, Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya and Vinay Jhaaji, please both come to your senses.

July 19, 2009

Shri Harimallaji,

One Mahayuga is 12000 years and one kalpa is 1000 mahayugas ie. 12 million

years.

Sincerely,

SKB

--- On Sat, 7/18/09, harimalla <harimalla wrote:

harimalla <harimalla

Re: , Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya and Vinay Jhaaji, please

both come to your senses.

Saturday, July 18, 2009, 10:44 PM

Daer Bhattacharjyai,

In the chapter on sidhanta period,in Bharitya jyotish, Shankar Balakrishna Dixit

has said that Bhaskaracharya opined that Meru is at dhruvastahan. We all know

that sitting atop meru Barahmaji creates the world.Thus when you say,to produce

the verse on dhruva kalpa and Brahmaji kalpa as being the same, there seems to

be good possibility of it.

It is also said in the Bhagvat that Dhruba had two sons one was vatsar or year

and another was kalpa.Thus there seems to be ample proof that the ayanamsa

chakra is the kalpa of Brahmaji.During the sidhanta period,due to lack of

sufficient knowledge, they had got fantastic figure for the kalpa.It might be

the confusion like the divya varsha and divya din mentioned variously in the

various puranas.We do not know any 36o years cycle in nature.

thank you.

Hari Malla

, " harimalla@. .. " <harimalla@. ..> wrote:

>

> , " harimalla@ " <harimalla@> wrote:

> >

> > DEAR mamoths and ants,

> > If you all do not mind, while the mamoths wrestle and the ants bite,

> > as a diversion,I will take this opportunity to start a discussion with far

reaching effects.perhaps this will distract the mamoths to some extent.

> > I have tried to analyse what is the meaning of divya din, divya varsha,

yugas, manwantar and kalpa.

> > This is my interpretations of the shastriya time keeping.we have three types

of days, the human day, divine day and brahmaji day.they are all realted to the

earth axis.

> >

> > 1.Human day is 24 hours, being daily rotation around the earth axis or the

pole star.

> > 2.Divine day is one year,divided into two by the diameter from winter

solstice to summer solstice i.e. uttaryan to dakhinayan or the line joining the

polestar to the sun.

> > 3.Brahmaji day is 258oo years being the one round of the pole star around

ecliptic pole.

> > I invite the two mamoths to give their opinion on this point I have

raised.when they try to think about this issue perhaps some of their energies

will be properly utilised.The ants may also give their oinions please.I thank

you all, if you help to discuss this idea.

> > Regards,

> > Hari Malla

> >

> > > > , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks4calling younger brother Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I was(am)not speechless by HER grace but silent since it is my

> > > > > nature.What can i do when my post seem to be

> > > > > edited/moderated/ censored! !!!

> > > > >

> > > > > Any way first of all there is no rope 4me.

> > > > >

> > > > > regards

> > > > >

> > > > > gopi.

> > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " jyotish_vani@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > When everything comes to a standstill, Gopi-ji and we are at the

> > > end

> > > > > of a rope as the expression goes, there is only one option that

> > > > remains!

> > > > > Giving up! And that is when SHE comes gushing to collect your pieces

> > > > all

> > > > > of which belong to HER really and since DIVINITY is genderless,,

> > > > > exclusively to HER I suppose!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > That was what my younger brother was trying to say I am sure --

> > > but

> > > > > went speechless as you may have noticed!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > RR

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > who is the panchayat here ants like you?........ .when 2

> > > elephants

> > > > > are at

> > > > > > > logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the answer to

> > > the

> > > > > > > giants because i am helpless(like many).

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I am just unable to understand with my little brain what does it

> > > > > > > serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little doubts.....

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what does it

> > > > > > > mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > REGARDS,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Dada,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual

> > > ways!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time

> > > to

> > > > > time

> > > > > > > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

> > > > > BVRaman's

> > > > > > > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying

> > > to:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

> > > > > pronounce

> > > > > > > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will

> > > leave

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the

> > > blanks!

> > > > > Just

> > > > > > > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful,

> > > > > healthwise by

> > > > > > > doctors)

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something

> > > like

> > > > > that?

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rohini

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To all,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana

> > > > gives

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle =

> > > > > 2700

> > > > > > > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > > > > > > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he

> > > is

> > > > > > > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He

> > > is

> > > > > citing

> > > > > > > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka

> > > > and

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up

> > > > some

> > > > > > > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr

> > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > bhattacharjya!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > To All :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha

> > > > was

> > > > > > > equal

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

> > > > > refuses

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him

> > > > verses

> > > > > from

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

> > > > > hibernated

> > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed

> > > with

> > > > > new

> > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and

> > > I

> > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive

> > > liar,

> > > > > after

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

> > > > > feigning

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me

> > > > " an

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> > > > > everyone

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly,

> > > > and

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana,

> > > which

> > > > > says

> > > > > > > :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa

> > > chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > > > > > > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya

> > > > day-night

> > > > > /

> > > > > > > (and)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> > > > > > > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one

> > > > > chaturyuga.. . "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word

> > > > because

> > > > > Mr

> > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

> > > > > verdict

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my "

> > > invention

> > > > !

