Kemdrum Yoga

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" bina.vyas " <bina.vyas

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, June 08, 2007 7:23 PM

kemdrum yoga

In natal chart too much of importance is given to kemdrum yoga,in my

small time of studying astrology i have come across many charts with

kemdrum yoga & all of them had good job & equally good amount of

money.Can some one tell me why?

June 8, 2007

PS: No doubt one can succeed in certain areas i.e. work/career, financially

and so forth and still feel emotionally isolated and lonely. Even very

successful, wealthy and indeed brilliant people can suffer from feelings of

emotional isolation...

One needs to look at the whole chart to get the whole story.

____

Dear bina.vyas (?),

This yoga can be greatly neutralised in various ways i.e. Moon in kendra or

trikona, in conjunction with another planet, aspected by Jupiter etc.. One

also needs to consider the placement and strength of Moon's dispositor as

well as Moon's nakshatra lord. There are, as always, many things to consider

before declaring the results of any yoga.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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" bina.vyas " <bina.vyas

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, June 08, 2007 7:23 PM

kemdrum yoga

In natal chart too much of importance is given to kemdrum yoga,in my

small time of studying astrology i have come across many charts with

kemdrum yoga & all of them had good job & equally good amount of

money.Can some one tell me why?

June 8, 2007

Dear Members,

As a matter of interest here is the chart of a native with kemadruma yoga...

Rudyard Kipling

30 Dec 1865 (16:53)

Bombay, India

Moon dasa was running at the time of his birth and most certainly there was

a portion of his childhood when he was desperately lonely and unhappy,

separated from his mother etc.. However, kemadruma yoga did not prevent him

from becoming one of the world's greatest writers. He received the Nobel

Prize for literature in 1907.

I draw attention to 2nd lord Moon exalted in 12th (suffering kemadruma

yoga). Second house, as we know, shows our creative imagination...and what a

wonderful imagination he had! As for the great success of his literary

works, note 9th lord Saturn's exaltation in 5th...

For those interested in pursuing this thread, here is a brief biography of

Kipling. http://www.kipling.org.uk/kip_fra.htm

The great mistake of many astrologers today is that they judge a chart

entirely on specific yogas whereas these (yogas) only form part of the

story...the whole horoscope must be interpreted.

PS: I'll be away from the computer until Monday. (weekends are a time for my

family)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, June 08, 2007 10:54 PM

Re: kemdrum yoga

PS: No doubt one can succeed in certain areas i.e. work/career, financially

and so forth and still feel emotionally isolated and lonely. Even very

successful, wealthy and indeed brilliant people can suffer from feelings of

emotional isolation...

One needs to look at the whole chart to get the whole story.

____

Dear bina.vyas (?),

This yoga can be greatly neutralised in various ways i.e. Moon in kendra or

trikona, in conjunction with another planet, aspected by Jupiter etc.. One

also needs to consider the placement and strength of Moon's dispositor as

well as Moon's nakshatra lord. There are, as always, many things to consider

before declaring the results of any yoga.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

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" bina.vyas " <bina.vyas

<jyotish-vidya >

Friday, June 08, 2007 7:23 PM

kemdrum yoga

In natal chart too much of importance is given to kemdrum yoga,in my

small time of studying astrology i have come across many charts with

kemdrum yoga & all of them had good job & equally good amount of

money.Can some one tell me why?

June 10, 2007

Dear Wendy, & all members,

Thank you very much for basic answer. My doubt is still not clarified.

Top class businesspeople, media persons,swamis,gurus, & many more

persons are many times found emotionally isolated and lonely.They can

also suffer from feelings of emotional isolation. I am sure some of

above mentioned persons must be having kemdrum yoga. I want to know

that does kemdrum yoga affects success of a person?

Bina Vyas

-- In jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish wrote:

>

> PS: No doubt one can succeed in certain areas i.e. work/career,

financially

> and so forth and still feel emotionally isolated and lonely. Even very

> successful, wealthy and indeed brilliant people can suffer from

feelings of

> emotional isolation...

>

> One needs to look at the whole chart to get the whole story.

> ____

>

> Dear bina.vyas (?),

>

> This yoga can be greatly neutralised in various ways i.e. Moon in

kendra or

> trikona, in conjunction with another planet, aspected by Jupiter

etc.. One

> also needs to consider the placement and strength of Moon's

dispositor as

> well as Moon's nakshatra lord. There are, as always, many things to

consider

> before declaring the results of any yoga.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " bina.vyas " <bina.vyas

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Friday, June 08, 2007 7:23 PM

> kemdrum yoga

>

> In natal chart too much of importance is given to kemdrum yoga,in my

> small time of studying astrology i have come across many charts with

> kemdrum yoga & all of them had good job & equally good amount of

> money.Can some one tell me why?

