Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........

October 9, 2009

Dear All, As Bhaskar ji puts it - //Also the divisional chart is to be taken for study only as an supplement to the Natal Chart and not as an independent chart or stand alone, as many newcomers may think.// We all are at least coming in consenses on the fact that Divisons SHOULD NOT be treated as an independent chart (as SJC ppl and PVR projects and teaches). So far so good. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Shri Kursija ji,> > One of the professors of BVB in Bombay used to take much pains for his> one hour lecture and used to do his homework before he came to tutor the> class. He gave us few lectures on the divisional charts, taught us how> to prepate them and also showed us the great importance of the same.> Unfortunately I had to leave the classes in between and could not> continue to study the same due to professional commitments and lack of> time, but he did ingrain in us students that this is an important> subject of study with his take on one chart per lecture and discussing> on same. Also the divisional chart is to be taken for study only as an> supplement to the Natal Chart and not as an independent chart or stand> alone, as many newcomers may think.> > Whenever I have time i will come back with whatever little I have learnt> on this.> > regards/Bhaskar.> > > , "S.C. Kursija"> sckursija@ wrote:> >> > Dear Mouji and other respected members of the forum,> > Generally I do not want to comment on any thread. I like to watch and> read the ripples in the ocean and enjoy. But I like to put my opinion on> the divisional chart.> > Why the general astrologer dropped the casting of the divisional chart> except a few ?> > Since the astrology is being taught in the systematic way in schools> and discovery of computer, the study of division chart is getting> momentum,.> > But any one have tried to think in deep that the construction of> divisional chart is correct or not. For example take the dreshkana. The> devata given by the sage Parashar, Narada, Agust and Durvas respectively> fit in the classical method of divisional chart. Take trimshamsha D/30.> the construction only with the five planets leaving the Sun and Moon is> correct? Sun and Moon are lagna, body and mind, Without body and mind> how one can study the native? that too for the character of women.> > I have tried and compare the divisional chart constructing i classical> method and cyclic order. I have find that the divisional chart in cyclic> order give more accurate reflection or the disease and aristha of the> native.> > So please giving any challenge to any one one should work hard and> find the results on number of chart and place in the forum for> discussion.> > I do not wan t to hurt the feeling of any one. I apologize for the> same. but I feel pain while going through the mails, so I have expressed> my feeling> > Love and regards

October 9, 2009

Dear Bhaskar ji, //> Dear Sreenadh ji, You really made me laugh when I first read this mail> when you posted it. Now again I read this slowly and again It made me> laugh. You should write one mail like this daily for our good health. // Ha..Ha.. Thanks. //I also enjoyed your linking of the mythological names to various members, like Satyaki, Narakasura, Vishwamitra and Tripura Sundari. I am still reeling with laughter why> the poor Sunil Nairji got this name Naraka-asura...// Ha..Ha.. Thanks. You should meet Sunil ji once to understand that clearly. Sunil ji is a tireless fierce soul, a pure dravidian who always remembers his good old Kalari and Ayurveda days, and now too learns astrology nadi techniques from some Siddha guru! He is black, big, and very knowledgeable - but no one sentance came through him without being cut into two! Just see him, and and know him better - you will know who our poor and helpful Sunil nair ji is. He is my favorite Ashur! Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji, You really made me laugh when I first read this mail> when you posted it. Now again I read this slowly and again It made me> laugh. You should write one mail like this daily for our good health. > // Bhaskar ji told me that he is ready to play the role of Krishna, but> I told him that he shouldn't because he is married and it should become> hazardous to health. // I think all these conversations are cominag to> you due to working too late at night and lack of sleep. So many times I> have reminded you to go to sleep early. If I was awake and offered the> role of Krishna I would have grabbed it, had you made other arrangements> of the other parephernalia which Krishna had around him. I would not> even have asked for 16000+ wives around me. Just 6 of them would have> sufficed. And I wouldnt have worried or complained even if you had> allowed me to play the role for the next 6 days or more. I would also> not have charged you for playing the role. So re-think about me if you> have the stage set and other matters in place. I am very much young and> eager to play such roles which were deprived to me previously. Do not> worry about my health. I become more stronger when I play games and> adventures and such roles. I also enjoyed your linking of the> mythological names to various members, like Satyaki, Narakasura,> Vishwamitra and Tripura Sundari. I am still reeling with laughter why> the poor Sunil Nairji got this name Naraka-asura.... He is a harmless> soul as long as somebody does not confront him, but after that he really> becomes.... Neelamji already has a great fan following. If she is> called "Tripura Sundari, then what will happen of us poor men. Who will> come to us for guidance ? etcetra some other time... Love and> regards, Bhaskar.>

