Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta

May 5, 2009

Dear Mr. Venkataraman,

Will you mind giving the five original Sanskrit verses of the Matsya Purana Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15, which you mentioned.

Secondly how do you explain the number of revolutions of the Moon and the Jupiter?

Regards,

Sunil K.Bhattacharjya

--- On Mon, 5/4/09, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

venkata krishnan <bcvk71Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjya, danielyogi7Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:51 AM

Dear Mr.Sunil,

I agree with Daniel Salas.The only correction being 12000 Devavarshas is the span of one Mahaayuga and to get the span of one Mahaayuga in terms ofhuman years we should multply 12000 by 360. According to Matsya Purana Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15,

Meaning:

'Thirty years of men is one month for Devas. A century of men is three months and a few days of the Devas. 360 human years make one year of the Devas. 3030 years makes one year of the Sapta-rshis. 9000 human years, make one year of Dhruva.

It is called Dhruva Samvatsara. 36,000 human years make one thousand divine years.'

B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN.

website: www.vedascience.com

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyavenkata krishnan <bcvk71Sunday, May 3, 2009 1:00:07 PMRe: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script

Dear Mr. Venkataraman,

You are not replying to the point. Please reply to the points raised. You cannot evade explaining the number of revolutions of the Moon and the Jupiter to your convenience. In the geocentric model there is no place for your imaginations as they do not simply fit in the geocentric model where the Sun a star becomes a graha, the Moon, a satellite of the earth becomes a graha and Jupiter is also a graha. In the geocentric model all the grahas revolve round the earth. Nowhere it is mentioned that you are to multiply the 12,000 years of Mahayuga years by 360 to get human years. For your information 2700 Divyavarsha is equal to 3030 human years. Please do not furnish unsubstantiated information.

--- On Sat, 5/2/09, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

venkata krishnan <bcvk71Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjyaCc: "Daniel Salas" <danielyogi7, , Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 11:44 PM

Dear Mr.Sunil,

One correction, The Suryasidhdhanta mentions as 43,20,000 years and not 43,32,000 years which is typographic error.The moon takes approximately 29 andodd earth days to revolve arround the earth.The earth takes approx 365days approx to revolvearround theSun which is also one human year.The sun takes 250million earth years (i.e.) human years to revolve arround the centre of Aakaashaganga(i.e.) Milkeyway galaxy.And all these have nothing to do with One Mahaayuga the span of which is 12,000 Deva years.If you multiply 12,000 Deva years with 360 human years the result is 43,20,000 human years which is earth years and this is the span of one Mahaayuga.The Sidereal period of rotation of the Sun is 25 and odd earthdays and the its period of rotation with respect to the earth is 27 and odd days.(Latitude

16 degrees).The span of one Mahayuga is certainly not the period of revolution or rotation of the Sun.The the revolution of earth arround the Sun is called the Solar years.

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyavenkata krishnan <bcvk71Cc: Daniel Salas <danielyogi7; ; Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 2:01:51 AMRe: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script

Dear Shri Venkatakrishnanji,

If what you are saying is correct then how do you explain that according to the Suryasiddhanta the number of revolution of the Moon is slightly greater than that of the Sun and that the number of revolution of the Jupiter is slightly lower than that of the Sun during the same Mahayuga period.

Yours sincerely,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sat, 5/2/09, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

venkata krishnan <bcvk71Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjya, "Daniel Salas" <danielyogi7Saturday, May 2, 2009, 12:21 AM

Dear Mr.Daniel Salas,

The Suryasiddhana mentioning of 43,32000 years is not the Solar years of Rotation of the Sun but the Number of human years which is the earth's revolution arround the Sun. The Sun revolves arround the centre of the Akashaganga (i.e.) Milkeyway galaxy in 250 million earth years approx which has been proved by modern Astronomy.

Yours sincerly,

B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN.

website: www.vedascience.com

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyaDaniel Salas <danielyogi7Cc: bcvk71Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 5:22:22 AMRe: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script

Then you may send the correct interpretation of the Suryasiddhanta to the eight others. Suryasiddhanta said that Mahayuga is 4,320,000 revolutions and not 4,320,000 years. Vinay Jha is confused as he thinks that one revolution means one year.

Thank you,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Daniel Salas <danielyogi7 wrote:

Daniel Salas <danielyogi7Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjyaFriday, May 1, 2009, 11:47 AM

Sorry, do you want me to retract the Email , I only sent it to 8 others.

Daniel F. Salas--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyaRe: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Daniel Salas" <danielyogi7Cc: bcvk71Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 4:32 PM

Daniel Salasji,

You are confusing Vinay jha's mails with my mail. The mail you quoted was actually from Vinay Jha.

skb--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Daniel Salas <danielyogi7 wrote:

Daniel Salas <danielyogi7Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Scriptsunil_bhattacharjyaDate: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:25 PM

--- On Thu, 4/30/09, danielyogi7 <danielyogi7 wrote:

danielyogi7 <danielyogi7calender of the Indus Valley Scriptbcvk71Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:22 PM

Vinay Jha said:

"Indians (of all ancient siddhaantas, incluing Aryabhatiya, Suryasiddhanta, Narada Purana, etc) used to give number of planetary revolutions in terms of revolutions per mahayuga". Suryasiddhanta clearly says that one mayayuga of 12000 divya years is equal to 4320000 solar years during which Sun makes 4320000 revolutions, Moon 57753336, Jupiter 364220, and so on. 4320000 revolutions of Sun is not possible in 12000 years.

If you take these numbers as is it makes no sense because 4320000 revolutions of the Sun is not possible in 12000 years. From Chitra 180 degrees with respect to Dhruva starts the calender at Asvin, then one lunar house equals 30 degrees. Due to the precession of the equinox the time period for the equinoctial shift through 1 degree of arc was 72 years. The time period for the shift to go through a whole astrological house was 2160 years. 72 x 30= 2160 then 2160 x 2 = 4320 a yuga. The callendar mutiplied this number by 100 or in modern times you can express the number as 4320.000 three decmil place precission .The Yajurveda and Samhita and other books list 27 Naksatras, the moon orbits the earth in 27 days (sidereal period see below) each night it spends in a Naksatra.

The Siddhaanta, Aryabhatiya, Suryasiddhanta, Narada Purana have the lunar orbits of a yuga as 57753336 agian mutiplied x 100 or 57753.336 three decmil place precission. 57753.336 divided by 4320.000 = 13.36882 360 / 27 = 13.333... each naksatras is assigned 13.333... of the ecliptic.

For Jupiter the ancient text have 364220 years again 3 decimal places 4320.000 / 364.220 = 11.860 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon Jupiter completes an orbit every 11.86 years around the Sun The Moon makes a complete orbit around the Earth with respect to the fixed stars about once every 27.3 days (its sidereal period). However, since the Earth is moving in its orbit about the Sun at the same time, it takes slightly longer for the Moon to show its same phase to Earth, which is about 29.5 days (its synodic

period).[6Earth's rotation by about 0.002 seconds per day per century.[52] As a result of the conservation of angular momentum, the slowing of Earth's rotation is accompanied by an increase of the mean Earth-Moon distance of about 3.8 m per century, or 3.8 cm per year.[53]

432 century's x 3.8 =1641.6 meters this may account for the sidereal miss of 27.3 and 27 degrees.

Daniel F. Salas

May 13, 2009

Dear Mr. Venkataraman,Thank you for the verses and you have given your interpretation of these earlier. May I ask you a related question, which is more like a corollary to the earlier question. That is what do you think, in the light of your interpretation of these verses, is the date of Lord Rama? If you have difficulty in giving the exact figure you may give a ball-park figure.Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Wed, 5/13/09, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:venkata krishnan <bcvk71Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjyaCc: danielyogi7, ,

Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 5:31 AM

Dear Mr.Sunil, One correction, the 3,60,000 human years make one thousand divine years and not 36,000 human years as typed by me.I t was a typographic error. The original Sanskrit slokas Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15 are as follows: Sloka No.11 trimsadyaani tu varshaaNi divyo maasastu sa smrtah, maanushaaNaam satam yacca divyaa maasaastrayastu vai, patayeva saha sakhyaato divya esha vidhih smrtah. Sloka No.12 treeni varshasataanyevam shashti varshaiastathaiva ca, divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanusheNa prakortitah. Sloka No.13 treeni varshasahasraaNi maanusheNa pramaaNatah, trimsadanyaani varshaaNi smrtah saptarshivatsarah. Sloka No.14 nava yaani sahasraaNi varshaaNaam maanushaaNi ca, varshaaNi navatiscaiva dhdavasamvatsarah smrtha. Sloka No.15 shatttamsattu sahasraaNi varshaaNaam maanushaaNi ca, shashtiscaiva sahasraaNi samkhyaataani tu samahyayaa, divyam varshasahasram tu praahuh samahyaavido janaa Regarding the revolutions of Moon and Jupiter the method of calculation is the same as Mr Daniel Salas workedout the only difference is that he has taken the number of years of revolution of Sun, Jupiter and Moon and divided the actual number of years mentioned in the Texts by 1000 which should not be done but the result is same. B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN. website: www.vedascience.com

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyabcvk71Cc: danielyogi7; ; Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 7:54:29 AMSpan of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta

Dear Mr. Venkataraman,

Will you mind giving the five original Sanskrit verses of the Matsya Purana Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15, which you mentioned.

