8th lord in 8H (Example)

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Dear Vijay,

A nice chart. But do not blame the 8th lord in the 8th. If we look at the Bhava

chalit chart, Rahu is in lagna and in the detrimental orb. Moon is 10th lord,

but 8th lord in navamsha. Rahu and Moon are the real culprit. In transit Jupiter

the 6th lord is in 4th in retrograde motion and 8th from natal Jupiter. The

relation between father and son will not be cordial. Saturn in 11th Leo

aspecting 8th. Mars and Jupiter are malefic for the lagna. So i feel that all

these forces acted combinedly to throw him out of the business.

Regards

--- On Fri, 8/7/09, Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote:

 

> Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_mrutyunjay

> Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

>

> Friday, August 7, 2009, 11:16 AM

> Dear friend,

>

> A classic example

>

>

> where 8th lord in 8th house

>

>

> is close to the cusp.

>

> Additionally fulfilling the

>

> condition of

>

> being placed in 12th from Arudha Lagna taking Mahadasa lord

> Rahu as the lagna lord.

>

> Regards,

>

> Mrutyunjay Tripathy

>

> ,

> " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj wrote:

> >

> > Dear All,

> >

> > One more example today i had discussion with the

> native's relative.:

> >

> > Date:          July 12, 1977

> > Time:          13:36:00

> > Time Zone:     5:30:00 (East of

> GMT)

> > Place:         75 E 49'

> 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 "

> >               

> Jaipur, India

> > Ayanamsa:      23-32-35.33

> >

> > Tula Lagna with venus in 8th house with host of

> planets.

> >

> > This native was thrown out from house especially

> family business by his parents mainly with father in the

> current dasa of

> >

> > Vimsottari Dasa:

> >

> >  Rah MD:  1993-03-07  - 

> 2011-03-07

> >   Moon AD:  2008-08-18 

> -  2010-02-17

> >

> >

> > Thanks

> > Regards,

> > Vijay Goel

> > Jaipur.

> >

> > 

> >

> >

> > ,

> " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > More examples of my clients having 8th lord in

> 8th house.

> > >

> > > Date:          August

> 16, 1977

> > > Time:          18:35:00

> > > Time Zone:     5:30:00 (East

> of GMT)

> > > Place:         76 E

> 56' 00 " , 15 N 30' 00 "

> > >

> > > This person is in foreign country.

> > > Makar Lagna, sun in 8th house with mercury (9L)

> & moon.

> > > Recently his father died in Mars\mercury

> antardasa.

> > > -----------------

> > > Date:          December

> 16, 1975

> > > Time:          13:43:00

> > > Time Zone:     5:30:00 (East

> of GMT)

> > > Place:         76 E

> 36' 00 " , 28 N 15' 00 "

> > >

> > > Meena Lagna with venus in 8th house with rahu.

> > >

> > > A Guiness book record horder and many limca book

> record holder.

> > > This person has very good artistic abilities.

> > >

> > > Now Rahu\venus is running and his name and fame

> is increasing many fold day by day.

> > > --------------

> > > Date:          June 22,

> 1979

> > > Time:          16:50:08

> > > Time Zone:     5:30:00 (East

> of GMT)

> > > Place:         74 E

> 30' 00 " , 26 N 06' 00 "

> > >   

> > > Scorpio Lagna, mercury in 8th house with sun.

> > >

> > > This person is too much disturbed in job, his

> father met the fatal accident in Rahu\rahu, after that he

> has to face all responsibilities.

> > >

> > > -------------

> > >

> > > Thanking you,

> > > Regards,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > > Jaipur.

> > >

> > > ,

> Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear All,

> > > >

> > > > Here is a good example chart of the double

> edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance). This

> is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember

> the source.

> > > >

> > > > Natal Chart

> > > > Date:          May 8, 1954

> > > > Time:          19:40:00

> > > > Time Zone:     5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > Place:         87 W 39' 00 " , 41 N

> 51' 00 "

> > > >                Chicago,

> Illinois, USA

> > > > Altitude:      596.00 meters

> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo:   Jaya - Vaisakha

> > > > Tithi:         Sukla Sapthami (Sa)

> (21.67% left)

> > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> > > > Nakshatra:     Pushyami (Sa) (4.66%

> left)

> > > > Sunrise:       5:43:28

> > > > Sunset:        19:51:13

> > > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36

> > > >

> > > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady.

> She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon

> (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father

> died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance), and she did

> not have to work a single day in her life again. Also

> interestingly her work before this fortune was as a

> therapist, another 8H profession.

> > > >

> > > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully

> others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo

> is 10L in 10H.  Clearly the current discussion of 8H

> being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is

> significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd

> from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th,

> the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th

> helped her gain from it.

> > > >

> > > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord)

> in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra,

> placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra

> and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who

> also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in

> D-9.

> > > >

> > > > If at all we need other varga charts,  in

> D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!

> > > >

> > > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting

> Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha &  Antar dasha lord

> from the 2H.  Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is

> the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.

> > > >

> > > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position

> in Libra.

> > > >  

> > > > Regards,

> > > >  -Manoj

> > > >  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@>

> > > >

> > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM

> > > > Re:

> Results for 8th lord placed in lagna

> > > >

> > > >  

> > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,

> > > >    In that case the results will

> drastically differ, and would be mainly positive.  Both in

> the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then

> the prime consideration is that " Lagna lord is placed in

> lagna " , and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna.  The

> results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and

> the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does

> not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house

> gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa

> will give mainly good results as indicated by " lagna lord in

> lagna " and the second half of the dasa will be not that good

> but effort demanding period as indicated by " 8th lord in

> lagna in own house " .  Please note that in both the above

> case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that

> should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and

> the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - " since

> 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana) " .

> > > >    The same rule applies everywhere - i.e.

> the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit

> the particular chart and situation you are trying to

> interpret.  General rules are general and not intended to

> be applicable everywhere as is.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> . com, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

> <balsu46@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > > > >

> > > > >            Pranams.  If the

> 8th lord owns the lagna as well,  as in the case of Mesha

> lagna and Thula Lagna ,  where the the 8th lords Mars and

> Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this

> placement would make any difference in the predictions you

> have given.  Kindly advise me if I am wrong.

> > > > >

> > > > > with regards,

> > > > > S.R.Balasubramaniam

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Manoj Chandran Ji,

 

Thank you very much for taking so much trouble to search for

this link.  I appreciate your hard work.

 

I still am not satisfied and I shall also give you the reason

for my findings and will leave it at that.

 

I am going to print the points for both the charts.  Death of father is 4th house matter

i.e. 8th from 9th and Inheritance is 8th house

matter i.e. 12th from 9th. 

 

Death and Getting inheritance means the power of both these

house must be powerful.  Now 10th

from 4th and 6th from 8th is Lagna. 

 

These points that I am giving

 

These are the power with Libra

Lagna

 

 

 

 

Hse

 

 

SAV

 

 

Su

 

 

Mo

 

 

Ma

 

 

Me

 

 

Ju

 

 

Ve

 

 

Sa

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

29

 

 

6

 

 

16

 

 

4

 

 

12

 

 

17

 

 

17

 

 

8

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

22

 

 

20

 

 

5

 

 

14

 

 

7

 

 

14

 

 

8

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

31

 

 

9

 

 

7

 

 

0

 

 

18

 

 

9

 

 

19

 

 

-15

 

 

 

 

4

 

 

34

 

 

7

 

 

9

 

 

0

 

 

23

 

 

14

 

 

20

 

 

14

 

 

 

 

5

 

 

30

 

 

10

 

 

18

 

 

15

 

 

11

 

 

10

 

 

16

 

 

-3

 

 

 

 

6

 

 

30

 

 

17

 

 

6

 

 

6

 

 

8

 

 

20

 

 

11

 

 

6

 

 

 

 

7

 

 

26

 

 

13

 

 

12

 

 

3

 

 

19

 

 

11

 

 

7

 

 

15

 

 

 

 

8

 

 

26

 

 

12

 

 

12

 

 

6

 

 

14

 

 

8

 

 

17

 

 

21

 

 

 

 

9

 

 

24

 

 

3

 

 

7

 

 

16

 

 

9

 

 

21

 

 

13

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

10

 

 

25

 

 

16

 

 

7

 

 

11

 

 

5

 

 

18

 

 

10

 

 

0

 

 

 

 

11

 

 

32

 

 

12

 

 

13

 

 

7

 

 

17

 

 

10

 

 

24

 

 

15

 

 

 

 

12

 

 

28

 

 

14

 

 

15

 

 

5

 

 

19

 

 

16

 

 

9

 

 

15

 

 

 

 

Scorpio Lagna

 

 

 

 

Hse

 

 

SAV

 

 

Su

 

 

Mo

 

 

Ma

 

 

