Silver bangle

May 8, 2007

, " devikadhillon "

<devikadhillon wrote:

>

> What is the significance of a silver bangle in Lal Kitab remedies?

>

Is it as a remedy in case of Mangal/Mars in 4th house which if manda

one needs to do upayas for moon and wearing a silver bangle / bracelet

on wrist (at least for 43 days) is helpful? I am new to the subject, so

please excuse me if I have got it wrong.

May 13, 2007

Respected Sanjeev ji,

As you said, you are new to subject. it is my suggestion to you to

learn the grammar portion , Khana Wise Ashian, Ashian of planets

first.

You have asked about the remedy.Let me explain as I know little about

it.

Silver is the ashian of Moon. Arm belongs to Mangal Nek and most

probable is of Khana No 3 Ashian. As it is said in LalKitab, Moon in

Third House make Mangal Bud to Mangal nek.

In my opinion, if there is a posibility of Mars becoming Bad , then

this remedy shall be prescribed.

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

- In , " Sanjiv Verma " <sverma

wrote:

>

> , " devikadhillon "

> <devikadhillon@> wrote:

> >

> > What is the significance of a silver bangle in Lal Kitab

remedies?

> >

>

> Is it as a remedy in case of Mangal/Mars in 4th house which if

manda

> one needs to do upayas for moon and wearing a silver bangle /

bracelet

> on wrist (at least for 43 days) is helpful? I am new to the

subject, so

> please excuse me if I have got it wrong.

>

May 13, 2007

Respected Nirmal Ji,

Many thanks for your guidance. I will closely follow your

instructions. Like in any new discipline, one needs to keep on

learning and unlearning and re-learning the subject/texts.

Thanks once again.

Sanjiv

, " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj "

<nirbhar wrote:

>

> Respected Sanjeev ji,

> As you said, you are new to subject. it is my suggestion to you to

> learn the grammar portion , Khana Wise Ashian, Ashian of planets

> first.

> You have asked about the remedy.Let me explain as I know little

about

> it.

> Silver is the ashian of Moon. Arm belongs to Mangal Nek and most

> probable is of Khana No 3 Ashian. As it is said in LalKitab, Moon

in

> Third House make Mangal Bud to Mangal nek.

> In my opinion, if there is a posibility of Mars becoming Bad , then

> this remedy shall be prescribed.

>

> Regards

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

>

> - In , " Sanjiv Verma " <sverma@>

> wrote:

> >

> > , " devikadhillon "

> > <devikadhillon@> wrote:

> > >

> > > What is the significance of a silver bangle in Lal Kitab

> remedies?

> > >

> >

> > Is it as a remedy in case of Mangal/Mars in 4th house which if

> manda

> > one needs to do upayas for moon and wearing a silver bangle /

> bracelet

> > on wrist (at least for 43 days) is helpful? I am new to the

> subject, so

> > please excuse me if I have got it wrong.

> >

>

May 16, 2007

TO SH SANJEEV VERMA NIRMAL GI HAS TRIED HIS BEST TO ANSWER YOU.BUT IN MY VIEW THERE ARE SO MANY ANGELS WHICH ARE UNKNOWN TO US WHILE DECIDING THE UPAY. PERPHAPS PANDIT GI HAS NOT MENTIONED THIS UPAY ANYWHERE .ONLY SUMAT PARSAD GI HAS MENTIONED THIS UPAY IN HIS BOOK. WE SHOULD NOT FORGET THE WARNING OF PANDIT GI GIIVEN IN HIS BOOK .MORE DETAIL IS REQUIRED FROM THE LEARNED MASTERS WITH THEIR VALUABLE PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE. ( I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF UPAY .IT IS A GENERAL OBSERVATION) PARDEEPKUMAR SHARMA Sanjiv Verma <sverma wrote: Respected Nirmal Ji,Many thanks for your guidance. I

will closely follow your instructions. Like in any new discipline, one needs to keep on learning and unlearning and re-learning the subject/texts.Thanks once again.Sanjiv , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" <nirbhar wrote:>> Respected Sanjeev ji,> As you said, you are new to subject. it is my suggestion to you to > learn the grammar portion , Khana Wise Ashian, Ashian of planets > first. > You have asked about the remedy.Let me explain as I know little about > it.> Silver is the ashian of Moon. Arm belongs to Mangal Nek and most > probable is of Khana No 3 Ashian. As it is said in LalKitab, Moon in > Third House make Mangal Bud to Mangal nek.> In my opinion, if there is a posibility of Mars becoming Bad , then > this remedy shall be prescribed.

> > Regards> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > > - In , "Sanjiv Verma" <sverma@> > wrote:> >> > , "devikadhillon" > > <devikadhillon@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > What is the significance of a silver bangle in Lal Kitab > remedies?> > >> > > > Is it as a remedy in case of Mangal/Mars in 4th house which if > manda > > one needs to do upayas for moon and wearing a silver bangle / > bracelet > > on wrist (at least for 43 days) is helpful? I am new to the > subject, so > > please excuse me if I have got it wrong.>

>>

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May 16, 2007

Respected Nirmal ji & Pradip ji

Pradip ji u r saying absolutly right.The silver bangle remedy has

been written for Venus in 9th (Red Painted silver bangle).As Nirmal

ji says ,that may be beneficial also in case of Mangal Bad ,but if

Ketu or Moon + Ketu would be in 9th ,this remedy can be

harmful.Still more deep insight & study is needed.I explained my

view only.

With Regards

Lalkitabee

V.K.Shukla

, PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA

<lalkitab_l wrote:

>

> TO SH SANJEEV VERMA

>

> NIRMAL GI HAS TRIED HIS BEST TO ANSWER YOU.BUT IN MY VIEW THERE

ARE SO MANY ANGELS WHICH ARE UNKNOWN TO US WHILE DECIDING THE UPAY.

PERPHAPS PANDIT GI HAS NOT MENTIONED THIS UPAY ANYWHERE .ONLY SUMAT

PARSAD GI HAS MENTIONED THIS UPAY IN HIS BOOK. WE SHOULD NOT FORGET

THE WARNING OF PANDIT GI GIIVEN IN HIS BOOK .MORE DETAIL IS REQUIRED

FROM THE LEARNED MASTERS WITH THEIR VALUABLE PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE.

>

> ( I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF UPAY .IT IS A GENERAL OBSERVATION)

>

PARDEEPKUMAR SHARMA

>

> Sanjiv Verma <sverma wrote:

> Respected Nirmal Ji,

>

> Many thanks for your guidance. I will closely follow your

> instructions. Like in any new discipline, one needs to keep on

> learning and unlearning and re-learning the subject/texts.

>

> Thanks once again.

>

> Sanjiv

>

> , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj "

> <nirbhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sanjeev ji,

> > As you said, you are new to subject. it is my suggestion to you

to

> > learn the grammar portion , Khana Wise Ashian, Ashian of planets

> > first.

> > You have asked about the remedy.Let me explain as I know little

> about

> > it.

> > Silver is the ashian of Moon. Arm belongs to Mangal Nek and most

> > probable is of Khana No 3 Ashian. As it is said in LalKitab,

Moon

> in

> > Third House make Mangal Bud to Mangal nek.

> > In my opinion, if there is a posibility of Mars becoming Bad ,

then

> > this remedy shall be prescribed.

> >

> > Regards

> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> >

> > - In , " Sanjiv Verma " <sverma@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > , " devikadhillon "

> > > <devikadhillon@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > What is the significance of a silver bangle in Lal Kitab

> > remedies?

> > > >

> > >

> > > Is it as a remedy in case of Mangal/Mars in 4th house which if

> > manda

> > > one needs to do upayas for moon and wearing a silver bangle /

> > bracelet

> > > on wrist (at least for 43 days) is helpful? I am new to the

> > subject, so

> > > please excuse me if I have got it wrong.

> > >

> >

> Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers

>

May 16, 2007

, PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA

<lalkitab_l wrote:

Respected Pradeep Ji,

You are absolutely right. This remedy is devised by some good old

samaritan keeping in view of the LK principles. As far as I remember

there is no mention of such remedy in LalKitab.

in my previous mail, I have only given my opinion about the logic of

this remedy. Before prescribing any remedy, we must verify every

angle/aspect of the principles of LalKitab as much as possible.

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

>

> TO SH SANJEEV VERMA

>

> NIRMAL GI HAS TRIED HIS BEST TO ANSWER YOU.BUT IN MY VIEW THERE

ARE SO MANY ANGELS WHICH ARE UNKNOWN TO US WHILE DECIDING THE UPAY.

PERPHAPS PANDIT GI HAS NOT MENTIONED THIS UPAY ANYWHERE .ONLY SUMAT

PARSAD GI HAS MENTIONED THIS UPAY IN HIS BOOK. WE SHOULD NOT FORGET

THE WARNING OF PANDIT GI GIIVEN IN HIS BOOK .MORE DETAIL IS REQUIRED

FROM THE LEARNED MASTERS WITH THEIR VALUABLE PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE.

>

> ( I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF UPAY .IT IS A GENERAL OBSERVATION)

>

PARDEEPKUMAR SHARMA

>

> Sanjiv Verma <sverma wrote:

> Respected Nirmal Ji,

>

> Many thanks for your guidance. I will closely follow your

> instructions. Like in any new discipline, one needs to keep on

> learning and unlearning and re-learning the subject/texts.

>

> Thanks once again.

>

> Sanjiv

>

> , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj "

> <nirbhar@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Sanjeev ji,

> > As you said, you are new to subject. it is my suggestion to you

to

> > learn the grammar portion , Khana Wise Ashian, Ashian of planets

> > first.

> > You have asked about the remedy.Let me explain as I know little

> about

> > it.

> > Silver is the ashian of Moon. Arm belongs to Mangal Nek and most

> > probable is of Khana No 3 Ashian. As it is said in LalKitab, Moon

> in

> > Third House make Mangal Bud to Mangal nek.

> > In my opinion, if there is a posibility of Mars becoming Bad ,

then

> > this remedy shall be prescribed.

> >

> > Regards

> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> >

> > - In , " Sanjiv Verma " <sverma@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > , " devikadhillon "

> > > <devikadhillon@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > What is the significance of a silver bangle in Lal Kitab

> > remedies?

> > > >

> > >

> > > Is it as a remedy in case of Mangal/Mars in 4th house which if

> > manda

> > > one needs to do upayas for moon and wearing a silver bangle /

> > bracelet

> > > on wrist (at least for 43 days) is helpful? I am new to the

> > subject, so

> > > please excuse me if I have got it wrong.

> > >

> >

> Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers

>

May 17, 2007

THANKS NIRMALGI AND LALKITABI GIWE MAY ALSO REFER MANGALSHUKAR(MUSTERAKA)IN 1952 BOOK. PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMAlalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote: Respected Nirmal ji & Pradip jiPradip ji u r saying absolutly right.The silver bangle remedy has been written for Venus in 9th (Red Painted silver bangle).As Nirmal ji says ,that may be beneficial also in case of Mangal Bad ,but if Ketu or Moon + Ketu would be in 9th ,this remedy can be harmful.Still more deep insight & study is

needed.I explained my view only.With RegardsLalkitabeeV.K.Shukla , PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA <lalkitab_l wrote:>> TO SH SANJEEV VERMA> > NIRMAL GI HAS TRIED HIS BEST TO ANSWER YOU.BUT IN MY VIEW THERE ARE SO MANY ANGELS WHICH ARE UNKNOWN TO US WHILE DECIDING THE UPAY. PERPHAPS PANDIT GI HAS NOT MENTIONED THIS UPAY ANYWHERE .ONLY SUMAT PARSAD GI HAS MENTIONED THIS UPAY IN HIS BOOK. WE SHOULD NOT FORGET THE WARNING OF PANDIT GI GIIVEN IN HIS BOOK .MORE DETAIL IS REQUIRED FROM THE LEARNED MASTERS WITH THEIR VALUABLE PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE. > > ( I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF UPAY .IT IS A GENERAL OBSERVATION)> PARDEEPKUMAR SHARMA> > Sanjiv Verma <sverma wrote:> Respected Nirmal Ji,> > Many thanks for your guidance. I will closely follow

your > instructions. Like in any new discipline, one needs to keep on > learning and unlearning and re-learning the subject/texts.> > Thanks once again.> > Sanjiv> > , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" > <nirbhar@> wrote:> >> > Respected Sanjeev ji,> > As you said, you are new to subject. it is my suggestion to you to > > learn the grammar portion , Khana Wise Ashian, Ashian of planets > > first. > > You have asked about the remedy.Let me explain as I know little > about > > it.> > Silver is the ashian of Moon. Arm belongs to Mangal Nek and most > > probable is of Khana No 3 Ashian. As it is said in LalKitab, Moon > in > > Third House make Mangal Bud to Mangal nek.> > In my opinion, if

there is a posibility of Mars becoming Bad , then > > this remedy shall be prescribed. > > > > Regards> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > > > > > - In , "Sanjiv Verma" <sverma@> > > wrote:> > >> > > , "devikadhillon" > > > <devikadhillon@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > What is the significance of a silver bangle in Lal Kitab > > remedies?> > > >> > > > > > Is it as a remedy in case of Mangal/Mars in 4th house which if > > manda > > > one needs to do upayas for moon and wearing a silver bangle / > > bracelet > > >

on wrist (at least for 43 days) is helpful? I am new to the > > subject, so > > > please excuse me if I have got it wrong.> > >> >> > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers>

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May 17, 2007

thanx guruji for showing this angle. these fine aspects can only be

learned by experience like urs or if someone like u is benevolent

enough to share them.

kulbir bains---

In , " lalkitabee " <lalkitabee

wrote:

>

> Respected Nirmal ji & Pradip ji

> Pradip ji u r saying absolutly right.The silver bangle remedy has

> been written for Venus in 9th (Red Painted silver bangle).As

Nirmal

> ji says ,that may be beneficial also in case of Mangal Bad ,but if

> Ketu or Moon + Ketu would be in 9th ,this remedy can be

> harmful.Still more deep insight & study is needed.I explained my

> view only.