Secondly how do you explain the number of revolutions of the Moon and the Jupiter?

Regards,

Sunil K.Bhattacharjya

--- On Mon, 5/4/09, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

venkata krishnan <bcvk71Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjya, danielyogi7Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:51 AM

Dear Mr.Sunil,

I agree with Daniel Salas.The only correction being 12000 Devavarshas is the span of one Mahaayuga and to get the span of one Mahaayuga in terms ofhuman years we should multply 12000 by 360. According to Matsya Purana Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15,

Meaning:

'Thirty years of men is one month for Devas. A century of men is three months and a few days of the Devas. 360 human years make one year of the Devas. 3030 years makes one year of the Sapta-rshis. 9000 human years, make one year of Dhruva. It is called Dhruva Samvatsara. 36,000 human years make one thousand divine years.' B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN. website: www.vedascience.com

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyavenkata krishnan <bcvk71Sunday, May 3, 2009 1:00:07 PMRe: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script

Dear Mr. Venkataraman,

You are not replying to the point. Please reply to the points raised. You cannot evade explaining the number of revolutions of the Moon and the Jupiter to your convenience. In the geocentric model there is no place for your imaginations as they do not simply fit in the geocentric model where the Sun a star becomes a graha, the Moon, a satellite of the earth becomes a graha and Jupiter is also a graha. In the geocentric model all the grahas revolve round the earth. Nowhere it is mentioned that you are to multiply the 12,000 years of Mahayuga years by 360 to get human years. For your information 2700 Divyavarsha is equal to 3030 human years. Please do not furnish unsubstantiated information.

--- On Sat, 5/2/09, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

venkata krishnan <bcvk71Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjyaCc: "Daniel Salas" <danielyogi7, , Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 11:44 PM

Dear Mr.Sunil,

One correction, The Suryasidhdhanta mentions as 43,20,000 years and not 43,32,000 years which is typographic error.The moon takes approximately 29 andodd earth days to revolve arround the earth.The earth takes approx 365days approx to revolvearround theSun which is also one human year.The sun takes 250million earth years (i.e.) human years to revolve arround the centre of Aakaashaganga(i.e.) Milkeyway galaxy.And all these have nothing to do with One Mahaayuga the span of which is 12,000 Deva years.If you multiply 12,000 Deva years with 360 human years the result is 43,20,000 human years which is earth years and this is the span of one Mahaayuga.The Sidereal period of rotation of the Sun is 25 and odd earthdays and the its period of rotation with respect to the earth is 27 and odd days.(Latitude

16 degrees).The span of one Mahayuga is certainly not the period of revolution or rotation of the Sun.The the revolution of earth arround the Sun is called the Solar years.

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyavenkata krishnan <bcvk71Cc: Daniel Salas <danielyogi7; ; Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 2:01:51 AMRe: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script

Dear Shri Venkatakrishnanji,

If what you are saying is correct then how do you explain that according to the Suryasiddhanta the number of revolution of the Moon is slightly greater than that of the Sun and that the number of revolution of the Jupiter is slightly lower than that of the Sun during the same Mahayuga period.

Yours sincerely,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sat, 5/2/09, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

venkata krishnan <bcvk71Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjya, "Daniel Salas" <danielyogi7Saturday, May 2, 2009, 12:21 AM

Dear Mr.Daniel Salas,

The Suryasiddhana mentioning of 43,32000 years is not the Solar years of Rotation of the Sun but the Number of human years which is the earth's revolution arround the Sun. The Sun revolves arround the centre of the Akashaganga (i.e.) Milkeyway galaxy in 250 million earth years approx which has been proved by modern Astronomy.

Yours sincerly,

B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN.

website: www.vedascience.com

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyaDaniel Salas <danielyogi7Cc: bcvk71Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 5:22:22 AMRe: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script

Then you may send the correct interpretation of the Suryasiddhanta to the eight others. Suryasiddhanta said that Mahayuga is 4,320,000 revolutions and not 4,320,000 years. Vinay Jha is confused as he thinks that one revolution means one year.

Thank you,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Daniel Salas <danielyogi7 wrote:

Daniel Salas <danielyogi7Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjyaFriday, May 1, 2009, 11:47 AM

Sorry, do you want me to retract the Email , I only sent it to 8 others.

Daniel F. Salas--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyaRe: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Daniel Salas" <danielyogi7Cc: bcvk71Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 4:32 PM

Daniel Salasji,

You are confusing Vinay jha's mails with my mail. The mail you quoted was actually from Vinay Jha.

skb--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Daniel Salas <danielyogi7 wrote:

Daniel Salas <danielyogi7Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Scriptsunil_bhattacharjyaDate: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:25 PM

--- On Thu, 4/30/09, danielyogi7 <danielyogi7 wrote:

danielyogi7 <danielyogi7calender of the Indus Valley Scriptbcvk71Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:22 PM

Vinay Jha said:

"Indians (of all ancient siddhaantas, incluing Aryabhatiya, Suryasiddhanta, Narada Purana, etc) used to give number of planetary revolutions in terms of revolutions per mahayuga". Suryasiddhanta clearly says that one mayayuga of 12000 divya years is equal to 4320000 solar years during which Sun makes 4320000 revolutions, Moon 57753336, Jupiter 364220, and so on. 4320000 revolutions of Sun is not possible in 12000 years.

If you take these numbers as is it makes no sense because 4320000 revolutions of the Sun is not possible in 12000 years. From Chitra 180 degrees with respect to Dhruva starts the calender at Asvin, then one lunar house equals 30 degrees. Due to the precession of the equinox the time period for the equinoctial shift through 1 degree of arc was 72 years. The time period for the shift to go through a whole astrological house was 2160 years. 72 x 30= 2160 then 2160 x 2 = 4320 a yuga. The callendar mutiplied this number by 100 or in modern times you can express the number as 4320.000 three decmil place precission .The Yajurveda and Samhita and other books list 27 Naksatras, the moon orbits the earth in 27 days (sidereal period see below) each night it spends in a Naksatra.

The Siddhaanta, Aryabhatiya, Suryasiddhanta, Narada Purana have the lunar orbits of a yuga as 57753336 agian mutiplied x 100 or 57753.336 three decmil place precission. 57753.336 divided by 4320.000 = 13.36882 360 / 27 = 13.333... each naksatras is assigned 13.333... of the ecliptic.

For Jupiter the ancient text have 364220 years again 3 decimal places 4320.000 / 364.220 = 11.860 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon Jupiter completes an orbit every 11.86 years around the Sun The Moon makes a complete orbit around the Earth with respect to the fixed stars about once every 27.3 days (its sidereal period). However, since the Earth is moving in its orbit about the Sun at the same time, it takes slightly longer for the Moon to show its same phase to Earth, which is about 29.5 days (its synodic

period).[6Earth's rotation by about 0.002 seconds per day per century.[52] As a result of the conservation of angular momentum, the slowing of Earth's rotation is accompanied by an increase of the mean Earth-Moon distance of about 3.8 m per century, or 3.8 cm per year.[53]

432 century's x 3.8 =1641.6 meters this may account for the sidereal miss of 27.3 and 27 degrees.

Daniel F. Salas

May 13, 2009

Dear Shri Sunil ji,

With due respects to you-

It just came to my notice that you have copy pasted one of my mails written to you, in this Group, to another group- Jyotish Group. I am not in that group since last 10 days or so, because I d from there due to personal reasons.

In fact you put your reply there and a copy from my mail given to you here. If you had to do this, then you must also put my subsequent mails given to you here, over there, without you writing a new reply over there.

I request you, to please do not do so again in future , because since I am not there on that platform to defend myself, it does not show any logic to put the mails written by me over there. This practise is also not in good taste, and distasteful if done with people like me who are not here to harm anybody.

kind regards,

Bhaskar.

