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Respected Astrologers,

 

My query is what is the effects aand results when lord of

8th placed in 8th house.

 

Whether Mahadasha or Antar Dasha gives negative results in that particular case.

 

Regards/Anand Jain

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Pranams,Mr.Anand Jain ji,8th lord in 8th house encourages a person engaged in food production either directly / indirectly,native with some health problems,pleasant in their speech,a puritan for outward look but kapadi,perform deeds with out their family approvals .The above phalam are some thoughts but subject to the influences / inferiority exerted on it (8th house and its lord)by other graha and Bhava. Regards / Dhananjayan[P.S:The above phalams are neither motivational nor pointed towards any individual(s) ]--- On Tue, 4/8/09, swarup1068 <swarup1068 wrote:swarup1068 <swarup1068 effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house. Date: Tuesday, 4 August, 2009, 5:57 PM

 

 

Respected Astrologers,

 

My query is what is the effects aand results when lord of

8th placed in 8th house.

 

Whether Mahadasha or Antar Dasha gives negative results in that particular case.

 

Regards/Anand Jain

 

 

 

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Dear All, This is a good subject for discussion. Going by the classics -1) As per Meenaraja Hora Nithanapatau nidhanagate vyavasayi vyadhi varjito neeruk Kitava kalakalita vapuH kitavakule jayate manujaH (Meenaraja Hora)[if 8th lord is placed in 8th house itself then, he would be a businessman (or hard working?), healthy, peaceful individual and will have a handsome body. But he he would also be a spend thrift who took birth in a family of spend thrifts] 8th is the house of survival (upajeevana - the essential earning for bread and butter). Thus clearly 8th lord in 8th house makes the it an important house and imparts the self same character to the native - i.e. it makes him a hardworking individual. Health, peace of mind, good body etc all follows that. 2) As per Parasara Ashtamese ashtamaste tu deerkhayushmanjanjase bhavet Balaheene tu madhyayuH stenascha gurunindakaH (Parasara Hora)[if 8th lord is placed in 8th house then the native will have good longevity. But if that 8th lord in 8th is weak (due to combustion etc) then the native will only have moderate longevity. Further if 8th lord in 8th house is weak then, the native may become a thief or one who blames his guru] 8th lord in 8th amplifying the significance of 8th house is natural - that is why the statement, 8th lord in 8th will increase longevity. But it should also be noted that hard work and suffering are also signified by 8th house - 8th lord in 8th house increases hard work and suffering as well along with longevity. Further result derivations following the same track of interpretation would be much informative. It will also interesting to learn to identify - suicide, accident death, and murder - based on the strength of 8th house and 8th lord. I invite further discussion on these.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya wrote:>> Pranams,> Mr.Anand Jain ji,> > 8th lord in 8th house encourages a person engaged in food production either directly / indirectly,native with some health problems,pleasant in their speech,a puritan for outward look but kapadi,perform deeds with out their family approvals .> > The above phalam are some thoughts but subject to the influences / inferiority exerted on it (8th house and its lord)by other graha and Bhava. > > Regards / Dhananjayan> [P.S:The above phalams are neither motivational nor pointed towards any individual(s) ]> > --- On Tue, 4/8/09, swarup1068 swarup1068 wrote:> > swarup1068 swarup1068 effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.> > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009, 5:57 PM> > Respected Astrologers,> > > > My query is what is the effects aand results when lord of> > 8th placed in 8th house.> > > > Whether Mahadasha or Antar Dasha gives negative results in that particular case.> > > > Regards/Anand Jain

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respected

guruji and gurubhais,namaskar.as a student of astrology, I am unable to understand the astronomical significance of divisional charts. The position of planets in birth chart can be physically calculated. Once a planet has a fixed position in birth chart, what is the significance of moving it to various signs in divisional charts? how is it astronomically correct? would be most grateful if any one can clear this doubt please.regards to all. AstrostudentPS: Kindly bear with me. I have started studying astrology sincerely and may have some basic doubts. anyone can clarify please.________________________________Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Wednesday, 5 August, 2009 2:03:17 Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house. Dear All, This is a good subject for

discussion. Going by the classics -1) As per Meenaraja Hora Nithanapatau nidhanagate vyavasayi vyadhi varjito neeruk Kitava kalakalita vapuH kitavakule jayate manujaH (Meenaraja Hora)[if 8th lord is placed in 8th house itself then, he would be a businessman (or hard working?), healthy, peaceful individual and will have a handsome body. But he he would also be a spend thrift who took birth in a family of spend thrifts] 8th is the house of survival (upajeevana - the essential earning for bread and butter). Thus clearly 8th lord in 8th

house makes the it an important house and imparts the self same character to the native - i.e. it makes him a hardworking individual. Health, peace of mind, good body etc all follows that. 2) As per Parasara Ashtamese ashtamaste tu deerkhayushmanjanja se bhavet Balaheene tu madhyayuH stenascha gurunindakaH (Parasara Hora)[if 8th lord is placed in 8th house then the native will have good longevity. But if that 8th lord in 8th is weak (due to combustion etc) then the native will only have moderate longevity. Further if 8th lord in 8th

house is weak then, the native may become a thief or one who blames his guru] 8th lord in 8th amplifying the significance of 8th house is natural - that is why the statement, 8th lord in 8th will increase longevity. But it should also be noted that hard work and suffering are also signified by 8th house - 8th lord in 8th house increases hard work and suffering as well along with longevity. Further result derivations following the same track of interpretation would be much informative. It will also interesting to learn to identify - suicide, accident death, and murder - based on the strength of 8th house and 8th lord. I invite further discussion on these.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma <abhanaya wrote:>> Pranams,> Mr.Anand Jain ji,> > 8th lord in 8th house encourages a person

engaged in food production either directly / indirectly,native with some health problems,pleasant in their speech,a puritan for outward look but kapadi,perform deeds with out their family approvals .> > The above phalam are some thoughts but subject to the influences / inferiority exerted on it (8th house and its lord)by other graha and Bhava. > > Regards / Dhananjayan> [P.S:The above phalams are neither motivational nor pointed towards any individual(s) ]> > --- On Tue, 4/8/09, swarup1068 swarup1068@. .. wrote:> > swarup1068 swarup1068@. ..> [ancient_indian_ astrology] effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, 4 August, 2009, 5:57 PM> > Respected

Astrologers,> > > > My query is what is the effects aand results when lord of> > 8th placed in 8th house.> > > > Whether Mahadasha or Antar Dasha gives negative results in that particular case.> > > > Regards/Anand Jain

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Dear Group,

 

8th house is the KARAK sthan for 1st

house. Natural 8th lord

is Mars. Lord of Scorpio in

Kalpurush chart. Therefore the

status of 8th house will have its say on the 1st house

which is Lagna.

 

8th house is 6th house from 3rd

and 10th from 11th house. It is 11th from 10th

and 3rd from 6th.

Therefore its upchay from these house and it will help grow the

significance of these house. That

is the basic definition of upchay sthan.

 

Now, As per the text given by Sreenadh

ji Meenaraja Hora says that the native will be business man. It is quite logical to derive that a

person with a strong individuality needs his space and freedom to make his own

decisions. Doing a job, where in he

might not get full freedom, might eventually quite and might want to do his own

or “business”.

 

Regarding hard working, 8th house is upchay for 3rd

house. 3rd house is that

of parakram.

It is also 11th from 10th house which is the house

of success of authority (11th from 10th).

 

Now, if say 8th house is Libra or Aries, then Ve or Ma in own house would also rule the 3rd

house. Therefore the 3rd

lord would also be placed in 8th house, therefore Mool karak for Lagna is in 8th

house of individuality as well. If

8th house is Pisces or Virgo, and that would also make 5th

house lord same. Therefore 5th

lord would come in 8th house and 5th house is a Trine

therefore it is upchay for 12th house and also eager for 8th

house matters being upchay. Like

that you can study for each lagna.

 

Meenaraja Hora also says that the native will be handsome. 8th house is Karak for 1st

and a person with a powerful Mangal (natural 8th

lord) and also 1st lord or Functional 8th lord in the 8th

house will make a person handsome or with a good personality.

 

Regarding Spend thrift, I would like to say that any planet

in 8th house will have its aspect on 2nd house for

sure. A planet in own house will

have its aspect with equal power but with a malefic drisit

on 7th. Guru, Mangal and Shani will have 3 more aspects. However, all planets will have a 7th

aspect and that will be malefic.

Therefore it will not give the result of 2nd house i.e.

accumulation of wealth. However, 8th

house is upchay for 11th, so it will give income or it will increase

the significance of 11th house as its 10th house from 11th

or powerful upchay. So if a person is

getting income but is not accumulating wealth, then he might be spending it J, making him a

spend thrift. He also talks of a

FAMILY of spend thrifts, again 2nd

house is that of kutumb as well. Here again this is general, and

exception would be if Sa rules 7th and 8th house or if

the same planet rules 11th and 2nd etc etc.

 

That said, the above is a VERY GENERAL approach and it corroborate

what Meenaraja Hora states.

 

Regarding Parasara’s

commentary, he talks of one becoming a Thief, so maybe a person with weak 8th

house might have a weak character, and at the same time its eager to give parakram and also income, so maybe that might lead to

cheating others taking the NON HARD WORKING ROUTE and try to make quick income

and using his parakram by cheating others. So again upchay of 3rd, 11th

and weak individuality comes into play.

Applying Psychology here.

 

A weak 8th house (many planets weak for 8th

house as per ashtakvarg) will increase longevity as

strong planets can give death.

Therefore if you FOCUS on 8th house as being weak and many

planets being weak for 8th house results, then what Parasara is saying is more in line??

 

 

My 2 cents.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

Tuesday August 4, 2009 4:33

PM

To:

 

Subject:

Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th

house.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear All,

This is a good subject for discussion. Going by the classics -

1) As per Meenaraja Hora

Nithanapatau nidhanagate vyavasayi vyadhi varjito neeruk

Kitava kalakalita vapuH kitavakule jayate manujaH

(Meenaraja Hora)

[if 8th lord is placed in 8th house itself then, he would be a businessman (or

hard working?), healthy, peaceful individual and will have a handsome body. But

he he would also be a spend thrift who took birth in a family of spend thrifts]

8th is the house of survival (up ajeevana - the essential earning

for bread and butter). Thus clearly 8th lord in 8th house makes the it an

important house and imparts the self same character to the native - i.e. it

makes him a hardworking individual. Health, peace of mind, good body etc

all follows that.

 

2) As per Parasara

Ashtamese ashtamaste tu deerkhayushmanjanjase bhavet

Balaheene tu madhyayuH stenascha gurunindakaH

(Parasara Hora)

[if 8th lord is placed in 8th house then the native will have good longevity.

But if that 8th lord in 8th is weak (due to combustion etc) then the nat ive

will only have moderate longevity. Further if 8th lord in 8th house is weak

then, the native may become a thief or one who blames his guru]

8th lord in 8th amplifying the significance of 8th house is natural -

that is why the statement, 8th lord in 8th will increase longevity. But

it should also be noted that hard work and suffering are also signified by 8th

house - 8th lord in 8th house increases hard work and suffering as well

along with longevity.

Further result derivations following the same track of interpretation

would be much informative. It will also interesting to learn to identify

- suicide, accident death, and murder - based on the strength of 8th house and

8th lord. I invite further discussion on these.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, Dhananjayan Brahma

<abhanaya wrote:

>

> Pranams,

> Mr.Anand Jain ji,< br>>

> 8th lord in 8th house encourages a person engaged in food production

either directly / indirectly,native with some health problems,pleasant in their

speech,a puritan for outward look but kapadi,perform deeds with out their

family approvals .

>

> The above phalam are some thoughts but subject to the influences /

inferiority exerted on it (8th house and its lord)by other graha and Bhava.

>

> Regards / Dhananjayan

> [P.S:The above phalams are neither motivational nor pointed towards any

individual(s) ]

>

> --- On Tue, 4/8/09, swarup1068 swarup1068 wrote:

>

> swarup1068 swarup1068

> effects n results when 8th lord placed

in 8th house.

>

> Tuesday, 4 August, 2009, 5:57 PM

 

>

> Respected Astrologers,

>

>

& gt;

> My query is what is the effects aand results when lord of

>

> 8th placed in 8th house.

>

>

>

> Whether Mahadasha or Antar Dasha gives negative results in that particular

case.

>

>

>

> Regards/Anand Jain

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Sir, what is the effect of the lord of the 8th house in the first

house.

regards,

kanishk.

At 02:03 AM 8/5/2009, you wrote:

Dear All,

This is a good subject for discussion. Going by the classics

-

1) As per Meenaraja Hora

Nithanapatau nidhanagate vyavasayi vyadhi varjito neeruk

Kitava kalakalita vapuH kitavakule jayate manujaH

(Meenaraja Hora)

[if 8th lord is placed in 8th house itself then, he would be a

businessman (or hard working?), healthy, peaceful individual and will

have a handsome body. But he he would also be a spend thrift who took

birth in a family of spend thrifts]

8th is the house of survival (up ajeevana - the essential

earning for bread and butter). Thus clearly 8th lord in 8th house makes

the it an important house and imparts the self same character to the

native - i.e. it makes him a hardworking individual. Health, peace

of mind, good body etc all follows that.

2) As per Parasara

Ashtamese ashtamaste tu deerkhayushmanjanjase bhavet

Balaheene tu madhyayuH stenascha gurunindakaH

(Parasara Hora)

[if 8th lord is placed in 8th house then the native will have good

longevity. But if that 8th lord in 8th is weak (due to combustion etc)

then the nat ive will only have moderate longevity. Further if 8th lord

in 8th hou se is weak then, the native may become a thief or one who

blames his guru]

8th lord in 8th amplifying the significance of 8th house is

natural - that is why the statement, 8th lord in 8th will increase

longevity. But it should also be noted that hard work and suffering

are also signified by 8th house - 8th lord in 8th house increases hard

work and suffering as well along with longevity.

