Birth Time Rectification Test

September 12, 2006

The baby starts to live on its own with it first Prana. Hence the cry when the air enter the lungs.tw853 <tw853 wrote: Dear Shri Raichur,That is the time Shri M.P. Shanmugam said in his Astrosecrets & KP, Part 1, page 289 as below."Birth chart is also importance, but it should have been calculated to the correct birth time, of the child. Some deliveries are painful or complicated and so on. Whatever they may be the time, the head of the child is observed, it is enough to be taken

as bith time- because the oxygen enters through nose, and immediately the heart beat starts. At that very time, the dasa/bhukti starts operating."Regards,tw , Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar> My daughter-in-law works in a Nursing Home. She says that they record the time when the head of the child comes out, as the birth time, and not the time it cries.> Members who know the Maternity Homes, may enquire and find the practice in vouge> > > Dharmendra Bhaskar <kdbhaskar7 wrote:> DEAR MEMBERS!> > The moment at when a child breaths first is the actual> time should be taken as astrological birth time.> Medical science may take any other parameter for this,> but we know when a newly born baby starts

breathing> first time, means he or she have started leading life> independently. Here cutting placenta is also not be> used for the purpose because it could remain attached> for hours unless someone not removes/cut this.> > A child can survive with attached placenta with its> mother, but late in cry (i.e. used to compell the chid> for its lung to start functioningproperly) may be> fatal. > > D K Bhaskar> > 60,Amrit Nagar, South Ext. I> New Delhi> Mob.: 9910048040> > --- Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:> > > Dear Punit,> > For this,first, all members of> > the group should agree upon a common definition of> > what is the exact TOB...the time of the first> > cry,(as per K.P.), or, the time when the head is> > first seen,or, when the child is delivered and it>

> touches the ground(or table),or.... what ?> > Only then a fruitful discussion is> > possible...> > Else,in the middle of a discussion> > the very definition is likely to become> > debatable...afresh...!> > What does the group think ?> > L.Y.Rao.> > > > > > Punit Pandey <punitp wrote:> > Dear Friends,> > > > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an> > exercise on some known birth time? For example, I'll> > request to rectify birth time of a person for whom I> > already know the correct time. Do you think such> > kind of exercise is practical? Or is there any other> > way of testing RBT? Let us see what will be the> > outcome of this exercise. > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> > >

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September 16, 2006

Dear Satish ji, Please check time 22.49.23 for indira gandhi. is it tally with Navmansha rules? regards kanak BosmiaR Satish <rsatish1942 wrote: Dear TW,I have done this for Late Smt Indira Gandhi 19-11-1917 23hrs 10 min, Allahabad(81-51E, 25-27N).For 23-11 pm as per JH hora software which follows Lahiri, the Lagna came to 20-30-02, which comes to Makara Navamsa( 20deg- 23deg-20min).since it is even Navamsa,tha

lagna should be below 20-30, by minor manipulation, the lagna as brought below 20deg 16min 40 sec.hence the dwadasamsa still remains in Makara, representing a female sign.Hence this gives a minor correction to 20 deg 9min 55 sec.Please note this is per Lahiris and Jhora.softwareand my understandingOnce you change the ayanamsa,and or coordinates the values will undergo minor changes.If this is acceptable to you, then Tony Blair's horoscope an be seen.Please be advised I am not neither in competition nor dispute with anyone in the group.Please accept this for what is worth.Regards,Satish-- In , "tw853" <tw853 wrote:>> Dear Punit ji,> > Below are birth times of Indira Gandhi and Tony Blair whose arising > to power is not tallied with dasa timing by KP Rules.>

> Regards,> > tw> > > > I--INDIRA GANDHI> > TOBs> > (1) around 11 PM IST, Biography by (a) Katherine Frank; (b) Pranay> Gupte> > (2) 11:03 PM IST, Sanjay Rath: Crux of Vedic Astrology, p 49 & 344> > (3) 11:07 PM IST, PVR Narasimha Rao, "Predicting with Dasamsa",> Astrological Magazine, Jan 2003, p 87> > (4) 11:10 PM IST> http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/artofprediction4.asp> > (5) 11:11 PM IST> (a) K. N. Rao: Nehru Dinesty,p 106> (b) K. N. Rao: Timing Events Through Vimshottari Dasha, p 95> © K. N. Rao: Journal of Astrlogy,> http://www.journalofastrology.com/archives/Gandhi_Family.htm> (d)

• SJC, BirthDataBank2.zip Famous Birth Charts> Ver 2.0> (e) Chandulal S. Patel: Predicting Through Navamsa & Nadi> Astrology, p 112> (f) J. N. Bhasin: Art of Prediction p 256> (g) Col A. K. Gour: The Celestial Delivery Boy, Transt, p 50> (h) http://www.khaldea.com/charts/indiragandhi.shtml> (i) http://astrolreport.com/famous-g/gandhi.indira.htm> (j) AstroDatabank, rated A from memory> (k) Robert Jansky quotes her private secretary, "41 Ghatis 52 Phals> and 23 Viphas = 11:11:14 PM IST"> > (6) 11:15 PM> (a) Sumeet Chugh: Determing Profession and Ups & Downs in Career,> p 94;> (b) M.N. Kedar: Judgement of Bhavas & Timing of Eventd through Dasa> and Transit, p 10> >

(7) 11:20 PM IST by Hart de Fouw & Robert Svoboda, Light on Life, p> 365> > (8) 11:39 PM IST by BV Raman in Astrological Magazine> > (9) 23:40:48 PM IST by Kousalya Sattainathan: KP's ASTROLOGY & PRIME> MINISTERS, Krishnamurti Publications, p 95> > > > > AS PER KPASTRO 2.1> > Indira Gandhi, 19-11-1917, Mo, "11:11" PM IST (+5:30), Allahabad,> 81E52, 25N25, Sid Time 3:01:10, NKPA 22:37:14, Sun dasa balance> 1y:11m:9d> > > > Plt Longitude Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl—--H-House Significators> Sun 04Sc13:09 Mar-Sat-Sat-Ven-- 4 (12,4,7,8,2)> Moo 05CP40:56 Sat-Sun-Mer-Ven-- 6 (4,6,2,1)> Mar 16Le28:08 Sun-Ven-Moo-Rah-- 1 (5,1,4,11,5,10)> Mer 13Sc19:24 Mar-Sat-Rah-Jup-- 4 (12,4,7,8,3,12)> JuR 15Ta05:45 Ven-Moo-Jup-Sun-- 10(6,10,1,6,9)> Ven 21Sg05:58 Jup-Ven-Jup-Ven-- 5

(5,5,4,11,4,11)> Sat 21Ca52:53 Moo-Mer-Snu-Sat—- 12(4,12,3,12,7,8)> Rah 10Sg39:34 Jup–Ket-Sat-Moo-- 5 (11,5)> Ket 10Ge39:34 Mer-Rah-Sat-Sat-- 11(5,11)> Ura 27Ca20:49 Sta-Mar-Jup-Sun-- 6> NeR 14Ca27:44 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven-- 12> PlR 12Ge33:11 Mer-Rah-Sat-Jup-- 11> For 28Vi56:05 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven-- 3> > H Longitude Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl---Planet Significators> 1. 27Ca28:19 Moo-Mer-Jup-Moo—-Ma,Ju,Mo> 2. 23Le18:59 Sun–Ven-Sat-Mar—-Mo,Su> 3. 22Vi55:41 Mer-Moo-Sun-Jup—-Sa,Me> 4. 25Li08:18 Ven-Jup-Mer-Rah--Mo,Sa,Su,Me,Ma,Ve,Ve> 5. 27Sc26:28 Mar-Mer-Jup-Moo--Ma,Ve,Ke,Ve,Ra,Ma> 6. 28Sg17:11 Jup-Sun-Moo-Ven—-Ju,Mo,Ju> 7. 27Ca28:19 Sat–Mar-Jup-Moo--Su,Me,Sa> 8. 23Aq18:59 Sat–Jup-Sat-Rah--Su,Me,Sa> 9. 22Pi55:41 Jup–Mer-Moo-Mer--Ju> 10.25Ar08:18

Mar-Ven-Mer-Rah--Ju,Ma> 11.27Ta26:28 Ven-Mar-Jup-Moo—-Ra,Ke,Ma,Ve,Ve> 12.28Ge17:11 Mer-Jup-Ven-Sat—-Su,Me,Sa,Sa,Me> > TIMELINE> 28-02-36 (Mar/Sun/Mer/Rah) mother's death> 26-03-42 (Rah/Sat/Sat/Mar) married> 20-08-44 (Rah/ Sat/Jup/Ven) son Rajiv born> 14-12-46 (Ra/Mer/Sat/Sat) son Sanjay born> 08-09-60 (Jup/Mer/Mar/Sat) husband's death> 27-05-64 (Jup/Ven/Jup/Rah) father's death> 24-01-66 (Jup/Sun/Ven/Sun) sworn in as PM> 13-03-67 (Jup/Moo/Ket/Mer) sworn in as PM> 18-03-71 (Sat/Sa/Sat/Rah) sworn in as PM> 22-03-77 (Sat/Ket/Jup/Mer) lost general election & PM> 14-01-80 (Sat/Ven/Sat/Mar) sworn in as PM> 23-06-80 (Sat/Ven/Mer//Rah) Sanjay's death> 31-10-84 (Sat/Rah/Rah/Moo) assassinated> > > > > II—TONY BLAIR> > TOB 6:10 AM

DST is rated AA, Quoted BC/BR by AstrodataBank, and> discussed in AstroDatabank forum> http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618> > AS PER KPASTRO 2.1> > Tony Blair, May 6, 1953, We, 6:10 AM DST (+0:00), 5:10 AM GMT,> Edinburgh, Scotland, 3W13, 55N57, Sid Time 19:52:12, NKPA 23:06:56,> Moon dasa balance 3y:8m:18d> > Planet Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl-H---House Significators> Sun 22 Ar 15 34 Mar-Ven-Sat-Mer 12—-12,12,1> Moo 18 Cp 22 43 Sat-Moo-Mer—Ven 10—-10,10,4,5,4,5> Mar 10 Ta 20 25 Ven-Moo-Moo-Jup 12--10,1,4,5,7> Mer 03 Ar 16 24 Mar-Ket-Sun-Jup 12--4,12,2,3,6> Jup 06 Ta 05 10 Ven-Sun-Mer-Mar 12—-12,12,8,9,12> Ven 21 Pi 54 29 Jup-Mer-Sun-Sat 12--12,12,2,3,6,1> S-R 29 Vi 13 57

Mer-Mar-Sat-Moo 6--1,6,7,10,11> Rah 14 Cp 19 59 Sat-Moo-Jup-Sat 10--10,10,4,5> Ket 14 Cn 19 59 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven 4--6,4,10,11> For 07 Aq 50 41 Sat-Rah-Rah-Ket 11> Ura 22 Ge 10 02 Mer-Jup-Sat-Mer 3> N-R 28 Vi 47 08 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven 6> Plu 27 Cn 41 05 Moo-Mer-Jup-Rah 5> > Cusps Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl--Planet Significators> 1. 11 Ta 43 32 Ven-Moo-Mar-Ven--Sa,Ma,Su,Ve> 2. 01 Ge 51 20 Mer-Mar-Mer-Sat--Ve,Me> 3. 17 Ge 03 15 Mer-Rah-Ven-Mer--Ve,Me> 4. 02 Cn 56 07 Moo-Jup-Rah-Ven--Me,Ke,Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo> 5. 24 Cn 20 58 Moo-Mer-Rah-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo> 6. 03 Vi 10 15 Mer-Sun-Sat-Sat--Ke,Sa,Ve,Me> 7. 11 Sc 43 32 Mar-Sat-Moo-Mer--Sa,Ma> 8. 01 Sa 51 20 Jup-Ket-Ven-Rah--Ju> 9. 17 Sa 03 15 Jup-Ven-Moo-Ket--Ju> 10.02 Cp 56 07

Sat-Sun-Jup-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo,Ra,Ke,Sa> 11.24 Cp 20 58 Sat-Mar-Rah-Rah--Ke,Sa> 12.03 Pi 10 15 Jup-Jup-Rah-Moo--Su,Ju,Ve,Su,Me,Ju,Ve,Ju> > > TIMELINE> > 29-03-1980 (Rah/Moo/Sat/Ven) marriage> 19-01-1984 (Jup/Jup/Rah/Mer) son Euan born> 06-12-1985 (Jup/Sat/Mar/Mer) son Nicky born> 02-03-1988 (Jup/Mer/Rah/Mer) daughter Kathryn born> 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM> 20-05-2000 (Sat/Sat/Rah/Sat) youngest son Leo born> 07-06-2001 (Sat/Mer/Mer/Sat) won general election & reelcted for PM> 19-10-2003 (Sat/Ket/Ket/Ket) hospitalised for irregular heartbeat> 01-10-2004 (Sat/Ket/Mer/Ven) hospitalised for heart flutter; at the> same time announced the purchase of a house for 3.5 mln pound> 05-05-2005 (Sa/Ve/Ve/Me) won general election & reelcted for PM> > >

> > , "Punit Pandey" <punitp@> wrote:> >> > Dear Friends,> > > > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some > known birth> > time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a person > for whom I> > already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of exercise > is> > practical? Or is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us see > what will be> > the outcome of this exercise.> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > Punit Pandey> >>>> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying <<

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September 18, 2006

Daer Kanakhbhai,

I have used JHora for preparing the chart. The Lagna is Cancer

15deg-48min-05sec.

The Navamsa Lagna is Scorpio(vrischika).which is between 13-20 to 16-

40. Hence in this sign elapsed deg is 2-28-05. If we split the sign

into 12 units(for the 12 signs) units of 16min 40 sec, we get for the

elapsed deg of 2-28-05 in the 9th Navamsa ie Cancer,which is an even

sign,confirms it is a female.The cancer sign for the dwadasamsa is

between 2-13-20 to 2-30-0.(see table).

Please note if a different software is used, the Lagna degrees

will vary.The principle remains the same.

For easy reference I have prepared a ready reckoner.

1st sign 0-00-00 to 0-16min-40 sec

2nd sign 0-16-40 - 0-33-20

3rd sign 0-33-20 0-50-00

4th- 0-50-00 - 1-06-40

5th 1-06-40 1-23-20

6th 1-23-20 1-40-00

7th 1-40-00 1-56-40

8th 1-56-40 2-13-20

9th 2-13-20 2-30-00

10th 2-30-00 2-46-40

11th 2-46-40 3-03-20

12th 3-03-20 3-20-00.

Regards,

Satish

-- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia

wrote:

>

> Dear Satish ji,

> Please check time 22.49.23 for indira gandhi. is it tally with

Navmansha rules?

>

> regards

> kanak Bosmia

>

> R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote:

>

> Dear TW,

> I have done this for Late Smt Indira Gandhi 19-11-1917

> 23hrs 10 min, Allahabad(81-51E, 25-27N).

>

> For 23-11 pm as per JH hora software which follows Lahiri, the

> Lagna came to 20-30-02, which comes to Makara Navamsa( 20deg- 23deg-

> 20min).since it is even Navamsa,tha lagna should be below 20-30, by

> minor manipulation, the lagna as brought below 20deg 16min 40 sec.

> hence the dwadasamsa still remains in Makara, representing a female

> sign.Hence this gives a minor correction to 20 deg 9min 55 sec.

>

> Please note this is per Lahiris and Jhora.softwareand my

> understanding

>

> Once you change the ayanamsa,and or coordinates the values will

> undergo minor changes.

>

> If this is acceptable to you, then Tony Blair's horoscope an be

> seen.

> Please be advised I am not neither in competition nor dispute

> with anyone in the group.Please accept this for what is worth.