October 12, 2009

Kursija ji,

Going by your analogy, kindly also think, why in Hora rest of the planets have been left out.

regards,

Mouji--- On Fri, 10/9/09, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote:

S.C. Kursija <sckursijaRe: Re: Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........ Date: Friday, October 9, 2009, 7:06 PM

Dear Mouji and other respected members of the forum,

Generally I do not want to comment on any thread. I like to watch and read the ripples in the ocean and enjoy. But I like to put my opinion on the divisional chart.

Why the general astrologer dropped the casting of the divisional chart except a few ?

Since the astrology is being taught in the systematic way in schools and discovery of computer, the study of division chart is getting momentum,.

But any one have tried to think in deep that the construction of divisional chart is correct or not. For example take the dreshkana. The devata given by the sage Parashar, Narada, Agust and Durvas respectively fit in the classical method of divisional chart. Take trimshamsha D/30. the construction only with the five planets leaving the Sun and Moon is correct? Sun and Moon are lagna, body and mind, Without body and mind how one can study the native? that too for the character of women.

I have tried and compare the divisional chart constructing i classical method and cyclic order. I have find that the divisional chart in cyclic order give more accurate reflection or the disease and aristha of the native.

So please giving any challenge to any one one should work hard and find the results on number of chart and place in the forum for discussion.

I do not wan t to hurt the feeling of any one. I apologize for the same. but I feel pain while going through the mails, so I have expressed my feeling

Love and regards--- On Fri, 10/9/09, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 > wrote:

Manoj Kumar <mouji99 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........ancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, October 9, 2009, 3:09 PM

I am giving below a horoscope. Take it as an exercise Sreenadh ji and decipher it. Let all sena be on one side, this lone warrior is capable of taking on every one together (lighter vein offcourse). This chart belongs to a girl. Another chart I had given and there was no takers for that. Are we here to learn astrology or simply go on talking in circles and circles. Anyway here is the chart:

Lagna : Tula

Sun : Mesha

Moon : Vrishchika

Mars : Mesha

Mercury : Mesha

Jupiter : Kanya

Venus : Mesha

Saturn : Kanya

Rahu : Karka

Ketu : Makara

I am not giving the degrees here as Bhaskar ji, in one of his mails, had opined that he considers only the one as astrologer who can decipher the bare chart with transits. However, if birth data is required, kindly do let me know, I shall be happy to provide it.

regards,

Mouji

"sreesog " <sreesog >ancient_indian_ astrologyFri, October 9, 2009 1:49:38 PM[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........

Dear Vijay Goel ji,

//In this forum Sreenadhji is in the opinion that ancient astrology used varge concept limited to planatery amsa division but not as an independent amsa chart. I also agree with him because it can be rightly used in this way. //

I am happy that at least one individual is here with me. But I know that the whole of Kerala and much of South India also follow this opinion itself - and that is my power.

//Sri Sanjay Rath, Sri K n Rao, Sri (late) Iyer, Sri (late) K. Subbha Rao, Sri (late)C S Patel //

When it is said that all these stalwarts are of a different opinion, and when I know that they don't have much support from the classics and texts like Brihat Jataka, Dasadhyayi, Krishneeya etc - it also gives some kind of false psudo satisfaction as well. I am not among one of them, and won't like to compare myself with any of them, but would love to contribute to astrology as a rare compiler/editer who contributed much to astrology and placed it on the right track and provided ancient rishi horas the reputation they derserve. I am not an inventor but only an editor/organizer - one who organizes and presents the ancient astrological wisdom systematically. One

who is in search of oldest and authentic texts and the history of astrology and allied subjects. I am not and will not be among the best astrologers (there are numerous astrologers far far better than me in Kerala - me, sunil nair ji etc are mere dust compared to them, and they mountains) , but certainly I would certainly be one among the best editors and organisor of ancient astrological wisdom. The above list is of popular astro-writers, force behind some organizations and net popular astrologers rather than of great astrologers. Me too will have to be counted as one of the astro-writers, rather than as a great astrologer. Yes, in this sence I might be counted as one among them, but as far as the path followed is concerned, I will never be one among them. They

are all great individuals, great store house of knowledge - that should be revered; but certainly that does not mean that we should follow them; that does not mean that they cannot commit mistakes; that does not mean that we cannot oppose their opinian in some cases.