Further result derivations following the same track of

interpretation would be much informative. It will also interesting

to learn to identify - suicide, accident death, and murder - based on the

strength of 8th house and 8th lord. I invite further discussion on

these.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, Dhananjayan Brahma

<abhanaya wrote:

>

> Pranams,

> Mr.Anand Jain ji,

>

> 8th lord in 8th house encourages a person engaged in food production

either directly / indirectly,native with some health problems,pleasant in

their speech,a puritan for outward look but kapadi,perform deeds with out

their family approvals .

>

> The above phalam are some thoughts but subject to the influences /

inferiority exerted on it (8th house and its lord)by other graha and

Bhava.

>

> Regards / Dhananjayan

> [P.S:The above phalams are neither motivational nor pointed towards

any individual(s) ]

>

> --- On Tue, 4/8/09, swarup1068 swarup1068 wrote:

>

> swarup1068 swarup1068

> effects n results when 8th lord

placed in 8th house.

>

> Tuesday, 4 August, 2009, 5:57 PM

>

> Respected Astrologers,

>

>

>

> My query is what is the effects aand results when lord of

>

> 8th placed in 8th house.

>

>

>

> Whether Mahadasha or Antar Dasha gives negative results in that

particular case.

>

>

>

> Regards/Anand Jain

 

 

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Dear Ash ji, Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology - * A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord along with malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chart and prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is self inflicted. * A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) with strong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate death inflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc. * A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th indicate longevity and survival even in face of danger. * When the 8th house is moderately strong - the final result will much depend on environment and influences. Note: "Strength of 8th house" can for the sake of simplicity can be interpreted as "strength of 8th lord itself". But as per "Hora swami gurunja veekshita yuta" sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter and Mercury can also import "strength to a house"; Further the house lord going to Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the "strength of the house" (as per the sloka "lagna lagnapatau balena sahite..........). Love and regards,Sreenadh

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Respected Sir,

 

If u permit me, should I ask one more question, when 8th lord is placed in its own house with another planet of opposite nature like saturn, in that what is going to happen.

 

Anand Jain--- On Wed, 5/8/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house. Date: Wednesday, 5 August, 2009, 6:22 AM

Dear Ash ji, Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology - * A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord along with malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chart and prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is self inflicted. * A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) with strong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate death inflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc. * A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th indicate longevity and survival even in face of danger. * When the 8th house is moderately strong - the final result will much depend on environment and influences. Note: "Strength of 8th house" can for the sake of simplicity can be interpreted as

"strength of 8th lord itself". But as per "Hora swami gurunja veekshita yuta" sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter and Mercury can also import "strength to a house"; Further the house lord going to Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the "strength of the house" (as per the sloka "lagna lagnapatau balena sahite...... ....). Love and regards,Sreenadh

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Dear friend,

 

There is an interesting variation to it.

 

Jataka Desha Marga says-

 

a badly placed planet gives bad result

 

even in its own/ exaltation house

 

and is inferior even to a debilited

 

planet placed in a Kendra.

 

 

Jataka Alamkara says-

 

8th lord placed in 8th house will give the same result as

 

= lagna lord placed in the 8th house.

 

( My grandfather's teaching was that...we have to check if the planet is

afflicted by being close to the 8th cusp- and acting for the lagna lord-

otherwise- it give normal good result).

 

The result of

 

8th lord in 8th house

 

or even an exalted malefic in the 8th house

 

if close to cusp

 

might be cause of serious chronic disease/

 

personality deviation like-

 

criminal tendencies, getting pleasure from

 

inflicting pain upon others, drug or drinking addictions, jealousy,

 

inferiority complex/ theiving/lieing tendencies etc.

 

if any way 8th lord is

 

working for the lagna lord.

 

Any way

 

8th lord must not be

 

(A) in rasi sandhi ( refer Jatak Desh Marga/Sarvartha Chintamani etc.)

(B) under close affliction or combustion

© close to cusp of the 8th house within orb of 5 to 10 degrees

(D) debilited in navamsa

(E) being weak working for the lagna lord or 2nd lord/ houses causing

weak health/ poverty

(F) rasi/ navamsa/starlord of 8th lord must not be in rasi sandhi/debilition in

rasi/navamsa to give short life/ death by sudden accidents etc. during its

ruling period.

 

 

Strongly placed

 

one may succeed in

 

research,drug manufacture,

 

occult sciences/ studies,

 

insurance and/or financing agent/

 

hardware/ sanitation sector etc.

 

depending upon the influence of nature of planets and signs.

 

If the planets are having rasi drishit on 11th house from Arudha Lagna then

 

there would be more benefit and less of losses overall.

 

Regards,

 

Mrutyunjay Tripathy

(Consultancy out of group is not free)

 

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> This is a good subject for discussion. Going by the classics -

> 1) As per Meenaraja Hora

> Nithanapatau nidhanagate vyavasayi vyadhi varjito neeruk

> Kitava kalakalita vapuH kitavakule jayate manujaH

>

> (Meenaraja Hora)

> [if 8th lord is placed in 8th house itself then, he would be a

> businessman (or hard working?), healthy, peaceful individual and will

> have a handsome body. But he he would also be a spend thrift who took

> birth in a family of spend thrifts]

> 8th is the house of survival (upajeevana - the essential earning for

> bread and butter). Thus clearly 8th lord in 8th house makes the it an

> important house and imparts the self same character to the native - i.e.

> it makes him a hardworking individual. Health, peace of mind, good body

> etc all follows that.

>

> 2) As per Parasara

> Ashtamese ashtamaste tu deerkhayushmanjanjase bhavet

> Balaheene tu madhyayuH stenascha gurunindakaH

>

> (Parasara Hora)

> [if 8th lord is placed in 8th house then the native will have good

> longevity. But if that 8th lord in 8th is weak (due to combustion etc)

> then the native will only have moderate longevity. Further if 8th lord

> in 8th house is weak then, the native may become a thief or one who

> blames his guru]

> 8th lord in 8th amplifying the significance of 8th house is natural -

> that is why the statement, 8th lord in 8th will increase longevity. But

> it should also be noted that hard work and suffering are also signified

> by 8th house - 8th lord in 8th house increases hard work and suffering

> as well along with longevity.

> Further result derivations following the same track of interpretation

> would be much informative. It will also interesting to learn to

> identify - suicide, accident death, and murder - based on the strength

> of 8th house and 8th lord. I invite further discussion on these.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Dhananjayan Brahma

> <abhanaya@> wrote:

> >

> > Pranams,

> > Mr.Anand Jain ji,

> >

> > 8th lord in 8th house encourages a person engaged in food production

> either directly / indirectly,native with some health problems,pleasant

> in their speech,a puritan for outward look but kapadi,perform deeds with

> out their family approvals .

> >

> > The above phalam are some thoughts but subject to the influences /

> inferiority exerted on it (8th house and its lord)by other graha and

> Bhava.

> >

> > Regards / Dhananjayan

> > [P.S:The above phalams are neither motivational nor pointed towards

> any individual(s) ]

> >

> > --- On Tue, 4/8/09, swarup1068 swarup1068@ wrote:

> >

> > swarup1068 swarup1068@

> > effects n results when 8th lord

> placed in 8th house.

> >

> > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009, 5:57 PM

>

> >

> > Respected Astrologers,

> >

> >

> >

> > My query is what is the effects aand results when lord of

> >

> > 8th placed in 8th house.

> >

> >

> >

> > Whether Mahadasha or Antar Dasha gives negative results in that

> particular case.

> >

> >

> >

> > Regards/Anand Jain

>

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Dear Group,

 

FYI.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

Ash's Corner [kas]

Wednesday August 5, 2009

2:36 PM

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RE:

Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th

house.

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

Thank you for your mail.

 

What I am saying and what you are saying based on quotes

given in this mail are not any different.

I am giving my comments below yours in RED.

 

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

Wednesday August 5, 2009

2:22 AM

To:

 

Subject:

Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th

house.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash ji,

Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional

astrology -

* A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord along

with malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal

chart and prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is self

inflicted.

Ash : What I am saying is that IN GENERAL

when 8th house is weak, it means that the native’s individuality is

very weak. This is the basic point. There after applying psychology to deduce

what that can mean. One way to look at

it is that a weak person might resort to committing suicide provided other

factors support the same. Prashna is

application using the “birth of a question” instead of “birth of a native”, so

Prashna is application of Jyotish to a “question” and limited to the question

only. The Prashna question must be very

specific. If a person asks about

inheritance in the Prashna then the result will be different interpretation of

8th house matter.

 

* A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord)

with strong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate

death inflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc.

Ash: A strong 8th house (sign,

combustion, AV (yogas) all studied together), means that is converse of the

above. A person when face under adverse

conditions might not give up so easily.

He might struggle to overcome the difficult situation. So in GENERAL death will be of some other

cause which is not suicide or SELF (Karak for 1st) inflicted.

 

* A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th indicate longevity and

survival even in face of danger.

Ash : Basic point in KAS is that when any

planet Aspects House A, B or C i.e. if we are talking of 8th house

as the house under focus, then if any planet aspects 3rd house (A),

8th house (B) or 12th house © then those planets will

not be capable to give the result, their samdharmi can step in.

So, Now if a Benefic (Ju, Ve, Me, Mo)

i.e. natural benefics have GENERALLY more than 4 bindus, in their SAV, then

those planets if they ASPECT 8th house then they cannot give the

result themselves. So mostly they cannot

give their result in the MD. Venus has

20 years in Vim dasha and Ju and Me also have very long MD’s so if they cannot

give death and will only give struggle then as the adage goes, what does not

kill u will only make u stronger J

So again what I am saying and what “Traditional Jyotish” is very much

the same.

Now, touching a bit of KAS here, when we

compute the TOTAL POWER of A planet for any house, then we already have

considered

1) The yogas (based on relative positioning

of planets)

2) Upchay house (A, B, C)

3) Considering Parasparakaraka (Mutual

Significators) or 4:10 relationship

4) Give special status to 6th and

10th lords (D and E) by adding 5 points

5) Aspect on House A, B ,C (so in this case,

8th, 3rd and 12th)

6) Aspect on Lords of A, B and C (based on

individual chart)

7) We find that for all 7 planets.

8) We can only get SAV once we know all 7

planets and their relative positioning from each other and lagna.

After doing all the above we get the

summation of the POWER, so all the angles are covered.

These are all standard rules ser per

classics.

 

* When the 8th house is moderately

strong - the final result will much depend on environment and influences.

Ash:

In KAS we can get power in numerical format. So the strongest power planet can give death

or 1st or 5th lord antra.

For natural death, KARAK is important and so is Mool Karak so 3rd

lord and 10th lord, natural 3rd is Me and Natural 10th

is Shani.

It is also said that a person with a very

powerful 10th house can have iccha mrytu. Basic logic is that even if a person is

dying, if he is not loosing his will power and he is fighting then he can be

saved or he or she will not give up easily.

Transits is important for environment and

that is considered also via daily points.

 

I have written an article on Death the

ultimate truth in which I have done this study.

Also a chart of Souvik dutta’s list

closure (death) was done by me on this list.

That must be in the archives.

Same rules have been used.

 

Note: " Strength of 8th house " can for the sake of simplicity

can be interpreted as " strength of 8th lord itself " . But as per

" Hora swami gurunja veekshita yuta " sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of

house lord, Jupiter and Mercury can also import " strength to a

house " ; Further the house lord going to Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that

house also increases the " strength of the house " (as per the sloka

" lagna lagnapatau balena sahite..........).

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

Ash: Yes, thank for clarifying this, I am

also considering the strength as per Ashtakavarg therefore I am considering the

yogas and then to get the final power I use the rules listed above to get a

more detailed picture. Regarding your

point of Guru and Mercury, aspecting a House, then as I said, if Guru and

Mercury aspect 8th house then these planets cannot give death,

therefore 16 years MD of Ju and 17 years get added (barring exceptions). Similarly Venus if it aspects then 20

years. Benefics have very long MD’s .

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Group,

 

I came across this chart on another list.

 

The quote is as follows.

 

“Friends,

 

This is for your study and collection .

A boy was born with following details.

 

DOB...20th July 2009

Time....4.45 am

POB...70 E 36'00 "

22 N 26'00 " Gujarat India

Time of accident and death...6 am on 20th July 2009. near birth village.

 

 

This boy did not drink mother's milk after birth, so the doctors adviced the

parents to take the child to the nearest city of Rajkot.

Two nurses, mother, father and new born's elder

sister who was 2 year old, all

started off for Rajkot. The ambulance met with an accident after hitting a cow

that was killed.

All suffered bad injuries but only this new born and his elder sister died on

the spot. Rest of all are living.

 

Please study the chart and if you like, you may discuss the same.

 

Tatvam-Asi”

 

 

 

If you cast the chart, I get

 

Krushna Ayanamsa: 23:6:25

 

Planet Degrees

As 13

Ge 45

Su 4

Cn 18

Mo 4

Ge 2

Ma 12

Ta 23

Me 11

Cn 2

JuR 2

Aq 5

Ve 23

Ta 8

Sa 25

Le 4

Ra 7

Cp 17

Ke 7

Cn 17

 

Antar Dasha at time of Death:

 

Mars MD and Antardasha of Venus 2008-Oct-28 thru 2009-Dec-28

 

Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa

1 29 15 12 15 6 22 20 16

2 23 11 13 20 13 25 11 13

3 26 14 11 18 15 15 26 15

4 28 17 9 13 20 23 19 16

5 22 11 16 12 12 26 19 24

6 33 21 6 24 19 12 13 4

7 30 11 10 16 19 21 27 6

8 24 18 7 14 18 10 22 7

9 25 10 18 17 19 12 21 8

10 35 16 10 11 12 27 18 16

11 34 17 7 21 18 12 10 16

12 28 11 11 16 16 25 25 17

 

 

As you can see that the DEATH happened in the Highest power

planet for 8th house.

