Transit influences in 2010.

November 3, 2009

Hello dear list members,

The slow moving transit influences of Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Saturn in USA

SAMVA chart indicate that the economic and general conditions find persistent

more challenges in 2010. I know this is not a good news but planetary

indications are such. This will impact other countries of the world, as well.

Health, financial instability and professional instability will be the main

concerns. Aggressive, hasty actions and persisting obstructions will add salt

to the injury.

www.YourNetAstrologer.com

A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).

Mobile phone: 91 9811016333

November 3, 2009

Pranam,

Thanks Guruji for early warning signals. it help all of us for future planning.

Regards

RP

________________________________

<vkchoudhry

Newsys <systemsApproachToVedic Astrology >

Mon, November 2, 2009 8:55:50 PM

[systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences in

2010.

Hello dear list members,

The slow moving transit influences of Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Saturn in USA

SAMVA chart indicate that the economic and general conditions find persistent

more challenges in 2010. I know this is not a good news but planetary

indications are such. This will impact other countries of the world, as well.

Health, financial instability and professional instability will be the main

concerns. Aggressive, hasty actions and persisting obstructions will add salt

to the injury.

www.YourNetAstrolog er.com

A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).

Mobile phone: 91 9811016333

November 3, 2009

My Dear Prof Choudhry,

Namasthe.Thanks again for this predidction, which always benefits us directly,

or sometimes even indirectly-when we pass on your prediction to others, who need

this caution and fore-knowledge, because of the nature of their work.

Warm Regards

Sankara

-

Newsys

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:25 AM

[systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences in

2010.

Hello dear list members,

The slow moving transit influences of Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Saturn in USA

SAMVA chart indicate that the economic and general conditions find persistent

more challenges in 2010. I know this is not a good news but planetary

indications are such. This will impact other countries of the world, as well.

Health, financial instability and professional instability will be the main

concerns. Aggressive, hasty actions and persisting obstructions will add salt to

the injury.

www.YourNetAstrologer.com

A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).

Mobile phone: 91 9811016333

November 3, 2009

Hello my dear Sankara,

Wish you best of luck.

-

SANKARA BHAGAVADPADA

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:44 AM

Re: [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences

in 2010.

My Dear Prof Choudhry,

Namasthe.Thanks again for this predidction, which always benefits us directly,

or sometimes even indirectly-when we pass on your prediction to others, who need

this caution and fore-knowledge, because of the nature of their work.

Warm Regards

Sankara

-

Newsys

Tuesday, November 03, 2009 8:25 AM

[systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences in

2010.

Hello dear list members,

The slow moving transit influences of Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Saturn in USA

SAMVA chart indicate that the economic and general conditions find persistent

more challenges in 2010. I know this is not a good news but planetary

indications are such. This will impact other countries of the world, as well.

Health, financial instability and professional instability will be the main

concerns. Aggressive, hasty actions and persisting obstructions will add salt to

the injury.

www.YourNetAstrologer.com

A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).

Mobile phone: 91 9811016333

November 3, 2009

Dear ,

I recently changed my email and ID, but I've been on this and Thor's list

for quite a while, although silent.

Thank you for your prediction and good work in helping humanity.

I would like to ask some pointed questions, and I mean no disrespect in the

least. I ask your forgiveness in advance if it comes across that way.

1. You have previously predicted that the USA economy will improve, but

sluggishly in the Saturn subperiod that began early this year. By the real

numbers released by the government here, there has been no improvement despite

desperate media hype at times. In fact, there has been slight worsening.

However, the fall hasn't continued as drastically. Do you still believe that

things will improve into the end of the Saturn subperiod (March 2012) or have

you changed your view through deeper analysis?

2. You gave a prediction that in the month of October, financial markets will

have a setback. By my careful comparison and measure of global indices from the

start to the end of October, there was no serious setback. For the most part: a)

everything was within the range on the monthly charts, b) there were new highs

in the October on many indices, c) most markets closed the month higher than the

month's open value. There was nothing out of the ordinary for most of the month

and the very last week saw the pullback. I have seen on Thor's list some members

giving praise to this prediction, but it's not reflected in the numbers in the

financial markets, for which the prediction was meant. I would like your input

here - what metric are you using to measure financial markets? In my humble

view, it's not just enough to give a prediction, but a metric must be used to

compare the results before and after.

3. The tone of this most recent prediction below appears to be bleak. To

clarify, are you saying that the US economy is due to face further setbacks and

not improve? Or should we read that the Saturn subperiod brings sluggish

improvement, but expect further setbacks as well? If that's what you are saying,

then it's somewhat contrary - " It will improve, and there will be setbacks. "

Perhaps you can clarify the outlook?

Thank you sincerely Professor. I am one of your biggest fans and a student of

SA. And again, I apologize if this email doesn't go over well. I am simply

looking for clarification.

Jason Smith

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology , " "

<vkchoudhry wrote:

>

> Hello dear list members,

>

> The slow moving transit influences of Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Saturn in USA

SAMVA chart indicate that the economic and general conditions find persistent

more challenges in 2010. I know this is not a good news but planetary

indications are such. This will impact other countries of the world, as well.

Health, financial instability and professional instability will be the main

concerns. Aggressive, hasty actions and persisting obstructions will add salt

to the injury.

>

> www.YourNetAstrologer.com

> A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).

> Mobile phone: 91 9811016333

>

November 4, 2009

Dear :

Thank you for letting us know.

