No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.

June 22, 2009

Dear Chiranjiv Ji,

Sunil Ji and Anantha Krishnan Ji have already commented from the native's

perspective. So I tried some thing a little different by rotating the chart. As

Sunil Ji has already mentioned there are pointers from the Native's perspective

as well that marriage will not be very cordial. I also have to state that from

the Native's perspective also there could have been opportunities for other

relationships, but the strength of the 9th lord and Jupiter makes me pause

before giving a wrong judgement (because 9th lord is lord of dharma). Although

the 5th lord of morality is afflicted in the native's chart, which is probably

why Sunil Ji correctly questioned about the native's children's status. Here

again the strength of the Karaka Jupiter may have trumped the 5th lords

afflictions.

I agree that the husband's chart will be most intruiging to analyze.

Regards,

-Manoj

________________________________

chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv

Monday, June 22, 2009 6:34:09 AM

Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.

Dear Manoj ji,

If i am not mistaken, you r deducing all this about the spouse from the chart of

the native.

What do all these combinations say about the native ???

I am be intruding into unravelling of the spouse, but he has his own horoscope

too.

--- On Mon, 22/6/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets..

ancient_indian_ astrology

Monday, 22 June, 2009, 6:44 PM

Dear Anantha Krishnan Ji, Renu Ji and all,

The key to infedility of the spouse in this chart is once again the sign of

scorpio and nakshatras related to infedility in addittion to the other factors.

Consider the following:

Sa in Scorpio in Anuradha

Ra in Scorpio in Jyestha

Ve and Mo in Rohini

All three nakshatras above are related to infedility, eloping, seduction etc.

Plus Ju is in Asresha (a secretive nakshatra) whose dispositor Moon is in Rohini

Also Ju, Ma have rashi dhrishti on scorpio

Ve, Mo have graha dhrishti on scorpio

So in effect, in the Rashi chart, with the exception of Sun and Mercury all

other grahas are related to scorpio.

This exception is taken care of in the Navamsha Chart.

In the D-9, Mo, Me have rashi dhrishti on scorpio, from Cancer

Sun also has rashi dhrishti on scorpio from Aries.

Especially Rashi dhrishti of Moon and Mercury on Scorpio is very significant in

D-9 since now you have both Manas and Budhi affected by Scorpio.

The only difficulty I have seen is that we need to determine carefully if it is

the Native who will me having an affair or is it the native's spouse? In this

case since the native's 9th lord is exalted and his dispositor is also exalted,

could be what prevented this native from having an affair herself.

Her spouses matter on the other hand is clear if you take the 7th house as the

lagna.

From the 7th as lagna, you have Su and Mercury in the 7th.

Just to have some fun on Sreeram Srinivas Ji, Me is " Marana Karaka Sthana "

Back to seriousness, Su and Me in the 7th is obviously bad news. But more

importantly Sun is the 11th lord in the 7th house. So 11th lord is a multiplier,

Mercury is also a multiplier and he is also the 12th lord. This clearly

indicates the spouse bringing multiple people in to his 7th bhava.

7th lord Ma is exalted in 4th house And 5th lord of morality Sa is in the 12th,

scorpio, etc conjunct Rahu.

I have also noticed that Jupiter's aspect does not always curb such behaviour.

It can even enlarge it in some cases. Especially when Jp is in the signs of

Venus. Even in the sign of Moon he does not do such a great job curbing these

instincts, especially when Moon is in the sign of Venus.

Renu Ji, this person may have had (may still have due to Saturn dasha)

relationship( s) with not one but more than one woman (outside marriage). I

agree with Suni Ji that Jupiters aspect from a Kendra to the 8th house of Mangal

Suthra is what keeps this marriage going. Ironically it may have also helped to

keep the affair going as well.

Regards,

-Manoj

Anantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_ 98 >

ancient_indian_ astrology

Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:44:49 AM

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.

Dear Renu Ji and others:

If you consider from the moon, Mars happens to be in the eighth bhava from the

moon and it looks like there is Mars dosha. It also looses the Jupiter's aspect,

since Jupiter moves to the fifth bhava. Also Parasura talks about multiple

wifes if the seventh Lord is in the second house - it could be the reason for

the affair. The fact that Venus is in its own house is the probable reason for

her continued love regardless of the affair. Of course, this is post mortem

analysis and it is easy to deduce.. One thing I would have indicated is the Mars

dosha- dosha in the seventh and eighth house is more involved than the other

houses and I always look at the bhava chart for Mars dosha as per B.V. Raman's

advice.

Regards,

anantha krishnan

--- On Sat, 6/20/09, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

[ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.

ancient_indian_ astrology

Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:31 AM

Dear learned members,

This lady has 4 exalted planets. Su, Mo, Ju and Mars. No Mars dosha. But husband

had a serious illicit affair with another woman.

May be her exalted planets did not allow her to lodge true complaints at the

police station against his infidelity. On the other hand she never stopped

loving him. The family never broke.... I believe. I have not met them for a long

time.