>

> Regards,

>

> Satish

>

> -- In , " tw853 " <tw853@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Punit ji,

> >

> > Below are birth times of Indira Gandhi and Tony Blair whose

arising

> > to power is not tallied with dasa timing by KP Rules.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > tw

> >

> > I--INDIRA GANDHI

> >

> > TOBs

> >

> > (1) around 11 PM IST, Biography by (a) Katherine Frank; (b) Pranay

> > Gupte

> >

> > (2) 11:03 PM IST, Sanjay Rath: Crux of Vedic Astrology, p 49 & 344

> >

> > (3) 11:07 PM IST, PVR Narasimha Rao, " Predicting with Dasamsa " ,

> > Astrological Magazine, Jan 2003, p 87

> >

> > (4) 11:10 PM IST

> > http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/artofprediction4.asp

> >

> > (5) 11:11 PM IST

> > (a) K. N. Rao: Nehru Dinesty,p 106

> > (b) K. N. Rao: Timing Events Through Vimshottari Dasha, p 95

> > © K. N. Rao: Journal of Astrlogy,

> > http://www.journalofastrology.com/archives/Gandhi_Family.htm

> > (d) • SJC, BirthDataBank2.zip Famous Birth Charts

> > Ver 2.0

> > (e) Chandulal S. Patel: Predicting Through Navamsa & Nadi

> > Astrology, p 112

> > (f) J. N. Bhasin: Art of Prediction p 256

> > (g) Col A. K. Gour: The Celestial Delivery Boy, Transt, p 50

> > (h) http://www.khaldea.com/charts/indiragandhi.shtml

> > (i) http://astrolreport.com/famous-g/gandhi.indira.htm

> > (j) AstroDatabank, rated A from memory

> > (k) Robert Jansky quotes her private secretary, " 41 Ghatis 52

Phals

> > and 23 Viphas = 11:11:14 PM IST "

> >

> > (6) 11:15 PM

> > (a) Sumeet Chugh: Determing Profession and Ups & Downs in Career,

> > p 94;

> > (b) M.N. Kedar: Judgement of Bhavas & Timing of Eventd through

Dasa

> > and Transit, p 10

> >

> > (7) 11:20 PM IST by Hart de Fouw & Robert Svoboda, Light on Life,

p

> > 365

> >

> > (8) 11:39 PM IST by BV Raman in Astrological Magazine

> >

> > (9) 23:40:48 PM IST by Kousalya Sattainathan: KP's ASTROLOGY &

PRIME

> > MINISTERS, Krishnamurti Publications, p 95

> >

> > AS PER KPASTRO 2.1

> >

> > Indira Gandhi, 19-11-1917, Mo, " 11:11 " PM IST (+5:30), Allahabad,

> > 81E52, 25N25, Sid Time 3:01:10, NKPA 22:37:14, Sun dasa balance

> > 1y:11m:9d

> >

> > Plt Longitude Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl—--H-House Significators

> > Sun 04Sc13:09 Mar-Sat-Sat-Ven-- 4 (12,4,7,8,2)

> > Moo 05CP40:56 Sat-Sun-Mer-Ven-- 6 (4,6,2,1)

> > Mar 16Le28:08 Sun-Ven-Moo-Rah-- 1 (5,1,4,11,5,10)

> > Mer 13Sc19:24 Mar-Sat-Rah-Jup-- 4 (12,4,7,8,3,12)

> > JuR 15Ta05:45 Ven-Moo-Jup-Sun-- 10(6,10,1,6,9)

> > Ven 21Sg05:58 Jup-Ven-Jup-Ven-- 5 (5,5,4,11,4,11)

> > Sat 21Ca52:53 Moo-Mer-Snu-Sat—- 12(4,12,3,12,7,8)

> > Rah 10Sg39:34 Jup–Ket-Sat-Moo-- 5 (11,5)

> > Ket 10Ge39:34 Mer-Rah-Sat-Sat-- 11(5,11)

> > Ura 27Ca20:49 Sta-Mar-Jup-Sun-- 6

> > NeR 14Ca27:44 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven-- 12

> > PlR 12Ge33:11 Mer-Rah-Sat-Jup-- 11

> > For 28Vi56:05 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven-- 3

> >

> > H Longitude Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl---Planet Significators

> > 1. 27Ca28:19 Moo-Mer-Jup-Moo—-Ma,Ju,Mo

> > 2. 23Le18:59 Sun–Ven-Sat-Mar—-Mo,Su

> > 3. 22Vi55:41 Mer-Moo-Sun-Jup—-Sa,Me

> > 4. 25Li08:18 Ven-Jup-Mer-Rah--Mo,Sa,Su,Me,Ma,Ve,Ve

> > 5. 27Sc26:28 Mar-Mer-Jup-Moo--Ma,Ve,Ke,Ve,Ra,Ma

> > 6. 28Sg17:11 Jup-Sun-Moo-Ven—-Ju,Mo,Ju

> > 7. 27Ca28:19 Sat–Mar-Jup-Moo--Su,Me,Sa

> > 8. 23Aq18:59 Sat–Jup-Sat-Rah--Su,Me,Sa

> > 9. 22Pi55:41 Jup–Mer-Moo-Mer--Ju

> > 10.25Ar08:18 Mar-Ven-Mer-Rah--Ju,Ma

> > 11.27Ta26:28 Ven-Mar-Jup-Moo—-Ra,Ke,Ma,Ve,Ve

> > 12.28Ge17:11 Mer-Jup-Ven-Sat—-Su,Me,Sa,Sa,Me

> >

> > TIMELINE

> > 28-02-36 (Mar/Sun/Mer/Rah) mother's death

> > 26-03-42 (Rah/Sat/Sat/Mar) married

> > 20-08-44 (Rah/ Sat/Jup/Ven) son Rajiv born

> > 14-12-46 (Ra/Mer/Sat/Sat) son Sanjay born

> > 08-09-60 (Jup/Mer/Mar/Sat) husband's death

> > 27-05-64 (Jup/Ven/Jup/Rah) father's death

> > 24-01-66 (Jup/Sun/Ven/Sun) sworn in as PM

> > 13-03-67 (Jup/Moo/Ket/Mer) sworn in as PM

> > 18-03-71 (Sat/Sa/Sat/Rah) sworn in as PM

> > 22-03-77 (Sat/Ket/Jup/Mer) lost general election & PM

> > 14-01-80 (Sat/Ven/Sat/Mar) sworn in as PM

> > 23-06-80 (Sat/Ven/Mer//Rah) Sanjay's death

> > 31-10-84 (Sat/Rah/Rah/Moo) assassinated

> >

> > II—TONY BLAIR

> >

> > TOB 6:10 AM DST is rated AA, Quoted BC/BR by AstrodataBank, and

> > discussed in AstroDatabank forum

> > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618

> >

> > AS PER KPASTRO 2.1

> >

> > Tony Blair, May 6, 1953, We, 6:10 AM DST (+0:00), 5:10 AM GMT,

> > Edinburgh, Scotland, 3W13, 55N57, Sid Time 19:52:12, NKPA

23:06:56,

> > Moon dasa balance 3y:8m:18d

> >

> > Planet Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl-H---House Significators

> > Sun 22 Ar 15 34 Mar-Ven-Sat-Mer 12—-12,12,1

> > Moo 18 Cp 22 43 Sat-Moo-Mer—Ven 10—-10,10,4,5,4,5

> > Mar 10 Ta 20 25 Ven-Moo-Moo-Jup 12--10,1,4,5,7

> > Mer 03 Ar 16 24 Mar-Ket-Sun-Jup 12--4,12,2,3,6

> > Jup 06 Ta 05 10 Ven-Sun-Mer-Mar 12—-12,12,8,9,12

> > Ven 21 Pi 54 29 Jup-Mer-Sun-Sat 12--12,12,2,3,6,1

> > S-R 29 Vi 13 57 Mer-Mar-Sat-Moo 6--1,6,7,10,11

> > Rah 14 Cp 19 59 Sat-Moo-Jup-Sat 10--10,10,4,5

> > Ket 14 Cn 19 59 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven 4--6,4,10,11

> > For 07 Aq 50 41 Sat-Rah-Rah-Ket 11

> > Ura 22 Ge 10 02 Mer-Jup-Sat-Mer 3

> > N-R 28 Vi 47 08 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven 6

> > Plu 27 Cn 41 05 Moo-Mer-Jup-Rah 5

> >

> > Cusps Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl--Planet Significators

> > 1. 11 Ta 43 32 Ven-Moo-Mar-Ven--Sa,Ma,Su,Ve

> > 2. 01 Ge 51 20 Mer-Mar-Mer-Sat--Ve,Me

> > 3. 17 Ge 03 15 Mer-Rah-Ven-Mer--Ve,Me

> > 4. 02 Cn 56 07 Moo-Jup-Rah-Ven--Me,Ke,Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo

> > 5. 24 Cn 20 58 Moo-Mer-Rah-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo

> > 6. 03 Vi 10 15 Mer-Sun-Sat-Sat--Ke,Sa,Ve,Me

> > 7. 11 Sc 43 32 Mar-Sat-Moo-Mer--Sa,Ma

> > 8. 01 Sa 51 20 Jup-Ket-Ven-Rah--Ju

> > 9. 17 Sa 03 15 Jup-Ven-Moo-Ket--Ju

> > 10.02 Cp 56 07 Sat-Sun-Jup-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo,Ra,Ke,Sa

> > 11.24 Cp 20 58 Sat-Mar-Rah-Rah--Ke,Sa

> > 12.03 Pi 10 15 Jup-Jup-Rah-Moo--Su,Ju,Ve,Su,Me,Ju,Ve,Ju

> >

> > TIMELINE

> >

> > 29-03-1980 (Rah/Moo/Sat/Ven) marriage

> > 19-01-1984 (Jup/Jup/Rah/Mer) son Euan born

> > 06-12-1985 (Jup/Sat/Mar/Mer) son Nicky born

> > 02-03-1988 (Jup/Mer/Rah/Mer) daughter Kathryn born

> > 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM

> > 20-05-2000 (Sat/Sat/Rah/Sat) youngest son Leo born

> > 07-06-2001 (Sat/Mer/Mer/Sat) won general election & reelcted for

PM

> > 19-10-2003 (Sat/Ket/Ket/Ket) hospitalised for irregular heartbeat

> > 01-10-2004 (Sat/Ket/Mer/Ven) hospitalised for heart flutter; at

the

> > same time announced the purchase of a house for 3.5 mln pound

> > 05-05-2005 (Sa/Ve/Ve/Me) won general election & reelcted for PM

> >

> > , " Punit Pandey " <punitp@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Friends,

> > >

> > > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some

> > known birth

> > > time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a

person

> > for whom I

> > > already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of

exercise

> > is

> > > practical? Or is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us see

> > what will be

> > > the outcome of this exercise.

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > >

> > > Punit Pandey

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September 18, 2006

Dear Satish ji, Now I understand this theory clearly. If we rectified by RP and finetune by this method then nothing wrong, we have to check this too.we have no fullproof method for rectifiction so if we use one for rectification and other 1 or 2 for finetuning it is more usefull. I will check my old rectifiction work with this method and if i have any doubt i will write you. regards kanak BosmiaR Satish <rsatish1942 wrote: Daer Kanakhbhai,I have used JHora for preparing the chart. The Lagna is Cancer 15deg-48min-05sec.The Navamsa Lagna is Scorpio(vrischika).which is between 13-20 to 16-40. Hence in this sign elapsed deg is 2-28-05. If we split the sign into 12 units(for the 12 signs) units of 16min 40 sec, we get for the elapsed deg of 2-28-05 in the 9th Navamsa ie Cancer,which is an even sign,confirms it is a female.The cancer sign for the dwadasamsa is between 2-13-20 to 2-30-0.(see table).Please note if a different software is used, the Lagna degrees will vary.The principle remains the same.For easy reference I have prepared a ready reckoner.1st sign 0-00-00 to 0-16min-40 sec 2nd sign 0-16-40 - 0-33-203rd sign 0-33-20 0-50-004th- 0-50-00 - 1-06-405th 1-06-40 1-23-206th 1-23-20 1-40-007th 1-40-00

1-56-408th 1-56-40 2-13-209th 2-13-20 2-30-0010th 2-30-00 2-46-4011th 2-46-40 3-03-2012th 3-03-20 3-20-00.Regards,Satish -- In , Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote:>> Dear Satish ji,> Please check time 22.49.23 for indira gandhi. is it tally with Navmansha rules?> > regards> kanak Bosmia> > R Satish <rsatish1942 wrote:> > > Dear TW,> I have done this for Late Smt Indira Gandhi 19-11-1917 > 23hrs 10 min, Allahabad(81-51E, 25-27N).> > For 23-11 pm as per JH hora software which follows Lahiri, the > Lagna came to 20-30-02, which comes to Makara Navamsa( 20deg- 23deg-> 20min).since it is even Navamsa,tha lagna should be below 20-30, by > minor manipulation, the lagna as

brought below 20deg 16min 40 sec.> hence the dwadasamsa still remains in Makara, representing a female > sign.Hence this gives a minor correction to 20 deg 9min 55 sec.> > Please note this is per Lahiris and Jhora.softwareand my > understanding> > Once you change the ayanamsa,and or coordinates the values will > undergo minor changes.> > If this is acceptable to you, then Tony Blair's horoscope an be > seen.> Please be advised I am not neither in competition nor dispute > with anyone in the group.Please accept this for what is worth.> > Regards,> > Satish> > -- In , "tw853" <tw853@> wrote:> >> > Dear Punit ji,> > > > Below are birth times of Indira Gandhi and Tony Blair whose arising > > to power is not

tallied with dasa timing by KP Rules.> > > > Regards,> > > > tw> > > > > > > > I--INDIRA GANDHI> > > > TOBs> > > > (1) around 11 PM IST, Biography by (a) Katherine Frank; (b) Pranay> > Gupte> > > > (2) 11:03 PM IST, Sanjay Rath: Crux of Vedic Astrology, p 49 & 344> > > > (3) 11:07 PM IST, PVR Narasimha Rao, "Predicting with Dasamsa",> > Astrological Magazine, Jan 2003, p 87> > > > (4) 11:10 PM IST> > http://www.indianastrology.com/learn/artofprediction4.asp> > > > (5) 11:11 PM IST> > (a) K. N. Rao: Nehru Dinesty,p 106> > (b) K. N. Rao: Timing Events Through Vimshottari Dasha, p 95> > © K. N. Rao: Journal of Astrlogy,>

> http://www.journalofastrology.com/archives/Gandhi_Family.htm> > (d) • SJC, BirthDataBank2.zip Famous Birth Charts> > Ver 2.0> > (e) Chandulal S. Patel: Predicting Through Navamsa & Nadi> > Astrology, p 112> > (f) J. N. Bhasin: Art of Prediction p 256> > (g) Col A. K. Gour: The Celestial Delivery Boy, Transt, p 50> > (h) http://www.khaldea.com/charts/indiragandhi.shtml> > (i) http://astrolreport.com/famous-g/gandhi.indira.htm> > (j) AstroDatabank, rated A from memory> > (k) Robert Jansky quotes her private secretary, "41 Ghatis 52 Phals> > and 23 Viphas = 11:11:14 PM IST"> >

> > (6) 11:15 PM> > (a) Sumeet Chugh: Determing Profession and Ups & Downs in Career,> > p 94;> > (b) M.N. Kedar: Judgement of Bhavas & Timing of Eventd through Dasa> > and Transit, p 10> > > > (7) 11:20 PM IST by Hart de Fouw & Robert Svoboda, Light on Life, p> > 365> > > > (8) 11:39 PM IST by BV Raman in Astrological Magazine> > > > (9) 23:40:48 PM IST by Kousalya Sattainathan: KP's ASTROLOGY & PRIME> > MINISTERS, Krishnamurti Publications, p 95> > > > > > > > > > AS PER KPASTRO 2.1> > > > Indira Gandhi, 19-11-1917, Mo, "11:11" PM IST (+5:30), Allahabad,> > 81E52, 25N25, Sid Time 3:01:10, NKPA 22:37:14, Sun dasa balance> > 1y:11m:9d> > > > > > > > Plt Longitude Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl—--H-House

Significators> > Sun 04Sc13:09 Mar-Sat-Sat-Ven-- 4 (12,4,7,8,2)> > Moo 05CP40:56 Sat-Sun-Mer-Ven-- 6 (4,6,2,1)> > Mar 16Le28:08 Sun-Ven-Moo-Rah-- 1 (5,1,4,11,5,10)> > Mer 13Sc19:24 Mar-Sat-Rah-Jup-- 4 (12,4,7,8,3,12)> > JuR 15Ta05:45 Ven-Moo-Jup-Sun-- 10(6,10,1,6,9)> > Ven 21Sg05:58 Jup-Ven-Jup-Ven-- 5 (5,5,4,11,4,11)> > Sat 21Ca52:53 Moo-Mer-Snu-Sat—- 12(4,12,3,12,7,8)> > Rah 10Sg39:34 Jup–Ket-Sat-Moo-- 5 (11,5)> > Ket 10Ge39:34 Mer-Rah-Sat-Sat-- 11(5,11)> > Ura 27Ca20:49 Sta-Mar-Jup-Sun-- 6> > NeR 14Ca27:44 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven-- 12> > PlR 12Ge33:11 Mer-Rah-Sat-Jup-- 11> > For 28Vi56:05 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven-- 3> > > > H Longitude Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl---Planet Significators> > 1. 27Ca28:19 Moo-Mer-Jup-Moo—-Ma,Ju,Mo> > 2.

