Guest guest Report post Posted October 21, 2009 Dear renu ji, Such quizzes I have been involved in many, during my Life time on these forums, and also during my learning days under a Master. So I actually do not keep track of who has replied what as a reply to the Quiz. I have got better matters to keep in my memory, day to day work etc. This is not a great fantasy for me. So honestly I never knew that Neelamji has replied right to the Quiz, but as soon as I realised this, I actually did complement her. In fact I already knew that Neelamji was right even before knowing from this Group, but in which Group had she replied to the Quiz, I was not aware for I rarely go the KP Group and just visited yesterday to find out who has replied correctly and found that Shri Yogesh rao ji has done so. And when someone pointed out to her correct reply ( Was you???) I immediately complemented her. This was due to them. But do not expect me to appreciate every copy paste article done from other Groups over here. That would be asking for too much. Let our praise be honest and appreciation coming from the heart, and not a forced one out of formality. best wishes, Love n regards, Bhaskar. , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > If my posts appeared like a comparison between AIA & KP group, I apologize. > > What prompted me to write likewise was your following words: > > //For Information of all- > > From the KP Group which is the other Group where this same Quiz was > presented, and where one would find many stalwarts, Shri Yogesh Rao > Lajmi ji was the only one who was able to predict the accident for this > native, ........................ > Hats off to him. He is great. > > Unfortunately he is no more here, in this Group.// > > I know how much you respect Neelam ji's knowledge but was surprised when you wrote that Shri Yogesh Rao Lajmi ji was the only one who was able to predict the accident. As far as I understand I don't see any difference between Neelam ji's and Shri Lajmi ji's predictions on this particular case. Hence I thought it was my duty to remind our group of this. > > Sure, it is unfortunate that he left this group since we could have learned from him. But still we are fortunate to have great astrologers like Neelam ji and a few others in this group. I refrain from naming them [including you] lest you may think I " chamchagiri " [buttering..is it not?...or have I understood the word wrongly?] them. > > blessings, > > Renu > > , " Bhaskar " bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > It would be a misnomer to compare the KP Goup with this group. There are > > at least a 80 active members there who participate regularly in the > > discussions and maybe just more than that number, but no less. > > > > And they do not go gaga over quizzes there. It is a regular affair > > there. No winner of any Quiz expects laurels over there and neither many > > words of appreciation. It is very natural for them to win or loose. By > > the way Shri Lajmiji also does not care for laurels or brickbats. He is > > too beyond these, and a blunt man not to be taken in by any > > " chamchagiri " . I am sure he knows very well that those who do > > chamchagiri on the forum will come back on his personal id asking for > > free predictions. > > > > How many members are active on this Group ? Not more than 15, or is > > there a greater number ? So how much more appreciations is required ? > > > > So please do not compare them with here. I think everybody has received > > their due appreciations and none more is required. Let us not get > > bloated with win in one single quiz. This is not going to Kargil and > > taking a regiment of the opposition army. > > > > By the way KP or Traditional, there is not much difference. But you may > > speak these words after maybe two decades or so, or maybe not at all. > > > > Do not try to pit Traditional astrology with other systems of approach, > > when we are not sure about the contents in the other approach. > > > > best wishes,' > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > > > > > Sure, you can leisurely attend to this. It would be helpful as a > > > reference on a later day for any newcomer or even for anyone of us. > > > > > > I sadly notice that the enthusiasm of the members to post a word of > > > encouragement or a note of congratulations to those who come out with > > > accurate results in a Blind quiz is very poor. Not that our members > > > expect it, but traditional astrology deserves it! > > > > > > Just noticed how Lajmi ji is being loaded with bouquets for the answer > > > given to the same quiz in KP forum. > > > > > > Lajmi ji: > > > //In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a > > > life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some > > > length of time...// > > > > > > Well, what difference is there in Neelam ji's analysis through > > > traditional astrology? > > > > > > Neelam ji: > > > //The person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal accident for > > > which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be performed.// > > > > > > Sorry...I am not harping on the same string. While going through KP > > > forum I happened to notice the 'gala' over respected Lajmi ji's > > correct > > > reading to our quiz which reminded me of the past blind quizzes of our > > > group and the response of the members to correct answers! > > > > > > Are we missing Sunil Nair ji and Sreeram ji here? > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Chakraborty, PL " > > > CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Renu-ji, > > > > > > > > I would love to do so. But I need some time to concentrate > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > On Behalf Of renunw > > > > Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:49 PM > > > > > > > > Re: A blind chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the interesting exercise and the answer to which some > > were > > > quite close and almost accurate. I Know it is time consuming...but it > > > would be quite helpful and useful if you give your final report on the > > > analyses given by various members of the group. If my memory serves me > > > right, in earlier 'blind quizzes' this was done so by Neelam ji, > > > Sreenadh ji [may be by few others too..sorry I forget names]....and I > > am > > > sure you are more than capable of giving us a summary of everyone's > > > 'rights' and 'wrongs'. > > > > > > > > Hope I am not asking you too much...please do take your time:) > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <\ \ > > \ > > > %40>, " Chakraborty, PL " CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > I also tried my hands in analysing the event. One of the handicap > > in > > > > > my case (apart from undertsanding) was I knew the events in > > details. > > > > > That generally channelize the thinking in one direction only. > > > > > > > > > > The other handicap was... my J-Hora has been deleted from my > > office > > > > > computer. The only source is Astrodienst which gave the position > > of > > > > > planets in B'chart and transits. It does not give dasha sequence > > or > > > > > nakshatra location of planets. No doubt that could be calculated > > > mentally.. > > > > > but I believe in the saying that " Hard work never kills > > anybody..BUT > > > WHY > > > > > TAKE A CHANCE ? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I have tried is using transit position and possible > > connection > > > to 64th > > > > > navamsa technique. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun [cid:911550410@20102009-202C] > > > > > Ve > > > > > Rahu > > > > > Pi Ketu Ar Ta Mer+Sun Ge Ve > > > > > Aq M Y Bhave 18:23 hrs, Cn Mars Mars + (Jup)+ (Sat) Mars-5 + > > Ketu-2 > > > > > Jup-23 + Ra -2 Mer Cp 25th May 1959 Bhuj Leo > > > > > Sg Mo+(Sat) Sc (Jup) [cid:911550410@20102009-2033] > > > > > Li > > > > > Vi Mo-1 > > > > > Ketu Mo Sat-4 > > > > > Sun 28 Mer-15 Ve-7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yellow ; Rasi Chart > > > > > Grey : navamsa > > > > > Green : Transit > > > > > > > > > > (Please note that above was prepared manually..and hence some > > error > > > may be > > > > > there. Also, the positions are based on Astrodienst output which > > > sometime vary > > > > > slightly from other softwares) > > > > > > > > > > In B'chart, Venus is at 23 Ge 21. Now Venus may indicate self as > > > well as > > > > > the car. Venus is also 8th lord. The 64th navamsa from Venus > > (adding > > > 210 > > > > > deg to natal chart position of Venus) will be Capricorn 23 deg. On > > > that day > > > > > Jup was at 23 deg. This is Co-incidence No. 1 > > > > > > > > > > The 4th & 5th lord Saturn has moved to 12th house of his chart in > > > transit. > > > > > The person is expecting a change of residence (thereby transfer in > > > posting) > > > > > for last few months (chances appears good ..likely in Mar-April > > > 2010). But > > > > > I had not considered damage to any house or vehicle previously) > > > > > > > > > > Other co-incidence I noticed is following > > > > > > > > > > In natal Chart, Jup and Mars are at approx 2 deg. at Scorpio & > > > cancer respectively. > > > > > On that day Ra/ketu was at approx 2 degree at Capri/cancer > > > respectively. However > > > > > what that should convey is not clear. > > > > > > > > > > Now coming back to Co-incidence 1 (64th navamsa part), the > > > quandaries / thinking > > > > > are : > > > > > > > > > > 1) Jup is 3rd lod (12th to 4H..and hence capable of destroying > > > vehicle) and > > > > > 6th lord (damage, danger etc). Jup will also indicate driver (6th > > > lord..3rd > > > > > to 4th house). But Jup is also a benefic and in transit, Jup > > should > > > give > > > > > benefic results. > > > > > 2) I remembered that there was a blind chart analysis in which the > > > person > > > > > died mysteriously while travelling/ after alighting from train. > > > There also transit Jup > > > > > was exactly on natal venus location. The reason was analyzed as > > Deva > > > shrapa. > > > > > 3) While using 64th navamsa, people generally uses Udaykala or > > > maturity of planets > > > > > for timing. The person is running 51th year..which should be > > > governed by Ketu. > > > > > Ketu is in Pisces (6th house) of natal chart and in navamsa it > > moves > > > to Sagi. > > > > > That indicates it has a very strong connection with Jup. On that > > > day, it was > > > > > with Mars in Cancer. But what connection does it have with Jup in > > > Sagi (in transit) ? > > > > > > > > > > 4) In one of the blind charts, (probably by Manoj-ji) about a > > > separation/divorce case in > > > > > Arizona, the 6th lord Jup was retro ..in Cancer. It was observed > > > that the person won > > > > > the case, but magnanimously allowed his ex-wife to keep his wards > > > for 1/2 years. > > > > > Does a retro Jup in present case also behaved in similar > > > manner....could have killed > > > > > the person... but did not ? > > > > > > > > > > 5) Earlier, I