Natal Chart

April 15, 1956

Time: 6:18:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 "

Colombo, Sri Lanka

blessings,

Renu

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June 22, 2009

Dear Chiranjiv Ji,

Pardon my typo. The 5th Lord is not that afflicted but 5th house is afflcited by both Sa and Ma.

Regards,

-Manoj

Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:08:44 AMRe: Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.

Dear Chiranjiv Ji,

Sunil Ji and Anantha Krishnan Ji have already commented from the native's perspective. So I tried some thing a little different by rotating the chart. As Sunil Ji has already mentioned there are pointers from the Native's perspective as well that marriage will not be very cordial. I also have to state that from the Native's perspective also there could have been opportunities for other relationships, but the strength of the 9th lord and Jupiter makes me pause before giving a wrong judgement (because 9th lord is lord of dharma). Although the 5th lord of morality is afflicted in the native's chart, which is probably why Sunil Ji correctly questioned about the native's children's status. Here again the strength of the Karaka Jupiter may have trumped the 5th lords afflictions.

I agree that the husband's chart will be most intruiging to analyze.

Regards,

-Manoj

chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 6:34:09 AM Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.

Dear Manoj ji, If i am not mistaken, you r deducing all this about the spouse from the chart of the native.What do all these combinations say about the native ??? I am be intruding into unravelling of the spouse, but he has his own horoscope too.--- On Mon, 22/6/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets..ancient_indian_ astrologyDate:

Monday, 22 June, 2009, 6:44 PMDear Anantha Krishnan Ji, Renu Ji and all, The key to infedility of the spouse in this chart is once again the sign of scorpio and nakshatras related to infedility in addittion to the other factors. Consider the following: Sa in Scorpio in AnuradhaRa in Scorpio in JyesthaVe and Mo in RohiniAll three nakshatras above are related to infedility, eloping, seduction etc.Plus Ju is in Asresha (a secretive nakshatra) whose dispositor Moon is in RohiniAlso Ju, Ma have rashi dhrishti on scorpioVe, Mo have graha dhrishti on scorpioSo in effect, in the Rashi chart, with the exception of Sun and Mercury all other grahas are related to scorpio. This exception is taken care of in the Navamsha Chart.In the D-9, Mo, Me have rashi dhrishti on scorpio, from CancerSun also has rashi dhrishti on scorpio from Aries. Especially Rashi dhrishti of Moon

and Mercury on Scorpio is very significant in D-9 since now you have both Manas and Budhi affected by Scorpio. The only difficulty I have seen is that we need to determine carefully if it is the Native who will me having an affair or is it the native's spouse? In this case since the native's 9th lord is exalted and his dispositor is also exalted, could be what prevented this native from having an affair herself. Her spouses matter on the other hand is clear if you take the 7th house as the lagna.From the 7th as lagna, you have Su and Mercury in the 7th.Just to have some fun on Sreeram Srinivas Ji, Me is "Marana Karaka Sthana" Back to seriousness, Su and Me in the 7th is obviously bad news. But more importantly Sun is the 11th lord in the 7th house. So 11th lord is a multiplier, Mercury is also a multiplier and he is also the 12th lord. This clearly indicates the spouse bringing multiple people in to his 7th

bhava.7th lord Ma is exalted in 4th house And 5th lord of morality Sa is in the 12th, scorpio, etc conjunct Rahu. I have also noticed that Jupiter's aspect does not always curb such behaviour. It can even enlarge it in some cases. Especially when Jp is in the signs of Venus. Even in the sign of Moon he does not do such a great job curbing these instincts, especially when Moon is in the sign of Venus. Renu Ji, this person may have had (may still have due to Saturn dasha) relationship( s) with not one but more than one woman (outside marriage). I agree with Suni Ji that Jupiters aspect from a Kendra to the 8th house of Mangal Suthra is what keeps this marriage going. Ironically it may have also helped to keep the affair going as well. Regards, -ManojAnantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_ 98 >ancient_indian_ astrologySunday, June 21, 2009

11:44:49 AMRe: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.Dear Renu Ji and others:If you consider from the moon, Mars happens to be in the eighth bhava from the moon and it looks like there is Mars dosha. It also looses the Jupiter's aspect, since Jupiter moves to the fifth bhava. Also Parasura talks about multiple wifes if the seventh Lord is in the second house - it could be the reason for the affair. The fact that Venus is in its own house is the probable reason for her continued love regardless of the affair. Of course, this is post mortem analysis and it is easy to deduce. One thing I would have indicated is the Mars dosha- dosha in the seventh and eighth house is more involved than the other houses and I always look at the bhava chart for Mars dosha as per B.V. Raman's advice.Regards,anantha krishnan--- On Sat, 6/20/09, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:renunw

<renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>[ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.ancient_indian_ astrologySaturday, June 20, 2009, 10:31 AMDear learned members,This lady has 4 exalted planets. Su, Mo, Ju and Mars. No Mars dosha. But husband had a serious illicit affair with another woman. May be her exalted planets did not allow her to lodge true complaints at the police station against his infidelity. On the other hand she never stopped loving him. The family never broke.... I believe. I have not met them for a long time. Natal ChartApril 15, 1956Time: 6:18:00Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00"Colombo, Sri Lankablessings,RenuICC World Twenty20 England & #39;09 exclusively on ! CRICKET http://cricket.