23Le18:59 Sun–Ven-Sat-Mar—-Mo,Su> > 3. 22Vi55:41 Mer-Moo-Sun-Jup—-Sa,Me> > 4. 25Li08:18 Ven-Jup-Mer-Rah--Mo,Sa,Su,Me,Ma,Ve,Ve> > 5. 27Sc26:28 Mar-Mer-Jup-Moo--Ma,Ve,Ke,Ve,Ra,Ma> > 6. 28Sg17:11 Jup-Sun-Moo-Ven—-Ju,Mo,Ju> > 7. 27Ca28:19 Sat–Mar-Jup-Moo--Su,Me,Sa> > 8. 23Aq18:59 Sat–Jup-Sat-Rah--Su,Me,Sa> > 9. 22Pi55:41 Jup–Mer-Moo-Mer--Ju> > 10.25Ar08:18 Mar-Ven-Mer-Rah--Ju,Ma> > 11.27Ta26:28 Ven-Mar-Jup-Moo—-Ra,Ke,Ma,Ve,Ve> > 12.28Ge17:11 Mer-Jup-Ven-Sat—-Su,Me,Sa,Sa,Me> > > > TIMELINE> > 28-02-36 (Mar/Sun/Mer/Rah) mother's death> > 26-03-42 (Rah/Sat/Sat/Mar) married> > 20-08-44 (Rah/ Sat/Jup/Ven) son Rajiv born> > 14-12-46 (Ra/Mer/Sat/Sat) son Sanjay born> > 08-09-60 (Jup/Mer/Mar/Sat) husband's

death> > 27-05-64 (Jup/Ven/Jup/Rah) father's death> > 24-01-66 (Jup/Sun/Ven/Sun) sworn in as PM> > 13-03-67 (Jup/Moo/Ket/Mer) sworn in as PM> > 18-03-71 (Sat/Sa/Sat/Rah) sworn in as PM> > 22-03-77 (Sat/Ket/Jup/Mer) lost general election & PM> > 14-01-80 (Sat/Ven/Sat/Mar) sworn in as PM> > 23-06-80 (Sat/Ven/Mer//Rah) Sanjay's death> > 31-10-84 (Sat/Rah/Rah/Moo) assassinated> > > > > > > > > > II—TONY BLAIR> > > > TOB 6:10 AM DST is rated AA, Quoted BC/BR by AstrodataBank, and> > discussed in AstroDatabank forum> > http://www.astrodatabank.com/NM/FeedbackPRT.asp?ChartID=19618> > > > AS PER KPASTRO 2.1> > > > Tony Blair, May 6,

1953, We, 6:10 AM DST (+0:00), 5:10 AM GMT,> > Edinburgh, Scotland, 3W13, 55N57, Sid Time 19:52:12, NKPA 23:06:56,> > Moon dasa balance 3y:8m:18d> > > > Planet Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl-H---House Significators> > Sun 22 Ar 15 34 Mar-Ven-Sat-Mer 12—-12,12,1> > Moo 18 Cp 22 43 Sat-Moo-Mer—Ven 10—-10,10,4,5,4,5> > Mar 10 Ta 20 25 Ven-Moo-Moo-Jup 12--10,1,4,5,7> > Mer 03 Ar 16 24 Mar-Ket-Sun-Jup 12--4,12,2,3,6> > Jup 06 Ta 05 10 Ven-Sun-Mer-Mar 12—-12,12,8,9,12> > Ven 21 Pi 54 29 Jup-Mer-Sun-Sat 12--12,12,2,3,6,1> > S-R 29 Vi 13 57 Mer-Mar-Sat-Moo 6--1,6,7,10,11> > Rah 14 Cp 19 59 Sat-Moo-Jup-Sat 10--10,10,4,5> > Ket 14 Cn 19 59 Moo-Sat-Rah-Ven 4--6,4,10,11> > For 07 Aq 50 41 Sat-Rah-Rah-Ket 11> > Ura 22 Ge 10 02 Mer-Jup-Sat-Mer 3> >

N-R 28 Vi 47 08 Mer-Mar-Sat-Ven 6> > Plu 27 Cn 41 05 Moo-Mer-Jup-Rah 5> > > > Cusps Longitue Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl--Planet Significators> > 1. 11 Ta 43 32 Ven-Moo-Mar-Ven--Sa,Ma,Su,Ve> > 2. 01 Ge 51 20 Mer-Mar-Mer-Sat--Ve,Me> > 3. 17 Ge 03 15 Mer-Rah-Ven-Mer--Ve,Me> > 4. 02 Cn 56 07 Moo-Jup-Rah-Ven--Me,Ke,Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo> > 5. 24 Cn 20 58 Moo-Mer-Rah-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo> > 6. 03 Vi 10 15 Mer-Sun-Sat-Sat--Ke,Sa,Ve,Me> > 7. 11 Sc 43 32 Mar-Sat-Moo-Mer--Sa,Ma> > 8. 01 Sa 51 20 Jup-Ket-Ven-Rah--Ju> > 9. 17 Sa 03 15 Jup-Ven-Moo-Ket--Ju> > 10.02 Cp 56 07 Sat-Sun-Jup-Rah--Mo,Ma,Ra,Mo,Ra,Ke,Sa> > 11.24 Cp 20 58 Sat-Mar-Rah-Rah--Ke,Sa> > 12.03 Pi 10 15 Jup-Jup-Rah-Moo--Su,Ju,Ve,Su,Me,Ju,Ve,Ju> > > > > >

TIMELINE> > > > 29-03-1980 (Rah/Moo/Sat/Ven) marriage> > 19-01-1984 (Jup/Jup/Rah/Mer) son Euan born> > 06-12-1985 (Jup/Sat/Mar/Mer) son Nicky born> > 02-03-1988 (Jup/Mer/Rah/Mer) daughter Kathryn born> > 01-05-1997 (Jup/Rah/Ven/Mar) became PM> > 20-05-2000 (Sat/Sat/Rah/Sat) youngest son Leo born> > 07-06-2001 (Sat/Mer/Mer/Sat) won general election & reelcted for PM> > 19-10-2003 (Sat/Ket/Ket/Ket) hospitalised for irregular heartbeat> > 01-10-2004 (Sat/Ket/Mer/Ven) hospitalised for heart flutter; at the> > same time announced the purchase of a house for 3.5 mln pound> > 05-05-2005 (Sa/Ve/Ve/Me) won general election & reelcted for PM> > > > > > > > > > , "Punit

Pandey" <punitp@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friends,> > > > > > Do you think it would be a good idea to do an exercise on some > > known birth> > > time? For example, I'll request to rectify birth time of a person > > for whom I> > > already know the correct time. Do you think such kind of exercise > > is> > > practical? Or is there any other way of testing RBT? Let us see > > what will be> > > the outcome of this exercise.> > > > > > Thanks & Regards,> > > > > > Punit Pandey> > >> >> > > > > > > >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying <<> > > > Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make

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September 21, 2006

Dear members, I feel first cry of the baby is more appropriate and correct to consider as birth time because it indicates birth of a living body. Time of first seeing the baby, delivery of the baby and touching the ground - these two cases may happen in the case of dead baby also and hence these cases are not correct to be considered as time of birth. Good Luck K P Naidu

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September 22, 2006

Dear Members,

There has been a good deal of discussion on correct

birth time and I have also posted a couple of messages

on the subject earlier.I request members to consider

following points:

1.Even if there is a consesus on correct birth

time(crying/beathing/part/full delivery etc) among the

astrologers, do we have any control/say with regard to

recording of this time in hospitals ? The time is

recorded in the hospital as per their clocks (accuracy

of which is not known) and this recording is done as

per their procedures.Can we change these procedures

and prevail upon them to record a particular moment

which is agreed upon by astrologers ?The staff

attending on delivery is more concerned with the lives

of the mother and child than recording of the time.

Many a times there are complicated deliveries.

2.In view of the above, I feel that we should take the

recorded time as approximate time and verify it by

tallying timings of 3/4 important events in the life

of the native. If this tallys, the recorded time can

be taken as correct. If the life events do not tally

then we should proceed with rectification as per KP

principles.Regards, Hansraj.

--- " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote:

> Dear members,

>

> I feel first cry of the baby is more appropriate

> and correct to consider as birth time because it

> indicates birth of a living body. Time of first

> seeing the baby, delivery of the baby and touching

> the ground - these two cases may happen in the case

> of dead baby also and hence these cases are not

> correct to be considered as time of birth.

>

> Good Luck

>

> K P Naidu

>

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September 23, 2006

Dear Hansraj,Agreed we have no control over how actual birth time is recorded in hospitals/ nursing homes. So we should verify the time for each birth, by a reliable method.The time given in Hospital Recprds could be out by a few minutes, if there are no complications in Birth. These days in the states at least, the father is allowed to be present at delivery time, and notes the time. My nephew has thus noted the birth time of 2 of his children, himself, correct to the seconds, having taken care to synchronise his watch first. We cannot distrust such recorded times. Of course in India we depend on the nurse attendending the birth to note the time.So one has to research the correct Astrological Birth Time.Good luckhansraj vyas <hansraj_vyas wrote: Dear Members, There has been a good deal of discussion on correct birth time and I have also posted a couple of messages on the subject earlier.I request members to consider following points: 1.Even if there is a consesus on correct birth time(crying/beathing/part/full delivery etc) among the astrologers, do we have any control/say with regard to recording of this time in hospitals ? The time is recorded in the hospital as per their clocks (accuracy of which is not known) and this recording is done as per their procedures.Can we change these procedures and prevail upon them to record a particular moment which is agreed upon by astrologers

?The staff attending on delivery is more concerned with the lives of the mother and child than recording of the time. Many a times there are complicated deliveries. 2.In view of the above, I feel that we should take the recorded time as approximate time and verify it by tallying timings of 3/4 important events in the life of the native. If this tallys, the recorded time can be taken as correct. If the life events do not tally then we should proceed with rectification as per KP principles.Regards, Hansraj. --- "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: > Dear members, > > I feel first cry of the baby is more appropriate > and correct to consider as birth time because it > indicates birth of a living body. Time of first > seeing the baby, delivery of the baby and touching > the ground - these two cases may

happen in the case > of dead baby also and hence these cases are not > correct to be considered as time of birth. > > Good Luck > > K P Naidu > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - > Answers India > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from > Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Good LuckRaichur A RBombay Tel 2506 2609

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September 23, 2006

Resp.Shri Raichurji, Thanks for your reply. Hansraj.

--- Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

> Dear Hansraj,

> Agreed we have no control over how actual birth time

> is recorded in hospitals/ nursing homes. So we

> should verify the time for each birth, by a reliable

> method.

> The time given in Hospital Recprds could be out by a

> few minutes, if there are no complications in Birth.

> These days in the states at least, the father is

> allowed to be present at delivery time, and notes

> the time. My nephew has thus noted the birth time

> of 2 of his children, himself, correct to the

> seconds, having taken care to synchronise his watch

> first. We cannot distrust such recorded times.

>

> Of course in India we depend on the nurse

> attendending the birth to note the time.

>

> So one has to research the correct Astrological

> Birth Time.

>

> Good luck

>

> hansraj vyas <hansraj_vyas wrote:

> Dear Members,

> There has been a good deal of discussion on

> correct

> birth time and I have also posted a couple of

> messages

> on the subject earlier.I request members to

> consider

> following points:

> 1.Even if there is a consesus on correct birth

> time(crying/beathing/part/full delivery etc) among

> the

> astrologers, do we have any control/say with regard

> to

> recording of this time in hospitals ? The time is

> recorded in the hospital as per their clocks

> (accuracy

> of which is not known) and this recording is done

> as

> per their procedures.Can we change these procedures

> and prevail upon them to record a particular moment

> which is agreed upon by astrologers ?The staff

> attending on delivery is more concerned with the

> lives

> of the mother and child than recording of the time.

> Many a times there are complicated deliveries.

> 2.In view of the above, I feel that we should take

> the

> recorded time as approximate time and verify it by

> tallying timings of 3/4 important events in the

> life

> of the native. If this tallys, the recorded time

> can

> be taken as correct. If the life events do not

> tally

> then we should proceed with rectification as per KP

> principles.Regards, Hansraj.

>

> --- " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote:

>

> > Dear members,

> >

> > I feel first cry of the baby is more

> appropriate

> > and correct to consider as birth time because it

> > indicates birth of a living body. Time of first

> > seeing the baby, delivery of the baby and

> touching

> > the ground - these two cases may happen in the

> case

> > of dead baby also and hence these cases are not

> > correct to be considered as time of birth.

> >

> > Good Luck

> >

> > K P Naidu

> >

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>

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September 23, 2006

Alternatively V hav a way out:

Reward, in advance, the nurse or even a midwife, making the

clock/watch tallied with the correct time set. Ask her to note down

the time. Since U gave a reward well in advance she must note the

correct and actual time of birth.

Prof. KSK has given the actual time of birth as one when the baby

completely detaches mother's body. The first cry aspect is Medical

term one. If a dead baby is born, where is the need of a horoscope or

RTB(ractification of time of birth). if felt a need, an astrologer

can go in detailed analysis as why a still baby born, after all.

= insighter=

, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

>

> Dear Hansraj,

> Agreed we have no control over how actual birth time is recorded in

hospitals/ nursing homes. So we should verify the time for each

birth, by a reliable method.

> The time given in Hospital Recprds could be out by a few minutes,

if there are no complications in Birth. These days in the states at

least, the father is allowed to be present at delivery time, and

notes the time. My nephew has thus noted the birth time of 2 of his

children, himself, correct to the seconds, having taken care to

synchronise his watch first. We cannot distrust such recorded times.

>

> Of course in India we depend on the nurse attendending the birth to

note the time.

>

> So one has to research the correct Astrological Birth Time.

>

> Good luck

>

> hansraj vyas <hansraj_vyas

wrote: Dear Members,

> There has been a good deal of discussion on correct

> birth time and I have also posted a couple of messages

> on the subject earlier.I request members to consider

> following points:

> 1.Even if there is a consesus on correct birth

> time(crying/beathing/part/full delivery etc) among the

> astrologers, do we have any control/say with regard to

> recording of this time in hospitals ? The time is

> recorded in the hospital as per their clocks (accuracy

> of which is not known) and this recording is done as

> per their procedures.Can we change these procedures

> and prevail upon them to record a particular moment

> which is agreed upon by astrologers ?The staff

> attending on delivery is more concerned with the lives

> of the mother and child than recording of the time.

> Many a times there are complicated deliveries.

> 2.In view of the above, I feel that we should take the

> recorded time as approximate time and verify it by

> tallying timings of 3/4 important events in the life

> of the native. If this tallys, the recorded time can

> be taken as correct. If the life events do not tally

> then we should proceed with rectification as per KP

> principles.Regards, Hansraj.

>

> --- " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote:

>

> > Dear members,

> >

> > I feel first cry of the baby is more appropriate

> > and correct to consider as birth time because it

> > indicates birth of a living body. Time of first

> > seeing the baby, delivery of the baby and touching

> > the ground - these two cases may happen in the case

> > of dead baby also and hence these cases are not

> > correct to be considered as time of birth.

> >

> > Good Luck

> >

> > K P Naidu

> >

> > Find out what India is talking about on -

> > Answers India

> > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from

> > Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW

>

Good Luck

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>

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September 24, 2006

Dear Members,

I have been following his discussion for quite some time

now,and as per my experience since 1998,ever since I acquired the book,

Astrosecrets & K.P., by the late M.P.Shanmugham...I have been following his

considered and well-reasoned stand that the time of the

" first cry " ,is the correct TOB,because that is the exact moment of his first

breath,the time when his life begins...!

I have also earlier mentioned as follows,and I

reiterate :

It has also been observed,as per " Advanced Stellar

Astrology System(K.P.), " that if at the TOB,Sun,or Jup,or Venus is transitting

the star or sub of the IXth sub-lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the

minute...

Sun is atmakaraka,the chief significator of the soul

Jup is putrakaraka,chief significator for child-birth

Ven is kamakaraka,the chief significator for sex

pleasure.

