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Namaste,

 

Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath.

 

Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa

calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is

saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya

nakshatra).

 

I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding

" Raghavacharya method " (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the

" Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference) " given in JHora

and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My

apologies for it.

 

I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update.

 

Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by Pt

Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa

WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure

those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the

error.

 

BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why.

 

* * *

 

Some Background on " Rao & Rath " Method

 

This " Rao & Rath " method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930 book

authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath when

he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had not yet fully

figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write

a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It

was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference.

 

I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual teachings.

I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood before (and had

mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference).

 

I added it to JHora as " Raghavacharya method " . Just as Vimsottari dasa is a

nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other

methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for

mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for

antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa

(just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most logical

interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot

of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of

confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered,

understood and shared on the internet. :-(

 

I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings

.

 

I personally do not recommend the " Rao & Rath " method. It was half-baked

research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do)

not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and

fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

Spirituality:

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

 

 

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote:

>

> om gurave namah

>

> Dear Jyotishi

>

> I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my

amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in

Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG.

>

> Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me

questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha

4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from

www.vedicsoftware.com

>

> The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle

iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi....

>

> For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in

London

>

> Best wishes

>

> Sanjay Rath

>

> PS. I think I am going to hold

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Dear PVNR-ji,

 

Thank you for the clarification and your views.

 

Regards

 

Souvik

jhora , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath.

>

> Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa

calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is

saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya

nakshatra).

>

> I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding

" Raghavacharya method " (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the

" Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference) " given in JHora

and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My

apologies for it.

>

> I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update.

>

> Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by

Pt Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa

WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure

those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the

error.

>

> BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why.

>

> * * *

>

> Some Background on " Rao & Rath " Method

>

> This " Rao & Rath " method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930

book authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath

when he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had not yet fully

figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write

a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It

was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference.

>

> I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual

teachings. I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood

before (and had mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference).

>

> I added it to JHora as " Raghavacharya method " . Just as Vimsottari dasa is a

nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other

methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for

mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for

antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa

(just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most logical

interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot

of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of

confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered,

understood and shared on the internet. :-(

>

> I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings

.

>

> I personally do not recommend the " Rao & Rath " method. It was half-baked

research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do)

not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and

fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> Spirituality:

> Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

>

> sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote:

> >

> > om gurave namah

> >

> > Dear Jyotishi

> >

> > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my

amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in

Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG.

> >

> > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me

questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha

4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from

www.vedicsoftware.com

> >

> > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle

iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi....

> >

> > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in

London

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> > PS. I think I am going to hold

>

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namaste Sri Narasimha Rao,

 

May Lord Ganesh remove all obstacles from your path and grant you peace and prosperity is all things!

 

Although not the scholar I believe you to be, I am a long-time student of Jyotish...and continue to be. IMHO, I would prefer that you remove any technique that is not a part of the teachings or has not been proven via extensive research than to have an unproven technique that would result in misguidance to those, like me, who are learning and providing guidance to others.

namaste, David LaGrone

 

 

 

Narasimha PVR Rao <pvrjhora ; JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; Sent: Tue, November 3, 2009 11:28:29 AM Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHoraNamaste,Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath.Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya nakshatra).I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding "Raghavacharya method" (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the "Nakshatra Pada Iteration

Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference)" given in JHora and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My apologies for it.I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update.Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by Pt Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the error.BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why.* * *Some Background on "Rao & Rath" MethodThis "Rao & Rath" method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930 book authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath when he stayed at my house several years ago.

Though I said I had not yet fully figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference.I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual teachings. I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood before (and had mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference).I added it to JHora as "Raghavacharya method". Just as Vimsottari dasa is a nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa (just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most

logical interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered, understood and shared on the internet. :-(I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings .I personally do not recommend the "Rao & Rath" method. It was half-baked research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do) not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon.Best regards,NarasimhaDo a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free

Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgJyotish writings: JyotishWritingsSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org--- In sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote:>> om gurave namah> > Dear Jyotishi> > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG.> > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha 4th

Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from www.vedicsoftware.com > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi....> > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in London> > Best wishes> > Sanjay Rath> > PS. I think I am going to hold---

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Dear all,

 

I cannot find any kalachakra dasa named `Rao & Rath' in jhora 7.33 version

 

jk

 

 

jhora [jhora ]On Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao03 November 2009 22:58jhora ; JyotishWritings ; vedic astrology ; Subject: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora

Namaste,Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath.Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya nakshatra).I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding "Raghavacharya method" (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the "Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference)" given in JHora and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My apologies for it.I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update.Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by Pt Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the error.BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why.* * *Some Background on "Rao & Rath" MethodThis "Rao & Rath" method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930 book authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath when he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had not yet fully figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference.I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual teachings. I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood before (and had mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference).I added it to JHora as "Raghavacharya method". Just as Vimsottari dasa is a nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa (just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most logical interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered, understood and shared on the internet. :-(I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings .I personally do not recommend the "Rao & Rath" method. It was half-baked research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do) not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon.Best regards,Narasimha-------------------------Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homamDo Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpanaSpirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.netFree Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.orgJyotish writings: JyotishWritingsSri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org---------------------------- In sohamsa , "Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote:>> om gurave namah> > Dear Jyotishi> > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG.> > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from www.vedicsoftware.com > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi....> > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in London> > Best wishes> > Sanjay Rath> > PS. I think I am going to hold

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Dear JK dada,

Please go to option on display panel of default kalachakra dasa.

