Guest guest Posted March 8, 2005 Report Share Posted March 8, 2005 Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhav chalit kundli", but, many a times, according to my experience, we get correct results by "Janma Lagna Kundli" only. I experienced that we can predict the nature & other details of a person more accurately by simple "Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart. What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases, cusp chart indicates correct situation. This is totally confusing, Which chart one should use for correct results? I seek your opinion & experiences too. Regards Abhay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2005 Report Share Posted March 9, 2005 Dear Mr. Anant I am using KP only. Pls. check out the following horoscope. All other members can also study this horosocpe & let me know. Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule, Maharashtra, INDIA Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E 1) I have attahced the word file having the "Janma Lagna Kundli" & "Cusp Kundli" 2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha from July 2003 to July 2006. He went abroad during this period. Saturn is in Nakshatra of Mercury. 3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn is in no way related to 12th house. Still he went abroad. but, as per Janma Lagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra & mercury is in 12th house,so, saturn is related with 12th house as per Janma Lagna Kundli but, not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this? 4) Of course, Earlier there was Rahu Antardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha. Rahu is related with 12th house as per both the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardasha ends in July 2003 & he went abroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad twice (because of relation with Mercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally, we should have told me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu is in 12th house only. What you think about all this? What is the reason for his going abroad even when the Mahadasha & Antardasha lord is in no way related with 12th house. Such examples make me confused about using Cusp Chart. Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote: Dear Abhay Godse Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P. Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord of the House is considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali. --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhavchalit kundli", but, many a times, according to my experience, we get correctresults by "Janma Lagna Kundli" only. I experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of a person more accurately by simple "Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart.What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation. This is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results? I seek your opinion & experiencestoo. Regards Abhay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2005 Report Share Posted March 10, 2005 Dear Abhay Godse Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P. Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord of the House is considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali. --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use " Cusp chart " / " Bhavchalit kundli " , but, many a times, according to my experience, we get correctresults by " Janma Lagna Kundli " only. I experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of a person more accurately by simple " Janma Lagna Kundli " than Cusp chart.What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation. This is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results? I seek your opinion & experiencestoo. Regards Abhay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Dear Ron Gaunt Thanks for your reply. I am sending one Example by another mail. Pls. check it. I hope all others will also check it & will give their feedback. Regards Abhay rongaunt wrote: Abhay, I presume by "Janma Lagna Kundli" you are referring to the Bhava Lagna ie the same degree in each house as the natal Ascendant. This is referred to as MEP in the SATVA System. Like you I have found these house points to be valid - and important. So I use them as well as the Placidean Cusps. I do not consider that I am then using two house cusps, as I believe the MEP to be simply the 12th harmonic of the natal chart. Actually the MEP fits in quite well with KP because KP has great trinal signification, with these houses having the same Star and Sub Lord. I look at it like this: Houses 1-5-9 are dharma bhavas. Dharma is doing what you are born to do. It is innate disposition. We frequently see this manifest as 'luck' but in reality it has been earned. Houses 2-6-10 are Artha bhavas. Artha is wealth, aquisitions, resources. We see these are the houses which KP concentrate on regarding these matters. Houses 3-7-11 are the Kama bhavas. Kama is relationships and desires arising from these. Houses 4-8-12 are the Moksha bhavas. Moksha appears to be bondage through to freedom. It is the process of attaining self knowledge through experience. It is casting off, and change. >From the foregoing you can now assess the impact of the Star Lord and Sub Lord in these various areas of life. If the Sub Lord is say antagonistic towards the Star Lord of the Kama bhavas, the person will have great inter-relationship problems. If a natal planet is on the MEP this planet will signify this problem. Likewise transits of this point by other planets as well will bring out the relationship problem. If the sub Lord and Star Lord are amicable towards each other, then the MEP transit will signify success in relationship etc. Hope this helps. Ron Gaunt >On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 23:11:12 +0530, you wrote: Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhav chalit kundli", but, many a times, according to my experience, we get correct results by "Janma Lagna Kundli" only. I experienced that we can predict the nature & other details of a person more accurately by simple "Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart. What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases, cusp chart indicates correct situation. This is totally confusing, Which chart one should use for correct results? I seek your opinion & experiences too. Regards Abhay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2005 Report Share Posted March 11, 2005 Dear Mr. Anant Thanks for your reply but, 1) Which aspect one should consider? Hindu aspect or western aspect? This all creates confusion. 2) You said about "fulfilment of one's wishes", but, it was not his desire to go abroad. One can understand the importance of 11th house in all questions in "Prashna Chart" 2) I think, in KP, we consider 3rd house & 9th house is for national traveling & 12th for traveling abroad. