Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji Sorry... forgot to give birth data. Natal Chart November 6, 1954 Time: 4:10:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 80 E 02' 00 " , 7 N 28' 00 " Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka blessings, Renu , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji, > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and Sun debilitated. > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted benefic and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems. > > But she has two nice daughters. > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H. > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H. > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her 2nd daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted Mars in 5H do this? > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then, Me becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being deprived of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is placed in house of wealth, 2H? > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them. 7HL though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the reason why beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns 3H & 8H, destructive to 2H indications. > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H. > > What is the cause of her misfortune...exalted planets aspecting each other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed adversely or both? > > blessings, > > Renu > > > , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > dear manoj ji > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8 > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva sidhas > > and agastay too ) > > > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv me > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each other > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking crowd > > ) > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and may b > > we can see it > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear manoj Ji > > > > > > Thanks for ur good words > > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not spoil > > that > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja yogas > > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and some > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha purusha > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets spoils > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there > > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra ( like > > sat > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th House > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga > > according > > > to varahamihira ) > > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt the > > dictums > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav like > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any of the > > > charts ) > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Chandran > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not make a > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs to be > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say " Retrograde Exalted > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated " . This is obviously not true > > in > > > this chart either. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely when I > > > find some time. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > renunw renunw@ > > > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM > > > > Re: Exalted Malefics in > > sensitive > > > Bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he > > is > > > 38 yrs old // > > > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married in > > 1981, > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married. > > > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on > > > avasthas and various other factors. > > > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may have > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after marriage. > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding the > > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions in > > > various organizations currently. > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear renu ji > > > > > > > > > > sure thanks > > > > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic > > > > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he > > is > > > 38 > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly only > > > and it > > > > > is one of his traits ) > > > > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as moon is > > > with a > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet > > > > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th House and > > > 9th > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th House > > > > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its dasa > > and > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta ) > > > > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House > > > > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim ) > > > > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta . > > > > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said Placements > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along with amsa > > > .s > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's > > > > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing > > > happened > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 > > > and > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number > > of > > > > > promotions... .. rising to the highest position in his > > > > > career.##### ######### > > > > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd Lord > > and > > > it > > > > > is dhana yoga combo > > > > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord venus > > > > > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success in > > > profession > > > > > b4 and after marriage . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > > <renunw@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra malefic > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember Sreenadh > > ji > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa MD, he > > > got > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to him..so > > > says > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 and > > > throughout > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of promotions.. .. > > > rising > > > > > to the highest position in his career. > > > > > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving 3rd, > > > 6th, > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself. But > > now > > > no > > > > > major problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be > > > familiar > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange of 5th > > and > > > 7th > > > > > lords. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka. > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was also > > > one of > > > > > our > > > > > > > discussion points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in > > navamsa > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart it is > > > > > highly > > > > > > > appreciable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or older > > > > > looking or > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the relationship/ > > > marriage > > > > > is > > > > > > > long lasting?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. The > > wife > > > of > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older looking or > > > > > older. > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5 years > > > younger > > > > > to > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship. They > > got > > > > > married > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954 > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00 > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are > > > separative > > > > > and > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what about > > > when > > > > > these > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in > > Libra? > > > Does > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner and > > > hence > > > > > the > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with that > > > strong > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or > > > older > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence the > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some one > > > also > > > > > ran/is > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dear Renu ji,Can you count the Dhan yogas in this chart? Both from lagna and moon?Have you noticed the empty kendras, both in D-1 and D-10?Basic principles we must not forget, weather exalted or debllitated, Benefics are not good in 3/6/8/12 and when in these houses, they spoil the significations of their houses and signs.Malefics are not good in any house except 3/6/11 and they spoil the significations of the house they are posited in. e.g. Mars is a strong malefic (natural as well as functional) in 5H, hence will be harmful for 5H. RegardsNeelam2009/7/28 renunw <renunw Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji Sorry... forgot to give birth data. Natal Chart November 6, 1954 Time: 4:10:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 80 E 02' 00 " , 7 N 28' 00 " Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka blessings, Renu , " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji, > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and Sun debilitated. > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted benefic and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems. > > But she has two nice daughters. > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H. > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H. > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her 2nd daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted Mars in 5H do this? > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then, Me becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being deprived of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is placed in house of wealth, 2H? > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them. 7HL though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the reason why beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns 3H & 8H, destructive to 2H indications. > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H. > > What is the cause of her misfortune...exalted planets aspecting each other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed adversely or both? > > blessings, > > Renu > > > , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > dear manoj ji > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8 > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva sidhas > > and agastay too ) > > > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv me > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each other > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking crowd > > ) > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and may b > > we can see it > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > , " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear manoj Ji > > > > > > Thanks for ur good words > > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not spoil > > that > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja yogas > > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and some > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha purusha > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets spoils > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there > > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra ( like > > sat > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th House > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga > > according > > > to varahamihira ) > > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt the > > dictums > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav like > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any of the > > > charts ) > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > , Manoj Chandran > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not make a > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs to be > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say " Retrograde Exalted > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated " . This is obviously not true > > in > > > this chart either. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely when I > > > find some time. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > renunw renunw@ > > > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM > > > > Re: Exalted Malefics in > > sensitive > > > Bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he > > is > > > 38 yrs old // > > > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married in > > 1981, > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married. > > > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on > > > avasthas and various other factors. > > > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may have > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after marriage. > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding the > > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions in > > > various organizations currently. > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear renu ji > > > > > > > > > > sure thanks > > > > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic > > > > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he > > is > > > 38 > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly only > > > and it > > > > > is one of his traits ) > > > > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as moon is > > > with a > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet > > > > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th House and > > > 9th > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th House > > > > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its dasa > > and > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta ) > > > > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House > > > > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim ) > > > > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta . > > > > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said Placements > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along with amsa > > > .s > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's > > > > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing > > > happened > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 > > > and > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number > > of > > > > > promotions... .. rising to the highest position in his > > > > > career.##### ######### > > > > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd Lord > > and > > > it > > > > > is dhana yoga combo > > > > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord venus > > > > > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success in > > > profession > > > > > b4 and after marriage . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > > <renunw@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra malefic > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember Sreenadh > > ji > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa MD, he > > > got > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to him..so > > > says > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 and > > > throughout > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of promotions.. .. > > > rising > > > > > to the highest position in his career. > > > > > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving 3rd, > > > 6th, > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself. But > > now > > > no > > > > > major problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be > > > familiar > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange of 5th > > and > > > 7th > > > > > lords. > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka. > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was also > > > one of > > > > > our > > > > > > > discussion points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in > > navamsa > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart it is > > > > > highly > > > > > > > appreciable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or older > > > > > looking or > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the relationship/ > > > marriage > > > > > is > > > > > > > long lasting?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. The > > wife > > > of > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older looking or > > > > > older. > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5 years > > > younger > > > > > to > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship. They > > got > > > > > married > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954 > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00 > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are > > > separative > > > > > and > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what about > > > when > > > > > these > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in > > Libra? > > > Does > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner and > > > hence > > > > > the > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with that > > > strong > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or > > > older > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence the > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some one > > > also > > > > > ran/is > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Respected Renu ji, It is my observation that the exalted planets make the native advance in spiritual field and social field but not in material field. The material is obtained only through wrong means, particularly in Kaliyuga. Even Shree Ram had to suffer due to exalted planets. Regards --- On Tue, 7/28/09, renunw <renunw wrote: > renunw <renunw > Re: Exalted Malefics in sensitive Bhavas > > Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 11:45 AM > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji > > Sorry... forgot to give birth data. > > Natal Chart > > Date: November 6, 1954 > Time: 4:10:00 > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > Place: 80 E 02' 00 " , > 7 N 28' 00 " > > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka > > blessings, > > Renu > > > > , > " renunw " <renunw wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji, > > > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, > namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and Sun debilitated. > > > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between > an exalted benefic and an exalted malefic. Native has many > financial problems. > > > > But she has two nice daughters. > > > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H. > > > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H. > > > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the > confinement of her 2nd daughter and the result was she could > conceive no more. Did exalted Mars in 5H do this? > > > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct > with Sa & Su. Then, Me becomes a retrograde malefic. Is > that the reason why she is being deprived of wealth though > Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is placed in > house of wealth, 2H? > > > > Husband owns good property but not interested in > improving them. 7HL though exalted in 11H, is aspected by > exalted Mars. Is this the reason why beneficial results from > exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns 3H & 8H, > destructive to 2H indications. > > > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is > retrograde in 3H. > > > > What is the cause of her misfortune...exalted planets > aspecting each other or Lagna and 9th house lords being > retrograde and placed adversely or both? > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > , > " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > dear manoj ji > > > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology > one of the gr8 > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i > am fan of saiva sidhas > > > and agastay too ) > > > > > > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy > brothers pls forgiv me > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted > planets aspects each other > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for > Non tamil speaking crowd > > > ) > > > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any > charts pls post it and may b > > > we can see it > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > , > " sunil nair " > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear manoj Ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur good words > > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in > kendras need not spoil > > > that > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha > maha purusha raja yogas > > > > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted > Mars in Lagna and some > > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all > this is various Maha purusha > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont > see such planets spoils > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv > factors r there > > > > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted > planets In kendra ( like > > > sat > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu > in capri ( the 4th House > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in > kendra is sarpa yoga > > > according > > > > to varahamihira ) > > > > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very > importent things abt the > > > dictums > > > > propogated by many that of exalted > vakra planets that they behav like > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is > almost not working any of the > > > > charts ) > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > , > Manoj Chandran > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > This example is great in showing us > that one factor does not make a > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that > the whole chart needs to be > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics > say " Retrograde Exalted > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated " . > This is obviously not true > > > in > > > > this chart either. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will > look in to it closely when I > > > > find some time. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > renunw renunw@ > > > > > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM > > > > > Re: > Exalted Malefics in > > > sensitive > > > > Bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of > delaying the marriage till he > > > is > > > > 38 yrs old // > > > > > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born > in 1954 and got married in > > > 1981, > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got > married. > > > > > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the > educative mail elaborating on > > > > avasthas and various other factors. > > > > > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 > years of age. You may have > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in > profession after marriage. > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational > company, and now holding the > > > > same position in another company. Holds some > important positions in > > > > various organizations currently. > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . com, " sunil nair " > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > sure thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of > delaying the marriage till he > > > is > > > > 38 > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable > marriage ( as sat movs slowly only > > > > and it > > > > > > is one of his traits ) > > > > > > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more > stronger than original one as moon is > > > > with a > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet > > > > > > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act > like Lagna Lord in 9th House and > > > > 9th > > > > > > House is place of Luck and > supporting good traits of 9th House > > > > > > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was > behaving badly during its dasa > > > and > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and > venus was bala avasta ) > > > > > > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House > > > > > > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is > good ( dont take verbatim ) > > > > > > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta . > > > > > > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered > ,that is why i said Placements > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects > shud b considered along with amsa > > > > .s > > > > > > for delinating each charts and > dasa 's > > > > > > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will > giv some of its traits and > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th > February 1981 [the best thing > > > > happened > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], > fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 > > > > and > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got > so many perks and quite a number > > > of > > > > > > promotions... .. rising to the > highest position in his > > > > > > career.