You will get a window giving you option in three windows.

One of them is method of calculation. In all it has six

option/methods  that Pt Rath referred.

With regards.

RCS

 

 

 

 

jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of jk.dasgupta

Wednesday, November 04, 2009 10:56 AM

jhora

RE: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora

 

 

 

 

 

 



 

Dear all,

 

 

 

 

 

I cannot find any kalachakra dasa

named `Rao & Rath' in jhora 7.33 version

 

 

 

 

 

jk

 

 

 

 

 

 

jhora [jhora ]On Behalf

Of Narasimha PVR Rao

03 November 2009 22:58

jhora ; JyotishWritings ;

vedic astrology ;

Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora

 

Namaste,

 

Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath.

 

Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa

calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is

saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya

nakshatra).

 

I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding

" Raghavacharya method " (the correct method in my view). I confirm

that the " Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC

conference) " given in JHora and a few previous methods indeed have errors

in apasavya nakshatras. My apologies for it.

 

I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update.

 

Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by

Pt Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa

WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure

those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the

error.

 

BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why.

 

* * *

 

Some Background on " Rao & Rath " Method

 

This " Rao & Rath " method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me

in a 1930 book authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it

with Pt Rath when he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had

not yet fully figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to

urgently write a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and

sent it to him. It was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath

at the conference.

 

I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual

teachings. I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood

before (and had mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference).

 

I added it to JHora as " Raghavacharya method " . Just as Vimsottari

dasa is a nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression.

All other methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by

Parasara for mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those

tables for antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from

janma navamsa (just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the

most logical interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly,

there was a lot of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be

a lot of confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is

discovered, understood and shared on the internet. :-(

 

I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings

.

 

I personally do not recommend the " Rao & Rath " method. It was

half-baked research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did

(and do) not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in

JHora and fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

-------------------------

Do a Short Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam

Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

Spirituality:

Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

-------------------------

 

sohamsa ,

" Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath wrote:

>

> om gurave namah

>

> Dear Jyotishi

>

> I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my

amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in

Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG.

>

> Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me

questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked

Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from

www.vedicsoftware.com

>

> The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full

cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi....

>

> For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in

London

>

> Best wishes

>

> Sanjay Rath

>

> PS. I think I am going to hold

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JyotishWritings , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

 

Namaste,

 

Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath.

 

Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa

calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is

saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya

nakshatra).

 

I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding

" Raghavacharya method " (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the

" Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference) " given in JHora

and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My

apologies for it.

 

I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update.

 

Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by Pt

Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa

WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure

those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the

error.

 

BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why.

 

* * *

 

Some Background on " Rao & Rath " Method

 

This " Rao & Rath " method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930 book

authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath when

he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had not yet fully

figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write

a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It

was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference.

 

I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual teachings.

I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood before (and had

mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference).

 

I added it to JHora as " Raghavacharya method " . Just as Vimsottari dasa is a

nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other

methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for

mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for

antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa

(just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most logical

interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot

of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of

confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered,

understood and shared on the internet. :-(

 

I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings

.

 

I personally do not recommend the " Rao & Rath " method. It was half-baked

research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do)

not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and

fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

 

Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

 

 

sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote:

>

> om gurave namah

>

> Dear Jyotishi

>

> I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my

amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in

Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG.

>

> Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me

questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha

4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from

www.vedicsoftware.com

>

> The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle

iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi....

>

> For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in

London

>

> Best wishes

>

> Sanjay Rath

>

> PS. I think I am going to hold

 

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OM Guruve Namah

 

Dear friends,

I do not know the purpose of old mail forwarded here.

Since it is here I wish to say,

Kaal chakra dasa is one of he most controversial dasa.Rao & Rath method is also

discarded one.If one goes through the writings / teachings of Dr Raman,Deewan

Ramchand kapoor.Mr Chugh,R sanhamnam & KN.Rao ( all have written on KCD) ,As a

student of astrology one will come across many interpretation basic for some

issues.

1 Beginning of dasa

2 Calculation of balance of dasa

3 Movement of dasa within group / sub group of savya nakshatra, Apsavya

nakshatra or in chakric order of dasa.

PVR wrote tutorials long ago .He justified many events using his method.BTW

Sanjay Rath uses method He taught in 2005 at London conference.

From mail It apperas PVR ji is not aware of london teachings .To my

understanding in PDF presented at serbia / london conferences itself it is

mentioned that Naksatra pada iteration method should not be preferred.