> With Regards

> Lalkitabee

> V.K.Shukla

> , PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA

> <lalkitab_l@> wrote:

> >

> > TO SH SANJEEV VERMA

> >

> > NIRMAL GI HAS TRIED HIS BEST TO ANSWER YOU.BUT IN MY VIEW

THERE

> ARE SO MANY ANGELS WHICH ARE UNKNOWN TO US WHILE DECIDING THE

UPAY.

> PERPHAPS PANDIT GI HAS NOT MENTIONED THIS UPAY ANYWHERE .ONLY

SUMAT

> PARSAD GI HAS MENTIONED THIS UPAY IN HIS BOOK. WE SHOULD NOT

FORGET

> THE WARNING OF PANDIT GI GIIVEN IN HIS BOOK .MORE DETAIL IS

REQUIRED

> FROM THE LEARNED MASTERS WITH THEIR VALUABLE PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE.

> >

> > ( I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF UPAY .IT IS A GENERAL OBSERVATION)

>

> PARDEEPKUMAR SHARMA

> >

> > Sanjiv Verma <sverma@> wrote:

> > Respected Nirmal Ji,

> >

> > Many thanks for your guidance. I will closely follow your

> > instructions. Like in any new discipline, one needs to keep on

> > learning and unlearning and re-learning the subject/texts.

> >

> > Thanks once again.

> >

> > Sanjiv

> >

> > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj "

> > <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sanjeev ji,

> > > As you said, you are new to subject. it is my suggestion to

you

> to

> > > learn the grammar portion , Khana Wise Ashian, Ashian of

planets

> > > first.

> > > You have asked about the remedy.Let me explain as I know

little

> > about

> > > it.

> > > Silver is the ashian of Moon. Arm belongs to Mangal Nek and

most

> > > probable is of Khana No 3 Ashian. As it is said in LalKitab,

> Moon

> > in

> > > Third House make Mangal Bud to Mangal nek.

> > > In my opinion, if there is a posibility of Mars becoming Bad ,

> then

> > > this remedy shall be prescribed.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > - In , " Sanjiv Verma " <sverma@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > , " devikadhillon "

> > > > <devikadhillon@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the significance of a silver bangle in Lal Kitab

> > > remedies?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Is it as a remedy in case of Mangal/Mars in 4th house which

if

> > > manda

> > > > one needs to do upayas for moon and wearing a silver

bangle /

> > > bracelet

> > > > on wrist (at least for 43 days) is helpful? I am new to the

> > > subject, so

> > > > please excuse me if I have got it wrong.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for -

Answers

> >

>

May 17, 2007

Thanks Pardeep Ji for your most valuable guidance for learner like us and one must see the position of other planets as mentioned in 1952 edtion about the shukar no 9 and mangal shukar mushtarka in no. 9 before apply this. Please you must guide us time to time . Bhupesh sharmaPARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA <lalkitab_l wrote: THANKS NIRMALGI AND LALKITABI GIWE MAY ALSO REFER MANGALSHUKAR(MUSTERAKA)IN 1952 BOOK. PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMAlalkitabee

<lalkitabee > wrote: Respected Nirmal ji & Pradip jiPradip ji u r saying absolutly right.The silver bangle remedy has been written for Venus in 9th (Red Painted silver bangle).As Nirmal ji says ,that may be beneficial also in case of Mangal Bad ,but if Ketu or Moon + Ketu would be in 9th ,this remedy can be harmful.Still more deep insight & study is needed.I explained my view only.With RegardsLalkitabeeV.K.Shukla , PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA <lalkitab_l wrote:>> TO SH SANJEEV VERMA> > NIRMAL GI HAS TRIED HIS BEST TO ANSWER YOU.BUT IN MY VIEW THERE ARE SO MANY ANGELS WHICH ARE UNKNOWN TO US WHILE DECIDING THE UPAY.

PERPHAPS PANDIT GI HAS NOT MENTIONED THIS UPAY ANYWHERE .ONLY SUMAT PARSAD GI HAS MENTIONED THIS UPAY IN HIS BOOK. WE SHOULD NOT FORGET THE WARNING OF PANDIT GI GIIVEN IN HIS BOOK .MORE DETAIL IS REQUIRED FROM THE LEARNED MASTERS WITH THEIR VALUABLE PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE. > > ( I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF UPAY .IT IS A GENERAL OBSERVATION)> PARDEEPKUMAR SHARMA> > Sanjiv Verma <sverma wrote:> Respected Nirmal Ji,> > Many thanks for your guidance. I will closely follow your > instructions. Like in any new discipline, one needs to keep on > learning and unlearning and re-learning the subject/texts.> > Thanks once again.> > Sanjiv> > , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" > <nirbhar@> wrote:> >> > Respected Sanjeev

ji,> > As you said, you are new to subject. it is my suggestion to you to > > learn the grammar portion , Khana Wise Ashian, Ashian of planets > > first. > > You have asked about the remedy.Let me explain as I know little > about > > it.> > Silver is the ashian of Moon. Arm belongs to Mangal Nek and most > > probable is of Khana No 3 Ashian. As it is said in LalKitab, Moon > in > > Third House make Mangal Bud to Mangal nek.> > In my opinion, if there is a posibility of Mars becoming Bad , then > > this remedy shall be prescribed. > > > > Regards> > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > > > > > - In , "Sanjiv Verma" <sverma@> > > wrote:> > >> > > , "devikadhillon" > > > <devikadhillon@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > What is the significance of a silver bangle in Lal Kitab > > remedies?> > > >> > > > > > Is it as a remedy in case of Mangal/Mars in 4th house which if > > manda > > > one needs to do upayas for moon and wearing a silver bangle / > > bracelet > > > on wrist (at least for 43 days) is helpful? I am new to the > > subject, so > > > please excuse me if I have got it wrong.> > >> >> > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers> Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to download CHAT? Here's a solution!

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May 31, 2007

Respected Gurujans,

Sadar Pranaam...

This is my first message in the fourum and i am submitting my humble

view with regards to the Silver Bangle Upai for Mangal in 4th house.

I have gone through almost all the debate that was done by the group

members on the topic of € ©’³‘©mportance of Silver Bangle with Bronze

Nail (tambe ki keel) in it€ ©’´, ‘×hen Mars is in 4th house. As per Lal

Kitab Gutka, it is said Mangal in 4th is a kind of fire (Jali anokhi

aanch) which can even € ©’³‘Âurn€ ©’´ ‘Æire itself € ©’¶ ‘Èere the fire is referred

to the fire of burning pyre which normally burns a dead body

(Shamshan ki aag ko bhi jala de). Now, I believe that Mars in the

4th house is just like a volcano (Please note the temperature

difference between the Lava and the normal fire. The Lava is at 700-

1250 degrees hot, whereas a normal fire is around 300-350 degree.

So, technically speaking, it means that the fire of Lava can burn

the normal fire itself). This is what the characteristic of Mars of

4th house is.

Now, comes the Upai Part. Panditji, suggests that one should wear

Silver Bangle (or bracelet) to cool off Mars. Later he suggests that

Bronze Nail (Tambe ki keel) would be more helpful as compared to

Silver Bangle alone. Now, it is known that Silver is related to

Moon. But, what type of Moon? If we consider the characteristics of

Moon, then, Silver can be related to Water or Natural Water or River

(Pani ka Darya), i.e., Drinkable Water (meetha pani € ©’¶ ‘Ðeene layak).

And, if we compare € ©’³‘³ilver bangle€ ©’´, ‘×ith € ©’³‘³ilver bangle with bronze

nail€ ©’´, ‘Ôhen, how is the bangle with bronze nail different to that of

normal silver bangle???

Now, we know that bronze is of Sun. Now, we have to isolate as what

is the significance of bronze in this entire episode. Bronze, here

is taken to be similar in significance as that of Salt (which is

also of Sun). Now, if we add Salt in Water, then the characteristic

of Moon changes from € ©’³‘°ani Ka Darya€ ©’´ ‘Ôo € ©’³‘³amandar Ka Paani€ ©’´ (‘×e all

know that sea water is saline). In this regard, applying the bronze

nail means that now, we are not taking help of normal moon (Pani ka

Darya), but, we are taking help from Salty Moon (Samandar Ka Paani).

But, now, the question arises as why did Panditji say that Silver

bangle with bronze nail is better than silver bangle without bronze

nail???

The reason is quite scientific. We all know that the flow of Lava is

stopped only by Water (Moon). Now, consider Lava flowing into

Natural fresh water lake (Meetha Paani € ©’¶ ‘×ithout salt), the lava

will go into that lake and the water will start evaporating thereby

cooling the Lava. So, will happen in case of Lava flowing in Sea

Water. But, the difference lies in € ©’³‘³alt€ ©’´ ‘Étself. It is proved that

if we mix salt in water, the heat absorbing property of water is

enhanced considerably and water can take more heat. Normal Water

boil at 100 degrees and starts evaporating at 101 degrees. But,

salty water boils at 101 degrees and evaporates at 102 degrees. Now,

this happens because, the salt present in Water help it to absorb

more heat and in addition of absorbing, it also helps in spreading

heat throughout the water (dissipation of heat), which helps less

evaporation and thereby saline water is much more efficient in case

of Lava or volcano and this might be the reason that Panditji said

that bronze nail (tambe ki keel) would be better in silver bangle.

Now, in Lal Kitab, there is a condition given, in which it says that

if Mars is in 4th house, and if Moon is in 10th house, then that

native does not have to worry about 4th house Mars as in this

condition, the Mars stands Nullified. So, no upai is needed in this

case.

Respected Gurujans, this is what I think and believe is the logic

behind the upai of silver bangle/bracelet. I will be greatly

honoured if you would correct me if I am wrong as it will surely

help me and all other group members to understand the basics that

were followed by the respected Panditji in creating upais...

Thanks & Regards,

Sumit Bansal.

, bhupesh sharma

<bhupeshastro wrote:

>

> Thanks Pardeep Ji for your most valuable guidance for learner

like us and one must see the position of other planets as

mentioned in 1952 edtion about the shukar no 9 and mangal shukar

mushtarka in no. 9 before apply this. Please you must guide us time

to time .

>

> Bhupesh sharma

>

> PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA <lalkitab_l

wrote:

> THANKS NIRMALGI AND LALKITABI GI

> WE MAY ALSO REFER MANGALSHUKAR(MUSTERAKA)IN 1952 BOOK.

> PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA

> lalkitabee <lalkitabee wrote:

> Respected Nirmal ji & Pradip ji

> Pradip ji u r saying absolutly right.The silver bangle remedy has

> been written for Venus in 9th (Red Painted silver bangle).As

Nirmal

> ji says ,that may be beneficial also in case of Mangal Bad ,but if

> Ketu or Moon + Ketu would be in 9th ,this remedy can be

> harmful.Still more deep insight & study is needed.I explained my

> view only.

> With Regards

> Lalkitabee

> V.K.Shukla

> , PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA

> <lalkitab_l@> wrote:

> >

> > TO SH SANJEEV VERMA

> >

> > NIRMAL GI HAS TRIED HIS BEST TO ANSWER YOU.BUT IN MY VIEW THERE

> ARE SO MANY ANGELS WHICH ARE UNKNOWN TO US WHILE DECIDING THE

UPAY.

> PERPHAPS PANDIT GI HAS NOT MENTIONED THIS UPAY ANYWHERE .ONLY

SUMAT

> PARSAD GI HAS MENTIONED THIS UPAY IN HIS BOOK. WE SHOULD NOT

FORGET

> THE WARNING OF PANDIT GI GIIVEN IN HIS BOOK .MORE DETAIL IS

REQUIRED

> FROM THE LEARNED MASTERS WITH THEIR VALUABLE PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE.