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji,> > I have the Bhagavat Purana in two volumes from the Gita Press. It gives the span of the Mahayuga and also gives the numerals to calculate the four yugas. Applying the applicable mathematical rules the span of the Kali yuga comes out to be 4800 years. As per this calculation Lord Biuddha was born in the Kali yuga. > > According to the figures arrived at by Prafulla from the Mahabharata Lord Buddha was not born in Kali yuga and you too seem to have accepted it without questioning. If two books from the same Press give two different yuga spans it is natural that eyebrows will be raised. You are blessed as you have not noticed this discrepancy.> > I am away from India and due to weight restrictions it is not possible to bring all books with me. I would have been happy if Prafulla would have also checked the verses in the critical edition of the Mahabharata brought out by the Bhandarkar Oriental Reasearch Institute (BORI), the copies of which should be available in some libraries in Kalyan and Mumbai. Further I could not accept Prafulla's statement that the Kali yuga was selectively extended and he had not given any reference on it from the Mahabharata. In a way he is negating the span of the Kali yuga given by his verses. Is it not a discrepancy?> > Since you are quite upset about the questioning of the verses I think you may also check up in the BORI version and tell us what you find there. In so doing you will not waste your time. But if you do not have interest in yuga systems just ignore these mails on the yugas. The does not have any restrictions on the number of mails that can be posted in the group at any time. So these mails on the yugas are not coming in the way of the number of mails you are interested in.> > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > > > --- On Sun, 5/10/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:> > > Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish> Re: Originality of Suryasiddhanta> > Sunday, May 10, 2009, 10:21 PM> > > > > > > > > > > Those who are eternally into the fixing of dates in antiquity, etc , I> request them not to bring in "Gita press" in their muddle.> > There are no time wasters in Gita press, all are authentic writers, the> writers there are very spiritual, and the contents of their writings are> the best in India. They have been able to store and relay the> information which one could never find at any other single place.> > Before anyone takes the name of "Gita Press" as having given them wrong> information, let them quote the name of the Text printed by Gita Press,> and the Page number, and the exact words mentioned therein.> > Those who say Gita Press is wrong, prove it theroteically with proof,> quoting what is mentioned exactly which is wrong, why is it wrong and> what must be the right insertion?> > Most of these members have all the time of the world to discuss and> discuss reaching nowhere and to escape their extra erroneous chatter,> they bring in names of supreme institutions like "Gita Press" to defend> their nonsense utterances.> > Dont do so, because the Gita Press are not time wasters like you. They> are real people, Godly, Wise, and Knowledgable.> > Bhaskar.> >

May 14, 2009

Dear Bhaskarji,

Thank you for informing me that you have left the Jyotishgroup for personal reasons. I shall keep that in mind.

Thank you once again.

regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

May 17, 2009

Dear Mr. Venkataraman,

Thank you for giving your opinion on the date of Lord Rama. So you may be advocating that the date of the Vedas will also be something like Million years ago.

From the Pauranic dynasty of the Suryavamsha I find it difficult to agrre with you. Further to my knowledge Lord Rama was from the Ikshaku Vamsha and Lord Buddha was also from the same Vamsha. I understand that they could have been separated at most by a few thousand years. So let us agree to disagree on the date of Lord Rama.

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

venkata krishnan <bcvk71Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjyaCc: danielyogi7, , Date: Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:41 PM

Dear Mr.Sunil,

The the LORD RAAMA Avataara took place around 9,00,000 years ago according to my research.According to Srimadbhagavata LORD RAAMAAVATAARA took place in this Dretaayuga ( i.e. ) SVETAVARAAHAKALPA, VAIVASVATAMANVANTAARA 28th Mahaayuga Dretaayuga.

B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN.

website: www.vedascience.com

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyavenkata krishnan <bcvk71Cc: danielyogi7; ; Sent: Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:34:57 PMRe: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta

Dear Mr. Venkataraman,Thank you for the verses and you have given your interpretation of these earlier. May I ask you a related question, which is more like a corollary to the earlier question. That is what do you think, in the light of your interpretation of these verses, is the date of Lord Rama? If you have difficulty in giving the exact figure you may give a ball-park figure.Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Wed, 5/13/09, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

venkata krishnan <bcvk71Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjyaCc: danielyogi7, , Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 5:31 AM

Dear Mr.Sunil,

One correction, the 3,60,000 human years make one thousand divine years and not 36,000 human years as typed by me.I t was a typographic error.

The original Sanskrit slokas Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15 are as follows:

Sloka No.11

trimsadyaani tu varshaaNi divyo maasastu sa smrtah,

maanushaaNaam satam yacca divyaa maasaastrayastu vai, patayeva saha sakhyaato divya esha vidhih smrtah.

Sloka No.12

treeni varshasataanyevam shashti varshaiastathaiva ca,

divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanusheNa prakortitah.

Sloka No.13

treeni varshasahasraaNi maanusheNa pramaaNatah,

trimsadanyaani varshaaNi smrtah saptarshivatsarah.

Sloka No.14

nava yaani sahasraaNi varshaaNaam maanushaaNi ca,

varshaaNi navatiscaiva dhdavasamvatsarah smrtha.

Sloka No.15

shatttamsattu sahasraaNi varshaaNaam maanushaaNi ca,

shashtiscaiva sahasraaNi samkhyaataani tu samahyayaa,

divyam varshasahasram tu praahuh samahyaavido janaa

Regarding the revolutions of Moon and Jupiter the method of calculation is the same as Mr Daniel Salas workedout the only difference is that he has taken the number of years of revolution of Sun, Jupiter and Moon and divided the actual number of years mentioned in the Texts by 1000 which should not be done but the result is same.

B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN.

website: www.vedascience.com

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyabcvk71Cc: danielyogi7; ; Sent: Tuesday, May 5, 2009 7:54:29 AMSpan of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta

Dear Mr. Venkataraman,

Will you mind giving the five original Sanskrit verses of the Matsya Purana Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15, which you mentioned.

Secondly how do you explain the number of revolutions of the Moon and the Jupiter?

Regards,

Sunil K.Bhattacharjya

--- On Mon, 5/4/09, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

venkata krishnan <bcvk71Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjya, danielyogi7Date: Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:51 AM

Dear Mr.Sunil,

I agree with Daniel Salas.The only correction being 12000 Devavarshas is the span of one Mahaayuga and to get the span of one Mahaayuga in terms ofhuman years we should multply 12000 by 360. According to Matsya Purana Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15,

Meaning:

'Thirty years of men is one month for Devas. A century of men is three months and a few days of the Devas. 360 human years make one year of the Devas. 3030 years makes one year of the Sapta-rshis. 9000 human years, make one year of Dhruva. It is called Dhruva Samvatsara. 36,000 human years make one thousand divine years.' B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN. website: www.vedascience.com

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyavenkata krishnan <bcvk71Sunday, May 3, 2009 1:00:07 PMRe: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script

Dear Mr. Venkataraman,

You are not replying to the point. Please reply to the points raised. You cannot evade explaining the number of revolutions of the Moon and the Jupiter to your convenience. In the geocentric model there is no place for your imaginations as they do not simply fit in the geocentric model where the Sun a star becomes a graha, the Moon, a satellite of the earth becomes a graha and Jupiter is also a graha. In the geocentric model all the grahas revolve round the earth. Nowhere it is mentioned that you are to multiply the 12,000 years of Mahayuga years by 360 to get human years. For your information 2700 Divyavarsha is equal to 3030 human years. Please do not furnish unsubstantiated information.

--- On Sat, 5/2/09, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

venkata krishnan <bcvk71Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjyaCc: "Daniel Salas" <danielyogi7, , Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 11:44 PM

Dear Mr.Sunil,

One correction, The Suryasidhdhanta mentions as 43,20,000 years and not 43,32,000 years which is typographic error.The moon takes approximately 29 andodd earth days to revolve arround the earth.The earth takes approx 365days approx to revolvearround theSun which is also one human year.The sun takes 250million earth years (i.e.) human years to revolve arround the centre of Aakaashaganga(i.e.) Milkeyway galaxy.And all these have nothing to do with One Mahaayuga the span of which is 12,000 Deva years.If you multiply 12,000 Deva years with 360 human years the result is 43,20,000 human years which is earth years and this is the span of one Mahaayuga.The Sidereal period of rotation of the Sun is 25 and odd earthdays and the its period of rotation with respect to the earth is 27 and odd days.(Latitude

16 degrees).The span of one Mahayuga is certainly not the period of revolution or rotation of the Sun.The the revolution of earth arround the Sun is called the Solar years.

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyavenkata krishnan <bcvk71Cc: Daniel Salas <danielyogi7; ; Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 2:01:51 AMRe: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script

Dear Shri Venkatakrishnanji,

If what you are saying is correct then how do you explain that according to the Suryasiddhanta the number of revolution of the Moon is slightly greater than that of the Sun and that the number of revolution of the Jupiter is slightly lower than that of the Sun during the same Mahayuga period.