June 22, 2009

dear Manoj chandran ji due to my busy shedule in office which is non astrological i cannot participate in quality discussion .also here my computer dont hav my other 4 softwares too .Also my malayalam software which givs Gulika position according to kerala astrology is not in handy now Jhora is giving gulika in 5th H ,5th L sun has aspect of mars tho lagna Lord but also 8th L jupiter the karaka for kids also afflicted 5th H frm jupiter also afflicted by mars and double afflicted rahu is influencing the jup (mean s he can carry the sani effect too ) 5th H frm lagna has aspect of 2 malefics ,luckily Lord has drishti of one malefic only who happened to b lagna lord too other wise results wud hav been severe .that is why i asked is there is any mishapps or abortions etc happened to this lady rgrds sunil nair , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Chiranjiv Ji,> > Pardon my typo. The 5th Lord is not that afflicted but 5th house is afflcited by both Sa and Ma.> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > ________________________________> Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj > Monday, June 22, 2009 7:08:44 AM> Re: Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.> > > Dear Chiranjiv Ji,> > Sunil Ji and Anantha Krishnan Ji have already commented from the native's perspective. So I tried some thing a little different by rotating the chart. As Sunil Ji has already mentioned there are pointers from the Native's perspective as well that marriage will not be very cordial. I also have to state that from the Native's perspective also there could have been opportunities for other relationships, but the strength of the 9th lord and Jupiter makes me pause before giving a wrong judgement (because 9th lord is lord of dharma). Although the 5th lord of morality is afflicted in the native's chart, which is probably why Sunil Ji correctly questioned about the native's children's status. Here again the strength of the Karaka Jupiter may have trumped the 5th lords afflictions.> > I agree that the husband's chart will be most intruiging to analyze.> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > ________________________________> chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv > Monday, June 22, 2009 6:34:09 AM> Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > If i am not mistaken, you r deducing all this about the spouse from the chart of the native.> What do all these combinations say about the native ??? > I am be intruding into unravelling of the spouse, but he has his own horoscope too.> > --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets..> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, 22 June, 2009, 6:44 PM> > Dear Anantha Krishnan Ji, Renu Ji and all,> > The key to infedility of the spouse in this chart is once again the sign of scorpio and nakshatras related to infedility in addittion to the other factors. Consider the following:> > Sa in Scorpio in Anuradha> Ra in Scorpio in Jyestha> Ve and Mo in Rohini> All three nakshatras above are related to infedility, eloping, seduction etc.> Plus Ju is in Asresha (a secretive nakshatra) whose dispositor Moon is in Rohini> Also Ju, Ma have rashi dhrishti on scorpio> Ve, Mo have graha dhrishti on scorpio> So in effect, in the Rashi chart, with the exception of Sun and Mercury all other grahas are related to scorpio.> > This exception is taken care of in the Navamsha Chart.> In the D-9, Mo, Me have rashi dhrishti on scorpio, from Cancer> Sun also has rashi dhrishti on scorpio from Aries.> > Especially Rashi dhrishti of Moon and Mercury on Scorpio is very significant in D-9 since now you have both Manas and Budhi affected by Scorpio.> > The only difficulty I have seen is that we need to determine carefully if it is the Native who will me having an affair or is it the native's spouse? In this case since the native's 9th lord is exalted and his dispositor is also exalted, could be what prevented this native from having an affair herself.> > Her spouses matter on the other hand is clear if you take the 7th house as the lagna.> From the 7th as lagna, you have Su and Mercury in the 7th.> Just to have some fun on Sreeram Srinivas Ji, Me is "Marana Karaka Sthana" > Back to seriousness, Su and Me in the 7th is obviously bad news. But more importantly Sun is the 11th lord in the 7th house. So 11th lord is a multiplier, Mercury is also a multiplier and he is also the 12th lord. This clearly indicates the spouse bringing multiple people in to his 7th bhava.> 7th lord Ma is exalted in 4th house And 5th lord of morality Sa is in the 12th, scorpio, etc conjunct Rahu.> > I have also noticed that Jupiter's aspect does not always curb such behaviour. It can even enlarge it in some cases. Especially when Jp is in the signs of Venus. Even in the sign of Moon he does not do such a great job curbing these instincts, especially when Moon is in the sign of Venus.> > Renu Ji, this person may have had (may still have due to Saturn dasha) relationship( s) with not one but more than one woman (outside marriage). I agree with Suni Ji that Jupiters aspect from a Kendra to the 8th house of Mangal Suthra is what keeps this marriage going. Ironically it may have also helped to keep the affair going as well.> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > Anantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_ 98 >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:44:49 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.> > Dear Renu Ji and others:> If you consider from the moon, Mars happens to be in the eighth bhava from the moon and it looks like there is Mars dosha. It also looses the Jupiter's aspect, since Jupiter moves to the fifth bhava. Also Parasura talks about multiple wifes if the seventh Lord is in the second house - it could be the reason for the affair. The fact that Venus is in its own house is the probable reason for her continued love regardless of the affair. Of course, this is post mortem analysis and it is easy to deduce. One thing I would have indicated is the Mars dosha- dosha in the seventh and eighth house is more involved than the other houses and I always look at the bhava chart for Mars dosha as per B.V. Raman's advice.> Regards,> anantha krishnan> > --- On Sat, 6/20/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:> > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.> ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:31 AM> > Dear learned members,> > This lady has 4 exalted planets. Su, Mo, Ju and Mars. No Mars dosha. But husband had a serious illicit affair with another woman. > > May be her exalted planets did not allow her to lodge true complaints at the police station against his infidelity. On the other hand she never stopped loving him. The family never broke.... I believe. I have not met them for a long time. > > Natal Chart> > April 15, 1956> Time: 6:18:00> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00"> Colombo, Sri Lanka> > blessings,> > Renu> >