Me

 

 

Ju

 

 

Ve

 

 

Sa

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

24

 

 

20

 

 

14

 

 

24

 

 

17

 

 

18

 

 

14

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

29

 

 

13

 

 

16

 

 

14

 

 

19

 

 

20

 

 

15

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

34

 

 

12

 

 

20

 

 

11

 

 

21

 

 

14

 

 

18

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

4

 

 

33

 

 

11

 

 

24

 

 

21

 

 

14

 

 

20

 

 

17

 

 

-2

 

 

 

 

5

 

 

26

 

 

16

 

 

9

 

 

8

 

 

5

 

 

19

 

 

12

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

6

 

 

31

 

 

14

 

 

18

 

 

10

 

 

20

 

 

16

 

 

11

 

 

17

 

 

 

 

7

 

 

25

 

 

11

 

 

12

 

 

11

 

 

15

 

 

16

 

 

17

 

 

16

 

 

 

 

8

 

 

24

 

 

8

 

 

23

 

 

21

 

 

8

 

 

23

 

 

12

 

 

-4

 

 

 

 

9

 

 

21

 

 

17

 

 

16

 

 

16

 

 

15

 

 

23

 

 

16

 

 

0

 

 

 

 

10

 

 

31

 

 

10

 

 

11

 

 

10

 

 

17

 

 

16

 

 

19

 

 

13

 

 

 

 

11

 

 

34

 

 

15

 

 

28

 

 

13

 

 

20

 

 

21

 

 

10

 

 

17

 

 

 

 

12

 

 

25

 

 

7

 

 

16

 

 

8

 

 

6

 

 

17

 

 

15

 

 

2

 

 

 

 

 

As you can see, these numbers cannot be manipulated. 

 

I shall leave this to the users to figure out what lagna

suits better.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Manoj Chandran

Friday August 7, 2009 3:38

AM

To:

 

Re:

Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash Ji,

 

 

 

 

 

Finally after two

hours of searching, I found the original article I had taken my notes

from. Now I remember I had read it in the AVCA magazine. Here it is. If

you read through the article you will find that the chart I posted is one of

the charts he talks about.

 

 

 

 

 

This article has other charts

on positive effects of 8th house for those who are interested.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.lightonVedic Astrology.com/articles-gifts.htm

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Ash's Corner " <kas

 

Thursday, August 6, 2009

2:00:46 PM

RE:

Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji,

 

I have read books where in the birth time was “so called rectifiedâ€

to match the system one was using.

 

If this satisfies and justifies the members then that is fine.

 

However, to me, this birth time is inaccurate. If the fathers

death is in 1983 i.e Moon antra then that is not

matching. If say we get 10 events and 9 of them match except fathers

death then we can say that the birth time is in line.

 

With Sco lagna, death of father is in

antra of Mars (1st lord), 10th from 4th and at

same time 1st house is 6th from 8th. MD

is that of Venus who is Karak for 5th and placed in 7th

house in Taurus which is also mool karak sthan for 5th.

 

Even the antra before that (depending on the exact time).

 

Mars was in about August transiting over 8th house where

Shani has got 0 power, so after August she might have received the inheritance

once Ma got into 9th house.

 

With Libra lagna, both the events are not falling in line atleast

as per my calculation.

 

Dear Manoj ji, I had to write the above,

otherwise I would not be doing justice to my own conscience. If as per

yours and even if for others calculation if Libra lagna matches then its

good. But I cannot agree with Libra being lagna based on 2 events, yes if

there were more events, and all in line with libra

lagna then I could agree, but in the absence of any further event and u

personally not knowing the lady, I will disagree with the birth time given.

 

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

ancient_indian_

astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology @.

com] On Behalf Of Manoj Chandran

Thursday August 6, 2009 4:26

PM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash Ji,

 

 

 

 

 

I am sorry I am

not able to give any more details. If I remember correctly I got it from some

astrological magazine or conference. I had only written down the details

of birth and also specific instruction that 1 hr day light savings time should

be applied and specifically Time zone of 5:00 West of GMT. The only details it

talked about was the inheritance and that she was a therapist.

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Ash's

Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca " <kas

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Thursday, August 6, 2009

12:58:05 PM

RE: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji,

 

Death of father does not match with Libra lagna, however it does

match with Scorpio lagna.

 

To confirm the birth chart, please give more events if

possible.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.

ca

 

 

 

 

ancient_indian_

astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology @.

com] On Behalf Of Manoj Chandran

Thursday August 6, 2009 1:26

AM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

 

 

Please read the

particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB,

POB.

 

 

 

 

 

If you are using

JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually

change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna,

else you will get Scorpio Lagna.

 

 

 

 

 

Natal Chart

 

 

May 8, 1954

Time: 19:40:00

Time

Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 87 W

39' 00 " , 41 N 51' 00 "

Chicago, Illinois, USA

Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa)

(21.67% left)

Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)

 

 

Sunrise:

5:43:28

Sunset: 19:51:13

Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15

Sidereal Time: 9:54:36

 

 

 

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

renunw

<renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Wednesday, August 5, 2009

8:37:33 PM

[ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

 

 

Dear

Manoj ji,

 

A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19

40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40

in Chicago

8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the

8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my

note book, but dont remember the source.

>

> Natal Chart

> May 8, 1954

> Time: 19:40:00

> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> Place: 87 W 39' 00 " ,

41 N 51' 00 "

>

Chicago, Illinois, USA

> Altitude: 596.00 meters

> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha

> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa)

(21.67% left)

> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)

> Sunrise: 5:43:28

> Sunset: 19:51:13

> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36

>

> This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle

class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over

night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did

not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work

before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.

>

> I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more

detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the

current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the

9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun

(Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her

father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.

>

> From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L

Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is

in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also

happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.

>

> If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the

8H !!!

>

> Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting

Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H

of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.

>

> Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Sreenadh <sreesog >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in

lagna

>

>

> Dear Balasubramaniam ji,

> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would

be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is

in lagna then the prime consideration is that " Lagna lord is placed in

lagna " , and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would

be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate

amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th

house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give

mainly good results as indicated by " lagna lord in lagna " and the

second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as

indicated by " 8th lord in lagna in own house " . Please note that

in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that

should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results

of 8th house becomes strong - " since 8th lord is placed in its own house

(in lagana) " .

> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and

derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you

are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be

applicable everywhere as is.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam

Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> >

Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of

Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are

posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference

in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.

> >

> > with regards,

> > S.R..Balasubramania m

>

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Cheers !!!

Ash

 

Scorpio Lagna

 

 

 

 

Hse

 

 

SAV

 

 

Su

 

 

Mo

 

 

Ma

 

 

Me

 

 

Ju

 

 

Ve

 

 

Sa

 

 

 

 

1

 

 

24

 

 

20

 

 

14

 

 

24

 

 

17

 

 

18

 

 

14

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

2

 

 

29

 

 

13

 

 

16

 

 

14

 

 

19

 

 

20

 

 

15

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

3

 

 

34

 

 

12

 

 

20

 

 

11

 

 

21

 

 

14

 

 

18

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

4

 

 

33

 

 

11

 

 

24

 

 

21

 

 

14

 

 

20

 

 

17

 

 

-2

 

 

 

 

5

 

 

26

 

 

16

 

 

9

 

 

8

 

 

5

 

 

19

 

 

12

 

 

3

 

 

 

 

6

 

 

31

 

 

14

 

 

18

 

 

10

 

 

20

 

 

16

 

 

11

 

 

17

 

 

 

 

7

 

 

25

 

 

11

 

 

12

 

 

11

 

 

15

 

 

16

 

 

17

 

 

16

 

 

 

 

8

 

 

24

 

 

8

 

 

23

 

 

21

 

 

8

 

 

23

 

 

12

 

 

-4

 

 

 

 

9

 

 

21

 

 

17

 

 

16

 

 

16

 

 

15

 

 

23

 

 

16

 

 

0

 

 

 

 

10

 

 

31

 

 

10

 

 

11

 

 

10

 

 

17

 

 

16

 

 

19

 

 

13

 

 

 

 

11

 

 

34

 

 

15

 

 

28

 

 

13

 

 

20

 

 

21

 

 

10

 

 

17

 

 

 

 

12

 

 

25

 

 

7

 

 

16

 

 

8

 

 

6

 

 

17

 

 

15

 

 

2

 

 

 

 

 

As you can see, these numbers cannot be manipulated. 

 

I shall leave this to the users to figure out what lagna

suits better.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Manoj Chandran

Friday August 7, 2009 3:38

AM

To:

 

Re:

Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash Ji,

 

 

 

 

 

Finally after two

hours of searching, I found the original article I had taken my notes

from. Now I remember I had read it in the AVCA magazine. Here it is. If

you read through the article you will find that the chart I posted is one of

the charts he talks about.

