Janma Lagna chart V/s Cusp Chart

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends

I have one query....

In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhav

chalit kundli", but, many a times, according to my experience, we get correct

results by "Janma Lagna Kundli" only. I experienced that we can predict

the nature & other details of a person more accurately by simple

"Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart.

What is your experience?

On the other hand, in some cases,

cusp chart indicates correct situation. This is totally confusing, Which

chart one should use for correct results? I seek your opinion & experiences

too.

Regards

Abhay

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Anant

I am using KP only. Pls. check out

the following horoscope. All other members can also study this horosocpe

& let me know.

Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,

Maharashtra, INDIA

Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E

1) I have attahced the word file

having the "Janma Lagna Kundli" & "Cusp Kundli"

2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha

& Saturn Antardasha from July 2003 to July 2006. He went abroad during

this period. Saturn is in Nakshatra of Mercury.

3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn is

in no way related to 12th house. Still he went abroad. but, as per Janma

Lagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra & mercury is in 12th

house,so, saturn is related with 12th house as per Janma Lagna Kundli but,

not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this?

4) Of course, Earlier there was Rahu

Antardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha. Rahu is related with 12th house as per

both the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardasha ends in July 2003 & he went

abroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad twice (because of relation with

Mercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally, we should have

told me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu is in 12th

house only.

What you think about all this? What

is the reason for his going abroad even when the Mahadasha & Antardasha

lord is in no way related with 12th house.

Such examples make me confused about

using Cusp Chart.

Regards

Abhay

anant raichur wrote:

Dear Abhay Godse

Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P.

Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord of the

House is

considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali.

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

Dear Friends

I have one query....

In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhavchalit kundli", but, many a times, according

to

my experience, we get correctresults by "Janma Lagna Kundli" only.

I

experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of a

person more

accurately by simple

"Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart.What is your experience?

On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.

This

is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?

I seek

your opinion & experiencestoo.

Regards

Abhay

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Abhay Godse

 

Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P.

 

Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord of the House is

considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali.

 

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

Dear Friends

I have one query....

In KP we use " Cusp chart " / " Bhavchalit kundli " , but, many a times, according to

my experience, we get correctresults by " Janma Lagna Kundli " only. I

experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of a person more

accurately by simple

" Janma Lagna Kundli " than Cusp chart.What is your experience?

On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation. This

is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results? I seek

your opinion & experiencestoo.

Regards

Abhay

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Ron Gaunt

Thanks for your reply. I am sending one Example by another mail. Pls.

check it. I hope all others will also check it & will give their feedback.

Regards

Abhay

rongaunt wrote:

 

Abhay,

I presume by "Janma Lagna Kundli" you are referring to the Bhava

Lagna ie the same degree in each house as the natal Ascendant.

This is referred to as MEP in the SATVA System.

Like you I have found these house points to be valid - and

important. So I use them as well as the Placidean Cusps.

I do

not consider that I am then using two house cusps, as I believe

the MEP to be simply the 12th harmonic of the natal chart.

Actually the MEP fits in quite well with KP because KP has great

trinal signification, with these houses having the same Star and

Sub Lord. I look at it like this:

Houses 1-5-9 are dharma bhavas. Dharma is doing what

you are

born to do. It is innate disposition. We

frequently see this

manifest as 'luck' but in reality it has been earned.

Houses 2-6-10 are Artha bhavas. Artha is wealth, aquisitions,

resources. We see these are the houses which KP concentrate

on

regarding these matters.

Houses 3-7-11 are the Kama bhavas. Kama is relationships

and

desires arising from these.

Houses 4-8-12 are the Moksha bhavas. Moksha appears to be

bondage through to freedom. It is the process of attaining

self

knowledge through experience. It is casting off, and

change.

>From the foregoing you can now assess the impact of the Star Lord

and Sub Lord in these various areas of life. If the Sub Lord

is

say antagonistic towards the Star Lord of the Kama bhavas,

the person will have great inter-relationship problems.

If a

natal planet is on the MEP this planet will signify this problem.

Likewise transits of this point by other planets as well will

bring out the relationship problem. If the sub Lord

and Star

Lord are amicable towards each other, then the MEP transit will

signify success in relationship etc.

Hope this helps.

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

>On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 23:11:12 +0530, you wrote:

Dear Friends

I have one query....

In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhav chalit kundli", but, many a

times, according to my experience, we get correct results by

"Janma Lagna Kundli" only. I experienced that we can predict the

nature & other details of a person more accurately by simple

"Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart. What is your experience?

On the other hand, in some cases, cusp chart indicates correct

situation. This is totally confusing, Which chart one should use

for correct results? I seek your opinion & experiences too.

Regards

Abhay

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Anant

Thanks for your reply but,

1) Which aspect one should consider?

Hindu aspect or western aspect? This all creates confusion.

2) You said about "fulfilment of

one's wishes", but, it was not his desire to go abroad. One can understand

the importance of 11th house in all questions in "Prashna Chart"

2) I think, in KP, we consider

3rd house & 9th house is for national traveling & 12th for traveling

abroad. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all.