> >

> > ( I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF UPAY .IT IS A GENERAL OBSERVATION)

> >

> PARDEEPKUMAR SHARMA

> >

> > Sanjiv Verma <sverma@> wrote:

> > Respected Nirmal Ji,

> >

> > Many thanks for your guidance. I will closely follow your

> > instructions. Like in any new discipline, one needs to keep on

> > learning and unlearning and re-learning the subject/texts.

> >

> > Thanks once again.

> >

> > Sanjiv

> >

> > , " Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj "

> > <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Sanjeev ji,

> > > As you said, you are new to subject. it is my suggestion to

you

> to

> > > learn the grammar portion , Khana Wise Ashian, Ashian of

planets

> > > first.

> > > You have asked about the remedy.Let me explain as I know

little

> > about

> > > it.

> > > Silver is the ashian of Moon. Arm belongs to Mangal Nek and

most

> > > probable is of Khana No 3 Ashian. As it is said in LalKitab,

> Moon

> > in

> > > Third House make Mangal Bud to Mangal nek.

> > > In my opinion, if there is a posibility of Mars becoming

Bad ,

> then

> > > this remedy shall be prescribed.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > >

> > > - In , " Sanjiv Verma " <sverma@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > , " devikadhillon "

> > > > <devikadhillon@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > What is the significance of a silver bangle in Lal Kitab

> > > remedies?

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Is it as a remedy in case of Mangal/Mars in 4th house which

if

> > > manda

> > > > one needs to do upayas for moon and wearing a silver

bangle /

> > > bracelet

> > > > on wrist (at least for 43 days) is helpful? I am new to the

> > > subject, so

> > > > please excuse me if I have got it wrong.

> > > >

> > >

> >

> > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers

> >

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May 31, 2007

I am providing the message again as the previous message font got corrupted...

Respected Gurujans,

Sadar Pranaam... This is my first message in the fourum and i am submitting my humble view with regards to the Silver Bangle Upai for Mangal in 4th house.

I have gone through almost all the debate that was done by the group members on the topic of "Importance of Silver Bangle with Bronze Nail (tambe ki keel) in it", when Mars is in 4th house. As per Lal Kitab Gutka, it is said Mangal in 4th is a kind of fire (Jali anokhi aanch) which can even "burn" fire itself – here the fire is referred to the fire of burning pyre which normally burns a dead body (Shamshan ki aag ko bhi jala de). Now, I believe that Mars in the 4th house is just like a volcano (Please note the temperature difference between the Lava and the normal fire. The Lava is at 700-1250 degrees hot, whereas a normal fire is around 300-350 degree. So, technically speaking, it means that the fire of Lava can burn the normal fire itself). This is what the characteristic of Mars of 4th house is.

Now, comes the Upai Part. Panditji, suggests that one should wear Silver Bangle (or bracelet) to cool off Mars. Later he suggests that Bronze Nail (Tambe ki keel) would be more helpful as compared to Silver Bangle alone. Now, it is known that Silver is related to Moon. But, what type of Moon? If we consider the characteristics of Moon, then, Silver can be related to Water or Natural Water or River (Pani ka Darya), i.e., Drinkable Water (meetha pani – peene layak). And, if we compare "Silver bangle", with "Silver bangle with bronze nail", then, how is the bangle with bronze nail different to that of normal silver bangle.

Now, we know that bronze is of Sun. Now, we have to isolate as what is the significance of bronze in this entire episode. Bronze, here is take to be similar in significance as that of Salt (which is also of Sun). Now, if we add Salt in Water, then the characteristic of Moon changes from "Pani Ka Darya" to "Samandar Ka Paani" (we all know that sea water is saline). In this regard, applying the bronze nail means that now, we are not taking help of normal moon (Pani ka Darya), but, we are taking help from Salty Moon (Samandar Ka Paani).

But, now, the question arises as why did Panditji say that Silver bangle with bronze nail is better than silver bangle without bronze nail???

The reason is quite scientific. We all know that the flow of Lava is stopped only by Water (Moon). Now, consider Lava flowing into Natural fresh water lake (Meetha Paani – without salt), the lava will go into that lake and the water will start evaporating thereby cooling the Lava. So, will happen in case of Lava flowing in Sea Water. But, the difference lies in "Salt" itself. It is proved that if we mix salt in water, the heat absorbing property of water is enhanced considerably and water can take more heat. Normal Water boil at 100 degrees and starts evaporating at 101 degrees. But, salty water boils at 101 degrees and evaporates at 102 degrees. Now, this happens because, the salt present in Water help it to absorb more heat and in addition of absorbing, it also helps in spreading heat throughout the water (dissipation of heat), which helps less evaporation and thereby saline water is much more efficient in case of Lava or volcano and this might be the reason that Panditji said that bronze nail (tambe ki keel) would be better in silver bangle.

Now, in Lal Kitab, there is a condition given, in which it says that if Mars is in 4th house, and if Moon is in 10th house, then that native does not have to worry about 4th house Mars as in this condition, the Mars stands Nullified. So, no upai is needed in this case.

Respected Gurujans, this is what I think and believe is the logic behind the upai of silver bangle/bracelet. I will be greatly honoured if you would correct me if I am wrong as it will surely help me and all other group members to understand the basics that were followed by the respected Panditji in creating upais... Thanks & Regards, Sumit Bansal.

, "sumitbansal_81" <sumitbansal_81 wrote:>> Respected Gurujans, > > Sadar Pranaam...> > This is my first message in the fourum and i am submitting my humble > view with regards to the Silver Bangle Upai for Mangal in 4th house.> > I have gone through almost all the debate that was done by the group > members on the topic of € ©'³`©mportance of Silver Bangle with Bronze > Nail (tambe ki keel) in it€ ©'´, `×hen Mars is in 4th house. As per Lal > Kitab Gutka, it is said Mangal in 4th is a kind of fire (Jali anokhi > aanch) which can even € ©'³`Âurn€ ©'´ `Æire itself € ©'¶ `Èere the fire is referred > to the fire of burning pyre which normally burns a dead body > (Shamshan ki aag ko bhi jala de). Now, I believe that Mars in the > 4th house is just like a volcano (Please note the temperature > difference between the Lava and the normal fire. The Lava is at 700-> 1250 degrees hot, whereas a normal fire is around 300-350 degree. > So, technically speaking, it means that the fire of Lava can burn > the normal fire itself). This is what the characteristic of Mars of > 4th house is.> > Now, comes the Upai Part. Panditji, suggests that one should wear > Silver Bangle (or bracelet) to cool off Mars. Later he suggests that > Bronze Nail (Tambe ki keel) would be more helpful as compared to > Silver Bangle alone. Now, it is known that Silver is related to > Moon. But, what type of Moon? If we consider the characteristics of > Moon, then, Silver can be related to Water or Natural Water or River > (Pani ka Darya), i.e., Drinkable Water (meetha pani € ©'¶ `Ðeene layak). > And, if we compare € ©'³`³ilver bangle€ ©'´, `×ith € ©'³`³ilver bangle with bronze > nail€ ©'´, `Ôhen, how is the bangle with bronze nail different to that of > normal silver bangle??? > > Now, we know that bronze is of Sun. Now, we have to isolate as what > is the significance of bronze in this entire episode. Bronze, here > is taken to be similar in significance as that of Salt (which is > also of Sun). Now, if we add Salt in Water, then the characteristic > of Moon changes from € ©'³`°ani Ka Darya€ ©'´ `Ôo € ©'³`³amandar Ka Paani€ ©'´ (`×e all > know that sea water is saline). In this regard, applying the bronze > nail means that now, we are not taking help of normal moon (Pani ka > Darya), but, we are taking help from Salty Moon (Samandar Ka Paani). > > But, now, the question arises as why did Panditji say that Silver > bangle with bronze nail is better than silver bangle without bronze > nail???> > The reason is quite scientific. We all know that the flow of Lava is > stopped only by Water (Moon). Now, consider Lava flowing into > Natural fresh water lake (Meetha Paani € ©'¶ `×ithout salt), the lava > will go into that lake and the water will start evaporating thereby > cooling the Lava. So, will happen in case of Lava flowing in Sea > Water. But, the difference lies in € ©'³`³alt€ ©'´ `Étself. It is proved that > if we mix salt in water, the heat absorbing property of water is > enhanced considerably and water can take more heat. Normal Water > boil at 100 degrees and starts evaporating at 101 degrees. But, > salty water boils at 101 degrees and evaporates at 102 degrees. Now, > this happens because, the salt present in Water help it to absorb > more heat and in addition of absorbing, it also helps in spreading > heat throughout the water (dissipation of heat), which helps less > evaporation and thereby saline water is much more efficient in case > of Lava or volcano and this might be the reason that Panditji said > that bronze nail (tambe ki keel) would be better in silver bangle.> > Now, in Lal Kitab, there is a condition given, in which it says that > if Mars is in 4th house, and if Moon is in 10th house, then that > native does not have to worry about 4th house Mars as in this > condition, the Mars stands Nullified. So, no upai is needed in this > case.> > Respected Gurujans, this is what I think and believe is the logic > behind the upai of silver bangle/bracelet. I will be greatly > honoured if you would correct me if I am wrong as it will surely > help me and all other group members to understand the basics that > were followed by the respected Panditji in creating upais...> > Thanks & Regards,> Sumit Bansal.> > , bhupesh sharma > bhupeshastro@ wrote:> >> > Thanks Pardeep Ji for your most valuable guidance for learner > like us and one must see the position of other planets as > mentioned in 1952 edtion about the shukar no 9 and mangal shukar > mushtarka in no. 9 before apply this. Please you must guide us time > to time . > > > > Bhupesh sharma> > > > PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA lalkitab_l@ > wrote: > > THANKS NIRMALGI AND LALKITABI GI> > WE MAY ALSO REFER MANGALSHUKAR(MUSTERAKA)IN 1952 BOOK.> > PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA> > lalkitabee lalkitabee@ wrote:> > Respected Nirmal ji & Pradip ji> > Pradip ji u r saying absolutly right.The silver bangle remedy has > > been written for Venus in 9th (Red Painted silver bangle).As > Nirmal > > ji says ,that may be beneficial also in case of Mangal Bad ,but if > > Ketu or Moon + Ketu would be in 9th ,this remedy can be > > harmful.Still more deep insight & study is needed.I explained my > > view only.> > With Regards> > Lalkitabee> > V.K.Shukla > > , PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA > > <lalkitab_l@> wrote:> > >> > > TO SH SANJEEV VERMA> > > > > > NIRMAL GI HAS TRIED HIS BEST TO ANSWER YOU.BUT IN MY VIEW THERE > > ARE SO MANY ANGELS WHICH ARE UNKNOWN TO US WHILE DECIDING THE > UPAY. > > PERPHAPS PANDIT GI HAS NOT MENTIONED THIS UPAY ANYWHERE .ONLY > SUMAT > > PARSAD GI HAS MENTIONED THIS UPAY IN HIS BOOK. WE SHOULD NOT > FORGET > > THE WARNING OF PANDIT GI GIIVEN IN HIS BOOK .MORE DETAIL IS > REQUIRED > > FROM THE LEARNED MASTERS WITH THEIR VALUABLE PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE. > > > > > > ( I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF UPAY .IT IS A GENERAL OBSERVATION)> > > > > PARDEEPKUMAR SHARMA> > > > > > Sanjiv Verma <sverma@> wrote:> > > Respected Nirmal Ji,> > > > > > Many thanks for your guidance. I will closely follow your > > > instructions. Like in any new discipline, one needs to keep on > > > learning and unlearning and re-learning the subject/texts.> > > > > > Thanks once again.> > > > > > Sanjiv> > > > > > , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" > > > <nirbhar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Sanjeev ji,> > > > As you said, you are new to subject. it is my suggestion to > you > > to > > > > learn the grammar portion , Khana Wise Ashian, Ashian of > planets > > > > first. > > > > You have asked about the remedy.Let me explain as I know > little > > > about > > > > it.> > > > Silver is the ashian of Moon. Arm belongs to Mangal Nek and > most > > > > probable is of Khana No 3 Ashian. As it is said in LalKitab, > > Moon > > > in > > > > Third House make Mangal Bud to Mangal nek.> > > > In my opinion, if there is a posibility of Mars becoming > Bad , > > then > > > > this remedy shall be prescribed. > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > > > > > > > > > > > - In , "Sanjiv Verma" <sverma@> > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > , "devikadhillon" > > > > > <devikadhillon@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What is the significance of a silver bangle in Lal Kitab > > > > remedies?> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Is it as a remedy in case of Mangal/Mars in 4th house which > if > > > > manda > > > > > one needs to do upayas for moon and wearing a silver > bangle / > > > > bracelet > > > > > on wrist (at least for 43 days) is helpful? I am new to the > > > > subject, so > > > > > please excuse me if I have got it wrong.> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's a new way to find what you're looking for - Answers> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Office firewalls, cyber cafes, college labs, don't allow you to > download CHAT? Here's a solution! > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a vacation? Get great deals to amazing places on > Travel.> >>