 

Sun is 3rd lord (KARAK) for death and it is aspecting 8th

house, so Sun itself cannot give the result (This is what I had written in my

explanation), and the samdharmi can give the result.

 

Mars is natural samdharmi of Sun and it is not in 1:7 in Rasi

or Navamsa (otherwise they come in position of enmity and cannot become

samdharmi)

 

So MD at time of Birth is Mars itself. So it can give the result in its MD.

 

Venus is 5th lord (LoD) POINT 4 in the list of

points in the below mail.

 

Sun was transiting Sign and Nakshatra of Mo-Me (+/- 13 days

difference is acceptable as per laws of KAS)

 

Mercury has 2nd highest power and Moon is in 1st

house with 4 bindus i.e. House E so most eager.

 

Its all like clock work.

 

 

I guess you can call this nimita as

well. This mail was open in front

of me when I was trying to explain.

 

Hope that adds some more inputs to this discussion with

practical example.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

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Wednesday August 5, 2009

2:36 PM

To:

 

Subject:

Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th

house.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

Thank you for your mail.

 

What I am saying and what you are saying based on quotes given in this mail

are not any different. I am giving my comments below yours in RED.

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:22 AM

 

Re: effects n results when 8th lord

placed in 8th house.

 

 

Dear Ash ji,

Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology -

* A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord along

with malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chart

and prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is self

inflicted.

Ash : What I am saying is that IN GENERAL when 8th house is weak, it means

that the native's individuality is very weak. This is the basic point.

There after applying psychology to deduce what that can mean. One way to

look at it is that a weak person might resort to committing suicide provided

other factors support the same. Prashna is application using the " birth of

a question " instead of " birth of a native " , so Prashna is

application of

Jyotish to a " question " and limited to the question only. The Prashna

question must be very specific. If a person asks about inheritance in the

Prashna then the result will be different interpretation of 8th house

matter.

 

* A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) with

strong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate death

inflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc.

Ash: A strong 8th house (sign, combustion, AV (yogas) all studied together),

means that is converse of the above. A person when face under adverse

conditions might not give up so easily. He might struggle to overcome the

difficult situation. So in GENERAL death will be of some other cause which

is not suicide or SELF (Karak for 1st) inflicted.

 

* A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th indicate longevity and

survival even in face of danger.

Ash : Basic point in KAS is that when any planet Aspects House A, B or C

i.e. if we are talking of 8th house as the house under focus, then if any

planet aspects 3rd house (A), 8th house (B) or 12th house © then those

planets will not be capable to give the result, their samdharmi can step in.

So, Now if a Benefic (Ju, Ve, Me, Mo) i.e. natural benefics have GENERALLY

more than 4 bindus, in their SAV, then those planets if they ASPECT 8th

house then they cannot give the result themselves. So mostly they cannot

give their result in the MD. Venus has 20 years in Vim dasha and Ju and Me

also have very long MD's so if they cannot give death and will only give

struggle then as the adage goes, what does not kill u will only make u

stronger :-) So again what I am saying and what " Traditional Jyotish "

is

very much the same.

Now, touching a bit of KAS here, when we compute the TOTAL POWER of A planet

for any house, then we already have considered

1) The yogas (based on relative positioning of planets)

2) Upchay house (A, B, C)

3) Considering Parasparakaraka (Mutual Significators) or 4:10

relationship

4) Give special status to 6th and 10th lords (D and E) by adding 5

points

5) Aspect on House A, B ,C (so in this case, 8th, 3rd and 12th)

6) Aspect on Lords of A, B and C (based on individual chart)

7) We find that for all 7 planets.

8) We can only get SAV once we know all 7 planets and their relative

positioning from each other and lagna.

After doing all the above we get the summation of the POWER, so all the

angles are covered.

These are all standard rules ser per classics.

 

* When the 8th house is moderately strong - the final result will much

depend on environment and influences.

Ash: In KAS we can get power in numerical format. So the strongest power

planet can give death or 1st or 5th lord antra. For natural death, KARAK is

important and so is Mool Karak so 3rd lord and 10th lord, natural 3rd is Me

and Natural 10th is Shani.

It is also said that a person with a very powerful 10th house can have iccha

mrytu. Basic logic is that even if a person is dying, if he is not loosing

his will power and he is fighting then he can be saved or he or she will not

give up easily.

Transits is important for environment and that is considered also via daily

points.

I have written an article on Death the ultimate truth in which I have done

this study.

Also a chart of Souvik dutta's list closure (death) was done by me on this

list. That must be in the archives. Same rules have been used.

 

Note: " Strength of 8th house " can for the sake of simplicity can be

interpreted as " strength of 8th lord itself " . But as per " Hora

swami gurunja

veekshita yuta " sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter and

Mercury can also import " strength to a house " ; Further the house lord

going

to Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the " strength of

the

house " (as per the sloka " lagna lagnapatau balena sahite..........).

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

Ash: Yes, thank for clarifying this, I am also considering the strength as

per Ashtakavarg therefore I am considering the yogas and then to get the

final power I use the rules listed above to get a more detailed picture.

Regarding your point of Guru and Mercury, aspecting a House, then as I said,

if Guru and Mercury aspect 8th house then these planets cannot give death,

therefore 16 years MD of Ju and 17 years get added (barring exceptions).

Similarly Venus if it aspects then 20 years. Benefics have very long MD's .

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

Thank you for your mail.

 

What I am saying and what you are saying based on quotes given in this mail

are not any different. I am giving my comments below yours in RED.

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:22 AM

 

Re: effects n results when 8th lord

placed in 8th house.

 

 

Dear Ash ji,

Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology -

* A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord along

with malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chart

and prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is self

inflicted.

Ash : What I am saying is that IN GENERAL when 8th house is weak, it means

that the native's individuality is very weak. This is the basic point.

There after applying psychology to deduce what that can mean. One way to

look at it is that a weak person might resort to committing suicide provided

other factors support the same. Prashna is application using the " birth of

a question " instead of " birth of a native " , so Prashna is application of

Jyotish to a " question " and limited to the question only. The Prashna

question must be very specific. If a person asks about inheritance in the

Prashna then the result will be different interpretation of 8th house

matter.

 

* A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) with

strong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate death

inflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc.

Ash: A strong 8th house (sign, combustion, AV (yogas) all studied together),

means that is converse of the above. A person when face under adverse

conditions might not give up so easily. He might struggle to overcome the

difficult situation. So in GENERAL death will be of some other cause which

is not suicide or SELF (Karak for 1st) inflicted.

 

* A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th indicate longevity and

survival even in face of danger.

Ash : Basic point in KAS is that when any planet Aspects House A, B or C

i.e. if we are talking of 8th house as the house under focus, then if any

planet aspects 3rd house (A), 8th house (B) or 12th house © then those

planets will not be capable to give the result, their samdharmi can step in.

So, Now if a Benefic (Ju, Ve, Me, Mo) i.e. natural benefics have GENERALLY

more than 4 bindus, in their SAV, then those planets if they ASPECT 8th

house then they cannot give the result themselves. So mostly they cannot

give their result in the MD. Venus has 20 years in Vim dasha and Ju and Me

also have very long MD's so if they cannot give death and will only give

struggle then as the adage goes, what does not kill u will only make u

stronger :-) So again what I am saying and what " Traditional Jyotish " is

very much the same.

Now, touching a bit of KAS here, when we compute the TOTAL POWER of A planet

for any house, then we already have considered

1) The yogas (based on relative positioning of planets)

2) Upchay house (A, B, C)

3) Considering Parasparakaraka (Mutual Significators) or 4:10

relationship

4) Give special status to 6th and 10th lords (D and E) by adding 5

points

5) Aspect on House A, B ,C (so in this case, 8th, 3rd and 12th)

6) Aspect on Lords of A, B and C (based on individual chart)

7) We find that for all 7 planets.

8) We can only get SAV once we know all 7 planets and their relative

positioning from each other and lagna.

After doing all the above we get the summation of the POWER, so all the

angles are covered.

These are all standard rules ser per classics.

 

* When the 8th house is moderately strong - the final result will much

depend on environment and influences.

Ash: In KAS we can get power in numerical format. So the strongest power

planet can give death or 1st or 5th lord antra. For natural death, KARAK is

important and so is Mool Karak so 3rd lord and 10th lord, natural 3rd is Me

and Natural 10th is Shani.

It is also said that a person with a very powerful 10th house can have iccha

mrytu. Basic logic is that even if a person is dying, if he is not loosing

his will power and he is fighting then he can be saved or he or she will not

give up easily.

Transits is important for environment and that is considered also via daily

points.

I have written an article on Death the ultimate truth in which I have done

this study.

Also a chart of Souvik dutta's list closure (death) was done by me on this

list. That must be in the archives. Same rules have been used.

 

Note: " Strength of 8th house " can for the sake of simplicity can be

interpreted as " strength of 8th lord itself " . But as per " Hora swami gurunja

veekshita yuta " sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter and

Mercury can also import " strength to a house " ; Further the house lord going

to Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the " strength of the

house " (as per the sloka " lagna lagnapatau balena sahite..........).

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

Ash: Yes, thank for clarifying this, I am also considering the strength as

per Ashtakavarg therefore I am considering the yogas and then to get the

final power I use the rules listed above to get a more detailed picture.

Regarding your point of Guru and Mercury, aspecting a House, then as I said,

if Guru and Mercury aspect 8th house then these planets cannot give death,

therefore 16 years MD of Ju and 17 years get added (barring exceptions).

Similarly Venus if it aspects then 20 years. Benefics have very long MD's .

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Dear Group,

 

I came across this chart on another list.

 

The quote is as follows.

 

“Friends,

 

This is for your study and collection .

A boy was born with following details.

 

DOB...20th July 2009

Time....4.45 am

POB...70 E 36'00 "

22 N 26'00 " Gujarat India

Time of accident and death...6 am on 20th July 2009. near birth village.

 

 

This boy did not drink mother's milk after birth, so the doctors adviced the

parents to take the child to the nearest city of Rajkot.

Two nurses, mother, father and new born's elder

sister who was 2 year old, all

started off for Rajkot. The ambulance met with an accident after hitting a cow

that was killed.

All suffered bad injuries but only this new born and his elder sister died on

the spot. Rest of all are living.

 

Please study the chart and if you like, you may discuss the same.

 

Tatvam-Asi”

 

 

 

If you cast the chart, I get

 

Krushna Ayanamsa: 23:6:25

 

Planet Degrees

As 13

Ge 45

Su 4

Cn 18

Mo 4

Ge 2

Ma 12

Ta 23

Me 11

Cn 2

JuR 2

Aq 5

Ve 23

Ta 8

Sa 25

Le 4

Ra 7

Cp 17

Ke 7

Cn 17

 

Antar Dasha at time of Death:

 

Mars MD and Antardasha of Venus 2008-Oct-28 thru 2009-Dec-28

 

Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa

1 29 15 12 15 6 22 20 16

2 23 11 13 20 13 25 11 13

3 26 14 11 18 15 15 26 15

4 28 17 9 13 20 23 19 16

5 22 11 16 12 12 26 19 24

6 33 21 6 24 19 12 13 4

7 30 11 10 16 19 21 27 6

8 24 18 7 14 18 10 22 7

9 25 10 18 17 19 12 21 8

10 35 16 10 11 12 27 18 16

11 34 17 7 21 18 12 10 16

12 28 11 11 16 16 25 25 17

 

 

As you can see that the DEATH happened in the Highest power

planet for 8th house.

 

Sun is 3rd lord (KARAK) for death and it is aspecting 8th

house, so Sun itself cannot give the result (This is what I had written in my

explanation), and the samdharmi can give the result.

 

Mars is natural samdharmi of Sun and it is not in 1:7 in Rasi

or Navamsa (otherwise they come in position of enmity and cannot become

samdharmi)

 

So MD at time of Birth is Mars itself. So it can give the result in its MD.

 

Venus is 5th lord (LoD) POINT 4 in the list of

points in the below mail.

 

Sun was transiting Sign and Nakshatra of Mo-Me (+/- 13 days

difference is acceptable as per laws of KAS)

 

Mercury has 2nd highest power and Moon is in 1st

house with 4 bindus i.e. House E so most eager.

 

Its all like clock work.

 

 

I guess you can call this nimita as

well. This mail was open in front

of me when I was trying to explain.

 

Hope that adds some more inputs to this discussion with

practical example.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Ash's Corner

Wednesday August 5, 2009

2:36 PM

To:

 

Subject:

Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th

house.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

Thank you for your mail.

 

What I am saying and what you are saying based on quotes given in this mail

are not any different. I am giving my comments below yours in RED.

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:22 AM

 

Re: effects n results when 8th lord

placed in 8th house.

 

 

Dear Ash ji,

Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology -

* A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord along

with malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chart

and prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is self

inflicted.

Ash : What I am saying is that IN GENERAL when 8th house is weak, it means

that the native's individuality is very weak. This is the basic point.

There after applying psychology to deduce what that can mean. One way to

look at it is that a weak person might resort to committing suicide provided

other factors support the same. Prashna is application using the " birth of

a question " instead of " birth of a native " , so Prashna is

application of

Jyotish to a " question " and limited to the question only. The Prashna

question must be very specific. If a person asks about inheritance in the

Prashna then the result will be different interpretation of 8th house

matter.

 

* A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) with

strong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate death

inflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc.

Ash: A strong 8th house (sign, combustion, AV (yogas) all studied together),

means that is converse of the above. A person when face under adverse

conditions might not give up so easily. He might struggle to overcome the

difficult situation. So in GENERAL death will be of some other cause which

is not suicide or SELF (Karak for 1st) inflicted.