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from

> > > > Mahabharata

> > > > > > > (khanda

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means

> > > > days

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17

> > > > says

> > > > > > > " Daive

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

> > > > > ahastatrodagayanam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

> > > > > varsham "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here

> > > > > varsha is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from

> > > preceding

> > > > > two

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is

> > > > divided

> > > > > thus

> > > > > > > :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine

> > > > night " .

> > > > > MBh

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year :

> > > see

> > > > > verse

> > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> > > > > > > maanushalaukika

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> > > > > > > Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Siddhantas :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar

> > > > years

> > > > > for

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa

> > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000

> > > > and

> > > > > > > Earth's

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

> > > > > Suryasiddhanta,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day

> > > count

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of

> > > Suryasiddhanta)

> > > > .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> > > > > > > Mahabharata

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which

> > > 4320000

> > > > > normal

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see

> > > > verses

> > > > > 5-6)

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i,

> > > > verse

> > > > > > > 10).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta-

> > > > siddhaanta

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and

> > > not

> > > > > > > 43200000

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts.

> > > > His

> > > > > > > stand

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

> > > > > Aryabhatiya

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana,

> > > Vishnu

> > > > > > > Dharmottara

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga

> > > is

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000

> > > > divine

> > > > > > > years.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar "

> > > > years

> > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

> > > > > direction

> > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > 360

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one

> > > divya

> > > > > year

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie,

> > > Mahayuga).

> > > > > > > Exactly

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

> > > > > verses

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga

> > > have

> > > > > > > lengths

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of

> > > > yugas

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration

> > > of

> > > > > > > Satyuga

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya "

> > > > > years

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the

> > > sequence

> > > > of

> > > > > > > four

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even

> > > > > schoolboys do

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> > > > > > > drinking,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

> > > > > daily.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all

> > > > > brothers.

> > > > > > > Then

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted

> > > > > several

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig

> > > Veda

> > > > it

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact

> > > verse

> > > > > where

> > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he

> > > missed

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all

> > > > 49

> > > > > > > Marutas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be

> > > > humans,

> > > > > > > born

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

> > > > > times,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why

> > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ?

> > > Rgveda

> > > > > never

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He

> > > should

> > > > > cite

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures

> > > > without

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > goblet

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

> > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should

> > > keep

> > > > > away

> > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are

> > > > > needed

> > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every

> > > fool

> > > > > may

> > > > > > > pose

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of

> > > context.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after

> > > > which

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences,

> > > > but

> > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing

> > > > that

> > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

> > > > > connection,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also

> > > > > cited

> > > > > > > verses

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > <<<

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A

> > > > > century of

> > > > > > > men

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years

> > > > make

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> > > > > > > Thousand

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in

> > > > > Verses18-19 of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien.

> > > Let

> > > > > us

> > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu

> > > > > purana

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (57.17) " .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

> > > > > Divyavarsha

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask

> > > > him

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as

> > > > > shown

> > > > > > > below,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada

> > > Purana,

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more

> > > > details

> > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24,

> > > > > ch-5)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst

> > > > half

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two

> > > ayanas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans)

> > > > which

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is

> > > " divasa "

> > > > > while

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu

> > > Purana,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB

> > > > > says it

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to

> > > him,

> > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is

> > > > defined

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara

> > > > and

> > > > > > > dakshina

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > make one year

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates

> > > various

> > > > > types

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say

> > > > one

> > > > > > > human

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is

> > > > said

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > " 30

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language

> > > is

> > > > > copy

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya

> > > > > samvatsara " .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya

> > > > Purana

> > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much

> > > > (poorva-bhaaga

> > > > > > > said by

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Vaayu) :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas,

> > > > > verse

> > > > > > > 61-62

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are

> > > in

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu

> > > :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined

> > > > on

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the

> > > > measure

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun

> > > divides

> > > > > day

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and

> > > year

> > > > > are

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly

> > > > in

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya

> > > > > varsha to

> > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

> > > > > replica

> > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage

> > > > Pulastya

> > > > > :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verse-7 says :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day

> > > (of

> > > > > > > gods) "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one

> > > chaturyuga.

