2 Ar Ta

Rahu - AK 7 Li 23' 26.32 " Swat 1 Li Sg

Ketu 7 Ar 23' 26.32 " Aswi 3 Ar Ge

Maandi 1 Aq 05' 43.62 " Dhan 3 Aq Li

Gulika 18 Cp 00' 57.79 " Srav 3 Cp Ge

Uranus ® 28 Ar 29' 17.99 " Krit 1 Ar Sg

Neptune 0 Vi 35' 22.39 " UPha 2 Vi Cp

Pluto 9 Cn 39' 06.81 " Push 2 Cn Vi

Bhava Lagna 21 Cp 55' 39.92 " Srav 4 Cp Cn

Hora Lagna 29 Ta 57' 10.18 " Mrig 2 Ta Vi

Ghati Lagna 24 Ge 01' 40.97 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

Vighati Lagna 24 Li 24' 14.92 " Visa 2 Li Ta

Varnada Lagna 12 Aq 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Aq Vi

Sree Lagna 5 Pi 38' 58.62 " UBha 1 Pi Le

Pranapada Lagna 24 Aq 45' 13.28 " PBha 2 Aq Ta

Indu Lagna 15 Vi 18' 40.97 " Hast 2 Vi Ta

Dhooma 27 Cp 35' 08.03 " Dhan 2 Cp Vi

Vyatipata 2 Ge 24' 51.97 " Mrig 3 Ge Li

Parivesha 2 Sg 24' 51.97 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

Indra Chapa 27 Cn 35' 08.03 " Asre 4 Cn Pi

Upaketu 14 Le 15' 08.03 " PPha 1 Le Le

Kaala 24 Vi 07' 33.05 " Chit 1 Vi Le

Mrityu 3 Sc 55' 06.47 " Anu 1 Sc Le

Artha Prahara 23 Sc 27' 02.59 " Jye 3 Sc Aq

Yama Ghantaka 13 Sg 41' 05.59 " PSha 1 Sg Le

Prana Sphuta 19 Sg 13' 40.13 " PSha 2 Sg Vi

Deha Sphuta 20 Ta 30' 25.54 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

Mrityu Sphuta 20 Ar 21' 52.54 " Bhar 3 Ar Li

Sookshma TriSphuta 0 Pi 05' 58.21 " PBha 4 Pi Cn

TriSphuta 15 Sc 34' 11.23 " Anu 4 Sc Sc

ChatusSphuta 29 Ar 49' 19.25 " Krit 1 Ar Sg

PanchaSphuta 7 Sc 12' 45.57 " Anu 2 Sc Vi

V2 12 Ta 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Ta Sg

V3 12 Ge 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Ge Ta

V4 12 Vi 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Vi Ar

V5 12 Li 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Li Ta

V6 12 Cp 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Cp Sg

V7 12 Aq 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Aq Vi

V8 12 Ta 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Ta Sg

V9 12 Ge 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Ge Ta

V10 12 Vi 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Vi Ar

V11 12 Li 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Li Ta

V12 12 Cp 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Cp Sg

Kunda 1 Li 37' 49.90 " Chit 3 Li Li

Rasi

+--------------+

| \ / \ / |

| \ Md / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / Ma \ / |

| \ / \ / |

|JuR x As x |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ Gk / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / SaR \ 10 / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| AL Mo x Ra |

| \ / \ / |

| \ Ke / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / Ve |

|HL x x Me Su |

| / \ / \ |

| / GL \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

+--------------+

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Ven Ven 1936-10-28 Sun 1940-02-10 Moon 1941-02-04

Mars 1942-09-27 Rah 1943-11-21 Jup 1946-11-05

Sat 1949-06-22 Merc 1952-08-05 Ket 1955-05-22

Sun Sun 1956-07-15 Moon 1956-10-31 Mars 1957-04-29

Rah 1957-09-02 Jup 1958-07-23 Sat 1959-05-07

Merc 1960-04-13 Ket 1961-02-13 Ven 1961-06-19

Moon Moon 1962-06-14 Mars 1963-04-10 Rah 1963-11-06

Jup 1965-04-29 Sat 1966-08-22 Merc 1968-03-14

Ket 1969-08-06 Ven 1970-03-04 Sun 1971-10-25

Mars Mars 1972-04-22 Rah 1972-09-16 Jup 1973-09-29

Sat 1974-08-31 Merc 1975-10-04 Ket 1976-09-25

Ven 1977-02-19 Sun 1978-04-15 Moon 1978-08-19

Rah Rah 1979-03-17 Jup 1981-11-13 Sat 1984-03-26

Merc 1987-01-16 Ket 1989-07-22 Ven 1990-08-04

Sun 1993-07-19 Moon 1994-06-08 Mars 1995-11-30

Jup Jup 1996-12-12 Sat 1999-01-19 Merc 2001-07-19

Ket 2003-10-13 Ven 2004-09-13 Sun 2007-05-01

Moon 2008-02-13 Mars 2009-06-07 Rah 2010-05-09

Sat Sat 2012-09-19 Merc 2015-09-07 Ket 2018-05-03

Ven 2019-06-06 Sun 2022-07-20 Moon 2023-06-27

Mars 2025-01-17 Rah 2026-02-20 Jup 2028-12-12

Merc Merc 2031-06-12 Ket 2033-10-26 Ven 2034-10-18

Sun 2037-08-03 Moon 2038-06-05 Mars 2039-10-28

Rah 2040-10-19 Jup 2043-04-25 Sat 2045-07-19

Ket Ket 2048-03-14 Ven 2048-08-08 Sun 2049-10-02

Moon 2050-02-05 Mars 2050-09-03 Rah 2051-01-28

Jup 2052-02-10 Sat 2053-01-11 Merc 2054-02-14

sohamsa , " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha

stotram that

> there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of

kaliyuga

> that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not

caring for

> them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or

simply do

> not know how to raise a child.

>

> However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less

in

> others.

>

> For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for

the sake

> of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the

modern

> politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.

>

> On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away

his own

> children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.

>

> It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-

>

> a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie

mars act

> as Yoga karaka

> b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the

lagna lord

> saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna

>

> I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> 98492 70729

>

April 5, 2007

Interesting topic- I agree that Cn lagna tends to be giving /too much, spoiled children very likely?/ But Cp lagna is not necessarily bad parent, just less nurturing by nature- however I've seen positive side to this: they teach their children life lessons Cn Parent would rather avoid indefinitely, which makes children more independent and skillful as a result. Cn Lagna Parent, Annasupriti108 <supriti108 wrote: |OM GURAVE NAMAH|Pranaam Kishore ji,This

has been my experience too. I am posting a chart of a lady with Cp Lagna that we can discuss. RegardsSupriti-------------------------Lady ANatal ChartOctober 1, 1939Time: 14:04:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 88 E 12' 00", 22 N 42' 00"Nabadwip, IndiaAltitude: 0.00 metersLunar Yr-Mo: Pramathi - BhadrapadaTithi: Krishna Tritiya (Ma) (41.17% left)Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)Nakshatra: Bharani (Ve) (85.16% left)Yoga: Harshana (Su) (53.27% left)Karana: Vishti (Sa) (82.35% left)Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Ar)Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Pi)Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)Sunrise: 5:31:54Sunset: 17:22:13Janma Ghatis: 21.3375Ayanamsa: 23-01-04.90Sidereal Time: 15:03:31Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi NavamsaLagna 12 Cp 14' 32.47" Srav 1 Cp

ArSun - PiK 14 Vi 15' 08.03" Hast 2 Vi TaMoon - MK 15 Ar 18' 40.97" Bhar 1 Ar LeMars - GK 9 Cp 52' 17.24" USha 4 Cp PiMercury - BK 21 Vi 01' 31.09" Hast 4 Vi CnJupiter ® - PK 10 Pi 16' 11.25" UBha 3 Pi LiVenus - AmK 21 Vi 05' 12.70" Hast 4 Vi CnSaturn ® - DK 6 Ar 22' 30.20" Aswi 2 Ar TaRahu - AK 7 Li 23' 26.32" Swat 1 Li SgKetu 7 Ar 23' 26.32" Aswi 3 Ar GeMaandi 1 Aq 05' 43.62" Dhan 3 Aq LiGulika 18 Cp 00' 57.79" Srav 3 Cp GeUranus ® 28 Ar 29' 17.99" Krit 1 Ar SgNeptune 0 Vi 35' 22.39" UPha 2 Vi CpPluto 9 Cn 39' 06.81" Push 2 Cn ViBhava Lagna 21 Cp 55' 39.92" Srav 4 Cp CnHora Lagna 29 Ta 57' 10.18" Mrig 2 Ta ViGhati Lagna 24 Ge 01' 40.97" Puna 2 Ge TaVighati Lagna 24 Li 24' 14.92" Visa 2 Li TaVarnada Lagna 12 Aq 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Aq ViSree Lagna 5 Pi 38' 58.62" UBha 1 Pi LePranapada Lagna 24 Aq 45' 13.28" PBha 2 Aq TaIndu Lagna 15 Vi 18' 40.97" Hast 2 Vi TaDhooma 27 Cp 35'