May 31, 2007

DEAR SUMITA VERY GOOD MOMENT FOR ME TO SEE YOUR MAILWITH DEEP ANALYSIS(SWADHAYAYA GITA SAYS).ANALYSIS MAY BE WRONG OR WRIGHT .DONOT WORRY. MAIN THING IS CHINTAN, DEEP CHINTAN, MORE DEEP,DEEPER AND DEEPER..........CHINTAN HELPS IN CLEANSING THE LAYERS OF CHIT AND ULTIMATELY BRINGS CLOSER TO TRUTH.PLEASE GIVE A RETHINK TO MEANING JALI ANOKHI AANCH..............AGAIN REVIEW THE LOGIC BY SOME DIFFERENT ANGLE WITH A JOYFUL HEART PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMAsumitbansal_81 <sumitbansal_81 wrote: I am providing the message again as the previous message font got corrupted... Respected Gurujans, Sadar Pranaam... This is my first message in the fourum and i am submitting my humble view with regards to the Silver Bangle Upai for Mangal in 4th house. I have gone through almost all the debate that was done by the group members on the topic of "Importance of Silver Bangle with Bronze Nail (tambe ki keel) in it", when Mars is in 4th house. As per Lal Kitab Gutka, it is said Mangal in 4th is a kind of fire (Jali anokhi aanch) which can even "burn" fire itself – here the fire is referred to the fire of burning pyre which normally burns a dead body (Shamshan ki aag ko bhi jala de). Now, I believe that Mars in the 4th house is just like a volcano (Please note the temperature

difference between the Lava and the normal fire. The Lava is at 700-1250 degrees hot, whereas a normal fire is around 300-350 degree. So, technically speaking, it means that the fire of Lava can burn the normal fire itself). This is what the characteristic of Mars of 4th house is. Now, comes the Upai Part. Panditji, suggests that one should wear Silver Bangle (or bracelet) to cool off Mars. Later he suggests that Bronze Nail (Tambe ki keel) would be more helpful as compared to Silver Bangle alone. Now, it is known that Silver is related to Moon. But, what type of Moon? If we consider the characteristics of Moon, then, Silver can be related to Water or Natural Water or River (Pani ka Darya), i.e., Drinkable Water (meetha pani – peene layak). And, if we compare "Silver bangle", with "Silver bangle with bronze nail", then, how is the bangle with bronze nail different to that of normal

silver bangle. Now, we know that bronze is of Sun. Now, we have to isolate as what is the significance of bronze in this entire episode. Bronze, here is take to be similar in significance as that of Salt (which is also of Sun). Now, if we add Salt in Water, then the characteristic of Moon changes from "Pani Ka Darya" to "Samandar Ka Paani" (we all know that sea water is saline). In this regard, applying the bronze nail means that now, we are not taking help of normal moon (Pani ka Darya), but, we are taking help from Salty Moon (Samandar Ka Paani). But, now, the question arises as why did Panditji say that Silver bangle with bronze nail is better than silver bangle without bronze nail??? The reason is quite scientific. We

all know that the flow of Lava is stopped only by Water (Moon). Now, consider Lava flowing into Natural fresh water lake (Meetha Paani – without salt), the lava will go into that lake and the water will start evaporating thereby cooling the Lava. So, will happen in case of Lava flowing in Sea Water. But, the difference lies in "Salt" itself. It is proved that if we mix salt in water, the heat absorbing property of water is enhanced considerably and water can take more heat. Normal Water boil at 100 degrees and starts evaporating at 101 degrees. But, salty water boils at 101 degrees and evaporates at 102 degrees. Now, this happens because, the salt present in Water help it to absorb more heat and in addition of absorbing, it also helps in spreading heat throughout the water (dissipation of heat), which helps less evaporation and thereby saline water is much more efficient in case of Lava or volcano and this might be the reason that Panditji said that bronze nail (tambe ki

keel) would be better in silver bangle. Now, in Lal Kitab, there is a condition given, in which it says that if Mars is in 4th house, and if Moon is in 10th house, then that native does not have to worry about 4th house Mars as in this condition, the Mars stands Nullified. So, no upai is needed in this case. Respected Gurujans, this is what I think and believe is the logic behind the upai of silver bangle/bracelet. I will be greatly honoured if you would correct me if I am wrong as it will surely help me and all other group members to understand the basics that were followed by the respected Panditji in creating upais... Thanks & Regards, Sumit Bansal. , "sumitbansal_81" <sumitbansal_81

wrote:>> Respected Gurujans, > > Sadar Pranaam...> > This is my first message in the fourum and i am submitting my humble > view with regards to the Silver Bangle Upai for Mangal in 4th house.> > I have gone through almost all the debate that was done by the group > members on the topic of € ©'³`©mportance of Silver Bangle with Bronze > Nail (tambe ki keel) in it€ ©'´, `×hen Mars is in 4th house. As per Lal > Kitab Gutka, it is said Mangal in 4th is a kind of fire (Jali anokhi > aanch) which can even € ©'³`Âurn€ ©'´ `Æire itself € ©'¶ `Èere the fire is referred > to the fire of burning pyre which normally burns a dead body > (Shamshan ki aag ko bhi jala de). Now, I believe that Mars in the > 4th house is just like a volcano (Please note the temperature > difference between the Lava and the normal fire. The Lava is at 700->

1250 degrees hot, whereas a normal fire is around 300-350 degree. > So, technically speaking, it means that the fire of Lava can burn > the normal fire itself). This is what the characteristic of Mars of > 4th house is.> > Now, comes the Upai Part. Panditji, suggests that one should wear > Silver Bangle (or bracelet) to cool off Mars. Later he suggests that > Bronze Nail (Tambe ki keel) would be more helpful as compared to > Silver Bangle alone. Now, it is known that Silver is related to > Moon. But, what type of Moon? If we consider the characteristics of > Moon, then, Silver can be related to Water or Natural Water or River > (Pani ka Darya), i.e., Drinkable Water (meetha pani € ©'¶ `Ðeene layak). > And, if we compare € ©'³`³ilver bangle€ ©'´, `×ith € ©'³`³ilver bangle with bronze > nail€ ©'´, `Ôhen, how is the bangle with bronze nail different to that of

> normal silver bangle??? > > Now, we know that bronze is of Sun. Now, we have to isolate as what > is the significance of bronze in this entire episode. Bronze, here > is taken to be similar in significance as that of Salt (which is > also of Sun). Now, if we add Salt in Water, then the characteristic > of Moon changes from € ©'³`°ani Ka Darya€ ©'´ `Ôo € ©'³`³amandar Ka Paani€ ©'´ (`×e all > know that sea water is saline). In this regard, applying the bronze > nail means that now, we are not taking help of normal moon (Pani ka > Darya), but, we are taking help from Salty Moon (Samandar Ka Paani). > > But, now, the question arises as why did Panditji say that Silver > bangle with bronze nail is better than silver bangle without bronze > nail???> > The reason is quite scientific. We all know that the flow of Lava is > stopped only by

Water (Moon). Now, consider Lava flowing into > Natural fresh water lake (Meetha Paani € ©'¶ `×ithout salt), the lava > will go into that lake and the water will start evaporating thereby > cooling the Lava. So, will happen in case of Lava flowing in Sea > Water. But, the difference lies in € ©'³`³alt€ ©'´ `Étself. It is proved that > if we mix salt in water, the heat absorbing property of water is > enhanced considerably and water can take more heat. Normal Water > boil at 100 degrees and starts evaporating at 101 degrees. But, > salty water boils at 101 degrees and evaporates at 102 degrees. Now, > this happens because, the salt present in Water help it to absorb > more heat and in addition of absorbing, it also helps in spreading > heat throughout the water (dissipation of heat), which helps less > evaporation and thereby saline water is much more efficient in case

> of Lava or volcano and this might be the reason that Panditji said > that bronze nail (tambe ki keel) would be better in silver bangle.> > Now, in Lal Kitab, there is a condition given, in which it says that > if Mars is in 4th house, and if Moon is in 10th house, then that > native does not have to worry about 4th house Mars as in this > condition, the Mars stands Nullified. So, no upai is needed in this > case.> > Respected Gurujans, this is what I think and believe is the logic > behind the upai of silver bangle/bracelet. I will be greatly > honoured if you would correct me if I am wrong as it will surely > help me and all other group members to understand the basics that > were followed by the respected Panditji in creating upais...> > Thanks & Regards,> Sumit Bansal.> > , bhupesh sharma

> bhupeshastro@ wrote:> >> > Thanks Pardeep Ji for your most valuable guidance for learner > like us and one must see the position of other planets as > mentioned in 1952 edtion about the shukar no 9 and mangal shukar > mushtarka in no. 9 before apply this. Please you must guide us time > to time . > > > > Bhupesh sharma> > > > PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA lalkitab_l@ > wrote: > > THANKS NIRMALGI AND LALKITABI GI> > WE MAY ALSO REFER MANGALSHUKAR(MUSTERAKA)IN 1952 BOOK.> > PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA> > lalkitabee lalkitabee@ wrote:> > Respected Nirmal ji & Pradip ji> > Pradip ji u r saying absolutly right.The silver bangle remedy has > > been written for Venus in 9th (Red Painted silver bangle).As > Nirmal > > ji says ,that may be beneficial also in case of Mangal Bad ,but if >

> Ketu or Moon + Ketu would be in 9th ,this remedy can be > > harmful.Still more deep insight & study is needed.I explained my > > view only.> > With Regards> > Lalkitabee> > V.K.Shukla > > , PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA > > <lalkitab_l@> wrote:> > >> > > TO SH SANJEEV VERMA> > > > > > NIRMAL GI HAS TRIED HIS BEST TO ANSWER YOU.BUT IN MY VIEW THERE > > ARE SO MANY ANGELS WHICH ARE UNKNOWN TO US WHILE DECIDING THE > UPAY. > > PERPHAPS PANDIT GI HAS NOT MENTIONED THIS UPAY ANYWHERE .ONLY > SUMAT > > PARSAD GI HAS MENTIONED THIS UPAY IN HIS BOOK. WE SHOULD NOT > FORGET > > THE WARNING OF PANDIT GI GIIVEN IN HIS BOOK .MORE DETAIL IS > REQUIRED > > FROM THE LEARNED MASTERS WITH THEIR VALUABLE PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE. > >

> > > > ( I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF UPAY .IT IS A GENERAL OBSERVATION)> > > > > PARDEEPKUMAR SHARMA> > > > > > Sanjiv Verma <sverma@> wrote:> > > Respected Nirmal Ji,> > > > > > Many thanks for your guidance. I will closely follow your > > > instructions. Like in any new discipline, one needs to keep on > > > learning and unlearning and re-learning the subject/texts.> > > > > > Thanks once again.> > > > > > Sanjiv> > > > > > , "Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj" > > > <nirbhar@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Sanjeev ji,> > > > As you said, you are new to subject. it is my suggestion to > you > > to > > > > learn the grammar portion ,

Khana Wise Ashian, Ashian of > planets > > > > first. > > > > You have asked about the remedy.Let me explain as I know > little > > > about > > > > it.> > > > Silver is the ashian of Moon. Arm belongs to Mangal Nek and > most > > > > probable is of Khana No 3 Ashian. As it is said in LalKitab, > > Moon > > > in > > > > Third House make Mangal Bud to Mangal nek.> > > > In my opinion, if there is a posibility of Mars becoming > Bad , > > then > > > > this remedy shall be prescribed. > > > > > > > > Regards> > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj> > > > > > > > > > > > - In , "Sanjiv Verma" <sverma@> > > > > wrote:> > >

> >> > > > > , "devikadhillon" > > > > > <devikadhillon@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What is the significance of a silver bangle in Lal Kitab > > > > remedies?> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Is it as a remedy in case of Mangal/Mars in 4th house which > if > > > > manda > > > > > one needs to do upayas for moon and wearing a silver > bangle / > > > > bracelet > > > > > on wrist (at least for 43 days) is helpful? I am new to the > > > > subject, so > > > > > please excuse me if I have got it wrong.> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > >

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June 1, 2007

Respected Guruji,

Sadar Pranaam.