>

June 10, 2007

Dear Members,

NB: Kipling had no major planets in kendra from MOON, nor any major

aspects/conjunctions; which, according to Saravali (see below) constitutes

Kemadruma...

Saravali Ch.13

**2. KEMADRUMA YOGA. Kemadruma Yoga is formed, if at least one of the said

three Yogas (viz. Sunapha, Anapha and Durudhura Yogas) is not present, or,

if the MOON'S ANGLES are devoid of planets, or, if she is unaspected by all

the planets. Such Yoga causes extreme difficulties.**

However, according to Parashara (see below), planets in Kendra from LAGNA

cancel Kemadruma.

BPHS: http://jyotishvidya.com/ch37.htm

**11-13. KEMADRUMA YOGA:

Excluding the Sun, should there be no planet with the Moon or in the

2nd/12th from the Moon or in an ANGLE FROM THE ASCENDANT, Kemadruma yoga is

formed. One born in Kemadruma yoga will be very much reproached, be bereft

of intelligence and learning, and reduced to penury and perils.**

Kipling, of course, has five planets in 7th house (from Lagna). Once again

we see glaring difference in these treatises. The question begs to be asked

how much can be contributed to wrong translation/interpretation??

As with the controversy regarding the Nodes, there are many opinions as to

what constitutes Kemadruma. Some say that planets in kendra from (either)

Lagna OR Moon nullify this yoga, which would make it rare.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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" Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish

<jyotish-vidya >

Saturday, June 09, 2007 10:57 AM

Re: kemdrum yoga

Dear Members,

As a matter of interest here is the chart of a native with kemadruma yoga...

Rudyard Kipling

30 Dec 1865 (16:53)

Bombay, India

Moon dasa was running at the time of his birth and most certainly there was

a portion of his childhood when he was desperately lonely and unhappy,

separated from his mother etc.. However, kemadruma yoga did not prevent him

from becoming one of the world's greatest writers. He received the Nobel

Prize for literature in 1907.

I draw attention to 2nd lord Moon exalted in 12th (suffering kemadruma

yoga). Second house, as we know, shows our creative imagination...and what a

wonderful imagination he had! As for the great success of his literary

works, note 9th lord Saturn's exaltation in 5th...

For those interested in pursuing this thread, here is a brief biography of

Kipling. http://www.kipling.org.uk/kip_fra.htm

The great mistake of many astrologers today is that they judge a chart

entirely on specific yogas whereas these (yogas) only form part of the

story...the whole horoscope must be interpreted.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudyard_Kipling)

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June 10, 2007

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

I am of the view that the rules mentioned in the classics are to be

applied liberally not literally. We should understand the importance

given to the kendras in classics while considering the yogas. Be it

Kemadruma or be it Gaja Kesari. That is the important thing. The

importance given by classics is mainly to kendras. Results are

attributed to the yogas to emphasize this idea accordingly. Any yoga

is a single unit and a part which makes the chart under consideration

complete but not the whole of it.

See the chart under consideration. Rudyard was known to be

conservative and having old ideas. Why? Saturn is the answer.

Consider Saturn either from Lagna or from Moon. He rules the 9th

house and he influences five planets. That is the simple answer why

he possessed those traditional ideas. Rudyard enjoyed those planets

dasha starting from Moon.

When you consider the planets in 7th house from Lagna, there are

number of other yogas getting formed and those conjunctions are

blessed by the 9th Lord.

Simply because an adverse yoga is available in a chart and certain

results are attributed to that particular yoga does not mean an

astrologer should pronounce the results. One should see what other

yogas are formed in the chart.

The yogas are certainly subservient to dashas with certain

exceptions. He enjoyed the dasha of Moon in his early part of life.

So far as his separation from his birth place and mother and his

being unhappy at that time can be very well be justified if one see

the D-4 taking the dahsa under consideration.

Swamy.

June 10, 2007

Dear Bina Vyas,

As I (and others) have tried to explain, it's a mistake to judge the entire

horoscope based on just one particular yoga... You need to read the whole

horoscope to get the whole story.

If you'd picked up the example chart (Rudyard Kipling) I gave, and tried to

interpret the whole chart, you might have understood this a little better.

No one can give you the understanding that comes from studying horoscopes.

One thing Kiplings horoscope tells me, in relation to KALPADRUMA YOGA, is

that Parashara's dictum (planets in kendra from lagna) seems to be correct.