08.03" Dhan 2 Cp ViVyatipata 2 Ge 24' 51.97" Mrig 3 Ge LiParivesha 2 Sg 24' 51.97" Mool 1 Sg ArIndra Chapa 27 Cn 35' 08.03" Asre 4 Cn PiUpaketu 14 Le 15' 08.03" PPha 1 Le LeKaala 24 Vi 07' 33.05" Chit 1 Vi LeMrityu 3 Sc 55' 06.47" Anu 1 Sc LeArtha Prahara 23 Sc 27' 02.59" Jye 3 Sc AqYama Ghantaka 13 Sg 41' 05.59" PSha 1 Sg LePrana Sphuta 19 Sg 13' 40.13" PSha 2 Sg ViDeha Sphuta 20 Ta 30' 25.54" Rohi 4 Ta CnMrityu Sphuta 20 Ar 21' 52.54" Bhar 3 Ar LiSookshma TriSphuta 0 Pi 05' 58.21" PBha 4 Pi CnTriSphuta 15 Sc 34' 11.23" Anu 4 Sc ScChatusSphuta 29 Ar 49' 19.25" Krit 1 Ar SgPanchaSphuta 7 Sc 12' 45.57" Anu 2 Sc ViV2 12 Ta 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Ta SgV3 12 Ge 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Ge TaV4 12 Vi 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Vi ArV5 12 Li 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Li TaV6 12 Cp 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Cp SgV7 12 Aq 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Aq ViV8 12 Ta 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Ta SgV9 12 Ge 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Ge TaV10 12 Vi 14'

32.47" Aswi 1 Vi ArV11 12 Li 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Li TaV12 12 Cp 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Cp SgKunda 1 Li 37' 49.90" Chit 3 Li LiRasi +--------------+| \ / \ / || \ Md / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / Ma \ / || \ / \ / ||JuR x As x || / \ / \ || / \ Gk / \ || / \ / \ || / SaR \ 10 / \ || / \ / \ || AL Mo x Ra || \ / \ / || \ Ke / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / || \ / \ / Ve ||HL x x Me Su || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / \ / \ || / GL \ / \ || / \ / \ |+--------------+Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):Ven Ven 1936-10-28 Sun 1940-02-10 Moon 1941-02-04 Mars 1942-09-27 Rah 1943-11-21 Jup 1946-11-05 Sat 1949-06-22 Merc 1952-08-05 Ket 1955-05-22 Sun Sun 1956-07-15 Moon 1956-10-31 Mars 1957-04-29 Rah 1957-09-02 Jup 1958-07-23 Sat 1959-05-07

Merc 1960-04-13 Ket 1961-02-13 Ven 1961-06-19 Moon Moon 1962-06-14 Mars 1963-04-10 Rah 1963-11-06 Jup 1965-04-29 Sat 1966-08-22 Merc 1968-03-14 Ket 1969-08-06 Ven 1970-03-04 Sun 1971-10-25 Mars Mars 1972-04-22 Rah 1972-09-16 Jup 1973-09-29 Sat 1974-08-31 Merc 1975-10-04 Ket 1976-09-25 Ven 1977-02-19 Sun 1978-04-15 Moon 1978-08-19 Rah Rah 1979-03-17 Jup 1981-11-13 Sat 1984-03-26 Merc 1987-01-16 Ket 1989-07-22 Ven 1990-08-04 Sun 1993-07-19 Moon 1994-06-08 Mars 1995-11-30 Jup Jup 1996-12-12 Sat 1999-01-19 Merc 2001-07-19 Ket 2003-10-13 Ven 2004-09-13 Sun 2007-05-01 Moon 2008-02-13 Mars 2009-06-07 Rah 2010-05-09 Sat Sat 2012-09-19 Merc 2015-09-07 Ket 2018-05-03 Ven 2019-06-06 Sun 2022-07-20 Moon 2023-06-27 Mars 2025-01-17 Rah 2026-02-20 Jup 2028-12-12 Merc Merc 2031-06-12 Ket 2033-10-26 Ven 2034-10-18 Sun 2037-08-03 Moon 2038-06-05 Mars 2039-10-28 Rah 2040-10-19 Jup 2043-04-25 Sat 2045-07-19 Ket

Ket 2048-03-14 Ven 2048-08-08 Sun 2049-10-02 Moon 2050-02-05 Mars 2050-09-03 Rah 2051-01-28 Jup 2052-02-10 Sat 2053-01-11 Merc 2054-02-14 sohamsa , "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear all,> > It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha stotram that> there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of kaliyuga> that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not caring for> them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or simply do> not know how to raise a child.> > However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less in> others.> > For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for the sake> of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen

from the modern> politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.> > On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away his own> children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.> > It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-> > a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie mars act> as Yoga karaka> b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the lagna lord> saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna> > I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.> > regards,> > Kishore patnaik> > 98492 70729>

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April 5, 2007

|OM GURAVE NAMAH|

Pranaam Kishore ji,

I have known this person very closely and I would like to discuss

this chart without adding my experiences so as to keep the discussion

unbiased.

Regards

Supriti

sohamsa , " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> dear supriti,

>

> namaskar.

>

> Thank you for posting the chart,

>

> Kindly let me know the experience of the chart with regard to the

point

> being discussed.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> On 05 Apr 2007 09:05:24 -0700, supriti108 <supriti108 wrote:

> >

> > |OM GURAVE NAMAH|

> > Pranaam Kishore ji,

> >

> > This has been my experience too. I am posting a chart of a lady

with

> > Cp Lagna that we can discuss.

> >

> > Regards

> > Supriti

> >

> > -------------------------

> >

> > Lady A

> > Natal Chart

> >

> > October 1, 1939

> > Time: 14:04:00

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 88 E 12' 00 " , 22 N 42' 00 "

> > Nabadwip, India

> > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> >

> > Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramathi - Bhadrapada

> > Tithi: Krishna Tritiya (Ma) (41.17% left)

> > Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)

> > Nakshatra: Bharani (Ve) (85.16% left)

> > Yoga: Harshana (Su) (53.27% left)

> > Karana: Vishti (Sa) (82.35% left)

> > Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Ar)

> > Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Pi)

> > Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)

> >

> > Sunrise: 5:31:54

> > Sunset: 17:22:13

> > Janma Ghatis: 21.3375

> >

> > Ayanamsa: 23-01-04.90

> > Sidereal Time: 15:03:31

> >

> > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

> >

> > Lagna 12 Cp 14' 32.47 " Srav 1 Cp Ar

> > Sun - PiK 14 Vi 15' 08.03 " Hast 2 Vi Ta

> > Moon - MK 15 Ar 18' 40.97 " Bhar 1 Ar Le

> > Mars - GK 9 Cp 52' 17.24 " USha 4 Cp Pi

> > Mercury - BK 21 Vi 01' 31.09 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

> > Jupiter ® - PK 10 Pi 16' 11.25 " UBha 3 Pi Li

> > Venus - AmK 21 Vi 05' 12.70 " Hast 4 Vi Cn

> > Saturn ® - DK 6 Ar 22' 30.20 " Aswi 2 Ar Ta

> > Rahu - AK 7 Li 23' 26.32 " Swat 1 Li Sg

> > Ketu 7 Ar 23' 26.32 " Aswi 3 Ar Ge

> > Maandi 1 Aq 05' 43.62 " Dhan 3 Aq Li

> > Gulika 18 Cp 00' 57.79 " Srav 3 Cp Ge

> > Uranus ® 28 Ar 29' 17.99 " Krit 1 Ar Sg

> > Neptune 0 Vi 35' 22.39 " UPha 2 Vi Cp

> > Pluto 9 Cn 39' 06.81 " Push 2 Cn Vi

> > Bhava Lagna 21 Cp 55' 39.92 " Srav 4 Cp Cn

> > Hora Lagna 29 Ta 57' 10.18 " Mrig 2 Ta Vi

> > Ghati Lagna 24 Ge 01' 40.97 " Puna 2 Ge Ta

> > Vighati Lagna 24 Li 24' 14.92 " Visa 2 Li Ta

> > Varnada Lagna 12 Aq 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Aq Vi