I hope the planetary astral remedies will help the SA astrologers and their

clients.

Best wishes,

David Hawthorne

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology

[systemsApproachToVedic Astrology ] On Behalf Of V K

Choudhry

Monday, November 02, 2009 8:56 PM

Newsys

[systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences in

2010.

Hello dear list members,

The slow moving transit influences of Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Saturn in USA

SAMVA chart indicate that the economic and general conditions find

persistent more challenges in 2010. I know this is not a good news but

planetary indications are such. This will impact other countries of the

world, as well. Health, financial instability and professional instability

will be the main concerns. Aggressive, hasty actions and persisting

obstructions will add salt to the injury.

www.YourNetAstrologer.com

A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).

Mobile phone: 91 9811016333

November 4, 2009

Hello Jason,

I add my replies to your Qs in your appended msg.

-

jasonsmith108

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:36 AM

[systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences in

2010.

Dear ,

I recently changed my email and ID, but I've been on this and Thor's

list for quite a while, although silent.

OK.

Thank you for your prediction and good work in helping humanity.

WELCOME.

I would like to ask some pointed questions, and I mean no disrespect in the

least. I ask your forgiveness in advance if it comes across that way.

WELCOME.

1. You have previously predicted that the USA economy will improve, but

sluggishly in the Saturn subperiod that began early this year. By the real

numbers released by the government here, there has been no improvement despite

desperate media hype at times.

DOW JONES INDEX SHOWS THINGS MOVING. IN MID MARCH INDEX WAS ABOUT 7880 AND NOW

IT IS 9772.

In fact, there has been slight worsening. However, the fall hasn't continued

as drastically.

VOLATILITY IS THERE BY IT IS NOT DOWNWARD.

Do you still believe that things will improve into the end of the Saturn

subperiod (March 2012) or have you changed your view through deeper analysis?

YES AND I HAVE NOT CHANGED MY VIEWS.

2. You gave a prediction that in the month of October, financial markets will

have a setback.

I GAVE THIS PREDICTION ON 11TH OCTOBER, 2009.

By my careful comparison and measure of global indices from the start to the

end of October, there was no serious setback.

OK. WE CAN SAY SO. BUT FROM 11TH OCT TO END OF OCT THERE HAS BEEN THERE HAS

BEEN STRONG DOWNWARD MOVEMENT OF DJ INDEX ON 21ST, 23RD, 26TH, 28TH AND 30

OCTOBER. THE PLANETARY INFLUENCES RESULTED IN WILDER VOLATILITY TO IMPACT THE

SENTIMENT.

For the most part: a) everything was within the range on the monthly charts,

b) there were new highs in the October on many indices, c) most markets closed

the month higher than the month's open value. There was nothing out of the

ordinary for most of the month and the very last week saw the pullback. I have

seen on Thor's list some members giving praise to this prediction, but it's not

reflected in the numbers in the financial markets, for which the prediction was

meant.

THE PRAISING MEMBERS MAY BE REFERRING TO INDIAN MARKETS WHERE THE SETBACK WAS

QUITE HARSH.

I would like your input here - what metric are you using to measure financial

markets? In my humble view, it's not just enough to give a prediction, but a

metric must be used to compare the results before and after.

I ONLY USE DJ INDEX AND SENSEX (INDIAN INDEX) TO MEASURE THE RESULTS WITH

REFERENCE TO THE PREDICTION.

3. The tone of this most recent prediction below appears to be bleak. To

clarify, are you saying that the US economy is due to face further setbacks and

not improve? Or should we read that the Saturn subperiod brings sluggish

improvement, but expect further setbacks as well? If that's what you are saying,

then it's somewhat contrary - " It will improve, and there will be setbacks. "

Perhaps you can clarify the outlook?

SLUGGISH IMPROVEMENT IS SEEN BUT THERE ARE OBSTRUCTIONS AND VOLATILITY.

Thank you sincerely Professor. I am one of your biggest fans and a student of

SA. And again, I apologize if this email doesn't go over well. I am simply

looking for clarification.

WE SHOULD EXAMINE THINGS CRITICALLY. THERE IS NO PROBLEM. YOU ARE WELCOME.

Jason Smith

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology , " "

<vkchoudhry wrote:

>

> Hello dear list members,

>

> The slow moving transit influences of Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Saturn in USA

SAMVA chart indicate that the economic and general conditions find persistent

more challenges in 2010. I know this is not a good news but planetary

indications are such. This will impact other countries of the world, as well.

Health, financial instability and professional instability will be the main

concerns. Aggressive, hasty actions and persisting obstructions will add salt to

the injury.

>

> www.YourNetAstrologer.com

> A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).

> Mobile phone: 91 9811016333

>

November 4, 2009

Hi Professor C,

Thank you for understanding stance and replying to my questions.

Jason Smith

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:45 PM, <vkchoudhry wrote:

>

> Hello Jason,

>

> I add my replies to your Qs in your appended msg.

>

> -

> jasonsmith108

> To:

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%\

40>

> Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:36 AM

> [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences

> in 2010.

>

> Dear ,

>

> I recently changed my email and ID, but I've been on this and Thor's

> list for quite a while, although silent.

> OK.

> Thank you for your prediction and good work in helping humanity.

> WELCOME.

>

> I would like to ask some pointed questions, and I mean no disrespect in the

> least. I ask your forgiveness in advance if it comes across that way.

> WELCOME.