> > > > > Verses

> > > > > > > 15-

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya

> > > > (suraadinaam)

> > > > > > > varshas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

> > > > > ratio is

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha "

> > > > > (verse

> > > > > > > 15-16) ;

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage

> > > Shaunaka

> > > > > says

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as

> > > > day

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra

> > > of

> > > > > gods.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans

> > > are

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam "

> > > ,

> > > > > ie,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very

> > > > divya

> > > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

> > > > > chaahanee

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> > > > > > > dakshinaayana

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are

> > > > > called

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified

> > > his

> > > > > > > abusive

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one

> > > > falsehood

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There

> > > are

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal

> > > to

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > solar

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil

> > > > makes

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > mess

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due

> > > to

> > > > > his

> > > > > > > lack

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in

> > > > > indological

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts

> > > > posing

> > > > > as

> > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ============ ========= == ===

> > > > > > > > >

July 19, 2009

Shri Harimallaji,

1)

quote

The figures you have provided are a product of the sidhantic jyotish

period and not vedic.

Unquote

No. Not Siddhantic they are puranic, ie. from the fifth Veda.

2)

To my understanding according to Purana the " Jana-loka " is above " Dhruva-loka "

and " Tapa-loka " is above " Jana-loka " . " Tapa-loka " is the " Deva-loka " . Devas such

as the Vasus do have longer life than human beings and their day-time starts

from the Uttarayana and lasts till the Dakshinayana.

Bhishma, a Vasu, waited till the onset of the Vasu's day on the

Uttarayana day, so that he can go to his " Tapa-loka " . That may also be another

reason as to why the month " Tapa " starts from Uttarayana. That is why it is said

that Deva's (Devaanaam) one day and night together is equal to man's year. My

view is that this has nothing to do with the Mahayuga span of 12000 Divya-varsha

(Sidereal Solar year). I go by the definition of Divya-varsha as given in the

Vayu-Purana.

As your imaginary views are without any support from Veda or Purana and are

entirely different from mine let us agree to disagree. My request to you is that

you can take up your ideas on the forum on Calendar reform.

Sincerely,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya.

--- On Sun, 7/19/09, harimalla <harimalla wrote:

harimalla <harimalla

Re: , Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya and Vinay Jhaaji, please

both come to your senses.

Sunday, July 19, 2009, 6:22 AM

Dear Bhattacharjyaji,

Namaskar!The figures you have provided are a product of the sidhantic jyotish

period and not vedic.During the Bhagvat Gita period vedanga jyotish was in

vogue.At that time they had the concept of the five year yuga.It is on this

jyotish background that shri Krishna talks of 1000 yugas make one kalpa in the

Bhagvat gita.Thus from this concept, it becomes only 5ooo years for one kalpa.

We should also consider the yugas as satya, treta, dwapar and kali as the

distinct epochs of Kalki, Ram, Krishna and Buddha.Can you imagine them to be of

43 lakh years span.Human history is said to be of about 6ooo years, and human

civilistion of 1o,ooo years,when they had agriculture.

You should also remember that Indra tells Rohit to go on moving as satya is

equal to act of walking, treta of standing, dwapar of sitting and kali of lying

down.When one person can do it in the above postures, and if one were to believe

of taking about 43 lakhs years to do that, it would appear senseless.Thus our

sidhanta astronomers must have been only using symbolic figures, not to be

relied upon from literal point of view.For example, there is no natural cycle of

36o years as divya varsha of which Vinay Jhaaji has quoted many puranas, with

one human year as dvya din.

Thus many of these figures are only symbolic not to be taken in the literal

sense.Only the parokshya meanings from them are to be derived.

I have also said how Dhruvasthan is meru from where Brahmaji starts creation, as

mentioned by Bhaskaracharya too. Also Dhruva had two sons one was Vatsar and

another was kalpa as ert thre Bhagvat purana.Thus since it is dhruva point which

forms the precession cycle,we have little choice not to say that is the

precessional cycle or ayanamsa cycle of 258oo years.

Regards,

HAri Malla

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy

a wrote:

>

> Shri Harimallaji,

>

> One Mahayuga is 12000 years and one kalpa is 1000 mahayugas ie. 12 million

years.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> SKB

>

> --- On Sat, 7/18/09, harimalla@.. . <harimalla@. ..> wrote:

>

> harimalla@.. . <harimalla@. ..>

> Re: , Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya and Vinay Jhaaji, please

both come to your senses.

>

> Saturday, July 18, 2009, 10:44 PM

>

> Daer Bhattacharjyai,

> In the chapter on sidhanta period,in Bharitya jyotish, Shankar Balakrishna

Dixit has said that Bhaskaracharya opined that Meru is at dhruvastahan. We all

know that sitting atop meru Barahmaji creates the world.Thus when you say,to

produce the verse on dhruva kalpa and Brahmaji kalpa as being the same, there

seems to be good possibility of it.