> > Sree Lagna 5 Pi 38' 58.62 " UBha 1 Pi Le

> > Pranapada Lagna 24 Aq 45' 13.28 " PBha 2 Aq Ta

> > Indu Lagna 15 Vi 18' 40.97 " Hast 2 Vi Ta

> > Dhooma 27 Cp 35' 08.03 " Dhan 2 Cp Vi

> > Vyatipata 2 Ge 24' 51.97 " Mrig 3 Ge Li

> > Parivesha 2 Sg 24' 51.97 " Mool 1 Sg Ar

> > Indra Chapa 27 Cn 35' 08.03 " Asre 4 Cn Pi

> > Upaketu 14 Le 15' 08.03 " PPha 1 Le Le

> > Kaala 24 Vi 07' 33.05 " Chit 1 Vi Le

> > Mrityu 3 Sc 55' 06.47 " Anu 1 Sc Le

> > Artha Prahara 23 Sc 27' 02.59 " Jye 3 Sc Aq

> > Yama Ghantaka 13 Sg 41' 05.59 " PSha 1 Sg Le

> > Prana Sphuta 19 Sg 13' 40.13 " PSha 2 Sg Vi

> > Deha Sphuta 20 Ta 30' 25.54 " Rohi 4 Ta Cn

> > Mrityu Sphuta 20 Ar 21' 52.54 " Bhar 3 Ar Li

> > Sookshma TriSphuta 0 Pi 05' 58.21 " PBha 4 Pi Cn

> > TriSphuta 15 Sc 34' 11.23 " Anu 4 Sc Sc

> > ChatusSphuta 29 Ar 49' 19.25 " Krit 1 Ar Sg

> > PanchaSphuta 7 Sc 12' 45.57 " Anu 2 Sc Vi

> > V2 12 Ta 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Ta Sg

> > V3 12 Ge 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Ge Ta

> > V4 12 Vi 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Vi Ar

> > V5 12 Li 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Li Ta

> > V6 12 Cp 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Cp Sg

> > V7 12 Aq 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Aq Vi

> > V8 12 Ta 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Ta Sg

> > V9 12 Ge 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Ge Ta

> > V10 12 Vi 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Vi Ar

> > V11 12 Li 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Li Ta

> > V12 12 Cp 14' 32.47 " Aswi 1 Cp Sg

> > Kunda 1 Li 37' 49.90 " Chit 3 Li Li

> >

> > Rasi

> > +--------------+

> > | \ / \ / |

> > | \ Md / \ / |

> > | \ / \ / |

> > | \ / Ma \ / |

> > | \ / \ / |

> > |JuR x As x |

> > | / \ / \ |

> > | / \ Gk / \ |

> > | / \ / \ |

> > | / SaR \ 10 / \ |

> > | / \ / \ |

> > | AL Mo x Ra |

> > | \ / \ / |

> > | \ Ke / \ / |

> > | \ / \ / |

> > | \ / \ / Ve |

> > |HL x x Me Su |

> > | / \ / \ |

> > | / GL \ / \ |

> > | / \ / \ |

> > +--------------+

> >

> > Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

> >

> > Ven Ven 1936-10-28 Sun 1940-02-10 Moon 1941-02-04

> > Mars 1942-09-27 Rah 1943-11-21 Jup 1946-11-05

> > Sat 1949-06-22 Merc 1952-08-05 Ket 1955-05-22

> > Sun Sun 1956-07-15 Moon 1956-10-31 Mars 1957-04-29

> > Rah 1957-09-02 Jup 1958-07-23 Sat 1959-05-07

> > Merc 1960-04-13 Ket 1961-02-13 Ven 1961-06-19

> > Moon Moon 1962-06-14 Mars 1963-04-10 Rah 1963-11-06

> > Jup 1965-04-29 Sat 1966-08-22 Merc 1968-03-14

> > Ket 1969-08-06 Ven 1970-03-04 Sun 1971-10-25

> > Mars Mars 1972-04-22 Rah 1972-09-16 Jup 1973-09-29

> > Sat 1974-08-31 Merc 1975-10-04 Ket 1976-09-25

> > Ven 1977-02-19 Sun 1978-04-15 Moon 1978-08-19

> > Rah Rah 1979-03-17 Jup 1981-11-13 Sat 1984-03-26

> > Merc 1987-01-16 Ket 1989-07-22 Ven 1990-08-04

> > Sun 1993-07-19 Moon 1994-06-08 Mars 1995-11-30

> > Jup Jup 1996-12-12 Sat 1999-01-19 Merc 2001-07-19

> > Ket 2003-10-13 Ven 2004-09-13 Sun 2007-05-01

> > Moon 2008-02-13 Mars 2009-06-07 Rah 2010-05-09

> > Sat Sat 2012-09-19 Merc 2015-09-07 Ket 2018-05-03

> > Ven 2019-06-06 Sun 2022-07-20 Moon 2023-06-27

> > Mars 2025-01-17 Rah 2026-02-20 Jup 2028-12-12

> > Merc Merc 2031-06-12 Ket 2033-10-26 Ven 2034-10-18

> > Sun 2037-08-03 Moon 2038-06-05 Mars 2039-10-28

> > Rah 2040-10-19 Jup 2043-04-25 Sat 2045-07-19

> > Ket Ket 2048-03-14 Ven 2048-08-08 Sun 2049-10-02

> > Moon 2050-02-05 Mars 2050-09-03 Rah 2051-01-28

> > Jup 2052-02-10 Sat 2053-01-11 Merc 2054-02-14

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>, " kishorepatnaik "

> >

> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha

> > stotram that

> > > there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of

> > kaliyuga

> > > that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not

> > caring for

> > > them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures

or

> > simply do

> > > not know how to raise a child.

> > >

> > > However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less

> > in

> > > others.

> > >

> > > For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything

for

> > the sake

> > > of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the

> > modern

> > > politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.

> > >

> > > On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat

away

> > his own

> > > children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic

gains.

> > >

> > > It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these

lagnas-

> > >

> > > a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord

ie

> > mars act

> > > as Yoga karaka

> > > b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the

> > lagna lord

> > > saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna

> > >

> > > I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with

examples.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Kishore patnaik

> > >

> > > 98492 70729

> > >

> >

>

April 5, 2007

Om Gurave Namah

Dear Kishore,

Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of

Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation. If the fact that 5th lord becoming

yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude

towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?

Warm regards,

Tijana

sohamsa , " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha

stotram that

> there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of

kaliyuga

> that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not

caring for

> them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or

simply do

> not know how to raise a child.

>

> However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less

in

> others.

>

> For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for

the sake

> of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the

modern

> politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.

>

> On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away

his own

> children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.

>

> It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-

>

> a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie

mars act

> as Yoga karaka

> b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the

lagna lord

> saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna

>

> I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> 98492 70729

>

April 5, 2007

[ Hare Rama Krsna ]Dear Supriti,5th lord from Jupiter is aspected or conjoined Mars, Rahu, Saturn and Ketu.For female chart we see the 9th house for children - Venus is debilitated there, and given that Mars exalted in Lagna, I would doubt her children would get much affection.Respectfully,Michal[ Om Namo Narayanaya ]supriti108 <supriti108sohamsa Sent: Friday, April 6, 2007 4:05:24 AM Re: selfishness

towards children

|OM GURAVE NAMAH|

Pranaam Kishore ji,

This has been my experience too. I am posting a chart of a lady with

Cp Lagna that we can discuss.

Regards

Supriti

------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- -

Lady A

Natal Chart

October 1, 1939

Time: 14:04:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 88 E 12' 00", 22 N 42' 00"

Nabadwip, India

Altitude: 0.00 meters

Lunar Yr-Mo: Pramathi - Bhadrapada

Tithi: Krishna Tritiya (Ma) (41.17% left)

Vedic Weekday: Sunday (Su)

Nakshatra: Bharani (Ve) (85.16% left)

Yoga: Harshana (Su) (53.27% left)

Karana: Vishti (Sa) (82.35% left)

Hora Lord: Venus (5 min sign: Ar)

Mahakala Hora: Venus (5 min sign: Pi)

Kaala Lord: Saturn (Mahakala: Saturn)

Sunrise: 5:31:54

Sunset: 17:22:13

Janma Ghatis: 21.3375

Ayanamsa: 23-01-04.90

Sidereal Time: 15:03:31

Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa

Lagna 12 Cp 14' 32.47" Srav 1 Cp Ar

Sun - PiK 14 Vi 15' 08.03" Hast 2 Vi Ta

Moon - MK 15 Ar 18' 40.97" Bhar 1 Ar Le

Mars - GK 9 Cp 52' 17.24" USha 4 Cp Pi

Mercury - BK 21 Vi 01' 31.09" Hast 4 Vi Cn

Jupiter ® - PK 10 Pi 16' 11.25" UBha 3 Pi Li

Venus - AmK 21 Vi 05' 12.70" Hast 4 Vi Cn

Saturn ® - DK 6 Ar 22' 30.20" Aswi 2 Ar Ta

Rahu - AK 7 Li 23' 26.32" Swat 1 Li Sg

Ketu 7 Ar 23' 26.32" Aswi 3 Ar Ge

Maandi 1 Aq 05' 43.62" Dhan 3 Aq Li

Gulika 18 Cp 00' 57.79" Srav 3 Cp Ge

Uranus ® 28 Ar 29' 17.99" Krit 1 Ar Sg

Neptune 0 Vi 35' 22.39" UPha 2 Vi Cp

Pluto 9 Cn 39' 06.81" Push 2 Cn Vi

Bhava Lagna 21 Cp 55' 39.92" Srav 4 Cp Cn

Hora Lagna 29 Ta 57' 10.18" Mrig 2 Ta Vi

Ghati Lagna 24 Ge 01' 40.97" Puna 2 Ge Ta

Vighati Lagna 24 Li 24' 14.92" Visa 2 Li Ta

Varnada Lagna 12 Aq 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Aq Vi

Sree Lagna 5 Pi 38' 58.62" UBha 1 Pi Le

Pranapada Lagna 24 Aq 45' 13.28" PBha 2 Aq Ta

Indu Lagna 15 Vi 18' 40.97" Hast 2 Vi Ta

Dhooma 27 Cp 35' 08.03" Dhan 2 Cp Vi

Vyatipata 2 Ge 24' 51.97" Mrig 3 Ge Li

Parivesha 2 Sg 24' 51.97" Mool 1 Sg Ar

Indra Chapa 27 Cn 35' 08.03" Asre 4 Cn Pi

Upaketu 14 Le 15' 08.03" PPha 1 Le Le

Kaala 24 Vi 07' 33.05" Chit 1 Vi Le

Mrityu 3 Sc 55' 06.47" Anu 1 Sc Le

Artha Prahara 23 Sc 27' 02.59" Jye 3 Sc Aq

Yama Ghantaka 13 Sg 41' 05.59" PSha 1 Sg Le

Prana Sphuta 19 Sg 13' 40.13" PSha 2 Sg Vi

Deha Sphuta 20 Ta 30' 25.54" Rohi 4 Ta Cn

Mrityu Sphuta 20 Ar 21' 52.54" Bhar 3 Ar Li

Sookshma TriSphuta 0 Pi 05' 58.21" PBha 4 Pi Cn

TriSphuta 15 Sc 34' 11.23" Anu 4 Sc Sc

ChatusSphuta 29 Ar 49' 19.25" Krit 1 Ar Sg

PanchaSphuta 7 Sc 12' 45.57" Anu 2 Sc Vi

V2 12 Ta 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Ta Sg

V3 12 Ge 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Ge Ta

V4 12 Vi 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Vi Ar

V5 12 Li 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Li Ta

V6 12 Cp 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Cp Sg

V7 12 Aq 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Aq Vi

V8 12 Ta 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Ta Sg

V9 12 Ge 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Ge Ta

V10 12 Vi 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Vi Ar

V11 12 Li 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Li Ta

V12 12 Cp 14' 32.47" Aswi 1 Cp Sg

Kunda 1 Li 37' 49.90" Chit 3 Li Li

Rasi

+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +

| \ / \ / |

| \ Md / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / Ma \ / |

| \ / \ / |

|JuR x As x |

| / \ / \ |

| / \ Gk / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| / SaR \ 10 / \ |