>

> 1. You have previously predicted that the USA economy will improve, but

> sluggishly in the Saturn subperiod that began early this year. By the real

> numbers released by the government here, there has been no improvement

> despite desperate media hype at times.

>

> DOW JONES INDEX SHOWS THINGS MOVING. IN MID MARCH INDEX WAS ABOUT 7880 AND

> NOW IT IS 9772.

>

> In fact, there has been slight worsening. However, the fall hasn't

> continued as drastically.

>

> VOLATILITY IS THERE BY IT IS NOT DOWNWARD.

>

> Do you still believe that things will improve into the end of the Saturn

> subperiod (March 2012) or have you changed your view through deeper

> analysis?

> YES AND I HAVE NOT CHANGED MY VIEWS.

>

> 2. You gave a prediction that in the month of October, financial markets

> will have a setback.

>

> I GAVE THIS PREDICTION ON 11TH OCTOBER, 2009.

>

> By my careful comparison and measure of global indices from the start to

> the end of October, there was no serious setback.

>

> OK. WE CAN SAY SO. BUT FROM 11TH OCT TO END OF OCT THERE HAS BEEN THERE HAS

> BEEN STRONG DOWNWARD MOVEMENT OF DJ INDEX ON 21ST, 23RD, 26TH, 28TH AND 30

> OCTOBER. THE PLANETARY INFLUENCES RESULTED IN WILDER VOLATILITY TO IMPACT

> THE SENTIMENT.

>

> For the most part: a) everything was within the range on the monthly

> charts, b) there were new highs in the October on many indices, c) most

> markets closed the month higher than the month's open value. There was

> nothing out of the ordinary for most of the month and the very last week saw

> the pullback. I have seen on Thor's list some members giving praise to this

> prediction, but it's not reflected in the numbers in the financial markets,

> for which the prediction was meant.

>

> THE PRAISING MEMBERS MAY BE REFERRING TO INDIAN MARKETS WHERE THE SETBACK

> WAS QUITE HARSH.

>

> I would like your input here - what metric are you using to measure

> financial markets? In my humble view, it's not just enough to give a

> prediction, but a metric must be used to compare the results before and

> after.

> I ONLY USE DJ INDEX AND SENSEX (INDIAN INDEX) TO MEASURE THE RESULTS WITH

> REFERENCE TO THE PREDICTION.

>

> 3. The tone of this most recent prediction below appears to be bleak. To

> clarify, are you saying that the US economy is due to face further setbacks

> and not improve? Or should we read that the Saturn subperiod brings sluggish

> improvement, but expect further setbacks as well? If that's what you are

> saying, then it's somewhat contrary - " It will improve, and there will be

> setbacks. " Perhaps you can clarify the outlook?

> SLUGGISH IMPROVEMENT IS SEEN BUT THERE ARE OBSTRUCTIONS AND VOLATILITY.

>

> Thank you sincerely Professor. I am one of your biggest fans and a student

> of SA. And again, I apologize if this email doesn't go over well. I am

> simply looking for clarification.

> WE SHOULD EXAMINE THINGS CRITICALLY. THERE IS NO PROBLEM. YOU ARE WELCOME.

>

> Jason Smith

>

> --- In

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%\

40>,

> " " <vkchoudhry wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear list members,

> >

> > The slow moving transit influences of Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Saturn in

> USA SAMVA chart indicate that the economic and general conditions find

> persistent more challenges in 2010. I know this is not a good news but

> planetary indications are such. This will impact other countries of the

> world, as well. Health, financial instability and professional instability

> will be the main concerns. Aggressive, hasty actions and persisting

> obstructions will add salt to the injury.

> >

> > www.YourNetAstrologer.com

> > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).

> > Mobile phone: 91 9811016333

> >

November 4, 2009

Hello dear Mr. Jason,

Just now a TV reporter on IBN.CNN India was saying that in the last seven to ten

days indian stock market corrected by over 12% and some of the sectors lost more

than 30%.

www.YourNetAstrologer.com

A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).

Mobile phone: 91 9811016333

-

jason smith

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:16 AM

Re: [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences

in 2010.

Hi Professor C,

Thank you for understanding stance and replying to my questions.

Jason Smith

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:45 PM, <vkchoudhry wrote:

>

> Hello Jason,

>

> I add my replies to your Qs in your appended msg.

>

> -

> jasonsmith108

> To:

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%\

40>

> Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:36 AM

> [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences

> in 2010.

>

> Dear ,

>

> I recently changed my email and ID, but I've been on this and Thor's

> list for quite a while, although silent.

> OK.

> Thank you for your prediction and good work in helping humanity.

> WELCOME.

>

> I would like to ask some pointed questions, and I mean no disrespect in the

> least. I ask your forgiveness in advance if it comes across that way.

> WELCOME.

>

> 1. You have previously predicted that the USA economy will improve, but

> sluggishly in the Saturn subperiod that began early this year. By the real

> numbers released by the government here, there has been no improvement

> despite desperate media hype at times.

>

> DOW JONES INDEX SHOWS THINGS MOVING. IN MID MARCH INDEX WAS ABOUT 7880 AND

> NOW IT IS 9772.

>

> In fact, there has been slight worsening. However, the fall hasn't

> continued as drastically.

>

> VOLATILITY IS THERE BY IT IS NOT DOWNWARD.

>

> Do you still believe that things will improve into the end of the Saturn

> subperiod (March 2012) or have you changed your view through deeper

> analysis?

