Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 dear subhash, i agree with you.and with mr.yogesh rao.mr.rao has written that it has teached by KSK only,so mars in own star or in sun star makes the dosha.by one author from pune always draw attn about mars in krittika star.in such cases partener is prone to fire accidents.-sunil gondhalekar On 10/26/08, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: i agree. raichur anant mumbai--- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare wrote: Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM Respected Raichur ji, Thanks for the reply and your opinion. Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion that Mars Dosha exists in KP. And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article under consideration the authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact the article deals with occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot be written off on the analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji observed that " to write off " Mars Dosha totally....more research needs to be done. Regards Subhash ektare Raichur-a-r <raichurar Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AMRe: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP dear sirplease remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during or with a yeat of marriaje raichur anant mumbai--- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote: Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP @gro ups.comFriday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM Dear Members, I have gone through the Article " Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP principles " in the file section. In this article the authors have analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so on. In the " Analysis Methodology " it is clearly mentioned that: Quote " When looking at each chart, the program would emit " yes " if a particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit " no " . The result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual interpretation of the results. " Unquote. From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the natives. My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows: 1. In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as per one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts may satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time). 2. In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%. 3. In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 above) 4. In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68% So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as claimed. I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early to " totally write off " Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs to be done….(message # 15390) Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375). Please note that Mr. Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha but only for occurrence of dosha. Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to the conclusion that " Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or multi marriage. " This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion. Subhash Ektare @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853 wrote:>> > Dear L.Y.Rao, > > Firstly, the book " Punarphoo " is nothing to do with " Mars Dosha " which> is entirely different from Punarphoo.> > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that> > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by> T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group)> > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons in KP > )> > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the reason> behind it?> > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us?> > Thanks and regards,> > tw> > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@> wrote:> > > > Dear tw863,> > Pl. read the book " Punarphoo " and then give your comments...> > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars Dosha,as> mentioned by me, " cannot be found in K.P. literature " , should not be > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the book is> given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure...> > With best wishes,> > L.Y.Rao.> >> >> >> > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > Dear All,> >> > Mars Dosha Rule 1: " Mars in own star or in Sun star, and occupying> > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12 " in the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa as > > per KP Principles " by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of> > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is> > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA- > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%)out> > of the tested TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such> > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage. > >> > Regards,> >> > tw> >> > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > wrote:> > >> > > Dear tw853,> > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate> > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying> > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII... > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same> > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it...> > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers> > had passed similar> > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book " > > Punarphoo " written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam> > appeared on the scene to dismiss all doubts...> > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too> > early to " totally write off " Mars Dosha...A lot more research needs > > to be done...> > > With best wishes,> > > L.Y.Rao.> > >> > >> > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following > > reasons:> > >> > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: " To cause difference of opinion,> > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not> > left> > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect > > provided> > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord> > of> > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is> > > deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the > > significator> > > of 6 or 10 or 12 " .> > >> > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article " Mars> > Dosha-> > > A Myth " (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude that > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without> > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received by> > Mars> > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha does > > > not suit our modern age.> > >> > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: " Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a> > house> > > is in fire, we throw water and send. " does not agree with > > suggestion> > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with Mars> > > Dosha like adding more fire to a house which is already in fire.> > >> > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars > > Dosha,> > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their> > whims> > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed to> > run> > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is given > > which> > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally it is> > the> > > public who suffers.> > >> > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100 > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the> > Multi-> > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated Dosha> > in> > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10% only. > > >> > > 6) In the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP Principles " by> > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the 11> > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103 > > single> > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd rule> > > of " Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and occupying> > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12 " is significant for 47 (46%) single-marriage > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars> > Dosha> > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage.> > >> > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature. > > >> > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be helpful for> > > KP lovers.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > tw> > > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research? tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > i agree. > > raichur anant mumbai > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare wrote: > Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM > > > > > > Respected Raichur ji, > > Thanks for the reply and your opinion. > Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion that Mars Dosha exists in KP. > And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article under consideration the > authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact the article deals with > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot be written off on the > analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > observed that " to write off " Mars Dosha totally....more research needs to be done. > > Regards > Subhash ektare > > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar > > Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > dear sir > please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during or with a yeat of marriaje > > > raichur anant mumbai > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote: > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > @gro ups.com > Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM > > > > Dear Members, > I have gone through the Article " Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP principles " in the file section. In this article the authors have analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so on. > In the " Analysis Methodology " it is clearly mentioned that: > Quote > " When looking at each chart, the program would emit " yes " if a particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit " no " . The result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual interpretation of the results. " > Unquote. > From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the natives. > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows: > 1. In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as per one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts may satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time). > 2. In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%. > 3. In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 above) > 4. In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68% > So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as claimed. > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early to " totally write off " Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs to be done….(message # 15390) > > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375). Please note that Mr. Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha but only for occurrence of dosha. > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to the conclusion that " Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or multi marriage. " This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion. > > Subhash Ektare > > > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao, > > > > Firstly, the book " Punarphoo " is nothing to do with " Mars Dosha " which > > is entirely different from Punarphoo. > > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that > > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by > > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group) > > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons in KP > > ) > > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the reason > > behind it? > > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us? > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > tw > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear tw863, > > > Pl. read the book " Punarphoo " and then give your > comments... > > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars Dosha,as > > mentioned by me, " cannot be found in K.P. literature " , should not be > > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the book is > > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure... > > > With best wishes, > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: " Mars in own star or in Sun star, and occupying > > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12 " in the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa as > > > per KP Principles " by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of > > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is > > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA- > > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%) out > > > of the tested > TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such > > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate > > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII... > > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same > > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it... > > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers > > > had passed similar > > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book " > > > Punarphoo " written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam > > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all > doubts... > > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too > > > early to " totally write off " Mars Dosha...A lot more research needs > > > to be done... > > > > With best wishes, > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following > > > reasons: > > > > > > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: " To cause difference of opinion, > > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not > > > left > > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect > > > provided > > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord > > > of > > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is > > > > deposited > in a constellation, the lord of which is the > > > significator > > > > of 6 or 10 or 12 " . > > > > > > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article " Mars > > > Dosha- > > > > A Myth " (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude that > > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without > > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received by > > > Mars > > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha does > > > > not suit our modern age. > > > > > > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: " Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a > > > house > > > > is in fire, we throw water and send. " does not agree with > > > suggestion > > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with Mars > > > > Dosha like adding more > fire to a house which is already in fire. > > > > > > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars > > > Dosha, > > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their > > > whims > > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed to > > > run > > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is given > > > which > > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally it is > > > the > > > > public who suffers. > > > > > > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100 > > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the > > > Multi- > > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated Dosha > > > in > > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10% > only. > > > > > > > > 6) In the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP Principles " by > > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the 11 > > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103 > > > single > > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd rule > > > > of " Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and occupying > > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12 " is significant for 47 (46%) single- marriage > > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars > > > Dosha > > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature. > > > > > > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be helpful for > > > > KP lovers. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 There is no Rule of Mars Dosha as given by Guruji KSK.We have to be on our own to deal with it. With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025 tw853 <tw853 Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:09:52 PM Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research? tw @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..> wrote: > > i agree. > > raichur anant mumbai > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote: > Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > @gro ups.com > Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM > > > > > > Respected Raichur ji, > > Thanks for the reply and your opinion. > Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion that Mars Dosha exists in KP. > And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article under consideration the > authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact the article deals with > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot be written off on the > analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > observed that "to write off" Mars Dosha totally....more research needs to be done. > > Regards > Subhash ektare > > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..> > @gro ups.com > Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > > > > > > dear sir > please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during or with a yeat of marriaje > > > raichur anant mumbai > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote: > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > @gro ups.com > Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM > > > > Dear Members, > I have gone through the Article "Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP principles" in the file section. In this article the authors have analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so on. > In the "Analysis Methodology" it is clearly mentioned that: > Quote > "When looking at each chart, the program would emit "yes" if a particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit "no". The result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual interpretation of the results." > Unquote. > From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the natives. > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows: > 1. In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as per one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts may satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time). > 2. In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%. > 3. In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 above) > 4. In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68% > So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as claimed. > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early to "totally write off" Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs to be done….(message # 15390) > > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375).. Please note that Mr. Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha but only for occurrence of dosha. > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to the conclusion that "Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or multi marriage." This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion. > > Subhash Ektare > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao, > > > > Firstly, the book "Punarphoo" is nothing to do with "Mars Dosha" which > > is entirely different from Punarphoo. > > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that > > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by > > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group) > > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons in KP > > ) > > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the reason > > behind it? > > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us? > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > tw > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear tw863, > > > Pl. read the book "Punarphoo" and then give your > comments... > > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars Dosha,as > > mentioned by me,"cannot be found in K.P. literature", should not be > > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the book is > > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure... > > > With best wishes, > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > > > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: "Mars in own star or in Sun star, and occupying > > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12" in the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa as > > > per KP Principles" by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of > > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is > > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA- > > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%) out > > > of the tested > TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such > > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate > > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII... > > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same > > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it... > > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers > > > had passed similar > > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book " > > > Punarphoo" written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam > > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all > doubts... > > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too > > > early to "totally write off" Mars Dosha...A lot more research needs > > > to be done... > > > > With best wishes, > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following > > > reasons: > > > > > > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: "To cause difference of opinion, > > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not > > > left > > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect > > > provided > > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord > > > of > > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is > > > > deposited > in a constellation, the lord of which is the > > > significator > > > > of 6 or 10 or 12". > > > > > > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article "Mars > > > Dosha- > > > > A Myth" (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude that > > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without > > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received by > > > Mars > > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha does > > > > not suit our modern age. > > > > > > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: "Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a > > > house > > > > is in fire, we throw water and send." does not agree with > > > suggestion > > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with Mars > > > > Dosha like adding more > fire to a house which is already in fire. > > > > > > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars > > > Dosha, > > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their > > > whims > > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed to > > > run > > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is given > > > which > > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally it is > > > the > > > > public who suffers. > > > > > > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100 > > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the > > > Multi- > > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated Dosha > > > in > > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10% > only. > > > > > > > > 6) In the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP Principles" by > > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the 11 > > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103 > > > single > > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd rule > > > > of "Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and occupying > > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12" is significant for 47 (46%) single- marriage > > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars > > > Dosha > > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature. > > > > > > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be helpful for > > > > KP lovers. > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Dear Friends, It means NO Mars Dosha by Guru ji KSK. By one's own way is his or her way not KP. In KP, where is Mars Dosha? NOT in 1)KPDP, 2)denial or delay of marrige, 3)seperation or divorce or reunion, 4)more than one marriage, 5)happy married life, 6)who survies who, death of partner? Regards, tw , Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology wrote: > > There is no Rule of Mars Dosha as given by Guruji KSK. > We have to be on our own to deal with it. > > With thanks and warm regards, > > MK (Mohan Kumar.R.) > Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English Tutor > Advanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based) > 219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006 > Cell: 99443-07025 > > > > > ________________________________ > tw853 <tw853 > > Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:09:52 PM > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research? > > tw > > @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> wrote: > > > > i agree. > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote: > > Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raichur ji, > > > > Thanks for the reply and your opinion. > > Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion > that Mars Dosha exists in KP. > > And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article > under consideration the > > authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact > the article deals with > > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot > be written off on the > > analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of > charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > > observed that " to write off " Mars Dosha totally....more research > needs to be done. > > > > Regards > > Subhash ektare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir > > please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during > or with a yeat of marriaje > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote: > > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > > > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > I have gone through the Article " Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP > principles " in the file section. In this article the authors have > analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having > one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so > on. > > In the " Analysis Methodology " it is clearly mentioned that: > > Quote > > " When looking at each chart, the program would emit " yes " if a > particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit " no " . The > result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual > interpretation of the results. " > > Unquote. > > From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see > whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. > The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the > natives. > > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows: > > 1. In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in > 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in > all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as per > one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts may > satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time). > > 2. In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%. > > 3. In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 above) > > 4. In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68% > > So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as > claimed. > > > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early > to " totally write off " Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs > to be done….(message # 15390) > > > > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His > observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there > was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated > Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375). Please note that Mr. > Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha > but only for occurrence of dosha. > > > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to > the conclusion that " Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or > multi marriage. " This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of > Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > > > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, > Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please > correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion. > > > > Subhash Ektare > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > Firstly, the book " Punarphoo " is nothing to do with " Mars Dosha " > which > > > is entirely different from Punarphoo. > > > > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that > > > > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by > > > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group) > > > > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons > in KP > > > ) > > > > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the > reason > > > behind it? > > > > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us? > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear tw863, > > > > Pl. read the book " Punarphoo " and then give your > > comments... > > > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars > Dosha,as > > > mentioned by me, " cannot be found in K.P. literature " , should not > be > > > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the > book is > > > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure... > > > > With best wishes, > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: " Mars in own star or in Sun star, and > occupying > > > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12 " in the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa > as > > > > per KP Principles " by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file > section' of > > > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is > > > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA- > > > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%) > out > > > > of the tested > > TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such > > > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate > > > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII... > > > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same > > > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it... > > > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers > > > > had passed similar > > > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book " > > > > Punarphoo " written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam > > > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all > > doubts... > > > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too > > > > early to " totally write off " Mars Dosha...A lot more research > needs > > > > to be done... > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following > > > > reasons: > > > > > > > > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: " To cause difference of opinion, > > > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not > > > > left > > > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect > > > > provided > > > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the > sublord > > > > of > > > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the > sublord is > > > > > deposited > > in a constellation, the lord of which is the > > > > significator > > > > > of 6 or 10 or 12 " . > > > > > > > > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article " Mars > > > > Dosha- > > > > > A Myth " (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude > that > > > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without > > > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received > by > > > > Mars > > > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha > does > > > > > not suit our modern age. > > > > > > > > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: " Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a > > > > house > > > > > is in fire, we throw water and send. " does not agree with > > > > suggestion > > > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with > Mars > > > > > Dosha like adding more > > fire to a house which is already in fire. > > > > > > > > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars > > > > Dosha, > > > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their > > > > whims > > > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed > to > > > > run > > > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is given > > > > which > > > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally it > is > > > > the > > > > > public who suffers. > > > > > > > > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100 > > > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the > > > > Multi- > > > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated > Dosha > > > > in > > > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10% > > only. > > > > > > > > > > 6) In the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP > Principles " by > > > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the > 11 > > > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103 > > > > single > > > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd > rule > > > > > of " Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and > occupying > > > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12 " is significant for 47 (46%) single- > marriage > > > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars > > > > Dosha > > > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature. > > > > > > > > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be > helpful for > > > > > KP lovers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Dear Friends, " mars in own star or in sun > star makes the dosha. " is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by T.R.RAGHUNATH-MADRAS- 44, in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under " New Horizons in KP " as already mentioned in Msg#10694/20465. The author says,for further details, read the six readers of Shri K.S.K. and in particular Fourth Reader to know more about marriage as per K.P. Regards, tw , " sunil gondhalekar " <sunilalaka wrote: > > dear subhash, > i agree with you.and with mr.yogesh rao.mr.rao has written > that it has teached by KSK only,so mars in own star or in sun > star makes the dosha.by one author from pune always draw attn about > mars in krittika star.in such cases partener is prone to fire accidents. > -sunil gondhalekar > > On 10/26/08, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: > > > > i agree. > > > > *raichur anant mumbai* > > > > > > --- On *Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare* wrote: > > > > Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > > Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM > > > > Respected Raichur ji, > > > > Thanks for the reply and your opinion. > > Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion that Mars > > Dosha exists in KP. > > And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article under > > consideration the > > authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact the > > article deals with > > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot be > > written off on the > > analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of charts.That > > is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > > observed that " to write off " Mars Dosha totally....more research needs to > > be done. > > > > Regards > > Subhash ektare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > ** Raichur-a-r <raichurar > > *To:* > > *Sent:* Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM > > *Subject:* Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > > dear sir > > please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during or with > > a yeat of marriaje > > > > *raichur anant mumbai* > > > > > > --- On *Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >* wrote: > > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > > > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM > > > > Dear Members, > > > > I have gone through the Article " Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP > > principles " in the file section. In this article the authors have analyzed > > 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having one marriage, 26 > > having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so on. > > > > In the " Analysis Methodology " it is clearly mentioned that: > > > > Quote > > > > " When looking at each chart, the program would emit " yes " if a particular > > rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit " no " . The result was then > > loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual interpretation of the > > results. " > > > > Unquote. > > > > *From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see whether > > Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. The analysis, > > in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the natives. * > > > > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows: > > > > 1. In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in 14.56%, > > R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in all (adding > > all percentages) in *86.4%* charts Mars Dosha exists as per one rule or > > other. (This % may be little less because some charts may satisfy more than > > one rule and may get counted more than one time). > > > > 2. In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall percentage > > of Mars Dosh is *65.4%.* > > > > 3. In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall percentage of > > Mars Dosha is *117.4%* (Please refer note in para 1 above) > > > > 4. In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall percentage of > > Mars Dosha is *86.68%* > > > > *So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as > > claimed. * > > > > * * > > > > *I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early to " totally > > write off " Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs to be > > done….(message # 15390)* > > > > > > > > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His observation > > was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there was mitigated > > Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of > > Message # 15375). *Please note that Mr. Raichur also had not analyzed the > > charts for effects of Mars Dosha but only for occurrence of dosha.* > > > > > > > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to the > > conclusion that " Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or multi > > marriage. " This is because analysis deals with *Occurrence *of Mars Dosha > > and does not deal with the *Effects *of Mars Dosha. > > > > > > > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, Gondhalekar ji > > and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please correct me if I am wrong > > with their valued opinion. > > > > > > > > Subhash Ektare > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > Firstly, the book " Punarphoo " is nothing to do with " Mars Dosha " which > > > is entirely different from Punarphoo. > > > > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that > > > > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by > > > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group) > > > > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons in KP > > > ) > > > > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the reason > > > behind it? > > > > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us? > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear tw863, > > > > Pl. read the book " Punarphoo " and then give your comments... > > > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars Dosha,as > > > mentioned by me, " cannot be found in K.P. literature " , should not be > > > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the book is > > > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure... > > > > With best wishes, > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: " Mars in own star or in Sun star, and occupying > > > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12 " in the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa as > > > > per KP Principles " by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of > > > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is > > > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA- > > > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%)out > > > > of the tested TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such > > > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate > > > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII... > > > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same > > > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it... > > > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers > > > > had passed similar > > > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book " > > > > Punarphoo " written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam > > > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all doubts... > > > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too > > > > early to " totally write off " Mars Dosha...A lot more research needs > > > > to be done... > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following > > > > reasons: > > > > > > > > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: " To cause difference of opinion, > > > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not > > > > left > > > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect > > > > provided > > > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord > > > > of > > > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is > > > > > deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the > > > > significator > > > > > of 6 or 10 or 12 " . > > > > > > > > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article " Mars > > > > Dosha- > > > > > A Myth " (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude that > > > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without > > > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received by > > > > Mars > > > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha does > > > > > not suit our modern age. > > > > > > > > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: " Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a > > > > house > > > > > is in fire, we throw water and send. " does not agree with > > > > suggestion > > > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with Mars > > > > > Dosha like adding more fire to a house which is already in fire. > > > > > > > > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars > > > > Dosha, > > > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their > > > > whims > > > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed to > > > > run > > > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is given > > > > which > > > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally it is > > > > the > > > > > public who suffers. > > > > > > > > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100 > > > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the > > > > Multi- > > > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated Dosha > > > > in > > > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10% only. > > > > > > > > > > 6) In the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP Principles " by > > > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the 11 > > > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103 > > > > single > > > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd rule > > > > > of " Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and occupying > > > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12 " is significant for 47 (46%) single- marriage > > > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars > > > > Dosha > > > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature. > > > > > > > > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be helpful for > > > > > KP lovers. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. 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Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Dear Tin Win, Yes it is our late Guruji's statement that I have quoted...you will find mention of it in Horary Astrology and elsewhere also... Definitely,more research is definitely callde for,before "inunciating a 'rule' "... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. tw853 <tw853 Sent: Sunday, 26 October, 2008 6:09:52 PM Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research?tw@gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..> wrote:>> i agree. > > raichur anant mumbai> > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote:> Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...>> Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> @gro ups.com> Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM> > > > > > Respected Raichur ji,> > Thanks for the reply and your opinion.> Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion that Mars Dosha exists in KP.> And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article under consideration the> authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact the article deals with > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot be written off on the> analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > observed that "to write off" Mars Dosha totally....more research needs to be done.> > Regards> Subhash ektare> > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..>> @gro ups.com> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM> Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> > > > > > > > dear sir> please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during or with a yeat of marriaje> > > raichur anant mumbai> > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >> Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> @gro ups.com> Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM> > > > Dear Members,> I have gone through the Article "Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP principles" in the file section. In this article the authors have analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so on. > In the "Analysis Methodology" it is clearly mentioned that: > Quote > "When looking at each chart, the program would emit "yes" if a particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit "no". The result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual interpretation of the results." > Unquote.> From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the natives. > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows:> 1. In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as per one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts may satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time). > 2. In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%.> 3. In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 above)> 4. In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68%> So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as claimed. > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early to "totally write off" Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs to be done….(message # 15390)> > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375). Please note that Mr. Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha but only for occurrence of dosha. > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to the conclusion that "Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or multi marriage." This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion.> > Subhash Ektare> > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > > > Dear L.Y.Rao,> > > > Firstly, the book "Punarphoo" is nothing to do with "Mars Dosha" which> > is entirely different from Punarphoo.> > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that> > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by> > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group)> > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons in KP> > )> > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the reason> > behind it?> > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us?> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear tw863,> > > Pl. read the book "Punarphoo" and then give your> comments...> > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars Dosha,as> > mentioned by me,"cannot be found in K.P. literature", should not be> > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the book is> > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure...> > > With best wishes,> > > L.Y.Rao.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: "Mars in own star or in Sun star, and occupying> > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12" in the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa as> > > per KP Principles" by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of> > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is> > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA-> > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%)out> > > of the tested> TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such> > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear tw853,> > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate> > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying> > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII...> > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same> > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it...> > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers> > > had passed similar> > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book "> > > Punarphoo" written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam> > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all> doubts...> > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too> > > early to "totally write off" Mars Dosha...A lot more research needs> > > to be done...> > > > With best wishes,> > > > L.Y.Rao.> > > >> > > >> > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following> > > reasons:> > > >> > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: "To cause difference of opinion,> > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not> > > left> > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect> > > provided> > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord> > > of> > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is> > > > deposited> in a constellation, the lord of which is the> > > significator> > > > of 6 or 10 or 12".> > > >> > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article "Mars> > > Dosha-> > > > A Myth" (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude that> > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without> > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received by> > > Mars> > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha does> > > > not suit our modern age.> > > >> > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: "Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a> > > house> > > > is in fire, we throw water and send." does not agree with> > > suggestion> > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with Mars> > > > Dosha like adding more> fire to a house which is already in fire.> > > >> > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars> > > Dosha,> > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their> > > whims> > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed to> > > run> > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is given> > > which> > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally it is> > > the> > > > public who suffers.> > > >> > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100> > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the> > > Multi-> > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated Dosha> > > in> > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10%> only.> > > >> > > > 6) In the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP Principles" by> > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the 11> > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103> > > single> > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd rule> > > > of "Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and occupying> > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12" is significant for 47 (46%) single-marriage> > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars> > > Dosha> > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage.> > > >> > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature.> > > >> > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be helpful for> > > > KP lovers.> > > >> > >> > Regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > > >> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Dear MKR, Pl. peruse Horary Astrology,atleast in the edition I possess it is there... I have restated verbatim, what appeares in the book... L.Y.Rao. Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology Sent: Sunday, 26 October, 2008 9:38:35 PMRe: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP There is no Rule of Mars Dosha as given by Guruji KSK.We have to be on our own to deal with it. With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025 tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comSunday, October 26, 2008 6:09:52 PM Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research?tw@gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..> wrote:>> i agree. > > raichur anant mumbai> > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote:> Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...>> Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> @gro ups.com> Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM> > > > > > Respected Raichur ji,> > Thanks for the reply and your opinion.> Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion that Mars Dosha exists in KP.> And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article under consideration the> authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact the article deals with > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot be written off on the> analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > observed that "to write off" Mars Dosha totally....more research needs to be done.> > Regards> Subhash ektare> > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..>> @gro ups.com> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM> Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> > > > > > > > dear sir> please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during or with a yeat of marriaje> > > raichur anant mumbai> > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >> Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> @gro ups.com> Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM> > > > Dear Members,> I have gone through the Article "Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP principles" in the file section. In this article the authors have analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so on. > In the "Analysis Methodology" it is clearly mentioned that: > Quote > "When looking at each chart, the program would emit "yes" if a particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit "no". The result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual interpretation of the results." > Unquote.> From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the natives. > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows:> 1. In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as per one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts may satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time). > 2. In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%.> 3. In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 above)> 4. In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68%> So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as claimed. > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early to "totally write off" Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs to be done….(message # 15390)> > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375).. Please note that Mr. Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha but only for occurrence of dosha. > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to the conclusion that "Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or multi marriage." This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion.> > Subhash Ektare> > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > > > Dear L.Y.Rao,> > > > Firstly, the book "Punarphoo" is nothing to do with "Mars Dosha" which> > is entirely different from Punarphoo.> > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that> > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by> > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group)> > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons in KP> > )> > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the reason> > behind it?> > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us?> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear tw863,> > > Pl. read the book "Punarphoo" and then give your> comments...> > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars Dosha,as> > mentioned by me,"cannot be found in K.P. literature", should not be> > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the book is> > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure...> > > With best wishes,> > > L.Y.Rao.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: "Mars in own star or in Sun star, and occupying> > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12" in the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa as> > > per KP Principles" by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of> > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is> > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA-> > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%)out> > > of the tested> TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such> > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear tw853,> > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate> > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying> > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII...> > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same> > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it...> > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers> > > had passed similar> > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book "> > > Punarphoo" written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam> > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all> doubts...> > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too> > > early to "totally write off" Mars Dosha...A lot more research needs> > > to be done...> > > > With best wishes,> > > > L.Y.Rao.> > > >> > > >> > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following> > > reasons:> > > >> > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: "To cause difference of opinion,> > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not> > > left> > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect> > > provided> > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord> > > of> > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is> > > > deposited> in a constellation, the lord of which is the> > > significator> > > > of 6 or 10 or 12".> > > >> > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article "Mars> > > Dosha-> > > > A Myth" (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude that> > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without> > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received by> > > Mars> > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha does> > > > not suit our modern age.> > > >> > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: "Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a> > > house> > > > is in fire, we throw water and send." does not agree with> > > suggestion> > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with Mars> > > > Dosha like adding more> fire to a house which is already in fire.> > > >> > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars> > > Dosha,> > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their> > > whims> > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed to> > > run> > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is given> > > which> > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally it is> > > the> > > > public who suffers.> > > >> > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100> > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the> > > Multi-> > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated Dosha> > > in> > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10%> only.> > > >> > > > 6) In the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP Principles" by> > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the 11> > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103> > > single> > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd rule> > > > of "Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and occupying> > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12" is significant for 47 (46%) single-marriage> > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars> > > Dosha> > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage.> > > >> > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature.> > > >> > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be helpful for> > > > KP lovers.> > > >> > >> > Regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > > >> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Sir, In KP very little importance is given to Karakattva of planets . Therefore there does not seem to be any possiblity of Mars-Dosh in this system.The sooner we admit it , the better. regards, sujat. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear MKR, >                  Pl. peruse Horary Astrology,atleast in the edition I possess it is there... >                  I have restated verbatim, what appeares in the book... >                  L.Y.Rao. > > > > > ________________________________ > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology > > Sunday, 26 October, 2008 9:38:35 PM > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > There is no Rule of Mars Dosha as given by Guruji KSK. > We have to be on our own to deal with it. > > With thanks and warm regards, > > MK (Mohan Kumar.R.) > Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English Tutor > Advanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based) > 219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006 > Cell: 99443-07025 > > > > > ________________________________ > tw853 <tw853 > > @gro ups.com > Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:09:52 PM > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research? > > tw > > @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> wrote: > > > > i agree. > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote: > > Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raichur ji, > >  > > Thanks for the reply and your opinion. > > Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion > that Mars Dosha exists in KP. > > And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article > under consideration the > > authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact > the article deals with > > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot > be written off on the > > analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of > charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > > observed that " to write off " Mars Dosha totally....more research > needs to be done. > >  > > Regards > > Subhash ektare > >  > >  > >  > >  > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir > > please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during > or with a yeat of marriaje > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote: > > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > > > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > I have gone through the Article " Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP > principles " in the file section. In this article the authors have > analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having > one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so > on. > > In the " Analysis Methodology " it is clearly mentioned that: > > Quote > > " When looking at each chart, the program would emit " yes " if a > particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit " no " . The > result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual > interpretation of the results. " > > Unquote. > > From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see > whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. > The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the > natives. > > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows: > > 1.    In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in > 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in > all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as per > one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts may > satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time).  > > 2.    In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%. > > 3.    In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 above) > > 4.    In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68% > > So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as > claimed. > >  > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early > to " totally write off " Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs > to be done….