3) As you have given that 3rd house

is considered for traveling abroad, but, this doesn't sounds correct as

i have seen many horoscopes wherein people travel abroad in case the Antardasha

lord is realted with 12th house or at the most 9th. But, consideting 3rd

house doesn't sounds correct to me. Other Members can also make this

point more clear to all

4) Since, Rahu is placed in the 12th

house itself in Cusp chart, i am sure most of the astrologer would have

told him that he will go abroad in "Rahu" Antardasha & it would have

gone wrong. Other Members can throw light on this point also

Regards

Abhay

 

 

 

 

anant raichur wrote:

Dear Abhay Godse

Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th house

He gives

the result of the 11th.

We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one's

wishes. In

fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th.

Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by western

aspect

(3rd is important for travelling abroad).

Thus saturn has has given the correct results.

You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, which

are equally

effective.

I hope this clarifies the issues.

good luck

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

Dear Mr. Anant

I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. All

other members

can also study this horosocpe & let me know.

Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA

Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E

1) I have attahced the word filehaving the "Janma Lagna Kundli"

& "Cusp Kundli"

2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha

from July 2003 to

July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in Nakshatra

of Mercury.

3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house.

Still he went

abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra

&

mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house as

per Janma

Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this?

4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha.

Rahu is

related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardasha

ends in

July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad

twice (because of

relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally,

we should

havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu

is in

12thhouse only.

What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his going

abroad even when

the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12th

house.

Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart.

Regards

Abhay

anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse

Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P.

Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord

of theHouse is

considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali.

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

Dear Friends

I have one query....

In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhavchalit kundli", but, many a times,

accordingto

my experience, we get correctresults by "Janma Lagna Kundli" only.I

experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of

aperson more

accurately by simple

"Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart.What is your experience?

On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.This

is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?I

seek

your opinion & experiencestoo.

Regards

Abhay

 

[Guest guest]

Abhay,

 

I presume by " Janma Lagna Kundli " you are referring to the Bhava

Lagna ie the same degree in each house as the natal Ascendant.

This is referred to as MEP in the SATVA System.

 

Like you I have found these house points to be valid - and

important. So I use them as well as the Placidean Cusps. I do

not consider that I am then using two house cusps, as I believe

the MEP to be simply the 12th harmonic of the natal chart.

 

Actually the MEP fits in quite well with KP because KP has great

trinal signification, with these houses having the same Star and

Sub Lord. I look at it like this:

 

Houses 1-5-9 are dharma bhavas. Dharma is doing what you are

born to do. It is innate disposition. We frequently see this

manifest as 'luck' but in reality it has been earned.

 

Houses 2-6-10 are Artha bhavas. Artha is wealth, aquisitions,

resources. We see these are the houses which KP concentrate on

regarding these matters.

 

Houses 3-7-11 are the Kama bhavas. Kama is relationships and

desires arising from these.

 

Houses 4-8-12 are the Moksha bhavas. Moksha appears to be

bondage through to freedom. It is the process of attaining self

knowledge through experience. It is casting off, and change.

 

From the foregoing you can now assess the impact of the Star Lord

and Sub Lord in these various areas of life. If the Sub Lord is

say antagonistic towards the Star Lord of the Kama bhavas,

the person will have great inter-relationship problems. If a

natal planet is on the MEP this planet will signify this problem.

Likewise transits of this point by other planets as well will

bring out the relationship problem. If the sub Lord and Star

Lord are amicable towards each other, then the MEP transit will

signify success in relationship etc.

 

Hope this helps.

 

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

 

>On Tue, 08 Mar 2005 23:11:12 +0530, you wrote:

 

Dear Friends

I have one query....

 

In KP we use " Cusp chart " / " Bhav chalit kundli " , but, many a

times, according to my experience, we get correct results by

" Janma Lagna Kundli " only. I experienced that we can predict the

nature & other details of a person more accurately by simple

" Janma Lagna Kundli " than Cusp chart. What is your experience?

 

On the other hand, in some cases, cusp chart indicates correct

situation. This is totally confusing, Which chart one should use

for correct results? I seek your opinion & experiences too.

 

Regards

 

Abhay

[Guest guest]

Dear Ron Gaunt

Thanks for the analysis. I agree

to you that even 9th house indicates long tour which might be abroad trip

also, So, ultimately, it will be possible to tell the person that he will

go on a "long tour" (due to effect of 9th house) But, it will Not be possible

to tell him whether he will go "Abraod" Or just a "long distance tour"

within the country. I find that the connection to 12th house esatablished

by you in Sat. Antardasha is too much indirect. But, if you see the normal

"Lagna chart" (not Cusp chart) then, you will find that Mer. is there in

12th house & Since Mer. is the star lord of Sat., he went for a aborod

trip in Sat. Antardasha. This way, Sat. becomes the strong significator

of 12th house.

He went abroad TWICE in Sat. Antardasha.

This is because Mer. is the starlord of Sat. Mercury indicates anything

more than one. Mer. indicates that the a particular will happen more than

once.

If we go by Cusp Chart, then, the

second questions arises about Rahu Antardasha in Jup. Mahadasha, Since

Rahu itself is there in the 12th house, it strongly indicates abroad trip.

i am sure that all KP astrologers would have told him about the Abroad

trip in the period of Rahu only.

Regards

Abhay

 

 

rongaunt wrote:

 

Abhay,

I haven't had a lot of time to study this case because I have

just come back from being away, and have a lot to catch up on.

My understanding from a house point of view is that the 3rd

relates to short trips, the 9th to long and overseas trips, and

the 12th to long trip with permanent stay ie emigration.

