Jataka and Prashna - Priority to which, when and why?

March 17, 2010

Correction://Here more Mars and Mercury is playing their role//Here more Mars, Mercury & VENUS are playing their role.Vijay , "vijay.goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Dear Kulbhir Bhai,> > Hare Rama Krsna,> > The following definition is the result of search from internet.> > CRAFT : to make or manufacture (an object, objects, product, etc.) with> skill and careful attention to detail.> > Here more Mars and Mercury is playing their role.> > ART : Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work> of nature.> > Here more attributes of Sun, Moon & Jupiter.> > So what is better, Crafty prediction or Artistic prediction. ? What you> will choose ? []> > Lawyers (infact any other DR., Engg. etc) should be Crafty [] , else> they will be out of profession [:-?] [(:|]> > Thankyou,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > > > , Kulbir Bains> lalkitabkb@ wrote:> >> > Dear Goel ji,> > There is difference between Art and CRAFT.> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains.> >> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:34 PM, vijay.goel goyalvj@ wrote:> >> > >> > >> > > Dear Devi Singh Ji,> > >> > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > >> > > //i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern science> says> > > with proof and book reference//> > >> > > I will love to see it and appreciate it. > > >> > > I believe 'Prediction' is pure Art, it is a beautiful Song where> 'Rhythmic> > > Notes', the flow is given by Sun, 'Sweetness' of voice, music is> added by> > > Moon, and 'Purity' [of thoughts, natural laws,] of poem is an> attributes of> > > Jupiter.> > > All other acts (like Mars - logical, Mercury - intelligence, etc)> are just> > > 'Preparation' for the 'Prediction' like all artist and technician> assemble> > > in the recording room. All are important for every final output ,> action or> > > event [prediction \ song ] in life, is covered by all nine planets> jointly.> > >> > > All sciences ends in Art.> > >> > > Just a thought thankyou,> > >> > >> > > Best Wishes,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur.> > >> > > , devisigh> > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Vijay JI,> > > >> > > > I Love to contribute Astrology in My way.....nobody Dare to say It> is> > > > not working (i will show how it is working with mechanism which> modern> > > > science says with proof and book reference)...it takes its own> time with> > > > God Grace..> > > >> > > > --who live Contradictions ...can come up above all> contradictions...> > > > ------------------> > > > Regards,> > > > Devisingh> > > >> > > >> > > > vijay.goel wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear DeviSinghji,> > > > >> > > > > I will support Kulbhir Bhai, Please give it a try.> > > > > We might get benefited from you.> > > > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>>,> > > "Lalkitab"> > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Devi Singh ji,> > > > > > Lalkitab has provided a table for annual transit of planets> upto 120> > > > > years. I have seen best of mathematicians, software engineers,> > > > > astrologers etc. trying to decode the formula but with no> success.> > > > > kindly give it a try.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>>,> > > devisigh> > > > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar JI,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of Science,Computer> > > > > > > Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc )> > > > > > > (if anybody want can reach to my home through google my> > > > > > > profile/data/cell everything is there on Net)......If> anybody want> > > > > else> > > > > > > info i am ready to give.....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though that was not> > > > > > > intention.....sharing has to be taken as wealth of thoughts> for> > > > > benefit> > > > > > > of astrology....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is different Person on this> > > forum.....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You have pointed out that leakage tank example and higher> math> > > those> > > > > > > article was from me .....i left those not to trouble much> > > others....> > > > > > > Everything with me and working silently for benefit of> astrology> > > > > but not> > > > > > > to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i have ...just wait> for> > > > > season> > > > > > > to come in astrology......> > > > > > >> > > > > > > All connected via group are friend and working for Astrology> that> > > > > i can> > > > > > > take granted from this group and being them consider friend> is> > > > > good (at> > > > > > > least Human are pron to err)> > > > > > > As a senior you and other are always respected....everybody> have> > > > > to live> > > > > > > together in forum same as roof of god that is beauty.....> > > > > > > If everything is predicted then no room for not> predicted.....life> > > is> > > > > > > like River it has flow...without flow in astrology It prone> to> > > > > Death....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If anybody have any query from my post i can answer those> because> > > > > i am> > > > > > > not posting without working from myside first....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -I pray to God he will help to come out you from Bad> health...> > > > > > > ------------------> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Talk to me directly.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You are the only one who has wasted time of so many> members to> > > > > the tune> > > > > > > > of not hours, but days in senseless discussions. You make> claims> > > > > > > > constantly but when anyone asks you for some anaylsis or> inputs,> > > > > > > > everytime you search for escape routes and excuses, and> never> > > > > return for> > > > > > > > those Queries but come back with some other senseless> > > > > discussion. You> > > > > > > > are just like that persdon advising in a gentry of> Haircutters> > > > > about how> > > > > > > > to cut hair, which example was specially meant for you.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > And stop sending mails on my personal id. I dont want to> read any> > > > > > > > rubbish filth nor are you so important enough to enable a> reply> > > > > from me.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You dont know the basics of astrology, why are you wasting> time> > > of> > > > > > > > respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who have lots of> pearls> > > to> > > > > > > > display, but displaying before..... And you want healthy> > > > > discussions ?> > > > > > > > On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings which nobody> can> > > > > > > > understand ? Except another fake id like yours which will> come up> > > to> > > > > > > > praise you ? You want to discuss on how water leakage> froma tank> > > > > can be> > > > > > > > predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we are asking> you> > > > > since last> > > > > > > > 3 months to show, discuss, produce, demonstrate and> support and> > > > > > > > authenticate your claims, but you are talking senseless> all the> > > > > times> > > > > > > > and commenting on others comments ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You say that your responses will take time ? Do you know> > > > > anything att> > > > > > > > all to respond by the way ? As usual you will expect> people to> > > > > forget> > > > > > > > this and come back again with something silly and want> people to> > > > > listen> > > > > > > > to you, which you will call as "Healthy discussion". Thank> God> > > > > at least> > > > > > > > I have not wasted my time with such healthy discussions in> last> > > few> > > > > > > > weeks with you.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > And you have a problem about my using terms like "Hair> Stylists"> > > > > > > > and"Hair cutters". Listen I am a genuine member here who> has> > > > > right to> > > > > > > > comment. Before you raise a motion of opposition for me,> please> > > > > prove> > > > > > > > your genuinity by allowing members to know your real name,> > > contact> > > > > > > > particulars and about yourself.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>> > > >> > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>>,> > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sunilji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since> you> > > have> > > > > > > > raised the issue :> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times )> and> > > > > even in> > > > > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy> > > -Jataka-> > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a> birth time> > > as> > > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person> as it> > > > > will> > > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my> name,> > > > > there is no> > > > > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a> > > healthy> > > > > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like> "hair> > > > > cutting",> > > > > > > > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group is> a hair> > > > > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss> > > > > privately on> > > > > > > > your mail id.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My responses may take time....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>> > > >> > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>>,> > > "Sunil"> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp> and not> > > > > as a> > > > > > > > reply> > > > > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so> pardon me> > > in> > > > > > > > case of> > > > > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a> good> > > > > person )> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was> this> > > > > --- when> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what> we wil> > > > > take ??> > > > > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora> ,dasadhyayi> > > > > etc ) and> > > > > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens> ,the> > > > > events> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the> time> > > > > of birth> > > > > > > > (> > > > > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika> adyaya> > > > > ) .So> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a> problem for> > > old> > > > > > > > learned> > > > > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used> ,how> > > many> > > > > > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc> to the> > > oil> > > > > > > > consumed> > > > > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the> > > > > delivery room> > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa> -antar tawa> > > > > methods> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if> reported> > > > > birth time> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like> under a> > > > > tree or> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in> kerala> > > > > is not> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising> sign> > > > > or udaya> > > > > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which> rising> > > > > sign will> > > > > > > > b 2> > > > > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r> groping in> > > > > dark and> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of> > > > > emergency the> > > > > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this> method has> > > more> > > > > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and> efficient> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has> various> > > > > methods> > > > > > > > > > and application and implications> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in> temple town> > > of> > > > > > > > culture> > > > > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any> chart> > > > > but they> > > > > > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its> > > > > future effect> > > > > > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems> they> > > > > prescribe> > > > > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi> .one> > > man> > > > > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer> .i said> > > yes> > > > > > > > ,then> > > > > > > > > > he described an event what happened in his life> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he> went to> > > > > attent> > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he> was> > > office> > > > > > > > bearer> > > > > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian> medical> > > > > > > > assossiation> > > > > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd> is a> > > > > nativ of> > > > > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that> he> > > > > need to> > > > > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go> ahead> > > > > and i> > > > > > > > dont> > > > > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of> the> > > frnd> > > > > > > > doctor> > > > > > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the> frnd> > > > > asked him> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions> .He was> > > not> > > > > > > > willing> > > > > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not> > > > > having any> > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of> moon> > > > > or moon> > > > > > > > sign> > > > > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day> of> > > > > birth of> > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > kids .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future> of My> > > > > eldest> > > > > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him> that u> > > > > wanted> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted> to b> > > > > so ,but> > > > > > > > she> > > > > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and> mind it> > > > > those> > > > > > > > days> > > > > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got> into> > > > > MBBS when> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the> > > purticular> > > > > > > > stream> > > > > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is> worrying> > > > > why did> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna ,> Tamboola> > > > > prashna> > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of> india and> > > > > may b in> > > > > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for> a> > > > > purticular> > > > > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna> ) they> > > r> > > > > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete> well> > > > > being of a> > > > > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult> any> > > Birth> > > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each> memebr> > > in> > > > > > > > family> > > > > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there> may b> > > > > 100 to 300> > > > > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in> some> > > > > Mag in a> > > > > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji> > > > > conducted such> > > > > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a> single> > > > > prashna )> > > > > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the> prashna> > > > > and the> > > > > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point> many> > > > > of the> > > > > > > > events> > > > > > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking> the> > > > > details he> > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna> there> > > > > will b 2> > > > > > > > grps> > > > > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other> who is> > > > > > > > arguing> > > > > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana> 's> > > > > and hora s> > > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i> blv this> > > > > or i> > > > > > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we> ask abt> > > > > > > > efficacy> > > > > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so> called> > > > > moderators> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to> brand u> > > as> > > > > > > > trouble> > > > > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of> > > > > tradition .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times )> and> > > > > even in> > > > > > > > grp> > > > > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of> horoscopy> > > -Jataka-> > > > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a> birth> > > > > time as> > > > > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular> person as> > > it> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time> ,let me> > > > > > > > conclud> > > > > > > > > > here> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > thanks and with regrds> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > sunil nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>> > > >> > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>>,> > >> > > > > venkatachala pathi> > > > > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sirs,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary'> astrology)> > > is> > > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find outÂ> the events> > > in> > > > > > > > one's> > > > > > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's> attempts or> > > > > action,> > > > > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes> of> > > > > Natal's> > > > > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive> at the> > > > > > > > 'results'> > > > > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general.Â In> Indian school> > > of> > > > > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before> > > > > Standard Time> > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are> errors in> > > > > giving> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants,> while a> > > > > few give> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - timeÂ of appearance> ofÂ head or> > > > > > > > part> > > > > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the> child is> > > > > removed> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the> time> > > > > given by a> > > > > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told> by her> > > > > mother> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in> theÂ> > > > > > > > > > > morning!!). InÂ such cases an astrologer cannot> relay on> > > the> > > > > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twinsÂ are born the time difference> to 'second'> > > > > > > > becomes> > > > > > > > > > important to studyÂ the birth chart of both> children, as few> > > > > > > > > > minutesÂ close to each other, could deliver 'Eka-> pinda' -Â> > > > > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the> position ofÂ> > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids areÂ not changed.> There you will> > > > > > > > note> > > > > > > > > > 'predictive side' of chartsÂ mostlyÂ become> complecated as> > > 'at> > > > > > > > > > face' become same.Â It is not so when you actually> 'thread'> > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to> 'trace' a> > > > > > > > perticular> > > > > > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an> Astrologer> > > to> > > > > > > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will> 'shorten'> > > to> > > > > > > > arrive> > > > > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' onÂ 'event, as compared to> time> > > consuming> > > > > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking> the> > > > > moment of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > judgement, toÂ correct the subtle difference in the> birth> > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods> are> > > > > simple> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in> months and> > > > > years> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > practice to arrive at right results.Â Say, this> could help to> > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house'Â more> nearÂ to> > > > > > > > correct> > > > > > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a-> dozen> > > > > > > > acceptedÂ> > > > > > > > > > Dasha Methods.Â Similarly, this helps to arrive> atÂ possible> > > > > > > > date> > > > > > > > > > of marriage orÂ of aÂ child birth or success in> an Election> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > more practicalÂ and immediate events for whichÂ> instant> > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > are required.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great> > > > > Astrologer Guru> > > > > > > > > > ShriÂ Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many> > > Astrologers> > > > > > > > near> > > > > > > > > > to correct predictionsÂ for solvingÂ subtle> 'event questions'> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > accurate solutions.Â Further, great experts exist> and> > > practice> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of> > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to> correct> > > > > > > > 'Predictive> > > > > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packedÂ with a large> space of> > > hues,> > > > > > > > while> > > > > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduceÂ such space.> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,Â Â> > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer,> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>> > > >> > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka> and> > > > > Prashna -> > > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,> > > > > > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.> > > > > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;> > > > > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a> public> > > > > forum> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > aÂ privilege of every member butÂ ending the> discussion on> > > the> > > > > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.> > > > > > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;-> the> > > topic> > > > > > > > remains> > > > > > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to> stopÂ> > > their> > > > > > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without> > > conclusion> > > > > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensibleÂ group.> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija> > > sckursija (AT) (DOT) > > > > > > > > com>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and> Horary> > > > > chart today.> > > > > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to> submit> > > > > that the> > > > > > > > natal> > > > > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray> chart is> > > > > for the> > > > > > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole> life> > > > > of the> > > > > > > > > > native.> > > > > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal> char> > > > > in some> > > > > > > > > > sphere such as who will win?Â When I receive the> guest? When> > > my> > > > > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.> > > > > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex >> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka> and> > > > > Prashna -> > > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>Â> > > > > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but> written> > > in> > > > > > > > Prashna> > > > > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two> > > > > thoughts or> > > > > > > > ways:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your> eyes and> > > > > accept> > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not> come> > > > > back with> > > > > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna> marg that> > > > > > > > horoary> > > > > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run> this> > > > > society.> > > > > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so> expect> > > > > the same> > > > > > > > > > from you.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>regds> > > > > > > > > > > >>Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > "Lalkitab"> > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with> such> > > > > > > > capabilities> > > > > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage> would> > > > > pursue his> > > > > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the> procedure of> > > > > being a> > > > > > > > > > Tirthankar.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Regards> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree> from> > > > > point of> > > > > > > > view> > > > > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really> mean> > > it.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg,> here> > > > > are slokas> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka> 18):> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. âEUR" That person, who has> mastery of this> > > > > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who> leads a> > > > > > > > religious> > > > > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and> who is> > > well> > > > > > > > versed> > > > > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be> called a> > > > > > > > Daivajnya or> > > > > > > > > > seer.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. âEUR" All the predictions made> by such a> > > > > person> > > > > > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned> support> > > this> > > > > > > > > > statement.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. âEUR" He who has acquired a> thorough> > > > > knowledge> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five> siddhantas,> > > > > who has> > > > > > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret> > > > > mantra by a> > > > > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already> had> > > > > enough.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > Kulbir> > > > > > > > Bains> > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words,> consider> > > the> > > > > > > > spirit,> > > > > > > > > > whenever the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual> should> > > get> > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > guidance,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part> is> > > divine.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of> astrologer.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex> > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current> time. But> > > > > when it> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > KP Horary,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far> as I> > > > > know)(You> > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > refer to KP> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native> that> > > > > fixes> > > > > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from> this> > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > Then> > > > > > > > > > Ruling planets> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that> time> > > > > (not native> > > > > > > > > > chart). Common> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two.> > > > > Vimshottari Dasa> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > studied, a period> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets> and> > > then> > > > > > > > within> > > > > > > > > > that period,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best> person> > > to> > > > > > > > comment> > > > > > > > > > on KP and you> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna> can be> > > > > > > > understood> > > > > > > > > > but "Aj de taim> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar> sakde> > > > > ne. Te> > > > > > > > kinne> > > > > > > > > > astrloger ne> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan> (aachaar> > > > > samhita)> > > > > > > > jeende> > > > > > > > > > ne)> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give> paramount> > > > > > > > importance> > > > > > > > > > to the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to> > > > > coincide with> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > planetary> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is> erected.> > > Kindly> > > > > > > > correct> > > > > > > > > > me if i am wrong.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated> by> > > > > something> > > > > > > > > > divine.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@>> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > > Jataka and> > > > > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Ã,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware> Prashnamarg> > > > > prefers> > > > > > > > horary> > > > > > > > > > but what is> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific> basis of> > > > > this?> > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > is my question.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power> > > associated> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > it, then person> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many> of> > > > > such people> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > there in this> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > world?> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > >> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is> trying> > > > > to point> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > is one of the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e.> -> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result> differs> > > > > > > > PRASHNA> > > > > > > > > > should be given> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not> Natal> > > > > chart - i.e.> > > > > > > > > > Jataka)!> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna> Marga> > > > > and that> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > one of the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole> text> > > prashna> > > > > > > > marga> > > > > > > > > > stands - and> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very> important> > > > > advice> > > > > > > > given> > > > > > > > > > by Prashna> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that.> And> > > > > there is> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > good scope for> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try> to> > > > > address> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > question - "WHY> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the> answer is> > > > > > > > available in> > > > > > > > > > Prashnamarga> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is> unaware of> > > the> > > > > > > > > > intricate pointers> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and> knowledge> > > > > Sunil> > > > > > > > ji> > > > > > > > > > provides.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//ÃfâEURs(> the period is> > > bad> > > > > > > > > > according to birthchart> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna ÃfâEURs( revealed the> period is> > > > > > > > > > bestÃfâEURs( //> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both> natal and> > > > > > > > prashana> > > > > > > > > > ÃfâEURs( indications> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New > > > > > Optimized IE8.> > > > > > > > Get> > > > > > > > > > it NOW!> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > http://downloads. /> in/internetexplo> > > rer/> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > --> > Regards> > Kulbir Bians> >>

March 17, 2010

Dear Vijay JI,

I can answer only in two words 'Siksha and Dharma'

Explanation may not required for People like your god self (who know

Daharma).......... That will be for other Modern People (who know

Siksha)

People may not believe that Prediction is Art......same time they may

believe that calculation can deliver Results without practical.....but

they may not know what college Math convey when specific data and lots

probability are there ...calculations does not remains more and they

become Predictions...more like Probability in other way

Science Fragmented stream and finally ... Chemistry is no more

Chemistry it become Electro chemistry/Nuclear Chemistry...etc.......As

they fragmented finally got that Physics can not be separated from

Chemistry and Biology completely.......what all appear as

Standalone/separate are inter connected in some or other way very

deeply.....

Everything is United in this worlds.....Everything is Divine and God

.....!!!

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

vijay.goel wrote:

Dear Devi Singh Ji,

Hare Rama Krsna,

//i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern science

says with proof and book reference//

I will love to see it and

appreciate it.

I believe 'Prediction' is pure Art, it is a beautiful Song where

'Rhythmic Notes', the flow is given by Sun, 'Sweetness' of voice, music

is added by Moon, and 'Purity' [of thoughts, natural laws,] of poem is

an attributes of Jupiter.

All other acts (like Mars - logical, Mercury - intelligence, etc) are

just 'Preparation' for the 'Prediction' like all artist and technician

assemble in the recording room. All are important for every final

output , action or event [prediction \ song ] in life, is covered by

all nine planets jointly.

All sciences ends in Art.

Just a thought thankyou,

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

,

devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> Dear Vijay JI,

>

> I Love to contribute Astrology in My way.....nobody Dare to say It

is

> not working (i will show how it is working with mechanism which

modern

> science says with proof and book reference)...it takes its

own time with

> God Grace..

>

> --who live Contradictions ...can come up above all contradictions...

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> vijay.goel wrote:

> >

> > Dear DeviSinghji,

> >

> > I will support Kulbhir Bhai, Please give it a try.

> > We might get benefited from you.

> >

> > Thankyou,

> > Best Wishes,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

> > <%40>,

"Lalkitab"

> > lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Devi Singh ji,

> > > Lalkitab has provided a table for annual transit of

planets upto 120

> > years. I have seen best of mathematicians, software

engineers,

> > astrologers etc. trying to decode the formula but with no

success.