It is recommended by me that this postulation can become

an ideal exercise for genuine researchers in K.P.,so that this 'controversy' can

be set to rest once,and for all...

All those doubtful of the postulations on the Exact

TOB,as discussed and postulated in Krishnamurthi Padhdhati,are requested to test

this out...first and only then, make appropriate comments please...( all

references to the older comments of Krishnamurthiji like " seeing of the head

etc... " ,should be disregarded,in view of his later research work by him and his

students and published).

What appears above is the present position in K.P.

With best wishes,

L.Y.Rao.

GOOD LUCK !

insighter_0101 <insighter_0101 wrote:

Alternatively V hav a way out:

Reward, in advance, the nurse or even a midwife, making the

clock/watch tallied with the correct time set. Ask her to note down

the time. Since U gave a reward well in advance she must note the

correct and actual time of birth.

Prof. KSK has given the actual time of birth as one when the baby

completely detaches mother's body. The first cry aspect is Medical

term one. If a dead baby is born, where is the need of a horoscope or

RTB(ractification of time of birth). if felt a need, an astrologer

can go in detailed analysis as why a still baby born, after all.

= insighter=

, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

>

> Dear Hansraj,

> Agreed we have no control over how actual birth time is recorded in

hospitals/ nursing homes. So we should verify the time for each

birth, by a reliable method.

> The time given in Hospital Recprds could be out by a few minutes,

if there are no complications in Birth. These days in the states at

least, the father is allowed to be present at delivery time, and

notes the time. My nephew has thus noted the birth time of 2 of his

children, himself, correct to the seconds, having taken care to

synchronise his watch first. We cannot distrust such recorded times.

>

> Of course in India we depend on the nurse attendending the birth to

note the time.

>

> So one has to research the correct Astrological Birth Time.

>

> Good luck

>

> hansraj vyas <hansraj_vyas

wrote: Dear Members,

> There has been a good deal of discussion on correct

> birth time and I have also posted a couple of messages

> on the subject earlier.I request members to consider

> following points:

> 1.Even if there is a consesus on correct birth

> time(crying/beathing/part/full delivery etc) among the

> astrologers, do we have any control/say with regard to

> recording of this time in hospitals ? The time is

> recorded in the hospital as per their clocks (accuracy

> of which is not known) and this recording is done as

> per their procedures.Can we change these procedures

> and prevail upon them to record a particular moment

> which is agreed upon by astrologers ?The staff

> attending on delivery is more concerned with the lives

> of the mother and child than recording of the time.

> Many a times there are complicated deliveries.

> 2.In view of the above, I feel that we should take the

> recorded time as approximate time and verify it by

> tallying timings of 3/4 important events in the life

> of the native. If this tallys, the recorded time can

> be taken as correct. If the life events do not tally

> then we should proceed with rectification as per KP

> principles.Regards, Hansraj.

>

> --- " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan wrote:

>

> > Dear members,

> >

> > I feel first cry of the baby is more appropriate

> > and correct to consider as birth time because it

> > indicates birth of a living body. Time of first

> > seeing the baby, delivery of the baby and touching

> > the ground - these two cases may happen in the case

> > of dead baby also and hence these cases are not

> > correct to be considered as time of birth.

> >

> > Good Luck

> >

> > K P Naidu

> >

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September 24, 2006

The argument put forward by sri Lajmi appeals to reason that is -the

first cry is the moment when born baby establishes its life at its

own. While I weigh it acceptable(Not yet accepted), V shold also

consider Prof.KSK's argument " when baby completely detaches its

mother's body " . The baby was & is alive even be4 first cry.Shri KSK

further signifies it by saying that the moment is as important as

this is moment when baby cames in atmosphere of the earth and

simultaneously receives combined beam of rays of all heavenly bodies

(planets)that casts unerrasable bond of horoscope.The duration beween

detachment & 1st cry is the period when the baby has aleady been

covered the beam of combined rays of all planets. isn't it?

I dont mean that 1st cry is regardless. What I want to stress upon

here is why sri KSK's version should be disregarded.

And to sum up, now, let us consider only 2 points:

1. Complete detachment, and

2. The d1st cry.

I shall eagerly wait for next round. Thns to Lajmiji & all others who

participated.

= insighter+

, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1

wrote:

>

> Dear Members,

> I have been following his discussion for

quite some time now,and as per my experience since 1998,ever since I

acquired the book,

> Astrosecrets & K.P., by the late M.P.Shanmugham...I have been

following his considered and well-reasoned stand that the time of the

> " first cry " ,is the correct TOB,because that is the exact moment

of his first breath,the time when his life begins...!

>

> I have also earlier mentioned as

follows,and I reiterate :

> It has also been observed,as per " Advanced

Stellar Astrology System(K.P.), " that if at the TOB,Sun,or Jup,or

Venus is transitting the star or sub of the IXth sub-lord,the

horoscope cast is correct,to the minute...

>

> Sun is atmakaraka,the chief significator of

the soul

> Jup is putrakaraka,chief significator for

child-birth

> Ven is kamakaraka,the chief significator for

sex pleasure.

>

> It is recommended by me that this

postulation can become an ideal exercise for genuine researchers in

K.P.,so that this 'controversy' can be set to rest once,and for all...

>

> All those doubtful of the postulations on

the Exact TOB,as discussed and postulated in Krishnamurthi

Padhdhati,are requested to test this out...first and only then, make

appropriate comments please...( all references to the older comments

of Krishnamurthiji like " seeing of the head etc... " ,should be

disregarded,in view of his later research work by him and his

students and published).

> What appears above is the present position

in K.P.

>

> With best wishes,

> L.Y.Rao.

> GOOD LUCK !

>

> insighter_0101 <insighter_0101 wrote:

> Alternatively V hav a way out:

> Reward, in advance, the nurse or even a midwife, making the

> clock/watch tallied with the correct time set. Ask her to note down

> the time. Since U gave a reward well in advance she must note the

> correct and actual time of birth.

> Prof. KSK has given the actual time of birth as one when the baby

> completely detaches mother's body. The first cry aspect is Medical

> term one. If a dead baby is born, where is the need of a horoscope

or

> RTB(ractification of time of birth). if felt a need, an astrologer

> can go in detailed analysis as why a still baby born, after all.

> = insighter=

>

> , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Hansraj,

> > Agreed we have no control over how actual birth time is recorded

in

> hospitals/ nursing homes. So we should verify the time for each

> birth, by a reliable method.

> > The time given in Hospital Recprds could be out by a few minutes,

> if there are no complications in Birth. These days in the states at

> least, the father is allowed to be present at delivery time, and

> notes the time. My nephew has thus noted the birth time of 2 of his

> children, himself, correct to the seconds, having taken care to

> synchronise his watch first. We cannot distrust such recorded

times.

> >

> > Of course in India we depend on the nurse attendending the birth

to

> note the time.

> >

> > So one has to research the correct Astrological Birth Time.

> >

> > Good luck

> >

> > hansraj vyas <hansraj_vyas@>

> wrote: Dear Members,

> > There has been a good deal of discussion on correct

> > birth time and I have also posted a couple of messages

> > on the subject earlier.I request members to consider

> > following points:

> > 1.Even if there is a consesus on correct birth

> > time(crying/beathing/part/full delivery etc) among the

> > astrologers, do we have any control/say with regard to

> > recording of this time in hospitals ? The time is

> > recorded in the hospital as per their clocks (accuracy

> > of which is not known) and this recording is done as

> > per their procedures.Can we change these procedures

> > and prevail upon them to record a particular moment

> > which is agreed upon by astrologers ?The staff

> > attending on delivery is more concerned with the lives

> > of the mother and child than recording of the time.

> > Many a times there are complicated deliveries.

> > 2.In view of the above, I feel that we should take the

> > recorded time as approximate time and verify it by

> > tallying timings of 3/4 important events in the life

> > of the native. If this tallys, the recorded time can

> > be taken as correct. If the life events do not tally

> > then we should proceed with rectification as per KP

> > principles.Regards, Hansraj.

> >

> > --- " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan@> wrote:

> >

> > > Dear members,

> > >

> > > I feel first cry of the baby is more appropriate

> > > and correct to consider as birth time because it

> > > indicates birth of a living body. Time of first

> > > seeing the baby, delivery of the baby and touching

> > > the ground - these two cases may happen in the case

> > > of dead baby also and hence these cases are not

> > > correct to be considered as time of birth.

> > >

> > > Good Luck

> > >

> > > K P Naidu

> > >

> > > Find out what India is talking about on -

> > > Answers India

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> > Good Luck

> > Raichur A R

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> >

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September 26, 2006

Dear ListMy view : Mystics hold that the Soul enters the body with the first birth, and leaves with the last birth. A cry is an indication of the babay taking in the 1st breath, and becoming an indivudial person.my 2 paise contribution to the topic.insighter_0101 <insighter_0101 wrote: The argument put forward by sri Lajmi appeals to reason that is -the first cry is the moment when born baby establishes its life at its own. While I weigh it acceptable(Not yet accepted), V shold also

consider Prof.KSK's argument "when baby completely detaches its mother's body". The baby was & is alive even be4 first cry.Shri KSK further signifies it by saying that the moment is as important as this is moment when baby cames in atmosphere of the earth and simultaneously receives combined beam of rays of all heavenly bodies (planets)that casts unerrasable bond of horoscope.The duration beween detachment & 1st cry is the period when the baby has aleady been covered the beam of combined rays of all planets. isn't it? I dont mean that 1st cry is regardless. What I want to stress upon here is why sri KSK's version should be disregarded. And to sum up, now, let us consider only 2 points: 1. Complete detachment, and 2. The d1st cry. I shall eagerly wait for next round. Thns to Lajmiji & all others who participated. = insighter+ , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: > > Dear Members, > I have been following his discussion for quite some time now,and as per my experience since 1998,ever since I acquired the book, > Astrosecrets & K.P., by the late M.P.Shanmugham...I have been following his considered and well-reasoned stand that the time of the > "first cry",is the correct TOB,because that is the exact moment of his first breath,the time when his life begins...! > > I have also earlier mentioned as follows,and I reiterate : > It has also been observed,as per "Advanced Stellar Astrology System(K.P.)," that if at the TOB,Sun,or Jup,or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the IXth sub-lord,the horoscope cast is

correct,to the minute... > > Sun is atmakaraka,the chief significator of the soul > Jup is putrakaraka,chief significator for child-birth > Ven is kamakaraka,the chief significator for sex pleasure. > > It is recommended by me that this postulation can become an ideal exercise for genuine researchers in K.P.,so that this 'controversy' can be set to rest once,and for all... > > All those doubtful of the postulations on the Exact TOB,as discussed and postulated in Krishnamurthi Padhdhati,are requested to test this out...first and only then, make appropriate comments please...( all references to the older comments of Krishnamurthiji like "seeing of the head etc...",should be disregarded,in view

of his later research work by him and his students and published). > What appears above is the present position in K.P. > > With best wishes, > L.Y.Rao. > GOOD LUCK ! > > > > > > insighter_0101 <insighter_0101 wrote: > Alternatively V hav a way out: > Reward, in advance, the nurse or even a midwife, making the > clock/watch tallied with the correct time set. Ask her to note down > the time. Since U gave a reward well in advance she must note the > correct and actual time of birth. > Prof. KSK has given the actual time of birth as one when the baby > completely detaches mother's body. The first cry aspect is Medical

> term one. If a dead baby is born, where is the need of a horoscope or > RTB(ractification of time of birth). if felt a need, an astrologer > can go in detailed analysis as why a still baby born, after all. > = insighter= > > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote: > > > > Dear Hansraj, > > Agreed we have no control over how actual birth time is recorded in > hospitals/ nursing homes. So we should verify the time for each > birth, by a reliable method. > > The time given in Hospital Recprds could be out by a few minutes, > if there are no complications in Birth. These days in the states at > least, the father is allowed to be present at delivery time, and > notes the time. My nephew has thus noted the birth time of 2 of his > children, himself,

correct to the seconds, having taken care to > synchronise his watch first. We cannot distrust such recorded times. > > > > Of course in India we depend on the nurse attendending the birth to > note the time. > > > > So one has to research the correct Astrological Birth Time. > > > > Good luck > > > > > > hansraj vyas <hansraj_vyas@> > wrote: Dear Members, > > There has been a good deal of discussion on correct > > birth time and I have also posted a couple of messages > > on the subject earlier.I request members to consider > > following points: > > 1.Even if there is a consesus on correct birth > > time(crying/beathing/part/full delivery etc) among the > > astrologers, do we have any control/say with regard to > > recording of this time in

hospitals ? The time is > > recorded in the hospital as per their clocks (accuracy > > of which is not known) and this recording is done as > > per their procedures.Can we change these procedures > > and prevail upon them to record a particular moment > > which is agreed upon by astrologers ?The staff > > attending on delivery is more concerned with the lives > > of the mother and child than recording of the time. > > Many a times there are complicated deliveries. > > 2.In view of the above, I feel that we should take the > > recorded time as approximate time and verify it by > > tallying timings of 3/4 important events in the life > > of the native. If this tallys, the recorded time can > > be taken as correct. If the life events do not tally > > then we should proceed with rectification as per KP > > principles.Regards,

Hansraj. > > > > --- "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan@> wrote: > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > I feel first cry of the baby is more appropriate > > > and correct to consider as birth time because it > > > indicates birth of a living body. Time of first > > > seeing the baby, delivery of the baby and touching > > > the ground - these two cases may happen in the case > > > of dead baby also and hence these cases are not > > > correct to be considered as time of birth. > > > > > > Good Luck > > > > > > K P Naidu > > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - > > > Answers India > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's

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Dear All, I am totaly agree with Raichur ji. cry is the right time to count as birth time. regards kanakRaichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear ListMy view : Mystics hold that the Soul enters the body with the first birth, and leaves with the last birth. A cry is an indication of the babay taking in the 1st breath, and becoming an indivudial person.my 2 paise contribution to the topic.insighter_0101

<insighter_0101 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: The argument put forward by sri Lajmi appeals to reason that is -the first cry is the moment when born baby establishes its life at its own. While I weigh it acceptable(Not yet accepted), V shold also consider Prof.KSK's argument "when baby completely detaches its mother's body". The baby was & is alive even be4 first cry.Shri KSK further signifies it by saying that the moment is as important as this is moment when baby cames in atmosphere of the earth and simultaneously receives combined beam of rays of all heavenly bodies(planets)that casts unerrasable bond of horoscope.The duration beween detachment & 1st cry is the period when the baby has aleady been covered the beam of combined rays of all planets. isn't it?I dont mean that 1st cry is

regardless. What I want to stress upon here is why sri KSK's version should be disregarded.And to sum up, now, let us consider only 2 points:1. Complete detachment, and 2. The d1st cry.I shall eagerly wait for next round. Thns to Lajmiji & all others who participated.= insighter+ , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>> Dear Members,> I have been following his discussion for quite some time now,and as per my experience since 1998,ever since I acquired the book,> Astrosecrets & K.P., by the late M.P.Shanmugham...I have been following his considered and well-reasoned stand that the time of the > "first cry",is the correct TOB,because that is the exact moment of his first breath,the time when his life begins...!> > I have also earlier mentioned as

follows,and I reiterate :> It has also been observed,as per "Advanced Stellar Astrology System(K.P.)," that if at the TOB,Sun,or Jup,or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the IXth sub-lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute...> > Sun is atmakaraka,the chief significator of the soul> Jup is putrakaraka,chief significator for child-birth > Ven is kamakaraka,the chief significator for sex pleasure.> > It is recommended by me that this postulation can become an ideal exercise for genuine researchers in K.P.,so that this 'controversy' can be set to rest once,and for all...> > All those doubtful of the postulations on the Exact TOB,as discussed and postulated in Krishnamurthi Padhdhati,are requested to test this out...first and only then, make appropriate comments please...( all references to the older comments of Krishnamurthiji like "seeing

of the head etc...",should be disregarded,in view of his later research work by him and his students and published).> What appears above is the present position in K.P.> > With best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > insighter_0101 <insighter_0101 wrote:> Alternatively V hav a way out:> Reward, in advance, the nurse or even a midwife, making the > clock/watch tallied with the correct time set. Ask her to note down > the time. Since U gave a reward well in advance she must note the > correct and actual time of birth.> Prof. KSK has given the actual time of birth as one when the baby > completely detaches mother's body. The first cry aspect is Medical > term one. If a dead baby is born, where is the need of a horoscope or > RTB(ractification of time of birth). if felt a need, an astrologer

> can go in detailed analysis as why a still baby born, after all.> = insighter=> > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Hansraj,> > Agreed we have no control over how actual birth time is recorded in > hospitals/ nursing homes. So we should verify the time for each > birth, by a reliable method.> > The time given in Hospital Recprds could be out by a few minutes, > if there are no complications in Birth. These days in the states at > least, the father is allowed to be present at delivery time, and > notes the time. My nephew has thus noted the birth time of 2 of his > children, himself, correct to the seconds, having taken care to > synchronise his watch first. We cannot distrust such recorded times. > > > > Of course in India we

depend on the nurse attendending the birth to > note the time.> > > > So one has to research the correct Astrological Birth Time.> > > > Good luck> > > > > > hansraj vyas <hansraj_vyas@> > wrote: Dear Members,> > There has been a good deal of discussion on correct> > birth time and I have also posted a couple of messages> > on the subject earlier.I request members to consider> > following points:> > 1.Even if there is a consesus on correct birth> > time(crying/beathing/part/full delivery etc) among the> > astrologers, do we have any control/say with regard to> > recording of this time in hospitals ? The time is> > recorded in the hospital as per their clocks (accuracy> > of which is not known) and this recording is done as> > per their procedures.Can we

change these procedures> > and prevail upon them to record a particular moment> > which is agreed upon by astrologers ?The staff> > attending on delivery is more concerned with the lives> > of the mother and child than recording of the time.> > Many a times there are complicated deliveries.> > 2.In view of the above, I feel that we should take the> > recorded time as approximate time and verify it by> > tallying timings of 3/4 important events in the life> > of the native. If this tallys, the recorded time can> > be taken as correct. If the life events do not tally> > then we should proceed with rectification as per KP> > principles.Regards, Hansraj.> > > > --- "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan@> wrote:> > > > > Dear members,> > > > > > I feel first cry of the baby is more

appropriate> > > and correct to consider as birth time because it> > > indicates birth of a living body. Time of first> > > seeing the baby, delivery of the baby and touching> > > the ground - these two cases may happen in the case> > > of dead baby also and hence these cases are not> > > correct to be considered as time of birth.> > > > > > Good Luck> > > > > > K P Naidu> > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - > > > Answers India > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from > > > Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW> > > > > > > > Tired of spam?

