2-All: Vedic astrology - Why called 'Vedic'....

September 30, 2008

Dear Shri Mark Kincaid,

Namaskar!

You have said

<One of the greatest descriptions I ever heard about so-called 'Vedic'

astrology was by the great Indian Guru, His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh

Yogi.

He said that what made Jyotish or Vedic astrology special, vedic or

true was the fact that it came from the consciousness cognitions of

Vedic seers.>

In this regard, I am separately posting (actually re-posting!) a copy

of my speech delivered a few years back at Rotary Club in West Delhi.

The heading of that speech itself is/was " Vedic astrology " --the

greatest fraud on the Vedas!

A copy of that speech was sent to the late Mahesh Yogi also, whom you

have quoted, apart from quite a few other dharmacharyas and jagadugurs

etc. etc. I have yet to receive any reply from any of the yogis or

dharmacharyas or jagadgurus!

You might also have observed that post on several other forums as well

including those of " Vedic astrology " .

All the questions raised be me in that post remain unanswered till

date even when posted on such forums as claim to be masters of " Vedic

astrology "

Would you be kind enough to go through that post now and let me have

your views regarding the objections raised by me as to why it is a

fraud to call any type of predictive gimmicks as " Vedic astrology " ,

especially since it is that very fraud which is compelling the entire

Hindu, Jain and Budhist communities etc. to celebrate all their

festivals and muhurtas on wrong days!

With regards,

A K Kaul

, " Mark Kincaid "

<markkincaid wrote:

>

> One of the greatest descriptions I ever heard about so-called

'Vedic'

> astrology

> was by the great Indian Guru, His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

>

> He said that what made Jyotish or Vedic astrology special, vedic or

true

> was the fact

> that it came from the consciousness cognitions of Vedic seers.

>

> After studying Jyotish now, myself for over 22 years I can say the

most

> profound aspect

> of Jyotish is that it is true!

>

> I've never met a person who's chart doesn't fit them! Now, after

7,000

> people I can say

> with tremendous certainty that our chart's fit us.

>

> But, there is still a great need to bring astroogy into step with

modern

> day science.

>

> But, that can be done in so many different ways.

>

> Take any of the ennumerable ideas of Jyotish and study people and

see

> that these theories

> are in fact true.

>

> For example, Jyotish says the Moon represents each person's

emotional,

> mental or feeling nature. This means how well the Moon's doing in

our

> charts, determines how emotional mature or stable the person is.

>

> This would be completely easy to validate.

>

> Take 1,000 people and give them a battery of simple psychological

> questions and then,

> compare with the strength of Moon in each person's chart; and we'll

find

> a very high

> scientific correlation.

>

> Even in my own example, of doing so many thousands of people, even

> though they weren't

> studied scientifically; they all each one of them, had an exact 1 to

1

> correspondence between

> their Moon's and their emotions!

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

> www..com

> /

> markkincaid

>

> , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> > WAVES-Vedic , Prem Sabhlok psabhlok@ wrote:

> >

> > I do not know why it is called Vedic Astrology. May be I have

missed

> > that mantra/hymn/Rik in Vedas which refers to Astrology (Jyotish

> > Vidya). Mantras relating to Astronomy, Algebra, physical sciences,

> > Medical sciences etc are there but about Astrology I could not

find

> > any reference in Vedas. In Ramayana and Mahabharta which are Vedas

> > retold, also there is no reference to Astrology. Can any Vedic

scholar

> > throw some light on this aspect? Some learned people have found

that

> > astrology started in Greece as a hobby but not as a science. To my

> > understanding Vedas do not have even the concept of

> > auspicious/inauspicious time/period.

> > With kind regards,

> > P.K.Sabhlok

> >

> > waves-vedic@: jyotirved@: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:01:27

> > +0000[WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the

greatest

> > fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)

> >

> > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > <jyotirved@> wrote:Shri Ravilochananji,Namaskar!<I concur with

your

> > views. NOwhere is it said in our epics or Puranas that the Kings

or

> > Princes consulted astrologers before marriage. Neither did Lord

Ram

> > consult an astrologer before taking part in the bow contest nor

did

> > Lord Krishna went in search of astrologers before departing to

carry

> > away Devi Rukmini.>The fad of kings consulting jyotishis was

started

> > through his Brihat Samhita by Varahamihira who was the greatest

> > charlatan according to me since he could make " correct predictions

> > from incorect data " viz. panchangas based on Maya the mlechha's

Surya

> > Sidhanta, the most monstrous astronomical work that could ever

have

> > been produced by anybody! No wonder, " Vedic astrologers " of today

vie

> > with one another for being called " Varahamihira " since they also

can

> > make correct predictions ONLY from incorrect data!Regarding " Patri

> > Melapak " , what is most ironic is that no " jyotisha shastra " right

from

> > Sphujidwaja's yavana Jatakam to the most notorious fake work viz.

> > Brihat Parashari has touched this topic even with a barge pole,

but

> > then today's " Vedic jyotishis " say that it was practised by Vedic

> > seers! My personal view is that if the seers had really indulged

in

> > such a non-sense (actually the most cunning!) fad, almost all of

them

> > would still have been looking for a spouse whose Patri would match

> > with theirs with at least 28 gunas!<It is high time that we gave

up

> > the ancient Greek notion of astrology and get back to proper

> > astronomy.>This " Vedic astrology " has had such a deleterious

affect on

> > the real Vedic culture that the words of the Gita are becoming

most

> > meaningful these days: " adharmam dharmam it ya manyate tamsa

> > vritasarvarthan vipareetanshchai, budhih saa partha tamasi " i.e. " an

> > intellect that views adharma as dharma (and dharma as

adharma)besides

> > viewing all the things upside down, is the real Tamasic

intellect " .I

> > find that almost every Hindu is trying to defend " Vedic astrology "

in

> > spite of the fact that it has been made clear to them by now that

it

> > is because of that very fad that we are celebrating all our

festivals

> > and muhurtas on worng days, but their arguments are really

tamasic---

> > like " I do not know much about astronomy (and by implication it

means

> > that he/she knows everything about astrology though!) " is the

stock

> > reply of most of them. All the Hindus are now a days least

bothered

> > about celebrating Pitra-Amavasya on the day of actual Dipavali

which

> > is on September 28, 2008, but they do not want to hear even a

single

> > word against " Vedic astrology " ! They celebrated marriages in

actual

> > Pitrapaksha because " Vedic astrologes " had okayed those dates!

What is

> > surprising is that in spite of being well read, most of the Hindus

> > have lost all sense of basic Primary school level geography!They

have

> > become oblivious of the fact that Uttarayana cannot take place on

any

> > other day than the shortest day of the year or Dakshinayana except

on

> > the longest day of the year! But they have put wool into their

ears

> > for such phenomena since " Vedic astrologers " want them to

celebrate

> > Uttarayana on January 15 and Dakshinayana on July 15 and so on!In

> > short, most of the Hindu society appears to have become clones of

Maya

> > the mlechha just because of their fatal infatuation with " Vedic

> > astrology " ! And that is the real Tamasic Vriti that I am talking

> > about!However, since, AS IS EVIDENT FROM YOUR POST, Hindus are

> > basically the offspring of real Vamadevas instead of " imported

> > Vamadevas " , sooner than later the genome of Vedic seers will

revolt

> > against this tyranny of " Vedic astrologers " and thereby prevent

the

> > Hindu culture from having an akalamrityu, INSPITE OF " VEDIC

> > ASTROLOGERS " !With regards,Avtar--- In

HinduCalendar ,

> > " Ravilochanan " <ravilochan_tn@> wrote:>> Dear Shri Avtar> >

Pranaam! I

> > concur with your views. NOwhere is it said in our epics or >

Puranas

> > that the Kings or Princes consulted astrologers before > marriage.

> > Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer before taking > part in

the

> > bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of > astrologers

> > before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini. This > practice of

> > matching kundli has reached absurd proportions. Our > dharma

speaks

> > about doing our duty without concern for the fruits. > Doing what

is

> > right is the most important issue. Karma phal will > finally reach

us.

> > One's karmaphal will not suddenly turn into good > all of a sudden

> > just because a kundli got matched. It doesn't make > any sense.

The

> > Gita does not speak about jyotish phal. It only speaks > about

karma

> > phal. My heart bleeds upon seeing some orthodox Hindus > who have

> > nearly mastered the aspect of Karma Yoga but still visit the >

> > astrologer with kundlis during marriage just because their parents

>

> > had (wrongly) taught them so. They believe it to be an integral

part >

> > of Vedic culture. It is high time that we gave up the ancient

Greek >

> > notion of astrology and get back to proper astronomy.> > humbly>

> > Ravilochanan> > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar

Krishen

> > Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote:> >> > Shri Arul Thilak ji,> >

Namaskar!> >

> > > > You have said> > < As to howÂ the lastÂ HinduÂ kingdom

> was lost in

> > the 21st century,> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's

recent

> > essayÂ are > revealing.>> > > > It is immaterial as to who says

> what!

> > In a democracy, everybody is> > " authorized " to say anything about

> > anybody or any event, especially > if> > the person concerned is a

> > journalist! We have, however, to > ascertain> > facts for

ourselves by

> > sifting grain from the chaff and go by them!> > > > You have

quoted me

> > as saying> > <Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a

glaring >

> > > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary infatuation

> >

> > for " Vedic astrology " .> > > and there is enough of correspondence

on

> > this topic in this forum!> > > > To summarize the facts, one has

just

> > to recall the tragic event of > the> > erstwhile crown-prince

shooting

> > dead his parents---the then king and> > queen---and then himself,

only

> > because his parents would not allow > him> > to marry his sweet

heart!

> > And the parents did not allow that > marriage> > as the " Vedic

> > astrologers " there had said that the horoscope of the> > crown-

prince

> > and his sweet heart did not match and it would bode ill> > for the

> > king and the queen if that marriage was allowed!> > And by now it

is a

> > well established fact that " Vedic astrologers " > only> > predict

the

> > events upside down, if the data like the date and time > of> >

birth

> > etc. of the " native " are correct, since they can make correct> >

> > predictions only from incorrect data! Thus instead of advising

the> >

> > then king and queen to solemnize the marriage of the crown prince

>

> > with> > his sweet heart---she was also from a royal family of

India---

> > -as> > otherwise he would go mad, they just advised to the

contrary!

> > And > the> > results are there for everybody to see! It is

worthwhile

> > to put on> > record here that if it had been the earlier monarch,

who

> > was shot > dead> > by his own son, still ruling Nepal, the things

> > would have been> > entirely different and would not have come to

such

> > a stage. > > > > Same was the case with BJP! If they had not

advance

> > the last > General> > Election by several months, the chances were

> > that they would have> > gained a majority by planning their moves

> > properly and would still > be> > ruling today! But they believed

more

> > in " Vedic astrology " than their> > own drum-beating of " India

> > shining " . Even on the day the results of> > the last election were

> > declared, all the channels and newspapers > were> > crying from

> > housetops that as per all the jyotishis, A B Vajpayee> > would be

the

> > PM, irrespective of which party gained majority! > However,> > the

> > BJP's faith in " Vedic astrology " ruined everything for them and> >

> > poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned the king again, has >

> > become> > completely bedridden, a sad fact that no astrologer had

> > foreseen!> > > > You have also said> > < It (Nepal) faithfully

follows

> > a Vikram Samvat calendar based on > the> > most scientific Hindu

> > system of time and space.Â Â >> > > > On this topic also, there

> is a

> > lot of correspondence with> > IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that is

> > available in this forum as > well. > > Again, instead of going by

who

> > is saying what, pl. peruse that> > correspondence and then let me

know

> > as to whether there is any> > " scientific basis " of 58 BC being

called

> > as Vikrami era is! If at > all> > it has any scientific basis, it

is

> > based on the passage of the VE > from> > one Greek constellation

Aries

> > into another Greek constellation i.e.> > Pisces in around 66 BCE!