KALPADRUMA YOGA:

Whilst conditions of kemadruma exist, there are planets in a kendra from

Lagna. This yoga cancels kemadruma and bestows all comforts on the native.

According to this biographical report on Wikipedia

**Kipling's days of " strong light and darkness " in Bombay were to end when

he was six years old. As was the custom in British India, he and his

three-year-old sister, Alice ( " Trix " ), were taken to England-in their case

to Southsea (Portsmouth), to be cared for by a couple that took in children

of British nationals living in India. The two children would live with the

couple, Captain and Mrs. Holloway, at their house, Lorne Lodge, for the next

six years. In his autobiography, written some 65 years later, Kipling would

recall this time with horror, and wonder ironically if the combination of

cruelty and neglect he experienced there at the hands of Mrs. Holloway might

not have hastened the onset of his literary life:**

He was, at that time, undergoing dasa of combust Mars (in 7th house).

Seventh, as we know, signifies " Living Abroad " ... It would be a good

excercise to look closely at this to find out why this Mars dasa was such an

unhappy period for him.

Note: at age 6 he was running bhukti of Venus (dispositor of Moon/Saturn) in

dasa of Mars.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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" bina.vyas " <bina.vyas

<jyotish-vidya >

Sunday, June 10, 2007 8:37 PM

Re: kemdrum yoga

Dear Wendy, & all members,

Thank you very much for basic answer. My doubt is still not clarified.

Top class businesspeople, media persons,swamis,gurus, & many more

persons are many times found emotionally isolated and lonely.They can

also suffer from feelings of emotional isolation. I am sure some of

above mentioned persons must be having kemdrum yoga. I want to know

that does kemdrum yoga affects success of a person?

Bina Vyas

June 11, 2007

Dear Swamy,

///Simply because an adverse yoga is available in a chart and certain

results are attributed to that particular yoga does not mean an

astrologer should pronounce the results. One should see what other

yogas are formed in the chart.///

It seems we were writing our response (re. Kipling's chart) at the same

time. Although my response is still out there (somewhere) in cyber space,

it's very much a reflection of your own thoughts. I won't repost it as last

time I did that the original turned up days later. (way out of sequence)...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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" muthukumaraswamydesigar " <muthukumaraswamydesigar

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, June 11, 2007 12:49 PM

Re: kemdrum yoga

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

I am of the view that the rules mentioned in the classics are to be

applied liberally not literally. We should understand the importance

given to the kendras in classics while considering the yogas. Be it

Kemadruma or be it Gaja Kesari. That is the important thing. The

importance given by classics is mainly to kendras. Results are

attributed to the yogas to emphasize this idea accordingly. Any yoga

is a single unit and a part which makes the chart under consideration

complete but not the whole of it.

See the chart under consideration. Rudyard was known to be

conservative and having old ideas. Why? Saturn is the answer.

Consider Saturn either from Lagna or from Moon. He rules the 9th

house and he influences five planets. That is the simple answer why

he possessed those traditional ideas. Rudyard enjoyed those planets

dasha starting from Moon.

When you consider the planets in 7th house from Lagna, there are

number of other yogas getting formed and those conjunctions are

blessed by the 9th Lord.

Simply because an adverse yoga is available in a chart and certain

results are attributed to that particular yoga does not mean an

astrologer should pronounce the results. One should see what other

yogas are formed in the chart.

The yogas are certainly subservient to dashas with certain

exceptions. He enjoyed the dasha of Moon in his early part of life.

So far as his separation from his birth place and mother and his

being unhappy at that time can be very well be justified if one see

the D-4 taking the dahsa under consideration.

Swamy.

June 11, 2007

Dear Swamy,

As you would recall (I'm sure) there was a time when I was totally opposed

to interpreting yogas (in any way), due to their misuse by modern day gurus.

I always maintained that a thorough understanding of the basic principles,

applied to the chart as a whole, was the best approach...

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

___

-

" muthukumaraswamydesigar " <muthukumaraswamydesigar

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, June 11, 2007 12:49 PM

Re: kemdrum yoga

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

I am of the view that the rules mentioned in the classics are to be

applied liberally not literally. We should understand the importance

given to the kendras in classics while considering the yogas. Be it

Kemadruma or be it Gaja Kesari. That is the important thing. The

importance given by classics is mainly to kendras. Results are

attributed to the yogas to emphasize this idea accordingly. Any yoga

is a single unit and a part which makes the chart under consideration

complete but not the whole of it.