> It is also said in the Bhagvat that Dhruba had two sons one was vatsar or year

and another was kalpa.Thus there seems to be ample proof that the ayanamsa

chakra is the kalpa of Brahmaji.During the sidhanta period,due to lack of

sufficient knowledge, they had got fantastic figure for the kalpa.It might be

the confusion like the divya varsha and divya din mentioned variously in the

various puranas.We do not know any 36o years cycle in nature.

> thank you.

> Hari Malla

>

> , " harimalla@ .. " <harimalla@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > , " harimalla@ " <harimalla@> wrote:

> > >

> > > DEAR mamoths and ants,

> > > If you all do not mind, while the mamoths wrestle and the ants bite,

> > > as a diversion,I will take this opportunity to start a discussion with far

reaching effects.perhaps this will distract the mamoths to some extent.

> > > I have tried to analyse what is the meaning of divya din, divya varsha,

yugas, manwantar and kalpa.

> > > This is my interpretations of the shastriya time keeping.we have three

types of days, the human day, divine day and brahmaji day.they are all realted

to the earth axis.

> > >

> > > 1.Human day is 24 hours, being daily rotation around the earth axis or the

pole star.

> > > 2.Divine day is one year,divided into two by the diameter from winter

solstice to summer solstice i.e. uttaryan to dakhinayan or the line joining the

polestar to the sun.

> > > 3.Brahmaji day is 258oo years being the one round of the pole star around

ecliptic pole.

> > > I invite the two mamoths to give their opinion on this point I have

raised.when they try to think about this issue perhaps some of their energies

will be properly utilised.The ants may also give their oinions please.I thank

you all, if you help to discuss this idea.

> > > Regards,

> > > Hari Malla

> > >

> > > > > , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks4calling younger brother Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I was(am)not speechless by HER grace but silent since it is my

> > > > > > nature.What can i do when my post seem to be

> > > > > > edited/moderated/ censored! !!!

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Any way first of all there is no rope 4me.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regards

> > > > > >

> > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan " jyotish_vani@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > When everything comes to a standstill, Gopi-ji and we are at the

> > > > end

> > > > > > of a rope as the expression goes, there is only one option that

> > > > > remains!

> > > > > > Giving up! And that is when SHE comes gushing to collect your pieces

> > > > > all

> > > > > > of which belong to HER really and since DIVINITY is genderless,,

> > > > > > exclusively to HER I suppose!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > That was what my younger brother was trying to say I am sure --

> > > > but

> > > > > > went speechless as you may have noticed!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > RR

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " gopi_b927 " gopi_b927@

wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Rohini ji,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > who is the panchayat here ants like you?........ .when 2

> > > > elephants

> > > > > > are at

> > > > > > > > logerheads what can the ants do?Iam also leaving the answer to

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > giants because i am helpless(like many).

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I am just unable to understand with my little brain what does it

> > > > > > > > serve?Does it serve GOD?again i have my own little doubts.....

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Even if it is proved that one of them is right, what does it

> > > > > > > > mean.......GOD KNOWS!!!

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > REGARDS,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > gopi.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > , " Rohiniranjan "

> > > > > <jyotish_vani@ >

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Dada,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Both You and Vinay-Ji are Mammoths in your own individual

> > > > ways!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > What can we tiny insects do, other than to bite you from time

> > > > to

> > > > > > time

> > > > > > > > and remind you that we were trying to 'help'!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Are both of you erudite gentlemen (I learned that word from

> > > > > > BVRaman's

> > > > > > > > astrological magazines back when I was a teenager...! ) trying

> > > > to:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ? Register a public complaint so that current PANCHAAYAT may

> > > > > > pronounce

> > > > > > > > a judgment in our cyber-village?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ?? Educate us " great unwashed " with stuff that ... (I will

> > > > leave

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > unfinished and to all readers' imaginations to fill in the

> > > > blanks!

> > > > > > Just

> > > > > > > > as a mental exercise that has been recently found helpful,

> > > > > > healthwise by

> > > > > > > > doctors)

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > ??? Is this an ongoing expression of 'boredom' or something

> > > > like

> > > > > > that?

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Bhul chook leni deni!

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Rohini

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > > sunil_bhattacharjya @ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > To all,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vinay Jha has again lying. I always said that Vayu purana

> > > > > gives

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > explanation of Divya varsha as Solar year. One Saptarshi cycle =

> > > > > > 2700

> > > > > > > > Divya varsha = 3030 Mnusha varsha.