And

> > nobody knows why and by whom and when > it> > was named " Vikrami

> > Era " .> > > > I have also made it clear literally hundreds of times

> > that my > aversion> > towards " Vedic astrology " is because of the

fact

> > that it is > actually a> > fraud on the Vedas and also a drag on

Hindu

> > society, since it is > this> > very fad that is making us see

adharma

> > of celebrating all our> > festivals and muhurtas on wrong days as

> > dharma! Same is the case > with> > the all out defense by some

people

> > of the farce known as " Vedic> > astrology " ---they are actually

> > defending adharma in the name of > dharma!> > Hope the situation

is

> > clear now.> > Regards,> > AKK> > > > > > > > --- In

> > HinduCalendar , Arul T <arul_thilak@> wrote:> > >>

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > 1.Â Â Sri Avtar-ji says as

> follows:> > > Â

> > > > > QUOTE> > > Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a

glaring

> > > > > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary

infatuation

> > > > > for " Vedic astrology " . So is the example of the BJP which

had >

> > > > an " akalamrityu " by advanding the last election by several

months

> > > on > > > the advice of its " Minister of Astrology " !> > >

UNQUOTE> >

> > > > > > Â > > > Â > > > As to howÂ the lastÂ HinduÂ

> kingdom was lost

> > in the 21st century,> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's

recent

> > essayÂ are > revealing.Â > > How, in particular, Hindu religious

> > discourse was impoverished and> > limited to ritualism: > > > Â >

> >

> > >> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-

> > 3482408,prtpage-> 1.cms > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > THE RIGHT VIEW > > > > > > > > > > > > Learn Chinese to know

> > Kathmandu> > > 14 Sep 2008, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay > > > > > >

Â

> >

> > > > QUOTE> > > ..... Younger Nepal turned the tide in favour of a

> > change with a> > balance. Kingdom's Hindu status was meaningless

as it

> > failed to> > strengthen the democratic roots and provide food,

water

> > and > education> > to the rural poor. Pro-Monarchy people couldn't

> > establish their> > credibility - they thrived on an anti-India

note

> > and kept religious> > affairs bound to the personal loyalty to the

> > King which meant no> > spiritual insurgence could take shape and

the

> > religious discourse> > remained limited to ritualism. No strong

> > nationalist spiritual > fervour> > was allowed as King felt

threatened

> > hence no tears were seen at the> > demise of its Hindu nation

status

> > and the abolition of > monarchy. ....> > > Â > > > When the rulers

> > turn corrupt and abuse peoples' faith and trust,> > public unrest

and

> > angst gets expressed in different ways. Nepal saw > it> > happen

in

> > the form of a Maoism that prided to declare it's all the> >

sources of

> > inspiration and support to the neighbouring Communist> > China.

> > .......> > > Â > > > Prachanda took oath as the first Prime

> Minister

> > of this tiny> > Himalayan federal republic, once the only Hindu

State

> > on this > planet,> > in the name of the 'people of Nepal '. > > >

> >

> > > Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's name. He chose

to>

> > > wear a western dress, three piece suite with a necktie. Earlier>

>

> > everyone had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called Daura

Suruwal.>

> > > He also became the first PM not to visit Pashupati Nath, as has

> > been> > the tradition of all the Nepalese leaders and he chose to

> > visit > China> > first, again a new precedence, although our PM Dr

> > Manmohan Singh was> > the first head of the state to congratulate

> > Prachanda and invite him> > to visit India within half-an-hour of

his

> > election to the post. > > > UNQUOTE> > > Â > > > Â > > > The

> Nepali

> > monarchyÂ also hadÂ a Rajaguru :> > > Â > > > > > >

> > http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stories/2002062703860100.htm>

> >

> > Jun 27, 2002 > > > Â > > > Good news in 3 months: Kanchi Acharya >

> > >

> > By Our Special Correspondent > > > Â > > > > > > > > > NEW DELHI

> JUNE

> > 26. The Kanchi Sankaracharya, Jayendra Saraswati, > who> > met the

> > Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the Vice-> President,> >

> > Krishan Kant, today asserted that he would continue with his> >

> > independent initiative to try and find a solution to the Ayodhya>

>

> > problem that would be agreeable to both the parties involved. He>

>

> > expected " good news'' within two or three months. > > > Â > > >

> > During the day, the King of Nepal, Gyanendra, performed `pada >

puja'>

> > > at the feet of Adi Sankara at the Kamakshi temple, which is also

> > the> > place where the Kanchi seer stays when he is here. The King

was

> > with> > the Queen, Komal Rajyalaxmi, and their daughter, Prerna

> > Rajyalaxmi,> > and the `puja' was performed in the presence of the

> > Sankaracharya > who> > is also the `rajguru' of Nepal. Earlier, he

had

> > clarified that his> > current visit to the capital was connected

with

> > King Gyanendra's> > desire to meet him. > > > Â > > > Â > > >

> 2.Â

> > Tarun Vijay's essay also mentions:> > > Â > > > QUOTE> > > It

> (Nepal)

> > faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on > the> > most

> > scientific Hindu system of time and space.Â Â > > > UNQUOTE> > >

> > > >

> > Â > > > Â > > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul

> <jyotirved@>

> > wrote:> > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>> > >

Subject:

> > [akandabaratam] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest> > fraud

on

> > the Vedas! (reposted)> > > akandabaratam > >

> > Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 12:39 AM> > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization, " Avtar

> > Krishen Kaul " > > > <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Shri

> > Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,> > > Namaskar!> > > I would request you

to

> > kindly go through your own post once again.> > > > > > Can you

pick

> > even a single cogent reason from your own points as > to > > > why

we

> > should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic > astrology, >

> >

> > which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Vedic, > >

>

> > instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct >

days, >

> > > > as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since > > >

> > Uttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc. are >

all

> > > > > phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly,

all

> > the > > > Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for rituals!

E.g.,

> > > > > Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe it

in >

> > > > Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is >

> > hardly > > > worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing after a

few

> > > centuries-> > > -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to

" Vedic

> > astrologers " > and > > > their " Vedic astrology " > > > > > >> >>---

End

> > forwarded message ---

> >

> > _______________

> > Movies, sports & news! Get your daily entertainment fix, only on

> > live.com

> > http://www.live.com/?scope=video & form=MICOAL

> >

> > --- End forwarded message ---

> >

>

October 2, 2008

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

Dear Shri Mark Kincaid,

Namaskar!

You have said

<One of the greatest descriptions I ever heard about so-

called 'Vedic'

astrology was by the great Indian Guru, His Holiness Maharishi

Mahesh

Yogi.

He said that what made Jyotish or Vedic astrology special, vedic or

true was the fact that it came from the consciousness cognitions of

Vedic seers.>

In this regard, I am separately posting (actually re-posting!) a

copy

of my speech delivered a few years back at Rotary Club in West

Delhi.

The heading of that speech itself is/was " Vedic astrology " --the

greatest fraud on the Vedas!

A copy of that speech was sent to the late Mahesh Yogi also, whom

you

have quoted, apart from quite a few other dharmacharyas and

jagadugurs

etc. etc. I have yet to receive any reply from any of the yogis or

dharmacharyas or jagadgurus!

You might also have observed that post on several other forums as

well

including those of " Vedic astrology " .

All the questions raised be me in that post remain unanswered till

date even when posted on such forums as claim to be masters

of " Vedic

astrology "

Would you be kind enough to go through that post now and let me have

your views regarding the objections raised by me as to why it is a

fraud to call any type of predictive gimmicks as " Vedic astrology " ,

especially since it is that very fraud which is compelling the

entire

Hindu, Jain and Budhist communities etc. to celebrate all their

festivals and muhurtas on wrong days!

With regards,

A K Kaul

, " Mark Kincaid "

<markkincaid@> wrote:

>

> One of the greatest descriptions I ever heard about so-called

'Vedic'

> astrology

> was by the great Indian Guru, His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

>

> He said that what made Jyotish or Vedic astrology special, vedic

or

true

> was the fact

> that it came from the consciousness cognitions of Vedic seers.

>

> After studying Jyotish now, myself for over 22 years I can say the

most

> profound aspect

> of Jyotish is that it is true!

>

> I've never met a person who's chart doesn't fit them! Now, after

7,000

> people I can say

> with tremendous certainty that our chart's fit us.

>

> But, there is still a great need to bring astroogy into step with

modern

> day science.

>

> But, that can be done in so many different ways.

>

> Take any of the ennumerable ideas of Jyotish and study people and

see

> that these theories

> are in fact true.

>

> For example, Jyotish says the Moon represents each person's

emotional,

> mental or feeling nature. This means how well the Moon's doing in

our

> charts, determines how emotional mature or stable the person is.

>

> This would be completely easy to validate.

>

> Take 1,000 people and give them a battery of simple psychological

> questions and then,

> compare with the strength of Moon in each person's chart; and

we'll

find

> a very high

> scientific correlation.

>

> Even in my own example, of doing so many thousands of people, even

> though they weren't

> studied scientifically; they all each one of them, had an exact 1

to

1

> correspondence between

> their Moon's and their emotions!

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

> www..com

> /

> markkincaid@

>

> , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> > WAVES-Vedic , Prem Sabhlok psabhlok@ wrote:

> >

> > I do not know why it is called Vedic Astrology. May be I have

missed

> > that mantra/hymn/Rik in Vedas which refers to Astrology (Jyotish

> > Vidya). Mantras relating to Astronomy, Algebra, physical

sciences,

> > Medical sciences etc are there but about Astrology I could not

find

> > any reference in Vedas. In Ramayana and Mahabharta which are

Vedas

> > retold, also there is no reference to Astrology. Can any Vedic

scholar

> > throw some light on this aspect? Some learned people have found

that

> > astrology started in Greece as a hobby but not as a science. To

my

> > understanding Vedas do not have even the concept of

> > auspicious/inauspicious time/period.

> > With kind regards,

> > P.K.Sabhlok

> >

> > waves-vedic@: jyotirved@: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:01:27

> > +0000[WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the

greatest

> > fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)

> >

> > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > <jyotirved@> wrote:Shri Ravilochananji,Namaskar!<I concur with

your

> > views. NOwhere is it said in our epics or Puranas that the Kings

or

> > Princes consulted astrologers before marriage. Neither did Lord

Ram

> > consult an astrologer before taking part in the bow contest nor

did

> > Lord Krishna went in search of astrologers before departing to

carry

> > away Devi Rukmini.>The fad of kings consulting jyotishis was

started

> > through his Brihat Samhita by Varahamihira who was the greatest

> > charlatan according to me since he could make " correct

predictions

> > from incorect data " viz. panchangas based on Maya the mlechha's

Surya

> > Sidhanta, the most monstrous astronomical work that could ever

have

> > been produced by anybody! No wonder, " Vedic astrologers " of

today

vie

> > with one another for being called " Varahamihira " since they also

can

> > make correct predictions ONLY from incorrect data!

Regarding " Patri

> > Melapak " , what is most ironic is that no " jyotisha shastra "

right

from

> > Sphujidwaja's yavana Jatakam to the most notorious fake work viz.

> > Brihat Parashari has touched this topic even with a barge pole,

but

> > then today's " Vedic jyotishis " say that it was practised by Vedic

> > seers! My personal view is that if the seers had really indulged

in

> > such a non-sense (actually the most cunning!) fad, almost all of

them

> > would still have been looking for a spouse whose Patri would

match

> > with theirs with at least 28 gunas!<It is high time that we gave

up

> > the ancient Greek notion of astrology and get back to proper

> > astronomy.>This " Vedic astrology " has had such a deleterious

affect on

> > the real Vedic culture that the words of the Gita are becoming

most

> > meaningful these days: " adharmam dharmam it ya manyate tamsa

> > vritasarvarthan vipareetanshchai, budhih saa partha

tamasi " i.e. " an

> > intellect that views adharma as dharma (and dharma as

adharma)besides

> > viewing all the things upside down, is the real Tamasic

intellect " .I

> > find that almost every Hindu is trying to defend " Vedic

astrology "

in

> > spite of the fact that it has been made clear to them by now

that

it

> > is because of that very fad that we are celebrating all our

festivals

> > and muhurtas on worng days, but their arguments are really

tamasic---

> > like " I do not know much about astronomy (and by implication it

means

> > that he/she knows everything about astrology though!) " is the

stock

> > reply of most of them. All the Hindus are now a days least

bothered

> > about celebrating Pitra-Amavasya on the day of actual Dipavali

which

> > is on September 28, 2008, but they do not want to hear even a

single

> > word against " Vedic astrology " ! They celebrated marriages in

actual

> > Pitrapaksha because " Vedic astrologes " had okayed those dates!