> > kindly give it a try.

> > > Regards

> > > Kulbir Bains.

> > >

> > <%40>,

devisigh

> > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar JI,

> > > >

> > > > I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of Science,Computer

> > > > Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc )

> > > > (if anybody want can reach to my home through

google my

> > > > profile/data/cell everything is there on

Net)......If anybody want

> > else

> > > > info i am ready to give.....

> > > >

> > > > Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though that was

not

> > > > intention.....sharing has to be taken as

wealth of thoughts for

> > benefit

> > > > of astrology....

> > > >

> > > > Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is different Person

on this forum.....

> > > >

> > > > You have pointed out that leakage tank example and

higher math those

> > > > article was from me .....i left those not to

trouble much others....

> > > > Everything with me and working silently for benefit

of astrology

> > but not

> > > > to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i have

....just wait for

> > season

> > > > to come in astrology......

> > > >

> > > > All connected via group are friend and working for

Astrology that

> > i can

> > > > take granted from this group and being them

consider friend is

> > good (at

> > > > least Human are pron to err)

> > > > As a senior you and other are always respected....everybody

have

> > to live

> > > > together in forum same as roof of god that is

beauty.....

> > > > If everything is predicted then no room for not

predicted.....life is

> > > > like River it has flow...without flow in astrology

It prone to

> > Death....

> > > >

> > > > If anybody have any query from my post i can answer

those because

> > i am

> > > > not posting without working from myside first....

> > > >

> > > > -I pray to God he will help to come out you from

Bad health...

> > > > ------------------

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Devisingh

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),

> > > > >

> > > > > Talk to me directly.

> > > > >

> > > > > You are the only one who has wasted time of so

many members to

> > the tune

> > > > > of not hours, but days in senseless

discussions. You make claims

> > > > > constantly but when anyone asks you for some

anaylsis or inputs,

> > > > > everytime you search for escape routes and

excuses, and never

> > return for

> > > > > those Queries but come back with some other

senseless

> > discussion. You

> > > > > are just like that persdon advising in a

gentry of Haircutters

> > about how

> > > > > to cut hair, which example was specially meant

for you.

> > > > >

> > > > > And stop sending mails on my personal id. I

dont want to read any

> > > > > rubbish filth nor are you so important enough

to enable a reply

> > from me.

> > > > >

> > > > > You dont know the basics of astrology, why are

you wasting time of

> > > > > respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who

have lots of pearls to

> > > > > display, but displaying before..... And you

want healthy

> > discussions ?

> > > > > On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings

which nobody can

> > > > > understand ? Except another fake id like yours

which will come up to

> > > > > praise you ? You want to discuss on how water

leakage froma tank

> > can be

> > > > > predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we

are asking you

> > since last

> > > > > 3 months to show, discuss, produce,

demonstrate and support and

> > > > > authenticate your claims, but you are talking

senseless all the

> > times

> > > > > and commenting on others comments ?

> > > > >

> > > > > You say that your responses will take time ?

Do you know

> > anything att

> > > > > all to respond by the way ? As usual you will

expect people to

> > forget

> > > > > this and come back again with something silly

and want people to

> > listen

> > > > > to you, which you will call as "Healthy

discussion". Thank God

> > at least

> > > > > I have not wasted my time with such healthy

discussions in last few

> > > > > weeks with you.

> > > > >

> > > > > And you have a problem about my using terms

like "Hair Stylists"

> > > > > and"Hair cutters". Listen I am a genuine

member here who has

> > right to

> > > > > comment. Before you raise a motion of

opposition for me, please

> > prove

> > > > > your genuinity by allowing members to know

your real name, contact

> > > > > particulars and about yourself.

> > > > >

> > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

"axeplex"

> > > > > <axeplex@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunilji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with

you, but since you have

> > > > > raised the issue :

> > > > > >

> > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt

( many times ) and

> > even in

> > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific

basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we

must use a birth time as

> > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a

purticular person as it

> > will

> > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have

written my name,

> > there is no

> > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but

to make it a healthy

> > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with

comments like "hair

> > cutting",

> > > > > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think

this group is a hair

> > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall

we discuss

> > privately on

> > > > > your mail id.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My responses may take time....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regds

> > > > > > Dev

> > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

"Sunil"

> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write

up

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for

the whole l grp and not

> > as a

> > > > > reply

> > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in

intented here -so pardon me in

> > > > > case of

> > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i

know u r such a good

> > person )

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our

frnds in grp ) was this

> > --- when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs

in results what we wil

> > take ??

> > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi (

varahahora ,dasadhyayi

> > etc ) and

> > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime

by observing omens ,the

> > events

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > tallying with the events happening

happend during the time

> > of birth

> > > > > (

> > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is

known as prasutika adyaya

> > ) .So

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > question of correctness of birth

chart is not a problem for old

> > > > > learned

> > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how

many Lamps where used ,how many

> > > > > > > midwifes present their age

,appearance and dress etc to the oil

> > > > > consumed

> > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of

prasutika graha ( the

> > delivery room

> > > > > etc

> > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then

there is Tatwa -antar tawa

> > methods

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning

,so even if reported

> > birth time

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking

some questions .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in

diffrnt places like under a

> > tree or

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But Here we must understand the

prashna employed in kerala

> > is not

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly

prashna used in rising sign

> > or udaya

> > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many

astrologers which rising

> > sign will

> > > > > b 2

> > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can

see they r groping in

> > dark and

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a

numbr or in case of

> > emergency the

> > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i

can say this method has more

> > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is

more able and efficient

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know

being a keralite has various

> > methods

> > > > > > > and application and implications

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and

brought up in temple town of

> > > > > culture

> > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very

well aware of this

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who

nevr consults any chart

> > but they

> > > > > > > just giv out results including what

for u came and its

> > future effect

> > > > > > > ,results and in case of any

hindrance to ur problems they

> > prescribe

> > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of

max 30 minits .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming

ceremony in delhi .one man

> > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala

and a astrologer .i said yes

> > > > > ,then

> > > > > > > he described an event what happened

in his life

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his

wife also ) and he went to

> > attent

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > official function of doctors in

kerala ,calicut as he was office

> > > > > bearer

> > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn (

i think indian medical

> > > > > assossiation

> > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor

frnd and that frnd is a

> > nativ of

> > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his

frnd told him that he

> > need to

> > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this

sardarji said u can go ahead

> > and i

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas

..then on insistance of the frnd

> > > > > doctor

> > > > > > > he also went along and after the

consultancy over the frnd

> > asked him

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u

hav any questions .He was not

> > > > > willing

> > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a

trial but he was not

> > having any

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont

know the position of moon

> > or moon

> > > > > sign

> > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he

knows only the day of

> > birth of

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > kids .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i

wanted to know future of My

> > eldest

> > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of

cowdies told him that u

> > wanted

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist

and she also wanted to b

> > so ,but

> > > > > she

> > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in

Gynacology .and mind it

> > those

> > > > > days

> > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th

,and after she got into

> > MBBS when

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud

not got into the purticular

> > > > > stream

> > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > all this prediction came true and

Now the Doctor is worrying

> > why did

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of

Life

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old

astrologer is No more

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna

<kowri prashna , Tamboola

> > prashna

> > > > > etc

> > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many

other parts of india and

> > may b in

> > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such

astrologers rarely .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so we must understand that all

prashna need not b for a

> > purticular

> > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp

ashta mangala prashna ) they r

> > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to

know complete well

> > being of a

> > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont

bother to consult any Birth

> > > > > charts

> > > > > > > individualy but declare results

independently for each memebr in

> > > > > family

> > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint

families there may b

> > 100 to 300

> > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu

families .( I read in some

> > Mag in a

> > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji

that shri KN rao Ji

> > conducted such

> > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for

almost 7 days ( a single

> > prashna )

> > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person

attented in the prashna

> > and the

> > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud

able to pin point many

> > of the

> > > > > events

> > > > > > > very well in advance even without

Knowing or asking the

> > details he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in

doing such prashna there

> > will b 2

> > > > > grps

> > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the

prashna and other who is

> > > > > arguing

> > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b

quoting with pramana 's

> > and hora s

> > > > > --

> > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style

of announcing i blv this

> > or i

> > > > > > > invented this -here in some

net forums when we ask abt

> > > > > efficacy

> > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing (

even the the so called

> > moderators

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and

they will try to brand u as

> > > > > trouble

> > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in

kerala it is part of

> > tradition .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in

prvt ( many times ) and

> > even in

> > > > > grp

> > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of

prashna

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific

basis of horoscopy -Jataka-

> > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and

why we must use a birth

> > time as

> > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future

of a purticular person as it

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > only leads to further healthy

discussion .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but

due to lack of time ,let me

> > > > > conclud

> > > > > > > here

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>,

> > venkatachala pathi

> > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise

named as 'Horary' astrology) is

> > > > > primarily

> > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology

to find outÂ the events in

> > > > > one's

> > > > > > > life or to know in advance the

result of one's attempts or

> > action,

> > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of

events and resultes of

> > Natal's

> > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and

exact, to arrive at the

> > > > > 'results'

> > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in

general.Â In Indian school of

> > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was

practiced even before

> > Standard Time

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There

were and are errors in

> > giving

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by

the attendants, while a

> > few give

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - timeÂ of

appearance ofÂ head or

> > > > > part

> > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of

whole body of the child is

> > removed

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do

exist between the time

> > given by a

> > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me

that she was told by her

> > mother

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came

to deliver milk in theÂ

> > > > > > > > morning!!). InÂ such cases an

astrologer cannot relay on the

> > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twinsÂ are born the

time difference to 'second'

> > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > important to studyÂ the birth chart

of both children, as few

> > > > > > > minutesÂ close to each other, could

deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â

> > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At

same time, the position ofÂ

> > > > > Planets

> > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids areÂ

not changed. There you will

> > > > > note

> > > > > > > 'predictive side' of chartsÂ mostlyÂ

become complecated as 'at

> > > > > > > face' become same.Â It is not so

when you actually 'thread'

> > their

> > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana

astrology, to 'trace' a

> > > > > perticular

> > > > > > > event for one of the children,

become handy for an Astrologer to

> > > > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event.

This method will 'shorten' to

> > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' onÂ 'event,

as compared to time consuming

> > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master

this method taking the

> > moment of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > judgement, toÂ correct the subtle

difference in the birth

> > charts,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > predict result also with amazing

accuracy. The methods are

> > simple

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more

confident in months and

> > years

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > practice to arrive at right

results.Â Say, this could help to

> > > > > find

> > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a

house'Â more nearÂ to

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > date, than looking through

calculations under half-a- dozen

> > > > > acceptedÂ

> > > > > > > Dasha Methods.Â Similarly, this

helps to arrive atÂ possible

> > > > > date

> > > > > > > of marriage orÂ of aÂ child birth or

success in an Election

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > more practicalÂ and immediate events

for whichÂ instant

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > are required.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made

available by great

> > Astrologer Guru

> > > > > > > ShriÂ Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology

had taken many Astrologers

> > > > > near

> > > > > > > to correct predictionsÂ for solvingÂ

subtle 'event questions'

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > accurate solutions.Â Further, great

experts exist and practice

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries

in this method of

> > Astrology.

> > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base

and route to correct

> > > > > 'Predictive

> > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packedÂ

with a large space of hues,

> > > > > while

> > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduceÂ such space.

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,Â Â

> > > > > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > > >

> > <%40>

> > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010

8:20:36 PM

> > > > > > > > Re:

Re: Jataka and

> > Prashna -

> > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > > > > > Your comments are of an

experienced person.

> > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion

on some topic; on a public

> > forum

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > aÂ privilege of every member butÂ

ending the discussion on the

> > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > > > > > So until and unless some

conclusion is reached at;- the topic

> > > > > remains

> > > > > > > open for deliberations as such,

members are free to stopÂ their

> > > > > > > observations but dictates to end

discussions without conclusion

> > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensibleÂ group.

> > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45

PM, S.C. Kursija sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > > > > com>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > > > > > >I happened to read the

dicussion on Natal and Horary

> > chart today.

> > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over

still I like to submit

> > that the

> > > > > natal

> > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the

native and Hoaray chart is

> > for the

> > > > > > > particular question only. It can not

discuss the whole life

> > of the

> > > > > > > native.

> > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char

has imprtance over Nastal char

> > in some

> > > > > > > sphere such as who will win?Â When I

receive the guest? When my

> > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.

> > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10,

axeplex axeplex > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>axeplex

axeplex >

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>Subject:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and

> > Prashna -

> > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_

astrology

> > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March

13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>Â

> > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But

this is not written by me but written in

> > > > > Prashna

> > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the

stanzas. There are two

> > thoughts or

> > > > > ways:

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but

then you can not close your eyes and

> > accept

> > > > > what

> > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this

case, one can not come

> > back with

> > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is

written in Prashna marg that

> > > > > horoary

> > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above

natal chart.

> > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your

ideals and what book says.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>Both types of people

exist and are requird to run this

> > society.

> > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already

closed this discussion, so expect

> > the same

> > > > > > > from you.

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>regds

> > > > > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_

astrology,

> > "Lalkitab"

> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be

Practical, Why would a person with such

> > > > > capabilities

> > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing

horoscopes for others.

> > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person

who attains such a stage would

> > pursue his

> > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you

will have to study the procedure of

> > being a

> > > > > > > Tirthankar.

> > > > > > > > >>> Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >>> --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > "axeplex"

> > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you

have written, I personally agree from

> > point of

> > > > > view

> > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for

bringing this. I really mean it.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you

are referring to Prashna Marg, here

> > are slokas

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last

sentence of sloka 18):

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15.

âEUR" That person, who has mastery of this

> > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of

mathematics who leads a

> > > > > religious

> > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free

from conceit and who is well

> > > > > versed

> > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras,

he alone can be called a

> > > > > Daivajnya or

> > > > > > > seer.

> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16.

âEUR" All the predictions made by such a

> > person

> > > > > > > will come true and will never be

false. The learned support this

> > > > > > > statement.

> > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18.

âEUR" He who has acquired a thorough

> > knowledge

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept

in the five siddhantas,

> > who has

> > > > > > > inferential ability and who is

initiated into a secret

> > mantra by a

> > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let

us leave this discussion. Already had

> > enough.

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > Kulbir

> > > > > Bains

> > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear

Dev, don't get entangled in words, consider the

> > > > > spirit,

> > > > > > > whenever the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > divine

scheme considers that the individual should get

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > guidance,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna

comes a handy tool, only this part is divine.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing

to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir

bains.

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri,

Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex

> > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. But

> > when it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > KP Horary,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I

> > know)(You

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > refer to KP

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > In

KP horary, a number is chosen by native that

> > fixes

> > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

significators of an event are chosen from this

> > chart.

> > > > > Then

> > > > > > > Ruling planets

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > are

taken from the normal chart of that time

> > (not native

> > > > > > > chart). Common

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

planets are decided based on the two.

> > Vimshottari Dasa

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > studied, a period

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > is

chosen based on the shortlisted planets and then

> > > > > within

> > > > > > > that period,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > But

in any case, I would not be the best person to

> > > > > comment

> > > > > > > on KP and you

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

need to cross check it.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

Yes, divine power association for prasna can be

> > > > > understood

> > > > > > > but "Aj de taim

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde

> > ne. Te

> > > > > kinne

> > > > > > > astrloger ne

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar

> > samhita)

> > > > > jeende

> > > > > > > ne)

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > ---

In ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology%

40. com>,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give paramount

> > > > > importance

> > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

planetary positions in the natal chart to

> > coincide with

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > planetary

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

position when the prashan chart is erected. Kindly

> > > > > correct

> > > > > > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by

> > something

> > > > > > > divine.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:

> > Jataka and

> > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology%

40. com>

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Ã,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Sreenadhji,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg

> > prefers

> > > > > horary

> > > > > > > but what is

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > the

logic behind it? What is scientific basis of

> > this?

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > is my question.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

Moreover, if we say there is divine power associated

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > it, then person

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > has

to be equally spiritual. And how many of

> > such people

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > there in this

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

world?

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> regds

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> Dev

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > com,

> > > > > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying

> > to point

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > is one of the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > * When Natal chart and Prashna result differs

> > > > > PRASHNA

> > > > > > > should be given

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > importance and weightage (and not Natal

> > chart - i.e.

> > > > > > > Jataka)!

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga

> > and that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > one of the

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > pillar thoughts on which the whole text prashna

> > > > > marga

> > > > > > > stands - and

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > numerous scholars miss this very important

> > advice

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > by Prashna

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And

> > there is

> > > > > very

> > > > > > > good scope for

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > informative discussion, if someone try to

> > address

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > question - "WHY

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is

> > > > > available in

> > > > > > > Prashnamarga

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > itself).

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is unaware of the

> > > > > > > intricate pointers

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > based on traditional astrology and knowledge

> > Sunil

> > > > > ji

> > > > > > > provides.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > . com,

> > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > Sir, a wild guess;//ÃfâEURs( the period is bad

> > > > > > > according to birthchart

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > //prashna ÃfâEURs( revealed the period is

> > > > > > > bestÃfâEURs( //

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and

> > > > > prashana

> > > > > > > ÃfâEURs( indications

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > are correct.

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > Regards

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > Kulbir Bains

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March 17, 2010

Dear Devisingh ji,

//Can answer only in two words 'Siksha and Dharma'Explanation may not required for People like your god self (who know Daharma).......... That will be for other Modern People (who know Siksha) //

Who are those modern people here for whom explanation is required ????????

And are these people not knowing Dharma ????? ...........!!! as per your above statement ????

What qualifies you to judge the others in this manner ?????

//People may not believe that Prediction is Art......same time they may believe that calculation can deliver Results without practical.....but they may not know what college Math convey when specific data and lots probability are there ...calculations does not remains more and they become Predictions...more like Probability in other way :)//

We do not know actually what College Maths conveys even after having attended College for full term. Please explain what it actually conveys... We are looking for this explanation since last few months from you.//Science Fragmented stream and finally ... Chemistry is no more Chemistry it become Electro chemistry/Nuclear Chemistry...etc.......As they fragmented finally got that Physics can not be separated from Chemistry and Biology completely.......what all appear as Standalone/separate are inter connected in some or other way very deeply.....//

If You are talking to denote astrology, yes then we know these basics that Astrology, Astronomy and Maths are combioned and parts of Jyotish Vedanga. Are you trying to tell us something new ? Then we have not understood what you are trying to say. //Everything is United in this worlds.....Everything is Divine and God ....!!!//

If everything is United and God, then why do you find some people Dharmic and others only as Shikshit and adharmic ??? Why dont you see "Divine and God" in all ???

regards,

Bhaskar.

, devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:>> Dear Vijay JI,> > I can answer only in two words 'Siksha and Dharma'> > Explanation may not required for People like your god self (who know > Daharma).......... That will be for other Modern People (who know Siksha)> People may not believe that Prediction is Art......same time they may > believe that calculation can deliver Results without practical.....but > they may not know what college Math convey when specific data and lots > probability are there ...calculations does not remains more and they > become Predictions...more like Probability in other way > > Science Fragmented stream and finally ... Chemistry is no more Chemistry > it become Electro chemistry/Nuclear Chemistry...etc.......As they > fragmented finally got that Physics can not be separated from Chemistry > and Biology completely.......what all appear as Standalone/separate are > inter connected in some or other way very deeply.....> > Everything is United in this worlds.....Everything is Divine and God ....!!!> ------------------> Regards,> Devisingh> > > vijay.goel wrote:> > > >> > Dear Devi Singh Ji,> >> > Hare Rama Krsna,> >> > //i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern science > > says with proof and book reference//> >> > I will love to see it and appreciate it. > >> > I believe 'Prediction' is pure Art, it is a beautiful Song where > > 'Rhythmic Notes', the flow is given by Sun, 'Sweetness' of voice, > > music is added by Moon, and 'Purity' [of thoughts, natural laws,] of > > poem is an attributes of Jupiter. > > All other acts (like Mars - logical, Mercury - intelligence, etc) are > > just 'Preparation' for the 'Prediction' like all artist and technician > > assemble in the recording room. All are important for every final > > output , action or event [prediction \ song ] in life, is covered by > > all nine planets jointly.> >> > All sciences ends in Art.> >> > Just a thought thankyou,> >> > Best Wishes,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> >> > , devisigh > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Vijay JI,> > >> > > I Love to contribute Astrology in My way.....nobody Dare to say It is> > > not working (i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern> > > science says with proof and book reference)...it takes its own time > > with> > > God Grace..> > >> > > --who live Contradictions ...can come up above all contradictions...> > > ------------------> > > Regards,> > > Devisingh> > >> > >> > > vijay.goel wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear DeviSinghji,> > > >> > > > I will support Kulbhir Bhai, Please give it a try.> > > > We might get benefited from you.> > > >> > > > Thankyou,> > > > Best Wishes,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > Jaipur.> > > >> > > > > > > > <%40>, "Lalkitab"> > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Devi Singh ji,> > > > > Lalkitab has provided a table for annual transit of planets upto > > 120> > > > years. I have seen best of mathematicians, software engineers,> > > > astrologers etc. trying to decode the formula but with no success.> > > > kindly give it a try.> > > > > Regards> > > > > Kulbir Bains.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > <%40>, devisigh> > > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar JI,> > > > > >> > > > > > I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of Science,Computer> > > > > > Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc )> > > > > > (if anybody want can reach to my home through google my> > > > > > profile/data/cell everything is there on Net)......If anybody > > want> > > > else> > > > > > info i am ready to give.....> > > > > >> > > > > > Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though that was not> > > > > > intention.....sharing has to be taken as wealth of thoughts for> > > > benefit> > > > > > of astrology....> > > > > >> > > > > > Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is different Person on this > > forum.....> > > > > >> > > > > > You have pointed out that leakage tank example and higher math > > those> > > > > > article was from me .....i left those not to trouble much > > others....> > > > > > Everything with me and working silently for benefit of astrology> > > > but not> > > > > > to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i have ...just wait for> > > > season> > > > > > to come in astrology......> > > > > >> > > > > > All connected via group are friend and working for Astrology that> > > > i can> > > > > > take granted from this group and being them consider friend is> > > > good (at> > > > > > least Human are pron to err)> > > > > > As a senior you and other are always respected....everybody have> > > > to live> > > > > > together in forum same as roof of god that is beauty.....> > > > > > If everything is predicted then no room for not > > predicted.....life is> > > > > > like River it has flow...without flow in astrology It prone to> > > > Death....> > > > > >> > > > > > If anybody have any query from my post i can answer those because> > > > i am> > > > > > not posting without working from myside first....> > > > > >> > > > > > -I pray to God he will help to come out you from Bad health...> > > > > > ------------------> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Talk to me directly.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You are the only one who has wasted time of so many members to> > > > the tune> > > > > > > of not hours, but days in senseless discussions. You make claims> > > > > > > constantly but when anyone asks you for some anaylsis or inputs,> > > > > > > everytime you search for escape routes and excuses, and never> > > > return for> > > > > > > those Queries but come back with some other senseless> > > > discussion. You> > > > > > > are just like that persdon advising in a gentry of Haircutters> > > > about how> > > > > > > to cut hair, which example was specially meant for you.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And stop sending mails on my personal id. I dont want to > > read any> > > > > > > rubbish filth nor are you so important enough to enable a reply> > > > from me.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You dont know the basics of astrology, why are you wasting > > time of> > > > > > > respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who have lots of > > pearls to> > > > > > > display, but displaying before..... And you want healthy> > > > discussions ?> > > > > > > On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings which nobody can> > > > > > > understand ? Except another fake id like yours which will > > come up to> > > > > > > praise you ? You want to discuss on how water leakage froma > > tank> > > > can be> > > > > > > predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we are asking you> > > > since last> > > > > > > 3 months to show, discuss, produce, demonstrate and support and> > > > > > > authenticate your claims, but you are talking senseless all the> > > > times> > > > > > > and commenting on others comments ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You say that your responses will take time ? Do you know> > > > anything att> > > > > > > all to respond by the way ? As usual you will expect people to> > > > forget> > > > > > > this and come back again with something silly and want > > people to> > > > listen> > > > > > > to you, which you will call as "Healthy discussion". Thank God> > > > at least> > > > > > > I have not wasted my time with such healthy discussions in > > last few> > > > > > > weeks with you.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > And you have a problem about my using terms like "Hair Stylists"> > > > > > > and"Hair cutters". Listen I am a genuine member here who has> > > > right to> > > > > > > comment. Before you raise a motion of opposition for me, please> > > > prove> > > > > > > your genuinity by allowing members to know your real name, > > contact> > > > > > > particulars and about yourself.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > <%40>, "axeplex"> > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sunilji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since > > you have> > > > > > > raised the issue :> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and> > > > even in> > > > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy > > -Jataka-> > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth > > time as> > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person > > as it> > > > will> > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name,> > > > there is no> > > > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a > > healthy> > > > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like "hair> > > > cutting",> > > > > > > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group is a > > hair> > > > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss> > > > privately on> > > > > > > your mail id.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My responses may take time....> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > <%40>, "Sunil"> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and > > not> > > > as a> > > > > > > reply> > > > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so > > pardon me in> > > > > > > case of> > > > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good> > > > person )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was this> > > > --- when> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we wil> > > > take ??> > > > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi> > > > etc ) and> > > > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens ,the> > > > events> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the time> > > > of birth> > > > > > > (> > > > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika adyaya> > > > ) .So> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem > > for old> > > > > > > learned> > > > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used > > ,how many> > > > > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to > > the oil> > > > > > > consumed> > > > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the> > > > delivery room> > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar > > tawa> > > > methods> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported> > > > birth time> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like > > under a> > > > tree or> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in kerala> > > > is not> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising sign> > > > or udaya> > > > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which rising> > > > sign will> > > > > > > b 2> > > > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping in> > > > dark and> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of> > > > emergency the> > > > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method > > has more> > > > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and efficient> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has > > various> > > > methods> > > > > > > > > and application and implications> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple > > town of> > > > > > > culture> > > > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any chart> > > > but they> > > > > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its> > > > future effect> > > > > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems they> > > > prescribe> > > > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi > > .one man> > > > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i > > said yes> > > > > > > ,then> > > > > > > > > he described an event what happened in his life> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he > > went to> > > > attent> > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he > > was office> > > > > > > bearer> > > > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian medical> > > > > > > assossiation> > > > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is a> > > > nativ of> > > > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that he> > > > need to> > > > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go > > ahead> > > > and i> > > > > > > dont> > > > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of > > the frnd> > > > > > > doctor> > > > > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the frnd> > > > asked him> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He > > was not> > > > > > > willing> > > > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not> > > > having any> > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of moon> > > > or moon> > > > > > > sign> > > > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of> > > > birth of> > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > kids .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of My> > > > eldest> > > > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him > > that u> > > > wanted> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted to b> > > > so ,but> > > > > > > she> > > > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and > > mind it> > > > those> > > > > > > days> > > > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got into> > > > MBBS when> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the > > purticular> > > > > > > stream> > > > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is > > worrying> > > > why did> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola> > > > prashna> > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india and> > > > may b in> > > > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a> > > > purticular> > > > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna ) > > they r> > > > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well> > > > being of a> > > > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any > > Birth> > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each > > memebr in> > > > > > > family> > > > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may b> > > > 100 to 300> > > > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in some> > > > Mag in a> > > > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji> > > > conducted such> > > > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a single> > > > prashna )> > > > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the prashna> > > > and the> > > > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point many> > > > of the> > > > > > > events> > > > > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the> > > > details he> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna there> > > > will b 2> > > > > > > grps> > > > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other > > who is> > > > > > > arguing> > > > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana 's> > > > and hora s> > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv > > this> > > > or i> > > > > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we ask abt> > > > > > > efficacy> > > > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so called> > > > moderators> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to > > brand u as> > > > > > > trouble> > > > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of> > > > tradition .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times ) and> > > > even in> > > > > > > grp> > > > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy > > -Jataka-> > > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a > > birth> > > > time as> > > > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular > > person as it> > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time > > ,let me> > > > > > > conclud> > > > > > > > > here> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > thanks and with regrds> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > <%40>,> > > > venkatachala pathi> > > > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Sirs,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary' > > astrology) is> > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find outÂ the > > events in> > > > > > > one's> > > > > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts or> > > > action,> > > > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes of> > > > Natal's> > > > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at the> > > > > > > 'results'> > > > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general.Â In Indian > > school of> > > > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before> > > > Standard Time> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors in> > > > giving> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants, while a> > > > few give> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - timeÂ of appearance ofÂ head or> > > > > > > part> > > > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child is> > > > removed> > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the time> > > > given by a> > > > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by her> > > > mother> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in theÂ> > > > > > > > > > morning!!). InÂ such cases an astrologer cannot relay > > on the> > > > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twinsÂ are born the time difference to > > 'second'> > > > > > > becomes> > > > > > > > > important to studyÂ the birth chart of both children, as few> > > > > > > > > minutesÂ close to each other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â> > > > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the > > position ofÂ> > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids areÂ not changed. There you > > will> > > > > > > note> > > > > > > > > 'predictive side' of chartsÂ mostlyÂ become complecated > > as 'at> > > > > > > > > face' become same.Â It is not so when you actually 'thread'> > > > their> > > > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a> > > > > > > perticular> > > > > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an > > Astrologer to> > > > > > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will > > 'shorten' to> > > > > > > arrive> > > > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' onÂ 'event, as compared to time > > consuming> > > > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the> > > > moment of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > judgement, toÂ correct the subtle difference in the birth> > > > charts,> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods are> > > > simple> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months > > and> > > > years> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > practice to arrive at right results.Â Say, this could > > help to> > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house'Â more nearÂ to> > > > > > > correct> > > > > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a- dozen> > > > > > > acceptedÂ> > > > > > > > > Dasha Methods.Â Similarly, this helps to arrive atÂ possible> > > > > > > date> > > > > > > > > of marriage orÂ of aÂ child birth or success in an Election> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > more practicalÂ and immediate events for whichÂ instant> > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > are required.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great> > > > Astrologer Guru> > > > > > > > > ShriÂ Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many > > Astrologers> > > > > > > near> > > > > > > > > to correct predictionsÂ for solvingÂ subtle 'event > > questions'> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > accurate solutions.Â Further, great experts exist and > > practice> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of> > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to correct> > > > > > > 'Predictive> > > > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packedÂ with a large space of > > hues,> > > > > > > while> > > > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduceÂ such space.> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,Â Â> > > > > > > > > > Astrologer,> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and> > > > Prashna -> > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,> > > > > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.> > > > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;> > > > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a > > public> > > > forum> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > aÂ privilege of every member butÂ ending the discussion > > on the> > > > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.> > > > > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;- > > the topic> > > > > > > remains> > > > > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to > > stopÂ their> > > > > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without > > conclusion> > > > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensibleÂ group.> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija > > sckursija (AT) (DOT) > > > > > > > com>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary> > > > chart today.> > > > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to submit> > > > that the> > > > > > > natal> > > > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray > > chart is> > > > for the> > > > > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole life> > > > of the> > > > > > > > > native.> > > > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal char> > > > in some> > > > > > > > > sphere such as who will win?Â When I receive the guest? > > When my> > > > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.> > > > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and> > > > Prashna -> > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Â> > > > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but > > written in> > > > > > > Prashna> > > > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two> > > > thoughts or> > > > > > > ways:> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes > > and> > > > accept> > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come> > > > back with> > > > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg > > that> > > > > > > horoary> > > > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.> > > > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run this> > > > society.> > > > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so expect> > > > the same> > > > > > > > > from you.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>regds> > > > > > > > > > >>Dev> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "Lalkitab"> > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such> > > > > > > capabilities> > > > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> > > > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would> > > > pursue his> > > > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.> > > > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the > > procedure of> > > > being a> > > > > > > > > Tirthankar.> > > > > > > > > > >>> Regards> > > > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree from> > > > point of> > > > > > > view> > > > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really > > mean it.> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here> > > > are slokas> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka 18):> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. âEUR" That person, who has mastery of > > this> > > > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who leads a> > > > > > > religious> > > > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who > > is well> > > > > > > versed> > > > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be called a> > > > > > > Daivajnya or> > > > > > > > > seer.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. âEUR" All the predictions made by such a> > > > person> > > > > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned > > support this> > > > > > > > > statement.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. âEUR" He who has acquired a thorough> > > > knowledge> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five > > siddhantas,> > > > who has> > > > > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret> > > > mantra by a> > > > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had> > > > enough.> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > Kulbir> > > > > > > Bains> > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words, > > consider the> > > > > > > spirit,> > > > > > > > > whenever the> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual > > should get> > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > guidance,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is > > divine.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex> > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time. > > But> > > > when it> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > KP Horary,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I> > > > know)(You> > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > refer to KP> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that> > > > fixes> > > > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from this> > > > chart.> > > > > > > Then> > > > > > > > > Ruling planets> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time> > > > (not native> > > > > > > > > chart). Common> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two.> > > > Vimshottari Dasa> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > studied, a period> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets > > and then> > > > > > > within> > > > > > > > > that period,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best > > person to> > > > > > > comment> > > > > > > > > on KP and you> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be> > > > > > > understood> > > > > > > > > but "Aj de taim> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde> > > > ne. Te> > > > > > > kinne> > > > > > > > > astrloger ne> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar> > > > samhita)> > > > > > > jeende> > > > > > > > > ne)> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give > > paramount> > > > > > > importance> > > > > > > > > to the> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to> > > > coincide with> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > planetary> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected. > > Kindly> > > > > > > correct> > > > > > > > > me if i am wrong.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by> > > > something> > > > > > > > > divine.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > Jataka and> > > > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Ã,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg> > > > prefers> > > > > > > horary> > > > > > > > > but what is> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific > > basis of> > > > this?> > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > is my question.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power > > associated> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > it, then person> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of> > > > such people> > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > there in this> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > world?> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > .> > > > com,> > > > > > > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying> > > > to point> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > is one of the> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result > > differs> > > > > > > PRASHNA> > > > > > > > > should be given> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal> > > > chart - i.e.> > > > > > > > > Jataka)!> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga> > > > and that> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > one of the> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text > > prashna> > > > > > > marga> > > > > > > > > stands - and> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very important> > > > advice> > > > > > > given> > > > > > > > > by Prashna> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And> > > > there is> > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > good scope for> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try to> > > > address> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > question - "WHY> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is> > > > > > > available in> > > > > > > > > Prashnamarga> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is > > unaware of the> > > > > > > > > intricate pointers> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and > > knowledge> > > > Sunil> > > > > > > ji> > > > > > > > > provides.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//ÃfâEURs( the > > period is bad> > > > > > > > > according to birthchart> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna ÃfâEURs( revealed the period is> > > > > > > > > bestÃfâEURs( //> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal and> > > > > > > prashana> > > > > > > > > ÃfâEURs( indications> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New > > > > Optimized IE8.> > > > > > > Get> > > > > > > > > it NOW!> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > http://downloads. / > > in/internetexplo rer/> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >>

March 17, 2010

Dear Bhaskar Ji,

Should i answer your questions??that create more questions...won't help

much....i am avoiding my post unless required

I am not asking questions to anyone related to their understanding of

astrology ...i shared my view can not be taken as personal....i have

not intended to anyone i shared my understanding what i found more

logical and convince to me for answering All

questions......Dharmic,Spiritual,Astrology,Moral...etc

I can say more in these 2 words 'Sav-Bhav' and 'Par-Bhav'/Prabhav

you are not intended anywhere though if you feel that i say sorry from

myside....

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Regards,

Devisingh

Bhaskar wrote:

Dear Devisingh ji,

//Can

answer only in two words 'Siksha and Dharma'

Explanation may not required for People like your god self (who know

Daharma).......... That will be for other Modern People (who know

Siksha) //

Who are those modern

people here for whom explanation is required ????????

And are these people

not knowing Dharma ????? ...........!!! as per your above

statement ????

What qualifies you

to judge the others in this manner ?????

//People may not believe that Prediction is Art......same time they may

believe that calculation can deliver Results without practical.....but

they may not know what college Math convey when specific data and lots

probability are there ...calculations does not remains more and they

become Predictions...more like Probability in other way :)//

We do not know

actually what College Maths conveys even after having attended College

for full term. Please explain what it actually conveys... We are

looking for this explanation since last few months from you.

//Science Fragmented stream and finally ... Chemistry is no

more Chemistry it become Electro chemistry/Nuclear Chemistry...etc.......As

they fragmented finally got that Physics can not be separated from

Chemistry and Biology completely.......what all appear as

Standalone/separate are inter connected in some or other way very

deeply.....//

If You are

talking to denote astrology, yes then we know these basics that

Astrology, Astronomy and Maths are combioned and parts of Jyotish

Vedanga. Are you trying to tell us something new ? Then we have not

understood what you are trying to say.

//Everything is United in this worlds.....Everything is Divine and

God ....!!!//

If everything is

United and God, then why do you find some people Dharmic and others

only as Shikshit and adharmic ??? Why dont you see "Divine and God" in

all ???

regards,

Bhaskar.

,

devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

>

> Dear Vijay JI,

>

> I can answer only in two words 'Siksha and Dharma'

>

> Explanation may not required for People like your god self (who

know

> Daharma).......... That will be for other Modern People (who

know Siksha)

> People may not believe that Prediction is Art......same time they

may

> believe that calculation can deliver Results without practical.....but

> they may not know what college Math convey when specific data and

lots

> probability are there ...calculations does not remains more and

they

> become Predictions...more like Probability in other way

>

> Science Fragmented stream and finally ... Chemistry is no more

Chemistry

> it become Electro chemistry/Nuclear Chemistry...etc.......As

they

> fragmented finally got that Physics can not be separated from

Chemistry

> and Biology completely.......what all appear as

Standalone/separate are

> inter connected in some or other way very deeply.....

>

> Everything is United in this worlds.....Everything is Divine

and God ....!!!

> ------------------

> Regards,

> Devisingh

>

> vijay.goel wrote:

> >

> > Dear Devi Singh Ji,

> >

> > Hare Rama Krsna,

> >

> > //i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern

science

> > says with proof and book reference//

> >

> > I will love to see it and appreciate it.

> >

> > I believe 'Prediction' is pure Art, it is a beautiful Song

where

> > 'Rhythmic Notes', the flow is given by Sun, 'Sweetness' of

voice,

> > music is added by Moon, and 'Purity' [of thoughts, natural

laws,] of

> > poem is an attributes of Jupiter.

> > All other acts (like Mars - logical, Mercury - intelligence,

etc) are

> > just 'Preparation' for the 'Prediction' like all artist and

technician

> > assemble in the recording room. All are important for every

final

> > output , action or event [prediction \ song ] in life, is

covered by

> > all nine planets jointly.

> >

> > All sciences ends in Art.

> >

> > Just a thought thankyou,

> >

> > Best Wishes,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

> > ,

devisigh

> > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vijay JI,

> > >

> > > I Love to contribute Astrology in My way.....nobody Dare

to say It is

> > > not working (i will show how it is working with

mechanism which modern

> > > science says with proof and book reference)...it

takes its own time

> > with

> > > God Grace..

> > >

> > > --who live Contradictions ...can come up above all

contradictions...

> > > ------------------

> > > Regards,

> > > Devisingh

> > >

> > > vijay.goel wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear DeviSinghji,

> > > >

> > > > I will support Kulbhir Bhai, Please give it a try.

> > > > We might get benefited from you.

> > > >

> > > > Thankyou,

> > > > Best Wishes,

> > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > Jaipur.

> > > >

> > > > <%40>,

"Lalkitab"

> > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Devi Singh ji,

> > > > > Lalkitab has provided a table for annual

transit of planets upto

> > 120

> > > > years. I have seen best of mathematicians, software

engineers,

> > > > astrologers etc. trying to decode the formula but

with no success.

> > > > kindly give it a try.

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > >

> > > > <%40>,

devisigh

> > > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Bhaskar JI,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of

Science,Computer

> > > > > > Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc

)

> > > > > > (if anybody want can reach to my home

through google my

> > > > > > profile/data/cell everything is

there on Net)......If anybody

> > want

> > > > else

> > > > > > info i am ready to give.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though

that was not

> > > > > > intention.....sharing has to be

taken as wealth of thoughts for

> > > > benefit

> > > > > > of astrology....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is

different Person on this

> > forum.....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > You have pointed out that leakage tank

example and higher math

> > those

> > > > > > article was from me .....i left those not

to trouble much

> > others....

> > > > > > Everything with me and working silently

for benefit of astrology

> > > > but not

> > > > > > to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i

have ...just wait for

> > > > season

> > > > > > to come in astrology......

> > > > > >

> > > > > > All connected via group are friend and

working for Astrology that

> > > > i can

> > > > > > take granted from this group and being

them consider friend is

> > > > good (at

> > > > > > least Human are pron to err)

> > > > > > As a senior you and other are always

respected....everybody have

> > > > to live

> > > > > > together in forum same as roof of god

that is beauty.....