If I want to make an Akshouhini, then I will have to place people from our group such as Chandrahari ji (Bheeshma acharya) , Vijayadas pradeep ji (Ekalavya) etc into my side, and will have to find some converts within AIA who will agree with me. You are one of the first among the few I have on my side and - me Duryodhana - I should crown you as the king of Anga (karna). Ha..Ha... Any way our death is certain - with so many on the sother

side. But with Neelam ji (Tripura Sundari), Sunil Nair ji (Narakasura) , and Sreeram Srinivas ji (Viswamitra) on our side this Mahabharata should end in defferent way I hope. Further to help us Manoj Chandran ji (Satyaki) is also on our side. Let the Dronacharyas, Aswathamas and Arjunas, Sakunis, Sisupalas and all the allied forces of the near by kingdoms allign against us - our fort is so strong that we will win I believe. Krishna already told me that he would switch side this time, since arjuna was not able to save his wives. Bhaskar ji told me that he is ready to

play the role of Krishna, but I told him that he shouldn't because he is married and it should become hazardous to health.

Any way the point is - Two roads diverged in an wood, and I took the one less travelled by (at least from north indian perspective) in astrology and that has made all the difference. Ha..Ha.. Let them be in their path, and let us follow ours - or better, then one we feel as correct.

Note 1: Ofcourse I know that there is no north indian/south indian divide for astrology as a subject; but ofcourse those words are sometimes useful to convey the idea in minimum words. Note 2: Please take the above mail in a lighter vain... the truth is there is no fight at all...but only the joy of study.

Love and regards,Sreenadh

-

vijay.goel

10/09/09 01:00 pm

ancient_indian_ astrology

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........

Deal All, Shri K N Rao is using divisional charts and he had displayed it uses in our study classes once. I never give my reading without using divisional charts from a long time. Normally based on past events i had many times done Lagna Suddi, which proved right at later stage. I had many failures also. Sri Sanjay Rath had given exhaustive material on divisional chart and the process for BTR (birth time rectification) . His ardent student Vistiji specifically used Navamsha and Dwadamsha chart for erecting a horoscope from Prashna chart who had lost their complete birth details in his audios. Sri Sanjay Rath has shown the proper methology as per Nastha Jatakam and are from authentic classical sources. Four persons, Sri Sanjay Rath, Sri K n Rao, Sri (late) Iyer, Sri (late) K. Subbha Rao has explained many secrets of divisional charts in their own way. Sri (late)C S Patel is institution in himself

for giving the uses of Navamsha Chart from nadis. In this forum Sreenadhji is in the opinion that ancient astrology used varge concept limited to planatery amsa division but not as an independent amsa chart. I also agree with him because it can be rightly used in this way. We can see that KP astrologer are using this basic methology in their system. They just find the amsa of planet named as sub lord by mapping the division based on Vimsottari dasa lords (Time cycle Division). We can erect a divisional chart in name of KP chart of sublords just for an example. In short all system are using divisional concept of signs for more accuracy in their own way by giving different nomenclature. Thanks, Best Wishes, Vijay Goel Jaipur.