> > > > > > > > > > Let him explain this first. It is beacause of this verse he

> > > > is

> > > > > > > > avoiding Vayu purana all along.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > When will he have the moral courage to speak the truth? He

> > > > is

> > > > > > citing

> > > > > > > > verses about " Devaanam varsha " , which is applicable to Devaloka

> > > > > and

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > to Martyaloka. He does no sanskrit at all, rather he picked up

> > > > > some

> > > > > > > > wrong ideas about Sanskrit.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@

> > > > > > > > > > Do Not Cite Scriptures Falsely, Mr

> > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > bhattacharjya!

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Friday, July 17, 2009, 8:02 AM

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > To All :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya said repeatedly that one divya varsha

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > equal

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to one solar year according to Mahabharata and Puranas, and

> > > > > > refuses

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > accept documentary evidences. Two months ago, I sent him

> > > > > verses

> > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > those texts which he was falsely quoting. Thereafter, he

> > > > > > hibernated

> > > > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > two months, and came up with same falsehoods again, mixed

> > > > with

> > > > > > new

> > > > > > > > lies

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and new abuses for me !! Then, I had to spend some time, and

> > > > I

> > > > > > sent

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > references from a lot of Puranas to expose this abusive

> > > > liar,

> > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > which will come again after some time with same falsehoods,

> > > > > > feigning

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > forget all evidences provided so far by me. And he calls me

> > > > > " an

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > incorrigible liar " . Here are the proofs which will convince

> > > > > > everyone

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > that he does not know Sanskrit and cites scriptures wrongly,

> > > > > and

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > haughty to admit his errors.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I sent him reference from Vishnu Purana,

> > > > which

> > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " maasair-dvaadashab hir-varsham- ahoraatram tu tat divi

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > tribhir-varsha- shatair-varsham shashtyaa

> > > > chaiva-asuradvishaa

> > > > > > > > m " (Amsha- vi,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > chapter-3, verse 10)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It means : " 12 (human) months are (equal to) one divya

> > > > > day-night

> > > > > > /

> > > > > > > > (and)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 360 (human) years are (equal to) one varsha of gods

> > > > > > > > (=asuraodvishaam) . "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Next verse says : " such 12000 yesrs are equal to one

> > > > > > chaturyuga.. . "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I had explained this verse word by word

> > > > > because

> > > > > > Mr

> > > > > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > does not know Sanskrit, but he refused to accept such clear

> > > > > > verdict

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > called the yuga calculation of ancient sages as " my "

> > > > invention

> > > > > !

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent the following prrof from

> > > > > Mahabharata

> > > > > > > > (khanda

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 5-chapter 231-verse15) :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " ahoraatre vibhajate Suryau maanushalaukike " , which means

> > > > > days

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > nights of manushya loka is made/divided by Surya. Verse 17

> > > > > says

> > > > > > > > " Daive

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > raatryahanee varsham pravibhaagastayoh punah ,

> > > > > > ahastatrodagayanam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > raatrih syad dakshinaayanam " : in which " Daive raatryahanee

> > > > > > varsham "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > means " (human) varsha is equal to day+night of gods " . Here

> > > > > > varsha is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > varsha of maanushalaukike which is to be taken from

> > > > preceding

> > > > > > two

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > verses. Rest of verse 17 means " this daiva day+night is

> > > > > divided

> > > > > > thus

> > > > > > > > :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > uttara (ayana) is divine day and dakshinaayana is divine

> > > > > night " .

> > > > > > MBh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > clearly says that the maanushalaukika year is solar year :

> > > > see

> > > > > > verse

> > > > > > > > 15

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > above which says that Sun divides/makes day and night in

> > > > > > > > maanushalaukika

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (but not in devaloka). "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Two months ago, I also sent evidences from all major ancient

> > > > > > > > Jyotisha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Siddhantas :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ancient siddhantic texts invariably speak of 4320000 solar

> > > > > years

> > > > > > for

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > mahayuga. For instance, in the first verse of Dashageetikaa

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya, Sun's bhagana number per (maha)yuga is 4320000

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > Earth's

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > rotations are given to be 1582237500 (1582237828 in

> > > > > > Suryasiddhanta,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > this minor difference being due to Sunrise system of day

> > > > count

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Aryabhatiya in contrast to midnight system of

> > > > Suryasiddhanta)

> > > > > .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta( BSS) repeats the mathematics of

> > > > > > > > Mahabharata

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (MBh-v-231) in its first chapter verses 4-7, in which

> > > > 4320000

> > > > > > normal

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > solar years of humans are said to make one mahayuga (see

> > > > > verses

> > > > > > 5-6)

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1000 such mahayugas are said to make one Kalpa (BSS, ch-i,

> > > > > verse

> > > > > > > > 10).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hence, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya and Brahma-sphuta-

> > > > > siddhaanta

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > clearly say one mahayuga to be equal to 4320000 years and

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > 43200000

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > days as Mr Sunil wrongly tried to prove by misquoting texts.