##### ######### > > > > > > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm > Lagna and aspected by 2nd Lord > > > and > > > > it > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo > > > > > > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna > Lord aspected By 9th Lord venus > > > > > > > > > > > > Any details abt his father > ,childhood and also his success in > > > > profession > > > > > > b4 and after marriage . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > . com, " renunw " > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could > be correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best period in his life > had been the exalted vakra malefic > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a > malefic????? ? [remember Sreenadh > > > ji > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is > malefic or benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job > with the commencement of Sa MD, he > > > > got > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the > best thing happened to him..so > > > > says > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and > a son in 1983 and 1984 and > > > > throughout > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and > quite a number of promotions.. .. > > > > rising > > > > > > to the highest position in his > career. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in > Mercury-Venus period involving 3rd, > > > > 6th, > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly > sicknesses.. .to son and himself. But > > > now > > > > no > > > > > > major problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's > chart though some of you may be > > > > familiar > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it > under the topic exchange of 5th > > > and > > > > 7th > > > > > > lords. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in > Colombo, Sri Lanka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology, " sunil nair " > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat > dasa as vakra malefics dasa was also > > > > one of > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > discussion points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far > correct is his birth time as in > > > navamsa > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day > of marriage and his wife's chart it is > > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > appreciable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > astrology, " renunw " > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in > Libra in 7H give, may be an older or older > > > > > > looking or > > > > > > > > mature partner who is > dependable and hence the relationship/ > > > > marriage > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > long lasting?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a > male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. The > > > wife > > > > of > > > > > > > > this person is mature > and dependable, but not older looking or > > > > > > older. > > > > > > > > But she has a well built > physique. In fact, she is 5 years > > > > younger > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > this native. They have a > very good normal relationship. They > > > got > > > > > > married > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are > interested, let me give you his birth data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 1, > 1954 > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00 > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 > (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' > 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know > that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are > > > > separative > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > function poorly when > placed in the 7th Bhava? But what about > > > > when > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. > Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in > > > Libra? > > > > Does > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a > very confident yet dominant partner and > > > > hence > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Native benefits because > he/she is able to deal well with that > > > > strong > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in > Libra in 7H give, may be an older or > > > > older > > > > > > > > looking or mature > partner who is dependable and hence the > > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage > is long lasting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one > have examples of such charts where some one > > > > also > > > > > > ran/is > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of > such a planet? Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dear Kursija ji, Thanks for you observations. I think each case differs from one another. If such natives have sufficient material comforts, they will be deprived of mental comforts. At the end they invariably seek spiritual contentment. Hence, I would say exalted planets in a chart is a blessings in a disguise. blessings, Renu , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > > Respected Renu ji, > It is my observation that the exalted planets make the native advance in spiritual field and social field but not in material field. The material is obtained only through wrong means, particularly in Kaliyuga. Even Shree Ram had to suffer due to exalted planets. > Regards > > --- On Tue, 7/28/09, renunw <renunw wrote: > > > renunw <renunw > > Re: Exalted Malefics in sensitive Bhavas > > > > Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 11:45 AM > > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji > > > > Sorry... forgot to give birth data. > > > > Natal Chart > > > > Date: November 6, 1954 > > Time: 4:10:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 80 E 02' 00 " , > > 7 N 28' 00 " > > > > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > , > > " renunw " <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji, > > > > > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, > > namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and Sun debilitated. > > > > > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between > > an exalted benefic and an exalted malefic. Native has many > > financial problems. > > > > > > But she has two nice daughters. > > > > > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H. > > > > > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H. > > > > > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the > > confinement of her 2nd daughter and the result was she could > > conceive no more. Did exalted Mars in 5H do this? > > > > > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct > > with Sa & Su. Then, Me becomes a retrograde malefic. Is > > that the reason why she is being deprived of wealth though > > Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is placed in > > house of wealth, 2H? > > > > > > Husband owns good property but not interested in > > improving them. 7HL though exalted in 11H, is aspected by > > exalted Mars. Is this the reason why beneficial results from > > exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns 3H & 8H, > > destructive to 2H indications. > > > > > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is > > retrograde in 3H. > > > > > > What is the cause of her misfortune...exalted planets > > aspecting each other or Lagna and 9th house lords being > > retrograde and placed adversely or both? > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > , > > " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear manoj ji > > > > > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology > > one of the gr8 > > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i > > am fan of saiva sidhas > > > > and agastay too ) > > > > > > > > > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy > > brothers pls forgiv me > > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted > > planets aspects each other > > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for > > Non tamil speaking crowd > > > > ) > > > > > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any > > charts pls post it and may b > > > > we can see it > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " sunil nair " > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear manoj Ji > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur good words > > > > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in > > kendras need not spoil > > > > that > > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha > > maha purusha raja yogas > > > > > > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted > > Mars in Lagna and some > > > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all > > this is various Maha purusha > > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont > > see such planets spoils > > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv > > factors r there > > > > > > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted > > planets In kendra ( like > > > > sat > > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu > > in capri ( the 4th House > > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in > > kendra is sarpa yoga > > > > according > > > > > to varahamihira ) > > > > > > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very > > importent things abt the > > > > dictums > > > > > propogated by many that of exalted > > vakra planets that they behav like > > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is > > almost not working any of the > > > > > charts ) > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > Manoj Chandran > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This example is great in showing us > > that one factor does not make a > > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that > > the whole chart needs to be > > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics > > say " Retrograde Exalted > > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated " . > > This is obviously not true > > > > in > > > > > this chart either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will > > look in to it closely when I > > > > > find some time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > renunw renunw@ > > > > > > > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM > > > > > > Re: > > Exalted Malefics in > > > > sensitive > > > > > Bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of > > delaying the marriage till he > > > > is > > > > > 38 yrs old // > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born > > in 1954 and got married in > > > > 1981, > > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got > > married. > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the > > educative mail elaborating on > > > > > avasthas and various other factors. > > > > > > > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 > > years of age. You may have > > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in > > profession after marriage. > > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational > > company, and now holding the > > > > > same position in another company. Holds some > > important positions in > > > > > various organizations currently. > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com, " sunil nair " > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or > > malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of > > delaying the marriage till he > > > > is > > > > > 38 > > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable > > marriage ( as sat movs slowly only > > > > > and it > > > > > > > is one of his traits ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more > > stronger than original one as moon is > > > > > with a > > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act > > like Lagna Lord in 9th House and > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > House is place of Luck and > > supporting good traits of 9th House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was > > behaving badly during its dasa > > > > and > > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and > > venus was bala avasta ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is > > good ( dont take verbatim ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered > > ,that is why i said Placements > > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects > > shud b considered along with amsa > > > > > .s > > > > > > > for delinating each charts and > > dasa 's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will > > giv some of its traits and > > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect > > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th > > February 1981 [the best thing > > > > > happened > > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], > > fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 > > > > > and > > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got > > so many perks and quite a number > > > > of > > > > > > > promotions... .. rising to the > > highest position in his > > > > > > > career.##### ######### > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm > > Lagna and aspected by 2nd Lord > > > > and > > > > > it > > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna > > Lord aspected By 9th Lord venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any details abt his father > > ,childhood and also his success in > > > > > profession > > > > > > > b4 and after marriage . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ > > . com, " renunw " > > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could > > be correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best period in his life > > had been the exalted vakra malefic > > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a > > malefic????? ? [remember Sreenadh > > > > ji > > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is > > malefic or benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job > > with the commencement of Sa MD, he > > > > > got > > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the > > best thing happened to him..so > > > > > says > > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and > > a son in 1983 and 1984 and > > > > > throughout > > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and > > quite a number of promotions.. .. > > > > > rising > > > > > > > to the highest position in his > > career. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in > > Mercury-Venus period involving 3rd, > > > > > 6th, > > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly > > sicknesses.. .to son and himself. But > > > > now > > > > > no > > > > > > > major problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's > > chart though some of you may be > > > > > familiar > > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it > > under the topic exchange of 5th > > > > and > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > lords. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in > > Colombo, Sri Lanka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology, " sunil nair " > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat > > dasa as vakra malefics dasa was also > > > > > one of > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > discussion points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far > > correct is his birth time as in > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day > > of marriage and his wife's chart it is > > > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > > appreciable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > astrology, " renunw " > > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in > > Libra in 7H give, may be an older or older > > > > > > > looking or > > > > > > > > > mature partner who is > > dependable and hence the relationship/ > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > long lasting?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a > > male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. The > > > > wife > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > this person is mature > > and dependable, but not older looking or > > > > > > > older. > > > > > > > > > But she has a well built > > physique. In fact, she is 5 years > > > > > younger > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > this native. They have a > > very good normal relationship. They > > > > got > > > > > > > married > > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are > > interested, let me give you his birth data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 1, > > 1954 > > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00 > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 > > (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' > > 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know > > that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are > > > > > separative > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > function poorly when > > placed in the 7th Bhava? But what about > > > > > when > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. > > Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in > > > > Libra? > > > > > Does > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a > > very confident yet dominant partner and > > > > > hence > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Native benefits because > > he/she is able to deal well with that > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in > > Libra in 7H give, may be an older or > > > > > older > > > > > > > > > looking or mature > > partner who is dependable and hence the > > > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage > > is long lasting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one > > have examples of such charts where some one > > > > > also > > > > > > > ran/is > > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of > > such a planet? Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, Thanks for reminding the basics..inexperience makes me forget these things. Yes, in this chart neither any benefic in kendras nor any malefic in 3,6, or 11. I suppose you meant D-1 & D-9, where you get empty kendras in this particular chart. The only Dhana Yoga I can see is the conjunction of LL and 5HL in 2H. LL is retrograde and afflicted by 12HL debilitated Sun too. Even from Moon rashi it is the same combo in 9H. Hence, basically no Dhana yoga activated in this chart. Thanks...each exercise is a learning tool. blessings, Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Renu ji, > > Can you count the Dhan yogas in this chart? Both from lagna and moon? > > Have you noticed the empty kendras, both in D-1 and D-10? > > Basic principles we must not forget, weather exalted or debllitated, > Benefics are not good in 3/6/8/12 and when in these houses, they spoil the > significations of their houses and signs. > Malefics are not good in any house except 3/6/11 and they spoil the > significations of the house they are posited in. > e.g. Mars is a strong malefic (natural as well as functional) in 5H, hence > will be harmful for 5H. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/7/28 renunw <renunw > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji > > > > Sorry... forgot to give birth data. > > > > Natal Chart > > > > November 6, 1954 > > > > Time: 4:10:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 80 E 02' 00 " , 7 N 28' 00 " > > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " renunw " <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji, > > > > > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and Sun > > debilitated. > > > > > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted benefic > > and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems. > > > > > > But she has two nice daughters. > > > > > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H. > > > > > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H. > > > > > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her 2nd > > daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted Mars in > > 5H do this? > > > > > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then, Me > > becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being deprived > > of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is placed in > > house of wealth, 2H? > > > > > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them. 7HL > > though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the reason why > > beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns 3H & > > 8H, destructive to 2H indications. > > > > > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H. > > > > > > What is the cause of her misfortune...exalted planets aspecting each > > other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed adversely or > > both? > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear manoj ji > > > > > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8 > > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva sidhas > > > > and agastay too ) > > > > > > > > > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv me > > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each other > > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking crowd > > > > ) > > > > > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and may b > > > > we can see it > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " sunil nair " > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear manoj Ji > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur good words > > > > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not spoil > > > > that > > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja yogas > > > > > > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and some > > > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha purusha > > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets spoils > > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there > > > > > > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra ( like > > > > sat > > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th House > > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga > > > > according > > > > > to varahamihira ) > > > > > > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt the > > > > dictums > > > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav like > > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any of > > the > > > > > charts ) > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > Manoj Chandran > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not make a > > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs to > > be > > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say " Retrograde Exalted > > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated " . This is obviously not true > > > > in > > > > > this chart either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely when I > > > > > find some time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > renunw renunw@ > > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM > > > > > > Re: Exalted Malefics in > > > > sensitive > > > > > Bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he > > > > is > > > > > 38 yrs old // > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married in > > > > 1981, > > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married. > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on > > > > > avasthas and various other factors. > > > > > > > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may have > > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after marriage. > > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding the > > > > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions in > > > > > various organizations currently. > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he > > > > is > > > > > 38 > > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly only > > > > > and it > > > > > > > is one of his traits ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as moon is > > > > > with a > > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th House and > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its dasa > > > > and > > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said Placements > > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along with > > amsa > > > > > .s > > > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and > > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect > > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing > > > > > happened > > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 > > > > > and > > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number > > > > of > > > > > > > promotions... .. rising to the highest position in his > > > > > > > career.