June 22, 2009

Dear Suni Ji,

Yes you are correct. There is quite a bit of affliction to 5th house matters. I was focussing more on 5th house as house of morality for infidelity purposes. It is interesting how things mingle together. Also I have so far never taken Upagrahas into account for my readings. Do you find all upagrahas useful or just Mandi?

Regards,

-Manoj

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 7:41:38 AM Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.

dear Manoj chandran ji due to my busy shedule in office which is non astrological i cannot participate in quality discussion .also here my computer dont hav my other 4 softwares too .Also my malayalam software which givs Gulika position according to kerala astrology is not in handy now Jhora is giving gulika in 5th H ,5th L sun has aspect of mars tho lagna Lord but also 8th L jupiter the karaka for kids also afflicted 5th H frm jupiter also afflicted by mars and double afflicted rahu is influencing the jup (mean s he can carry the sani effect too ) 5th H frm lagna has aspect of 2 malefics ,luckily Lord has drishti of one malefic only who happened to b lagna lord too other wise results wud hav been severe .that is why i asked is there is any mishapps or abortions etc happened to this lady rgrds sunil nair

ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Chiranjiv Ji,> > Pardon my typo. The 5th Lord is not that afflicted but 5th house is afflcited by both Sa and Ma.> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, June 22, 2009 7:08:44 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.> > > Dear Chiranjiv Ji,> > Sunil Ji and Anantha Krishnan Ji have already commented from the native's perspective. So I tried some thing a little different by rotating the chart. As Sunil Ji has already mentioned there are pointers from the Native's perspective as well that

marriage will not be very cordial. I also have to state that from the Native's perspective also there could have been opportunities for other relationships, but the strength of the 9th lord and Jupiter makes me pause before giving a wrong judgement (because 9th lord is lord of dharma). Although the 5th lord of morality is afflicted in the native's chart, which is probably why Sunil Ji correctly questioned about the native's children's status. Here again the strength of the Karaka Jupiter may have trumped the 5th lords afflictions.> > I agree that the husband's chart will be most intruiging to analyze.> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@. ..> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, June 22, 2009 6:34:09 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: No Mangal Dosha

- 4 exalted planets.> > > > > > Dear Manoj ji,> > If i am not mistaken, you r deducing all this about the spouse from the chart of the native.> What do all these combinations say about the native ??? > I am be intruding into unravelling of the spouse, but he has his own horoscope too.> > --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets..> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, 22 June, 2009, 6:44 PM> > Dear Anantha Krishnan Ji, Renu Ji and all,> > The key to infedility of the spouse in this chart is once again the sign of scorpio and nakshatras related

to infedility in addittion to the other factors. Consider the following:> > Sa in Scorpio in Anuradha> Ra in Scorpio in Jyestha> Ve and Mo in Rohini> All three nakshatras above are related to infedility, eloping, seduction etc.> Plus Ju is in Asresha (a secretive nakshatra) whose dispositor Moon is in Rohini> Also Ju, Ma have rashi dhrishti on scorpio> Ve, Mo have graha dhrishti on scorpio> So in effect, in the Rashi chart, with the exception of Sun and Mercury all other grahas are related to scorpio.> > This exception is taken care of in the Navamsha Chart.> In the D-9, Mo, Me have rashi dhrishti on scorpio, from Cancer> Sun also has rashi dhrishti on scorpio from Aries.> > Especially Rashi dhrishti of Moon and Mercury on Scorpio is very significant in D-9 since now you have both Manas and Budhi affected by Scorpio.>

> The only difficulty I have seen is that we need to determine carefully if it is the Native who will me having an affair or is it the native's spouse? In this case since the native's 9th lord is exalted and his dispositor is also exalted, could be what prevented this native from having an affair herself.> > Her spouses matter on the other hand is clear if you take the 7th house as the lagna.> From the 7th as lagna, you have Su and Mercury in the 7th.> Just to have some fun on Sreeram Srinivas Ji, Me is "Marana Karaka Sthana" > Back to seriousness, Su and Me in the 7th is obviously bad news. But more importantly Sun is the 11th lord in the 7th house. So 11th lord is a multiplier, Mercury is also a multiplier and he is also the 12th lord. This clearly indicates the spouse bringing multiple people in to his 7th bhava.> 7th lord Ma is exalted in 4th house And 5th lord of morality Sa is in the