Since I am yet to workout examples by demo of Srijyoti , I can not

comment on J hora options said to be correct/ incorrect.I follow Chugh method to

calculate balance and working on Rath chakra method for dasa movement.

 

Hope experienced members will enlighten with there experience , How they work

out .

 

with regards,

 

OM TAT SAT

R. C. SRIVASTAVA

 

, " sreesog " <sreesog wrote:

>

> JyotishWritings , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr@> wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath.

>

> Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa

calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is

saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya

nakshatra).

>

> I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding

" Raghavacharya method " (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the

" Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference) " given in JHora

and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My

apologies for it.

>

> I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update.

>

> Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by

Pt Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa

WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure

those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the

error.

>

> BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why.

>

> * * *

>

> Some Background on " Rao & Rath " Method

>

> This " Rao & Rath " method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930

book authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath

when he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had not yet fully

figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write

a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It

was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference.

>

> I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual

teachings. I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood

before (and had mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference).

>

> I added it to JHora as " Raghavacharya method " . Just as Vimsottari dasa is a

nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other

methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for

mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for

antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa

(just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most logical

interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot

of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of

confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered,

understood and shared on the internet. :-(

>

> I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings

.

>

> I personally do not recommend the " Rao & Rath " method. It was half-baked

research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do)

not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and

fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

> Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

>

>

> sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote:

> >

> > om gurave namah

> >

> > Dear Jyotishi

> >

> > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my

amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in

Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG.

> >

> > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me

questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha

4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from

www.vedicsoftware.com

> >

> > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle

iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi....

> >

> > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in

London

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> > PS. I think I am going to hold

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

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Dear sir,

I have been waiting like others for update.

While working on various options it occured to me, that Working of dasa Balance

and sequense flow od dasa rasi as taught by MR chugh may also be made avaiable

with the release of Next version/ patch.

It will help many who wants to follow continuous chakra method.

His method may be well known to your goodself yet ,as understood by me in

nutshell is

1. The moon's Navamsa gives the balance at birth.

2. After completion of rasi sequence we come to next cycle.

3. Next cycle will begin with the first sign of next Parmayus row of signs but

only in the same group of nakshatras.Here same group of nakshatra means` savya

or apsavya .

So dasa sequence will always revolve in only the same group Savya or Apsavya

only.

Hope it can be provided.

With regards.

RCS.

jhora , Narasimha PVR Rao <pvr wrote:

>

> Namaste,

>

> Someone forwarded me this mail from Pt Rath.

>

> Sometime back, some people pointed out inaccuracies in JHora's Kalachakra dasa

calculations with apasavya nakshatras and I acknowledged it. What Pt Rath is

saying below is also related to the same thing (Jyeshtha is an apasavya

nakshatra).

>

> I confirm that I introduced a bug in other Kalachakra dasa methods when adding

" Raghavacharya method " (the correct method in my view). I confirm that the

" Nakshatra Pada Iteration Method (Rao & Rath at SJC conference) " given in JHora

and a few previous methods indeed have errors in apasavya nakshatras. My

apologies for it.

>

> I will correct it in the next few weeks and release a JHora update.

>

> Of course, if anybody wants to buy the commercial software suggested below by

Pt Rath, they may go ahead and buy it. However, error in JHora's Kalachakra dasa

WILL be corrected in the next few weeks. I am sending this mail to reassure

those who do not want to buy commercial software and are concerned about the

error.

>

> BTW, I do not recommend this Rao & Rath method at all. I will explain why.

>

> * * *

>

> Some Background on " Rao & Rath " Method

>

> This " Rao & Rath " method of Kalachakra dasa was discovered by me in a 1930

book authored in Telugu language by Sri Raghavacharya. I shared it with Pt Rath

when he stayed at my house several years ago. Though I said I had not yet fully

figured it out and wanted to work more on it, Pt Rath asked me to urgently write

a paper on it for the upcoming SJC conference. I obliged and sent it to him. It

was published under our two names and presented by Pt Rath at the conference.

>

> I worked further on this and later figured out Raghavacharya's actual

teachings. I found them to be more logical than what I had [mis]understood

before (and had mentioned to Sanjay and had written down for SJC conference).

>

> I added it to JHora as " Raghavacharya method " . Just as Vimsottari dasa is a

nakshatra progression, Raghavacharya method is a navamsa progression. All other

methods of Kalachakra dasa confuse antardasa tables taught by Parasara for

mahadasa tables. Raghavacharya method given in JHora uses those tables for

antardasas and takes mahadasas simply by counting 9 navamsas from janma navamsa

(just as you take 9 nakshatras for Vimsottari dasa)! This is the most logical

interpretation of Kalachakra dasa that I have ever seen. Sadly, there was a lot

of confusion before I discovered this and there continues to be a lot of

confusion even after the simple and beautiful philosophy is discovered,

understood and shared on the internet. :-(

>

> I will soon write on my understanding of Kalachakra dasa on JyotishWritings

.