| / \ / \ |

| AL Mo x Ra |

| \ / \ / |

| \ Ke / \ / |

| \ / \ / |

| \ / \ / Ve |

|HL x x Me Su |

| / \ / \ |

| / GL \ / \ |

| / \ / \ |

+----------- --------- --------- --------- --------- +

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

Ven Ven 1936-10-28 Sun 1940-02-10 Moon 1941-02-04

Mars 1942-09-27 Rah 1943-11-21 Jup 1946-11-05

Sat 1949-06-22 Merc 1952-08-05 Ket 1955-05-22

Sun Sun 1956-07-15 Moon 1956-10-31 Mars 1957-04-29

Rah 1957-09-02 Jup 1958-07-23 Sat 1959-05-07

Merc 1960-04-13 Ket 1961-02-13 Ven 1961-06-19

Moon Moon 1962-06-14 Mars 1963-04-10 Rah 1963-11-06

Jup 1965-04-29 Sat 1966-08-22 Merc 1968-03-14

Ket 1969-08-06 Ven 1970-03-04 Sun 1971-10-25

Mars Mars 1972-04-22 Rah 1972-09-16 Jup 1973-09-29

Sat 1974-08-31 Merc 1975-10-04 Ket 1976-09-25

Ven 1977-02-19 Sun 1978-04-15 Moon 1978-08-19

Rah Rah 1979-03-17 Jup 1981-11-13 Sat 1984-03-26

Merc 1987-01-16 Ket 1989-07-22 Ven 1990-08-04

Sun 1993-07-19 Moon 1994-06-08 Mars 1995-11-30

Jup Jup 1996-12-12 Sat 1999-01-19 Merc 2001-07-19

Ket 2003-10-13 Ven 2004-09-13 Sun 2007-05-01

Moon 2008-02-13 Mars 2009-06-07 Rah 2010-05-09

Sat Sat 2012-09-19 Merc 2015-09-07 Ket 2018-05-03

Ven 2019-06-06 Sun 2022-07-20 Moon 2023-06-27

Mars 2025-01-17 Rah 2026-02-20 Jup 2028-12-12

Merc Merc 2031-06-12 Ket 2033-10-26 Ven 2034-10-18

Sun 2037-08-03 Moon 2038-06-05 Mars 2039-10-28

Rah 2040-10-19 Jup 2043-04-25 Sat 2045-07-19

Ket Ket 2048-03-14 Ven 2048-08-08 Sun 2049-10-02

Moon 2050-02-05 Mars 2050-09-03 Rah 2051-01-28

Jup 2052-02-10 Sat 2053-01-11 Merc 2054-02-14

sohamsa@ .com, "kishore patnaik"

<kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha

stotram that

> there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of

kaliyuga

> that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not

caring for

> them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or

simply do

> not know how to raise a child.

>

> However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less

in

> others.

>

> For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for

the sake

> of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the

modern

> politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.

>

> On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away

his own

> children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.

>

> It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-

>

> a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie

mars act

> as Yoga karaka

> b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the

lagna lord

> saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna

>

> I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> 98492 70729

>

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April 5, 2007

Dear all,

It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha stotram that

there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of kaliyuga

that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not caring for

them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or simply do

not know how to raise a child.

However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less in

others.

For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for the sake

of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the modern

politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.

On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away his own

children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.

It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-

a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie mars act

as Yoga karaka

b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the lagna lord

saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna

I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.

regards,

Kishore patnaik

98492 70729

April 5, 2007

Dear Kishoreji,

Yes I agree with you. Movies are only made showing bad

sons or Daughter in laws. But never about bad parents.

I also know about at least 3 mothers who are very

much loving only one son more and neglecting the others.

Also know of one Father who is from a good family,

but was so much immersed in the sensual pleasures,

that as soon as the Son Married he eyed his daughter in

law and spent his all energies and effiorts in trying to woo

her for himself. And the dutiful son did not oppose him

but left house with his wife, without a bad word

to his father, and came back to serve him in his

old age forgetting the past, but the father

still does not treat the boy as his son, rather

as a competitor.What to say of such fathers.

Unfortunately I do not have their birth

details, but can just accentuate what you mentioned.

regards,

Bhaskar.

, " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha

stotram that

> there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of

kaliyuga

> that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not

caring for

> them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or

simply do

> not know how to raise a child.

>

> However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less

in

> others.

>

> For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for

the sake

> of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the

modern

> politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.

>

> On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away

his own

> children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.

>

> It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-

>

> a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie

mars act

> as Yoga karaka

> b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the

lagna lord

> saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna

>

> I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> 98492 70729

>

April 5, 2007

Dear Kishore,

I hope you do not mind, but this is generalization at its extreme. If I

remember right, and I could be wrong as age does not spare anyone,

Indira Gandhi also had cancer lagna and there were all sorts of rumors

about Sanjay Gandhi's accident. Is there any large scale data to support

this theory, like charts of mothers who have abandoned their children

and who reared even their illegitimate children having Capricorn and

Cancer lagnas respectively? Otherwise this must remain a speculation at

its best.

Of course this is my personal opinion and others more knowledgeable than

me might have a different opinion.

Chandrashekhar.

kishore patnaik wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha stotram that

> there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of kaliyuga

> that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not caring for

> them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or

> simply do

> not know how to raise a child.

>

> However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less in

> others.

>

> For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for

> the sake

> of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the modern

> politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.

>

> On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away his own

> children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.

>

> It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-

>

> a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie

> mars act

> as Yoga karaka

> b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the lagna lord

> saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna

>

> I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> 98492 70729

>

April 5, 2007

Hi

I want one of the B.V.Raman's book named " Graha and bhava balas "

Can you send it for me by email?

I wait.

thanks

hussein

Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46 wrote: Dear Kishore,

I hope you do not mind, but this is generalization at its extreme. If I

remember right, and I could be wrong as age does not spare anyone,

Indira Gandhi also had cancer lagna and there were all sorts of rumors

about Sanjay Gandhi's accident. Is there any large scale data to support

this theory, like charts of mothers who have abandoned their children

and who reared even their illegitimate children having Capricorn and

Cancer lagnas respectively? Otherwise this must remain a speculation at

its best.

Of course this is my personal opinion and others more knowledgeable than

me might have a different opinion.

Chandrashekhar.

kishore patnaik wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

> It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha stotram that

> there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of kaliyuga

> that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not caring for

> them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or

> simply do

> not know how to raise a child.

>

> However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less in

> others.

>

> For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for

> the sake

> of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the modern

> politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.

>

> On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away his own

> children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.

>

> It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-

>

> a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie

> mars act

> as Yoga karaka

> b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the lagna lord

> saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna

>

> I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> 98492 70729

>

April 6, 2007

Dear Tijana,

You wrote:

Dear Kishore,Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation.

My comments: Wonderful observation. This has escaped my notice.

You wrote:

If the fact that 5th lord becoming yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?

My comments:

We need to explore. You will notice that all three, cancer, capri and tula are chara lagnas but they have different natures-watery, earthy and airy. Those who come to me with problems of childlessness, the majority belong to capri and tula lagnas. Only very rarely they belong to cancer lagnas.

Warm regards,TijanaWarm regards,

Kishore patnaik

Om Gurave NamahDear Kishore,Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation. If the fact that 5th lord becoming

yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?Warm regards,Tijana

sohamsa , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>

> Dear all,> > It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha stotram that> there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of kaliyuga> that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not caring for> them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or simply do> not know how to raise a child.

> > However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less in> others.> > For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for the sake> of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the modern> politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.> > On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away his own> children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.

> > It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-> > a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie mars act> as Yoga karaka> b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the lagna lord> saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna> > I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.> > regards,> > Kishore patnaik

> > 98492 70729>

April 6, 2007

Om Gurave Namah,

Dear Kishore,

One more thing came to my mind. I think we should leave Tula lagna

aside for now…Cancer and Capricorn are also the signs of Mars`

debilitation/exaltation which stands in opposition to the Jupiter`s

situation. Jupiter-Mars yoga will give blessing of the Mother. Now,

in the case of the Cancer, debilitation of the Mars will give that

discipline problem that was mentioned and that`s way the Cancer lagna

mothers will be so tender and caring, and in the case of Capricorn

this will be the opposite?

Warm regards,

Tijana

sohamsa , " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> Dear Tijana,

>

> You wrote:

> Dear Kishore,

> Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of

> Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation.

>

> My comments: Wonderful observation. This has escaped my notice.

>

> You wrote:

>

> If the fact that 5th lord becoming

> yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude

> towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?

