Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus

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Dear friends,

 

It is possible Barack Obama has a Leo lagna. I guess what I wanted to come

across yesterday after quickly looking at this chart was that I found the Leo

lagna chart an overall disappointment.

 

On further refelection, it is clear that the strong L3 Venus in Gemini H11 would

give him an extra ability to fulfill his inititives and make him a knowledgeable

visionary and communicator. He is running the Venus sub-period, which would be

the best period of his

life on such themes.

 

I overlooked yesterday that the sub-period of Venus, a very strong L3 of growth,

was also running from age 10 to 12, which could explain his tall height. Mars as

L9 on the ascendant could also help in this regard.

 

One last comment on this chart. It could also to be expected for politicians

engaged in long-term reform issues to have planets in H6 of conflict. Moreover,

we can immediately think of President Bush when it comes to having either Sun in

H12 or L2 there.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

 

 

Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino

SAMVA

Sunday, January 6, 2008 9:34:55 AM

Re: Re: Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus

 

 

Dear Friends,

 

In my view, he is Leo lagna.

 

TOB 9:06 am must be very close to the true TOB.

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

 

 

On 1/6/08, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2007/12/29/us/politics/20071229_OBAMA_TIMELIN\

E.html#

 

 

 

On 1/6/08, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino > wrote:

Junior Senator

from Illinois

Incumbent

Assumed office

January 3 , 2005

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barack_Obama

 

another important date

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

 

 

On 1/6/08, Jorge Angelino <jorge.angelino > wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

May be this helps:

 

http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2008/cands08/obamatime.html

 

Best wishes,

 

Jorge

 

On 1/6/08, Cosmologer <cosmologer > wrote:

Dear David,

 

I think we have a minor quandry regarding a convincing chart for him. Either

that or he has little promise of becoming President.

 

A. I find that the Leo rising chart looks rather weak and unpromising. First,

there are 4 planets in dusthanas. L1 Sun and L2 Mercury are in Cancer H12. L5

Jupiter and L7 Saturn are in Capricorn H6. Jupiter and Mercury are in mutual

aspect but they are both weak due to bad placement hence the benefit of the

aspect would be reduced.

 

The only strong planet is Venus in H11 and its sub-period is operating. This

could explain the sudden prominence. While Moon is exalted and fairly strong in

Taurus H10 and receives an aspect from Jupiter, this aspect would not be very

helpful as Jupiter is so weak on account of bad placement and debilitation. Moon

is also L8 and hence likely to cause obstacles in career.

 

While the placement of L9 Mars on rising degree would give luck, Mars is in

advanced old age and hence weak. The luck and courage would likely not be that

prominent in the life. The Leo rising chart does not look like that of a winner.

If it is the correct one, as you hint at, it would suggest a setback for him

when the nodes go stationary over their natal placements in a few months time.

 

Interestingly, the time 9:06 AM is exactly 4 hours earlier than the 13:06 PM

time.

 

B. The 13:06 PM time gives 24° Libra rising, which has only one planet in bad

placement, L10 Moon. L1 Venus is strong in H9 and its period is operating. L11

Sun is in H10, but with its dispositor Moon badly placed in H8.

 

Neither chart does a convincing job of explaining Obama's tall height.

 

A. The Leo rising chart has L1 Sun is weak and badly placed. While L3 Venus is

strong it is not impacting H1 or H3 or its lords. It is also aspected by Ketu in

H7. The Venus sub-period would have been operating when he was 18 years old.

 

B. In the Libra rising chart, L3 Jupiter is debilitated and under mutual aspect

with L12 Mercury. Jupiter also aspects a badly placed L10 Moon. Would such

aspects suggest rapid growth during teenage years? In the Libra rising chart,

the Jupiter sub-period would have been operating when he was 13 years old. The

Sun sub-period would have been running when he was 11 years old. If the birth

time were slightly earlier, say 13:00 his ascendant would place L11 Sun into H10

MEP and thus aspecting H4 which contains L3, which could possibly suggest his

tall height.

 

Well, this is my two cents on these charts based on these given times.

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

 

 

David Hawthorne < david

SAMVA

Sunday, January 6, 2008 12:00:10 AM

RE: Re: Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus

 

I think one of the clues is to see the transits for the win in Iowa.