What is

> > surprising is that in spite of being well read, most of the

Hindus

> > have lost all sense of basic Primary school level geography!They

have

> > become oblivious of the fact that Uttarayana cannot take place

on

any

> > other day than the shortest day of the year or Dakshinayana

except

on

> > the longest day of the year! But they have put wool into their

ears

> > for such phenomena since " Vedic astrologers " want them to

celebrate

> > Uttarayana on January 15 and Dakshinayana on July 15 and so on!In

> > short, most of the Hindu society appears to have become clones

of

Maya

> > the mlechha just because of their fatal infatuation with " Vedic

> > astrology " ! And that is the real Tamasic Vriti that I am talking

> > about!However, since, AS IS EVIDENT FROM YOUR POST, Hindus are

> > basically the offspring of real Vamadevas instead of " imported

> > Vamadevas " , sooner than later the genome of Vedic seers will

revolt

> > against this tyranny of " Vedic astrologers " and thereby prevent

the

> > Hindu culture from having an akalamrityu, INSPITE OF " VEDIC

> > ASTROLOGERS " !With regards,Avtar--- In

HinduCalendar ,

> > " Ravilochanan " <ravilochan_tn@> wrote:>> Dear Shri Avtar> >

Pranaam! I

> > concur with your views. NOwhere is it said in our epics or >

Puranas

> > that the Kings or Princes consulted astrologers before >

marriage.

> > Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer before taking > part

in

the

> > bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of > astrologers

> > before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini. This > practice of

> > matching kundli has reached absurd proportions. Our > dharma

speaks

> > about doing our duty without concern for the fruits. > Doing

what

is

> > right is the most important issue. Karma phal will > finally

reach

us.

> > One's karmaphal will not suddenly turn into good > all of a

sudden

> > just because a kundli got matched. It doesn't make > any sense.

The

> > Gita does not speak about jyotish phal. It only speaks > about

karma

> > phal. My heart bleeds upon seeing some orthodox Hindus > who have

> > nearly mastered the aspect of Karma Yoga but still visit the >

> > astrologer with kundlis during marriage just because their

parents

>

> > had (wrongly) taught them so. They believe it to be an integral

part >

> > of Vedic culture. It is high time that we gave up the ancient

Greek >

> > notion of astrology and get back to proper astronomy.> > humbly>

> > Ravilochanan> > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar

Krishen

> > Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote:> >> > Shri Arul Thilak ji,> >

Namaskar!> >

> > > > You have said> > < As to howÂ the lastÂ HinduÂ kingdom

> was lost in

> > the 21st century,> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's

recent

> > essayÂ are > revealing.>> > > > It is immaterial as to who says

> what!

> > In a democracy, everybody is> > " authorized " to say anything

about

> > anybody or any event, especially > if> > the person concerned is

a

> > journalist! We have, however, to > ascertain> > facts for

ourselves by

> > sifting grain from the chaff and go by them!> > > > You have

quoted me

> > as saying> > <Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a

glaring >

> > > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary

infatuation

> >

> > for " Vedic astrology " .> > > and there is enough of

correspondence

on

> > this topic in this forum!> > > > To summarize the facts, one has

just

> > to recall the tragic event of > the> > erstwhile crown-prince

shooting

> > dead his parents---the then king and> > queen---and then

himself,

only

> > because his parents would not allow > him> > to marry his sweet

heart!

> > And the parents did not allow that > marriage> > as the " Vedic

> > astrologers " there had said that the horoscope of the> > crown-

prince

> > and his sweet heart did not match and it would bode ill> > for

the

> > king and the queen if that marriage was allowed!> > And by now

it

is a

> > well established fact that " Vedic astrologers " > only> > predict

the

> > events upside down, if the data like the date and time > of> >

birth

> > etc. of the " native " are correct, since they can make correct> >

> > predictions only from incorrect data! Thus instead of advising

the> >

> > then king and queen to solemnize the marriage of the crown

prince

>

> > with> > his sweet heart---she was also from a royal family of

India---

> > -as> > otherwise he would go mad, they just advised to the

contrary!

> > And > the> > results are there for everybody to see! It is

worthwhile

> > to put on> > record here that if it had been the earlier

monarch,

who

> > was shot > dead> > by his own son, still ruling Nepal, the things

> > would have been> > entirely different and would not have come to

such

> > a stage. > > > > Same was the case with BJP! If they had not

advance

> > the last > General> > Election by several months, the chances

were

> > that they would have> > gained a majority by planning their moves

> > properly and would still > be> > ruling today! But they believed

more

> > in " Vedic astrology " than their> > own drum-beating of " India

> > shining " . Even on the day the results of> > the last election

were

> > declared, all the channels and newspapers > were> > crying from

> > housetops that as per all the jyotishis, A B Vajpayee> > would

be

the

> > PM, irrespective of which party gained majority! > However,> >

the

> > BJP's faith in " Vedic astrology " ruined everything for them and>

>

> > poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned the king again, has >

> > become> > completely bedridden, a sad fact that no astrologer had

> > foreseen!> > > > You have also said> > < It (Nepal) faithfully

follows

> > a Vikram Samvat calendar based on > the> > most scientific Hindu

> > system of time and space.Â Â >> > > > On this topic also, there

> is a

> > lot of correspondence with> > IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that is

> > available in this forum as > well. > > Again, instead of going

by

who

> > is saying what, pl. peruse that> > correspondence and then let

me

know

> > as to whether there is any> > " scientific basis " of 58 BC being

called

> > as Vikrami era is! If at > all> > it has any scientific basis,

it

is

> > based on the passage of the VE > from> > one Greek constellation

Aries

> > into another Greek constellation i.e.> > Pisces in around 66

BCE!

And

> > nobody knows why and by whom and when > it> > was named " Vikrami

> > Era " .> > > > I have also made it clear literally hundreds of

times

> > that my > aversion> > towards " Vedic astrology " is because of

the

fact

> > that it is > actually a> > fraud on the Vedas and also a drag on

Hindu

> > society, since it is > this> > very fad that is making us see

adharma

> > of celebrating all our> > festivals and muhurtas on wrong days as

> > dharma! Same is the case > with> > the all out defense by some

people

> > of the farce known as " Vedic> > astrology " ---they are actually

> > defending adharma in the name of > dharma!> > Hope the situation

is

> > clear now.> > Regards,> > AKK> > > > > > > > --- In

> > HinduCalendar , Arul T <arul_thilak@> wrote:> >

>>

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > 1.Â Â Sri Avtar-ji says as

> follows:> > > Â

> > > > > QUOTE> > > Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a

glaring

> > > > > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary

infatuation

> > > > > for " Vedic astrology " . So is the example of the BJP which

had >

> > > > an " akalamrityu " by advanding the last election by several

months

> > > on > > > the advice of its " Minister of Astrology " !> > >

UNQUOTE> >

> > > > > > Â > > > Â > > > As to howÂ the lastÂ HinduÂ

> kingdom was lost

> > in the 21st century,> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's

recent

> > essayÂ are > revealing.Â > > How, in particular, Hindu religious

> > discourse was impoverished and> > limited to ritualism: > > > Â

>

> >

> > >> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-

> > 3482408,prtpage-> 1.cms > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> >

> > THE RIGHT VIEW > > > > > > > > > > > > Learn Chinese to know

> > Kathmandu> > > 14 Sep 2008, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay > > > > >

>

Â

> >

> > > > QUOTE> > > ..... Younger Nepal turned the tide in favour of a

> > change with a> > balance. Kingdom's Hindu status was meaningless

as it

> > failed to> > strengthen the democratic roots and provide food,

water

> > and > education> > to the rural poor. Pro-Monarchy people

couldn't

> > establish their> > credibility - they thrived on an anti-India

note

> > and kept religious> > affairs bound to the personal loyalty to

the

> > King which meant no> > spiritual insurgence could take shape and

the

> > religious discourse> > remained limited to ritualism. No strong

> > nationalist spiritual > fervour> > was allowed as King felt

threatened

> > hence no tears were seen at the> > demise of its Hindu nation

status

> > and the abolition of > monarchy. ....> > > Â > > > When the

rulers

> > turn corrupt and abuse peoples' faith and trust,> > public

unrest

and

> > angst gets expressed in different ways. Nepal saw > it> > happen

in

> > the form of a Maoism that prided to declare it's all the> >

sources of

> > inspiration and support to the neighbouring Communist> > China.

> > .......> > > Â > > > Prachanda took oath as the first Prime

> Minister

> > of this tiny> > Himalayan federal republic, once the only Hindu

State

> > on this > planet,> > in the name of the 'people of Nepal '. > >

>

> >

> > > Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's name. He

chose

to>

> > > wear a western dress, three piece suite with a necktie.

Earlier>

>

> > everyone had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called Daura

Suruwal.>

> > > He also became the first PM not to visit Pashupati Nath, as has

> > been> > the tradition of all the Nepalese leaders and he chose to

> > visit > China> > first, again a new precedence, although our PM

Dr

> > Manmohan Singh was> > the first head of the state to congratulate

> > Prachanda and invite him> > to visit India within half-an-hour

of

his

> > election to the post. > > > UNQUOTE> > > Â > > > Â > > > The

> Nepali

> > monarchyÂ also hadÂ a Rajaguru :> > > Â > > > > > >

> >

http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stories/2002062703860100.htm>

> >

> > Jun 27, 2002 > > > Â > > > Good news in 3 months: Kanchi Acharya

>

> > >

> > By Our Special Correspondent > > > Â > > > > > > > > > NEW DELHI

> JUNE

> > 26. The Kanchi Sankaracharya, Jayendra Saraswati, > who> > met

the

> > Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the Vice-> President,>

>

> > Krishan Kant, today asserted that he would continue with his> >

> > independent initiative to try and find a solution to the

Ayodhya>

>

> > problem that would be agreeable to both the parties involved.

He>

>

> > expected " good news'' within two or three months. > > > Â > > >

> > During the day, the King of Nepal, Gyanendra, performed `pada >

puja'>

> > > at the feet of Adi Sankara at the Kamakshi temple, which is

also

> > the> > place where the Kanchi seer stays when he is here. The

King

was

> > with> > the Queen, Komal Rajyalaxmi, and their daughter, Prerna

> > Rajyalaxmi,> > and the `puja' was performed in the presence of

the

> > Sankaracharya > who> > is also the `rajguru' of Nepal. Earlier,

he

had

> > clarified that his> > current visit to the capital was connected

with

> > King Gyanendra's> > desire to meet him. > > > Â > > > Â > > >

> 2.Â

> > Tarun Vijay's essay also mentions:> > > Â > > > QUOTE> > > It

> (Nepal)

> > faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on > the> >

most

> > scientific Hindu system of time and space.Â Â > > > UNQUOTE> > >

> > > >

> > Â > > > Â > > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul

> <jyotirved@>

> > wrote:> > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>> > >

Subject:

> > [akandabaratam] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest> >

fraud

on

> > the Vedas! (reposted)> > > akandabaratam > >

> > Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 12:39 AM> > > > > > > > > >

>

> >

> > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization@ .

com, " Avtar

> > Krishen Kaul " > > > <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Shri

> > Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,> > > Namaskar!> > > I would request you

to

> > kindly go through your own post once again.> > > > > > Can you

pick

> > even a single cogent reason from your own points as > to > > >

why

we

> > should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic > astrology,

>

> >

> > which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Vedic, >

>

> > instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct >

days, >

> > > > as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since > > >

> > Uttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc. are

>

all

> > > > > phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly,

all

> > the > > > Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for rituals!

E.g.,

> > > > > Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe

it

in >

> > > > Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is >

> > hardly > > > worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing after

a

few

> > > centuries-> > > -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to

" Vedic

> > astrologers " > and > > > their " Vedic astrology " > > > > > >> >>--

-

End

> > forwarded message ---

> >

> > _______________

> > Movies, sports & news! Get your daily entertainment fix, only on

> > live.com

> > http://www.live.com/?scope=video & form=MICOAL

> >

> > --- End forwarded message ---

> >

>

--- End forwarded message ---

October 3, 2008

Dear Moderator,

why is the A K kaul's posts allowed for yrs he is harping on a stale, ,

stinking totten materil from someone who could never understand Vedic astrology,

its ptential its maginficence and relevance to the people who need advice and

not such spoilt brats

please delete is messages and which ever ID he comes in moderate and filter

them out

we r not against critism it is some psuedo/masked propoganda that is rubbish

that clutters groups space.

regards

prashant

jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001 wrote:

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

Dear Shri Mark Kincaid,

Namaskar!

You have said

<One of the greatest descriptions I ever heard about so-

called 'Vedic'

astrology was by the great Indian Guru, His Holiness Maharishi

Mahesh

Yogi.

He said that what made Jyotish or Vedic astrology special, vedic or

true was the fact that it came from the consciousness cognitions of

Vedic seers.>

In this regard, I am separately posting (actually re-posting!) a

copy

of my speech delivered a few years back at Rotary Club in West

Delhi.

The heading of that speech itself is/was " Vedic astrology " --the

greatest fraud on the Vedas!