>

> I personally do not recommend the " Rao & Rath " method. It was half-baked

research that was hastily presented. I disown it and wish people did (and do)

not have to waste their time on it. Nevertheless, I will support it in JHora and

fix the error in apasavya nakshatras soon.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

>

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> Do Pitri Tarpanas Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/tarpana

> Spirituality:

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> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org

>

>

> sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote:

> >

> > om gurave namah

> >

> > Dear Jyotishi

> >

> > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my

amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in

Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG.

> >

> > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me

questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha

4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from

www.vedicsoftware.com

> >

> > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle

iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi....

> >

> > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in

London

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> > PS. I think I am going to hold

>

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Namaste friends,

 

KCD calculation in JHora was broken earlier, but I fixed it in a previous

release. But Pt Sanjay Rath complained (see below) that it was still wrong.

 

I am preparing a JHora 7.4 release now. I wanted to fix Pt Rath's complaint and

checked things. I discovered that JHora 7.33 is fine. If you select the " Rao &

Rath " method of KCD with JHora 7.33, the calculations given by JHora match what

was given in our combined paper.

 

For Jyeshtha 4th quarter, JHora 7.33 is giving Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, Cn, Ge, Ta

and Ar. That is indeed what the paper gave. That also matches what Parasara

taught in BPHS (chapter 46 verses 77-81).

 

* * *

 

> > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....

 

I am not sure why Pt Rath thinks that the sequence should be " Pi-Ar-.... " for

Jyeshtha 4th pada. That is clearly inconsistent with Parasara's teachings as

well as *our own* combined paper.

 

In case Pt Rath changed the sequences given in our combined paper at the last

minute (I was not there at the conference and he presented our combined paper

alone), I have to point out that it is inconsistent with Parasara's teachings.

 

* * *

 

In both the nakshatra pada iteration method as well as other methods, please

select " Rohini 4th pada is Leo navamsa " (instead of " Rohini 4th pada is Cancer

navamsa " ) in Kalachakra dasa options if you want to match the dasa cycles taught

by Parasara.

 

With that setting, all Kalachakra dasa methods supported in JHora match the dasa

cycles listed by Parasara for various nakshatra padas, except of course the

Raghavacharya method.

 

Dasa cycles of different nakshatra padas are the same between various methods

and the difference between various methods is essentially in how dasa sesham is

applied and how antardasas are found. Raghavacharya method is the only one that

is philosophically different in the matter of dasa cycles itself.

 

Raghavacharya method given in JHora takes dasas by taking nine navamsas starting

from the navamsa occupied by Moon (or whatever reference is chosen). It uses the

nine-sign-sequences mapped by Parasara to various nakshatra padas to actually

find the *antardasa cycles* within various dasas.

 

All other methods given in JHora map nakshatra padas to the fixed sequences

listed by Parasara.

 

Bottomline: There are no errors in JHora's KCD computation. Please note the

setting mentioned above.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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> sohamsa , " Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote:

> >

> > om gurave namah

> >

> > Dear Jyotishi

> >

> > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my

amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in

Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG.

> >

> > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me

questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha

4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from

www.vedicsoftware.com

> >

> > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full cycle

iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi....

> >

> > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in

London

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> > PS. I think I am going to hold

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Dear Narsimha ji,

Divine has always blessed you to do wonderful service.

You are aware of KCD Lecture at London from the mail .

In case you have  Time and inclination  to offer calculation as

Per these teachings to be a part of Jhora: CD on KCD are available From Bava.

BTW PDF teachings  in this CD are dedicated to your good self by

Guruji.  In case you offer his methodology The jyotish community will have

 an option to try his teachings with free SW.

With regards.

 

RCS

 

 

 

 

jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of Narasimha

PVR Rao

Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:38 AM

jhora ; JyotishWritings ;

vedic astrology ;

Re: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste friends,

 

KCD calculation in JHora was broken earlier, but I fixed it in a previous

release. But Pt Sanjay Rath complained (see below) that it was still wrong.

 

I am preparing a JHora 7.4 release now. I wanted to fix Pt Rath's complaint and

checked things. I discovered that JHora 7.33 is fine. If you select the

" Rao & Rath " method of KCD with JHora 7.33, the calculations

given by JHora match what was given in our combined paper.

 

For Jyeshtha 4th quarter, JHora 7.33 is giving Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, Cn, Ge, Ta

and Ar. That is indeed what the paper gave. That also matches what Parasara

taught in BPHS (chapter 46 verses 77-81).

 

* * *

 

> > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....

 

I am not sure why Pt Rath thinks that the sequence should be

" Pi-Ar-.... " for Jyeshtha 4th pada. That is clearly inconsistent with

Parasara's teachings as well as *our own* combined paper.

 

In case Pt Rath changed the sequences given in our combined paper at the last

minute (I was not there at the conference and he presented our combined paper

alone), I have to point out that it is inconsistent with Parasara's teachings.

 

* * *

 

In both the nakshatra pada iteration method as well as other methods, please

select " Rohini 4th pada is Leo navamsa " (instead of " Rohini 4th

pada is Cancer navamsa " ) in Kalachakra dasa options if you want to match

the dasa cycles taught by Parasara.

