Guest guest Report post Posted March 14, 2003 dear friends; i shall like to share my views without malice on surfing the site original lalkitab.com;a little disappointment could not be suppressed as at present there is nothing original except showering loads of praises in respect the author and the family . it looks more of a site trying to conceal the knowledge rather than coming out lock stock and barrel for clearing the doubts about the principles and logic of the treatise.it is expected from the ORIGINALS.LOTS and LOTS MORE ABOUT THE PRINCIPLES IS AVAILABLE ON DOZENS OF OTHER SITES WHICH do not boast about being so ORIGINAL.. as this treatise is more followed by people of indian origin; i donot know why membership is being offered in foreign currency and what benefits are being provided for such a sum;there is nothing about this on site at present. as orginally published manuscripts are not readily available in market and may have become a collectors' item; and transliterations available in market are being denounced by the site;then what are the choices available .more so ,as detailed a book- REHNUMA-E- LALKIATB is under production ;is it going to cater need of original manuscript or just another pointer book with no foundation backing as original manuscripts are rarely to be seen. it has been emphasised on the list on more than one occassion that if remedies prescribed are wrong ie. a misjudgement on part of astrologer they may backfire ,consultations are more often taken in time of problems by people having faith and in case the remedy given backfires it is just like rubbing salt to wound ;why should a remedy backfire ? is it some witchcraft going hay wire ? in other systems of astrology may be eastern or western ,parashari or gemini or any x y z faith healing system the remedy may work or fail to work but backfire it sounds more of a hoopla to create mysticism.except in cases where an astrological gem may not prove suitable but in this time where are such gems available? lets say if other systems of astrology ergo parashari are indicating a gravely troubled times ahead in a horoscope ;will lal kitab principles also indicate the same ?AS TRANSITS ARE NOT A PART OF LALKITAB PRACTISE THAN WHAT IS THE BASIS OF PREDICTION? ---is it varshphala. in indian astrology there are theories of affliction in natal charts and weakness of planets as any student of astrology can understand and for both different types of remedy that is propitiation of malefics and strengthening for weak planets by way of astrological gems. yantra etc are prescribed. BUT in alal kitab there are no different remedy principles are there. it is not clear in lal kitab .any where that which is more important natal chart or varshphala and which must form the exact basis of interpretation ; it looks very strange that without following transits and planetary periods how the long term prediction can be given?which form an important part in horoscope interpretation.MASNUI PLANETS[artificial planets] have been given importance but what is the basis for making such assumptons that two planets can act in tandem typically like a particular planet or in other words one planet is being advocated as a combination of two different planets; each one of two can again be bifurcated in to two again and process may continue till one desires . KINDLY GIVE THE FOLLOWING A LITTLE ATTENTIONA] lal kitab also contains urdu[farsi]words and at more than one place keeping idols at home has been denounced ;is there some muslim connection???with book;also natives with certain planetary combinations have been advised to avoid visiting places of worship; WAS SUCH A STEP ADVOCATED AGAINST CERTAIN CASTES AS WELL IN PAST.B]EVEN PROVIDING WATER FACILITY FOR PUBLIC MAY BE HARMFUL FOR NATIVE.C] ALSO SOME NATIVES MAY GET HARMED IF THEY FUND CONSTRUCTION OF INNS FOR PUBLIC AT ALRGE.D]YOUNGER BROTHERS SHOULD NOT PROVIDE FINANCIAL HELP FOR MARRY DAUGHTERS OF ELDER BROTHERS;WHO SHALL OWN RESPONSIBILTY OF SUCH CHILDREN IF UNFORTUNATELY FATHER EXPIRES OR IS NOT IN VIABLE FINACIAL CONDITION.E] WHAT A FANCY PALMISTRY IN THE BOOK HAS BEEN USED FOR MAKING OF HOROCOPE ;THUS RAHU 'KETU MAY RESIDE IN A SINGLE HOUSE IN HOROSCOPE ; AND A UNIVERSAL FACT THAT MERCURY AND VENUS REMAIN IN VICINTY OF SUN;ALSO PROVED ASTRONOMICALLY CAN IN THIS TREATISE BE FAR AWAY TO SUN. any takers please?comimg back to site ; is the site meant only for commercial purposes as membership charges are being asked for in lieu of benefits which have not been mentioned are we going for globalisation of totkas of unknown origin . or the site aims towards glorification of late author certainly a genius as he produced a work which remains to be understood OR misunderstood by most learned astrologers even after fifty years of publication OR present members of family which till now have in no way contributed at large in field of astrology as still no further literature in field has been published by these in last fifty years and as site claims they are practising the knowledge of LAL KITAB from TORANTO and PANCHKULA a posh area near chandigarh in india ; certainly by the area of residence given it can be assumed that finances were never a problem in case they wanted to produce any other astrological book on same principles; so what has kept them waiting for so long , that is FIFTY years to be precise and at a time when hundreds of versions and pointer books have been produced by authors and publishers of known and unknown authenticity.in present times if a gem of a book is available to be printed there is no dearth of money or publishers ready to cash in ;as it is evident