A copy of that speech was sent to the late Mahesh Yogi also, whom

you

have quoted, apart from quite a few other dharmacharyas and

jagadugurs

etc. etc. I have yet to receive any reply from any of the yogis or

dharmacharyas or jagadgurus!

You might also have observed that post on several other forums as

well

including those of " Vedic astrology " .

All the questions raised be me in that post remain unanswered till

date even when posted on such forums as claim to be masters

of " Vedic

astrology "

Would you be kind enough to go through that post now and let me have

your views regarding the objections raised by me as to why it is a

fraud to call any type of predictive gimmicks as " Vedic astrology " ,

especially since it is that very fraud which is compelling the

entire

Hindu, Jain and Budhist communities etc. to celebrate all their

festivals and muhurtas on wrong days!

With regards,

A K Kaul

, " Mark Kincaid "

<markkincaid@> wrote:

>

> One of the greatest descriptions I ever heard about so-called

'Vedic'

> astrology

> was by the great Indian Guru, His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

>

> He said that what made Jyotish or Vedic astrology special, vedic

or

true

> was the fact

> that it came from the consciousness cognitions of Vedic seers.

>

> After studying Jyotish now, myself for over 22 years I can say the

most

> profound aspect

> of Jyotish is that it is true!

>

> I've never met a person who's chart doesn't fit them! Now, after

7,000

> people I can say

> with tremendous certainty that our chart's fit us.

>

> But, there is still a great need to bring astroogy into step with

modern

> day science.

>

> But, that can be done in so many different ways.

>

> Take any of the ennumerable ideas of Jyotish and study people and

see

> that these theories

> are in fact true.

>

> For example, Jyotish says the Moon represents each person's

emotional,

> mental or feeling nature. This means how well the Moon's doing in

our

> charts, determines how emotional mature or stable the person is.

>

> This would be completely easy to validate.

>

> Take 1,000 people and give them a battery of simple psychological

> questions and then,

> compare with the strength of Moon in each person's chart; and

we'll

find

> a very high

> scientific correlation.

>

> Even in my own example, of doing so many thousands of people, even

> though they weren't

> studied scientifically; they all each one of them, had an exact 1

to

1

> correspondence between

> their Moon's and their emotions!

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Mark Kincaid

>

> www..com

> /

> markkincaid@

>

> , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> > WAVES-Vedic , Prem Sabhlok psabhlok@ wrote:

> >

> > I do not know why it is called Vedic Astrology. May be I have

missed

> > that mantra/hymn/Rik in Vedas which refers to Astrology (Jyotish

> > Vidya). Mantras relating to Astronomy, Algebra, physical

sciences,

> > Medical sciences etc are there but about Astrology I could not

find

> > any reference in Vedas. In Ramayana and Mahabharta which are

Vedas

> > retold, also there is no reference to Astrology. Can any Vedic

scholar

> > throw some light on this aspect? Some learned people have found

that

> > astrology started in Greece as a hobby but not as a science. To

my

> > understanding Vedas do not have even the concept of

> > auspicious/inauspicious time/period.

> > With kind regards,

> > P.K.Sabhlok

> >

> > waves-vedic@: jyotirved@: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:01:27

> > +0000[WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the

greatest

> > fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)

> >

> > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > <jyotirved@> wrote:Shri Ravilochananji,Namaskar!<I concur with

your

> > views. NOwhere is it said in our epics or Puranas that the Kings

or

> > Princes consulted astrologers before marriage. Neither did Lord

Ram

> > consult an astrologer before taking part in the bow contest nor

did

> > Lord Krishna went in search of astrologers before departing to

carry

> > away Devi Rukmini.>The fad of kings consulting jyotishis was

started

> > through his Brihat Samhita by Varahamihira who was the greatest

> > charlatan according to me since he could make " correct

predictions

> > from incorect data " viz. panchangas based on Maya the mlechha's

Surya

> > Sidhanta, the most monstrous astronomical work that could ever

have

> > been produced by anybody! No wonder, " Vedic astrologers " of

today

vie

> > with one another for being called " Varahamihira " since they also

can

> > make correct predictions ONLY from incorrect data!

Regarding " Patri

> > Melapak " , what is most ironic is that no " jyotisha shastra "

right

from

> > Sphujidwaja's yavana Jatakam to the most notorious fake work viz.

> > Brihat Parashari has touched this topic even with a barge pole,

but

> > then today's " Vedic jyotishis " say that it was practised by Vedic

> > seers! My personal view is that if the seers had really indulged

in

> > such a non-sense (actually the most cunning!) fad, almost all of

them

> > would still have been looking for a spouse whose Patri would

match

> > with theirs with at least 28 gunas!<It is high time that we gave

up

> > the ancient Greek notion of astrology and get back to proper

> > astronomy.>This " Vedic astrology " has had such a deleterious

affect on

> > the real Vedic culture that the words of the Gita are becoming

most

> > meaningful these days: " adharmam dharmam it ya manyate tamsa

> > vritasarvarthan vipareetanshchai, budhih saa partha

tamasi " i.e. " an

> > intellect that views adharma as dharma (and dharma as

adharma)besides

> > viewing all the things upside down, is the real Tamasic

intellect " .I

> > find that almost every Hindu is trying to defend " Vedic

astrology "

in

> > spite of the fact that it has been made clear to them by now

that

it

> > is because of that very fad that we are celebrating all our

festivals

> > and muhurtas on worng days, but their arguments are really

tamasic---

> > like " I do not know much about astronomy (and by implication it

means

> > that he/she knows everything about astrology though!) " is the

stock

> > reply of most of them. All the Hindus are now a days least

bothered

> > about celebrating Pitra-Amavasya on the day of actual Dipavali

which

> > is on September 28, 2008, but they do not want to hear even a

single

> > word against " Vedic astrology " ! They celebrated marriages in

actual

> > Pitrapaksha because " Vedic astrologes " had okayed those dates!

What is

> > surprising is that in spite of being well read, most of the

Hindus

> > have lost all sense of basic Primary school level geography!They

have

> > become oblivious of the fact that Uttarayana cannot take place

on

any

> > other day than the shortest day of the year or Dakshinayana

except

on

> > the longest day of the year! But they have put wool into their

ears

> > for such phenomena since " Vedic astrologers " want them to

celebrate

> > Uttarayana on January 15 and Dakshinayana on July 15 and so on!In

> > short, most of the Hindu society appears to have become clones

of

Maya

> > the mlechha just because of their fatal infatuation with " Vedic

> > astrology " ! And that is the real Tamasic Vriti that I am talking

> > about!However, since, AS IS EVIDENT FROM YOUR POST, Hindus are

> > basically the offspring of real Vamadevas instead of " imported

> > Vamadevas " , sooner than later the genome of Vedic seers will

revolt

> > against this tyranny of " Vedic astrologers " and thereby prevent

the

> > Hindu culture from having an akalamrityu, INSPITE OF " VEDIC

> > ASTROLOGERS " !With regards,Avtar--- In

HinduCalendar ,

> > " Ravilochanan " <ravilochan_tn@> wrote:>> Dear Shri Avtar> >

Pranaam! I

> > concur with your views. NOwhere is it said in our epics or >

Puranas

> > that the Kings or Princes consulted astrologers before >

marriage.

> > Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer before taking > part

in

the

> > bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of > astrologers

> > before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini. This > practice of

> > matching kundli has reached absurd proportions. Our > dharma

speaks

> > about doing our duty without concern for the fruits. > Doing

what

is

> > right is the most important issue. Karma phal will > finally

reach

us.

> > One's karmaphal will not suddenly turn into good > all of a

sudden

> > just because a kundli got matched. It doesn't make > any sense.

The

> > Gita does not speak about jyotish phal. It only speaks > about

karma

> > phal. My heart bleeds upon seeing some orthodox Hindus > who have

> > nearly mastered the aspect of Karma Yoga but still visit the >

> > astrologer with kundlis during marriage just because their

parents

>

> > had (wrongly) taught them so. They believe it to be an integral

part >

> > of Vedic culture. It is high time that we gave up the ancient

Greek >

> > notion of astrology and get back to proper astronomy.> > humbly>

> > Ravilochanan> > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar

Krishen

> > Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote:> >> > Shri Arul Thilak ji,> >

Namaskar!> >

> > > > You have said> > < As to howÂ the lastÂ HinduÂ kingdom

> was lost in

> > the 21st century,> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's

recent

> > essayÂ are > revealing.>> > > > It is immaterial as to who says

> what!

> > In a democracy, everybody is> > " authorized " to say anything

about

> > anybody or any event, especially > if> > the person concerned is

a

> > journalist! We have, however, to > ascertain> > facts for

ourselves by

> > sifting grain from the chaff and go by them!> > > > You have

quoted me

> > as saying> > <Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a

glaring >

> > > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary

infatuation

> >

> > for " Vedic astrology " .> > > and there is enough of

correspondence

on

> > this topic in this forum!> > > > To summarize the facts, one has

just

> > to recall the tragic event of > the> > erstwhile crown-prince

shooting

> > dead his parents---the then king and> > queen---and then

himself,

only

> > because his parents would not allow > him> > to marry his sweet

heart!

> > And the parents did not allow that > marriage> > as the " Vedic

> > astrologers " there had said that the horoscope of the> > crown-

prince

> > and his sweet heart did not match and it would bode ill> > for

the

> > king and the queen if that marriage was allowed!> > And by now

it

is a

> > well established fact that " Vedic astrologers " > only> > predict

the

> > events upside down, if the data like the date and time > of> >

birth

> > etc. of the " native " are correct, since they can make correct> >

> > predictions only from incorrect data! Thus instead of advising

the> >

> > then king and queen to solemnize the marriage of the crown

prince

>

> > with> > his sweet heart---she was also from a royal family of

India---

> > -as> > otherwise he would go mad, they just advised to the

contrary!

> > And > the> > results are there for everybody to see! It is

worthwhile

> > to put on> > record here that if it had been the earlier

monarch,

who

> > was shot > dead> > by his own son, still ruling Nepal, the things

> > would have been> > entirely different and would not have come to

such

> > a stage. > > > > Same was the case with BJP! If they had not

advance

> > the last > General> > Election by several months, the chances

were

> > that they would have> > gained a majority by planning their moves

> > properly and would still > be> > ruling today! But they believed

more

> > in " Vedic astrology " than their> > own drum-beating of " India

> > shining " . Even on the day the results of> > the last election

were

> > declared, all the channels and newspapers > were> > crying from

> > housetops that as per all the jyotishis, A B Vajpayee> > would

be

the

> > PM, irrespective of which party gained majority! > However,> >

the

> > BJP's faith in " Vedic astrology " ruined everything for them and>

>

> > poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned the king again, has >

> > become> > completely bedridden, a sad fact that no astrologer had

> > foreseen!> > > > You have also said> > < It (Nepal) faithfully

follows

> > a Vikram Samvat calendar based on > the> > most scientific Hindu

> > system of time and space.Â Â >> > > > On this topic also, there

> is a

> > lot of correspondence with> > IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that is

> > available in this forum as > well. > > Again, instead of going

by

who

> > is saying what, pl. peruse that> > correspondence and then let

me

know

> > as to whether there is any> > " scientific basis " of 58 BC being

called

> > as Vikrami era is! If at > all> > it has any scientific basis,

it

is

> > based on the passage of the VE > from> > one Greek constellation

Aries

> > into another Greek constellation i.e.> > Pisces in around 66

BCE!