 

With that setting, all Kalachakra dasa methods supported in JHora match the

dasa cycles listed by Parasara for various nakshatra padas, except of course

the Raghavacharya method.

 

Dasa cycles of different nakshatra padas are the same between various methods

and the difference between various methods is essentially in how dasa sesham is

applied and how antardasas are found. Raghavacharya method is the only one that

is philosophically different in the matter of dasa cycles itself.

 

Raghavacharya method given in JHora takes dasas by taking nine navamsas

starting from the navamsa occupied by Moon (or whatever reference is chosen).

It uses the nine-sign-sequences mapped by Parasara to various nakshatra padas

to actually find the *antardasa cycles* within various dasas.

 

All other methods given in JHora map nakshatra padas to the fixed sequences

listed by Parasara.

 

Bottomline: There are no errors in JHora's KCD computation. Please note the

setting mentioned above.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

-------------------------

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-------------------------

 

> sohamsa ,

" Sanjay Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote:

> >

> > om gurave namah

> >

> > Dear Jyotishi

> >

> > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to

my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in

Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG.

> >

> > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask

me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked

Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from

www.vedicsoftware.com

> >

> > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use

full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get

Cn-Vi....

> >

> > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I

used in London

> >

> > Best wishes

> >

> > Sanjay Rath

> >

> > PS. I think I am going to hold

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Namaste,

 

> The jyotish community will have an option to try his teachings with free SW.

 

If Pt Rath took Pi-Ar as the sequence for Jyeshtha 4, his teachings are WRONG.

Period. Parasara is very clear that it should be Sg, Sc, Li, ... for Jyeshtha

4th pada.

 

The challenge in KCD research is to figure out the details Parasara left

ambiguous. It is not to alter what Parasara laid out clearly. We have enough

confusions and there is no need to ADD NEWER CONFUSIONS.

 

* * *

 

I asked Pt Rath in Nov-Dec 2009 if what he taught at BAVA was different from

what was given in our joint paper presented at SJC conference. He did not

respond. I also said I could consider adding his new method to JHora if he (or

someone else) could send me the definition in written form.

 

BTW, I could not locate the CD on BAVA website, even if I were willing to buy

the CD and listen.

 

* * *

 

The whole idea of nakshatra pada iteration was discovered by me from an old

Telugu language book and shared with Sanjay ji when he visited my house in 2004.

Parasara defined the dasa cycles for each nakshatra pada unambiguously, but the

matter of antardasas is murky.

 

The problem with existing KCD antardasa schemes is that they result in

dasa-antardasa combinations or antardasa leaps not sanctioned by Lord Shiva, who

taught to Parvati the results of each possible dasa-antardasa pair in savya and

apasavya chakras!

 

For example, dasa cycle of Aswini 2nd pada is " Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc, Li, Vi, Cn, Le,

Ge " . If one takes antardasas in Li dasa in this cycle to be " Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge,

[wrapping back] Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc " , then we have a leap (Ge->Cp) not mentioned by

Shiva or Parasara. What some people do to avoid it is to NOT wrap back but move

forward to the next dasa cycle corresponding to Aswini 3rd pada. So antardasas

in Li dasa above will be " Li, Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, [moving ahead to the next dasa

cycle of Aswini 3rd pada] Ta, Ar, Pi, Aq " . This ensures that there are no

unsanctioned leaps, but this introduces mahadasa-antardasa pairs not covered by

Shiva. It is also wrong.

 

The idea I had after studying the detailed conversation between Shiva and

Parvati reproduced in that Telugu book (conversation was in Sanskrit verses) was

that antardasas are not obtained by shifting within the dasa cycle as people do

and either wrap back to the beginning or skip to the next cycle, but by treating

the dasa sign as a nakshatra pada and finding antardasas from the dasa cycle

associated with that nakshatra pada! As you go one level down after another, you

keep iterating like that. It is a simple and yet elegant idea, which ensures

that there are no leaps or dasa-antardasa pairs that are not mentioned by Shiva.

It also shows the logical structure behind the dasa cycles associated with

nakshatra padas.

 

Sanjay ji was excited when I presented the idea to him and he exclaimed that I

had cracked it (he tends to jump to big conclusions very quickly). He asked me

to write a paper in our combined names for the upcoming SJC conference in India.

I told him that I still needed to figure out the apasavya nakshatra case, which

was more tricky, but he did not want to wait. I hastily figured out apasavya

nakshatra case also and sent him a paper, but it seems like he changed things

later.

 

Whatever I was doing was within the framework of cycles defined by Parasara. I

deciphered the structure in it and defined antardasas so that they are based on

the same structure and do not use leaps or dasa-antardasa pairs not mentioned by

Shiva. I did NOT change any dasa sequences given by Parasara.

 

On the other hand, Pt Rath seems to have missed the point that dasa sequences

are non-negotiable and only antardasa orders are to be deduced. You can NOT go

against Parasara's clear teachings and hope to be correct!

 

I am very sorry to see that he took my idea, corrupted it to turn it against

Parasara's teachings and ran with it and that some people want to invest their

time on those wrong teachings.