 

* A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th indicate longevity and

survival even in face of danger.

Ash : Basic point in KAS is that when any planet Aspects House A, B or C

i.e. if we are talking of 8th house as the house under focus, then if any

planet aspects 3rd house (A), 8th house (B) or 12th house © then those

planets will not be capable to give the result, their samdharmi can step in.

So, Now if a Benefic (Ju, Ve, Me, Mo) i.e. natural benefics have GENERALLY

more than 4 bindus, in their SAV, then those planets if they ASPECT 8th

house then they cannot give the result themselves. So mostly they cannot

give their result in the MD. Venus has 20 years in Vim dasha and Ju and Me

also have very long MD's so if they cannot give death and will only give

struggle then as the adage goes, what does not kill u will only make u

stronger :-) So again what I am saying and what " Traditional Jyotish "

is

very much the same.

Now, touching a bit of KAS here, when we compute the TOTAL POWER of A planet

for any house, then we already have considered

1) The yogas (based on relative positioning of planets)

2) Upchay house (A, B, C)

3) Considering Parasparakaraka (Mutual Significators) or 4:10

relationship

4) Give special status to 6th and 10th lords (D and E) by adding 5

points

5) Aspect on House A, B ,C (so in this case, 8th, 3rd and 12th)

6) Aspect on Lords of A, B and C (based on individual chart)

7) We find that for all 7 planets.

8) We can only get SAV once we know all 7 planets and their relative

positioning from each other and lagna.

After doing all the above we get the summation of the POWER, so all the

angles are covered.

These are all standard rules ser per classics.

 

* When the 8th house is moderately strong - the final result will much

depend on environment and influences.

Ash: In KAS we can get power in numerical format. So the strongest power

planet can give death or 1st or 5th lord antra. For natural death, KARAK is

important and so is Mool Karak so 3rd lord and 10th lord, natural 3rd is Me

and Natural 10th is Shani.

It is also said that a person with a very powerful 10th house can have iccha

mrytu. Basic logic is that even if a person is dying, if he is not loosing

his will power and he is fighting then he can be saved or he or she will not

give up easily.

Transits is important for environment and that is considered also via daily

points.

I have written an article on Death the ultimate truth in which I have done

this study.

Also a chart of Souvik dutta's list closure (death) was done by me on this

list. That must be in the archives. Same rules have been used.

 

Note: " Strength of 8th house " can for the sake of simplicity can be

interpreted as " strength of 8th lord itself " . But as per " Hora

swami gurunja

veekshita yuta " sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter and

Mercury can also import " strength to a house " ; Further the house lord

going

to Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the " strength of

the

house " (as per the sloka " lagna lagnapatau balena sahite..........).

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

Ash: Yes, thank for clarifying this, I am also considering the strength as

per Ashtakavarg therefore I am considering the yogas and then to get the

final power I use the rules listed above to get a more detailed picture.

Regarding your point of Guru and Mercury, aspecting a House, then as I said,

if Guru and Mercury aspect 8th house then these planets cannot give death,

therefore 16 years MD of Ju and 17 years get added (barring exceptions).

Similarly Venus if it aspects then 20 years. Benefics have very long MD's .

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Dear Ash ji,

 

 

Thanks for your informative explanation on various charts.

The members should spend more time on these for better

understanding.

 

 

Considering the death, which is very important event, the role ofMahadasha swami is quite important.The main dasa lord should not

have it's sight on the house A B or C.

 

 

In this chart Mars is in 12th house aspecting house A for 8th.

Even then Mars MD gave death to the native.Ve Mo and Sa being

SD has long way to go for their span.

 

 

We all know that Guru ji has not given any lesson yet on this topic

but if any thing which could clear this will be more helpful.

 

 

Regards

Anup

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ash's Corner <kas wrote:

Ash's Corner <kas Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house. , Date: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 3:09 AM

 

 

Dear Group,

 

I came across this chart on another list.

 

The quote is as follows.

 

“Friends,This is for your study and collection .A boy was born with following details.DOB...20th July 2009Time....4.45 amPOB...70 E 36'00"22 N 26'00" Gujarat IndiaTime of accident and death...6 am on 20th July 2009. near birth village.This boy did not drink mother's milk after birth, so the doctors adviced theparents to take the child to the nearest city of Rajkot.Two nurses, mother, father and new born's elder sister who was 2 year old, allstarted off for Rajkot. The ambulance met with an accident after hitting a cowthat was killed.All suffered bad injuries but only this new born and his elder sister died onthe spot. Rest of all are living.Please study the chart and if you like, you may discuss the

same.Tatvam-Asiâ€

 

 

 

If you cast the chart, I get

 

Krushna Ayanamsa: 23:6:25

 

Planet Degrees

As 13 Ge 45

Su 4 Cn 18

Mo 4 Ge 2

Ma 12 Ta 23

Me 11 Cn 2

JuR 2 Aq 5

Ve 23 Ta 8

Sa 25 Le 4

Ra 7 Cp 17

Ke 7 Cn 17

 

Antar Dasha at time of Death:

 

Mars MD and Antardasha of Venus 2008-Oct-28 thru 2009-Dec-28

 

Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa

1 29 15 12 15 6 22 20 16

2 23 11 13 20 13 25 11 13

3 26 14 11 18 15 15 26 15

4 28 17 9 13 20 23 19 16

5 22 11 16 12 12 26 19 24

6 33 21 6 24 19 12 13 4

7 30 11 10 16 19 21 27 6

8 24 18 7 14 18 10 22 7

9 25 10 18 17 19 12 21 8

10 35 16 10 11 12 27 18 16

11 34 17 7 21 18 12 10 16

12 28 11 11 16 16 25 25 17

 

 

As you can see that the DEATH happened in the Highest power planet for 8th house.

 

Sun is 3rd lord (KARAK) for death and it is aspecting 8th house, so Sun itself cannot give the result (This is what I had written in my explanation) , and the samdharmi can give the result.

 

Mars is natural samdharmi of Sun and it is not in 1:7 in Rasi or Navamsa (otherwise they come in position of enmity and cannot become samdharmi)

 

So MD at time of Birth is Mars itself. So it can give the result in its MD.

 

Venus is 5th lord (LoD) POINT 4 in the list of points in the below mail.

 

Sun was transiting Sign and Nakshatra of Mo-Me (+/- 13 days difference is acceptable as per laws of KAS)

 

Mercury has 2nd highest power and Moon is in 1st house with 4 bindus i.e. House E so most eager.

 

Its all like clock work.

 

I guess you can call this nimita as well. This mail was open in front of me when I was trying to explain.

 

Hope that adds some more inputs to this discussion with practical example.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) caWednesday August 5, 2009 2:36 PMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.

 

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh ji,Thank you for your mail.What I am saying and what you are saying based on quotes given in this mailare not any different. I am giving my comments below yours in RED.Cheers !!!Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. caancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com] On Behalf Of SreenadhWednesday August 5, 2009 2:22 AMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lordplaced in 8th house.Dear Ash ji, Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology -* A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord alongwith malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chartand prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is selfinflicted.Ash : What I am saying is that IN GENERAL when 8th house is weak, it meansthat the native's individuality is very weak. This is the basic point.There after applying psychology to deduce what that can

mean. One way tolook at it is that a weak person might resort to committing suicide providedother factors support the same. Prashna is application using the "birth ofa question" instead of "birth of a native", so Prashna is application ofJyotish to a "question" and limited to the question only. The Prashnaquestion must be very specific. If a person asks about inheritance in thePrashna then the result will be different interpretation of 8th housematter. * A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) withstrong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate deathinflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc. Ash: A strong 8th house (sign, combustion, AV (yogas) all studied together),means that is converse of the above. A person when face under adverseconditions might not give up so easily. He might struggle to overcome thedifficult

situation. So in GENERAL death will be of some other cause whichis not suicide or SELF (Karak for 1st) inflicted. * A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th indicate longevity andsurvival even in face of danger. Ash : Basic point in KAS is that when any planet Aspects House A, B or Ci.e. if we are talking of 8th house as the house under focus, then if anyplanet aspects 3rd house (A), 8th house (B) or 12th house © then thoseplanets will not be capable to give the result, their samdharmi can step in.So, Now if a Benefic (Ju, Ve, Me, Mo) i.e. natural benefics have GENERALLYmore than 4 bindus, in their SAV, then those planets if they ASPECT 8thhouse then they cannot give the result themselves.. So mostly they cannotgive their result in the MD. Venus has 20 years in Vim dasha and Ju and Mealso have very long MD's so if they cannot give death and will only givestruggle then as the adage goes, what

does not kill u will only make ustronger :-) So again what I am saying and what "Traditional Jyotish" isvery much the same. Now, touching a bit of KAS here, when we compute the TOTAL POWER of A planetfor any house, then we already have considered 1) The yogas (based on relative positioning of planets) 2) Upchay house (A, B, C)3) Considering Parasparakaraka (Mutual Significators) or 4:10relationship4) Give special status to 6th and 10th lords (D and E) by adding 5points5) Aspect on House A, B ,C (so in this case, 8th, 3rd and 12th)6) Aspect on Lords of A, B and C (based on individual chart)7) We find that for all 7 planets. 8) We can only get SAV once we know all 7 planets and their relativepositioning from each other and lagna.After doing all the above we get the summation of the POWER, so all theangles are covered. These are all standard rules ser per classics.* When the

8th house is moderately strong - the final result will muchdepend on environment and influences. Ash: In KAS we can get power in numerical format. So the strongest powerplanet can give death or 1st or 5th lord antra. For natural death, KARAK isimportant and so is Mool Karak so 3rd lord and 10th lord, natural 3rd is Meand Natural 10th is Shani.It is also said that a person with a very powerful 10th house can have icchamrytu. Basic logic is that even if a person is dying, if he is not loosinghis will power and he is fighting then he can be saved or he or she will notgive up easily.Transits is important for environment and that is considered also via dailypoints. I have written an article on Death the ultimate truth in which I have donethis study. Also a chart of Souvik dutta's list closure (death) was done by me on thislist. That must be in the archives. Same rules have been used.Note:

"Strength of 8th house" can for the sake of simplicity can beinterpreted as "strength of 8th lord itself". But as per "Hora swami gurunjaveekshita yuta" sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter andMercury can also import "strength to a house"; Further the house lord goingto Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the "strength of thehouse" (as per the sloka "lagna lagnapatau balena sahite...... ....). Love and regards,Sreenadh Ash: Yes, thank for clarifying this, I am also considering the strength asper Ashtakavarg therefore I am considering the yogas and then to get thefinal power I use the rules listed above to get a more detailed picture.Regarding your point of Guru and Mercury, aspecting a House, then as I said,if Guru and Mercury aspect 8th house then these planets cannot give death,therefore 16 years MD of Ju and 17 years get added (barring exceptions).Similarly Venus

if it aspects then 20 years. Benefics have very long MD's .

 

 

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Dear Mrutyunjay ji,

 

How do you define Cusp of a house? I know there are variations on this, how to you define it?

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Mrutyunjay Tripathy <astrologer_mrutyunjay Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2009 2:08:38 AM Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house..

Dear friend,There is an interesting variation to it.Jataka Desha Marga says-a badly placed planet gives bad resulteven in its own/ exaltation house and is inferior even to a debilitedplanet placed in a Kendra.Jataka Alamkara says-8th lord placed in 8th house will give the same result as= lagna lord placed in the 8th house.( My grandfather' s teaching was that...we have to check if the planet is afflicted by being close to the 8th cusp- and acting for the lagna lord- otherwise- it give normal good result).The result of8th lord in 8th houseor even an exalted malefic in the 8th houseif close to cuspmight be cause of serious chronic disease/personality deviation like- criminal tendencies, getting pleasure from inflicting pain upon others, drug or drinking addictions, jealousy,inferiority complex/

theiving/lieing tendencies etc.if any way 8th lord isworking for the lagna lord.Any way 8th lord must not be(A) in rasi sandhi ( refer Jatak Desh Marga/Sarvartha Chintamani etc.)(B) under close affliction or combustion© close to cusp of the 8th house within orb of 5 to 10 degrees(D) debilited in navamsa(E) being weak working for the lagna lord or 2nd lord/ houses causing weak health/ poverty(F) rasi/ navamsa/starlord of 8th lord must not be in rasi sandhi/debilition in rasi/navamsa to give short life/ death by sudden accidents etc. during its ruling period.Strongly placedone may succeed in research,drug manufacture,occult sciences/ studies,insurance and/or financing agent/hardware/ sanitation sector etc.depending upon the influence of nature of planets and signs.If the planets are having rasi drishit on 11th house from Arudha

Lagna thenthere would be more benefit and less of losses overall.Regards,Mrutyunjay Tripathy(Consultancy out of group is not free)ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" <sreesog > wrote:>> Dear All,> This is a good subject for discussion. Going by the classics -> 1) As per Meenaraja Hora> Nithanapatau nidhanagate vyavasayi vyadhi varjito neeruk> Kitava kalakalita vapuH kitavakule jayate manujaH> > (Meenaraja Hora)> [if 8th lord is placed in 8th house itself then, he would be a> businessman (or hard working?), healthy, peaceful individual and will> have a handsome body. But he he would also be a spend thrift who took> birth in a family of spend

thrifts]> 8th is the house of survival (upajeevana - the essential earning for> bread and butter). Thus clearly 8th lord in 8th house makes the it an> important house and imparts the self same character to the native - i.e.> it makes him a hardworking individual. Health, peace of mind, good body> etc all follows that.> > 2) As per Parasara> Ashtamese ashtamaste tu deerkhayushmanjanja se bhavet> Balaheene tu madhyayuH stenascha gurunindakaH> > (Parasara Hora)> [if 8th lord is placed in 8th house then the native will have good> longevity. But if that 8th lord in 8th is weak (due to combustion etc)> then the native will only have moderate longevity. Further if 8th lord> in 8th house is weak then, the native may become a thief or one who> blames his guru]> 8th lord in 8th amplifying the significance of 8th house is natural -> that is

why the statement, 8th lord in 8th will increase longevity. But> it should also be noted that hard work and suffering are also signified> by 8th house - 8th lord in 8th house increases hard work and suffering> as well along with longevity.> Further result derivations following the same track of interpretation> would be much informative. It will also interesting to learn to> identify - suicide, accident death, and murder - based on the strength> of 8th house and 8th lord. I invite further discussion on these.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Dhananjayan Brahma> <abhanaya@> wrote:> >> > Pranams,> > Mr.Anand Jain ji,> >>

> 8th lord in 8th house encourages a person engaged in food production> either directly / indirectly,native with some health problems,pleasant> in their speech,a puritan for outward look but kapadi,perform deeds with> out their family approvals .> >> > The above phalam are some thoughts but subject to the influences /> inferiority exerted on it (8th house and its lord)by other graha and> Bhava.> >> > Regards / Dhananjayan> > [P.S:The above phalams are neither motivational nor pointed towards> any individual(s) ]> >> > --- On Tue, 4/8/09, swarup1068 swarup1068@ wrote:> >> > swarup1068 swarup1068@> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] effects n results when 8th lord> placed in 8th house.> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Tuesday, 4 August, 2009, 5:57 PM> > >> > Respected Astrologers,> >> >> >> > My query is what is the effects aand results when lord of> >> > 8th placed in 8th house.> >> >> >> > Whether Mahadasha or Antar Dasha gives negative results in that> particular case.> >> >> >> > Regards/Anand Jain>

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Dear Anup ji,

 

Sun is 3rd lord and it is in 2nd

house.  So it has aspect so Sun cannot

give death.  Now, Mars is NSD to Sun so

it can be deputed by Sun to step in.