And

> > nobody knows why and by whom and when > it> > was named " Vikrami

> > Era " .> > > > I have also made it clear literally hundreds of

times

> > that my > aversion> > towards " Vedic astrology " is because of

the

fact

> > that it is > actually a> > fraud on the Vedas and also a drag on

Hindu

> > society, since it is > this> > very fad that is making us see

adharma

> > of celebrating all our> > festivals and muhurtas on wrong days as

> > dharma! Same is the case > with> > the all out defense by some

people

> > of the farce known as " Vedic> > astrology " ---they are actually

> > defending adharma in the name of > dharma!> > Hope the situation

is

> > clear now.> > Regards,> > AKK> > > > > > > > --- In

> > HinduCalendar , Arul T <arul_thilak@> wrote:> >

>>

> >

> > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > 1.Â Â Sri Avtar-ji says as

> follows:> > > Â

> > > > > QUOTE> > > Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a

glaring

> > > > > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary

infatuation

> > > > > for " Vedic astrology " . So is the example of the BJP which

had >

> > > > an " akalamrityu " by advanding the last election by several

months

> > > on > > > the advice of its " Minister of Astrology " !> > >

UNQUOTE> >

> > > > > > Â > > > Â > > > As to howÂ the lastÂ HinduÂ

> kingdom was lost

> > in the 21st century,> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's

recent

> > essayÂ are > revealing.Â > > How, in particular, Hindu religious

> > discourse was impoverished and> > limited to ritualism: > > > Â

>

> >

> > >> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-

> > 3482408,prtpage-> 1.cms > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> >

> > THE RIGHT VIEW > > > > > > > > > > > > Learn Chinese to know

> > Kathmandu> > > 14 Sep 2008, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay > > > > >

>

Â

> >

> > > > QUOTE> > > ..... Younger Nepal turned the tide in favour of a

> > change with a> > balance. Kingdom's Hindu status was meaningless

as it

> > failed to> > strengthen the democratic roots and provide food,

water

> > and > education> > to the rural poor. Pro-Monarchy people

couldn't

> > establish their> > credibility - they thrived on an anti-India

note

> > and kept religious> > affairs bound to the personal loyalty to

the

> > King which meant no> > spiritual insurgence could take shape and

the

> > religious discourse> > remained limited to ritualism. No strong

> > nationalist spiritual > fervour> > was allowed as King felt

threatened

> > hence no tears were seen at the> > demise of its Hindu nation

status

> > and the abolition of > monarchy. ....> > > Â > > > When the

rulers

> > turn corrupt and abuse peoples' faith and trust,> > public

unrest

and

> > angst gets expressed in different ways. Nepal saw > it> > happen

in

> > the form of a Maoism that prided to declare it's all the> >

sources of

> > inspiration and support to the neighbouring Communist> > China.

> > .......> > > Â > > > Prachanda took oath as the first Prime

> Minister

> > of this tiny> > Himalayan federal republic, once the only Hindu

State

> > on this > planet,> > in the name of the 'people of Nepal '. > >

>

> >

> > > Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's name. He

chose

to>

> > > wear a western dress, three piece suite with a necktie.

Earlier>

>

> > everyone had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called Daura

Suruwal.>

> > > He also became the first PM not to visit Pashupati Nath, as has

> > been> > the tradition of all the Nepalese leaders and he chose to

> > visit > China> > first, again a new precedence, although our PM

Dr

> > Manmohan Singh was> > the first head of the state to congratulate

> > Prachanda and invite him> > to visit India within half-an-hour

of

his

> > election to the post. > > > UNQUOTE> > > Â > > > Â > > > The

> Nepali

> > monarchyÂ also hadÂ a Rajaguru :> > > Â > > > > > >

> >

http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stories/2002062703860100.htm>

> >

> > Jun 27, 2002 > > > Â > > > Good news in 3 months: Kanchi Acharya

>

> > >

> > By Our Special Correspondent > > > Â > > > > > > > > > NEW DELHI

> JUNE

> > 26. The Kanchi Sankaracharya, Jayendra Saraswati, > who> > met

the

> > Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the Vice-> President,>

>

> > Krishan Kant, today asserted that he would continue with his> >

> > independent initiative to try and find a solution to the

Ayodhya>

>

> > problem that would be agreeable to both the parties involved.

He>

>

> > expected " good news'' within two or three months. > > > Â > > >

> > During the day, the King of Nepal, Gyanendra, performed `pada >

puja'>

> > > at the feet of Adi Sankara at the Kamakshi temple, which is

also

> > the> > place where the Kanchi seer stays when he is here. The

King

was

> > with> > the Queen, Komal Rajyalaxmi, and their daughter, Prerna

> > Rajyalaxmi,> > and the `puja' was performed in the presence of

the

> > Sankaracharya > who> > is also the `rajguru' of Nepal. Earlier,

he

had

> > clarified that his> > current visit to the capital was connected

with

> > King Gyanendra's> > desire to meet him. > > > Â > > > Â > > >

> 2.Â

> > Tarun Vijay's essay also mentions:> > > Â > > > QUOTE> > > It

> (Nepal)

> > faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on > the> >

most

> > scientific Hindu system of time and space.Â Â > > > UNQUOTE> > >

> > > >

> > Â > > > Â > > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul

> <jyotirved@>

> > wrote:> > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>> > >

Subject:

> > [akandabaratam] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest> >

fraud

on

> > the Vedas! (reposted)> > > akandabaratam > >

> > Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 12:39 AM> > > > > > > > > >

>

> >

> > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization@ .

com, " Avtar

> > Krishen Kaul " > > > <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Shri

> > Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,> > > Namaskar!> > > I would request you

to

> > kindly go through your own post once again.> > > > > > Can you

pick

> > even a single cogent reason from your own points as > to > > >

why

we

> > should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic > astrology,

>

> >

> > which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Vedic, >

>

> > instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct >

days, >

> > > > as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since > > >

> > Uttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc. are

>

all

> > > > > phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly,

all

> > the > > > Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for rituals!

E.g.,

> > > > > Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe

it

in >

> > > > Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is >

> > hardly > > > worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing after

a

few

> > > centuries-> > > -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to

" Vedic

> > astrologers " > and > > > their " Vedic astrology " > > > > > >> >>--

-

End

> > forwarded message ---

> >

> > ________

> > Movies, sports & news! Get your daily entertainment fix, only on

> > live.com

> > http://www.live.com/?scope=video & form=MICOAL

> >

> > --- End forwarded message ---

> >

>

--- End forwarded message ---

G B Prashant Kumar

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October 3, 2008

Dear Moderator,

I too agree with Prashant and will request you that these kind of

posts should not be allowed to be posted here. I think the job of

moderator comes in place at times when such posts are being posted.

I think there is no need of discussion about the existence or non-

existence of Vedic astrology.

Regards,

Rajat Kapoor

vedic astrology , Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba

Vela <pkgoteti wrote:

>

> Dear Moderator,

>

> why is the A K kaul's posts allowed for yrs he is harping on a

stale, , stinking totten materil from someone who could never

understand Vedic astrology, its ptential its maginficence and

relevance to the people who need advice and not such spoilt brats

>

> please delete is messages and which ever ID he comes in moderate

and filter them out

>

> we r not against critism it is some psuedo/masked propoganda

that is rubbish that clutters groups space.

>

> regards

>

> prashant

>

> jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001 wrote:

> , " Avtar

Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Mark Kincaid,

> Namaskar!

>

> You have said

> <One of the greatest descriptions I ever heard about so-

> called 'Vedic'

> astrology was by the great Indian Guru, His Holiness Maharishi

> Mahesh

> Yogi.

> He said that what made Jyotish or Vedic astrology special, vedic

or

> true was the fact that it came from the consciousness cognitions

of

> Vedic seers.>

>

> In this regard, I am separately posting (actually re-posting!) a

> copy

> of my speech delivered a few years back at Rotary Club in West

> Delhi.

> The heading of that speech itself is/was " Vedic astrology " --the

> greatest fraud on the Vedas!

> A copy of that speech was sent to the late Mahesh Yogi also, whom

> you

> have quoted, apart from quite a few other dharmacharyas and

> jagadugurs

> etc. etc. I have yet to receive any reply from any of the yogis or

> dharmacharyas or jagadgurus!

>

> You might also have observed that post on several other forums as

> well

> including those of " Vedic astrology " .

>

> All the questions raised be me in that post remain unanswered till

> date even when posted on such forums as claim to be masters

> of " Vedic

> astrology "

>

> Would you be kind enough to go through that post now and let me

have

> your views regarding the objections raised by me as to why it is a

> fraud to call any type of predictive gimmicks as " Vedic

astrology " ,

> especially since it is that very fraud which is compelling the

> entire

> Hindu, Jain and Budhist communities etc. to celebrate all their

> festivals and muhurtas on wrong days!

>

> With regards,

> A K Kaul

>

> , " Mark Kincaid "

> <markkincaid@> wrote:

> >

> > One of the greatest descriptions I ever heard about so-called

> 'Vedic'

> > astrology

> > was by the great Indian Guru, His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

> >

> > He said that what made Jyotish or Vedic astrology special, vedic

> or

> true

> > was the fact

> > that it came from the consciousness cognitions of Vedic seers.

> >

> > After studying Jyotish now, myself for over 22 years I can say

the

> most

> > profound aspect

> > of Jyotish is that it is true!

> >

> > I've never met a person who's chart doesn't fit them! Now, after

> 7,000

> > people I can say

> > with tremendous certainty that our chart's fit us.

> >

> > But, there is still a great need to bring astroogy into step

with

> modern

> > day science.

> >

> > But, that can be done in so many different ways.

> >

> > Take any of the ennumerable ideas of Jyotish and study people

and

> see

> > that these theories

> > are in fact true.

> >

> > For example, Jyotish says the Moon represents each person's

> emotional,

> > mental or feeling nature. This means how well the Moon's doing

in

> our

> > charts, determines how emotional mature or stable the person is.

> >

> > This would be completely easy to validate.

> >

> > Take 1,000 people and give them a battery of simple psychological

> > questions and then,

> > compare with the strength of Moon in each person's chart; and

> we'll

> find

> > a very high

> > scientific correlation.

> >

> > Even in my own example, of doing so many thousands of people,

even

> > though they weren't

> > studied scientifically; they all each one of them, had an exact

1

> to

> 1

> > correspondence between

> > their Moon's and their emotions!

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> > www..com

> > /

> > markkincaid@

> >

> > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > <jyotirved@> wrote:

> > >

> > > WAVES-Vedic , Prem Sabhlok psabhlok@

wrote:

> > >

> > > I do not know why it is called Vedic Astrology. May be I have

> missed

> > > that mantra/hymn/Rik in Vedas which refers to Astrology

(Jyotish

> > > Vidya). Mantras relating to Astronomy, Algebra, physical

> sciences,

> > > Medical sciences etc are there but about Astrology I could not

> find

> > > any reference in Vedas. In Ramayana and Mahabharta which are

> Vedas

> > > retold, also there is no reference to Astrology. Can any Vedic

> scholar

> > > throw some light on this aspect? Some learned people have

found

> that

> > > astrology started in Greece as a hobby but not as a science.

To

> my

> > > understanding Vedas do not have even the concept of

> > > auspicious/inauspicious time/period.

> > > With kind regards,

> > > P.K.Sabhlok

> > >

> > > waves-vedic@: jyotirved@: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:01:27

> > > +0000[WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the

> greatest

> > > fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)

> > >

> > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > > <jyotirved@> wrote:Shri Ravilochananji,Namaskar!<I concur with

> your

> > > views. NOwhere is it said in our epics or Puranas that the

Kings

> or

> > > Princes consulted astrologers before marriage. Neither did

Lord

> Ram

> > > consult an astrologer before taking part in the bow contest

nor

> did

> > > Lord Krishna went in search of astrologers before departing to

> carry

> > > away Devi Rukmini.>The fad of kings consulting jyotishis was

> started

> > > through his Brihat Samhita by Varahamihira who was the greatest

> > > charlatan according to me since he could make " correct

> predictions

> > > from incorect data " viz. panchangas based on Maya the

mlechha's

> Surya

> > > Sidhanta, the most monstrous astronomical work that could ever

> have

> > > been produced by anybody! No wonder, " Vedic astrologers " of

> today

> vie

> > > with one another for being called " Varahamihira " since they

also

> can

> > > make correct predictions ONLY from incorrect data!

> Regarding " Patri

> > > Melapak " , what is most ironic is that no " jyotisha shastra "

> right

> from

> > > Sphujidwaja's yavana Jatakam to the most notorious fake work

viz.

> > > Brihat Parashari has touched this topic even with a barge

pole,

> but

> > > then today's " Vedic jyotishis " say that it was practised by

Vedic

> > > seers! My personal view is that if the seers had really

indulged

> in

> > > such a non-sense (actually the most cunning!) fad, almost all

of

> them

> > > would still have been looking for a spouse whose Patri would

> match

> > > with theirs with at least 28 gunas!<It is high time that we

gave

> up

> > > the ancient Greek notion of astrology and get back to proper

> > > astronomy.>This " Vedic astrology " has had such a deleterious

> affect on

> > > the real Vedic culture that the words of the Gita are becoming

> most

> > > meaningful these days: " adharmam dharmam it ya manyate tamsa

> > > vritasarvarthan vipareetanshchai, budhih saa partha

> tamasi " i.e. " an

> > > intellect that views adharma as dharma (and dharma as

> adharma)besides

> > > viewing all the things upside down, is the real Tamasic

> intellect " .I

> > > find that almost every Hindu is trying to defend " Vedic

> astrology "

> in

> > > spite of the fact that it has been made clear to them by now

> that

> it

> > > is because of that very fad that we are celebrating all our

> festivals

> > > and muhurtas on worng days, but their arguments are really

> tamasic---

> > > like " I do not know much about astronomy (and by implication

it

> means

> > > that he/she knows everything about astrology though!) " is the

> stock

> > > reply of most of them. All the Hindus are now a days least

> bothered

> > > about celebrating Pitra-Amavasya on the day of actual Dipavali

> which

> > > is on September 28, 2008, but they do not want to hear even a

> single

> > > word against " Vedic astrology " ! They celebrated marriages in

> actual

> > > Pitrapaksha because " Vedic astrologes " had okayed those dates!