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September 26, 2006

Dear Sri L.Y.Rao In the email it is stated as follows: If at the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X sub lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute. Suppose sub lord of 1X cusp is Mercury and Mercury is in the star of Moon and in the sub of Mars at the TOB.Then as per the above statement, Sun or Jup or Ven has to to transit in the star of Moon or Mars if horoscope caste is correct to the minute. Am I correct in understanding your statement?If not,will you please give an example and clarify? With regards, V.Krishnamurty

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September 26, 2006

Dear Raichurar, I am curious to know your standing on this 'first cry' related issue. In some cases, first cry doesn't happen immediately upon birth- how would you interpret this: as 'balarishta' indicated in the chart, or soul intention/withdrawal, or smth else, as well as potential long-term consequences... My son /born July 11, 1976 at 5:15 Belgrade, Yugoslavia-Serbia, Scorpio Lagna, Sun MD at birth, positioned in 8th/ didn't cry for more that 3 min., was 'reanimated' sort of. AND: Thank you for teaching us this special /KP/ system! Best regards, Anna Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: Dear All, I am totaly agree with Raichur ji. cry is the right time to count as birth time. regards kanakRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear ListMy view : Mystics hold that the Soul enters the body with the first birth, and leaves with the last birth. A cry is an indication of the babay taking in the 1st breath, and becoming an indivudial person.my 2 paise contribution to the topic.insighter_0101 <insighter_0101 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: The argument put forward by sri Lajmi appeals to reason that is -the first cry is the moment when born baby establishes its life at its own. While I weigh it acceptable(Not yet accepted), V shold also consider Prof.KSK's argument "when baby completely detaches its mother's body". The baby was & is alive even be4 first cry.Shri KSK further signifies it by saying that the moment is as important as this is moment when baby cames in atmosphere of the earth and simultaneously receives combined beam of rays of all heavenly bodies(planets)that casts unerrasable bond of horoscope.The duration beween detachment & 1st cry is the period when the baby has aleady been covered the beam of combined rays of all planets. isn't it?I dont mean that 1st cry is regardless. What I want to stress upon here is why sri KSK's version should be disregarded.And to sum up, now, let

us consider only 2 points:1. Complete detachment, and 2. The d1st cry.I shall eagerly wait for next round. Thns to Lajmiji & all others who participated.= insighter+ , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>> Dear Members,> I have been following his discussion for quite some time now,and as per my experience since 1998,ever since I acquired the book,> Astrosecrets & K.P., by the late M.P.Shanmugham...I have been following his considered and well-reasoned stand that the time of the > "first cry",is the correct TOB,because that is the exact moment of his first breath,the time when his life begins...!> > I have also earlier mentioned as follows,and I reiterate :> It has also been observed,as per "Advanced Stellar Astrology System(K.P.)," that if at

the TOB,Sun,or Jup,or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the IXth sub-lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute...> > Sun is atmakaraka,the chief significator of the soul> Jup is putrakaraka,chief significator for child-birth > Ven is kamakaraka,the chief significator for sex pleasure.> > It is recommended by me that this postulation can become an ideal exercise for genuine researchers in K.P.,so that this 'controversy' can be set to rest once,and for all...> > All those doubtful of the postulations on the Exact TOB,as discussed and postulated in Krishnamurthi Padhdhati,are requested to test this out...first and only then, make appropriate comments please...( all references to the older comments of Krishnamurthiji like "seeing of the head etc...",should be disregarded,in view of his later research work by him and his students and

published).> What appears above is the present position in K.P.> > With best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> > > > > > insighter_0101 <insighter_0101 wrote:> Alternatively V hav a way out:> Reward, in advance, the nurse or even a midwife, making the > clock/watch tallied with the correct time set. Ask her to note down > the time. Since U gave a reward well in advance she must note the > correct and actual time of birth.> Prof. KSK has given the actual time of birth as one when the baby > completely detaches mother's body. The first cry aspect is Medical > term one. If a dead baby is born, where is the need of a horoscope or > RTB(ractification of time of birth). if felt a need, an astrologer > can go in detailed analysis as why a still baby born, after all.> = insighter=> > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:> >> > Dear Hansraj,> > Agreed we have no control over how actual birth time is recorded in > hospitals/ nursing homes. So we should verify the time for each > birth, by a reliable method.> > The time given in Hospital Recprds could be out by a few minutes, > if there are no complications in Birth. These days in the states at > least, the father is allowed to be present at delivery time, and > notes the time. My nephew has thus noted the birth time of 2 of his > children, himself, correct to the seconds, having taken care to > synchronise his watch first. We cannot distrust such recorded times. > > > > Of course in India we depend on the nurse attendending the birth to > note the time.> > > > So one has to

research the correct Astrological Birth Time.> > > > Good luck> > > > > > hansraj vyas <hansraj_vyas@> > wrote: Dear Members,> > There has been a good deal of discussion on correct> > birth time and I have also posted a couple of messages> > on the subject earlier.I request members to consider> > following points:> > 1.Even if there is a consesus on correct birth> > time(crying/beathing/part/full delivery etc) among the> > astrologers, do we have any control/say with regard to> > recording of this time in hospitals ? The time is> > recorded in the hospital as per their clocks (accuracy> > of which is not known) and this recording is done as> > per their procedures.Can we change these procedures> > and prevail upon them to record a particular moment> > which is agreed

upon by astrologers ?The staff> > attending on delivery is more concerned with the lives> > of the mother and child than recording of the time.> > Many a times there are complicated deliveries.> > 2.In view of the above, I feel that we should take the> > recorded time as approximate time and verify it by> > tallying timings of 3/4 important events in the life> > of the native. If this tallys, the recorded time can> > be taken as correct. If the life events do not tally> > then we should proceed with rectification as per KP> > principles.Regards, Hansraj.> > > > --- "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan@> wrote:> > > > > Dear members,> > > > > > I feel first cry of the baby is more appropriate> > > and correct to consider as birth time because it> > > indicates birth of a living

body. Time of first> > > seeing the baby, delivery of the baby and touching> > > the ground - these two cases may happen in the case> > > of dead baby also and hence these cases are not> > > correct to be considered as time of birth.> > > > > > Good Luck> > > > > > K P Naidu> > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - > > > Answers India > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from > > > Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW> > > > > > > > > >

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Dear V.Krishmamurty ji, Look as per bellow this rules: Rules is as: If at the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X sub lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute. now i try to explain this rule as under: --------- DATE WEDNESDAY 27 9 2006 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 5 H. 52 M. 35 S. Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.SUN. 6 9 53 50 Mer Sun Ven : ends at 08:01)MOON 7 29 19 48 Ven Jup Sun : ends at 05:43)MOON 1 8 5 28 40 Mar Sat Mer :

MARS 6 18 23 28 Mer Moo Mer : NO END MERC 6 28 40 46 Mer Mar Sat : ends at 27:01)JUP. 7 23 53 11 Ven Jup Sat : ends at 05:49)VEN. 6 1 52 55 Mer Sun Jup : ends at 27:01)SAT. 4 27 5 3 Moo Mer Jup : NO END RAHU -R 12 0 53 23 Jup Jup Mar : NO end KETU -R 6 0 53 23 Mer Sun Rah : NO end URAN -R 11 18 2 41 Sat Rah Sun : NO end NEPT -R 10 23 27 40 Sat Mar Mar : NO end MOON:(Jup-Moo 07:59)(Jup-Mar 09:29)(Jup-Rah 13:21)(Sat-Sat 17:26) (Sat-Mer 21:07)(Sat-Ket 22:38)(Sat-Ven 26:59)(Sat-Sun 28:17)

--------- Now in our exmpleSUn is in the star of SUN and sub of VEN up to 05.01 and MOO star and sub for all rest day. VEN is in the star of SUN and sub of JUP JUP is in the star of JUP and sub of SAT. Now we have SUN,VEN,MOO,JUP,SAT,RAH(agent of JUP),KET(agent of SUN),MER(conj with-SUN,,VEN),MAR(conj with SUN,,VEN) Now we have a all nine planet then what to do? which one we have to select and why other rejected? I strongly request all to check this and reply. this is not for givan day you can chek it for any day. if you dont found answer plaese write me i will explain you in detials. Specialy Lajmi ji please look in this case and give you feedback. regards kanak Bosmia krishnamurti

vangapandu <kvangapandu wrote: Dear Sri L.Y.Rao In the email it is stated as follows: If at the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X sub lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute. Suppose sub lord of 1X cusp is Mercury and Mercury is in the star of Moon and in the sub of Mars at the TOB.Then as per the above statement, Sun or Jup or Ven has to to transit in the star of Moon or Mars if horoscope

caste is correct to the minute. Am I correct in understanding your statement?If not,will you please give an example and clarify? With regards, V.Krishnamurty How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying <<

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Dear Kanak, There are quite some more rules given by the late Mr.Shanmugham,also...As I have said several times over,in this column, personally, I generally use the rule of the Ascendant sub and sub-sub to be reflected as Moon star-lord and Moon sub-lord respectively... I have only drawn the group's attention to one among some more rules given by Shanmugham... I leave it to the group to use a rule which they will in their experience,find most accurate...and workable...in most cases...! For every rule,one can if one is determined,certainly succeed in finding one or more exceptions... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao.Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia wrote: Dear

V.Krishmamurty ji, Look as per bellow this rules: Rules is as: If at the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X sub lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute. now i try to explain this rule as under: --------- DATE WEDNESDAY 27 9 2006 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 5 H. 52 M. 35 S. Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.SUN. 6 9 53 50 Mer Sun Ven : ends at 08:01)MOON 7 29 19 48 Ven Jup Sun : ends at 05:43)MOON 1 8 5 28 40 Mar Sat Mer

: MARS 6 18 23 28 Mer Moo Mer : NO END MERC 6 28 40 46 Mer Mar Sat : ends at 27:01)JUP. 7 23 53 11 Ven Jup Sat : ends at 05:49)VEN. 6 1 52 55 Mer Sun Jup : ends at 27:01)SAT. 4 27 5 3 Moo Mer Jup : NO END RAHU -R 12 0 53 23 Jup Jup Mar : NO end KETU -R 6 0 53 23 Mer Sun Rah : NO end URAN -R 11 18 2 41 Sat Rah Sun : NO end NEPT -R 10 23 27 40 Sat Mar Mar : NO end MOON:(Jup-Moo 07:59)(Jup-Mar 09:29)(Jup-Rah 13:21)(Sat-Sat 17:26) (Sat-Mer 21:07)(Sat-Ket 22:38)(Sat-Ven 26:59)(Sat-Sun 28:17)

--------- Now in our exmpleSUn is in the star of SUN and sub of VEN up to 05.01 and MOO star and sub for all rest day. VEN is in the star of SUN and sub of JUP JUP is in the star of JUP and sub of SAT. Now we have SUN,VEN,MOO,JUP,SAT,RAH(agent of JUP),KET(agent of SUN),MER(conj with-SUN,,VEN),MAR(conj with SUN,,VEN) Now we have a all nine planet then what to do? which one we have to select and why other rejected? I strongly request all to check this and reply. this is not for givan day you can chek it for any day. if you dont found answer plaese write me i will explain you in detials. Specialy Lajmi ji please look in this case and give you feedback. regards kanak Bosmia krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu > wrote: Dear Sri L.Y.Rao In the email it is stated as follows: If at the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X sub lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute. Suppose sub lord of 1X cusp is Mercury and Mercury is in the star of Moon and in the sub of Mars at the TOB.Then as per the above statement, Sun or Jup or Ven has to to transit in the star of Moon or Mars if horoscope caste is correct to the minute. Am I correct in understanding your statement?If not,will you please give an example and clarify? With regards, V.Krishnamurty How low will we go?

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Dear 108arIn the case cited I presume 5,15 is the Time, when yhe child came out of the womb.I cast the chart for this time. Yhe MOON is in Ven Star, Jup Sub.The ASC sub is Ven. So this satisfies the rule. The ASc Subsub was also Ven, where as Moon's Sub is Jupiter.When I changed the BirthnTime to 5,20 then tha ASC Subsub also was JUP. Which meant that TOB of 5,20 was the astrologically correct Birth Time.This may also prove the assumption that 1st Breath/Cry is rhe correct birth time, at least for astrological work.good luck 108ar <bona_mente wrote: Dear Raichurar, I am curious to know your standing on this 'first cry' related issue. In some cases, first cry doesn't happen immediately upon birth- how would you interpret this: as 'balarishta' indicated in the chart, or soul intention/withdrawal, or smth else, as well as potential long-term consequences... My son /born July 11, 1976 at 5:15 Belgrade, Yugoslavia-Serbia, Scorpio Lagna, Sun MD at birth, positioned in 8th/ didn't cry for more that 3 min., was 'reanimated' sort of. AND: Thank you for teaching us this special /KP/ system! Best regards, Anna Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote: Dear All, I am totaly agree with Raichur ji. cry is the right time to count as birth time. regards kanakRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear ListMy view : Mystics hold that the Soul enters the body with the first birth, and leaves with the last birth. A cry is an indication of the babay taking in the 1st breath, and becoming an indivudial person.my 2 paise contribution to the topic.insighter_0101 <insighter_0101 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: The argument put forward by sri Lajmi appeals to reason that is -the first cry is the moment when born baby

establishes its life at its own. While I weigh it acceptable(Not yet accepted), V shold also consider Prof.KSK's argument "when baby completely detaches its mother's body". The baby was & is alive even be4 first cry.Shri KSK further signifies it by saying that the moment is as important as this is moment when baby cames in atmosphere of the earth and simultaneously receives combined beam of rays of all heavenly bodies(planets)that casts unerrasable bond of horoscope.The duration beween detachment & 1st cry is the period when the baby has aleady been covered the beam of combined rays of all planets. isn't it?I dont mean that 1st cry is regardless. What I want to stress upon here is why sri KSK's version should be disregarded.And to sum up, now, let us consider only 2 points:1. Complete detachment, and 2. The d1st cry.I shall eagerly wait for next round. Thns to Lajmiji & all others who

participated.= insighter+ , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>> Dear Members,> I have been following his discussion for quite some time now,and as per my experience since 1998,ever since I acquired the book,> Astrosecrets & K.P., by the late M.P.Shanmugham...I have been following his considered and well-reasoned stand that the time of the > "first cry",is the correct TOB,because that is the exact moment of his first breath,the time when his life begins...!> > I have also earlier mentioned as follows,and I reiterate :> It has also been observed,as per "Advanced Stellar Astrology System(K.P.)," that if at the TOB,Sun,or Jup,or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the IXth sub-lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute...> > Sun

is atmakaraka,the chief significator of the soul> Jup is putrakaraka,chief significator for child-birth > Ven is kamakaraka,the chief significator for sex pleasure.> > It is recommended by me that this postulation can become an ideal exercise for genuine researchers in K.P.,so that this 'controversy' can be set to rest once,and for all...> > All those doubtful of the postulations on the Exact TOB,as discussed and postulated in Krishnamurthi Padhdhati,are requested to test this out...first and only then, make appropriate comments please...( all references to the older comments of Krishnamurthiji like "seeing of the head etc...",should be disregarded,in view of his later research work by him and his students and published).> What appears above is the present position in K.P.> > With best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !> >