##### ######### > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd Lord > > > > and > > > > > it > > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success in > > > > > profession > > > > > > > b4 and after marriage . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra malefic > > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember Sreenadh > > > > ji > > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa MD, > > he > > > > > got > > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to him..so > > > > > says > > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 and > > > > > throughout > > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of promotions.. .. > > > > > rising > > > > > > > to the highest position in his career. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving 3rd, > > > > > 6th, > > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself. But > > > > now > > > > > no > > > > > > > major problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be > > > > > familiar > > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange of 5th > > > > and > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > lords. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil > > nair " > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was also > > > > > one of > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > discussion points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart it > > is > > > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > > appreciable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or older > > > > > > > looking or > > > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the relationship/ > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > long lasting?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. The > > > > wife > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older looking > > or > > > > > > > older. > > > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5 years > > > > > younger > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship. They > > > > got > > > > > > > married > > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954 > > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00 > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are > > > > > separative > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what about > > > > > when > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in > > > > Libra? > > > > > Does > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner and > > > > > hence > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with that > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or > > > > > older > > > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence the > > > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some one > > > > > also > > > > > > > ran/is > > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Thanks Renu ji, sure that was a typo! I meant D-1 and D-9.I hope you see the point now. I can't do a complete chart right now, but you can see an important factor.Both from Lagna and moon, 11L has gone to 6H of difficulties and in 8H from its house. From moon it s also 2L. Whatever the native may have through lagna, she may be able to enjoy! RegardsNeelam2009/7/28 renunw <renunw Neelam ji, Thanks for reminding the basics..inexperience makes me forget these things. Yes, in this chart neither any benefic in kendras nor any malefic in 3,6, or 11. I suppose you meant D-1 & D-9, where you get empty kendras in this particular chart. The only Dhana Yoga I can see is the conjunction of LL and 5HL in 2H. LL is retrograde and afflicted by 12HL debilitated Sun too. Even from Moon rashi it is the same combo in 9H. Hence, basically no Dhana yoga activated in this chart. Thanks...each exercise is a learning tool. blessings, Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Renu ji, > > Can you count the Dhan yogas in this chart? Both from lagna and moon? > > Have you noticed the empty kendras, both in D-1 and D-10? > > Basic principles we must not forget, weather exalted or debllitated, > Benefics are not good in 3/6/8/12 and when in these houses, they spoil the > significations of their houses and signs. > Malefics are not good in any house except 3/6/11 and they spoil the > significations of the house they are posited in. > e.g. Mars is a strong malefic (natural as well as functional) in 5H, hence > will be harmful for 5H. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/7/28 renunw <renunw > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji > > > > Sorry... forgot to give birth data. > > > > Natal Chart > > > > November 6, 1954 > > > > Time: 4:10:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 80 E 02' 00 " , 7 N 28' 00 " > > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > <%40>, > > " renunw " <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji, > > > > > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and Sun > > debilitated. > > > > > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted benefic > > and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems. > > > > > > But she has two nice daughters. > > > > > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H. > > > > > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H. > > > > > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her 2nd > > daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted Mars in > > 5H do this? > > > > > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then, Me > > becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being deprived > > of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is placed in > > house of wealth, 2H? > > > > > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them. 7HL > > though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the reason why > > beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns 3H & > > 8H, destructive to 2H indications. > > > > > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H. > > > > > > What is the cause of her misfortune...exalted planets aspecting each > > other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed adversely or > > both? > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear manoj ji > > > > > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8 > > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva sidhas > > > > and agastay too ) > > > > > > > > > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv me > > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each other > > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking crowd > > > > ) > > > > > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and may b > > > > we can see it > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > " sunil nair " > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear manoj Ji > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur good words > > > > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not spoil > > > > that > > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja yogas > > > > > > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and some > > > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha purusha > > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets spoils > > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there > > > > > > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra ( like > > > > sat > > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th House > > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga > > > > according > > > > > to varahamihira ) > > > > > > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt the > > > > dictums > > > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav like > > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any of > > the > > > > > charts ) > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > Manoj Chandran > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not make a > > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs to > > be > > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say " Retrograde Exalted > > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated " . This is obviously not true > > > > in > > > > > this chart either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely when I > > > > > find some time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > renunw renunw@ > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM > > > > > > Re: Exalted Malefics in > > > > sensitive > > > > > Bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he > > > > is > > > > > 38 yrs old // > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married in > > > > 1981, > > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married. > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on > > > > > avasthas and various other factors. > > > > > > > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may have > > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after marriage. > > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding the > > > > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions in > > > > > various organizations currently. > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he > > > > is > > > > > 38 > > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly only > > > > > and it > > > > > > > is one of his traits ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as moon is > > > > > with a > > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th House and > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its dasa > > > > and > > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said Placements > > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along with > > amsa > > > > > .s > > > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and > > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect > > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing > > > > > happened > > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 > > > > > and > > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number > > > > of > > > > > > > promotions... .. rising to the highest position in his > > > > > > > career.##### ######### > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd Lord > > > > and > > > > > it > > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success in > > > > > profession > > > > > > > b4 and after marriage . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra malefic > > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember Sreenadh > > > > ji > > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa MD, > > he > > > > > got > > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to him..so > > > > > says > > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 and > > > > > throughout > > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of promotions.. .. > > > > > rising > > > > > > > to the highest position in his career. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving 3rd, > > > > > 6th, > > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself. But > > > > now > > > > > no > > > > > > > major problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be > > > > > familiar > > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange of 5th > > > > and > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > lords. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil > > nair " > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was also > > > > > one of > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > discussion points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart it > > is > > > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > > appreciable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or older > > > > > > > looking or > > > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the relationship/ > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > long lasting?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. The > > > > wife > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older looking > > or > > > > > > > older. > > > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5 years > > > > > younger > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship. They > > > > got > > > > > > > married > > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954 > > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00 > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are > > > > > separative > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what about > > > > > when > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in > > > > Libra? > > > > > Does > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner and > > > > > hence > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with that > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or > > > > > older > > > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence the > > > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some one > > > > > also > > > > > > > ran/is > > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dear Neelam ji,Thanks again. One or two points at a time is more than enough..no need to do the complete chart...you have given enough facts to remember .blessings,Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Thanks Renu ji, sure that was a typo! I meant D-1 and D-9.> > I hope you see the point now. I can't do a complete chart right now, but you> can see an important factor.> Both from Lagna and moon, 11L has gone to 6H of difficulties and in 8H from> its house. From moon it s also 2L. Whatever the native may have through> lagna, she may be able to enjoy!> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/7/28 renunw renunw > >> >> > Neelam ji,> >> > Thanks for reminding the basics..inexperience makes me forget these things.> >> >> > Yes, in this chart neither any benefic in kendras nor any malefic in 3,6,> > or 11.> >> > I suppose you meant D-1 & D-9, where you get empty kendras in this> > particular chart.> >> > The only Dhana Yoga I can see is the conjunction of LL and 5HL in 2H. LL is> > retrograde and afflicted by 12HL debilitated Sun too.> >> > Even from Moon rashi it is the same combo in 9H.> >> > Hence, basically no Dhana yoga activated in this chart.> >> > Thanks...each exercise is a learning tool.> >> > blessings,> >> > Renu> >> >> > <%40>,> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Renu ji,> > >> > > Can you count the Dhan yogas in this chart? Both from lagna and moon?> > >> > > Have you noticed the empty kendras, both in D-1 and D-10?> > >> > > Basic principles we must not forget, weather exalted or debllitated,> > > Benefics are not good in 3/6/8/12 and when in these houses, they spoil> > the> > > significations of their houses and signs.> > > Malefics are not good in any house except 3/6/11 and they spoil the> > > significations of the house they are posited in.> > > e.g. Mars is a strong malefic (natural as well as functional) in 5H,> > hence> > > will be harmful for 5H.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > 2009/7/28 renunw renunw@> > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji> > > >> > > > Sorry... forgot to give birth data.> > > >> > > > Natal Chart> > > >> > > > November 6, 1954> > > >> > > > Time: 4:10:00> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > Place: 80 E 02' 00", 7 N 28' 00"> > > > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka> > > >> > > > blessings,> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > >> > > > <%40>> > <%40>,> >> > > > "renunw" <renunw@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji,> > > > >> > > > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and> > Sun> > > > debilitated.> > > > >> > > > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted> > benefic> > > > and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems.> > > > >> > > > > But she has two nice daughters.> > > > >> > > > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H.> > > > >> > > > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H.> > > > >> > > > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her 2nd> > > > daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted> > Mars in> > > > 5H do this?> > > > >> > > > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then, Me> > > > becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being> > deprived> > > > of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is> > placed in> > > > house of wealth, 2H?> > > > >> > > > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them. 7HL> > > > though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the reason> > why> > > > beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns> > 3H & > > > > 8H, destructive to 2H indications.> > > > >> > > > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H.> > > > >> > > > > What is the cause of her misfortune...exalted planets aspecting each> > > > other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed> > adversely or> > > > both?> > > > >> > > > > blessings,> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > <%40>> > <%40>,> > > > "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > dear manoj ji> > > > > >> > > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8> > > > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva> > sidhas> > > > > > and agastay too )> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv> > me> > > > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each> > other> > > > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking> > crowd> > > > > > )> > > > > >> > > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and> > may b> > > > > > we can see it> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > <%40>> > <%40>,> >> > > > "sunil nair"> > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear manoj Ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks for ur good words> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not> > spoil> > > > > > that> > > > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja> > yogas> > > > > > >> > > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and> > some> > > > > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha> > purusha> > > > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets> > spoils> > > > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra (> > like> > > > > > sat> > > > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th> > House> > > > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga> > > > > > according> > > > > > > to varahamihira )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt the> > > > > > dictums> > > > > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav> > like> > > > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any> > of> > > > the> > > > > > > charts )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > <%40>> > <%40>,> > > > Manoj Chandran> > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not> > make a> > > > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs> > to> > > > be> > > > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say "Retrograde Exalted> > > > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated". This is obviously not> > true> > > > > > in> > > > > > > this chart either.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely> > when I> > > > > > > find some time.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > > renunw renunw@> > > > > > > > <%40>> > <%40>> >> > > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM> > > > > > > > Re: Exalted Malefics in> > > > > > sensitive> > > > > > > Bhavas> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till> > he> > > > > > is> > > > > > > 38 yrs old //> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married> > in> > > > > > 1981,> > > > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on> > > > > > > avasthas and various other factors.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may have> > > > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after> > marriage.> > > > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding> > the> > > > > > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions> > in> > > > > > > various organizations currently.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil> > nair"> > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear renu ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sure thanks> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till> > he> > > > > > is> > > > > > > 38> > > > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly> > only> > > > > > > and it> > > > > > > > > is one of his traits )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as> > moon is> > > > > > > with a> > > > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th House> > and> > > > > > > 9th> > > > > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th> > House> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its> > dasa> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim )> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said> > Placements> > > > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along with> > > > amsa> > > > > > > .s> > > > > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and> > > > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect> > > > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best> > thing> > > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in> > 1983> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a> > number> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > promotions... .. rising to the highest position in his> > > > > > > > > career.##### #########> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd> > Lord> > > > > > and> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord> > venus> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success in> > > > > > > profession> > > > > > > > > b4 and after marriage .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw"> > > > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra> > malefic> > > > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember> > Sreenadh> > > > > > ji> > > > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa> > MD,> > > > he> > > > > > > got> > > > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to> > him..so> > > > > > > says> > > > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 and> > > > > > > throughout> > > > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of promotions..> > ..> > > > > > > rising> > > > > > > > > to the highest position in his career.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving> > 3rd,> > > > > > > 6th,> > > > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself.> > But> > > > > > now> > > > > > > no> > > > > > > > > major problem.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be> > > > > > > familiar> > > > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange of> > 5th> > > > > > and> > > > > > > 7th> > > > > > > > > lords.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil> > > > nair"> > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was> > also> > > > > > > one of> > > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > > discussion points> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in> > > > > > navamsa> > > > > > > > > Lagna> > > > > > > > > > > changes> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart> > it> > > > is> > > > > > > > > highly> > > > > > > > > > > appreciable> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > "renunw"> > > > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or> > older> > > > > > > > > looking or> > > > > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the> > relationship/> > > > > > > marriage> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > long lasting?//> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H.> > The> > > > > > wife> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older> > looking> > > > or> > > > > > > > > older.> > > > > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5> > years> > > > > > > younger> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship.> > They> > > > > > got> > > > > > > > > married> > > > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954> > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00> > > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are> > > > > > > separative> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what> > about> > > > > > > when> > > > > > > > > these> > > > > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in> > > > > > Libra?> > > > > > > Does> > > > > > > > > Sun> > > > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner> > and> > > > > > > hence> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with> > that> > > > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older> > or> > > > > > > older> > > > > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence the> > > > > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some> > one> > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > ran/is> > > > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments?> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Sorry Renu ji please correct again......she may be not able to enjoy!Wonder why so many slips and typos! :-)RegardsNeelam 2009/7/28 neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Thanks Renu ji, sure that was a typo! I meant D-1 and D-9.I hope you see the point now. I can't do a complete chart right now, but you can see an important factor.Both from Lagna and moon, 11L has gone to 6H of difficulties and in 8H from its house. From moon it s also 2L. Whatever the native may have through lagna, she may be able to enjoy! RegardsNeelam2009/7/28 renunw <renunw Neelam ji, Thanks for reminding the basics..inexperience makes me forget these things. Yes, in this chart neither any benefic in kendras nor any malefic in 3,6, or 11. I suppose you meant D-1 & D-9, where you get empty kendras in this particular chart. The only Dhana Yoga I can see is the conjunction of LL and 5HL in 2H. LL is retrograde and afflicted by 12HL debilitated Sun too. Even from Moon rashi it is the same combo in 9H. Hence, basically no Dhana yoga activated in this chart. Thanks...each exercise is a learning tool. blessings, Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Renu ji, > > Can you count the Dhan yogas in this chart? Both from lagna and moon? > > Have you noticed the empty kendras, both in D-1 and D-10? > > Basic principles we must not forget, weather exalted or debllitated, > Benefics are not good in 3/6/8/12 and when in these houses, they spoil the > significations of their houses and signs. > Malefics are not good in any house except 3/6/11 and they spoil the > significations of the house they are posited in. > e.g. Mars is a strong malefic (natural as well as functional) in 5H, hence > will be harmful for 5H. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/7/28 renunw <renunw > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji > > > > Sorry... forgot to give birth data. > > > > Natal Chart > > > > November 6, 1954 > > > > Time: 4:10:00 > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > Place: 80 E 02' 00 " , 7 N 28' 00 " > > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka > > > > blessings, > > > > Renu > > > > > > <%40>, > > " renunw " <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji, > > > > > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and Sun > > debilitated. > > > > > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted benefic > > and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems. > > > > > > But she has two nice daughters. > > > > > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H. > > > > > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H. > > > > > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her 2nd > > daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted Mars in > > 5H do this? > > > > > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then, Me > > becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being deprived > > of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is placed in > > house of wealth, 2H? > > > > > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them. 7HL > > though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the reason why > > beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns 3H & > > 8H, destructive to 2H indications. > > > > > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H. > > > > > > What is the cause of her misfortune...exalted planets aspecting each > > other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed adversely or > > both? > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > dear manoj ji > > > > > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8 > > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva sidhas > > > > and agastay too ) > > > > > > > > > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv me > > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each other > > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking crowd > > > > ) > > > > > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and may b > > > > we can see it > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > " sunil nair " > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear manoj Ji > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur good words > > > > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not spoil > > > > that > > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja yogas > > > > > > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and some > > > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha purusha > > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets spoils > > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there > > > > > > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra ( like > > > > sat > > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th House > > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga > > > > according > > > > > to varahamihira ) > > > > > > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt the > > > > dictums > > > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav like > > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any of > > the > > > > > charts ) > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > Manoj Chandran > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not make a > > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs to > > be > > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say " Retrograde Exalted > > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated " . This is obviously not true > > > > in > > > > > this chart either. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely when I > > > > > find some time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > renunw renunw@ > > > > > > <%40> > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM > > > > > > Re: Exalted Malefics in > > > > sensitive > > > > > Bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he > > > > is > > > > > 38 yrs old // > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married in > > > > 1981, > > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married. > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on > > > > > avasthas and various other factors. > > > > > > > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may have > > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after marriage. > > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding the > > > > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions in > > > > > various organizations currently. > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he > > > > is > > > > > 38 > > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly only > > > > > and it > > > > > > > is one of his traits ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as moon is > > > > > with a > > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th House and > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its dasa > > > > and > > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said Placements > > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along with > > amsa > > > > > .s > > > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and > > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect > > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing > > > > > happened > > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 > > > > > and > > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number > > > > of > > > > > > > promotions... .. rising to the highest position in his > > > > > > > career.##### ######### > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd Lord > > > > and > > > > > it > > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success in > > > > > profession > > > > > > > b4 and after marriage . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra malefic > > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember Sreenadh > > > > ji > > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa MD, > > he > > > > > got > > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to him..so > > > > > says > > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 and > > > > > throughout > > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of promotions.. .. > > > > > rising > > > > > > > to the highest position in his career. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving 3rd, > > > > > 6th, > > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself. But > > > > now > > > > > no > > > > > > > major problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be > > > > > familiar > > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange of 5th > > > > and > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > lords. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil > > nair " > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was also > > > > > one of > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > discussion points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart it > > is > > > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > > appreciable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or older > > > > > > > looking or > > > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the relationship/ > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > long lasting?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. The > > > > wife > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older looking > > or > > > > > > > older. > > > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5 years > > > > > younger > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship. They > > > > got > > > > > > > married > > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954 > > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00 > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are > > > > > separative > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what about > > > > > when > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in > > > > Libra? > > > > > Does > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner and > > > > > hence > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with that > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or > > > > > older > > > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence the > > > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some one > > > > > also > > > > > > > ran/is > > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, //Especially of both planets are malefic (like Sun in Aries and Sat in Libra) may be this is true? I wonder if these two houses are 5 & 11 then may be this could literally be true // If you want to analyze these two planets exalted in 6 -11 axis...please go ahead, provided it is beneficial to the readers. I will be able to give you practical results. blessings, Renu , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Sunil Ji, > > You explained it very well. That is exactly what it means " If two exalted planets aspect each other, the native will be a beggar " . I think like every thing else, our ancient seers exaggerate things on purpose so that we will look closer. Exalted planets will be aspecting their houses of debilitation? Especially of both planets are malefic (like Sun in Aries and Sat in Libra) may be this is true? I wonder if these two houses are 5 & 11 then may be this could literally be true (since both are connected with money) .... we will have to investigate this further ...... > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > > > > ________________________________ > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala > > Monday, July 27, 2009 11:06:59 AM > Re: Exalted Malefics in sensitive Bhavas > > > > dear manoj ji > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8 language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva sidhas and agastay too ) > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv me for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each other nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking crowd ) > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and may b we can see it > > rgrds sunil nair > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear manoj Ji > > > > Thanks for ur good words > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not spoil that > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja yogas > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and some > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha purusha > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets spoils > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra ( like sat > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th House > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga according > > to varahamihira ) > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt the dictums > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav like > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any of the > > charts ) > > > > thanks > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji, > > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not make a > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs to be > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say " Retrograde Exalted > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated " . This is obviously not true in > > this chart either. > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely when I > > find some time. > > > > > > Regards, > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > renunw renunw@ > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Exalted Malefics in sensitive > > Bhavas > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he is > > 38 yrs old // > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married in 1981, > > means he was 27 years old when he got married. > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on > > avasthas and various other factors. > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may have > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after marriage. > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding the > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions in > > various organizations currently. > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear renu ji > > > > > > > > sure thanks > > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic > > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he is > > 38 > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly only > > and it > > > > is one of his traits ) > > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as moon is > > with a > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet > > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th House and > > 9th > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th House > > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its dasa and > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta ) > > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House > > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim ) > > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta . > > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said Placements > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along with amsa > > .s > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's > > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and > > > > siignifications a retrying effect > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing > > happened > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 > > and > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of > > > > promotions.. . .. rising to the highest position in his > > > > career.##### ######### > > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd Lord and > > it > > > > is dhana yoga combo > > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord venus > > > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success in > > profession > > > > b4 and after marriage . > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > <renunw@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct. > > > > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra malefic > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember Sreenadh ji > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa MD, he > > got > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to him..so > > says > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 and > > throughout > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of promotions.. .. > > rising > > > > to the highest position in his career. > > > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving 3rd, > > 6th, > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself. But now > > no > > > > major problem. > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be > > familiar > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange of 5th and > > 7th > > > > lords. > > > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka. > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was also > > one of > > > > our > > > > > > discussion points > > > > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in navamsa > > > > Lagna > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart it is > > > > highly > > > > > > appreciable > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > <renunw@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or older > > > > looking or > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the relationship/ > > marriage > > > > is > > > > > > long lasting?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. The wife > > of > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older looking or > > > > older. > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5 years > > younger > > > > to > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship. They got > > > > married > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954 > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00 > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are > > separative > > > > and > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what about > > when > > > > these > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in Libra? > > Does > > > > Sun > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner and > > hence > > > > the > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with that > > strong > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or > > older > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence the > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some one > > also > > > > ran/is > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 No problem Neelam ji...sometimes miracles do happen. Good words from a good person may turn out to be a reality! blessings, Renu , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Sorry Renu ji please correct again.. > > ....she may be not able to enjoy! > > Wonder why so many slips and typos! :-) > > Regards > Neelam > > > > 2009/7/28 neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 > > > Thanks Renu ji, sure that was a typo! I meant D-1 and D-9. > > > > I hope you see the point now. I can't do a complete chart right now, but > > you can see an important factor. > > Both from Lagna and moon, 11L has gone to 6H of difficulties and in 8H from > > its house. From moon it s also 2L. Whatever the native may have through > > lagna, she may be able to enjoy! > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > 2009/7/28 renunw <renunw > > > > > >> > >> Neelam ji, > >> > >> Thanks for reminding the basics..inexperience makes me forget these > >> things. > >> > >> Yes, in this chart neither any benefic in kendras nor any malefic in 3,6, > >> or 11. > >> > >> I suppose you meant D-1 & D-9, where you get empty kendras in this > >> particular chart. > >> > >> The only Dhana Yoga I can see is the conjunction of LL and 5HL in 2H. LL > >> is retrograde and afflicted by 12HL debilitated Sun too. > >> > >> Even from Moon rashi it is the same combo in 9H. > >> > >> Hence, basically no Dhana yoga activated in this chart. > >> > >> Thanks...each exercise is a learning tool. > >> > >> blessings, > >> > >> Renu > >> > >> > >> --- In <%40.\ com>, > >> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear Renu ji, > >> > > >> > Can you count the Dhan yogas in this chart? Both from lagna and moon? > >> > > >> > Have you noticed the empty kendras, both in D-1 and D-10? > >> > > >> > Basic principles we must not forget, weather exalted or debllitated, > >> > Benefics are not good in 3/6/8/12 and when in these houses, they spoil > >> the > >> > significations of their houses and signs. > >> > Malefics are not good in any house except 3/6/11 and they spoil the > >> > significations of the house they are posited in. > >> > e.g. Mars is a strong malefic (natural as well as functional) in 5H, > >> hence > >> > will be harmful for 5H. > >> > > >> > Regards > >> > Neelam > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > 2009/7/28 renunw <renunw@> > >> > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji > >> > > > >> > > Sorry... forgot to give birth data. > >> > > > >> > > Natal Chart > >> > > > >> > > November 6, 1954 > >> > > > >> > > Time: 4:10:00 > >> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > >> > > Place: 80 E 02' 00 " , 7 N 28' 00 " > >> > > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka > >> > > > >> > > blessings, > >> > > > >> > > Renu > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > --- In <%40.\ com> > >> <%40>, > >> > >> > > " renunw " <renunw@> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji, > >> > > > > >> > > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and > >> Sun > >> > > debilitated. > >> > > > > >> > > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted > >> benefic > >> > > and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems. > >> > > > > >> > > > But she has two nice daughters. > >> > > > > >> > > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H. > >> > > > > >> > > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H. > >> > > > > >> > > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her 2nd > >> > > daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted > >> Mars in > >> > > 5H do this? > >> > > > > >> > > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then, Me > >> > > becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being > >> deprived > >> > > of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is > >> placed in > >> > > house of wealth, 2H? > >> > > > > >> > > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them. 7HL > >> > > though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the reason > >> why > >> > > beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns > >> 3H & > >> > > 8H, destructive to 2H indications. > >> > > > > >> > > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H. > >> > > > > >> > > > What is the cause of her misfortune...exalted planets aspecting each > >> > > other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed > >> adversely or > >> > > both? > >> > > > > >> > > > blessings, > >> > > > > >> > > > Renu > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > --- In <%40.\ com> > >> <%40>, > >> > > " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > dear manoj ji > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8 > >> > > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva > >> sidhas > >> > > > > and agastay too ) > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv > >> me > >> > > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each > >> other > >> > > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking > >> crowd > >> > > > > ) > >> > > > > > >> > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and > >> may b > >> > > > > we can see it > >> > > > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > --- In <%40.