>

> My comments:

>

> We need to explore. You will notice that all three, cancer, capri

and tula

> are chara lagnas but they have different natures-watery, earthy and

airy.

> Those who come to me with problems of childlessness, the majority

belong to

> capri and tula lagnas. Only very rarely they belong to cancer

lagnas.

>

> Warm regards,

> Tijana

>

> Warm regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> Om Gurave Namah

> > Dear Kishore,

> > Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of

> > Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation. If the fact that 5th lord

becoming

> > yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude

> > towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?

> > Warm regards,

> > Tijana

> >

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%

40>, " kishorepatnaik "

> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha

> > stotram that

> > > there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of

> > kaliyuga

> > > that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not

> > caring for

> > > them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures

or

> > simply do

> > > not know how to raise a child.

> > >

> > > However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less

> > in

> > > others.

> > >

> > > For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything

for

> > the sake

> > > of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the

> > modern

> > > politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.

> > >

> > > On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat

away

> > his own

> > > children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic

gains.

> > >

> > > It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these

lagnas-

> > >

> > > a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord

ie

> > mars act

> > > as Yoga karaka

> > > b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the

> > lagna lord

> > > saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna

> > >

> > > I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with

examples.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Kishore patnaik

> > >

> > > 98492 70729

> > >

> >

>

April 6, 2007

Dear Tijana,

With this discussion,. the negative and positve sides of the both the lagnas as parents are slowly evolving. I hope more and more members will give their objective opinions with examples.

kishore patnaik

On 06 Apr 2007 06:17:37 -0700, nix_nixen <nix_nixen wrote:

Om Gurave Namah,Dear Kishore,One more thing came to my mind. I think we should leave Tula lagna aside for now…Cancer and Capricorn are also the signs of Mars` debilitation/exaltation which stands in opposition to the Jupiter`s situation. Jupiter-Mars yoga will give blessing of the Mother. Now, in the case of the Cancer, debilitation of the Mars will give that discipline problem that was mentioned and that`s way the Cancer lagna mothers will be so tender and caring, and in the case of Capricorn this will be the opposite? Warm regards,Tijana sohamsa

, " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear Tijana,> > You wrote:> Dear Kishore,> Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of

> Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation.> > My comments: Wonderful observation. This has escaped my notice.> > You wrote:> > If the fact that 5th lord becoming> yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude

> towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?> > My comments:> > We need to explore. You will notice that all three, cancer, capri and tula> are chara lagnas but they have different natures-watery, earthy and airy.> Those who come to me with problems of childlessness, the majority belong to> capri and tula lagnas. Only very rarely they belong to cancer lagnas.> > > > > > Warm regards,> Tijana> > Warm regards,> > Kishore patnaik> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Kishore,> > Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of

> > Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation. If the fact that 5th lord becoming> > yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude> > towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?

> > Warm regards,> > Tijana> >> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>, " kishorepatnaik " > > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha

> > stotram that> > > there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of> > kaliyuga> > > that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not> > caring for

> > > them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or> > simply do> > > not know how to raise a child.> > >> > > However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less

> > in> > > others.> > >> > > For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for> > the sake> > > of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the

> > modern> > > politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.> > >> > > On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away> > his own> > > children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.> > >> > > It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-> > >> > > a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord

ie> > mars act> > > as Yoga karaka> > > b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the> > lagna lord> > > saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna

> > >> > > I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Kishore patnaik> > >

> > > 98492 70729> > >> >> > > >>

April 6, 2007

Dear Kishore, I appreciate your attempt to find the rule in these cases, but must admit that your try to establish the rule / ju exalted/deb, Mars exalted deb/, seems to be bit 'overstretched'. Until, and unless we see the particular chart, I believe that we should stick just fo natural characteristic. Lagna being so important, do allow us to expect more child -centered attitude, BECAUSE it's ruled by Moon. Cp and Saturn are not necessarily bad parents, but DIFFERENT. Both can learn for each other in 'hypothetical parenting class/ Ju exaltation/deb does further give some info, but this is in the range we ready mention Mo/Sa. So is the case with Yoga-karakas. In short I would rather not make any generalization, pretend having craved-in-stone-rule, because I am sure that would be way too simplifying. Rehards, Anna nix_nixen <nix_nixen wrote: Om Gurave Namah,Dear Kishore,One more thing came to my mind. I think we should leave Tula lagna aside for now…Cancer and Capricorn are also the signs of Mars` debilitation/exaltation which stands in opposition to the Jupiter`s situation. Jupiter-Mars yoga will give blessing of the Mother. Now, in the case of the Cancer, debilitation of the Mars will give that discipline problem that was mentioned and that`s way the

Cancer lagna mothers will be so tender and caring, and in the case of Capricorn this will be the opposite? Warm regards,Tijana sohamsa , "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear Tijana,> > You wrote:> Dear Kishore,> Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of> Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation.> > My comments: Wonderful observation. This has escaped my notice.> > You wrote:> > If the fact that 5th lord becoming> yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude> towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?> > My comments:> > We need to explore. You will notice that all three, cancer, capri and tula> are chara lagnas but they have different

natures-watery, earthy and airy.> Those who come to me with problems of childlessness, the majority belong to> capri and tula lagnas. Only very rarely they belong to cancer lagnas.> > > > > > Warm regards,> Tijana> > Warm regards,> > Kishore patnaik> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Kishore,> > Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of> > Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation. If the fact that 5th lord becoming> > yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude> > towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?> > Warm regards,> > Tijana> >> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, "kishorepatnaik"> >

<kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha> > stotram that> > > there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of> > kaliyuga> > > that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not> > caring for> > > them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or> > simply do> > > not know how to raise a child.> > >> > > However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less> > in> > > others.> > >> > > For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for> > the sake> > > of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the> > modern> > > politics- Sonia

gandhi and Deve gowda.> > >> > > On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away> > his own> > > children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.> > >> > > It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-> > >> > > a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie> > mars act> > > as Yoga karaka> > > b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the> > lagna lord> > > saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna> > >> > > I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Kishore patnaik> > >> > > 98492 70729> > >>

>> > > >>

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dear chandra sekhar,

please show me one dictum which is not a generalization! We are only

discussing the general nature of the lagna and obviously, in some cases this

will find its full bloom and in some cases, it may even show reverse

effects. You should not and can not predict anything unless you see the

chart in its entirity.

This is the refrain-that you shud read in its entirity- I always have taken

and repeated tirelessly in my posts.

We can discuss only the generalizations in academic circles which can get

ruthlessly modified when applied to individual charts.

please do not take things so personal.

regards,

Kishore patnaik

On 05 Apr 2007 11:43:38 -0700, Chandrashekhar <chandrashekhar46

wrote:

>

> Dear Kishore,

>

> I hope you do not mind, but this is generalization at its extreme. If I

> remember right, and I could be wrong as age does not spare anyone,

> Indira Gandhi also had cancer lagna and there were all sorts of rumors

> about Sanjay Gandhi's accident. Is there any large scale data to support

> this theory, like charts of mothers who have abandoned their children

> and who reared even their illegitimate children having Capricorn and

> Cancer lagnas respectively? Otherwise this must remain a speculation at

> its best.

>

> Of course this is my personal opinion and others more knowledgeable than

> me might have a different opinion.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> kishore patnaik wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha stotram that

> > there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of kaliyuga

> > that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not caring

> for

> > them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or

> > simply do

> > not know how to raise a child.

> >

> > However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less in

> > others.

> >

> > For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for

> > the sake

> > of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the modern

> > politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.

> >

> > On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away his

> own

> > children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.

> >

> > It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-

> >

> > a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie

> > mars act

> > as Yoga karaka

> > b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the lagna

> lord

> > saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna

> >

> > I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> > 98492 70729

> >

April 6, 2007

Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji

" Of course this is my personal opinion and others more knowledgeable than me

might have a different opinion. "

Why can't people less knowledgeable than you have a different opinion? And

comparison based on knowledge would be a contradiction.

Just a thought.

Thanks and Regards

Bharat

April 6, 2007

ॐ श्री राघवेन्द्राय नमः॥ ॐ श्री लक्ष्मीन्रुसिंहाय नमः॥ Dear Kishore Ji, You said Makara Lagna natives will sell their children also for their selfishness.Now can you please check the character of the following native (

Male ) whose Lagna is Makara : Date of Birth : 23/03/1952 Time of Birth : 03:35:39 Hrs. Time Zone : 5-30 Hrs.from GMT ( east ) Lat.: 12 Degs.N 58'59" Long.: 74 Degs.E 46'59" With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. nix_nixen <nix_nixen wrote: Om Gurave Namah,Dear Kishore,One more thing came to my mind. I think we should leave Tula lagna aside for now…Cancer and Capricorn are also the signs of Mars` debilitation/exaltation which stands in opposition to the Jupiter`s situation. Jupiter-Mars yoga will give blessing of the Mother. Now, in the case of the Cancer, debilitation of the Mars will give that discipline problem that was mentioned and that`s way the Cancer lagna mothers will be so tender and caring, and in the case of Capricorn this will be the opposite? Warm regards,Tijana sohamsa , "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear Tijana,> > You wrote:> Dear Kishore,> Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of> Jupiter`s

exaltation/debilitation.> > My comments: Wonderful observation. This has escaped my notice.> > You wrote:> > If the fact that 5th lord becoming> yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude> towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?> > My comments:> > We need to explore. You will notice that all three, cancer, capri and tula> are chara lagnas but they have different natures-watery, earthy and airy.> Those who come to me with problems of childlessness, the majority belong to> capri and tula lagnas. Only very rarely they belong to cancer lagnas.> > > > > > Warm regards,> Tijana> > Warm regards,> > Kishore patnaik> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Kishore,> > Certainly it is not the coincidence

that these two are signs of> > Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation. If the fact that 5th lord becoming> > yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude> > towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?> > Warm regards,> > Tijana> >> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, "kishorepatnaik"> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha> > stotram that> > > there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of> > kaliyuga> > > that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not> > caring for> > > them in their eternal search for more and

more carnal pleasures or> > simply do> > > not know how to raise a child.> > >> > > However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less> > in> > > others.> > >> > > For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for> > the sake> > > of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the> > modern> > > politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.> > >> > > On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away> > his own> > > children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.> > >> > > It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-> > >> > > a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie> > mars

act> > > as Yoga karaka> > > b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the> > lagna lord> > > saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna> > >> > > I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Kishore patnaik> > >> > > 98492 70729> > >> >> > > >>