 

Here you are correct that Mars has aspect on 3rd

house A so Mars itself can’t give, but it can come forward as SD for some other

planet.  In this case, Mars is in some

ways linked to Venus as well and in 12th house.  Venus is Natural 2nd lord.  So Ma is NSD to Sun and also SD to

Venus.  So some relation is there of the

MD lord to 3rd and 2nd house, so death and accident Karakatwa.

 

So Ma is deputed by Sun (3rd lord is not capable

to give) due to aspect on House B.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Anup. M

Thursday August 6, 2009 1:46

AM

To:

 

Re:

Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th

house.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear

Ash ji,

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks

for your informative explanation on various charts.

 

 

The

members should spend more time on these for better

 

 

understanding.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Considering

the death, which is very important event, the role of

Mahadasha swami is quite important.The main dasa lord should not

 

 

have

it's sight on the house A B or C.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In

this chart Mars is in 12th house aspecting house A for 8th.

 

 

Even

then Mars MD gave death to the native.Ve Mo and Sa being

 

 

SD

has long way to go for their span.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

We all

know that Guru ji has not given any lesson yet on this topic

 

 

but

if any thing which could clear this will be more helpful.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Regards

 

 

Anup

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ash's Corner <kas wrote:

 

 

 

Ash's Corner <kas

Re: effects n results when 8th lord

placed in 8th house.

,

Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 3:09 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Group,

 

 

 

I came across this chart on another list.

 

 

 

The quote is as follows.

“Friends,

 

This is for your study and collection .

A boy was born with following details.

 

DOB...20th July 2009

Time....4.45 am

POB...70 E 36'00 "

22 N 26'00 " Gujarat India

Time of accident and death...6 am on 20th July 2009. near birth village.

 

 

This boy did not drink mother's milk after birth, so the doctors adviced the

parents to take the child to the nearest city of Rajkot.

Two nurses, mother, father and new born's elder

sister who was 2 year old, all

started off for Rajkot. The ambulance met with an accident after hitting a

cow

that was killed.

All suffered bad injuries but only this new born and his elder sister died on

the spot. Rest of all are living.

 

Please study the chart and if you like, you may discuss the same.

 

Tatvam-Asiâ€

If you cast the chart, I get

Krushna Ayanamsa:

23:6:25

 

Planet

Degrees

 

As

13 Ge

45

 

Su

4 Cn

18

 

Mo

4 Ge

2

 

Ma

12 Ta

23

 

Me

11 Cn 2

 

JuR

2 Aq

5

 

Ve

23 Ta

8

 

Sa

25 Le

4

 

Ra

7 Cp

17

 

Ke

7 Cn 17

 

Antar Dasha at time of Death:

Mars MD and Antardasha

of Venus 2008-Oct-28 thru

2009-Dec-28

 

Hse SAV

Su

Mo Ma

Me Ju

Ve Sa

 

1

29

15

12

15

6

22

20 16

2

23

11

13

20 13

25

11 13

3

26

14

11

18 15

15

26 15

4

28

17

9

13

20

23

19 16

5

22

11

16

12 12

26

19 24

6

33

21

6

24 19

12

13 4

7

30

11

10

16

19

21

27 6

8

24

18

7

14 18

10

22 7

9

25

10

18

17 19

12

21 8

10

35

16 10

11

12

27

18 16

11

34

17

7

21 18

12

10 16

12

28

11

11

16 16

25

25 17

As you can see that the DEATH happened in

the Highest power planet for 8th house.

Sun is 3rd lord (KARAK) for

death and it is aspecting 8th house, so Sun itself cannot

give the result (This is what I had written in my explanation) , and the

samdharmi can give the result.

Mars is natural samdharmi of Sun and it is

not in 1:7 in Rasi or Navamsa (otherwise they come in position of enmity and

cannot become samdharmi)

So MD at time of Birth is Mars

itself. So it can give the result in its MD.

Venus is 5th lord (LoD) POINT 4

in the list of points in the below mail.

Sun was transiting Sign and Nakshatra of

Mo-Me (+/- 13 days difference is acceptable as per laws of KAS)

 

Mercury has 2nd highest power

and Moon is in 1st house with 4 bindus i.e. House E so most eager.

 

Its all like clock work.

I guess you can call this nimita as well. This mail was open in front of me

when I was trying to explain.

Hope that adds some more inputs to this

discussion with practical example.

 

Cheers !!!

 

Ash

 

 

ancient_indian_

astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology @.

com] On Behalf Of Ash's

Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca

Wednesday August 5, 2009

2:36 PM

ancient_indian_ astrology@

. com

[ancient_indian_

astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear

Sreenadh ji,

 

Thank you for your mail.

 

What I am saying and what you are saying based on quotes given in this mail

are not any different. I am giving my comments below yours in RED.

 

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.

ca/> http://www.ashtro.

ca

 

ancient_indian_ astrology

[ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of

Sreenadh

Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:22 AM

ancient_indian_ astrology

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord

placed in 8th house.

 

 

Dear Ash ji,

Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology -

* A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord along

with malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chart

and prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is self

inflicted.

Ash : What I am saying is that IN GENERAL when 8th house is weak, it means

that the native's individuality is very weak. This is the basic point.

There after applying psychology to deduce what that can mean. One way to

look at it is that a weak person might resort to committing suicide provided

other factors support the same. Prashna is application using the " birth

of

a question " instead of " birth of a native " , so Prashna is

application of

Jyotish to a " question " and limited to the question only. The

Prashna

question must be very specific. If a person asks about inheritance in the

Prashna then the result will be different interpretation of 8th house

matter.

 

* A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) with

strong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate death

inflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc.

Ash: A strong 8th house (sign, combustion, AV (yogas) all studied together),

means that is converse of the above. A person when face under adverse

conditions might not give up so easily. He might struggle to overcome the

difficult situation. So in GENERAL death will be of some other cause which

is not suicide or SELF (Karak for 1st) inflicted.

 

* A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th indicate longevity and

survival even in face of danger.

Ash : Basic point in KAS is that when any planet Aspects House A, B or C

i.e. if we are talking of 8th house as the house under focus, then if any

planet aspects 3rd house (A), 8th house (B) or 12th house © then those

planets will not be capable to give the result, their samdharmi can step in.

So, Now if a Benefic (Ju, Ve, Me, Mo) i.e. natural benefics have GENERALLY

more than 4 bindus, in their SAV, then those planets if they ASPECT 8th

house then they cannot give the result themselves.. So mostly they cannot

give their result in the MD. Venus has 20 years in Vim dasha and Ju and Me

also have very long MD's so if they cannot give death and will only give

struggle then as the adage goes, what does not kill u will only make u

stronger :-) So again what I am saying and what " Traditional

Jyotish " is

very much the same.

Now, touching a bit of KAS here, when we compute the TOTAL POWER of A planet

for any house, then we already have considered

1) The yogas (based on relative positioning of planets)

2) Upchay house (A, B, C)

3) Considering Parasparakaraka (Mutual Significators) or 4:10

relationship

4) Give special status to 6th and 10th lords (D and E) by adding 5

points

5) Aspect on House A, B ,C (so in this case, 8th, 3rd and 12th)

6) Aspect on Lords of A, B and C (based on individual chart)

7) We find that for all 7 planets.

8) We can only get SAV once we know all 7 planets and their relative

positioning from each other and lagna.

After doing all the above we get the summation of the POWER, so all the

angles are covered.

These are all standard rules ser per classics.

 

* When the 8th house is moderately strong - the final result will much

depend on environment and influences.

Ash: In KAS we can get power in numerical format. So the strongest power

planet can give death or 1st or 5th lord antra. For natural death, KARAK is

important and so is Mool Karak so 3rd lord and 10th lord, natural 3rd is Me

and Natural 10th is Shani.

It is also said that a person with a very powerful 10th house can have iccha

mrytu. Basic logic is that even if a person is dying, if he is not loosing

his will power and he is fighting then he can be saved or he or she will not

give up easily.

Transits is important for environment and that is considered also via daily

points.

I have written an article on Death the ultimate truth in which I have done

this study.

Also a chart of Souvik dutta's list closure (death) was done by me on this

list. That must be in the archives. Same rules have been used.

 

Note: " Strength of 8th house " can for the sake of simplicity can be

interpreted as " strength of 8th lord itself " . But as per " Hora

swami gurunja

veekshita yuta " sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter

and

Mercury can also import " strength to a house " ; Further the house

lord going

to Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the " strength of

the

house " (as per the sloka " lagna lagnapatau balena sahite......

.....).

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

Ash: Yes, thank for clarifying this, I am also considering the strength as

per Ashtakavarg therefore I am considering the yogas and then to get the

final power I use the rules listed above to get a more detailed picture.

Regarding your point of Guru and Mercury, aspecting a House, then as I said,

if Guru and Mercury aspect 8th house then these planets cannot give death,

therefore 16 years MD of Ju and 17 years get added (barring exceptions).

Similarly Venus if it aspects then 20 years. Benefics have very long MD's .

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Ash ji,

 

 

Thanks for this mail.

 

As we can see every thing is inline like Ve is LoD for 8th house

and being natural karaka for 7th house so accidental death.

 

 

Sun being 3rd lord and Me as natural karaka for 8th here and both

are in 2nd house showing some link with accident..

 

 

Actually my confusion was only related to Mahadasa of Mars which

was running from Dec2003-Dec2010 and as such due to Mars aspect

on 3rd house it could be disqualified.But being NSD to Sun,Mars

gives death in its mahadasa irrespect of sight as per samdharmi rule.

 

 

Regards

Anup

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ash's Corner <kas wrote:

Ash's Corner <kasRE: Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house. Date: Thursday, 6 August, 2009, 7:05 PM

 

 

Dear Anup ji,

 

Sun is 3rd lord and it is in 2nd house. So it has aspect so Sun cannot give death. Now, Mars is NSD to Sun so it can be deputed by Sun to step in.

 

Here you are correct that Mars has aspect on 3rd house A so Mars itself can’t give, but it can come forward as SD for some other planet. In this case, Mars is in some ways linked to Venus as well and in 12th house. Venus is Natural 2nd lord. So Ma is NSD to Sun and also SD to Venus. So some relation is there of the MD lord to 3rd and 2nd house, so death and accident Karakatwa.

 

So Ma is deputed by Sun (3rd lord is not capable to give) due to aspect on House B.

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca

 

 

 

astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.com [astrologyan dtimingevents] On Behalf Of Anup. MThursday August 6, 2009 1:46 AMastrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comRe: [astrologyandtiming events] Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash ji,

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for your informative explanation on various charts.

 

The members should spend more time on these for better

 

understanding.

 

 

 

 

 

Considering the death, which is very important event, the role ofMahadasha swami is quite important.The main dasa lord should not

 

have it's sight on the house A B or C.

 

 

 

 

 

In this chart Mars is in 12th house aspecting house A for 8th.

 

Even then Mars MD gave death to the native.Ve Mo and Sa being

 

SD has long way to go for their span.

 

 

 

 

 

We all know that Guru ji has not given any lesson yet on this topic

 

but if any thing which could clear this will be more helpful.

 

 

 

 

 

Regards

 

Anup

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca <kas wrote:

 

Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca <kas[astrologyandtiming events] Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.ancient_indian_ astrology, astrologyandtiminge vents@ s.comThursday, 6 August, 2009, 3:09 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Group,

 

I came across this chart on another list.