Yours sincerely,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sat, 5/2/09, venkata krishnan <bcvk71 wrote:

venkata krishnan <bcvk71Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjya, "Daniel Salas" <danielyogi7Saturday, May 2, 2009, 12:21 AM

Dear Mr.Daniel Salas,

The Suryasiddhana mentioning of 43,32000 years is not the Solar years of Rotation of the Sun but the Number of human years which is the earth's revolution arround the Sun. The Sun revolves arround the centre of the Akashaganga (i.e.) Milkeyway galaxy in 250 million earth years approx which has been proved by modern Astronomy.

Yours sincerly,

B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN.

website: www.vedascience.com

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyaDaniel Salas <danielyogi7Cc: bcvk71Sent: Saturday, May 2, 2009 5:22:22 AMRe: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script

Then you may send the correct interpretation of the Suryasiddhanta to the eight others. Suryasiddhanta said that Mahayuga is 4,320,000 revolutions and not 4,320,000 years. Vinay Jha is confused as he thinks that one revolution means one year.

Thank you,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Fri, 5/1/09, Daniel Salas <danielyogi7 wrote:

Daniel Salas <danielyogi7Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Sunil Bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjyaFriday, May 1, 2009, 11:47 AM

Sorry, do you want me to retract the Email , I only sent it to 8 others.

Daniel F. Salas--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjyaRe: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script"Daniel Salas" <danielyogi7Cc: bcvk71Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 4:32 PM

Daniel Salasji,

You are confusing Vinay jha's mails with my mail. The mail you quoted was actually from Vinay Jha.

skb--- On Thu, 4/30/09, Daniel Salas <danielyogi7 wrote:

Daniel Salas <danielyogi7Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Scriptsunil_bhattacharjyaDate: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:25 PM

--- On Thu, 4/30/09, danielyogi7 <danielyogi7 wrote:

danielyogi7 <danielyogi7calender of the Indus Valley Scriptbcvk71Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:22 PM

Vinay Jha said:

"Indians (of all ancient siddhaantas, incluing Aryabhatiya, Suryasiddhanta, Narada Purana, etc) used to give number of planetary revolutions in terms of revolutions per mahayuga". Suryasiddhanta clearly says that one mayayuga of 12000 divya years is equal to 4320000 solar years during which Sun makes 4320000 revolutions, Moon 57753336, Jupiter 364220, and so on. 4320000 revolutions of Sun is not possible in 12000 years.

If you take these numbers as is it makes no sense because 4320000 revolutions of the Sun is not possible in 12000 years. From Chitra 180 degrees with respect to Dhruva starts the calender at Asvin, then one lunar house equals 30 degrees. Due to the precession of the equinox the time period for the equinoctial shift through 1 degree of arc was 72 years. The time period for the shift to go through a whole astrological house was 2160 years. 72 x 30= 2160 then 2160 x 2 = 4320 a yuga. The callendar mutiplied this number by 100 or in modern times you can express the number as 4320.000 three decmil place precission .The Yajurveda and Samhita and other books list 27 Naksatras, the moon orbits the earth in 27 days (sidereal period see below) each night it spends in a Naksatra.

The Siddhaanta, Aryabhatiya, Suryasiddhanta, Narada Purana have the lunar orbits of a yuga as 57753336 agian mutiplied x 100 or 57753.336 three decmil place precission. 57753.336 divided by 4320.000 = 13.36882 360 / 27 = 13.333... each naksatras is assigned 13.333... of the ecliptic.

For Jupiter the ancient text have 364220 years again 3 decimal places 4320.000 / 364.220 = 11.860 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon Jupiter completes an orbit every 11.86 years around the Sun The Moon makes a complete orbit around the Earth with respect to the fixed stars about once every 27.3 days (its sidereal period). However, since the Earth is moving in its orbit about the Sun at the same time, it takes slightly longer for the Moon to show its same phase to Earth, which is about 29.5 days (its synodic

period).[6Earth's rotation by about 0.002 seconds per day per century.[52] As a result of the conservation of angular momentum, the slowing of Earth's rotation is accompanied by an increase of the mean Earth-Moon distance of about 3.8 m per century, or 3.8 cm per year.[53]

432 century's x 3.8 =1641.6 meters this may account for the sidereal miss of 27.3 and 27 degrees.

Daniel F. Salas

May 21, 2009

Mr. Vinay Jha,

In an earlier mail you have triumphantly quoted the number of revolutions of the Sun, the Moon and the Juipter from the Suryasiddhanta and then you gave your manipulated calculations for arriving at the figure of 365+ using the number of revolutiuons of the Sun. At that time you tactfully evaded the calculations using the revolutions of the Moon and the Jupiter. I reminded you about it and yet you are ignoring it time and again. This itself proves that you are wrong. Please give the calculations for the revolutions of the Moon and the Jupiter without any delay and prove your point, Mr. Vinay Jha.

Moreover you want others to believe every word you say. You claim to be a monk and do you think all the monks in the world are above board? I feel your attitude should befit a monk and that is more important than your self-declaration that you are a monk. What has monkhood to do with the discussions on Hindu astronomy and astrology. Moreover many of us including me do not know you. I am sure you do not want the learned members of the group to appear naive to accept every word you say, unless you substantiate what you say, particularly when the substantiation is asked for.

You said I advised you anbout the benefits of the two tolas of wine. Can you please quote the mails as to when and where and in what context I wrote about the Tantric practice of taking two tolas of wine? You condemned the Tantra as anti-Vedic and told that Tantra advocates drinking and other undesirable practices. I only told you that Kularnava tantra says that it is based on Veda and I also told you as to why in some tantric practices there is the allowance of two tolas of wine and that was by no means a suggestion to you to take wine. Please do not twist facts in a forum of intelligent people. If you want to practice Tantra then please go to a tantric guru and do as he tells you. But for God's sake do not mislead the group members by your false statements. I know you are peeved at my objections to some of your statements and instead of giving satisfactory answers you are angry. A true monk always

tells the fact and is cool and never angry and vindictive like you are. Please try to be a good monk and do not utter or write about wine, whether it is two tolas or two gallons. It is unbecoming of a monk.

Look at Ventakrishnanji. I appreciate his way of acting. He gave me the verses from the Matsya Purana (though without his interpretation of the text) and he also gave his date of Lord Rama as 90,000 years ago (though without showing how he arrivede at that figure). Now he no longer says that the number 4,320,000 is related to the time (in years) of the Sun's revolution around the Galaxy. We do not agree with each other and that is all.

I never said that Hindu cosmology is wrong. One Mahayuga is 12,000 years and 1,000 such Mahayuga is one day of Brahma. Thus one day of Brahma is equal to 12 million years. Similarly one night of Brahma is 12 million years. So one day and night together of Brahma is 24 million years. Brahma's one year is 24 million X 360 = 8.64 billion years. Show me where it is said that Brahma's life is only one day and one night. At the end of his l;ife one Brahma goes away another Brahma comes. Hindu cosmology somewhat tallies with the findings of the modern scientists.

Sincerely,

-SKB--- On Wed, 5/20/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 11:03 AM

To Mr B.C. Venkatakrishnan, Daniel F. Salas, & SKB :Mr Sunil Ji was making wrong statements that one divya varsha was equalto one solar year. I supplied him verses from Suryasiddhanta and othersiddhantas, Mahabharata, but he is under an oath never to accept truth.When Venkatakrishnan Ji supplied him verses from Matsya Purana, SKBinstantly shifted to Lord Rama. He is accusing me of misinterpreting onedivya year as being equal to 360 human years, and says it is myinvention. When I supply verses from ancient texts, he either abuses meor diverts the topic to Lord Rama. A deliberate distortion of ancienttexts is a crime. If SKB does not accept the figures given inscriptures, he should abuse those scriptures, not me.Fortunately, Mr B.C. Venkatakrishnan, Daniel F. Salas are normalgrihastas and not monks, hence they escaped abuses from SKB. In threadsdedicated to discussions about ancient

siddhanta, he twice advised meabout the benefits of two tolas of wine every day, knowing full wellthat such an advice should not be given to a monk who is maintaininglifelong celibacy (any reference to the term "brahmachaari" makes himmad with anger). Why he has so much ire against scriptures and monks ??Where lies the fault ? In him, or in the scriptures ? All ancient textsinvariably accept one divya year to be equal to 360 human years, whileSKB wants to pack whole human history within 12000 human years. PresentMahaayuga began 3.9 million years ago. Scientists also accept thatmodern genus of mankind started evolving at about the same time. Mr B.C.Venkatakrishnan says Sun revolves round the galactic centre once every250 year. I believe this figue is about 300 million years, or oneManavantara. Evidence of Modern Value of Precession in Bhaskaracharya' sWork based on Suryasiddhanta can be seen at