\ com> > >> <%40>, > >> > >> > > " sunil nair " > >> > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Dear manoj Ji > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for ur good words > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not > >> spoil > >> > > > > that > >> > > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja > >> yogas > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and > >> some > >> > > > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha > >> purusha > >> > > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets > >> spoils > >> > > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra ( > >> like > >> > > > > sat > >> > > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th > >> House > >> > > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga > >> > > > > according > >> > > > > > to varahamihira ) > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt the > >> > > > > dictums > >> > > > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav > >> like > >> > > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any > >> of > >> > > the > >> > > > > > charts ) > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > thanks > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com> > >> <%40>, > >> > > Manoj Chandran > >> > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji, > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not > >> make a > >> > > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs > >> to > >> > > be > >> > > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say " Retrograde > >> Exalted > >> > > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated " . This is obviously not > >> true > >> > > > > in > >> > > > > > this chart either. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely > >> when I > >> > > > > > find some time. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards, > >> > > > > > > -Manoj > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ________________________________ > >> > > > > > > renunw renunw@ > >> > > > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > >> <%40> > >> > >> > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM > >> > > > > > > Re: Exalted Malefics in > >> > > > > sensitive > >> > > > > > Bhavas > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage > >> till he > >> > > > > is > >> > > > > > 38 yrs old // > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married > >> in > >> > > > > 1981, > >> > > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on > >> > > > > > avasthas and various other factors. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may > >> have > >> > > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after > >> marriage. > >> > > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding > >> the > >> > > > > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions > >> in > >> > > > > > various organizations currently. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > blessings, > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Renu > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil > >> nair " > >> > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear renu ji > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sure thanks > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage > >> till he > >> > > > > is > >> > > > > > 38 > >> > > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly > >> only > >> > > > > > and it > >> > > > > > > > is one of his traits ) > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as > >> moon is > >> > > > > > with a > >> > > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th > >> House and > >> > > > > > 9th > >> > > > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th > >> House > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its > >> dasa > >> > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta ) > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim > >> ) > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta . > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said > >> Placements > >> > > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along > >> with > >> > > amsa > >> > > > > > .s > >> > > > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and > >> > > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect > >> > > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best > >> thing > >> > > > > > happened > >> > > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in > >> 1983 > >> > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a > >> number > >> > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > promotions... .. rising to the highest position in his > >> > > > > > > > career.##### ######### > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd > >> Lord > >> > > > > and > >> > > > > > it > >> > > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord > >> venus > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success > >> in > >> > > > > > profession > >> > > > > > > > b4 and after marriage . > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > >> " renunw " > >> > > > > > <renunw@> > >> > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra > >> malefic > >> > > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember > >> Sreenadh > >> > > > > ji > >> > > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa > >> MD, > >> > > he > >> > > > > > got > >> > > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to > >> him..so > >> > > > > > says > >> > > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 > >> and > >> > > > > > throughout > >> > > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of > >> promotions.. .. > >> > > > > > rising > >> > > > > > > > to the highest position in his career. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving > >> 3rd, > >> > > > > > 6th, > >> > > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself. > >> But > >> > > > > now > >> > > > > > no > >> > > > > > > > major problem. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be > >> > > > > > familiar > >> > > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange of > >> 5th > >> > > > > and > >> > > > > > 7th > >> > > > > > > > lords. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > blessings, > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Renu > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > >> " sunil > >> > > nair " > >> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was > >> also > >> > > > > > one of > >> > > > > > > > our > >> > > > > > > > > > discussion points > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in > >> > > > > navamsa > >> > > > > > > > Lagna > >> > > > > > > > > > changes > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart > >> it > >> > > is > >> > > > > > > > highly > >> > > > > > > > > > appreciable > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > >> " renunw " > >> > > > > > <renunw@> > >> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or > >> older > >> > > > > > > > looking or > >> > > > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the > >> relationship/ > >> > > > > > marriage > >> > > > > > > > is > >> > > > > > > > > > long lasting?// > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. > >> The > >> > > > > wife > >> > > > > > of > >> > > > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older > >> looking > >> > > or > >> > > > > > > > older. > >> > > > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5 > >> years > >> > > > > > younger > >> > > > > > > > to > >> > > > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship. > >> They > >> > > > > got > >> > > > > > > > married > >> > > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954 > >> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00 > >> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > >> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 " > >> > > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Renu > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn > >> are > >> > > > > > separative > >> > > > > > > > and > >> > > > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what > >> about > >> > > > > > when > >> > > > > > > > these > >> > > > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in > >> > > > > Libra? > >> > > > > > Does > >> > > > > > > > Sun > >> > > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner > >> and > >> > > > > > hence > >> > > > > > > > the > >> > > > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with > >> that > >> > > > > > strong > >> > > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an > >> older or > >> > > > > > older > >> > > > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence > >> the > >> > > > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some > >> one > >> > > > > > also > >> > > > > > > > ran/is > >> > > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments? > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > >> > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dear Kursija ji, I have two charts one of which has 4 exalted planets and the other 3. both the persons (One is no more) were both nalaayak. The wife of one of them had left him and the second one's wife, sorry to say, voilently dislikes him. Both have no social standing and financially also never did well.Regards, Anita--- On Tue, 28/7/09, S.C. Kursija <sckursija wrote: S.C. Kursija <sckursijaRe: Re: Exalted Malefics in sensitive Bhavas Date: Tuesday, 28 July, 2009, 6:51 AM Respected Renu ji,It is my observation that the exalted planets make the native advance in spiritual field and social field but not in material field. The material is obtained only through wrong means, particularly in Kaliyuga. Even Shree Ram had to suffer due to exalted planets.Regards--- On Tue, 7/28/09, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Exalted Malefics in sensitive Bhavas> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, July 28, 2009, 11:45 AM> Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji> > Sorry... forgot to give birth data.> > Natal Chart> > November 6, 1954> Time: 4:10:00> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 80 E 02' 00",> 7 N 28' 00"> > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka> > blessings,> > Renu> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com,> "renunw" <renunw wrote:> >> > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji,> > > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets,> namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and Sun debilitated. > > > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between> an exalted benefic and an exalted malefic. Native has many> financial problems. > > > > But she has two nice daughters. > > > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H.> > > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H.> > > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the> confinement of her 2nd daughter and the result was she could> conceive no more. Did exalted Mars in 5H do this?> > > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct> with Sa & Su. Then, Me becomes a retrograde malefic. Is> that the reason why she is being deprived of wealth though> Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is placed in> house of wealth, 2H? > > > > Husband owns good property but not interested in> improving them. 7HL though exalted in 11H, is aspected by> exalted Mars. Is this the reason why beneficial results from> exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns 3H & 8H,> destructive to 2H indications.> > > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is> retrograde in 3H. > > > > What is the cause of her misfortune.. .exalted planets> aspecting each other or Lagna and 9th house lords being> retrograde and placed adversely or both?> > > > blessings,> > > > Renu> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala @> wrote:> > >> > > > > > dear manoj ji> > > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology> one of the gr8> > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i> am fan of saiva sidhas> > > and agastay too )> > > > > > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy> brothers pls forgiv me> > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted> planets aspects each other> > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for> Non tamil speaking crowd> > > )> > > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any> charts pls post it and may b> > > we can see it> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "sunil nair"> > > <astro_tellerkerala @> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear manoj Ji> > > >> > > > Thanks for ur good words> > > >> > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in> kendras need not spoil> > > that> > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha> maha purusha raja yogas> > > >> > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted> Mars in Lagna and some> > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all> this is various Maha purusha> > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont> see such planets spoils> > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv> factors r there> > > >> > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted> planets In kendra ( like> > > sat> > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu> in capri ( the 4th House> > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in> kendra is sarpa yoga> > > according> > > > to varahamihira )> > > >> > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very> importent things abt the> > > dictums> > > > propogated by many that of exalted> vakra planets that they behav like> > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is> almost not working any of the> > > > charts )> > > >> > > > thanks> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> Manoj Chandran> > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > >> > > > > This example is great in showing us> that one factor does not make a> > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that> the whole chart needs to be> > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics> say "Retrograde Exalted> > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated" .> This is obviously not true> > > in> > > > this chart either.> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will> look in to it closely when I> > > > find some time.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > -Manoj> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > renunw renunw@> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:> Exalted Malefics in> > > sensitive> > > > Bhavas> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > >> > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of> delaying the marriage till he> > > is> > > > 38 yrs old //> > > > >> > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born> in 1954 and got married in> > > 1981,> > > > means he was 27 years old when he got> married.> > > > >> > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the> educative mail elaborating on> > > > avasthas and various other factors.> > > > >> > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18> years of age. You may have> > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in> profession after marriage.> > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational> company, and now holding the> > > > same position in another company. Holds some> important positions in> > > > various organizations currently.> > > > >> > > > > blessings,> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> . com, "sunil nair"> > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear renu ji> > > > > >> > > > > > sure thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or> malefic> > > > > >> > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of> delaying the marriage till he> > > is> > > > 38> > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable> marriage ( as sat movs slowly only> > > > and it> > > > > > is one of his traits )> > > > > >> > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more> stronger than original one as moon is> > > > with a> > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet> > > > > >> > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act> like Lagna Lord in 9th House and> > > > 9th> > > > > > House is place of Luck and> supporting good traits of 9th House> > > > > >> > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was> behaving badly during its dasa> > > and> > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and> venus was bala avasta )> > > > > >> > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House> > > > > >> > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is> good ( dont take verbatim )> > > > > >> > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta .> > > > > >> > > > > > so many factors shud b considered> ,that is why i said Placements> > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects> shud b considered along with amsa> > > > ..s> > > > > > for delinating each charts and> dasa 's> > > > > >> > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will> giv some of its traits and> > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect> > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th> February 1981 [the best thing> > > > happened> > > > > > to him...so says his wife],> fathered a daughter and a son in 1983> > > > and> > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got> so many perks and quite a number> > > of> > > > > > promotions.. . .. rising to the> highest position in his> > > > > > career.##### #########> > > > > >> > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm> Lagna and aspected by 2nd Lord> > > and> > > > it> > > > > > is dhana yoga combo> > > > > >> > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna> Lord aspected By 9th Lord venus> > > > > >> > > > > > Any details abt his father> ,childhood and also his success in> > > > profession> > > > > > b4 and after marriage .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@> . com, "renunw"> > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > They say the birth time could> be correct.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The best period in his life> had been the exalted vakra malefic> > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a> malefic????? ? [remember Sreenadh> > > ji> > > > > > mentioning that no planet is> malefic or benefic.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job> with the commencement of Sa MD, he> > > > got> > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the> best thing happened to him..so> > > > says> > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and> a son in 1983 and 1984 and> > > > throughout> > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and> quite a number of promotions.. ..> > > > rising> > > > > > to the highest position in his> career.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Troubles started...only in> Mercury-Venus period involving 3rd,> > > > 6th,> > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly> sicknesses.. .to son and himself. But> > > now> > > > no> > > > > > major problem.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's> chart though some of you may be> > > > familiar> > > > > > with it as we have discussed it> under the topic exchange of 5th> > > and> > > > 7th> > > > > > lords.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in> Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_> astrology, "sunil nair"> > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat> dasa as vakra malefics dasa was also> > > > one of> > > > > > our> > > > > > > > discussion points> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also let me know how far> correct is his birth time as in> > > navamsa> > > > > > Lagna> > > > > > > > changes> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day> of marriage and his wife's chart it is> > > > > > highly> > > > > > > > appreciable> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_> astrology, "renunw"> > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in> Libra in 7H give, may be an older or older> > > > > > looking or> > > > > > > > mature partner who is> dependable and hence the relationship/> > > > marriage> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > long lasting?//> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a> male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. The> > > wife> > > > of> > > > > > > > this person is mature> and dependable, but not older looking or> > > > > > older.> > > > > > > > But she has a well built> physique. In fact, she is 5 years> > > > younger> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > this native. They have a> very good normal relationship. They> > > got> > > > > > married> > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > If you are> interested, let me give you his birth data.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > April 1,> 1954> > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00> (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50'> 00", 6 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > We all know> that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are> > > > separative> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > function poorly when> placed in the 7th Bhava? But what about> > > > when> > > > > > these> > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted.> Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in> > > Libra?> > > > Does> > > > > > Sun> > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a> very confident yet dominant partner and> > > > hence> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > Native benefits because> he/she is able to deal well with that> > > > strong> > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in> Libra in 7H give, may be an older or> > > > older> > > > > > > > looking or mature> partner who is dependable and hence the> > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage> is long lasting?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Does any one> have examples of such charts where some one> > > > also> > > > > > ran/is> > > > > > > > running the Dasha of> such a planet? Any comments?> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Dear ones, good discussion is going on.I have an exalted and vargottam malefic saturn in my 2nd house aspected by jupiter from 10th.Saturn joined by jupiter in D9 in 8th in the amsa of venus and also in exchange with venus which is exalted in lagna in D9.Hence i believe it is appropriate to discuss. I am a poor indian and a failure but not a dejected one!!.(this is also true and apropriate). May be due2jup in 10th.A bachelor to the core.My education and career are also wrecked.But i am a sincere practitioner of kriya yoga since last 30yrs or so and i met living mahatmas as well.Now in my 55th year i am living with my mother as a total dependent(on GOD).Into astrology since 1996 and research mode since last 3/4yrs. I welcome discussion if the ownner/moderator feel the same.My birth details are given below.I am giving them since this is a research group. D.OB...17-9-1953 T.O.B...6.35hrs P.O.B....GUNTUR(INDIA) , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Renu ji,> > Can you count the Dhan yogas in this chart? Both from lagna and moon?> > Have you noticed the empty kendras, both in D-1 and D-10?> > Basic principles we must not forget, weather exalted or debllitated,> Benefics are not good in 3/6/8/12 and when in these houses, they spoil the> significations of their houses and signs.> Malefics are not good in any house except 3/6/11 and they spoil the> significations of the house they are posited in.> e.g. Mars is a strong malefic (natural as well as functional) in 5H, hence> will be harmful for 5H.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/7/28 renunw renunw > >> >> > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji> >> > Sorry... forgot to give birth data.> >> > Natal Chart> >> > November 6, 1954> >> > Time: 4:10:00> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 80 E 02' 00", 7 N 28' 00"> > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka> >> > blessings,> >> > Renu> >> >> > <%40>,> > "renunw" renunw@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji,> > >> > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and Sun> > debilitated.> > >> > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted benefic> > and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems.> > >> > > But she has two nice daughters.> > >> > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H.> > >> > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H.