October 12, 2009

Dear Manoj ji, Even in Horamsa (D-2) no planet is left out. Just remember the Parasara quote - "Parivritti dwayam tesham meshado kremaso bhavet" (2 cycles from Aries onwards - through all signs - provides us sith Horamsaka signs/lords) If you are not satisfied with the above words of Parasara, then there is a saravali quote with means the same; further Krishneeyam also has the same opinion. In the Dwadasa varga (12 important multipls/divisions) system, Horamsa is found by multiplying the longitude with 2 and expunging the multipls of 360 deg. All the signs and planets have lordship over all the 12 major vargas - This is well evident from one Saravali quote; and this itself is the base for argument in favor of harmonics. The system that considers Sun (Oja) and Moon (Ugma) only as Adhipas is Horadhipa used in the "Shad vargadhipa system" - that is usually used only to assertain the strength of planets. In "Shadvargadhipa system" only Sun (Oja) and Moon(Ugma) are considered because there are only two types of Signs - Oja (Male) and Ugma (Female).Love and regards,Sreenadh , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:>> Kursija ji,> ï¿½> Going by your analogy, kindly also think, why in Hora rest of the planets have been left out.> ï¿½> regards,> ï¿½> Mouji> > --- On Fri, 10/9/09, S.C. Kursija sckursija wrote:> > > S.C. Kursija sckursija Re: Re: Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........> > Friday, October 9, 2009, 7:06 PM> > Dear Mouji and other respected members of the forum,> Generally I do not want to comment on any thread. I like to watch and read the ripples in the ocean and enjoy. But I like to put my opinion on the divisional chart.> Why the general astrologer dropped the casting of the divisional chart except a fewï¿½ ?> Since the astrology is being taught in the systematic way in schools and discovery of computer, the study of division chart is getting momentum,.> But any one have tried to think in deep that the construction of divisional chart is correct or not. For example take the dreshkana. The devata given by the sage Parashar, Narada, Agust and Durvas respectively fit in the classical method of divisional chart. Take trimshamsha D/30. the construction only with the five planets leaving the Sun and Moon is correct? Sun and Moon are lagna, body and mind, Without body and mind how one can study the native? that too for the character of women.> I have tried and compare the divisional chart constructing i classical method and cyclic order. I have find that the divisional chart in cyclic order give more accurate reflection or the disease and aristha of the native.> So please giving any challenge to any one one should work hard and find the results on number of chart and place in the forum for discussion.> I do not wan t to hurt the feeling of any one. I apologize for the same. but I feel pain while going through the mails, so I have expressed my feeling> Love and regards

October 12, 2009

Dear Sreenadh ji,

I had posed the question as Dr. Kursija had said, why Sun and Moon have not been accorded lordship in Trimshamsha. So I had asked him, why rest of the planets have not been given lordship in Hora. This is a basic thing that all planets do figure in all divisional charts, whether it is Trimshamsha or Hora. So I think, you misunderstood the statement of mine a bit.

best wishes,

Mouji--- On Mon, 10/12/09, sreesog <sreesog wrote:

sreesog <sreesog Re: Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........ Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 11:55 AM

Dear Manoj ji, Even in Horamsa (D-2) no planet is left out. Just remember the Parasara quote - "Parivritti dwayam tesham meshado kremaso bhavet" (2 cycles from Aries onwards - through all signs - provides us sith Horamsaka signs/lords) If you are not satisfied with the above words of Parasara, then there is a saravali quote with means the same; further Krishneeyam also has the same opinion. In the Dwadasa varga (12 important multipls/divisions) system, Horamsa is found by multiplying the longitude with 2 and expunging the multipls of 360 deg. All the signs and planets have lordship over all the 12 major vargas - This is well evident from one Saravali quote; and this itself is the base for

argument in favor of harmonics. The system that considers Sun (Oja) and Moon (Ugma) only as Adhipas is Horadhipa used in the "Shad vargadhipa system" - that is usually used only to assertain the strength of planets. In "Shadvargadhipa system" only Sun (Oja) and Moon(Ugma) are considered because there are only two types of Signs - Oja (Male) and Ugma (Female).Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:>> Kursija ji,> ï¿½> Going by your analogy, kindly also think, why in Hora rest of the planets have been left out.> ï¿½> regards,> ï¿½> Mouji> > --- On Fri, 10/9/09, S.C. Kursija sckursija@.. . wrote:> > > S.C. Kursija sckursija@.. .> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as

advised to us ........> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, October 9, 2009, 7:06 PM> > Dear Mouji and other respected members of the forum,> Generally I do not want to comment on any thread. I like to watch and read the ripples in the ocean and enjoy. But I like to put my opinion on the divisional chart.> Why the general astrologer dropped the casting of the divisional chart except a fewï¿½ ?> Since the astrology is being taught in the systematic way in schools and discovery of computer, the study of division chart is getting momentum,.> But any one have tried to think in deep that the construction of divisional chart is correct or not. For example take the dreshkana. The devata given by the sage Parashar, Narada, Agust and Durvas respectively fit in the classical method of divisional chart. Take trimshamsha D/30. the construction only with the five planets leaving

the Sun and Moon is correct? Sun and Moon are lagna, body and mind, Without body and mind how one can study the native? that too for the character of women.> I have tried and compare the divisional chart constructing i classical method and cyclic order. I have find that the divisional chart in cyclic order give more accurate reflection or the disease and aristha of the native.> So please giving any challenge to any one one should work hard and find the results on number of chart and place in the forum for discussion.> I do not wan t to hurt the feeling of any one. I apologize for the same. but I feel pain while going through the mails, so I have expressed my feeling> Love and regards