have tried using Bhrigu Chakra paddhati. In this > > > system, 1 year is allocated > > > > > to every house. That way, on 51st year, the 3rd house will be > > > activated. So Jup is > > > > > activated again. > > > > > > > > > > The problems I faced are : > > > > > > > > > > a) what is there to indicate that the incident happened on road ? > > > generally it is accepted > > > > > by some that if the indications are in Chara Rasi, then it happens > > > on road. Then which > > > > > rasi we are considering here ....Capricorn or Cancer ? > > > > > b) what is there to indicate that the accident is caused by a big > > > vehicle ? Jup (big & heavy) ? > > > > > c) How do we know that the person is okay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > sreesog [sreesog@] > > > > > Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:26 PM > > > > > To: > > > > > <\ \ > > \ > > > %40> > > > > > Re: A blind chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > OK - got it. The native must be in his own confusion about the > > > previous Rahu dasa, and must be thinking that it is Ra/Ju Sandhi that > > is > > > causing the problem. May be as you said the Ayanamsa (who know what he > > > uses!) could also be a problem. > > > > > //Also the timing of Birth is quite accurate// > > > > > We never doubted the timing of birth, and the Dasa-Antara also > > > points to correct event I think. > > > > > For example with Surya Siddhanta Ayansama and 360 days Savana > > year, > > > the dasa sequence was (taken from my prediction post on this)- > > > > > //Vimsottari Dasa: > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 2007-04-29 (4:41:08) - 2023-02-04 (4:41:08) > > > > > Sat AD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2011-12-04 (4:41:08) > > > > > Sat PD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08) > > > > > Jup SD: 2009-10-08 (8:12:20) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08) > > > > > Ket PAD: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-17 (19:23:42) > > > > > Ket: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-16 (18:00:46) > > > > > > > > > > For the native Lagna is Libra and the dasa lord Jupiter the 6th > > lord > > > (danger/accident/disease/wound) is placed in 2nd house. Antara lord > > > Saturn is 4th lord (house/vehicle) placed in 3rd (12th from 4th). > > > Paryantara lord Ketu is placed in 6th (danger/accident/disease/wound) > > > itself. Plot set well for something bad like a fall or accident to > > > happen - it seems.// > > > > > We could see that - > > > > > * Ju (6th lord; Trouble) > > > > > * Sa (4th lord; Vehicle/Longevity) > > > > > * Ju (6th lord; Accident) > > > > > * Ke (placed in 6th; Damage) > > > > > * Ke (placed in 6th; Loss) > > > > > > > > > > Life threatening Vehicle accident is indicated by the same itself > > I > > > think; pointing to the fact that BT is correct. > > > > > One place where possibly I could correct/improve myself is the > > > interpretation I gave to the word " Sailagradabhighatane " [struck due > > to > > > heavy materials - such as big mountain (of mud or rock) or branch of > > > tree, or brick wall] given for the combination for Saturn-Mars > > > combination. i.e. in the natal chart " Saturn's Navamsa is in 10th > > along > > > with mars " . My erroneous interpretation for that in the current > > > horoscope was " fall from height " , whereas the actual result was > > " Struck > > > by a heavy high speed truck " ! > > > > > In interpreting that it could be an accident I was correct, but in > > > pinpointing the real cause/nature of the accident I failed and thought > > > that would be a 'Fall' (something falling on the native or native > > > falling down). Ofcourse 'Vehicle accident' was an expected reason. > > > > > But I couldn't locate that it happened 'On Road' or that the > > 'native > > > will miraculously escape' from the same (instead of getting > > > hospitalized). I will have to study and try to understand why this > > > happened. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > <\ \ > > \ > > > > > %40><%40>, > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > (BTW, the person, who is an astrolger himself, suggests that his > > > > > > Dasha at present is Rahu Dasha..not Ju Dasha. Also the timing of > > > > > > Birth is quite accurate) > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what Chakraborty ji himself mentioned. Hence the > > comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New > > Delhi, > > > India. The information contained in this electronic message and any > > > attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the > > > addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged > > > information. 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Guest guest Report post Posted October 21, 2009 ill let u know later on personal id,im surprised how he escaped,sum ghosts were behind him > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina > Jolie ji > > Congratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are > accurate in the sense you have mentioned the > 'accident' to the native though gone a step > further. > > //the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal > health problem/accident for which he had to be > hospitalized and a surgery had to be performed.// > > Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique > group? > > Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an > accident. Congratulations and hope you will reason out > as you have promised if this was correct. > > DD Trivedi...even you have mentioned a fall...a kind > of accident. So let me congratulate you too for coming close > to the answer. > > Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with > me. Let me congratulate you too for your correct analysis on > the 'happening'. > > //So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. > The reason for fall could be a vehicle accident, fall > from height or even a fall in bathroom or some other similar > watery place.// > > You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to > anyone else's analyses on this quiz in any other > group....and Anjelina Jolie's too. > > We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in > quizzes like this. Let us all appreciate the good > command they have on Astrology. > > Well...our moderators are a pride to us! > > blessings, > > Renu > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam > gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > > > Thanks for this challenging exercise. I am sorry for > the delay in answering. > > > > *IMHO, the person might have encountered a sudden, > near fatal health > > problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized > and a surgery had to be > > performed. It could be a cardiac problem/nervous > disorder (sun with PD lord > > mercury in 8H).* > > > > I am taking Libra Lagna and Dasha sequence of > Jup-Sat-Mer (as per CPA). Not > > taking finer dashas as we may not have the correct > time, but have relied > > more on transits. For the same reason, I am not using > varga charts. > > > > *There is an inherent weakness in the natal chart.* > > > > - Kendras have only a malefic Mars, a debilitated > double Marak aspecting > > lagna. > > - Lagna and LL have no benefic aspect and both > lagna and LL are in PKY. > > - There is an exchange of LL/12L and 8L/12L > (mer-ven) > > - The chart is an alpayu-madhyayu chart. > > - From moon the situation is worse as LL is in 12H, > retro marak Saturn > > with 8L moon in lagna, aspected by 6/11L venus from > 7H. Mars in 8H from > > moon. > > - Sun in 8H with 12L Mercury aspected by 3/6L > Jupiter and Rahu. Mars and > > Saturn are in 3/8 houses from Sun curtailing > longevity. > > > > *Dasha Indications* > > > > MD lord Jupiter is a retrograde trishadaya lord in 2H > (maraksthan) and > > aspects its dispositor debilitated Mars in close > degrees. > > AD lord Saturn is YK 4/5 lord, but is retrograde and > disposited by evil > > Jupiter in 3H. It is in mutual aspect with LL/8L > venus. Saturn is also 22DKN > > and 64NAV lord. > > PD lord Mer is 12L in 8H in exchange with LL venus. It > is in mutual aspect > > with Jup > > > > Dasha sequence with 2 retros, does not appear to be > auspicious. I feel the > > event is not a happy one. If the natal chart is weak > and transits are bad, > > the native could face an adverse situation. > > > > Transit Ketu is exactly on the degree of marak Mars in > Cancer, aspected by > > T-Jup in 8H from Moon and 3H from Sun. All planets in > 12H from lagna and Sun > > is just about entering libra. > > > > I may be totally off track but hope to test my skills > and learn from this > > attempt. Thanks > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > Messages in this topic (418) > > > > Reply (via web post) > | > > Start a new topic > > > > > Messages > > | Files > > | Photos > > > | Database > > > > > > > > > > > > > India has a new look. Take a sneak peek http://in./trynew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji, Thanks for the nice mail. I am well aware of your integrity which I admire silently but not your piercing words to others at times. //Let our praise be honest and appreciation coming from the heart, and not a forced one out of formality.// I totally agree...and this was the trend in this group sometimes ago. Anyway there are a few whose association as astrologers I would not mind losing, but definitely not their friendship. Hence, if I applaud their work it does come from the heart:) blessings, Renu , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > Dear renu ji, > > Such quizzes I have been involved in many, during my Life time on these > forums, and also during my learning days under a Master. So I actually > do not keep track of who has replied what as a reply to the Quiz. I have > got better matters to keep in my memory, day to day work etc. This is > not a great fantasy for me. So honestly I never knew that Neelamji has > replied right to the Quiz, but as soon as I realised this, I actually > did complement her. In fact I already knew that Neelamji was right even > before knowing from this Group, but in which Group had she replied to > the Quiz, I was not aware for I rarely go the KP Group and just visited > yesterday to find out who has replied correctly and found that Shri > Yogesh rao ji has done so. And when someone pointed out to her correct > reply ( Was you???) I immediately complemented her. > > This was due to them. But do not expect me to appreciate every copy > paste article done from other Groups over here. That would be asking for > too much. > > Let our praise be honest and appreciation coming from the heart, and not > a forced one out of formality. > > best wishes, > > Love n regards, > > Bhaskar. , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > > > If my posts appeared like a comparison between AIA & KP group, I > apologize. > > > > What prompted me to write likewise was your following words: > > > > //For Information of all- > > > > From the KP Group which is the other Group where this same Quiz was > > presented, and where one would find many stalwarts, Shri Yogesh Rao > > Lajmi ji was the only one who was able to predict the accident for > this > > native, ........................ > > Hats off to him. He is great. > > > > Unfortunately he is no more here, in this Group.// > > > > I know how much you respect Neelam ji's knowledge but was surprised > when you wrote that Shri Yogesh Rao Lajmi ji was the only one who was > able to predict the accident. As far as I understand I don't see any > difference between Neelam ji's and Shri Lajmi ji's predictions on this > particular case. Hence I thought it was my duty to remind our group of > this. > > > > Sure, it is unfortunate that he left this group since we could have > learned from him. But still we are fortunate to have great astrologers > like Neelam ji and a few others in this group. I refrain from naming > them [including you] lest you may think I " chamchagiri " [buttering..is > it not?...or have I understood the word wrongly?] them. > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Bhaskar " > bhaskar_jyotish@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > It would be a misnomer to compare the KP Goup with this group. There > are > > > at least a 80 active members there who participate regularly in the > > > discussions and maybe just more than that number, but no less. > > > > > > And they do not go gaga over quizzes there. It is a regular affair > > > there. No winner of any Quiz expects laurels over there and neither > many > > > words of appreciation. It is very natural for them to win or loose. > By > > > the way Shri Lajmiji also does not care for laurels or brickbats. He > is > > > too beyond these, and a blunt man not to be taken in by any > > > " chamchagiri " . I am sure he knows very well that those who do > > > chamchagiri on the forum will come back on his personal id asking > for > > > free predictions. > > > > > > How many members are active on this Group ? Not more than 15, or is > > > there a greater number ? So how much more appreciations is required > ? > > > > > > So please do not compare them with here. I think everybody has > received > > > their due appreciations and none more is required. Let us not get > > > bloated with win in one single quiz. This is not going to Kargil and > > > taking a regiment of the opposition army. > > > > > > By the way KP or Traditional, there is not much difference. But you > may > > > speak these words after maybe two decades or so, or maybe not at > all. > > > > > > Do not try to pit Traditional astrology with other systems of > approach, > > > when we are not sure about the contents in the other approach. > > > > > > best wishes,' > > > > > > Bhaskar. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " <renunw@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > > > > > > > Sure, you can leisurely attend to this. It would be helpful as a > > > > reference on a later day for any newcomer or even for anyone of > us. > > > > > > > > I sadly notice that the enthusiasm of the members to post a word > of > > > > encouragement or a note of congratulations to those who come out > with > > > > accurate results in a Blind quiz is very poor. Not that our > members > > > > expect it, but traditional astrology deserves it! > > > > > > > > Just noticed how Lajmi ji is being loaded with bouquets for the > answer > > > > given to the same quiz in KP forum. > > > > > > > > Lajmi ji: > > > > //In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a > > > > life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for > some > > > > length of time...// > > > > > > > > Well, what difference is there in Neelam ji's analysis through > > > > traditional astrology? > > > > > > > > Neelam ji: > > > > //The person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal accident > for > > > > which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be > performed.// > > > > > > > > Sorry...I am not harping on the same string. While going through > KP > > > > forum I happened to notice the 'gala' over respected Lajmi ji's > > > correct > > > > reading to our quiz which reminded me of the past blind quizzes of > our > > > > group and the response of the members to correct answers! > > > > > > > > Are we missing Sunil Nair ji and Sreeram ji here? > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Chakraborty, PL " > > > > CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu-ji, > > > > > > > > > > I would love to do so. But I need some time to concentrate > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > On Behalf Of > renunw > > > > > Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:49 PM > > > > > > > > > > Re: A blind chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the interesting exercise and the answer to which some > > > were > > > > quite close and almost accurate. I Know it is time consuming...but > it > > > > would be quite helpful and useful if you give your final report on > the > > > > analyses given by various members of the group. If my memory > serves me > > > > right, in earlier 'blind quizzes' this was done so by Neelam ji, > > > > Sreenadh ji [may be by few others too..sorry I forget > names]....and I > > > am > > > > sure you are more than capable of giving us a summary of > everyone's > > > > 'rights' and 'wrongs'. > > > > > > > > > > Hope I am not asking you too much...please do take your time:) > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > <\ > \ > > > \ > > > > %40>, " Chakraborty, PL " CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > > > > > > > I also tried my hands in analysing the event. One of the > handicap > > > in > > > > > > my case (apart from undertsanding) was I knew the events in > > > details. > > > > > > That generally channelize the thinking in one direction only. > > > > > > > > > > > > The other handicap was... my J-Hora has been deleted from my > > > office > > > > > > computer. The only source is Astrodienst which gave the > position > > > of > > > > > > planets in B'chart and transits. It does not give dasha > sequence > > > or > > > > > > nakshatra location of planets. No doubt that could be > calculated > > > > mentally.. > > > > > > but I believe in the saying that " Hard work never kills > > > anybody..BUT > > > > WHY > > > > > > TAKE A CHANCE ? " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I have tried is using transit position and possible > > > connection > > > > to 64th > > > > > > navamsa technique. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun [cid:911550410@20102009-202C] > > > > > > Ve > > > > > > Rahu > > > > > > Pi Ketu Ar Ta Mer+Sun Ge Ve > > > > > > Aq M Y Bhave 18:23 hrs, Cn Mars Mars + (Jup)+ (Sat) Mars-5 + > > > Ketu-2 > > > > > > Jup-23 + Ra -2 Mer Cp 25th May 1959 Bhuj Leo > > > > > > Sg Mo+(Sat) Sc (Jup) [cid:911550410@20102009-2033] > > > > > > Li > > > > > > Vi Mo-1 > > > > > > Ketu Mo Sat-4 > > > > > > Sun 28 Mer-15 Ve-7 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yellow ; Rasi Chart > > > > > > Grey : navamsa > > > > > > Green : Transit > > > > > > > > > > > > (Please note that above was prepared manually..and hence some > > > error > > > > may be > > > > > > there. Also, the positions are based on Astrodienst output > which > > > > sometime vary > > > > > > slightly from other softwares) > > > > > > > > > > > > In B'chart, Venus is at 23 Ge 21. Now Venus may indicate self > as > > > > well as > > > > > > the car. Venus is also 8th lord. The 64th navamsa from Venus > > > (adding > > > > 210 > > > > > > deg to natal chart position of Venus) will be Capricorn 23 > deg. On > > > > that day > > > > > > Jup was at 23 deg. This is Co-incidence No. 1 > > > > > > > > > > > > The 4th & 5th lord Saturn has moved to 12th house of his chart > in > > > > transit. > > > > > > The person is expecting a change of residence (thereby > transfer in > > > > posting) > > > > > > for last few months (chances appears good ..likely in > Mar-April > > > > 2010). But > > > > > > I had not considered damage to any house or vehicle > previously) > > > > > > > > > > > > Other co-incidence I noticed is following > > > > > > > > > > > > In natal Chart, Jup and Mars are at approx 2 deg. at Scorpio & > > > > cancer respectively. > > > > > > On that day Ra/ketu was at approx 2 degree at Capri/cancer > > > > respectively. However > > > > > > what that should convey is not clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now coming back to Co-incidence 1 (64th navamsa part), the > > > > quandaries / thinking > > > > > > are : > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Jup is 3rd lod (12th to 4H..and hence capable of destroying > > > > vehicle) and > > > > > > 6th lord (damage, danger etc). Jup will also indicate driver > (6th > > > > lord..3rd > > > > > > to 4th house). But Jup is also a benefic and in transit, Jup > > > should > > > > give > > > > > > benefic results. > > > > > > 2) I remembered that there was a blind chart analysis in which > the > > > > person > > > > > > died mysteriously while travelling/ after alighting from > train. > > > > There also transit Jup > > > > > > was exactly on natal venus location. The reason was analyzed > as > > > Deva > > > > shrapa. > > > > > > 3) While using 64th navamsa, people generally uses Udaykala or > > > > maturity of planets > > > > > > for timing. The person is running 51th year..which should be > > > > governed by Ketu. > > > > > > Ketu is in Pisces (6th house) of natal chart and in navamsa it > > > moves > > > > to Sagi. > > > > > > That indicates it has a very strong connection with Jup. On > that > > > > day, it was > > > > > > with Mars in Cancer. But what connection does it have with Jup > in > > > > Sagi (in transit) ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 4) In one of the blind charts, (probably by Manoj-ji) about a > > > > separation/divorce case in > > > > > > Arizona, the 6th lord Jup was retro ..in Cancer. It was > observed > > > > that the person won > > > > > > the case, but magnanimously allowed his ex-wife to keep his > wards > > > > for 1/2 years. > > > > > > Does a retro Jup in present case also behaved in similar > > > > manner....could have killed > > > > > > the person... but did not ? > > > > > > > > > > > > 5) Earlier, I have tried using Bhrigu Chakra paddhati. In this > > > > system, 1 year is allocated > > > > > > to every house. That way, on 51st year, the 3rd house will be > > > > activated. So Jup is > > > > > > activated again. > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems I faced are : > > > > > > > > > > > > a) what is there to indicate that the incident happened on > road ? > > > > generally it is accepted > > > > > > by some that if the indications are in Chara Rasi, then it > happens > > > > on road. Then which > > > > > > rasi we are considering here ....Capricorn or Cancer ? > > > > > > b) what is there to indicate that the accident is caused by a > big > > > > vehicle ? Jup (big & heavy) ? > > > > > > c) How do we know that the person is okay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > > > > > > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > sreesog [sreesog@] > > > > > > Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:26 PM > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > > <\ > \ > > > \ > > > > %40> > > > > > > Re: A blind chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > > > > OK - got it. The native must be in his own confusion about the > > > > previous Rahu dasa, and must be thinking that it is Ra/Ju Sandhi > that > > > is > > > > causing the problem. May be as you said the Ayanamsa (who know > what he > > > > uses!) could also be a problem. > > > > > > //Also the timing of Birth is quite accurate// > > > > > > We never doubted the timing of birth, and the Dasa-Antara also > > > > points to correct event I think. > > > > > > For example with Surya Siddhanta Ayansama and 360 days Savana > > > year, > > > > the dasa sequence was (taken from my prediction post on this)- > > > > > > //Vimsottari Dasa: > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup MD: 2007-04-29 (4:41:08) - 2023-02-04 (4:41:08) > > > > > > Sat AD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2011-12-04 (4:41:08) > > > > > > Sat PD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08) > > > > > > Jup SD: 2009-10-08 (8:12:20) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08) > > > > > > Ket PAD: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-17 (19:23:42) > > > > > > Ket: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-16 (18:00:46) > > > > > > > > > > > > For the native Lagna is Libra and the dasa lord Jupiter the > 6th > > > lord > > > > (danger/accident/disease/wound) is placed in 2nd house. Antara > lord > > > > Saturn is 4th lord (house/vehicle) placed in 3rd (12th from 4th). > > > > Paryantara lord Ketu is placed in 6th > (danger/accident/disease/wound) > > > > itself. Plot set well for something bad like a fall or accident to > > > > happen - it seems.// > > > > > > We could see that - > > > > > > * Ju (6th lord; Trouble) > > > > > > * Sa (4th lord; Vehicle/Longevity) > > > > > > * Ju (6th lord; Accident) > > > > > > * Ke (placed in 6th; Damage) > > > > > > * Ke (placed in 6th; Loss) > > > > > > > > > > > > Life threatening Vehicle accident is indicated by the same > itself > > > I > > > > think; pointing to the fact that BT is correct. > > > > > > One place where possibly I could correct/improve myself is the > > > > interpretation I gave to the word " Sailagradabhighatane " [struck > due > > > to > > > > heavy materials - such as big mountain (of mud or rock) or branch > of > > > > tree, or brick wall] given for the combination for Saturn-Mars > > > > combination. i.e. in the natal chart " Saturn's Navamsa is in 10th > > > along > > > > with mars " . My erroneous interpretation for that in the current > > > > horoscope was " fall from height " , whereas the actual result was > > > " Struck > > > > by a heavy high speed truck " ! > > > > > > In interpreting that it could be an accident I was correct, > but in > > > > pinpointing the real cause/nature of the accident I failed and > thought > > > > that would be a 'Fall' (something falling on the native or native > > > > falling down). Ofcourse 'Vehicle accident' was an expected reason. > > > > > > But I couldn't locate that it happened 'On Road' or that the > > > 'native > > > > will miraculously escape' from the same (instead of getting > > > > hospitalized). I will have to study and try to understand why this > > > > happened. > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > > > > <\ > \ > > > \ > > > > > > > > %40><%40>, > > > > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (BTW, the person, who is an astrolger himself, suggests that > his > > > > > > > Dasha at present is Rahu Dasha..not Ju Dasha. Also the > timing of > > > > > > > Birth is quite accurate) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what Chakraborty ji himself mentioned. Hence the > > > comments. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New > > > Delhi, > > > > India. 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Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Dear Renu ji, Why do you think so much ? I have noticed not few times, but on many occasions that you take written lines to a personal level when it is not so and get touchy about same. .....Let our praise be honest.... These lines were written not for you, but for all of us. I respect and love ladies and would never hurt them, or use piercing words out of turn for them, bcoz never for a moment forget that without them we would not be here, and the world would not be a interesting place to live in if they were not here. They are necessary for our subsistence at all levels and ages of Life. best wishes, Bhaskar. , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Thanks for the nice mail. I am well aware of your integrity which I admire silently but not your piercing words to others at times. > > //Let our praise be honest and appreciation coming from the heart, and not a forced one out of formality.// > > I totally agree...and this was the trend in this group sometimes ago. > > Anyway there are a few whose association as astrologers I would not mind losing, but definitely not their friendship. Hence, if I applaud their work it does come from the heart:) > > blessings, > > Renu Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Dear Renu-ji, I know that I should show appreciation when it is deserving. However, I find difficult to write it. I am very happy when I can finish my mails with one-liners. But sadly, astro forums are not the best platforms for such mails. regards Chakraborty On Behalf Of renunwWednesday, October 21, 2009 10:30 PM Subject: Re: A blind chart Dear Chakraborty ji,Sure, you can leisurely attend to this. It would be helpful as a reference on a later day for any newcomer or even for anyone of us.I sadly notice that the enthusiasm of the members to post a word of encouragement or a note of congratulations to those who come out with accurate results in a Blind quiz is very poor. Not that our members expect it, but traditional astrology deserves it!Just noticed how Lajmi ji is being loaded with bouquets for the answer given to the same quiz in KP forum. Lajmi ji: //In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...//Well, what difference is there in Neelam ji's analysis through traditional astrology?Neelam ji://The person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be performed.//Sorry...I am not harping on the same string. While going through KP forum I happened to notice the 'gala' over respected Lajmi ji's correct reading to our quiz which reminded me of the past blind quizzes of our group and the response of the members to correct answers!Are we missing Sunil Nair ji and Sreeram ji here?blessings,Renu , "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Renu-ji,> > I would love to do so. But I need some time to concentrate> > regards> > Chakraborty> > ________________________________> On Behalf Of renunw> Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:49 PM> > Re: A blind chart> > > > Dear Chakraborty ji,> > Thanks for the interesting exercise and the answer to which some were quite close and almost accurate. I Know it is time consuming...but it would be quite helpful and useful if you give your final report on the analyses given by various members of the group. If my memory serves me right, in earlier 'blind quizzes' this was done so by Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji [may be by few others too..sorry I forget names]....and I am sure you are more than capable of giving us a summary of everyone's 'rights' and 'wrongs'.> > Hope I am not asking you too much...please do take your time:)> > blessings,> > Renu> > <%40>, "Chakraborty, PL" CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear friends,> >> > I also tried my hands in analysing the event. One of the handicap in> > my case (apart from undertsanding) was I knew the events in details.> > That generally channelize the thinking in one direction only.> >> > The other handicap was... my J-Hora has been deleted from my office> > computer. The only source is Astrodienst which gave the position of> > planets in B'chart and transits. It does not give dasha sequence or> > nakshatra location of planets. No doubt that could be calculated mentally..> > but I believe in the saying that "Hard work never kills anybody..BUT WHY> > TAKE A CHANCE ?"> >> >> > What I have tried is using transit position and possible connection to 64th> > navamsa technique.> >> >> >> > Sun [cid:911550410@20102009-202C]> > Ve> > Rahu> > Pi Ketu Ar Ta Mer+Sun Ge Ve> > Aq M Y Bhave 18:23 hrs, Cn Mars Mars + (Jup)+ (Sat) Mars-5 + Ketu-2> > Jup-23 + Ra -2 Mer Cp 25th May 1959 Bhuj Leo> > Sg Mo+(Sat) Sc (Jup) [cid:911550410@20102009-2033]> > Li> > Vi Mo-1> > Ketu Mo Sat-4> > Sun 28 Mer-15 Ve-7> >> >> > Yellow ; Rasi Chart> > Grey : navamsa> > Green : Transit> >> > (Please note that above was prepared manually..and hence some error may be> > there. Also, the positions are based on Astrodienst output which sometime vary> > slightly from other softwares)> >> > In B'chart, Venus is at 23 Ge 21. Now Venus may indicate self as well as> > the car. Venus is also 8th lord. The 64th navamsa from Venus (adding 210> > deg to natal chart position of Venus) will be Capricorn 23 deg. On that day> > Jup was at 23 deg. This is Co-incidence No. 1> >> > The 4th & 5th lord Saturn has moved to 12th house of his chart in transit.> > The person is expecting a change of residence (thereby transfer in posting)> > for last few months (chances appears good ..likely in Mar-April 2010). But> > I had not considered damage to any house or vehicle previously)> >> > Other co-incidence I noticed is following> >> > In natal Chart, Jup and Mars are at approx 2 deg. at Scorpio & cancer respectively.> > On that day Ra/ketu was at approx 2 degree at Capri/cancer respectively. However> > what that should convey is not clear.> >> > Now coming back to Co-incidence 1 (64th navamsa part), the quandaries / thinking> > are :> >> > 1) Jup is 3rd lod (12th to 4H..and hence capable of destroying vehicle) and> > 6th lord (damage, danger etc). Jup will also indicate driver (6th lord..3rd> > to 4th house). But Jup is also a benefic and in transit, Jup should give> > benefic results.> > 2) I remembered that there was a blind chart analysis in which the person> > died mysteriously while travelling/ after alighting from train. There also transit Jup> > was exactly on natal venus location. The reason was analyzed as Deva shrapa.> > 3) While using 64th navamsa, people generally uses Udaykala or maturity of planets> > for timing. The person is running 51th year..which should be governed by Ketu.> > Ketu is in Pisces (6th house) of natal chart and in navamsa it moves to Sagi.