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all. 3) As you have given that 3rd house is considered for traveling abroad, but, this doesn't sounds correct as i have seen many horoscopes wherein people travel abroad in case the Antardasha lord is realted with 12th house or at the most 9th. But, consideting 3rd house doesn't sounds correct to me. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all 4) Since, Rahu is placed in the 12th house itself in Cusp chart, i am sure most of the astrologer would have told him that he will go abroad in "Rahu" Antardasha & it would have gone wrong. Other Members can throw light on this point also Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote: Dear Abhay Godse Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th house He gives the result of the 11th. We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one's wishes. In fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th. Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by western aspect (3rd is important for travelling abroad). Thus saturn has has given the correct results. You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, which are equally effective. I hope this clarifies the issues. good luck --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Mr. Anant I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. All other members can also study this horosocpe & let me know. Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E 1) I have attahced the word filehaving the "Janma Lagna Kundli" & "Cusp Kundli" 2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha from July 2003 to July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in Nakshatra of Mercury. 3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house. Still he went abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra & mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house as per Janma Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this? 4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha. Rahu is related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardasha ends in July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad twice (because of relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally, we should havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu is in 12thhouse only. What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his going abroad even when the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12th house. Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart. Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P. Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord of theHouse is considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali. --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhavchalit kundli", but, many a times, accordingto my experience, we get correctresults by "Janma Lagna Kundli" only.I experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of aperson more accurately by simple "Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart.What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.This is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?I seek your opinion & experiencestoo. Regards Abhay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Abhay, I presume by " Janma Lagna Kundli " you are referring to the Bhava Lagna ie the same degree in each house as the natal Ascendant. This is referred to as MEP in the SATVA System. Like you I have found these house points to be valid - and important. So I use them as well as the Placidean Cusps. I do not consider that I am then using two house cusps, as I believe the MEP to be simply the 12th harmonic of the natal chart. Actually the MEP fits in quite well with KP because KP has great trinal signification, with these houses having the same Star and Sub Lord. I look at it like this: Houses 1-5-9 are dharma bhavas. Dharma is doing what you are born to do. It is innate disposition. We frequently see this manifest as 'luck' but in reality it has been earned. Houses 2-6-10 are Artha bhavas. Artha is wealth, aquisitions, resources. We see these are the houses which KP concentrate on regarding these matters. Houses 3-7-11 are the Kama bhavas. Kama is relationships and desires arising from these. Houses 4-8-12 are the Moksha bhavas. Moksha appears to be bondage through to freedom. It is the process of attaining self knowledge through experience. It is casting off, and change. From the foregoing you can now assess the impact of the Star Lord and Sub Lord in these various areas of life. If the Sub Lord is say antagonistic towards the Star Lord of the Kama bhavas, the person will have great inter-relationship problems. If a natal planet is on the MEP this planet will signify this problem. Likewise transits of this point by other planets as well will bring out the relationship problem. If the sub Lord and Star Lord are amicable towards each other, then the MEP transit will signify success in relationship etc. Hope this helps. Ron Gaunt >On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 23:11:12 +0530, you wrote: Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use " Cusp chart " / " Bhav chalit kundli " , but, many a times, according to my experience, we get correct results by " Janma Lagna Kundli " only. I experienced that we can predict the nature & other details of a person more accurately by simple " Janma Lagna Kundli " than Cusp chart. What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases, cusp chart indicates correct situation. This is totally confusing, Which chart one should use for correct results? I seek your opinion & experiences too. Regards Abhay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Dear Ron Gaunt Thanks for the analysis. I agree to you that even 9th house indicates long tour which might be abroad trip also, So, ultimately, it will be possible to tell the person that he will go on a "long tour" (due to effect of 9th house) But, it will Not be possible to tell him whether he will go "Abraod" Or just a "long distance tour" within the country. I find that the connection to 12th house esatablished by you in Sat. Antardasha is too much indirect. But, if you see the normal "Lagna chart" (not Cusp chart) then, you will find that Mer. is there in 12th house & Since Mer. is the star lord of Sat., he went for a aborod trip in Sat. Antardasha. This way, Sat. becomes the strong significator of 12th house. He went abroad TWICE in Sat. Antardasha. This is because Mer. is the starlord of Sat. Mercury indicates anything more than one. Mer. indicates that the a particular will happen more than once. If we go by Cusp Chart, then, the second questions arises about Rahu Antardasha in Jup. Mahadasha, Since Rahu itself is there in the 12th house, it strongly indicates abroad trip. i am sure that all KP astrologers would have told him about the Abroad