 

* * *

 

But, as a free software programmer, I am willing to ADD his option to JHora (the

current " Rao & Rath " method is based on our joint paper and has no errors. Any

other method will have to be added newly). But I need to see exactly what he

taught.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

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---- R C Srivastava <swami.rcs wrote:

> Dear Narsimha ji,

>

> Divine has always blessed you to do wonderful service.

>

> You are aware of KCD Lecture at London from the mail .

>

> In case you have Time and inclination to offer calculation as Per these

teachings to be a part of Jhora: CD on KCD are available From Bava.

>

> BTW PDF teachings in this CD are dedicated to your good self by Guruji. In

case you offer his methodology The jyotish community will have

>

> an option to try his teachings with free SW.

>

> With regards.

>

> RCS

>

> jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of

Narasimha PVR Rao

> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:38 AM

> jhora ; JyotishWritings ;

vedic astrology ;

> Re: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> KCD calculation in JHora was broken earlier, but I fixed it in a previous

release. But Pt Sanjay Rath complained (see below) that it was still wrong.

>

> I am preparing a JHora 7.4 release now. I wanted to fix Pt Rath's complaint

and checked things. I discovered that JHora 7.33 is fine. If you select the " Rao

& Rath " method of KCD with JHora 7.33, the calculations given by JHora match

what was given in our combined paper.

>

> For Jyeshtha 4th quarter, JHora 7.33 is giving Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, Cn, Ge, Ta

and Ar. That is indeed what the paper gave. That also matches what Parasara

taught in BPHS (chapter 46 verses 77-81).

>

> * * *

>

> > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....

>

> I am not sure why Pt Rath thinks that the sequence should be " Pi-Ar-.... " for

Jyeshtha 4th pada. That is clearly inconsistent with Parasara's teachings as

well as *our own* combined paper.

>

> In case Pt Rath changed the sequences given in our combined paper at the last

minute (I was not there at the conference and he presented our combined paper

alone), I have to point out that it is inconsistent with Parasara's teachings.

>

> * * *

>

> In both the nakshatra pada iteration method as well as other methods, please

select " Rohini 4th pada is Leo navamsa " (instead of " Rohini 4th pada is Cancer

navamsa " ) in Kalachakra dasa options if you want to match the dasa cycles taught

by Parasara.

>

> With that setting, all Kalachakra dasa methods supported in JHora match the

dasa cycles listed by Parasara for various nakshatra padas, except of course the

Raghavacharya method.

>

> Dasa cycles of different nakshatra padas are the same between various methods

and the difference between various methods is essentially in how dasa sesham is

applied and how antardasas are found. Raghavacharya method is the only one that

is philosophically different in the matter of dasa cycles itself.

>

> Raghavacharya method given in JHora takes dasas by taking nine navamsas

starting from the navamsa occupied by Moon (or whatever reference is chosen). It

uses the nine-sign-sequences mapped by Parasara to various nakshatra padas to

actually find the *antardasa cycles* within various dasas.

>

> All other methods given in JHora map nakshatra padas to the fixed sequences

listed by Parasara.

>

> Bottomline: There are no errors in JHora's KCD computation. Please note the

setting mentioned above.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------

> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> Spirituality:

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> -------------------------

>

> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , " Sanjay

Rath " <sanjayrath@> wrote:

> > >

> > > om gurave namah

> > >

> > > Dear Jyotishi

> > >

> > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found to my

amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given in

Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG.

> > >

> > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and don't ask me

questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have checked Jyestha

4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy from

www.vedicsoftware.com

> > >

> > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we use full

cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get Cn-Vi....

> > >

> > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides I used in

London

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > >

> > > PS. I think I am going to hold

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Dear Narasimha,

Namaste,

 

1.

If

Pt Rath took Pi-Ar as the sequence for Jyeshtha 4, his teachings are WRONG.

Period. Parasara is very clear that it should be Sg, Sc, Li, ... for Jyeshtha

4th pada.

 

To the best of my knowledge,

He did not teach as you quote/ assume. Page 11 OF his PDF of London/Serbia says

dasa sequence  same as Parasar   has mentioned.

In fact Rsi Parasar has

quoted “dasa  sequence†, deha and jeeva for all savya and apsayva nakshatra.So

this type of error is unlikely by any scholar.BTW  how you  could get this

information that he taught this sequence for jyeshta 4 th pada ?

 

2.

The

challenge in KCD research is to figure out the details Parasara left ambiguous.

It is not to alter what Parasara laid out clearly. We have enough confusion and

there is no need to ADD NEWER CONFUSIONS.

Yes I agree .Many scholars have

wasted lifetime in cracking the truth .Sorry no name here. Having different

opinion is not adding confusion that’s why KCD tutorial from 2000 are on web

and several options we have now in KCD. Are these not confusions?.

        3. BTW, I could not locate the CD on BAVA website,

even if I were willing to buy the CD and listen.

 

I got it From Clare & Gordon

Brennan 108 Thorpe Bay Essex SS1  3 HB    U.K. Tel 01702 582576.

               

3.