There

are of course other considerations.

>From what I can see the overseas trips took place in Sat Sat.

Sat is in the star of Mercury sub of Jup. Mercury is

the joint

lord of the 9th and Jupiter is resident in the 9th so giving long

trip. Jupiter is in the star of Mars Lord of 3rd and

sub of Sun

Lord of 12th emphasizing the trips.

Mercury is significator for 1,2,9,10,11. which suggests

trip

for business or career advancement.

In the last Solar Eclipse (SE) before the first trip, SE Jupiter

came exact conjunction with natal Mercury. Also

SE Rahu came

close aspect natal Mercury becoming exact in Jan 04.

In the natal chart Sat aspects Rahu. In the last SE before

the

2nd trip on 14th Oct 2004 the SE point came close conjunct natal

Rahu. Rahu is in the star of Mars and is thus linked

to Jupiter

and Asc who both have Mars as Star Lord. In Jan

2005

transiting Jupiter comes exact conjunction with natal Rahu.

At

the same time transit Ketu comes exact conjunction with natal

Jupiter.

As we see on both occasions there was a lot of 9th house emphasis

which sent him on a long trip.

Hope this helps

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

 

 

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:57:02 +0530, you wrote:

Dear Mr. Anant

Thanks for your reply but,

1) Which aspect one should consider? Hindu aspect or western

aspect? This all creates confusion.

2) You said about "fulfilment of one's wishes", but, it was not

his desire to go abroad. One can understand the importance of

11th house in all questions in "Prashna Chart"

2) I think, in KP, we consider 3rd house & 9th house is

for

national traveling & 12th for traveling abroad. Other Members

can

also make this point more clear to all.

3) As you have given that 3rd house is considered for traveling

abroad, but, this doesn't sounds correct as i have seen many

horoscopes wherein people travel abroad in case the Antardasha

lord is realted with 12th house or at the most 9th. But,

consideting 3rd house doesn't sounds correct to me. Other Members

can also make this point more clear to all

4) Since, Rahu is placed in the 12th house itself in Cusp chart,

i am sure most of the astrologer would have told him that he will

go abroad in "Rahu" Antardasha & it would have gone wrong.

Other

Members can throw light on this point also

Regards

Abhay

 

 

 

 

anant raichur wrote:

Dear Abhay Godse

Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th

house He gives

the result of the 11th.

We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one's

wishes. In

fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th.

Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by

western aspect

(3rd is important for travelling abroad).

Thus saturn has has given the correct results.

You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, which

are equally

effective.

I hope this clarifies the issues.

good luck

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

Dear Mr. Anant

I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. All

other members

can also study this horosocpe & let me know.

Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA

Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E

1) I have attahced the word filehaving the "Janma Lagna Kundli"

&

"Cusp Kundli"

2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha

from

July 2003 to

July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in

Nakshatra of Mercury.

3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house.

Still he went

abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's

Nakshatra &

mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house as

per Janma

Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about

this?

4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter

Mahadasha. Rahu is

related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu

Antardasha ends in

July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad

twice (because of

relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005.

Normally, we should

havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu

is in

12thhouse only.

What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his going

abroad even when

the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12th

house.

Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart.

Regards

Abhay

anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse

Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P.

Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord

of

theHouse is

considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali.

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

Dear Friends

I have one query....

In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhavchalit kundli", but, many a times,

accordingto

my experience, we get correctresults by "Janma Lagna Kundli"

only.I

experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of

aperson more

accurately by simple

"Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart.What is your experience?

On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct

situation.This

is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct

results?I seek

your opinion & experiencestoo.

Regards

Abhay

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Balaji

Why Not the abroad trip happened

in the Rahu Antardasha (which was before the sat. Mahadasha)?? Rahu is

located in 12th house only as per Cusp chart. I am sorry to tell you but,

most KP astrologer would have definitely told him "Abroad" trip in this

Rahu Antardasha.

I am not at all doing any criticism

on KP as such, i am a professional KP astrologer myself, I just can't criticize

KP, Pls. do not misunderstand me, but, i had some doubts about the Cusp

chart since long time. Many times, i found the answers correct by using

normal "Lagna chart" then "Cusp chart", i don't know why & i am asking

the same thing through theses examples., that's it, nothing else.

Regards

Abhay

 

"Balaji G.krishnan" wrote:

Dear Ghodseji Let me clarify you one point

that.......everything has been already tested and applied by numerous K.P

students and what is now we have should be understood clearly and just

analyse...Result will be known. 3rd bhava is very important as Raichurji

has said because it denotes going away from residence or place of residing.

9th denotes Long journey and it might be within or away as denoted by the

planets involved and its significance to the respective bhavas. 12th denotes

going to a new environment might be local or international.All the three

bhavas should be interconnected and if sat becomes 12th CSL it denotes

going abroad----long way(Example:USA ). Just Understand,Analyse and Apply

the theories.I am sorry.Dont take it as advice but a kind suggestion from

a friend. Reference:K.P & Astrology Year

2002 Page 39 and 194. ByeBalaji Gopalakrishnan

 

Dear

Mr. Anant

Thanks for your reply but,

1) Which aspect one should consider?

Hindu aspect or western aspect? This all creates confusion.