> What is

> > > surprising is that in spite of being well read, most of the

> Hindus

> > > have lost all sense of basic Primary school level geography!

They

> have

> > > become oblivious of the fact that Uttarayana cannot take place

> on

> any

> > > other day than the shortest day of the year or Dakshinayana

> except

> on

> > > the longest day of the year! But they have put wool into their

> ears

> > > for such phenomena since " Vedic astrologers " want them to

> celebrate

> > > Uttarayana on January 15 and Dakshinayana on July 15 and so on!

In

> > > short, most of the Hindu society appears to have become clones

> of

> Maya

> > > the mlechha just because of their fatal infatuation with " Vedic

> > > astrology " ! And that is the real Tamasic Vriti that I am

talking

> > > about!However, since, AS IS EVIDENT FROM YOUR POST, Hindus are

> > > basically the offspring of real Vamadevas instead of " imported

> > > Vamadevas " , sooner than later the genome of Vedic seers will

> revolt

> > > against this tyranny of " Vedic astrologers " and thereby

prevent

> the

> > > Hindu culture from having an akalamrityu, INSPITE OF " VEDIC

> > > ASTROLOGERS " !With regards,Avtar--- In

> HinduCalendar ,

> > > " Ravilochanan " <ravilochan_tn@> wrote:>> Dear Shri Avtar> >

> Pranaam! I

> > > concur with your views. NOwhere is it said in our epics or >

> Puranas

> > > that the Kings or Princes consulted astrologers before >

> marriage.

> > > Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer before taking >

part

> in

> the

> > > bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of >

astrologers

> > > before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini. This > practice of

> > > matching kundli has reached absurd proportions. Our > dharma

> speaks

> > > about doing our duty without concern for the fruits. > Doing

> what

> is

> > > right is the most important issue. Karma phal will > finally

> reach

> us.

> > > One's karmaphal will not suddenly turn into good > all of a

> sudden

> > > just because a kundli got matched. It doesn't make > any

sense.

> The

> > > Gita does not speak about jyotish phal. It only speaks > about

> karma

> > > phal. My heart bleeds upon seeing some orthodox Hindus > who

have

> > > nearly mastered the aspect of Karma Yoga but still visit the >

> > > astrologer with kundlis during marriage just because their

> parents

> >

> > > had (wrongly) taught them so. They believe it to be an

integral

> part >

> > > of Vedic culture. It is high time that we gave up the ancient

> Greek >

> > > notion of astrology and get back to proper astronomy.> >

humbly>

> > > Ravilochanan> > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar

> Krishen

> > > Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote:> >> > Shri Arul Thilak ji,> >

> Namaskar!> >

> > > > > You have said> > < As to howÂ the lastÂ HinduÂ kingdom

> > was lost in

> > > the 21st century,> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's

> recent

> > > essayÂ are > revealing.>> > > > It is immaterial as to who says

> > what!

> > > In a democracy, everybody is> > " authorized " to say anything

> about

> > > anybody or any event, especially > if> > the person concerned

is

> a

> > > journalist! We have, however, to > ascertain> > facts for

> ourselves by

> > > sifting grain from the chaff and go by them!> > > > You have

> quoted me

> > > as saying> > <Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a

> glaring >

> > > > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary

> infatuation

> > >

> > > for " Vedic astrology " .> > > and there is enough of

> correspondence

> on

> > > this topic in this forum!> > > > To summarize the facts, one

has

> just

> > > to recall the tragic event of > the> > erstwhile crown-prince

> shooting

> > > dead his parents---the then king and> > queen---and then

> himself,

> only

> > > because his parents would not allow > him> > to marry his

sweet

> heart!

> > > And the parents did not allow that > marriage> > as the " Vedic

> > > astrologers " there had said that the horoscope of the> > crown-

> prince

> > > and his sweet heart did not match and it would bode ill> > for

> the

> > > king and the queen if that marriage was allowed!> > And by now

> it

> is a

> > > well established fact that " Vedic astrologers " > only> >

predict

> the

> > > events upside down, if the data like the date and time > of> >

> birth

> > > etc. of the " native " are correct, since they can make correct>

>

> > > predictions only from incorrect data! Thus instead of advising

> the> >

> > > then king and queen to solemnize the marriage of the crown

> prince

> >

> > > with> > his sweet heart---she was also from a royal family of

> India---

> > > -as> > otherwise he would go mad, they just advised to the

> contrary!

> > > And > the> > results are there for everybody to see! It is

> worthwhile

> > > to put on> > record here that if it had been the earlier

> monarch,

> who

> > > was shot > dead> > by his own son, still ruling Nepal, the

things

> > > would have been> > entirely different and would not have come

to

> such

> > > a stage. > > > > Same was the case with BJP! If they had not

> advance

> > > the last > General> > Election by several months, the chances

> were

> > > that they would have> > gained a majority by planning their

moves

> > > properly and would still > be> > ruling today! But they

believed

> more

> > > in " Vedic astrology " than their> > own drum-beating of " India

> > > shining " . Even on the day the results of> > the last election

> were

> > > declared, all the channels and newspapers > were> > crying from

> > > housetops that as per all the jyotishis, A B Vajpayee> > would

> be

> the

> > > PM, irrespective of which party gained majority! > However,> >

> the

> > > BJP's faith in " Vedic astrology " ruined everything for them

and>

> >

> > > poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned the king again,

has >

> > > become> > completely bedridden, a sad fact that no astrologer

had

> > > foreseen!> > > > You have also said> > < It (Nepal) faithfully

> follows

> > > a Vikram Samvat calendar based on > the> > most scientific

Hindu

> > > system of time and space.Â Â >> > > > On this topic also, there

> > is a

> > > lot of correspondence with> > IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that

is

> > > available in this forum as > well. > > Again, instead of going

> by

> who

> > > is saying what, pl. peruse that> > correspondence and then let

> me

> know

> > > as to whether there is any> > " scientific basis " of 58 BC

being

> called

> > > as Vikrami era is! If at > all> > it has any scientific basis,

> it

> is

> > > based on the passage of the VE > from> > one Greek

constellation

> Aries

> > > into another Greek constellation i.e.> > Pisces in around 66

> BCE!

> And

> > > nobody knows why and by whom and when > it> > was

named " Vikrami

> > > Era " .> > > > I have also made it clear literally hundreds of

> times

> > > that my > aversion> > towards " Vedic astrology " is because of

> the

> fact

> > > that it is > actually a> > fraud on the Vedas and also a drag

on

> Hindu

> > > society, since it is > this> > very fad that is making us see

> adharma

> > > of celebrating all our> > festivals and muhurtas on wrong days

as

> > > dharma! Same is the case > with> > the all out defense by some

> people

> > > of the farce known as " Vedic> > astrology " ---they are actually

> > > defending adharma in the name of > dharma!> > Hope the

situation

> is

> > > clear now.> > Regards,> > AKK> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > HinduCalendar , Arul T <arul_thilak@> wrote:> >

> >>

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > 1.Â Â Sri Avtar-ji says as

> > follows:> > > Â

> > > > > > QUOTE> > > Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a

> glaring

> > > > > > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary

> infatuation

> > > > > > for " Vedic astrology " . So is the example of the BJP

which

> had >

> > > > > an " akalamrityu " by advanding the last election by several

> months

> > > > on > > > the advice of its " Minister of Astrology " !> > >

> UNQUOTE> >

> > > > > > > Â > > > Â > > > As to howÂ the lastÂ HinduÂ

> > kingdom was lost

> > > in the 21st century,> > the following excerpts of Tarun

Vijay's

> recent

> > > essayÂ are > revealing.Â > > How, in particular, Hindu

religious

> > > discourse was impoverished and> > limited to ritualism: > > >

Â

> >

> > >

> > > >> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-

> > > 3482408,prtpage-> 1.cms > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

>

> >

> > >

> > > THE RIGHT VIEW > > > > > > > > > > > > Learn Chinese to know

> > > Kathmandu> > > 14 Sep 2008, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay > > > >

>

> >

> Â

> > >

> > > > > QUOTE> > > ..... Younger Nepal turned the tide in favour

of a

> > > change with a> > balance. Kingdom's Hindu status was

meaningless

> as it

> > > failed to> > strengthen the democratic roots and provide food,

> water

> > > and > education> > to the rural poor. Pro-Monarchy people

> couldn't

> > > establish their> > credibility - they thrived on an anti-India

> note

> > > and kept religious> > affairs bound to the personal loyalty to

> the

> > > King which meant no> > spiritual insurgence could take shape

and

> the

> > > religious discourse> > remained limited to ritualism. No strong

> > > nationalist spiritual > fervour> > was allowed as King felt

> threatened

> > > hence no tears were seen at the> > demise of its Hindu nation

> status

> > > and the abolition of > monarchy. ....> > > Â > > > When the

> rulers

> > > turn corrupt and abuse peoples' faith and trust,> > public

> unrest

> and

> > > angst gets expressed in different ways. Nepal saw > it> >

happen

> in

> > > the form of a Maoism that prided to declare it's all the> >

> sources of

> > > inspiration and support to the neighbouring Communist> > China.

> > > .......> > > Â > > > Prachanda took oath as the first Prime

> > Minister

> > > of this tiny> > Himalayan federal republic, once the only

Hindu

> State

> > > on this > planet,> > in the name of the 'people of Nepal '. >

>

> >

> > >

> > > > Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's name. He

> chose

> to>

> > > > wear a western dress, three piece suite with a necktie.

> Earlier>

> >

> > > everyone had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called Daura

> Suruwal.>

> > > > He also became the first PM not to visit Pashupati Nath, as

has

> > > been> > the tradition of all the Nepalese leaders and he chose

to

> > > visit > China> > first, again a new precedence, although our

PM

> Dr

> > > Manmohan Singh was> > the first head of the state to

congratulate

> > > Prachanda and invite him> > to visit India within half-an-hour

> of

> his

> > > election to the post. > > > UNQUOTE> > > Â > > > Â > > > The

> > Nepali

> > > monarchyÂ also hadÂ a Rajaguru :> > > Â > > > > > >

> > >

> http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stories/2002062703860100.htm>

> > >

> > > Jun 27, 2002 > > > Â > > > Good news in 3 months: Kanchi

Acharya

> >

> > > >

> > > By Our Special Correspondent > > > Â > > > > > > > > > NEW

DELHI

> > JUNE

> > > 26. The Kanchi Sankaracharya, Jayendra Saraswati, > who> > met

> the

> > > Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the Vice->

President,>

> >

> > > Krishan Kant, today asserted that he would continue with his> >

> > > independent initiative to try and find a solution to the

> Ayodhya>

> >

> > > problem that would be agreeable to both the parties involved.

> He>

> >

> > > expected " good news'' within two or three months. > > > Â > > >

> > > During the day, the King of Nepal, Gyanendra, performed `pada

>

> puja'>

> > > > at the feet of Adi Sankara at the Kamakshi temple, which is

> also

> > > the> > place where the Kanchi seer stays when he is here. The

> King

> was

> > > with> > the Queen, Komal Rajyalaxmi, and their daughter, Prerna

> > > Rajyalaxmi,> > and the `puja' was performed in the presence of

> the

> > > Sankaracharya > who> > is also the `rajguru' of Nepal.

Earlier,

> he

> had

> > > clarified that his> > current visit to the capital was

connected

> with

> > > King Gyanendra's> > desire to meet him. > > > Â > > > Â > > >

> > 2.Â

> > > Tarun Vijay's essay also mentions:> > > Â > > > QUOTE> > > It

> > (Nepal)

> > > faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on > the> >

> most

> > > scientific Hindu system of time and space.Â Â > > > UNQUOTE> >

>

> > > > >

> > > Â > > > Â > > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul

> > <jyotirved@>

> > > wrote:> > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>> > >

> Subject:

> > > [akandabaratam] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest> >

> fraud

> on

> > > the Vedas! (reposted)> > > akandabaratam >

>

> > > Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 12:39 AM> > > > > > > > >

>

> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization@ .