> > That indicates it has a very strong connection with Jup. On that day, it was> > with Mars in Cancer. But what connection does it have with Jup in Sagi (in transit) ?> >> > 4) In one of the blind charts, (probably by Manoj-ji) about a separation/divorce case in> > Arizona, the 6th lord Jup was retro ..in Cancer. It was observed that the person won> > the case, but magnanimously allowed his ex-wife to keep his wards for 1/2 years.> > Does a retro Jup in present case also behaved in similar manner....could have killed> > the person... but did not ?> >> > 5) Earlier, I have tried using Bhrigu Chakra paddhati. In this system, 1 year is allocated> > to every house. That way, on 51st year, the 3rd house will be activated. So Jup is> > activated again.> >> > The problems I faced are :> >> > a) what is there to indicate that the incident happened on road ? generally it is accepted> > by some that if the indications are in Chara Rasi, then it happens on road. Then which> > rasi we are considering here ....Capricorn or Cancer ?> > b) what is there to indicate that the accident is caused by a big vehicle ? Jup (big & heavy) ?> > c) How do we know that the person is okay ?> >> >> >> > regards> >> > Chakraborty> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > sreesog [sreesog@]> > Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:26 PM> > <%40>> > Re: A blind chart> >> >> >> > Dear Neelam ji,> > OK - got it. The native must be in his own confusion about the previous Rahu dasa, and must be thinking that it is Ra/Ju Sandhi that is causing the problem. May be as you said the Ayanamsa (who know what he uses!) could also be a problem.> > //Also the timing of Birth is quite accurate//> > We never doubted the timing of birth, and the Dasa-Antara also points to correct event I think.> > For example with Surya Siddhanta Ayansama and 360 days Savana year, the dasa sequence was (taken from my prediction post on this)-> > //Vimsottari Dasa:> >> > Jup MD: 2007-04-29 (4:41:08) - 2023-02-04 (4:41:08)> > Sat AD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2011-12-04 (4:41:08)> > Sat PD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08)> > Jup SD: 2009-10-08 (8:12:20) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08)> > Ket PAD: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-17 (19:23:42)> > Ket: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-16 (18:00:46)> >> > For the native Lagna is Libra and the dasa lord Jupiter the 6th lord (danger/accident/disease/wound) is placed in 2nd house. Antara lord Saturn is 4th lord (house/vehicle) placed in 3rd (12th from 4th). Paryantara lord Ketu is placed in 6th (danger/accident/disease/wound) itself. Plot set well for something bad like a fall or accident to happen - it seems.//> > We could see that -> > * Ju (6th lord; Trouble)> > * Sa (4th lord; Vehicle/Longevity)> > * Ju (6th lord; Accident)> > * Ke (placed in 6th; Damage)> > * Ke (placed in 6th; Loss)> >> > Life threatening Vehicle accident is indicated by the same itself I think; pointing to the fact that BT is correct.> > One place where possibly I could correct/improve myself is the interpretation I gave to the word "Sailagradabhighatane" [struck due to heavy materials - such as big mountain (of mud or rock) or branch of tree, or brick wall] given for the combination for Saturn-Mars combination. i.e. in the natal chart "Saturn's Navamsa is in 10th along with mars". My erroneous interpretation for that in the current horoscope was "fall from height", whereas the actual result was "Struck by a heavy high speed truck"!> > In interpreting that it could be an accident I was correct, but in pinpointing the real cause/nature of the accident I failed and thought that would be a 'Fall' (something falling on the native or native falling down). Ofcourse 'Vehicle accident' was an expected reason.> > But I couldn't locate that it happened 'On Road' or that the 'native will miraculously escape' from the same (instead of getting hospitalized). I will have to study and try to understand why this happened.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > <%40><%40>, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > (BTW, the person, who is an astrolger himself, suggests that his> > > Dasha at present is Rahu Dasha..not Ju Dasha. Also the timing of> > > Birth is quite accurate)> > >> > > This is what Chakraborty ji himself mentioned. 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Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2009 HI All,It is wonderful how so many of our friends on the forum "hit the bull's eye" with the "blind quiz." The clues and combinations were so well interpreted.......I am lost in admiration. But I find, some times what happens is, when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies. The only explanation is "Old age". I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the "approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples"???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts???Regards, Anita--- On Wed, 21/10/09, sreesog <sreesog wrote:sreesog <sreesog Re: A blind chart Date: Wednesday, 21 October, 2009, 6:07 PM Dear Renu ji and Manoj ji, I enjoyed this mail a lot - especially the second and third lines. As you srinivas ji is my favorite and the dearest friend. Love and hugs,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Manoj ji,> > Thanks for your good words...but who is talking of humility here? I was off the track...totally concentrating on a brother of the native!> > Your 'spectacularly wrong answer' indeed was another piece of study though went wrong on this particular instance.> > Your write-ups are so much similar to our Sreeram ji's, which we miss a lot nowadays!> > blessings,> > Renu Try the new India Homepage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Dear Anita ji, //I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the " approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples " ???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts???// All the Ayur Dasas are aimed at this only; also there are some wonderful techniques based on Navamsa etc that helps us much in arrive at approximate age at which the demise could happen. Further even the Vimsottari dasa itself -with the longevity houses (8-3) houses and maraka houses (2-7) involvement - coupled with the use of Transits can point to the possible period of death; even though not exact. Therefore it would be wrong to say -//when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies.// May be we can try that too with some blind quizes - but with less expectation of accuracy and correctness - since the astrologers here are yet to look closely into this area of predication and gain expertise on this. Love and regards, Sreenadh , Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote: > > HI All, > It is wonderful how so many of our friends on the forum " hit the bull's eye " with the " blind quiz. " The clues and combinations were so well interpreted.......I am lost in admiration. But I find, some times what happens is, when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies. The only explanation is " Old age " . I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the " approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples " ???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts??? > Regards, > Anita Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Dear Anita ji,From birth to death, whatever happens with us must be present in the horoscope. Nothing can come to pass beyond one's horoscope.This is what our sages and gurus have said. But we are hardly equipped to see the approaching event with any clarity! RegardsNeelam2009/10/22 sreesog <sreesog Dear Anita ji, //I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the " approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples " ???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts???// All the Ayur Dasas are aimed at this only; also there are some wonderful techniques based on Navamsa etc that helps us much in arrive at approximate age at which the demise could happen. Further even the Vimsottari dasa itself -with the longevity houses (8-3) houses and maraka houses (2-7) involvement - coupled with the use of Transits can point to the possible period of death; even though not exact. Therefore it would be wrong to say -//when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies.// May be we can try that too with some blind quizes - but with less expectation of accuracy and correctness - since the astrologers here are yet to look closely into this area of predication and gain expertise on this. Love and regards, Sreenadh , Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote: > > HI All, > It is wonderful how so many of our friends on the forum " hit the bull's eye " with the " blind quiz. " The clues and combinations were so well interpreted.......I am lost in admiration. But I find, some times what happens is, when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies. The only explanation is " Old age " . I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the " approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples " ???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts??? > Regards, > Anita Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2009 in which part of the body was the injury ?--- On Wed, 21/10/09, renunw <renunw wrote: renunw <renunw Re: A blind chart Date: Wednesday, 21 October, 2009, 11:45 PM Dear Sreenadh ji,Thanks...//You make your presence felt//Naturally ....when we get to live in a male dominant society!blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" <sreesog > wrote:>> Dear Renu ji,> Thanks for the nice compilation that relieved the burden of this task> from Chakraborty ji. Thanks. [] We missed you for long, and when> you are back, you are back with a bang! [] You makes your presence> felt, interaction flowing and group become more lively. []> I join hands with you in appreciating all who predicted correctly and> my special congrats to Neelam ji.> Love and hugs,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunw@>> wrote:> >> Re: A blind chart> Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie ji> > Congratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the sense you> have mentioned the 'accident' to the native though gone a step further.> > //the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health> problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had> to be performed.//> > Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group?> > Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident.> Congratulations and hope you will reason out as you have promised if> this was correct.> > DD Trivedi...even you have mentioned a fall...a kind of accident. So let> me congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.> > Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let me> congratulate you too for your correct analysis on the 'happening'.