> YES AND I HAVE NOT CHANGED MY VIEWS.

>

> 2. You gave a prediction that in the month of October, financial markets

> will have a setback.

>

> I GAVE THIS PREDICTION ON 11TH OCTOBER, 2009.

>

> By my careful comparison and measure of global indices from the start to

> the end of October, there was no serious setback.

>

> OK. WE CAN SAY SO. BUT FROM 11TH OCT TO END OF OCT THERE HAS BEEN THERE HAS

> BEEN STRONG DOWNWARD MOVEMENT OF DJ INDEX ON 21ST, 23RD, 26TH, 28TH AND 30

> OCTOBER. THE PLANETARY INFLUENCES RESULTED IN WILDER VOLATILITY TO IMPACT

> THE SENTIMENT.

>

> For the most part: a) everything was within the range on the monthly

> charts, b) there were new highs in the October on many indices, c) most

> markets closed the month higher than the month's open value. There was

> nothing out of the ordinary for most of the month and the very last week saw

> the pullback. I have seen on Thor's list some members giving praise to this

> prediction, but it's not reflected in the numbers in the financial markets,

> for which the prediction was meant.

>

> THE PRAISING MEMBERS MAY BE REFERRING TO INDIAN MARKETS WHERE THE SETBACK

> WAS QUITE HARSH.

>

> I would like your input here - what metric are you using to measure

> financial markets? In my humble view, it's not just enough to give a

> prediction, but a metric must be used to compare the results before and

> after.

> I ONLY USE DJ INDEX AND SENSEX (INDIAN INDEX) TO MEASURE THE RESULTS WITH

> REFERENCE TO THE PREDICTION.

>

> 3. The tone of this most recent prediction below appears to be bleak. To

> clarify, are you saying that the US economy is due to face further setbacks

> and not improve? Or should we read that the Saturn subperiod brings sluggish

> improvement, but expect further setbacks as well? If that's what you are

> saying, then it's somewhat contrary - " It will improve, and there will be

> setbacks. " Perhaps you can clarify the outlook?

> SLUGGISH IMPROVEMENT IS SEEN BUT THERE ARE OBSTRUCTIONS AND VOLATILITY.

>

> Thank you sincerely Professor. I am one of your biggest fans and a student

> of SA. And again, I apologize if this email doesn't go over well. I am

> simply looking for clarification.

> WE SHOULD EXAMINE THINGS CRITICALLY. THERE IS NO PROBLEM. YOU ARE WELCOME.

>

> Jason Smith

>

> --- In

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%\

40>,

> " " <vkchoudhry wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear list members,

> >

> > The slow moving transit influences of Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Saturn in

> USA SAMVA chart indicate that the economic and general conditions find

> persistent more challenges in 2010. I know this is not a good news but

> planetary indications are such. This will impact other countries of the

> world, as well. Health, financial instability and professional instability

> will be the main concerns. Aggressive, hasty actions and persisting

> obstructions will add salt to the injury.

> >

> > www.YourNetAstrologer.com

> > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).

> > Mobile phone: 91 9811016333

> >

November 4, 2009

Hello my dear and list members,

We have discussed these issues quite extensively on SAMVA list, but allow me

to mention a few things on this list as the issue has also been raised here.

First, there are two things to keep in mind when evaluating the economy. The

'state of the economy' is different from its prospects, that is, if the

economy is expected to improve or not going forward. In your prediction for the

fall of 2009, you were discussing the latter. Indeed, the outlook for the

US economy improved in the autumn months of 2009 as predicted. There is no doubt

about that. Even then, the state of the economy is still far from good, with

unemployment high and output levels still below those of 2008.

Gross Domestic Output (GDP) is estimated to have stopped declining in the 3rd

quarter of 2009 (July-Sept). Future re-estimates may likely increase the GDP in

that quarter. Further, the estimate for the 4th quarter (Oct-Dec) 2009 is

only expected sometime in early 2010. So, it is too early to pass

final judgement on the outturn for the second half of this year. That said, it

is clear 2009 in total will be a year of recession. The question is only how

much did output contract compared to 2008. Most estimates are now around -2 per

cent. The outlook for the future, at any given time, however, is what the

question concerns. In September, the outlook for the economy seems to have

improved as predicted - even if there is also some hype in the media and the

government statistics is focused on the improvement and not the year-over-year

comparison.

The sharp increase in the stock market (since Spring 2009) is usually taken as a

sign of increased investor optimism for the future of the economy. In this

regard, we can note that the average value of the Dow Jones Industrial Index, a

leading barometer of investor expectations, was 7,446 points on average in

February and March 2009. This is a very low value compared to the highs of 2007,

when the Dow Jones was in the 12,000-14,000 range. In September and October 2009

it averaged 9,749 points, which is a rise of 31%. This is usually considered to

reflect the outlook for corporate earnings and hence the state of the economy. A

rise by one-third within a year is usually considered a major improvement in the

outlook for the economy. There is no doubt about it. Of course, sometimes the

investors misjudge things and events turn out differently, but that is a

different story. We can also add that the level of share prices is still well

below the

2007 highs. Moreover, some of the increase in share prices is linked to the

massive infusion of money into the financial system by the government since

2008. Now there are concerns this impact will not be durable and as a result the

outlook for the economy has been judged to be more uncertain. Even the Secretary

of the Treasury, Timothy Geitner, has recently cautioned that economic growth

will be sluggish going forward. This is consistent with the 'trend' expectation

of sluggish growth during the Saturn period (February 2009-April 2012) based on

the SAMVA USA chart. Of course, transits, when strongly connecting in the chart

will take precedence over the trend influences. In this regard, it has recently

been discussed on SAMVA list that the transit influences in the summer of 2010

will be highly adverse, with implications for the US financial system and

economy - and this usually has implications for the financial systems and

economies of

other countries around the globe.