> > > > insighter_0101 <insighter_0101 wrote:> Alternatively V hav a way out:> Reward, in advance, the nurse or even a midwife, making the > clock/watch tallied with the correct time set. Ask her to note down > the time. Since U gave a reward well in advance she must note the > correct and actual time of birth.> Prof. KSK has given the actual time of birth as one when the baby > completely detaches mother's body. The first cry aspect is Medical > term one. If a dead baby is born, where is the need of a horoscope or > RTB(ractification of time of birth). if felt a need, an astrologer > can go in detailed analysis as why a still baby born, after all.> = insighter=> > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:> >> > Dear

Hansraj,> > Agreed we have no control over how actual birth time is recorded in > hospitals/ nursing homes. So we should verify the time for each > birth, by a reliable method.> > The time given in Hospital Recprds could be out by a few minutes, > if there are no complications in Birth. These days in the states at > least, the father is allowed to be present at delivery time, and > notes the time. My nephew has thus noted the birth time of 2 of his > children, himself, correct to the seconds, having taken care to > synchronise his watch first. We cannot distrust such recorded times. > > > > Of course in India we depend on the nurse attendending the birth to > note the time.> > > > So one has to research the correct Astrological Birth Time.> > > > Good luck> > > > > > hansraj vyas

<hansraj_vyas@> > wrote: Dear Members,> > There has been a good deal of discussion on correct> > birth time and I have also posted a couple of messages> > on the subject earlier.I request members to consider> > following points:> > 1.Even if there is a consesus on correct birth> > time(crying/beathing/part/full delivery etc) among the> > astrologers, do we have any control/say with regard to> > recording of this time in hospitals ? The time is> > recorded in the hospital as per their clocks (accuracy> > of which is not known) and this recording is done as> > per their procedures.Can we change these procedures> > and prevail upon them to record a particular moment> > which is agreed upon by astrologers ?The staff> > attending on delivery is more concerned with the lives> > of the mother and child

than recording of the time.> > Many a times there are complicated deliveries.> > 2.In view of the above, I feel that we should take the> > recorded time as approximate time and verify it by> > tallying timings of 3/4 important events in the life> > of the native. If this tallys, the recorded time can> > be taken as correct. If the life events do not tally> > then we should proceed with rectification as per KP> > principles.Regards, Hansraj.> > > > --- "K. P. Naidu" <konathalan@> wrote:> > > > > Dear members,> > > > > > I feel first cry of the baby is more appropriate> > > and correct to consider as birth time because it> > > indicates birth of a living body. Time of first> > > seeing the baby, delivery of the baby and touching> > > the ground - these two cases may

happen in the case> > > of dead baby also and hence these cases are not> > > correct to be considered as time of birth.> > > > > > Good Luck> > > > > > K P Naidu> > > > > > > > > > > > Find out what India is talking about on - > > > Answers India > > > Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from > > > Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good Luck> > Raichur A

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Dear Sir,When I was born at 420 am in trichur, kerala, on 24/10/1955, my mother also says that i did not cry rightaway-- i had to be inverted, some hot water poured?? and a slap administered to the bottom before i cried.. The problem is that now I dont know if the time i was removed is 420 am or the time I cried was 420 am .. could u pls let me know--

thanks--- padma ramachandranOn 9/28/06, Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote:

Dear 108arIn the case cited I presume 5,15 is the Time, when yhe child came out of the womb.I cast the chart for this time. Yhe MOON is in Ven Star, Jup Sub.The ASC sub is Ven. So this satisfies the rule. The ASc Subsub was also Ven, where as Moon's Sub is Jupiter.When I changed the BirthnTime to 5,20 then tha ASC Subsub also was JUP. Which meant that TOB of 5,20 was the astrologically correct Birth Time.This may also prove the assumption that 1st Breath/Cry is rhe correct birth time, at least for astrological work.

good luck 108ar <bona_mente wrote:

Dear Raichurar, I am curious to know your standing on this 'first cry' related issue. In some cases, first cry doesn't happen immediately upon birth- how would you interpret this: as 'balarishta' indicated in the chart, or soul intention/withdrawal, or smth else, as well as potential long-term consequences...

My son /born July 11, 1976 at 5:15 Belgrade, Yugoslavia-Serbia, Scorpio Lagna, Sun MD at birth, positioned in 8th/ didn't cry for more that 3 min., was 'reanimated' sort of. AND: Thank you for teaching us this special /KP/ system!

Best regards, Anna Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote:

Dear All, I am totaly agree with Raichur ji. cry is the right time to count as birth time. regards kanakRaichur-a-r <

raichurar wrote: Dear ListMy view : Mystics hold that the Soul enters the body with the first birth, and leaves with the last birth. A cry is an indication of the babay taking in the 1st breath, and becoming an indivudial person.

my 2 paise contribution to the topic.insighter_0101 <insighter_0101 (AT) (DOT) co.in>

wrote: The argument put forward by sri Lajmi appeals to reason that is -the first cry is the moment when born baby

establishes its life at its own. While I weigh it acceptable(Not yet accepted), V shold also consider Prof.KSK's argument " when baby completely detaches its mother's body " . The baby was & is alive even be4 first cry.Shri KSK further signifies it by saying that the moment is as important as this is moment when baby cames in atmosphere of the earth and simultaneously receives combined beam of rays of all heavenly bodies

(planets)that casts unerrasable bond of horoscope.The duration beween detachment & 1st cry is the period when the baby has aleady been covered the beam of combined rays of all planets. isn't it?I dont mean that 1st cry is regardless. What I want to stress upon here is why sri KSK's version should be disregarded.And to sum up, now, let us consider only 2 points:1. Complete detachment, and 2. The d1st cry.I shall eagerly wait for next round. Thns to Lajmiji & all others who

participated.= insighter+ , Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:>> Dear Members,> I have been following his discussion for quite some time now,and as per my experience since 1998,ever since I acquired the book,> Astrosecrets & K.P., by the late M.P.Shanmugham...I have been following his considered and well-reasoned stand that the time of the > " first cry " ,is the correct TOB,because that is the exact moment of his first breath,the time when his life begins...!

> > I have also earlier mentioned as follows,and I reiterate :> It has also been observed,as per " Advanced Stellar Astrology System(K.P.), " that if at the TOB,Sun,or Jup,or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the IXth sub-lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute...> > Sun

is atmakaraka,the chief significator of the soul> Jup is putrakaraka,chief significator for child-birth > Ven is kamakaraka,the chief significator for sex pleasure.> > It is recommended by me that this postulation can become an ideal exercise for genuine researchers in K.P.,so that this 'controversy' can be set to rest once,and for all...> > All those doubtful of the postulations on the Exact TOB,as discussed and postulated in Krishnamurthi Padhdhati,are requested to test this out...first and only then, make appropriate comments please...( all references to the older comments of Krishnamurthiji like " seeing of the head etc... " ,should be disregarded,in view of his later research work by him and his students and published).> What appears above is the present position in K.P.> > With best wishes,> L.Y.Rao.> GOOD LUCK !

> >

> > > > insighter_0101 <insighter_0101 wrote:> Alternatively V hav a way out:> Reward, in advance, the nurse or even a midwife, making the > clock/watch tallied with the correct time set. Ask her to note down > the time. Since U gave a reward well in advance she must note the > correct and actual time of birth.> Prof. KSK has given the actual time of birth as one when the baby > completely detaches mother's body. The first cry aspect is Medical > term one. If a dead baby is born, where is the need of a horoscope or > RTB(ractification of time of birth). if felt a need, an astrologer > can go in detailed analysis as why a still baby born, after all.

> = insighter=> > , Raichur-a-r <raichurar@> wrote:

> >> > Dear

Hansraj,> > Agreed we have no control over how actual birth time is recorded in > hospitals/ nursing homes. So we should verify the time for each > birth, by a reliable method.> > The time given in Hospital Recprds could be out by a few minutes, > if there are no complications in Birth. These days in the states at > least, the father is allowed to be present at delivery time, and > notes the time. My nephew has thus noted the birth time of 2 of his > children, himself, correct to the seconds, having taken care to > synchronise his watch first. We cannot distrust such recorded times. > > > > Of course in India we depend on the nurse attendending the birth to > note the time.> > > > So one has to research the correct Astrological Birth Time.> > > > Good luck> > > > > > hansraj vyas

<hansraj_vyas@> > wrote: Dear Members,> > There has been a good deal of discussion on correct> > birth time and I have also posted a couple of messages> > on the subject earlier.I

request members to consider> > following points:> > 1.Even if there is a consesus on correct birth> > time(crying/beathing/part/full delivery etc) among the> > astrologers, do we have any control/say with regard to

> > recording of this time in hospitals ? The time is> > recorded in the hospital as per their clocks (accuracy> > of which is not known) and this recording is done as> > per their procedures.Can we change these procedures> > and prevail upon them to record a particular moment> > which is agreed upon by astrologers ?The staff> > attending on delivery is more concerned with the lives

> > of the mother and child

than recording of the time.> > Many a times there are complicated deliveries.> > 2.In view of the above, I feel that we should take the> > recorded time as approximate time and verify it by

> > tallying timings of 3/4 important events in the life> > of the native. If this tallys, the recorded time can> > be taken as correct. If the life events do not tally> > then we should proceed with rectification as per KP

> > principles.Regards, Hansraj.> > > > --- " K. P. Naidu " <konathalan@> wrote:> > > > > Dear members,> > > > > > I feel first cry of the baby is more appropriate

> > > and correct to consider as birth time because it> > > indicates birth of a living body. Time of first> > > seeing the baby, delivery of the baby and touching> > > the ground - these two cases may

happen in the case> > > of dead baby also and hence these cases are not> > > correct to be considered as time of birth.> > > > > > Good Luck> > > > > > K P Naidu

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Dear Sirs,Read both ur emails. If I follow what LYRao says - then my nakshatram shld change for the Moon starlord to reflect Ketu. So since this rule did not work for me, I tried the other one- If Venus, etc....My IXth cusp lord is Venus and at the time of birth its starlord and sublord --both are Jupiter... So can I take this to mean that my horoscope is accurate to the minute/??

Thanks.Padma Ramachandran.On 9/27/06, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote:

Dear Kanak, There are quite some more rules given by the late Mr.Shanmugham,also...As I have said several times over,in this column, personally,

I generally use the rule of the Ascendant sub and sub-sub to be reflected as Moon star-lord and Moon sub-lord respectively... I have only drawn the group's attention to one among some more rules given by Shanmugham...

I leave it to the group to use a rule which they will in their experience,find most accurate...and workable...in most cases...!

For every rule,one can if one is determined,certainly succeed in finding one or more exceptions... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao.

Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote:

Dear

V.Krishmamurty ji, Look as per bellow this rules: Rules is as: If at the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X sub lord,the

horoscope cast is correct,to the minute. now i try to explain this rule as under: ---------

DATE WEDNESDAY 27 9 2006 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 5 H. 52 M. 35 S. Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.SUN. 6 9 53 50 Mer Sun Ven : ends at 08:01)MOON 7 29 19 48 Ven Jup Sun : ends at 05:43)

MOON 1 8 5 28 40 Mar Sat Mer

: MARS 6 18 23 28 Mer Moo Mer : NO END MERC 6 28 40 46 Mer Mar Sat : ends at 27:01)JUP. 7 23 53 11 Ven Jup Sat : ends at 05:49)VEN. 6 1 52 55 Mer Sun Jup : ends at 27:01)

SAT. 4 27 5 3 Moo Mer Jup : NO END RAHU -R 12 0 53 23 Jup Jup Mar : NO end KETU -R 6 0 53 23 Mer Sun Rah : NO end URAN -R 11 18 2 41 Sat Rah Sun : NO end NEPT -R 10 23 27 40 Sat Mar Mar : NO end MOON:(Jup-Moo 07:59)(Jup-Mar 09:29)(Jup-Rah 13:21)(Sat-Sat 17:26) (Sat-Mer 21:07)(Sat-Ket 22:38)(Sat-Ven 26:59)(Sat-Sun 28:17)

--------- Now in our exmpleSUn is in the star of SUN and sub of VEN up to 05.01 and MOO star and sub for all rest day. VEN is in the star of SUN and sub of JUP

JUP is in the star of JUP and sub of SAT. Now we have SUN,VEN,MOO,JUP,SAT,RAH(agent of JUP),KET(agent of SUN),MER(conj with-SUN,,VEN),MAR(conj with SUN,,VEN) Now we have a all nine planet then what to do? which one we have to select and why other rejected? I strongly request all to check this and reply. this is not for givan day you can chek it for any day. if you dont found answer plaese write me i will explain you in detials.

Specialy Lajmi ji please look in this case and give you feedback. regards kanak Bosmia krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu > wrote:

Dear Sri L.Y.Rao In the email it is stated as follows: If at the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X sub lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute.

Suppose sub lord of 1X cusp is Mercury and Mercury is in the star of Moon and in the sub of Mars at the TOB.Then as per the above statement, Sun or Jup or Ven has to to transit in the star of Moon or Mars if horoscope caste is correct to the minute.

Am I correct in understanding your statement?If not,will you please give an example and clarify? With regards, V.Krishnamurty How low will we go?

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September 28, 2006

Dear Lajmi ji, I know all rules very well. I have all books writen on KP. and i read all book repitedly many times. Please give reply what to do in this example given in my mail. Only sugest how to fix sub and why? I am not ask about rules.so give only reply of my questions only. BTW this rules VEN,SUN,JUP is not givan by Sanmugam it was some astrologer from Shrilanka. regards Kanak BosmiaYogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Kanak, There are quite some more rules given by the late Mr.Shanmugham,also...As I have said several times over,in this column, personally, I generally use the rule of the Ascendant sub and sub-sub to be reflected as Moon star-lord and Moon sub-lord respectively... I have only drawn the group's attention to one among some more rules given by Shanmugham... I leave it to the group to use a rule which

they will in their experience,find most accurate...and workable...in most cases...! For every rule,one can if one is determined,certainly succeed in finding one or more exceptions... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao.Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote: Dear V.Krishmamurty ji, Look as per bellow this rules: Rules is as: If at

the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X sub lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute. now i try to explain this rule as under: --------- DATE WEDNESDAY 27 9 2006 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 5 H. 52 M. 35 S. Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.SUN. 6 9 53 50 Mer Sun Ven : ends at 08:01)MOON 7 29 19 48 Ven Jup Sun : ends at 05:43)MOON 1 8 5 28 40 Mar Sat Mer : MARS 6 18 23 28 Mer Moo Mer : NO END MERC 6 28 40 46 Mer Mar Sat :

ends at 27:01)JUP. 7 23 53 11 Ven Jup Sat : ends at 05:49)VEN. 6 1 52 55 Mer Sun Jup : ends at 27:01)SAT. 4 27 5 3 Moo Mer Jup : NO END RAHU -R 12 0 53 23 Jup Jup Mar : NO end KETU -R 6 0 53 23 Mer Sun Rah : NO end URAN -R 11 18 2 41 Sat Rah Sun : NO end NEPT -R 10 23 27 40 Sat Mar Mar : NO end MOON:(Jup-Moo 07:59)(Jup-Mar 09:29)(Jup-Rah 13:21)(Sat-Sat 17:26) (Sat-Mer 21:07)(Sat-Ket 22:38)(Sat-Ven 26:59)(Sat-Sun 28:17) --------- Now in our exmpleSUn is in the star of SUN and sub of VEN up

to 05.01 and MOO star and sub for all rest day. VEN is in the star of SUN and sub of JUP JUP is in the star of JUP and sub of SAT. Now we have SUN,VEN,MOO,JUP,SAT,RAH(agent of JUP),KET(agent of SUN),MER(conj with-SUN,,VEN),MAR(conj with SUN,,VEN) Now we have a all nine planet then what to do? which one we have to select and why other rejected? I strongly request all to check this and reply. this is not for givan day you can chek it for any day. if you dont found answer plaese write me i will explain you in detials. Specialy Lajmi ji please look in this case and give you feedback. regards kanak Bosmia krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu > wrote: Dear Sri L.Y.Rao In the email it is stated as follows: If at the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X sub lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute. Suppose sub lord of 1X cusp is Mercury and Mercury is in the star of Moon and in the sub of Mars at the TOB.Then as per the above statement, Sun or Jup or Ven has to to transit in the star of Moon or Mars if horoscope caste is correct to the minute. Am I correct in understanding your statement?If not,will you please give an example and clarify? With regards, V.Krishnamurty How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying << All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying <<

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September 28, 2006

Dear Padma, I have already sent you your corrected Birt Chart,as per K.P., sometime ago...If I remember correctly...Why don't you compare actual happenings in your life(major events),and check..The method I use is very accurate for a TOB given for correction/verification,if it is within + or _ 20-25 minutes of actual TOB... With kind regards... L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK !Padma Ramachandran <padma.ramachandran wrote: Dear Sirs,Read both ur emails. If I follow what LYRao says - then my nakshatram shld change for the Moon starlord to reflect Ketu. So since this rule did not work for me, I tried the other one- If Venus, etc....My IXth cusp lord is

Venus and at the time of birth its starlord and sublord --both are Jupiter... So can I take this to mean that my horoscope is accurate to the minute/?? Thanks.Padma Ramachandran. On 9/27/06, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanak, There are quite some more rules given by the late Mr.Shanmugham,also...As I have said several times over,in this column, personally, I generally use the rule of the Ascendant sub and sub-sub to be reflected as Moon star-lord and Moon sub-lord respectively...