> > > > > > If everything is predicted then no room

for not

> > predicted.....life is

> > > > > > like River it has flow...without flow in

astrology It prone to

> > > > Death....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If anybody have any query from my post i

can answer those because

> > > > i am

> > > > > > not posting without working from myside

first....

> > > > > >

> > > > > > -I pray to God he will help to come out

you from Bad health...

> > > > > > ------------------

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Devisingh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Talk to me directly.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You are the only one who has wasted

time of so many members to

> > > > the tune

> > > > > > > of not hours, but days in senseless

discussions. You make claims

> > > > > > > constantly but when anyone asks you

for some anaylsis or inputs,

> > > > > > > everytime you search for escape

routes and excuses, and never

> > > > return for

> > > > > > > those Queries but come back with

some other senseless

> > > > discussion. You

> > > > > > > are just like that persdon advising

in a gentry of Haircutters

> > > > about how

> > > > > > > to cut hair, which example was

specially meant for you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And stop sending mails on my

personal id. I dont want to

> > read any

> > > > > > > rubbish filth nor are you so

important enough to enable a reply

> > > > from me.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You dont know the basics of

astrology, why are you wasting

> > time of

> > > > > > > respected members like Shri Sunil

Nairji who have lots of

> > pearls to

> > > > > > > display, but displaying before.....

And you want healthy

> > > > discussions ?

> > > > > > > On what ? On higher mathematics ? On

postings which nobody can

> > > > > > > understand ? Except another fake id

like yours which will

> > come up to

> > > > > > > praise you ? You want to discuss on

how water leakage froma

> > tank

> > > > can be

> > > > > > > predicted ? Then discuss please.

Thats what we are asking you

> > > > since last

> > > > > > > 3 months to show, discuss, produce,

demonstrate and support and

> > > > > > > authenticate your claims, but you

are talking senseless all the

> > > > times

> > > > > > > and commenting on others comments ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > You say that your responses will

take time ? Do you know

> > > > anything att

> > > > > > > all to respond by the way ? As usual

you will expect people to

> > > > forget

> > > > > > > this and come back again with

something silly and want

> > people to

> > > > listen

> > > > > > > to you, which you will call as

"Healthy discussion". Thank God

> > > > at least

> > > > > > > I have not wasted my time with such

healthy discussions in

> > last few

> > > > > > > weeks with you.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > And you have a problem about my

using terms like "Hair Stylists"

> > > > > > > and"Hair cutters". Listen I am a

genuine member here who has

> > > > right to

> > > > > > > comment. Before you raise a motion

of opposition for me, please

> > > > prove

> > > > > > > your genuinity by allowing members

to know your real name,

> > contact

> > > > > > > particulars and about yourself.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Bhaskar.

> > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

"axeplex"

> > > > > > > <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Sunilji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Though I had decided not to

discuss with you, but since

> > you have

> > > > > > > raised the issue :

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked

me in prvt ( many times ) and

> > > > even in

> > > > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis

of prashna

> > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the

sciintific basis of horoscopy

> > -Jataka-

> > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and

why we must use a birth

> > time as

> > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future

of a purticular person

> > as it

> > > > will

> > > > > > > only leads to further healthy

discussion .///

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you

could have written my name,

> > > > there is no

> > > > > > > issue with this. I would discuss

with you but to make it a

> > healthy

> > > > > > > discussion, memebers would not come

with comments like "hair

> > > > cutting",

> > > > > > > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I

don't think this group is a

> > hair

> > > > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this

or shall we discuss

> > > > privately on

> > > > > > > your mail id.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My responses may take time....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regds

> > > > > > > > Dev

> > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

"Sunil"

> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear respected

Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > many thanks for this

beutiful write up

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (pls note that here i am

writing for the whole l grp and

> > not

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > reply

> > > > > > > > > to u only and nothing

personal in intented here -so

> > pardon me in

> > > > > > > case of

> > > > > > > > > anything hurting ur

sentimnts tho i know u r such a good

> > > > person )

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here the question of mine

( or our frnds in grp ) was this

> > > > --- when

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > natal chart and horary

chart differs in results what we wil

> > > > take ??

> > > > > > > > > natal or prashna for

guidance .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > There are many methods in

varahi ( varahahora ,dasadhyayi

> > > > etc ) and

> > > > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify

birthtime by observing omens ,the

> > > > events

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > tallying with the events

happening happend during the time

> > > > of birth

> > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya

which is known as prasutika adyaya

> > > > ) .So

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > question of correctness of

birth chart is not a problem

> > for old

> > > > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > > pundits .even they will

tell how many Lamps where used

> > ,how many

> > > > > > > > > midwifes present their age

,appearance and dress etc to

> > the oil

> > > > > > > consumed

> > > > > > > > > and its nature ,the

direction of prasutika graha ( the

> > > > delivery room

> > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > ) to the nature of

delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar

> > tawa

> > > > methods

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for

further tuning ,so even if reported

> > > > birth time

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by

asking some questions .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > even the lakshana of

delivery in diffrnt places like

> > under a

> > > > tree or

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But Here we must

understand the prashna employed in kerala

> > > > is not

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > prashna in usual sense

..mostly prashna used in rising sign

> > > > or udaya

> > > > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance

to many astrologers which rising

> > > > sign will

> > > > > > > b 2

> > > > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10

visitors u can see they r groping in

> > > > dark and

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to

giv a numbr or in case of

> > > > emergency the

> > > > > > > > > astrologer uses a random

Number --i can say this method

> > has more

> > > > > > > > > relevence provided the

astrolger is more able and efficient

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u

Know being a keralite has

> > various

> > > > methods

> > > > > > > > > and application and

implications

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and

born and brought up in temple

> > town of

> > > > > > > culture

> > > > > > > > > capital of kerala i think

u r very well aware of this

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > In Kerala there is

astrologers who nevr consults any chart

> > > > but they

> > > > > > > > > just giv out results

including what for u came and its

> > > > future effect

> > > > > > > > > ,results and in case of

any hindrance to ur problems they

> > > > prescribe

> > > > > > > > > remedies too all within a

span of max 30 minits .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > once i was attenting a

house warming ceremony in delhi

> > .one man

> > > > > > > > > approached me asking r u

frm kerala and a astrologer .i

> > said yes

> > > > > > > ,then

> > > > > > > > > he described an event what

happened in his life

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > He is a sardar and a

doctor ( his wife also ) and he

> > went to

> > > > attent

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > official function of

doctors in kerala ,calicut as he

> > was office

> > > > > > > bearer

> > > > > > > > > of delhi chapter of

doctors assssn ( i think indian medical

> > > > > > > assossiation

> > > > > > > > > ) and he was staying with

a doctor frnd and that frnd is a

> > > > nativ of

> > > > > > > > > kerala .after the function

over his frnd told him that he

> > > > need to

> > > > > > > > > consult one astrologer and

this sardarji said u can go

> > ahead

> > > > and i

> > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda

viswas .then on insistance of

> > the frnd

> > > > > > > doctor

> > > > > > > > > he also went along and

after the consultancy over the frnd

> > > > asked him

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > consult this astrologer in

case u hav any questions .He

> > was not

> > > > > > > willing

> > > > > > > > > and finaly he decided to

go for a trial but he was not

> > > > having any

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > details accurate or even

he dont know the position of moon

> > > > or moon

> > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > of any memebr of his

family tho he knows only the day of

> > > > birth of

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > kids .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > So he said to astrologer

that i wanted to know future of My

> > > > eldest

> > > > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her

education

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > The astrologer just with

the help of cowdies told him

> > that u

> > > > wanted

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone

specialist and she also wanted to b

> > > > so ,but

> > > > > > > she

> > > > > > > > > will become a doctor

specialising in Gynacology .and

> > mind it

> > > > those

> > > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > his daughter was studying

in 10th ,and after she got into

> > > > MBBS when

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > need of specialisation

came she cud not got into the

> > purticular

> > > > > > > stream

> > > > > > > > > she wanted and final

option was gynac

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > all this prediction came

true and Now the Doctor is

> > worrying

> > > > why did

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > he asked abt his other

aspects of Life

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But after all this yrs the

old astrologer is No more

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala

prashna <kowri prashna , Tamboola

> > > > prashna

> > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > etc which is not practised

in many other parts of india and

> > > > may b in

> > > > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such

astrologers rarely .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so we must understand that

all prashna need not b for a

> > > > purticular

> > > > > > > > > questions and many prashna

( esp ashta mangala prashna )

> > they r

> > > > > > > > > conducting in some places

annualy to know complete well

> > > > being of a

> > > > > > > > > family .here also

astrologers dont bother to consult any

> > Birth

> > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > individualy but declare

results independently for each

> > memebr in

> > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > and we know during the

time of Joint families there may b

> > > > 100 to 300

> > > > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided

Hindu families .( I read in some

> > > > Mag in a

> > > > > > > > > article written by shri KN

rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji

> > > > conducted such

> > > > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which

lasted for almost 7 days ( a single

> > > > prashna )

> > > > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40

person attented in the prashna

> > > > and the

> > > > > > > > > astrologer who done the

prashna cud able to pin point many

> > > > of the

> > > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > > very well in advance even

without Knowing or asking the

> > > > details he

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > predicting it ),and

generaly in doing such prashna there

> > > > will b 2

> > > > > > > grps

> > > > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is

doing the prashna and other

> > who is

> > > > > > > arguing

> > > > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt

shud b quoting with pramana 's

> > > > and hora s

> > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > Not the usual net

forum style of announcing i blv

> > this

> > > > or i

> > > > > > > > > invented this -here in

some net forums when we ask abt

> > > > > > > efficacy

> > > > > > > > > of the methods some one

pushing ( even the the so called

> > > > moderators

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their

position and they will try to

> > brand u as

> > > > > > > trouble

> > > > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit

and in kerala it is part of

> > > > tradition .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > One of our grp memebr

asked me in prvt ( many times ) and

> > > > even in

> > > > > > > grp

> > > > > > > > > asking abt the scientific

basis of prashna

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the

sciintific basis of horoscopy

> > -Jataka-

> > > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he

knows and why we must use a

> > birth

> > > > time as

> > > > > > > > > pivotal point in

considering future of a purticular

> > person as it

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > only leads to further

healthy discussion .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i hav so many things to

write but due to lack of time

> > ,let me

> > > > > > > conclud

> > > > > > > > > here

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sunil nair

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>,

> > > > venkatachala pathi

> > > > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Prashna astrology

(otherwise named as 'Horary'

> > astrology) is

> > > > > > > primarily

> > > > > > > > > enshrined in the school of

astrology to find outÂ the

> > events in

> > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > life or to know in advance

the result of one's attempts or

> > > > action,

> > > > > > > > > momentarily to gain

'direction' of events and resultes of

> > > > Natal's

> > > > > > > > > reaction, which could be

minute and exact, to arrive at the

> > > > > > > 'results'

> > > > > > > > > deducted under Natal

Astrology in general.Â In Indian

> > school of

> > > > > > > > > astrology, Prashna

Astrology was practiced even before

> > > > Standard Time

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > introduced (1st January

1906). There were and are errors in

> > > > giving

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > correct time of birth of a

child by the attendants, while a

> > > > few give

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' -

timeÂ of appearance ofÂ head or

> > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > of body. A few note the

time of whole body of the child is

> > > > removed

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > that of the mother.

Differences do exist between the time

> > > > given by a

> > > > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One

told me that she was told by her

> > > > mother

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > she was born when the milk

man came to deliver milk in theÂ

> > > > > > > > > > morning!!). InÂ such

cases an astrologer cannot relay

> > on the

> > > > > > > > > correct time 'given' to

him.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twinsÂ

are born the time difference to

> > 'second'

> > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > important to studyÂ the

birth chart of both children, as few

> > > > > > > > > minutesÂ close to each

other, could deliver 'Eka- pinda' -Â

> > > > > > > > > together with connected

limbs. At same time, the

> > position ofÂ

> > > > > > > Planets

> > > > > > > > > in both Birth charts of

kids areÂ not changed. There you

> > will

> > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > 'predictive side' of

chartsÂ mostlyÂ become complecated

> > as 'at

> > > > > > > > > face' become same.Â It is

not so when you actually 'thread'

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > > individual lives. Here the

Prashana astrology, to 'trace' a

> > > > > > > perticular

> > > > > > > > > event for one of the

children, become handy for an

> > Astrologer to

> > > > > > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given

event. This method will

> > 'shorten' to

> > > > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' onÂ

'event, as compared to time

> > consuming

> > > > > > > > > analysis under Dasha

system.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer,

could master this method taking the

> > > > moment of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > judgement, toÂ correct the

subtle difference in the birth

> > > > charts,

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > predict result also with

amazing accuracy. The methods are

> > > > simple

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > could help an Astrologer

become more confident in months

> > and

> > > > years

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > practice to arrive at

right results.Â Say, this could

> > help to

> > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > an answer 'when one will

purchase a house'Â more nearÂ to

> > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > date, than looking through

calculations under half-a- dozen

> > > > > > > acceptedÂ

> > > > > > > > > Dasha Methods.Â Similarly,

this helps to arrive atÂ possible

> > > > > > > date

> > > > > > > > > of marriage orÂ of aÂ

child birth or success in an Election

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > more practicalÂ and

immediate events for whichÂ instant

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > are required.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > The latest

'prescriptions' made available by great

> > > > Astrologer Guru

> > > > > > > > > ShriÂ Krishnamoorthy in KP

Astrology had taken many

> > Astrologers

> > > > > > > near

> > > > > > > > > to correct predictionsÂ

for solvingÂ subtle 'event

> > questions'

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > accurate solutions.Â

Further, great experts exist and

> > practice

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > success in Kerala for many

centuries in this method of

> > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > > > However, Natal astrology

is the base and route to correct

> > > > > > > 'Predictive

> > > > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum

packedÂ with a large space of

> > hues,

> > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduceÂ

such space.

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,Â Â

> > > > > > > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > <%40>

> > > > > > > > > > Sun, March 14,

2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > > > > > > > > Re:

Re: Jataka and

> > > > Prashna -

> > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when

and why?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > > > > > > > Your comments are of

an experienced person.

> > > > > > > > > > Here i would like to

add that;

> > > > > > > > > > I think initiating a

discussion on some topic; on a

> > public

> > > > forum

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > aÂ privilege of every

member butÂ ending the discussion

> > on the

> > > > > > > > > topic depends upon the

conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > So until and unless

some conclusion is reached at;-

> > the topic

> > > > > > > remains

> > > > > > > > > open for deliberations as

such, members are free to

> > stopÂ their

> > > > > > > > > observations but dictates

to end discussions without

> > conclusion

> > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a

sensibleÂ group.

> > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010

at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija

> > sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > > > > > > com>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >I happened to

read the dicussion on Natal and Horary

> > > > chart today.

> > > > > > > > > Though the discusion has

been over still I like to submit

> > > > that the

> > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > char is for the whole life

of the native and Hoaray

> > chart is

> > > > for the

> > > > > > > > > particular question only.

It can not discuss the whole life

> > > > of the

> > > > > > > > > native.

> > > > > > > > > > >Secondly the

horary char has imprtance over Nastal char

> > > > in some

> > > > > > > > > sphere such as who will

win?Â When I receive the guest?

> > When my

> > > > > > > > > servant will come back?

etc.

> > > > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >--- On Sat,

3/13/10, axeplex axeplex > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>axeplex

axeplex >

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>Subject:

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and

> > > > Prashna -

> > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when

and why?

> > > > > > > > > > >>To:

ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > >>Date:

Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>Â

> > > > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>I am

practical. But this is not written by me but

> > written in

> > > > > > > Prashna

> > > > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented

the stanzas. There are two

> > > > thoughts or

> > > > > > > ways:

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>1. Be

practical but then you can not close your eyes

> > and

> > > > accept

> > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > is written in a book. And

in this case, one can not come

> > > > back with

> > > > > > > > > reference to the book e.g.

it is written in Prashna marg

> > that

> > > > > > > horoary

> > > > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept

above natal chart.

> > > > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick

to your ideals and what book says.

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>Both types of

people exist and are requird to run this

> > > > society.

> > > > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had

already closed this discussion, so expect

> > > > the same

> > > > > > > > > from you.

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>regds

> > > > > > > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > >>--- In

ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > "Lalkitab"

> > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear

Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with such

> > > > > > > capabilities

> > > > > > > > > waste his time in

analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Instead

any person who attains such a stage would

> > > > pursue his

> > > > > > > > > spiritual progress full

throttle.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> For

exceptions you will have to study the

> > procedure of

> > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > Tirthankar.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir

Bains.

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> --- In

ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > "axeplex"

> > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

Whatever you have written, I personally agree from

> > > > point of

> > > > > > > view

> > > > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks

for bringing this. I really

> > mean it.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > I

thought you are referring to Prashna Marg, here

> > > > are slokas

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially

read last sentence of sloka 18):

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

Stanza 15. âEUR" That person, who has mastery of

> > this

> > > > > > > > > science, who has a good

knowledge of mathematics who leads a

> > > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who

is free from conceit and who

> > is well

> > > > > > > versed

> > > > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and

tantras, he alone can be called a

> > > > > > > Daivajnya or

> > > > > > > > > seer.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

Stanza 16. âEUR" All the predictions made by such a

> > > > person

> > > > > > > > > will come true and will

never be false. The learned

> > support this

> > > > > > > > > statement.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

Stanza 18. âEUR" He who has acquired a thorough

> > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the different Horas, who

is an adept in the five

> > siddhantas,

> > > > who has

> > > > > > > > > inferential ability and

who is initiated into a secret

> > > > mantra by a

> > > > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know

horoscopy.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already had

> > > > enough.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > ---

In ancient_indian_ astrology,

> > > > Kulbir

> > > > > > > Bains

> > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words,

> > consider the

> > > > > > > spirit,

> > > > > > > > > whenever the

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> divine scheme considers that the individual

> > should get

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > guidance,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is

> > divine.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> Kulbir bains.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex

> > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time.

> > But

> > > > when it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > KP Horary,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as I

> > > > know)(You

> > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > refer to KP

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native that

> > > > fixes

> > > > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > significators of an event are chosen from this

> > > > chart.

> > > > > > > Then

> > > > > > > > > Ruling planets

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > are taken from the normal chart of that time

> > > > (not native

> > > > > > > > > chart). Common

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > planets are decided based on the two.

> > > > Vimshottari Dasa

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > studied, a period

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets

> > and then

> > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > that period,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > But in any case, I would not be the best

> > person to

> > > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > on KP and you

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > need to cross check it.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > Yes, divine power association for prasna can be

> > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > but "Aj de taim

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar sakde

> > > > ne. Te

> > > > > > > kinne

> > > > > > > > > astrloger ne

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar

> > > > samhita)

> > > > > > > jeende

> > > > > > > > > ne)

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > Dev

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give

> > paramount

> > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > planetary positions in the natal chart to

> > > > coincide with

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > planetary

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > position when the prashan chart is erected.

> > Kindly

> > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated by

> > > > something

> > > > > > > > > divine.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:

> > > > Jataka and

> > > > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_

astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > Ã,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

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> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > Sreenadhji,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > Sorry about this but I am aware Prashnamarg

> > > > prefers

> > > > > > > horary

> > > > > > > > > but what is

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > the logic behind it? What is scientific

> > basis of

> > > > this?

> > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > is my question.

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > Moreover, if we say there is divine power

> > associated

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > it, then person

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of

> > > > such people

> > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > there in this

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > world?

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > regds

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > Dev

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > .

> > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@>

wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is trying

> > > > to point

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > is one of the

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result

> > differs

> > > > > > > PRASHNA

> > > > > > > > > should be given

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal

> > > > chart - i.e.

> > > > > > > > > Jataka)!

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > This is the advice given by Prashna Marga

> > > > and that

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > one of the

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text

> > prashna

> > > > > > > marga

> > > > > > > > > stands - and

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > numerous scholars miss this very important

> > > > advice

> > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > by Prashna

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And

> > > > there is

> > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > good scope for

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > informative discussion, if someone try to

> > > > address

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > question - "WHY

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer is

> > > > > > > available in

> > > > > > > > > Prashnamarga

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > itself).

> > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > >

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dear dev Ji I request u to tell us what is ur crispy ,strght answer for scintific basis of natal astrology dont say planets are cosmic pillars or cosmetic products and prarabda karma and u hav no explanation for both Links ( which sreenadh ji quoted to u b4 and u r reluctant to accept it that time and i am sure that still it is yet 2 b digested to ur system of grey cells )and u r highly vocal in supporting one system against other system (which both r auxillary and which rishies calls as anga ( limbs ) to each other )and u dont know what is what exactly .if u ask me srght away instead of beating the bush i would hav said it what i know and then only the problem of accepting or rejecting would hav come up .Which i will never worry and would hav left it to time ( kala ) to do the rest of the work as some messges will percolate in one's system very very slowly only .where as u decided other way around so explain me what is the basis ,foundation ,science ( how and why and what way it support ) the natal chart and destiny which we call jatakam or birth horoscopy which u know,which u understood .I am repeating this question because depending on level of awareness only we can talk to a person or argue ,otherwise it would b a total waist Dont worry i am asking this questions so many times ,in the long run it will benefit u and that time atleast let me know who u r realy .And i respect u as a person who find narayana dasa working wonderfully and u cud able to decode any chart within no matter of time .rgrds sunil nair , "axeplex" <axeplex wrote:>> Sunilji,> > This is better and straight question.> > //my question is why we need to use such planets in delienating results or birth chart itself ??what is its logic /on what logic /reason we need to use it ??> what is the foundation ( basis ) of it for using such data ??why cant u use some thing else ??//> > Very tricky question and I applaud you for this. All the planets or reference points in astrology are the main pillars of universe, the cosmic bodies. I don't see anything else could have represented it since there is nothing else that collectively changes every moment and is live in universe. (or at least as humans we don't know). Each and every reference point or planets represent certain attributes and there are millions of attributes collectively.> Theoretically, when Jataka is born, there is theory of Karma attached. Human birth happens as per Prarabdha karma at specified time to represent the same. > I am not going into planetary influences from science point of view since I love to study them as reference points.> > regds> Dev> > , "Sunil" astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear dev Ji> > > > u promised me u will tell me scientific basis of natal astrology ,now> > atleast for the time being let us not discuss the astronomy ( then> > discussion may divert to surya sidhantic (kerala version ) kasi/varanasi> > version ,drik paksha ,snake (pampu )paksha ,vakya paksha etc etc for> > ascertaining planets and co ordinates ) and panchanga etc is not part of> > spherical astronomy> > > > my question is why we need to use such planets in delienating results or> > birth chart itself ??what is its logic /on what logic /reason we need to> > use it ??> > > > what is the foundation ( basis ) of it for using such data ??why cant u> > use some thing else ??> > > > hope now it is clear and understandable> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > hope still there is no confusion abt it> > > > , "axeplex" <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Sunilji,> > >> > > If you want me to add astronomy is the base and this that.....ASc/> > Planets/ signs/ panchanga etc. etc., the basic foundation of astrology,> > then what is the point in writing such things. It is up to you, you want> > to waste your time and not. Subject was restarted by you indirectly, I> > had already written that I do not wish to discuss with you or anybody> > with strong ideals.> > >> > > //even when i drink a tea--that time also has all this> > > > qualities ,so where is the logic here //> > >> > > I could not understand it. If a native is born when you are drinking> > tea, definitely it has all those qualities. But if native visits you for> > horary at that time, not necessarily and depends on other factors too.> > >> > > regds,> > > Dev> > >> > > , "Sunil"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > dear dev Ji> > > >> > > > so this is ur understanding abt birth chart .> > > >> > > > in that case even when i drink a tea--that time also has all this> > > > qualities ,so where is the logic here ??> > > >> > > > u hav anything else to say or convey regrding the basis and base of> > > > natal horocopy and on which foundation it is based and its> > scientific> > > > basis ???> > > >> > > > if u r planning to waist my time i may hav to excuse frm this tread> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > , "axeplex"> > <axeplex@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Sunilji,> > > > >> > > > > Leaving blah blah aside, last time you only advised, so I am not> > > > getting distracted what you wrote in the middle. In fact, I skipped> > that> > > > part while reading.> > > > >> > > > > Birth chart is based on when native is born. Yearly chart is based> > > > again related to native birth details and transit charts are the> > > > existing references that would be applied on the native chart. There> > is> > > > a significance since no one else is born with exact planetary> > references> > > > that were existing at the time of birth of a native.> > > > >> > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "Sunil"> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear dev Ji> > > > > >> > > > > > u wrote> > > > > > -> > > > > > (If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday> > > > willing> > > > > > to learn))> > > > > >> > > > > > Pls stick to the norms of discussion ,i was expecting u to> > explain> > > > > > first what is the basis of natal chart as per our agreement .As> > i> > > > know> > > > > > once if u able to say that fact then u urself will hav answers> > for> > > > the> > > > > > discussions under tread which we r doing in grp .Here it is> > > > immaterial> > > > > > for me who supports me or who said what 'cause astrological> > thoughts> > > > > > which laid foundations for astro basics cannot b determined by> > vote> > > > of> > > > > > counting .So dont Look for shoulders to fire on somebody and> > keep> > > > > > firing stght .> > > > > >> > > > > > Again u r saying Horary is using of simple transit chart blah> > blah> > > > > > ,if so then what is birth chart ??can u illuminate me >R we like> > > > ravan> > > > > > Ji has power to command planets to sit in purticular house s (> > > > during> > > > > > the birth of his son IndraJit ) for a birth chart ??> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I expect ppl of ur stature to pr0nounce theories and dictums or> > > > > > sidhantha s in grp discussions only what u digested (> > assimilated> > > > and> > > > > > find it is working which u find over a period of time ) than> > what> > > > is> > > > > > not digested and just vomiting around everything what ever comes> > in> > > > mind> > > > > > or what ever u read in net and grps in the name of> > > > astrology> > > > > > and discussions ( sorry to say this way -after lot of time> > waisting> > > > i> > > > > > still find u hav eagerness to Know ( i dont know if it for> > learning> > > > )> > > > > > but no humbleness to ask plainly which is required for a> > Jyothishi> > > > or> > > > > > student and ur ego is not allowing u to do so too .> > > > > >> > > > > > What i should or some body should understand frm the above> > statemnt> > > > of> > > > > > ur s --is it horary astrology is my invention and i am doing> > some> > > > crime> > > > > > by propogating it and it dont hav any scientific ( sastraic> > )basis> > > > ) ??> > > > > >> > > > > > so pls strt explaining why we shud use Birthcharts for seeing> > the> > > > > > future of a Human being ( let us forget other Living and non> > Living> > > > > > entities at present )and its basis ,what is its philosophical> > > > ,religious> > > > > > ,dharmic basis ?? can U explain How the so called birth chart> > can> > > > > > influence a person tru out his life according to ur own> > > > understanding.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "axeplex"> > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks for your advice Sunilji.> > > > > > > As I have understood "Except that when native visits you, I> > can> > > > not> > > > > > relate anything logically to Horary chart". If there is> > something> > > > > > scientific, it seems more of using present transits or similar> > terms> > > > and> > > > > > applying yearly chart to natal chart. But yes, for some> > questions> > > > like> > > > > > (as Kursija ji wrote) who would win the match, shall I get my> > money> > > > > > back, horary holds upper hand due to its easy application.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am anyday> > > > willing> > > > > > to learn.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "Sunil"> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Dev JI> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > We can discuss in grps abt anything acdemicaly, provided> > we r> > > > > > here for> > > > > > > > sharing exprnces/knowledge ,at times when some body knows> > some> > > > > > thing> > > > > > > > for sure -as good as Lines in his hand he may b stubborn> > and> > > > dont> > > > > > think> > > > > > > > that it is some sort of dry argumnt or arguemnt due to some> > ego> > > > or> > > > > > > > idealism> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > u asked me in prvt and in grp the scientific basis of> > prashna> > > > > > astrology> > > > > > > > and u the No-1 in argeing that prashna is nothing but natal> > > > chart> > > > > > > > prevails .how this both will tally ( what i said was in> > case of> > > > > > results> > > > > > > > of both diffrs then go by prashna than Natal chart again> > that> > > > is> > > > > > > > traditional prashna mostly- it is where astrologers devine> > grace> > > > and> > > > > > > > blessings frm guru and dharma devata s help him )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so if u control urself and come to real mode of discussions> > then> > > > i> > > > > > dont> > > > > > > > think any one will try to hamper ur discussions> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > i used to get many mails frm Kaul camps ,science of> > astrology> > > > > > (actualy> > > > > > > > they want reply in modern physical science terms than> > astrology> > > > > > itself> > > > > > > > is a sastra of its own ) camps ,and even frm self declared> > > > Blessed> > > > > > by> > > > > > > > Ma or this or that camps and persons himself who thinks they> > hav> > > > > > right> > > > > > > > to demolish everything .i used to ignore all this mails due> > to> > > > > > personal> > > > > > > > problems and commitments .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > some one frm last 5 months is senting me a grp CC mail that> > he> > > > > > decoded> > > > > > > > swami vivekanda chart and all the other gurus are farce and> > he> > > > is> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > one selected by Ma as saviour of astrology .And he has many> > > > > > undigested (> > > > > > > > he himself dont know how to appy it ) theorems .even he> > > > mentions my> > > > > > > > name many times in various grps who dont dare to argue with> > him> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so in net world all this is possible .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > if u r in for proper discussions where all of us can learn> > or> > > > > > > > upgrade/update our understanding and Knowledge ,then i dont> > > > think> > > > > > there> > > > > > > > will b distractions ,even if any pls learn to ignore it> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so in the Long run u will find that it was all nothing if u> > r> > > > > > serious> > > > > > > > abt ur approach in grp discussions ( it shud not b Like> > > > declarations> > > > > > > > that narayana dasa is superior and i can show u and then> > vanish> > > > )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so all the best for u and let us strt discussing> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > due to my time limit many days i may not reply u but there> > is so> > > > > > many> > > > > > > > memebrs in our forum and they will also b guiding us> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > with rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "axeplex"> > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sunilji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since> > you> > > > have> > > > > > > > raised the issue :> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times )> > and> > > > even> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy> > > > -Jataka-> > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a birth> > > > time as> > > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person> > as it> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my name,> > > > there is> > > > > > no> > > > > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a> > > > healthy> > > > > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like "hair> > > > > > cutting",> > > > > > > > "hair stylists" etc. At least, I don't think this group is a> > > > hair> > > > > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss> > > > privately> > > > > > on> > > > > > > > your mail id.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My responses may take time....> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , "Sunil"> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp and> > not> > > > as> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > reply> > > > > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so> > pardon> > > > me in> > > > > > > > case of> > > > > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a good> > > > person> > > > > > )> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was> > this> > > > ---> > > > > > when> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what we> > wil> > > > > > take ??> > > > > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora> > ,dasadhyayi> > > > etc )> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens> > ,the> > > > > > events> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the> > time> > > > of> > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > (> > > > > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika> > adyaya> > > > )> > > > > > .So> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a problem> > for> > > > old> > > > > > > > learned> > > > > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used> > ,how> > > > many> > > > > > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc to> > the> > > > oil> > > > > > > > consumed> > > > > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the> > > > delivery> > > > > > room> > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa -antar> > tawa> > > > > > methods> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if reported> > > > birth> > > > > > time> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like> > under a> > > > > > tree or> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in> > kerala> > > > is> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising> > sign> > > > or> > > > > > udaya> > > > > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which> > rising> > > > sign> > > > > > will> > > > > > > > b 2> > > > > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r groping> > in> > > > dark> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of> > > > emergency> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this method> > has> > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and> > efficient> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has> > > > various> > > > > > > > methods> > > > > > > > > > and application and implications> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in temple> > > > town of> > > > > > > > culture> > > > > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any> > chart> > > > but> > > > > > they> > > > > > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its> > > > future> > > > > > effect> > > > > > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems> > they> > > > > > prescribe> > > > > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi> > .one> > > > man> > > > > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer .i> > said> > > > yes> > > > > > > > ,then> > > > > > > > > > he described an event what happened in his life> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he> > went to> > > > > > attent> > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he> > was> > > > office> > > > > > > > bearer> > > > > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian> > medical> > > > > > > > assossiation> > > > > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd is> > a> > > > nativ> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that> > he> > > > need> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go> > ahead> > > > and> > > > > > i> > > > > > > > dont> > > > > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of> > the> > > > frnd> > > > > > > > doctor> > > > > > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the> > frnd> > > > asked> > > > > > him> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions .He> > was> > > > not> > > > > > > > willing> > > > > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not> > > > having> > > > > > any> > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of> > moon> > > > or> > > > > > moon> > > > > > > > sign> > > > > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day of> > > > birth> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > kids .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future of> > My> > > > > > eldest> > > > > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him> > that> > > > u> > > > > > > > wanted to> > > > > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted> > to b> > > > so> > > > > > ,but> > > > > > > > she> > > > > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and> > mind it> > > > > > those> > > > > > > > days> > > > > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got> > into> > > > MBBS> > > > > > when> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the> > > > purticular> > > > > > > > stream> > > > > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is> > worrying> > > > why> > > > > > did> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna ,> > Tamboola> > > > > > prashna> > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of india> > and> > > > may> > > > > > b in> > > > > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for a> > > > > > purticular> > > > > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna )> > > > they r> > > > > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete well> > > > being of> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult any> > > > Birth> > > > > > > > charts> > > > > > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each> > > > memebr in> > > > > > > > family> > > > > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there may> > b> > > > 100 to> > > > > > 300> > > > > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in> > some> > > > Mag> > > > > > in a> > > > > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji> > > > conducted> > > > > > > > such> > > > > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a> > single> > > > > > prashna> > > > > > > > )> > > > > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the> > prashna> > > > and> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point> > many> > > > of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > events> > > > > > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking the> > > > details> > > > > > he> > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna> > there> > > > will b> > > > > > 2> > > > > > > > grps> > > > > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other> > who> > > > is> > > > > > > > arguing> > > > > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana> > 's> > > > and> > > > > > hora s> > > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i blv> > > > this or> > > > > > i> > > > > > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we> > ask> > > > abt> > > > > > > > efficacy> > > > > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so> > called> > > > > > moderators> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to> > brand> > > > u as> > > > > > > > trouble> > > > > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of> > > > tradition> > > > > > .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times )> > and> > > > even> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > grp> > > > > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy> > > > -Jataka-> > > > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a> > birth> > > > > > time as> > > > > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular> > person> > > > as it> > > > > > > > will> > > > > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time> > ,let> > > > me> > > > > > > > conclud> > > > > > > > > > here> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > thanks and with regrds> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > sunil nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ,> > > > venkatachala> > > > > > pathi> > > > > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sirs,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary'> > astrology)> > > > is> > > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find outÂ the> > > > events> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > one's> > > > > > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's attempts> > or> > > > > > action,> > > > > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes> > of> > > > > > Natal's> > > > > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive at> > the> > > > > > > > 'results'> > > > > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general.Â In> > Indian> > > > school> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before> > > > Standard> > > > > > Time> > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are errors> > in> > > > > > giving> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants,> > while a> > > > few> > > > > > give> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - timeÂ of appearance> > ofÂ> > > > head> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > part> > > > > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the child> > is> > > > > > removed> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the> > time> > > > given> > > > > > by a> > > > > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told by> > her> > > > > > mother> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in> > > > theÂ> > > > > > > > > > > morning!!). InÂ such cases an astrologer cannot> > relay> > > > on> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twinsÂ are born the time difference to> > > > 'second'> > > > > > > > becomes> > > > > > > > > > important to studyÂ the birth chart of both children,> > as> > > > few> > > > > > > > > > minutesÂ close to each other, could deliver 'Eka-> > pinda'> > > > > > -Â> > > > > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the> > position> > > > ofÂ> > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids areÂ not changed. There> > you> > > > will> > > > > > > > note> > > > > > > > > > 'predictive side' of chartsÂ mostlyÂ become> > > > complecated as> > > > > > 'at> > > > > > > > > > face' become same.Â It is not so when you actually> > > > 'thread'> > > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to> > 'trace' a> > > > > > > > perticular> > > > > > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an> > > > Astrologer to> > > > > > > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will> > > > 'shorten'> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > arrive> > > > > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' onÂ 'event, as compared to> > time> > > > > > consuming> > > > > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking the> > > > moment> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > judgement, toÂ correct the subtle difference in the> > birth> > > > > > charts,> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods> > are> > > > > > simple> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in months> > and> > > > > > years> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > practice to arrive at right results.Â Say, this> > could> > > > help> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house'Â more> > > > nearÂ to> > > > > > > > correct> > > > > > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a-> > dozen> > > > > > > > acceptedÂ> > > > > > > > > > Dasha Methods.Â Similarly, this helps to arrive> > atÂ> > > > > > possible> > > > > > > > date> > > > > > > > > > of marriage orÂ of aÂ child birth or success in an> > > > > > Election> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > more practicalÂ and immediate events for whichÂ> > > > instant> > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > are required.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great> > > > Astrologer> > > > > > Guru> > > > > > > > > > ShriÂ Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many> > > > > > Astrologers> > > > > > > > near> > > > > > > > > > to correct predictionsÂ for solvingÂ subtle 'event> > > > > > questions'> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > accurate solutions.Â Further, great experts exist> > and> > > > > > practice> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of> > > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to> > correct> > > > > > > > 'Predictive> > > > > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packedÂ with a large space> > of> > > > > > hues,> > > > > > > > while> > > > > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduceÂ such space.> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,Â Â> > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer,> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka and> > > > Prashna> > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,> > > > > > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.> > > > > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;> > > > > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a> > public> > > > > > forum> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > aÂ privilege of every member butÂ ending the> > > > discussion on> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.> > > > > > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;-> > the> > > > topic> > > > > > > > remains> > > > > > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to> > stopÂ> > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without> > > > conclusion> > > > > > > > doesn't> > > > > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensibleÂ group.> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija> > > > sckursija (AT) (DOT) > > > > > > > > com>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and Horary> > > > chart> > > > > > today.> > > > > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to> > submit> > > > that> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > natal> > > > > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray> > chart is> > > > for> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole> > life> > > > of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > native.> > > > > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal> > char> > > > in> > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > sphere such as who will win?Â When I receive the> > guest?> > > > When> > > > > > my> > > > > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.> > > > > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex >> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka and> > > > Prashna> > > > > > -> > > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>Â> > > > > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but> > > > written in> > > > > > > > Prashna> > > > > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two> > > > thoughts> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > ways:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your eyes> > and> > > > > > accept> > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not come> > > > back> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna marg> > > > that> > > > > > > > horoary> > > > > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.> > > > > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run> > this> > > > > > society.> > > > > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so> > expect> > > > the> > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > from you.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>regds> > > > > > > > > > > >>Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > > "Lalkitab"> > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with> > such> > > > > > > > capabilities> > > > > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage would> > > > pursue> > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the> > procedure of> > > > > > being a> > > > > > > > > > Tirthankar.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Regards> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree> > from> > > > point> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > view> > > > > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really> > mean> > > > it.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg,> > here> > > > are> > > > > > slokas> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka> > 18):> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. â€" That person, who has mastery> > of> > > > this> > > > > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who> > leads a> > > > > > > > religious> > > > > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and who> > is> > > > well> > > > > > > > versed> > > > > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be> > called a> > > > > > > > Daivajnya or> > > > > > > > > > seer.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. â€" All the predictions made by> > such> > > > a> > > > > > person> > > > > > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned> > support> > > > this> > > > > > > > > > statement.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. â€" He who has acquired a> > thorough> > > > > > knowledge> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five> > siddhantas,> > > > who> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret> > > > mantra by> > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already> > had> > > > > > enough.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> > com,> > > > > > Kulbir> > > > > > > > Bains> > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words,> > consider> > > > the> > > > > > > > spirit,> > > > > > > > > > whenever the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual> > should> > > > get> > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > guidance,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part is> > > > divine.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of astrologer.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex> > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current time.> > But> > > > > > when it> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > KP Horary,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far as> > I> > > > > > know)(You> > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > refer to KP> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native> > that> > > > > > fixes> > > > > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from> > this> > > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > Then> > > > > > > > > > Ruling planets> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that time> > > > (not> > > > > > native> > > > > > > > > > chart). Common> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two.> > > > Vimshottari> > > > > > Dasa> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > studied, a period> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets> > and> > > > then> > > > > > > > within> > > > > > > > > > that period,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best> > person> > > > to> > > > > > > > comment> > > > > > > > > > on KP and you> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna can> > be> > > > > > > > understood> > > > > > > > > > but "Aj de taim> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar> > sakde> > > > ne.> > > > > > Te> > > > > > > > kinne> > > > > > > > > > astrloger ne> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan (aachaar> > > > > > samhita)> > > > > > > > jeende> > > > > > > > > > ne)> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give> > > > paramount> > > > > > > > importance> > > > > > > > > > to the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to> > > > coincide> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > planetary> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is erected.> > > > Kindly> > > > > > > > correct> > > > > > > > > > me if i am wrong.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated> > by> > > > > > something> > > > > > > > > > divine.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@>> > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > Jataka> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Ã‚> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware> > Prashnamarg> > > > > > prefers> > > > > > > > horary> > > > > > > > > > but what is> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific> > basis of> > > > > > this?> > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > is my question.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power> > > > associated> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > it, then person> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many of> > > > such> > > > > > people> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > there in this> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > world?> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > "sreesog" <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is> > trying> > > > to> > > > > > point> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > is one of the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e. -> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result> > > > differs> > > > > > > > PRASHNA> > > > > > > > > > should be given> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not Natal> > > > chart -> > > > > > i.e.> > > > > > > > > > Jataka)!> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna> > Marga> > > > and> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > one of the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole text> > > > prashna> > > > > > > > marga> > > > > > > > > > stands - and> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very> > important> > > > > > advice> > > > > > > > given> > > > > > > > > > by Prashna> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that. And> > > > there> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > good scope for> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try> > to> > > > > > address> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > question - "WHY> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so?" (the answer> > is> > > > > > > > available in> > > > > > > > > > Prashnamarga> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is> > unaware of> > > > the> > > > > > > > > > intricate pointers> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and> > knowledge> > > > > > Sunil> > > > > > > > ji> > > > > > > > > > provides.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > .> > > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//Ãƒâ€š the> > period> > > > is> > > > > > bad> > > > > > > > > > according to birthchart> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna Ãƒâ€š revealed the> > period is> > > > > > > > > > bestÃƒâ€š //> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both natal> > and> > > > > > > > prashana> > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š indications> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New > > > > Optimized> > > > > > IE8.> > > > > > > > Get> > > > > > > > > > it NOW!> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > http://downloads. /> > in/internetexplo> > > > rer/> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

March 17, 2010

Sunilji,

In this case, I would better like to be in position of receiving. You may please

reveal how you understand and I would better be in a position to accept or

reject or argue. But I assure you my response will be without any bias and would

come straight from both heart and brain.