2) You said about "fulfilment of

one's wishes", but, it was not his desire to go abroad. One can understand

the importance of 11th house in all questions in "Prashna Chart"

2) I think, in KP, we consider

3rd house & 9th house is for national traveling & 12th for traveling

abroad. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all.

3) As you have given that 3rd house

is considered for traveling abroad, but, this doesn't sounds correct as

i have seen many horoscopes wherein people travel abroad in case the Antardasha

lord is realted with 12th house or at the most 9th. But, consideting 3rd

house doesn't sounds correct to me. Other Members can also make this

point more clear to all

4) Since, Rahu is placed in the 12th

house itself in Cusp chart, i am sure most of the astrologer would have

told him that he will go abroad in "Rahu" Antardasha & it would have

gone wrong. Other Members can throw light on this point also

Regards

Abhay

 

 

 

 

anant raichur wrote:

Dear Abhay Godse

Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th house

He gives

the result of the 11th.

We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one's

wishes. In

fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th.

Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by western

aspect

(3rd is important for travelling abroad).

Thus saturn has has given the correct results.

You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, which

are equally

effective.

I hope this clarifies the issues.

good luck

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

Dear Mr. Anant

I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. All

other members

can also study this horosocpe & let me know.

Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA

Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E

1) I have attahced the word filehaving the "Janma Lagna Kundli"

& "Cusp Kundli"

2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha

from July 2003 to

July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in Nakshatra

of Mercury.

3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house.

Still he went

abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra

&

mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house as

per Janma

Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this?

4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha.

Rahu is

related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardasha

ends in

July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad

twice (because of

relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally,

we should

havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu

is in

12thhouse only.

What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his going

abroad even when

the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12th

house.

Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart.

Regards

Abhay

anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse

Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P.

Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord

of theHouse is

considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali.

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

Dear Friends

I have one query....

In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhavchalit kundli", but, many a times,

accordingto

my experience, we get correctresults by "Janma Lagna Kundli" only.I

experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of

aperson more

accurately by simple

"Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart.What is your experience?

On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.This

is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?I

seek

your opinion & experiencestoo.

Regards

Abhay

 

[Guest guest]

Abhay,

 

I am just leaving on a few days holiday. Will have a look when I

return.

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 19:32:20 +0530, you wrote:

[Guest guest]

Dear TW & Mr. Anant

Thanks for the clarification on my Queries.

Regards

Abhay

tw853 wrote:

 

Dear Abhay,

 

>>Rahu is located in 12th house only as per Cusp chart. I am sorry

to

>>tell you but, most KP astrologer would have definitely told

>>him "Abroad" trip in this Rahu Antardasha.

1. 12th house may indicate not only foreign, but also hospital,

jail,

etc.

2. It's correct that 9th---long journey-- in KP Reader II, III &

VI

but it is also meant for foreign journey by KP followers, e.g.

a/

long journey- forign travel in Chandra Kant Bhat's Nakshatra

Chintamani, p 13; b/ 9th--- foreign land, N. Pandu "Who will settle

in Foreign/", KP Annual 2002, 39-41; c/ 9th-- long journey, long

distance strangers and foreigners, R. Gopal "Overseas Travel- When?"

KP Annual, 2005, pp 21-22; d/ foreign travel --long journey, T.

Rajendra Kmar, "Enigmatic Horoscopes & Mysterious Keys", KP

Annual

2004, pp 26-28 , and so on.

3. If all 3,9 & 12 are shown at the time of prediction,

astrologer

is lucky,--- only one of them is shown-- a test for proper judgement;

without any sign of 3,9 & 12 some have gone abroad , and

justification is difficult, Dr. Kar's theory "Conjunction/aspect

has

a big role---" may be helpful.

Best regards,

tw

 

 

, Abhay Godse <abhaygodse@e...>

wrote:

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Abhay Godse

 

Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th house He gives

 

the result of the 11th.

 

We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one's wishes. In

 

fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th.

 

Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by western aspect

 

(3rd is important for travelling abroad).

 

Thus saturn has has given the correct results.

 

You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, which are equally

 

effective.

 

I hope this clarifies the issues.

 

good luck

 

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

Dear Mr. Anant

I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. All other members

can also study this horosocpe & let me know.

Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA

Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E

1) I have attahced the word filehaving the " Janma Lagna Kundli " & " Cusp Kundli "

2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha from July 2003 to

July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in Nakshatra of Mercury.

3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house. Still he went

abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra &

mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house as per Janma

Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this?

4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha. Rahu is

related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardasha ends in

July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad twice (because of

relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally, we should

havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu is in

12thhouse only.

What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his going abroad even when

the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12th house.

Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart.

Regards

Abhay

anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse

Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P.

Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord of theHouse is

considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali.

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

Dear Friends

I have one query....

In KP we use " Cusp chart " / " Bhavchalit kundli " , but, many a times, accordingto

my experience, we get correctresults by " Janma Lagna Kundli " only.I

experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of aperson more

accurately by simple

" Janma Lagna Kundli " than Cusp chart.What is your experience?

On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.This

is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?I seek

your opinion & experiencestoo.

Regards

Abhay

 

[Guest guest]

Abhay,

 

I haven't had a lot of time to study this case because I have

just come back from being away, and have a lot to catch up on.

 

My understanding from a house point of view is that the 3rd

relates to short trips, the 9th to long and overseas trips, and

the 12th to long trip with permanent stay ie emigration. There

are of course other considerations.