> > //So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. The reason for> fall could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall in> bathroom or some other similar watery place.//> > You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyone else's> analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie's too.> > We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzes like> this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have on Astrology.> > Well...our moderators are a pride to us!> > blessings,> > Renu> India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Dear Chiranjiv-ji, There was no injury. Not a scratch even regards Chakraborty On Behalf Of chiranjiv mehtaThursday, October 22, 2009 1:53 PM Subject: Re: Re: A blind chart in which part of the body was the injury ?--- On Wed, 21/10/09, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Re: A blind chart Date: Wednesday, 21 October, 2009, 11:45 PM Dear Sreenadh ji,Thanks...//You make your presence felt//Naturally ....when we get to live in a male dominant society!blessings,Renuancient_indian_ astrology, "sreesog" <sreesog > wrote:>> Dear Renu ji,> Thanks for the nice compilation that relieved the burden of this task> from Chakraborty ji. Thanks. [] We missed you for long, and when> you are back, you are back with a bang! [] You makes your presence> felt, interaction flowing and group become more lively. []> I join hands with you in appreciating all who predicted correctly and> my special congrats to Neelam ji.> Love and hugs,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunw@>> wrote:> >> Re: A blind chart> Dear Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji D.D Trivedi ji and Anjelina Jolie ji> > Congratulations Neelam ji! Once again you are accurate in the sense you> have mentioned the 'accident' to the native though gone a step further.> > //the person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal health> problem/accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had> to be performed.//> > Aren't we indeed fortunate to have you in this unique group?> > Anjelina Jolie Ji too said that the native met with an accident.> Congratulations and hope you will reason out as you have promised if> this was correct.> > DD Trivedi...even you have mentioned a fall...a kind of accident. So let> me congratulate you too for coming close to the answer.> > Sreenadh ji...ladies first...so don't get annoyed with me. Let me> congratulate you too for your correct analysis on the 'happening'.> > //So my conclusion would be - Most possibly it is a FALL. The reason for> fall could be a vehicle accident, fall from height or even a fall in> bathroom or some other similar watery place.//> > You and Neelam ji gave your views which were no second to anyone else's> analyses on this quiz in any other group....and Anjelina Jolie's too.> > We should understand that rarely we can be 100% accurate in quizzes like> this. Let us all appreciate the good command they have on Astrology.> > Well...our moderators are a pride to us!> > blessings,> > Renu> India has a new look. Take a sneak peek. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Hello Sreenadh ji, I made that observation based on the horoscope of my aunt who passed away last year within a few minutes, of a massive heart attack. She would have been 80 a month and a half later. she did not have any of the usual maraka dashas. NO maraka antar bhukthis, no malefic aspects on 3rd, 8th houses etc. Of course there is the possibility that her horoscope is not very accurate since back in the old days, in the little villages, time was " guessed " depending on the arrival and departure of buses, you know they would say, " she / he was born approximately 20 minutes after the shringeri bus passed by " .. etc, where as it could be 40 minutes since it passed by, that too if it was on time, when the child was born. This is a reality. We have to make allowances for this. Another of my aunts born in kerala ( )) and was very good at astrology, passed away in sep this year and she was going through her third sadesati, third phase, with second lord saturn in 8th house leo, aspected by her 12th lord guru ( lagna being makara) - you know, all combinations which could kill were there. But sometimes there are no pointers in the horoscope at all which can make a person know that there is bad time going on unless one makes an in depth study of the navamsa, etc. Regards, Anita. --- On Thu, 22/10/09, sreesog <sreesog wrote: sreesog <sreesog Re: A blind chart Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 6:16 AM Dear Anita ji, //I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the " approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples " ???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts???/ / All the Ayur Dasas are aimed at this only; also there are some wonderful techniques based on Navamsa etc that helps us much in arrive at approximate age at which the demise could happen. Further even the Vimsottari dasa itself -with the longevity houses (8-3) houses and maraka houses (2-7) involvement - coupled with the use of Transits can point to the possible period of death; even though not exact. Therefore it would be wrong to say -//when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies.// May be we can try that too with some blind quizes - but with less expectation of accuracy and correctness - since the astrologers here are yet to look closely into this area of predication and gain expertise on this. Love and regards, Sreenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@. ..> wrote: > > HI All, > It is wonderful how so many of our friends on the forum " hit the bull's eye " with the " blind quiz. " The clues and combinations were so well interpreted. .......I am lost in admiration. But I find, some times what happens is, when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies. The only explanation is " Old age " . I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the " approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples " ???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts??? > Regards, > Anita Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how. http://in.overview.mail./connectmore Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2009 well said. But as I said in my reply to sreenadh ji, this holds good if the birth time is correctly recorded in the first case , which was not always true in the good old days. )Lots of love,Anita--- On Thu, 22/10/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: A blind chart Date: Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 6:55 AM Dear Anita ji,From birth to death, whatever happens with us must be present in the horoscope. Nothing can come to pass beyond one's horoscope.This is what our sages and gurus have said. But we are hardly equipped to see the approaching event with any clarity! RegardsNeelam2009/10/22 sreesog <sreesog > Dear Anita ji, //I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the "approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples"???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts???/ / All the Ayur Dasas are aimed at this only; also there are some wonderful techniques based on Navamsa etc that helps us much in arrive at approximate age at which the demise could happen. Further even the Vimsottari dasa itself -with the longevity houses (8-3) houses and maraka houses (2-7) involvement - coupled with the use of Transits can point to the possible period of death; even though not exact. Therefore it would be wrong to say -//when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies.// May be we can try that too with some blind quizes - but with less expectation of accuracy and correctness - since the astrologers here are yet to look closely into this area of predication and gain expertise on this. Love and regards, Sreenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@.. .> wrote: > > HI All, > It is wonderful how so many of our friends on the forum "hit the bull's eye" with the "blind quiz." The clues and combinations were so well interpreted. ......I am lost in admiration. But I find, some times what happens is, when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies. The only explanation is "Old age". I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the "approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples"???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts??? > Regards, > Anita Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Dear Anita Ji, You said members scored bulls eye. Not so. Every one missed the fact that he was completely unhurt from the accident, not even a scratch. Even more, even now we cannot figure out astrologically how that happened. So, it seems like always, the Almightly has the last say and the last laugh. Regards, -Manoj Anita R <ash.rsh55 Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 7:00:18 AMRe: Re: A blind chart well said. But as I said in my reply to sreenadh ji, this holds good if the birth time is correctly recorded in the first case , which was not always true in the good old days. )Lots of love,Anita--- On Thu, 22/10/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: A blind chartancient_indian_ astrologyThursday, 22 October, 2009, 6:55 AM Dear Anita ji,From birth to death, whatever happens with us must be present in the horoscope. Nothing can come to pass beyond one's horoscope.This is what our sages and gurus have said. But we are hardly equipped to see the approaching event with any clarity!RegardsNeelam 2009/10/22 sreesog <sreesog > Dear Anita ji, //I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the "approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples"???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts???/ /All the Ayur Dasas are aimed at this only; also there are some wonderful techniques based on Navamsa etc that helps us much in arrive at approximate age at which the demise could happen. Further even the Vimsottari dasa itself -with the longevity houses (8-3) houses and maraka houses (2-7) involvement - coupled with the use of Transits can point to the possible period of death; even though not exact. Therefore it would be wrong to say -//when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies.//May be we can try that too with some blind quizes - but with less expectation of accuracy and correctness - since the astrologers here are yet to look closely into this area of predication and gain expertise on this. Love and regards,Sreenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R <ash.rsh55@.. .> wrote:>> HI All,> It is wonderful how so many of our friends on the forum "hit the bull's eye" with the "blind quiz." The clues and combinations were so well interpreted. ......I am lost in admiration. But I find, some times what happens is, when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies. The only explanation is "Old age". I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the "approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples"???