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Dear Ramadas, Thank you for your patience- Some have to be repeatedly reminded that one sign astrology is - onesided=wrong. I know it all comes from a western Sun-sigh-"popular" astrology, and it has been treated mostly as fun- not even western astrologer would give this more credit than this. Regards, AnnaRamadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote: ॐ

श्री राघवेन्द्राय नमः॥ ॐ श्री लक्ष्मीन्रुसिंहाय नमः॥ Dear Kishore Ji, You said Makara Lagna natives will sell their children also for their selfishness.Now can you please check the character of the following native ( Male ) whose Lagna is Makara : Date of Birth : 23/03/1952 Time of Birth : 03:35:39 Hrs. Time Zone : 5-30 Hrs.from GMT ( east ) Lat.: 12

Degs.N 58'59" Long.: 74 Degs.E 46'59" With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. nix_nixen <nix_nixen > wrote: Om Gurave Namah,Dear Kishore,One more thing came to my mind. I think we should leave Tula lagna aside for now…Cancer and Capricorn are also the signs of Mars` debilitation/exaltation which stands in opposition to the Jupiter`s situation. Jupiter-Mars yoga will give blessing of the Mother. Now, in the case of the Cancer, debilitation of the Mars will give that discipline problem that was mentioned and that`s way the Cancer lagna mothers will be so tender and caring, and in the case of Capricorn

this will be the opposite? Warm regards,Tijana sohamsa , "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear Tijana,> > You wrote:> Dear Kishore,> Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of> Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation.> > My comments: Wonderful observation. This has escaped my notice.> > You wrote:> > If the fact that 5th lord becoming> yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude> towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?> > My comments:> > We need to explore. You will notice that all three, cancer, capri and tula> are chara lagnas but they have different natures-watery, earthy and airy.> Those who come to me with problems of

childlessness, the majority belong to> capri and tula lagnas. Only very rarely they belong to cancer lagnas.> > > > > > Warm regards,> Tijana> > Warm regards,> > Kishore patnaik> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Kishore,> > Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of> > Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation. If the fact that 5th lord becoming> > yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude> > towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?> > Warm regards,> > Tijana> >> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, "kishorepatnaik"> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear

all,> > >> > > It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha> > stotram that> > > there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of> > kaliyuga> > > that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not> > caring for> > > them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or> > simply do> > > not know how to raise a child.> > >> > > However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less> > in> > > others.> > >> > > For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for> > the sake> > > of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the> > modern> > > politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.> > >> > > On the other hand,

capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away> > his own> > > children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.> > >> > > It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-> > >> > > a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie> > mars act> > > as Yoga karaka> > > b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the> > lagna lord> > > saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna> > >> > > I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Kishore patnaik> > >> > > 98492 70729> > >> >> > > >> Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers

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Dear Bharat,

That is because I treat everybody else as having more knowledge than me,

in vedic astrology.

Chandrashekhar.

Bharat - Hindu Astrology wrote:

>

> Namaste Sri Chandrashekharji

>

> " Of course this is my personal opinion and others more knowledgeable

> than me

> might have a different opinion. "

>

> Why can't people less knowledgeable than you have a different opinion? And

> comparison based on knowledge would be a contradiction.

>

> Just a thought.

>

> Thanks and Regards

> Bharat

>

April 7, 2007

ॐ श्री राघवेन्द्राय नमः॥ ॐ श्री लक्ष्मीन्रुसिंहाय नमः॥ Dear Anna, Thanks for your reply.So it means we can not come to a conclusion by looking into few charts only.In Makara Rashi, the best Nakshatra Abhijit comes.So how

when a person born with this Nakshatra as Lagna Nakshatra can deprive of his children ? The other auspicious Nakshatra is Shravana whose Lord is Lord Vishnu Himself. I hope this helps. With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.108ar <bona_mente wrote: Dear Ramadas, Thank you for your patience- Some have to be repeatedly reminded that one sign astrology is -

onesided=wrong. I know it all comes from a western Sun-sigh-"popular" astrology, and it has been treated mostly as fun- not even western astrologer would give this more credit than this. Regards, AnnaRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: ॐ श्री राघवेन्द्राय नमः॥ ॐ श्री लक्ष्मीन्रुसिंहाय

नमः॥ Dear Kishore Ji, You said Makara Lagna natives will sell their children also for their selfishness.Now can you please check the character of the following native ( Male ) whose Lagna is Makara : Date of Birth : 23/03/1952 Time of Birth : 03:35:39 Hrs. Time Zone : 5-30 Hrs.from GMT ( east ) Lat.: 12 Degs.N 58'59" Long.: 74 Degs.E 46'59" With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. nix_nixen <nix_nixen > wrote:

Om Gurave Namah,Dear Kishore,One more thing came to my mind. I think we should leave Tula lagna aside for now…Cancer and Capricorn are also the signs of Mars` debilitation/exaltation which stands in opposition to the Jupiter`s situation. Jupiter-Mars yoga will give blessing of the Mother. Now, in the case of the Cancer, debilitation of the Mars will give that discipline problem that was mentioned and that`s way the Cancer lagna mothers will be so tender and caring, and in the case of Capricorn this will be the opposite? Warm regards,Tijana sohamsa , "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear Tijana,> > You wrote:> Dear Kishore,> Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of> Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation.>

> My comments: Wonderful observation. This has escaped my notice.> > You wrote:> > If the fact that 5th lord becoming> yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude> towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?> > My comments:> > We need to explore. You will notice that all three, cancer, capri and tula> are chara lagnas but they have different natures-watery, earthy and airy.> Those who come to me with problems of childlessness, the majority belong to> capri and tula lagnas. Only very rarely they belong to cancer lagnas.> > > > > > Warm regards,> Tijana> > Warm regards,> > Kishore patnaik> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Kishore,> > Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of>

> Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation. If the fact that 5th lord becoming> > yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude> > towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?> > Warm regards,> > Tijana> >> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, "kishorepatnaik"> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha> > stotram that> > > there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of> > kaliyuga> > > that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not> > caring for> > > them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or>

> simply do> > > not know how to raise a child.> > >> > > However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less> > in> > > others.> > >> > > For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for> > the sake> > > of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the> > modern> > > politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.> > >> > > On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away> > his own> > > children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.> > >> > > It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-> > >> > > a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie> > mars act> > > as Yoga karaka>

> > b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the> > lagna lord> > > saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna> > >> > > I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Kishore patnaik> > >> > > 98492 70729> > >> >> > > >> Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Don't pick lemons.See all the new 2007 cars at Autos.

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Sir, Having a nakshatra is one thing- which is related to moon and being born in a specific lagna is all together different. In fact, it is Parasara who has tried to demarcate this difference and has brought the science of reading a chart on the basis of zodiac, rather than on the basis of the nakshatras, to the forefront. there is no good or bad zodiac signs. We are discussing the general principles and as I have replied to sri chandrasekhar, the general principles can take a u turn in some charts thanks to the combinations present. In any case, please post your ideas, in favor of or against the argument instead of condemning the same in toto. Hope this clears, kishore patnaik On 07 Apr 2007 00:50:37 -0700, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote:

à¥ à¤¶à¥à¤°à¥€ à¤°à¤¾à¤˜à¤µà¥‡à¤¨à¥à¤¦à¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¯ à¤¨à¤®à¤ƒà¥¥ à¥ à¤¶à¥à¤°à¥€ à¤²à¤•à¥à¤·à¥à¤®à¥€à¤¨à¥à¤°à¥à¤¸à¤¿à¤‚à¤¹à¤¾à¤¯ à¤¨à¤®à¤ƒà¥¥ Dear Anna, Thanks for your reply.So it means we can not come to a conclusion by looking into few charts only.In Makara Rashi, the best Nakshatra Abhijit comes.So how

when a person born with this Nakshatra as Lagna Nakshatra can deprive of his children ? The other auspicious Nakshatra is Shravana whose Lord is Lord Vishnu Himself. I hope this helps.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.