Click_Here<http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Ayanamsha+ vs+Precession> . Ifancient knowledge was scientific and spread over great extent of timeand place, persons like SKB get infuriated.-Vinay Jha============ ========= == ====, Sunil Bhattacharjya<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:>> Dear Mr. Venkataraman,>> Thank you for giving your opinion on the date of Lord Rama. So you maybe advocating that the date of the Vedas will also be something likeMillion years ago.>> From the Pauranic dynasty of the Suryavamsha I find it difficult toagrre with you. Further

to my knowledge Lord Rama was from the IkshakuVamsha and Lord Buddha was also from the same Vamsha. I understand thatthey could have been separated at most by a few thousand years. So letus agree to disagree on the date of Lord Rama.>> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya>>>> --- On Sat, 5/16/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71 wrote:>>> venkata krishnan bcvk71 Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta> "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya Cc: danielyogi7@ ..., ancient_indian_ astrology,> Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:41 PM>>>>>>> Dear Mr.Sunil,> The the LORD RAAMA Avataara took place around9,00,000 years ago according to my research.According to SrimadbhagavataLORD RAAMAAVATAARA took place in this Dretaayuga ( i.e. )SVETAVARAAHAKALPA, VAIVASVATAMANVANTAA RA 28th Mahaayuga Dretaayuga.> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> website: www.vedascience. com>>>>>> Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya venkata krishnan bcvk71 Cc: danielyogi7@ ...; ancient_indian_ astrology;> Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:34:57 PM> Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta>>>>>> Dear Mr. Venkataraman,>> Thank you for the verses and you have given your interpretation ofthese earlier. May I ask you a related question, which is more like acorollary to the earlier question. That is what do you think, in thelight of your interpretation of these verses, is the date of Lord Rama?If you have difficulty in giving the exact figure you may give aball-park figure.>> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya>>>> --- On Wed, 5/13/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71 wrote:>>> venkata krishnan bcvk71

Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta> "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya Cc: danielyogi7@ ..., ancient_indian_ astrology,> Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 5:31 AM>>>>>>>> Dear Mr.Sunil,> One correction, the 3,60,000 human years makeone thousand divine years and not 36,000 human years as typed by me.I twas a typographic error.> The original Sanskrit slokas Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15 are asfollows:> Sloka

No.11> trimsadyaani tu varshaaNi divyo maasastu sa smrtah,> maanushaaNaam satam yacca divyaa maasaastrayastu vai,> patayeva saha sakhyaato divya esha vidhih smrtah.>> Sloka No.12> treeni varshasataanyevam shashti varshaiastathaiva ca,> divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanusheNa prakortitah.>> Sloka No.13> treeni varshasahasraaNi maanusheNa pramaaNatah,> trimsadanyaani varshaaNi smrtah saptarshivatsarah.>> Sloka No.14> nava yaani sahasraaNi varshaaNaam maanushaaNi ca,> varshaaNi navatiscaiva dhdavasamvatsarah smrtha.>> Sloka No.15> shatttamsattu sahasraaNi varshaaNaam maanushaaNi ca,> shashtiscaiva sahasraaNi samkhyaataani tu samahyayaa,> divyam varshasahasram tu praahuh samahyaavido janaa>>> Regarding the revolutions of Moon and Jupiter the method ofcalculation is the same as Mr Daniel Salas

workedout the only differenceis that he has taken the number of years of revolution of Sun, Jupiterand Moon and divided the actual number of years mentioned in the Textsby 1000 which should not be done but the result is same.> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> website: www.vedascience. com>>>>>>> Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya bcvk71 Cc: danielyogi7@ ...; ancient_indian_ astrology;> Tuesday, May 5, 2009 7:54:29 AM> Span

of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Venkataraman,>> Will you mind giving the five original Sanskrit verses of the MatsyaPurana Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15, which you mentioned.>> Secondly how do you explain the number of revolutions of the Moon andthe Jupiter?>> Regards,>> Sunil K.Bhattacharjya>>> --- On Mon, 5/4/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71 wrote:>>> venkata krishnan bcvk71 Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya , danielyogi7@ ...> Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:51 AM>>>>>>>> Dear Mr.Sunil,> I agree with Daniel Salas.The only correctionbeing 12000 Devavarshas is the span of one Mahaayuga and to get the spanof one

Mahaayuga in terms ofhuman years we should multply 12000 by 360.According to Matsya Purana Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15,> Meaning:> 'Thirty years of men is one month for Devas. A century ofmen is three months and a few days of the Devas. 360 human years makeone year of the Devas. 3030 years makes one year of the Sapta-rshis.9000 human years, make one year of Dhruva.> It is called Dhruva Samvatsara. 36,000 human years make one thousanddivine years.'> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> website: www.vedascience. com>>>>>>> Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya venkata krishnan bcvk71 Sunday, May 3, 2009 1:00:07 PM> Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script>>>>>>> Dear Mr. Venkataraman,>> You are not replying to the point. Please reply to the

points raised.You cannot evade explaining the number of revolutions of the Moon andthe Jupiter to your convenience. In the geocentric model there is noplace for your imaginations as they do not simply fit in the geocentricmodel where the Sun a star becomes a graha, the Moon, a satellite of theearth becomes a graha and Jupiter is also a graha. In the geocentricmodel all the grahas revolve round the earth. Nowhere it is mentionedthat you are to multiply the 12,000 years of Mahayuga years by 360 toget human years. For your information 2700 Divyavarsha is equal to 3030human years. Please do not furnish unsubstantiated information.>>> --- On Sat, 5/2/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71 wrote:>>> venkata krishnan bcvk71 Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya Cc: "Daniel Salas" danielyogi7@

....,ancient_indian_ astrology, > Saturday, May 2, 2009, 11:44 PM>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Mr.Sunil,> One correction, The Suryasidhdhanta mentions as43,20,000 years and not 43,32,000 years which is typographic error.Themoon takes approximately 29 andodd earth days to revolve arround theearth.The earth takes approx 365days

approx to revolvearround theSunwhich is also one human year.The sun takes 250million earth years (i.e.)human years to revolve arround the centre of Aakaashaganga( i.e.)Milkeyway galaxy.And all these have nothing to do with One Mahaayuga the span of which is 12,000 Deva years.If you multiply 12,000 Deva yearswith 360 human years the result is 43,20,000 human years which is earthyears and this is the span of one Mahaayuga.The Sidereal period ofrotation of the Sun is 25 and odd earthdays and the its period ofrotation with respect to the earth is 27 and odd days.(Latitude 16degrees).The span of one Mahayuga is certainly not the period ofrevolution or rotation of the Sun.The the> revolution of earth arround the Sun is called the Solar years.>>>>>> Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya venkata krishnan bcvk71 Cc: Daniel Salas

danielyogi7@ ...;ancient_indian_ astrology; > Sunday, May 3, 2009 2:01:51 AM> Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script>>>>>>> Dear Shri Venkatakrishnanji,>> If what you are saying is correct then how do you explain thataccording to the Suryasiddhanta the number of revolution of the Moon isslightly greater than that of the Sun and that the number of revolutionof the Jupiter is slightly lower than that of the Sun during the sameMahayuga

period.>> Yours sincerely,>> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya>> --- On Sat, 5/2/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71 wrote:>>> venkata krishnan bcvk71 Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya , "Daniel Salas"danielyogi7@ ...> Saturday, May 2, 2009, 12:21 AM>>>>>>> Dear Mr.Daniel Salas,> The Suryasiddhana mentioning of43,32000 years is not the Solar years of Rotation of the Sun but theNumber of human years which is the earth's revolution arround the Sun.The Sun revolves arround the centre of the Akashaganga (i.e.) Milkeywaygalaxy in 250 million earth years approx which has been proved by modernAstronomy.> Yours sincerly,> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> website: www.vedascience.

com>>>>>> Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ...> Cc: bcvk71 Saturday, May 2, 2009 5:22:22 AM> Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script>>>>>>> Then you may send the correct interpretation of the Suryasiddhanta tothe eight others. Suryasiddhanta said that Mahayuga is 4,320,000revolutions and not 4,320,000 years. Vinay Jha is confused as he thinksthat one revolution means one year.>> Thank you,>> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya>> --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ... wrote:>>> Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ...> Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya Friday, May 1, 2009, 11:47