I am really happy that you liked my response about silver bangle. I

assure you that I will again consider it with some other angle and

after i am able to find something on it, i will surely again write

in this groups on this topic. I will agin study the entire topic and

leave it to Lal Kitab about that different angle. Earlier, i had

read about mars of 4th house about more than 100 times, but, the

logic that I gave in the message occured to me recently when i was

just casually going through the pages. At that time, i was not even

sure what to read so I just opened the book and Mars of 4th house

came up. So, I started reading it and this thought and the entire

explanation came to me automatically. So, I thought maybe, this is

the exact reason. But, i will again study it and if Lal Kitab

wished, i will certainly get another logical explanation about Mars

of 4th house and its connection with Silver Bangle.

Thanks & Regards,

Sumit Bansal.

, PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA

<lalkitab_l wrote:

>

> DEAR SUMIT

> A VERY GOOD MOMENT FOR ME TO SEE YOUR MAILWITH DEEP ANALYSIS

(SWADHAYAYA GITA SAYS).ANALYSIS MAY BE WRONG OR WRIGHT .DONOT WORRY.

MAIN THING IS CHINTAN, DEEP CHINTAN, MORE DEEP,DEEPER AND

DEEPER..........CHINTAN HELPS IN CLEANSING THE LAYERS OF CHIT AND

ULTIMATELY BRINGS CLOSER TO TRUTH.PLEASE GIVE A RETHINK TO MEANING

JALI ANOKHI AANCH..............AGAIN REVIEW THE LOGIC BY SOME

DIFFERENT ANGLE

> WITH A JOYFUL HEART

> PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA

> sumitbansal_81 <sumitbansal_81 wrote:

> I am providing the message again as the previous

message font got corrupted...

> Respected Gurujans,

>

> Sadar Pranaam...

>

> This is my first message in the fourum and i am submitting my

humble view with regards to the Silver Bangle Upai for Mangal in 4th

house.

>

> I have gone through almost all the debate that was done by the

group members on the topic of " Importance of Silver Bangle with

Bronze Nail (tambe ki keel) in it " , when Mars is in 4th house. As

per Lal Kitab Gutka, it is said Mangal in 4th is a kind of fire

(Jali anokhi aanch) which can even " burn " fire itself – here the

fire is referred to the fire of burning pyre which normally burns a

dead body (Shamshan ki aag ko bhi jala de). Now, I believe that Mars

in the 4th house is just like a volcano (Please note the temperature

difference between the Lava and the normal fire. The Lava is at 700-

1250 degrees hot, whereas a normal fire is around 300-350 degree.

So, technically speaking, it means that the fire of Lava can burn

the normal fire itself). This is what the characteristic of Mars of

4th house is.

> Now, comes the Upai Part. Panditji, suggests that one should

wear Silver Bangle (or bracelet) to cool off Mars. Later he suggests

that Bronze Nail (Tambe ki keel) would be more helpful as compared

to Silver Bangle alone. Now, it is known that Silver is related to

Moon. But, what type of Moon? If we consider the characteristics of

Moon, then, Silver can be related to Water or Natural Water or River

(Pani ka Darya), i.e., Drinkable Water (meetha pani – peene layak).

And, if we compare " Silver bangle " , with " Silver bangle with bronze

nail " , then, how is the bangle with bronze nail different to that of

normal silver bangle.

> Now, we know that bronze is of Sun. Now, we have to isolate as

what is the significance of bronze in this entire episode. Bronze,

here is take to be similar in significance as that of Salt (which is

also of Sun). Now, if we add Salt in Water, then the characteristic

of Moon changes from " Pani Ka Darya " to " Samandar Ka Paani " (we all

know that sea water is saline). In this regard, applying the bronze

nail means that now, we are not taking help of normal moon (Pani ka

Darya), but, we are taking help from Salty Moon (Samandar Ka Paani).

> But, now, the question arises as why did Panditji say that

Silver bangle with bronze nail is better than silver bangle without

bronze nail???

> The reason is quite scientific. We all know that the flow of

Lava is stopped only by Water (Moon). Now, consider Lava flowing

into Natural fresh water lake (Meetha Paani – without salt), the

lava will go into that lake and the water will start evaporating

thereby cooling the Lava. So, will happen in case of Lava flowing in

Sea Water. But, the difference lies in " Salt " itself. It is proved

that if we mix salt in water, the heat absorbing property of water

is enhanced considerably and water can take more heat. Normal Water

boil at 100 degrees and starts evaporating at 101 degrees. But,

salty water boils at 101 degrees and evaporates at 102 degrees. Now,

this happens because, the salt present in Water help it to absorb

more heat and in addition of absorbing, it also helps in spreading

heat throughout the water (dissipation of heat), which helps less

evaporation and thereby saline water is much more efficient in case

of Lava or volcano and this might be the reason that

> Panditji said that bronze nail (tambe ki keel) would be better in

silver bangle.

> Now, in Lal Kitab, there is a condition given, in which it says

that if Mars is in 4th house, and if Moon is in 10th house, then

that native does not have to worry about 4th house Mars as in this

condition, the Mars stands Nullified. So, no upai is needed in this

case.

> Respected Gurujans, this is what I think and believe is the

logic

> behind the upai of silver bangle/bracelet. I will be greatly

honoured if you would correct me if I am wrong as it will surely

help me and all other group members to understand the basics that

were followed by the respected Panditji in creating upais...

>

> Thanks & Regards,

> Sumit Bansal.

>

> , " sumitbansal_81 "

<sumitbansal_81@> wrote:

> >

> > Respected Gurujans,

> >

> > Sadar Pranaam...

> >

> > This is my first message in the fourum and i am submitting my

humble

> > view with regards to the Silver Bangle Upai for Mangal in 4th

house.

> >

> > I have gone through almost all the debate that was done by the

group

> > members on the topic of € ©'³`©mportance of Silver Bangle with

Bronze

> > Nail (tambe ki keel) in it€ ©'´, `×hen Mars is in 4th house. As

per Lal

> > Kitab Gutka, it is said Mangal in 4th is a kind of fire (Jali

anokhi

> > aanch) which can even € ©'³`Âurn€ ©'´ `Æire itself € ©'¶ `Èere

the fire is referred

> > to the fire of burning pyre which normally burns a dead body

> > (Shamshan ki aag ko bhi jala de). Now, I believe that Mars in

the

> > 4th house is just like a volcano (Please note the temperature

> > difference between the Lava and the normal fire. The Lava is at

700-

> > 1250 degrees hot, whereas a normal fire is around 300-350

degree.

> > So, technically speaking, it means that the fire of Lava can

burn

> > the normal fire itself). This is what the characteristic of Mars

of

> > 4th house is.

> >

> > Now, comes the Upai Part. Panditji, suggests that one should

wear

> > Silver Bangle (or bracelet) to cool off Mars. Later he suggests

that

> > Bronze Nail (Tambe ki keel) would be more helpful as compared to

> > Silver Bangle alone. Now, it is known that Silver is related to

> > Moon. But, what type of Moon? If we consider the characteristics

of

> > Moon, then, Silver can be related to Water or Natural Water or

River

> > (Pani ka Darya), i.e., Drinkable Water (meetha pani € ©'¶ `Ðeene

layak).

> > And, if we compare € ©'³`³ilver bangle€ ©'´, `×ith € ©'³`³ilver

bangle with bronze

> > nail€ ©'´, `Ôhen, how is the bangle with bronze nail different

to that of

> > normal silver bangle???

> >

> > Now, we know that bronze is of Sun. Now, we have to isolate as

what

> > is the significance of bronze in this entire episode. Bronze,

here

> > is taken to be similar in significance as that of Salt (which is

> > also of Sun). Now, if we add Salt in Water, then the

characteristic

> > of Moon changes from € ©'³`°ani Ka Darya€ ©'´ `Ôo € ©'³`³amandar

Ka Paani€ ©'´ (`×e all

> > know that sea water is saline). In this regard, applying the

bronze

> > nail means that now, we are not taking help of normal moon (Pani

ka

> > Darya), but, we are taking help from Salty Moon (Samandar Ka

Paani).

> >

> > But, now, the question arises as why did Panditji say that

Silver

> > bangle with bronze nail is better than silver bangle without

bronze

> > nail???

> >

> > The reason is quite scientific. We all know that the flow of

Lava is

> > stopped only by Water (Moon). Now, consider Lava flowing into

> > Natural fresh water lake (Meetha Paani € ©'¶ `×ithout salt), the

lava

> > will go into that lake and the water will start evaporating

thereby

> > cooling the Lava. So, will happen in case of Lava flowing in Sea

> > Water. But, the difference lies in € ©'³`³alt€ ©'´ `Étself. It

is proved that

> > if we mix salt in water, the heat absorbing property of water is

> > enhanced considerably and water can take more heat. Normal Water

> > boil at 100 degrees and starts evaporating at 101 degrees. But,

> > salty water boils at 101 degrees and evaporates at 102 degrees.

Now,

> > this happens because, the salt present in Water help it to

absorb

> > more heat and in addition of absorbing, it also helps in

spreading

> > heat throughout the water (dissipation of heat), which helps

less

> > evaporation and thereby saline water is much more efficient in

case

> > of Lava or volcano and this might be the reason that Panditji

said

> > that bronze nail (tambe ki keel) would be better in silver

bangle.

> >

> > Now, in Lal Kitab, there is a condition given, in which it says

that

> > if Mars is in 4th house, and if Moon is in 10th house, then that

> > native does not have to worry about 4th house Mars as in this

> > condition, the Mars stands Nullified. So, no upai is needed in

this

> > case.

> >

> > Respected Gurujans, this is what I think and believe is the

logic

> > behind the upai of silver bangle/bracelet. I will be greatly

> > honoured if you would correct me if I am wrong as it will surely

> > help me and all other group members to understand the basics

that

> > were followed by the respected Panditji in creating upais...

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> > Sumit Bansal.

> >

> > , bhupesh sharma

> > bhupeshastro@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Thanks Pardeep Ji for your most valuable guidance for learner

> > like us and one must see the position of other planets as

> > mentioned in 1952 edtion about the shukar no 9 and mangal shukar

> > mushtarka in no. 9 before apply this. Please you must guide us

time

> > to time .

> > >

> > > Bhupesh sharma

> > >

> > > PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA lalkitab_l@

> > wrote:

> > > THANKS NIRMALGI AND LALKITABI GI

> > > WE MAY ALSO REFER MANGALSHUKAR(MUSTERAKA)IN 1952 BOOK.

> > > PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA

> > > lalkitabee lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > Respected Nirmal ji & Pradip ji

> > > Pradip ji u r saying absolutly right.The silver bangle remedy

has

> > > been written for Venus in 9th (Red Painted silver bangle).As

> > Nirmal

> > > ji says ,that may be beneficial also in case of Mangal

Bad ,but if

> > > Ketu or Moon + Ketu would be in 9th ,this remedy can be

> > > harmful.Still more deep insight & study is needed.I explained

my

> > > view only.

> > > With Regards

> > > Lalkitabee

> > > V.K.Shukla

> > > , PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA

> > > <lalkitab_l@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > TO SH SANJEEV VERMA

> > > >

> > > > NIRMAL GI HAS TRIED HIS BEST TO ANSWER YOU.BUT IN MY VIEW

THERE

> > > ARE SO MANY ANGELS WHICH ARE UNKNOWN TO US WHILE DECIDING THE

> > UPAY.

> > > PERPHAPS PANDIT GI HAS NOT MENTIONED THIS UPAY ANYWHERE .ONLY

> > SUMAT

> > > PARSAD GI HAS MENTIONED THIS UPAY IN HIS BOOK. WE SHOULD NOT

> > FORGET

> > > THE WARNING OF PANDIT GI GIIVEN IN HIS BOOK .MORE DETAIL IS

> > REQUIRED

> > > FROM THE LEARNED MASTERS WITH THEIR VALUABLE PRACTICAL

EXPERIENCE.

> > > >

> > > > ( I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF UPAY .IT IS A GENERAL OBSERVATION)

> > > >

> > > PARDEEPKUMAR SHARMA

> > > >

> > > > Sanjiv Verma <sverma@> wrote:

> > > > Respected Nirmal Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Many thanks for your guidance. I will closely follow your

> > > > instructions. Like in any new discipline, one needs to keep

on

> > > > learning and unlearning and re-learning the subject/texts.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks once again.

> > > >

> > > > Sanjiv

> > > >

> > > > , " Nirmal Kumar

Bhardwaj "

> > > > <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Sanjeev ji,

> > > > > As you said, you are new to subject. it is my suggestion

to

> > you

> > > to

> > > > > learn the grammar portion , Khana Wise Ashian, Ashian of

> > planets

> > > > > first.

> > > > > You have asked about the remedy.Let me explain as I know

> > little

> > > > about

> > > > > it.

> > > > > Silver is the ashian of Moon. Arm belongs to Mangal Nek

and

> > most

> > > > > probable is of Khana No 3 Ashian. As it is said in

LalKitab,

> > > Moon

> > > > in

> > > > > Third House make Mangal Bud to Mangal nek.