from facts that there are hundreds of titles are available in markety in name of lal kitab each claiming to be of original source . IS THIS SITE IE wwworiginallalkitab.com ONE MORE ADDITION TO ABOVE GROUP ? AND promised publication rehnuma -e- lalkitab another attempt ; MAY BE FIRST ONE to cash the name of one of its illustrous forefather ; only god KNOWS. my humble experience in field of astrology is that GREED IS THE NAME OF GAME. i shall advice all those interested in membership to look before they leap.every thing that shines may not be gold.i shall even be satisfied if it is silver or even aluminium but that is limit for me . i am sorry but thats me lastly ,while reading the previous messeges - nothing about logical principles comes out whether one is supposed to cram the whole thing :eg 1200 pages and as somebody quoted that it could have gone to 5000 pages ; so kindly lnform the guinees people about such feat; as only they are interested in something so foolish. all this may sound harsh and cruel but you live only once and time is limited; any takers for response pl. 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Guest guest Report post Posted March 15, 2003 I wish to quote from the first chapter, Para number 9 of Lal Kitab, the following: " Is mein shaq naheen ki ladakpan kee tabiyat waley nindak (badkhoyee karne wala) aur kooveyn ke mendhak (apnay daayray mein mahdood) jaise dimagee maalik aur makhol udanay waley bhole-badshaah (bewaqoof) se karaahat aa hee jayaa kartee hai, magar duniyavee sathiyon kee hasb-e- haisiyat* is ilam kay zariyay fayda pahunchana insanee sharafat hogee. kyonki: " kar bhalaa hogaa bhalaa, aakhir bhalay kaa bhalaa " Need I say more? Alpesh lalkitab , critic bum <criticu> wrote: > > dear friends; > i shall like to share my views without malice > > all this may sound harsh and cruel but you live only once and time is limited; > any takers for response pl. > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Dear Sir, You have raised some valid points.But Bum Critic is not a very nice way to introduce oneself.It will be nice if we know who exactly we are communicating with. People living in Tronto or Panchkula may not be all rich. Regarding some one trying to make a living from Lak Kitab,I have got no quarrel with that because lot of people are doing it and everyone has a right to do the same,specially those whose inheritence it is. The web site of Originalalkitab doesn't seem to be complete.Hopefully it will be done some time in the future and we will know exactly what one will get for the $70/-fees.This may seem to be lot but even with 100 members it will be just about $10000/-per year ,which is not sufficent for a family to survive in Canada. What is given on the site about the author can easily be verified by anyone who has the inclination for the same.It has not happened in the too distant past.There will still be people around who had readings done by the author. Lal Kitab is not easy to decipher.Any thing which is channeled may not even be easily understood even by the person through whom it is channeled,leave aside others. Mr.Bhatia has suggested that one has to follow lal Kitab and not mix it with traditional Jyotish.He does have an understanding of the Lal Kitab which can be made out from one of his readings on the List. I have got about 6 diffrent Lal kitabs and I haven't been able to make much out of them.I am hoping some members who understand the same and time permitting they will share with the groups. With regards, Jagmeet Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 15, 2003 Hello Friends, I too do agree with the certain points raised by Mr. Critic. Although I have good resources pertaining to Lal Kitab still I am getting problem understanding the soul of Lal Kitab. But in my opinion in astrology only experience can tell you about truthfulness, logics and discussion on truthfulness are useless. Any concept or rule may sound silly but there is one any only one way to judge accuracy and truthfulness and that is experience. Punit Pandey www.astrocamp.com --- critic bum <criticu wrote: > > dear friends; > i shall like to share my views without malice > > on surfing the site original lalkitab.com;a little > disappointment could not be suppressed as at present > there is nothing original except > showering loads of praises in respect the author and > the family . it looks more of a site trying to > conceal the knowledge rather than coming out lock > stock and barrel for clearing the doubts about the > principles and logic of the treatise.it is expected > from the ORIGINALS. > LOTS and LOTS MORE ABOUT THE PRINCIPLES IS AVAILABLE > ON DOZENS OF OTHER SITES WHICH do not boast about > being so ORIGINAL.. > as this treatise is more followed by people of > indian origin; i donot know why membership is being > offered in foreign currency and what benefits are > being provided for such a sum;there is nothing about > this on site at present. > as orginally published manuscripts are not readily > available in market and may have become a > collectors' item; and transliterations available in > market are being denounced by the site;then what > are the choices available .more so ,as detailed a > book- REHNUMA-E- LALKIATB is under production ;is > it going to cater need of original manuscript or > just another pointer book with no foundation backing > as original manuscripts are rarely to be seen. > it has been > emphasised on the list on more than one occassion > that if remedies prescribed are wrong ie. a > misjudgement on part of astrologer they may backfire > ,consultations are more often > taken in