 

 

 

 

 

This article has other charts

on positive effects of 8th house for those who are interested.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.lightonVedic Astrology.com/articles-gifts.htm

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Ash's Corner " <kas

To:

 

Thursday, August 6, 2009

2:00:46 PM

RE:

Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji,

 

I have read books where in the birth time was “so called rectifiedâ€

to match the system one was using.

 

If this satisfies and justifies the members then that is fine.

 

However, to me, this birth time is inaccurate. If the fathers

death is in 1983 i.e Moon antra then that is not matching. If say we get

10 events and 9 of them match except fathers death then we can say that the

birth time is in line.

 

With Sco lagna, death of father is in antra of Mars (1st

lord), 10th from 4th and at same time 1st

house is 6th from 8th. MD is that of Venus who is

Karak for 5th and placed in 7th house in Taurus which is

also mool karak sthan for 5th.

 

Even the antra before that (depending on the exact time).

 

Mars was in about August transiting over 8th house where

Shani has got 0 power, so after August she might have received the inheritance

once Ma got into 9th house.

 

With Libra lagna, both the events are not falling in line atleast

as per my calculation.

 

Dear Manoj ji, I had to write the above, otherwise I would not be

doing justice to my own conscience. If as per yours and even if for

others calculation if Libra lagna matches then its good. But I cannot

agree with Libra being lagna based on 2 events, yes if there were more events,

and all in line with libra lagna then I could agree, but in the absence of any

further event and u personally not knowing the lady, I will disagree with the

birth time given.

 

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

ancient_indian_

astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology @.

com] On Behalf Of Manoj Chandran

Thursday August 6, 2009 4:26

PM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash Ji,

 

 

 

 

 

I am sorry I am

not able to give any more details. If I remember correctly I got it from some

astrological magazine or conference. I had only written down the details

of birth and also specific instruction that 1 hr day light savings time should

be applied and specifically Time zone of 5:00 West of GMT. The only details it

talked about was the inheritance and that she was a therapist.

 

 

 

 

 

Regards,

 

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

" Ash's

Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca " <kas

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Thursday, August 6, 2009

12:58:05 PM

RE: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

 

 

 

Dear Manoj ji,

 

Death of father does not match with Libra lagna, however it does

match with Scorpio lagna.

 

To confirm the birth chart, please give more events if

possible.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.

ca

 

 

 

 

ancient_indian_

astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology @.

com] On Behalf Of Manoj Chandran

Thursday August 6, 2009 1:26

AM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Re: [ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

 

 

 

 

 

Please read the

particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB,

POB.

 

 

 

 

 

If you are using

JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually

change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna,

else you will get Scorpio Lagna.

 

 

 

 

 

Natal Chart

 

 

May 8, 1954

Time: 19:40:00

Time

Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

Place: 87 W

39' 00 " , 41 N 51' 00 "

Chicago, Illinois, USA

Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa)

(21.67% left)

Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)

 

 

Sunrise:

5:43:28

Sunset: 19:51:13

Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15

Sidereal Time: 9:54:36

 

 

 

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

renunw

<renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

Wednesday, August 5, 2009

8:37:33 PM

[ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

 

 

Dear

Manoj ji,

 

A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19

40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40

in Chicago

8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.

 

blessings,

 

Renu

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the

8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my

note book, but dont remember the source.

>

> Natal Chart

> May 8, 1954

> Time: 19:40:00

> Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> Place: 87 W 39' 00 " ,

41 N 51' 00 "

>

Chicago, Illinois, USA

> Altitude: 596.00 meters

> Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha

> Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa)

(21.67% left)

> Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)

> Sunrise: 5:43:28

> Sunset: 19:51:13

> Sidereal Time: 9:54:36

>

> This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle

class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over

night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did

not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work

before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.

>

> I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more

detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current

discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is

significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for

father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life

but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.

>

> From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L

Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is

in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also

happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.

>

> If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the

8H !!!

>

> Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting

Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H

of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.

>

> Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

>

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Sreenadh <sreesog >

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna

>

>

> Dear Balasubramaniam ji,

> In that case the results will drastically differ, and would

be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is

in lagna then the prime consideration is that " Lagna lord is placed in

lagna " , and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would

be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate

amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th

house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give

mainly good results as indicated by " lagna lord in lagna " and the

second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as

indicated by " 8th lord in lagna in own house " . Please note that

in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that

should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results

of 8th house becomes strong - " since 8th lord is placed in its own house

(in lagana) " .

> The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and

derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you

are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be

applicable everywhere as is.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam

Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> >

Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of

Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are

posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any

difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am

wrong.

> >

> > with regards,

> > S.R..Balasubramania m

>

[Guest guest]

Respected Sunil g,

 

Well another data is 19 Oct 1954 10.05.am, Lon:77E13'00 Lat:28N40'00 Time Zone is -5:30:00 , his ketu gave his best of the very best time of his life till now , Thanks Mohit--- On Fri, 8/7/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 5:17 AM

Dear Mohit Ji U can post the other chart along with ur comments rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Sunil ji n Gurujans> > Well will be waiting inspite of Rahu in 8th house gave better result then should be aspected , well after finishing this chart i have another chart of my chacha whoes Ketu in 8 th house gave him extra ordinary results, Thanks Mohit> > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> ancient_indian_

astrology> Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:34 PM> > > > > > > > Dear Mohit ji > > Then how it will b applicable in tread being discussed > > any way thanks for giving a chart and results of rahu dasa > > rgrds sunil nair > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> >> > Respected Sunil g ,> > > > Yes it is Libra lagna Long:78E02"00, Lat:30N19" 00 Time zone:-5:30:00> > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@

....> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:35 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Virmani ji > > > > i am getting Libra lagna and rahu in 7th House aries > > > > am i missing some thing here ? also pls giv us the co ordinates of the place Dehradune too > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Gurujans,> > > > > >

Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun> > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:40 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,>

> > > > > Correct planetary positions should look like this:> > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > > Lagna 22 Li 28' 15.04" Visa 1 Li Ar> > > Sun - AmK 24 Ar 38' 46.21" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > Moon - MK 16 Cn 02' 45.40" Push 4 Cn Sc> > > Mars - PiK 14 Sg 04' 38.63"

PSha 1 Sg Le> > > Mercury - AK 24 Ar 44' 18.29" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > Jupiter - DK 3 Ge 37' 23.23" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> > > Venus - BK 19 Ta 06' 33.28" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> > > Saturn ® - PK 11 Li 53' 46.33" Swat 2 Li Cp> > > Rahu - GK 23 Sg 23' 35.62" PSha 4 Sg Sc> > >

Ketu 23 Ge 23' 35.62" Puna 2 Ge Ta> > > Maandi 11 Ta 06' 45.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> > > Gulika 24 Ar 05' 16.95" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> >

> Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:26:03 PM> > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. > > > > > > If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna.> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > May 8, 1954> > > Time: 19:40:00> > > Time Zone: 5:00:00

(West of GMT)> > > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > > Sunrise: 5:43:28> > > Sunset: 19:51:13> > > Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15> > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > > > Regards,> > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago > > > 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.> > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > Renu> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > Here is a good example chart

of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > May 8, 1954> > > > Time: 19:40:00> > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > > > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > > > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > > > Altitude: 596.00 meters> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67%

left)> > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > > > Sunrise: 5:43:28> > > > Sunset: 19:51:13> > > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > > > > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > > > > > > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current

discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > > > > > > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > > > > > > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > > > > > > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju

is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > > > > > > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> > > > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the

case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in> lagana)".> > > > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the

general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > >> > > > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> > > >

>> > > > > with regards,> > > > > S.R.Balasubramaniam> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > http://mail. > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > Do

You ?> > > > http://mail. > >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kursijaji and Tripathyji,

 

Thankyou !

 

Host of other factors will say the event and thankyou for explaining it

brilliantly !.

 

Regards,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

 

, " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija

wrote:

>

> Dear Vijay,

> A nice chart. But do not blame the 8th lord in the 8th. If we look at the

Bhava chalit chart, Rahu is in lagna and in the detrimental orb. Moon is 10th

lord, but 8th lord in navamsha. Rahu and Moon are the real culprit. In transit

Jupiter the 6th lord is in 4th in retrograde motion and 8th from natal Jupiter.

The relation between father and son will not be cordial. Saturn in 11th Leo

aspecting 8th. Mars and Jupiter are malefic for the lagna. So i feel that all

these forces acted combinedly to throw him out of the business.

> Regards

> --- On Fri, 8/7/09, Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_mrutyunjay wrote:

>

> > Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_mrutyunjay

> > Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

> >

> > Friday, August 7, 2009, 11:16 AM

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > A classic example

> >

> >

> > where 8th lord in 8th house

> >

> >

> > is close to the cusp.