> com, " Avtar

> > > Krishen Kaul " > > > <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Shri

> > > Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,> > > Namaskar!> > > I would request

you

> to

> > > kindly go through your own post once again.> > > > > > Can you

> pick

> > > even a single cogent reason from your own points as > to > > >

> why

> we

> > > should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic >

astrology,

> >

> > >

> > > which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Vedic,

>

> >

> > > instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct >

> days, >

> > > > > as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since > > >

> > > Uttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc.

are

> >

> all

> > > > > > phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific!

Similarly,

> all

> > > the > > > Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for

rituals!

> E.g.,

> > > > > > Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe

> it

> in >

> > > > > Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it

is >

> > > hardly > > > worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing

after

> a

> few

> > > > centuries-> > > -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to

> " Vedic

> > > astrologers " > and > > > their " Vedic astrology " > > > > > >>

>>--

> -

> End

> > > forwarded message ---

> > >

> > > ________

> > > Movies, sports & news! Get your daily entertainment fix, only

on

> > > live.com

> > > http://www.live.com/?scope=video & form=MICOAL

> > >

> > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > >

> >

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

G B Prashant Kumar

>

> Pl give personal data with verifable life event dates=jobs,

marriage, family, kids, high/low times. Picture or 2 for Lagna

features check to my ID pkgoteti, Services of this astrologer in

the group only are FREE! personal consultations ARE CHARGEABLE!

Mobile 09840051861 Chennai, India Me Shuba Vela!

>

October 4, 2008

Dear Shri Prashatn Kumar,

You have said

" why is the A K kaul's posts allowed for yrs he is harping on a

stale, , stinking totten materil from someone who could never

understand Vedic astrology, its ptential its maginficence and

relevance to the people who need advice and not such spoilt brats "

A lot is being discussed about Vedic astrology pretext because it has

helped a lots of people.

I was under a similar impression myself. However, when non-believers

and agnostics and rationalists started asking as to which prediction

by which Vedic astrologer had saved which part of which country from

a Tsunami or disaster or a political coup etc. etc., I surveyed all

the old magazines and panchangas and forums to find out for

myself as to whether the agnostics and rationalists charges were

correct or not.

To my dismay, all I found was a curse of bables by Vedic astrologers

who appear to have no knowledge of the Vedas or even the Puranas!

Nobody had pedicted any such event at all! Nobody had warned about

Bihar floods or terror strikes etc. etc. All that had been said was

blah, blah, blah!

I found an echo of my views in Mr. A. K. Kaul's views. When I did

not see any of his posts on this forum, I asked him the reason for

the same. Mr. Kaul informed me that he had been banned from Vedic-

Astrology forum and several other forums for expressing his views!

It means that instead of discussing anything that does not suit the

interests of this forum, the person concerned has to be summarily

banned, as is being adovcated by you now!

That means all that Vedic astrologers are intersted in is stifling

the truth!

If that is what Hindu culture has advised, pl. go ahead! To me it

makes no difference if I also am banned like Mr. Kaul since I know

that he is on the right track and his message will reach the general

public, in spite of your banning him from this forum.

It appears you also do not know that you are celebrating all your

festivals and muhurtas on wrong days because of Vedic astrology!

Thus that very " branch of science " that is uprooting your own

culture, you want to continue to follow it and propagate it in the

name of dharma and saving the Hindu culture!

Is that the real Hindu and that also the real Vedic dharma?

With regards,

Jyotishis2001

PS I am no rationalist myself nor an agnostic. But facts have be

separaed from fiction.

vedic astrology , Prashant kumar-Mee Shuba Vela

<pkgoteti wrote:

>

> Dear Moderator,

>

> why is the A K kaul's posts allowed for yrs he is harping on a

stale, , stinking totten materil from someone who could never

understand Vedic astrology, its ptential its maginficence and

relevance to the people who need advice and not such spoilt brats

>

> please delete is messages and which ever ID he comes in moderate

and filter them out

>

> we r not against critism it is some psuedo/masked propoganda that

is rubbish that clutters groups space.

>

> regards

>

> prashant

>

> jyotishi2001 <jyotishi2001 wrote:

> , " Avtar Krishen

Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> Dear Shri Mark Kincaid,

> Namaskar!

>

> You have said

> <One of the greatest descriptions I ever heard about so-

> called 'Vedic'

> astrology was by the great Indian Guru, His Holiness Maharishi

> Mahesh

> Yogi.

> He said that what made Jyotish or Vedic astrology special, vedic or

> true was the fact that it came from the consciousness cognitions of

> Vedic seers.>

>

> In this regard, I am separately posting (actually re-posting!) a

> copy

> of my speech delivered a few years back at Rotary Club in West

> Delhi.

> The heading of that speech itself is/was " Vedic astrology " --the

> greatest fraud on the Vedas!

> A copy of that speech was sent to the late Mahesh Yogi also, whom

> you

> have quoted, apart from quite a few other dharmacharyas and

> jagadugurs

> etc. etc. I have yet to receive any reply from any of the yogis or

> dharmacharyas or jagadgurus!

>

> You might also have observed that post on several other forums as

> well

> including those of " Vedic astrology " .

>

> All the questions raised be me in that post remain unanswered till

> date even when posted on such forums as claim to be masters

> of " Vedic

> astrology "

>

> Would you be kind enough to go through that post now and let me

have

> your views regarding the objections raised by me as to why it is a

> fraud to call any type of predictive gimmicks as " Vedic astrology " ,

> especially since it is that very fraud which is compelling the

> entire

> Hindu, Jain and Budhist communities etc. to celebrate all their

> festivals and muhurtas on wrong days!

>

> With regards,

> A K Kaul

>

> , " Mark Kincaid "

> <markkincaid@> wrote:

> >

> > One of the greatest descriptions I ever heard about so-called

> 'Vedic'

> > astrology

> > was by the great Indian Guru, His Holiness Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

> >

> > He said that what made Jyotish or Vedic astrology special, vedic

> or

> true

> > was the fact

> > that it came from the consciousness cognitions of Vedic seers.

> >

> > After studying Jyotish now, myself for over 22 years I can say

the

> most

> > profound aspect

> > of Jyotish is that it is true!

> >

> > I've never met a person who's chart doesn't fit them! Now, after

> 7,000

> > people I can say

> > with tremendous certainty that our chart's fit us.

> >

> > But, there is still a great need to bring astroogy into step with

> modern

> > day science.

> >

> > But, that can be done in so many different ways.

> >

> > Take any of the ennumerable ideas of Jyotish and study people and

> see

> > that these theories

> > are in fact true.

> >

> > For example, Jyotish says the Moon represents each person's

> emotional,

> > mental or feeling nature. This means how well the Moon's doing in

> our

> > charts, determines how emotional mature or stable the person is.

> >

> > This would be completely easy to validate.

> >

> > Take 1,000 people and give them a battery of simple psychological

> > questions and then,

> > compare with the strength of Moon in each person's chart; and

> we'll

> find

> > a very high

> > scientific correlation.

> >

> > Even in my own example, of doing so many thousands of people, even

> > though they weren't

> > studied scientifically; they all each one of them, had an exact 1

> to

> 1

> > correspondence between

> > their Moon's and their emotions!

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > Mark Kincaid

> >

> > www..com

> > /

> > markkincaid@

> >

> > , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > <jyotirved@> wrote:

> > >

> > > WAVES-Vedic , Prem Sabhlok psabhlok@

wrote:

> > >

> > > I do not know why it is called Vedic Astrology. May be I have

> missed

> > > that mantra/hymn/Rik in Vedas which refers to Astrology (Jyotish

> > > Vidya). Mantras relating to Astronomy, Algebra, physical

> sciences,

> > > Medical sciences etc are there but about Astrology I could not

> find

> > > any reference in Vedas. In Ramayana and Mahabharta which are

> Vedas

> > > retold, also there is no reference to Astrology. Can any Vedic

> scholar

> > > throw some light on this aspect? Some learned people have found

> that

> > > astrology started in Greece as a hobby but not as a science. To

> my

> > > understanding Vedas do not have even the concept of

> > > auspicious/inauspicious time/period.

> > > With kind regards,

> > > P.K.Sabhlok

> > >

> > > waves-vedic@: jyotirved@: Sat, 27 Sep 2008 08:01:27

> > > +0000[WAVES-Vedic] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the

> greatest

> > > fraud on the Vedas! (reposted)

> > >

> > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > > <jyotirved@> wrote:Shri Ravilochananji,Namaskar!<I concur with

> your

> > > views. NOwhere is it said in our epics or Puranas that the

Kings

> or

> > > Princes consulted astrologers before marriage. Neither did Lord

> Ram

> > > consult an astrologer before taking part in the bow contest nor

> did

> > > Lord Krishna went in search of astrologers before departing to

> carry

> > > away Devi Rukmini.>The fad of kings consulting jyotishis was

> started

> > > through his Brihat Samhita by Varahamihira who was the greatest

> > > charlatan according to me since he could make " correct

> predictions

> > > from incorect data " viz. panchangas based on Maya the mlechha's

> Surya

> > > Sidhanta, the most monstrous astronomical work that could ever

> have

> > > been produced by anybody! No wonder, " Vedic astrologers " of

> today

> vie

> > > with one another for being called " Varahamihira " since they

also

> can

> > > make correct predictions ONLY from incorrect data!

> Regarding " Patri

> > > Melapak " , what is most ironic is that no " jyotisha shastra "

> right

> from

> > > Sphujidwaja's yavana Jatakam to the most notorious fake work

viz.

> > > Brihat Parashari has touched this topic even with a barge pole,

> but

> > > then today's " Vedic jyotishis " say that it was practised by

Vedic

> > > seers! My personal view is that if the seers had really

indulged

> in

> > > such a non-sense (actually the most cunning!) fad, almost all

of

> them

> > > would still have been looking for a spouse whose Patri would

> match

> > > with theirs with at least 28 gunas!<It is high time that we

gave

> up

> > > the ancient Greek notion of astrology and get back to proper

> > > astronomy.>This " Vedic astrology " has had such a deleterious

> affect on

> > > the real Vedic culture that the words of the Gita are becoming

> most

> > > meaningful these days: " adharmam dharmam it ya manyate tamsa

> > > vritasarvarthan vipareetanshchai, budhih saa partha

> tamasi " i.e. " an

> > > intellect that views adharma as dharma (and dharma as

> adharma)besides

> > > viewing all the things upside down, is the real Tamasic

> intellect " .I

> > > find that almost every Hindu is trying to defend " Vedic

> astrology "

> in

> > > spite of the fact that it has been made clear to them by now

> that

> it

> > > is because of that very fad that we are celebrating all our

> festivals

> > > and muhurtas on worng days, but their arguments are really

> tamasic---

> > > like " I do not know much about astronomy (and by implication it

> means

> > > that he/she knows everything about astrology though!) " is the

> stock

> > > reply of most of them. All the Hindus are now a days least

> bothered

> > > about celebrating Pitra-Amavasya on the day of actual Dipavali

> which

> > > is on September 28, 2008, but they do not want to hear even a

> single

> > > word against " Vedic astrology " ! They celebrated marriages in

> actual

> > > Pitrapaksha because " Vedic astrologes " had okayed those dates!

> What is

> > > surprising is that in spite of being well read, most of the

> Hindus

> > > have lost all sense of basic Primary school level geography!

They

> have

> > > become oblivious of the fact that Uttarayana cannot take place

> on

> any

> > > other day than the shortest day of the year or Dakshinayana

> except

> on

> > > the longest day of the year! But they have put wool into their

> ears

> > > for such phenomena since " Vedic astrologers " want them to

> celebrate

> > > Uttarayana on January 15 and Dakshinayana on July 15 and so on!

In

> > > short, most of the Hindu society appears to have become clones

> of

> Maya

> > > the mlechha just because of their fatal infatuation with " Vedic

> > > astrology " ! And that is the real Tamasic Vriti that I am talking

> > > about!However, since, AS IS EVIDENT FROM YOUR POST, Hindus are

> > > basically the offspring of real Vamadevas instead of " imported

> > > Vamadevas " , sooner than later the genome of Vedic seers will

> revolt

> > > against this tyranny of " Vedic astrologers " and thereby prevent

> the

> > > Hindu culture from having an akalamrityu, INSPITE OF " VEDIC

> > > ASTROLOGERS " !With regards,Avtar--- In

> HinduCalendar ,

> > > " Ravilochanan " <ravilochan_tn@> wrote:>> Dear Shri Avtar> >

> Pranaam! I

> > > concur with your views. NOwhere is it said in our epics or >

> Puranas

> > > that the Kings or Princes consulted astrologers before >

> marriage.