> > > > > His

> > > > > > > > stand

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > is refuted by all these ancient texts : Suryasiddhanta,

> > > > > > Aryabhatiya

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Brahma-sphuta- siddhaanta, Mahabharata, Narada Purana,

> > > > Vishnu

> > > > > > > > Dharmottara

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Purana, etc, all of which unanimously say that one mahayuga

> > > > is

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 4320000 years or 1582237828 days which is equal to 12000

> > > > > divine

> > > > > > > > years.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > How can he put " 1582237828 sunrises " in only 12000 " solar "

> > > > > years

> > > > > > ?

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Not only this, Mr Sunil reads Hindu scriptures in reverse

> > > > > > direction

> > > > > > > > like

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Urdu (from my message two months ago) :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > 360

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " human " ( " maanusha " , see verse 6) years are equal to one

> > > > divya

> > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 12000 " divya " years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie,

> > > > Mahayuga).

> > > > > > > > Exactly

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3,

> > > > > > verses

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > lengths

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200 divya years. The sequence of

> > > > > yugas

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration

> > > > of

> > > > > > > > Satyuga

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 " divya "

> > > > > > years

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > according to Vishnu Purana. Why Mr Sunil inverts the

> > > > sequence

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > > four

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even

> > > > > > schoolboys do

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > commit such blunders ! It is certainly a result of excessive

> > > > > > > > drinking,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > although he says that only two tolas of wine should be taken

> > > > > > daily.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Here is his statement about Rgveda :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <<< " I said that that the Rig Veda says that we are all

> > > > > > brothers.

> > > > > > > > Then

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to disprove what I said Vinay Jha did research and quoted

> > > > > > several

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > verses from the Rig Veda to show that nowhere in the Rig

> > > > Veda

> > > > > it

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > that we are all brothers. Then I had to quote the exact

> > > > verse

> > > > > > where

> > > > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > is said that we are all brothers and this shows that he

> > > > missed

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > most

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > relevant verse. Such is his false scholarship. " >>>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I answered : The verses he quoted from Rgveda said that " all

> > > > > 49

> > > > > > > > Marutas

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > are equal bhraatara " . If anyone imagines 49 Maruts to be

> > > > > humans,

> > > > > > > > born

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > simultaneously, it must be due to genetic cloning in Rgvedic

> > > > > > times,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > because no mortal woman can beget 49 sons at a time ! Why

> > > > > Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya reduces deities like Maruts to mortals ?

> > > > Rgveda

> > > > > > never

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " we are all brothers " . Sunil Bhattacharjya is lying. He

> > > > should

> > > > > > cite

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > texts honestly and properly, and should read scriptures

> > > > > without

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > goblet

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in hand. A person incapable of understanding simple Puranic

> > > > > > Sanskrit

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > simple english and Hindi translations of the same should

> > > > keep

> > > > > > away

> > > > > > > > from

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > difficult language of Rgveda. Pandits say that 12 years are

> > > > > > needed

> > > > > > > > by

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Sanskrit scholars to master one Veda !! Now-a-days every

> > > > fool

> > > > > > may

> > > > > > > > pose

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > as a Vedic expert, citing verses from internet out of

> > > > context.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > All above exchanges took place over two months ago, after

> > > > > which

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > went

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > into hibernation because he could not refute the evidences,

> > > > > but

> > > > > > > > after

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > two months came up again, repeating his old lies, believing

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > members

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > must have forgotten exchanges of two months ago. In this

> > > > > > connection,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > another scholar Shri Venkata Krishnan in his own forum also

> > > > > > cited

> > > > > > > > verses

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > from Matsya Purana :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > <<<

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana, chapter-142, Slokas 11-15

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Meaning: " Thirty yearsof men is one month for the Gods. A

> > > > > > century of

> > > > > > > > men

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > is three months and a few days of the Gods. 360 Human years

> > > > > make

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > year of the Devas ( Gods). ... 3,60,000 Human years make One

> > > > > > > > Thousand

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Divine years. " ( This verse-12 is exactly repeated in

> > > > > > Verses18-19 of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Linga Purana cited below)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >>>

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > But Mr Sunil answered : " Thank you for the trouble takien.