time of problems by people having faith > and in case the remedy given backfires it is just > like rubbing salt to wound ;why should a remedy > backfire ? is it some witchcraft going hay wire ? in > other systems of astrology may be eastern or western > ,parashari or gemini or any x y z faith healing > system the remedy may work or fail to work but > backfire it sounds more of a hoopla to create > mysticism.except in cases where an astrological gem > may not prove suitable but in this time where are > such gems available? > lets say if other systems of astrology ergo > parashari are indicating a gravely troubled times > ahead in a horoscope ;will lal kitab principles also > indicate the same ?AS TRANSITS ARE NOT A PART OF > LALKITAB PRACTISE THAN WHAT IS THE BASIS OF > PREDICTION? ---is it varshphala. > in indian astrology there are theories of > affliction in natal charts and weakness of planets > as any student > of astrology can understand and for both different > types of remedy that is propitiation of malefics and > > strengthening for weak planets by way of > astrological gems. yantra etc are prescribed. BUT > in alal kitab there > are no different remedy principles are there. > > it is not clear in lal kitab .any where that which > is more important natal chart or varshphala and > which must form the exact basis of interpretation ; > it looks very strange that without following > transits and planetary periods how the long term > prediction can be given?which form an important > part in horoscope interpretation. > MASNUI PLANETS[artificial planets] have been given > importance but what is the basis for making such > assumptons that two planets can act in tandem > typically like a particular planet or in other > words one planet is being advocated as a combination > of two different planets; each one of two can again > be bifurcated in to two again and process may > continue till one desires . > > KINDLY GIVE THE FOLLOWING A LITTLE ATTENTION > A] lal kitab also contains urdu[farsi]words and at > more than one place keeping idols at home has been > denounced ;is there some muslim connection??? > with book;also natives with certain planetary > combinations have been advised to avoid visiting > places of worship; WAS SUCH A STEP ADVOCATED AGAINST > CERTAIN CASTES AS WELL IN PAST. > B]EVEN PROVIDING WATER FACILITY FOR PUBLIC MAY BE > HARMFUL FOR NATIVE. > C] ALSO SOME NATIVES MAY GET HARMED IF > THEY FUND CONSTRUCTION OF INNS FOR PUBLIC AT > ALRGE. > D]YOUNGER BROTHERS SHOULD NOT PROVIDE FINANCIAL HELP > FOR MARRY DAUGHTERS OF ELDER BROTHERS;WHO SHALL OWN > RESPONSIBILTY OF SUCH CHILDREN IF UNFORTUNATELY > FATHER EXPIRES OR IS NOT IN VIABLE FINACIAL > CONDITION. > E] WHAT A FANCY PALMISTRY IN THE BOOK HAS BEEN USED > FOR MAKING OF HOROCOPE ;THUS RAHU 'KETU MAY RESIDE > IN A SINGLE HOUSE IN HOROSCOPE ; AND > A UNIVERSAL FACT THAT MERCURY AND VENUS REMAIN IN > VICINTY OF SUN;ALSO PROVED ASTRONOMICALLY CAN IN > THIS TREATISE BE FAR AWAY TO SUN. any takers please? > comimg back to site ; is the site meant only for > commercial purposes as membership charges are being > asked for in lieu of benefits which have not been > mentioned are we going for globalisation of totkas > of unknown origin . > > or the site aims towards glorification of late > author certainly a genius as he produced a work > which remains to be understood OR misunderstood by > most learned astrologers even after fifty years of > publication OR present members of family which till > now have in no way contributed at large in field of > astrology as still no further literature in field > has been published by these in last fifty years and > as site claims they are practising the knowledge of > LAL KITAB from TORANTO and PANCHKULA a posh area > near chandigarh in india ; certainly by the area of > residence given it can be assumed that finances were > never a problem in case they wanted to produce any > other astrological book on same principles; so what > has kept them waiting for so long , that is FIFTY > years to be precise and at a time when hundreds of > versions and pointer books have been produced by > authors and publishers of known and unknown > authenticity.in present times if a gem of a book is > available to be printed there is no dearth of money > or publishers ready to cash in ;as it is evident > from facts that there are > hundreds of titles are available in markety in name > of lal kitab each claiming to be of original source > . > IS THIS SITE IE wwworiginallalkitab.com ONE MORE > ADDITION TO ABOVE GROUP ? AND > promised publication rehnuma -e- lalkitab another > attempt ; MAY BE FIRST ONE to cash the name of one > of its illustrous forefather ; only god KNOWS. my > humble experience in field of astrology is that > GREED IS THE NAME OF GAME. > i shall advice all those interested in membership > to look before they leap.every thing that shines may > not be gold.i shall even be satisfied if it is > silver or even aluminium but that is limit for me . > i am sorry but thats me > > lastly ,while reading the previous messeges - > nothing about logical principles comes out whether > one is supposed to cram the whole thing :eg 1200 > pages and as somebody quoted that it could have > gone to 5000 pages ; so kindly lnform the guinees > people about such feat; as only they are interested > in something so foolish. > all this may sound harsh and cruel but > you live only once and time is limited; > any takers for response > pl. > > > Web Hosting - establish your business online Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting. 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