AM>>>>>>>> Sorry, do you want me to retract the Email , I only sent it to 8others.> Daniel F. Salas>> --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>>> Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> "Daniel Salas" danielyogi7@ ...> Cc: bcvk71 Thursday, April 30, 2009, 4:32 PM>>>>>>>> Daniel Salasji,>> You are confusing Vinay jha's mails with my mail. The mail you quotedwas actually from Vinay Jha.>> skb>> --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ... wrote:>>> Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ...> Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> sunil_bhattacharjya

Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:25 PM>>>>>>>>> --- On Thu, 4/30/09, danielyogi7@ ... danielyogi7@ ... wrote:>>>> danielyogi7@ ... danielyogi7@ ...> calender of the Indus Valley Script> bcvk71 Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:22 PM>> Vinay Jha said:>>>>>>>> "Indians (of all ancient siddhaantas, incluing Aryabhatiya,Suryasiddhanta, Narada Purana, etc) used to give number of planetaryrevolutions in terms of revolutions per mahayuga". Suryasiddhantaclearly says that one mayayuga of 12000 divya years is equal to 4320000solar years during which Sun makes 4320000 revolutions, Moon 57753336,Jupiter 364220, and so on. 4320000 revolutions of Sun is not possible in12000 years.>> If you take these numbers as is it makes no

sensebecause 4320000 revolutions of the Sun is not possible in 12000 years.From Chitra 180 degrees with respect to Dhruva starts the calender atAsvin, then one lunar house equals 30 degrees. Due to the precession ofthe equinox the time period for the equinoctial shift through 1 degreeof arc was 72 years. The time period for the shift to go through a wholeastrological house was 2160 years. 72 x 30= 2160 then 2160 x 2 =4320 a yuga. The callendar mutiplied this number by 100 or in moderntimes you can express the number as 4320.000 three decmil placeprecission .The Yajurveda and Samhita and other books list 27 Naksatras,the moon orbits the earth in 27 days (sidereal period see below) eachnight it spends in a Naksatra. The Siddhaanta, Aryabhatiya,Suryasiddhanta, Narada Purana have the lunar orbits of a yuga as57753336 agian mutiplied x 100 or 57753.336> three decmil place precission. 57753.336

divided by 4320.000 =13.36882 360 / 27 = 13.333... each naksatras is assigned 13.333... ofthe ecliptic.> For Jupiter the ancient text have 364220 years again 3 decimal places4320.000 / 364.220 = 11.860 http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Moon Jupitercompletes an orbit every 11.86 years around the Sun The Moonmakes a complete orbit around the Earth with respect to the fixed starsabout once every 27.3 days (its sidereal period). However, since theEarth is moving in its orbit about the Sun at the same time, it takesslightly longer for the Moon to show its same phase to Earth, which isabout 29.5 days (its synodic period).[6Earth' s rotation by about 0.002seconds per day per century.[52] As a result of the conservation ofangular momentum, the slowing of Earth's rotation is accompanied by anincrease of the mean Earth-Moon distance of

about 3.8 m per century, or3.8 cm per year.[53]>> 432 century's x 3.8 =1641.6 meters this may account for the siderealmiss of 27.3 and 27 degrees.> Daniel F. Salas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

May 23, 2009

Dear Vinayji,

In your earlier mail you quoted Burgess as follows:

Quote

Suryasiddhanta (ch 1 verse 34) : "Of the asterisms, 1,582,237,828 the number of risings of the asterisms, diminished by the number of revolutions of each planet respectively, gives the risings of the planet in an Age" (E Burgess). Preceding verses (29-33) give the number of risings of the planets in an Age (Mahayuga). Number of risings of the Sun in a Mahayuga = 4,320,000 (verse29).

Unquote

You also quoted the number of revolutions of the Sun as 4320000 revolutions and those of the Moon and Jupiter as 57753336 and364220 respectively. Thereafter you showed the calculation for the Sun as follows: (1582237828 - 4320000) / 4320000 = 365,2587565 days. As per what you quoted and how you calculated it will mean that there are 365+ Solar days in an Age or Mahayuga.

Further as per what you quoted, in case of the Moon, you will have to subtract 57,753,336 from 1,582,237,828 to get 1,524,484,492 and if you divide the latter figure by the former figure you will get a figure of 26+ risings of the Moon in an Age, which according to you is Mahayuga. I did not agree to the translation / interpretation of the verse in terms of Age / Mahayuga.and I told you that though you do not yourself agree with the translations of Burgess you had quoted his translation, which was not a proper thing to do.

The translated word "Age" actually means one cycle, ie. the days taken by a graha to return to the same Nakshatra. The figure 26 + is the Nakshatriya month or Human (or Manushya) Month and 12 such Human months make one Human year.

The verse (29) properly interpreted means that there are 4320000 risnings (or Sun-rises or days) in a Mahayuga. This means that the Span of the Mahayuga is 12000 years as 12000 X 360 = 4320000 days). I have told you earlier that the Saptarshi cycle of 2700 Solar years is equal to 3030 Human years.

I have no interest in humiliating you but if our views do not agree we have to point out dispassionately and that is all. In factone can pay proper respect tp Suryasiddhanta only by interpreting it properly.

Sincerely,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjta--- On Fri, 5/22/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 3:00 AM

Respected Sunil Ji,I am giving facts from Suryasiddhanta (because you cannot open the bookwhich is available on internet at many sites) : 57753336 revolutions ofMoon per mahaayuga (it is mentioned in the original text) ; eachmayayuga contains 1577917828 saavana days (again, it is mentioned in theoriginal text), hence one lunar month = 1577917828 / 57753336 =27.321674... . days, which is very near the value of physical astronomy.Similarly, Jupiter's 364220 revolutions per mahayuga is mentioned in theoriginal text, which gives one period of Jupiter = 1577917828 / 364220= 4332.32065.. .. days, which is very near the value of physicalastronomy.You wrongly want to explain it as a result of Eart's rotation, butforget that I told you Suryasiddhanta clearly gives the number of 'bhagan number of Nakshatras' (ie, number of times Nakshatras rise,which is same as number of Earth's

rotation wrt Nakshatras) per Mahayugain verse 34 of first chapter equal to 1582237828, in which 4320000should be substracted to get Surya saavana days per Mahaayuga accordingto verse 34 (Surya saavana days are number of days counted from Sunriseto next Sunrise, and are equal to Earth's rotations wrt Sun). Thus , weget 1577917828 saavana days per Mahaayuga. So many revolutions of Moon,Jupiter, Sun (4320000), etc are not possible during 12000 years.Suryasiddhanta mentions these numbers in chapter-1, verses 29-33. Othersiddhantas also mention same or nearly same numbers.You accused me of lying about Suryasiddhanta. Have you no respect fortruth ? Bury your theory of one mahaayuga being equal to 12000 humanyears. It is against Indian scriptures. If scriptures are false, abuseVyaasa Ji or Bhadwan Surya, and not me. I did not write those texts.I had asked you to " Forget whether I am a monk or a

rascal." But youagain revert to personal attacks : ""a self-declared monk like you ...let us know if you are Hindu monk or Biddhist monk or Jain monk or anyother". I hoped you will restrict yourself to the topic. But you get asadistic pleasure in insulting a monk. In AIA, I hoped if I let you knowthat I am a monk, you will stop telling the merits of wine to me. But Ifound you have a special "liking" for monks. As I said earlier, "Youdiscuss with civility with others even when they differ, but when itcomes to me you forget all norms of civility and truthfulness, and thecause is clear from your mails : you cannot tolerate a monk." Henceforth, I will not ask you to "forget whether I am a monk or arascal."I had sent you names of publications of Suryasiddhanta and links whereyou can get Suryasiddhanta and other siddhantas with translations. Mywell intentioned messag was rebuffed with insults. Now, I

am under nocompulsion to supply you anything, because you are deliberately wastingmy time. If you do not possess Suryasiddhanta, why are you discussing it? If you possess it, why you cannot open it to see Moon's revolutuons.Do you need a helper to open the book and find the verse ? And do youexpect a helper will help if needlessly and constantly insulted ?Modern science has planetary formulae only for a few millenia. ComputingLord Rama's time is beyond its capabilities. And you have no faith ontraditional chronology. Hence, why waste time on millions or billions ofyears?I do not need or expect any civility from you. Those who need respect donot renounce the world. I ignore personal insults , but not insults toshaatras. I had asked you to " Forget whether I am a monk or a rascal."You missed the point. Hence I am posting such a reply, which is againstmy norms. Keep on posting sarcasting

