Guest guest Posted February 26, 2010 Report Share Posted February 26, 2010 I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. regds Dev , sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote: > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that once a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive things they  see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > however if it is seen in different angle do not give a rosy picture > > ::all planets between raghu and  kethu > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagna and dispositor of kethu > > saturn in an angle 9th house > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > moon with raghu and  venus with sun not good in  traditional view > > 1 5 9 housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > can > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > as many astrologers justify above for things for a positive achievements in life > > if the same shown without giving identity of person many  may fail to justify > > same time many persons are born  then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in length > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the native > > with regards > sairaman > >  > > > > ________________________________ > vijay.goel <goyalvj > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM > Re: Sachin's birth details > >  > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.// > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. . > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > Thankyou. > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.// > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read. > > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me).. > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's > > and this is the way they must be used always. > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my > > records. > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea > > of the right Lagna. > > > > best wishes, > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > Data 1 > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88 " Chit 1 > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70 " Jye 2 > > > > > > Data 2 > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60 " UPha 3 > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04 " PSha 4 > > > > > > This is as per Jhora. > > > > > > Thankyou > > > Regards, > > > Vijay Goel > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me > > the > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ? > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna. > > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling > > > > planet > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know > > > that > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis] > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973 > > > > > Time: 18:01:00 > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > sign lord: mercury > > > > > star lord : Mars > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus. > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973 > > > > > Time: 16:28:00 > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > sign lord: Mercury > > > > > star lord : Sun > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time : > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010 > > > > > Time: 20:41:20 > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > > > > > Jaipur, India > > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day > > > lord > > > > > jupiter. > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign. > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN]. > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct > > with > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg. > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way. > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be > > more > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > axeplex@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of > > Mars > > > > Dasa > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds > > > better > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it > > is > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him > > to > > > > such > > > > > heights. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is > > conjunting > > > Ma > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th). > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of > > > the > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct > > or > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all > > > > could > > > > > > > elarn from the same.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post. > > Anyway, > > > > > April > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference > > > but > > > > > three > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish > > menon > > > > > horamag@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared > > > with > > > > > Don > > > > > > > Bradman > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at > > > Durban. > > > > He > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players > > > > > > > participating > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is > > 4.25 > > > pm > > > > > which > > > > > > > is very close to yours. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Sairamji, Lenghthy mail takes time....Just to add, few things you have written by mistake like kala Sarpa Yoga etc. Few of the answers to your questions can be found in D-charts. Few questions remain unanswered and this is the reaon everybody tries to learn more and more to know those gaps.(And you can see how even highly experienced guys in the group would be willing to learn new things). Same time, same natal ... How would you explain from Kalapurusha Lagna taking as 1st Bhava, Again it would remain same... Please teach me if there is something else. Baadhaka Mercury - In 2005, he was running Me AD as per 24th April data, may be when people were writing him off , could be related to that.... Also Me was not supportive in D-10. regds Dev , " axeplex " <axeplex wrote: > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > regds > Dev > > , sairam nat <sairaman53@> wrote: > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that once a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive things they  see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > however if it is seen in different angle do not give a rosy picture > > > > ::all planets between raghu and  kethu > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagna and dispositor of kethu > > > > saturn in an angle 9th house > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > moon with raghu and  venus with sun not good in  traditional view > > > > 1 5 9 housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > can > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > as many astrologers justify above for things for a positive achievements in life > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person many  may fail to justify > > > > same time many persons are born  then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in length > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the native > > > > with regards > > sairaman > > > >  > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@> > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM > > Re: Sachin's birth details > > > >  > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.// > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. . > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > Thankyou. > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.// > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read. > > > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me).. > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's > > > and this is the way they must be used always. > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my > > > records. > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea > > > of the right Lagna. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88 " Chit 1 > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70 " Jye 2 > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60 " UPha 3 > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04 " PSha 4 > > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora. > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > Regards, > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me > > > the > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ? > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna. > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling > > > > > planet > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know > > > > that > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis] > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973 > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00 > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > sign lord: mercury > > > > > > star lord : Mars > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973 > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00 > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury > > > > > > star lord : Sun > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time : > > > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010 > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20 > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > Jaipur, India > > > > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day > > > > lord > > > > > > jupiter. > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign. > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN]. > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct > > > with > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way. > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be > > > more > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of > > > Mars > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds > > > > better > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it > > > is > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him > > > to > > > > > such > > > > > > heights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is > > > conjunting > > > > Ma > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of > > > > the > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct > > > or > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all > > > > > could > > > > > > > > elarn from the same.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post. > > > Anyway, > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference > > > > but > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish > > > menon > > > > > > horamag@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared > > > > with > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > Bradman > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at > > > > Durban. > > > > > He > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players > > > > > > > > participating > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is > > > 4.25 > > > > pm > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is very close to yours. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Dear Friends, In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the "heck" of it. Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can. Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, Cabinet Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna. Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of "rational" people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology. regards, Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:>> Dear it is frustrating in astrology that once a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive things they  see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > however if it is seen in different angle do not give a rosy picture> > ::all planets between raghu and  kethu> > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagna and dispositor of kethu> > saturn in an angle 9th house > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > moon with raghu and  venus with sun not good in  traditional view> > 1 5 9 housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > can > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > as many astrologers justify above for things for a positive achievements in life > > if the same shown without giving identity of person many  may fail to justify> > same time many persons are born  then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in length > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the native > > with regards > sairaman> >  > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> vijay.goel <goyalvj >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details> >  > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.//> > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. .> Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > Thankyou.> > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.//> > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read.> > Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji,> > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other> > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some> > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not> > wish to let open a bag of problems for me)..> > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's> > and this is the way they must be used always.> > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not> > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my> > records.> > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay.> > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea> > of the right Lagna.> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > >> > > Data 1> > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > >> > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88" Chit 1> > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70" Jye 2> > >> > > Data 2> > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > >> > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60" UPha 3> > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04" PSha 4> > >> > > This is as per Jhora.> > >> > > Thankyou> > > Regards,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur.> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > >> > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me> > the> > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ?> > > >> > > > best wishes,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > >> > > > > Hare Rama Krsna.> > > > >> > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling> > > > planet> > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know> > > that> > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > >> > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis]> > > > >> > > > > Data 1> > > > >> > > > > Natal Chart> > > > >> > > > > April 21, 1973> > > > > Time: 18:01:00> > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > >> > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > sign lord: mercury> > > > > star lord : Mars> > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > sub sub lord : Venus.> > > > >> > > > > Data 2> > > > > Natal Chart> > > > >> > > > > April 24, 1973> > > > > Time: 16:28:00> > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > >> > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > sign lord: Mercury> > > > > star lord : Sun> > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury.> > > > >> > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time :> > > > >> > > > > February 25, 2010> > > > > Time: 20:41:20> > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"> > > > > Jaipur, India> > > > >> > > > > LSRD method > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day> > > lord> > > > > jupiter.> > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign.> > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN].> > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct> > with> > > > > jupiter within 3 deg.> > > > >> > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way.> > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be> > more> > > > > correct.> > > > >> > > > > This exercise is just an experiment.> > > > >> > > > > Thankyou> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > axeplex@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > >> > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of> > Mars> > > > Dasa> > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds> > > better> > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it> > is> > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him> > to> > > > such> > > > > heights.> > > > > >> > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is> > conjunting> > > Ma> > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th).> > > > > >> > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of> > > the> > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct> > or> > > > > wrong,> > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all> > > > could> > > > > > > elarn from the same..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Girishji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post.> > Anyway,> > > > > April> > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference> > > but> > > > > three> > > > > > > days difference in two birth details.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish> > menon> > > > > horamag@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji> > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article> > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared> > > with> > > > > Don> > > > > > > Bradman> > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at> > > Durban.> > > > He> > > > > was> > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players> > > > > > > participating> > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is> > 4.25> > > pm> > > > > which> > > > > > > is very close to yours.> > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > Girish> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Manojji, My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal. I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. regds Dev , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Dear Friends, > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the " heck " of it. > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can. > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, Cabinet Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna. > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of " rational " people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology. > > regards, > > Mouji Ram > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > >  > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ....> wrote: > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that once a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive things they  see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > however if it is seen in different angle do not give a rosy picture > > > > ::all planets between raghu and  kethu > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagna and dispositor of kethu > > > > saturn in an angle 9th house > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > moon with raghu and  venus with sun not good in  traditional view > > > > 1 5 9 housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > can > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > as many astrologers justify above for things for a positive achievements in life > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person many  may fail to justify > > > > same time many persons are born  then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in length > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the native > > > > with regards > > sairaman > > > >  > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details > > > >  > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.// > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. . > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > Thankyou. > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.// > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read. > > > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me).. > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's > > > and this is the way they must be used always. > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my > > > records. > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea > > > of the right Lagna. > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88 " Chit 1 > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70 " Jye 2 > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60 " UPha 3 > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04 " PSha 4 > > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora. > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > Regards, > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me > > > the > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ? > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna. > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling > > > > > planet > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know > > > > that > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis] > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973 > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00 > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > sign lord: mercury > > > > > > star lord : Mars > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973 > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00 > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury > > > > > > star lord : Sun > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time : > > > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010 > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20 > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > Jaipur, India > > > > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day > > > > lord > > > > > > jupiter. > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign. > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN]. > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct > > > with > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way. > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be > > > more > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of > > > Mars > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds > > > > better > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it > > > is > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him > > > to > > > > > such > > > > > > heights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is > > > conjunting > > > > Ma > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of > > > > the > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct > > > or > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all > > > > > could > > > > > > > > elarn from the same.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post. > > > Anyway, > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference > > > > but > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish > > > menon > > > > > > horamag@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared > > > > with > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > Bradman > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at > > > > Durban. > > > > > He > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players > > > > > > > > participating > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is > > > 4.25 > > > > pm > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > is very close to yours. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Dear Dev ji, Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully. Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> >  > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that once a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive things they  see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > however if it is seen in different angle do not give a rosy picture> > > > ::all planets between raghu and  kethu> > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagna and dispositor of kethu> > > > saturn in an angle 9th house > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > moon with raghu and  venus with sun not good in  traditional view> > > > 1 5 9 housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > can > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > as many astrologers justify above for things for a positive achievements in life > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person many  may fail to justify> > > > same time many persons are born  then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in length > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the native > > > > with regards > > sairaman axeplex <axeplex Sent: Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th Manojji,My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal.I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:>> Dear Friends,> > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the "heck" of it.> > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can.> > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, Cabinet Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna.> > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of "rational" people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology.> > regards,> > Mouji Ram> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> axeplex <axeplex >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> >  > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that once a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive things they  see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > however if it is seen in different angle do not give a rosy picture> > > > ::all planets between raghu and  kethu> > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagna and dispositor of kethu> > > > saturn in an angle 9th house > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > moon with raghu and  venus with sun not good in  traditional view> > > > 1 5 9 housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > can > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > as many astrologers justify above for things for a positive achievements in life > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person many  may fail to justify> > > > same time many persons are born  then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in length > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the native > > > > with regards > > sairaman> > > >  > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details> > > >  > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.//> > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. .> > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > Thankyou.> > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.//> > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read.> > > > Regards,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji,> > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other> > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some> > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not> > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me)..> > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's> > > and this is the way they must be used always.> > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not> > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my> > > records.> > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay.> > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea> > > of the right Lagna.> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > >> > > > Data 1> > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > >> > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88" Chit 1> > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70" Jye 2> > > >> > > > Data 2> > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > >> > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60" UPha 3> > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04" PSha 4> > > >> > > > This is as per Jhora.> > > >> > > > Thankyou> > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > Jaipur.> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > >> > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me> > > the> > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ?> > > > >> > > > > best wishes,> > > > >> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna.> > > > > >> > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling> > > > > planet> > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know> > > > that> > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > >> > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis]> > > > > >> > > > > > Data 1> > > > > >> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > >> > > > > > April 21, 1973> > > > > > Time: 18:01:00> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > >> > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > sign lord: mercury> > > > > > star lord : Mars> > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus.> > > > > >> > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > >> > > > > > April 24, 1973> > > > > > Time: 16:28:00> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > >> > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > sign lord: Mercury> > > > > > star lord : Sun> > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury.> > > > > >> > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time :> > > > > >> > > > > > February 25, 2010> > > > > > Time: 20:41:20> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"> > > > > > Jaipur, India> > > > > >> > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day> > > > lord> > > > > > jupiter.> > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign.> > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN].> > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct> > > with> > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg.> > > > > >> > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way.> > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be> > > more> > > > > > correct.> > > > > >> > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > axeplex@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of> > > Mars> > > > > Dasa> > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds> > > > better> > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it> > > is> > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him> > > to> > > > > such> > > > > > heights.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is> > > conjunting> > > > Ma> > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th).> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of> > > > the> > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct> > > or> > > > > > wrong,> > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all> > > > > could> > > > > > > > elarn from the same..> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Girishji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post.> > > Anyway,> > > > > > April> > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference> > > > but> > > > > > three> > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish> > > menon> > > > > > horamag@> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji> > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article> > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared> > > > with> > > > > > Don> > > > > > > > Bradman> > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at> > > > Durban.> > > > > He> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players> > > > > > > > participating> > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is> > > 4.25> > > > pm> > > > > > which> > > > > > > > is very close to yours.> > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > Girish> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Â> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post. regds Dev , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully. > > Mouji Ram > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > >  > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that once a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive things they  see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angle do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > ::all planets between raghu and  kethu > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagna and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th house > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > moon with raghu and  venus with sun not good in  traditional view > > > > > > 1 5 9 housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > can > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above for things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person many  may fail to justify > > > > > > same time many persons are born  then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in length > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the native > > > > > > with regards > > > sairaman > > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM > Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > >  > Manojji, > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal. > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the " heck " of it. > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can. > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, Cabinet Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna. > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of " rational " people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology. > > > > regards, > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > >  > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that once a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive things they  see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angle do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > ::all planets between raghu and  kethu > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagna and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th house > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > moon with raghu and  venus with sun not good in  traditional view > > > > > > 1 5 9 housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > can > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above for things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person many  may fail to justify > > > > > > same time many persons are born  then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in length > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the native > > > > > > with regards > > > sairaman > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.// > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. .. > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > Thankyou. > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.// > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Vijay Goel > > > Jaipur > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me).. > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's > > > > and this is the way they must be used always. > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my > > > > records. > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea > > > > of the right Lagna. > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88 " Chit 1 > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70 " Jye 2 > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60 " UPha 3 > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04 " PSha 4 > > > > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora. > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me > > > > the > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know > > > > > that > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973 > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00 > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury > > > > > > > star lord : Mars > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973 > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00 > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury > > > > > > > star lord : Sun > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010 > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20 > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > Jaipur, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day > > > > > lord > > > > > > > jupiter. > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign. > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN]. > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct > > > > with > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way. > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be > > > > more > > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of > > > > Mars > > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds > > > > > better > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it > > > > is > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him > > > > to > > > > > > such > > > > > > > heights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is > > > > conjunting > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct > > > > or > > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post. > > > > Anyway, > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference > > > > > but > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish > > > > menon > > > > > > > horamag@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared > > > > > with > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > Bradman > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at > > > > > Durban. > > > > > > He > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players > > > > > > > > > participating > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is > > > > 4.25 > > > > > pm > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Dear Dev ji, You want me to laugh or what. Badhaka/Kendra Adhipatya yoga/Karko Bhav Nasahaya are the tools of loser astrologers. You mean to say, 1/3rd of generation today would be devoid of marital happiness, 1/3rd of the generation would be devoid of Bhagya and 1/3rd of the generation would have no income. Theoretically possible but practically impossible. So think before you utter something. Anyway, where is the mail you are referring you. You talk of divisional charts and are scary of D/10 for 21st whereas I gave you a contrary picture. Now I can safely assume that you have nothing to show astrologically except to doubt everyone else. still regards, mouji ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:>> Dear Dev ji,> > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully.> > Mouji Ram> > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > >  > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > regds> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that once a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive things they  see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > however if it is seen in different angle do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > ::all planets between raghu and  kethu> > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagna and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th house > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > moon with raghu and  venus with sun not good in  traditional view> > > > > > 1 5 9 housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > can > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above for things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person many  may fail to justify> > > > > > same time many persons are born  then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in length > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the native > > > > > > with regards > > > sairaman> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> axeplex <axeplex >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> >  > Manojji,> > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal.> > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Friends,> > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the "heck" of it.> > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can.> > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, Cabinet Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna.> > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of "rational" people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology.> > > > regards,> > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > >  > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > regds> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that once a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive things they  see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > however if it is seen in different angle do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > ::all planets between raghu and  kethu> > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagna and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th house > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > moon with raghu and  venus with sun not good in  traditional view> > > > > > 1 5 9 housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > can > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above for things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person many  may fail to justify> > > > > > same time many persons are born  then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in length > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the native > > > > > > with regards > > > sairaman> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.//> > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. .> > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > Thankyou.> > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.//> > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji,> > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other> > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some> > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not> > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me)..> > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's> > > > and this is the way they must be used always.> > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not> > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my> > > > records.> > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay.> > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea> > > > of the right Lagna.> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > >> > > > > Data 1> > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > >> > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88" Chit 1> > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70" Jye 2> > > > >> > > > > Data 2> > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > >> > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60" UPha 3> > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04" PSha 4> > > > >> > > > > This is as per Jhora.> > > > >> > > > > Thankyou> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me> > > > the> > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ?> > > > > >> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling> > > > > > planet> > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know> > > > > that> > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis]> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > >> > > > > > > April 21, 1973> > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > sign lord: mercury> > > > > > > star lord : Mars> > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > >> > > > > > > April 24, 1973> > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury> > > > > > > star lord : Sun> > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > February 25, 2010> > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > Jaipur, India> > > > > > >> > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day> > > > > lord> > > > > > > jupiter.> > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign.> > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN].> > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct> > > > with> > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way.> > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be> > > > more> > > > > > > correct.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of> > > > Mars> > > > > > Dasa> > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds> > > > > better> > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it> > > > is> > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him> > > > to> > > > > > such> > > > > > > heights.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is> > > > conjunting> > > > > Ma> > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct> > > > or> > > > > > > wrong,> > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all> > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > elarn from the same..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Girishji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post.> > > > Anyway,> > > > > > > April> > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference> > > > > but> > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish> > > > menon> > > > > > > horamag@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji> > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article> > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared> > > > > with> > > > > > > Don> > > > > > > > > Bradman> > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at> > > > > Durban.> > > > > > He> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players> > > > > > > > > participating> > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is> > > > 4.25> > > > > pm> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > is very close to yours.> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > Girish> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Sairamji,Lenghthy mail takes time....Just to add, few things you have written by mistakelike kala Sarpa Yoga etc. Few of the answers to your questions can be found inD-charts. Few questions remain unanswered and this is the reaon everybody triesto learn more and more to know those gaps.(And you can see how even highlyexperienced guys in the group would be willing to learn new things). Mouji : You have only negated it partially. Why do you not show it your way in the D=Charts. Now do not say that you will teach only worthy students because one such person who used to say such things cannot show his face now in Jyotish Group. You say many known names were exposed here, I would like to know, who were those big names. Baadhaka Mercury - In 2005, he was running Me AD as per 24th April data, may bewhen people were writing him off , could be related to that.... Also Me was notsupportive in D-10.Mouji : Dont talk in probabilities. Talk in affirmatives. Show it if you can. regards, Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:>> Dear Dev ji,> > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully.> > Mouji Ram> > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > >  > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > regds> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that once a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive things they  see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > however if it is seen in different angle do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > ::all planets between raghu and  kethu> > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagna and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th house > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > moon with raghu and  venus with sun not good in  traditional view> > > > > > 1 5 9 housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > can > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above for things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person many  may fail to justify> > > > > > same time many persons are born  then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in length > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the native > > > > > > with regards > > > sairaman> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> axeplex <axeplex >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> >  > Manojji,> > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal.> > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Friends,> > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the "heck" of it.> > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can.> > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, Cabinet Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna.> > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of "rational" people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology.> > > > regards,> > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > >  > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > regds> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that once a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive things they  see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > however if it is seen in different angle do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > ::all planets between raghu and  kethu> > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagna and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th house > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > moon with raghu and  venus with sun not good in  traditional view> > > > > > 1 5 9 housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > can > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above for things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person many  may fail to justify> > > > > > same time many persons are born  then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in length > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the native > > > > > > with regards > > > sairaman> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.//> > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. .> > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > Thankyou.> > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.//> > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji,> > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other> > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some> > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not> > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me)..> > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's> > > > and this is the way they must be used always.> > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not> > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my> > > > records.> > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay.> > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea> > > > of the right Lagna.> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > >> > > > > Data 1> > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > >> > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88" Chit 1> > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70" Jye 2> > > > >> > > > > Data 2> > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > >> > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60" UPha 3> > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04" PSha 4> > > > >> > > > > This is as per Jhora.> > > > >> > > > > Thankyou> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me> > > > the> > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ?> > > > > >> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling> > > > > > planet> > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know> > > > > that> > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis]> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > >> > > > > > > April 21, 1973> > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > sign lord: mercury> > > > > > > star lord : Mars> > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > >> > > > > > > April 24, 1973> > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury> > > > > > > star lord : Sun> > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time :> > > > > > >> > > > > > > February 25, 2010> > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > Jaipur, India> > > > > > >> > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day> > > > > lord> > > > > > > jupiter.> > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign.> > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN].> > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct> > > > with> > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way.> > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be> > > > more> > > > > > > correct.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of> > > > Mars> > > > > > Dasa> > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds> > > > > better> > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it> > > > is> > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him> > > > to> > > > > > such> > > > > > > heights.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is> > > > conjunting> > > > > Ma> > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th).> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct> > > > or> > > > > > > wrong,> > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all> > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > elarn from the same..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Girishji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post.> > > > Anyway,> > > > > > > April> > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference> > > > > but> > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish> > > > menon> > > > > > > horamag@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji> > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article> > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared> > > > > with> > > > > > > Don> > > > > > > > > Bradman> > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at> > > > > Durban.> > > > > > He> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players> > > > > > > > > participating> > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is> > > > 4.25> > > > > pm> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > is very close to yours.> > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > Girish> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Dear All,Sh. Manoj pathak ji's article of 2005 can now be viewed on the Journal of Astrology website athttp://www.journalofastrology.com/article.php?article_id=275 I had got many queries privately requesting for the article and was actually thinking of scanning and posting in the group.Wishes come true sometimes!RegardsNeelamOn 27 February 2010 20:45, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:  Dear Dev ji,  You want me to laugh or what. Badhaka/Kendra Adhipatya yoga/Karko Bhav Nasahaya are the tools of loser astrologers. You mean to say, 1/3rd of generation today would be devoid of marital happiness, 1/3rd of the generation would be devoid of Bhagya and 1/3rd of the generation would have no income.  Theoretically possible but practically impossible. So think before you utter something. Anyway, where is the mail you are referring you. You talk of divisional charts and are scary of D/10 for 21st whereas I gave you a contrary picture.  Now I can safely assume that you have nothing to show astrologically except to doubt everyone else.  still regards,  mouji ram axeplex <axeplex Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th  There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: >> Dear Dev ji,> > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully.> > Mouji Ram> > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > >  > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > regds> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that once a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive things they  see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > however if it is seen in different angle do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > ::all planets between raghu and  kethu > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagna and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th house > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > moon with raghu and  venus with sun not good in  traditional view> > > > > > 1 5 9 housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > can > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above for things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person many  may fail to justify > > > > > > same time many persons are born  then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in length > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the native > > > > > > with regards > > > sairaman > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> axeplex <axeplex >> ancient_indian_ astrology > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> >  > Manojji,> > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal. > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Friends,> > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the " heck " of it. > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can.> > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, Cabinet Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna. > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of " rational " people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology.> > > > regards,> > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > >  > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > regds> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > >> > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that once a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive things they  see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angle do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > ::all planets between raghu and  kethu> > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagna and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th house > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > moon with raghu and  venus with sun not good in  traditional view > > > > > > 1 5 9 housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > can > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above for things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person many  may fail to justify> > > > > > same time many persons are born  then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in length > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the native > > > > > > with regards > > > sairaman> > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.// > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. . > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > Thankyou.> > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.//> > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Vijay Goel> > > Jaipur> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji,> > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other> > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not> > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me)..> > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's> > > > and this is the way they must be used always.> > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my> > > > records.> > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay.> > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea> > > > of the right Lagna.> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > >> > > > > Data 1> > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > >> > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88 " Chit 1 > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70 " Jye 2> > > > >> > > > > Data 2> > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > >> > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60 " UPha 3 > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04 " PSha 4> > > > >> > > > > This is as per Jhora.> > > > >> > > > > Thankyou> > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur.> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me > > > > the> > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ?> > > > > >> > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > >> > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling> > > > > > planet > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know> > > > > that> > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis]> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > >> > > > > > > April 21, 1973> > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury> > > > > > > star lord : Mars> > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > >> > > > > > > April 24, 1973 > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury> > > > > > > star lord : Sun> > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time :> > > > > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010> > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > Jaipur, India> > > > > > >> > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day> > > > > lord> > > > > > > jupiter.> > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign.> > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN]. > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct> > > > with> > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way.> > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be> > > > more > > > > > > > correct.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > axeplex@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of > > > > Mars> > > > > > Dasa> > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds> > > > > better> > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it > > > > is> > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him> > > > to> > > > > > such> > > > > > > heights.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is> > > > conjunting> > > > > Ma> > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th). > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of> > > > > the > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct> > > > or> > > > > > > wrong,> > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > elarn from the same..> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post. > > > > Anyway,> > > > > > > April> > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference> > > > > but> > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish> > > > menon> > > > > > > horamag@ > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji> > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared> > > > > with> > > > > > > Don> > > > > > > > > Bradman > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at> > > > > Durban.> > > > > > He> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players> > > > > > > > > participating > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is > > > > 4.25> > > > > pm> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > is very close to yours.> > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Girish> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Manojji, if it is making you laugh, nothing like that. In fact, your post is also making me laugh. So that way, we both are getting benefited. By the way what I learnt about baadhaka is not what you have written, so there is no point that 1/3rd would lose bhagya, marital happiness etc. etc. Baadhaka is simple a Baadha. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood. By the way, one more input. In 21st April chart, Ve is with Su and both happens to be enemy. In 24th chart, Mars is with Ju and both happens to be friends. And also do not make comments. I don't make any. But yes, if someone makes, I do retaliate. Check all my posts, I am never the first to make any personal comment against anyone. regds Dev , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Dear Dev ji, > > You want me to laugh or what. Badhaka/Kendra Adhipatya yoga/Karko Bhav Nasahaya are the tools of loser astrologers. You mean to say, 1/3rd of generation today would be devoid of marital happiness, 1/3rd of the generation would be devoid of Bhagya and 1/3rd of the generation would have no income. > > Theoretically possible but practically impossible. So think before you utter something. Anyway, where is the mail you are referring you. You talk of divisional charts and are scary of D/10 for 21st whereas I gave you a contrary picture. > > Now I can safely assume that you have nothing to show astrologically except to doubt everyone else. > > still regards, > > mouji ram > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM > Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > >  > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully. > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > >  > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ kethu > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'‚ > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > >  > > Manojji, > > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal. > > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the " heck " of it. > > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can. > > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, Cabinet Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna. > > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of " rational " people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > >  > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ kethu > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'‚ > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.// > > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. . > > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > Thankyou. > > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.// > > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > Jaipur > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other > > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some > > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not > > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me).. > > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's > > > > > and this is the way they must be used always. > > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not > > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my > > > > > records. > > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea > > > > > of the right Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88 " Chit 1 > > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70 " Jye 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60 " UPha 3 > > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04 " PSha 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me > > > > > the > > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973 > > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00 > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury > > > > > > > > star lord : Mars > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973 > > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00 > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury > > > > > > > > star lord : Sun > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010 > > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20 > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > Jaipur, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > jupiter. > > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign. > > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN]. > > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct > > > > > with > > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way. > > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be > > > > > more > > > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him > > > > > to > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > heights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is > > > > > conjunting > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct > > > > > or > > > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post. > > > > > Anyway, > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish > > > > > menon > > > > > > > > horamag@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article > > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > Bradman > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at > > > > > > Durban. > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players > > > > > > > > > > participating > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is > > > > > 4.25 > > > > > > pm > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 So you found my mail. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood. regds Dev , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Sairamji, > > Lenghthy mail takes time....Just to add, few things you have written by mistake > like kala Sarpa Yoga etc. Few of the answers to your questions can be found in > D-charts. Few questions remain unanswered and this is the reaon everybody tries > to learn more and more to know those gaps.(And you can see how even highly > experienced guys in the group would be willing to learn new things). > > Mouji : You have only negated it partially. Why do you not show it your way in the D=Charts. Now do not say that you will teach only worthy students because one such person who used to say such things cannot show his face now in Jyotish Group. You say many known names were exposed here, I would like to know, who were those big names. > > Baadhaka Mercury - In 2005, he was running Me AD as per 24th April data, may be > when people were writing him off , could be related to that.... Also Me was not > supportive in D-10. > > Mouji : Dont talk in probabilities. Talk in affirmatives. Show it if you can. > > regards, > > Mouji Ram > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM > Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > >  > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully. > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > >  > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ kethu > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'‚ > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > >  > > Manojji, > > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal. > > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the " heck " of it. > > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can. > > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, Cabinet Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna. > > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of " rational " people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > >  > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ kethu > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'‚ > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.// > > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. . > > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > Thankyou. > > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.// > > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > Jaipur > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other > > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some > > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not > > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me).. > > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's > > > > > and this is the way they must be used always. > > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not > > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my > > > > > records. > > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea > > > > > of the right Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88 " Chit 1 > > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70 " Jye 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60 " UPha 3 > > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04 " PSha 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me > > > > > the > > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973 > > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00 > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury > > > > > > > > star lord : Mars > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973 > > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00 > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury > > > > > > > > star lord : Sun > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010 > > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20 > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > Jaipur, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > jupiter. > > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign. > > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN]. > > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct > > > > > with > > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way. > > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be > > > > > more > > > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him > > > > > to > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > heights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is > > > > > conjunting > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct > > > > > or > > > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post. > > > > > Anyway, > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish > > > > > menon > > > > > > > > horamag@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article > > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > Bradman > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at > > > > > > Durban. > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players > > > > > > > > > > participating > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is > > > > > 4.25 > > > > > > pm > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Dear members My doubt regarding his DOB He celebrated his birth day in Durban on april 24th Why on earth should such a genius fake it. As per K.N rao he had challenged the authenticity of Kala sarpa yoga But the fact is sachin had visited Kuke Subramaniam temple for the same (may be he believes it) I had personally seen his photographs in the hotel where he stayed. Now to have this yoga it is possible only if the DOB is on 24th. Thanks and regards Girish --- On Sat, 2/27/10, axeplex <axeplex wrote:axeplex <axeplex Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th Date: Saturday, February 27, 2010, 7:39 AM So you found my mail. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood. regds Dev ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote: > > Sairamji, > > Lenghthy mail takes time....Just to add, few things you have written by mistake > like kala Sarpa Yoga etc. Few of the answers to your questions can be found in > D-charts. Few questions remain unanswered and this is the reaon everybody tries > to learn more and more to know those gaps.(And you can see how even highly > experienced guys in the group would be willing to learn new things). > > Mouji : You have only negated it partially. Why do you not show it your way in the D=Charts. Now do not say that you will teach only worthy students because one such person who used to say such things cannot show his face now in Jyotish Group. You say many known names were exposed here, I would like to know, who were those big names. > > Baadhaka Mercury - In 2005, he was running Me AD as per 24th April data, may be > when people were writing him off , could be related to that.... Also Me was not > supportive in D-10. > > Mouji : Dont talk in probabilities. Talk in affirmatives. Show it if you can. > > regards, > > Mouji Ram > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > axeplex <axeplex > > ancient_indian_ astrology > Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > >  > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully. > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > >  > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ kethu > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'‚ > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > >  > > Manojji, > > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal. > > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the "heck" of it. > > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can. > > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, Cabinet Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna. > > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of "rational" people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > >  > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ kethu > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'‚ > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.// > > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. . > > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > Thankyou. > > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.// > > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > Jaipur > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other > > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some > > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not > > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me).. > > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's > > > > > and this is the way they must be used always. > > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not > > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my > > > > > records. > > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea > > > > > of the right Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel" > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88" Chit 1 > > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70" Jye 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60" UPha 3 > > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04" PSha 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me > > > > > the > > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel" > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973 > > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00 > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00" > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury > > > > > > > > star lord : Mars > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973 > > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00 > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00" > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury > > > > > > > > star lord : Sun > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010 > > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20 > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00" > > > > > > > > Jaipur, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > jupiter. > > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign. > > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN]. > > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct > > > > > with > > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way. > > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be > > > > > more > > > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it > > > > > is > > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him > > > > > to > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > heights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is > > > > > conjunting > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct > > > > > or > > > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex" > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post. > > > > > Anyway, > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish > > > > > menon > > > > > > > > horamag@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article > > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > Bradman > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at > > > > > > Durban. > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players > > > > > > > > > > participating > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is > > > > > 4.25 > > > > > > pm > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Hahaha.....before you go on to say anything first explain conjunction results of Moon and Rahu in the fourth house in the 24th chart. I will come to D/10, I have already showed the farce you wanted to show in D/10 when it was not even confirmed in D/1. no regards, Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 7:37:01 AM Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th Manojji, if it is making you laugh, nothing like that. In fact, your post is also making me laugh. So that way, we both are getting benefited. By the way what I learnt about baadhaka is not what you have written, so there is no point that 1/3rd would lose bhagya, marital happiness etc. etc. Baadhaka is simple a Baadha. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood.By the way, one more input. In 21st April chart, Ve is with Su and both happens to be enemy. In 24th chart, Mars is with Ju and both happens to be friends.And also do not make comments. I don't make any. But yes, if someone makes, I do retaliate. Check all my posts, I am never the first to make any personal comment against anyone.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:>> Dear Dev ji, > > You want me to laugh or what. Badhaka/Kendra Adhipatya yoga/Karko Bhav Nasahaya are the tools of loser astrologers. You mean to say, 1/3rd of generation today would be devoid of marital happiness, 1/3rd of the generation would be devoid of Bhagya and 1/3rd of the generation would have no income. > > Theoretically possible but practically impossible. So think before you utter something. Anyway, where is the mail you are referring you. You talk of divisional charts and are scary of D/10 for 21st whereas I gave you a contrary picture.> > Now I can safely assume that you have nothing to show astrologically except to doubt everyone else. > > still regards,> > mouji ram> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> axeplex <axeplex >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> >  > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Dev ji,> > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully.> > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > >  > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > > > regds> > > Dev> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ kethu> > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'‚ traditional view> > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > > > canÃÆ'‚ > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify> > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > sairaman> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > >  > > Manojji,> > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal.> > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > regds> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the "heck" of it.> > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can.> > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, Cabinet Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna.> > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of "rational" people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology.> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > >  > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > > > regds> > > Dev> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ kethu> > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'‚ traditional view> > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > > > canÃÆ'‚ > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify> > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > sairaman> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.//> > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. .> > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > Thankyou.> > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.//> > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > Jaipur> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji,> > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other> > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some> > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not> > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me)..> > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's> > > > > and this is the way they must be used always.> > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not> > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my> > > > > records.> > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay.> > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea> > > > > of the right Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > > >> > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88" Chit 1> > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70" Jye 2> > > > > >> > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > > >> > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60" UPha 3> > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04" PSha 4> > > > > >> > > > > > This is as per Jhora.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me> > > > > the> > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling> > > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis]> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > April 21, 1973> > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury> > > > > > > > star lord : Mars> > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > April 24, 1973> > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury> > > > > > > > star lord : Sun> > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time :> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > February 25, 2010> > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > Jaipur, India> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > jupiter.> > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign.> > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN].> > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct> > > > > with> > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way.> > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be> > > > > more> > > > > > > > correct.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of> > > > > Mars> > > > > > > Dasa> > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds> > > > > > better> > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it> > > > > is> > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him> > > > > to> > > > > > > such> > > > > > > > heights.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is> > > > > conjunting> > > > > > Ma> > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct> > > > > or> > > > > > > > wrong,> > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all> > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same..> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Girishji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post.> > > > > Anyway,> > > > > > > > April> > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference> > > > > > but> > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish> > > > > menon> > > > > > > > horamag@> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji> > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article> > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > Don> > > > > > > > > > Bradman> > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at> > > > > > Durban.> > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players> > > > > > > > > > participating> > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is> > > > > 4.25> > > > > > pm> > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > Girish> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 There is no personal comment, if you read carefully. You are being charged for not explaining it astrologically. Explain your concept with examples not just on your whims and fancies. We are talking astrology here dear. Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 7:37:01 AM Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th Manojji, if it is making you laugh, nothing like that. In fact, your post is also making me laugh. So that way, we both are getting benefited. By the way what I learnt about baadhaka is not what you have written, so there is no point that 1/3rd would lose bhagya, marital happiness etc. etc. Baadhaka is simple a Baadha. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood.By the way, one more input. In 21st April chart, Ve is with Su and both happens to be enemy. In 24th chart, Mars is with Ju and both happens to be friends.And also do not make comments. I don't make any. But yes, if someone makes, I do retaliate. Check all my posts, I am never the first to make any personal comment against anyone.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:>> Dear Dev ji, > > You want me to laugh or what. Badhaka/Kendra Adhipatya yoga/Karko Bhav Nasahaya are the tools of loser astrologers. You mean to say, 1/3rd of generation today would be devoid of marital happiness, 1/3rd of the generation would be devoid of Bhagya and 1/3rd of the generation would have no income. > > Theoretically possible but practically impossible. So think before you utter something. Anyway, where is the mail you are referring you. You talk of divisional charts and are scary of D/10 for 21st whereas I gave you a contrary picture.> > Now I can safely assume that you have nothing to show astrologically except to doubt everyone else. > > still regards,> > mouji ram> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> axeplex <axeplex >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> >  > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Dev ji,> > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully.> > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > >  > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > > > regds> > > Dev> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ kethu> > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'‚ traditional view> > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > > > canÃÆ'‚ > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify> > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > sairaman> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > >  > > Manojji,> > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal.> > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > regds> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the "heck" of it.> > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can.> > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, Cabinet Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna.> > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of "rational" people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology.> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > >  > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > > > regds> > > Dev> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ kethu> > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'‚ traditional view> > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > > > canÃÆ'‚ > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify> > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > sairaman> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.//> > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. .> > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > Thankyou.> > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.//> > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay Goel> > > > Jaipur> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji,> > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other> > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some> > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not> > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me)..> > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's> > > > > and this is the way they must be used always.> > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not> > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my> > > > > records.> > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay.> > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea> > > > > of the right Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > > >> > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88" Chit 1> > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70" Jye 2> > > > > >> > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > > >> > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60" UPha 3> > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04" PSha 4> > > > > >> > > > > > This is as per Jhora.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me> > > > > the> > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ?> > > > > > >> > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling> > > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis]> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > April 21, 1973> > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury> > > > > > > > star lord : Mars> > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > April 24, 1973> > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury> > > > > > > > star lord : Sun> > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time :> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > February 25, 2010> > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > Jaipur, India> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day> > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > jupiter.> > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign.> > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN].> > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct> > > > > with> > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way.> > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be> > > > > more> > > > > > > > correct.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > axeplex@> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of> > > > > Mars> > > > > > > Dasa> > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds> > > > > > better> > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it> > > > > is> > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him> > > > > to> > > > > > > such> > > > > > > > heights.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is> > > > > conjunting> > > > > > Ma> > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th).> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct> > > > > or> > > > > > > > wrong,> > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all> > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same..> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Girishji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post.> > > > > Anyway,> > > > > > > > April> > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference> > > > > > but> > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish> > > > > menon> > > > > > > > horamag@> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji> > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article> > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > Don> > > > > > > > > > Bradman> > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at> > > > > > Durban.> > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players> > > > > > > > > > participating> > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is> > > > > 4.25> > > > > > pm> > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > Girish> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Where have showed any farce in D-10 and be selective in your wording first. Whatever you are or whatever artice you are referring to, there has to be certain basics in life that needs to be followed.If I tell my 6 years kid that this is like this even he asks me why. This is how new generation is. You have just written in 21st case, Venus is in 7th lording 2nd and 10th and I have already wrote you that MArs is better in 24th case as a candiadte for all the reasons I have written in my previous mails. Please first read, understand the mails and then make comments. Natal charts are almost same so there is not much to comment apart from 3-4 factors that I have also written in my previous posts. ra is with Moon in 4th in 24th chart and Moon happens to be 11th lord, what is the issue with this? regds Dev , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Hahaha.....before you go on to say anything first explain conjunction results of Moon and Rahu in the fourth house in the 24th chart. I will come to D/10, I have already showed the farce you wanted to show in D/10 when it was not even confirmed in D/1. > > no regards, > > Mouji Ram > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Sat, February 27, 2010 7:37:01 AM > Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > >  > Manojji, if it is making you laugh, nothing like that. In fact, your post is also making me laugh. So that way, we both are getting benefited. By the way what I learnt about baadhaka is not what you have written, so there is no point that 1/3rd would lose bhagya, marital happiness etc. etc. Baadhaka is simple a Baadha. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood. > > By the way, one more input. In 21st April chart, Ve is with Su and both happens to be enemy. In 24th chart, Mars is with Ju and both happens to be friends. > > And also do not make comments. I don't make any. But yes, if someone makes, I do retaliate. Check all my posts, I am never the first to make any personal comment against anyone. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > You want me to laugh or what. Badhaka/Kendra Adhipatya yoga/Karko Bhav Nasahaya are the tools of loser astrologers. You mean to say, 1/3rd of generation today would be devoid of marital happiness, 1/3rd of the generation would be devoid of Bhagya and 1/3rd of the generation would have no income. > > > > Theoretically possible but practically impossible. So think before you utter something. Anyway, where is the mail you are referring you. You talk of divisional charts and are scary of D/10 for 21st whereas I gave you a contrary picture. > > > > Now I can safely assume that you have nothing to show astrologically except to doubt everyone else. > > > > still regards, > > > > mouji ram > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > >  > > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully. > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > >  > > > Manojji, > > > > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal. > > > > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the " heck " of it. > > > > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can. > > > > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, CabinetÃÆ'‚ Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna. > > > > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of " rational " people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.// > > > > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. . > > > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > > Thankyou. > > > > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.// > > > > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > Jaipur > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other > > > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some > > > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not > > > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me).. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's > > > > > > and this is the way they must be used always. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not > > > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my > > > > > > records. > > > > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea > > > > > > of the right Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88 " Chit 1 > > > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70 " Jye 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60 " UPha 3 > > > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04 " PSha 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling > > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973 > > > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00 > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury > > > > > > > > > star lord : Mars > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973 > > > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00 > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury > > > > > > > > > star lord : Sun > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010 > > > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20 > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > > Jaipur, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > jupiter. > > > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign. > > > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN]. > > > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way. > > > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > heights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is > > > > > > conjunting > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post. > > > > > > Anyway, > > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish > > > > > > menon > > > > > > > > > horamag@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article > > > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > Bradman > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at > > > > > > > Durban. > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players > > > > > > > > > > > participating > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is > > > > > > 4.25 > > > > > > > pm > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Who are you to charge? You are not God. Select your words first, then we shall talk astrology but definitely not only your astrology. regds Dev , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > There is no personal comment, if you read carefully. You are being charged for not explaining it astrologically. Explain your concept with examples not just on your whims and fancies. We are talking astrology here dear. > > Mouji Ram > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Sat, February 27, 2010 7:37:01 AM > Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > >  > Manojji, if it is making you laugh, nothing like that. In fact, your post is also making me laugh. So that way, we both are getting benefited. By the way what I learnt about baadhaka is not what you have written, so there is no point that 1/3rd would lose bhagya, marital happiness etc. etc. Baadhaka is simple a Baadha. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood. > > By the way, one more input. In 21st April chart, Ve is with Su and both happens to be enemy. In 24th chart, Mars is with Ju and both happens to be friends. > > And also do not make comments. I don't make any. But yes, if someone makes, I do retaliate. Check all my posts, I am never the first to make any personal comment against anyone. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > You want me to laugh or what. Badhaka/Kendra Adhipatya yoga/Karko Bhav Nasahaya are the tools of loser astrologers. You mean to say, 1/3rd of generation today would be devoid of marital happiness, 1/3rd of the generation would be devoid of Bhagya and 1/3rd of the generation would have no income. > > > > Theoretically possible but practically impossible. So think before you utter something. Anyway, where is the mail you are referring you. You talk of divisional charts and are scary of D/10 for 21st whereas I gave you a contrary picture. > > > > Now I can safely assume that you have nothing to show astrologically except to doubt everyone else. > > > > still regards, > > > > mouji ram > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > >  > > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully. > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > >  > > > Manojji, > > > > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal. > > > > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the " heck " of it. > > > > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can. > > > > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, CabinetÃÆ'‚ Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna. > > > > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of " rational " people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.// > > > > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. . > > > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > > Thankyou. > > > > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.// > > > > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > Jaipur > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other > > > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some > > > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not > > > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me).. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's > > > > > > and this is the way they must be used always. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not > > > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my > > > > > > records. > > > > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea > > > > > > of the right Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88 " Chit 1 > > > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70 " Jye 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60 " UPha 3 > > > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04 " PSha 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling > > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973 > > > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00 > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury > > > > > > > > > star lord : Mars > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973 > > > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00 > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury > > > > > > > > > star lord : Sun > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010 > > > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20 > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > > Jaipur, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > jupiter. > > > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign. > > > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN]. > > > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way. > > > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > heights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is > > > > > > conjunting > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post. > > > > > > Anyway, > > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish > > > > > > menon > > > > > > > > > horamag@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article > > > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > Bradman > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at > > > > > > > Durban. > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players > > > > > > > > > > > participating > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is > > > > > > 4.25 > > > > > > > pm > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 There is no Ve involved in 24, so why shall i talk of Ve in 24? I have already written in my posts, please read. regds Dev , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > No you have not. You only explained Mars in D/10. Not Venus according to 24. Do it before you move forward. > > Mouji Ram > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Sat, February 27, 2010 7:39:46 AM > Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > >  > So you found my mail. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Sairamji, > > > > Lenghthy mail takes time....Just to add, few things you have written by mistake > > like kala Sarpa Yoga etc. Few of the answers to your questions can be found in > > D-charts. Few questions remain unanswered and this is the reaon everybody tries > > to learn more and more to know those gaps.(And you can see how even highly > > experienced guys in the group would be willing to learn new things). > > > > Mouji : You have only negated it partially. Why do you not show it your way in the D=Charts. Now do not say that you will teach only worthy students because one such person who used to say such things cannot show his face now in Jyotish Group. You say many known names were exposed here, I would like to know, who were those big names. > > > > Baadhaka Mercury - In 2005, he was running Me AD as per 24th April data, may be > > when people were writing him off , could be related to that.... Also Me was not > > supportive in D-10. > > > > Mouji : Dont talk in probabilities. Talk in affirmatives. Show it if you can. > > > > regards, > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > >  > > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully. > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > >  > > > Manojji, > > > > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal. > > > > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the " heck " of it. > > > > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can. > > > > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, CabinetÃÆ'‚ Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna. > > > > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of " rational " people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology. > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.// > > > > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. . > > > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > > Thankyou. > > > > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.// > > > > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > Jaipur > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other > > > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some > > > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not > > > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me).. > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's > > > > > > and this is the way they must be used always. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not > > > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my > > > > > > records. > > > > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea > > > > > > of the right Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88 " Chit 1 > > > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70 " Jye 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60 " UPha 3 > > > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04 " PSha 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling > > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973 > > > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00 > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury > > > > > > > > > star lord : Mars > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973 > > > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00 > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury > > > > > > > > > star lord : Sun > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010 > > > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20 > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > > Jaipur, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > jupiter. > > > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign. > > > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN]. > > > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way. > > > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > heights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is > > > > > > conjunting > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post. > > > > > > Anyway, > > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish > > > > > > menon > > > > > > > > > horamag@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article > > > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > Bradman > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at > > > > > > > Durban. > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players > > > > > > > > > > > participating > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is > > > > > > 4.25 > > > > > > > pm > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Very simple. If you do not understand it and still called to be an astrologer, is in itself is a shame. Explain lord ship of Mars in birth chart and D/10 and his rise. Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 7:57:19 AM Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th Where have showed any farce in D-10 and be selective in your wording first. Whatever you are or whatever artice you are referring to, there has to be certain basics in life that needs to be followed.If I tell my 6 years kid that this is like this even he asks me why. This is how new generation is. You have just written in 21st case, Venus is in 7th lording 2nd and 10th and I have already wrote you that MArs is better in 24th case as a candiadte for all the reasons I have written in my previous mails. Please first read, understand the mails and then make comments.Natal charts are almost same so there is not much to comment apart from 3-4 factors that I have also written in my previous posts. ra is with Moon in 4th in 24th chart and Moon happens to be 11th lord, what is the issue with this?regdsDev ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:>> Hahaha.....before you go on to say anything first explain conjunction results of Moon and Rahu in the fourth house in the 24th chart. I will come to D/10, I have already showed the farce you wanted to show in D/10 when it was not even confirmed in D/1.> > no regards,> > Mouji Ram> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> axeplex <axeplex >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sat, February 27, 2010 7:37:01 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> >  > Manojji, if it is making you laugh, nothing like that. In fact, your post is also making me laugh. So that way, we both are getting benefited. By the way what I learnt about baadhaka is not what you have written, so there is no point that 1/3rd would lose bhagya, marital happiness etc. etc. Baadhaka is simple a Baadha. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood.> > By the way, one more input. In 21st April chart, Ve is with Su and both happens to be enemy. In 24th chart, Mars is with Ju and both happens to be friends.> > And also do not make comments. I don't make any. But yes, if someone makes, I do retaliate. Check all my posts, I am never the first to make any personal comment against anyone.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> >> > Dear Dev ji, > > > > You want me to laugh or what. Badhaka/Kendra Adhipatya yoga/Karko Bhav Nasahaya are the tools of loser astrologers. You mean to say, 1/3rd of generation today would be devoid of marital happiness, 1/3rd of the generation would be devoid of Bhagya and 1/3rd of the generation would have no income. > > > > Theoretically possible but practically impossible. So think before you utter something. Anyway, where is the mail you are referring you. You talk of divisional charts and are scary of D/10 for 21st whereas I gave you a contrary picture.> > > > Now I can safely assume that you have nothing to show astrologically except to doubt everyone else. > > > > still regards,> > > > mouji ram> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > >  > > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post.> > > > regds> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully.> > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > > > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu> > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view> > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify> > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > sairaman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > >  > > > Manojji,> > > > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal.> > > > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > > > regds> > > Dev> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the "heck" of it.> > > > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can.> > > > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, CabinetÃÆ'‚ Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna.> > > > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of "rational" people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > > > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu> > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view> > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify> > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > sairaman> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.//> > > > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. .> > > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > > Thankyou.> > > > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.//> > > > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read.> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other> > > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some> > > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not> > > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me)..> > > > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's> > > > > > and this is the way they must be used always.> > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not> > > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my> > > > > > records.> > > > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay.> > > > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea> > > > > > of the right Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88" Chit 1> > > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70" Jye 2> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60" UPha 3> > > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04" PSha 4> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is as per Jhora.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling> > > > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis]> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973> > > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury> > > > > > > > > star lord : Mars> > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973> > > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury> > > > > > > > > star lord : Sun> > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time :> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010> > > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > > Jaipur, India> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day> > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > jupiter.> > > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign.> > > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN].> > > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way.> > > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be> > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > correct.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of> > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > Dasa> > > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds> > > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > such> > > > > > > > > heights.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is> > > > > > conjunting> > > > > > > Ma> > > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th).> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > wrong,> > > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all> > > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same..> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post.> > > > > > Anyway,> > > > > > > > > April> > > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish> > > > > > menon> > > > > > > > > horamag@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article> > > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > Don> > > > > > > > > > > Bradman> > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at> > > > > > > Durban.> > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players> > > > > > > > > > > participating> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is> > > > > > 4.25> > > > > > > pm> > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > Girish> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 First of all, you don't know how to use words that also in a public forum, so I am not going to answer your next post if it happens to be of similar wordings. Silence is golden sometimes. Nothing is simple in Vedic astrology and if somebody says it, he needs to introspect himself. Read all previous posts, I have explained about what you are asking, I am not sitting here to write again and again. regds Dev , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Very simple. If you do not understand it and still called to be an astrologer, is in itself is a shame. > > Explain lord ship of Mars in birth chart and D/10 and his rise. > > Mouji Ram > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Sat, February 27, 2010 7:57:19 AM > Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > >  > Where have showed any farce in D-10 and be selective in your wording first. Whatever you are or whatever artice you are referring to, there has to be certain basics in life that needs to be followed.If I tell my 6 years kid that this is like this even he asks me why. This is how new generation is. > > You have just written in 21st case, Venus is in 7th lording 2nd and 10th and I have already wrote you that MArs is better in 24th case as a candiadte for all the reasons I have written in my previous mails. Please first read, understand the mails and then make comments. > > Natal charts are almost same so there is not much to comment apart from 3-4 factors that I have also written in my previous posts. ra is with Moon in 4th in 24th chart and Moon happens to be 11th lord, what is the issue with this? > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Hahaha.....before you go on to say anything first explain conjunction results of Moon and Rahu in the fourth house in the 24th chart. I will come to D/10, I have already showed the farce you wanted to show in D/10 when it was not even confirmed in D/1. > > > > no regards, > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sat, February 27, 2010 7:37:01 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > >  > > Manojji, if it is making you laugh, nothing like that. In fact, your post is also making me laugh. So that way, we both are getting benefited. By the way what I learnt about baadhaka is not what you have written, so there is no point that 1/3rd would lose bhagya, marital happiness etc. etc. Baadhaka is simple a Baadha. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood. > > > > By the way, one more input. In 21st April chart, Ve is with Su and both happens to be enemy. In 24th chart, Mars is with Ju and both happens to be friends. > > > > And also do not make comments. I don't make any. But yes, if someone makes, I do retaliate. Check all my posts, I am never the first to make any personal comment against anyone. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > You want me to laugh or what. Badhaka/Kendra Adhipatya yoga/Karko Bhav Nasahaya are the tools of loser astrologers. You mean to say, 1/3rd of generation today would be devoid of marital happiness, 1/3rd of the generation would be devoid of Bhagya and 1/3rd of the generation would have no income. > > > > > > Theoretically possible but practically impossible. So think before you utter something. Anyway, where is the mail you are referring you. You talk of divisional charts and are scary of D/10 for 21st whereas I gave you a contrary picture. > > > > > > Now I can safely assume that you have nothing to show astrologically except to doubt everyone else. > > > > > > still regards, > > > > > > mouji ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > >  > > > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > > > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully. > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ kethu > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\ Æ'‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Manojji, > > > > > > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal. > > > > > > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the " heck " of it. > > > > > > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can. > > > > > > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, CabinetÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of " rational " people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ kethu > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\ Æ'‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.// > > > > > > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. . > > > > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > > > Thankyou. > > > > > > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.// > > > > > > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > Jaipur > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other > > > > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some > > > > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not > > > > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's > > > > > > > and this is the way they must be used always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not > > > > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my > > > > > > > records. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea > > > > > > > of the right Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88 " Chit 1 > > > > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70 " Jye 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60 " UPha 3 > > > > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04 " PSha 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling > > > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973 > > > > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00 > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury > > > > > > > > > > star lord : Mars > > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973 > > > > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00 > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury > > > > > > > > > > star lord : Sun > > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010 > > > > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20 > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign. > > > > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN]. > > > > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way. > > > > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > heights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is > > > > > > > conjunting > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post. > > > > > > > Anyway, > > > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish > > > > > > > menon > > > > > > > > > > horamag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > > Bradman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at > > > > > > > > Durban. > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players > > > > > > > > > > > > participating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is > > > > > > > 4.25 > > > > > > > > pm > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Venus as 9th lord or bith chart and tenth lord of D/10, wow what a combination. If someone is blind and wants to just argue because he is afraid of losing. No problems. Explain rest. Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 8:02:58 AM Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th There is no Ve involved in 24, so why shall i talk of Ve in 24? I have already written in my posts, please read.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:>> No you have not. You only explained Mars in D/10. Not Venus according to 24. Do it before you move forward.> > Mouji Ram> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> axeplex <axeplex >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sat, February 27, 2010 7:39:46 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> >  > So you found my mail. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> >> > Sairamji,> > > > Lenghthy mail takes time....Just to add, few things you have written by mistake> > like kala Sarpa Yoga etc. Few of the answers to your questions can be found in> > D-charts. Few questions remain unanswered and this is the reaon everybody tries> > to learn more and more to know those gaps.(And you can see how even highly> > experienced guys in the group would be willing to learn new things).> > > > Mouji : You have only negated it partially. Why do you not show it your way in the D=Charts. Now do not say that you will teach only worthy students because one such person who used to say such things cannot show his face now in Jyotish Group. You say many known names were exposed here, I would like to know, who were those big names. > > > > Baadhaka Mercury - In 2005, he was running Me AD as per 24th April data, may be> > when people were writing him off , could be related to that.... Also Me was not> > supportive in D-10.> > > > Mouji : Dont talk in probabilities. Talk in affirmatives. Show it if you can.> > > > regards,> > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> > Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > >  > > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post.> > > > regds> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully.> > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > > > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu> > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view> > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify> > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > sairaman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM> > > Subject: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > >  > > > Manojji,> > > > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal.> > > > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > > > regds> > > Dev> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the "heck" of it.> > > > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can.> > > > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, CabinetÃÆ'‚ Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna.> > > > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of "rational" people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology.> > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > > > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu> > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view> > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify> > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > sairaman> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.//> > > > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. .> > > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > > Thankyou.> > > > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.//> > > > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read.> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > Jaipur> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other> > > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some> > > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not> > > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me)..> > > > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's> > > > > > and this is the way they must be used always.> > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not> > > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my> > > > > > records.> > > > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay.> > > > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea> > > > > > of the right Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88" Chit 1> > > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70" Jye 2> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60" UPha 3> > > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04" PSha 4> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is as per Jhora.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ?> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling> > > > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis]> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973> > > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury> > > > > > > > > star lord : Mars> > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973> > > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury> > > > > > > > > star lord : Sun> > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time :> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010> > > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > > Jaipur, India> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day> > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > jupiter.> > > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign.> > > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN].> > > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct> > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way.> > > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be> > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > correct.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > axeplex@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of> > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > Dasa> > > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds> > > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > such> > > > > > > > > heights.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is> > > > > > conjunting> > > > > > > Ma> > > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th).> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > wrong,> > > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all> > > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same..> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post.> > > > > > Anyway,> > > > > > > > > April> > > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference> > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish> > > > > > menon> > > > > > > > > horamag@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article> > > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > Don> > > > > > > > > > > Bradman> > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at> > > > > > > Durban.> > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players> > > > > > > > > > > participating> > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is> > > > > > 4.25> > > > > > > pm> > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > Girish> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 If I say lose and it makes you happy, Ok I say but not from my mind and heart. And also I am not fighting a battle here, it is you who thinks so that is why you are talking of winning and losing. Bottomline: To me, 24th data is anyday better than 21st for all the reasons I have explained in all my previous posts and I stick to it. I did not know that just if 9th lord of natal is lording 10th in D-10, it is a great combination of the callibre of Sachin's. Bye for time being and enjoy your winning. regds Dev , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Venus as 9th lord or bith chart and tenth lord of D/10, wow what a combination. If someone is blind and wants to just argue because he is afraid of losing. No problems. Explain rest. > > Mouji Ram > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Sat, February 27, 2010 8:02:58 AM > Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > >  > There is no Ve involved in 24, so why shall i talk of Ve in 24? I have already written in my posts, please read. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > No you have not. You only explained Mars in D/10. Not Venus according to 24. Do it before you move forward. > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sat, February 27, 2010 7:39:46 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > >  > > So you found my mail. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood. > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > Sairamji, > > > > > > Lenghthy mail takes time....Just to add, few things you have written by mistake > > > like kala Sarpa Yoga etc. Few of the answers to your questions can be found in > > > D-charts. Few questions remain unanswered and this is the reaon everybody tries > > > to learn more and more to know those gaps.(And you can see how even highly > > > experienced guys in the group would be willing to learn new things). > > > > > > Mouji : You have only negated it partially. Why do you not show it your way in the D=Charts. Now do not say that you will teach only worthy students because one such person who used to say such things cannot show his face now in Jyotish Group. You say many known names were exposed here, I would like to know, who were those big names. > > > > > > Baadhaka Mercury - In 2005, he was running Me AD as per 24th April data, may be > > > when people were writing him off , could be related to that.... Also Me was not > > > supportive in D-10. > > > > > > Mouji : Dont talk in probabilities. Talk in affirmatives. Show it if you can. > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > >  > > > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > > > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully. > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ kethu > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\ Æ'‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Manojji, > > > > > > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal. > > > > > > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the " heck " of it. > > > > > > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can. > > > > > > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, CabinetÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of " rational " people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology. > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ kethu > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ƒâ€šÃ‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€\ šÃ‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚Ã\ Æ'‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â€Å\ ¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.// > > > > > > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. . > > > > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > > > Thankyou. > > > > > > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.// > > > > > > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > Jaipur > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other > > > > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some > > > > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not > > > > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's > > > > > > > and this is the way they must be used always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not > > > > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my > > > > > > > records. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea > > > > > > > of the right Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88 " Chit 1 > > > > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70 " Jye 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60 " UPha 3 > > > > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04 " PSha 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling > > > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973 > > > > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00 > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury > > > > > > > > > > star lord : Mars > > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973 > > > > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00 > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury > > > > > > > > > > star lord : Sun > > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010 > > > > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20 > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign. > > > > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN]. > > > > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way. > > > > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > heights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is > > > > > > > conjunting > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post. > > > > > > > Anyway, > > > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish > > > > > > > menon > > > > > > > > > > horamag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > > Bradman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at > > > > > > > > Durban. > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players > > > > > > > > > > > > participating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is > > > > > > > 4.25 > > > > > > > > pm > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Yes nothing is simple. You are not compelled to write it again and again because now you are seeking a way out and that too an honorable one. you talk of your previous posts, what have you done except doubting and blaming seniors and seeking shelters in other's mails. Have you offered anything astrologically? I am still open to a debate provided you have guts for it. When confronted with a chart, you chose to back out on one pretext of the other, moreover when that chart was very much within public domain for a long time. Whenever I visit any city, I make it a point to visit famous temples of that place. So if Sachin visited a particular temple, what is the problem. Did he visit to satiate his Kaal Sarpa Yoga? Does anyone has any proof for Kaal Sarpa Yoga? I wish, I had one, because atleast then I would have become as famous as Nehur, Margaret Thatcher etc., Dont bring a bad name to astrology in the name of Vedic Astrology. You wish to discuss any topic, you are welcome. But come with open heart and mind, not just playing the games of one upmanship. Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 8:08:57 AM Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th First of all, you don't know how to use words that also in a public forum, so I am not going to answer your next post if it happens to be of similar wordings. Silence is golden sometimes. Nothing is simple in Vedic astrology and if somebody says it, he needs to introspect himself. Read all previous posts, I have explained about what you are asking, I am not sitting here to write again and again.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:>> Very simple. If you do not understand it and still called to be an astrologer, is in itself is a shame.> > Explain lord ship of Mars in birth chart and D/10 and his rise.> > Mouji Ram> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> axeplex <axeplex >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sat, February 27, 2010 7:57:19 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> >  > Where have showed any farce in D-10 and be selective in your wording first. Whatever you are or whatever artice you are referring to, there has to be certain basics in life that needs to be followed.If I tell my 6 years kid that this is like this even he asks me why. This is how new generation is. > > You have just written in 21st case, Venus is in 7th lording 2nd and 10th and I have already wrote you that MArs is better in 24th case as a candiadte for all the reasons I have written in my previous mails. Please first read, understand the mails and then make comments.> > Natal charts are almost same so there is not much to comment apart from 3-4 factors that I have also written in my previous posts. ra is with Moon in 4th in 24th chart and Moon happens to be 11th lord, what is the issue with this?> > regds> Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> >> > Hahaha.....before you go on to say anything first explain conjunction results of Moon and Rahu in the fourth house in the 24th chart. I will come to D/10, I have already showed the farce you wanted to show in D/10 when it was not even confirmed in D/1.> > > > no regards,> > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sat, February 27, 2010 7:37:01 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > >  > > Manojji, if it is making you laugh, nothing like that. In fact, your post is also making me laugh. So that way, we both are getting benefited. By the way what I learnt about baadhaka is not what you have written, so there is no point that 1/3rd would lose bhagya, marital happiness etc. etc. Baadhaka is simple a Baadha. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood.> > > > By the way, one more input. In 21st April chart, Ve is with Su and both happens to be enemy. In 24th chart, Mars is with Ju and both happens to be friends.> > > > And also do not make comments. I don't make any. But yes, if someone makes, I do retaliate. Check all my posts, I am never the first to make any personal comment against anyone.> > > > regds> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > You want me to laugh or what. Badhaka/Kendra Adhipatya yoga/Karko Bhav Nasahaya are the tools of loser astrologers. You mean to say, 1/3rd of generation today would be devoid of marital happiness, 1/3rd of the generation would be devoid of Bhagya and 1/3rd of the generation would have no income. > > > > > > Theoretically possible but practically impossible. So think before you utter something. Anyway, where is the mail you are referring you. You talk of divisional charts and are scary of D/10 for 21st whereas I gave you a contrary picture.> > > > > > Now I can safely assume that you have nothing to show astrologically except to doubt everyone else. > > > > > > still regards,> > > > > > mouji ram> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > >  > > > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > > > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post.