See the chart under consideration. Rudyard was known to be

conservative and having old ideas. Why? Saturn is the answer.

Consider Saturn either from Lagna or from Moon. He rules the 9th

house and he influences five planets. That is the simple answer why

he possessed those traditional ideas. Rudyard enjoyed those planets

dasha starting from Moon.

When you consider the planets in 7th house from Lagna, there are

number of other yogas getting formed and those conjunctions are

blessed by the 9th Lord.

Simply because an adverse yoga is available in a chart and certain

results are attributed to that particular yoga does not mean an

astrologer should pronounce the results. One should see what other

yogas are formed in the chart.

The yogas are certainly subservient to dashas with certain

exceptions. He enjoyed the dasha of Moon in his early part of life.

So far as his separation from his birth place and mother and his

being unhappy at that time can be very well be justified if one see

the D-4 taking the dahsa under consideration.

Swamy.

June 11, 2007

Respected Mam,

You have quite rightly pointed that a wholistic

approach is required in interpretation. One single

yoga will not not in anyway describe a person

completely. There could others aspects in the chart

uplifting the person. The modern day books have not so

well described this yoga, and they do leave a

different impression to the reader.

It would be interesting to note that Mahatma Gandhi

too had Kemadruma Yoga. But his stature is well known

to everyone.

As per KY, it does give a lot of hardships to the

person, but he could also be elevated attributed to

other elements in the chart.

Since the KY surrounds the moon, I suppose it revolves

the mind primarily and since moon is described as

being fickle, it needs a string attached to let it

hold its ground(Pls correct me if I'm wrong here!).

And therefore the reference to sunapha and anapha

yoga. I have been closely associated with a person

with this yoga and therefore can see a difference in

what people say and what actually it is in reality. KY

has definitely been hyped in the present times.

Over to your inputs..

Best Regards,

Sripathi

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

> Dear Swamy,

>

> As you would recall (I'm sure) there was a time when

> I was totally opposed

> to interpreting yogas (in any way), due to their

> misuse by modern day gurus.

> I always maintained that a thorough understanding of

> the basic principles,

> applied to the chart as a whole, was the best

> approach...

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

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> -

> " muthukumaraswamydesigar "

> <muthukumaraswamydesigar

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Monday, June 11, 2007 12:49 PM

> Re: kemdrum yoga

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> I am of the view that the rules mentioned in the

> classics are to be

> applied liberally not literally. We should

> understand the importance

> given to the kendras in classics while considering

> the yogas. Be it

> Kemadruma or be it Gaja Kesari. That is the

> important thing. The

> importance given by classics is mainly to kendras.

> Results are

> attributed to the yogas to emphasize this idea

> accordingly. Any yoga

> is a single unit and a part which makes the chart

> under consideration

> complete but not the whole of it.

>

> See the chart under consideration. Rudyard was

> known to be

> conservative and having old ideas. Why? Saturn is

> the answer.

> Consider Saturn either from Lagna or from Moon. He

> rules the 9th

> house and he influences five planets. That is the

> simple answer why

> he possessed those traditional ideas. Rudyard

> enjoyed those planets

> dasha starting from Moon.

>

> When you consider the planets in 7th house from

> Lagna, there are

> number of other yogas getting formed and those

> conjunctions are

> blessed by the 9th Lord.

>

> Simply because an adverse yoga is available in a

> chart and certain

> results are attributed to that particular yoga does

> not mean an

> astrologer should pronounce the results. One should

> see what other

> yogas are formed in the chart.

>

> The yogas are certainly subservient to dashas with

> certain

> exceptions. He enjoyed the dasha of Moon in his

> early part of life.

> So far as his separation from his birth place and

> mother and his

> being unhappy at that time can be very well be

> justified if one see

> the D-4 taking the dahsa under consideration.

>

> Swamy.

>

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June 11, 2007

Dear Mrs. Wendy,

Yes. I remember. First one should understand the basic principles

and their exceptions well, in applying them in actual charts.

Swamy.

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Swamy,

>

> As you would recall (I'm sure) there was a time when I was totally

opposed

> to interpreting yogas (in any way), due to their misuse by modern

day gurus.

> I always maintained that a thorough understanding of the basic

principles,

> applied to the chart as a whole, was the best approach...

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " muthukumaraswamydesigar " <muthukumaraswamydesigar

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Monday, June 11, 2007 12:49 PM

> Re: kemdrum yoga

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> I am of the view that the rules mentioned in the classics are to be

> applied liberally not literally. We should understand the

importance

> given to the kendras in classics while considering the yogas. Be it

> Kemadruma or be it Gaja Kesari. That is the important thing. The

> importance given by classics is mainly to kendras. Results are

> attributed to the yogas to emphasize this idea accordingly. Any

yoga

> is a single unit and a part which makes the chart under

consideration

> complete but not the whole of it.