> >

> > Additionally fulfilling the

> >

> > condition of

> >

> > being placed in 12th from Arudha Lagna taking Mahadasa lord

> > Rahu as the lagna lord.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Mrutyunjay Tripathy

> >

> > ,

> > " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > >

> > > One more example today i had discussion with the

> > native's relative.:

> > >

> > > Date:          July 12, 1977

> > > Time:          13:36:00

> > > Time Zone:     5:30:00 (East of

> > GMT)

> > > Place:         75 E 49'

> > 00 " , 26 N 55' 00 "

> > >               

> > Jaipur, India

> > > Ayanamsa:      23-32-35.33

> > >

> > > Tula Lagna with venus in 8th house with host of

> > planets.

> > >

> > > This native was thrown out from house especially

> > family business by his parents mainly with father in the

> > current dasa of

> > >

> > > Vimsottari Dasa:

> > >

> > >  Rah MD:  1993-03-07  - 

> > 2011-03-07

> > >   Moon AD:  2008-08-18 

> > -  2010-02-17

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Regards,

> > > Vijay Goel

> > > Jaipur.

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > >

> > > ,

> > " Vijay Goel " <goyalvj@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear all,

> > > >

> > > > More examples of my clients having 8th lord in

> > 8th house.

> > > >

> > > > Date:          August

> > 16, 1977

> > > > Time:          18:35:00

> > > > Time Zone:     5:30:00 (East

> > of GMT)

> > > > Place:         76 E

> > 56' 00 " , 15 N 30' 00 "

> > > >

> > > > This person is in foreign country.

> > > > Makar Lagna, sun in 8th house with mercury (9L)

> > & moon.

> > > > Recently his father died in Mars\mercury

> > antardasa.

> > > > -----------------

> > > > Date:          December

> > 16, 1975

> > > > Time:          13:43:00

> > > > Time Zone:     5:30:00 (East

> > of GMT)

> > > > Place:         76 E

> > 36' 00 " , 28 N 15' 00 "

> > > >

> > > > Meena Lagna with venus in 8th house with rahu.

> > > >

> > > > A Guiness book record horder and many limca book

> > record holder.

> > > > This person has very good artistic abilities.

> > > >

> > > > Now Rahu\venus is running and his name and fame

> > is increasing many fold day by day.

> > > > --------------

> > > > Date:          June 22,

> > 1979

> > > > Time:          16:50:08

> > > > Time Zone:     5:30:00 (East

> > of GMT)

> > > > Place:         74 E

> > 30' 00 " , 26 N 06' 00 "

> > > >   

> > > > Scorpio Lagna, mercury in 8th house with sun.

> > > >

> > > > This person is too much disturbed in job, his

> > father met the fatal accident in Rahu\rahu, after that he

> > has to face all responsibilities.

> > > >

> > > > -------------

> > > >

> > > > Thanking you,

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Vijay Goel

> > > > Jaipur.

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > >

> > > > > Here is a good example chart of the double

> > edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance). This

> > is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember

> > the source.

> > > > >

> > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > Date:          May 8, 1954

> > > > > Time:          19:40:00

> > > > > Time Zone:     5:00:00 (West of GMT)

> > > > > Place:         87 W 39' 00 " , 41 N

> > 51' 00 "

> > > > >                Chicago,

> > Illinois, USA

> > > > > Altitude:      596.00 meters

> > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo:   Jaya - Vaisakha

> > > > > Tithi:         Sukla Sapthami (Sa)

> > (21.67% left)

> > > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)

> > > > > Nakshatra:     Pushyami (Sa) (4.66%

> > left)

> > > > > Sunrise:       5:43:28

> > > > > Sunset:        19:51:13

> > > > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36

> > > > >

> > > > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady.

> > She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon

> > (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father

> > died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance), and she did

> > not have to work a single day in her life again. Also

> > interestingly her work before this fortune was as a

> > therapist, another 8H profession.

> > > > >

> > > > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully

> > others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo

> > is 10L in 10H.  Clearly the current discussion of 8H

> > being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is

> > significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd

> > from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th,

> > the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th

> > helped her gain from it.

> > > > >

> > > > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord)

> > in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra,

> > placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra

> > and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who

> > also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in

> > D-9.

> > > > >

> > > > > If at all we need other varga charts,  in

> > D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting

> > Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha &  Antar dasha lord

> > from the 2H.  Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is

> > the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position

> > in Libra.

> > > > >  

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > >  -Manoj

> > > > >  

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ________________________________

> > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@>

> > > > >

> > > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM

> > > > > Re:

> > Results for 8th lord placed in lagna

> > > > >

> > > > >  

> > > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,

> > > > >    In that case the results will

> > drastically differ, and would be mainly positive.  Both in

> > the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then

> > the prime consideration is that " Lagna lord is placed in

> > lagna " , and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna.  The

> > results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and

> > the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does

> > not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house

> > gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa

> > will give mainly good results as indicated by " lagna lord in

> > lagna " and the second half of the dasa will be not that good

> > but effort demanding period as indicated by " 8th lord in

> > lagna in own house " .  Please note that in both the above

> > case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that

> > should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and

> > the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - " since

> > 8th lord is placed in its own house (in lagana) " .

> > > > >    The same rule applies everywhere - i.e.

> > the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit

> > the particular chart and situation you are trying to

> > interpret.  General rules are general and not intended to

> > be applicable everywhere as is.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@

> > . com, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran

> > <balsu46@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > >            Pranams.  If the

> > 8th lord owns the lagna as well,  as in the case of Mesha

> > lagna and Thula Lagna ,  where the the 8th lords Mars and

> > Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this

> > placement would make any difference in the predictions you

> > have given.  Kindly advise me if I am wrong.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > with regards,

> > > > > > S.R.Balasubramaniam

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ---

> >

> >

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Dear Manoj ji, The statement provided by rossin ji is just a misunderstood statement. The quote and concept he refers to is the Jataka Chandrika (Laghu Parasari, Udu daya pradeepam) dictum, "Na randhresasthu doshastu suryachandramasavubhau" [if Sun or Moon is 8th lord then the general malefic effect assigned to 8th lord does not apply to them (in vimsottari dasa)] Please note that the dictum is about the malefic nature that should be assigned 8th lord as related to Sun or Moon. The above dictum tells us that, some astrologers are of the opinion that - * For Capricorn lagna since Sun is the 8th lord, the malefic nature become less and Sun will not kill the native in his own dasa. * For Sagittarius lagna since Moon is the 8th lord, the malefic nature

become less and Moon will not kill the native in his own dasa.

Please note that no other texts agrees with Jataka chandrika in this kind of diluting of the natural malefic nature of 8th lord considering sun or moon as a special case. Even my own experience says that there is nothing special related to Sun or Moon when it comes to the general nature ascribed to 8th lord. Definitely even Sun or Moon may kill during its own dasa if it is the 8th lord. Note: No answer was required for rossin ji's question, since it stands on the wrong premise of misunderstanding. When the premise corrected, the question vanishes. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Roshan Ji,> > //the reason of raising this query is that some astrologers believe that Moon in his own house in 8th does not give the results of being in own rashi.//> > Thanks for clarifying your question with more specifics. I have never heard of this dictum? I have only heard of the dictum that the luminaries (Sun and Moon) are not considered as malefic due to their 8L status?> > So may be some one from the group knows more about this?> > Regards,>  -Manoj> ________________________________> rossin ucile kandisa_ur > Thursday, August 6, 2009 3:18:47 AM> Re: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> >  > Dear Kursija ji and Manoj ji,> > Humble greetings. > > With reference to the below mail, I believe that the query posted by me follows the parameter we are talking about; 8th lord in eighth house. the reason of raising this query is that some astrologers believe that Moon in his own house in 8th does not give the results of being in own rashi.> > You may definitely decide not to respond to that, however the direct remark of "discussing personal horoscopes" is a bit far.> > Thanks and regards> > Roshan> >

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Dear All, How can some charts with Rahu in 8th can become an example for 8th lord in 8th house?! Please provide only relevant charts. Mohit started this trend and now Trivedi ji continuing! Where it is said that 8th lord in 8th will decrease longevity? Please keep the combinations - 1) 8th lord in Lagna = decreases longevity and 2) 8th lord in Lagna = increases longevity both seperate and does not cause confusion by bringing in new concepts such as Rahu in 8th etc.Love and regards,Sreenadh , dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote:>> Dear Members,> > One more example of Rahu in 8th house that gave very good results in its Mahadasha.> > DOB 16th Oct 1923> TOB : 14.20> POB: Khedbrahma, North Gujarat> > He is at present in his 86th year year and is healthy.> > D.D.Trivedi> > --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33 wrote:> > > Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33 Re: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 1:41 PM> > Respected Gurujans,> > Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun>