> > > > > In my opinion, if there is a posibility of Mars becoming

> > Bad ,

> > > then

> > > > > this remedy shall be prescribed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > >

> > > > > - In , " Sanjiv Verma "

<sverma@>

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " devikadhillon "

> > > > > > <devikadhillon@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > What is the significance of a silver bangle in Lal

Kitab

> > > > > remedies?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Is it as a remedy in case of Mangal/Mars in 4th house

which

> > if

> > > > > manda

> > > > > > one needs to do upayas for moon and wearing a silver

> > bangle /

> > > > > bracelet

> > > > > > on wrist (at least for 43 days) is helpful? I am new to

the

> > > > > subject, so

> > > > > > please excuse me if I have got it wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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June 4, 2007

Sumit Ji

Hats off to you. Indeed it is a thorough analysis. the logic is self

explanatory. Using This type of analytical power will sharpen the mind

and give others also a clue that LalKitab can be read in this way also.

Regarding this particular remedy, in my View, We must have to see that

Mangal is not bud by nature in the Kundli and by a particular event

or with the influence of another planet if it is going to become bud

then it is to be used or we can say that it is to be used to keep

mangal Nek qaayam.

This is my view as far as the book taught me so far.

Regards

Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

, " sumitbansal_81 "

<sumitbansal_81 wrote:

>

> Respected Guruji,

>

> Sadar Pranaam.

>

> I am really happy that you liked my response about silver bangle. I

> assure you that I will again consider it with some other angle and

> after i am able to find something on it, i will surely again write

> in this groups on this topic. I will agin study the entire topic and

> leave it to Lal Kitab about that different angle. Earlier, i had

> read about mars of 4th house about more than 100 times, but, the

> logic that I gave in the message occured to me recently when i was

> just casually going through the pages. At that time, i was not even

> sure what to read so I just opened the book and Mars of 4th house

> came up. So, I started reading it and this thought and the entire

> explanation came to me automatically. So, I thought maybe, this is

> the exact reason. But, i will again study it and if Lal Kitab

> wished, i will certainly get another logical explanation about Mars

> of 4th house and its connection with Silver Bangle.

>

> Thanks & Regards,

> Sumit Bansal.

>

> , PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA

> <lalkitab_l@> wrote:

> >

> > DEAR SUMIT

> > A VERY GOOD MOMENT FOR ME TO SEE YOUR MAILWITH DEEP ANALYSIS

> (SWADHAYAYA GITA SAYS).ANALYSIS MAY BE WRONG OR WRIGHT .DONOT WORRY.

> MAIN THING IS CHINTAN, DEEP CHINTAN, MORE DEEP,DEEPER AND

> DEEPER..........CHINTAN HELPS IN CLEANSING THE LAYERS OF CHIT AND

> ULTIMATELY BRINGS CLOSER TO TRUTH.PLEASE GIVE A RETHINK TO MEANING

> JALI ANOKHI AANCH..............AGAIN REVIEW THE LOGIC BY SOME

> DIFFERENT ANGLE

> > WITH A JOYFUL HEART

> > PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA

> > sumitbansal_81 <sumitbansal_81@> wrote:

> > I am providing the message again as the previous

> message font got corrupted...

> > Respected Gurujans,

> >

> > Sadar Pranaam...

> >

> > This is my first message in the fourum and i am submitting my

> humble view with regards to the Silver Bangle Upai for Mangal in 4th

> house.

> >

> > I have gone through almost all the debate that was done by the

> group members on the topic of " Importance of Silver Bangle with

> Bronze Nail (tambe ki keel) in it " , when Mars is in 4th house. As

> per Lal Kitab Gutka, it is said Mangal in 4th is a kind of fire

> (Jali anokhi aanch) which can even " burn " fire itself – here the

> fire is referred to the fire of burning pyre which normally burns a

> dead body (Shamshan ki aag ko bhi jala de). Now, I believe that Mars

> in the 4th house is just like a volcano (Please note the temperature

> difference between the Lava and the normal fire. The Lava is at 700-

> 1250 degrees hot, whereas a normal fire is around 300-350 degree.

> So, technically speaking, it means that the fire of Lava can burn

> the normal fire itself). This is what the characteristic of Mars of

> 4th house is.

> > Now, comes the Upai Part. Panditji, suggests that one should

> wear Silver Bangle (or bracelet) to cool off Mars. Later he suggests

> that Bronze Nail (Tambe ki keel) would be more helpful as compared

> to Silver Bangle alone. Now, it is known that Silver is related to

> Moon. But, what type of Moon? If we consider the characteristics of

> Moon, then, Silver can be related to Water or Natural Water or River

> (Pani ka Darya), i.e., Drinkable Water (meetha pani – peene layak).

> And, if we compare " Silver bangle " , with " Silver bangle with bronze

> nail " , then, how is the bangle with bronze nail different to that of

> normal silver bangle.

> > Now, we know that bronze is of Sun. Now, we have to isolate as

> what is the significance of bronze in this entire episode. Bronze,

> here is take to be similar in significance as that of Salt (which is

> also of Sun). Now, if we add Salt in Water, then the characteristic

> of Moon changes from " Pani Ka Darya " to " Samandar Ka Paani " (we all

> know that sea water is saline). In this regard, applying the bronze

> nail means that now, we are not taking help of normal moon (Pani ka

> Darya), but, we are taking help from Salty Moon (Samandar Ka Paani).

> > But, now, the question arises as why did Panditji say that

> Silver bangle with bronze nail is better than silver bangle without

> bronze nail???

> > The reason is quite scientific. We all know that the flow of

> Lava is stopped only by Water (Moon). Now, consider Lava flowing

> into Natural fresh water lake (Meetha Paani – without salt), the

> lava will go into that lake and the water will start evaporating

> thereby cooling the Lava. So, will happen in case of Lava flowing in

> Sea Water. But, the difference lies in " Salt " itself. It is proved

> that if we mix salt in water, the heat absorbing property of water

> is enhanced considerably and water can take more heat. Normal Water

> boil at 100 degrees and starts evaporating at 101 degrees. But,

> salty water boils at 101 degrees and evaporates at 102 degrees. Now,

> this happens because, the salt present in Water help it to absorb

> more heat and in addition of absorbing, it also helps in spreading

> heat throughout the water (dissipation of heat), which helps less

> evaporation and thereby saline water is much more efficient in case

> of Lava or volcano and this might be the reason that

> > Panditji said that bronze nail (tambe ki keel) would be better in

> silver bangle.

> > Now, in Lal Kitab, there is a condition given, in which it says

> that if Mars is in 4th house, and if Moon is in 10th house, then

> that native does not have to worry about 4th house Mars as in this

> condition, the Mars stands Nullified. So, no upai is needed in this

> case.

> > Respected Gurujans, this is what I think and believe is the

> logic

> > behind the upai of silver bangle/bracelet. I will be greatly

> honoured if you would correct me if I am wrong as it will surely

> help me and all other group members to understand the basics that

> were followed by the respected Panditji in creating upais...

> >

> > Thanks & Regards,

> > Sumit Bansal.

> >

> > , " sumitbansal_81 "

> <sumitbansal_81@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Respected Gurujans,

> > >

> > > Sadar Pranaam...

> > >

> > > This is my first message in the fourum and i am submitting my

> humble

> > > view with regards to the Silver Bangle Upai for Mangal in 4th

> house.

> > >

> > > I have gone through almost all the debate that was done by the

> group

> > > members on the topic of € ©'³`©mportance of Silver Bangle with

> Bronze

> > > Nail (tambe ki keel) in it€ ©'´, `×hen Mars is in 4th house. As

> per Lal

> > > Kitab Gutka, it is said Mangal in 4th is a kind of fire (Jali

> anokhi

> > > aanch) which can even € ©'³`Âurn€ ©'´ `Æire itself € ©'¶ `Èere

> the fire is referred

> > > to the fire of burning pyre which normally burns a dead body

> > > (Shamshan ki aag ko bhi jala de). Now, I believe that Mars in

> the

> > > 4th house is just like a volcano (Please note the temperature

> > > difference between the Lava and the normal fire. The Lava is at

> 700-

> > > 1250 degrees hot, whereas a normal fire is around 300-350

> degree.

> > > So, technically speaking, it means that the fire of Lava can

> burn

> > > the normal fire itself). This is what the characteristic of Mars

> of

> > > 4th house is.

> > >

> > > Now, comes the Upai Part. Panditji, suggests that one should

> wear

> > > Silver Bangle (or bracelet) to cool off Mars. Later he suggests

> that

> > > Bronze Nail (Tambe ki keel) would be more helpful as compared to

> > > Silver Bangle alone. Now, it is known that Silver is related to

> > > Moon. But, what type of Moon? If we consider the characteristics

> of

> > > Moon, then, Silver can be related to Water or Natural Water or

> River

> > > (Pani ka Darya), i.e., Drinkable Water (meetha pani € ©'¶ `Ðeene

> layak).

> > > And, if we compare € ©'³`³ilver bangle€ ©'´, `×ith € ©'³`³ilver

> bangle with bronze

> > > nail€ ©'´, `Ôhen, how is the bangle with bronze nail different

> to that of

> > > normal silver bangle???

> > >

> > > Now, we know that bronze is of Sun. Now, we have to isolate as

> what

> > > is the significance of bronze in this entire episode. Bronze,

> here

> > > is taken to be similar in significance as that of Salt (which is

> > > also of Sun). Now, if we add Salt in Water, then the

> characteristic

> > > of Moon changes from € ©'³`°ani Ka Darya€ ©'´ `Ôo € ©'³`³amandar

> Ka Paani€ ©'´ (`×e all

> > > know that sea water is saline). In this regard, applying the

> bronze

> > > nail means that now, we are not taking help of normal moon (Pani

> ka

> > > Darya), but, we are taking help from Salty Moon (Samandar Ka

> Paani).

> > >

> > > But, now, the question arises as why did Panditji say that

> Silver

> > > bangle with bronze nail is better than silver bangle without

> bronze

> > > nail???

> > >

> > > The reason is quite scientific. We all know that the flow of

> Lava is

> > > stopped only by Water (Moon). Now, consider Lava flowing into

> > > Natural fresh water lake (Meetha Paani € ©'¶ `×ithout salt), the

> lava

> > > will go into that lake and the water will start evaporating

> thereby

> > > cooling the Lava. So, will happen in case of Lava flowing in Sea

> > > Water. But, the difference lies in € ©'³`³alt€ ©'´ `Étself. It

> is proved that

> > > if we mix salt in water, the heat absorbing property of water is

> > > enhanced considerably and water can take more heat. Normal Water

> > > boil at 100 degrees and starts evaporating at 101 degrees. But,

> > > salty water boils at 101 degrees and evaporates at 102 degrees.

> Now,

> > > this happens because, the salt present in Water help it to

> absorb

> > > more heat and in addition of absorbing, it also helps in

> spreading

> > > heat throughout the water (dissipation of heat), which helps

> less

> > > evaporation and thereby saline water is much more efficient in

> case

> > > of Lava or volcano and this might be the reason that Panditji

> said

> > > that bronze nail (tambe ki keel) would be better in silver

> bangle.

> > >

> > > Now, in Lal Kitab, there is a condition given, in which it says

> that

> > > if Mars is in 4th house, and if Moon is in 10th house, then that

> > > native does not have to worry about 4th house Mars as in this

> > > condition, the Mars stands Nullified. So, no upai is needed in

> this

> > > case.

> > >

> > > Respected Gurujans, this is what I think and believe is the

> logic

> > > behind the upai of silver bangle/bracelet. I will be greatly

> > > honoured if you would correct me if I am wrong as it will surely

> > > help me and all other group members to understand the basics

> that

> > > were followed by the respected Panditji in creating upais...

> > >

> > > Thanks & Regards,

> > > Sumit Bansal.

> > >

> > > , bhupesh sharma

> > > bhupeshastro@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Thanks Pardeep Ji for your most valuable guidance for learner

> > > like us and one must see the position of other planets as

> > > mentioned in 1952 edtion about the shukar no 9 and mangal shukar

> > > mushtarka in no. 9 before apply this. Please you must guide us

> time

> > > to time .

> > > >

> > > > Bhupesh sharma

> > > >

> > > > PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA lalkitab_l@

> > > wrote:

> > > > THANKS NIRMALGI AND LALKITABI GI

> > > > WE MAY ALSO REFER MANGALSHUKAR(MUSTERAKA)IN 1952 BOOK.

> > > > PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA

> > > > lalkitabee lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > Respected Nirmal ji & Pradip ji

> > > > Pradip ji u r saying absolutly right.The silver bangle remedy

> has

> > > > been written for Venus in 9th (Red Painted silver bangle).As

> > > Nirmal

> > > > ji says ,that may be beneficial also in case of Mangal

> Bad ,but if

> > > > Ketu or Moon + Ketu would be in 9th ,this remedy can be

> > > > harmful.Still more deep insight & study is needed.I explained

> my

> > > > view only.