The number of bank failiures in the USA increased in the months of September

and October 2009. The amounts in the 10 months so far of this year are far

higher than the amounts in the closing months of 2008 even if most of the banks

involved appear to be quite small. More importantly, this is generally seen to

be a residual from last years crisis and the stock market has taken these

developments in stride, even improved. However, the fall of CTI Group at the

very end of October, came as something of a surprise even if it had been in

difficulty for a long time and its failiure had been openly discussed in the

media from July through October of this year. Even then, the magnitude of the

failiure of CTI Group is only a small fraction of the cost of the banking

collapses in September 2008. The cost of Lehman Brothers and Washington Mutual

was easily 15 times greater. If we add to that the outlays involved in

the rescue of other financial

institutions like Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Merril Lynch and AIG in September

2008, it quickly becomes clear that the events of October 2009, even if

adverse, are nowhere near as serious of those over one year earlier. In any

event, the stock market also declined towards the end of October 2009, while it

remained close to the average value citied above.

In short, predictions for 2009 including

- improvement in the financial markets from the commencement of the Saturn

period in February 2009

- for the outlook for the economy to improve from August 2009

have stood up quite well.

The prediction for

- economic growth to be sluggish in the Saturn period

has so far been consistent with the data and statements of many notable

economists.

Thor

________________________________

<vkchoudhry

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology

Wed, November 4, 2009 2:45:27 AM

Re: [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences in

2010.

Hello Jason,

I add my replies to your Qs in your appended msg.

-

jasonsmith108

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:36 AM

[systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences in

2010.

Dear ,

I recently changed my email and ID, but I've been on this and Thor's

list for quite a while, although silent.

OK.

Thank you for your prediction and good work in helping humanity.

WELCOME.

I would like to ask some pointed questions, and I mean no disrespect in the

least. I ask your forgiveness in advance if it comes across that way.

WELCOME.

1. You have previously predicted that the USA economy will improve, but

sluggishly in the Saturn subperiod that began early this year. By the real

numbers released by the government here, there has been no improvement despite

desperate media hype at times.

DOW JONES INDEX SHOWS THINGS MOVING. IN MID MARCH INDEX WAS ABOUT 7880 AND NOW

IT IS 9772.

In fact, there has been slight worsening. However, the fall hasn't continued

as drastically.

VOLATILITY IS THERE BY IT IS NOT DOWNWARD.

Do you still believe that things will improve into the end of the Saturn

subperiod (March 2012) or have you changed your view through deeper analysis?

YES AND I HAVE NOT CHANGED MY VIEWS.

2. You gave a prediction that in the month of October, financial markets will

have a setback.

I GAVE THIS PREDICTION ON 11TH OCTOBER, 2009.

By my careful comparison and measure of global indices from the start to the

end of October, there was no serious setback.

OK. WE CAN SAY SO. BUT FROM 11TH OCT TO END OF OCT THERE HAS BEEN THERE HAS

BEEN STRONG DOWNWARD MOVEMENT OF DJ INDEX ON 21ST, 23RD, 26TH, 28TH AND 30

OCTOBER. THE PLANETARY INFLUENCES RESULTED IN WILDER VOLATILITY TO IMPACT THE

SENTIMENT.

For the most part: a) everything was within the range on the monthly charts,

b) there were new highs in the October on many indices, c) most markets closed

the month higher than the month's open value. There was nothing out of the

ordinary for most of the month and the very last week saw the pullback. I have

seen on Thor's list some members giving praise to this prediction, but it's not

reflected in the numbers in the financial markets, for which the prediction was

meant.

THE PRAISING MEMBERS MAY BE REFERRING TO INDIAN MARKETS WHERE THE SETBACK WAS

QUITE HARSH.

I would like your input here - what metric are you using to measure financial

markets? In my humble view, it's not just enough to give a prediction, but a

metric must be used to compare the results before and after.

I ONLY USE DJ INDEX AND SENSEX (INDIAN INDEX) TO MEASURE THE RESULTS WITH

REFERENCE TO THE PREDICTION.

3. The tone of this most recent prediction below appears to be bleak. To

clarify, are you saying that the US economy is due to face further setbacks and

not improve? Or should we read that the Saturn subperiod brings sluggish

improvement, but expect further setbacks as well? If that's what you are saying,

then it's somewhat contrary - " It will improve, and there will be setbacks. "

Perhaps you can clarify the outlook?

SLUGGISH IMPROVEMENT IS SEEN BUT THERE ARE OBSTRUCTIONS AND VOLATILITY.

Thank you sincerely Professor. I am one of your biggest fans and a student of

SA. And again, I apologize if this email doesn't go over well. I am simply

looking for clarification.

WE SHOULD EXAMINE THINGS CRITICALLY. THERE IS NO PROBLEM. YOU ARE WELCOME.