trip in the period of Rahu only. Regards Abhay rongaunt wrote: Abhay, I haven't had a lot of time to study this case because I have just come back from being away, and have a lot to catch up on. My understanding from a house point of view is that the 3rd relates to short trips, the 9th to long and overseas trips, and the 12th to long trip with permanent stay ie emigration. There are of course other considerations. >From what I can see the overseas trips took place in Sat Sat. Sat is in the star of Mercury sub of Jup. Mercury is the joint lord of the 9th and Jupiter is resident in the 9th so giving long trip. Jupiter is in the star of Mars Lord of 3rd and sub of Sun Lord of 12th emphasizing the trips. Mercury is significator for 1,2,9,10,11. which suggests trip for business or career advancement. In the last Solar Eclipse (SE) before the first trip, SE Jupiter came exact conjunction with natal Mercury. Also SE Rahu came close aspect natal Mercury becoming exact in Jan 04. In the natal chart Sat aspects Rahu. In the last SE before the 2nd trip on 14th Oct 2004 the SE point came close conjunct natal Rahu. Rahu is in the star of Mars and is thus linked to Jupiter and Asc who both have Mars as Star Lord. In Jan 2005 transiting Jupiter comes exact conjunction with natal Rahu. At the same time transit Ketu comes exact conjunction with natal Jupiter. As we see on both occasions there was a lot of 9th house emphasis which sent him on a long trip. Hope this helps Ron Gaunt On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:57:02 +0530, you wrote: Dear Mr. Anant Thanks for your reply but, 1) Which aspect one should consider? Hindu aspect or western aspect? This all creates confusion. 2) You said about "fulfilment of one's wishes", but, it was not his desire to go abroad. One can understand the importance of 11th house in all questions in "Prashna Chart" 2) I think, in KP, we consider 3rd house & 9th house is for national traveling & 12th for traveling abroad. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all. 3) As you have given that 3rd house is considered for traveling abroad, but, this doesn't sounds correct as i have seen many horoscopes wherein people travel abroad in case the Antardasha lord is realted with 12th house or at the most 9th. But, consideting 3rd house doesn't sounds correct to me. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all 4) Since, Rahu is placed in the 12th house itself in Cusp chart, i am sure most of the astrologer would have told him that he will go abroad in "Rahu" Antardasha & it would have gone wrong. Other Members can throw light on this point also Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote: Dear Abhay Godse Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th house He gives the result of the 11th. We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one's wishes. In fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th. Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by western aspect (3rd is important for travelling abroad). Thus saturn has has given the correct results. You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, which are equally effective. I hope this clarifies the issues. good luck --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Mr. Anant I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. All other members can also study this horosocpe & let me know. Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E 1) I have attahced the word filehaving the "Janma Lagna Kundli" & "Cusp Kundli" 2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha from July 2003 to July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in Nakshatra of Mercury. 3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house. Still he went abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra & mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house as per Janma Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this? 4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha. Rahu is related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardasha ends in July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad twice (because of relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally, we should havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu is in 12thhouse only. What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his going abroad even when the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12th house. Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart. Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P. Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord of theHouse is considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali. --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhavchalit kundli", but, many a times, accordingto my experience, we get correctresults by "Janma Lagna Kundli" only.I experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of aperson more accurately by simple "Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart.What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.This is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?I seek your opinion & experiencestoo. Regards Abhay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Dear Balaji Why Not the abroad trip happened in the Rahu Antardasha (which was before the sat. Mahadasha)?? Rahu is located in 12th house only as per Cusp chart. I am sorry to tell you but, most KP astrologer would have definitely told him "Abroad" trip in this Rahu Antardasha. I am not at all doing any criticism on KP as such, i am a professional KP astrologer myself, I just can't criticize KP, Pls. do not misunderstand me, but, i had some doubts about the Cusp chart since long time. Many times, i found the answers correct by using normal "Lagna chart" then "Cusp chart", i don't know why & i am asking the same thing through theses examples., that's it, nothing else. Regards Abhay "Balaji G.krishnan" wrote: Dear Ghodseji Let me clarify you one point that.......everything has been already tested and applied by numerous K.P students and what is now we have should be understood clearly and just analyse...Result will be known. 3rd bhava is very important as Raichurji has said because it denotes going away from residence or place of residing. 9th denotes Long journey and it might be within or away as denoted by the planets involved and its significance to the respective bhavas. 12th denotes going to a new environment might be local or international.All the three bhavas should be interconnected and if sat becomes 12th CSL it denotes going abroad----long way(Example:USA ). Just Understand,Analyse and Apply the theories.I am sorry.Dont take it as advice but a kind suggestion from a friend. Reference:K.P & Astrology Year 2002 Page 39 and 194. ByeBalaji Gopalakrishnan Dear Mr. Anant Thanks for your reply but, 1) Which aspect one should consider? Hindu aspect or western aspect? This all creates confusion. 