> > > > With Regards

> > > > Lalkitabee

> > > > V.K.Shukla

> > > > , PARDEEP KUMAR SHARMA

> > > > <lalkitab_l@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > TO SH SANJEEV VERMA

> > > > >

> > > > > NIRMAL GI HAS TRIED HIS BEST TO ANSWER YOU.BUT IN MY VIEW

> THERE

> > > > ARE SO MANY ANGELS WHICH ARE UNKNOWN TO US WHILE DECIDING THE

> > > UPAY.

> > > > PERPHAPS PANDIT GI HAS NOT MENTIONED THIS UPAY ANYWHERE .ONLY

> > > SUMAT

> > > > PARSAD GI HAS MENTIONED THIS UPAY IN HIS BOOK. WE SHOULD NOT

> > > FORGET

> > > > THE WARNING OF PANDIT GI GIIVEN IN HIS BOOK .MORE DETAIL IS

> > > REQUIRED

> > > > FROM THE LEARNED MASTERS WITH THEIR VALUABLE PRACTICAL

> EXPERIENCE.

> > > > >

> > > > > ( I HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF UPAY .IT IS A GENERAL OBSERVATION)

> > > > >

> > > > PARDEEPKUMAR SHARMA

> > > > >

> > > > > Sanjiv Verma <sverma@> wrote:

> > > > > Respected Nirmal Ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Many thanks for your guidance. I will closely follow your

> > > > > instructions. Like in any new discipline, one needs to keep

> on

> > > > > learning and unlearning and re-learning the subject/texts.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks once again.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sanjiv

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Nirmal Kumar

> Bhardwaj "

> > > > > <nirbhar@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Respected Sanjeev ji,

> > > > > > As you said, you are new to subject. it is my suggestion

> to

> > > you

> > > > to

> > > > > > learn the grammar portion , Khana Wise Ashian, Ashian of

> > > planets

> > > > > > first.

> > > > > > You have asked about the remedy.Let me explain as I know

> > > little

> > > > > about

> > > > > > it.

> > > > > > Silver is the ashian of Moon. Arm belongs to Mangal Nek

> and

> > > most

> > > > > > probable is of Khana No 3 Ashian. As it is said in

> LalKitab,

> > > > Moon

> > > > > in

> > > > > > Third House make Mangal Bud to Mangal nek.

> > > > > > In my opinion, if there is a posibility of Mars becoming

> > > Bad ,

> > > > then

> > > > > > this remedy shall be prescribed.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

> > > > > >

> > > > > > - In , " Sanjiv Verma "

> <sverma@>

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " devikadhillon "

> > > > > > > <devikadhillon@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What is the significance of a silver bangle in Lal

> Kitab

> > > > > > remedies?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Is it as a remedy in case of Mangal/Mars in 4th house

> which

> > > if

> > > > > > manda

> > > > > > > one needs to do upayas for moon and wearing a silver

> > > bangle /

> > > > > > bracelet

> > > > > > > on wrist (at least for 43 days) is helpful? I am new to

> the

> > > > > > subject, so

> > > > > > > please excuse me if I have got it wrong.

> > > > > > >

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June 19, 2007

Respected Shukla Ji,It is a sad state that a learned person like you trying to twist the meanings of LalKitab diktats. From your mail, it seems, you even don't know, that in which context, Pandit Ji used the terms Khada, Leta and ganda Anda and what does it mean. It is really misleading if you try to link it with the Dayra of Budh.

Shukla Ji Aap anday ko To haath nahin LagaTay hongay, is liye aap ko is kaa matlab maaloom nahin hoga. But,we used to play this game (Khada, Leta Anda) in our childhood. Regarding the Two Lines, it clarifies its meaning itself. In my opinion, what i gather from my studies , the darust halat of Budh is its true roundness without any kink or joint may it be in Bangle, Kada or Ring. You might be knowing that Mangal Bud permanent abode is between Chander & Budh. If these two planets are not qayam & darust then we Mangal Bud will try to come out to give bad results. Shukla Ji,You have a vast experience in LalKitab Please clarify to all What do you understand by darust Halat of BudhWe will be obliged.RegardsNirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

On 6/16/07, lalkitabee <

lalkitabee wrote:

Respected Nirmal Ji

Budh may be elliptical or non-elliptical .Budh is budh itself due to

its roundness or ellipticity. The shape may be as sphere or as

elliptical.It is not a measurement of DURUST or BEDURUST BUDH. It

is a different chapter.Pandit ji used the word ANDAA (egg) for

budh.He used usualy-- BUDH KA ANDAA, KHADAA ANDAA ,LETAA HUA

ANDAA , GANDAA ANDAA .If elliptical shape is malefic budh ,Y pandit

ji catagorised it.Pandit ji addressed budh as Andaa even where

benefic budh also addressed KHADAA ANDAA by Pandit ji. & where it

is malefic it has been called GANDAA ANDAA.U know egg has never a

shape as sphere. So It is wrong that elliptical shape of budh is a

sign of malefic budh only.May be elliptical or sphere ,both r budh

only,without any perception of malefic or benefic.

At other side in perview of Mars u r

saying " Budh Kayam aur darust ho to mangal bad ka bura asar na hoga "

etc.. Yes it is true & written in Revered Lalkitab but Im unable to

understand that wat do u mean here ? Wat r u accepting with those

two lines ? Do u mean , " in the remedy (Silver Kadaa) for Mars

4th ,Mercury also shud be accepted in KADAA (endless round) with

this remedy as DURUST MERCURY ? Plz clerify.After that all of us can

go to conclusion.

With regards

Pt.Lalkitabee

, NKB <nirbhar wrote:

>

> Dear Friends,

> I have been reading the discussions regularly. Due to very busy

schedule at

> my work place I don't take part actively in the discussions. but ,

I could

> not forbid my self as the discussion is going array with a small

> misconception about budh.

>

> Just from the very first discussion,it was emphasized that Budh

shall not be

> got involved in the remedy for Mangal Bud. Before i proceed

further, I

> reproduce below , few transcription from the Holy Book which all

of you must

> have came through while studying:-

>

> 1. Mangal Bud ko buray asar se roknay wala Chander Dil Rekha Hai

(à¤®à¤‚à¤—à¤² à¤¬à¤¦ à¤•à¥‹

> 2. 'Sir Rekha' Sahi Ho tou Mangal Bud Kaa asar bura naa Hoga, Agar

Budh

> Qayam aur Darust Ho to Mangal Bud Ka Asar Bura Naa Hoga.

à¤¾ )

>

> Now What is the darust Halat of Budh?

> Here are my views:

> Is it the Round with a Break or Complete round.

> If we take The definition of 'Bejod' as open ended ring or

jointed/welded

> then that will not represent darust or true Budh. Any kink or

break in the

> roundness will disturb Budh as well as all the planets who always

> revolve/walk on the path(Dayra) of Budh.

> Coming to second Definition of 'Bejod' as being given by Repected

Yograj

> Prabhakar Ji , one piece ring with no joint or joint less

represent true and

> darust Budh.

> Why?

> because this true budh shape is owned by all the planets and

represent there

> darust halat.

> Take an example of Eclipse

> When Any planet is eclipsed, it shape, visually or (Sphere of

energy), is

> changed from True roundness to elliptical or we can say as non

round. Which

> mean the Budh has been disturbed there , resulting the bad result

or no

> result of that planet.

> We must not jump to conclusion that Budh,(who is called in book at

many

> place as Ullu Ka patha, Haram Zadi Laundiya else else, because of

it bad

> position in certain houses,) is Bad or never be a good planet.

> It is Budh which helps Shukkar to be a Mother or father or a good

spouse. It

> is Budh who with Sun makes as Masnooyi Mangal Nek. and with

Shukkar it make

> Masnooyi Sooraj except with Mangal it make Shani Rahu Subhao.

> Dear friends this book has the text/scripted in Urdu but

dialact/Words of

> this book is of Punjab origin. In Punjabi, Bejod means without

any Joint.

> 'Chhalla', Kada, Choodi, are called a round rings with or without

joints.

> When we call Bejod Chhalla, Kada, Choodi then it means that one

piece round

> shape.

> Bejod Sariya Means Straight rod without joint.

> By Using Bejod Chandi Kaa Kada/CHoodi we Keep the Budh darust

which keeps

> the Moon as well as Mars to be on right path.

>

> Another term used in discussion is of steel, seamless steel pipes.

or

> steel/Silver pipes. Friends the reference here in the book is not

for

> steel(stainless, Mild Steel etc.) it is " faulad " or you can say as

> wrought/Cast iron which normally do not get rusted.

>

> That is all about my opinion about this remedy.

> Regards

> Nirmal Kumar Bhardwaj

>

> On 6/14/07, Geeta Pahuja <geetp56 wrote:

> >

> > The holes in the nose or ears are also Budh. For malefic

Jupiter we take

> > the help of Jupiter's asya, for malefic Ketu, Ketu kayam, for

sun pray to

> > sun, for Rahu malefic taking blessing of Rahu etc. In the same

manner, main

> > remedies for Mercury are done by keeping Mercury happy or with

things

> > related to mercury. Silver ring in nose is used to give the help

of moon to

> > budh. The remedy for malefic Budh is the piercing of the nose

of Budh 8

> > Person's daughter(budh) and putting silver ring in her nose not

the stud.

> > Round holes represent budh, jo body per kayam ho jata he. In

the same

> > manner the only yellow pumpkin which is ripen and empty from

inside is budh

> > and is offered to a temple. Silver ball which is hollow inside

is also budh

> > . Big utencils with lid and empty from inside, kept in the house

are budh.

> > Dholak is hollow from inside and is budh. It is not necessary

that Gol aakar

> > hone se budh hota he. When we talk about ketu, it is black and

white or two

> > coloured dog or chitkabra dog. If the dog is of red colour it

will be ketu

> > but with the effect of budh. In the same way if the horse is of

yellow

> > colour then even though horse is chandra but it will carry the

effects of

> > jupiter. Therefore, remedy of steel challa is help of saturn

to mercury.

> >

> > Budh is napunsak grah. it does not give its own results. It

gives the

> > results of the planet which sits with it or of the rashi in

which it is

> > placed. When we do a hole in body we kayam budh on our body and

with hole

> > the surface of the skin also spreads or increases in the same

manner as the

> > person who uses more brain increases his intelligentia.

> >

> > geeta

> >

> > *varun_trvd <varun_trvd* wrote:

> >

> > Respected Yograj ji,

> >

> > For each one of us, who is a student of Lal Kitab, Pandit ji is

> > poojneeya, and anusarneeya. Assuming that he suggested a

completely

> > closed steel chaalla for budh in 12th then would you agree that

> > Pandit ji wanted to establish budh and not Saturn?

> >

> > If so, don't you think we should try to find the logic behind

this?

> >

> > What Pt. Lalkitabee ji has done is to prove that the intention of

> > Pandit ji was to establish Saturn in its purest form. In other

words

> > he took the help of Saturn to suppress budh because Saturn alone

has

> > all the three qualities of : being a friend of mercury, one who

is

> > not hostile to Jupiter and can also keep rahu in control.

> >

> > We are discussing the issue dispassionately and academically and

> > none of us can ever dream of going contrary to what Pandit ji has

> > said. For all of us he is the last word.

> >

> > But it is always better to understand the logic behind the upaya

so

> > that other upaya can be devised keeping in mind the karaks and

the

> > principles of Lal Kitab.

> >

> > With regards and utmost respect,

> >

> > Varun Trivedi

> >

> > <%

40>,

> > Yograj Prabhakar

> > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Acharya Lalkitabee ji Maharaj,

> > >

> > > Ap Lal Kitab Jyotish Mein Ek Khas Reputation Rakhtey Hain, Jis

Ke

> > Aas-Paas Bhi Pahunch Paana Kum-Az-Kum Mujh Jaise Haqeer Insaan Ke

> > Toh Bootey Ki Baat Nahi Hai. Main Badey Adab-O-khaloos Se Do

Baatein

> > Kehne Ki Ijaazat Chahoonga.

> > >

> > > 1. Meharbani kar ke Zara Ghaur se Dekhiye ki is Nacheez ne kya

arz

> > kiya hai . Jisko Ap Kaano Ki Suni Farma Rahe hain, Wo Pundit Ji

ke

> > Mukharvind Se Nikla Huya Aadesh hai, Us Aadesh Ko Koyi Aur Beshaq

> > Kisi Tarah Bhi Ley, Magar Mere Liye Woh Utimate Aur Absolute hai.