Jason Smith

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology , " "

<vkchoudhry wrote:

>

> Hello dear list members,

>

> The slow moving transit influences of Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Saturn in USA

SAMVA chart indicate that the economic and general conditions find persistent

more challenges in 2010. I know this is not a good news but planetary

indications are such. This will impact other countries of the world, as well.

Health, financial instability and professional instability will be the main

concerns. Aggressive, hasty actions and persisting obstructions will add salt to

the injury.

>

> www.YourNetAstrologer.com

> A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).

> Mobile phone: 91 9811016333

>

November 4, 2009

In my humble view, real numbers count for more than estimation and

speculative outlooks. Stock indices are usually much more indicative of

greed, fear, and future estimation than the current situation.

One really good point to draw from the essay(!) below, is that there is a

difference between predicting sentiment and outlook for a country vs. solid

fundamentals. Each has very good value.

Jason

On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 4:21 AM, Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote:

>

> Hello my dear and list members,

>

> We have discussed these issues quite extensively on SAMVA list, but allow

> me to mention a few things on this list as the issue has also been raised

> here.

>

> First, there are two things to keep in mind when evaluating the economy.

> The 'state of the economy' is different from its prospects, that is, if the

> economy is expected to improve or not going forward. In your prediction for

> the fall of 2009, you were discussing the latter. Indeed, the outlook for

> the US economy improved in the autumn months of 2009 as predicted. There is

> no doubt about that. Even then, the state of the economy is still far from

> good, with unemployment high and output levels still below those of 2008.

>

> Gross Domestic Output (GDP) is estimated to have stopped declining in the

> 3rd quarter of 2009 (July-Sept). Future re-estimates may likely increase the

> GDP in that quarter. Further, the estimate for the 4th quarter (Oct-Dec)

> 2009 is only expected sometime in early 2010. So, it is too early to pass

> final judgement on the outturn for the second half of this year. That said,

> it is clear 2009 in total will be a year of recession. The question is only

> how much did output contract compared to 2008. Most estimates are now around

> -2 per cent. The outlook for the future, at any given time, however, is what

> the question concerns. In September, the outlook for the economy seems to

> have improved as predicted - even if there is also some hype in the media

> and the government statistics is focused on the improvement and not the

> year-over-year comparison.

>

> The sharp increase in the stock market (since Spring 2009) is usually taken

> as a sign of increased investor optimism for the future of the economy. In

> this regard, we can note that the average value of the Dow Jones Industrial

> Index, a leading barometer of investor expectations, was 7,446 points on

> average in February and March 2009. This is a very low value compared to the

> highs of 2007, when the Dow Jones was in the 12,000-14,000 range. In

> September and October 2009 it averaged 9,749 points, which is a rise

> of 31%. This is usually considered to reflect the outlook for corporate

> earnings and hence the state of the economy. A rise by one-third within a

> year is usually considered a major improvement in the outlook for the

> economy. There is no doubt about it. Of course, sometimes the investors

> misjudge things and events turn out differently, but that is a different

> story. We can also add that the level of share prices is still well below

> the

> 2007 highs. Moreover, some of the increase in share prices is linked to the

> massive infusion of money into the financial system by the government since

> 2008. Now there are concerns this impact will not be durable and as a result

> the outlook for the economy has been judged to be more uncertain. Even the

> Secretary of the Treasury, Timothy Geitner, has recently cautioned

> that economic growth will be sluggish going forward. This is consistent with

> the 'trend' expectation of sluggish growth during the Saturn period

> (February 2009-April 2012) based on the SAMVA USA chart. Of course,

> transits, when strongly connecting in the chart will take precedence over

> the trend influences. In this regard, it has recently been discussed on

> SAMVA list that the transit influences in the summer of 2010 will be highly

> adverse, with implications for the US financial system and economy - and

> this usually has implications for the financial systems and economies of

> other countries around the globe.

>

> The number of bank failiures in the USA increased in the months of

> September and October 2009. The amounts in the 10 months so far of this year

> are far higher than the amounts in the closing months of 2008 even if most

> of the banks involved appear to be quite small. More importantly, this is

> generally seen to be a residual from last years crisis and the stock market

> has taken these developments in stride, even improved. However, the fall of

> CTI Group at the very end of October, came as something of a surprise even

> if it had been in difficulty for a long time and its failiure had

> been openly discussed in the media from July through October of this year.

> Even then, the magnitude of the failiure of CTI Group is only a small

> fraction of the cost of the banking collapses in September 2008. The cost of

> Lehman Brothers and Washington Mutual was easily 15 times greater. If we add

> to that the outlays involved in the rescue of other financial

> institutions like Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Merril Lynch and AIG in

> September 2008, it quickly becomes clear that the events of October 2009,

> even if adverse, are nowhere near as serious of those over one year earlier.

> In any event, the stock market also declined towards the end of October

> 2009, while it remained close to the average value citied above.

>

> In short, predictions for 2009 including

> - improvement in the financial markets from the commencement of the Saturn

> period in February 2009

> - for the outlook for the economy to improve from August 2009

> have stood up quite well.

>

> The prediction for

> - economic growth to be sluggish in the Saturn period

> has so far been consistent with the data and statements of many notable

> economists.

>

> Thor

>

> ________________________________

> <vkchoudhry <vkchoudhry%40gmail.com>>

> To:

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%\

40>

> Wed, November 4, 2009 2:45:27 AM

>

> Re: [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit

> influences in 2010.

>

> Hello Jason,

>

> I add my replies to your Qs in your appended msg.