 

The quote is as follows. “Friends,This is for your study and collection .A boy was born with following details.DOB...20th July 2009Time....4.45 amPOB...70 E 36'00"22 N 26'00" Gujarat IndiaTime of accident and death...6 am on 20th July 2009. near birth village.This boy did not drink mother's milk after birth, so the doctors adviced theparents to take the child to the nearest city of Rajkot.Two nurses, mother, father and new born's elder sister who was 2 year old, allstarted off for Rajkot. The ambulance met with an accident after hitting a cowthat was killed.All suffered bad injuries but only this new born and his elder sister died onthe spot. Rest of all are living.Please study the chart and if you like, you may discuss the

same.Tatvam-Asiâ€

If you cast the chart, I get Krushna Ayanamsa: 23:6:25

Planet Degrees

As 13 Ge 45

Su 4 Cn 18

Mo 4 Ge 2

Ma 12 Ta 23

Me 11 Cn 2

JuR 2 Aq 5

Ve 23 Ta 8

Sa 25 Le 4

Ra 7 Cp 17

Ke 7 Cn 17

Antar Dasha at time of Death:

Mars MD and Antardasha of Venus 2008-Oct-28 thru 2009-Dec-28

Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve Sa 1 29 15 12 15 6 22 20 16 2 23 11 13 20 13 25 11 13 3 26 14 11 18 15 15 26 15 4 28 17 9 13 20 23 19 16 5 22 11 16 12 12 26 19 24 6 33 21 6 24 19 12 13 4 7 30 11 10 16 19 21 27 6 8 24 18 7 14 18 10 22 7 9 25 10 18 17 19 12 21 8 10 35 16 10 11 12 27 18 16 11 34 17 7 21 18 12 10 16 12 28 11 11 16 16 25 25 17 As you can see that the DEATH happened in the Highest power planet for 8th house. Sun is 3rd lord (KARAK) for death and it is aspecting 8th house, so Sun itself cannot give the result (This is what I had written in my explanation) , and the samdharmi can give the result. Mars is natural samdharmi of Sun and it is not in 1:7 in Rasi or Navamsa (otherwise they come in position of enmity and cannot become samdharmi) So MD at time of Birth is Mars itself. So it can give the result in its MD. Venus is 5th lord (LoD) POINT 4 in the list of points in the below mail.

Sun was transiting Sign and Nakshatra of Mo-Me (+/- 13 days difference is acceptable as per laws of KAS) Mercury has 2nd highest power and Moon is in 1st house with 4 bindus i.e. House E so most eager. Its all like clock work.

I guess you can call this nimita as well. This mail was open in front of me when I was trying to explain. Hope that adds some more inputs to this discussion with practical example.

Cheers !!!

Ash

 

ancient_indian_ astrology [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) caWednesday August 5, 2009 2:36 PMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.

 

 

 

 

Dear Sreenadh ji,Thank you for your mail.What I am saying and what you are saying based on quotes given in this mailare not any different. I am giving my comments below yours in RED.Cheers !!!Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. caancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] On Behalf Of SreenadhWednesday August 5, 2009 2:22 AMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lordplaced in 8th house.Dear Ash ji, Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology -* A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord alongwith malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chartand prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is selfinflicted.Ash : What I am saying is that IN GENERAL when 8th house is weak, it meansthat the native's individuality is very weak. This is the basic point.There after applying psychology to deduce what that can mean. One way tolook at it is that a weak person might resort to committing suicide providedother factors support the same. Prashna is application

using the "birth ofa question" instead of "birth of a native", so Prashna is application ofJyotish to a "question" and limited to the question only. The Prashnaquestion must be very specific. If a person asks about inheritance in thePrashna then the result will be different interpretation of 8th housematter. * A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) withstrong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate deathinflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc. Ash: A strong 8th house (sign, combustion, AV (yogas) all studied together),means that is converse of the above. A person when face under adverseconditions might not give up so easily. He might struggle to overcome thedifficult situation. So in GENERAL death will be of some other cause whichis not suicide or SELF (Karak for 1st) inflicted. * A strong 8th house with benefic

aspects on 8th indicate longevity andsurvival even in face of danger. Ash : Basic point in KAS is that when any planet Aspects House A, B or Ci.e. if we are talking of 8th house as the house under focus, then if anyplanet aspects 3rd house (A), 8th house (B) or 12th house © then thoseplanets will not be capable to give the result, their samdharmi can step in.So, Now if a Benefic (Ju, Ve, Me, Mo) i.e. natural benefics have GENERALLYmore than 4 bindus, in their SAV, then those planets if they ASPECT 8thhouse then they cannot give the result themselves.. So mostly they cannotgive their result in the MD. Venus has 20 years in Vim dasha and Ju and Mealso have very long MD's so if they cannot give death and will only givestruggle then as the adage goes, what does not kill u will only make ustronger :-) So again what I am saying and what "Traditional Jyotish" isvery much the same. Now, touching a bit of

KAS here, when we compute the TOTAL POWER of A planetfor any house, then we already have considered 1) The yogas (based on relative positioning of planets) 2) Upchay house (A, B, C)3) Considering Parasparakaraka (Mutual Significators) or 4:10relationship4) Give special status to 6th and 10th lords (D and E) by adding 5points5) Aspect on House A, B ,C (so in this case, 8th, 3rd and 12th)6) Aspect on Lords of A, B and C (based on individual chart)7) We find that for all 7 planets. 8) We can only get SAV once we know all 7 planets and their relativepositioning from each other and lagna.After doing all the above we get the summation of the POWER, so all theangles are covered. These are all standard rules ser per classics.* When the 8th house is moderately strong - the final result will muchdepend on environment and influences. Ash: In KAS we can get power in numerical format. So the

strongest powerplanet can give death or 1st or 5th lord antra. For natural death, KARAK isimportant and so is Mool Karak so 3rd lord and 10th lord, natural 3rd is Meand Natural 10th is Shani.It is also said that a person with a very powerful 10th house can have icchamrytu. Basic logic is that even if a person is dying, if he is not loosinghis will power and he is fighting then he can be saved or he or she will notgive up easily.Transits is important for environment and that is considered also via dailypoints. I have written an article on Death the ultimate truth in which I have donethis study. Also a chart of Souvik dutta's list closure (death) was done by me on thislist. That must be in the archives. Same rules have been used.Note: "Strength of 8th house" can for the sake of simplicity can beinterpreted as "strength of 8th lord itself". But as per "Hora swami gurunjaveekshita yuta"

sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter andMercury can also import "strength to a house"; Further the house lord goingto Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the "strength of thehouse" (as per the sloka "lagna lagnapatau balena sahite...... ....). Love and regards,Sreenadh Ash: Yes, thank for clarifying this, I am also considering the strength asper Ashtakavarg therefore I am considering the yogas and then to get thefinal power I use the rules listed above to get a more detailed picture.Regarding your point of Guru and Mercury, aspecting a House, then as I said,if Guru and Mercury aspect 8th house then these planets cannot give death,therefore 16 years MD of Ju and 17 years get added (barring exceptions).Similarly Venus if it aspects then 20 years. Benefics have very long MD's .

 

 

 

 

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Dear Ash ji, Thanks for the informative mail. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Thank you for your mail.> > What I am saying and what you are saying based on quotes given in this mail> are not any different. I am giving my comments below yours in RED.> > > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh> Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:22 AM> > Re: effects n results when 8th lord> placed in 8th house.> > > Dear Ash ji, > Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology -> * A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord along> with malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chart> and prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is self> inflicted.> Ash : What I am saying is that IN GENERAL when 8th house is weak, it means> that the native's individuality is very weak. This is the basic point.> There after applying psychology to deduce what that can mean. One way to> look at it is that a weak person might resort to committing suicide provided> other factors support the same. Prashna is application using the "birth of> a question" instead of "birth of a native", so Prashna is application of> Jyotish to a "question" and limited to the question only. The Prashna> question must be very specific. If a person asks about inheritance in the> Prashna then the result will be different interpretation of 8th house> matter. > > * A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) with> strong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate death> inflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc. > Ash: A strong 8th house (sign, combustion, AV (yogas) all studied together),> means that is converse of the above. A person when face under adverse> conditions might not give up so easily. He might struggle to overcome the> difficult situation. So in GENERAL death will be of some other cause which> is not suicide or SELF (Karak for 1st) inflicted. > > * A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th indicate longevity and> survival even in face of danger. > Ash : Basic point in KAS is that when any planet Aspects House A, B or C> i.e. if we are talking of 8th house as the house under focus, then if any> planet aspects 3rd house (A), 8th house (B) or 12th house © then those> planets will not be capable to give the result, their samdharmi can step in.> So, Now if a Benefic (Ju, Ve, Me, Mo) i.e. natural benefics have GENERALLY> more than 4 bindus, in their SAV, then those planets if they ASPECT 8th> house then they cannot give the result themselves. So mostly they cannot> give their result in the MD. Venus has 20 years in Vim dasha and Ju and Me> also have very long MD's so if they cannot give death and will only give> struggle then as the adage goes, what does not kill u will only make u> stronger :-) So again what I am saying and what "Traditional Jyotish" is> very much the same. > Now, touching a bit of KAS here, when we compute the TOTAL POWER of A planet> for any house, then we already have considered > 1) The yogas (based on relative positioning of planets) > 2) Upchay house (A, B, C)> 3) Considering Parasparakaraka (Mutual Significators) or 4:10> relationship> 4) Give special status to 6th and 10th lords (D and E) by adding 5> points> 5) Aspect on House A, B ,C (so in this case, 8th, 3rd and 12th)> 6) Aspect on Lords of A, B and C (based on individual chart)> 7) We find that for all 7 planets. > 8) We can only get SAV once we know all 7 planets and their relative> positioning from each other and lagna.> After doing all the above we get the summation of the POWER, so all the> angles are covered. > These are all standard rules ser per classics.> > * When the 8th house is moderately strong - the final result will much> depend on environment and influences. > Ash: In KAS we can get power in numerical format. So the strongest power> planet can give death or 1st or 5th lord antra. For natural death, KARAK is> important and so is Mool Karak so 3rd lord and 10th lord, natural 3rd is Me> and Natural 10th is Shani.> It is also said that a person with a very powerful 10th house can have iccha> mrytu. Basic logic is that even if a person is dying, if he is not loosing> his will power and he is fighting then he can be saved or he or she will not> give up easily.> Transits is important for environment and that is considered also via daily> points. > I have written an article on Death the ultimate truth in which I have done> this study. > Also a chart of Souvik dutta's list closure (death) was done by me on this> list. That must be in the archives. Same rules have been used.> > Note: "Strength of 8th house" can for the sake of simplicity can be> interpreted as "strength of 8th lord itself". But as per "Hora swami gurunja> veekshita yuta" sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter and> Mercury can also import "strength to a house"; Further the house lord going> to Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the "strength of the> house" (as per the sloka "lagna lagnapatau balena sahite..........). > Love and regards,> Sreenadh > Ash: Yes, thank for clarifying this, I am also considering the strength as> per Ashtakavarg therefore I am considering the yogas and then to get the> final power I use the rules listed above to get a more detailed picture.> Regarding your point of Guru and Mercury, aspecting a House, then as I said,> if Guru and Mercury aspect 8th house then these planets cannot give death,> therefore 16 years MD of Ju and 17 years get added (barring exceptions).> Similarly Venus if it aspects then 20 years. Benefics have very long MD's .>

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Dear Ash ji, There is no difficulty in explaining the above chart and event since - * The chart has a famous Sadyo Marana Yoga (Yoga indicating sudden death). i.e. Moon is in lagna, and lagna and Moon are hemmed between malefics with another malefic in 8th - this is a very famous death yoga. The death causing plannets are Mars and Ketu, the malefics that hemms Lagna and Moon. * As per vimsottari at the time of death, the child was running Mars Dasa Ketu Antara. The result that can be expected and the result observed are very straight. Without complexity itself we can reach this event straight away.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:>> Dear Group,> > I came across this chart on another list.> > The quote is as follows.> > "Friends,> > This is for your study and collection .> A boy was born with following details.> > DOB...20th July 2009> Time....4.45 am> POB...70 E 36'00"> 22 N 26'00" Gujarat India> Time of accident and death...6 am on 20th July 2009. near birth village.> > > This boy did not drink mother's milk after birth, so the doctors adviced the> parents to take the child to the nearest city of Rajkot.> Two nurses, mother, father and new born's elder sister who was 2 year old,> all> started off for Rajkot. The ambulance met with an accident after hitting a> cow> that was killed.> All suffered bad injuries but only this new born and his elder sister died> on> the spot. Rest of all are living.> > Please study the chart and if you like, you may discuss the same.> > Tatvam-Asi"> > > > If you cast the chart, I get > > Krushna Ayanamsa: 23:6:25> > > Planet Degrees > As 13 Ge 45 > Su 4 Cn 18 > Mo 4 Ge 2 > Ma 12 Ta 23 > Me 11 Cn 2 > JuR 2 Aq 5 > Ve 23 Ta 8 > Sa 25 Le 4 > Ra 7 Cp 17 > Ke 7 Cn 17 > > Antar Dasha at time of Death: > > Mars MD and Antardasha of Venus 2008-Oct-28 thru 2009-Dec-28> > > Hse SAV Su Mo Ma Me Ju Ve> Sa> 1 29 15 12 15 6 22 20> 16> 2 23 11 13 20 13 25 11> 13> 3 26 14 11 18 15 15 26> 15> 4 28 17 9 13 20 23 19> 16> 5 22 11 16 12 12 26 19> 24> 6 33 21 6 24 19 12 13> 4> 7 30 11 10 16 19 21 27> 6> 8 24 18 7 14 18 10 22> 7> 9 25 10 18 17 19 12 21> 8> 10 35 16 10 11 12 27 18> 16> 11 34 17 7 21 18 12 10> 16> 12 28 11 11 16 16 25 25> 17> > > As you can see that the DEATH happened in the Highest power planet for 8th> house.> > Sun is 3rd lord (KARAK) for death and it is aspecting 8th house, so Sun> itself cannot give the result (This is what I had written in my> explanation), and the samdharmi can give the result.> > Mars is natural samdharmi of Sun and it is not in 1:7 in Rasi or Navamsa> (otherwise they come in position of enmity and cannot become samdharmi)> > So MD at time of Birth is Mars itself. So it can give the result in its MD.> > Venus is 5th lord (LoD) POINT 4 in the list of points in the below mail. > > Sun was transiting Sign and Nakshatra of Mo-Me (+/- 13 days difference is> acceptable as per laws of KAS)> > Mercury has 2nd highest power and Moon is in 1st house with 4 bindus i.e.> House E so most eager.> > Its all like clock work. > > I guess you can call this nimita as well. This mail was open in front of me> when I was trying to explain.> > Hope that adds some more inputs to this discussion with practical example.> Cheers !!!> Ash

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Gentlemen,Why are you discussing a MORBID topic like "death of wife" with such great enthusiam? Please stop and get on to a more cheerful topic.