(message # 15390) > >  > > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His > observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there > was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated > Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375).. Please note that Mr. > Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha > but only for occurrence of dosha. > >  > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to > the conclusion that " Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or > multi marriage. " This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of > Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > >  > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, > Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please > correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion. > >  > > Subhash Ektare > > > >  > >  > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > Firstly, the book " Punarphoo " is nothing to do with " Mars Dosha " > which > > > is entirely different from Punarphoo. > > > > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that > > > > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by > > > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group) > > > > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons > in KP > > > ) > > > > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the > reason > > > behind it? > > > > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us? > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear tw863, > > > > Pl. read the book " Punarphoo " and then give your > > comments... > > > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars > Dosha,as > > > mentioned by me, " cannot be found in K.P. literature " , should not > be > > > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the > book is > > > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure... > > > > With best wishes, > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: " Mars in own star or in Sun star, and > occupying > > > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12 " in the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa > as > > > > per KP Principles " by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file > section' of > > > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is > > > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA- > > > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%) > out > > > > of the tested > > TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such > > > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate > > > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII... > > > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same > > > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it... > > > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers > > > > had passed similar > > > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book " > > > > Punarphoo " written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam > > > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all > > doubts... > > > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too > > > > early to " totally write off " Mars Dosha...A lot more research > needs > > > > to be done... > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following > > > > reasons: > > > > > > > > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: " To cause difference of opinion, > > > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not > > > > left > > > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect > > > > provided > > > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the > sublord > > > > of > > > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the > sublord is > > > > > deposited > > in a constellation, the lord of which is the > > > > significator > > > > > of 6 or 10 or 12 " . > > > > > > > > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article " Mars > > > > Dosha- > > > > > A Myth " (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude > that > > > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without > > > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received > by > > > > Mars > > > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha > does > > > > > not suit our modern age. > > > > > > > > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: " Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a > > > > house > > > > > is in fire, we throw water and send. " does not agree with > > > > suggestion > > > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with > Mars > > > > > Dosha like adding more > > fire to a house which is already in fire. > > > > > > > > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars > > > > Dosha, > > > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their > > > > whims > > > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed > to > > > > run > > > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is given > > > > which > > > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally it > is > > > > the > > > > > public who suffers. > > > > > > > > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100 > > > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the > > > > Multi- > > > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated > Dosha > > > > in > > > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10% > > only. > > > > > > > > > > 6) In the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP > Principles " by > > > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the > 11 > > > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103 > > > > single > > > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd > rule > > > > > of " Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and > occupying > > > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12 " is significant for 47 (46%) single- > marriage > > > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars > > > > Dosha > > > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature. > > > > > > > > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be > helpful for > > > > > KP lovers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 In KP (Reader III Old Edition p 194/ New edition p 362), "Hence one is to note what each planet can contribute always consider the sublord." , "sujatkaram" <sujatkaram wrote:>> Sir,> In KP very little importance is given to Karakattva of planets . > Therefore there does not seem to be any possiblity of Mars-Dosh in > this system.The sooner we admit it , the better.> regards,> sujat. , Yogesh Rao Lajmi > lyrastro1@ wrote:> >> > Dear MKR,> >                  Pl. peruse Horary > Astrology,atleast in the edition I possess it is there...> >                  I have restated verbatim, what > appeares in the book...> >                  L.Y.Rao.> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan kpmk_astrology@> > > > Sunday, 26 October, 2008 9:38:35 PM> > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> > > > > > There is no Rule of Mars Dosha as given by Guruji KSK.> > We have to be on our own to deal with it.> > > > With thanks and warm regards,> > > > MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)> > Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English Tutor> > Advanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)> > 219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006> > Cell: 99443-07025 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > tw853 tw853 >> > @gro ups.com> > Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:09:52 PM> > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> > > > > > Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research?> > > > tw> > > > @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> > wrote:> > >> > > i agree. > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai> > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote:> > > Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...>> > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> > > @gro ups.com> > > Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raichur ji,> > >  > > > Thanks for the reply and your opinion.> > > Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion > > that Mars Dosha exists in KP.> > > And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article > > under consideration the> > > authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In > fact > > the article deals with > > > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha > cannot > > be written off on the> > > analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of > > charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > > > observed that "to write off" Mars Dosha totally....more research > > needs to be done.> > >  > > > Regards> > > Subhash ektare> > >  > > >  > > >  > > >  > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..>> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM> > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir> > > please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion > before/during > > or with a yeat of marriaje> > > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai> > > > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >> > > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> > > @gro ups.com> > > Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > > I have gone through the Article "Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP > > principles" in the file section. In this article the authors have > > analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 > having > > one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and > so > > on. > > > In the "Analysis Methodology" it is clearly mentioned that: > > > Quote > > > "When looking at each chart, the program would emit "yes" if a > > particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit "no". The > > result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a > manual > > interpretation of the results." > > > Unquote.> > > From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see > > whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or > not. > > The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on > the > > natives. > > > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as > follows:> > > 1.    In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied > in > > 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus > in > > all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as > per > > one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts > may > > satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time). >  > > > 2.    In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall > > percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%.> > > 3.    In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall > > percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 > above)> > > 4.    In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall > > percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68%> > > So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as > > claimed. > > >  > > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early > > to "totally write off" Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research > needs > > to be done….(message # 15390)> > >  > > > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His > > observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts > there > > was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated > > Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375).. Please note that Mr. > > Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha > > but only for occurrence of dosha. > > >  > > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to > > the conclusion that "Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or > > multi marriage." This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of > > Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > > >  > > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, > > Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please > > correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion.> > >  > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > >  > > >  > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao,> > > > > > > > Firstly, the book "Punarphoo" is nothing to do with "Mars > Dosha" > > which> > > > is entirely different from Punarphoo.> > > > > > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that> > > > > > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by> > > > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group)> > > > > > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New > Horizons > > in KP> > > > )> > > > > > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the > > reason> > > > behind it?> > > > > > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us?> > > > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > > > tw> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear tw863,> > > > > Pl. read the book "Punarphoo" and then give your> > > comments...> > > > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars > > Dosha,as> > > > mentioned by me,"cannot be found in K.P. literature", should > not > > be> > > > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the > > book is> > > > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure...> > > > > With best wishes,> > > > > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > >> > > > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: "Mars in own star or in Sun star, and > > occupying> > > > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12" in the study on "Analysis of Mars > Dosa > > as> > > > > per KP Principles" by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file > > section' of> > > > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is> > > > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB > AA-> > > > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts > (15.94%)> > out> > > > > of the tested> > > TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such> > > > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi > lyrastro1@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear tw853,> > > > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate> > > > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is > occupying> > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII...> > > > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same> > > > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it...> > > > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers> > > > > had passed similar> > > > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book "> > > > > Punarphoo" written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam> > > > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all> > > doubts...> > > > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too> > > > > early to "totally write off" Mars Dosha...A lot more research > > needs> > > > > to be done...> > > > > > With best wishes,> > > > > > L.Y.Rao.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > >> > > > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following> > > > > reasons:> > > > > >> > > > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: "To cause difference of opinion,> > > > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is > not> > > > > left> > > > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect> > > > > provided> > > > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the > > sublord> > > > > of> > > > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the > > sublord is> > > > > > deposited> > > in a constellation, the lord of which is the> > > > > significator> > > > > > of 6 or 10 or 12".> > > > > >> > > > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his > article "Mars> > > > > Dosha-> > > > > > A Myth" (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to > conclude > > that> > > > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless > without> > > > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects > received > > by> > > > > Mars> > > > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars > Dosha > > does> > > > > > not suit our modern age.> > > > > >> > > > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: "Prof. Krishnamurti says that > when a> > > > > house> > > > > > is in fire, we throw water and send." does not agree with> > > > > suggestion> > > > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with > > Mars> > > > > > Dosha like adding more> > > fire to a house which is already in fire.> > > > > >> > > > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars> > > > > Dosha,> > > > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to > their> > > > > whims> > > > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public > pushed > > to> > > > > run> > > > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is > given> > > > > which> > > > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally > it > > is> > > > > the> > > > > > public who suffers.> > > > > >> > > > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated > 100> > > > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for > the> > > > > Multi-> > > > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated > > Dosha> > > > > in> > > > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10%> > > only.> > > > > >> > > > > > 6) In the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP > > Principles" by> > > > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, > the > > 11> > > > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated > 103> > > > > single> > > > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd > > rule> > > > > > of "Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and > > occupying> > > > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12" is significant for 47 (46%) single-> > marriage> > > > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating > Mars> > > > > Dosha> > > > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage.> > > > > >> > > > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature.> > > > > >> > > > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be > > helpful for> > > > > > KP lovers.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > > >> > > > > > tw> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. 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Guest guest Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Dear Rao Ji, Thank you for the kind words.I meant to say that Guruji has not mentioned in his readers about the effects of Mars Dosha. He has mentioned what makes a Mars Dosha or how it occurs with respect to Venus, Moon and Ascendant.How to predict or what to predict about this Mars Dosha is the confusion for which we all are seeking answer. Is there any guideline in KP Readers for this? Please let us know.Thanks.With sincere and true respects to all seniors,MK.Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 10:25:51 AMRe: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP Dear MKR, Pl. peruse Horary Astrology,atleast in the edition I possess it is there... I have restated verbatim, what appeares in the book... L.Y.Rao. Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >@gro ups.comSunday, 26 October, 2008 9:38:35 PMRe: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP There is no Rule of Mars Dosha as given by Guruji KSK.We have to be on our own to deal with it. With thanks and warm regards,MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English TutorAdvanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006Cell: 99443-07025 tw853 <tw853 >@gro ups.comSunday, October 26, 2008 6:09:52 PM Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research?tw@gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..> wrote:>> i agree. > > raichur anant mumbai> > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote:> Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...>> Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> @gro ups.com> Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM> > > > > > Respected Raichur ji,> > Thanks for the reply and your opinion.> Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion that Mars Dosha exists in KP.> And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article under consideration the> authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact the article deals with > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot be written off on the> analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > observed that "to write off" Mars Dosha totally....more research needs to be done.> > Regards> Subhash ektare> > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@. ..>> @gro ups.com> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM> Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> > > > > > > > dear sir> please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during or with a yeat of marriaje> > > raichur anant mumbai> > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >> Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> @gro ups.com> Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM> > > > Dear Members,> I have gone through the Article "Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP principles" in the file section. In this article the authors have analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so on. > In the "Analysis Methodology" it is clearly mentioned that: > Quote > "When looking at each chart, the program would emit "yes" if a particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit "no". The result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual interpretation of the results." > Unquote.> From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the natives. > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows:> 1. In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as per one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts may satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time). > 2. In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%.> 3. In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 above)> 4. In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68%> So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as claimed. > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early to "totally write off" Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs to be done….(message # 15390)> > Mr. A. R.. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375).. Please note that Mr. Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha but only for occurrence of dosha. > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to the conclusion that "Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or multi marriage." This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion.> > Subhash Ektare> > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > > > Dear L.Y.Rao,> > > > Firstly, the book "Punarphoo" is nothing to do with "Mars Dosha" which> > is entirely different from Punarphoo.> > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that> > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by> > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group)> > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons in KP> > )> > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the reason> > behind it?> > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us?> > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > tw> > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear tw863,> > > Pl. read the book "Punarphoo" and then give your> comments...> > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars Dosha,as> > mentioned by me,"cannot be found in K.P. literature", should not be> > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the book is> > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure...> > > With best wishes,> > > L.Y.Rao.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > Dear All,> > >> > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: "Mars in own star or in Sun star, and occupying> > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12" in the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa as> > > per KP Principles" by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of> > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is> > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA-> > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%)out> > > of the tested> TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such> > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage.> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > tw> > >> > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear tw853,> > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate> > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying> > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII...> > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same> > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it...> > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers> > > had passed similar> > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book "> > > Punarphoo" written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam> > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all> doubts...> > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too> > > early to "totally write off" Mars Dosha...A lot more research needs> > > to be done...> > > > With best wishes,> > > > L.Y.Rao.> > > >> > > >> > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following> > > reasons:> > > >> > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: "To cause difference of opinion,> > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not> > > left> > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect> > > provided> > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord> > > of> > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is> > > > deposited> in a constellation, the lord of which is the> > > significator> > > > of 6 or 10 or 12".> > > >> > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article "Mars> > > Dosha-> > > > A Myth" (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude that> > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without> > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received by> > > Mars> > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha does> > > > not suit our modern age.> > > >> > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: "Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a> > > house> > > > is in fire, we throw water and send." does not agree with> > > suggestion> > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with Mars> > > > Dosha like adding more> fire to a house which is already in fire.> > > >> > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars> > > Dosha,> > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their> > > whims> > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed to> > > run> > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is given> > > which> > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc.. Finally it is> > > the> > > > public who suffers.> > > >> > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100> > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the> > > Multi-> > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated Dosha> > > in> > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10%> only.> > > >> > > > 6) In the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP Principles" by> > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the 11> > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103> > > single> > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd rule> > > > of "Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and occupying> > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12" is significant for 47 (46%) single-marriage> > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars> > > Dosha> > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage.> > > >> > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature.> > > >> > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be helpful for> > > > KP lovers.> > > >> > >> > Regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > > >> >> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Dear Friend, Here I agree with your point.Thanks anyhow.MKtw853 <tw853 Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 4:40:02 AM Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP Dear Friends, It means NO Mars Dosha by Guru ji KSK. By one's own way is his or her way not KP. In KP, where is Mars Dosha? NOT in 1)KPDP, 2)denial or delay of marrige, 3)seperation or divorce or reunion, 4)more than one marriage, 5)happy married life, 6)who survies who, death of partner? Regards, tw @gro ups.com, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ ...> wrote: > > There is no Rule of Mars Dosha as given by Guruji KSK. > We have to be on our own to deal with it. > > With thanks and warm regards, > > MK (Mohan Kumar.R.) > Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English Tutor > Advanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based) > 219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006 > Cell: 99443-07025 > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > tw853 <tw853 > @gro ups.com > Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:09:52 PM > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research? > > tw > > @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> wrote: > > > > i agree. > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote: > > Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raichur ji, > > > > Thanks for the reply and your opinion. > > Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion > that Mars Dosha exists in KP. > > And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article > under consideration the > > authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact > the article deals with > > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot > be written off on the > > analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of > charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > > observed that "to write off" Mars Dosha totally....more research > needs to be done. > > > > Regards > > Subhash ektare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir > > please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during > or with a yeat of marriaje > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote: > > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > > > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > I have gone through the Article "Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP > principles" in the file section. In this article the authors have > analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having > one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so > on. > > In the "Analysis Methodology" it is clearly mentioned that: > > Quote > > "When looking at each chart, the program would emit "yes" if a > particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit "no". The > result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual > interpretation of the results." > > Unquote.. > > From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see > whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. > The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the > natives. > > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows: > > 1. In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in > 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in > all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as per > one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts may > satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time). > > 2. In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%. > > 3. In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 above) > > 4. In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68% > > So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as > claimed. > > > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early > to "totally write off" Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs > to be done….(message # 15390) > > > > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His > observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there > was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated > Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375). Please note that Mr. > Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha > but only for occurrence of dosha. > > > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to > the conclusion that "Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or > multi marriage." This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of > Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > > > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, > Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please > correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion. > > > > Subhash Ektare > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > Firstly, the book "Punarphoo" is nothing to do with "Mars Dosha" > which > > > is entirely different from Punarphoo. > > > > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that > > > > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by > > > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group) > > > > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons > in KP > > > ) > > > > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the > reason > > > behind it? > > > > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us? > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear tw863, > > > > Pl.. read the book "Punarphoo" and then give your > > comments... > > > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars > Dosha,as > > > mentioned by me,"cannot be found in K.P. literature", should not > be > > > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the > book is > > > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure... > > > > With best wishes, > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: "Mars in own star or in Sun star, and > occupying > > > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12" in the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa > as > > > > per KP Principles" by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file > section' of > > > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is > > > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA- > > > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%) > out > > > > of the tested > > TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such > > > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate > > > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII... > > > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same > > > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it... > > > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers > > > > had passed similar > > > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga....but eventually, a book " > > > > Punarphoo" written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam > > > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all > > doubts... > > > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too > > > > early to "totally write off" Mars Dosha...A lot more research > needs > > > > to be done... > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following > > > > reasons: > > > > > > > > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: "To cause difference of opinion, > > > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not > > > > left > > > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect > > > > provided > > > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the > sublord > > > > of > > > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the > sublord is > > > > > deposited > > in a constellation, the lord of which is the > > > > significator > > > > > of 6 or 10 or 12". > > > > > > > > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article "Mars > > > > Dosha- > > > > > A Myth" (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude > that > > > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without > > > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received > by > > > > Mars > > > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha > does > > > > > not suit our modern age. > > > > > > > > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: "Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a > > > > house > > > > > is in fire, we throw water and send." does not agree with > > > > suggestion > > > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with > Mars > > > > > Dosha like adding more > > fire to a house which is already in fire. > > > > > > > > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars > > > > Dosha, > > > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their > > > > whims > > > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed > to > > > > run > > > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is given > > > > which > > > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally it > is > > > > the > > > > > public who suffers. > > > > > > > > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100 > > > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the > > > > Multi- > > > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated > Dosha > > > > in > > > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10% > > only. > > > > > > > > > > 6) In the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP > Principles" by > > > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the > 11 > > > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103 > > > > single > > > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd > rule > > > > > of "Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and > occupying > > > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12" is significant for 47 (46%) single- > marriage > > > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars > > > > Dosha > > > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature. > > > > > > > > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be > helpful for > > > > > KP lovers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Dear L.Y.Rao, Which page of Horary Astrology ? Thanks and regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear Tin Win, >                     Yes it is our late Guruji's statement that I have quoted...you will find mention of it in Horary Astrology and elsewhere also... >                     Definitely,more research is definitely callde for,before " inunciating a 'rule' " ... >                     With best wishes, >                     L.Y.Rao. > > > > > ________________________________ > tw853 <tw853 > > Sunday, 26 October, 2008 6:09:52 PM > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research? > > tw > > @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> wrote: > > > > i agree. > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote: > > Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raichur ji, > >  > > Thanks for the reply and your opinion. > > Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion > that Mars Dosha exists in KP. > > And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article > under consideration the > > authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact > the article deals with > > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot > be written off on the > > analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of > charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > > observed that " to write off " Mars Dosha totally....more research > needs to be done. > >  > > Regards > > Subhash ektare > >  > >  > >  > >  > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir > > please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during > or with a yeat of marriaje > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote: > > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > > > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > I have gone through the Article " Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP > principles " in the file section. In this article the authors have > analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having > one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so > on. > > In the " Analysis Methodology " it is clearly mentioned that: > > Quote > > " When looking at each chart, the program would emit " yes " if a > particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit " no " . The > result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual > interpretation of the results. " > > Unquote. > > From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see > whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. > The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the > natives. > > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows: > > 1.    In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in > 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in > all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as per > one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts may > satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time).  > > 2.    In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%. > > 3.    In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 above) > > 4.    In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68% > > So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as > claimed. > >  > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early > to " totally write off " Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs > to be done….(message # 15390) > >  > > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His > observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there > was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated > Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375). Please note that Mr. > Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha > but only for occurrence of dosha. > >  > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to > the conclusion that " Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or > multi marriage. " This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of > Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > >  > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, > Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please > correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion. > >  > > Subhash Ektare > > > >  > >  > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > Firstly, the book " Punarphoo " is nothing to do with " Mars Dosha " > which > > > is entirely different from Punarphoo. > > > > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that > > > > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by > > > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group) > > > > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons > in KP > > > ) > > > > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the > reason > > > behind it? > > > > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us? > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear tw863, > > > > Pl. read the book " Punarphoo " and then give your > > comments... > > > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars > Dosha,as > > > mentioned by me, " cannot be found in K.P. literature " , should not > be > > > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the > book is > > > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure... > > > > With best wishes, > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: " Mars in own star or in Sun star, and > occupying > > > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12 " in the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa > as > > > > per KP Principles " by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file > section' of > > > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is > > > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA- > > > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%) > out > > > > of the tested > > TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such > > > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate > > > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII... > > > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same > > > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it... > > > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers > > > > had passed similar > > > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book " > > > > Punarphoo " written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam > > > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all > > doubts... > > > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too > > > > early to " totally write off " Mars Dosha...A lot more research > needs > > > > to be done... > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following > > > > reasons: > > > > > > > > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: " To cause difference of opinion, > > > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not > > > > left > > > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect > > > > provided > > > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the > sublord > > > > of > > > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the > sublord is > > > > > deposited > > in a constellation, the lord of which is the > > > > significator > > > > > of 6 or 10 or 12 " . > > > > > > > > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article " Mars > > > > Dosha- > > > > > A Myth " (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude > that > > > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without > > > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received > by > > > > Mars > > > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha > does > > > > > not suit our modern age. > > > > > > > > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: " Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a > > > > house > > > > > is in fire, we throw water and send. " does not agree with > > > > suggestion > > > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with > Mars > > > > > Dosha like adding more > > fire to a house which is already in fire. > > > > > > > > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars > > > > Dosha, > > > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their > > > > whims > > > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed > to > > > > run > > > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is given > > > > which > > > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally it > is > > > > the > > > > > public who suffers. > > > > > > > > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100 > > > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the > > > > Multi- > > > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated > Dosha > > > > in > > > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10% > > only. > > > > > > > > > > 