2) You said about "fulfilment of one's wishes", but, it was not his desire to go abroad. One can understand the importance of 11th house in all questions in "Prashna Chart" 2) I think, in KP, we consider 3rd house & 9th house is for national traveling & 12th for traveling abroad. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all. 3) As you have given that 3rd house is considered for traveling abroad, but, this doesn't sounds correct as i have seen many horoscopes wherein people travel abroad in case the Antardasha lord is realted with 12th house or at the most 9th. But, consideting 3rd house doesn't sounds correct to me. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all 4) Since, Rahu is placed in the 12th house itself in Cusp chart, i am sure most of the astrologer would have told him that he will go abroad in "Rahu" Antardasha & it would have gone wrong. Other Members can throw light on this point also Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote: Dear Abhay Godse Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th house He gives the result of the 11th. We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one's wishes. In fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th. Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by western aspect (3rd is important for travelling abroad). Thus saturn has has given the correct results. You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, which are equally effective. I hope this clarifies the issues. good luck --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Mr. Anant I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. All other members can also study this horosocpe & let me know. Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E 1) I have attahced the word filehaving the "Janma Lagna Kundli" & "Cusp Kundli" 2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha from July 2003 to July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in Nakshatra of Mercury. 3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house. Still he went abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra & mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house as per Janma Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this? 4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha. Rahu is related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardasha ends in July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad twice (because of relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally, we should havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu is in 12thhouse only. What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his going abroad even when the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12th house. Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart. Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P. Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord of theHouse is considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali. --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhavchalit kundli", but, many a times, accordingto my experience, we get correctresults by "Janma Lagna Kundli" only.I experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of aperson more accurately by simple "Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart.What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.This is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?I seek your opinion & experiencestoo. Regards Abhay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2005 Report Share Posted March 12, 2005 Abhay, I am just leaving on a few days holiday. Will have a look when I return. Ron Gaunt On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:32:20 +0530, you wrote: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Dear TW & Mr. Anant Thanks for the clarification on my Queries. Regards Abhay tw853 wrote: Dear Abhay, >>Rahu is located in 12th house only as per Cusp chart. I am sorry to >>tell you but, most KP astrologer would have definitely told >>him "Abroad" trip in this Rahu Antardasha. 1. 12th house may indicate not only foreign, but also hospital, jail, etc. 2. It's correct that 9th---long journey-- in KP Reader II, III & VI but it is also meant for foreign journey by KP followers, e.g. a/ long journey- forign travel in Chandra Kant Bhat's Nakshatra Chintamani, p 13; b/ 9th--- foreign land, N. Pandu "Who will settle in Foreign/", KP Annual 2002, 39-41; c/ 9th-- long journey, long distance strangers and foreigners, R. Gopal "Overseas Travel- When?" KP Annual, 2005, pp 21-22; d/ foreign travel --long journey, T. Rajendra Kmar, "Enigmatic Horoscopes & Mysterious Keys", KP Annual 2004, pp 26-28 , and so on. 3. If all 3,9 & 12 are shown at the time of prediction, astrologer is lucky,--- only one of them is shown-- a test for proper judgement; without any sign of 3,9 & 12 some have gone abroad , and justification is difficult, Dr. Kar's theory "Conjunction/aspect has a big role---" may be helpful. Best regards, tw , Abhay Godse <abhaygodse@e...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2005 Report Share Posted March 13, 2005 Dear Abhay Godse Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th house He gives the result of the 11th. We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one's wishes. In fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th. Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by western aspect (3rd is important for travelling abroad). Thus saturn has has given the correct results. You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, which are equally effective. I hope this clarifies the issues. good luck --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Mr. Anant I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. All other members can also study this horosocpe & let me know. Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E 1) I have attahced the word filehaving the " Janma Lagna Kundli " & " Cusp Kundli " 2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha from July 2003 to July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in Nakshatra of Mercury. 3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house. Still he went abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra & mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house as per Janma Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this? 4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha. Rahu is related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardasha ends in July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad twice (because of relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally, we should havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu is in 12thhouse only. What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his going abroad even when the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12th house. Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart. Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P. Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord of theHouse is considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali. --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use " Cusp chart " / " Bhavchalit kundli " , but, many a times, accordingto my experience, we get correctresults by " Janma Lagna Kundli " only.I experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of aperson more accurately by simple " Janma Lagna Kundli " than Cusp chart.What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.This is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?I seek your opinion & experiencestoo. Regards Abhay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2005 Report Share Posted March 16, 2005 Abhay, I haven't had a lot of time to study this case because I have just come back from being away, and have a lot to catch up on. My understanding from a house point of view is that the 3rd relates to short trips, the 9th to long and overseas trips, and the 12th to long trip with permanent stay ie emigration. There are of course other considerations. From what I can see the overseas trips took place in Sat Sat. Sat is in the star of Mercury sub of Jup. Mercury is the joint lord of the 9th and Jupiter is resident in the 9th so giving long trip. Jupiter is in the star of Mars Lord of 3rd and sub of Sun Lord of 12th emphasizing the trips. Mercury is significator for 1,2,9,10,11. which suggests trip for business or career advancement. In the last Solar Eclipse (SE) before the first trip, SE Jupiter came exact conjunction with natal Mercury. Also SE Rahu came close aspect natal Mercury becoming exact in Jan 04. In the natal chart Sat aspects Rahu. In the last SE before the 2nd trip on 14th Oct 2004 the SE point came close conjunct natal Rahu. Rahu is in the star of Mars and is thus linked to Jupiter and Asc who both have Mars as Star Lord. In Jan 2005 transiting Jupiter comes exact conjunction with natal Rahu. At the same time transit Ketu comes exact conjunction with natal Jupiter. As we see on both occasions there was a lot of 9th house emphasis which sent him on a long trip. Hope this helps Ron Gaunt On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:57:02 +0530, you wrote: Dear Mr. Anant Thanks for your reply but, 1) Which aspect one should consider? Hindu aspect or western aspect? This all creates confusion. 2) You said about " fulfilment of one's wishes " , but, it was not his desire to go abroad. One can understand the importance of 11th house in all questions in " Prashna Chart " 2) I think, in KP, we consider 3rd house & 9th house is for national traveling & 12th for traveling abroad. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all. 3) As you have given that 3rd house is considered for traveling abroad, but, this doesn't sounds correct as i have seen many horoscopes wherein people travel abroad in case the Antardasha lord is realted with 12th house or at the most 9th. But, consideting 3rd house doesn't sounds correct to me. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all 4) Since, Rahu is placed in the 12th house itself in Cusp chart, i am sure most of the astrologer would have told him that he will go abroad in " Rahu " Antardasha & it would have gone wrong. Other Members can throw light on this point also Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote: Dear Abhay Godse Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th house He gives the result of the 11th. We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one's wishes. In fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th. Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by western aspect (3rd is important for travelling abroad). Thus saturn has has given the correct results. You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, which are equally effective. I hope this clarifies the issues. good luck --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Mr. Anant I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. All other members can also study this horosocpe & let me know. Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E 1) I have attahced the word filehaving the " Janma Lagna Kundli " & " Cusp Kundli " 2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha from July 2003 to July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in Nakshatra of Mercury. 3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house. Still he went abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra & mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house as per Janma Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this? 4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha. Rahu is related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardasha ends in July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad twice (because of relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally, we should havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu is in 12thhouse only. What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his going abroad even when the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12th house. Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart. Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P. Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord of theHouse is considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali. --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use " Cusp chart " / " Bhavchalit kundli " , but, many a times, accordingto my experience, we get correctresults by " Janma Lagna Kundli " only.I experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of aperson more accurately by simple " Janma Lagna Kundli " than Cusp chart.What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.This is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?I seek your opinion & experiencestoo. Regards Abhay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Dear Mr.Abhay Godse K.P is the most refined,scientific method of astrology.Many experts have contributed by real research and tests. It is useful now for many in day-to-day life in a very wonderful way.Many cases we have discussed and still we are seeing and hope it will be seen. K.P is good and astrologers or the people involved is not clear and good to handle it.Ofcourse,they may be correct in future. In your chart as per the given time,it is showing crystal clear the event of going abroad.Just cast the chart using K.P ayanamsa(Pls use Mr.Raichurji's software,if possible) and follow the principles as given in K.P reader III. Dont divert or get confused,if many events are not tallying then chart should be rectified not the great system or people around it. You got it.Wishing u all the best.Sat conj with sun lord of 12 and in 11 in the star of mercury which is in 12 also lord of 1 and 10..Thats all also mars lord of 3 is there linkled to sub of sat. and mars in 9...WHAT ELSE IS NEEDED?. All the best. Bye Balaji GopalakrishnanAbhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Mr. Anant I am using KP only. Pls. check out the following horoscope. All other members can also study this horosocpe & let me know. Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule, Maharashtra, INDIA Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E 1) I have attahced the word file having the "Janma Lagna Kundli" & "Cusp Kundli" 2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha from July 2003 to July 2006. He went abroad during this period. Saturn is in Nakshatra of Mercury. 3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn is in no way related to 12th house. Still he went abroad. but, as per Janma Lagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra & mercury is in 12th house,so, saturn is related with 12th house as per Janma Lagna Kundli but, not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this? 4) Of course, Earlier there was Rahu Antardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha. Rahu is related with 12th house as per both the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardasha ends in July 2003 & he went abroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad twice (because of relation with Mercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally, we should have told me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu is in 12th house only. What you think about all this? What is the reason for his going abroad even when the Mahadasha & Antardasha lord is in no way related with 12th house. Such examples make me confused about using Cusp Chart. Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote: Dear Abhay Godse Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P. Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord of the House is considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali. --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhavchalit kundli", but, many a times, according to my experience, we get correctresults by "Janma Lagna Kundli" only. I experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of a person more accurately by simple "Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart.What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation. This is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results? I seek your opinion & experiencestoo. Regards Abhay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Dear Ghodseji Let me clarify you one point that.......everything has been already tested and applied by numerous K.P students and what is now we have should be understood clearly and just analyse...Result will be known. 3rd bhava is very important as Raichurji has said because it denotes going away from residence or place of residing. 9th denotes Long journey and it might be within or away as denoted by the planets involved and its significance to the respective bhavas. 12th denotes going to a new environment might be local or international. All the three bhavas should be interconnected and if sat becomes 12th CSL it denotes going abroad----long way(Example:USA ). Just Understand,Analyse and Apply the theories. I am sorry.Dont take it as advice but a kind suggestion from a friend. Reference:K.P & Astrology Year 2002 Page 39 and 194. Bye Balaji Gopalakrishnan Dear Mr. Anant Thanks for your reply but, 1) Which aspect one should consider? Hindu aspect or western aspect? This all creates confusion. 2) You said about "fulfilment of one's wishes", but, it was not his desire to go abroad. One can understand the importance of 11th house in all questions in "Prashna Chart" 2) I think, in KP, we consider 3rd house & 9th house is for national traveling & 12th for traveling abroad. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all. 3) As you have given that 3rd house is considered for traveling abroad, but, this doesn't sounds correct as i have seen many horoscopes wherein people travel abroad in case the Antardasha lord is realted with 12th house or at the most 9th. But, consideting 3rd house doesn't sounds correct to me. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all 4) Since, Rahu is placed in the 12th house itself in Cusp chart, i am sure most of the astrologer would have told him that he will go abroad in "Rahu" Antardasha & it would have gone wrong. Other Members can throw light on this point also Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote: Dear Abhay Godse Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th house He gives the result of the 11th. We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one's wishes. In fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th. Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by western aspect (3rd is important for travelling abroad). Thus saturn has has given the correct results. You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, which are equally effective. I hope this clarifies the issues. good luck --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Mr. Anant I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. All other members can also study this horosocpe & let me know. Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E 1) I have attahced the word filehaving the "Janma Lagna Kundli" & "Cusp Kundli" 2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha from July 2003 to July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in Nakshatra of Mercury. 3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house. Still he went abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra & mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house as per Janma Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this? 4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha. Rahu is related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardasha ends in July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad twice (because of relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally, we should havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu is in 12thhouse only. What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his going abroad even when the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12th house. Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart. Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P. Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord of theHouse is considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali. --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhavchalit kundli", but, many a times, accordingto my experience, we get correctresults by "Janma Lagna Kundli" only.I experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of aperson more accurately by simple "Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart.What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.This is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?I seek your opinion & experiencestoo. Regards Abhay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Dear Mr Godse If you find Lagna Rasi Charts give you better results than the Cuspal charts, you are free to follow that method, in addition to KP I know a friend who has written an article, where in he has shown that the the Normal Chart for the time he is looking at a question, gives the same result as the Eegular Horary with the No gien by the client good Luck --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Balaji Why Not the abroad trip happenedin the Rahu Antardasha (which was before the sat. Mahadasha)?? Rahu islocated in 12th house only as per Cusp chart. I am sorry to tell you but,most KP astrologer would have definitely told him " Abroad " trip in thisRahu Antardasha. I am not at all doing any criticismon KP as such, i am a professional KP astrologer myself, I just can't criticizeKP, Pls. do not misunderstand me, but, i had some doubts about the Cuspchart since long time. Many times, i found the answers correct by usingnormal " Lagna chart " then " Cusp chart " , i don't know why & i am askingthe same thing through theses examples., that's it, nothing else. Regards Abhay " Balaji G.krishnan " wrote: Dear Ghodseji Let me clarify you one pointthat.......everything has been already tested and applied by numerous K.Pstudents and what is now we have should be understood clearly and justanalyse...Result will be known. 3rd bhava is very important as Raichurjihas said because it denotes going away from residence or place of residing.9th denotes Long journey and it might be within or away as denoted by theplanets involved and its significance to the respective bhavas. 12th denotesgoing to a new environment might be local or international.All the threebhavas should be interconnected and if sat becomes 12th CSL it denotesgoing abroad----long way(Example:USA ). Just Understand,Analyse and Applythe theories.I am sorry.Dont take it as advice but a kind suggestion froma friend. Reference:K.P & Astrology Year2002 Page 39 and 194. ByeBalaji Gopalakrishnan DearMr. Anant Thanks for your reply but, 1) Which aspect one should consider?Hindu aspect or western aspect? This all creates confusion. 2) You said about " fulfilment ofone's wishes " , but, it was not his desire to go abroad. One can understandthe importance of 11th house in all questions in " Prashna Chart " 2) I think, in KP, we consider3rd house & 9th house is for national traveling & 12th for travelingabroad. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all. 3) As you have given that 3rd houseis considered for traveling abroad, but, this doesn't sounds correct asi have seen many horoscopes wherein people travel abroad in case the Antardashalord is realted with 12th house or at the most 9th. But, consideting 3rdhouse doesn't sounds correct to me. Other Members can also make thispoint more clear to all 4) Since, Rahu is placed in the 12thhouse itself in Cusp chart, i am sure most of the astrologer would havetold him that he will go abroad in " Rahu " Antardasha & it would havegone wrong. Other Members can throw light on this point also Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th houseHe gives the result of the 11th. We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one'swishes. In fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th. Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by westernaspect (3rd is important for travelling abroad). Thus saturn has has given the correct results. You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, whichare equally effective. I hope this clarifies the issues. good luck --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Mr. Anant I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. Allother members can also study this horosocpe & let me know. Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E 1) I have attahced the word filehaving the " Janma Lagna Kundli " & " Cusp Kundli " 2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardashafrom July 2003 to July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in Nakshatraof Mercury. 3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house.Still he went abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra & mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house asper Janma Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this? 4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha.Rahu is related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardashaends in July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroadtwice (because of relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally,we should havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahuis in 12thhouse only. What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his goingabroad even when the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12thhouse. Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart. Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P. Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lordof theHouse is considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali. --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use " Cusp chart " / " Bhavchalit kundli " , but, many a times,accordingto my experience, we get correctresults by " Janma Lagna Kundli " only.I experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details ofaperson more accurately by simple " Janma Lagna Kundli " than Cusp chart.What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.This is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?Iseek your opinion & experiencestoo. Regards Abhay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Dear Abhay, >>Rahu is located in 12th house only as per Cusp chart. I am sorry to >>tell you but, most KP astrologer would have definitely told >>him " Abroad " trip in this Rahu Antardasha. 1. 12th house may indicate not only foreign, but also hospital, jail, etc. 2. It's correct that 9th---long journey-- in KP Reader II, III & VI but it is also meant for foreign journey by KP followers, e.g. a/ long journey- forign travel in Chandra Kant Bhat's Nakshatra Chintamani, p 13; b/ 9th--- foreign land, N. Pandu " Who will settle in Foreign/ " , KP Annual 2002, 39-41; c/ 9th-- long journey, long distance strangers and foreigners, R. Gopal " Overseas Travel- When? " KP Annual, 2005, pp 21-22; d/ foreign travel --long journey, T. Rajendra Kmar, " Enigmatic Horoscopes & Mysterious Keys " , KP Annual 2004, pp 26-28 , and so on. 3. If all 3,9 & 12 are shown at the time of prediction, astrologer is lucky,--- only one of them is shown-- a test for proper judgement; without any sign of 3,9 & 12 some have gone abroad , and justification is difficult, Dr. Kar's theory " Conjunction/aspect has a big role--- " may be helpful. Best regards, tw , Abhay Godse <abhaygodse@e...