Florida Statistics & Ohio Strife

November 7, 2004

A comment well said Chris...

However and nonetheless, I don't think I 'm just showing my age for recalling

how JFK won all the Electoral votes in Illinois in 1960 by good old fashioned

local political machine-directed fraud. And as Illinois went that election day,

so was tipped the balance in the nation's choice against candidate Nixon that

year. .... History may or may not have repeated itself in this regard last

Tuesday in Ohio or elsewhere.

But while I'm on the line here, I want to additionally say to the Group that I'm

surprised that I have yet to see, in any of the astrology groups I follow, even

one mundane analysis of the synastries between national political party and

presidential candidate. As in the possibility in any given contest that a strong

party/marginal candidate may trump a weak party/attractive candidate. The

exclusive horoscopic focus of attention on Bush and Kerry (Edwards/Cheney) might

understandably leave one with the impression that what we witnessed last Tuesday

was only the likes of a medieval joust and not a Presidential Election

orchestrated by two national political parties.

Regardless of whether or not Ed Kohout's dark, but for me healthy, suspicions

are at all justified, I think one ought to look more closely at party

orchestrations, not just at the character potential and destiny of each of the

main personalities.

P.S. .. By my lonesome reckoning, each of the two national political parties was

born at the time of a national platform adoption at a party nominating

convention: the Democrats on May 27, 1844 @ Baltimore, MD, a Monday

mid-afternoon, when the nomination of James Polk and the platform adoption

included a plank formalizing the party's name change to the party's " stile " as

we recognize it today; and the Republicans on July 6, 1854 @ Jackson, Michigan,

a Thursday mid-afternoon, at which the national party's stile was there first

adopted as well ..... Just something to consider ... (The co-incident Republican

party/George Bush birthday of July 6th must amount to something in the cosmic

scheme of things).

Thanks Chris, JOHN here

Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote:

John, Therese and List,

While I'm sure there was some measure of vote fraud going on in the election

(just like there always is), I'm unsure how decisive it was.

The main point for conspiracy oriented folks have to address first is why

did Bush's share of the popular vote increase in the states he lost this

time over 2000.

Take a look at Bush's popular vote count in a few of Kerry's states:

2000 2004

California 42% 44%

Michigan 46% 48%

New York 35% 40%

New Jersey 40% 46%

Massachusetts 33% 37%

Connecticut 38% 44%

Rhode Island 32% 39%

I think it is highly unlikely to think that the Republicans would have

bothered with vote fraud in these clearly Kerry states, with the possible

exception of NJ. So if these are authentic results, it shows that Bush's

popularity went up over 2000 across the country.

So is it so hard to believe that he actually outpolled Kerry in the

battleground states?

So far, not a peep out of Michael Moore on this issue.

Chris

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" Therese Hamilton " <eastwest

Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:59 PM

Re: Florida Statistics

>

> John,

>

> And of course nothing of this was televised. Thanks for the link. I can't

> believe that lawyers aren't working on Ohio and Florida through day and

> night. In the meantime...my blood runs cold as everything our country was

> built on seems to be dying. Please everyone, check out the two links below

> and do some printouts. How long before these stories won't be allowed on

> the web? Televised reports are already compromised.

>

> Therese

>

> At 05:57 PM 11/6/04 +0000, John wrote:

> >

> >Apropos Ed Kohout's provocative messages, please review this scary

> commentary on post-election events in the Mid-west:

> >

> >http://michiganimc.org/feature/display/7644/index.php

> >

> >Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote:

> >Want to see something scary? Especially the graphs.

> >

> >http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

> " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " -----

>

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November 7, 2004

For the GOP there is also the earlier:

Feb 28, 1854

8 pm LMT

Ripon, Wisc.

The Moon and Horizon of which could be said to seize upon John

Kerry's (8:03 am) MC-Neptune in a stranglehold this year.

It's SSR angular Saturn squares the same points.

Dark*Star

_____

JOHN TWB wrote:

> and the Republicans on July 6, 1854 @ Jackson, Michigan, a Thursday

mid-afternoon, at which the national party's stile was there first adopted as

well .....

November 7, 2004

John,

There seems to be a few possibilities floating around as regards party

births. For example, I have seen May 13 1792 for the Democrats. This is

one reason why we don't see more analyses that use them.

Your comment on JFK's fraud is well taken but illustrative as well. Whatever

fraud was committed on Nov 2, it is highly unlikely that it will ever see

the light of day. Cheating at elections is an American obsession it seems

(remember that old saw: " if you ain't cheatin', you ain't trying' " ). And if

it never comes to light, then it becomes fodder for underground conspiracy

movement. Interesting, compelling, but a dead end.