October 12, 2009

Dear Manoj ji, Sorry for misunderstanding the context. I will listen to your conversation. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> ï¿½> I had posed the question as Dr. Kursija had said, why Sun and Moon have not been accorded lordship in Trimshamsha. So I had asked him, why rest of the planets have not been given lordship in Hora. This is a basic thing that all planets do figure in all divisional charts, whether it is Trimshamsha or Hora. So I think, you misunderstood the statement of mine a bit. > ï¿½> best wishes,> ï¿½> Mouji> > --- On Mon, 10/12/09, sreesog sreesog wrote:> > > sreesog sreesog Re: Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........> > Monday, October 12, 2009, 11:55 AM> > > ï¿½ > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > ï¿½ Even in Horamsa (D-2) no planet is left out. > ï¿½ Just remember the Parasara quote - "Parivritti dwayam tesham meshado kremaso bhavet" (2 cycles from Aries onwards - through all signs - provides us sith Horamsaka signs/lords) > ï¿½ If you are not satisfied with the above words of Parasara, then there is a saravali quote with means the same; further Krishneeyam also has the same opinion. > ï¿½ In the Dwadasa varga (12 important multipls/divisions) system, Horamsa is found by multiplying the longitude with 2 and expunging the multipls of 360 deg.ï¿½ > ï¿½ All the signs and planets have lordship over all the 12 major vargas - This is well evident from one Saravali quote; and this itself is the base for argument in favor of harmonics. > ï¿½ > ï¿½ The system that considers Sun (Oja) and Moon (Ugma) only as Adhipas is Horadhipa used in the "Shad vargadhipa system" - that is usually used only toï¿½ assertain the strength of planets. In "Shadvargadhipa system" only Sun (Oja) and Moon(Ugma) are considered because there are only two types of Signs - Oja (Male) and Ugma (Female).> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Kumar mouji99@ wrote:> >> > Kursija ji,> > ï¿½> > Going by your analogy, kindly also think, why in Hora rest of the planets have been left out.> > ï¿½> > regards,> > ï¿½> > Mouji> > > > --- On Fri, 10/9/09, S.C. Kursija sckursija@ . wrote:> > > > > > S.C. Kursija sckursija@ .> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Friday, October 9, 2009, 7:06 PM> > > > Dear Mouji and other respected members of the forum,> > Generally I do not want to comment on any thread. I like to watch and read the ripples in the ocean and enjoy. But I like to put my opinion on the divisional chart.> > Why the general astrologer dropped the casting of the divisional chart except a fewï¿½ ?> > Since the astrology is being taught in the systematic way in schools and discovery of computer, the study of division chart is getting momentum,.> > But any one have tried to think in deep that the construction of divisional chart is correct or not. For example take the dreshkana. The devata given by the sage Parashar, Narada, Agust and Durvas respectively fit in the classical method of divisional chart. Take trimshamsha D/30. the construction only with the five planets leaving the Sun and Moon is correct? Sun and Moon are lagna, body and mind, Without body and mind how one can study the native? that too for the character of women.> > I have tried and compare the divisional chart constructing i classical method and cyclic order. I have find that the divisional chart in cyclic order give more accurate reflection or the disease and aristha of the native.> > So please giving any challenge to any one one should work hard and find the results on number of chart and place in the forum for discussion.> > I do not wan t to hurt the feeling of any one. I apologize for the same. but I feel pain while going through the mails, so I have expressed my feeling> > Love and regards>

October 12, 2009

Dear Manoj Kumar,

I thanks Sh.Sreenad for giving quote. I have just submitted my opinion for the divisional varga chart on which I have worked in my medical practice, and is of firm opinion that the construction of the varga chart should be on cyclic manner. More over the rashi char is the basis on which other varga charts are standing. I do not analyse the varga chart indepently and see any yoga or aspect in the varga chart.

Please do not think that the astrology begins and ends with your knowledge or the knowledge of your guru. We are thankful Twp Sh.NR, Sh. Lanthanum and Dr.BR and other eminent astrologers who have contributed for the development of astrology. You are also contributing for the development of the astrology, but do not think that what you write is final. No one should oppose your idea/ opinion.

Love and regards

--- On Mon, 10/12/09, Manoj Kumar <mouji99 wrote:

Manoj Kumar <mouji99Re: Re: Divisional Charts - the prerequisites as advised to us ........ Date: Monday, October 12, 2009, 11:39 AM