comments on my monkhood, and keepon accusing me of falsehood. It is harming you, not me.Sincerely,-Vinay Jha============ ========= ========= ========= = ===, Sunil Bhattacharjya<sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:>> Mr. Vinay Jha,>> In an earlier mail you have triumphantly quoted the number ofrevolutions of the Sun, the Moon and the Juipter from the Suryasiddhantaand then you gave your manipulated calculations for arriving at thefigure of 365+ using the number of revolutiuons of the Sun. At that timeyou tactfully evaded the calculations using the revolutions of the Moonand the Jupiter. I reminded you about it and yet you are ignoring ittime and again. This itself proves that you are wrong. Please give

thecalculations for the revolutions of the Moon and the Jupiter without anydelay and prove your point, Mr. Vinay Jha.>> Moreover you want others to believe every word you say. You claim tobe a monk and do you think all the monks in the world are above board? Ifeel your attitude should befit a monk and that is more important thanyour self-declaration that you are a monk. What has monkhood to do withthe discussions on Hindu astronomy and astrology. Moreover many of usincluding me do not know you. I am sure you do not want the learnedmembers of the group to appear naive to accept every word you say,unless you substantiate what you say, particularly when thesubstantiation is asked for.>> You said I advised you anbout the benefits of the two tolas of wine. Can you please quote the mails as to when and where and in what contextI wrote about the Tantric practice of taking two tolas of

wine? Youcondemned the Tantra as anti-Vedic and told that Tantra advocatesdrinking and other undesirable practices. I only told you that Kularnavatantra says that it is based on Veda and I also told you as to why insome tantric practices there is the allowance of two tolas of wine andthat was by no means a suggestion to you to take wine. Please do nottwist facts in a forum of intelligent people. If you want to practiceTantra then please go to a tantric guru and do as he tells you. But forGod's sake do not mislead the group members by your false statements. Iknow you are peeved at my objections to some of your statements andinstead of giving satisfactory answers you are angry. A true monkalways tells the fact and is cool and never angry> and vindictive like you are. Please try to be a good monk and do notutter or write about wine, whether it is two tolas or two gallons. It isunbecoming of a

monk.>> Look at Ventakrishnanji. I appreciate his way of acting. He gave methe verses from the Matsya Purana (though without his interpretation ofthe text) and he also gave his date of Lord Rama as 90,000 years ago(though without showing how he arrivede at that figure). Now he nolonger says that the number 4,320,000 is related to the time (in years)of the Sun's revolution around the Galaxy. We do not agree with eachother and that is all.>>> I never said that Hindu cosmology is wrong. One Mahayuga is 12,000years and 1,000 such Mahayuga is one day of Brahma. Thus one day ofBrahma is equal to 12 million years. Similarly one night of Brahma is12 million years. So one day and night together of Brahma is 24 millionyears. Brahma's one year is 24 million X 360 = 8.64 billion years.Show me where it is said that Brahma's life is only one day and onenight. At the end of his l;ife

one Brahma goes away another Brahmacomes. Hindu cosmology somewhat tallies with the findings of the modernscientists.>> Sincerely,>> -SKB>> --- On Wed, 5/20/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote:>>> vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ...> Re: Span of Mahayuga according toSuryasiddhanta> > Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 11:03 AM>>>>>>>>> To Mr B.C. Venkatakrishnan, Daniel F. Salas, & SKB :>> Mr Sunil Ji was making wrong statements that one divya varsha wasequal> to one solar year. I supplied him verses from Suryasiddhanta and other> siddhantas, Mahabharata, but he is under an oath never to

accepttruth.> When Venkatakrishnan Ji supplied him verses from Matsya Purana, SKB> instantly shifted to Lord Rama. He is accusing me of misinterpretingone> divya year as being equal to 360 human years, and says it is my> invention. When I supply verses from ancient texts, he either abusesme> or diverts the topic to Lord Rama. A deliberate distortion of ancient> texts is a crime. If SKB does not accept the figures given in> scriptures, he should abuse those scriptures, not me.>> Fortunately, Mr B.C. Venkatakrishnan, Daniel F. Salas are normal> grihastas and not monks, hence they escaped abuses from SKB. Inthreads> dedicated to discussions about ancient siddhanta, he twice advised me> about the benefits of two tolas of wine every day, knowing full well> that such an advice should not be given to a monk who is maintaining> lifelong celibacy

(any reference to the term "brahmachaari" makes him> mad with anger). Why he has so much ire against scriptures and monks??> Where lies the fault ? In him, or in the scriptures ? All ancienttexts> invariably accept one divya year to be equal to 360 human years, while> SKB wants to pack whole human history within 12000 human years.Present> Mahaayuga began 3.9 million years ago. Scientists also accept that> modern genus of mankind started evolving at about the same time. MrB.C.> Venkatakrishnan says Sun revolves round the galactic centre once every> 250 year. I believe this figue is about 300 million years, or one> Manavantara. Evidence of Modern Value of Precession in Bhaskaracharya's> Work based on Suryasiddhanta can be seen at Click_Here> <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Ayanamsha+

vs+Precession> .If> ancient knowledge was scientific and spread over great extent of time> and place, persons like SKB get infuriated.>> -Vinay Jha> ============ ========= == ====> , Sunil Bhattacharjya> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> >> > Dear Mr. Venkataraman,> >> > Thank you for giving your opinion on the date of Lord Rama. So youmay> be advocating that the date of the Vedas will also be something like> Million years ago.> >> > From the Pauranic dynasty of the Suryavamsha I find it difficult to> agrre with you. Further to my knowledge Lord Rama was from the Ikshaku> Vamsha and Lord Buddha was also from the same Vamsha. I understandthat> they could have been separated at most by a few thousand years. So let> us agree to disagree on the date

of Lord Rama.> >> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> >> >> >> > --- On Sat, 5/16/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71@ wrote:> >> >> > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta> > "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya > Cc: danielyogi7@ ..., ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:41 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Mr.Sunil,> > The the LORD RAAMA Avataara took place around> 9,00,000 years ago according to my research.According toSrimadbhagavata> LORD RAAMAAVATAARA took place in this Dretaayuga ( i.e. )> SVETAVARAAHAKALPA, VAIVASVATAMANVANTAA RA 28th Mahaayuga Dretaayuga.> >

B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> > website: www.vedascience. com> >> >> >> >> >> > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > Cc: danielyogi7@ ...; ancient_indian_ astrology;> > > Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:34:57 PM> > Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Mr. Venkataraman,> >> > Thank you for the verses and you have given your interpretation of> these earlier. May I ask you a related question, which is more like a> corollary to the earlier question. That is what do you think, in the> light of your interpretation of these verses, is the date of LordRama?> If you have difficulty in giving the exact

figure you may give a> ball-park figure.> >> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> >> >> >> > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71@ wrote:> >> >> > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta> > "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya > Cc: danielyogi7@ ..., ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 5:31 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Mr.Sunil,> > One correction, the 3,60,000 human years make> one thousand divine years and not 36,000 human years as typed by me.It> was a typographic error.> > The original Sanskrit slokas Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15 are as>

follows:> > Sloka No.11> > trimsadyaani tu varshaaNi divyo maasastu sa smrtah,> > maanushaaNaam satam yacca divyaa maasaastrayastu vai,> > patayeva saha sakhyaato divya esha vidhih smrtah.> >> > Sloka No.12> > treeni varshasataanyevam shashti varshaiastathaiva ca,> > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanusheNa prakortitah.> >> > Sloka No.13> > treeni varshasahasraaNi maanusheNa pramaaNatah,> > trimsadanyaani varshaaNi smrtah saptarshivatsarah.> >> > Sloka No.14> > nava yaani sahasraaNi varshaaNaam maanushaaNi ca,> > varshaaNi navatiscaiva dhdavasamvatsarah smrtha.> >> > Sloka No.15> > shatttamsattu sahasraaNi varshaaNaam maanushaaNi ca,> > shashtiscaiva sahasraaNi samkhyaataani tu samahyayaa,> > divyam varshasahasram tu praahuh samahyaavido janaa>

>> >> > Regarding the revolutions of Moon and Jupiter the method of> calculation is the same as Mr Daniel Salas workedout the onlydifference> is that he has taken the number of years of revolution of Sun, Jupiter> and Moon and divided the actual number of years mentioned in the Texts> by 1000 which should not be done but the result is same.> > B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> > website: www.vedascience. com> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > bcvk71@> > Cc: danielyogi7@ ...; ancient_indian_ astrology;> > > Tuesday, May 5, 2009 7:54:29 AM> > Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta> >> >> >> >> >> >>