108ar <bona_mente wrote:

Dear Ramadas, Thank you for your patience- Some have to be repeatedly reminded that one sign astrology is -

onesided=wrong. I know it all comes from a western Sun-sigh- " popular " astrology, and it has been treated mostly as fun- not even western astrologer would give this more credit than this. Regards,

AnnaRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

à¤¨à¤®à¤ƒà¥¥ Dear Kishore Ji, You said Makara Lagna natives will sell their children also for their selfishness.Now can you please check the character of the following native ( Male ) whose Lagna is Makara :

Date of Birth : 23/03/1952 Time of Birth : 03:35:39 Hrs. Time Zone : 5-30 Hrs.from GMT ( east )

Lat.: 12 Degs.N 58'59 " Long.: 74 Degs.E 46'59 " With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao. nix_nixen <nix_nixen wrote:

Om Gurave Namah,Dear Kishore,One more thing came to my mind. I think we should leave Tula lagna aside for nowâ€¦Cancer and Capricorn are also the signs of Mars` debilitation/exaltation which stands in opposition to the Jupiter`s situation. Jupiter-Mars yoga will give blessing of the Mother. Now, in the case of the Cancer, debilitation of the Mars will give that discipline problem that was mentioned and that`s way the Cancer lagna

mothers will be so tender and caring, and in the case of Capricorn this will be the opposite? Warm regards,Tijana

sohamsa , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear Tijana,> > You wrote:> Dear Kishore,> Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of

> Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation.>

> My comments: Wonderful observation. This has escaped my notice.> > You wrote:> > If the fact that 5th lord becoming> yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude

> towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?> > My comments:> > We need to explore. You will notice that all three, cancer, capri and tula> are chara lagnas but they have different natures-watery, earthy and airy.> Those who come to me with problems of childlessness, the majority belong to> capri and tula lagnas. Only very rarely they belong to cancer lagnas.> > > > > > Warm regards,> Tijana> > Warm regards,> > Kishore patnaik> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Kishore,> > Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of

>

> Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation. If the fact that 5th lord becoming> > yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude> > towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?

> > Warm regards,> > Tijana> >> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40>, " kishorepatnaik " > > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha

> > stotram that> > > there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of> > kaliyuga> > > that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not> > caring for

> > > them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or>

> simply do> > > not know how to raise a child.> > >> > > However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less> > in> > > others.> > >

> > > For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for> > the sake> > > of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the> > modern> > > politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.

> > >> > > On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away> > his own> > > children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.> > >

> > > It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-> > >> > > a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie> > mars act

> > > as Yoga karaka>

> > b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the> > lagna lord> > > saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna> > >> > > I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Kishore patnaik> > >> > > 98492 70729> > >> >> > > >>

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Dear Kishore, >i appreciate your attempt to find the rule in these cases, but must admit

that your try to establish the rule / ju exalted/deb, Mars exalted

deb/, seems to be bit 'overstretched'.No, I have not attempted it. A member has posted that in favor of what I have written and I just appreciated that. Until,

and unless we see the particular chart, I believe that we should stick

just fo natural characteristic. Lagna being so important, do allow us

to expect more child -centered attitude, BECAUSE it's ruled by Moon. Cp

and Saturn are not necessarily bad parents, but DIFFERENT. Both can

learn for each other in 'hypothetical parenting class/ Ju exaltation/deb does further give some info, but this is in the range we ready mention Mo/Sa. So is the case with Yoga-karakas. In

short I would rather not make any generalization, pretend having

craved-in-stone-rule, because I am sure that would be way too

simplifying. Rehards, Anna We are trying to have generalizations no doubt but they have got to be modified in terms of the planetary combinations present in the chart. Did we never meet stoic cancerians? I can show any number of contemplating arians.... In any case, I think you should talk more astrology -either condemn or support on the basis of classical/modern texts or your experience. Just pillorizing me does not take us anywhere in terms of knowledge.

Kishore patnaik

April 7, 2007

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Om Namah Shivaya,

Dear Friends,

Having an attitude towards children is not generally decided by Lagna as stated by some of the list members. Lagna is intelligence and we can think that having children for me or for you is good or bad. But the behaviour towards one children will AMONG other things depend on the lord of the 5th house /sign in the 5th or 9th in Stri Jataka. So Cancer lagna are extreme towards their children and over protective, vrischika being in 5th house ruled by Ketu *headless body guard:)) and Mangala. So please do not generalize about the nature of one's lagna,otherwise we will be beating around the bush, as Ana rightly stated that there are no good or bad signs, and here we will enter what is good or bad/ the concept of mana-right?

Best wishes

Zoran RadosavljevicAdministrator at SIVA INSTITUTEwww.siva-edu.com

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kishore patnaik

sohamsa

Saturday, April 07, 2007 2:12 PM

Re: Re: selfishness towards children

Sir, Having a nakshatra is one thing- which is related to moon and being born in a specific lagna is all together different. In fact, it is Parasara who has tried to demarcate this difference and has brought the science of reading a chart on the basis of zodiac, rather than on the basis of the nakshatras, to the forefront. there is no good or bad zodiac signs. We are discussing the general principles and as I have replied to sri chandrasekhar, the general principles can take a u turn in some charts thanks to the combinations present. In any case, please post your ideas, in favor of or against the argument instead of condemning the same in toto. Hope this clears, kishore patnaik

On 07 Apr 2007 00:50:37 -0700, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Anna,

Thanks for your reply.So it means we can not come to a conclusion by looking into few charts only.In Makara Rashi, the best Nakshatra Abhijit comes.So how when a person born with this Nakshatra as Lagna Nakshatra can deprive of his children ? The other auspicious Nakshatra is Shravana whose Lord is Lord Vishnu Himself.

I hope this helps.

With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

108ar <bona_mente > wrote:

Dear Ramadas,

Thank you for your patience- Some have to be repeatedly reminded that one sign astrology is - onesided=wrong. I know it all comes from a western Sun-sigh-"popular" astrology, and it has been treated mostly as fun- not even western astrologer would give this more credit than this.

Regards,

AnnaRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:

Dear Kishore Ji,

You said Makara Lagna natives will sell their children also for their selfishness.Now can you please check the character of the following native ( Male ) whose Lagna is Makara :

Date of Birth : 23/03/1952

Time of Birth : 03:35:39 Hrs.

Time Zone : 5-30 Hrs.from GMT ( east )

Lat.: 12 Degs.N 58'59"

Long.: 74 Degs.E 46'59"

With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana,

Ramadas Rao.

nix_nixen <nix_nixen > wrote:

Om Gurave Namah,Dear Kishore,One more thing came to my mind. I think we should leave Tula lagna aside for nowâ€¦Cancer and Capricorn are also the signs of Mars` debilitation/exaltation which stands in opposition to the Jupiter`s situation. Jupiter-Mars yoga will give blessing of the Mother. Now, in the case of the Cancer, debilitation of the Mars will give that discipline problem that was mentioned and that`s way the Cancer lagna mothers will be so tender and caring, and in the case of Capricorn this will be the opposite? Warm regards,Tijana sohamsa , "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear Tijana,> > You wrote:> Dear Kishore,> Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of > Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation.> > My comments: Wonderful observation. This has escaped my notice.> > You wrote:> > If the fact that 5th lord becoming> yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude > towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?> > My comments:> > We need to explore. You will notice that all three, cancer, capri and tula> are chara lagnas but they have different natures-watery, earthy and airy.> Those who come to me with problems of childlessness, the majority belong to> capri and tula lagnas. Only very rarely they belong to cancer lagnas.> > > > > > Warm regards,> Tijana> > Warm regards,> > Kishore patnaik> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Kishore,> > Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of > > Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation. If the fact that 5th lord becoming> > yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude> > towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this? > > Warm regards,> > Tijana> >> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, "kishorepatnaik"> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha > > stotram that> > > there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of> > kaliyuga> > > that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not> > caring for > > > them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or> > simply do> > > not know how to raise a child.> > >> > > However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less> > in> > > others.> > > > > > For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for> > the sake> > > of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the> > modern> > > politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda. > > >> > > On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away> > his own> > > children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.> > > > > > It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-> > >> > > a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie> > mars act> > > as Yoga karaka> > > b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the> > lagna lord> > > saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna> > >> > > I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Kishore patnaik> > >> > > 98492 70729> > >> >> > > >>

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Dear Ramadas, Good that you pointed out naksatrds , so important issue. I am glad you brought this to our attention. Honestly, there is something frivolous about 'cook-book' statements like these 'which lagna practice selfishness twrd children'. I am sure that every lagna can be good for parenting, though parenting style may be different. As for Makara, they may teach children valuable things: work habit, responsibility, dignity.. that would certainly make their lives better. On the other hand, traditionally considered a good Lagna for parenting, Ta Lagna, maybe very abusive if Rahu is in Lagna! The rule seems to be the state of ANY Lagna, affliction to the Lord, and the chart in general, as a matter of fact. May I ask you /unrelated/ Q? My Sun is in Sun's naksatra, and is in 28th naksatra in fact. How would you interpret this /I've always felt my Sun to be strong, my Sun MD was excellent, etc/. But

lacking more info I look at it as 27th, while in fact it's 28th naksatra- please shed some light on this, what quality that brings to the planet /Su and Mo?/ Warmest wishes, AnnaRamadas Rao <ramadasrao wrote: ॐ श्री राघवेन्द्राय

नमः॥ ॐ श्री लक्ष्मीन्रुसिंहाय नमः॥ Dear Anna, Thanks for your reply.So it means we can not come to a conclusion by looking into few charts only.In Makara Rashi, the best Nakshatra Abhijit comes.So how when a person born with this Nakshatra as Lagna Nakshatra can deprive of his children ? The other auspicious Nakshatra is Shravana whose Lord is Lord Vishnu Himself. I hope this helps. With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao.108ar