> > >> > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her 2nd> > daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted Mars in> > 5H do this?> > >> > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then, Me> > becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being deprived> > of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is placed in> > house of wealth, 2H?> > >> > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them. 7HL> > though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the reason why> > beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns 3H & > > 8H, destructive to 2H indications.> > >> > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H.> > >> > > What is the cause of her misfortune...exalted planets aspecting each> > other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed adversely or> > both?> > >> > > blessings,> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > > <%40>,> > "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > dear manoj ji> > > >> > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8> > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva sidhas> > > > and agastay too )> > > >> > > >> > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv me> > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each other> > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking crowd> > > > )> > > >> > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and may b> > > > we can see it> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > > <%40>,> > "sunil nair"> > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear manoj Ji> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for ur good words> > > > >> > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not spoil> > > > that> > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja yogas> > > > >> > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and some> > > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha purusha> > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets spoils> > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there> > > > >> > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra ( like> > > > sat> > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th House> > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga> > > > according> > > > > to varahamihira )> > > > >> > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt the> > > > dictums> > > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav like> > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any of> > the> > > > > charts )> > > > >> > > > > thanks> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > <%40>,> > Manoj Chandran> > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not make a> > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs to> > be> > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say "Retrograde Exalted> > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated". This is obviously not true> > > > in> > > > > this chart either.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely when I> > > > > find some time.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > renunw renunw@> > > > > > <%40>> > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM> > > > > > Re: Exalted Malefics in> > > > sensitive> > > > > Bhavas> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he> > > > is> > > > > 38 yrs old //> > > > > >> > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married in> > > > 1981,> > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married.> > > > > >> > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on> > > > > avasthas and various other factors.> > > > > >> > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may have> > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after marriage.> > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding the> > > > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions in> > > > > various organizations currently.> > > > > >> > > > > > blessings,> > > > > >> > > > > > Renu> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair"> > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear renu ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sure thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he> > > > is> > > > > 38> > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly only> > > > > and it> > > > > > > is one of his traits )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as moon is> > > > > with a> > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th House and> > > > > 9th> > > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th House> > > > > > >> > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its dasa> > > > and> > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said Placements> > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along with> > amsa> > > > > .s> > > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and> > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect> > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing> > > > > happened> > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983> > > > > and> > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number> > > > of> > > > > > > promotions... .. rising to the highest position in his> > > > > > > career.##### #########> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd Lord> > > > and> > > > > it> > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo> > > > > > >> > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord venus> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success in> > > > > profession> > > > > > > b4 and after marriage .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw"> > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra malefic> > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember Sreenadh> > > > ji> > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa MD,> > he> > > > > got> > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to him..so> > > > > says> > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 and> > > > > throughout> > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of promotions.. ..> > > > > rising> > > > > > > to the highest position in his career.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving 3rd,> > > > > 6th,> > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself. But> > > > now> > > > > no> > > > > > > major problem.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be> > > > > familiar> > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange of 5th> > > > and> > > > > 7th> > > > > > > lords.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil> > nair"> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was also> > > > > one of> > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > discussion points> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in> > > > navamsa> > > > > > > Lagna> > > > > > > > > changes> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart it> > is> > > > > > > highly> > > > > > > > > appreciable> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw"> > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or older> > > > > > > looking or> > > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the relationship/> > > > > marriage> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > long lasting?//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. The> > > > wife> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older looking> > or> > > > > > > older.> > > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5 years> > > > > younger> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship. They> > > > got> > > > > > > married> > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954> > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are> > > > > separative> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what about> > > > > when> > > > > > > these> > > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in> > > > Libra?> > > > > Does> > > > > > > Sun> > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner and> > > > > hence> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with that> > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or> > > > > older> > > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence the> > > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some one> > > > > also> > > > > > > ran/is> > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2009 Report Share Posted July 28, 2009 Extremely sorry friends, its a slip.I forgot to sign off with my name!!!. Love and regards, gopi. , "gopi_b927" <gopi_b927 wrote:>> > Dear ones,> > good discussion is going on.I have an exalted and vargottam malefic> saturn in my> > 2nd house aspected by jupiter from 10th.Saturn joined by jupiter in D9> in 8th in the amsa of venus and also in exchange with venus which is> exalted in lagna in D9.Hence i believe it is appropriate to discuss.> > I am a poor indian and a failure but not a dejected one!!.(this is also> true and apropriate). May be due2jup in 10th.A bachelor to the core.My> education and career are also wrecked.But i am a sincere practitioner of> kriya yoga since last 30yrs or so and i met living mahatmas as well.Now> in my 55th year i am living with my mother as a total dependent(on> GOD).Into astrology since 1996 and research mode since last 3/4yrs.> > I welcome discussion if the ownner/moderator feel the same.My birth> details are given below.I am giving them since this is a research group.> > D.OB...17-9-1953> > T.O.B...6.35hrs> > P.O.B....GUNTUR(INDIA)> > > , neelam gupta> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> >> > Can you count the Dhan yogas in this chart? Both from lagna and moon?> >> > Have you noticed the empty kendras, both in D-1 and D-10?> >> > Basic principles we must not forget, weather exalted or debllitated,> > Benefics are not good in 3/6/8/12 and when in these houses, they spoil> the> > significations of their houses and signs.> > Malefics are not good in any house except 3/6/11 and they spoil the> > significations of the house they are posited in.> > e.g. Mars is a strong malefic (natural as well as functional) in 5H,> hence> > will be harmful for 5H.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> > 2009/7/28 renunw renunw@> >> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji> > >> > > Sorry... forgot to give birth data.> > >> > > Natal Chart> > >> > > November 6, 1954> > >> > > Time: 4:10:00> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > Place: 80 E 02' 00", 7 N 28' 00"> > > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka> > >> > > blessings,> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > > --- In> <%40yaho\> ogroups.com>,> > > "renunw" renunw@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji,> > > >> > > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju> and Sun> > > debilitated.> > > >> > > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted> benefic> > > and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems.> > > >> > > > But she has two nice daughters.> > > >> > > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H.> > > >> > > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H.> > > >> > > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her> 2nd> > > daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted> Mars in> > > 5H do this?> > > >> > > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then,> Me> > > becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being> deprived> > > of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is> placed in> > > house of wealth, 2H?> > > >> > > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them.> 7HL> > > though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the> reason why> > > beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars> owns 3H & > > > 8H, destructive to 2H indications.> > > >> > > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H.> > > >> > > > What is the cause of her misfortune...exalted planets aspecting> each> > > other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed> adversely or> > > both?> > > >> > > > blessings,> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > >> > > > --- In> <%40yaho\> ogroups.com>,> > > "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear manoj ji> > > > >> > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8> > > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva> sidhas> > > > > and agastay too )> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls> forgiv me> > > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each> other> > > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil> speaking crowd> > > > > )> > > > >> > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it> and may b> > > > > we can see it> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > --- In> <%40yaho\> ogroups.com>,> > > "sunil nair"> > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear manoj Ji> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for ur good words> > > > > >> > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not> spoil> > > > > that> > > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja> yogas> > > > > >> > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and> some> > > > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha> purusha> > > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets> spoils> > > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there> > > > > >> > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra> ( like> > > > > sat> > > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th> House> > > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga> > > > > according> > > > > > to varahamihira )> > > > > >> > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt> the> > > > > dictums> > > > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they> behav like> > > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working> any of> > > the> > > > > > charts )> > > > > >> > > > > > thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> <%40yaho\> ogroups.com>,> > > Manoj Chandran> > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not> make a> > > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart> needs to> > > be> > > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say "Retrograde> Exalted> > > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated". This is obviously> not true> > > > > in> > > > > > this chart either.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely> when I> > > > > > find some time.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ________________________________> > > > > > > renunw renunw@> > > > > > > To:> <%40yaho\> ogroups.com>> > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM> > > > > > > Re: Exalted Malefics in> > > > > sensitive> > > > > > Bhavas> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage> till he> > > > > is> > > > > > 38 yrs old //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got> married in> > > > > 1981,> > > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating> on> > > > > > avasthas and various other factors.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may> have> > > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after> marriage.> > > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now> holding the> > > > > > same position in another company. Holds some important> positions in> > > > > > various organizations currently.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil> nair"> > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear renu ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sure thanks> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage> till he> > > > > is> > > > > > 38> > > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs> slowly only> > > > > > and it> > > > > > > > is one of his traits )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as> moon is> > > > > > with a> > > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th> House and> > > > > > 9th> > > > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th> House> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its> dasa> > > > > and> > > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take> verbatim )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said> Placements> > > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along> with> > > amsa> > > > > > .s> > > > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits> and> > > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect> > > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best> thing> > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son> in 1983> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a> number> > > > > of> > > > > > > > promotions... .. rising to the highest position in his> > > > > > > > career.##### #########> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd> Lord> > > > > and> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord> venus> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success> in> > > > > > profession> > > > > > > > b4 and after marriage .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "renunw"> > > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra> malefic> > > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember> Sreenadh> > > > > ji> > > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of> Sa MD,> > > he> > > > > > got> > > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to> him..so> > > > > > says> > > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984> and> > > > > > throughout> > > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of> promotions.. ..> > > > > > rising> > > > > > > > to the highest position in his career.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period> involving 3rd,> > > > > > 6th,> > > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and> himself. But> > > > > now> > > > > > no> > > > > > > > major problem.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may> be> > > > > > familiar> > > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange> of 5th> > > > > and> > > > > > 7th> > > > > > > > lords.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "sunil> > > nair"> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa> was also> > > > > > one of> > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > discussion points> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as> in> > > > > navamsa> > > > > > > > Lagna> > > > > > > > > > changes> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's> chart it> > > is> > > > > > > > highly> > > > > > > > > > appreciable> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> "renunw"> > > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older> or older> > > > > > > > looking or> > > > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the> relationship/> > > > > > marriage> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > long lasting?//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra> 7H. The> > > > > wife> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older> looking> > > or> > > > > > > > older.> > > > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5> years> > > > > > younger> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal> relationship. They> > > > > got> > > > > > > > married> > > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth> data.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn> are> > > > > > separative> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what> about> > > > > > when> > > > > > > > these> > > > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H> in> > > > > Libra?> > > > > > Does> > > > > > > > Sun> > > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant> partner and> > > > > > hence> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well> with that> > > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an> older or> > > > > > older> > > > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence> the> > > > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where> some one> > > > > > also> > > > > > > > ran/is> > > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Dear Gopi Ji, // I am a poor indian and a failure but not a dejected one!!.// We all start from the Divine Mother's lap, end up 10 months inside our human mother's divine womb and finish the journey 6 Feet Under or Go up in smoke (physically depending on burial method) with our Atma back safe in to the arms of our Divine Mother, where we came from. So who is a failure and who is a success? Regards, -Manoj gopi_b927 <gopi_b927 Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:25:04 AM Re: Exalted Malefics in sensitive Bhavas Dear ones, good discussion is going on.I have an exalted and vargottam malefic saturn in my 2nd house aspected by jupiter from 10th.Saturn joined by jupiter in D9 in 8th in the amsa of venus and also in exchange with venus which is exalted in lagna in D9.Hence i believe it is appropriate to discuss. I am a poor indian and a failure but not a dejected one!!.(this is also true and apropriate). May be due2jup in 10th.A bachelor to the core.My education and career are also wrecked.But i am a sincere practitioner of kriya yoga since last 30yrs or so and i met living mahatmas as well.Now in my 55th year i am living with my mother as a total dependent(on GOD).Into astrology since 1996 and research mode since last 3/4yrs. I welcome discussion if the ownner/moderator feel the same.My birth details are given below.I am giving them since this is a research group. D.OB...17-9- 1953 T.O.B...6.35hrs P.O.B....GUNTUR( INDIA) ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Renu ji,> > Can you count the Dhan yogas in this chart? Both from lagna and moon?> > Have you noticed the empty kendras, both in D-1 and D-10?> > Basic principles we must not forget, weather exalted or debllitated,> Benefics are not good in 3/6/8/12 and when in these houses, they spoil the> significations of their houses and signs.> Malefics are not good in any house except 3/6/11 and they spoil the> significations of the house they are posited in.> e.g. Mars is a strong malefic (natural as well as functional) in 5H, hence> will be harmful for 5H.> > Regards> Neelam> > > > 2009/7/28 renunw renunw > >> >> > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji> >> > Sorry... forgot to give birth data.> >> > Natal Chart> >> > November 6, 1954> >> > Time: 4:10:00> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > Place: 80 E 02' 00", 7 N 28' 00"> > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka> >> > blessings,> >> > Renu> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > "renunw" renunw@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji,> > >> > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and Sun> > debilitated.> > >> > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted benefic> > and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems.> > >> > > But she has two nice daughters.> > >> > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H.> > >> > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H..> > >> > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her 2nd> > daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted Mars in> > 5H do this?> > >> > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then, Me> > becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being deprived> > of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is placed in> > house of wealth, 2H?> > >> > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them. 7HL> > though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the reason why> > beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns 3H & > > 8H, destructive to 2H indications.> > >> > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H.> > >> > > What is the cause of her misfortune.. .exalted planets aspecting each> > other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed adversely or> > both?