That said, I'm still thinking that the Saturn to Mercury hit must manifest

somehow and an electoral fraud scandal would be a good fit.

Lets see what happens.

Chris

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" JOHN TWB " <jtwbjakarta

Sunday, November 07, 2004 2:30 AM

Florida Statistics & Ohio Strife

A comment well said Chris...

However and nonetheless, I don't think I 'm just showing my age for

recalling how JFK won all the Electoral votes in Illinois in 1960 by good

old fashioned local political machine-directed fraud. And as Illinois went

that election day, so was tipped the balance in the nation's choice against

candidate Nixon that year. .... History may or may not have repeated itself

in this regard last Tuesday in Ohio or elsewhere.

But while I'm on the line here, I want to additionally say to the Group that

I'm surprised that I have yet to see, in any of the astrology groups I

follow, even one mundane analysis of the synastries between national

political party and presidential candidate. As in the possibility in any

given contest that a strong party/marginal candidate may trump a weak

party/attractive candidate. The exclusive horoscopic focus of attention on

Bush and Kerry (Edwards/Cheney) might understandably leave one with the

impression that what we witnessed last Tuesday was only the likes of a

medieval joust and not a Presidential Election orchestrated by two national

political parties.

Regardless of whether or not Ed Kohout's dark, but for me healthy,

suspicions are at all justified, I think one ought to look more closely at

party orchestrations, not just at the character potential and destiny of

each of the main personalities.

P.S. .. By my lonesome reckoning, each of the two national political parties

was born at the time of a national platform adoption at a party nominating

convention: the Democrats on May 27, 1844 @ Baltimore, MD, a Monday

mid-afternoon, when the nomination of James Polk and the platform adoption

included a plank formalizing the party's name change to the party's " stile "

as we recognize it today; and the Republicans on July 6, 1854 @ Jackson,

Michigan, a Thursday mid-afternoon, at which the national party's stile was

there first adopted as well ..... Just something to consider ... (The

co-incident Republican party/George Bush birthday of July 6th must amount to

something in the cosmic scheme of things).

Thanks Chris, JOHN here

Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote:

John, Therese and List,

While I'm sure there was some measure of vote fraud going on in the election

(just like there always is), I'm unsure how decisive it was.

The main point for conspiracy oriented folks have to address first is why

did Bush's share of the popular vote increase in the states he lost this

time over 2000.

Take a look at Bush's popular vote count in a few of Kerry's states:

2000 2004

California 42% 44%

Michigan 46% 48%

New York 35% 40%

New Jersey 40% 46%

Massachusetts 33% 37%

Connecticut 38% 44%

Rhode Island 32% 39%

I think it is highly unlikely to think that the Republicans would have

bothered with vote fraud in these clearly Kerry states, with the possible

exception of NJ. So if these are authentic results, it shows that Bush's

popularity went up over 2000 across the country.

So is it so hard to believe that he actually outpolled Kerry in the

battleground states?

So far, not a peep out of Michael Moore on this issue.

Chris

-

" Therese Hamilton " <eastwest

Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:59 PM

Re: Florida Statistics

>

> John,

>

> And of course nothing of this was televised. Thanks for the link. I can't

> believe that lawyers aren't working on Ohio and Florida through day and

> night. In the meantime...my blood runs cold as everything our country was

> built on seems to be dying. Please everyone, check out the two links below

> and do some printouts. How long before these stories won't be allowed on

> the web? Televised reports are already compromised.

>

> Therese

>

> At 05:57 PM 11/6/04 +0000, John wrote:

> >

> >Apropos Ed Kohout's provocative messages, please review this scary

> commentary on post-election events in the Mid-west:

> >

> >http://michiganimc.org/feature/display/7644/index.php

> >

> >Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote:

> >Want to see something scary? Especially the graphs.

> >

> >http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

> " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " -----

>

> Post message:

> Subscribe: -

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November 7, 2004

Chris and John

I have family in OH. The local campaigning there was fierce. My family

historically Dem was split between them. Part of the split was caused by

Clinton throwing open the gates to send jobs overseas and NAFTA. Big

blue-collar middle class family that felt betrayed. Some felt that if the

Dem was going to this inthe past, and W helped impose the steel tarrifs for

about 2 years after he took office, he had at least helped them. Kerry in

that respect suffered from the false promises of the Dem before him and

Bush, the face of a man that helped steel was probably helped by the

vigorous campaign there.

just a thought, not a significant poll...and if exit polls are so good, why

were they so wrong. Or, were the exit polls right and reported wrong early

in the day? Or, do folks who voted for W just have a fear of pollsters

because of the publicised verabl attacks made on other Reps during early

voting. Or, were the questions worded in such a way thatfolks who voted for

Kerry also did so because of what they felt are morals or values?