>

> See the chart under consideration. Rudyard was known to be

> conservative and having old ideas. Why? Saturn is the answer.

> Consider Saturn either from Lagna or from Moon. He rules the 9th

> house and he influences five planets. That is the simple answer why

> he possessed those traditional ideas. Rudyard enjoyed those planets

> dasha starting from Moon.

>

> When you consider the planets in 7th house from Lagna, there are

> number of other yogas getting formed and those conjunctions are

> blessed by the 9th Lord.

>

> Simply because an adverse yoga is available in a chart and certain

> results are attributed to that particular yoga does not mean an

> astrologer should pronounce the results. One should see what other

> yogas are formed in the chart.

>

> The yogas are certainly subservient to dashas with certain

> exceptions. He enjoyed the dasha of Moon in his early part of life.

> So far as his separation from his birth place and mother and his

> being unhappy at that time can be very well be justified if one see

> the D-4 taking the dahsa under consideration.

>

> Swamy.

>

June 11, 2007

Dear Sripathi and All,

//It would be interesting to note that Mahatma Gandhi

too had Kemadruma Yoga. But his stature is well known

to everyone.//

Would this apply with Moon conjunct Rahu??

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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" Sreepathi Tantri K " <mailsreeps

<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, June 11, 2007 2:32 PM

Re: Re: kemdrum yoga

Respected Mam,

You have quite rightly pointed that a wholistic

approach is required in interpretation. One single

yoga will not not in anyway describe a person

completely. There could others aspects in the chart

uplifting the person. The modern day books have not so

well described this yoga, and they do leave a

different impression to the reader.

It would be interesting to note that Mahatma Gandhi

too had Kemadruma Yoga. But his stature is well known

to everyone.

As per KY, it does give a lot of hardships to the

person, but he could also be elevated attributed to

other elements in the chart.

Since the KY surrounds the moon, I suppose it revolves

the mind primarily and since moon is described as

being fickle, it needs a string attached to let it

hold its ground(Pls correct me if I'm wrong here!).

And therefore the reference to sunapha and anapha

yoga. I have been closely associated with a person

with this yoga and therefore can see a difference in

what people say and what actually it is in reality. KY

has definitely been hyped in the present times.

Over to your inputs..

Best Regards,

Sripathi

June 11, 2007

Respected Mam,

In Gandhiji's chart, Moon itself is in Kendra(4th) and

further as a requisite for cancellation/neutralizing

KY; as it is said that there be a planet in a kendra

from moon, Jupiter is in a powerful kendra(10th) from

the moon. Thereby neutralising the KY.

Frankly, I would be very keen to know the impact of

moon's conjunction with Rahu.

Could you shed some light on this?

Best Regards,

Sripathi

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

> Dear Sripathi and All,

>

> //It would be interesting to note that Mahatma

> Gandhi

> too had Kemadruma Yoga. But his stature is well

> known

> to everyone.//

>

> Would this apply with Moon conjunct Rahu??

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

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> " Sreepathi Tantri K " <mailsreeps

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Monday, June 11, 2007 2:32 PM

> Re: Re: kemdrum yoga

>

> Respected Mam,

>

> You have quite rightly pointed that a wholistic

> approach is required in interpretation. One single

> yoga will not not in anyway describe a person

> completely. There could others aspects in the chart

> uplifting the person. The modern day books have not

> so

> well described this yoga, and they do leave a

> different impression to the reader.

>

> It would be interesting to note that Mahatma Gandhi

> too had Kemadruma Yoga. But his stature is well

> known

> to everyone.

>

> As per KY, it does give a lot of hardships to the

> person, but he could also be elevated attributed to

> other elements in the chart.

>

> Since the KY surrounds the moon, I suppose it

> revolves

> the mind primarily and since moon is described as

> being fickle, it needs a string attached to let it

> hold its ground(Pls correct me if I'm wrong here!).

> And therefore the reference to sunapha and anapha

> yoga. I have been closely associated with a person

> with this yoga and therefore can see a difference in

> what people say and what actually it is in reality.

> KY

> has definitely been hyped in the present times.

>

> Over to your inputs..

>

> Best Regards,

> Sripathi

>

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June 11, 2007

Respected All,

My sincere apologies. W.r.t my previous mail regarding

KY, Moon is in tenth for Gandhiji. I had mentioned

fourth!!.