Thanks,

Anita--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house. Date: Friday, 7 August, 2009, 3:34 PM

Dear Ash ji, Thanks for the informative mail. Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Thank you for your mail.> > What I am saying and what you are saying based on quotes given in this mail> are not any different. I am giving my comments below yours in RED.> > > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca> > ancient_indian_ astrology> [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Sreenadh> Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:22 AM> ancient_indian_ astrology>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord> placed in 8th house.> > > Dear Ash ji, > Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology -> * A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord along> with malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chart> and prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is self> inflicted.> Ash : What I am saying is that IN GENERAL when 8th house is weak, it means> that the native's individuality is very weak. This is the basic point.> There after applying psychology to deduce what that can mean. One way to> look at it is that a weak person might resort to committing suicide provided> other factors support the same. Prashna is application using the "birth of> a question" instead of "birth of a native", so Prashna is application

of> Jyotish to a "question" and limited to the question only. The Prashna> question must be very specific. If a person asks about inheritance in the> Prashna then the result will be different interpretation of 8th house> matter. > > * A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) with> strong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate death> inflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc. > Ash: A strong 8th house (sign, combustion, AV (yogas) all studied together),> means that is converse of the above. A person when face under adverse> conditions might not give up so easily. He might struggle to overcome the> difficult situation. So in GENERAL death will be of some other cause which> is not suicide or SELF (Karak for 1st) inflicted. > > * A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th

indicate longevity and> survival even in face of danger. > Ash : Basic point in KAS is that when any planet Aspects House A, B or C> i.e. if we are talking of 8th house as the house under focus, then if any> planet aspects 3rd house (A), 8th house (B) or 12th house © then those> planets will not be capable to give the result, their samdharmi can step in.> So, Now if a Benefic (Ju, Ve, Me, Mo) i.e. natural benefics have GENERALLY> more than 4 bindus, in their SAV, then those planets if they ASPECT 8th> house then they cannot give the result themselves. So mostly they cannot> give their result in the MD. Venus has 20 years in Vim dasha and Ju and Me> also have very long MD's so if they cannot give death and will only give> struggle then as the adage goes, what does not kill u will only make u> stronger :-) So again what I am saying and what "Traditional Jyotish"

is> very much the same. > Now, touching a bit of KAS here, when we compute the TOTAL POWER of A planet> for any house, then we already have considered > 1) The yogas (based on relative positioning of planets) > 2) Upchay house (A, B, C)> 3) Considering Parasparakaraka (Mutual Significators) or 4:10> relationship> 4) Give special status to 6th and 10th lords (D and E) by adding 5> points> 5) Aspect on House A, B ,C (so in this case, 8th, 3rd and 12th)> 6) Aspect on Lords of A, B and C (based on individual chart)> 7) We find that for all 7 planets. > 8) We can only get SAV once we know all 7 planets and their relative> positioning from each other and lagna.> After doing all the above we get the summation of the POWER, so all the> angles are covered. > These are all standard rules ser per classics.> > * When the 8th house is

moderately strong - the final result will much> depend on environment and influences. > Ash: In KAS we can get power in numerical format. So the strongest power> planet can give death or 1st or 5th lord antra. For natural death, KARAK is> important and so is Mool Karak so 3rd lord and 10th lord, natural 3rd is Me> and Natural 10th is Shani.> It is also said that a person with a very powerful 10th house can have iccha> mrytu. Basic logic is that even if a person is dying, if he is not loosing> his will power and he is fighting then he can be saved or he or she will not> give up easily.> Transits is important for environment and that is considered also via daily> points. > I have written an article on Death the ultimate truth in which I have done> this study. > Also a chart of Souvik dutta's list closure (death) was done by me on this> list. That must

be in the archives. Same rules have been used.> > Note: "Strength of 8th house" can for the sake of simplicity can be> interpreted as "strength of 8th lord itself". But as per "Hora swami gurunja> veekshita yuta" sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter and> Mercury can also import "strength to a house"; Further the house lord going> to Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the "strength of the> house" (as per the sloka "lagna lagnapatau balena sahite...... ....). > Love and regards,> Sreenadh > Ash: Yes, thank for clarifying this, I am also considering the strength as> per Ashtakavarg therefore I am considering the yogas and then to get the> final power I use the rules listed above to get a more detailed picture.> Regarding your point of Guru and Mercury, aspecting a House, then as I said,> if Guru and Mercury aspect 8th house

then these planets cannot give death,> therefore 16 years MD of Ju and 17 years get added (barring exceptions).> Similarly Venus if it aspects then 20 years. Benefics have very long MD's .>

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Dear Anita Ji,

 

The beautiful pointers Sreenadh Ji gave for "death of spouse" are very important examples to be studied very deeply. You can see how many questions have come out of it. Till date I never thought that 5L in 7H or 7L in 5H can cause separation, I was not aware of method of calculating Mandi or the importance of the dispositor of Mandi.

 

Also same techniques could be extended to other matters as well. For example:

A Benefic placed in the 5H, aspected by another benefic, unaspected by any malefic can lead to birth of a healthy child.

 

So, if you want happy story then please "reverse" the rules and you will get happy stories instead of morbid ones .

 

So we could say if 7H is occupied by a benefic, aspected by another benefic, unaspected by any malefic, will give a healthy spouse and a happy marriage . If such a planet is also placed in vargas of benefic planets, the result is even better. If the aspecting planets and the planet in the 7H also disposit other benefics, even better. If the said benefics also turn out to be functional benefics, such marriages are made in heaven and enjoyed on Earth..

 

But Anita Ji, problem is:

Jupiter, Venus, Moon, Mercury Vs Saturn, Mars, Rahu, Ketu, Sun.

On top of this both Moon and Me are not dependable because in the presence of Thugs, they behave like Thugs.

 

So in some charts, the equation becomes:

 

Jupiter, Venus Vs Saturn, Mars, Rahu, Ketu, Sun, Moon, Mercury

So either way you look, Bad guys out number the Good Guys !!! Reality Bites !!!

 

Regards,

-Manoj

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Anita R <ash.rsh55 Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 10:07:35 PMRe: Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.

 

 

 

 

 

Gentlemen,Why are you discussing a MORBID topic like "death of wife" with such great enthusiam? Please stop and get on to a more cheerful topic.

Thanks,

Anita--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.ancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, 7 August, 2009, 3:34 PM

Dear Ash ji, Thanks for the informative mail. Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Thank you for your mail.> > What I am saying and what you are saying based on quotes given in this mail> are not any different. I am giving my comments below yours in RED.> > > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca> > ancient_indian_ astrology> [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Sreenadh> Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:22 AM> ancient_indian_ astrology>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord> placed in 8th house.> > > Dear Ash ji, > Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology -> * A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord along> with malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chart> and prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is self> inflicted.> Ash : What I am saying is that IN GENERAL when 8th house is weak, it means> that the native's individuality is very weak. This is the basic point.> There after applying psychology to deduce what that can mean. One way to> look at it is that a weak person might resort to committing suicide provided> other factors support the same. Prashna is application using the "birth of> a question" instead of "birth of a native", so Prashna is application

of> Jyotish to a "question" and limited to the question only. The Prashna> question must be very specific. If a person asks about inheritance in the> Prashna then the result will be different interpretation of 8th house> matter. > > * A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) with> strong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate death> inflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc. > Ash: A strong 8th house (sign, combustion, AV (yogas) all studied together),> means that is converse of the above. A person when face under adverse> conditions might not give up so easily. He might struggle to overcome the> difficult situation. So in GENERAL death will be of some other cause which> is not suicide or SELF (Karak for 1st) inflicted. > > * A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th

indicate longevity and> survival even in face of danger. > Ash : Basic point in KAS is that when any planet Aspects House A, B or C> i.e. if we are talking of 8th house as the house under focus, then if any> planet aspects 3rd house (A), 8th house (B) or 12th house © then those> planets will not be capable to give the result, their samdharmi can step in.> So, Now if a Benefic (Ju, Ve, Me, Mo) i.e. natural benefics have GENERALLY> more than 4 bindus, in their SAV, then those planets if they ASPECT 8th> house then they cannot give the result themselves. So mostly they cannot> give their result in the MD. Venus has 20 years in Vim dasha and Ju and Me> also have very long MD's so if they cannot give death and will only give> struggle then as the adage goes, what does not kill u will only make u> stronger :-) So again what I am saying and what "Traditional Jyotish"

is> very much the same. > Now, touching a bit of KAS here, when we compute the TOTAL POWER of A planet> for any house, then we already have considered > 1) The yogas (based on relative positioning of planets) > 2) Upchay house (A, B, C)> 3) Considering Parasparakaraka (Mutual Significators) or 4:10> relationship> 4) Give special status to 6th and 10th lords (D and E) by adding 5> points> 5) Aspect on House A, B ,C (so in this case, 8th, 3rd and 12th)> 6) Aspect on Lords of A, B and C (based on individual chart)> 7) We find that for all 7 planets. > 8) We can only get SAV once we know all 7 planets and their relative> positioning from each other and lagna.> After doing all the above we get the summation of the POWER, so all the> angles are covered. > These are all standard rules ser per classics.> > * When the 8th house is

moderately strong - the final result will much> depend on environment and influences. > Ash: In KAS we can get power in numerical format. So the strongest power> planet can give death or 1st or 5th lord antra. For natural death, KARAK is> important and so is Mool Karak so 3rd lord and 10th lord, natural 3rd is Me> and Natural 10th is Shani.> It is also said that a person with a very powerful 10th house can have iccha> mrytu. Basic logic is that even if a person is dying, if he is not loosing> his will power and he is fighting then he can be saved or he or she will not> give up easily.> Transits is important for environment and that is considered also via daily> points. > I have written an article on Death the ultimate truth in which I have done> this study. > Also a chart of Souvik dutta's list closure (death) was done by me on this> list. That must

be in the archives. Same rules have been used.> > Note: "Strength of 8th house" can for the sake of simplicity can be> interpreted as "strength of 8th lord itself". But as per "Hora swami gurunja> veekshita yuta" sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter and> Mercury can also import "strength to a house"; Further the house lord going> to Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the "strength of the> house" (as per the sloka "lagna lagnapatau balena sahite...... ....). > Love and regards,> Sreenadh > Ash: Yes, thank for clarifying this, I am also considering the strength as> per Ashtakavarg therefore I am considering the yogas and then to get the> final power I use the rules listed above to get a more detailed picture.> Regarding your point of Guru and Mercury, aspecting a House, then as I said,> if Guru and Mercury aspect 8th house

then these planets cannot give death,> therefore 16 years MD of Ju and 17 years get added (barring exceptions).> Similarly Venus if it aspects then 20 years. Benefics have very long MD's .>

 

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Hi,

Very cheerful response. I think ultimately it is the question of two faces of the same coin. Good and bad, right and wrong, dark and light, truth and lie, high and low are tow faces of the same thing. It depends on which side we are looking at it from , right?

Regards,

Anita--- On Sat, 8/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house. Date: Saturday, 8 August, 2009, 5:41 AM

 

 

 

 

Dear Anita Ji,

 

The beautiful pointers Sreenadh Ji gave for "death of spouse" are very important examples to be studied very deeply. You can see how many questions have come out of it. Till date I never thought that 5L in 7H or 7L in 5H can cause separation, I was not aware of method of calculating Mandi or the importance of the dispositor of Mandi.

 

Also same techniques could be extended to other matters as well. For example:

A Benefic placed in the 5H, aspected by another benefic, unaspected by any malefic can lead to birth of a healthy child.

 

So, if you want happy story then please "reverse" the rules and you will get happy stories instead of morbid ones ..

 

So we could say if 7H is occupied by a benefic, aspected by another benefic, unaspected by any malefic, will give a healthy spouse and a happy marriage . If such a planet is also placed in vargas of benefic planets, the result is even better. If the aspecting planets and the planet in the 7H also disposit other benefics, even better. If the said benefics also turn out to be functional benefics, such marriages are made in heaven and enjoyed on Earth..

 

But Anita Ji, problem is:

Jupiter, Venus, Moon, Mercury Vs Saturn, Mars, Rahu, Ketu, Sun.

On top of this both Moon and Me are not dependable because in the presence of Thugs, they behave like Thugs.

 

So in some charts, the equation becomes:

 

Jupiter, Venus Vs Saturn, Mars, Rahu, Ketu, Sun, Moon, Mercury

So either way you look, Bad guys out number the Good Guys !!! Reality Bites !!!

 

Regards,

-Manoj

Regards,

-Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Anita R <ash.rsh55 >ancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, August 7, 2009 10:07:35 PMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.

 

 

 

 

 

Gentlemen,Why are you discussing a MORBID topic like "death of wife" with such great enthusiam? Please stop and get on to a more cheerful topic.