12th, scorpio, etc conjunct Rahu.> > I have also noticed that Jupiter's aspect does not always curb such behaviour. It can even enlarge it in some cases. Especially when Jp is in the signs of Venus. Even in the sign of Moon he does not do such a great job curbing these instincts, especially when Moon is in the sign of Venus.> > Renu Ji, this person may have had (may still have due to Saturn dasha) relationship( s) with not one but more than one woman (outside marriage). I agree with Suni Ji that Jupiters aspect from a Kendra to the 8th house of Mangal Suthra is what keeps this marriage going. Ironically it may have also helped to keep the affair going as well.> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > Anantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_ 98 >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:44:49 AM>

Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.> > Dear Renu Ji and others:> If you consider from the moon, Mars happens to be in the eighth bhava from the moon and it looks like there is Mars dosha. It also looses the Jupiter's aspect, since Jupiter moves to the fifth bhava. Also Parasura talks about multiple wifes if the seventh Lord is in the second house - it could be the reason for the affair. The fact that Venus is in its own house is the probable reason for her continued love regardless of the affair. Of course, this is post mortem analysis and it is easy to deduce. One thing I would have indicated is the Mars dosha- dosha in the seventh and eighth house is more involved than the other houses and I always look at the bhava chart for Mars dosha as per B.V. Raman's advice.> Regards,> anantha krishnan> > --- On Sat, 6/20/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

wrote:> > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>> [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.> ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:31 AM> > Dear learned members,> > This lady has 4 exalted planets. Su, Mo, Ju and Mars. No Mars dosha. But husband had a serious illicit affair with another woman. > > May be her exalted planets did not allow her to lodge true complaints at the police station against his infidelity. On the other hand she never stopped loving him. The family never broke.... I believe. I have not met them for a long time. > > Natal Chart> > April 15, 1956> Time: 6:18:00> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 79 E 50' 00", 6 N 55' 00"> Colombo, Sri Lanka> > blessings,> > Renu>

>

June 22, 2009

Dear Sunil ji,

Sorry, I cannot tell exactly which part of her life was better...before/after

marriage.

I closely associated her only for a short time....and met only on formal

occasions afterwards.

May be I should try to contact her and get more information....will let you know

soon.

blessings,

Renu

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> dear renu ji

>

> thanks for the feed back

>

> how u rate her life, which part was good ,b4 marriage or after marriage

> ( i mean prosperity part )

>

> does she had any miscarriage ??

> yes ,sani did played in her hubbies life

>

> and his profession

>

> latest reports we hav to see how the sani dasa progressed yet till

>

> thanking u once again

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji,

> >

> > I cannot tell much about her right now. Her marriage was the result of

> a love affair, she Buddhist and the husband Christian....though I don't

> think the difference affected her two sons much.

> >

> > If I manage to get her phone number, I will surely let you know about

> her Sani dasha. I think they put up a new house and moved into it during

> this period...for sure it was after 1997.

> >

> > Her sons are doing well and the eldest got married about 3 years back.

> >

> > Husband is a professional photographer....and she a housewife. If my

> memory serves me right, he gave up his job, started on his own studio,

> it was a flop, joined another group of newspapers, and now jobless. All

> this happened after her Saturn MD commenced. I don't think he still

> carries on with that other woman...but you can never know...

> >

> > Sorry I cannot be of much help.

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

>

June 22, 2009

Dear Manoj ji,

Why do you say the key to infidelity ......is the sign Scorpio?

//with the exception of Sun and Mercury all other grahas are related to

scorpio.//

Why there is no Rashi dhrishti on Scorpio by Sun and Mercury? Did you consider

Jaimini aspects? If so, from Aries Sun & Mer do have RAshi dhrishti on

Scorpio.....

Please enlighten me...thanks.

blessings,

Renu

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Anantha Krishnan Ji, Renu Ji and all,

>

> The key to infedility of the spouse in this chart is once again the sign of

scorpio and nakshatras related to infedility in addittion to the other factors.

Consider the following:

>

> Sa in Scorpio in Anuradha

> Ra in Scorpio in Jyestha

> Ve and Mo in Rohini

> All three nakshatras above are related to infedility, eloping, seduction etc.

> Plus Ju is in Asresha (a secretive nakshatra) whose dispositor Moon is in

Rohini

> Also Ju, Ma have rashi dhrishti on scorpio

> Ve, Mo have graha dhrishti on scorpio

> So in effect, in the Rashi chart, with the exception of Sun and Mercury all

other grahas are related to scorpio.

>

> This exception is taken care of in the Navamsha Chart.

> In the D-9, Mo, Me have rashi dhrishti on scorpio, from Cancer

> Sun also has rashi dhrishti on scorpio from Aries.