Also, please don't think it otherwise, since you asked me who am I really.

Actually I am fed up of this question. Why don't you try horary? The moment you

read my mail, consider it as time of question and describe me. (Do not describe

the visible characteristics in this group like stamina, argument, questioning,

logic and may be ego as you wrote in one post). Also let me know my current

situation and immediate past situation. I am not asking about future since I can

understand there has to be fee involved with professionals and professionals

have full right to ask for it.

regds

Dev

, " Sunil "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> dear dev Ji

>

> I request u to tell us what is ur crispy ,strght answer for scintific

> basis of natal astrology

> dont say planets are cosmic pillars or cosmetic products and prarabda

> karma and u hav no explanation for both Links ( which sreenadh ji quoted

> to u b4 and u r reluctant to accept it that time and i am sure that

> still it is yet 2 b digested to ur system of grey cells )

> and u r highly vocal in supporting one system against other system

> (which both r auxillary and which rishies calls as anga ( limbs ) to

> each other )and u dont know what is what exactly .

> if u ask me srght away instead of beating the bush i would hav said it

> what i know and then only the problem of accepting or rejecting would

> hav come up .Which i will never worry and would hav left it to time (

> kala ) to do the rest of the work as some messges will percolate in

> one's system very very slowly only .

>

> where as u decided other way around

>

> so explain me what is the basis ,foundation ,science ( how and why and

> what way it support ) the natal chart and destiny which we call jatakam

> or birth horoscopy which u know,which u understood .I am repeating this

> question because depending on level of awareness only we can talk to a

> person or argue ,otherwise it would b a total waist

>

> Dont worry i am asking this questions so many times ,in the long run it

> will benefit u and that time atleast let me know who u r realy .And i

> respect u as a person who find narayana dasa working wonderfully and u

> cud able to decode any chart within no matter of time .

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> , " axeplex " <axeplex@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Sunilji,

> >

> > This is better and straight question.

> >

> > //my question is why we need to use such planets in delienating

> results or birth chart itself ??what is its logic /on what logic /reason

> we need to use it ??

> > what is the foundation ( basis ) of it for using such data ??why cant

> u use some thing else ??//

> >

> > Very tricky question and I applaud you for this. All the planets or

> reference points in astrology are the main pillars of universe, the

> cosmic bodies. I don't see anything else could have represented it since

> there is nothing else that collectively changes every moment and is live

> in universe. (or at least as humans we don't know). Each and every

> reference point or planets represent certain attributes and there are

> millions of attributes collectively.

> > Theoretically, when Jataka is born, there is theory of Karma attached.

> Human birth happens as per Prarabdha karma at specified time to

> represent the same.

> > I am not going into planetary influences from science point of view

> since I love to study them as reference points.

> >

> > regds

> > Dev

> >

> > , " Sunil "

> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear dev Ji

> > >

> > > u promised me u will tell me scientific basis of natal astrology

> ,now

> > > atleast for the time being let us not discuss the astronomy ( then

> > > discussion may divert to surya sidhantic (kerala version )

> kasi/varanasi

> > > version ,drik paksha ,snake (pampu )paksha ,vakya paksha etc etc for

> > > ascertaining planets and co ordinates ) and panchanga etc is not

> part of

> > > spherical astronomy

> > >

> > > my question is why we need to use such planets in delienating

> results or

> > > birth chart itself ??what is its logic /on what logic /reason we

> need to

> > > use it ??

> > >

> > > what is the foundation ( basis ) of it for using such data ??why

> cant u

> > > use some thing else ??

> > >

> > > hope now it is clear and understandable

> > >

> > > rgrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > hope still there is no confusion abt it

> > >

> > > , " axeplex "

> <axeplex@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Sunilji,

> > > >

> > > > If you want me to add astronomy is the base and this that.....ASc/

> > > Planets/ signs/ panchanga etc. etc., the basic foundation of

> astrology,

> > > then what is the point in writing such things. It is up to you, you

> want

> > > to waste your time and not. Subject was restarted by you indirectly,

> I

> > > had already written that I do not wish to discuss with you or

> anybody

> > > with strong ideals.

> > > >

> > > > //even when i drink a tea--that time also has all this

> > > > > qualities ,so where is the logic here //

> > > >

> > > > I could not understand it. If a native is born when you are

> drinking

> > > tea, definitely it has all those qualities. But if native visits you

> for

> > > horary at that time, not necessarily and depends on other factors

> too.

> > > >

> > > > regds,

> > > > Dev

> > > >

> > > > , " Sunil "

> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear dev Ji

> > > > >

> > > > > so this is ur understanding abt birth chart .

> > > > >

> > > > > in that case even when i drink a tea--that time also has all

> this

> > > > > qualities ,so where is the logic here ??

> > > > >

> > > > > u hav anything else to say or convey regrding the basis and base

> of

> > > > > natal horocopy and on which foundation it is based and its

> > > scientific

> > > > > basis ???

> > > > >

> > > > > if u r planning to waist my time i may hav to excuse frm this

> tread

> > > > >

> > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > , " axeplex "

> > > <axeplex@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sunilji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Leaving blah blah aside, last time you only advised, so I am

> not

> > > > > getting distracted what you wrote in the middle. In fact, I

> skipped

> > > that

> > > > > part while reading.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Birth chart is based on when native is born. Yearly chart is

> based

> > > > > again related to native birth details and transit charts are the

> > > > > existing references that would be applied on the native chart.

> There

> > > is

> > > > > a significance since no one else is born with exact planetary

> > > references

> > > > > that were existing at the time of birth of a native.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regds

> > > > > > Dev

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Sunil "

> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear dev Ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > u wrote

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > (If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am

> anyday

> > > > > willing

> > > > > > > to learn))

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Pls stick to the norms of discussion ,i was expecting u to

> > > explain

> > > > > > > first what is the basis of natal chart as per our agreement

> .As

> > > i

> > > > > know

> > > > > > > once if u able to say that fact then u urself will hav

> answers

> > > for

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > discussions under tread which we r doing in grp .Here it is

> > > > > immaterial

> > > > > > > for me who supports me or who said what 'cause astrological

> > > thoughts

> > > > > > > which laid foundations for astro basics cannot b determined

> by

> > > vote

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > counting .So dont Look for shoulders to fire on somebody

> and

> > > keep

> > > > > > > firing stght .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Again u r saying Horary is using of simple transit chart

> blah

> > > blah

> > > > > > > ,if so then what is birth chart ??can u illuminate me >R we

> like

> > > > > ravan

> > > > > > > Ji has power to command planets to sit in purticular house s

> (

> > > > > during

> > > > > > > the birth of his son IndraJit ) for a birth chart ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I expect ppl of ur stature to pr0nounce theories and dictums

> or

> > > > > > > sidhantha s in grp discussions only what u digested (

> > > assimilated

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > find it is working which u find over a period of time )

> than

> > > what

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > not digested and just vomiting around everything what ever

> comes

> > > in

> > > > > mind

> > > > > > > or what ever u read in net and grps in the name

> of

> > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > and discussions ( sorry to say this way -after lot of time

> > > waisting

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > still find u hav eagerness to Know ( i dont know if it for

> > > learning

> > > > > )

> > > > > > > but no humbleness to ask plainly which is required for a

> > > Jyothishi

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > student and ur ego is not allowing u to do so too .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What i should or some body should understand frm the above

> > > statemnt

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > ur s --is it horary astrology is my invention and i am doing

> > > some

> > > > > crime

> > > > > > > by propogating it and it dont hav any scientific ( sastraic

> > > )basis

> > > > > ) ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > so pls strt explaining why we shud use Birthcharts for

> seeing

> > > the

> > > > > > > future of a Human being ( let us forget other Living and non

> > > Living

> > > > > > > entities at present )and its basis ,what is its

> philosophical

> > > > > ,religious

> > > > > > > ,dharmic basis ?? can U explain How the so called birth

> chart

> > > can

> > > > > > > influence a person tru out his life according to ur own

> > > > > understanding.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " axeplex "

> > > > > <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanks for your advice Sunilji.

> > > > > > > > As I have understood " Except that when native visits you,

> I

> > > can

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > relate anything logically to Horary chart " . If there is

> > > something

> > > > > > > scientific, it seems more of using present transits or

> similar

> > > terms

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > applying yearly chart to natal chart. But yes, for some

> > > questions

> > > > > like

> > > > > > > (as Kursija ji wrote) who would win the match, shall I get

> my

> > > money

> > > > > > > back, horary holds upper hand due to its easy application.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > If you have some scientific explanation of horary, I am

> anyday

> > > > > willing

> > > > > > > to learn.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regds

> > > > > > > > Dev

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Sunil "

> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Dev JI

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > We can discuss in grps abt anything acdemicaly,

> provided

> > > we r

> > > > > > > here for

> > > > > > > > > sharing exprnces/knowledge ,at times when some body

> knows

> > > some

> > > > > > > thing

> > > > > > > > > for sure -as good as Lines in his hand he may b

> stubborn

> > > and

> > > > > dont

> > > > > > > think

> > > > > > > > > that it is some sort of dry argumnt or arguemnt due to

> some

> > > ego

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > idealism

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > u asked me in prvt and in grp the scientific basis of

> > > prashna

> > > > > > > astrology

> > > > > > > > > and u the No-1 in argeing that prashna is nothing but

> natal

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > > > prevails .how this both will tally ( what i said was in

> > > case of

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > of both diffrs then go by prashna than Natal chart

> again

> > > that

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > traditional prashna mostly- it is where astrologers

> devine

> > > grace

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > blessings frm guru and dharma devata s help him )

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so if u control urself and come to real mode of

> discussions

> > > then

> > > > > i

> > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > think any one will try to hamper ur discussions

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > i used to get many mails frm Kaul camps ,science of

> > > astrology

> > > > > > > (actualy

> > > > > > > > > they want reply in modern physical science terms than

> > > astrology

> > > > > > > itself

> > > > > > > > > is a sastra of its own ) camps ,and even frm self

> declared

> > > > > Blessed

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > Ma or this or that camps and persons himself who thinks

> they

> > > hav

> > > > > > > right

> > > > > > > > > to demolish everything .i used to ignore all this mails

> due

> > > to

> > > > > > > personal

> > > > > > > > > problems and commitments .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > some one frm last 5 months is senting me a grp CC mail

> that

> > > he

> > > > > > > decoded

> > > > > > > > > swami vivekanda chart and all the other gurus are farce

> and

> > > he

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > one selected by Ma as saviour of astrology .And he has

> many

> > > > > > > undigested (

> > > > > > > > > he himself dont know how to appy it ) theorems .even he

> > > > > mentions my

> > > > > > > > > name many times in various grps who dont dare to argue

> with

> > > him

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so in net world all this is possible .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > if u r in for proper discussions where all of us can

> learn

> > > or

> > > > > > > > > upgrade/update our understanding and Knowledge ,then i

> dont

> > > > > think

> > > > > > > there

> > > > > > > > > will b distractions ,even if any pls learn to ignore it

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so in the Long run u will find that it was all nothing

> if u

> > > r

> > > > > > > serious

> > > > > > > > > abt ur approach in grp discussions ( it shud not b Like

> > > > > declarations

> > > > > > > > > that narayana dasa is superior and i can show u and then

> > > vanish

> > > > > )

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > so all the best for u and let us strt discussing

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > due to my time limit many days i may not reply u but

> there

> > > is so

> > > > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > memebrs in our forum and they will also b guiding us

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with rgrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ,

> " axeplex "

> > > > > > > <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunilji,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but

> since

> > > you

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > raised the issue :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times

> )

> > > and

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of

> horoscopy

> > > > > -Jataka-

> > > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a

> birth

> > > > > time as

> > > > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular

> person

> > > as it

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my

> name,

> > > > > there is

> > > > > > > no

> > > > > > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it

> a

> > > > > healthy

> > > > > > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like

> " hair

> > > > > > > cutting " ,

> > > > > > > > > " hair stylists " etc. At least, I don't think this group

> is a

> > > > > hair

> > > > > > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss

> > > > > privately

> > > > > > > on

> > > > > > > > > your mail id.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My responses may take time....

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regds

> > > > > > > > > > Dev

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ,

> " Sunil "

> > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp

> and

> > > not

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > reply

> > > > > > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so

> > > pardon

> > > > > me in

> > > > > > > > > case of

> > > > > > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a

> good

> > > > > person

> > > > > > > )

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp )

> was

> > > this

> > > > > ---

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results

> what we

> > > wil

> > > > > > > take ??

> > > > > > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora

> > > ,dasadhyayi

> > > > > etc )

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing

> omens

> > > ,the

> > > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during

> the

> > > time

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > (

> > > > > > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika

> > > adyaya

> > > > > )

> > > > > > > .So

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a

> problem

> > > for

> > > > > old

> > > > > > > > > learned

> > > > > > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where

> used

> > > ,how

> > > > > many

> > > > > > > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc

> to

> > > the

> > > > > oil

> > > > > > > > > consumed

> > > > > > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha (

> the

> > > > > delivery

> > > > > > > room

> > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa

> -antar

> > > tawa

> > > > > > > methods

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if

> reported

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like

> > > under a

> > > > > > > tree or

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in

> > > kerala

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in

> rising

> > > sign

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > udaya

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which

> > > rising

> > > > > sign

> > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > b 2

> > > > > > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r

> groping

> > > in

> > > > > dark

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of

> > > > > emergency

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this

> method

> > > has

> > > > > > > more

> > > > > > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and

> > > efficient

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite

> has

> > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > methods

> > > > > > > > > > > and application and implications

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in

> temple

> > > > > town of

> > > > > > > > > culture

> > > > > > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of

> this

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults

> any

> > > chart

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > they

> > > > > > > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and

> its

> > > > > future

> > > > > > > effect

> > > > > > > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems

> > > they

> > > > > > > prescribe

> > > > > > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in

> delhi

> > > .one

> > > > > man

> > > > > > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer

> .i

> > > said

> > > > > yes

> > > > > > > > > ,then

> > > > > > > > > > > he described an event what happened in his life

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he

> > > went to

> > > > > > > attent

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as

> he

> > > was

> > > > > office

> > > > > > > > > bearer

> > > > > > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian

> > > medical

> > > > > > > > > assossiation

> > > > > > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that

> frnd is

> > > a

> > > > > nativ

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him

> that

> > > he

> > > > > need

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can

> go

> > > ahead

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance

> of

> > > the

> > > > > frnd

> > > > > > > > > doctor

> > > > > > > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over

> the

> > > frnd

> > > > > asked

> > > > > > > him

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions

> .He

> > > was

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > willing

> > > > > > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was

> not

> > > > > having

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position

> of

> > > moon

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > moon

> > > > > > > > > sign

> > > > > > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the

> day of

> > > > > birth

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > kids .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know

> future of

> > > My

> > > > > > > eldest

> > > > > > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told

> him

> > > that

> > > > > u

> > > > > > > > > wanted to

> > > > > > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also

> wanted

> > > to b

> > > > > so

> > > > > > > ,but

> > > > > > > > > she

> > > > > > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and

> > > mind it

> > > > > > > those

> > > > > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got

> > > into

> > > > > MBBS

> > > > > > > when

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the

> > > > > purticular

> > > > > > > > > stream

> > > > > > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is

> > > worrying

> > > > > why

> > > > > > > did

> > > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna ,

> > > Tamboola

> > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > etc

> > > > > > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of

> india

> > > and

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > b in

> > > > > > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b

> for a

> > > > > > > purticular

> > > > > > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala

> prashna )

> > > > > they r

> > > > > > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete

> well

> > > > > being of

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult

> any

> > > > > Birth

> > > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for

> each

> > > > > memebr in

> > > > > > > > > family

> > > > > > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there

> may

> > > b

> > > > > 100 to

> > > > > > > 300

> > > > > > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read

> in

> > > some

> > > > > Mag

> > > > > > > in a

> > > > > > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao

> Ji

> > > > > conducted

> > > > > > > > > such

> > > > > > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a

> > > single

> > > > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > )

> > > > > > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the

> > > prashna

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin

> point

> > > many

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking

> the

> > > > > details

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna

> > > there

> > > > > will b

> > > > > > > 2

> > > > > > > > > grps

> > > > > > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and

> other

> > > who

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > arguing

> > > > > > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with

> pramana

> > > 's

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > hora s

> > > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i

> blv

> > > > > this or

> > > > > > > i

> > > > > > > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when

> we

> > > ask

> > > > > abt

> > > > > > > > > efficacy

> > > > > > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so

> > > called

> > > > > > > moderators

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try

> to

> > > brand

> > > > > u as

> > > > > > > > > trouble

> > > > > > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part

> of

> > > > > tradition

> > > > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times

> )

> > > and

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > grp

> > > > > > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of

> horoscopy

> > > > > -Jataka-

> > > > > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use

> a

> > > birth

> > > > > > > time as

> > > > > > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular

> > > person

> > > > > as it

> > > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of

> time

> > > ,let

> > > > > me

> > > > > > > > > conclud

> > > > > > > > > > > here

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > ,

> > > > > venkatachala

> > > > > > > pathi

> > > > > > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sirs,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary'

> > > astrology)

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > primarily

> > > > > > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find outÂ

> the

> > > > > events

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > one's

> > > > > > > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's

> attempts

> > > or

> > > > > > > action,

> > > > > > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and

> resultes

> > > of

> > > > > > > Natal's

> > > > > > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive

> at

> > > the

> > > > > > > > > 'results'

> > > > > > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general.Â In

> > > Indian

> > > > > school

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even

> before

> > > > > Standard

> > > > > > > Time

> > > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are

> errors

> > > in

> > > > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants,

> > > while a

> > > > > few

> > > > > > > give

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - timeÂ of appearance

> > > ofÂ

> > > > > head

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > part

> > > > > > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the

> child

> > > is

> > > > > > > removed

> > > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the

> > > time

> > > > > given

> > > > > > > by a

> > > > > > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told

> by

> > > her

> > > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk

> in

> > > > > theÂ

> > > > > > > > > > > > morning!!). InÂ such cases an astrologer

> cannot

> > > relay

> > > > > on

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twinsÂ are born the time difference

> to

> > > > > 'second'

> > > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > > important to studyÂ the birth chart of both

> children,

> > > as

> > > > > few

> > > > > > > > > > > minutesÂ close to each other, could deliver 'Eka-

> > > pinda'

> > > > > > > -Â

> > > > > > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the

> > > position

> > > > > ofÂ

> > > > > > > > > Planets

> > > > > > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids areÂ not changed.