> > > > Let

> > > > > > us

> > > > > > > > agree

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > to disagree. I shall prefer to go by the definition of Vayu

> > > > > > purana

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (57.17) " .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil told me in this group : " Vayu purana says that

> > > > > > Divyavarsha

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Solar year and Manushya varsha is the Sidereal Lunar year. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > I said : " Vayu Purana or no ancient text ever said that. Ask

> > > > > him

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > quote the verse verbatim. " In reply, I got abuses.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hence, I had to send new evidences from a lot of Puranas as

> > > > > > shown

> > > > > > > > below,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > and as expected he again refuses to accept his faults :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Proof of length of Divya Varsha, this time from Narada

> > > > Purana,

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > presents Ganita and Phalita portions of Jyotisha in more

> > > > > details

> > > > > > > > than

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > any other Purana (Sage Sanaka says ) :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Rturmaasadvayena syaattatrayenaayana m smritam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > tatdvyena bhavedabdah sa devaanaam dinam bhavet " (verse-24,

> > > > > > ch-5)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " uttaram divasam praahoo raatrirvai dakshinaayanam " (forst

> > > > > half

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > verse-25, ch-5)

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verse 24 defines ayana in first half, and then says two

> > > > ayanas

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (uttaraayana and dakshinaayana) make one year (of humans)

> > > > > which

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " din " of the gods. Next line says that uttaraayana is

> > > > " divasa "

> > > > > > while

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dakshinnayana is night (of gods).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Same thing is said in Bhagavata Purana (and in Vishnu

> > > > Purana,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Suryasiddhanta, Brahmasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, etc) , but SKB

> > > > > > says it

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vague !!! SKB does not know Sanskrit which is " vague " to

> > > > him,

> > > > > > hence

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > it is impossible to convince him what the Puranas & c say.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chapter-5 of Koorma Purana says same thing :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verse-5 defines " maanusha " measure, and then " maasa' is

> > > > > defined

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > verse. Then, verse-6 says :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " taih shadbhir-ayanam varsham dve-ayane dakshinottare

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ayanam dakshinam ratrir-devaanaam uttaram dinam "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " six (maanusha maasas) make up one ayana, two ayanas uttara

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > dakshina

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > make one year

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dakshina ayana is night and uttara (ayana) is day of gods. "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Chapter-1 of Linga Purana (verse 9-10) differentiates

> > > > various

> > > > > > types

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Varshas, and enumerates Divya and Maanusha, among others, as

> > > > > > > > different

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > typres. It is clarified in chapter-3, verse 15-16 which say

> > > > > one

> > > > > > > > human

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > year is equal to one divya day-night. In next verse, it is

> > > > > said

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > " 30

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > years (of humans) constitute one divya month " , the language

> > > > is

> > > > > > copy

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana's definition of the same sent by me earlier

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ( " trinshadyaani tu varshaani divyo maasastu sa smritah " ).

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verse-18-19 of Linga Purana repeats verse of Matsya Purana :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Treeni varsha-shataat anyeva shashti-varshaani yaani tu

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanushena prakeertitah "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > It means " 360 years of humans are equal to one divya

> > > > > > samvatsara " .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Later verses in Linga Purana repeat the verses of matsya

> > > > > Purana

> > > > > > > > about

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the length of Saptarshi Year, Dhruva Year, etc.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now see Brahmaanda Purana which SKB needs so much

> > > > > (poorva-bhaaga

> > > > > > > > said by

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Vaayu) :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Ch-6, verse 44-45 says Krityuga measures 4800 divya varshas,

> > > > > > verse

> > > > > > > > 61-62

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > repeats same thing in changed words. but actual details are

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > chapter-28 od second Anushamga of Poorvabhaaga said by Vayu

> > > > :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Like other Puranas, verse -5 says Maanusha varsha is defined

> > > > > on

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > basis of laukika pramaana, ie, solar year, which is the

> > > > > measure

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > in this world. verse-7 clarifies it by saing that Sun

> > > > divides

> > > > > > day

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > night in maanusha-loka, and other measures like month and

> > > > year

> > > > > > are

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > measured in terms of this solar measure.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verses 13-16 define divya dina and then divya varsha exactly

> > > > > in

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > manner of Matsya and Linga Puranas, clearly saying a divya

> > > > > > varsha to

> > > > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > equal to 360 maanusha varshas in verse-16, which is an exact

> > > > > > replica

> > > > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Matsya Purana.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now see Padma Purana , chapter-3, in the words of Sage

> > > > > Pulastya

> > > > > > :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verse-7 says :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " dakshina ayana is night of gods and uttara (ayana) is day

> > > > (of

> > > > > > > > gods) "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Next verses say such 12000 divya varshas make one

> > > > chaturyuga.