6) In the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP > Principles " by > > > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the > 11 > > > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103 > > > > single > > > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd > rule > > > > > of " Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and > occupying > > > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12 " is significant for 47 (46%) single- > marriage > > > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars > > > > Dosha > > > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature. > > > > > > > > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be > helpful for > > > > > KP lovers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Dear L.Y.Rao, Which page of Horary Astrology? Reader VI is the same of reprinting, nothing change including paging in any addition. Thanks and regards, tw , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear MKR, >                  Pl. peruse Horary Astrology,atleast in the edition I possess it is there... >                  I have restated verbatim, what appeares in the book... >                  L.Y.Rao. > > > > > ________________________________ > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology > > Sunday, 26 October, 2008 9:38:35 PM > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > There is no Rule of Mars Dosha as given by Guruji KSK. > We have to be on our own to deal with it. > > With thanks and warm regards, > > MK (Mohan Kumar.R.) > Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English Tutor > Advanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based) > 219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006 > Cell: 99443-07025 > > > > > ________________________________ > tw853 <tw853 > > @gro ups.com > Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:09:52 PM > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research? > > tw > > @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> wrote: > > > > i agree. > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote: > > Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raichur ji, > >  > > Thanks for the reply and your opinion. > > Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion > that Mars Dosha exists in KP. > > And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article > under consideration the > > authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact > the article deals with > > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot > be written off on the > > analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of > charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > > observed that " to write off " Mars Dosha totally....more research > needs to be done. > >  > > Regards > > Subhash ektare > >  > >  > >  > >  > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir > > please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during > or with a yeat of marriaje > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote: > > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > > > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > I have gone through the Article " Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP > principles " in the file section. In this article the authors have > analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having > one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so > on. > > In the " Analysis Methodology " it is clearly mentioned that: > > Quote > > " When looking at each chart, the program would emit " yes " if a > particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit " no " . The > result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual > interpretation of the results. " > > Unquote. > > From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see > whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. > The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the > natives. > > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows: > > 1.    In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in > 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in > all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as per > one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts may > satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time).  > > 2.    In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%. > > 3.    In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 above) > > 4.    In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68% > > So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as > claimed. > >  > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early > to " totally write off " Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs > to be done….(message # 15390) > >  > > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His > observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there > was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated > Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375).. Please note that Mr. > Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha > but only for occurrence of dosha. > >  > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to > the conclusion that " Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or > multi marriage. " This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of > Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > >  > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, > Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please > correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion. > >  > > Subhash Ektare > > > >  > >  > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > Firstly, the book " Punarphoo " is nothing to do with " Mars Dosha " > which > > > is entirely different from Punarphoo. > > > > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that > > > > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by > > > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group) > > > > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons > in KP > > > ) > > > > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the > reason > > > behind it? > > > > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us? > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear tw863, > > > > Pl. read the book " Punarphoo " and then give your > > comments... > > > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars > Dosha,as > > > mentioned by me, " cannot be found in K.P. literature " , should not > be > > > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the > book is > > > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure... > > > > With best wishes, > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: " Mars in own star or in Sun star, and > occupying > > > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12 " in the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa > as > > > > per KP Principles " by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file > section' of > > > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is > > > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA- > > > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%) > out > > > > of the tested > > TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such > > > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate > > > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII... > > > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same > > > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it... > > > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers > > > > had passed similar > > > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book " > > > > Punarphoo " written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam > > > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all > > doubts... > > > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too > > > > early to " totally write off " Mars Dosha...A lot more research > needs > > > > to be done... > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following > > > > reasons: > > > > > > > > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: " To cause difference of opinion, > > > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not > > > > left > > > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect > > > > provided > > > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the > sublord > > > > of > > > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the > sublord is > > > > > deposited > > in a constellation, the lord of which is the > > > > significator > > > > > of 6 or 10 or 12 " . > > > > > > > > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article " Mars > > > > Dosha- > > > > > A Myth " (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude > that > > > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without > > > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received > by > > > > Mars > > > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha > does > > > > > not suit our modern age. > > > > > > > > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: " Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a > > > > house > > > > > is in fire, we throw water and send. " does not agree with > > > > suggestion > > > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with > Mars > > > > > Dosha like adding more > > fire to a house which is already in fire. > > > > > > > > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars > > > > Dosha, > > > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their > > > > whims > > > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed > to > > > > run > > > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is given > > > > which > > > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally it > is > > > > the > > > > > public who suffers. > > > > > > > > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100 > > > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the > > > > Multi- > > > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated > Dosha > > > > in > > > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10% > > only. > > > > > > > > > > 6) In the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP > Principles " by > > > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the > 11 > > > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103 > > > > single > > > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd > rule > > > > > of " Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and > occupying > > > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12 " is significant for 47 (46%) single- > marriage > > > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars > > > > Dosha > > > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature. > > > > > > > > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be > helpful for > > > > > KP lovers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Dear Friends, 1. That is true thatf Guru ji KSK has not mentioned in his readers about the effects of Mars Dosha. 2. What " He has mentioned what makes a Mars Dosha or how it occurs with respect to Venus, Moon and Ascendant. " in KP Reader IV (in any Edition all the same, just reprinting) under " When is Mars called evil or When does it causes " Dosha? " pp 55-69 up to 4th paragraph saying, " It is ,therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match " (Msg#1317/11144) is the explanation about Mars Dosha in Traditional astrology, which is the exact reprinting of what was written in pp 215-228 of the original Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol. 2, 1966, Sagar Publications. 3. Not to be confused, 3 more paragraphs are added in the same page 69 of KP Reader IV as follows: 1) KP Reader IV page 69: " To cause difference of opinion, disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 " . (Msg#19547) 2) If the same planet is also the significator of 2 or 7 or 11, then it will be only for a short period and again they unite and continue to live together. 3) " If the sublord is either Mars or if it is in the constellation of Mars, and if it is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 , there will be violence and separation. If it is Saturn , silence and remain dumb- sit and strike. Thus we have to pridict. (Msg#10670) 4. KP Reader IV page 68: " If, in the bride's chart, there is Mars Dosha; select such a bride groom who also has more or less similar Mars Dosha " (Msg#14045) (Traditional idea) is not consistent with the following KP principle: 3) KP Reader VI page 319: " Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a house is in fire, we throw water and send. " does not agree with suggestion for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with Mars Dosha like adding more fire to a house which is already in fire. (Msg#14033/19547) 5. There is no guideline or practiacal example in the KP Readers How to predict or what to predict about this Mars Dosha because there is no Mars Dosha in KP as per Guru ji KSK. Thanks and regards, tw , Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <mk_astrology wrote: > > Dear Rao Ji, > Thank you for the kind words. > I meant to say that Guruji has not mentioned in his readers about the effects of Mars Dosha. > He has mentioned what makes a Mars Dosha or how it occurs with respect to Venus, Moon and Ascendant. > How to predict or what to predict about this Mars Dosha is the confusion for which we all are seeking answer. Is there any guideline in KP Readers for this? Please let us know. > Thanks. > With sincere and true respects to all seniors, > MK. > > > > > ________________________________ > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 > > Monday, October 27, 2008 10:25:51 AM > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > Dear MKR, > Pl. peruse Horary Astrology,atleast in the edition I possess it is there.... > I have restated verbatim, what appeares in the book.... > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > ________________________________ > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > > @gro ups.com > Sunday, 26 October, 2008 9:38:35 PM > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > There is no Rule of Mars Dosha as given by Guruji KSK. > We have to be on our own to deal with it.. > > With thanks and warm regards, > > MK (Mohan Kumar.R.) > Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English Tutor > Advanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based) > 219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006 > Cell: 99443-07025 > > > > > ________________________________ > tw853 <tw853 > > @gro ups.com > Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:09:52 PM > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research? > > tw > > @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> wrote: > > > > i agree. > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote: > > Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raichur ji, > > > > Thanks for the reply and your opinion. > > Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion > that Mars Dosha exists in KP. > > And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article > under consideration the > > authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact > the article deals with > > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot > be written off on the > > analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of > charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > > observed that " to write off " Mars Dosha totally....more research > needs to be done. > > > > Regards > > Subhash ektare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir > > please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during > or with a yeat of marriaje > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote: > > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > > > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > I have gone through the Article " Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP > principles " in the file section. In this article the authors have > analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having > one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so > on. > > In the " Analysis Methodology " it is clearly mentioned that: > > Quote > > " When looking at each chart, the program would emit " yes " if a > particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit " no " . The > result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual > interpretation of the results. " > > Unquote. > > From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see > whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. > The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the > natives. > > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows: > > 1. In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in > 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in > all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as per > one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts may > satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time). > > 2. In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%. > > 3. In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 above) > > 4. In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68% > > So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as > claimed. > > > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early > to " totally write off " Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs > to be done….(message # 15390) > > > > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His > observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there > was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated > Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375).. Please note that Mr. > Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha > but only for occurrence of dosha. > > > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to > the conclusion that " Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or > multi marriage. " This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of > Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > > > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, > Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please > correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion. > > > > Subhash Ektare > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > Firstly, the book " Punarphoo " is nothing to do with " Mars Dosha " > which > > > is entirely different from Punarphoo. > > > > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that > > > > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by > > > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group) > > > > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons > in KP > > > ) > > > > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the > reason > > > behind it? > > > > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us? > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear tw863, > > > > Pl. read the book " Punarphoo " and then give your > > comments... > > > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars > Dosha,as > > > mentioned by me, " cannot be found in K.P. literature " , should not > be > > > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the > book is > > > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure... > > > > With best wishes, > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: " Mars in own star or in Sun star, and > occupying > > > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12 " in the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa > as > > > > per KP Principles " by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file > section' of > > > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is > > > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA- > > > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%) > out > > > > of the tested > > TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such > > > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate > > > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII... > > > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same > > > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it... > > > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers > > > > had passed similar > > > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book " > > > > Punarphoo " written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam > > > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all > > doubts... > > > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too > > > > early to " totally write off " Mars Dosha...A lot more research > needs > > > > to be done... > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following > > > > reasons: > > > > > > > > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: " To cause difference of opinion, > > > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not > > > > left > > > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect > > > > provided > > > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the > sublord > > > > of > > > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the > sublord is > > > > > deposited > > in a constellation, the lord of which is the > > > > significator > > > > > of 6 or 10 or 12 " . > > > > > > > > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article " Mars > > > > Dosha- > > > > > A Myth " (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude > that > > > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without > > > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received > by > > > > Mars > > > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha > does > > > > > not suit our modern age. > > > > > > > > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: " Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a > > > > house > > > > > is in fire, we throw water and send. " does not agree with > > > > suggestion > > > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with > Mars > > > > > Dosha like adding more > > fire to a house which is already in fire. > > > > > > > > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars > > > > Dosha, > > > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their > > > > whims > > > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed > to > > > > run > > > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is given > > > > which > > > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally it > is > > > > the > > > > > public who suffers. > > > > > > > > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100 > > > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the > > > > Multi- > > > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated > Dosha > > > > in > > > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10% > > only. > > > > > > > > > > 6) In the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP > Principles " by > > > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the > 11 > > > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103 > > > > single > > > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd > rule > > > > > of " Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and > occupying > > > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12 " is significant for 47 (46%) single- > marriage > > > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars > > > > Dosha > > > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature. > > > > > > > > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be > helpful for > > > > > KP lovers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. 