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts???> Regards, > Anita Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Dear Manoj ji,i am sorry.Though i failed i said there is an element of SURPRISE in capitals even for himself and also said ofcourse later that YK sat saved him.....i ALSO AGREED THAT i failed (to see the accident).Love and regards,gopi. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Anita Ji,> > You said members scored bulls eye. Not so. Every one missed the fact that he was completely unhurt from the accident, not even a scratch. Even more, even now we cannot figure out astrologically how that happened. So, it seems like always, the Almightly has the last say and the last laugh.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ________________________________> Anita R ash.rsh55 > Thu, October 22, 2009 7:00:18 AM> Re: Re: A blind chart> > > well said. But as I said in my reply to sreenadh ji, this holds good if the birth time is correctly recorded in the first case , which was not always true in the good old days. )> Lots of love,> Anita> > --- On Thu, 22/10/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: A blind chart> >ancient_indian_ astrology> >Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 6:55 AM> >> >> > > >Dear Anita ji,> >> >From birth to death, whatever happens with us must be present in the horoscope. Nothing can come to pass beyond one's horoscope.> >This is what our sages and gurus have said. > >But we are hardly equipped to see the approaching event with any clarity!> >> >Regards> >Neelam> >> >> >> >2009/10/22 sreesog sreesog >> >> >Dear Anita ji, > >>//I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the "approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples"???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts???/ /> >>All the Ayur Dasas are aimed at this only; also there are some wonderful techniques based on Navamsa etc that helps us much in arrive at approximate age at which the demise could happen. Further even the Vimsottari dasa itself -with the longevity houses (8-3) houses and maraka houses (2-7) involvement - coupled with the use of Transits can point to the possible period of death; even though not exact. > >>Therefore it would be wrong to say -//when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies.//> >>May be we can try that too with some blind quizes - but with less expectation of accuracy and correctness - since the astrologers here are yet to look closely into this area of predication and gain expertise on this. > >>Love and regards,> >>Sreenadh> >>> >>> >>ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R ash.rsh55@ .> wrote:> >>>> >>> HI All,> >>> It is wonderful how so many of our friends on the forum "hit the bull's eye" with the "blind quiz." The clues and combinations were so well interpreted. ......I am lost in admiration. But I find, some times what happens is, when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies. The only explanation is "Old age". I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the "approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples"???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts???> >>> Regards, > >>> Anita> >>> >>> > > > ________________________________> Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Dear Chakraborty ji, No problem...it was just a reminder to everyone. Since you were the 'quiz master' of that interesting exercise, I addressed it to you:) blessings, Renu , " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: > > Dear Renu-ji, > > I know that I should show appreciation when it is deserving. > > However, I find difficult to write it. I am very happy when I can > finish my mails with one-liners. But sadly, astro forums are not > the best platforms for such mails. > > regards > > Chakraborty > > ________________________________ > On Behalf Of renunw > Wednesday, October 21, 2009 10:30 PM > > Re: A blind chart > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > Sure, you can leisurely attend to this. It would be helpful as a reference on a later day for any newcomer or even for anyone of us. > > I sadly notice that the enthusiasm of the members to post a word of encouragement or a note of congratulations to those who come out with accurate results in a Blind quiz is very poor. Not that our members expect it, but traditional astrology deserves it! > > Just noticed how Lajmi ji is being loaded with bouquets for the answer given to the same quiz in KP forum. > > Lajmi ji: > //In my humble opinion the subject will mist probably meet with a life-threatening accident and survive...and be hospitalised for some length of time...// > > Well, what difference is there in Neelam ji's analysis through traditional astrology? > > Neelam ji: > //The person might have encountered a sudden, near fatal accident for which he had to be hospitalized and a surgery had to be performed.// > > Sorry...I am not harping on the same string. While going through KP forum I happened to notice the 'gala' over respected Lajmi ji's correct reading to our quiz which reminded me of the past blind quizzes of our group and the response of the members to correct answers! > > Are we missing Sunil Nair ji and Sreeram ji here? > > blessings, > > Renu , " Chakraborty, PL " <CHAKRABORTYP2@> wrote: > > > > Dear Renu-ji, > > > > I would love to do so. But I need some time to concentrate > > > > regards > > > > Chakraborty > > > > ________________________________ > > On Behalf Of renunw > > Wednesday, October 21, 2009 6:49 PM > > > > Re: A blind chart > > > > > > > > Dear Chakraborty ji, > > > > Thanks for the interesting exercise and the answer to which some were quite close and almost accurate. I Know it is time consuming...but it would be quite helpful and useful if you give your final report on the analyses given by various members of the group. If my memory serves me right, in earlier 'blind quizzes' this was done so by Neelam ji, Sreenadh ji [may be by few others too..sorry I forget names]....and I am sure you are more than capable of giving us a summary of everyone's 'rights' and 'wrongs'. > > > > Hope I am not asking you too much...please do take your time:) > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > --- In <%40\ groups.com>, " Chakraborty, PL " CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends, > > > > > > I also tried my hands in analysing the event. One of the handicap in > > > my case (apart from undertsanding) was I knew the events in details. > > > That generally channelize the thinking in one direction only. > > > > > > The other handicap was... my J-Hora has been deleted from my office > > > computer. The only source is Astrodienst which gave the position of > > > planets in B'chart and transits. It does not give dasha sequence or > > > nakshatra location of planets. No doubt that could be calculated mentally.. > > > but I believe in the saying that " Hard work never kills anybody..BUT WHY > > > TAKE A CHANCE ? " > > > > > > > > > What I have tried is using transit position and possible connection to 64th > > > navamsa technique. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sun [cid:911550410@20102009-202C] > > > Ve > > > Rahu > > > Pi Ketu Ar Ta Mer+Sun Ge Ve > > > Aq M Y Bhave 18:23 hrs, Cn Mars Mars + (Jup)+ (Sat) Mars-5 + Ketu-2 > > > Jup-23 + Ra -2 Mer Cp 25th May 1959 Bhuj Leo > > > Sg Mo+(Sat) Sc (Jup) [cid:911550410@20102009-2033] > > > Li > > > Vi Mo-1 > > > Ketu Mo Sat-4 > > > Sun 28 Mer-15 Ve-7 > > > > > > > > > Yellow ; Rasi Chart > > > Grey : navamsa > > > Green : Transit > > > > > > (Please note that above was prepared manually..and hence some error may be > > > there. Also, the positions are based on Astrodienst output which sometime vary > > > slightly from other softwares) > > > > > > In B'chart, Venus is at 23 Ge 21. Now Venus may indicate self as well as > > > the car. Venus is also 8th lord. The 64th navamsa from Venus (adding 210 > > > deg to natal chart position of Venus) will be Capricorn 23 deg. On that day > > > Jup was at 23 deg. This is Co-incidence No. 1 > > > > > > The 4th & 5th lord Saturn has moved to 12th house of his chart in transit. > > > The person is expecting a change of residence (thereby transfer in posting) > > > for last few months (chances appears good ..likely in Mar-April 2010). But > > > I had not considered damage to any house or vehicle previously) > > > > > > Other co-incidence I noticed is following > > > > > > In natal Chart, Jup and Mars are at approx 2 deg. at Scorpio & cancer respectively. > > > On that day Ra/ketu was at approx 2 degree at Capri/cancer respectively. However > > > what that should convey is not clear. > > > > > > Now coming back to Co-incidence 1 (64th navamsa part), the quandaries / thinking > > > are : > > > > > > 1) Jup is 3rd lod (12th to 4H..and hence capable of destroying vehicle) and > > > 6th lord (damage, danger etc). Jup will also indicate driver (6th lord..3rd > > > to 4th house). But Jup is also a benefic and in transit, Jup should give > > > benefic results. > > > 2) I remembered that there was a blind chart analysis in which the person > > > died mysteriously while travelling/ after alighting from train. There also transit Jup > > > was exactly on natal venus location. The reason was analyzed as Deva shrapa. > > > 3) While using 64th navamsa, people generally uses Udaykala or maturity of planets > > > for timing. The person is running 51th year..which should be governed by Ketu. > > > Ketu is in Pisces (6th house) of natal chart and in navamsa it moves to Sagi. > > > That indicates it has a very strong connection with Jup. On that day, it was > > > with Mars in Cancer. But what connection does it have with Jup in Sagi (in transit) ? > > > > > > 4) In one of the blind charts, (probably by Manoj-ji) about a separation/divorce case in > > > Arizona, the 6th lord Jup was retro ..in Cancer. It was observed that the person won > > > the case, but magnanimously allowed his ex-wife to keep his wards for 1/2 years. > > > Does a retro Jup in present case also behaved in similar manner....could have killed > > > the person... but did not ? > > > > > > 5) Earlier, I have tried using Bhrigu Chakra paddhati. In this system, 1 year is allocated > > > to every house. That way, on 51st year, the 3rd house will be activated. So Jup is > > > activated again. > > > > > > The problems I faced are : > > > > > > a) what is there to indicate that the incident happened on road ? generally it is accepted > > > by some that if the indications are in Chara Rasi, then it happens on road. Then which > > > rasi we are considering here ....Capricorn or Cancer ? > > > b) what is there to indicate that the accident is caused by a big vehicle ? Jup (big & heavy) ? > > > c) How do we know that the person is okay ? > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > Chakraborty > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > sreesog [sreesog@] > > > Tuesday, October 20, 2009 2:26 PM > > > To: <%40\ groups.com> > > > Re: A blind chart > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelam ji, > > > OK - got it. The native must be in his own confusion about the previous Rahu dasa, and must be thinking that it is Ra/Ju Sandhi that is causing the problem. May be as you said the Ayanamsa (who know what he uses!) could also be a problem. > > > //Also the timing of Birth is quite accurate// > > > We never doubted the timing of birth, and the Dasa-Antara also points to correct event I think. > > > For example with Surya Siddhanta Ayansama and 360 days Savana year, the dasa sequence was (taken from my prediction post on this)- > > > //Vimsottari Dasa: > > > > > > Jup MD: 2007-04-29 (4:41:08) - 2023-02-04 (4:41:08) > > > Sat AD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2011-12-04 (4:41:08) > > > Sat PD: 2009-06-05 (4:41:08) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08) > > > Jup SD: 2009-10-08 (8:12:20) - 2009-10-27 (14:17:08) > > > Ket PAD: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-17 (19:23:42) > > > Ket: 2009-10-16 (16:26:25) - 2009-10-16 (18:00:46) > > > > > > For the native Lagna is Libra and the dasa lord Jupiter the 6th lord (danger/accident/disease/wound) is placed in 2nd house. Antara lord Saturn is 4th lord (house/vehicle) placed in 3rd (12th from 4th). Paryantara lord Ketu is placed in 6th (danger/accident/disease/wound) itself. Plot set well for something bad like a fall or accident to happen - it seems.