Best Regards,

Sripathi

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

> Dear Sripathi and All,

>

> //It would be interesting to note that Mahatma

> Gandhi

> too had Kemadruma Yoga. But his stature is well

> known

> to everyone.//

>

> Would this apply with Moon conjunct Rahu??

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " Sreepathi Tantri K " <mailsreeps

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Monday, June 11, 2007 2:32 PM

> Re: Re: kemdrum yoga

>

> Respected Mam,

>

> You have quite rightly pointed that a wholistic

> approach is required in interpretation. One single

> yoga will not not in anyway describe a person

> completely. There could others aspects in the chart

> uplifting the person. The modern day books have not

> so

> well described this yoga, and they do leave a

> different impression to the reader.

>

> It would be interesting to note that Mahatma Gandhi

> too had Kemadruma Yoga. But his stature is well

> known

> to everyone.

>

> As per KY, it does give a lot of hardships to the

> person, but he could also be elevated attributed to

> other elements in the chart.

>

> Since the KY surrounds the moon, I suppose it

> revolves

> the mind primarily and since moon is described as

> being fickle, it needs a string attached to let it

> hold its ground(Pls correct me if I'm wrong here!).

> And therefore the reference to sunapha and anapha

> yoga. I have been closely associated with a person

> with this yoga and therefore can see a difference in

> what people say and what actually it is in reality.

> KY

> has definitely been hyped in the present times.

>

> Over to your inputs..

>

> Best Regards,

> Sripathi

>

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June 11, 2007

Dear Sripathi,

Due to Moon's placement in 10th, Gandhi has planets in kendra from both

Lagna (and) Moon...all bases covered, so to speak :-)

///Frankly, I would be very keen to know the impact of

moon's conjunction with Rahu.///

We've spoken at length (on this list) about Rahu's ability to propel one

towards name and fame when connected with 10th house. Some examples we've

spoken of are:

1) B.V. Raman with Rahu's dispositor (Jupiter) in 10th.

2) K.N. Rao with Rahu's dispositor (Jupiter) exalted in 10th.

3) Mahatma Gandhi with 10th lord Moon conjunct Rahu in 10th.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Monday, June 11, 2007 6:53 PM

Re: Re: kemdrum yoga

Respected Mam,

In Gandhiji's chart, Moon itself is in Kendra(4th) and

further as a requisite for cancellation/neutralizing

KY; as it is said that there be a planet in a kendra

from moon, Jupiter is in a powerful kendra(10th) from

the moon. Thereby neutralising the KY.

Frankly, I would be very keen to know the impact of

moon's conjunction with Rahu.

Could you shed some light on this?

Best Regards,

Sripathi

June 11, 2007

Respected Mam,

Off the current subject in discussion, since Rahu came

into picture. . which is the true swakshetra of Rahu

and Ketu?

Is it Virgo and Pisces? Or is it Aquarius and Scorpio,

given the dictum " shanivad rahu evam kujavad ketu " .

whatever be the case, would Rahu and ketu in own house

behave differently?

Best Regards,

Sripathi

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

> Dear Sripathi,

>

> Due to Moon's placement in 10th, Gandhi has planets

> in kendra from both

> Lagna (and) Moon...all bases covered, so to speak

> :-)

>

> ///Frankly, I would be very keen to know the impact

> of

> moon's conjunction with Rahu.///

>

> We've spoken at length (on this list) about Rahu's

> ability to propel one

> towards name and fame when connected with 10th

> house. Some examples we've

> spoken of are:

>

> 1) B.V. Raman with Rahu's dispositor (Jupiter) in

> 10th.

> 2) K.N. Rao with Rahu's dispositor (Jupiter) exalted

> in 10th.

> 3) Mahatma Gandhi with 10th lord Moon conjunct Rahu

> in 10th.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

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> -

> " Sreepathi Tantri K " <mailsreeps

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Monday, June 11, 2007 6:53 PM

> Re: Re: kemdrum yoga

>

> Respected Mam,

>

> In Gandhiji's chart, Moon itself is in Kendra(4th)

> and

> further as a requisite for cancellation/neutralizing

> KY; as it is said that there be a planet in a kendra

> from moon, Jupiter is in a powerful kendra(10th)

> from

> the moon. Thereby neutralising the KY.

>

> Frankly, I would be very keen to know the impact of

> moon's conjunction with Rahu.

>

> Could you shed some light on this?