> There

> > > you

> > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > note

> > > > > > > > > > > 'predictive side' of chartsÂ mostlyÂ become

> > > > > complecated as

> > > > > > > 'at

> > > > > > > > > > > face' become same.Â It is not so when you

> actually

> > > > > 'thread'

> > > > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to

> > > 'trace' a

> > > > > > > > > perticular

> > > > > > > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an

> > > > > Astrologer to

> > > > > > > > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will

> > > > > 'shorten'

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > arrive

> > > > > > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' onÂ 'event, as compared to

> > > time

> > > > > > > consuming

> > > > > > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking

> the

> > > > > moment

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > judgement, toÂ correct the subtle difference in

> the

> > > birth

> > > > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The

> methods

> > > are

> > > > > > > simple

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in

> months

> > > and

> > > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > practice to arrive at right results.Â Say, this

> > > could

> > > > > help

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > find

> > > > > > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house'Â more

> > > > > nearÂ to

> > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under

> half-a-

> > > dozen

> > > > > > > > > acceptedÂ

> > > > > > > > > > > Dasha Methods.Â Similarly, this helps to arrive

> > > atÂ

> > > > > > > possible

> > > > > > > > > date

> > > > > > > > > > > of marriage orÂ of aÂ child birth or success

> in an

> > > > > > > Election

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > more practicalÂ and immediate events for

> whichÂ

> > > > > instant

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > are required.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great

> > > > > Astrologer

> > > > > > > Guru

> > > > > > > > > > > ShriÂ Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken

> many

> > > > > > > Astrologers

> > > > > > > > > near

> > > > > > > > > > > to correct predictionsÂ for solvingÂ subtle

> 'event

> > > > > > > questions'

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > accurate solutions.Â Further, great experts

> exist

> > > and

> > > > > > > practice

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method

> of

> > > > > > > Astrology.

> > > > > > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to

> > > correct

> > > > > > > > > 'Predictive

> > > > > > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packedÂ with a large

> space

> > > of

> > > > > > > hues,

> > > > > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduceÂ such space.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,Â Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka

> and

> > > > > Prashna

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;

> > > > > > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on

> a

> > > public

> > > > > > > forum

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > aÂ privilege of every member butÂ ending the

> > > > > discussion on

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached

> at;-

> > > the

> > > > > topic

> > > > > > > > > remains

> > > > > > > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to

> > > stopÂ

> > > > > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without

> > > > > conclusion

> > > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensibleÂ group.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija

> > > > > sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > > > > > > > > com>

> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and

> Horary

> > > > > chart

> > > > > > > today.

> > > > > > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to

> > > submit

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > natal

> > > > > > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray

> > > chart is

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the

> whole

> > > life

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > native.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over

> Nastal

> > > char

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > sphere such as who will win?Â When I receive the

> > > guest?

> > > > > When

> > > > > > > my

> > > > > > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex >

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka

> and

> > > > > Prashna

> > > > > > > -

> > > > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>Â

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me

> but

> > > > > written in

> > > > > > > > > Prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are

> two

> > > > > thoughts

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > ways:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your

> eyes

> > > and

> > > > > > > accept

> > > > > > > > > what

> > > > > > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not

> come

> > > > > back

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna

> marg

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > horoary

> > > > > > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to

> run

> > > this

> > > > > > > society.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so

> > > expect

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > from you.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>Dev

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com,

> > > > > > > " Lalkitab "

> > > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person

> with

> > > such

> > > > > > > > > capabilities

> > > > > > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage

> would

> > > > > pursue

> > > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the

> > > procedure of

> > > > > > > being a

> > > > > > > > > > > Tirthankar.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> > > com,

> > > > > > > " axeplex "

> > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally

> agree

> > > from

> > > > > point

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > view

> > > > > > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I

> really

> > > mean

> > > > > it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg,

> > > here

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > slokas

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka

> > > 18):

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. â€ " That person, who has

> mastery

> > > of

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who

> > > leads a

> > > > > > > > > religious

> > > > > > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and

> who

> > > is

> > > > > well

> > > > > > > > > versed

> > > > > > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be

> > > called a

> > > > > > > > > Daivajnya or

> > > > > > > > > > > seer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. â€ " All the predictions made

> by

> > > such

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned

> > > support

> > > > > this

> > > > > > > > > > > statement.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. â€ " He who has acquired a

> > > thorough

> > > > > > > knowledge

> > > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five

> > > siddhantas,

> > > > > who

> > > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a

> secret

> > > > > mantra by

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion.

> Already

> > > had

> > > > > > > enough.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dev

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> .

> > > com,

> > > > > > > Kulbir

> > > > > > > > > Bains

> > > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words,

> > > consider

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > spirit,

> > > > > > > > > > > whenever the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the

> individual

> > > should

> > > > > get

> > > > > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > > > guidance,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part

> is

> > > > > divine.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of

> astrologer.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex

> > > > > <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current

> time.

> > > But

> > > > > > > when it

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > KP Horary,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far

> as

> > > I

> > > > > > > know)(You

> > > > > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > > > > refer to KP

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by

> native

> > > that

> > > > > > > fixes

> > > > > > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen

> from

> > > this

> > > > > > > chart.

> > > > > > > > > Then

> > > > > > > > > > > Ruling planets

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that

> time

> > > > > (not

> > > > > > > native

> > > > > > > > > > > chart). Common

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two.

> > > > > Vimshottari

> > > > > > > Dasa

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > studied, a period

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted

> planets

> > > and

> > > > > then

> > > > > > > > > within

> > > > > > > > > > > that period,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best

> > > person

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > comment

> > > > > > > > > > > on KP and you

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna

> can

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > understood

> > > > > > > > > > > but " Aj de taim

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal

> kar

> > > sakde

> > > > > ne.

> > > > > > > Te

> > > > > > > > > kinne

> > > > > > > > > > > astrloger ne

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan

> (aachaar

> > > > > > > samhita)

> > > > > > > > > jeende

> > > > > > > > > > > ne)

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > .

> > > > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give

> > > > > paramount

> > > > > > > > > importance

> > > > > > > > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart

> to

> > > > > coincide

> > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > planetary

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is

> erected.

> > > > > Kindly

> > > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > > me if i am wrong.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is

> ordinated

> > > by

> > > > > > > something

> > > > > > > > > > > divine.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex

> <axeplex@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology]

> Re:

> > > > > Jataka

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > .

> > > > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18

> PM

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Ã‚

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware

> > > Prashnamarg

> > > > > > > prefers

> > > > > > > > > horary

> > > > > > > > > > > but what is

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific

> > > basis of

> > > > > > > this?

> > > > > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > > > > is my question.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine

> power

> > > > > associated

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > it, then person

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how

> many of

> > > > > such

> > > > > > > people

> > > > > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > > > there in this

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > world?

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > .

> > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is

> > > trying

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > point

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > is one of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points -

> i.e. -

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna

> result

> > > > > differs

> > > > > > > > > PRASHNA

> > > > > > > > > > > should be given

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not

> Natal

> > > > > chart -

> > > > > > > i.e.

> > > > > > > > > > > Jataka)!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna

> > > Marga

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > one of the

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole

> text

> > > > > prashna

> > > > > > > > > marga

> > > > > > > > > > > stands - and

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very

> > > important

> > > > > > > advice

> > > > > > > > > given

> > > > > > > > > > > by Prashna

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that.

> And

> > > > > there

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > good scope for

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone

> try

> > > to

> > > > > > > address

> > > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > question - " WHY

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the

> answer

> > > is

> > > > > > > > > available in

> > > > > > > > > > > Prashnamarga

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is

> > > unaware of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > intricate pointers

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and

> > > knowledge

> > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > > ji

> > > > > > > > > > > provides.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > > > > .

> > > > > > > com,

> > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//Ãƒâ€š

> the

> > > period

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > bad

> > > > > > > > > > > according to birthchart

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna Ãƒâ€š revealed the

> > > period is

> > > > > > > > > > > bestÃƒâ€š //

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both

> natal

> > > and

> > > > > > > > > prashana

> > > > > > > > > > > Ãƒâ€š indications

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New

>

> > > > > Optimized

> > > > > > > IE8.

> > > > > > > > > Get

> > > > > > > > > > > it NOW!

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > http://downloads. /

> > > in/internetexplo

> > > > > rer/

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > >>> >

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> > > > > > > > > > > > >>

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> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

March 17, 2010

Dear Dev Ji,//I love to study them as reference points.//Tabiyat khush kar di ji aapne.RegardsKulbir Bains.On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:59 PM, axeplex <axeplex wrote:

Sunilji,

This is better and straight question.

//my question is why we need to use such planets in delienating results or birth chart itself ??what is its logic /on what logic /reason we need to use it ??

what is the foundation ( basis ) of it for using such data ??why cant u use some thing else ??//

Very tricky question and I applaud you for this. All the planets or reference points in astrology are the main pillars of universe, the cosmic bodies. I don't see anything else could have represented it since there is nothing else that collectively changes every moment and is live in universe. (or at least as humans we don't know). Each and every reference point or planets represent certain attributes and there are millions of attributes collectively.

Theoretically, when Jataka is born, there is theory of Karma attached. Human birth happens as per Prarabdha karma at specified time to represent the same.

I am not going into planetary influences from science point of view since I love to study them as reference points.

regds

Dev

March 17, 2010

Goel Bhai ji.Apprentice is the beginner - the first years you work in a craft in the European sense you are an apprentice. That takes 3 or 4 years. Then you are a journeyman. You can go from one master to another and learn other tricks and other secrets.

Josef Albers

Art can be inherent but craft has to learned or comes with maturity/experience.

On Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 8:16 AM, vijay.goel <goyalvj wrote:

Dear Kulbhir bhai,One more addition :Craft is basically Commerce.The sequence is : Science --> Commerce ---> Art.or we can say : Basic knowledge --> Utility --> Spirituality.

In astrological terms : Astronomy --> Panchanga --> Prediction.Vijay , " vijay.goel " <goyalvj wrote:

>> Dear Kulbhir Bhai,> > Hare Rama Krsna,> > The following definition is the result of search from internet.> > CRAFT : to make or manufacture (an object, objects, product, etc.) with

> skill and careful attention to detail.> > Here more Mars and Mercury is playing their role.> > ART : Human effort to imitate, supplement, alter, or counteract the work> of nature.

> > Here more attributes of Sun, Moon & Jupiter.> > So what is better, Crafty prediction or Artistic prediction. ? What you> will choose ? []> > Lawyers (infact any other DR., Engg. etc) should be Crafty [] , else

> they will be out of profession [:-?] [(:|]> > Thankyou,> Best Wishes,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> > > > , Kulbir Bains

> lalkitabkb@ wrote:> >> > Dear Goel ji,> > There is difference between Art and CRAFT.> > Regards> > Kulbir Bains.> >> > On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 9:34 PM, vijay.goel goyalvj@ wrote:

> >> > >> > >> > > Dear Devi Singh Ji,> > >> > > Hare Rama Krsna,> > >> > > //i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern science

> says> > > with proof and book reference//> > >> > > I will love to see it and appreciate it. > > >> > > I believe 'Prediction' is pure Art, it is a beautiful Song where

> 'Rhythmic> > > Notes', the flow is given by Sun, 'Sweetness' of voice, music is> added by> > > Moon, and 'Purity' [of thoughts, natural laws,] of poem is an

> attributes of> > > Jupiter.> > > All other acts (like Mars - logical, Mercury - intelligence, etc)> are just> > > 'Preparation' for the 'Prediction' like all artist and technician

> assemble> > > in the recording room. All are important for every final output ,> action or> > > event [prediction \ song ] in life, is covered by all nine planets> jointly.

> > >> > > All sciences ends in Art.> > >> > > Just a thought thankyou,> > >> > >> > > Best Wishes,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur.

> > >> > > , devisigh> > > devisingh.rajput@ wrote:> > > >

> > > > Dear Vijay JI,> > > >> > > > I Love to contribute Astrology in My way.....nobody Dare to say It> is> > > > not working (i will show how it is working with mechanism which

> modern> > > > science says with proof and book reference)...it takes its own> time with> > > > God Grace..> > > >> > > > --who live Contradictions ...can come up above all

> contradictions...> > > > ------------------> > > > Regards,> > > > Devisingh> > > >> > > >> > > > vijay.goel wrote:> > > > >

> > > > >> > > > > Dear DeviSinghji,> > > > >> > > > > I will support Kulbhir Bhai, Please give it a try.> > > > > We might get benefited from you.

> > > > >> > > > > Thankyou,> > > > > Best Wishes,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > >> > > > >

> > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\

> ogy%2540>>,> > > " Lalkitab " > > > > > lalkitabkb@ wrote:> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Devi Singh ji,> > > > > > Lalkitab has provided a table for annual transit of planets> upto 120> > > > > years. I have seen best of mathematicians, software engineers,

> > > > > astrologers etc. trying to decode the formula but with no> success.> > > > > kindly give it a try.> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >

> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>>,

> > > devisigh> > > > > <devisingh.rajput@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar JI,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am Devisingh Rajput (Master of Science,Computer

> > > > > > > Engineer,Teacher,Lawyer,Astrologer..etc )> > > > > > > (if anybody want can reach to my home through google my> > > > > > > profile/data/cell everything is there on Net)......If

> anybody want> > > > > else> > > > > > > info i am ready to give.....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Please pardon me if i hurt anybody though that was not

> > > > > > > intention.....sharing has to be taken as wealth of thoughts> for> > > > > benefit> > > > > > > of astrology....> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Mr Dev(whoever he is)......he is different Person on this> > > forum.....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > You have pointed out that leakage tank example and higher

> math> > > those> > > > > > > article was from me .....i left those not to trouble much> > > others....> > > > > > > Everything with me and working silently for benefit of

> astrology> > > > > but not> > > > > > > to waste anybody time i have enjoy what i have ...just wait> for> > > > > season> > > > > > > to come in astrology......

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > All connected via group are friend and working for Astrology> that> > > > > i can> > > > > > > take granted from this group and being them consider friend

> is> > > > > good (at> > > > > > > least Human are pron to err)> > > > > > > As a senior you and other are always respected....everybody> have

> > > > > to live> > > > > > > together in forum same as roof of god that is beauty.....> > > > > > > If everything is predicted then no room for not> predicted.....life

> > > is> > > > > > > like River it has flow...without flow in astrology It prone> to> > > > > Death....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If anybody have any query from my post i can answer those

> because> > > > > i am> > > > > > > not posting without working from myside first....> > > > > > >> > > > > > > -I pray to God he will help to come out you from Bad

> health...> > > > > > > ------------------> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Devisingh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar wrote:

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Mr. Axe plex (Dev???),> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Talk to me directly.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You are the only one who has wasted time of so many> members to

> > > > > the tune> > > > > > > > of not hours, but days in senseless discussions. You make> claims> > > > > > > > constantly but when anyone asks you for some anaylsis or

> inputs,> > > > > > > > everytime you search for escape routes and excuses, and> never> > > > > return for> > > > > > > > those Queries but come back with some other senseless

> > > > > discussion. You> > > > > > > > are just like that persdon advising in a gentry of> Haircutters> > > > > about how> > > > > > > > to cut hair, which example was specially meant for you.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > And stop sending mails on my personal id. I dont want to> read any> > > > > > > > rubbish filth nor are you so important enough to enable a

> reply> > > > > from me.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You dont know the basics of astrology, why are you wasting> time> > > of

> > > > > > > > respected members like Shri Sunil Nairji who have lots of> pearls> > > to> > > > > > > > display, but displaying before..... And you want healthy

> > > > > discussions ?> > > > > > > > On what ? On higher mathematics ? On postings which nobody> can> > > > > > > > understand ? Except another fake id like yours which will

> come up> > > to> > > > > > > > praise you ? You want to discuss on how water leakage> froma tank> > > > > can be> > > > > > > > predicted ? Then discuss please. Thats what we are asking

> you> > > > > since last> > > > > > > > 3 months to show, discuss, produce, demonstrate and> support and> > > > > > > > authenticate your claims, but you are talking senseless

> all the> > > > > times> > > > > > > > and commenting on others comments ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You say that your responses will take time ? Do you know

> > > > > anything att> > > > > > > > all to respond by the way ? As usual you will expect> people to> > > > > forget> > > > > > > > this and come back again with something silly and want

> people to> > > > > listen> > > > > > > > to you, which you will call as " Healthy discussion " . Thank> God> > > > > at least> > > > > > > > I have not wasted my time with such healthy discussions in

> last> > > few> > > > > > > > weeks with you.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > And you have a problem about my using terms like " Hair

> Stylists " > > > > > > > > and " Hair cutters " . Listen I am a genuine member here who> has> > > > > right to> > > > > > > > comment. Before you raise a motion of opposition for me,

> please> > > > > prove> > > > > > > > your genuinity by allowing members to know your real name,> > > contact> > > > > > > > particulars and about yourself.

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >

> > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\

> ogy%2540>>,> > > " axeplex " > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Sunilji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Though I had decided not to discuss with you, but since

> you> > > have> > > > > > > > raised the issue :> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times )

> and> > > > > even in> > > > > > > > grp asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of horoscopy

> > > -Jataka-> > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a> birth time> > > as> > > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular person

> as it> > > > > will> > > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .///> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes, I asked you this and you could have written my

> name,> > > > > there is no> > > > > > > > issue with this. I would discuss with you but to make it a> > > healthy> > > > > > > > discussion, memebers would not come with comments like

> " hair> > > > > cutting " ,> > > > > > > > " hair stylists " etc. At least, I don't think this group is> a hair> > > > > > > > saloon. Tell me, can you assure this or shall we discuss

> > > > > privately on> > > > > > > > your mail id.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My responses may take time....

> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\

> ogy%2540>> > > >> > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\

> ogy%2540>>,> > > " Sunil " > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear respected Venkitachala pathi Ji> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Namaskar and pranams> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > many thanks for this beutiful write up> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (pls note that here i am writing for the whole l grp> and not> > > > > as a> > > > > > > > reply> > > > > > > > > > to u only and nothing personal in intented here -so

> pardon me> > > in> > > > > > > > case of> > > > > > > > > > anything hurting ur sentimnts tho i know u r such a> good> > > > > person )

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here the question of mine ( or our frnds in grp ) was> this> > > > > --- when> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > natal chart and horary chart differs in results what> we wil> > > > > take ??> > > > > > > > > > natal or prashna for guidance .

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > There are many methods in varahi ( varahahora> ,dasadhyayi> > > > > etc ) and> > > > > > > > > > kerala sastras to rectify birthtime by observing omens

> ,the> > > > > events> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > tallying with the events happening happend during the> time> > > > > of birth

> > > > > > > > (> > > > > > > > > > it is a seperate adhyaya which is known as prasutika> adyaya> > > > > ) .So> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > question of correctness of birth chart is not a> problem for> > > old> > > > > > > > learned> > > > > > > > > > pundits .even they will tell how many Lamps where used

> ,how> > > many> > > > > > > > > > midwifes present their age ,appearance and dress etc> to the> > > oil> > > > > > > > consumed

> > > > > > > > > > and its nature ,the direction of prasutika graha ( the> > > > > delivery room> > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > ) to the nature of delivery ,then there is Tatwa

> -antar tawa> > > > > methods> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > kunta lagna etc for further tuning ,so even if> reported> > > > > birth time

> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > wrong they can rectify by asking some questions .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > even the lakshana of delivery in diffrnt places like

> under a> > > > > tree or> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > a boat etc etc is mentioned> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But Here we must understand the prashna employed in> kerala> > > > > is not> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > prashna in usual sense .mostly prashna used in rising

> sign> > > > > or udaya> > > > > > > > > > lagna in modern parlance to many astrologers which> rising> > > > > sign will> > > > > > > > b 2

> > > > > > > > > > hrs and in case of 10 visitors u can see they r> groping in> > > > > dark and> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > Kp like they are asked to giv a numbr or in case of

> > > > > emergency the> > > > > > > > > > astrologer uses a random Number --i can say this> method has> > > more> > > > > > > > > > relevence provided the astrolger is more able and

> efficient> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > but in kerala prashna as u Know being a keralite has> various> > > > > methods

> > > > > > > > > > and application and implications> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Since u are a keralite and born and brought up in

> temple town> > > of> > > > > > > > culture> > > > > > > > > > capital of kerala i think u r very well aware of this> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > In Kerala there is astrologers who nevr consults any> chart> > > > > but they> > > > > > > > > > just giv out results including what for u came and its

> > > > > future effect> > > > > > > > > > ,results and in case of any hindrance to ur problems> they> > > > > prescribe> > > > > > > > > > remedies too all within a span of max 30 minits .