>

> -

> jasonsmith108

> To:

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%\

40>

> Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:36 AM

> [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences

> in 2010.

>

> Dear ,

>

> I recently changed my email and ID, but I've been on this and

> Thor's list for quite a while, although silent.

> OK.

> Thank you for your prediction and good work in helping humanity.

> WELCOME.

> I would like to ask some pointed questions, and I mean no disrespect in

> the least. I ask your forgiveness in advance if it comes across that way.

> WELCOME.

> 1. You have previously predicted that the USA economy will improve, but

> sluggishly in the Saturn subperiod that began early this year. By the real

> numbers released by the government here, there has been no improvement

> despite desperate media hype at times.

>

> DOW JONES INDEX SHOWS THINGS MOVING. IN MID MARCH INDEX WAS ABOUT 7880

> AND NOW IT IS 9772.

>

> In fact, there has been slight worsening. However, the fall hasn't

> continued as drastically.

>

> VOLATILITY IS THERE BY IT IS NOT DOWNWARD.

>

> Do you still believe that things will improve into the end of the Saturn

> subperiod (March 2012) or have you changed your view through deeper

> analysis?

> YES AND I HAVE NOT CHANGED MY VIEWS.

> 2. You gave a prediction that in the month of October, financial markets

> will have a setback.

>

> I GAVE THIS PREDICTION ON 11TH OCTOBER, 2009.

>

> By my careful comparison and measure of global indices from the start to

> the end of October, there was no serious setback.

>

> OK. WE CAN SAY SO. BUT FROM 11TH OCT TO END OF OCT THERE HAS BEEN THERE

> HAS BEEN STRONG DOWNWARD MOVEMENT OF DJ INDEX ON 21ST, 23RD, 26TH, 28TH AND

> 30 OCTOBER. THE PLANETARY INFLUENCES RESULTED IN WILDER VOLATILITY TO IMPACT

> THE SENTIMENT.

>

> For the most part: a) everything was within the range on the monthly

> charts, b) there were new highs in the October on many indices, c) most

> markets closed the month higher than the month's open value. There was

> nothing out of the ordinary for most of the month and the very last week saw

> the pullback. I have seen on Thor's list some members giving praise to this

> prediction, but it's not reflected in the numbers in the financial markets,

> for which the prediction was meant.

>

> THE PRAISING MEMBERS MAY BE REFERRING TO INDIAN MARKETS WHERE THE SETBACK

> WAS QUITE HARSH.

>

> I would like your input here - what metric are you using to measure

> financial markets? In my humble view, it's not just enough to give a

> prediction, but a metric must be used to compare the results before and

> after.

> I ONLY USE DJ INDEX AND SENSEX (INDIAN INDEX) TO MEASURE THE RESULTS WITH

> REFERENCE TO THE PREDICTION.

> 3. The tone of this most recent prediction below appears to be bleak. To

> clarify, are you saying that the US economy is due to face further setbacks

> and not improve? Or should we read that the Saturn subperiod brings sluggish

> improvement, but expect further setbacks as well? If that's what you are

> saying, then it's somewhat contrary - " It will improve, and there will be

> setbacks. " Perhaps you can clarify the outlook?

> SLUGGISH IMPROVEMENT IS SEEN BUT THERE ARE OBSTRUCTIONS AND VOLATILITY.

> Thank you sincerely Professor. I am one of your biggest fans and a

> student of SA. And again, I apologize if this email doesn't go over well. I

> am simply looking for clarification.

> WE SHOULD EXAMINE THINGS CRITICALLY. THERE IS NO PROBLEM. YOU ARE

> WELCOME.

> Jason Smith

>

> --- In

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%\

40>,

> " " <vkchoudhry wrote:

> >

> > Hello dear list members,

> >

> > The slow moving transit influences of Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Saturn in

> USA SAMVA chart indicate that the economic and general conditions find

> persistent more challenges in 2010. I know this is not a good news but

> planetary indications are such. This will impact other countries of the

> world, as well. Health, financial instability and professional instability

> will be the main concerns. Aggressive, hasty actions and persisting

> obstructions will add salt to the injury.

> >

> > www.YourNetAstrologer.com

> > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).

> > Mobile phone: 91 9811016333

> >

November 4, 2009

Dear Professor C,

Thanks for this update. The Indian financials are very volatile. It looks

like Rahu and Mars in the natal chart give these bigger swings.

Jason

On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:53 PM, <vkchoudhry wrote:

>

> Hello dear Mr. Jason,

>

> Just now a TV reporter on IBN.CNN India was saying that in the last seven

> to ten days indian stock market corrected by over 12% and some of the

> sectors lost more than 30%.

>

> www.YourNetAstrologer.com

> A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).

> Mobile phone: 91 9811016333

> -

> jason smith

> To:

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%\

40>

> Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:16 AM

> Re: [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit

> influences in 2010.

>

> Hi Professor C,

>

> Thank you for understanding stance and replying to my questions.

>

> Jason Smith

>

> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:45 PM,

<vkchoudhry<vkchoudhry%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

>

> >

> > Hello Jason,

> >

> > I add my replies to your Qs in your appended msg.

> >

> > -

> > jasonsmith108

> > To:

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%\

40>

> <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%40>

> > Wednesday, November 04, 2009 1:36 AM

> > [systemsApproachToVedic Astrology] Re: Transit influences

> > in 2010.

> >

> > Dear ,

> >

> > I recently changed my email and ID, but I've been on this and

> Thor's

> > list for quite a while, although silent.