 

From what I can see the overseas trips took place in Sat Sat.

Sat is in the star of Mercury sub of Jup. Mercury is the joint

lord of the 9th and Jupiter is resident in the 9th so giving long

trip. Jupiter is in the star of Mars Lord of 3rd and sub of Sun

Lord of 12th emphasizing the trips.

Mercury is significator for 1,2,9,10,11. which suggests trip

for business or career advancement.

 

In the last Solar Eclipse (SE) before the first trip, SE Jupiter

came exact conjunction with natal Mercury. Also SE Rahu came

close aspect natal Mercury becoming exact in Jan 04.

 

In the natal chart Sat aspects Rahu. In the last SE before the

2nd trip on 14th Oct 2004 the SE point came close conjunct natal

Rahu. Rahu is in the star of Mars and is thus linked to Jupiter

and Asc who both have Mars as Star Lord. In Jan 2005

transiting Jupiter comes exact conjunction with natal Rahu. At

the same time transit Ketu comes exact conjunction with natal

Jupiter.

 

As we see on both occasions there was a lot of 9th house emphasis

which sent him on a long trip.

 

Hope this helps

 

 

Ron Gaunt

 

 

 

 

 

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:57:02 +0530, you wrote:

Dear Mr. Anant

Thanks for your reply but,

1) Which aspect one should consider? Hindu aspect or western

aspect? This all creates confusion.

 

2) You said about " fulfilment of one's wishes " , but, it was not

his desire to go abroad. One can understand the importance of

11th house in all questions in " Prashna Chart "

 

2) I think, in KP, we consider 3rd house & 9th house is for

national traveling & 12th for traveling abroad. Other Members can

also make this point more clear to all.

 

3) As you have given that 3rd house is considered for traveling

abroad, but, this doesn't sounds correct as i have seen many

horoscopes wherein people travel abroad in case the Antardasha

lord is realted with 12th house or at the most 9th. But,

consideting 3rd house doesn't sounds correct to me. Other Members

can also make this point more clear to all

 

4) Since, Rahu is placed in the 12th house itself in Cusp chart,

i am sure most of the astrologer would have told him that he will

go abroad in " Rahu " Antardasha & it would have gone wrong. Other

Members can throw light on this point also

 

Regards

 

Abhay

 

 

 

 

 

anant raichur wrote:

 

Dear Abhay Godse

Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th

house He gives

 

the result of the 11th.

 

We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one's

wishes. In

 

fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th.

 

Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by

western aspect

 

(3rd is important for travelling abroad).

 

Thus saturn has has given the correct results.

 

You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, which

are equally

 

effective.

 

I hope this clarifies the issues.

 

good luck

 

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

Dear Mr. Anant

I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. All

other members

can also study this horosocpe & let me know.

Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA

Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E

1) I have attahced the word filehaving the " Janma Lagna Kundli " &

" Cusp Kundli "

2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha from

July 2003 to

July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in

Nakshatra of Mercury.

3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house.

Still he went

abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's

Nakshatra &

mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house as

per Janma

Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about

this?

4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter

Mahadasha. Rahu is

related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu

Antardasha ends in

July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad

twice (because of

relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005.

Normally, we should

havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu

is in

12thhouse only.

What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his going

abroad even when

the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12th

house.

Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart.

Regards

Abhay

anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse

Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P.

Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord of

theHouse is

considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali.

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

Dear Friends

I have one query....

In KP we use " Cusp chart " / " Bhavchalit kundli " , but, many a times,

accordingto

my experience, we get correctresults by " Janma Lagna Kundli "

only.I

experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of

aperson more

accurately by simple

" Janma Lagna Kundli " than Cusp chart.What is your experience?

On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct

situation.This

is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct

results?I seek

your opinion & experiencestoo.

Regards

Abhay

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.Abhay Godse

 

K.P is the most refined,scientific method of astrology.Many experts have contributed by real research and tests.

 

It is useful now for many in day-to-day life in a very wonderful way.Many cases we have discussed and still we are seeing and hope it will be seen.

 

K.P is good and astrologers or the people involved is not clear and good to handle it.Ofcourse,they may be correct in future.

 

In your chart as per the given time,it is showing crystal clear the event of going abroad.Just cast the chart using K.P ayanamsa(Pls use Mr.Raichurji's software,if possible) and follow the principles as given in K.P reader III.

 

Dont divert or get confused,if many events are not tallying then chart should be rectified not the great system or people around it.

 

You got it.Wishing u all the best.Sat conj with sun lord of 12 and in 11 in the star of mercury which is in 12 also lord of 1 and 10..Thats all also mars lord of 3 is there linkled to sub of sat. and mars in 9...WHAT ELSE IS NEEDED?.

 

All the best.