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > once i was attenting a house warming ceremony in delhi> .one> > > man> > > > > > > > > > approached me asking r u frm kerala and a astrologer

> .i said> > > yes> > > > > > > > ,then> > > > > > > > > > he described an event what happened in his life> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > He is a sardar and a doctor ( his wife also ) and he> went to> > > > > attent> > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > official function of doctors in kerala ,calicut as he

> was> > > office> > > > > > > > bearer> > > > > > > > > > of delhi chapter of doctors assssn ( i think indian> medical> > > > > > > > assossiation

> > > > > > > > > > ) and he was staying with a doctor frnd and that frnd> is a> > > > > nativ of> > > > > > > > > > kerala .after the function over his frnd told him that

> he> > > > > need to> > > > > > > > > > consult one astrologer and this sardarji said u can go> ahead> > > > > and i> > > > > > > > dont

> > > > > > > > > > blv in this kind of anda viswas .then on insistance of> the> > > frnd> > > > > > > > doctor> > > > > > > > > > he also went along and after the consultancy over the

> frnd> > > > > asked him> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > consult this astrologer in case u hav any questions> .He was> > > not

> > > > > > > > willing> > > > > > > > > > and finaly he decided to go for a trial but he was not> > > > > having any> > > > > > > > birth

> > > > > > > > > > details accurate or even he dont know the position of> moon> > > > > or moon> > > > > > > > sign> > > > > > > > > > of any memebr of his family tho he knows only the day

> of> > > > > birth of> > > > > > > > his> > > > > > > > > > kids .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > So he said to astrologer that i wanted to know future

> of My> > > > > eldest> > > > > > > > > > daughter only rgrds to her education> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The astrologer just with the help of cowdies told him

> that u> > > > > wanted> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > make ur daughter a bone specialist and she also wanted> to b> > > > > so ,but

> > > > > > > > she> > > > > > > > > > will become a doctor specialising in Gynacology .and> mind it> > > > > those> > > > > > > > days

> > > > > > > > > > his daughter was studying in 10th ,and after she got> into> > > > > MBBS when> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > need of specialisation came she cud not got into the

> > > purticular> > > > > > > > stream> > > > > > > > > > she wanted and final option was gynac> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > all this prediction came true and Now the Doctor is> worrying> > > > > why did> > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > he asked abt his other aspects of Life

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But after all this yrs the old astrologer is No more> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Kerala we hav astamangala prashna <kowri prashna ,

> Tamboola> > > > > prashna> > > > > > > > etc> > > > > > > > > > etc which is not practised in many other parts of> india and

> > > > > may b in> > > > > > > > > > Tamil nadu u can find such astrologers rarely .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > so we must understand that all prashna need not b for

> a> > > > > purticular> > > > > > > > > > questions and many prashna ( esp ashta mangala prashna> ) they> > > r> > > > > > > > > > conducting in some places annualy to know complete

> well> > > > > being of a> > > > > > > > > > family .here also astrologers dont bother to consult> any> > > Birth> > > > > > > > charts

> > > > > > > > > > individualy but declare results independently for each> memebr> > > in> > > > > > > > family> > > > > > > > > > and we know during the time of Joint families there

> may b> > > > > 100 to 300> > > > > > > > > > memebrs in Big un devided Hindu families .( I read in> some> > > > > Mag in a> > > > > > > > > > article written by shri KN rao Ji that shri KN rao Ji

> > > > > conducted such> > > > > > > > > > prashna in Delhi which lasted for almost 7 days ( a> single> > > > > prashna )> > > > > > > > > > and there is some 30 or 40 person attented in the

> prashna> > > > > and the> > > > > > > > > > astrologer who done the prashna cud able to pin point> many> > > > > of the> > > > > > > > events

> > > > > > > > > > very well in advance even without Knowing or asking> the> > > > > details he> > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > predicting it ),and generaly in doing such prashna

> there> > > > > will b 2> > > > > > > > grps> > > > > > > > > > of astrologers ,one who is doing the prashna and other> who is

> > > > > > > > arguing> > > > > > > > > > abt the results -(arguemnt shud b quoting with pramana> 's> > > > > and hora s> > > > > > > > --

> > > > > > > > > > Not the usual net forum style of announcing i> blv this> > > > > or i> > > > > > > > > > invented this -here in some net forums when we

> ask abt> > > > > > > > efficacy> > > > > > > > > > of the methods some one pushing ( even the the so> called> > > > > moderators

> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > afraid of Loosing their position and they will try to> brand u> > > as> > > > > > > > trouble

> > > > > > > > > > maker ) then u r a culprit and in kerala it is part of> > > > > tradition .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > One of our grp memebr asked me in prvt ( many times )

> and> > > > > even in> > > > > > > > grp> > > > > > > > > > asking abt the scientific basis of prashna> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > can i ask Him what is the sciintific basis of> horoscopy> > > -Jataka-> > > > > > > > > > according to Him ??what he knows and why we must use a

> birth> > > > > time as> > > > > > > > > > pivotal point in considering future of a purticular> person as> > > it> > > > > > > > will

> > > > > > > > > > only leads to further healthy discussion .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > i hav so many things to write but due to lack of time

> ,let me> > > > > > > > conclud> > > > > > > > > > here> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > thanks and with regrds

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > sunil nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\

> ogy%2540>>,> > >> > > > > venkatachala pathi> > > > > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sirs,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Prashna astrology (otherwise named as 'Horary'

> astrology)> > > is> > > > > > > > primarily> > > > > > > > > > enshrined in the school of astrology to find outÂ> the events> > > in

> > > > > > > > one's> > > > > > > > > > life or to know in advance the result of one's> attempts or> > > > > action,> > > > > > > > > > momentarily to gain 'direction' of events and resultes

> of> > > > > Natal's> > > > > > > > > > reaction, which could be minute and exact, to arrive> at the> > > > > > > > 'results'

> > > > > > > > > > deducted under Natal Astrology in general.Â In> Indian school> > > of> > > > > > > > > > astrology, Prashna Astrology was practiced even before

> > > > > Standard Time> > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > introduced (1st January 1906). There were and are> errors in> > > > > giving

> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > correct time of birth of a child by the attendants,> while a> > > > > few give> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > time of 'siras - udhaya' - timeÂ of appearance> ofÂ head or> > > > > > > > part> > > > > > > > > > of body. A few note the time of whole body of the

> child is> > > > > removed> > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > that of the mother. Differences do exist between the> time> > > > > given by a

> > > > > > > > > > mid-wife and a nurse. (One told me that she was told> by her> > > > > mother> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > she was born when the milk man came to deliver milk in

> theÂ> > > > > > > > > > > morning!!). InÂ such cases an astrologer cannot> relay on> > > the> > > > > > > > > > correct time 'given' to him.

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 2. Whenever twinsÂ are born the time difference> to 'second'> > > > > > > > becomes

> > > > > > > > > > important to studyÂ the birth chart of both> children, as few> > > > > > > > > > minutesÂ close to each other, could deliver 'Eka-

> pinda' -Â> > > > > > > > > > together with connected limbs. At same time, the> position ofÂ> > > > > > > > Planets> > > > > > > > > > in both Birth charts of kids areÂ not changed.

> There you will> > > > > > > > note> > > > > > > > > > 'predictive side' of chartsÂ mostlyÂ become> complecated as> > > 'at

> > > > > > > > > > face' become same.Â It is not so when you actually> 'thread'> > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > individual lives. Here the Prashana astrology, to

> 'trace' a> > > > > > > > perticular> > > > > > > > > > event for one of the children, become handy for an> Astrologer> > > to

> > > > > > > > > > 'cast'Â result of a given event. This method will> 'shorten'> > > to> > > > > > > > arrive> > > > > > > > > > at correct 'deduction' onÂ 'event, as compared to

> time> > > consuming> > > > > > > > > > analysis under Dasha system.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 3. An Astrologer, could master this method taking

> the> > > > > moment of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > judgement, toÂ correct the subtle difference in the> birth> > > > > charts,

> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > predict result also with amazing accuracy. The methods> are> > > > > simple> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > could help an Astrologer become more confident in> months and> > > > > years> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > practice to arrive at right results.Â Say, this

> could help to> > > > > > > > find> > > > > > > > > > an answer 'when one will purchase a house'Â more> nearÂ to> > > > > > > > correct

> > > > > > > > > > date, than looking through calculations under half-a-> dozen> > > > > > > > acceptedÂ> > > > > > > > > > Dasha Methods.Â Similarly, this helps to arrive

> atÂ possible> > > > > > > > date> > > > > > > > > > of marriage orÂ of aÂ child birth or success in> an Election> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > more practicalÂ and immediate events for whichÂ> instant> > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > are required.

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The latest 'prescriptions' made available by great> > > > > Astrologer Guru> > > > > > > > > > ShriÂ Krishnamoorthy in KP Astrology had taken many

> > > Astrologers> > > > > > > > near> > > > > > > > > > to correct predictionsÂ for solvingÂ subtle> 'event questions'> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > accurate solutions.Â Further, great experts exist> and> > > practice> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > success in Kerala for many centuries in this method of

> > > > > Astrology.> > > > > > > > > > However, Natal astrology is the base and route to> correct> > > > > > > > 'Predictive> > > > > > > > > > Astrology' with a spectrum packedÂ with a large

> space of> > > hues,> > > > > > > > while> > > > > > > > > > Horaray astrology reduceÂ such space.> > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi,Â Â> > > > > > > > > > > Astrologer,> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\> ogy%2540>

> > > >> > > > > > > >> <%40<ancient_indian_astrol\

> ogy%2540>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Sun, March 14, 2010 8:20:36 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jataka> and> > > > > Prashna -> > > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > > > Sir Kursija ji,> > > > > > > > > > > Your comments are of an experienced person.

> > > > > > > > > > > Here i would like to add that;> > > > > > > > > > > I think initiating a discussion on some topic; on a> public> > > > > forum

> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > aÂ privilege of every member butÂ ending the> discussion on> > > the> > > > > > > > > > topic depends upon the conclusion.

> > > > > > > > > > > So until and unless some conclusion is reached at;-> the> > > topic> > > > > > > > remains> > > > > > > > > > open for deliberations as such, members are free to

> stopÂ> > > their> > > > > > > > > > observations but dictates to end discussions without> > > conclusion> > > > > > > > doesn't

> > > > > > > > > > seem worthwhile of a sensibleÂ group.> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. Â Â

> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, Mar 14, 2010 at 7:45 PM, S.C. Kursija> > > sckursija (AT) (DOT)

> > > > > > > > com>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Â

> > > > > > > > > > > >Respected Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >I happened to read the dicussion on Natal and> Horary> > > > > chart today.

> > > > > > > > > > Though the discusion has been over still I like to> submit> > > > > that the> > > > > > > > natal> > > > > > > > > > char is for the whole life of the native and Hoaray

> chart is> > > > > for the> > > > > > > > > > particular question only. It can not discuss the whole> life> > > > > of the> > > > > > > > > > native.

> > > > > > > > > > > >Secondly the horary char has imprtance over Nastal> char> > > > > in some> > > > > > > > > > sphere such as who will win?Â When I receive the

> guest? When> > > my> > > > > > > > > > servant will come back? etc.> > > > > > > > > > > >RegardsÂ> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >--- On Sat, 3/13/10, axeplex axeplex >> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>axeplex axeplex >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Jataka

> and> > > > > Prashna -> > > > > > > > > > Priority to which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology

> > > > > > > > > > > >>Saturday, March 13, 2010, 12:51 PM> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>Â> > > > > > > > > > > >>Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>I am practical. But this is not written by me but> written> > > in> > > > > > > > Prashna> > > > > > > > > > Marg. And I just presented the stanzas. There are two

> > > > > thoughts or> > > > > > > > ways:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>1. Be practical but then you can not close your

> eyes and> > > > > accept> > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > is written in a book. And in this case, one can not> come> > > > > back with

> > > > > > > > > > reference to the book e.g. it is written in Prashna> marg that> > > > > > > > horoary> > > > > > > > > > astrology needs to be kept above natal chart.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>2. Be stick to your ideals and what book says.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>Both types of people exist and are requird to run

> this> > > > > society.> > > > > > > > > > > >>Anyway, I had already closed this discussion, so> expect> > > > > the same> > > > > > > > > > from you.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>regds> > > > > > > > > > > >>Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > " Lalkitab " > > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ ...> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Dear Dev, Be Practical, Why would a person with> such> > > > > > > > capabilities

> > > > > > > > > > waste his time in analyzing horoscopes for others.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Instead any person who attains such a stage> would

> > > > > pursue his> > > > > > > > > > spiritual progress full throttle.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> For exceptions you will have to study the

> procedure of> > > > > being a> > > > > > > > > > Tirthankar.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Regards> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Kulbir Bains.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > " axeplex "

> > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dear Kulbir,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Whatever you have written, I personally agree> from> > > > > point of

> > > > > > > > view> > > > > > > > > > of native. Good and thanks for bringing this. I really> mean> > > it.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > I thought you are referring to Prashna Marg,> here> > > > > are slokas> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > Prashna MArg (especially read last sentence of sloka

> 18):> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 15. âEUR " That person, who has> mastery of this

> > > > > > > > > > science, who has a good knowledge of mathematics who> leads a> > > > > > > > religious> > > > > > > > > > life, who is truthful, who is free from conceit and

> who is> > > well> > > > > > > > versed> > > > > > > > > > in the Vedas, mantras and tantras, he alone can be> called a> > > > > > > > Daivajnya or

> > > > > > > > > > seer.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 16. âEUR " All the predictions made> by such a> > > > > person

> > > > > > > > > > will come true and will never be false. The learned> support> > > this> > > > > > > > > > statement.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Stanza 18. âEUR " He who has acquired a

> thorough> > > > > knowledge> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > the different Horas, who is an adept in the five> siddhantas,

> > > > > who has> > > > > > > > > > inferential ability and who is initiated into a secret> > > > > mantra by a> > > > > > > > > > preceptor, can alone know horoscopy.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Anyway, let us leave this discussion. Already> had> > > > > enough.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .> com,> > > > > Kulbir> > > > > > > > Bains> > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Dear Dev, don't get entangled in words,> consider

> > > the> > > > > > > > spirit,> > > > > > > > > > whenever the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > divine scheme considers that the individual

> should> > > get> > > > > > > > some> > > > > > > > > > guidance,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Prashna comes a handy tool, only this part

> is> > > divine.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Nothing to do with the divinity of> astrologer.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Regards

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > Kulbir bains.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:13 AM, axeplex

> > > > > <axeplex@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dear Kulbir,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, KP uses Ruling Planets of current

> time. But> > > > > when it> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > KP Horary,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > natal chart is not used. (This is as far

> as I> > > > > know)(You> > > > > > > > may> > > > > > > > > > refer to KP> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > scholoars what they have to say)

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > In KP horary, a number is chosen by native> that

> > > > > fixes> > > > > > > > > > Asc-Star-Sub and> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > significators of an event are chosen from

> this> > > > > chart.> > > > > > > > Then> > > > > > > > > > Ruling planets> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > are taken from the normal chart of that

> time> > > > > (not native> > > > > > > > > > chart). Common> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planets are decided based on the two.

> > > > > Vimshottari Dasa> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > studied, a period> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > is chosen based on the shortlisted planets

> and> > > then> > > > > > > > within> > > > > > > > > > that period,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > transits are seen to time the events.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > But in any case, I would not be the best> person

> > > to> > > > > > > > comment> > > > > > > > > > on KP and you> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > need to cross check it.

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Yes, divine power association for prasna> can be

> > > > > > > > understood> > > > > > > > > > but " Aj de taim> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > kinne bande e jedde bhagwaan naal gal kar

> sakde> > > > > ne. Te> > > > > > > > kinne> > > > > > > > > > astrloger ne> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > jeede astrologer waala moral jeevan

> (aachaar> > > > > samhita)> > > > > > > > jeende> > > > > > > > > > ne)> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> .> > > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dear Dev, I think KP astrologers give> paramount

> > > > > > > > importance> > > > > > > > > > to the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > planetary positions in the natal chart to

> > > > > coincide with> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > planetary> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > position when the prashan chart is

> erected.> > > Kindly> > > > > > > > correct> > > > > > > > > > me if i am wrong.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Guidance vide prashna chart is ordinated

> by> > > > > something> > > > > > > > > > divine.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Kulbir Bains> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > --- On Thu, 11/3/10, axeplex <axeplex@>

> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@>

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> > > > > Jataka and> > > > > > > > > > Prashna - Priority to

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > which, when and why?> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> .> > > > > > > > > > com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Thursday, 11 March, 2010, 4:18 PM

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Ã,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sreenadhji,

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Sorry about this but I am aware> Prashnamarg> > > > > prefers> > > > > > > > horary

> > > > > > > > > > but what is> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > the logic behind it? What is scientific> basis of> > > > > this?

> > > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > > is my question.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > Moreover, if we say there is divine power

> > > associated> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > it, then person> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > has to be equally spiritual. And how many

> of> > > > > such people> > > > > > > > are> > > > > > > > > > there in this> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > world?

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Dev

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> .> > >> > > > > com,> > > > > > > > > > " sreesog " <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Dear Kulbir ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > You are right - but what Sunil ji is

> trying> > > > > to point> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > is one of the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > trickiest and important points - i.e.> -> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > * When Natal chart and Prashna result> differs> > > > > > > > PRASHNA> > > > > > > > > > should be given

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > importance and weightage (and not

> Natal> > > > > chart - i.e.> > > > > > > > > > Jataka)!> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > This is the advice given by Prashna

> Marga> > > > > and that> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > one of the> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > pillar thoughts on which the whole> text> > > prashna> > > > > > > > marga> > > > > > > > > > stands - and

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > numerous scholars miss this very> important

> > > > > advice> > > > > > > > given> > > > > > > > > > by Prashna> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > marga. Sunil ji is pointing to that.> And> > > > > there is> > > > > > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > good scope for> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > informative discussion, if someone try

> to> > > > > address> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > question - " WHY> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Prashnamarga is stating so? " (the> answer is> > > > > > > > available in> > > > > > > > > > Prashnamarga

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > itself).> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Note: It seems that Dev ji etc is> unaware of> > > the> > > > > > > > > > intricate pointers

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > based on traditional astrology and

> knowledge> > > > > Sunil> > > > > > > > ji> > > > > > > > > > provides.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> > > > > . com,> > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab Kb

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Sir, a wild guess;//ÃfâEURs(

> the period is> > > bad> > > > > > > > > > according to birthchart> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > //prashna ÃfâEURs( revealed the

> period is> > > > > > > > > > bestÃfâEURs( //> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Forewarned is forearmed. so both

> natal and> > > > > > > > prashana> > > > > > > > > > ÃfâEURs( indications> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > are correct.> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > Kulbir Bains

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > Your Mail works best with the New > > > > > Optimized IE8.> > > > > > > > Get

> > > > > > > > > > it NOW!> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > http://downloads. /

> in/internetexplo> > > rer/> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > >>> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> > > > > > > > > > > >>

> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >

> > >> > >> > >> >> >> >> > --> > Regards> > Kulbir Bians> >>

-- RegardsKulbir Bians

March 17, 2010

Dear Devi Singh Ji and Goel Bhai Jaan,There is a saying in Punjabi " JE MULLA PADHAUGA NI; TAN FATTI TAN NI KHOHAN LAGYA " If the learned or experienced person will not tell you something, He is not going to snatch your wooden board (Slate) from you.

So there should be no hesitation for asking from the experienced or learned.RegardsKulbir Bains.On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:44 PM, devisigh <devisingh.rajput wrote:

Dear Vijay JI,

I Love to contribute Astrology in My way.....nobody Dare to say It is

not working (i will show how it is working with mechanism which modern

science says with proof and book reference)...it takes its own time

with God Grace..

--who live Contradictions ...can come up above all contradictions...

------------------

Regards,

Devisingh

vijay.goel wrote:

Dear DeviSinghji,

I will support Kulbhir Bhai, Please give it a try.

We might get benefited from you.

Thankyou,

Best Wishes,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

,

" Lalkitab " <lalkitabkb wrote:

>

> Dear Devi Singh ji,

> Lalkitab has provided a table for annual transit of planets upto

120 years. I have seen best of mathematicians, software engineers,

astrologers etc. trying to decode the formula but with no success.

kindly give it a try.

> Regards

> Kulbir Bains.

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