>

> Best Regards,

> Sripathi

>

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June 11, 2007

Dear Sripathi,

According to Parashara, Rahu has Aquarius as swakshetra whilst Ketu has

Scorpio. I follow this rule, which BTW confirms the dictum that Rahu is akin

to Saturn and Ketu is akin to Mars.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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<jyotish-vidya >

Monday, June 11, 2007 9:07 PM

Re: Re: kemdrum yoga

Respected Mam,

Off the current subject in discussion, since Rahu came

into picture. . which is the true swakshetra of Rahu

and Ketu?

Is it Virgo and Pisces? Or is it Aquarius and Scorpio,

given the dictum " shanivad rahu evam kujavad ketu " .

whatever be the case, would Rahu and ketu in own house

behave differently?

Best Regards,

Sripathi

June 11, 2007

Thanks mam.

Best Regards,

Sripathi

--- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish wrote:

> Dear Sripathi,

>

> According to Parashara, Rahu has Aquarius as

> swakshetra whilst Ketu has

> Scorpio. I follow this rule, which BTW confirms the

> dictum that Rahu is akin

> to Saturn and Ketu is akin to Mars.

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

> ___

>

> -

> " Sreepathi Tantri K " <mailsreeps

> <jyotish-vidya >

> Monday, June 11, 2007 9:07 PM

> Re: Re: kemdrum yoga

>

> Respected Mam,

>

> Off the current subject in discussion, since Rahu

> came

> into picture. . which is the true swakshetra of

> Rahu

> and Ketu?

>

> Is it Virgo and Pisces? Or is it Aquarius and

> Scorpio,

> given the dictum " shanivad rahu evam kujavad ketu " .

>

> whatever be the case, would Rahu and ketu in own

> house

> behave differently?

>

> Best Regards,

> Sripathi

>

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June 11, 2007

Dear Wendy

Respected Swamy,

My doubts are very much clear. Thank you very much. I have understood

that one has to take into consideration complete natal chart. But i

still believe that if some particular yoga is formed in natal chart it

will surely show its effect in ones life during dasa,untardasa, or

even small period of prati-prati untardasa. Kemdrum yoga will surely

keep person isolated but not necessarily deprive him/her of wealth,

success,or popularity.Please comment on my this viewpoint.

Bina Vyas

jyotish-vidya , " Wendy Vasicek " <jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Swamy,

>

> As you would recall (I'm sure) there was a time when I was totally

opposed

> to interpreting yogas (in any way), due to their misuse by modern

day gurus.

> I always maintained that a thorough understanding of the basic

principles,

> applied to the chart as a whole, was the best approach...

>

> Best Wishes,

> Mrs. Wendy

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> <jyotish-vidya >

> Monday, June 11, 2007 12:49 PM

> Re: kemdrum yoga

>

> Dear Mrs. Wendy,

>

> I am of the view that the rules mentioned in the classics are to be

> applied liberally not literally. We should understand the importance

> given to the kendras in classics while considering the yogas. Be it

> Kemadruma or be it Gaja Kesari. That is the important thing. The

> importance given by classics is mainly to kendras. Results are

> attributed to the yogas to emphasize this idea accordingly. Any yoga

> is a single unit and a part which makes the chart under consideration

> complete but not the whole of it.

>

> See the chart under consideration. Rudyard was known to be

> conservative and having old ideas. Why? Saturn is the answer.

> Consider Saturn either from Lagna or from Moon. He rules the 9th

> house and he influences five planets. That is the simple answer why

> he possessed those traditional ideas. Rudyard enjoyed those planets

> dasha starting from Moon.

>

> When you consider the planets in 7th house from Lagna, there are

> number of other yogas getting formed and those conjunctions are

> blessed by the 9th Lord.

>

> Simply because an adverse yoga is available in a chart and certain

> results are attributed to that particular yoga does not mean an

> astrologer should pronounce the results. One should see what other

> yogas are formed in the chart.

>

> The yogas are certainly subservient to dashas with certain

> exceptions. He enjoyed the dasha of Moon in his early part of life.

> So far as his separation from his birth place and mother and his

> being unhappy at that time can be very well be justified if one see

> the D-4 taking the dahsa under consideration.

>

> Swamy.

>

June 11, 2007

Dear Vyas,

I agree with you to the extent that nothing goes unmanifested. It is

absolutely right that yogas are the important area in Hindu

Astrology. There is no doubt that one should consider the existence

of a yoga and then its cancellation. Even a yoga is gets cancelled,

certainly there exists some inherent weakness in a particular area..

The question is how strong the manifestation is or would be? The

point is that one should not press the panic button unnecessarily.