> > >

> > > 2. Mere Ajeez Dost, Ankhan Ki Dekhi Ko Maine Jis Sandarbh Mein

> > Istehmaal Kiya hai Meharbaani Karke Ap Usko Usi Sandarbh Mein Hi

> > Dekhein. Kyon Ki Agar Hum Muddey se Bahar Jakar Kori Laffazee Aur

> > Filmi Dialogues Baazi Mein Ulajh Jayengey to Ye Poori Ki Poori

> > Discussion Mehaz Zehnee-Ayyashi Ban Kar Reh Jayegi.

> > >

> > > Respectfully

> > > Yograj Prabhakar.

> > >

> > > lalkitabee <lalkitabee@>

> > wrote:

> > > Respected Yograj ji

> > > A scholar of lalkitab like u , who never goes beyond the single

> > word of this revered book, even who was so careful to the use of

> > MOOL LALKITAB that couldn't tolerated the use of words

> > like " MASLAN " & " JAISE " (EVEN BOTH HAVE SAME MEANINGS.).Kisi ko

yah

> > achchha lagaa ya nahi lekin mujhe aapkaa yah tarikaa bahut

achchha

> > lagaa tha.But a person who was so strict at this issue to use of

> > ORIGINAL BOOK. Alas! today the same person is advicing me to

> > believe " AAANKHAN DEKHI " only. In fact there is so much written

> > prooves r available in KAGAD KI LEKHI.

> > > If AANKHAN KI DEKHI WAS SO SUFFIECIENT ,THEN Y & FOR

> > WHAT WE SHUD READ LALKITAB & for what purpose it was written ?

The

> > person who used the word as DALDA BOOK, for the use of other

books

> > based upon original book & appriciated the use of original book

> > only , even prescribed to read URDU WRITTEN book only. Today he

is

> > saying to believe only AANKHAN DEKHI.

> > > As u r saying me:- Tu kehta Kagad Ki Lekhi

> > > Main Kehta Ankhan Ki

> > Dekhi.

> > > I want to recall u with humble words that :- 1.KAGAD KI LEKHI

> > IS MOST RELIABLE

> > >

> > 2.ANKHAN KI DEKHI IS MORE RELIABLE

> > >

> > 3.KAANO KI SUNI IS LESS RELIABLE

> > > And u r confessing urself in ur mail that u r saying KAANO KI

> > SUNI, not aankhan ki dekhi.(U can re-read ur mail for

confirmation)

> > > As well as my colorful artical, " U can see all colors were used

> > to provide a grasp to the subject, for a reader. Specially for

them

> > who use quotes from lalkitab. And other side i want to say that i

> > didnt saw Pujya Pandit Ji, but i see his image 1st of all, which

is

> > available at www.originallalkitab.com ,bfor making a write-

> > up .After this I read & use only KAGAD KI LEKHI " by Pujya Pandit

> > Ji ,as per my capability & understanding.AB AAP HEE KAHO KI MAIN

> > KAANO KI SUNI PAR BHAROSAA KAROON YA PANDIT JI KE DWARA KHUD

LIKHI

> > HUYEE KITAB PAR BHAROSAA KAROON.

> > > Only Lalkitab is a live statue of Pujya Pandit Ji for

> > me, no any other way. If there is any other way, nesseccery to

> > confirm from lalkitab or according to the rules of lalkitab bfor

> > acceptance.

> > > With Regards

> > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > <%

40>,

> > Yograj Prabhakar

> > <yr_prabhakar@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vipin Shukla Ji,

> > > > It is yet another very impressive and colorful description

> > indeed Vipin Bhai. Why a Bejod Chhalla is recommended, what is

the

> > logic behind this remedy, how it works and how many planets are

> > involved in the whole process is a separate issue. But I

disagree to

> > agree with your perception regarding the

description/specification

> > of a Bejod Chhalla. In my humble opinion it should be (rather

must

> > be) nothing but a totally seamless one, no matter whether it is

> > prepared by cutting, molding or any other method.

> > > >

> > > > Believe me, my conviction is not baseless. I know many people

> > whom Pundit ji recommended the rings in question and strictly

> > advised them to procure the seamless ones only. Therefore, for me

> > Pundit jis diktat is absolute and conclusive since I am a more

> > practical guy rather than a theoretical one. I am quoting the

> > following lines of Sant Kabir ji to clarify my stance (certainty

not

> > intended to offend a good friend like you):

> > > >

> > > > Tu kehta Kagad Ki Lekhi

> > > > Main Kehta Ankhan Ki Dekhi.

> > > >

> > > > Finally, one humble request to you, kindly use single color

and

> > font in your writings. Ornate presentations somehow diminish the

> > very spirit of your otherwise brilliant script.

> > > >

> > > > Respectfully

> > > > Yograj Prabhakar

> > > >

> > > > lalkitabee lalkitabee@ wrote:

> > > > Respected Yograj ji, KiranJit Ji & Geeta ji,

> > > > I was reading views written by all of u about BEJOD CHHALLA.

I

> > have some opinion of mine & i want to share here.All of u r

prooving

> > the meaning of BEJOD Challa. As wel as i can say the word has

been

> > used for budh ,specially for khana no.12 budh.

> > > > Bfor continue next i want to say , " Yes,every round thing is

not

> > necessarily a representative of budh.But in perview of remedy of

> > lalkitab it will be counted of budh 1st of all , after that we

have

> > to see its metal etc for sub-planetry object.

> > > > Again im coming to the point .Here is the question:-

> > > > 1. Y Budh is remediable in 12th ?

> > > > 2. If it is remediable , what modus operandi will be useful ?

> > > > 3. Y Pujya Pandit ji said Iron made BEJOD FAULAD KA CHALLA ?

> > > > (a).Is there was a motive to establish BUDH?

> > > > (b)Is there was a motive to establish SATURN ?

> > > > Ans No. 1:- In the very bigining of lalkitab has been

written ---

> > YAHEE CHAKKAR MAIN DAALE RAKHNE KI DUSHMANI BARHASPAT (jup.) SE

> > BUDH KO HOGI. (Here is clear that budh is enemy of Jupiter & in

> > khana no 12 it is NEECh, as well as there is partnership of Neech

> > Rahu in khana no12th so with the role of his friend rahu ,the

Budh

> > reveals itself to fulfil its rival nature to Jupiter,Now Neech

budh

> > wants to eatablish the empire of neech rahu.Bcoz if we see

masnuyee

> > of Budh (Guru+ Rahu) ,the we can analyze the Role of Rahu in

12th.

> > In fact it spreads its mean or evil activities, so it is

remediable

> > Rahu to bura hogaa hee chahey asal rahu khana 6 main hee kyon na

> > baithaa ho aise main mandey rahu ka bhi upay budh ke upay se

pehley

> > kar denaa shayad hi koyee faydaa pahunchaa sakey

> > > >

> > > > Ans.2. Now wat to do? Clearly written in lalkitab for budh of

> > khana no.12 :-

> > > > 4 CHHATHEY (6th) 9 ,12 MAAREY, 3 DOOJAA NAHI BACHTAA HO

> > > > GURU RAAHU KHUD JAD SE KATtEY, SUKHIYAA RAANI NA RAJA HO

> > > > SHANI RAVI KOYEE 12 BAITHEY ASAR JEHAR NA UN PAR HO.

> > > > SAATH SAATHI GRAH SHATRU HOTE JEHAR SHANI MAIN BHARTAA HO

> > > > Now Pujya Pandit ji used to establish Saturn at budh &

himself

> > said shani & Ravi will reduce the poison of Budh.In this perview

> > Pandit ji suggested BEJOD FAULAD KA CHHALLA (jise jod ya taankaa

na

> > lagaa ho, means open ended)

> > > > The conflict is here to know about wat is BEJOD. I saw many

> > opinions at this. I want to say that Pandit ji could use the

word ---

> > dhalaayee main dhaal kar banyaa huyaa ya dhalaa hua . It was not

a

> > rare word at that time.Plz read my observations with the lalkitab

> > verdicts.

> > > > Ans no.3 a :- At other side clearly said --- JOD YA TAANKAA

NA

> > LAGAA HO. ( It means jod or welding will include Rahu with budh

& it

> > will give bad effects.) As wel as, about one peace without joint

or

> > moulded ring , it will be Budh's impact at shani. Here is no

lozic

> > to mix budh & shani or establishing Budh

> > > > .Ans No.3b :- Here clear lozic is to establish a planet which

> > may be respectful to guru & may be the friend of budh. Both these

> > attributes are in Saturn only. (That is why, Pujya Pandit Ji did

not

> > told to wear a BEJOD-ring of silver or copper) At other side it

can

> > control hidden bad activities of rahu supporting Budh. So BEJOD

> > (Open ended)RING AT LAST FINGER (Which is directly concerned with

> > budh ) is a remedy. Otherwise wearing Budh for malefic Budh ,how

> > much proper ,all of u can analyze. Even Respected Pandit ji

written--

> > KHAALIS FAULAD JISE JANG (Rust = Rahu) NA LAGNE

PAAYEâ€¦â€¦â€¦â€¦JIS KADAR

> > JYADAA CHAMAKDAAR SAAF SUTHRAA HOGAA USI KADAR LAMP MAIN SAAF

> > CHIMNEY YA BIJLI KEE LEHAR KE LIYE BALB KA KAAM DEGA AUR BHAGYA

KI

> > SOYEE HUYEE LEHAR KO FAURAN JAGAA DEGAA .Wat a similey used by

> > Pandit ji ï¿½â‚¬ " Evil Electric waves of Rahu- part of Budh can be

modified

> > as a light of lamp of good luck. So much equal to the power &

use of

> > electricity in modern age. It means pure Saturn ,even

> > > > which would not be covered by Rahu (Rust), then how it can be

> > used it in the shape of Budh. All of all, only Saturn's

> > establishment at Budh is motive there & it is clearly written in

> > lalkitab.

> > > > With readings of this revered book, In my opinion--Making

Ring

> > completely rounded will disturb the remedy ,even it may be TAANKE

> > WAALI or MOULDED. Making it jointless with two ends is a

> > establishment of saturn with a path for Jupiter into budh under

the

> > supervision of Saturn.(Ya aise bola jaye ki budh ke daayre main

> > brihaspati ki havaa ka raastaa denaa hoga. Isee vazah se hee

Budh 12

> > ke liye kesar ka TILAK bhi kahaa gayaa hai taaki budh ka masnuyee

> > walaa guru ka hissa(Part) theek ho jaye use POWER miley aur Pujya

> > Pandit ji ne to yah bhi likhaa hai ki RAAKH (Budh) KA TILAK PITA

> > (Guru) PAR BHAAREE HOGAA. Means establishment of BUDH by TILAK of

> > RAAKH will create distruction at all.So it is very clear that

> > eastablishment of budh has been totally denied & once Budh is

denied

> > totally,how it is possible to accept as a remedial tool again,

It is

> > the reason that endless ring also will be denied .Or we can say

> > Saturn is as a medium or middle-man

> > > > there only.

> > > >

> > > > With regards

> > > > Pt.Lalkitabee

> > > >

<%

40>,

> > Yograj Prabhakar

> > yr_prabhakar@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Respected Dr. Kiranjit Sahib,

> > > > >

> > > > > So many techniques are discussed for making Joint Less

Steel

> > Rings, Like the Dhalayi Wala method as mentioned by you, and by

> > cutting a pipe suggested earlier by some other colleague.

> > > > >

> > > > > As far as the Dhalayi Wala method is concerned, it is

> > perfectly alright. But there is a problem in Pipe cutting method,

> > most of the pipes have joint, whereas we require a seamless pipe

for

> > this purpose, and seamless pipes are not easily available and are

> > much more costlier than the normal ones. Moreover pipes have a

fixed

> > inner dia like 12mm, 19mm, 25mm and so on, so making a ring by

> > cutting pipe (even the seamless one) is not a wise idea.

> > > > >

> > > > > The best way is to prepare the Joint less ring is by

drilling

> > a steel rod as per the finger thickness, this can be done on a

lathe

> > machine by a machine man quite easily, all you need is to find a

> > willing machine man.

> > > > >

> > > > > Finally, you have said that every round thing is not

> > necessarily a representative of Budh, can you elaborate this

point

> > for a student like me?

> > > > >

> > > > > With regards

> > > > > Yograj Prabhakar.

> > > > >

> > > > > kiranjit kumar kapatjal@ wrote:

> > > > > dear Friends,

> > > > > There is no doubt that " bejod' stands for without a joint

> > or 'tanka'(goldsmith's language) i.e. the silver bangle has to be

> > made by a workman who makes it by DHALAI. These workmen r now

> > difficult to find with the result that the practiotioners of lk

> > started talking of pipes etc.

> > > > > the same is for steel ring for budh 12. where ever the word

> > is " bejod " it is dhalai wala i.e. pouring the molten metal into a

> > sancha. As mentioned earlier also, every round thing is not

> > necessarily a representative of budh.

> > > > > wih best wishes;

> > > > > sincerely,

> > > > > kiranjeet

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