<bona_mente > wrote: Dear Ramadas, Thank you for your patience- Some have to be repeatedly reminded that one sign astrology is - onesided=wrong. I know it all comes from a western Sun-sigh-"popular" astrology, and it has been treated mostly as fun- not even western astrologer would give this more credit than this. Regards, AnnaRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: ॐ श्री राघवेन्द्राय

नमः॥ ॐ श्री लक्ष्मीन्रुसिंहाय नमः॥ Dear Kishore Ji, You said Makara Lagna natives will sell their children also for their selfishness.Now can you please check the character of the following native ( Male ) whose Lagna is Makara : Date of Birth : 23/03/1952 Time of Birth : 03:35:39 Hrs. Time Zone : 5-30 Hrs.from GMT ( east ) Lat.: 12 Degs.N 58'59" Long.: 74 Degs.E 46'59" With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. nix_nixen <nix_nixen > wrote: Om Gurave Namah,Dear Kishore,One more thing came to my mind. I think we should leave Tula lagna aside for now…Cancer and Capricorn are also the signs of Mars` debilitation/exaltation which stands in opposition to the Jupiter`s situation. Jupiter-Mars yoga will give blessing of the Mother. Now, in the case of the Cancer, debilitation of the Mars will give that discipline problem that was mentioned and that`s way the Cancer lagna mothers will be so tender and caring, and in the case of Capricorn this will be the opposite? Warm regards,Tijana sohamsa , "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear Tijana,> > You wrote:> Dear Kishore,> Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of> Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation.> > My comments: Wonderful observation. This has escaped my notice.> > You wrote:> > If the fact that 5th lord becoming> yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude> towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?> > My comments:> > We need to explore. You will notice that all three, cancer, capri and tula> are chara lagnas but they have different natures-watery, earthy and airy.> Those who come to me with problems of childlessness, the majority belong to> capri and tula lagnas. Only very

rarely they belong to cancer lagnas.> > > > > > Warm regards,> Tijana> > Warm regards,> > Kishore patnaik> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Kishore,> > Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of> > Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation. If the fact that 5th lord becoming> > yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude> > towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?> > Warm regards,> > Tijana> >> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, "kishorepatnaik"> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi

aparatha> > stotram that> > > there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of> > kaliyuga> > > that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not> > caring for> > > them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or> > simply do> > > not know how to raise a child.> > >> > > However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less> > in> > > others.> > >> > > For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for> > the sake> > > of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the> > modern> > > politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda.> > >> > > On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away> > his own> > >

children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.> > >> > > It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-> > >> > > a) Cancerian gives to children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie> > mars act> > > as Yoga karaka> > > b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the> > lagna lord> > > saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna> > >> > > I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Kishore patnaik> > >> > > 98492 70729> > >> >> > > >> Here’s a new way to find what you're looking for -

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ॐ श्री राघवेन्द्राय नमः॥ ॐ श्री लक्ष्मीन्रुसिंहाय नमः॥ Dear Kishore Ji, I never discouraged you.Also I gave some examples of Lagna Nakshatra which is different from Chandra's Nakshatra or Janma Nakshatra.Makara Lagna has

Uttarashada,Shravana and Dhanishta Nakshatras and I wrote to you about the birth in Abhijit and Shravana Lagna Nakshatras will make a person hard working, warm hearted, loves his family etc.Abhijit falls between 276 Degs.40' and 280 Degs.54'13".The presiding deity of this special Nakshatra is Lord Brahma and the persons born in this Nakshatra as Lagna Nakshatra, they come up very fast in the life,they are highly God fearing,learn occult studies. So what I meant to say is that just by Lagna only we can not analyse one's character but we have to look into other planets positions in Rashi and Navamsha charts and that will give us a clear picture of the character of a person.Even if a person is a good palmist,then by looking into Pitru Rekha, Matru Rekha and Ayur Rekhas ( Lines of life,head and heart ),one can easily interpret one's character. Well, I am not going to analyse the chart which I gave to

you.That is for your analysis. With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: Sir, Having a nakshatra is one thing- which is related to moon and being born in a specific lagna is all together different. In fact, it is Parasara who has tried to demarcate this difference and has

brought the science of reading a chart on the basis of zodiac, rather than on the basis of the nakshatras, to the forefront. there is no good or bad zodiac signs. We are discussing the general principles and as I have replied to sri chandrasekhar, the general principles can take a u turn in some charts thanks to the combinations present. In any case, please post your ideas, in favor of or against the argument instead of condemning the same in toto. Hope this clears, kishore patnaik On 07 Apr 2007 00:50:37 -0700, Ramadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: à¥ à¤¶à¥à¤°à¥€

à¤°à¤¾à¤˜à¤µà¥‡à¤¨à¥à¤¦à¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¯ à¤¨à¤®à¤ƒà¥¥ à¥ à¤¶à¥à¤°à¥€ à¤²à¤•à¥à¤·à¥à¤®à¥€à¤¨à¥à¤°à¥à¤¸à¤¿à¤‚à¤¹à¤¾à¤¯ à¤¨à¤®à¤ƒà¥¥ Dear Anna, Thanks for your reply.So it means we can not come to a conclusion by looking into few charts only.In Makara Rashi, the best Nakshatra Abhijit comes.So how when a person born with this Nakshatra as Lagna Nakshatra can deprive of his children ? The other auspicious Nakshatra is Shravana whose Lord is Lord Vishnu Himself. I hope this helps. With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. 108ar <bona_mente > wrote: Dear Ramadas, Thank you for your patience- Some have to be repeatedly reminded that one sign astrology is - onesided=wrong. I know it all comes from a western Sun-sigh-"popular" astrology, and it has been treated mostly as fun- not even western astrologer would give this more credit than this. Regards, AnnaRamadas Rao <ramadasrao (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: à¥ à¤¶à¥à¤°à¥€ à¤°à¤¾à¤˜à¤µà¥‡à¤¨à¥à¤¦à¥à¤°à¤¾à¤¯ à¤¨à¤®à¤ƒà¥¥ à¥ à¤¶à¥à¤°à¥€

à¤²à¤•à¥à¤·à¥à¤®à¥€à¤¨à¥à¤°à¥à¤¸à¤¿à¤‚à¤¹à¤¾à¤¯ à¤¨à¤®à¤ƒà¥¥ Dear Kishore Ji, You said Makara Lagna natives will sell their children also for their selfishness.Now can you please check the character of the following native ( Male ) whose Lagna is Makara : Date of Birth : 23/03/1952 Time of Birth : 03:35:39 Hrs. Time Zone : 5-30 Hrs.from GMT ( east ) Lat.: 12 Degs.N 58'59" Long.: 74 Degs.E 46'59" With Shri Hari Vaayu Guru Naama Smarana, Ramadas Rao. nix_nixen <nix_nixen > wrote: Om Gurave Namah,Dear Kishore,One more thing came to my mind. I think we should leave Tula lagna aside for nowâ€¦Cancer and Capricorn are also the signs of Mars` debilitation/exaltation which stands in opposition to the Jupiter`s situation. Jupiter-Mars yoga will give blessing of the Mother. Now, in the case of the Cancer, debilitation of the Mars will give that discipline problem that was mentioned and that`s way the Cancer lagna mothers will be so tender and caring, and in the case of Capricorn this will be the opposite? Warm regards,Tijana sohamsa , "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Dear Tijana,> > You wrote:> Dear Kishore,> Certainly it is not the coincidence that these two are signs of >

Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation.> > My comments: Wonderful observation. This has escaped my notice.> > You wrote:> > If the fact that 5th lord becoming> yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude > towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this?> > My comments:> > We need to explore. You will notice that all three, cancer, capri and tula> are chara lagnas but they have different natures-watery, earthy and airy.> Those who come to me with problems of childlessness, the majority belong to> capri and tula lagnas. Only very rarely they belong to cancer lagnas.> > > > > > Warm regards,> Tijana> > Warm regards,> > Kishore patnaik> > > Om Gurave Namah> > Dear Kishore,> > Certainly it is not the

coincidence that these two are signs of > > Jupiter`s exaltation/debilitation. If the fact that 5th lord becoming> > yoga karaka for some lagnas has to do with their general attitude> > towards children, what can we say about Tula lagna regarding this? > > Warm regards,> > Tijana> >> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40>, "kishorepatnaik"> > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear all,> > >> > > It is Sankaracarya who said in his all famous Devi aparatha > > stotram that> > > there are bad sons but not bad mothers. But it is the effect of> > kaliyuga> > > that we find mothers and fathers abandoning their children, not> > caring

for > > > them in their eternal search for more and more carnal pleasures or> > simply do> > > not know how to raise a child.> > >> > > However, these tendencies are more in some lagna people and less> > in> > > others.> > > > > > For eg, even the most selfish cancerians can sacrifice anything for> > the sake> > > of their children Two fantastic examples can be seen from the> > modern> > > politics- Sonia gandhi and Deve gowda. > > >> > > On the other hand, capricorn, the sign of water snake can eat away> > his own> > > children to quench their own hunger for more materialistic gains.> > > > > > It is interesting to see how the yoga karakas work in these lagnas-> > >> > > a) Cancerian gives to

children To compensate this, the 5th lord ie> > mars act> > > as Yoga karaka> > > b) Capricorn takes from their children. To compensate this, the> > lagna lord> > > saturn has to act as Yoga karaka to the 5th lagna ie Tarus lagna> > >> > > I appreciate if the group can kindly discuss on these with examples.> > >> > > regards,> > >> > > Kishore patnaik> > >> > > 98492 70729> > >> >> > > >> Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers Don't pick lemons.See all the new 2007 cars at Autos. Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers

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