>

> Especially Rashi dhrishti of Moon and Mercury on Scorpio is very significant

in D-9 since now you have both Manas and Budhi affected by Scorpio.

>

> The only difficulty I have seen is that we need to determine carefully if it

is the Native who will me having an affair or is it the native's spouse? In this

case since the native's 9th lord is exalted and his dispositor is also exalted,

could be what prevented this native from having an affair herself.

>

> Her spouses matter on the other hand is clear if you take the 7th house as the

lagna.

> From the 7th as lagna, you have Su and Mercury in the 7th.

> Just to have some fun on Sreeram Srinivas Ji, Me is " Marana Karaka Sthana "

> Back to seriousness, Su and Me in the 7th is obviously bad news. But more

importantly Sun is the 11th lord in the 7th house. So 11th lord is a multiplier,

Mercury is also a multiplier and he is also the 12th lord. This clearly

indicates the spouse bringing multiple people in to his 7th bhava.

> 7th lord Ma is exalted in 4th house And 5th lord of morality Sa is in the

12th, scorpio, etc conjunct Rahu.

>

> I have also noticed that Jupiter's aspect does not always curb such behaviour.

It can even enlarge it in some cases. Especially when Jp is in the signs of

Venus. Even in the sign of Moon he does not do such a great job curbing these

instincts, especially when Moon is in the sign of Venus.

>

> Renu Ji, this person may have had (may still have due to Saturn dasha)

relationship(s) with not one but more than one woman (outside marriage). I agree

with Suni Ji that Jupiters aspect from a Kendra to the 8th house of Mangal

Suthra is what keeps this marriage going. Ironically it may have also helped to

keep the affair going as well.

>

> Regards,

>

> -Manoj

>

> ________________________________

> Anantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_98

>

> Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:44:49 AM

> Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.

>

> Dear Renu Ji and others:

> If you consider from the moon, Mars happens to be in the eighth bhava from the

moon and it looks like there is Mars dosha. It also looses the Jupiter's aspect,

since Jupiter moves to the fifth bhava. Also Parasura talks about multiple

wifes if the seventh Lord is in the second house - it could be the reason for

the affair. The fact that Venus is in its own house is the probable reason for

her continued love regardless of the affair. Of course, this is post mortem

analysis and it is easy to deduce. One thing I would have indicated is the Mars

dosha- dosha in the seventh and eighth house is more involved than the other

houses and I always look at the bhava chart for Mars dosha as per B.V. Raman's

advice.

> Regards,

> anantha krishnan

>

> --- On Sat, 6/20/09, renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

>

> >renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> >[ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.

> >ancient_indian_ astrology

> >Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:31 AM

> >

> >Dear learned members,

> >

> >This lady has 4 exalted planets. Su, Mo, Ju and Mars. No Mars dosha. But

husband had a serious illicit affair with another woman.

> >

> >May be her exalted planets did not allow her to lodge true complaints at the

police station against his infidelity. On the other hand she never stopped

loving him. The family never broke.... I believe. I have not met them for a long

time.

> >

> >Natal Chart

> >

> >April 15, 1956

> >Time: 6:18:00

> >Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> >Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 "

> >Colombo, Sri Lanka

> >

> >blessings,

> >

> >Renu

> >

>

June 22, 2009

Dear Sunil ji,

//that is why i asked is there is any mishapps or abortions etc happened to this

lady //

I will check on this too...

blessings,

Renu

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> dear Manoj chandran ji

>

> due to my busy shedule in office which is non astrological i cannot

> participate in quality discussion .also here my computer dont hav my

> other 4 softwares too .Also my malayalam software which givs Gulika

> position according to kerala astrology is not in handy now

>

> Jhora is giving gulika in 5th H ,5th L sun has aspect of mars tho lagna

> Lord but also 8th L

>

> jupiter the karaka for kids also afflicted

>

> 5th H frm jupiter also afflicted by mars and double afflicted rahu is

> influencing the jup (mean s he can carry the sani effect too )

> 5th H frm lagna has aspect of 2 malefics ,luckily Lord has drishti of

> one malefic only who happened to b lagna lord too other wise results wud

> hav been severe .

>

> that is why i asked is there is any mishapps or abortions etc happened

> to this lady

>

> rgrds sunil nair

>

> , Manoj Chandran

> <chandran_manoj@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chiranjiv Ji,

> >

> > Pardon my typo. The 5th Lord is not that afflicted but 5th house is

> afflcited by both Sa and Ma.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > -Manoj

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@

> >

> > Monday, June 22, 2009 7:08:44 AM

> > Re: Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4

> exalted planets.

> >

> > Dear Chiranjiv Ji,

> >

> > Sunil Ji and Anantha Krishnan Ji have already commented from the

> native's perspective. So I tried some thing a little different by

> rotating the chart. As Sunil Ji has already mentioned there are pointers

> from the Native's perspective as well that marriage will not be very

> cordial. I also have to state that from the Native's perspective also

> there could have been opportunities for other relationships, but the

> strength of the 9th lord and Jupiter makes me pause before giving a

> wrong judgement (because 9th lord is lord of dharma). Although the 5th

> lord of morality is afflicted in the native's chart, which is probably

> why Sunil Ji correctly questioned about the native's children's status.

