Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Hello dear list members, This is in continuation of my earlier message appended below. The professional matters in Mr. Obama's case with the Capricorn ascdt chart are ruled by the planets Venus and Saturn while the Sun is the natural significator. The planets Mercury and Saturn can also act as Sunlike planets in this case. The placement of the second lord in the ascendant bestows good status but when weak does not help in achieving the top position. The tenth lord, Venus, is placed in the sixth house. Such placement involves the person in debates on controvercial issues and many a times they gain good mileage in that. But again this does not help in gaining the top position. The Sun is general significator and rules the house of easy gains and legacies. The Sun is well placed and is not in the effective orb of the most effective point of the house of placement. The dispositor of the Sun, the Moon, is well placed in its sign of exaltation which helps the Sun further. Mercury is weak due to combustion and is under the close affliction of the functional malefic planet Jupiter. Mars is badly placed and in extreme old age. It is the weakness of Saturn, Mars and the close affliction of Mercury besides the coming stationary influences of Rahu and Ketu on his ascending degree which indicate that he may not achieve the top position though the Sun and the Moon are supportive. Best wishes. - Barack Obama Birth Certificate published Dear : You said: Hello my dear Thor, Assuming that this is his chart, I do not find any chance of his winning the election as President of USA. Best wishes. - cosmologer SAMVA Saturday, June 14, 2008 12:11 AM Re: Barack Obama Birth Certificate published My dear , Would you have time to comment on the birth chart for Barack Obama, assuming the correct birth time is close to the 7:24PM stated on the birth certificate, giving around 24° 43' Capricorn rising? Interestingly, the selection of a birth time for him creates a choice with regard to two distinct influences in the chart: a) NEGATIVE INFLUENCE: if the birth time is a couple of minutes earlier than stated in the birth certificate, this gives e.g. 24° 08' Capricorn rising. The MMP SUN at 19° 13' Capricorn will then be just within the 5° orb of the 7th house MEP. This could result in some adverse influences in his life in coming years b) POSITIVE INFLUENCE: if the birth time is as stated in the birth certificate or even slightly later, his 4th lord MARS at 29° 15' is then conjunct his 8th house MEP and aspecting also his 11th house of ideals, plans and wishes, 2nd house of wealth and status, 3rd house of initiative, authorship and voice. A later degree could then explain his increased status, success with books and giving a clear message to the public regarding change, hope, etc. Finally, assuming you find a likely ascendant degree for him in late Capricorn, does that affect your assessment of his chances to be elected President of the USA? Best wishes, Thor Barack Obama Aug 4, 1961 7:24 PM +10:00 HST Honolulu, HI:USA Longitude: 157W52 Latitude: 21N18 Lahiri Ayanamsha: 23:19 Current Period: JU/MO/JU Planet Deg Sign Speed SA Nakshatra Lord ================================================ Asc 24:43 Cap Dhanishtha Ma Sun 19:13 Can +00:57:28 FM Aslesha Me Moon 10:01 Tau +12:41:10 WK Rohini Mo Mars 29:15 Leo +00:37:24 WK U.Phalguni Su Merc 09:00 Can +02:00:15 CM Pushya Sa JuptR 07:32 Cap -00:07:27 FM U.Shadya Su Ven 08:28 Gem +01:08:02 WK Ardra Ra Sat R 02:00 Cap -00:04:07 WK U.Shadya Su Rahu 03:58 Leo -00:01:13 FM Magha Ke Ketu 03:58 Aqu -00:01:13 FM Dhanishtha Ma True Node 365.25 Day Year - Internet Time: 267 beats Day: Friday Sunrise: 6:08 AM Tithi: Krishna Dashami Yoga Pt: 2:34 Sg Yogi:Ke AviYogi:Ra Dup Yogi: Ju Dagha Rashis: Leo Sco Sytems Approach Analysis ======================== Sun Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Moon Good Placement, Moon Not Bright 3%, Mars Bad Placement, In Old Age: 85%, Weak Dispositor, Mercury Good Placement, Combust 28%, Weak Dispositor, Jupiter Good Placement, Debilitated, Venus Bad Placement, Saturn Good Placement, In Infancy: 60%, Rahu Bad Placement, Weak Dispositor, Ketu Good Placement, Weak Dispositor, Rashi Chart ******************************************************* ** 11 * * 9 ** *12* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * KE 03:58* * * * * * * SAR02:00 * * * * * 10 JUR07:32 * 8 * * * * AS 24:43 