 

Bye

Balaji GopalakrishnanAbhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

Dear Mr. Anant I am using KP only. Pls. check out the following horoscope. All other members can also study this horosocpe & let me know. Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule, Maharashtra, INDIA Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E 1) I have attahced the word file having the "Janma Lagna Kundli" & "Cusp Kundli" 2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha from July 2003 to July 2006. He went abroad during this period. Saturn is in Nakshatra of Mercury. 3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn is in no way related to 12th house. Still he went abroad. but, as per Janma Lagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra & mercury is in 12th house,so, saturn is related with 12th house as per Janma Lagna Kundli but, not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this? 4) Of course, Earlier there was Rahu Antardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha. Rahu is related with 12th house as per both the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardasha ends in July 2003 & he went abroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad twice (because of relation with Mercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally, we should have told me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu is in 12th house only. What you think about all this? What is the reason for his going abroad even when the Mahadasha & Antardasha lord is in no way related with 12th house. Such examples make me confused about using Cusp Chart. Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote: Dear Abhay Godse Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P. Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lord of the House is considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali. --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhavchalit kundli", but, many a times, according to my experience, we get correctresults by "Janma Lagna Kundli" only. I experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of a person more accurately by simple "Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart.What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation. This is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results? I seek your opinion & experiencestoo. Regards Abhay

[Guest guest]

Dear Ghodseji

 

Let me clarify you one point that.......everything has been already tested and applied by numerous K.P students and what is now we have should be understood clearly and just analyse...Result will be known.

 

3rd bhava is very important as Raichurji has said because it denotes going away from residence or place of residing.

 

9th denotes Long journey and it might be within or away as denoted by the planets involved and its significance to the respective bhavas.

 

12th denotes going to a new environment might be local or international.

All the three bhavas should be interconnected and if sat becomes 12th CSL it denotes going abroad----long way(Example:USA ).

 

Just Understand,Analyse and Apply the theories.

I am sorry.Dont take it as advice but a kind suggestion from a friend.

 

Reference:K.P & Astrology Year 2002 Page 39 and 194.

 

Bye

Balaji Gopalakrishnan

Dear Mr. Anant Thanks for your reply but, 1) Which aspect one should consider? Hindu aspect or western aspect? This all creates confusion. 2) You said about "fulfilment of one's wishes", but, it was not his desire to go abroad. One can understand the importance of 11th house in all questions in "Prashna Chart" 2) I think, in KP, we consider 3rd house & 9th house is for national traveling & 12th for traveling abroad. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all. 3) As you have given that 3rd house is considered for traveling abroad, but, this doesn't sounds correct as i have seen many horoscopes wherein people travel abroad in case the Antardasha lord is realted with 12th house or at the most 9th. But, consideting 3rd house doesn't sounds correct to me. Other Members can also make this point more clear to all 4) Since, Rahu is placed in the 12th house itself in Cusp chart, i am sure most of the astrologer would have told him that he will go abroad in "Rahu" Antardasha & it would have gone wrong. Other Members can throw light on this point also Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote: Dear Abhay Godse Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th house He gives the result of the 11th. We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one's wishes. In fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th. Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by western aspect (3rd is important for travelling abroad). Thus saturn has has given the correct results. You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, which are equally effective. I hope this clarifies the issues. good luck --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Mr. Anant I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. All other members can also study this horosocpe & let me know. Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E 1) I have attahced the word filehaving the "Janma Lagna Kundli" & "Cusp Kundli" 2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardasha from July 2003 to July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in Nakshatra of Mercury. 3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house. Still he went abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra & mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house as per Janma Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What

you think about this? 4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha. Rahu is related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardasha ends in July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroad twice (because of relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally, we should havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahu is in 12thhouse only. What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his going abroad even when the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12th house. Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart. Regards Abhay anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P. Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and

Lord of theHouse is considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali. --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote: Dear Friends I have one query.... In KP we use "Cusp chart"/"Bhavchalit kundli", but, many a times, accordingto my experience, we get correctresults by "Janma Lagna Kundli" only.I experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details of aperson more accurately by simple "Janma Lagna Kundli" than Cusp chart.What is your experience? On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.This is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?I seek your opinion & experiencestoo. Regards Abhay

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Godse

 

If you find Lagna Rasi Charts give you better results than the Cuspal charts,

 

you are free to follow that method, in addition to KP

 

I know a friend who has written an article, where in he has shown that the

 

the Normal Chart for the time he is looking at a question, gives the same

 

result as the Eegular Horary with the No gien by the client

 

 

good Luck

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

 

 

Dear Balaji

Why Not the abroad trip happenedin the Rahu Antardasha (which was before the

sat. Mahadasha)?? Rahu islocated in 12th house only as per Cusp chart. I am

sorry to tell you but,most KP astrologer would have definitely told him

" Abroad " trip in thisRahu Antardasha.

I am not at all doing any criticismon KP as such, i am a professional KP

astrologer myself, I just can't criticizeKP, Pls. do not misunderstand me, but,

i had some doubts about the Cuspchart since long time. Many times, i found the

answers correct by usingnormal " Lagna chart " then " Cusp chart " , i don't know

why & i am askingthe same thing through theses examples., that's it, nothing

else.

Regards

Abhay

 

" Balaji G.krishnan " wrote: Dear Ghodseji Let me clarify you one

pointthat.......everything has been already tested and applied by numerous

K.Pstudents and what is now we have should be understood clearly and

justanalyse...Result will be known. 3rd bhava is very important as Raichurjihas

said because it denotes going away from residence or place of residing.9th

denotes Long journey and it might be within or away as denoted by theplanets

involved and its significance to the respective bhavas. 12th denotesgoing to a

new environment might be local or international.All the threebhavas should be

interconnected and if sat becomes 12th CSL it denotesgoing abroad----long

way(Example:USA ). Just Understand,Analyse and Applythe theories.I am

sorry.Dont take it as advice but a kind suggestion froma friend. Reference:K.P

& Astrology Year2002 Page 39 and 194. ByeBalaji Gopalakrishnan

DearMr. Anant

Thanks for your reply but,

1) Which aspect one should consider?Hindu aspect or western aspect? This all

creates confusion.