 

Regardless of the ascendant, the other notable issue is that Rahu and Ketu

will be stationary on their natal position for him from Jan. 20 to March

26th.

 

This could be very difficult for him.

 

David Hawthorne

 

 

 

SAMVA [sAMVA ] On Behalf Of

cosmologer

Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:13 AM

SAMVA

Re: Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus

 

Dear David,

 

Thanks for the further information on Barack Obama, who may well make

it far or all the way in this harrowing selection process. Indeed,

these birth times that are being circulated are not well established

and need to be studied and predicted against. I have one thought

concerning his tall height. Without having studied the charts in

question, it would seem to be more consistent with a Leo ascendant...

 

Best wishes,

 

Thor

 

SAMVA , " David Hawthorne " <david wrote:

>

> Dear Thor.

>

> I have also seen his birth time listed at 9:06 a.m., which gives

the Leo

> rising sign.

>

> Unfortunately, I haven't had time to study either chart yet.

>

> Thank you for posting the 13:06 time as well.

>

> David Hawthorne

>

>

> SAMVA [ SAMVA ] On

Behalf Of

> Cosmologer

> Friday, January 04, 2008 1:44 AM

> samva

> Obama Barack wins Iowa caucus

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Attached are the charts of Barack Obama and Mike Huckabee.

>

> There seems to be some agreement on the Libra rising chart for

Obama among

> US astrologers but so far no birth time has emerged for Huckabee

only the

> date and place of his birth.

>

> For lack of better information, I submit a Leo rising chart for

Huckabee,

> with Sun on the rising degree, suggesting a ruling nature and a

developed

> soul, although I have limited information for that selection. This

ascendant

> would better explain the win in the Republican caucus. Another

possibility

> is Cancer rising for Huckabee placing Jupiter on the MEP. This

configuration

> would suggest a religious attitude, but also one being adamant in

views.

>

> The win by Obama appears to be consistent with his chart.

>

> We may keep in mind what suggested on the list

on Nov.

> 24, 2007:

> " The planetary position in November 2008 is quite difficult for US

but the

> elections may not be cancelled or postponed.

>

> US Presidential candidates with Cancer or Taurus or Capricorn

rising will

> have almost no chance of winning the elections. One with Leo,

Libra or

> Saggitarius rising stands a better chance. "

>

> Best wishes,

>

> Thor

>

> Huckabee, Obama have huge night in Iowa

> Story Highlights

> * Sens. Chris Dodd and Joe Biden drop out of race

> * Polls: Huckabee earns support of evangelicals, women

> * Democratic race a debate between change, experience, CNN

analyst

> says

> * Huckabee vastly outspent by Romney, who poured millions

of dollars

> into campaign

> < http://i.l.cnn.net/cnn/images/1.gif> DES MOINES, Iowa (CNN) --

Barack

> Obama and Mike Huckabee have claimed victories in Iowa's first-in-

the-nation

> caucuses

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> Sen. Barack Obama says the night was a " defining moment in

history. "

>

>

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> With all Democratic precincts reporting, Obama had the support of

38 percent

> of voters, compared to 30 percent for John Edwards and 29 percent

for

> Hillary Clinton.

> " The numbers tell us this was a debate between change and

experience, and

> change won, " said CNN political analyst Bill Schneider.

> Iowa delivered fatal blows to the campaigns of Sen. Chris

> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/chris.dodd.html >

Dodd of

> Connecticut and Sen. Joe

> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/joe.biden.html >

Biden of

> Delaware. Both have decided to abandon their White House runs.

> New Mexico Gov. Bill

>

< http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/bill.richardson.html>

> Richardson, who finished fourth, said his campaign plans to " take

the fight

> to New Hampshire. "

> New Hampshire holds the nation's first primary Tuesday.

> Clinton and Obama are in a statistical dead heat in New Hampshire,

according

> to the latest CNN/WMUR poll.

> On the GOP side, Sen. John McCain of Arizona, whose campaign was

languishing

> six months ago, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney are now

tied for

> first place in New Hampshire, according to the poll, which was

released

> Wednesday.

> McCain left Iowa before caucus night even began. He was already in

New

> Hampshire by Thursday afternoon, trying to get a jump on his

rivals.

> For the winners of both party's caucuses in Iowa, it's an age

revolt for

> Democrats versus a religious revolt for Republicans, Schneider

said.