Let's all be leary of both parties...they've become behemoths with 527 funds

flowing in every direction...and none of it positive.

just musing

c

JOHN TWB [jtwbjakarta]

Sunday, November 07, 2004 1:30 AM

Florida Statistics & Ohio Strife

A comment well said Chris...

However and nonetheless, I don't think I 'm just showing my age for

recalling how JFK won all the Electoral votes in Illinois in 1960 by good

old fashioned local political machine-directed fraud. And as Illinois went

that election day, so was tipped the balance in the nation's choice against

candidate Nixon that year. .... History may or may not have repeated itself

in this regard last Tuesday in Ohio or elsewhere.

But while I'm on the line here, I want to additionally say to the Group

that I'm surprised that I have yet to see, in any of the astrology groups I

follow, even one mundane analysis of the synastries between national

political party and presidential candidate. As in the possibility in any

given contest that a strong party/marginal candidate may trump a weak

party/attractive candidate. The exclusive horoscopic focus of attention on

Bush and Kerry (Edwards/Cheney) might understandably leave one with the

impression that what we witnessed last Tuesday was only the likes of a

medieval joust and not a Presidential Election orchestrated by two national

political parties.

Regardless of whether or not Ed Kohout's dark, but for me healthy,

suspicions are at all justified, I think one ought to look more closely at

party orchestrations, not just at the character potential and destiny of

each of the main personalities.

P.S. .. By my lonesome reckoning, each of the two national political

parties was born at the time of a national platform adoption at a party

nominating convention: the Democrats on May 27, 1844 @ Baltimore, MD, a

Monday mid-afternoon, when the nomination of James Polk and the platform

adoption included a plank formalizing the party's name change to the party's

" stile " as we recognize it today; and the Republicans on July 6, 1854 @

Jackson, Michigan, a Thursday mid-afternoon, at which the national party's

stile was there first adopted as well ..... Just something to consider ...

(The co-incident Republican party/George Bush birthday of July 6th must

amount to something in the cosmic scheme of things).

Thanks Chris, JOHN here

Christopher Kevill <christopher.kevill wrote:

John, Therese and List,

While I'm sure there was some measure of vote fraud going on in the

election

(just like there always is), I'm unsure how decisive it was.

The main point for conspiracy oriented folks have to address first is why

did Bush's share of the popular vote increase in the states he lost this

time over 2000.

Take a look at Bush's popular vote count in a few of Kerry's states:

2000 2004

California 42% 44%

Michigan 46% 48%

New York 35% 40%

New Jersey 40% 46%

Massachusetts 33% 37%

Connecticut 38% 44%

Rhode Island 32% 39%

I think it is highly unlikely to think that the Republicans would have

bothered with vote fraud in these clearly Kerry states, with the possible

exception of NJ. So if these are authentic results, it shows that Bush's

popularity went up over 2000 across the country.

So is it so hard to believe that he actually outpolled Kerry in the

battleground states?

So far, not a peep out of Michael Moore on this issue.

Chris

-

" Therese Hamilton " <eastwest

Saturday, November 06, 2004 2:59 PM

Re: Florida Statistics

>

> John,

>

> And of course nothing of this was televised. Thanks for the link. I

can't

> believe that lawyers aren't working on Ohio and Florida through day and

> night. In the meantime...my blood runs cold as everything our country

was

> built on seems to be dying. Please everyone, check out the two links

below

> and do some printouts. How long before these stories won't be allowed on

> the web? Televised reports are already compromised.

>

> Therese

>

> At 05:57 PM 11/6/04 +0000, John wrote:

> >

> >Apropos Ed Kohout's provocative messages, please review this scary

> commentary on post-election events in the Mid-west:

> >

> >http://michiganimc.org/feature/display/7644/index.php

> >

> >Therese Hamilton <eastwest wrote:

> >Want to see something scary? Especially the graphs.

> >

> >http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm

> >

>

> " How can Pluto be in Sagittarius when it's so close to Antares? " -----

>

> Post message:

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November 7, 2004

Cynthia,

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" cynthianovak " <cynthianovak

Sunday, November 07, 2004 9:46 AM

RE: Florida Statistics & Ohio Strife