> > >> > > blessings,> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > dear manoj ji> > > >> > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8> > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva sidhas> > > > and agastay too )> > > >> > > >> > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv me> > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each other> > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking crowd> > > > )> > > >> > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and may b> > > > we can see it> > > >> > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > "sunil nair"> > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear manoj Ji> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for ur good words> > > > >> > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not spoil> > > > that> > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja yogas> > > > >> > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and some> > > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha purusha> > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets spoils> > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there> > > > >> > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra ( like> > > > sat> > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th House> > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga> > > > according> > > > > to varahamihira )> > > > >> > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt the> > > > dictums> > > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav like> > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any of> > the> > > > > charts )> > > > >> > > > > thanks> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > Manoj Chandran> > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not make a> > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs to> > be> > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say "Retrograde Exalted> > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated" . This is obviously not true> > > > in> > > > > this chart either.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely when I> > > > > find some time.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > renunw renunw@> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM> > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Exalted Malefics in> > > > sensitive> > > > > Bhavas> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he> > > > is> > > > > 38 yrs old //> > > > > >> > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married in> > > > 1981,> > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married.> > > > > >> > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on> > > > > avasthas and various other factors.> > > > > >> > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may have> > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after marriage.> > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding the> > > > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions in> > > > > various organizations currently.> > > > > >> > > > > > blessings,> > > > > >> > > > > > Renu> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair"> > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear renu ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sure thanks> > > > > > >> > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he> > > > is> > > > > 38> > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly only> > > > > and it> > > > > > > is one of his traits )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as moon is> > > > > with a> > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th House and> > > > > 9th> > > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th House> > > > > > >> > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its dasa> > > > and> > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim )> > > > > > >> > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said Placements> > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along with> > amsa> > > > > .s> > > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and> > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect> > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing> > > > > happened> > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983> > > > > and> > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number> > > > of> > > > > > > promotions.. . .. rising to the highest position in his> > > > > > > career.##### #########> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd Lord> > > > and> > > > > it> > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo> > > > > > >> > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord venus> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success in> > > > > profession> > > > > > > b4 and after marriage .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw"> > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra malefic> > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember Sreenadh> > > > ji> > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa MD,> > he> > > > > got> > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to him..so> > > > > says> > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 and> > > > > throughout> > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of promotions.. ..> > > > > rising> > > > > > > to the highest position in his career.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving 3rd,> > > > > 6th,> > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself. But> > > > now> > > > > no> > > > > > > major problem.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be> > > > > familiar> > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange of 5th> > > > and> > > > > 7th> > > > > > > lords.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil> > nair"> > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was also> > > > > one of> > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > discussion points> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in> > > > navamsa> > > > > > > Lagna> > > > > > > > > changes> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart it> > is> > > > > > > highly> > > > > > > > > appreciable> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw"> > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or older> > > > > > > looking or> > > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the relationship/> > > > > marriage> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > long lasting?//> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. The> > > > wife> > > > > of> > > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older looking> > or> > > > > > > older.> > > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5 years> > > > > younger> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship. They> > > > got> > > > > > > married> > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954> > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are> > > > > separative> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what about> > > > > when> > > > > > > these> > > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in> > > > Libra?> > > > > Does> > > > > > > Sun> > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner and> > > > > hence> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with that> > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or> > > > > older> > > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence the> > > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some one> > > > > also> > > > > > > ran/is> > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments?> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, great.You said it.I just mentioned poor and failure to give an idea about the chart only but not the person/personality.When saturn is controling my finances(nil)what else it could be and jup from 10th and also from 2nd from indulagna what do i lack? I f you are asking me the question who is failure and who is a success there is neither failure nor success except in wordly sence which may vary from person to person. I agree with you in total. nandri, regards, gopi. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Gopi Ji,> > // I am a poor indian and a failure but not a dejected one!!.//> > We all start from the Divine Mother's lap, end up 10 months inside our human mother's divine womb and finish the journey 6 Feet Under or Go up in smoke (physically depending on burial method) with our Atma back safe in to the arms of our Divine Mother, where we came from. So who is a failure and who is a success?> > > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ________________________________> gopi_b927 gopi_b927 > Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:25:04 AM> Re: Exalted Malefics in sensitive Bhavas> > > Dear ones,> good discussion is going on.I have an exalted and vargottam malefic saturn in my > 2nd house aspected by jupiter from 10th.Saturn joined by jupiter in D9 in 8th in the amsa of venus and also in exchange with venus which is exalted in lagna in D9.Hence i believe it is appropriate to discuss.> I am a poor indian and a failure but not a dejected one!!.(this is also true and apropriate). May be due2jup in 10th.A bachelor to the core.My education and career are also wrecked.But i am a sincere practitioner of kriya yoga since last 30yrs or so and i met living mahatmas as well.Now in my 55th year i am living with my mother as a total dependent(on GOD).Into astrology since 1996 and research mode since last 3/4yrs.> I welcome discussion if the ownner/moderator feel the same.My birth details are given below.I am giving them since this is a research group.> D.OB...17-9- 1953> T.O.B...6.35hrs> P.O.B....GUNTUR( INDIA)> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > > > Can you count the Dhan yogas in this chart? Both from lagna and moon?> > > > Have you noticed the empty kendras, both in D-1 and D-10?> > > > Basic principles we must not forget, weather exalted or debllitated,> > Benefics are not good in 3/6/8/12 and when in these houses, they spoil the> > significations of their houses and signs.> > Malefics are not good in any house except 3/6/11 and they spoil the> > significations of the house they are posited in.> > e.g. Mars is a strong malefic (natural as well as functional) in 5H, hence> > will be harmful for 5H.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > 2009/7/28 renunw renunw@> > > > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji> > >> > > Sorry... forgot to give birth data.> > >> > > Natal Chart> > >> > > November 6, 1954> > >> > > Time: 4:10:00> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > Place: 80 E 02' 00", 7 N 28' 00"> > > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka> > >> > > blessings,> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > "renunw" renunw@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji,> > > >> > > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and Sun> > > debilitated.> > > >> > > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted benefic> > > and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems.> > > >> > > > But she has two nice daughters.> > > >> > > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H.> > > >> > > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H.> > > >> > > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her 2nd> > > daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted Mars in> > > 5H do this?> > > >> > > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then, Me> > > becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being deprived> > > of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is placed in> > > house of wealth, 2H?> > > >> > > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them. 7HL> > > though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the reason why> > > beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns 3H & > > > 8H, destructive to 2H indications.> > > >> > > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H.> > > >> > > > What is the cause of her misfortune.. .exalted planets aspecting each> > > other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed adversely or> > > both?> > > >> > > > blessings,> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear manoj ji> > > > >> > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8> > > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva sidhas> > > > > and agastay too )> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv me> > > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each other> > > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking crowd> > > > > )> > > > >> > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and may b> > > > > we can see it> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > "sunil nair"> > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear manoj Ji> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for ur good words> > > > > >> > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not spoil> > > > > that> > > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja yogas> > > > > >> > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and some> > > > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha purusha> > > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets spoils> > > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there> > > > > >> > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra ( like> > > > > sat> > > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th House> > > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga> > > > > according> > > > > > to varahamihira )> > > > > >> > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt the> > > > > dictums> > > > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav like> > > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any of> > > the> > > > > > charts )> > > > > >> > > > > > thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > Manoj Chandran> > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not make a> > > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs to> > > be> > > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say "Retrograde Exalted> > > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated" . This is obviously not true> > > > > in> > > > > > this chart either.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely when I> > > > > > find some time.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > renunw renunw@> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Exalted Malefics in> > > > > sensitive> > > > > > Bhavas> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he> > > > > is> > > > > > 38 yrs old //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married in> > > > > 1981,> > > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on> > > > > > avasthas and various other factors.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may have> > > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after marriage.> > > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding the> > > > > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions in> > > > > > various organizations currently.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair"> > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear renu ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sure thanks> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he> > > > > is> > > > > > 38> > > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly only> > > > > > and it> > > > > > > > is one of his traits )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as moon is> > > > > > with a> > > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th House and> > > > > > 9th> > > > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th House> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its dasa> > > > > and> > > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said Placements> > > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along with> > > amsa> > > > > > .s> > > > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and> > > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect> > > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing> > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number> > > > > of> > > > > > > > promotions.. . .. rising to the highest position in his> > > > > > > > career.##### #########> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd Lord> > > > > and> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord venus> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success in> > > > > > profession> > > > > > > > b4 and after marriage .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw"> > > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra malefic> > > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember Sreenadh> > > > > ji> > > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa MD,> > > he> > > > > > got> > > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to him..so> > > > > > says> > > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 and> > > > > > throughout> > > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of promotions.. ..> > > > > > rising> > > > > > > > to the highest position in his career.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving 3rd,> > > > > > 6th,> > > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself. But> > > > > now> > > > > > no> > > > > > > > major problem.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be> > > > > > familiar> > > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange of 5th> > > > > and> > > > > > 7th> > > > > > > > lords.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil> > > nair"> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was also> > > > > > one of> > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > discussion points> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in> > > > > navamsa> > > > > > > > Lagna> > > > > > > > > > changes> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart it> > > is> > > > > > > > highly> > > > > > > > > > appreciable> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw"> > > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or older> > > > > > > > looking or> > > > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the relationship/> > > > > > marriage> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > long lasting?//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. The> > > > > wife> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older looking> > > or> > > > > > > > older.> > > > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5 years> > > > > > younger> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship. They> > > > > got> > > > > > > > married> > > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are> > > > > > separative> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what about> > > > > > when> > > > > > > > these> > > > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in> > > > > Libra?> > > > > > Does> > > > > > > > Sun> > > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner and> > > > > > hence> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with that> > > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or> > > > > > older> > > > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence the> > > > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some one> > > > > > also> > > > > > > > ran/is> > > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Dear Gopi Ji, Ke is your Yogi and Rahu is your Avayogi. Avayogi needs to be weak and yogi neds to be strong. You can see Rahu is in trine, dispositor is exalted, Rahu aspected by Venus, Saturn aspected by Jupiter. Saturn is super strong being vargottam and hence strengthening the Avayogi who is the planet of penury, and you are running the dasha of Rahu, am I correct?. There are other factors, but just a few pointers. Regards, -Manoj gopi_b927 <gopi_b927 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:18:48 PM Re: Exalted Malefics in sensitive Bhavas Dear Manoj ji, great.You said it.I just mentioned poor and failure to give an idea about the chart only but not the person/personality. When saturn is controling my finances(nil) what else it could be and jup from 10th and also from 2nd from indulagna what do i lack? I f you are asking me the question who is failure and who is a success there is neither failure nor success except in wordly sence which may vary from person to person. I agree with you in total. nandri, regards, gopi.ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Gopi Ji,> > // I am a poor indian and a failure but not a dejected one!!.//> > We all start from the Divine Mother's lap, end up 10 months inside our human mother's divine womb and finish the journey 6 Feet Under or Go up in smoke (physically depending on burial method) with our Atma back safe in to the arms of our Divine Mother, where we came from. So who is a failure and who is a success?> > > Regards,> -Manoj> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> gopi_b927 gopi_b927@.. ..> ancient_indian_ astrology> Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:25:04 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Exalted Malefics in sensitive Bhavas> > > Dear ones,> good discussion is going on.I have an exalted and vargottam malefic saturn in my > 2nd house aspected by jupiter from 10th.Saturn joined by jupiter in D9 in 8th in the amsa of venus and also in exchange with venus which is exalted in lagna in D9.Hence i believe it is appropriate to discuss.> I am a poor indian and a failure but not a dejected one!!.(this is also true and apropriate). May be due2jup in 10th.A bachelor to the core.My education and career are also wrecked.But i am a sincere practitioner of kriya yoga since last 30yrs or so and i met living mahatmas as well.Now in my 55th year i am living with my mother as a total dependent(on GOD).Into astrology since 1996 and research mode since last 3/4yrs.> I welcome discussion if the ownner/moderator feel the same.My birth details are given below..I am giving them since this is a research group.> D.OB...17-9- 1953> T.O.B...6.35hrs> P.O.B....GUNTUR( INDIA)> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > > > Can you count the Dhan yogas in this chart? Both from lagna and moon?> > > > Have you noticed the empty kendras, both in D-1 and D-10?> > > > Basic principles we must not forget, weather exalted or debllitated,> > Benefics are not good in 3/6/8/12 and when in these houses, they spoil the> > significations of their houses and signs.> > Malefics are not good in any house except 3/6/11 and they spoil the> > significations of the house they are posited in.> > e.g. Mars is a strong malefic (natural as well as functional) in 5H, hence> > will be harmful for 5H.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > 2009/7/28 renunw renunw@> > > > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji> > >> > > Sorry... forgot to give birth data.> > >> > > Natal Chart> > >> > > November 6, 1954> > >> > > Time: 4:10:00> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > Place: 80 E 02' 00", 7 N 28' 00"> > > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka> > >> > > blessings,> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > "renunw" renunw@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji,> > > >> > > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and Sun> > > debilitated.> > > >> > > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted benefic> > > and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems.> > > >> > > > But she has two nice daughters.> > > >> > > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H.> > > >> > > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H.> > > >> > > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her 2nd> > > daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted Mars in> > > 5H do this?> > > >> > > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then, Me> > > becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being deprived> > > of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is placed in> > > house of wealth, 2H?> > > >> > > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them. 7HL> > > though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the reason why> > > beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns 3H & > > > 8H, destructive to 2H indications.> > > >> > > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H.> > > >> > > > What is the cause of her misfortune... .exalted planets aspecting each> > > other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed adversely or> > > both?> > > >> > > > blessings,> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > dear manoj ji> > > > >> > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8> > > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva sidhas> > > > > and agastay too )> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv me> > > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each other> > > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking crowd> > > > > )> > > > >> > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and may b> > > > > we can see it> > > > >> > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > "sunil nair"> > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear manoj Ji> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for ur good words> > > > > >> > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not spoil> > > > > that> > > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja yogas> > > > > >> > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and some> > > > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha purusha> > > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets spoils> > > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there> > > > > >> > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra ( like> > > > > sat> > > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th House> > > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga> > > > > according> > > > > > to varahamihira )> > > > > >> > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt the> > > > > dictums> > > > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav like> > > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any of> > > the> > > > > > charts )> > > > > >> > > > > > thanks> > > > > >> > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>,> > > Manoj Chandran> > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not make a> > > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs to> > > be> > > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say "Retrograde Exalted> > > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated" . This is obviously not true> > > > > in> > > > > > this chart either.