> > > > > > Verses

> > > > > > > > 15-

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > say that " one manvantara is equal to 852000 divya

> > > > > (suraadinaam)

> > > > > > > > varshas

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 human (paarthiva) years " : the

> > > > > > ratio is

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 360 maanusha varshas in one divya varsha :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 852000 divya varshas =

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " ashtau-shat- sahasraani- divyayaa- samkhyayaa- snritah /

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dvi-panchaashat- tathaa-anyaani- sahasraani- adhikaanicha "

> > > > > > (verse

> > > > > > > > 15-16) ;

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > which are equal to 306720000 paarthiva varshas

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " trint-koti- astu-sampoornaah samkhyaataah samkgyayaanrpa /

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sapta-shashtih- tathaa-anyaani- niyutaani- mahaamate /

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > vimshatishch- sahasraani- kaaloyamadhikamv inaa /

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > manvantarasya- samkhyaeyam- maanushairiha- vatsareh / "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Now see Vishnudharma Purana , ch-105 , in which Sage

> > > > Shaunaka

> > > > > > says

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (about the kaalamaana he got by worshipping Keshava) :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Verse-14 defines dakshina ayana as night and uttara ayana as

> > > > > day

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > gods, and says one samvatsara (of humans) is one ahoraatra

> > > > of

> > > > > > gods.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Then, Verse-15 says :

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " Shatatrayena varshaanaam shashtyaa cha Prithivipate

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Manushya-samkhyayaa varsham devaanaam-api ganyate "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > = " O Prithvipati (King Shataaneeka) ! 360 years of humans

> > > > are

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Varsha of Gods "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Next line says " iti divyena maanena chaturyuga-vikalpan aam "

> > > > ,

> > > > > > ie,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > chaturyuga (of 12000 divya years) is measured in this very

> > > > > divya

> > > > > > > > year

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (of 360 human years) "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX XXX

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhagavata purana (3.11.18 - 20) says in verse 12 : " ayane

> > > > > > chaahanee

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > praahur-vatsaro dvaadasha smritah, samvatsarshatam nrrnaam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > paramaayur-nirupita m " , ie, the ayanas (uttaraayana and

> > > > > > > > dakshinaayana

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > described in preceding verse) are one day (of gods) but are

> > > > > > called

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > " varsha " or " dvaasha " (12 months) in the loka of nrrnaam

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > (maanusha-loka) .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Mr Sunil Bhattacharya rejected all proofs and intensified

> > > > his

> > > > > > > > abusive

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > attack on me. I cannot prevent him from going from one

> > > > > falsehood

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > another. But ancient texts must be cited correctly. There

> > > > are

> > > > > > some

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > scholars who believe that one divya varsha should be equal

> > > > to

> > > > > > one

> > > > > > > > solar

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > year, but they do not cite scriptures falsely like Mr Sunil

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Bhattacharjya to make their idea more acceptable. Mr Sunil

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > mess

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of Saamkhya, Gita, Upanishada, Vedas, Puranas and Epics due

> > > > to

> > > > > > his

> > > > > > > > lack

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > of knowledge of Sanskrit and lack of proper traning in

> > > > > > indological

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > studies, but instead of studying texts properly he starts

> > > > > posing

> > > > > > as

> > > > > > > > an

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > expert in everything, from Veda to liquor.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > -Vinay Jha

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > ============ ========= == ===

> > > > > > > > > >

July 19, 2009

In spite of direct and clear references from so many Puranas, siddhantas and

Mahabharata, Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya is sticking to the view that Puranas have

12000 years (solar year according to him) for one Mahayuga, whereas in fact

Puranas say 12000 " divya varshas " per Mahayuga, and define one divya varsha as

360 " maanusha " varsha, the latter being solar according to puranas.

-Vinay jha

============================= ==

________________________________

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya

Cc: ; vedic astrology

Monday, July 20, 2009 4:48:15 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Re: , Mr Sunil Bhattacharjya and

Vinay Jhaaji, please both come to your senses.

Shri Harimallaji,

1)

quote

The figures you have provided are a product of the sidhantic jyotish

period and not vedic.

Unquote

No. Not Siddhantic they are puranic, ie. from the fifth Veda.

2)

To my understanding according to Purana the " Jana-loka " is above " Dhruva-loka "

and " Tapa-loka " is above " Jana-loka " . " Tapa-loka " is the " Deva-loka " . Devas such

as the Vasus do have longer life than human beings and their day-time starts

from the Uttarayana and lasts till the Dakshinayana.

Bhishma, a Vasu, waited till the onset of the Vasu's day on the

Uttarayana day, so that he can go to his " Tapa-loka " . That may also be another

reason as to why the month " Tapa " starts from Uttarayana. That is why it is said

that Deva's (Devaanaam) one day and night together is equal to man's year. My

view is that this has nothing to do with the Mahayuga span of 12000 Divya-varsha

(Sidereal Solar year). I go by the definition of Divya-varsha as given in the

Vayu-Purana.

As your imaginary views are without any support from Veda or Purana and are

entirely different from mine let us agree to disagree. My request to you is that

you can take up your ideas on the forum on Calendar reform.

Sincerely,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya.

--- On Sun, 7/19/09, harimalla@rocketmai l.com <harimalla@rocketmai l.com>

wrote:

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