> Here again the strength of the Karaka Jupiter may have trumped the 5th

> lords afflictions.

> >

> > I agree that the husband's chart will be most intruiging to analyze.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > -Manoj

> >

> > ________________________________

> > chiranjiv mehta vchiranjiv@

> >

> > Monday, June 22, 2009 6:34:09 AM

> > Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted

> planets.

> >

> > Dear Manoj ji,

> >

> > If i am not mistaken, you r deducing all this about the spouse from

> the chart of the native.

> > What do all these combinations say about the native ???

> > I am be intruding into unravelling of the spouse, but he has his own

> horoscope too.

> >

> > --- On Mon, 22/6/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > wrote:

> >

> > Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted

> planets..

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Monday, 22 June, 2009, 6:44 PM

> >

> > Dear Anantha Krishnan Ji, Renu Ji and all,

> >

> > The key to infedility of the spouse in this chart is once again the

> sign of scorpio and nakshatras related to infedility in addittion to the

> other factors. Consider the following:

> >

> > Sa in Scorpio in Anuradha

> > Ra in Scorpio in Jyestha

> > Ve and Mo in Rohini

> > All three nakshatras above are related to infedility, eloping,

> seduction etc.

> > Plus Ju is in Asresha (a secretive nakshatra) whose dispositor Moon is

> in Rohini

> > Also Ju, Ma have rashi dhrishti on scorpio

> > Ve, Mo have graha dhrishti on scorpio

> > So in effect, in the Rashi chart, with the exception of Sun and

> Mercury all other grahas are related to scorpio.

> >

> > This exception is taken care of in the Navamsha Chart.

> > In the D-9, Mo, Me have rashi dhrishti on scorpio, from Cancer

> > Sun also has rashi dhrishti on scorpio from Aries.

> >

> > Especially Rashi dhrishti of Moon and Mercury on Scorpio is very

> significant in D-9 since now you have both Manas and Budhi affected by

> Scorpio.

> >

> > The only difficulty I have seen is that we need to determine carefully

> if it is the Native who will me having an affair or is it the native's

> spouse? In this case since the native's 9th lord is exalted and his

> dispositor is also exalted, could be what prevented this native from

> having an affair herself.

> >

> > Her spouses matter on the other hand is clear if you take the 7th

> house as the lagna.

> > From the 7th as lagna, you have Su and Mercury in the 7th.

> > Just to have some fun on Sreeram Srinivas Ji, Me is " Marana Karaka

> Sthana "

> > Back to seriousness, Su and Me in the 7th is obviously bad news. But

> more importantly Sun is the 11th lord in the 7th house. So 11th lord is

> a multiplier, Mercury is also a multiplier and he is also the 12th lord.

> This clearly indicates the spouse bringing multiple people in to his 7th

> bhava.

> > 7th lord Ma is exalted in 4th house And 5th lord of morality Sa is in

> the 12th, scorpio, etc conjunct Rahu.

> >

> > I have also noticed that Jupiter's aspect does not always curb such

> behaviour. It can even enlarge it in some cases. Especially when Jp is

> in the signs of Venus. Even in the sign of Moon he does not do such a

> great job curbing these instincts, especially when Moon is in the sign

> of Venus.

> >

> > Renu Ji, this person may have had (may still have due to Saturn dasha)

> relationship( s) with not one but more than one woman (outside

> marriage). I agree with Suni Ji that Jupiters aspect from a Kendra to

> the 8th house of Mangal Suthra is what keeps this marriage going.

> Ironically it may have also helped to keep the affair going as well.

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > -Manoj

> >

> > Anantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_ 98 >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Sunday, June 21, 2009 11:44:49 AM

> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted

> planets.

> >

> > Dear Renu Ji and others:

> > If you consider from the moon, Mars happens to be in the eighth bhava

> from the moon and it looks like there is Mars dosha. It also looses the

> Jupiter's aspect, since Jupiter moves to the fifth bhava. Also Parasura

> talks about multiple wifes if the seventh Lord is in the second house -

> it could be the reason for the affair. The fact that Venus is in its own

> house is the probable reason for her continued love regardless of the

> affair. Of course, this is post mortem analysis and it is easy to

> deduce. One thing I would have indicated is the Mars dosha- dosha in the

> seventh and eighth house is more involved than the other houses and I

> always look at the bhava chart for Mars dosha as per B.V. Raman's

> advice.

> > Regards,

> > anantha krishnan

> >

> > --- On Sat, 6/20/09, renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

> >

> > renunw renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk>

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted

> planets.

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Saturday, June 20, 2009, 10:31 AM

> >

> > Dear learned members,

> >

> > This lady has 4 exalted planets. Su, Mo, Ju and Mars. No Mars dosha.

> But husband had a serious illicit affair with another woman.