The

whole idea of nakshatra pada iteration was discovered by me from an old Telugu

language book

Yes many of us are aware, and

perhaps whole astrological fraternity knows now, but act of Others does not

reduce the contribution made by you. This information was earlier also was on

web, Why a person of your caliber be obsessed to post again and again it , is

beyond my understanding.

4.

Whatever

I was doing was within the framework of cycles defined by Parasara. I

deciphered the structure in it and defined antardasas so that they are based on

the same structure and do not use leaps or dasa-antardasa pairs not mentioned

by Shiva.

 

Evidently many methods of AD

working are available.  Who can say with certainty which works unless experts

have opined after application. It is difficult because most writing and

researches are justification choosing sizeable example to fit taught

principles  rather than making reliable prediction.

 

5.

 Any

other method will have to be added newly. But I need to see exactly what he

taught.

I respect your opinion. Perhaps

Pdt Rath does not want now his teachings to be outside SJC This may be a

obstacle to astrologers outside. Since I started thread I Cease for I do not

wish to be initiator of controversy.   He has not yet taught AD  so 

calculations of J hora is fine as it is.

With regards

R.C.Srivastava

 

 

 

 

 

jhora [jhora ] On Behalf Of Narasimha

PVR Rao

Wednesday, March 03, 2010 12:46 AM

jhora ; vedic astrology ;

; JyotishWritings

RE: Re: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora

 

 

 

 

 

 

Namaste,

 

> The jyotish community will have an option to try his teachings with free

SW.

 

If Pt Rath took Pi-Ar as the sequence for Jyeshtha 4, his teachings are WRONG.

Period. Parasara is very clear that it should be Sg, Sc, Li, ... for Jyeshtha

4th pada.

 

The challenge in KCD research is to figure out the details Parasara left

ambiguous. It is not to alter what Parasara laid out clearly. We have enough

confusions and there is no need to ADD NEWER CONFUSIONS.

 

* * *

 

I asked Pt Rath in Nov-Dec 2009 if what he taught at BAVA was different from

what was given in our joint paper presented at SJC conference. He did not

respond. I also said I could consider adding his new method to JHora if he (or

someone else) could send me the definition in written form.

 

BTW, I could not locate the CD on BAVA website, even if I were willing to buy

the CD and listen.

 

* * *

 

The whole idea of nakshatra pada iteration was discovered by me from an old

Telugu language book and shared with Sanjay ji when he visited my house in

2004. Parasara defined the dasa cycles for each nakshatra pada unambiguously,

but the matter of antardasas is murky.

 

The problem with existing KCD antardasa schemes is that they result in

dasa-antardasa combinations or antardasa leaps not sanctioned by Lord Shiva,

who taught to Parvati the results of each possible dasa-antardasa pair in savya

and apasavya chakras!

 

For example, dasa cycle of Aswini 2nd pada is " Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc, Li, Vi, Cn,

Le, Ge " . If one takes antardasas in Li dasa in this cycle to be " Li,

Vi, Cn, Le, Ge, [wrapping back] Cp, Aq, Pi, Sc " , then we have a leap

(Ge->Cp) not mentioned by Shiva or Parasara. What some people do to avoid it

is to NOT wrap back but move forward to the next dasa cycle corresponding to

Aswini 3rd pada. So antardasas in Li dasa above will be " Li, Vi, Cn, Le,

Ge, [moving ahead to the next dasa cycle of Aswini 3rd pada] Ta, Ar, Pi,

Aq " . This ensures that there are no unsanctioned leaps, but this

introduces mahadasa-antardasa pairs not covered by Shiva. It is also wrong.

 

The idea I had after studying the detailed conversation between Shiva and

Parvati reproduced in that Telugu book (conversation was in Sanskrit verses)

was that antardasas are not obtained by shifting within the dasa cycle as

people do and either wrap back to the beginning or skip to the next cycle, but

by treating the dasa sign as a nakshatra pada and finding antardasas from the

dasa cycle associated with that nakshatra pada! As you go one level down after

another, you keep iterating like that. It is a simple and yet elegant idea,

which ensures that there are no leaps or dasa-antardasa pairs that are not

mentioned by Shiva. It also shows the logical structure behind the dasa cycles

associated with nakshatra padas.

 

Sanjay ji was excited when I presented the idea to him and he exclaimed that I

had cracked it (he tends to jump to big conclusions very quickly). He asked me

to write a paper in our combined names for the upcoming SJC conference in

India. I told him that I still needed to figure out the apasavya nakshatra

case, which was more tricky, but he did not want to wait. I hastily figured out

apasavya nakshatra case also and sent him a paper, but it seems like he changed

things later.

 

Whatever I was doing was within the framework of cycles defined by Parasara. I

deciphered the structure in it and defined antardasas so that they are based on

the same structure and do not use leaps or dasa-antardasa pairs not mentioned

by Shiva. I did NOT change any dasa sequences given by Parasara.

 

On the other hand, Pt Rath seems to have missed the point that dasa sequences

are non-negotiable and only antardasa orders are to be deduced. You can NOT go

against Parasara's clear teachings and hope to be correct!