> wrote: > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 17, 2005 Report Share Posted March 17, 2005 Godse ji, Just to add to the Raichur ji's point, I have seen most of the vedic astrology systems (especially Tajik Varshaphal, KP, Lal Kitab, and Classical Astrology) give the same results. I normally find it useful to verify the results of one system using other system. Even Sri KSK were of the same opinion and sometimes he even recommended progression for timing events with Vimsottari Dasa system. Thanks & Regards, Punit Pandey On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:49:20 -0800 (PST), anant raichur <anant_1608 wrote: > Dear Mr Godse > > If you find Lagna Rasi Charts give you better results than the Cuspal > charts, > > you are free to follow that method, in addition to KP > > I know a friend who has written an article, where in he has shown that the > > the Normal Chart for the time he is looking at a question, gives the same > > result as the Eegular Horary with the No gien by the client > > > good Luck > --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: > > > > Dear Balaji > Why Not the abroad trip happenedin the Rahu Antardasha (which was before the > sat. Mahadasha)?? Rahu islocated in 12th house only as per Cusp chart. I am > sorry to tell you but,most KP astrologer would have definitely told him > " Abroad " trip in thisRahu Antardasha. > I am not at all doing any criticismon KP as such, i am a professional KP > astrologer myself, I just can't criticizeKP, Pls. do not misunderstand me, > but, > i had some doubts about the Cuspchart since long time. Many times, i found > the > answers correct by usingnormal " Lagna chart " then " Cusp chart " , i don't know > why & i am askingthe same thing through theses examples., that's it, nothing > else. > Regards > Abhay > > " Balaji G.krishnan " wrote: Dear Ghodseji Let me clarify you one > pointthat.......everything has been already tested and applied by numerous > K.Pstudents and what is now we have should be understood clearly and > justanalyse...Result will be known. 3rd bhava is very important as > Raichurjihas > said because it denotes going away from residence or place of residing.9th > denotes Long journey and it might be within or away as denoted by theplanets > involved and its significance to the respective bhavas. 12th denotesgoing to > a > new environment might be local or international.All the threebhavas should > be > interconnected and if sat becomes 12th CSL it denotesgoing abroad----long > way(Example:USA ). Just Understand,Analyse and Applythe theories.I am > sorry.Dont take it as advice but a kind suggestion froma friend. > Reference:K.P > & Astrology Year2002 Page 39 and 194. ByeBalaji Gopalakrishnan > DearMr. Anant > Thanks for your reply but, > 1) Which aspect one should consider?Hindu aspect or western aspect? This all > creates confusion. > 2) You said about " fulfilment ofone's wishes " , but, it was not his desire to > go > abroad. One can understandthe importance of 11th house in all questions in > " Prashna Chart " > 2) I think, in KP, we consider3rd house & 9th house is for national > traveling > & 12th for travelingabroad. Other Members can also make this point more > clear > to all. > 3) As you have given that 3rd houseis considered for traveling abroad, but, > this doesn't sounds correct asi have seen many horoscopes wherein people > travel > abroad in case the Antardashalord is realted with 12th house or at the most > 9th. But, consideting 3rdhouse doesn't sounds correct to me. Other Members > can > also make thispoint more clear to all > 4) Since, Rahu is placed in the 12thhouse itself in Cusp chart, i am sure > most > of the astrologer would havetold him that he will go abroad in " Rahu " > Antardasha & it would havegone wrong. Other Members can throw light on this > point also > Regards > Abhay > > > > > anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse > Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th houseHe gives > the result of the 11th. > We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one'swishes. In > fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th. > Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by westernaspect > (3rd is important for travelling abroad). > Thus saturn has has given the correct results. > You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, whichare equally > effective. > I hope this clarifies the issues. > good luck > --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: > > Dear Mr. Anant > I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. Allother members > can also study this horosocpe & let me know. > Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA > Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E > 1) I have attahced the word filehaving the " Janma Lagna Kundli " & " Cusp > Kundli " > 2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardashafrom July 2003 to > July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in Nakshatraof > Mercury. > 3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house.Still he > went > abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra & > mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house asper Janma > Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this? > 4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha.Rahu is > related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardashaends > in > July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroadtwice (because > of > relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally,we should > havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahuis in > 12thhouse only. > What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his goingabroad even > when > the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12thhouse. > Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart. > Regards > Abhay > anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse > Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P. > Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lordof theHouse is > considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali. > --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: > > Dear Friends > I have one query.... > In KP we use " Cusp chart " / " Bhavchalit kundli " , but, many a times,accordingto > my experience, we get correctresults by " Janma Lagna Kundli " only.I > experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details ofaperson more > > accurately by simple > " Janma Lagna Kundli " than Cusp chart.What is your experience? > On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.This > is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?Iseek > your opinion & experiencestoo. > Regards > Abhay > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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