> >

> > May be her exalted planets did not allow her to lodge true complaints

> at the police station against his infidelity. On the other hand she

> never stopped loving him. The family never broke.... I believe. I have

> not met them for a long time.

> >

> > Natal Chart

> >

> > April 15, 1956

> > Time: 6:18:00

> > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 "

> > Colombo, Sri Lanka

> >

> > blessings,

> >

> > Renu

> >

>

> >

>

June 22, 2009

Dear Manoj ji sure ,as being part of kerala tradition i find generaly the gulika ( gulika and mandi we take as same and many times it givs diffrnt position than J HOra ,but i got manual calculation methods tho due to busy shedule i cud not work on it ) is working realy great in all charts .so kerala tradition has 10 planets including gulika only assossiation or aspect of jupiter can mellow it s effect on rasi or Lord generaly .but chasticity matters i request u to see 4th House in a ladies chart than 5th H pls u do ur own reserch and u can inform me and grp as 4th house rules real mind ,mentality ,how it can affect in this birth ( i think that is why malefics in this place givs always givs disturbance in life generaly unless they r exalted or benefics frm lagna or natural benefics )affliction to venus also governs morality generaly ( double or more afflictions r worst and see is ther is any jupiterian dristi which can purify venusian aspects in life ) but moksha karaka ketu can deny or delay only ,so i assume this lady can b more spiritual than utilised this given opportunity ( sure desa ,kala ,patra ,paristithi and ideals of a society alwys rules in this matters ) also since u concentrate in 5th H ,which also merits frm past life ,i request u to take 5th House in a diffrnt way take 5th H as lagna and see the planets in 8th H ( this is just to see the past life sins or merits ) u can see 7th L afflicted in 4th H ( frm 5th H ) ,means her past life which she cheated on her hubby or spouce is haunting her in this birth ,u can arrive at many reading this way ,using or treating 5th H as lagna ( now even u know why we treat good kids is part of merits of past life ) may b u can reject this suggestion outrightly as i dont hav any texts to support my views except my exprnce with charts and my guru's advise ( again i am basing my memory and some notes as i hardly has any texts in custody ) rgrds sunil nair , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Dear Suni Ji,> > Yes you are correct. There is quite a bit of affliction to 5th house matters. I was focussing more on 5th house as house of morality for infidelity purposes. It is interesting how things mingle together. Also I have so far never taken Upagrahas into account for my readings. Do you find all upagrahas useful or just Mandi?> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > ________________________________> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala > Monday, June 22, 2009 7:41:38 AM> Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.> > > > > > > dear Manoj chandran ji > > due to my busy shedule in office which is non astrological i cannot participate in quality discussion .also here my computer dont hav my other 4 softwares too .Also my malayalam software which givs Gulika position according to kerala astrology is not in handy now > > Jhora is giving gulika in 5th H ,5th L sun has aspect of mars tho lagna Lord but also 8th L > > jupiter the karaka for kids also afflicted > > 5th H frm jupiter also afflicted by mars and double afflicted rahu is influencing the jup (mean s he can carry the sani effect too ) > 5th H frm lagna has aspect of 2 malefics ,luckily Lord has drishti of one malefic only who happened to b lagna lord too other wise results wud hav been severe .> > that is why i asked is there is any mishapps or abortions etc happened to this lady > > rgrds sunil nair > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Chiranjiv Ji,> > > > Pardon my typo. The 5th Lord is not that afflicted but 5th house is afflcited by both Sa and Ma.> > > > Regards,> > > > -Manoj> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Manoj Chandran chandran_manoj@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Monday, June 22, 2009 7:08:44 AM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: No Mangal Dosha - 4 exalted planets.> > > > > > Dear Chiranjiv Ji,> > > > Sunil Ji and Anantha Krishnan Ji have already commented from the native's perspective. So I tried some thing a little different by rotating the chart. As Sunil Ji has already mentioned there are pointers from the Native's perspective as well that marriage will not be very cordial. I also have to state that from the Native's perspective also there could have been opportunities for other relationships, but the strength of the 9th lord and Jupiter makes me pause before giving a wrong judgement (because 9th lord is lord of dharma). Although the 5th lord of morality is afflicted in the native's chart, which is probably why Sunil Ji correctly questioned about the native's children's status. Here again the strength of the Karaka Jupiter may have trumped the 5th lords afflictions.> > > > I agree that the husband's chart will be most intruiging to analyze.> > > > Regards,> > > > -Manoj

June 22, 2009

Dear Manoj ji,

//I agree that the husband's chart will be most intruiging to analyze.//

Let me give you his chart....but I don't know much about him other than what I

have mentioned earlier. Just one more thing...he thinks he is handsome...in fact

before marriage he has played roles in a movie or two.

Natal Chart

December 25, 1949

Time: 6:28:00

Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

Place: 79 E 50' 00 " , 6 N 55' 00 "

Colombo, Sri Lanka

blessings,

Renu

, Manoj Chandran

<chandran_manoj wrote:

>

> Dear Chiranjiv Ji,

>

> Sunil Ji and Anantha Krishnan Ji have already commented from the native's