> > > > > > regds> > > Dev> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully.> > > > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view> > > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify> > > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > sairaman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Manojji,> > > > > > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal.> > > > > > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > > > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the "heck" of it.> > > > > > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can.> > > > > > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, CabinetÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of "rational" people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology.> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view> > > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify> > > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > sairaman> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.//> > > > > > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. .> > > > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > > > Thankyou.> > > > > > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.//> > > > > > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > Jaipur> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other> > > > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some> > > > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not> > > > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me)..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's> > > > > > > and this is the way they must be used always.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not> > > > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my> > > > > > > records.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea> > > > > > > of the right Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88" Chit 1> > > > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70" Jye 2> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60" UPha 3> > > > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04" PSha 4> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling> > > > > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis]> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973> > > > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury> > > > > > > > > > star lord : Mars> > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973> > > > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury> > > > > > > > > > star lord : Sun> > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time :> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010> > > > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > > > Jaipur, India> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day> > > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > > jupiter.> > > > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign.> > > > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN].> > > > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way.> > > > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be> > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > correct.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > > axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of> > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > Dasa> > > > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds> > > > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > such> > > > > > > > > > heights.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is> > > > > > > conjunting> > > > > > > > Ma> > > > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > wrong,> > > > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all> > > > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same..> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post.> > > > > > > Anyway,> > > > > > > > > > April> > > > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish> > > > > > > menon> > > > > > > > > > horamag@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > Don> > > > > > > > > > > > Bradman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at> > > > > > > > Durban.> > > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players> > > > > > > > > > > > participating> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is> > > > > > > 4.25> > > > > > > > pm> > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girish> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 No. You are still not being honest. You were the one accusing and doubting the credentials of seniors and yogis. You are taking an escape route. You did not know that Venus lorded that despite my explaining and you doubting it still. Go back and look at your own mails. Mouji Ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 8:21:27 AM Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th If I say lose and it makes you happy, Ok I say but not from my mind and heart. And also I am not fighting a battle here, it is you who thinks so that is why you are talking of winning and losing. Bottomline: To me, 24th data is anyday better than 21st for all the reasons I have explained in all my previous posts and I stick to it. I did not know that just if 9th lord of natal is lording 10th in D-10, it is a great combination of the callibre of Sachin's. Bye for time being and enjoy your winning.regdsDevancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:>> Venus as 9th lord or bith chart and tenth lord of D/10, wow what a combination. If someone is blind and wants to just argue because he is afraid of losing. No problems. Explain rest.> > Mouji Ram> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> axeplex <axeplex >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sat, February 27, 2010 8:02:58 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> >  > There is no Ve involved in 24, so why shall i talk of Ve in 24? I have already written in my posts, please read.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> >> > No you have not. You only explained Mars in D/10. Not Venus according to 24. Do it before you move forward.> > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sat, February 27, 2010 7:39:46 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > >  > > So you found my mail. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood.> > > > regds> > Dev> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > >> > > Sairamji,> > > > > > Lenghthy mail takes time....Just to add, few things you have written by mistake> > > like kala Sarpa Yoga etc. Few of the answers to your questions can be found in> > > D-charts. Few questions remain unanswered and this is the reaon everybody tries> > > to learn more and more to know those gaps.(And you can see how even highly> > > experienced guys in the group would be willing to learn new things).> > > > > > Mouji : You have only negated it partially. Why do you not show it your way in the D=Charts. Now do not say that you will teach only worthy students because one such person who used to say such things cannot show his face now in Jyotish Group. You say many known names were exposed here, I would like to know, who were those big names. > > > > > > Baadhaka Mercury - In 2005, he was running Me AD as per 24th April data, may be> > > when people were writing him off , could be related to that.... Also Me was not> > > supportive in D-10.> > > > > > Mouji : Dont talk in probabilities. Talk in affirmatives. Show it if you can.> > > > > > regards,> > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > >  > > > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > > > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post.> > > > > > regds> > > Dev> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully.> > > > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view> > > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify> > > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > sairaman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > Manojji,> > > > > > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal.> > > > > > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > > > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the "heck" of it.> > > > > > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can.> > > > > > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, CabinetÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of "rational" people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology.> > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view> > > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify> > > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > sairaman> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.//> > > > > > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. .> > > > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > > > Thankyou.> > > > > > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.//> > > > > > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read.> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > Jaipur> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other> > > > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some> > > > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not> > > > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me)..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's> > > > > > > and this is the way they must be used always.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not> > > > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my> > > > > > > records.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea> > > > > > > of the right Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88" Chit 1> > > > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70" Jye 2> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60" UPha 3> > > > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04" PSha 4> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ?> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling> > > > > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know> > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis]> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973> > > > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury> > > > > > > > > > star lord : Mars> > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973> > > > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury> > > > > > > > > > star lord : Sun> > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time :> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010> > > > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > > > Jaipur, India> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day> > > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > > jupiter.> > > > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign.> > > > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN].> > > > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way.> > > > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be> > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > correct.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > > axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of> > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > Dasa> > > > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds> > > > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > such> > > > > > > > > > heights.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is> > > > > > > conjunting> > > > > > > > Ma> > > > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th).> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > wrong,> > > > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all> > > > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same..> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post.> > > > > > > Anyway,> > > > > > > > > > April> > > > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference> > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish> > > > > > > menon> > > > > > > > > > horamag@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article> > > > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > Don> > > > > > > > > > > > Bradman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at> > > > > > > > Durban.> > > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players> > > > > > > > > > > > participating> > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is> > > > > > > 4.25> > > > > > > > pm> > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girish> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Do not reply this post. May God bless you! By the way, temple etc, I could not understand as I have not written anything like that. Aap apni gali aur main apni gali. Aur agar aapko lagta hi ki main bhaag raha hun, to aisa hi socho, khush raho aur apni paridhi mein jiyo aur apna article defend karo. Good Bye1 regds Dev , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote: > > Yes nothing is simple. You are not compelled to write it again and again because now you are seeking a way out and that too an honorable one. you talk of your previous posts, what have you done except doubting and blaming seniors and seeking shelters in other's mails. Have you offered anything astrologically? I am still open to a debate provided you have guts for it. When confronted with a chart, you chose to back out on one pretext of the other, moreover when that chart was very much within public domain for a long time. > > Whenever I visit any city, I make it a point to visit famous temples of that place. So if Sachin visited a particular temple, what is the problem. Did he visit to satiate his Kaal Sarpa Yoga? Does anyone has any proof for Kaal Sarpa Yoga? I wish, I had one, because atleast then I would have become as famous as Nehur, Margaret Thatcher etc., Dont bring a bad name to astrology in the name of Vedic Astrology. > > You wish to discuss any topic, you are welcome. But come with open heart and mind, not just playing the games of one upmanship. > > Mouji Ram > > > > > ________________________________ > axeplex <axeplex > > Sat, February 27, 2010 8:08:57 AM > Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > >  > First of all, you don't know how to use words that also in a public forum, so I am not going to answer your next post if it happens to be of similar wordings. Silence is golden sometimes. > > Nothing is simple in Vedic astrology and if somebody says it, he needs to introspect himself. Read all previous posts, I have explained about what you are asking, I am not sitting here to write again and again. > > regds > Dev > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > Very simple. If you do not understand it and still called to be an astrologer, is in itself is a shame. > > > > Explain lord ship of Mars in birth chart and D/10 and his rise. > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Sat, February 27, 2010 7:57:19 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > >  > > Where have showed any farce in D-10 and be selective in your wording first. Whatever you are or whatever artice you are referring to, there has to be certain basics in life that needs to be followed.If I tell my 6 years kid that this is like this even he asks me why. This is how new generation is. > > > > You have just written in 21st case, Venus is in 7th lording 2nd and 10th and I have already wrote you that MArs is better in 24th case as a candiadte for all the reasons I have written in my previous mails. Please first read, understand the mails and then make comments. > > > > Natal charts are almost same so there is not much to comment apart from 3-4 factors that I have also written in my previous posts. ra is with Moon in 4th in 24th chart and Moon happens to be 11th lord, what is the issue with this? > > > > regds > > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > Hahaha.....before you go on to say anything first explain conjunction results of Moon and Rahu in the fourth house in the 24th chart. I will come to D/10, I have already showed the farce you wanted to show in D/10 when it was not even confirmed in D/1. > > > > > > no regards, > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 7:37:01 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > >  > > > Manojji, if it is making you laugh, nothing like that. In fact, your post is also making me laugh. So that way, we both are getting benefited. By the way what I learnt about baadhaka is not what you have written, so there is no point that 1/3rd would lose bhagya, marital happiness etc. etc. Baadhaka is simple a Baadha. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood. > > > > > > By the way, one more input. In 21st April chart, Ve is with Su and both happens to be enemy. In 24th chart, Mars is with Ju and both happens to be friends. > > > > > > And also do not make comments. I don't make any. But yes, if someone makes, I do retaliate. Check all my posts, I am never the first to make any personal comment against anyone. > > > > > > regds > > > Dev > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > You want me to laugh or what. Badhaka/Kendra Adhipatya yoga/Karko Bhav Nasahaya are the tools of loser astrologers. You mean to say, 1/3rd of generation today would be devoid of marital happiness, 1/3rd of the generation would be devoid of Bhagya and 1/3rd of the generation would have no income. > > > > > > > > Theoretically possible but practically impossible. So think before you utter something. Anyway, where is the mail you are referring you. You talk of divisional charts and are scary of D/10 for 21st whereas I gave you a contrary picture. > > > > > > > > Now I can safely assume that you have nothing to show astrologically except to doubt everyone else. > > > > > > > > still regards, > > > > > > > > mouji ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > > > > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post. > > > > > > > > regds > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully. > > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\ '…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\ Å¡ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ ƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ kethu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\ …¡ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\ '…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\ Å¡ÃÆ'‚ in > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â\ €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\ …¡ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\ …¡ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\ '…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\ Å¡ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢âââ\ €šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂ\ ¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\ …¡ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â\ €šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãâ€\ ¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ ƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ ƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Manojji, > > > > > > > > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal. > > > > > > > > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the " heck " of it. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can. > > > > > > > > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, CabinetÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'â\ €šÃ‚ Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of " rational " people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚Ã\ ‚ > > > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief. > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\ '…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\ Å¡ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ ƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position > > > > > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ kethu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ Æ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚Â\ ¬Ã…¡ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\ …¡ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\ '…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\ Å¡ÃÆ'‚ in > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ traditional view > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'â\ €¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€ÅÂ\ ¡ÃƒÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong > > > > > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\ …¡ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\ …¡ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ\ '…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€\ Å¡ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢âââ\ €šÂ¬Ã…¡Ã‚¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬ÅÂ\ ¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'\ …¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'â€Ã\ …¡ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â\ €šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Ãâ€\ ¦Ã‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ ƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬Ã\ ƒÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'ââ‚\ ¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > sairaman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'ââ\ ‚¬Â¦Ãƒâ€šÃ‚¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚\ ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. . > > > > > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > > > > Thankyou. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > Jaipur > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other > > > > > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some > > > > > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not > > > > > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me).. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's > > > > > > > > and this is the way they must be used always. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not > > > > > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my > > > > > > > > records. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea > > > > > > > > of the right Lagna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88 " Chit 1 > > > > > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70 " Jye 2 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60 " UPha 3 > > > > > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04 " PSha 4 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijay.goel " > > > > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling > > > > > > > > > > planet > > > > > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know > > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973 > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00 > > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury > > > > > > > > > > > star lord : Mars > > > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Data 2 > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973 > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00 > > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00 " , 18 N 58' 00 " > > > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is > > > > > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury > > > > > > > > > > > star lord : Sun > > > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu > > > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time : > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010 > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20 > > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur, India > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day > > > > > > > > > lord > > > > > > > > > > > jupiter. > > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign. > > > > > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN]. > > > > > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way. > > > > > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be > > > > > > > > more > > > > > > > > > > > correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of > > > > > > > > Mars > > > > > > > > > > Dasa > > > > > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds > > > > > > > > > better > > > > > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > such > > > > > > > > > > > heights. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is > > > > > > > > conjunting > > > > > > > > > Ma > > > > > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar " > > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > wrong, > > > > > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all > > > > > > > > > > could > > > > > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " axeplex " > > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post. > > > > > > > > Anyway, > > > > > > > > > > > April > > > > > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference > > > > > > > > > but > > > > > > > > > > > three > > > > > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish > > > > > > > > menon > > > > > > > > > > > horamag@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > Don > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bradman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at > > > > > > > > > Durban. > > > > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players > > > > > > > > > > > > > participating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is > > > > > > > > 4.25 > > > > > > > > > pm > > > > > > > > > > > which > > > > > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚ÂÂÂ\ ¢ÃƒÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'â\ €¦ÃÆ'‚¡ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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Guest guest Posted February 27, 2010 Report Share Posted February 27, 2010 Kiska article bhai aur kiska defence. Defend to Neelam ji ko karna hai woh article. I am just asking questions on behalf of astrology. By the way, that temple and proof was written by the person, to whose mail who agreed whole heartedly and one mail and questioning in other mail. Dual standards. you are mistaken, if I am defending some article. I am only defending my beliefs of astrology. Mouji ram axeplex <axeplex Sent: Sat, February 27, 2010 8:36:49 AM Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th Do not reply this post. May God bless you! By the way, temple etc, I could not understand as I have not written anything like that. Aap apni gali aur main apni gali. Aur agar aapko lagta hi ki main bhaag raha hun, to aisa hi socho, khush raho aur apni paridhi mein jiyo aur apna article defend karo. Good Bye1regdsDev ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:>> Yes nothing is simple. You are not compelled to write it again and again because now you are seeking a way out and that too an honorable one. you talk of your previous posts, what have you done except doubting and blaming seniors and seeking shelters in other's mails. Have you offered anything astrologically? I am still open to a debate provided you have guts for it. When confronted with a chart, you chose to back out on one pretext of the other, moreover when that chart was very much within public domain for a long time. > > Whenever I visit any city, I make it a point to visit famous temples of that place. So if Sachin visited a particular temple, what is the problem. Did he visit to satiate his Kaal Sarpa Yoga? Does anyone has any proof for Kaal Sarpa Yoga? I wish, I had one, because atleast then I would have become as famous as Nehur, Margaret Thatcher etc., Dont bring a bad name to astrology in the name of Vedic Astrology. > > You wish to discuss any topic, you are welcome. But come with open heart and mind, not just playing the games of one upmanship.> > Mouji Ram> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> axeplex <axeplex >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sat, February 27, 2010 8:08:57 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> >  > First of all, you don't know how to use words that also in a public forum, so I am not going to answer your next post if it happens to be of similar wordings. Silence is golden sometimes. > > Nothing is simple in Vedic astrology and if somebody says it, he needs to introspect himself. Read all previous posts, I have explained about what you are asking, I am not sitting here to write again and again.> > regds> Dev> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> >> > Very simple. If you do not understand it and still called to be an astrologer, is in itself is a shame.> > > > Explain lord ship of Mars in birth chart and D/10 and his rise.> > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Sat, February 27, 2010 7:57:19 AM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > >  > > Where have showed any farce in D-10 and be selective in your wording first. Whatever you are or whatever artice you are referring to, there has to be certain basics in life that needs to be followed.If I tell my 6 years kid that this is like this even he asks me why. This is how new generation is. > > > > You have just written in 21st case, Venus is in 7th lording 2nd and 10th and I have already wrote you that MArs is better in 24th case as a candiadte for all the reasons I have written in my previous mails. Please first read, understand the mails and then make comments.> > > > Natal charts are almost same so there is not much to comment apart from 3-4 factors that I have also written in my previous posts. ra is with Moon in 4th in 24th chart and Moon happens to be 11th lord, what is the issue with this?> > > > regds> > Dev > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > >> > > Hahaha.....before you go on to say anything first explain conjunction results of Moon and Rahu in the fourth house in the 24th chart. I will come to D/10, I have already showed the farce you wanted to show in D/10 when it was not even confirmed in D/1.> > > > > > no regards,> > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Sat, February 27, 2010 7:37:01 AM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > >  > > > Manojji, if it is making you laugh, nothing like that. In fact, your post is also making me laugh. So that way, we both are getting benefited. By the way what I learnt about baadhaka is not what you have written, so there is no point that 1/3rd would lose bhagya, marital happiness etc. etc. Baadhaka is simple a Baadha. Regarding D-10, I have explained many times about both dates, now if you can not understand or don't want to understand, it is purely your issue and not mine. so don't come back again and again with same mail, tell me what have you not understood.> > > > > > By the way, one more input. In 21st April chart, Ve is with Su and both happens to be enemy. In 24th chart, Mars is with Ju and both happens to be friends.> > > > > > And also do not make comments. I don't make any. But yes, if someone makes, I do retaliate. Check all my posts, I am never the first to make any personal comment against anyone.> > > > > > regds> > > Dev> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Dev ji, > > > > > > > > You want me to laugh or what. Badhaka/Kendra Adhipatya yoga/Karko Bhav Nasahaya are the tools of loser astrologers. You mean to say, 1/3rd of generation today would be devoid of marital happiness, 1/3rd of the generation would be devoid of Bhagya and 1/3rd of the generation would have no income. > > > > > > > > Theoretically possible but practically impossible. So think before you utter something. Anyway, where is the mail you are referring you. You talk of divisional charts and are scary of D/10 for 21st whereas I gave you a contrary picture.> > > > > > > > Now I can safely assume that you have nothing to show astrologically except to doubt everyone else. > > > > > > > > still regards,> > > > > > > > mouji ram> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com> > > > Sat, February 27, 2010 12:49:28 AM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > There is no backtracking. Read my other mail addressed to Sairamanji just after I sent an agreement mail to him. That mail is sent before you wrote to me. You can see my mail is posed well before your mail. Also I have given there Mer role as Baadhaka in 2005 in 24th case. > > > > This is problem with long mails sometimes and human can skip reading everything in first look. Moment I had a second look, I sent another post to rectify my fitst post.> > > > > > > > regds> > > > Dev> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > Do not worry. Will provide you data of ordinary people also. But, by the way, are you not backtracking from your statement which you made on Mr. Sairaman's Mail. By the way of reminder, just posting your reply to his mail where he talks of Badhaka/Kaal Sarp Yoga etc., where you agree fully.> > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in> ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify> > > > > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > sairaman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:13:27 PM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > Manojji,> > > > > > > > > > My differences exist on Sachin Tendulkar's details and I have already mentioned why. Nobody is here to pass the time that one would discuss for the heck of it. And if it is so, everybody can say the same thing about the other. Personally I don't emphasize much on Kala Sarpa Yoga, so agree with you on this. To me, Kala sarpa is unnessarily exaggerated. On Baadhaka, my stand is it does matter but not simply based on natal chart alone and concluding also it can never be sole factor that can cause reversal.> > > > > > > > > > I am not even looking into data provided by you since it belongs to a politician, if it would have been some other person I would have loved to. Sorry for this. > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99@ > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > > > > > > > In a discussion there would always be pros and cons. But sometimes the discussions are done just for the "heck" of it.> > > > > > > > > > > > Ninth lord in the eighth house, Badhakas and all and all. Have you ever tried out these things practically. If one goes by the Badhaka theory, then 1/3rd of the population of the world would not have marriage, 1/3rd no Bhagya and 1/3rd no income. How is it logically possible? So adopt rationality, if you can.> > > > > > > > > > > > Try out this horoscope. 28 June 1921, 13/02 hrs, Warangal, Andhra Pradesh. Here also you would find 9th lord in the 8th house and the person rose so high that he first becomes Chief Minister, CabinetÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ Minister, and even Prime Minister of India in unexpected circumstances. Ninth lord in the eighth? Again Kanya Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > > Give a single classical reference of Kaal Sarpa Yoga. Do not quote Sarp yoga. A very interesting anecdote can be posted here for advantage of "rational" people. Once during a visit to Kalahasti, (place famous for Kaal Sarpa Shanti), the Chief Priest was asked, is there any puja for Kaal Sarp Shanti, he said, no, we only do narayan bali, which in no way is connected to Kaal Sarpa. He refused to say it on record, but one of the group members recorded it on his mobile phone. So much for Kaal Sarp. > > > > > > > > > > > > Kanya lagna, lord debilitated would aspect its own house. Classical parashari dictum needs to be remembered here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Over the years, I have found that when astrologers cant explain anything they hide behind Badhaka, Kendradhipati yoga, karko bhav nashaya etc., rather than getting deeper into astrology.> > > > > > > > > > > > regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Mouji Ram> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > axeplex <axeplex@ >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > Fri, February 26, 2010 9:25:44 AM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details sai 26th> > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > I agree with you fully, though I can not write everything in my analysis like you as I prefer writing in brief.> > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear it is frustrating in astrology that onceÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ a person reached a stage people discuss highlighting positive thingsÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ they ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ see in the hor. justifying the natives present position> > > > > > > > > > > > > > however if it is seen in different angleÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ do not give a rosy picture> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ::all planets between raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ kethu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 9th lord in 8th house with 12th lord> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 7th bhathaka lord exalted in 5th with 8th lord in 5th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lagnathipathi though neechabanga in bhathaka house in 7th not sound for lagnaÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and dispositor of kethu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > saturn in an angle 9th houseÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > raghu dasa in star of venus in 8th house > > > > > > > > > > > > > > moon with raghuÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ and ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ venus with sun notÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ goodÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ in> ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ traditional view> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 5 9ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ housesnot sound and 6 8 and 12th house straong> > > > > > > > > > > > > > canÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > keep on describing negative areas is of no use > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as many astrologers justify above forÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ things for a positive achievements in life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if the same shown without giving identity of person manyÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ may fail to justify> > > > > > > > > > > > > > same time many persons areÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ bornÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ then we go to vargas which is not much popular or discussed in lengthÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be well justified taking kalapurusha lagna of mesha as Ist bhava pls observe> > > > > > > > > > > > > > fully grown to some ripe stage and well known about the person things are discussed to the advantage known to the nativeÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with regards > > > > > > > sairaman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > vijay.goel <goyalvj@ >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > Fri, 26 February, 2010 8:44:35 AM> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â€šÂ¬ÃÆ'…¡ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'Æ'‚ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's and this is the way they must be used always.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have learnt this method from the basic inputs you have provided to this forum and once personally to me. > > > > > > > If someones understand Basics than he can move forward more conveniently. .> > > > > > > Your happiness is the A+ grading for me > > > > > > > Thankyou.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > //24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay. Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea of the right Lagna.//> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In sayan ayanamsha chart automatically gets very strong. but this chart is 'kala aksar bhais barabar' for me to read.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > Jaipur> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It would be difficult for you to match these details since the other> > > > > > > > inputs with which you are matching are also not quite right... and some> > > > > > > > other reasons which I would not like to go at this point of time (Do not> > > > > > > > wish to let open a bag of problems for me)..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But I am extremely happy that You are making the right use of the RP's> > > > > > > > and this is the way they must be used always.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now I have wasted last two hours on this (Which is why I normally do not> > > > > > > > look into charts of VIP's) . I have got these Birth details from my> > > > > > > > records.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24th April 1973 16.21 Bombay.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Those who make a Sayana Chart with these details will get a better idea> > > > > > > > of the right Lagna.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > > > <goyalvj@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lagna 25 Kanya 32' 04.88" Chit 1> > > > > > > > > Moon - 21 Vrisch 42' 44.70" Jye 2> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Lagna 6 Kanya 17' 40.60" UPha 3> > > > > > > > > Moon - 26 Dhanu 24' 50.04" PSha 4> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is as per Jhora.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Goel ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > This is a good way to apply the KP Method. Can You kindly give me> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Asc degrees for both the charts ?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijay.goel"> > > > > > > > > > goyalvj@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Respected Bhaskerji,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hare Rama Krsna.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I thought to test this both birth data on the basis of KP ruling> > > > > > > > > > planet> > > > > > > > > > > method which you have demonstrated many time , but i don't know> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > it can be used in the following way or now, just an experiment. > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > [i took KP ayanamsha in following analysis]> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Data 1> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > April 21, 1973> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 18:01:00> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > > > > > sign lord: mercury> > > > > > > > > > > star lord : Mars> > > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord : Venus.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Data 2> > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > April 24, 1973> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 16:28:00> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 72 E 50' 00", 18 N 58' 00"> > > > > > > > > > > Mumbai, India> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Here Ascendent Details is> > > > > > > > > > > sign lord: Mercury> > > > > > > > > > > star lord : Sun> > > > > > > > > > > sub lord : Rahu> > > > > > > > > > > sub sub lord :Mercury.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Now Ruling Planets are for the following time :> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > February 25, 2010> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 20:41:20> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 75 E 49' 00", 26 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur, India> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > LSRD method > > > > > > > > > > > sign lord Mercury, moon sign lord Mercury, star lord Jupiter, day> > > > > > > > > lord> > > > > > > > > > > jupiter.> > > > > > > > > > > Ketu in mercury sign, rahu in jupiter sign.> > > > > > > > > > > so final RP's are Mer, ketu, Jupiter, Rahu [ & SUN].> > > > > > > > > > > I have additionally taken SUN also as it is very close conjunct> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > jupiter within 3 deg.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If we match with data 1, mars and venus does not fit in any way.> > > > > > > > > > > but with data 2 all RP's are coming so i think Data 2 could be> > > > > > > > more> > > > > > > > > > > correct.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This exercise is just an experiment.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thankyou> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Vijay Goel> > > > > > > > > > > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskarji,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > To me, 24th April sounds better, reason being involvement of> > > > > > > > Mars> > > > > > > > > > Dasa> > > > > > > > > > > in 24th April case in his initial period of growth that sounds> > > > > > > > > better> > > > > > > > > > > both in Natal as well as D-10. In case of 21st April case, if it> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > Venus Dasa that does not sound so well in D-10 that can take him> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > such> > > > > > > > > > > heights.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Also, in 24th April case, Ma is followed by Ra that is> > > > > > > > conjunting> > > > > > > > > Ma> > > > > > > > > > > in D-10 in 11th. (lording 5th and 10th).> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar"> > > > > > > > > > > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why not instead of discussing , you please make both charts of> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > disputed dates of Sachin, and show which one would be correct> > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > wrong,> > > > > > > > > > > > > through some astrological analysis done by you, so that we all> > > > > > > > > > could> > > > > > > > > > > > > elarn from the same..> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > best wishes,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "axeplex"> > > > > > > > > > > <axeplex@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girishji,> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even I could locate an article after I read your post.> > > > > > > > Anyway,> > > > > > > > > > > April> > > > > > > > > > > > > is not too far and here we are not talking of time difference> > > > > > > > > but> > > > > > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > > > > days difference in two birth details.> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Girish> > > > > > > > menon> > > > > > > > > > > horamag@> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Dev ji> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 24th is confirmed based on the news article> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > BATTING MAESTRO, Sachin Tendulkar, who is often compared> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > Don> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bradman> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > celebrated his 36th birthday on Friday (April 24), at> > > > > > > > > Durban.> > > > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > surrounded by his India teammates as well other players> > > > > > > > > > > > > participating> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in the Indian Premier League in South Africa.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The time could be a controversy but what i have got is> > > > > > > > 4.25> > > > > > > > > pm> > > > > > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > > > > > is very close to yours.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Girish> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 2/25/10, axeplex axeplex@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > axeplex axeplex@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Sachin's birth details> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, February 25, 2010, 2:48 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'†'ÃÆ'Æ'Æ'ÃÆ'‚¢ÃÆ'Æ'¢ÃÆ'¢â‚¬Å¡ÃÆ'‚¬ÃÆ'Æ'…ÃÆ'‚¡> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have just received one more details of Sachin's birth> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 24 April, 1973 at 4:28 pm.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Members can please verify from their sources.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regds> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dev> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. 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