> Among Democrats, Obama took 57 percent of the under-30 vote,

according to

> CNN's analysis of entrance polls. Watch Obama celebrate his victory

> Speaking to supporters, Obama called the night a " defining moment in

> history. "

> " You came together as Democrats, Republicans and independents to

stand up

> and say that we are one nation, we are one people and our time for

change

> has come. " Huckabee's victory can be attributed to his overwhelming

support

> among evangelical voters and women, the polls indicate.

> With 92 percent of Republican precincts reporting, Huckabee, former

governor

> of Arkansas, had the support of 34 percent of voters, compared to

25 percent

> for Romney. Fred Thompson had 13 percent, McCain had 13 percent and

Ron Paul

> had 10 percent. Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who has turned

the

> focus of his campaign to the February 5 " Super Tuesday " primaries,

trailed

> with 4 percent.

> " We've paid a lot of attention to states that some other candidates

haven't

> paid a lot of attention to, " Giuliani said, adding, " Time will tell

what the

> best strategy is. "

> Huckabee was vastly outspent by Romney, who poured millions of

dollars into

> a sophisticated get-out-the-vote operation.

> " People really are more important than the purse, and what a great

lesson

> for America to learn, " Huckabee said in thanking his supporters.

For most of

> 2007, Huckabee languished in the single digits in the polls and had

very

> little success raising money. But his momentum picked up in the

final six

> weeks of the year when social conservatives -- an important voting

bloc in

> Iowa -- began to move his way.

> " We won the silver ... You win the silver in one event. It doesn't

mean

> you're not going to come back and win the gold in the final event,

and that

> we are going to do, " Romney said.

>

< http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/hillary.clinton.html>

> Clinton, speaking with 96 percent of the vote in, portrayed herself

as the

> candidate who could bring about the change the voters want.

> " I am so ready for the rest of this campaign, and I am so ready to

lead, "

> she said.

> Clinton had worked to convince Iowa caucus-goers she has the

experience to

> enact change, while Edwards and Obama preached that she is too much

of a

> Washington insider to bring change to the nation's capital.

> < http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/john.edwards.html>

> Edwards, in a tight race for second, said Iowa's results show

that " the

> status quo lost and change won. "

> " Now we move on ... to determine who is best suited to bring about

the

> changes this country so desperately needs, " he said.

> McCain, who had largely abandoned Iowa to focus on the New Hampshire

> primary, said, " The lessons of tonight's election in Iowa are that

one, you

> can't buy an election in

<http://topics.edition.cnn.com/topics/Iowa > Iowa;

> and two, that negative campaigns don't work. " With such a close

race on both

> sides, voter turnout was key. The Iowa Democratic Party reported

seeing

> record turnout. The party said there were at least 227,000 caucus

attendees.

> The Iowa GOP projected that 120,000 people took part in the

Republican

> caucuses.The Iowa Democratic Party said 124,000 people participated

in the

> 2004 caucuses, while the Republican Party of Iowa estimated that

87,000

> people took part in the 2000 caucuses. (President Bush ran

unchallenged for

> a second term in 2004.)

> Caucus-goer Kathy Barger, inside a Democratic caucus site in

Walnut, Iowa,

> said the room she was in was packed to the brim with a line out the

door.

> " I don't know how they are going to be able to fit everybody in the

room,

> much less count the votes, " she said. " There are bodies in every

available

> space in the room. "

> The White House hopefuls campaigned down to the wire in Iowa,

determined to

> reach as many people as possible before the 1,781 caucuses that

started at 7

> p.m. Iowa Democrats, unlike Republicans, use a more complicated

system to

> determine a candidate's viability. Republican caucus-goers are

asked for

> their support for a candidate only one time during the event.

Democrats are

> asked twice: an initial question of support, and a second if their

> first-choice candidate does not reach a 15 percent threshold to

achieve

> viability.

> Among Republican candidates,

> <http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/fred.thompson.html >

> Thompson, a former senator from Tennessee, and Rep. Duncan

>

< http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/duncan.hunter.html>

Hunter

> of California needed strong showings in Iowa to keep their

campaigns going,

> while

< http://edition.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/candidates/ron.paul.html> Paul,

> a representative from Texas, is likely to ride his surge of

popularity

> through February 5 -- " Super Tuesday, " when 24 states hold their

primaries

> -- no matter where he places in the early contests.

>

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