There are more than 10 conditions attached to this yoga for its

cancellation. Hence in most of the charts, in one way or the other,

the yoga gets cancelled. The main idea is that the student should in

first place know all exceptions before pronouncing the results for a

combination.

See the dispositor of Moon in rashi chart. See the position of Moon

in Navamsa. Note the Navamsa dispositor of Moon and his condition.

If they are in a good position, much of the intensity of the results

attributed to this yoga is minimized. At what age one is going to

enjoy the dasha of Moon.

The results which are more practical in a day to day life of

unsupported Moon in a chart are irritation, frustration in mild form

and depression in a severe case. When it happens? It happens

when the transit Moon goes to 8th from the radical Moon. Malefic

transits like Astama Sani or Kantaka Sani or Sade-Sathi then one feel

himself or herself being isolated.

Swamy.

>>>Dear Wendy Respected Swamy,

My doubts are very much clear. Thank you very much. I have understood

that one has to take into consideration complete natal chart. But i

still believe that if some particular yoga is formed in natal chart it

will surely show its effect in ones life during dasa,untardasa, or

even small period of prati-prati untardasa. Kemdrum yoga will surely

keep person isolated but not necessarily deprive him/her of wealth,

success,or popularity.Please comment on my this viewpoint. Bina

Vyas>>>

June 11, 2007

Dear Group Members,

Here is my chart , I have kemdrum yoga , If u want to known my

experience i can share.I also have rahu in the 11th in jup nakshatra

10TH MARCH 1974

bOMBAY

06:30AM

Prashu

On 6/11/07, Sreepathi Tantri K <mailsreeps wrote:

>

> Respected Mam,

>

> Off the current subject in discussion, since Rahu came

> into picture. . which is the true swakshetra of Rahu

> and Ketu?

>

> Is it Virgo and Pisces? Or is it Aquarius and Scorpio,

> given the dictum " shanivad rahu evam kujavad ketu " .

>

> whatever be the case, would Rahu and ketu in own house

> behave differently?

>

> Best Regards,

> Sripathi

>

> --- Wendy Vasicek <jyotish <jyotish%40optusnet.com.au>>

> wrote:

>

> > Dear Sripathi,

> >

> > Due to Moon's placement in 10th, Gandhi has planets

> > in kendra from both

> > Lagna (and) Moon...all bases covered, so to speak

> > :-)

> >

> > ///Frankly, I would be very keen to know the impact

> > of

> > moon's conjunction with Rahu.///

> >

> > We've spoken at length (on this list) about Rahu's

> > ability to propel one

> > towards name and fame when connected with 10th

> > house. Some examples we've

> > spoken of are:

> >

> > 1) B.V. Raman with Rahu's dispositor (Jupiter) in

> > 10th.

> > 2) K.N. Rao with Rahu's dispositor (Jupiter) exalted

> > in 10th.

> > 3) Mahatma Gandhi with 10th lord Moon conjunct Rahu

> > in 10th.

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Mrs. Wendy

> > http://JyotishVidya.com <http://jyotishvidya.com/>

> > jyotish-vidya

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> >

> > -

> > " Sreepathi Tantri K " <mailsreeps<mailsreeps%40>

> >

> > <jyotish-vidya <jyotish-vidya%40>>

> > Monday, June 11, 2007 6:53 PM

> > Re: Re: kemdrum yoga

> >

> > Respected Mam,

> >

> > In Gandhiji's chart, Moon itself is in Kendra(4th)

> > and

> > further as a requisite for cancellation/neutralizing

> > KY; as it is said that there be a planet in a kendra

> > from moon, Jupiter is in a powerful kendra(10th)

> > from

> > the moon. Thereby neutralising the KY.

> >

> > Frankly, I would be very keen to know the impact of

> > moon's conjunction with Rahu.

> >

> > Could you shed some light on this?

> >

> > Best Regards,

> > Sripathi

> >

>

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June 11, 2007

Dear Prashu,

It would be good to share your experience with the group :-)

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy

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Tuesday, June 12, 2007 11:27 AM

Re: Re: kemdrum yoga

Dear Group Members,

Here is my chart , I have kemdrum yoga , If u want to known my

experience i can share.I also have rahu in the 11th in jup nakshatra

10TH MARCH 1974

bOMBAY

06:30AM

Prashu

June 12, 2007

Dear Swamy,

///It is absolutely right that yogas are the important area in Hindu

Astrology.///

I certainly agree with this! What I question is their (all too often)

erroneous application which occurs, in my opinion, due to ignorance of the

fundamental principles.

Best Wishes,

Mrs. Wendy