I have only drawn the group's attention to one among some more rules given by Shanmugham... I leave it to the group to use a rule which they will in their experience,find most accurate...and workable...in most cases...! For every rule,one can if one is determined,certainly succeed in finding one or more exceptions... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao.Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote: Dear V.Krishmamurty ji, Look as per bellow this rules: Rules is as: If at the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X sub lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute. now i try to explain this rule as under: --------- DATE WEDNESDAY 27 9 2006 5.30 am I.S.T.SID

TIME AT 5.30 LT= 5 H. 52 M. 35 S. Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.SUN. 6 9 53 50 Mer Sun Ven : ends at 08:01)MOON 7 29 19 48 Ven Jup Sun : ends at 05:43) MOON 1 8 5 28 40 Mar Sat Mer : MARS 6 18 23 28 Mer Moo Mer : NO END MERC 6 28 40 46 Mer Mar Sat : ends at 27:01)JUP. 7 23 53 11 Ven Jup Sat : ends at 05:49)VEN. 6 1 52 55 Mer Sun Jup : ends at 27:01) SAT. 4 27 5 3 Moo Mer Jup : NO END RAHU -R 12 0 53 23 Jup Jup Mar : NO end KETU -R 6

0 53 23 Mer Sun Rah : NO end URAN -R 11 18 2 41 Sat Rah Sun : NO end NEPT -R 10 23 27 40 Sat Mar Mar : NO end MOON:(Jup-Moo 07:59)(Jup-Mar 09:29)(Jup-Rah 13:21)(Sat-Sat 17:26) (Sat-Mer 21:07)(Sat-Ket 22:38)(Sat-Ven 26:59)(Sat-Sun 28:17) --------- Now in our exmpleSUn is in the star of SUN and sub of VEN up to 05.01 and MOO star and sub for all rest day. VEN is in the star of SUN and sub of JUP JUP is in the star of JUP and sub of SAT. Now we have SUN,VEN,MOO,JUP,SAT,RAH(agent of JUP),KET(agent of SUN),MER(conj with-SUN,,VEN),MAR(conj with SUN,,VEN) Now we have a all nine planet then what to do? which one we have to select and why other

rejected? I strongly request all to check this and reply. this is not for givan day you can chek it for any day. if you dont found answer plaese write me i will explain you in detials. Specialy Lajmi ji please look in this case and give you feedback. regards kanak Bosmia krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu > wrote: Dear Sri L.Y.Rao In the email it is stated as follows: If at the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X sub lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute. Suppose sub lord of 1X cusp is Mercury and Mercury is in the star of Moon and in the sub of Mars

at the TOB.Then as per the above statement, Sun or Jup or Ven has to to transit in the star of Moon or Mars if horoscope caste is correct to the minute. Am I correct in understanding your statement?If not,will you please give an example and clarify? With regards, V.Krishnamurty How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying << All-new Mail - Fire up a

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September 29, 2006

Dear Padma Ramachandran, Am sending alongwith you BC as per K.P. System My comments are also given... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK !Padma Ramachandran <padma.ramachandran wrote: Dear Sirs,Read both ur emails. If I follow what LYRao says - then my nakshatram shld change for the Moon starlord to reflect Ketu. So since this rule did not work for me, I tried the other one- If Venus, etc....My IXth cusp lord is Venus and at the time of birth its starlord and sublord --both are Jupiter... So can I take this to mean that my horoscope is accurate to the minute/?? Thanks.Padma Ramachandran. On 9/27/06, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Dear Kanak, There are quite some more rules given by the late Mr.Shanmugham,also...As I have said several times over,in this column, personally, I generally use the rule of the Ascendant sub and sub-sub to be reflected as Moon star-lord and Moon sub-lord respectively... I have only drawn the group's attention to one among some more rules given by Shanmugham... I leave it to the group to use a rule which they will in their experience,find most accurate...and workable...in most cases...! For every rule,one can if one is determined,certainly succeed in finding one or more exceptions... With best wishes, L.Y.Rao.Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote: Dear V.Krishmamurty ji, Look as per bellow this rules: Rules is as: If at the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X

sub lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute. now i try to explain this rule as under: --------- DATE WEDNESDAY 27 9 2006 5.30 am I.S.T.SID TIME AT 5.30 LT= 5 H. 52 M. 35 S. Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.SUN. 6 9 53 50 Mer Sun Ven : ends at 08:01)MOON 7 29 19 48 Ven Jup Sun : ends at 05:43) MOON 1 8 5 28 40 Mar Sat Mer : MARS 6 18 23 28 Mer Moo Mer : NO END MERC 6 28 40 46 Mer Mar Sat : ends at 27:01)JUP. 7 23 53 11

Ven Jup Sat : ends at 05:49)VEN. 6 1 52 55 Mer Sun Jup : ends at 27:01) SAT. 4 27 5 3 Moo Mer Jup : NO END RAHU -R 12 0 53 23 Jup Jup Mar : NO end KETU -R 6 0 53 23 Mer Sun Rah : NO end URAN -R 11 18 2 41 Sat Rah Sun : NO end NEPT -R 10 23 27 40 Sat Mar Mar : NO end MOON:(Jup-Moo 07:59)(Jup-Mar 09:29)(Jup-Rah 13:21)(Sat-Sat 17:26) (Sat-Mer 21:07)(Sat-Ket 22:38)(Sat-Ven 26:59)(Sat-Sun 28:17) --------- Now in our exmpleSUn is in the star of SUN and sub of VEN up to 05.01 and MOO star and sub for all rest day. VEN

is in the star of SUN and sub of JUP JUP is in the star of JUP and sub of SAT. Now we have SUN,VEN,MOO,JUP,SAT,RAH(agent of JUP),KET(agent of SUN),MER(conj with-SUN,,VEN),MAR(conj with SUN,,VEN) Now we have a all nine planet then what to do? which one we have to select and why other rejected? I strongly request all to check this and reply. this is not for givan day you can chek it for any day. if you dont found answer plaese write me i will explain you in detials. Specialy Lajmi ji please look in this case and give you feedback. regards kanak Bosmia krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu > wrote: Dear Sri L.Y.Rao In the email it is stated as follows: If at the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X sub lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute. Suppose sub lord of 1X cusp is Mercury and Mercury is in the star of Moon and in the sub of Mars at the TOB.Then as per the above statement, Sun or Jup or Ven has to to transit in the star of Moon or Mars if horoscope caste is correct to the minute. Am I correct in understanding your statement?If not,will you please give an example and clarify? With regards, V.Krishnamurty How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. >> I Love Walking In Rain Because Nobody Can See Me Crying << All-new Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW

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M A N G E S H M A H A L A X M I P R A S S A N N A

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TEL: 2446 7314

email: lyastro1

BIRTH DETAILS OF

DETAILS OF BIRTH CHART

DATE : 24 10 1955 OTHER USEFUL INFORMATION

DAY : MONDAY RASI : MAKARA

TIME : 4 H. 20 M. 0 S. STAR : U.Ash

PLACE : TRICHUR KERALA;

CHARANA : THIRD

COUNTRY :INDIA NADI : ANTYA

YONI : GAJA

LAT. : 10 Deg. 30 Min. N GANA : DEVA

LONG. : 76 Deg. 15 Min. E VARNA : VYSHAYA

LAGNA. : Kanya TATWA : BHOOMI

LORD : Mer VASHYA : JALACHARA

RASI : Kanya

LORD : Sat GHATACHAKRA [MALEFICS]

NAKSHATRA : U.Ash 3 - Pada MONTH : VAISHAKHA

NAK.LORD : Sun TITHI : 4-9-14

TITHI : 8 DAY : MANGALVAR

SID.TIME : 6 H. 1 M. 17 S. STAR : ROHINI

AYANAMSA : 23 D. 8 M. 59 S.

PRAHARA : 4th

SUN SIGN : SCORPIO (Sayana) CHANDRA : 8th

Cast By L.Y.RAO ON 28-09-2006

Programme by RAICHUR 8/147 GARODIANAGAR BOMBAY-77

BIRTH DETAILS OF

TRADITIONAL RASI CHART -PLANETS WITH + ARE RETROGRADE

NAKSHATRA: U.Ash PADA - 3

DASA BAL. Sun. 1 Y. 211 Days ENDS ON 22 5 1957

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| | |URAN |

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|MOON | |JUP. PLUT |

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TRADITIONAL NAVAMSA CHART

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|ASC....... |VEN. |MARS JUP. PLUT |SAT. FOR. |

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|MOON RAHU | |MERC |

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| | |KETU |

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Cast By L.Y.RAO ON 28-09-2006

Programme by RAICHUR 8/147 GARODIANAGAR BOMBAY-77

W E S T E R N A S P E C T S

Plan. SUN. MOON MARS MERC JUP. VEN. SAT. RAHU KETU URAN NEPT FOR. PLUT

SUN. CONJ SXTL

MOON OPP

MARS Ssqr

MERC CONJ Ssxt SXTL

JUP. SQUR SXTL TRIN CONJ

VEN. CONJ Ssqr

SAT. Ssxt

RAHU OPP

KETU

URAN SQUR 150

NEPT SXTL

FOR.

PLUT

Planet ASC 2nd 3rd 4th 5th 6th 7th 8th 9th 10th 11th 12th

SUN. CONJ Ssxt SXTL SQUR TRIN 150 OPP

MOON CONJ Ssxt SXTL SQUR TRIN 150 OPP

MARS CONJ SXTL OPP

MERC Ssqr 135

JUP. SXTL SQUR TRIN 150 OPP CONJ

VEN. Ssqr 135

SAT.

RAHU

KETU

URAN SXTL SQUR TRIN 150 OPP CONJ

NEPT CONJ SXTL SQUR TRIN 150 OPP

FOR. CONJ Ssxt SXTL SQUR TRIN 150 OPP

PLUT Ssxt SXTL SQUR TRIN 150 OPP CONJ

ORBS Conj,opp =8.Sq. Trine 6,SEXT 6,Semis 2, Rest 2 deg.

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|VII 7 10 28| | | |

| |VIII 7 49 55|IX 7 59 45|X 7 8 42|

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| | NAME: | |

| | MONDAY 24 10 1955 | |

| | Time 4 20 0 | |

|VI 6 30 35| | |

| | SID.TIME 6 h. 1 m. 17 s. |X1 6 18 42|

| | |Uran 9 3 47|

| | NAKS:U.Ash-PADA 3 | |

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:---------------| PLACE:TRICHUR KERA |---------------|

| | | |

| | LAT 10 deg 30 min N | |

|Moon 6 29 34| | |

|V 6 18 42| Long 76 deg 15 min E |Jup 3 52 8|

| | |Plut 5 4 46|

| | Ayan 23 d. 8 m. 59 s. |XII 6 30 35|

| | | |

| |CAST BY:L.Y.RAO | |

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| | | | |

| | |Sat 27 49 25| |

|IV 7 8 42|Rahu 26 35 51|Ven 20 28 26| |

|For 7 3 40|III 7 59 45|II 7 49 55|Asc. 7 10 28|

| | |Sun 6 36 22|Mars 13 34 2|

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DASA BAL. Sun. 1 Y. 211 Days ENDS ON 22 5 1957

BHK. Bal. Merc 0 Y. 83 Days: ANT. Bal. Jup. 34 Days:

SOOK Bal. Sat. 4 Days

CUSP Sgl Stl Sbl Ssl :PLANET Sgl Stl Sbl SsL RULING PLANETS

ASC Mer Sun Ket Ven :SUN. Ven Mar Moo Ven ASC STL :Sun

2nd Ven Rah Rah Mer :MOON Sat Sun Mer Jup ASC SGL :Mer

3rd Mar Sat Ket Sat :MARS Mer Moo Rah Sun MOON STL:Sun

4th Jup Ket Rah Ven :MERC Mer Moo Ket Jup MOON SGL:Sat

5th Sat Sun Mer Rah :JUP. Sun Ket Moo Rah DAY LORD :MOON

6th Sat Mar Moo Ven :VEN. Ven Jup Jup Sat

7th Jup Sat Mer Sat :SAT. Ven Jup Ven Jup

8th Mar Ket Jup Sat :RAHU Mar Mer Jup Sat

9th Ven Sun Ven Ven :KETU Ven Mar Jup Sat

10th Mer Rah Rah Jup :URAN Moo Sat Ven Rah

11th Moo Sat Mer Moo :NEPT Ven Mar Sun Sun

12th Sun Ket Rah Mer :FOR. Jup Ket Rah Ven

:PLUT Sun Ket Mar Sat

SIGNIFICATORS OF HOUSES

SIGNIFICATORS ARE SHOWN IN THE FOLLOWING ORDER OF IMPORTANCE

A-Planets in Star of Occupants of House: B-Planets in House

C-Planets in stars of House Lord: D-House Lord: E= Planets

Aspected by A,B,C,D Trad aspects BY SIGN : F=Sub Lord

Check B: planets near cusps within 3deg 20m OF CUSP THEY WILL ACT ALSO AS B

CORRECT IN THE TABLE, ALSO IN TABLE BELOW

HOUSE A B C D E F

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ASC |MOO:SUN:KET:NEP|SUN:MAR:MER:NEP|RAH: |Mer|MA:KE:VE:SA|Ket

|RAH: | | | |ME:RA:SU: |

2nd |URA: |VEN:SAT: | |Ven|SU:SA:VE: |Rah

| | | | | |

3rd | |RAH:FOR: |SUN:KET:NEP|Mar|ME:VE:SA:RA|Ket

4th | | |VEN:SAT: |Jup|SU:SA:VE: |Rah

| | | | | |

5th |MAR:MER: |MOO: |URA: |Sat|SU:VE:ME:MA|Mer

| | | | | |

6th | | |URA: |Sat|SU:VE: |Moo

| | | | | |

7th | | |VEN:SAT: |Jup|SU:SA:VE: |Mer

| | | | | |

8th | | |SUN:KET:NEP|Mar|ME:VE:SA:RA|Jup

| | | | |SU: |

9th |JUP:FOR:PLU: |KET: | |Ven|SU:SA:RA: |Ven

| | | | | |

10th | | |RAH: |Mer|MA:KE: |Rah

| | | | | |

11th |VEN:SAT: |JUP:URA:PLU: |MAR:MER: |Moo|ME:MA:SU:SA|Mer

| | | | |VE: |

12th | | |MOO: |Sun|VE:SA: |Rah

| | | | | |

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PLANET House Numbers Signified: Aspecting Planets