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely when I> > > > > > find some time.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > > > > > > renunw renunw@> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>> > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM> > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Exalted Malefics in> > > > > sensitive> > > > > > Bhavas> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he> > > > > is> > > > > > 38 yrs old //> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married in> > > > > 1981,> > > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on> > > > > > avasthas and various other factors.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may have> > > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house. He rose in profession after marriage.> > > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding the> > > > > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions in> > > > > > various organizations currently.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair"> > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear renu ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sure thanks> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he> > > > > is> > > > > > 38> > > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly only> > > > > > and it> > > > > > > > is one of his traits )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as moon is> > > > > > with a> > > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th House and> > > > > > 9th> > > > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th House> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its dasa> > > > > and> > > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim )> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said Placements> > > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along with> > > amsa> > > > > > .s> > > > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and> > > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect> > > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing> > > > > > happened> > > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number> > > > > of> > > > > > > > promotions.. . .. rising to the highest position in his> > > > > > > > career.##### #########> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd Lord> > > > > and> > > > > > it> > > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord venus> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success in> > > > > > profession> > > > > > > > b4 and after marriage .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw"> > > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra malefic> > > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember Sreenadh> > > > > ji> > > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa MD,> > > he> > > > > > got> > > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to him..so> > > > > > says> > > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 and> > > > > > throughout> > > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of promotions.. ..> > > > > > rising> > > > > > > > to the highest position in his career.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving 3rd,> > > > > > 6th,> > > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself. But> > > > > now> > > > > > no> > > > > > > > major problem.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be> > > > > > familiar> > > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange of 5th> > > > > and> > > > > > 7th> > > > > > > > lords.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil> > > nair"> > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was also> > > > > > one of> > > > > > > > our> > > > > > > > > > discussion points> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in> > > > > navamsa> > > > > > > > Lagna> > > > > > > > > > changes> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart it> > > is> > > > > > > > highly> > > > > > > > > > appreciable> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw"> > > > > > <renunw@>> > > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or older> > > > > > > > looking or> > > > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the relationship/> > > > > > marriage> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > long lasting?//> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. The> > > > > wife> > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older looking> > > or> > > > > > > > older.> > > > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5 years> > > > > > younger> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship. They> > > > > got> > > > > > > > married> > > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00"> > > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > blessings,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are> > > > > > separative> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what about> > > > > > when> > > > > > > > these> > > > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in> > > > > Libra?> > > > > > Does> > > > > > > > Sun> > > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner and> > > > > > hence> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with that> > > > > > strong> > > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or> > > > > > older> > > > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence the> > > > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some one> > > > > > also> > > > > > > > ran/is> > > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? Any comments?> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2009 Report Share Posted July 31, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, I am not familiar with yogi and avayogi concept though i read about it somewhere briefly.But anyway i am a yogi as per our GURU'S definition " one who practices YOGA " . But i look at it this way.Ketu being mokshakaraka with 9th lord in 11th house of success aspected by exalted and superstrong 5th lord of sadhana and 6th lord of yoga Inturn aspected by jupiter.My sadhana is good and non stop since last30yrs or so and it will take me to moksha. One thing 4sure i am not going to comeback even as the richest man on earth(if offered by almighty).I think i had seen LIFE in its perspective(not my perspective). Anyway the discussion is about sani maharaj and guru maharaj and not about me.I feel they have not done any harm instead turned me spiritual.But they have done enough sat as a maraka (in2nd)andjup as a badhaka(7th lord). MARS-JUP-SAT............RESIGNED MY JOB and also resigned 2my fate(SURRENDER) FROM THEN ON......a turning point of sorts....... RAHU-JUP-SAT..........dEATH EXPERIENCE(TOTAL SURRENDER) LOVE AND REGARDS, gopi. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > Ke is your Yogi and Rahu is your Avayogi. Avayogi needs to be weak and yogi neds to be strong. You can see Rahu is in trine, dispositor is exalted, Rahu aspected by Venus, Saturn aspected by Jupiter. Saturn is super strong being vargottam and hence strengthening the Avayogi who is the planet of penury, and you are running the dasha of Rahu, am I correct?. There are other factors, but just a few pointers. > > Regards, > -Manoj > > > > > > ________________________________ > gopi_b927 gopi_b927 > > Wednesday, July 29, 2009 10:18:48 PM > Re: Exalted Malefics in sensitive Bhavas > > > Dear Manoj ji, > great.You said it.I just mentioned poor and failure to give an idea about the chart only but not the person/personality. When saturn is controling my finances(nil) what else it could be and jup from 10th and also from 2nd from indulagna what do i lack? > I f you are asking me the question who is failure and who is a success there is neither failure nor success except in wordly sence which may vary from person to person. > I agree with you in total. > nandri, > regards, > gopi. > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Gopi Ji, > > > > // I am a poor indian and a failure but not a dejected one!!.// > > > > We all start from the Divine Mother's lap, end up 10 months inside our human mother's divine womb and finish the journey 6 Feet Under or Go up in smoke (physically depending on burial method) with our Atma back safe in to the arms of our Divine Mother, where we came from. So who is a failure and who is a success? > > > > > > Regards, > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > gopi_b927 gopi_b927@ . > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Tuesday, July 28, 2009 7:25:04 AM > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Exalted Malefics in sensitive Bhavas > > > > > > Dear ones, > > good discussion is going on.I have an exalted and vargottam malefic saturn in my > > 2nd house aspected by jupiter from 10th.Saturn joined by jupiter in D9 in 8th in the amsa of venus and also in exchange with venus which is exalted in lagna in D9.Hence i believe it is appropriate to discuss. > > I am a poor indian and a failure but not a dejected one!!.(this is also true and apropriate). May be due2jup in 10th.A bachelor to the core.My education and career are also wrecked.But i am a sincere practitioner of kriya yoga since last 30yrs or so and i met living mahatmas as well.Now in my 55th year i am living with my mother as a total dependent(on GOD).Into astrology since 1996 and research mode since last 3/4yrs. > > I welcome discussion if the ownner/moderator feel the same.My birth details are given below.I am giving them since this is a research group. > > D.OB...17-9- 1953 > > T.O.B...6.35hrs > > P.O.B....GUNTUR( INDIA) > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > > Can you count the Dhan yogas in this chart? Both from lagna and moon? > > > > > > Have you noticed the empty kendras, both in D-1 and D-10? > > > > > > Basic principles we must not forget, weather exalted or debllitated, > > > Benefics are not good in 3/6/8/12 and when in these houses, they spoil the > > > significations of their houses and signs. > > > Malefics are not good in any house except 3/6/11 and they spoil the > > > significations of the house they are posited in. > > > e.g. Mars is a strong malefic (natural as well as functional) in 5H, hence > > > will be harmful for 5H. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > 2009/7/28 renunw renunw@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Manoj ji > > > > > > > > Sorry... forgot to give birth data. > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > November 6, 1954 > > > > > > > > Time: 4:10:00 > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > Place: 80 E 02' 00 " , 7 N 28' 00 " > > > > Kuliyapitiya, Sri Lanka > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > " renunw " renunw@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji and Manoj ji, > > > > > > > > > > The following chart has 3 exalted planets, namely....Sa, Ma & Ju and Sun > > > > debilitated. > > > > > > > > > > Ju and Ma aspects each other. That is aspect between an exalted benefic > > > > and an exalted malefic. Native has many financial problems. > > > > > > > > > > But she has two nice daughters. > > > > > > > > > > 5HL Saturn is exalted in 2H. > > > > > > > > > > Natural putrakaraka Jupiter is exalted in 11H. > > > > > > > > > > Mars is exalted in 5H. She nearly died at the confinement of her 2nd > > > > daughter and the result was she could conceive no more. Did exalted Mars in > > > > 5H do this? > > > > > > > > > > Her LL Me is retrograde in 2H. Me is conjunct with Sa & Su. Then, Me > > > > becomes a retrograde malefic. Is that the reason why she is being deprived > > > > of wealth though Me being her LL and 10HL [she is a housewife] is placed in > > > > house of wealth, 2H? > > > > > > > > > > Husband owns good property but not interested in improving them. 7HL > > > > though exalted in 11H, is aspected by exalted Mars. Is this the reason why > > > > beneficial results from exalted 7HL in 11H is being negated? Mars owns 3H & > > > > 8H, destructive to 2H indications. > > > > > > > > > > Even her Venus 9HL of fortune, and also 2HL is retrograde in 3H. > > > > > > > > > > What is the cause of her misfortune.. .exalted planets aspecting each > > > > other or Lagna and 9th house lords being retrograde and placed adversely or > > > > both? > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear manoj ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Just now remebred a old adage in tamil ,astrology one of the gr8 > > > > > > language even b4 sanskrit according to many .( i am fan of saiva sidhas > > > > > > and agastay too ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > uchan uchane pathal picha eduppen ( dear tammy brothers pls forgiv me > > > > > > for bad tamil --the meaning is two exalted planets aspects each other > > > > > > nativ will hav to beg -this translation is for Non tamil speaking crowd > > > > > > ) > > > > > > > > > > > > may b manoj ji can explain well and if any charts pls post it and may b > > > > > > we can see it > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > " sunil nair " > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear manoj Ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur good words > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am of the opinion that exlated planets in kendras need not spoil > > > > > > that > > > > > > > house ,if so there is no meaning of pancha maha purusha raja yogas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if i remebr correct sania Mirza has exalted Mars in Lagna and some > > > > > > > famous ppl has sat exlated in lagna ,all this is various Maha purusha > > > > > > > raja yogas too ,so even in real life we dont see such planets spoils > > > > > > > that houses ,unless other divisiv or negetiv factors r there > > > > > > > > > > > > > > i dont Know abt sarpa Yoga given by exalted planets In kendra ( like > > > > > > sat > > > > > > > in lagna sun in 7th House and mars and ketu in capri ( the 4th House > > > > > > > type of charts ) ( more than 3 planets in kendra is sarpa yoga > > > > > > according > > > > > > > to varahamihira ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure our discussions also prooved very importent things abt the > > > > > > dictums > > > > > > > propogated by many that of exalted vakra planets that they behav like > > > > > > > debilated planets ( i think this myth is almost not working any of > > > > the > > > > > > > charts ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com>, > > > > Manoj Chandran > > > > > > > chandran_manoj@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, Sunil Ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This example is great in showing us that one factor does not make a > > > > > > > chart. Sunil Ji is absolutely correct that the whole chart needs to > > > > be > > > > > > > looked at. Also notice that some classics say " Retrograde Exalted > > > > > > > Planets Behave Like They Are Debilitated " . This is obviously not true > > > > > > in > > > > > > > this chart either. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the example Renu Ji, I will look in to it closely when I > > > > > > > find some time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > -Manoj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > > > > > > renunw renunw@ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com<ancient_indian_ astrology% 40. com> > > > > > > > > Monday, July 27, 2009 5:55:28 AM > > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Exalted Malefics in > > > > > > sensitive > > > > > > > Bhavas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he > > > > > > is > > > > > > > 38 yrs old // > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Did I make a mistake....? He was born in 1954 and got married in > > > > > > 1981, > > > > > > > means he was 27 years old when he got married. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The rest OK...and thanks for the educative mail elaborating on > > > > > > > avasthas and various other factors. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > His father died when he was 17 or 18 years of age. You may have > > > > > > > noticed Rahu in the 9th house.. He rose in profession after marriage. > > > > > > > Very soon became CEO of a multinational company, and now holding the > > > > > > > same position in another company. Holds some important positions in > > > > > > > various organizations currently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " > > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No planet is ultimate benefic or malefic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But here we can see sat his job of delaying the marriage till he > > > > > > is > > > > > > > 38 > > > > > > > > > yrs old and then givn a stable marriage ( as sat movs slowly only > > > > > > > and it > > > > > > > > > is one of his traits ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also his Moon lagna is more stronger than original one as moon is > > > > > > > with a > > > > > > > > > benefic tho digitaly weak planet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so sat becomes a benefic and act like Lagna Lord in 9th House and > > > > > > > 9th > > > > > > > > > House is place of Luck and supporting good traits of 9th House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > U can see why merc and venus was behaving badly during its dasa > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > upadasa's ( merc was vridha and venus was bala avasta ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sat also givn amsa in 11th House > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Generaly planets with 5th amsa is good ( dont take verbatim ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also sat is Yuva avasta . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so many factors shud b considered ,that is why i said Placements > > > > > > > > > ,ownerships avasta s and aspects shud b considered along with > > > > amsa > > > > > > > .s > > > > > > > > > for delinating each charts and dasa 's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure a planet when retro it will giv some of its traits and > > > > > > > > > siignifications a retrying effect > > > > > > > > > ###########he got married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing > > > > > > > happened > > > > > > > > > to him...so says his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > 1984 and throughout Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > promotions.. . .. rising to the highest position in his > > > > > > > > > career.##### ######### > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sat was 10th L and 11th Lord frm Lagna and aspected by 2nd Lord > > > > > > and > > > > > > > it > > > > > > > > > is dhana yoga combo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also frm moon sign sat is lagna Lord aspected By 9th Lord venus > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Any details abt his father ,childhood and also his success in > > > > > > > profession > > > > > > > > > b4 and after marriage . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw " > > > > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They say the birth time could be correct. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best period in his life had been the exalted vakra malefic > > > > > > > > > Saturn's dasa....if Saturn is a malefic????? ? [remember Sreenadh > > > > > > ji > > > > > > > > > mentioning that no planet is malefic or benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway...he got his first job with the commencement of Sa MD, > > > > he > > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > married on 5th February 1981 [the best thing happened to him..so > > > > > > > says > > > > > > > > > his wife], fathered a daughter and a son in 1983 and 1984 and > > > > > > > throughout > > > > > > > > > Sa MD he got so many perks and quite a number of promotions.. .. > > > > > > > rising > > > > > > > > > to the highest position in his career. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Troubles started...only in Mercury-Venus period involving 3rd, > > > > > > > 6th, > > > > > > > > > 2nd and 7th lords. Mainly sicknesses.. .to son and himself. But > > > > > > now > > > > > > > no > > > > > > > > > major problem. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let me give you his wife's chart though some of you may be > > > > > > > familiar > > > > > > > > > with it as we have discussed it under the topic exchange of 5th > > > > > > and > > > > > > > 7th > > > > > > > > > lords. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil > > > > nair " > > > > > > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any idea how was his sat dasa as vakra malefics dasa was also > > > > > > > one of > > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > > > > discussion points > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also let me know how far correct is his birth time as in > > > > > > navamsa > > > > > > > > > Lagna > > > > > > > > > > > changes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also if u hav exact day of marriage and his wife's chart it > > > > is > > > > > > > > > highly > > > > > > > > > > > appreciable > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " renunw " > > > > > > > <renunw@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > //Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or older > > > > > > > > > looking or > > > > > > > > > > > mature partner who is dependable and hence the relationship/ > > > > > > > marriage > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > long lasting?// > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have a chart of a male where Saturn is in Libra 7H. The > > > > > > wife > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > > > this person is mature and dependable, but not older looking > > > > or > > > > > > > > > older. > > > > > > > > > > > But she has a well built physique. In fact, she is 5 years > > > > > > > younger > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > this native. They have a very good normal relationship. They > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > married > > > > > > > > > > > in Sa-Sa-Ra-Sa. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you are interested, let me give you his birth data. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > April 1, 1954 > > > > > > > > > > > > Time: 8:10:00 > > > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > > > > > Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 " > > > > > > > > > > > > Colombo, Sri Lanka > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We all know that Grahas like Sun, Rahu and Saturn are > > > > > > > separative > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > function poorly when placed in the 7th Bhava? But what about > > > > > > > when > > > > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > malefics are Exalted. Sun in 7H in Aries and Sa in 7H in > > > > > > Libra? > > > > > > > Does > > > > > > > > > Sun > > > > > > > > > > > in 7 in Aries give a very confident yet dominant partner and > > > > > > > hence > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > Native benefits because he/she is able to deal well with that > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > > > > partner? Doe Saturun in Libra in 7H give, may be an older or > > > > > > > older > > > > > > > > > > > looking or mature partner who is dependable and hence the > > > > > > > > > > > relationship/ marriage is long lasting? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Does any one have examples of such charts where some one > > > > > > > also > > > > > > > > > ran/is > > > > > > > > > > > running the Dasha of such a planet? 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