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Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Reasected Sir, I agree to all of your points. There is no controversy. Because there were so many queries and misunderstandings on Mars DOSHA during last few days I wanted to write on Mars Dosha in my posting to evade the fear we have regarding the partcular Dosha. I took the research results of Sri Bosmia took an example and by help of quotations from KP Readers I made an attempt to convay that we sould not be lead by the conventional ways of identifying the Mars Dosha but to read a horoscope following KP principles only. I agree that only Mars does not give evil results but aothe planets also do so when they are posted in such houses. On the other hand Mars also gives beneficial results. So Mars should not be branded always as a malific planet. Thsnking you for your posting. With due regards. Dr. Luther Rath. tw853 <tw853 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:18:51 PM Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP Dear Friends,1. That is true thatf Guru ji KSK has not mentioned in his readers about the effects of Mars Dosha.2. What "He has mentioned what makes a Mars Dosha or how it occurs with respect to Venus, Moon and Ascendant." in KP Reader IV (in any Edition all the same, just reprinting) under "When is Mars called evil or When does it causes "Dosha?" pp 55-69 up to 4th paragraph saying, "It is ,therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match " (Msg#1317/11144) is the explanation about Mars Dosha in Traditional astrology, which is the exact reprinting of what was written in pp 215-228 of the original Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol.. 2, 1966, Sagar Publications.3. Not to be confused, 3 more paragraphs are added in the same page 69 of KP Reader IV as follows:1) KP Reader IV page 69: "To cause difference of opinion, disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord isdeposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12". (Msg#19547)2) If the same planet is also the significator of 2 or 7 or 11, then it will be only for a short period and again they unite and continue to live together.3) " If the sublord is either Mars or if it is in the constellation of Mars, and if it is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 , there will be violence and separation. If it is Saturn , silence and remain dumb-sit and strike. Thus we have to pridict. (Msg#10670)4. KP Reader IV page 68: " If, in the bride's chart, there is Mars Dosha; select such a bride groom who also has more or less similar Mars Dosha " (Msg#14045) (Traditional idea) is not consistent with the following KP principle:3) KP Reader VI page 319: "Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a house is in fire, we throw water and send." does not agree with suggestion for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with Mars Dosha like adding more fire to a house which is already in fire. (Msg#14033/19547)5. There is no guideline or practiacal example in the KP Readers How to predict or what to predict about this Mars Dosha because there is no Mars Dosha in KP as per Guru ji KSK.Thanks and regards,tw@gro ups.com, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <mk_astrology@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Rao Ji, > Thank you for the kind words.> I meant to say that Guruji has not mentioned in his readers about the effects of Mars Dosha. > He has mentioned what makes a Mars Dosha or how it occurs with respect to Venus, Moon and Ascendant.> How to predict or what to predict about this Mars Dosha is the confusion for which we all are seeking answer. Is there any guideline in KP Readers for this? Please let us know.> Thanks.> With sincere and true respects to all seniors,> MK.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ..>> @gro ups.com> Monday, October 27, 2008 10:25:51 AM> Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> > > Dear MKR,> Pl. peruse Horary Astrology,atleast in the edition I possess it is there....> I have restated verbatim, what appeares in the book....> L.Y.Rao.> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ >> @gro ups.com> Sunday, 26 October, 2008 9:38:35 PM> Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> > > There is no Rule of Mars Dosha as given by Guruji KSK.> We have to be on our own to deal with it..> > With thanks and warm regards,> > MK (Mohan Kumar.R.)> Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English Tutor> Advanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based)> 219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006> Cell: 99443-07025 > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> tw853 <tw853 >> @gro ups.com> Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:09:52 PM> Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> > > Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research?> > tw> > @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> wrote:> >> > i agree. > > > > raichur anant mumbai> > > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote:> > Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...>> > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> > @gro ups.com> > Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raichur ji,> > > > Thanks for the reply and your opinion.> > Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion > that Mars Dosha exists in KP.> > And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article > under consideration the> > authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact > the article deals with > > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot > be written off on the> > analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of > charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > > observed that "to write off" Mars Dosha totally....more research > needs to be done.> > > > Regards> > Subhash ektare> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..>> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM> > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir> > please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during > or with a yeat of marriaje> > > > > > raichur anant mumbai> > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote:> > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ >> > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP> > @gro ups.com> > Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Members,> > I have gone through the Article "Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP > principles" in the file section. In this article the authors have > analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having > one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so > on. > > In the "Analysis Methodology" it is clearly mentioned that: > > Quote > > "When looking at each chart, the program would emit "yes" if a > particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit "no". The > result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual > interpretation of the results." > > Unquote.> > From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see > whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. > The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the > natives. > > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows:> > 1. In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in > 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in > all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as per > one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts may > satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time). > > 2. In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%.> > 3. In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 above)> > 4. In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68%> > So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as > claimed. > > > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early > to "totally write off" Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs > to be done….(message # 15390)> > > > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His > observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there > was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated > Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375).. Please note that Mr. > Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha > but only for occurrence of dosha. > > > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to > the conclusion that "Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or > multi marriage." This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of > Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > > > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, > Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please > correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion.> > > > Subhash Ektare> > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao,> > > > > > Firstly, the book "Punarphoo" is nothing to do with "Mars Dosha" > which> > > is entirely different from Punarphoo.> > > > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that> > > > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by> > > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group)> > > > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons > in KP> > > )> > > > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the > reason> > > behind it?> > > > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us?> > > > > > Thanks and regards,> > > > > > tw> > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear tw863,> > > > Pl. read the book "Punarphoo" and then give your> > comments...> > > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars > Dosha,as> > > mentioned by me,"cannot be found in K.P. literature", should not > be> > > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the > book is> > > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure...> > > > With best wishes,> > > > L.Y.Rao.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: "Mars in own star or in Sun star, and > occupying> > > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12" in the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa > as> > > > per KP Principles" by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file > section' of> > > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is> > > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA-> > > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%)> out> > > > of the tested> > TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such> > > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > >> > > > tw> > > >> > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear tw853,> > > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate> > > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying> > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII...> > > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same> > > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it...> > > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers> > > > had passed similar> > > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book "> > > > Punarphoo" written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam> > > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all> > doubts...> > > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too> > > > early to "totally write off" Mars Dosha...A lot more research > needs> > > > to be done...> > > > > With best wishes,> > > > > L.Y.Rao.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > >> > > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following> > > > reasons:> > > > >> > > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: "To cause difference of opinion,> > > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not> > > > left> > > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect> > > > provided> > > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the > sublord> > > > of> > > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the > sublord is> > > > > deposited> > in a constellation, the lord of which is the> > > > significator> > > > > of 6 or 10 or 12".> > > > >> > > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article "Mars> > > > Dosha-> > > > > A Myth" (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude > that> > > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without> > > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received > by> > > > Mars> > > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha > does> > > > > not suit our modern age.> > > > >> > > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: "Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a> > > > house> > > > > is in fire, we throw water and send." does not agree with> > > > suggestion> > > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with > Mars> > > > > Dosha like adding more> > fire to a house which is already in fire.> > > > >> > > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars> > > > Dosha,> > > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their> > > > whims> > > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed > to> > > > run> > > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is given> > > > which> > > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally it > is> > > > the> > > > > public who suffers.> > > > >> > > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100> > > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the> > > > Multi-> > > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated > Dosha> > > > in> > > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10%> > only.> > > > >> > > > > 6) In the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP > Principles" by> > > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the > 11> > > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103> > > > single> > > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd > rule> > > > > of "Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and > occupying> > > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12" is significant for 47 (46%) single-> marriage> > > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars> > > > Dosha> > > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage.> > > > >> > > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature.> > > > >> > > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be > helpful for> > > > > KP lovers.> > > > >> > > >> > > Regards,> > > > >> > > > > tw> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click > here.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > > Find a mall, hotel or ATM in any part of India. > > > >> > >> >> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! 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Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 Dear TW Ji,Excellent job of observation of KP Readers by you. I bow to your knowledge and expertise.With regards, MKtw853 <tw853 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:18:51 PM Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP Dear Friends, 1. That is true thatf Guru ji KSK has not mentioned in his readers about the effects of Mars Dosha. 2. What "He has mentioned what makes a Mars Dosha or how it occurs with respect to Venus, Moon and Ascendant." in KP Reader IV (in any Edition all the same, just reprinting) under "When is Mars called evil or When does it causes "Dosha?" pp 55-69 up to 4th paragraph saying, "It is ,therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and advise on the correct match " (Msg#1317/11144) is the explanation about Mars Dosha in Traditional astrology, which is the exact reprinting of what was written in pp 215-228 of the original Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol. 2, 1966, Sagar Publications. 3. Not to be confused, 3 more paragraphs are added in the same page 69 of KP Reader IV as follows: 1) KP Reader IV page 69: "To cause difference of opinion, disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12". (Msg#19547) 2) If the same planet is also the significator of 2 or 7 or 11, then it will be only for a short period and again they unite and continue to live together. 3) " If the sublord is either Mars or if it is in the constellation of Mars, and if it is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 , there will be violence and separation. If it is Saturn , silence and remain dumb- sit and strike. Thus we have to pridict. (Msg#10670) 4. KP Reader IV page 68: " If, in the bride's chart, there is Mars Dosha; select such a bride groom who also has more or less similar Mars Dosha " (Msg#14045) (Traditional idea) is not consistent with the following KP principle: 3) KP Reader VI page 319: "Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a house is in fire, we throw water and send." does not agree with suggestion for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with Mars Dosha like adding more fire to a house which is already in fire. (Msg#14033/19547) 5. There is no guideline or practiacal example in the KP Readers How to predict or what to predict about this Mars Dosha because there is no Mars Dosha in KP as per Guru ji KSK. Thanks and regards, tw @gro ups.com, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <mk_astrology@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Rao Ji, > Thank you for the kind words. > I meant to say that Guruji has not mentioned in his readers about the effects of Mars Dosha. > He has mentioned what makes a Mars Dosha or how it occurs with respect to Venus, Moon and Ascendant. > How to predict or what to predict about this Mars Dosha is the confusion for which we all are seeking answer. Is there any guideline in KP Readers for this? Please let us know. > Thanks. > With sincere and true respects to all seniors, > MK. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@. ...> > @gro ups.com > Monday, October 27, 2008 10:25:51 AM > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > Dear MKR, > Pl. peruse Horary Astrology,atleast in the edition I possess it is there.... > I have restated verbatim, what appeares in the book.... > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > > @gro ups.com > Sunday, 26 October, 2008 9:38:35 PM > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > There is no Rule of Mars Dosha as given by Guruji KSK. > We have to be on our own to deal with it.. > > With thanks and warm regards, > > MK (Mohan Kumar.R.) > Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English Tutor > Advanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based) > 219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006 > Cell: 99443-07025 > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > tw853 <tw853 > > @gro ups.com > Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:09:52 PM > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research? > > tw > > @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> wrote: > > > > i agree. > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote: > > Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raichur ji, > > > > Thanks for the reply and your opinion. > > Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion > that Mars Dosha exists in KP. > > And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article > under consideration the > > authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact > the article deals with > > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha cannot > be written off on the > > analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of > charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > > observed that "to write off" Mars Dosha totally....more research > needs to be done. > > > > Regards > > Subhash ektare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir > > please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion before/during > or with a yeat of marriaje > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote: > > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > > > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > @gro ups.com > > Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > I have gone through the Article "Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP > principles" in the file section. In this article the authors have > analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 having > one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and so > on. > > In the "Analysis Methodology" it is clearly mentioned that: > > Quote > > "When looking at each chart, the program would emit "yes" if a > particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit "no". The > result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual > interpretation of the results." > > Unquote. > > From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see > whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or not. > The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on the > natives.. > > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as follows: > > 1. In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in > 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus in > all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as per > one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts may > satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one time). > > 2. In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%. > > 3. In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 above) > > 4. In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall > percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68% > > So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as > claimed. > > > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early > to "totally write off" Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research needs > to be done….