SUN. A-As,B-As,C-03,C-08,D-12, :VE:SA:NE:F-

MOON A-As,B-05,C-12,D-11, :UR:F- 6,

MARS A-05,B-As,C-11,D-03,D-08, :ME:F-

MERC A-05,B-As,C-11,D-As,D-10, :MA:F- 5, 7,11,

JUP. A-09,B-11,D-04,D-07, :F- 8,

VEN. A-11,B-02,C-04,C-07,D-02,D-09,:SU:SA:NE:F- 9,

SAT. A-11,B-02,C-04,C-07,D-05,D-06,:SU:VE:NE:F-

RAHU A-As,B-03,C-As,C-10, :KE:F- 2, 4,10,12,

KETU A-As,B-09,C-03,C-08, :RA:F- 1, 3,

URAN A-02,B-11,C-05,C-06, :MO:SA:F-

NEPT A-As,B-As,C-03,C-08, :SU:VE:SA:F-

FOR. A-09,B-03, :MA:JU:SA:F-

PLUT A-09,B-11, :JU:F-

RAHU will ACT as AGENT for Mar,Mer also

KETU will ACT as AGENT for Ven,Mar also

Planets EXALTED or in OWN house Strongly signify the house owned

Planets DEBILITATED are WEAK

These are : MERC:OWN VEN.:OWN

VIMSOTTARI DASAS --- BHUKTIES

Sun DASA 22 05 1951 -> 22 05 1957 |Moo DASA 22 05 1957 -> 22 05 1967

|Moo Bhk. 22 05 1957 -> 22 03 1958

|Mar Bhk. 22 03 1958 -> 22 10 1958

|Rah Bhk. 22 10 1958 -> 22 04 1960

|Jup Bhk. 22 04 1960 -> 22 08 1961

|Sat Bhk. 22 08 1961 -> 22 03 1963

|Mer Bhk. 22 03 1963 -> 22 08 1964

Mer Bhk. 24 10 1955 -> 16 01 1956 |Ket Bhk. 22 08 1964 -> 22 03 1965

Ket Bhk. 16 01 1956 -> 22 05 1956 |Ven Bhk. 22 03 1965 -> 22 11 1966

Ven Bhk. 22 05 1956 -> 22 05 1957 |Sun Bhk. 22 11 1966 -> 22 05 1967

Mar DASA 22 05 1967 -> 22 05 1974 |Rah DASA 22 05 1974 -> 22 05 1992

Mar Bhk. 22 05 1967 -> 19 10 1967 |Rah Bhk. 22 05 1974 -> 04 02 1977

Rah Bhk. 19 10 1967 -> 07 11 1968 |Jup Bhk. 04 02 1977 -> 28 06 1979

Jup Bhk. 07 11 1968 -> 13 10 1969 |Sat Bhk. 28 06 1979 -> 04 05 1982

Sat Bhk. 13 10 1969 -> 22 11 1970 |Mer Bhk. 04 05 1982 -> 22 11 1984

Mer Bhk. 22 11 1970 -> 19 11 1971 |Ket Bhk. 22 11 1984 -> 10 12 1985

Ket Bhk. 19 11 1971 -> 16 04 1972 |Ven Bhk. 10 12 1985 -> 10 12 1988

Ven Bhk. 16 04 1972 -> 16 06 1973 |Sun Bhk. 10 12 1988 -> 04 11 1989

Sun Bhk. 16 06 1973 -> 22 10 1973 |Moo Bhk. 04 11 1989 -> 04 05 1991

Moo Bhk. 22 10 1973 -> 22 05 1974 |Mar Bhk. 04 05 1991 -> 22 05 1992

Jup DASA 22 05 1992 -> 22 05 2008 |Sat DASA 22 05 2008 -> 22 05 2027

Jup Bhk. 22 05 1992 -> 10 07 1994 |Sat Bhk. 22 05 2008 -> 25 05 2011

Sat Bhk. 10 07 1994 -> 22 01 1997 |Mer Bhk. 25 05 2011 -> 04 02 2014

Mer Bhk. 22 01 1997 -> 28 04 1999 |Ket Bhk. 04 02 2014 -> 13 03 2015

Ket Bhk. 28 04 1999 -> 04 04 2000 |Ven Bhk. 13 03 2015 -> 13 05 2018

Ven Bhk. 04 04 2000 -> 04 12 2002 |Sun Bhk. 13 05 2018 -> 25 04 2019

Sun Bhk. 04 12 2002 -> 22 09 2003 |Moo Bhk. 25 04 2019 -> 25 11 2020

Moo Bhk. 22 09 2003 -> 22 01 2005 |Mar Bhk. 25 11 2020 -> 04 01 2022

Mar Bhk. 22 01 2005 -> 28 12 2005 |Rah Bhk. 04 01 2022 -> 10 11 2024

Rah Bhk. 28 12 2005 -> 22 05 2008 |Jup Bhk. 10 11 2024 -> 22 05 2027

Mer DASA 22 05 2027 -> 22 05 2044 |Ket DASA 22 05 2044 -> 22 05 2051

Mer Bhk. 22 05 2027 -> 19 10 2029 |Ket Bhk. 22 05 2044 -> 19 10 2044

Ket Bhk. 19 10 2029 -> 16 10 2030 |Ven Bhk. 19 10 2044 -> 19 12 2045

Ven Bhk. 16 10 2030 -> 16 08 2033 |Sun Bhk. 19 12 2045 -> 25 04 2046

Sun Bhk. 16 08 2033 -> 22 06 2034 |Moo Bhk. 25 04 2046 -> 25 11 2046

Moo Bhk. 22 06 2034 -> 22 11 2035 |Mar Bhk. 25 11 2046 -> 22 04 2047

Mar Bhk. 22 11 2035 -> 19 11 2036 |Rah Bhk. 22 04 2047 -> 10 05 2048

Rah Bhk. 19 11 2036 -> 07 06 2039 |Jup Bhk. 10 05 2048 -> 16 04 2049

Jup Bhk. 07 06 2039 -> 13 09 2041 |Sat Bhk. 16 04 2049 -> 25 05 2050

Sat Bhk. 13 09 2041 -> 22 05 2044 |Mer Bhk. 25 05 2050 -> 22 05 2051

Ven DASA 22 05 2051 -> 22 05 2071 |

Ven Bhk. 22 05 2051 -> 22 09 2054 |

Sun Bhk. 22 09 2054 -> 22 09 2055 |

Moo Bhk. 22 09 2055 -> 22 05 2057 |

Mar Bhk. 22 05 2057 -> 22 07 2058 |

Rah Bhk. 22 07 2058 -> 22 07 2061 |

Jup Bhk. 22 07 2061 -> 22 03 2064 |

Sat Bhk. 22 03 2064 -> 22 05 2067 |

Mer Bhk. 22 05 2067 -> 22 03 2070 |

Ket Bhk. 22 03 2070 -> 22 05 2071 |

JUDGEMENT & ANALYSIS :

1. The s/l of the IXth,is Venus.

2. Venus is transitting in Jup star Jup sub...at TOB…

3. This satisfies the rule that if Sun,Jup or Venus

Is found transitting in the star or sub of the IXth IXth sub-lord.

HENCE MR.PADMA RAMACHANDRAN YOUR TOB,04-20 A.M. IS CORRECT. !

GOOD LUCK !

September 29, 2006

Dear Mr.Rao,I dont remember seeing it--In fact this is the first time that I have put my details on this site.I confirmed with my mother regarding a + or - 20/25 minutes difference of actual TOB-- She does not feel it could be that much-- like I mentioned earlier, I was born at home and maybe the midwife announced the time of birth as when the baby came out - when I did not cry, there must have a maximum of 5 minutes -hotwater, inversion, slap on the bottom- before I cried- so there is no chance that there is a 20- 25 min difference.. In case you have my corrected birth chart as per KP- pls send it to me-- I honestly dont remem having read it or received it.

Thanks in advance.With warm regards,PadmaOn 9/28/06, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1

> wrote:

Dear Padma, I have already sent you your corrected Birt Chart,as per K.P., sometime ago...If I remember correctly...Why don't you compare actual happenings in your life(major events),and check..The method I use is very accurate for a TOB given for correction/verification,if it is within + or _ 20-25 minutes of actual TOB... With kind regards...

L.Y.Rao. GOOD LUCK !Padma Ramachandran <padma.ramachandran@

gmail.com> wrote: Dear Sirs,Read both ur emails. If I follow what LYRao says - then my nakshatram shld change for the Moon starlord to reflect Ketu. So since this rule did not work for me, I tried the other one- If Venus, etc....My IXth cusp lord is

Venus and at the time of birth its starlord and sublord --both are Jupiter... So can I take this to mean that my horoscope is accurate to the minute/?? Thanks.Padma Ramachandran.

On 9/27/06, Yogesh Rao Lajmi <lyrastro1 wrote: Dear Kanak, There are quite some more rules given by the late

Mr.Shanmugham,also...As I have said several times over,in this column, personally, I generally use the rule of the Ascendant sub and sub-sub to be reflected as Moon star-lord and Moon sub-lord respectively

....

I have only drawn the group's attention to one among some more rules given by Shanmugham... I leave it to the group to use a rule which

they will in their experience,find most accurate...and workable...in most cases...! For every rule,one can if one is determined,certainly succeed in finding one or more exceptions...

With best wishes, L.Y.Rao.Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia > wrote:

Dear V.Krishmamurty ji, Look as per bellow this rules: Rules is as:

If at the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X sub lord,the horoscope cast is correct,to the minute. now i try to explain this rule as under:

--------- DATE WEDNESDAY 27 9 2006 5.30 am I.S.T.SID

TIME AT 5.30 LT= 5 H. 52 M. 35 S. Time show is for sub ending +/- 1 min.SUN. 6 9 53 50 Mer Sun Ven : ends at 08:01)MOON 7 29 19 48 Ven Jup Sun : ends at 05:43) MOON 1 8 5 28 40 Mar Sat Mer : MARS 6 18 23 28 Mer Moo Mer : NO END MERC 6 28 40 46 Mer Mar Sat : ends at 27:01)JUP. 7 23 53 11 Ven Jup Sat : ends at 05:49)VEN. 6 1 52 55 Mer Sun Jup : ends at 27:01)

SAT. 4 27 5 3 Moo Mer Jup : NO END RAHU -R 12 0 53 23 Jup Jup Mar : NO end KETU -R 6

0 53 23 Mer Sun Rah : NO end URAN -R 11 18 2 41 Sat Rah Sun : NO end NEPT -R 10 23 27 40 Sat Mar Mar : NO end MOON:(Jup-Moo 07:59)(Jup-Mar 09:29)(Jup-Rah 13:21)(Sat-Sat 17:26) (Sat-Mer 21:07)(Sat-Ket 22:38)(Sat-Ven 26:59)(Sat-Sun 28:17)

--------- Now in our exmpleSUn is in the star of SUN and sub of VEN up to 05.01 and MOO star and sub for all rest day. VEN is in the star of SUN and sub of JUP JUP is in the star of JUP and sub of SAT. Now we have SUN,VEN,MOO,JUP,SAT,RAH(agent of JUP),KET(agent of SUN),MER(conj with-SUN,,VEN),MAR(conj with SUN,,VEN)

Now we have a all nine planet then what to do? which one we have to select and why other

rejected? I strongly request all to check this and reply. this is not for givan day you can chek it for any day. if you dont found answer plaese write me i will explain you in detials. Specialy Lajmi ji please look in this case and give you feedback. regards kanak Bosmia krishnamurti vangapandu <kvangapandu@

> wrote: Dear Sri L.Y.Rao In the email it is stated as follows: If at the TOB Sun or Jup Or Venus is transitting the star or sub of the 1X sub lord,the

horoscope cast is correct,to the minute. Suppose sub lord of 1X cusp is Mercury and Mercury is in the star of Moon and in the sub of Mars

at the TOB.Then as per the above statement, Sun or Jup or Ven has to to transit in the star of Moon or Mars if horoscope caste is correct to the minute. Am I correct in understanding your statement?If not,will you please give an example and clarify?

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PS: I am copying/sending this discussion to the List, so that other members can benefit from your explanation, dear Raichur. ---------------------------- Dear Raichur, I am really impressed! /and I am not easily impressed, believe me/. This is the only rectification method, of many, many ..I've encountered in my 8year 'long' jyotish journey, that fully makes sense to me /and is not frivolous, easy 'adjustment-to-fit-interpretation we've all seen so many times!/. Thank you for explaining this to me so clearly; lacking the KP books, and clear rules, I've always felt very confused and discouraged about studying KP-would you please, suggest one book that can help me get started and get better able to learn/study from your comments? My son's case is obviously the proof for both rectification method, and for 'real

birth-first breath' issue. I also personally can easily accept that life begins and ends with the first and last breath. Best regards, Anna Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear Anna One of the rules for birth rectification is that at Birth The Star Lord of Moon, should be same as the Sub-lord of ASC, and The su-lord of Moon shd be the sub-sub lord of Asc. If the given TOB is changed to fit this criterion, then TOB came to 5,20. This time I presumed is the time your son cried after birth. There is a discussion going on, what exactly shd be taken as the Time of Birth, (for astrological purpose of casting the Horoscope, which forms the

basis of predictions). The alternatives are : 1 When the Head Comes out 2, When the connecting cord is cut 3:When the child 1st cries. On presumption that the child creies when he takes the 1st breath, and according to Mystics, the Soul Enters the body with the breath, the time of crying be taken as time of birth, at lrasy for astrological work. Your son's breathing some time, later than being out of the womb, can be acase to prove the assumption, and the validity of rectification of birth time. KP requires the TOB to be as accurate as possible. It is only one known Method, which can explain the differences between twins, where the time of birth is 1 to 2 min. Hope this helps 108ar <bona_mente wrote: Dear Raichur, I don't know anything about KP method/rules, neither do I know/understand why Ju-sub for Asc. would signify first cry/first breath problem. It's perhaps basic, but I am not even there yet. In fact I feel pretty lost in this KP area. If you find it worth explaining/elaborating on this, it would be appreciated. Best regards, AnnaRaichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear 108arIn the case cited I presume 5,15 is the Time, when yhe child came out of the womb.I cast the chart for this time. Yhe MOON is in Ven Star, Jup Sub.The ASC sub is Ven. So this satisfies the rule. The ASc Subsub was also Ven, where as Moon's Sub is Jupiter.When I changed the BirthnTime to 5,20 then tha ASC Subsub also was JUP. Which

meant that TOB of 5,20 was the astrologically correct Birth Time.This may also prove the assumption that 1st Breath/Cry is rhe correct birth time, at least for astrological work.good luck 108ar <bona_mente wrote: Dear Raichurar, I am curious to know your standing on this 'first cry' related issue. In some cases, first cry doesn't happen immediately upon birth- how would you interpret this: as 'balarishta' indicated in the chart, or soul intention/withdrawa l, or smth else, as well as potential

long-term consequences. .. My son /born July 11, 1976 at 5:15 Belgrade, Yugoslavia-Serbia, Scorpio Lagna, Sun MD at birth, positioned in 8th/ didn't cry for more that 3 min., was 'reanimated' sort of. AND: Thank you for teaching us this special /KP/ system! Best regards, Anna Kanak Bosmia <kanakbosmia@ > wrote: Dear All, I am totaly agree with Raichur ji. cry is the right time to count as birth time. regards kanakRaichur-a-r <raichurar > wrote: Dear ListMy view : Mystics hold that the Soul enters the body with the first birth, and leaves with the last birth. A

cry is an indication of the babay taking in the 1st breath, and becoming an indivudial person.my 2 paise contribution to the topic.Raichur-a-r <raichurar wrote: Dear Mr Pavan KumarPl. read Page 222 of the 6th reader Horary Astrology and solve the question youself.You will only learn that way.good luckpavan kumar

<pavankumargvp (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Hare Krsna Namaste To you All. First of all thanks to Nemani Ji, Kanak Bosmia ji, and Satish Ji for their analyses. Now I would like to ask another question i.e. when a person, known to me, Mr. Purna, would be freed from his debts? He is despertely suffering from debts. The learned members could please answer the question as early as possible. For your kind information he is doing edible oil business in Vijayawada. He has given the number---246. Thanking you all Pavan Kumar. Find out what India is talking about on - Answers India Send FREE SMS to your friend's mobile from Messenger Version 8. Get it NOW Good LuckRaichur A RBombay Tel 2506 2609 Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min.

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