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Dear MOhit ji Nodes can behav Like rasi Lord Placed in charts ( in mercurian rasi and merc is in 12th with 10th and 3rd/4th L ),nakshtra Lords they placed in( in rahu Nakshtra and rahu placed in 2nd House ) ,and also like Kujavath Ketu and sani vath rahu ( exalted Mars is in 3rd House as lagana Lord and 6th L frm Lagna ) also see frm moon sign too as it is more stronger ,ketu is placed in 12th House ( u hav to do ur Home work here and see How all this combinations happened in his Life on various spheres of life ),see also Lord ships of abov mentioned planets frm Moon lagna too .so u know how to form opinions based on it His dasa of ketu is frm age of 22nd Onwards to 29th when did he get married ?is ketu was good for such relationship in during its Dasa ? Just curious and needs ur feed back ( esp88/ 89 period if he happened to marry in and around that period s)rgrds sunil nair , Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:>> Respected Sunil g,> > Well another data is 19 Oct 1954 10.05.am, Lon:77E13'00 Lat:28N40'00 Time Zone is -5:30:00 , his ketu gave his best of the very best time of his life till now , Thanks Mohit> > --- On Fri, 8/7/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > Friday, August 7, 2009, 5:17 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Mohit Ji > > U can post the other chart along with ur comments > > rgrds sunil nair > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> >> > Respected Sunil ji n Gurujans> > > > Well will be waiting inspite of Rahu in 8th house gave better result then should be aspected , well after finishing this chart i have another chart of my chacha whoes Ketu in 8 th house gave him extra ordinary results, Thanks Mohit> > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:34 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohit ji > > > > Then how it will b applicable in tread being discussed > > > > any way thanks for giving a chart and results of rahu dasa > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Sunil g ,> > > > > > Yes it is Libra lagna Long:78E02"00, Lat:30N19" 00 Time zone:-5:30:00> > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:35 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Virmani ji > > > > > > i am getting Libra lagna and rahu in 7th House aries > > > > > > am i missing some thing here ? also pls giv us the co ordinates of the place Dehradune too > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Respected Gurujans,> > > > > > > > Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun> > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:40 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > Correct planetary positions should look like this:> > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > > > Lagna 22 Li 28' 15.04" Visa 1 Li Ar> > > > Sun - AmK 24 Ar 38' 46.21" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > > Moon - MK 16 Cn 02' 45.40" Push 4 Cn Sc> > > > Mars - PiK 14 Sg 04' 38.63" PSha 1 Sg Le> > > > Mercury - AK 24 Ar 44' 18.29" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > > Jupiter - DK 3 Ge 37' 23.23" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> > > > Venus - BK 19 Ta 06' 33.28" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> > > > Saturn ® - PK 11 Li 53' 46.33" Swat 2 Li Cp> > > > Rahu - GK 23 Sg 23' 35.62" PSha 4 Sg Sc> > > > Ketu 23 Ge 23' 35.62" Puna 2 Ge Ta> > > > Maandi 11 Ta 06' 45.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> > > > Gulika 24 Ar 05' 16.95" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:26:03 PM> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. > > > > > > > > If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna.> > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > May 8, 1954> > > > Time: 19:40:00> > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > > > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > > > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > > > Sunrise: 5:43:28> > > > Sunset: 19:51:13> > > > Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15> > > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > > > > A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago > > > > 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.> > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > May 8, 1954> > > > > Time: 19:40:00> > > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > > > > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > > > > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > > > > Altitude: 596.00 meters> > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> > > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > > > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > > > > Sunrise: 5:43:28> > > > > Sunset: 19:51:13> > > > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > > > > > > > > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > > > > > > > > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > > > > > > > > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > > > > > > > > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > > > > > > > > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> > > > > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in> > lagana)".> > > > > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> > > > > >> > > > > > with regards,> > > > > > S.R.Balasubramaniam> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > http://mail. > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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Namesta Sunil g

Well his ketu dasha started at his age of 31 years and he got married at the age when he was 22years in ME-SU-MO-VE on 6th Feb 1976 , Well sir i have done my home work sir just if u give permission i try to match the event on wat he went through, And may i will have some of ur experiences of great Gurujan Sunil g , too ,

 

Thanks Mohit--- On Fri, 8/7/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 5:51 PM

Dear MOhit ji Nodes can behav Like rasi Lord Placed in charts ( in mercurian rasi and merc is in 12th with 10th and 3rd/4th L ),nakshtra Lords they placed in( in rahu Nakshtra and rahu placed in 2nd House ) ,and also like Kujavath Ketu and sani vath rahu ( exalted Mars is in 3rd House as lagana Lord and 6th L frm Lagna ) also see frm moon sign too as it is more stronger ,ketu is placed in 12th House ( u hav to do ur Home work here and see How all this combinations happened in his Life on various spheres of life ),see also Lord ships of abov mentioned planets frm Moon lagna too .so u know how to form opinions based on it His dasa of ketu is frm age of 22nd Onwards to 29th when did he get married ?is ketu was good for such relationship in during its Dasa ? Just curious and needs ur feed back ( esp88/ 89 period if he happened to marry in and around

that period s)rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Sunil g,> > Well another data is 19 Oct 1954 10.05.am, Lon:77E13'00 Lat:28N40'00 Time Zone is -5:30:00 , his ketu gave his best of the very best time of his life till now , Thanks Mohit> > --- On Fri, 8/7/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, August 7, 2009, 5:17 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Mohit

Ji > > U can post the other chart along with ur comments > > rgrds sunil nair > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> >> > Respected Sunil ji n Gurujans> > > > Well will be waiting inspite of Rahu in 8th house gave better result then should be aspected , well after finishing this chart i have another chart of my chacha whoes Ketu in 8 th house gave him extra ordinary results, Thanks Mohit> > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > To:

ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:34 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohit ji > > > > Then how it will b applicable in tread being discussed > > > > any way thanks for giving a chart and results of rahu dasa > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Sunil g ,> > > > > > Yes it is Libra lagna Long:78E02"00, Lat:30N19" 00 Time zone:-5:30:00> > > > > > ---

On Thu, 8/6/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:35 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Virmani ji > > > > > > i am getting Libra lagna and rahu in 7th House aries > > > > > > am i missing some thing here ? also pls giv us the co ordinates of the place Dehradune too > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:>

> > >> > > > Respected Gurujans,> > > > > > > > Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun> > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:40 AM> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > Correct planetary positions should look like this:> > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > > > Lagna 22 Li 28' 15.04" Visa 1 Li Ar> > > > Sun - AmK 24 Ar 38' 46.21" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > > Moon -

MK 16 Cn 02' 45.40" Push 4 Cn Sc> > > > Mars - PiK 14 Sg 04' 38.63" PSha 1 Sg Le> > > > Mercury - AK 24 Ar 44' 18.29" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > > Jupiter - DK 3 Ge 37' 23.23" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> > > > Venus - BK 19 Ta 06' 33.28" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> > > > Saturn ® - PK 11 Li 53' 46.33" Swat

2 Li Cp> > > > Rahu - GK 23 Sg 23' 35.62" PSha 4 Sg Sc> > > > Ketu 23 Ge 23' 35.62" Puna 2 Ge Ta> > > > Maandi 11 Ta 06' 45.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> > > > Gulika 24 Ar 05' 16.95" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:26:03 PM> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. > > > > > > > > If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is

shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna.> > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > May 8, 1954> > > > Time: 19:40:00> > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > > > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > > > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > > >

Sunrise: 5:43:28> > > > Sunset: 19:51:13> > > > Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15> > > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > >

> > A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago > > > > 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.> > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > May 8,

1954> > > > > Time: 19:40:00> > > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > > > > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > > > > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > > > > Altitude: 596.00 meters> > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> > > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > > > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > > > > Sunrise: 5:43:28> > > > >

Sunset: 19:51:13> > > > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > > > > > > > > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her

father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > > > > > > > > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > > > > > > > > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > > > > > > > > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > > > > > > > > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > > >

> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> > > > > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna

lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in> > lagana)".> > > > > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and

situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> > > > > >> > > > > > with

regards,> > > > > > S.R.Balasubramaniam> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > http://mail. > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > http://mail. >

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Respected Sreenadh ji,

 

Well u r right how can Rahu in 8th house can resemble 8th lord in 8th house or 1st house , Well sir as Rahu have no body or own house so though of putting up the chart to know as Rahu a Malefic n Ketu too (i have posted another example) gives good results in its Dasha Sorry n Thank u , Thanks Mohit--- On Fri, 8/7/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Date: Friday, August 7, 2009, 5:15 PM

Dear All, How can some charts with Rahu in 8th can become an example for 8th lord in 8th house?! Please provide only relevant charts. Mohit started this trend and now Trivedi ji continuing! Where it is said that 8th lord in 8th will decrease longevity? Please keep the combinations - 1) 8th lord in Lagna = decreases longevity and 2) 8th lord in Lagna = increases longevity both seperate and does not cause confusion by bringing in new concepts such as Rahu in 8th etc.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Members,> > One more example of Rahu in 8th house that gave very good results in its Mahadasha.> > DOB 16th Oct 1923> TOB : 14.20> POB: Khedbrahma, North

Gujarat> > He is at present in his 86th year year and is healthy.> > D.D.Trivedi> > --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... wrote:> > > Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 1:41 PM> > Respected Gurujans,> > Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun>

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Dear Learned Astrologers and Members,

 

In the example cited by me Raghu is in the 8th house in the zodiacal sign of Leo which means that the Lagna is Capricorn ruled by Saturn.