(message # 15390) > > > > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His > observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts there > was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated > Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375).. Please note that Mr. > Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha > but only for occurrence of dosha. > > > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to > the conclusion that "Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or > multi marriage." This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of > Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > > > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, > Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please > correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion. > > > > Subhash Ektare > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, "tw853" <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > Firstly, the book "Punarphoo" is nothing to do with "Mars Dosha" > which > > > is entirely different from Punarphoo. > > > > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that > > > > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by > > > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group) > > > > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New Horizons > in KP > > > ) > > > > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the > reason > > > behind it? > > > > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us? > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > tw > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear tw863, > > > > Pl. read the book "Punarphoo" and then give your > > comments... > > > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars > Dosha,as > > > mentioned by me,"cannot be found in K.P. literature", should not > be > > > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the > book is > > > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure... > > > > With best wishes, > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: "Mars in own star or in Sun star, and > occupying > > > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12" in the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa > as > > > > per KP Principles" by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file > section' of > > > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is > > > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB AA- > > > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts (15.94%) > out > > > > of the tested > > TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such > > > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate > > > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is occupying > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII... > > > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same > > > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it... > > > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers > > > > had passed similar > > > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book " > > > > Punarphoo" written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam > > > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all > > doubts... > > > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too > > > > early to "totally write off" Mars Dosha....A lot more research > needs > > > > to be done.... > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following > > > > reasons: > > > > > > > > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: "To cause difference of opinion, > > > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not > > > > left > > > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect > > > > provided > > > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the > sublord > > > > of > > > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the > sublord is > > > > > deposited > > in a constellation, the lord of which is the > > > > significator > > > > > of 6 or 10 or 12". > > > > > > > > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his article "Mars > > > > Dosha- > > > > > A Myth" (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to conclude > that > > > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless without > > > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects received > by > > > > Mars > > > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars Dosha > does > > > > > not suit our modern age. > > > > > > > > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: "Prof. Krishnamurti says that when a > > > > house > > > > > is in fire, we throw water and send." does not agree with > > > > suggestion > > > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with > Mars > > > > > Dosha like adding more > > fire to a house which is already in fire. > > > > > > > > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars > > > > Dosha, > > > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to their > > > > whims > > > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public pushed > to > > > > run > > > > > from pillar to post......In several ways a prediction is given > > > > which > > > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally it > is > > > > the > > > > > public who suffers. > > > > > > > > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated 100 > > > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for the > > > > Multi- > > > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated > Dosha > > > > in > > > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10% > > only. > > > > > > > > > > 6) In the study on "Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP > Principles" by > > > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, the > 11 > > > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated 103 > > > > single > > > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd > rule > > > > > of "Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and > occupying > > > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12" is significant for 47 (46%) single- > marriage > > > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating Mars > > > > Dosha > > > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature. > > > > > > > > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be > helpful for > > > > > KP lovers. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. 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Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 & #65007;Dear Dr. Luther Rath, Thank you for your explanation to follow the KP principles only, not Mars Dosha on Traditional or one's own way. Thanks and regards, tw , Luther Rath <rathluther wrote: > > Reasected Sir, > I agree to all of your points. There is no controversy. > Because there were so many queries and misunderstandings on Mars DOSHA during last few days I wanted to write on Mars Dosha in my posting to evade the fear we have regarding the partcular Dosha. I took the research results of Sri Bosmia took an example and by help of quotations from KP Readers I made an attempt to convay that we sould not be lead by the conventional ways of identifying the Mars Dosha but to read a horoscope following KP principles only. I agree that only Mars does not give evil results but aothe planets also do so when they are posted in such houses. On the other hand Mars also gives beneficial results. So Mars should not be branded always as a malific planet. > Thsnking you for your posting. > With due regards. > Dr. Luther Rath. > > > > > ________________________________ > tw853 <tw853 > > Wednesday, October 29, 2008 9:18:51 PM > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > Dear Friends, > > 1. That is true thatf Guru ji KSK has not mentioned in his readers > about the effects of Mars Dosha. > > 2. What " He has mentioned what makes a Mars Dosha or how it occurs > with respect to Venus, Moon and Ascendant. " in KP Reader IV (in any > Edition all the same, just reprinting) under " When is Mars called > evil or When does it causes " Dosha? " pp 55-69 up to 4th paragraph > saying, > > " It is ,therefore, necessary that Astrologers should carefully weigh > and consider the various points of Mars Dosha in the given charts and > advise on the correct match " (Msg#1317/11144) > > is the explanation about Mars Dosha in Traditional astrology, which > is the exact reprinting of what was written in pp 215-228 of the > original Krishnamurti Padhdhati Vol. 2, 1966, Sagar Publications. > > 3. Not to be confused, 3 more paragraphs are added in the same page > 69 of KP Reader IV as follows: > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: " To cause difference of opinion, > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is not left > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect provided > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the sublord of > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the sublord is > deposited in a constellation, the lord of which is the significator > of 6 or 10 or 12 " . (Msg#19547) > > 2) If the same planet is also the significator of 2 or 7 or 11, then > it will be only for a short period and again they unite and continue > to live together. > > 3) " If the sublord is either Mars or if it is in the constellation > of Mars, and if it is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 , there will > be violence and separation. If it is Saturn , silence and remain dumb- > sit and strike. Thus we have to pridict. (Msg#10670) > > 4. KP Reader IV page 68: " If, in the bride's chart, there is Mars > Dosha; select such a bride groom who also has more or less similar > Mars Dosha " (Msg#14045) (Traditional idea) is not consistent with > the following KP principle: > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: " Prof.. Krishnamurti says that when a house > is in fire, we throw water and send. " does not agree with suggestion > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with Mars > Dosha like adding more fire to a house which is already in fire. > (Msg#14033/19547) > > 5. There is no guideline or practiacal example in the KP Readers How > to predict or what to predict about this Mars Dosha because there is > no Mars Dosha in KP as per Guru ji KSK. > > Thanks and regards, > > tw > > @gro ups.com, Mohan Kumar Ragunathan > <mk_astrology@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Rao Ji, > > Thank you for the kind words. > > I meant to say that Guruji has not mentioned in his readers about > the effects of Mars Dosha. > > He has mentioned what makes a Mars Dosha or how it occurs with > respect to Venus, Moon and Ascendant. > > How to predict or what to predict about this Mars Dosha is the > confusion for which we all are seeking answer. Is there any guideline > in KP Readers for this? Please let us know. > > Thanks. > > With sincere and true respects to all seniors, > > MK. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1@ ..> > > @gro ups.com > > Monday, October 27, 2008 10:25:51 AM > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > > > > Dear MKR, > > Pl. peruse Horary Astrology,atleast in the > edition I possess it is there.... > > I have restated verbatim, what appeares in the > book.... > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Mohan Kumar Ragunathan <kpmk_astrology@ > > > @gro ups.com > > Sunday, 26 October, 2008 9:38:35 PM > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > > > > There is no Rule of Mars Dosha as given by Guruji KSK. > > We have to be on our own to deal with it.. > > > > With thanks and warm regards, > > > > MK (Mohan Kumar.R.) > > Scientific Astrologer & Spoken English Tutor > > Advanced Stellar Astrology Research Academy (KP based) > > 219/84, Moongapadi St.,Gugai, SALEM - 636 006 > > Cell: 99443-07025 > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > tw853 <tw853 > > > @gro ups.com > > Sunday, October 26, 2008 6:09:52 PM > > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > > > > Is there any Guruji KSK's rule of Mars Dosha to do more research? > > > > tw > > > > @gro ups.com, Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> > wrote: > > > > > > i agree. > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > > > --- On Sat, 10/25/08, Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> wrote: > > > Subhash Ektare <subhash_ektare@ ...> > > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > @gro ups.com > > > Saturday, October 25, 2008, 3:46 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Raichur ji, > > > > > > Thanks for the reply and your opinion. > > > Sir, I agree with you totally. This means you are also of opinion > > that Mars Dosha exists in KP. > > > And it has some effects as enumerated by you. But in the article > > under consideration the > > > authers have concluded that there is no mars dosha in KP. In fact > > the article deals with > > > occurance of Mars Dosha only and not its effects. Mars dosha > cannot > > be written off on the > > > analysis based on its occurance or existance in any number of > > charts.That is why Mr. LYR Lajmi ji > > > observed that " to write off " Mars Dosha totally....more research > > needs to be done. > > > > > > Regards > > > Subhash ektare > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raichur-a-r <raichurar@ ..> > > > @gro ups.com > > > Friday, October 24, 2008 6:13:05 AM > > > Re: Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear sir > > > please remember thtt a Marsa Dosa creates 'obstruion > before/during > > or with a yeat of marriaje > > > > > > > > > raichur anant mumbai > > > > > > --- On Fri, 10/24/08, Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > wrote: > > > > > > Subhash <subhash_ektare@ > > > > Re: NO MARS DOSHA IN KP > > > @gro ups.com > > > Friday, October 24, 2008, 5:02 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > I have gone through the Article " Analysis of Mars Dosha as per KP > > principles " in the file section. In this article the authors have > > analyzed 172 charts in all. Out of these charts there are 103 > having > > one marriage, 26 having 2 marriages and 23 having 4 marriages and > so > > on. > > > In the " Analysis Methodology " it is clearly mentioned that: > > > Quote > > > " When looking at each chart, the program would emit " yes " if a > > particular rule was satisfied on the chart, or would emit " no " . The > > result was then loaded into Miscosoft Excel ™ program for a manual > > interpretation of the results. " > > > Unquote. > > > From this it is very clear that these charts were analyzed to see > > whether Mars Dosha Rules listed in the Article are satisfied or > not. > > The analysis, in no way, deals with the effects of Mars Dosha on > the > > natives. > > > My interpretation of the analysis in the said Article is as > follows: > > > 1. In case of 103 single marriage charts, R1 is satisfied in > > 14.56%, R2 is satisfied in 45.63%, R4 in 1.94% etc and so on. Thus > in > > all (adding all percentages) in 86.4% charts Mars Dosha exists as > per > > one rule or other. (This % may be little less because some charts > may > > satisfy more than one rule and may get counted more than one > time). > > > 2. In case of 26 charts having two marriages, the overall > > percentage of Mars Dosh is 65.4%. > > > 3. In case of 23 charts having 4 marriages, the overall > > percentage of Mars Dosha is 117.4% (Please refer note in para 1 > above) > > > 4. In case of 15 charts having 5 marriages this overall > > percentage of Mars Dosha is 86.68% > > > So about 86% of charts are having Mars Dosha and not 14% or so as > > claimed. > > > > > > I totally agree with Mr. L Y R Lajmi ji that it is too early > > to " totally write off " Mars Dosha from KP. A lot more research > needs > > to be done….(message # 15390) > > > > > > Mr. A. R. Raichur has also studied 100 foreign born charts. His > > observation was in 52 charts there was Mars Dosha, in 38 charts > there > > was mitigated Dosha and in 10 charts only there was unmitigated > > Dosha. (Refer Point 5 of Message # 15375).. Please note that Mr. > > Raichur also had not analyzed the charts for effects of Mars Dosha > > but only for occurrence of dosha. > > > > > > Further referring to message # 15375, point 6, I do not agree to > > the conclusion that " Mars Dosha has nothing to do with single or > > multi marriage. " This is because analysis deals with Occurrence of > > Mars Dosha and does not deal with the Effects of Mars Dosha. > > > > > > I will request respected Mr. A.R. Raichur ji, LYR Lajmi ji, > > Gondhalekar ji and Tin Win ji and other learned members to please > > correct me if I am wrong with their valued opinion. > > > > > > Subhash Ektare > > > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear L.Y.Rao, > > > > > > > > Firstly, the book " Punarphoo " is nothing to do with " Mars > Dosha " > > which > > > > is entirely different from Punarphoo. > > > > > > > > Secondly, already said in Msg#20423 that > > > > > > > > 1. This rule is not taught by Guruji KSK but written by by > > > > T.R.RAGHUNATH- MADRAS-44. (Pl refer Msg#10694 of this group) > > > > > > > > (in page 240, Astrosecretc & KP Part II, 2003, under New > Horizons > > in KP > > > > ) > > > > > > > > Now the real question is why author considers SUN? What is the > > reason > > > > behind it? > > > > > > > > Do you know? Could you kindly expalin us? > > > > > > > > Thanks and regards, > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi lyrastro1@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear tw863, > > > > > Pl. read the book " Punarphoo " and then give your > > > comments... > > > > > Also,making such sweeping statements that details of Mars > > Dosha,as > > > > mentioned by me, " cannot be found in K.P. literature " , should > not > > be > > > > made,because if the reference page number and the name of the > > book is > > > > given,TW you'll cut a sorry figure... > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha Rule 1: " Mars in own star or in Sun star, and > > occupying > > > > > any of 1,2,4,7,8 or 12 " in the study on " Analysis of Mars > Dosa > > as > > > > > per KP Principles " by Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file > > section' of > > > > > this Group 'cannot be found' in the KP literature, and it is > > > > > significant for only 15 charts (14.56%)out of the tested TOB > AA- > > > > > rated 103 single marriage charts and for only 11 charts > (15.94%) > > out > > > > > of the tested > > > TOB AA-rated 69 multi-marriage charts, indicating such > > > > > Mars Dosha has 'nothing to do' with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > @gro ups.com, Yogesh Rao Lajmi > lyrastro1@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear tw853, > > > > > > Mars Dosha,as per K.P., is seen to operate > > > > > when, Mars occupies Sun's star,or his own star,and is > occupying > > > > > houses I,II,IV,VII, VIII & XII... > > > > > > Earlier also,I had voiced this same > > > > > opinion...when Raichur and Kanak had written about it... > > > > > > If you remember,in the past,many astrologers > > > > > had passed similar > > > > > > opinions about Punarphoo Yoga...but eventually, a book " > > > > > Punarphoo " written by Shri Vaikari Ramamurthi & K.Subramaniam > > > > > appeared on the scene to dismiss all > > > doubts... > > > > > > In my humble opinion therefore,isn' t it too > > > > > early to " totally write off " Mars Dosha...A lot more research > > needs > > > > > to be done... > > > > > > With best wishes, > > > > > > L.Y.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > tw853 tw853@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars Dosha is not valid in KP on the basis of the following > > > > > reasons: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) KP Reader IV page 69: " To cause difference of opinion, > > > > > > disagreement, dispute, divorce etc. among the couple it is > not > > > > > left > > > > > > to Mars alone, any planet can cause such undesirable effect > > > > > provided > > > > > > they happen to be deposited in such a position, that the > > sublord > > > > > of > > > > > > the planet is the significator of 6 or 10 or 12 or the > > sublord is > > > > > > deposited > > > in a constellation, the lord of which is the > > > > > significator > > > > > > of 6 or 10 or 12 " . > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) N. Sarangan quoted the above statement in his > article " Mars > > > > > Dosha- > > > > > > A Myth " (KP & Astrology Year Book 2002, page 48) to > conclude > > that > > > > > > the traditional ideas about Mars Dosha are meaningless > without > > > > > > taking into consideration of the beneficial aspects > received > > by > > > > > Mars > > > > > > from other planets, its stellar position etc, and Mars > Dosha > > does > > > > > > not suit our modern age. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) KP Reader VI page 319: " Prof. Krishnamurti says that > when a > > > > > house > > > > > > is in fire, we throw water and send. " does not agree with > > > > > suggestion > > > > > > for a native with Mars Dosha to marry with another one with > > Mars > > > > > > Dosha like adding more > > > fire to a house which is already in fire. > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1 (Sri Shanmugam}: Regarding Mars > > > > > Dosha, > > > > > > naturally, each one will have their own say according to > their > > > > > whims > > > > > > and fancies, and due to this it is the general public > pushed > > to > > > > > run > > > > > > from pillar to post.....In several ways a prediction is > given > > > > > which > > > > > > has neither clarity nor a systematic approach etc. Finally > it > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > public who suffers. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) Shri Raichur has found in a study on the TOB AA- rated > 100 > > > > > > foreign born charts of multi-marriages Kanak had used for > the > > > > > Multi- > > > > > > marriage study that no Marsl Dosha in 52 charts, mitigated > > Dosha > > > > > in > > > > > > 38 charts and unmitigated Dosha in 10 charts, ie.10% > > > only. > > > > > > > > > > > > 6) In the study on " Analysis of Mars Dosa as per KP > > Principles " by > > > > > > Kanak and Rangarajan in the `file section' of this Group, > the > > 11 > > > > > > rules of Mars Dosha have been tested for the TOB AA-rated > 103 > > > > > single > > > > > > marriage charts and 69 multi-marriage charts. Only the 2nd > > rule > > > > > > of " Any planet deposited in the star or sub of Mars, and > > occupying > > > > > > 1, 2, 4, 7, 8 or 12 " is significant for 47 (46%) single- > > marriage > > > > > > charts and for 34 (49%) multi-marriage charts, indicating > Mars > > > > > Dosha > > > > > > has nothing to do with single or multi marriage. > > > > > > > > > > > > 7) No other attention has been given in the KP literature. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any `particular' experience of learned members will be > > helpful for > > > > > > KP lovers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > tw > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --- > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. 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