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *1 * 7 * ** * * ** *2 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ME 09:00 * * * *MO 10:01 * 4 SU 19:13 * 6 * * * * * * * * * * RA 03:58* * * * VE 08:28 * * MA 29:15 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 3 * * 5 ** ******************************************************* Navamsha ******************************************************* ** 6 * * 4 ** *7 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ME * * * * * * * * * * * * 5 AS * 3 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** * * ** *8 KE * 2 RA * ** * * ** *9 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *SU * * * * * *MA * 11 * 1 MO * *VE * * * * * * * * * * * * * SAR * * JUR * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ** 10 * * 12 ** ******************************************************* Vimshottari Dasha/Buktis (Contemporary) ======================================= Mo/Mo 27.7.1961 Mo/Ma 27.5.1962 Mo/Ra 26.12.1962 Mo/Ju 26.6.1964 Mo/Sa 26.10.1965 Mo/Me 28.5.1967 Mo/Ke 26.10.1968 Mo/Ve 27.5.1969 Mo/Su 26.1.1971 Ma/Ma 28.7.1971 Ma/Ra 24.12.1971 Ma/Ju 10.1.1973 Ma/Sa 17.12.1973 Ma/Me 26.1.1975 Ma/Ke 23.1.1976 Ma/Ve 20.6.1976 Ma/Su 20.8.1977 Ma/Mo 26.12.1977 Ra/Ra 27.7.1978 Ra/Ju 8.4.1981 Ra/Sa 2.9.1983 Ra/Me 9.7.1986 Ra/Ke 25.1.1989 Ra/Ve 13.2.1990 Ra/Su 13.2.1993 Ra/Mo 7.1.1994 Ra/Ma 9.7.1995 Ju/Ju 27.7.1996 Ju/Sa 14.9.1998 Ju/Me 27.3.2001 Ju/Ke 3.7.2003 Ju/Ve 8.6.2004 Ju/Su 7.2.2007 Ju/Mo 26.11.2007 Ju/Ma 27.3.2009 Ju/Ra 3.3.2010 Sa/Sa 27.7.2012 Sa/Me 31.7.2015 Sa/Ke 9.4.2018 Sa/Ve 18.5.2019 Sa/Su 18.7.2022 Sa/Mo 30.6.2023 Sa/Ma 28.1.2025 Sa/Ra 9.3.2026 Sa/Ju 13.1.2029 Me/Me 27.7.2031 Me/Ke 23.12.2033 Me/Ve 20.12.2034 Me/Su 20.10.2037 Me/Mo 27.8.2038 Me/Ma 26.1.2040 Me/Ra 22.1.2041 Me/Ju 12.8.2043 Me/Sa 17.11.2045 Ke/Ke 27.7.2048 Ke/Ve 23.12.2048 Ke/Su 22.2.2050 Ke/Mo 30.6.2050 Ke/Ma 29.1.2051 Ke/Ra 27.6.2051 Ke/Ju 15.7.2052 Ke/Sa 20.6.2053 Ke/Me 30.7.2054 Ve/Ve 28.7.2055 Ve/Su 26.11.2058 Ve/Mo 26.11.2059 Ve/Ma 27.7.2061 Ve/Ra 26.9.2062 Ve/Ju 26.9.2065 Ve/Sa 27.5.2068 Ve/Me 28.7.2071 Ve/Ke 27.5.2074 Su/Su 28.7.2075 Su/Mo 14.11.2075 Su/Ma 15.5.2076 Su/Ra 20.9.2076 Su/Ju 14.8.2077 Su/Sa 2.6.2078 Su/Me 15.5.2079 Su/Ke 21.3.2080 Su/Ve 27.7.2080 SAMVA , Cosmologer <cosmologer wrote: > > Hello dear list members, > With transit Rahu now in applying conjunction with the most effective point of his 7th house, Barack Obama is feeling a strain concerning his spoues: > > Obama campaign: Wife never used the word 'Whitey' > WASHINGTON (AP) - Democrat Barack Obama's campaign said Thursday that > Michelle Obama never used the word " whitey " in a speech from the > church pulpit > http://news./s/ap/20080612/ap_on_el_pr/obama_smears > > Best, > Thor > > > > > cosmologer <cosmologer > SAMVA > Thursday, June 12, 2008 8:09:26 PM > Barack Obama Birth Certificate published > > Dear friends, > > Barack Obama's birth time is 7:24 PM - giving a rising degree of 24° > 43' Capricorn - according to the following image of his birth > certificate: > http://images.dailykos.com/images/user/3/BO_Birth_Certificate.jpg > > The BC was published on this site, which gives more information about > it: > http://campaignspot.nationalreview.com/post/? > q=NWVjN2I1MjlhM2ZjZjRjYzBkODAxZjZkZGQyYWNkMDk= > > Interestingly, the deviation from the earlier cited 7:11 PM time is > 13 minutes. Only a few days ago, Ron Day and I were discussing this > ascendant in terms of SA and ended up considering two times: > > a) +10 minutes, or 7:21 PM, giving 23° 51' Capricorn rising and > b) +21 minutes, or 7:31 PM, giving 27° 02' Capricorn. > > So, we were quite close to the actual time - assuming the official > time is accurate. > > In this case we can observe the following: > > 1) 8th lord SUN at 19° 13' Cancer is outside the MEP of the 7th > house, which is very good > 2) 4th lord MARS at 29° 15' Leo is inside the MEP of the 8th house. I > could add, that as it is in Leo (equivalent of a Sun-like-house), the > power of the planet is increased, to 40%. So, its positive influence > on the 8th house, 11th house, 2nd house of status and 3rd house of > communication, is increased. > 3) the nodal station this summer at 24° 30' Capricorn and Cancer will > be felt acutely by him. > > Finally, CONGRATULATIONS to Ron Day for his accurate choice of a late > Capricorn ascendant for Barack Obama. > > Best wishes, > > Thor > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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