 

In the classics it is mentyioned that Rahu gives results like Shani.

 

In the said horoscope Shani is lagnesh and is exalted in the 120th house.

 

Rahu in its Mahadasha has given Material benefits and promotions to the native.

 

Now it is for us to decide if Rahu acted as Shani which means lagna lord in 8th and has given the benefic results.

 

It has also been stated that Rahu gives the results of the Lord of the sign it occupies. In this case then it would be Sun. Sun is in 9th house a Bhagyasthan and is Vargottam.

 

Rahu is in the Nakshatra of Shukra and in the said example Shukra is swagrahi and is in the 10th house.

 

All these factors have probably made Rahu to give material benefits in its Mahadasha and has also given Longevity.

 

D. D. Trivedi --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:

Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33Re: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Date: Saturday, 8 August, 2009, 10:37 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Sreenadh ji,

 

Well u r right how can Rahu in 8th house can resemble 8th lord in 8th house or 1st house , Well sir as Rahu have no body or own house so though of putting up the chart to know as Rahu a Malefic n Ketu too (i have posted another example) gives good results in its Dasha Sorry n Thank u , Thanks Mohit--- On Fri, 8/7/09, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)ancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, August 7, 2009, 5:15 PM

Dear All, How can some charts with Rahu in 8th can become an example for 8th lord in 8th house?! Please provide only relevant charts. Mohit started this trend and now Trivedi ji continuing! Where it is said that 8th lord in 8th will decrease longevity? Please keep the combinations - 1) 8th lord in Lagna = decreases longevity and 2) 8th lord in Lagna = increases longevity both seperate and does not cause confusion by bringing in new concepts such as Rahu in 8th etc.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Members,> > One more example of Rahu in 8th house that gave very good results in its Mahadasha.> > DOB 16th Oct 1923> TOB : 14.20> POB: Khedbrahma, North

Gujarat> > He is at present in his 86th year year and is healthy.> > D.D.Trivedi> > --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... wrote:> > > Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 1:41 PM> > Respected Gurujans,> > Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun>

 

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Sir, sorry to add on it well being Ketu in 8th house is not showing on wat he went in Ketu Dasha , Well getting into Varga chart shows.... Thanks Mohit--- On Sat, 8/8/09, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:

Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33Re: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 4:52 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Namesta Sunil g

Well his ketu dasha started at his age of 31 years and he got married at the age when he was 22years in ME-SU-MO-VE on 6th Feb 1976 , Well sir i have done my home work sir just if u give permission i try to match the event on wat he went through, And may i will have some of ur experiences of great Gurujan Sunil g , too ,

 

Thanks Mohit--- On Fri, 8/7/09, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in> wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)ancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, August 7, 2009, 5:51 PM

Dear MOhit ji Nodes can behav Like rasi Lord Placed in charts ( in mercurian rasi and merc is in 12th with 10th and 3rd/4th L ),nakshtra Lords they placed in( in rahu Nakshtra and rahu placed in 2nd House ) ,and also like Kujavath Ketu and sani vath rahu ( exalted Mars is in 3rd House as lagana Lord and 6th L frm Lagna ) also see frm moon sign too as it is more stronger ,ketu is placed in 12th House ( u hav to do ur Home work here and see How all this combinations happened in his Life on various spheres of life ),see also Lord ships of abov mentioned planets frm Moon lagna too .so u know how to form opinions based on it His dasa of ketu is frm age of 22nd Onwards to 29th when did he get married ?is ketu was good for such relationship in during its Dasa ? Just curious and needs ur feed back ( esp88/ 89 period if he happened to marry in and around

that period s)rgrds sunil nair ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:>> Respected Sunil g,> > Well another data is 19 Oct 1954 10.05.am, Lon:77E13'00 Lat:28N40'00 Time Zone is -5:30:00 , his ketu gave his best of the very best time of his life till now , Thanks Mohit> > --- On Fri, 8/7/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, August 7, 2009, 5:17 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Mohit

Ji > > U can post the other chart along with ur comments > > rgrds sunil nair > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> >> > Respected Sunil ji n Gurujans> > > > Well will be waiting inspite of Rahu in 8th house gave better result then should be aspected , well after finishing this chart i have another chart of my chacha whoes Ketu in 8 th house gave him extra ordinary results, Thanks Mohit> > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > To:

ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 12:34 PM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Mohit ji > > > > Then how it will b applicable in tread being discussed > > > > any way thanks for giving a chart and results of rahu dasa > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Respected Sunil g ,> > > > > > Yes it is Libra lagna Long:78E02"00, Lat:30N19" 00 Time zone:-5:30:00> > > > > > ---

On Thu, 8/6/09, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .. com> > > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 8:35 AM> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Virmani ji > > > > > > i am getting Libra lagna and rahu in 7th House aries > > > > > > am i missing some thing here ? also pls giv us the co ordinates of the place Dehradune too > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ ...> wrote:>

> > >> > > > Respected Gurujans,> > > > > > > > Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun> > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/6/09, Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ... wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Thursday, August 6, 2009, 5:40 AM> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > Correct planetary positions should look like this:> > > > > > > > Body Longitude Nakshatra Pada Rasi Navamsa> > > > Lagna 22 Li 28' 15.04" Visa 1 Li Ar> > > > Sun - AmK 24 Ar 38' 46.21" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > > Moon -

MK 16 Cn 02' 45.40" Push 4 Cn Sc> > > > Mars - PiK 14 Sg 04' 38.63" PSha 1 Sg Le> > > > Mercury - AK 24 Ar 44' 18.29" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > > Jupiter - DK 3 Ge 37' 23.23" Mrig 4 Ge Sc> > > > Venus - BK 19 Ta 06' 33.28" Rohi 3 Ta Ge> > > > Saturn ® - PK 11 Li 53' 46.33" Swat

2 Li Cp> > > > Rahu - GK 23 Sg 23' 35.62" PSha 4 Sg Sc> > > > Ketu 23 Ge 23' 35.62" Puna 2 Ge Ta> > > > Maandi 11 Ta 06' 45.46" Rohi 1 Ta Ar> > > > Gulika 24 Ar 05' 16.95" Bhar 4 Ar Sc> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .. com> > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 10:26:03 PM> > > > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > Please read the particulars carefully again. This is why I gave more info than just DOB, TOB, POB. > > > > > > > > If you are using JHORA the Time zone is wrong. You have to manually change it to what is

shown in Red below. If you do you will get correct Lagna, else you will get Scorpio Lagna.> > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > May 8, 1954> > > > Time: 19:40:00> > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > > > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > > > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > > >

Sunrise: 5:43:28> > > > Sunset: 19:51:13> > > > Ayanamsa: 23-13-10.15> > > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 8:37:33 PM> > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > > > >

> > A small clarification to the previous mail...'same time' should be taken as 19 40 in Chicago and 19 40 in Delhi on the same day. That is 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Chicago > > > > 8th May 1954 @ 19:40 in Delhi.> > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > Here is a good example chart of the double edge sword of the 8H matters (Death and Inheritance) . This is a chart that I have in my note book, but dont remember the source.> > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > May 8,

1954> > > > > Time: 19:40:00> > > > > Time Zone: 5:00:00 (West of GMT)> > > > > Place: 87 W 39' 00", 41 N 51' 00"> > > > > Chicago, Illinois, USA> > > > > Altitude: 596.00 meters> > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Jaya - Vaisakha> > > > > Tithi: Sukla Sapthami (Sa) (21.67% left)> > > > > Vedic Weekday: Saturday (Sa)> > > > > Nakshatra: Pushyami (Sa) (4.66% left)> > > > > Sunrise: 5:43:28> > > > >