> > OK.

> > Thank you for your prediction and good work in helping humanity.

> > WELCOME.

> >

> > I would like to ask some pointed questions, and I mean no disrespect in

> the

> > least. I ask your forgiveness in advance if it comes across that way.

> > WELCOME.

> >

> > 1. You have previously predicted that the USA economy will improve, but

> > sluggishly in the Saturn subperiod that began early this year. By the

> real

> > numbers released by the government here, there has been no improvement

> > despite desperate media hype at times.

> >

> > DOW JONES INDEX SHOWS THINGS MOVING. IN MID MARCH INDEX WAS ABOUT 7880

> AND

> > NOW IT IS 9772.

> >

> > In fact, there has been slight worsening. However, the fall hasn't

> > continued as drastically.

> >

> > VOLATILITY IS THERE BY IT IS NOT DOWNWARD.

> >

> > Do you still believe that things will improve into the end of the Saturn

> > subperiod (March 2012) or have you changed your view through deeper

> > analysis?

> > YES AND I HAVE NOT CHANGED MY VIEWS.

> >

> > 2. You gave a prediction that in the month of October, financial markets

> > will have a setback.

> >

> > I GAVE THIS PREDICTION ON 11TH OCTOBER, 2009.

> >

> > By my careful comparison and measure of global indices from the start to

> > the end of October, there was no serious setback.

> >

> > OK. WE CAN SAY SO. BUT FROM 11TH OCT TO END OF OCT THERE HAS BEEN THERE

> HAS

> > BEEN STRONG DOWNWARD MOVEMENT OF DJ INDEX ON 21ST, 23RD, 26TH, 28TH AND

> 30

> > OCTOBER. THE PLANETARY INFLUENCES RESULTED IN WILDER VOLATILITY TO IMPACT

> > THE SENTIMENT.

> >

> > For the most part: a) everything was within the range on the monthly

> > charts, b) there were new highs in the October on many indices, c) most

> > markets closed the month higher than the month's open value. There was

> > nothing out of the ordinary for most of the month and the very last week

> saw

> > the pullback. I have seen on Thor's list some members giving praise to

> this

> > prediction, but it's not reflected in the numbers in the financial

> markets,

> > for which the prediction was meant.

> >

> > THE PRAISING MEMBERS MAY BE REFERRING TO INDIAN MARKETS WHERE THE SETBACK

> > WAS QUITE HARSH.

> >

> > I would like your input here - what metric are you using to measure

> > financial markets? In my humble view, it's not just enough to give a

> > prediction, but a metric must be used to compare the results before and

> > after.

> > I ONLY USE DJ INDEX AND SENSEX (INDIAN INDEX) TO MEASURE THE RESULTS WITH

> > REFERENCE TO THE PREDICTION.

> >

> > 3. The tone of this most recent prediction below appears to be bleak. To

> > clarify, are you saying that the US economy is due to face further

> setbacks

> > and not improve? Or should we read that the Saturn subperiod brings

> sluggish

> > improvement, but expect further setbacks as well? If that's what you are

> > saying, then it's somewhat contrary - " It will improve, and there will be

> > setbacks. " Perhaps you can clarify the outlook?

> > SLUGGISH IMPROVEMENT IS SEEN BUT THERE ARE OBSTRUCTIONS AND VOLATILITY.

> >

> > Thank you sincerely Professor. I am one of your biggest fans and a

> student

> > of SA. And again, I apologize if this email doesn't go over well. I am

> > simply looking for clarification.

> > WE SHOULD EXAMINE THINGS CRITICALLY. THERE IS NO PROBLEM. YOU ARE

> WELCOME.

> >

> > Jason Smith

> >

> > --- In

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%\

40>

> <SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology%40>,

>

> > " " <vkchoudhry wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello dear list members,

> > >

> > > The slow moving transit influences of Rahu, Ketu, Jupiter and Saturn in

> > USA SAMVA chart indicate that the economic and general conditions find

> > persistent more challenges in 2010. I know this is not a good news but

> > planetary indications are such. This will impact other countries of the

> > world, as well. Health, financial instability and professional

> instability

> > will be the main concerns. Aggressive, hasty actions and persisting

> > obstructions will add salt to the injury.

> > >

> > > www.YourNetAstrologer.com

> > > A-105, South City II, Gurgaon 122018-01, (India).

> > > Mobile phone: 91 9811016333

> > >

November 4, 2009

Hello Jason,

You are right real economic numbers are best to evaluate the situation. However,

there is not the chasm of difference between the hard numbers and the outlook as

you suggest. Moroever, please note that the GDP numbers for 2009 are limited to

the first three quarters, of the year. Further, the third quarter numbers are

provisional and likely to be revised (either up or down) next year. There are no

GDP numbers yet for the 4th quarter of 2009. As such, the knowledge of the

situation at the present time, to which the prediction applies, is limited and

will only become clear sometime next year. In the meantime we have all kinds of

ad hoc information by which to judge the situation and the outlook at any

time is based on such data. While the prediction applies to the outlook for the

economy at this juncture, with a trend prediction for the Saturn period as a

whole, the prediction for the autumn months can be helpful to those trying

to anticipate how the financial market is likely to be doing at this time, i.e.

far better than in the Spring.

Thor

________________________________

jason smith <jasonsmith108

SystemsApproachToVedic Astrology

Wed, November 4, 2009 1:21:07 PM