2) You said about " fulfilment ofone's wishes " , but, it was not his desire to go

abroad. One can understandthe importance of 11th house in all questions in

" Prashna Chart "

2) I think, in KP, we consider3rd house & 9th house is for national traveling

& 12th for travelingabroad. Other Members can also make this point more clear

to all.

3) As you have given that 3rd houseis considered for traveling abroad, but,

this doesn't sounds correct asi have seen many horoscopes wherein people travel

abroad in case the Antardashalord is realted with 12th house or at the most

9th. But, consideting 3rdhouse doesn't sounds correct to me. Other Members can

also make thispoint more clear to all

4) Since, Rahu is placed in the 12thhouse itself in Cusp chart, i am sure most

of the astrologer would havetold him that he will go abroad in " Rahu "

Antardasha & it would havegone wrong. Other Members can throw light on this

point also

Regards

Abhay

 

 

 

 

anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse

Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th houseHe gives

the result of the 11th.

We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one'swishes. In

fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th.

Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by westernaspect

(3rd is important for travelling abroad).

Thus saturn has has given the correct results.

You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, whichare equally

effective.

I hope this clarifies the issues.

good luck

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

Dear Mr. Anant

I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. Allother members

can also study this horosocpe & let me know.

Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA

Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E

1) I have attahced the word filehaving the " Janma Lagna Kundli " & " Cusp Kundli "

2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardashafrom July 2003 to

July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in Nakshatraof Mercury.

3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house.Still he went

abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra &

mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house asper Janma

Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this?

4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha.Rahu is

related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardashaends in

July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroadtwice (because of

relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally,we should

havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahuis in

12thhouse only.

What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his goingabroad even when

the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12thhouse.

Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart.

Regards

Abhay

anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse

Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P.

Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lordof theHouse is

considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali.

--- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

 

Dear Friends

I have one query....

In KP we use " Cusp chart " / " Bhavchalit kundli " , but, many a times,accordingto

my experience, we get correctresults by " Janma Lagna Kundli " only.I

experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details ofaperson more

accurately by simple

" Janma Lagna Kundli " than Cusp chart.What is your experience?

On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.This

is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?Iseek

your opinion & experiencestoo.

Regards

Abhay

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Abhay,

 

 

>>Rahu is located in 12th house only as per Cusp chart. I am sorry to

>>tell you but, most KP astrologer would have definitely told

>>him " Abroad " trip in this Rahu Antardasha.

 

1. 12th house may indicate not only foreign, but also hospital, jail,

etc.

 

2. It's correct that 9th---long journey-- in KP Reader II, III & VI

but it is also meant for foreign journey by KP followers, e.g. a/

long journey- forign travel in Chandra Kant Bhat's Nakshatra

Chintamani, p 13; b/ 9th--- foreign land, N. Pandu " Who will settle

in Foreign/ " , KP Annual 2002, 39-41; c/ 9th-- long journey, long

distance strangers and foreigners, R. Gopal " Overseas Travel- When? "

KP Annual, 2005, pp 21-22; d/ foreign travel --long journey, T.

Rajendra Kmar, " Enigmatic Horoscopes & Mysterious Keys " , KP Annual

2004, pp 26-28 , and so on.

 

3. If all 3,9 & 12 are shown at the time of prediction, astrologer

is lucky,--- only one of them is shown-- a test for proper judgement;

without any sign of 3,9 & 12 some have gone abroad , and

justification is difficult, Dr. Kar's theory " Conjunction/aspect has

a big role--- " may be helpful.

 

Best regards,

 

tw

 

 

 

, Abhay Godse <abhaygodse@e...>

wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Godse ji,

 

Just to add to the Raichur ji's point, I have seen most of the vedic

astrology systems (especially Tajik Varshaphal, KP, Lal Kitab, and

Classical Astrology) give the same results. I normally find it useful

to verify the results of one system using other system. Even Sri KSK

were of the same opinion and sometimes he even recommended progression

for timing events with Vimsottari Dasa system.

 

Thanks & Regards,

 

Punit Pandey

 

 

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 04:49:20 -0800 (PST), anant raichur

<anant_1608 wrote:

> Dear Mr Godse

>

> If you find Lagna Rasi Charts give you better results than the Cuspal

> charts,

>

> you are free to follow that method, in addition to KP

>

> I know a friend who has written an article, where in he has shown that the

>

> the Normal Chart for the time he is looking at a question, gives the same

>

> result as the Eegular Horary with the No gien by the client

>

>

> good Luck

> --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Balaji

> Why Not the abroad trip happenedin the Rahu Antardasha (which was before the

> sat. Mahadasha)?? Rahu islocated in 12th house only as per Cusp chart. I am

> sorry to tell you but,most KP astrologer would have definitely told him

> " Abroad " trip in thisRahu Antardasha.