Sunset: 19:51:13> > > > > Sidereal Time: 9:54:36> > > > > > > > > > This is a very interesting chart of a lady. She was leading a middle class life, until in Venus-Moon (last half of 1983) her life changed over night. Her Father died and left her a huge fortune(inheritance ), and she did not have to work a single day in her life again. Also interestingly her work before this fortune was as a therapist, another 8H profession.> > > > > > > > > > I will give some brief notes, hopefully others will analyze in more detail. Ve is LL/8L in 8H. Mo is 10L in 10H. Clearly the current discussion of 8H being 11th from the 10th (10H being 2nd from the 9H), is significant. Ve is also 11th from the Moon, as well as 2nd from Sun (Karak for father). Being in 12th from the 9th, the 8L ended her

father's life but being 11th from the 10th helped her gain from it.> > > > > > > > > > From the 9H Moon is the 2L (maraka lord) in the 2H. Also the 9L Me in D-1 is in Venus's nakshatra, placed 12H from Ve and very combust. Moon is in Sa Nakshatra and aspected by Saturn (both natally and in transit, who also happens to be the 7/8L from Mo). Mo is also deb in D-9.> > > > > > > > > > If at all we need other varga charts, in D-12 also Moon is 2L in the 8H !!!> > > > > > > > > > Also in 2nd half of 1983, Ju was transiting Scorpio and hence aspecting Dasha & Antar dasha lord from the 2H. Interestingly from the 9H of father, Ju is the 7L(Maraka) transiting the 6H, aspecting the 12H.> > > > > > > > > > Sa was transiting his Natal exalted position in Libra.> > > >

> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Wednesday, August 5, 2009 3:17:47 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Results for 8th lord placed in lagna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Balasubramaniam ji,> > > > > In that case the results will drastically differ, and would be mainly positive. Both in the case of Aries and Libra, if 8th lord is in lagna then the prime consideration is that "Lagna

lord is placed in lagna", and not that 8th lord is placed in lagna. The results would be mostly positive as the power of lagna and the positive results it indicate amplifies. But this does not mean that the negative results indicated by 8th house gets nullified; but instead, the first half of the said Dasa will give mainly good results as indicated by "lagna lord in lagna" and the second half of the dasa will be not that good but effort demanding period as indicated by "8th lord in lagna in own house". Please note that in both the above case of Aries and Libra the general negative effects that should be predicted for 8th lord in lagna becomes weak and the positive results of 8th house becomes strong - "since 8th lord is placed in its own house (in> > lagana)".> > > > > The same rule applies everywhere - i.e. the general rules and derivations should be modified to suit the particular chart and

situation you are trying to interpret. General rules are general and not intended to be applicable everywhere as is.> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Balasubramaniam Ramachandran <balsu46@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Pranams. If the 8th lord owns the lagna as well, as in the case of Mesha lagna and Thula Lagna , where the the 8th lords Mars and Venus are posited in the Lagna then,shall I take that this placement would make any difference in the predictions you have given. Kindly advise me if I am wrong.> > > > > >> > > > > > with

regards,> > > > > > S.R.Balasubramaniam> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > > > > http://mail. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > > > http://mail. > > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ __> > > http://mail. >

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dear MOhit ji u can see age i misclaculated it and arriv at wrong age and asked abt 88/89 periods u can do ur analaysis openly in grp and no one is stopping u as long as it is not a reading request and there are many learned person in grp and he will guide u too . so go ahed and i may participate or may not depending on my availablity of time rgrds sunil nair

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Dear Trivedi g,

 

Well i wanted to ask u tht did he shifted from where he was born(may be in foriegn country) as u see in D-10 u see tht it is Kumb lagna and Rahu is in 12th house n His Naks is Venus in a kendra n trikona lord is in 11th house, Waiting for ur reply, Thanks Mohit--- On Sat, 8/8/09, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote:

dushyant trivedi <trivedi20Re: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Date: Saturday, August 8, 2009, 7:17 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Learned Astrologers and Members,

 

In the example cited by me Raghu is in the 8th house in the zodiacal sign of Leo which means that the Lagna is Capricorn ruled by Saturn.

 

In the classics it is mentyioned that Rahu gives results like Shani.

 

In the said horoscope Shani is lagnesh and is exalted in the 120th house.

 

Rahu in its Mahadasha has given Material benefits and promotions to the native.

 

Now it is for us to decide if Rahu acted as Shani which means lagna lord in 8th and has given the benefic results.

 

It has also been stated that Rahu gives the results of the Lord of the sign it occupies. In this case then it would be Sun. Sun is in 9th house a Bhagyasthan and is Vargottam.

 

Rahu is in the Nakshatra of Shukra and in the said example Shukra is swagrahi and is in the 10th house.

 

All these factors have probably made Rahu to give material benefits in its Mahadasha and has also given Longevity.

 

D. D. Trivedi --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ > wrote:

Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)ancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, 8 August, 2009, 10:37 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Sreenadh ji,

 

Well u r right how can Rahu in 8th house can resemble 8th lord in 8th house or 1st house , Well sir as Rahu have no body or own house so though of putting up the chart to know as Rahu a Malefic n Ketu too (i have posted another example) gives good results in its Dasha Sorry n Thank u , Thanks Mohit--- On Fri, 8/7/09, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)ancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, August 7, 2009, 5:15 PM

Dear All, How can some charts with Rahu in 8th can become an example for 8th lord in 8th house?! Please provide only relevant charts. Mohit started this trend and now Trivedi ji continuing! Where it is said that 8th lord in 8th will decrease longevity? Please keep the combinations - 1) 8th lord in Lagna = decreases longevity and 2) 8th lord in Lagna = increases longevity both seperate and does not cause confusion by bringing in new concepts such as Rahu in 8th etc.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Members,> > One more example of Rahu in 8th house that gave very good results in its Mahadasha.> > DOB 16th Oct 1923> TOB : 14.20> POB: Khedbrahma, North

Gujarat> > He is at present in his 86th year year and is healthy.> > D.D.Trivedi> > --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... wrote:> > > Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 1:41 PM> > Respected Gurujans,> > Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun>

 

 

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Dear Mohit Virmani,

 

He was born in a remote village in North Gujarat. He is now in Mumbai since last 60 years.

 

D. D. Trivedi --- On Sun, 9/8/09, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:

Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33Re: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Date: Sunday, 9 August, 2009, 2:42 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Trivedi g,

 

Well i wanted to ask u tht did he shifted from where he was born(may be in foriegn country) as u see in D-10 u see tht it is Kumb lagna and Rahu is in 12th house n His Naks is Venus in a kendra n trikona lord is in 11th house, Waiting for ur reply, Thanks Mohit--- On Sat, 8/8/09, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 > wrote:

dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)ancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, August 8, 2009, 7:17 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Learned Astrologers and Members,

 

In the example cited by me Raghu is in the 8th house in the zodiacal sign of Leo which means that the Lagna is Capricorn ruled by Saturn.

 

In the classics it is mentyioned that Rahu gives results like Shani.

 

In the said horoscope Shani is lagnesh and is exalted in the 120th house.

 

Rahu in its Mahadasha has given Material benefits and promotions to the native.

 

Now it is for us to decide if Rahu acted as Shani which means lagna lord in 8th and has given the benefic results.

 

It has also been stated that Rahu gives the results of the Lord of the sign it occupies. In this case then it would be Sun. Sun is in 9th house a Bhagyasthan and is Vargottam.

 

Rahu is in the Nakshatra of Shukra and in the said example Shukra is swagrahi and is in the 10th house.

 

All these factors have probably made Rahu to give material benefits in its Mahadasha and has also given Longevity.

 

D. D. Trivedi --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ > wrote:

Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)ancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, 8 August, 2009, 10:37 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Respected Sreenadh ji,

 

Well u r right how can Rahu in 8th house can resemble 8th lord in 8th house or 1st house , Well sir as Rahu have no body or own house so though of putting up the chart to know as Rahu a Malefic n Ketu too (i have posted another example) gives good results in its Dasha Sorry n Thank u , Thanks Mohit--- On Fri, 8/7/09, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)ancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, August 7, 2009, 5:15 PM

Dear All, How can some charts with Rahu in 8th can become an example for 8th lord in 8th house?! Please provide only relevant charts. Mohit started this trend and now Trivedi ji continuing! Where it is said that 8th lord in 8th will decrease longevity? Please keep the combinations - 1) 8th lord in Lagna = decreases longevity and 2) 8th lord in Lagna = increases longevity both seperate and does not cause confusion by bringing in new concepts such as Rahu in 8th etc.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Members,> > One more example of Rahu in 8th house that gave very good results in its Mahadasha.> > DOB 16th Oct 1923> TOB : 14.20> POB: Khedbrahma, North

Gujarat> > He is at present in his 86th year year and is healthy.> > D.D.Trivedi> > --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ... wrote:> > > Mohit Virmani mohitvirmani33@ ...> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 1:41 PM> > Respected Gurujans,> > Well my father has Rahu in 8th house , n in Rahu dasha he was quite sucessful (wit little ups n downs) His Birth Details r 19-08-1947 time is 11.05am place is Dehradun>

 

 

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Dear Mohit Virmani,

 

Further to my earlier e-mail I thing shifting from a village in North Gujarat to Mumbai in the 40ties is as good as shifting to a foreign country.