// > > > We could see that - > > > * Ju (6th lord; Trouble) > > > * Sa (4th lord; Vehicle/Longevity) > > > * Ju (6th lord; Accident) > > > * Ke (placed in 6th; Damage) > > > * Ke (placed in 6th; Loss) > > > > > > Life threatening Vehicle accident is indicated by the same itself I think; pointing to the fact that BT is correct. > > > One place where possibly I could correct/improve myself is the interpretation I gave to the word " Sailagradabhighatane " [struck due to heavy materials - such as big mountain (of mud or rock) or branch of tree, or brick wall] given for the combination for Saturn-Mars combination. i.e. in the natal chart " Saturn's Navamsa is in 10th along with mars " . My erroneous interpretation for that in the current horoscope was " fall from height " , whereas the actual result was " Struck by a heavy high speed truck " ! > > > In interpreting that it could be an accident I was correct, but in pinpointing the real cause/nature of the accident I failed and thought that would be a 'Fall' (something falling on the native or native falling down). Ofcourse 'Vehicle accident' was an expected reason. > > > But I couldn't locate that it happened 'On Road' or that the 'native will miraculously escape' from the same (instead of getting hospitalized). I will have to study and try to understand why this happened. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > --- In <%40\ groups.com><%40>, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > (BTW, the person, who is an astrolger himself, suggests that his > > > > Dasha at present is Rahu Dasha..not Ju Dasha. 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Guest guest Report post Posted October 22, 2009 Dear Gopi Ji, Sorry for my mistype. I meant to say "Those who predicted the accident correctly, failed to see his miraculous escape". Any way I was just meaning to say that ultimately God owns every one and every thing and we are mere astrologers. Regards, -Manoj gopalakrishna <gopi_b927 Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 10:04:43 AM Re: A blind chart Dear Manoj ji,i am sorry.Though i failed i said there is an element of SURPRISE in capitals even for himself and also said ofcourse later that YK sat saved him.....i ALSO AGREED THAT i failed (to see the accident).Love and regards,gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Anita Ji,> > You said members scored bulls eye. Not so. Every one missed the fact that he was completely unhurt from the accident, not even a scratch. Even more, even now we cannot figure out astrologically how that happened. So, it seems like always, the Almightly has the last say and the last laugh.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Anita R ash.rsh55@.. .> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thu, October 22, 2009 7:00:18 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: A blind chart> > > well said. But as I said in my reply to sreenadh ji, this holds good if the birth time is correctly recorded in the first case , which was not always true in the good old days. )> Lots of love,> Anita> > --- On Thu, 22/10/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: A blind chart> >ancient_indian_ astrology> >Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 6:55 AM> >> >> > > >Dear Anita ji,> >> >From birth to death, whatever happens with us must be present in the horoscope. Nothing can come to pass beyond one's horoscope.> >This is what our sages and gurus have said. > >But we are hardly equipped to see the approaching event with any clarity!> >> >Regards> >Neelam> >> >> >> >2009/10/22 sreesog sreesog >> >> >Dear Anita ji, > >>//I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the "approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples"???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts???/ /> >>All the Ayur Dasas are aimed at this only; also there are some wonderful techniques based on Navamsa etc that helps us much in arrive at approximate age at which the demise could happen. Further even the Vimsottari dasa itself -with the longevity houses (8-3) houses and maraka houses (2-7) involvement - coupled with the use of Transits can point to the possible period of death; even though not exact. > >>Therefore it would be wrong to say -//when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies.//> >>May be we can try that too with some blind quizes - but with less expectation of accuracy and correctness - since the astrologers here are yet to look closely into this area of predication and gain expertise on this. > >>Love and regards,> >>Sreenadh> >>> >>> >>ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R ash.rsh55@ .> wrote:> >>>> >>> HI All,> >>> It is wonderful how so many of our friends on the forum "hit the bull's eye" with the "blind quiz." The clues and combinations were so well interpreted. ......I am lost in admiration. But I find, some times what happens is, when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies. The only explanation is "Old age". I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the "approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples"???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts???> >>> Regards, > >>> Anita> >>> >>> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted October 23, 2009 Dear Manoj ji,yes,point taken positively.Love and regards,gopi. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Gopi Ji,> > Sorry for my mistype. I meant to say "Those who predicted the accident correctly, failed to see his miraculous escape". Any way I was just meaning to say that ultimately God owns every one and every thing and we are mere astrologers.> > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ________________________________> gopalakrishna gopi_b927 > Thu, October 22, 2009 10:04:43 AM> Re: A blind chart> > > Dear Manoj ji,> i am sorry.Though i failed i said there is an element of SURPRISE in capitals even for himself and also said ofcourse later that YK sat saved him.....i ALSO AGREED THAT i failed (to see the accident).> Love and regards,> gopi.> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Anita Ji,> > > > You said members scored bulls eye. Not so. Every one missed the fact that he was completely unhurt from the accident, not even a scratch. Even more, even now we cannot figure out astrologically how that happened. So, it seems like always, the Almightly has the last say and the last laugh.> > > > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Anita R ash.rsh55@ .> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thu, October 22, 2009 7:00:18 AM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: A blind chart> > > > > > well said. But as I said in my reply to sreenadh ji, this holds good if the birth time is correctly recorded in the first case , which was not always true in the good old days. )> > Lots of love,> > Anita> > > > --- On Thu, 22/10/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com> wrote:> > > > > > >neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ gmail.com>> > >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: A blind chart> > >ancient_indian_ astrology> > >Thursday, 22 October, 2009, 6:55 AM> > >> > >> > > > > >Dear Anita ji,> > >> > >From birth to death, whatever happens with us must be present in the horoscope. Nothing can come to pass beyond one's horoscope.> > >This is what our sages and gurus have said. > > >But we are hardly equipped to see the approaching event with any clarity!> > >> > >Regards> > >Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > >2009/10/22 sreesog sreesog >> > >> > >Dear Anita ji, > > >>//I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the "approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples"???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts???/ /> > >>All the Ayur Dasas are aimed at this only; also there are some wonderful techniques based on Navamsa etc that helps us much in arrive at approximate age at which the demise could happen. Further even the Vimsottari dasa itself -with the longevity houses (8-3) houses and maraka houses (2-7) involvement - coupled with the use of Transits can point to the possible period of death; even though not exact. > > >>Therefore it would be wrong to say -//when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies.//> > >>May be we can try that too with some blind quizes - but with less expectation of accuracy and correctness - since the astrologers here are yet to look closely into this area of predication and gain expertise on this. > > >>Love and regards,> > >>Sreenadh> > >>> > >>> > >>ancient_indian_ astrology, Anita R ash.rsh55@ .> wrote:> > >>>> > >>> HI All,> > >>> It is wonderful how so many of our friends on the forum "hit the bull's eye" with the "blind quiz." The clues and combinations were so well interpreted. ......I am lost in admiration. But I find, some times what happens is, when a person dies, there is nothing in her or his horoscope - no dasa of the 12 th lord/ maraka lord/ , no antar bhukthi of any maraka lord, but still the person dies. The only explanation is "Old age". I wonder why the horoscope does not give any indication of the "approaching date / time of their departure to the heavenly fields of our father's kingdom in the land of many temples"???? - if I may use the tibetan language of expressing my thoughts???> > >>> Regards, > > >>> Anita> > >>> > >>> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Keep up with people you care about with India Mail. Learn how.> >> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