 

I am very sorry to see that he took my idea, corrupted it to turn it against

Parasara's teachings and ran with it and that some people want to invest their

time on those wrong teachings.

 

* * *

 

But, as a free software programmer, I am willing to ADD his option to JHora

(the current " Rao & Rath " method is based on our joint paper and

has no errors. Any other method will have to be added newly). But I need to see

exactly what he taught.

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

-------------------------

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" Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri Tarpana:

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Spirituality:

Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

-------------------------

 

---- R C Srivastava <swami.rcs

wrote:

> Dear Narsimha ji,

>

> Divine has always blessed you to do wonderful service.

>

> You are aware of KCD Lecture at London from the mail .

>

> In case you have Time and inclination to offer calculation as Per these

teachings to be a part of Jhora: CD on KCD are available From Bava.

>

> BTW PDF teachings in this CD are dedicated to your good self by Guruji. In

case you offer his methodology The jyotish community will have

>

> an option to try his teachings with free SW.

>

> With regards.

>

> RCS

>

> jhora

[jhora ] On

Behalf Of Narasimha PVR Rao

> Tuesday, March 02, 2010 12:38 AM

> jhora ; JyotishWritings ;

vedic astrology ;

 

> Re: Kalachakra Dasa Calculation in JHora

>

> Namaste friends,

>

> KCD calculation in JHora was broken earlier, but I fixed it in a previous release.

But Pt Sanjay Rath complained (see below) that it was still wrong.

>

> I am preparing a JHora 7.4 release now. I wanted to fix Pt Rath's

complaint and checked things. I discovered that JHora 7.33 is fine. If you

select the " Rao & Rath " method of KCD with JHora 7.33, the

calculations given by JHora match what was given in our combined paper.

>

> For Jyeshtha 4th quarter, JHora 7.33 is giving Sg, Sc, Li, Vi, Le, Cn, Ge,

Ta and Ar. That is indeed what the paper gave. That also matches what Parasara taught

in BPHS (chapter 46 verses 77-81).

>

> * * *

>

> > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....

>

> I am not sure why Pt Rath thinks that the sequence should be

" Pi-Ar-.... " for Jyeshtha 4th pada. That is clearly inconsistent with

Parasara's teachings as well as *our own* combined paper.

>

> In case Pt Rath changed the sequences given in our combined paper at the

last minute (I was not there at the conference and he presented our combined

paper alone), I have to point out that it is inconsistent with Parasara's

teachings.

>

> * * *

>

> In both the nakshatra pada iteration method as well as other methods,

please select " Rohini 4th pada is Leo navamsa " (instead of

" Rohini 4th pada is Cancer navamsa " ) in Kalachakra dasa options if

you want to match the dasa cycles taught by Parasara.

>

> With that setting, all Kalachakra dasa methods supported in JHora match

the dasa cycles listed by Parasara for various nakshatra padas, except of

course the Raghavacharya method.

>

> Dasa cycles of different nakshatra padas are the same between various

methods and the difference between various methods is essentially in how dasa

sesham is applied and how antardasas are found. Raghavacharya method is the

only one that is philosophically different in the matter of dasa cycles itself.

>

> Raghavacharya method given in JHora takes dasas by taking nine navamsas

starting from the navamsa occupied by Moon (or whatever reference is chosen).

It uses the nine-sign-sequences mapped by Parasara to various nakshatra padas

to actually find the *antardasa cycles* within various dasas.

>

> All other methods given in JHora map nakshatra padas to the fixed

sequences listed by Parasara.

>

> Bottomline: There are no errors in JHora's KCD computation. Please note

the setting mentioned above.

>

> Best regards,

> Narasimha

> -------------------------

> Free Jyotish Software, Free Jyotish Lessons, Jyotish Writings,

> " Do It Yourself " ritual manuals for short Homam and Pitri

Tarpana:

> http://www.VedicAstrologer.org

> Films that make a difference: http://SaraswatiFilms.org

> Spirituality:

> Jyotish writings: JyotishWritings

> -------------------------

>

> > sohamsa

<sohamsa%40> , " Sanjay Rath "

<sanjayrath@> wrote:

> > >

> > > om gurave namah

> > >

> > > Dear Jyotishi

> > >

> > > I was studying the Kalachakra dasa for one chart today and found

to my amazement that ALL the SIX methods of Kalachakra dasa calculation given

in Jagannath Hora, including the one called *Rao and Rath* are WRONG.

> > >

> > > Please do not use them and if you do so, it's your risk and

don't ask me questions or help. The correct one is in Shri Jyoti Star. I have

checked Jyestha 4th Pada for this and need to check all others. Get your copy

from www.vedicsoftware.com

> > >

> > > The correct order for this pada should be Pi-Ar-....and if we

use full cycle iteration, then in the particular case I was studying we get

Cn-Vi....

> > >

> > > For more details, please get hold of the Kalachakra paper/slides

I used in London

> > >

> > > Best wishes

> > >

> > > Sanjay Rath

> > >

> > > PS. I think I am going to hold

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