> > > Neither did Lord Ram consult an astrologer before taking > part

> in

> the

> > > bow contest nor did Lord Krishna went in search of > astrologers

> > > before departing to carry away Devi Rukmini. This > practice of

> > > matching kundli has reached absurd proportions. Our > dharma

> speaks

> > > about doing our duty without concern for the fruits. > Doing

> what

> is

> > > right is the most important issue. Karma phal will > finally

> reach

> us.

> > > One's karmaphal will not suddenly turn into good > all of a

> sudden

> > > just because a kundli got matched. It doesn't make > any sense.

> The

> > > Gita does not speak about jyotish phal. It only speaks > about

> karma

> > > phal. My heart bleeds upon seeing some orthodox Hindus > who

have

> > > nearly mastered the aspect of Karma Yoga but still visit the >

> > > astrologer with kundlis during marriage just because their

> parents

> >

> > > had (wrongly) taught them so. They believe it to be an integral

> part >

> > > of Vedic culture. It is high time that we gave up the ancient

> Greek >

> > > notion of astrology and get back to proper astronomy.> > humbly>

> > > Ravilochanan> > > HinduCalendar , " Avtar

> Krishen

> > > Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote:> >> > Shri Arul Thilak ji,> >

> Namaskar!> >

> > > > > You have said> > < As to howÂ the lastÂ HinduÂ kingdom

> > was lost in

> > > the 21st century,> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's

> recent

> > > essayÂ are > revealing.>> > > > It is immaterial as to who says

> > what!

> > > In a democracy, everybody is> > " authorized " to say anything

> about

> > > anybody or any event, especially > if> > the person concerned

is

> a

> > > journalist! We have, however, to > ascertain> > facts for

> ourselves by

> > > sifting grain from the chaff and go by them!> > > > You have

> quoted me

> > > as saying> > <Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a

> glaring >

> > > > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary

> infatuation

> > >

> > > for " Vedic astrology " .> > > and there is enough of

> correspondence

> on

> > > this topic in this forum!> > > > To summarize the facts, one

has

> just

> > > to recall the tragic event of > the> > erstwhile crown-prince

> shooting

> > > dead his parents---the then king and> > queen---and then

> himself,

> only

> > > because his parents would not allow > him> > to marry his sweet

> heart!

> > > And the parents did not allow that > marriage> > as the " Vedic

> > > astrologers " there had said that the horoscope of the> > crown-

> prince

> > > and his sweet heart did not match and it would bode ill> > for

> the

> > > king and the queen if that marriage was allowed!> > And by now

> it

> is a

> > > well established fact that " Vedic astrologers " > only> >

predict

> the

> > > events upside down, if the data like the date and time > of> >

> birth

> > > etc. of the " native " are correct, since they can make correct> >

> > > predictions only from incorrect data! Thus instead of advising

> the> >

> > > then king and queen to solemnize the marriage of the crown

> prince

> >

> > > with> > his sweet heart---she was also from a royal family of

> India---

> > > -as> > otherwise he would go mad, they just advised to the

> contrary!

> > > And > the> > results are there for everybody to see! It is

> worthwhile

> > > to put on> > record here that if it had been the earlier

> monarch,

> who

> > > was shot > dead> > by his own son, still ruling Nepal, the

things

> > > would have been> > entirely different and would not have come

to

> such

> > > a stage. > > > > Same was the case with BJP! If they had not

> advance

> > > the last > General> > Election by several months, the chances

> were

> > > that they would have> > gained a majority by planning their

moves

> > > properly and would still > be> > ruling today! But they

believed

> more

> > > in " Vedic astrology " than their> > own drum-beating of " India

> > > shining " . Even on the day the results of> > the last election

> were

> > > declared, all the channels and newspapers > were> > crying from

> > > housetops that as per all the jyotishis, A B Vajpayee> > would

> be

> the

> > > PM, irrespective of which party gained majority! > However,> >

> the

> > > BJP's faith in " Vedic astrology " ruined everything for them

and>

> >

> > > poor A B Vajpayee, instead of being crowned the king again, has

>

> > > become> > completely bedridden, a sad fact that no astrologer

had

> > > foreseen!> > > > You have also said> > < It (Nepal) faithfully

> follows

> > > a Vikram Samvat calendar based on > the> > most scientific Hindu

> > > system of time and space.Â Â >> > > > On this topic also, there

> > is a

> > > lot of correspondence with> > IndiaArchaeology forum etc. that

is

> > > available in this forum as > well. > > Again, instead of going

> by

> who

> > > is saying what, pl. peruse that> > correspondence and then let

> me

> know

> > > as to whether there is any> > " scientific basis " of 58 BC being

> called

> > > as Vikrami era is! If at > all> > it has any scientific basis,

> it

> is

> > > based on the passage of the VE > from> > one Greek

constellation

> Aries

> > > into another Greek constellation i.e.> > Pisces in around 66

> BCE!

> And

> > > nobody knows why and by whom and when > it> > was named " Vikrami

> > > Era " .> > > > I have also made it clear literally hundreds of

> times

> > > that my > aversion> > towards " Vedic astrology " is because of

> the

> fact

> > > that it is > actually a> > fraud on the Vedas and also a drag

on

> Hindu

> > > society, since it is > this> > very fad that is making us see

> adharma

> > > of celebrating all our> > festivals and muhurtas on wrong days

as

> > > dharma! Same is the case > with> > the all out defense by some

> people

> > > of the farce known as " Vedic> > astrology " ---they are actually

> > > defending adharma in the name of > dharma!> > Hope the

situation

> is

> > > clear now.> > Regards,> > AKK> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > HinduCalendar , Arul T <arul_thilak@> wrote:> >

> >>

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > 1.Â Â Sri Avtar-ji says as

> > follows:> > > Â

> > > > > > QUOTE> > > Our erstwhile Hindu neighbouring country is a

> glaring

> > > > > > example of its " suicide " because of an extraordinary

> infatuation

> > > > > > for " Vedic astrology " . So is the example of the BJP which

> had >

> > > > > an " akalamrityu " by advanding the last election by several

> months

> > > > on > > > the advice of its " Minister of Astrology " !> > >

> UNQUOTE> >

> > > > > > > Â > > > Â > > > As to howÂ the lastÂ HinduÂ

> > kingdom was lost

> > > in the 21st century,> > the following excerpts of Tarun Vijay's

> recent

> > > essayÂ are > revealing.Â > > How, in particular, Hindu religious

> > > discourse was impoverished and> > limited to ritualism: > > > Â

> >

> > >

> > > >> > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-

> > > 3482408,prtpage-> 1.cms > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> > > THE RIGHT VIEW > > > > > > > > > > > > Learn Chinese to know

> > > Kathmandu> > > 14 Sep 2008, 1640 hrs IST, Tarun Vijay > > > > >

> >

> Â

> > >

> > > > > QUOTE> > > ..... Younger Nepal turned the tide in favour of

a

> > > change with a> > balance. Kingdom's Hindu status was

meaningless

> as it

> > > failed to> > strengthen the democratic roots and provide food,

> water

> > > and > education> > to the rural poor. Pro-Monarchy people

> couldn't

> > > establish their> > credibility - they thrived on an anti-India

> note

> > > and kept religious> > affairs bound to the personal loyalty to

> the

> > > King which meant no> > spiritual insurgence could take shape

and

> the

> > > religious discourse> > remained limited to ritualism. No strong

> > > nationalist spiritual > fervour> > was allowed as King felt

> threatened

> > > hence no tears were seen at the> > demise of its Hindu nation

> status

> > > and the abolition of > monarchy. ....> > > Â > > > When the

> rulers

> > > turn corrupt and abuse peoples' faith and trust,> > public

> unrest

> and

> > > angst gets expressed in different ways. Nepal saw > it> >

happen

> in

> > > the form of a Maoism that prided to declare it's all the> >

> sources of

> > > inspiration and support to the neighbouring Communist> > China.

> > > .......> > > Â > > > Prachanda took oath as the first Prime

> > Minister

> > > of this tiny> > Himalayan federal republic, once the only Hindu

> State

> > > on this > planet,> > in the name of the 'people of Nepal '. > >

> >

> > >

> > > > Earlier all the PMs had sworn in, invoking God's name. He

> chose

> to>

> > > > wear a western dress, three piece suite with a necktie.

> Earlier>

> >

> > > everyone had worn a Nepalese traditional dress called Daura

> Suruwal.>

> > > > He also became the first PM not to visit Pashupati Nath, as

has

> > > been> > the tradition of all the Nepalese leaders and he chose

to

> > > visit > China> > first, again a new precedence, although our PM

> Dr

> > > Manmohan Singh was> > the first head of the state to

congratulate

> > > Prachanda and invite him> > to visit India within half-an-hour

> of

> his

> > > election to the post. > > > UNQUOTE> > > Â > > > Â > > > The

> > Nepali

> > > monarchyÂ also hadÂ a Rajaguru :> > > Â > > > > > >

> > >

> http://www.hinduonnet.com/2002/06/27/stories/2002062703860100.htm>

> > >

> > > Jun 27, 2002 > > > Â > > > Good news in 3 months: Kanchi

Acharya

> >

> > > >

> > > By Our Special Correspondent > > > Â > > > > > > > > > NEW DELHI

> > JUNE

> > > 26. The Kanchi Sankaracharya, Jayendra Saraswati, > who> > met

> the

> > > Prime Minister, Atal Behari Vajpayee, and the Vice->

President,>

> >

> > > Krishan Kant, today asserted that he would continue with his> >

> > > independent initiative to try and find a solution to the

> Ayodhya>

> >

> > > problem that would be agreeable to both the parties involved.

> He>

> >

> > > expected " good news'' within two or three months. > > > Â > > >

> > > During the day, the King of Nepal, Gyanendra, performed `pada >

> puja'>

> > > > at the feet of Adi Sankara at the Kamakshi temple, which is

> also

> > > the> > place where the Kanchi seer stays when he is here. The

> King

> was

> > > with> > the Queen, Komal Rajyalaxmi, and their daughter, Prerna

> > > Rajyalaxmi,> > and the `puja' was performed in the presence of

> the

> > > Sankaracharya > who> > is also the `rajguru' of Nepal. Earlier,

> he

> had

> > > clarified that his> > current visit to the capital was

connected

> with

> > > King Gyanendra's> > desire to meet him. > > > Â > > > Â > > >

> > 2.Â

> > > Tarun Vijay's essay also mentions:> > > Â > > > QUOTE> > > It

> > (Nepal)

> > > faithfully follows a Vikram Samvat calendar based on > the> >

> most

> > > scientific Hindu system of time and space.Â Â > > > UNQUOTE> > >

> > > > >

> > > Â > > > Â > > > --- On Thu, 25/9/08, Avtar Krishen Kaul

> > <jyotirved@>

> > > wrote:> > > > > > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@>> > >

> Subject:

> > > [akandabaratam] Fwd: Re: " Vedic astrology " - the greatest> >

> fraud

> on

> > > the Vedas! (reposted)> > > akandabaratam > >

> > > Thursday, 25 September, 2008, 12:39 AM> > > > > > > > > >

> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > hinducivilization@ .

> com, " Avtar

> > > Krishen Kaul " > > > <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Shri

> > > Bhadraiah Mallampalliji,> > > Namaskar!> > > I would request

you

> to

> > > kindly go through your own post once again.> > > > > > Can you

> pick

> > > even a single cogent reason from your own points as > to > > >

> why

> we

> > > should continue to follow the fraud known as Vedic > astrology,

> >

> > >

> > > which is neither scientific, nor logical, least of all Vedic, >

> >

> > > instead of celebrating our festivals and muhurtas on correct >

> days, >

> > > > > as advised by our shastras, logic and science--since > > >

> > > Uttarayana/Dakshina yana/Vasanta Sampat/Hemanta Sampat etc. are

> >

> all

> > > > > > phenomena of seasons and therefore scientific! Similarly,

> all

> > > the > > > Vedas and Puranas have fixed certain days for

rituals!

> E.g.,

> > > > > > Nirjala Ekadashi is a sort of Tapasya only if we observe

> it

> in >

> > > > > Summer, when we feel most thirsty, whereas in Winter, it is

>

> > > hardly > > > worthwhile! And that is what we will be doing

after

> a

> few

> > > > centuries-> > > -celebrating that day in Winter--thanks to

> " Vedic

> > > astrologers " > and > > > their " Vedic astrology " > > > > > >> >>-

-

> -

> End

> > > forwarded message ---

> > >

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> > >

> > > --- End forwarded message ---

> > >

> >

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

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>

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