> I am not at all doing any criticismon KP as such, i am a professional KP

> astrologer myself, I just can't criticizeKP, Pls. do not misunderstand me,

> but,

> i had some doubts about the Cuspchart since long time. Many times, i found

> the

> answers correct by usingnormal " Lagna chart " then " Cusp chart " , i don't know

> why & i am askingthe same thing through theses examples., that's it, nothing

> else.

> Regards

> Abhay

>

> " Balaji G.krishnan " wrote: Dear Ghodseji Let me clarify you one

> pointthat.......everything has been already tested and applied by numerous

> K.Pstudents and what is now we have should be understood clearly and

> justanalyse...Result will be known. 3rd bhava is very important as

> Raichurjihas

> said because it denotes going away from residence or place of residing.9th

> denotes Long journey and it might be within or away as denoted by theplanets

> involved and its significance to the respective bhavas. 12th denotesgoing to

> a

> new environment might be local or international.All the threebhavas should

> be

> interconnected and if sat becomes 12th CSL it denotesgoing abroad----long

> way(Example:USA ). Just Understand,Analyse and Applythe theories.I am

> sorry.Dont take it as advice but a kind suggestion froma friend.

> Reference:K.P

> & Astrology Year2002 Page 39 and 194. ByeBalaji Gopalakrishnan

> DearMr. Anant

> Thanks for your reply but,

> 1) Which aspect one should consider?Hindu aspect or western aspect? This all

> creates confusion.

> 2) You said about " fulfilment ofone's wishes " , but, it was not his desire to

> go

> abroad. One can understandthe importance of 11th house in all questions in

> " Prashna Chart "

> 2) I think, in KP, we consider3rd house & 9th house is for national

> traveling

> & 12th for travelingabroad. Other Members can also make this point more

> clear

> to all.

> 3) As you have given that 3rd houseis considered for traveling abroad, but,

> this doesn't sounds correct asi have seen many horoscopes wherein people

> travel

> abroad in case the Antardashalord is realted with 12th house or at the most

> 9th. But, consideting 3rdhouse doesn't sounds correct to me. Other Members

> can

> also make thispoint more clear to all

> 4) Since, Rahu is placed in the 12thhouse itself in Cusp chart, i am sure

> most

> of the astrologer would havetold him that he will go abroad in " Rahu "

> Antardasha & it would havegone wrong. Other Members can throw light on this

> point also

> Regards

> Abhay

>

>

>

>

> anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse

> Sat is very near the 11th cusp . So although he is in the 10th houseHe gives

> the result of the 11th.

> We have to consider the 11th house, as it is fulfilment of one'swishes. In

> fact for any question in KP we have to include the 11th.

> Sat is aspecting Rahu (hindu aspect), also Aspecting 3rd by westernaspect

> (3rd is important for travelling abroad).

> Thus saturn has has given the correct results.

> You do need the Janma Lagna Chart, for the Hindoo aspects, whichare equally

> effective.

> I hope this clarifies the issues.

> good luck

> --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Anant

> I am using KP only. Pls. check outthe following horoscope. Allother members

> can also study this horosocpe & let me know.

> Boy, 11/08/1977, 10:45 AM, Dhule,Maharashtra, INDIA

> Dhule, 20 54 N, 74 47 E

> 1) I have attahced the word filehaving the " Janma Lagna Kundli " & " Cusp

> Kundli "

> 2) This horosocope has Saturn Mahadasha & Saturn Antardashafrom July 2003 to

> July 2006. He went abroad duringthis period. Saturn is in Nakshatraof

> Mercury.

> 3) As per Cusp Kundli, Saturn isin no way related to 12th house.Still he

> went

> abroad. but, as per JanmaLagna Kundli, Saturn is in Mercury's Nakshatra &

> mercury is in 12thhouse,so, saturn is related with 12th house asper Janma

> Lagna Kundli but,not as per Cusp Kundli. What you think about this?

> 4) Of course, Earlier there was RahuAntardasha in Jupiter Mahadasha.Rahu is

> related with 12th house as perboth the horoscopes, but, Rahu Antardashaends

> in

> July 2003 & he wentabroad in Saturn Mahadasha. He went abroadtwice (because

> of

> relation withMercury) in Jan. 2004 & again in Jan. 2005. Normally,we should

> havetold me him that he will go abroad in Rahu Antardasha as Rahuis in

> 12thhouse only.

> What you think about all this? Whatis the reason for his goingabroad even

> when

> the Mahadasha & Antardashalord is in no way related with 12thhouse.

> Such examples make me confused aboutusing Cusp Chart.

> Regards

> Abhay

> anant raichur wrote:Dear Abhay Godse

> Always use the Cusp Chart if you are following principles of K.P.

> Even in this , if the aspects are taken as per Signs, and Lordof theHouse is

> considered, you will be using the Janma Lagna Kundali.

> --- Abhay Godse <abhaygodse wrote:

>

> Dear Friends

> I have one query....

> In KP we use " Cusp chart " / " Bhavchalit kundli " , but, many a times,accordingto

> my experience, we get correctresults by " Janma Lagna Kundli " only.I

> experienced that we can predictthe nature & other details ofaperson more

>

> accurately by simple

> " Janma Lagna Kundli " than Cusp chart.What is your experience?

> On the other hand, in some cases,cusp chart indicates correct situation.This

> is totally confusing, Whichchart one should use for correct results?Iseek

> your opinion & experiencestoo.

> Regards

> Abhay

>