Thanks,

Anita--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.ancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, 7 August, 2009, 3:34 PM

Dear Ash ji, Thanks for the informative mail. Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Thank you for your mail.> > What I am saying and what you are saying based on quotes given in this mail> are not any different. I am giving my comments below yours in RED.> > > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca> > ancient_indian_ astrology> [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Sreenadh> Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:22 AM> ancient_indian_ astrology>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord> placed in 8th house.> > > Dear Ash ji, > Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology -> * A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord along> with malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chart> and prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is self> inflicted.> Ash : What I am saying is that IN GENERAL when 8th house is weak, it means> that the native's individuality is very weak. This is the basic point.> There after applying psychology to deduce what that can mean. One way to> look at it is that a weak person might resort to committing suicide provided> other factors support the same. Prashna is application using the "birth of> a question" instead of "birth of a native", so Prashna is application

of> Jyotish to a "question" and limited to the question only. The Prashna> question must be very specific. If a person asks about inheritance in the> Prashna then the result will be different interpretation of 8th house> matter. > > * A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) with> strong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate death> inflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc. > Ash: A strong 8th house (sign, combustion, AV (yogas) all studied together),> means that is converse of the above. A person when face under adverse> conditions might not give up so easily. He might struggle to overcome the> difficult situation. So in GENERAL death will be of some other cause which> is not suicide or SELF (Karak for 1st) inflicted. > > * A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th

indicate longevity and> survival even in face of danger. > Ash : Basic point in KAS is that when any planet Aspects House A, B or C> i.e. if we are talking of 8th house as the house under focus, then if any> planet aspects 3rd house (A), 8th house (B) or 12th house © then those> planets will not be capable to give the result, their samdharmi can step in.> So, Now if a Benefic (Ju, Ve, Me, Mo) i.e. natural benefics have GENERALLY> more than 4 bindus, in their SAV, then those planets if they ASPECT 8th> house then they cannot give the result themselves. So mostly they cannot> give their result in the MD. Venus has 20 years in Vim dasha and Ju and Me> also have very long MD's so if they cannot give death and will only give> struggle then as the adage goes, what does not kill u will only make u> stronger :-) So again what I am saying and what "Traditional Jyotish"

is> very much the same. > Now, touching a bit of KAS here, when we compute the TOTAL POWER of A planet> for any house, then we already have considered > 1) The yogas (based on relative positioning of planets) > 2) Upchay house (A, B, C)> 3) Considering Parasparakaraka (Mutual Significators) or 4:10> relationship> 4) Give special status to 6th and 10th lords (D and E) by adding 5> points> 5) Aspect on House A, B ,C (so in this case, 8th, 3rd and 12th)> 6) Aspect on Lords of A, B and C (based on individual chart)> 7) We find that for all 7 planets. > 8) We can only get SAV once we know all 7 planets and their relative> positioning from each other and lagna.> After doing all the above we get the summation of the POWER, so all the> angles are covered. > These are all standard rules ser per classics.> > * When the 8th house is

moderately strong - the final result will much> depend on environment and influences. > Ash: In KAS we can get power in numerical format. So the strongest power> planet can give death or 1st or 5th lord antra. For natural death, KARAK is> important and so is Mool Karak so 3rd lord and 10th lord, natural 3rd is Me> and Natural 10th is Shani.> It is also said that a person with a very powerful 10th house can have iccha> mrytu. Basic logic is that even if a person is dying, if he is not loosing> his will power and he is fighting then he can be saved or he or she will not> give up easily.> Transits is important for environment and that is considered also via daily> points. > I have written an article on Death the ultimate truth in which I have done> this study. > Also a chart of Souvik dutta's list closure (death) was done by me on this> list. That must

be in the archives. Same rules have been used.> > Note: "Strength of 8th house" can for the sake of simplicity can be> interpreted as "strength of 8th lord itself". But as per "Hora swami gurunja> veekshita yuta" sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter and> Mercury can also import "strength to a house"; Further the house lord going> to Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the "strength of the> house" (as per the sloka "lagna lagnapatau balena sahite...... ....). > Love and regards,> Sreenadh > Ash: Yes, thank for clarifying this, I am also considering the strength as> per Ashtakavarg therefore I am considering the yogas and then to get the> final power I use the rules listed above to get a more detailed picture.> Regarding your point of Guru and Mercury, aspecting a House, then as I said,> if Guru and Mercury aspect 8th house

then these planets cannot give death,> therefore 16 years MD of Ju and 17 years get added (barring exceptions).> Similarly Venus if it aspects then 20 years. Benefics have very long MD's .>

 

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Very nice Manoj ji!Anita ji, who would understand and appreciate duality better than we astrologers! The task ahead is to be able to create awareness and acceptance about it in people's minds, and reduce their suffering. :-)

RegardsNeelam2009/8/8 Anita R <ash.rsh55

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi,

Very cheerful response. I think ultimately it is the question of two faces of the same coin. Good and bad, right and wrong, dark and light, truth and lie, high and low are tow faces of the same thing. It depends on which side we are looking at it from , right?

Regards,

Anita--- On Sat, 8/8/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manojRe: Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.

Date: Saturday, 8 August, 2009, 5:41 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Anita Ji,

 

The beautiful pointers Sreenadh Ji gave for " death of spouse " are very important examples to be studied very deeply. You can see how many questions have come out of it. Till date I never thought that 5L in 7H or 7L in 5H can cause separation, I was not aware of method of calculating Mandi or the importance of the dispositor of Mandi.

 

Also same techniques could be extended to other matters as well. For example:

  

A Benefic placed in the 5H, aspected by another benefic, unaspected by any malefic can lead to birth of a healthy child.

 

So, if you want happy story then please " reverse " the rules and you will get happy stories instead of morbid ones ..

 

So we could say if 7H is occupied by a benefic, aspected by another benefic, unaspected by any malefic, will give a healthy spouse  and a happy marriage . If such a planet is also placed in vargas of benefic planets, the result is even better. If the aspecting planets and the planet in the 7H also disposit other benefics, even better. If the said benefics also turn out to be functional benefics, such marriages are made in heaven and enjoyed on Earth..

 

But Anita Ji, problem is:

 Jupiter, Venus, Moon, Mercury  Vs Saturn, Mars, Rahu, Ketu, Sun.

On top of this both Moon and Me are not dependable because in the presence of Thugs, they behave like Thugs.

 

So in some charts, the equation becomes:

 

Jupiter, Venus   Vs Saturn, Mars, Rahu, Ketu, Sun, Moon, Mercury 

So either way you look, Bad guys out number the Good Guys !!!  Reality Bites !!!

 

Regards,

 -Manoj

  

Regards,

 -Manoj

 

 

 

 

 

Anita R <ash.rsh55 >ancient_indian_ astrologyFriday, August 7, 2009 10:07:35 PM

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house. 

 

 

 

 

 

Gentlemen,Why are you discussing a MORBID topic like " death of wife " with such great enthusiam? Please stop and get on to a more cheerful topic.

Thanks,

Anita--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog >[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord placed in 8th house.ancient_indian_ astrology

Friday, 7 August, 2009, 3:34 PM

 

Dear Ash ji,   Thanks for the informative mail. Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote:

>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Thank you for your mail.> > What I am saying and what you are saying based on quotes given in this mail> are not any different. I am giving my comments below yours in RED.

> > > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca/> http://www.ashtro. ca>

> ancient_indian_ astrology> [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Sreenadh> Wednesday August 5, 2009 2:22 AM

> ancient_indian_ astrology>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: effects n results when 8th lord> placed in 8th house.> > > Dear Ash ji, > Thanks for the informative post. As per traditional astrology -> * A weak 8th house (i.e. a weak, debilitated or combusted 8th lord along

> with malefic aspects on 8th) indicate suicidal tendencies - In natal chart> and prashana the same can indicate suicide. Here the death is self> inflicted.> Ash : What I am saying is that IN GENERAL when 8th house is weak, it means

> that the native's individuality is very weak. This is the basic point.> There after applying psychology to deduce what that can mean. One way to> look at it is that a weak person might resort to committing suicide provided

> other factors support the same. Prashna is application using the " birth of> a question " instead of " birth of a native " , so Prashna is application

of> Jyotish to a " question " and limited to the question only. The Prashna> question must be very specific. If a person asks about inheritance in the> Prashna then the result will be different interpretation of 8th house

> matter. > > * A strong 8th house (i.e. strong, in own house or exalted 8th lord) with> strong malefic aspects and combination indicating danger can indicate death> inflicted by external causes - i.e. it could be accident, murder etc.

> Ash: A strong 8th house (sign, combustion, AV (yogas) all studied together),> means that is converse of the above. A person when face under adverse> conditions might not give up so easily. He might struggle to overcome the

> difficult situation. So in GENERAL death will be of some other cause which> is not suicide or SELF (Karak for 1st) inflicted. > > * A strong 8th house with benefic aspects on 8th

indicate longevity and> survival even in face of danger. > Ash : Basic point in KAS is that when any planet Aspects House A, B or C> i.e. if we are talking of 8th house as the house under focus, then if any

> planet aspects 3rd house (A), 8th house (B) or 12th house © then those> planets will not be capable to give the result, their samdharmi can step in.> So, Now if a Benefic (Ju, Ve, Me, Mo) i.e. natural benefics have GENERALLY

> more than 4 bindus, in their SAV, then those planets if they ASPECT 8th> house then they cannot give the result themselves. So mostly they cannot> give their result in the MD. Venus has 20 years in Vim dasha and Ju and Me

> also have very long MD's so if they cannot give death and will only give> struggle then as the adage goes, what does not kill u will only make u> stronger :-) So again what I am saying and what " Traditional Jyotish "

is> very much the same. > Now, touching a bit of KAS here, when we compute the TOTAL POWER of A planet> for any house, then we already have considered > 1) The yogas (based on relative positioning of planets)

> 2) Upchay house (A, B, C)> 3) Considering Parasparakaraka (Mutual Significators) or 4:10> relationship> 4) Give special status to 6th and 10th lords (D and E) by adding 5> points> 5) Aspect on House A, B ,C (so in this case, 8th, 3rd and 12th)

> 6) Aspect on Lords of A, B and C (based on individual chart)> 7) We find that for all 7 planets. > 8) We can only get SAV once we know all 7 planets and their relative> positioning from each other and lagna.

> After doing all the above we get the summation of the POWER, so all the> angles are covered. > These are all standard rules ser per classics.> > * When the 8th house is

moderately strong - the final result will much> depend on environment and influences. > Ash: In KAS we can get power in numerical format. So the strongest power> planet can give death or 1st or 5th lord antra. For natural death, KARAK is

> important and so is Mool Karak so 3rd lord and 10th lord, natural 3rd is Me> and Natural 10th is Shani.> It is also said that a person with a very powerful 10th house can have iccha> mrytu. Basic logic is that even if a person is dying, if he is not loosing

> his will power and he is fighting then he can be saved or he or she will not> give up easily.> Transits is important for environment and that is considered also via daily> points. > I have written an article on Death the ultimate truth in which I have done

> this study. > Also a chart of Souvik dutta's list closure (death) was done by me on this> list. That must

be in the archives. Same rules have been used.> > Note: " Strength of 8th house " can for the sake of simplicity can be> interpreted as " strength of 8th lord itself " . But as per " Hora swami gurunja

> veekshita yuta " sloka of Brihatjjataka, aspect of house lord, Jupiter and> Mercury can also import " strength to a house " ; Further the house lord going> to Upachaya (3-6-10-11) from that house also increases the " strength of the

> house " (as per the sloka " lagna lagnapatau balena sahite...... ....). > Love and regards,> Sreenadh > Ash: Yes, thank for clarifying this, I am also considering the strength as> per Ashtakavarg therefore I am considering the yogas and then to get the

> final power I use the rules listed above to get a more detailed picture.> Regarding your point of Guru and Mercury, aspecting a House, then as I said,> if Guru and Mercury aspect 8th house

then these planets cannot give death,> therefore 16 years MD of Ju and 17 years get added (barring exceptions).> Similarly Venus if it aspects then 20 years. Benefics have very long MD's .>

 

 

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Dear Anita ji, It is because good and bad everything is part of life. If we cannot accept life as is we cannot accept astrology as well. Mostly it is not when encountered with good events that people approach astrologer, but in case of distress and bad events. If the astrologer himself lacks the strength of will and cannot face reality as is, how he is going to guide the qurrent? As I always used to say, it is not the subject that matters, but our own consciousness. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote:>> Gentlemen,> Why are you discussing a MORBID topic like "death of wife" with such great enthusiam? Please stop and get on to a more cheerful topic. > Thanks,> Anita

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Dear Manoj ji, Beautiful! That is one of the best mails I have seen for long! Love and regards,Sreenadh , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:Dear Anita Ji,

 

The beautiful pointers Sreenadh Ji gave for "death of spouse"

are very important examples to be studied very deeply. You can see how

many questions have come out of it. Till date I never thought that

5L in 7H or 7L in 5H can cause separation, I was not aware of method of

calculating Mandi or the importance of the dispositor of Mandi.

 

Also same techniques could be extended to other matters as well. For example:

A Benefic placed in the 5H, aspected by another benefic, unaspected by any malefic can lead to birth of a healthy child.

 

So, if you want happy story then please "reverse" the rules and you will get happy stories instead of morbid ones .

 

So we could say if 7H is occupied by a benefic, aspected by

another benefic, unaspected by any malefic, will give a healthy spouse and a happy marriage .

If such a planet is also placed in vargas of benefic planets, the

result is even better. If the aspecting planets and the planet in the

7H also disposit other benefics, even better. If the said benefics also turn out to be functional benefics, such marriages are made in heaven and enjoyed on Earth..

 

But Anita Ji, problem is:

Jupiter, Venus, Moon, Mercury Vs Saturn, Mars, Rahu, Ketu, Sun.

On top of this both Moon and Me are not dependable because in the presence of Thugs, they behave like Thugs.

 

So in some charts, the equation becomes:

 

Jupiter, Venus Vs Saturn, Mars, Rahu, Ketu, Sun, Moon, Mercury

So either way you look, Bad guys out number the Good Guys !!! Reality Bites !!!

 

Regards,

-Manoj

 

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