 

D. D. Trivedi

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Further-

 

In the ancient days when travelling was mentioned it was mostly by Road.

So one had to look in the Chart only for Earthy signs in order to look

at Travel. Now since aeroplanes have come one also has to look for the

Airy signs. Again through Trains means a locomotive running on Steel

Tracks. Or by Bus, or Car. By Ship means watery signs. So many

inferences can be drawn and so very difficult to choose the mode of

transport which one will travel by, if I tell a astrologer that I am

leaving Bombay on so n so date and travelling to Kolkata , please

identify what mode of travel I have booked for, it becomes a very

difficult job for him.

 

Such changes and newer additions have come almost in all departments and

all the 12 houses of the Kundli.

 

The Astrologers job is becoming competetive day by day.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, dushyant trivedi

<trivedi20 wrote:

>

> Dear Mohit Virmani,

>

> Further to my earlier e-mail I thing shifting from a village in North

Gujarat to Mumbai in the 40ties is as good as shifting to a foreign

country.

>

> D. D. Trivedi

>

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Dear Trivedi g,

 

Agreed as Rahu in made him shift as shown in D-10, And its is not necessary tht people dont shift down to foriegn in 40s any ways Thanks Trivedi ji , Mohit--- On Sun, 8/9/09, dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote:

dushyant trivedi <trivedi20Re: Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example) Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:42 AM

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Mohit Virmani,

 

Further to my earlier e-mail I thing shifting from a village in North Gujarat to Mumbai in the 40ties is as good as shifting to a foreign country..

 

D. D. Trivedi

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Respected Bhaskar g,

 

                                Well i completly agree wit u wat u have said

(Well i m not an astrologer just a student) .... Thanks Mohit

 

--- On Sun, 8/9/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

 

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

 

Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:03 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Further-

 

In the ancient days when travelling was mentioned it was mostly by Road.

So one had to look in the Chart only for Earthy signs in order to look

at Travel. Now since aeroplanes have come one also has to look for the

Airy signs. Again through Trains means a locomotive running on Steel

Tracks. Or by Bus, or Car. By Ship means watery signs. So many

inferences can be drawn and so very difficult to choose the mode of

transport which one will travel by, if I tell a astrologer that I am

leaving Bombay on so n so date and travelling to Kolkata , please

identify what mode of travel I have booked for, it becomes a very

difficult job for him.

 

Such changes and newer additions have come almost in all departments and

all the 12 houses of the Kundli.

 

The Astrologers job is becoming competetive day by day.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi

<trivedi20@. ..> wrote:

>

> Dear Mohit Virmani,

>

> Further to my earlier e-mail I thing shifting from a village in North

Gujarat to Mumbai in the 40ties is as good as shifting to a foreign

country.

>

> D. D. Trivedi

>

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Incidentally -

4 days back I was watching a persons Horoscope (Non-Professionally)as he was at my place to discuss about some matters. I told him that he must be careful whiile travelling as there was a chance of him suffering through a minor accident. (I forgot later on what I had told him).

Day before yesterday I got an sms from this same person that he was in the Local train at Mahim (Bombay) which had crashed into another train and caused an accident. He did suffer from minor injuries which he got treated near the site of the accident.

Had he asked me how this accident will happen, whether in Bus, Car or Train, frankly speaking I would not have been able to answer the same (Though this is possible but needs lot of study, observation power and time to study).

This man is a reporter from a Daily English newspaper in Bombay.

regards/Bhaskar.

 

, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Further-> > In the ancient days when travelling was mentioned it was mostly by Road.> So one had to look in the Chart only for Earthy signs in order to look> at Travel. Now since aeroplanes have come one also has to look for the> Airy signs. Again through Trains means a locomotive running on Steel> Tracks. Or by Bus, or Car. By Ship means watery signs. So many> inferences can be drawn and so very difficult to choose the mode of> transport which one will travel by, if I tell a astrologer that I am> leaving Bombay on so n so date and travelling to Kolkata , please> identify what mode of travel I have booked for, it becomes a very> difficult job for him.> > Such changes and newer additions have come almost in all departments and> all the 12 houses of the Kundli.> > The Astrologers job is becoming competetive day by day.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > , dushyant trivedi> trivedi20@ wrote:> >> > Dear Mohit Virmani,> >> > Further to my earlier e-mail I thing shifting from a village in North> Gujarat to Mumbai in the 40ties is as good as shifting to a foreign> country.> >> > D. D. Trivedi> >>

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Dear Bhaskar Ji,

 

Could you share with us which combination/transit in the chart helped you make this prediction?

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 4:52:05 AM Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

 

Incidentally -

4 days back I was watching a persons Horoscope (Non-Professionally )as he was at my place to discuss about some matters. I told him that he must be careful whiile travelling as there was a chance of him suffering through a minor accident. (I forgot later on what I had told him).

Day before yesterday I got an sms from this same person that he was in the Local train at Mahim (Bombay) which had crashed into another train and caused an accident. He did suffer from minor injuries which he got treated near the site of the accident.

Had he asked me how this accident will happen, whether in Bus, Car or Train, frankly speaking I would not have been able to answer the same (Though this is possible but needs lot of study, observation power and time to study).

This man is a reporter from a Daily English newspaper in Bombay.

regards/Bhaskar.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:>> > Further-> > In the ancient days when travelling was mentioned it was mostly by Road.> So one had to look in the Chart only for Earthy signs in order to look> at Travel. Now since aeroplanes have come one also has to look for the> Airy signs. Again through Trains means a locomotive running on Steel> Tracks. Or by Bus, or Car. By Ship means watery signs. So many> inferences can be drawn and so very difficult to choose the mode of> transport which one will travel by, if I tell a astrologer that I am> leaving Bombay on so n so date and travelling to Kolkata , please> identify what mode of travel I have booked for, it becomes a very> difficult job for him.> > Such changes and newer additions have come almost in all departments and> all

the 12 houses of the Kundli.> > The Astrologers job is becoming competetive day by day.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi> trivedi20@ wrote:> >> > Dear Mohit Virmani,> >> > Further to my earlier e-mail I thing shifting from a village in North> Gujarat to Mumbai in the 40ties is as good as shifting to a foreign> country.> >> > D. D. Trivedi> >>

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Dear Manoj ji,

 

This is a sure shot combination for accidents. The planet Venus, the 3rd

and the 8th house activated in any period will bring this about. Venus

being the karaka for Vehichles, the 3rd house for movement, and the 8th

for obstacles during movement.

 

By the way I too liked the last 2 Lines of that mail (Of course the

whole mail too) which some other member commented about.

 

best wishes,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar Ji,

>

> Could you share with us which combination/transit in the chart helped

you make this prediction?

>

> Regards,

> -Manoj

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish

>

> Monday, August 10, 2009 4:52:05 AM

> Re: 8th lord in 8H (Example)

>

>

> Incidentally -

> 4 days back I was watching a persons Horoscope (Non-Professionally )as

he was at my place to discuss about some matters. I told him that he

must be careful whiile travelling as there was a chance of him suffering

through a minor accident. (I forgot later on what I had told him).

> Day before yesterday I got an sms from this same person that he was in

the Local train at Mahim (Bombay) which had crashed into another train

and caused an accident. He did suffer from minor injuries which he got

treated near the site of the accident.

> Had he asked me how this accident will happen, whether in Bus, Car or

Train, frankly speaking I would not have been able to answer the same

(Though this is possible but needs lot of study, observation power and

time to study).

> This man is a reporter from a Daily English newspaper in Bombay.

> regards/Bhaskar.

>

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish@ ...> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Further-

> >

> > In the ancient days when travelling was mentioned it was mostly by

Road.

> > So one had to look in the Chart only for Earthy signs in order to

look

> > at Travel. Now since aeroplanes have come one also has to look for

the

> > Airy signs. Again through Trains means a locomotive running on Steel

> > Tracks. Or by Bus, or Car. By Ship means watery signs. So many

> > inferences can be drawn and so very difficult to choose the mode of

> > transport which one will travel by, if I tell a astrologer that I am

> > leaving Bombay on so n so date and travelling to Kolkata , please

> > identify what mode of travel I have booked for, it becomes a very

> > difficult job for him.

> >

> > Such changes and newer additions have come almost in all departments

and

> > all the 12 houses of the Kundli.

> >

> > The Astrologers job is becoming competetive day by day.

> >

> > regards,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi

> > trivedi20@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Mohit Virmani,

> > >

> > > Further to my earlier e-mail I thing shifting from a village in

North

> > Gujarat to Mumbai in the 40ties is as good as shifting to a foreign

> > country.

> > >

> > > D. D. Trivedi

> > >

> >

>