> Dear Mr. Venkataraman,> >> > Will you mind giving the five original Sanskrit verses of the Matsya> Purana Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15, which you mentioned.> >> > Secondly how do you explain the number of revolutions of the Moonand> the Jupiter?> >> > Regards,> >> > Sunil K.Bhattacharjya> >> >> > --- On Mon, 5/4/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71@ wrote:> >> >> > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> > "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya , danielyogi7@ ...> > Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:51 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Mr.Sunil,> > I agree with Daniel Salas.The only correction> being 12000 Devavarshas is the

span of one Mahaayuga and to get thespan> of one Mahaayuga in terms ofhuman years we should multply 12000 by360.> According to Matsya Purana Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15,> > Meaning:> > 'Thirty years of men is one month for Devas. A century of> men is three months and a few days of the Devas. 360 human years make> one year of the Devas. 3030 years makes one year of the Sapta-rshis.> 9000 human years, make one year of Dhruva.> > It is called Dhruva Samvatsara. 36,000 human years make one thousand> divine years.'> > B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> > website: www.vedascience. com> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > Sunday, May 3, 2009 1:00:07 PM> > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley

Script> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Mr. Venkataraman,> >> > You are not replying to the point. Please reply to the pointsraised.> You cannot evade explaining the number of revolutions of the Moon and> the Jupiter to your convenience. In the geocentric model there is no> place for your imaginations as they do not simply fit in thegeocentric> model where the Sun a star becomes a graha, the Moon, a satellite ofthe> earth becomes a graha and Jupiter is also a graha. In the geocentric> model all the grahas revolve round the earth. Nowhere it is mentioned> that you are to multiply the 12,000 years of Mahayuga years by 360 to> get human years. For your information 2700 Divyavarsha is equal to3030> human years. Please do not furnish unsubstantiated information.> >> >>

> --- On Sat, 5/2/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71@ wrote:> >> >> > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> > "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya > Cc: "Daniel Salas" danielyogi7@ ...,> ancient_indian_ astrology, > > Saturday, May 2, 2009, 11:44 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Mr.Sunil,> > One correction, The Suryasidhdhanta mentions as> 43,20,000 years and not 43,32,000 years which is typographic

error.The> moon takes approximately 29 andodd earth days to revolve arround the> earth.The earth takes approx 365days approx to revolvearround theSun> which is also one human year.The sun takes 250million earth years(i.e.)> human years to revolve arround the centre of Aakaashaganga( i.e.)> Milkeyway galaxy.And all these have nothing to do with One Mahaayuga> the span of which is 12,000 Deva years.If you multiply 12,000 Devayears> with 360 human years the result is 43,20,000 human years which isearth> years and this is the span of one Mahaayuga.The Sidereal period of> rotation of the Sun is 25 and odd earthdays and the its period of> rotation with respect to the earth is 27 and odd days.(Latitude 16> degrees).The span of one Mahayuga is certainly not the period of> revolution or rotation of the Sun.The the> > revolution of earth arround the Sun is

called the Solar years.> >> >> >> >> >> > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > Cc: Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ...;> ancient_indian_ astrology; > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 2:01:51 AM> > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Shri Venkatakrishnanji,> >> > If what you are saying is correct then how do you explain that> according to the Suryasiddhanta the number of revolution of the Moonis> slightly greater than that of the Sun and that the number ofrevolution> of the Jupiter is slightly lower than that of the Sun during the same> Mahayuga period.> >> > Yours

sincerely,> >> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> >> > --- On Sat, 5/2/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71@ wrote:> >> >> > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> > "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya , "Daniel Salas"> danielyogi7@ ...> > Saturday, May 2, 2009, 12:21 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Dear Mr.Daniel Salas,> > The Suryasiddhana mentioning of> 43,32000 years is not the Solar years of Rotation of the Sun but the> Number of human years which is the earth's revolution arround the Sun.> The Sun revolves arround the centre of the Akashaganga (i.e.)Milkeyway> galaxy in 250 million earth years approx which has been proved bymodern> Astronomy.> > Yours sincerly,>

> B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> > website: www.vedascience. com> >> >> >> >> >> > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ...> > Cc: bcvk71@> > Saturday, May 2, 2009 5:22:22 AM> > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Then you may send the correct interpretation of the Suryasiddhantato> the eight others. Suryasiddhanta said that Mahayuga is 4,320,000> revolutions and not 4,320,000 years. Vinay Jha is confused as hethinks> that one revolution means one year.> >> > Thank you,> >> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> >> > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ... wrote:> >> >> >

Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ...> > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> > "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya > Friday, May 1, 2009, 11:47 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Sorry, do you want me to retract the Email , I only sent it to 8> others.> > Daniel F. Salas> >> > --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:> >> >> > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> > "Daniel Salas" danielyogi7@ ...> > Cc: bcvk71@> > Thursday, April 30, 2009, 4:32 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Daniel Salasji,> >> > You are

confusing Vinay jha's mails with my mail. The mail youquoted> was actually from Vinay Jha.> >> > skb> >> > --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ... wrote:> >> >> > Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ...> > Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> > sunil_bhattacharjya > Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:25 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > --- On Thu, 4/30/09, danielyogi7@ ... danielyogi7@ ... wrote:> >> >> >> > danielyogi7@ ... danielyogi7@ ...> > calender of the Indus Valley Script> > bcvk71@> > Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:22 PM> >> > Vinay Jha said:> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> > "Indians (of all ancient siddhaantas, incluing Aryabhatiya,> Suryasiddhanta, Narada Purana, etc) used to give number of planetary> revolutions in terms of revolutions per mahayuga". Suryasiddhanta> clearly says that one mayayuga of 12000 divya years is equal to4320000> solar years during which Sun makes 4320000 revolutions, Moon 57753336,> Jupiter 364220, and so on. 4320000 revolutions of Sun is not possiblein> 12000 years.> >> > If you take these numbers as is it makes no sense> because 4320000 revolutions of the Sun is not possible in 12000 years.> From Chitra 180 degrees with respect to Dhruva starts the calender at> Asvin, then one lunar house equals 30 degrees. Due to the precessionof> the equinox the time period for the equinoctial shift through 1 degree> of arc was 72 years. The time period for

the shift to go through awhole> astrological house was 2160 years. 72 x 30= 2160 then 2160 x 2 => 4320 a yuga. The callendar mutiplied this number by 100 or in modern> times you can express the number as 4320.000 three decmil place> precission .The Yajurveda and Samhita and other books list 27Naksatras,> the moon orbits the earth in 27 days (sidereal period see below) each> night it spends in a Naksatra. The Siddhaanta, Aryabhatiya,> Suryasiddhanta, Narada Purana have the lunar orbits of a yuga as> 57753336 agian mutiplied x 100 or 57753.336> > three decmil place precission. 57753.336 divided by 4320.000 => 13.36882 360 / 27 = 13.333... each naksatras is assigned 13.333... of> the ecliptic.> > For Jupiter the ancient text have 364220 years again 3 decimalplaces> 4320.000 / 364.220 = 11.860 http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ MoonJupiter> completes an orbit every 11.86 years around the Sun The Moon> makes a complete orbit around the Earth with respect to the fixedstars> about once every 27.3 days (its sidereal period). However, since the> Earth is moving in its orbit about the Sun at the same time, it takes> slightly longer for the Moon to show its same phase to Earth, which is> about 29.5 days (its synodic period).[6Earth' s rotation by about0.002> seconds per day per century.[52] As a result of the conservation of> angular momentum, the slowing of Earth's rotation is accompanied by an> increase of the mean Earth-Moon distance of about 3.8 m per century,or> 3.8 cm per year.[53]> >> > 432 century's x 3.8 =1641.6 meters this may account for the sidereal> miss of 27.3 and 27 degrees.> > Daniel F.

Salas> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >

May 25, 2009

Vinayji,

I am replying to your mail in the Jyotishgroup but if I am not wrong it appears to me that the Moderator of the Jyotishgroup has decided not to allow my replies to you to appear in the group-mail. BTW have you become a moderator of the Jyotishgroup?

You have wrongly quoted as follows:

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Mahabharata, Puranas and siddhantas are right in saying that thereare12,000 years in a Mahayuga. But there are many verses wich say these12000 yeares are divya years, and there is not a single verse which saysthere are 12000 "human" years in a Mahayuga.

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I never said that the Span of a Mahayuga is 12,000 Human years. I said that the Bhagavata Purana, the highest of the Puranas, indicate that it is 12,000 Solar years. Lunar Nakshatriya year is Human year and the Saptarshi cycle of 2700 Solar years is equal to 3030 Nakshatriya Lunar years or Human years. If you want to express the Span of the Mahayuga in Lunar Nakshatriya years then the figure will be 12000 X 3030 /2700 = 13466.7 or say it will be around 13,500 Lunar Nakshatriya years.

Nowhere it is said that one Mahayuga is 4320,000 years. You cannot find a single reference anywhere. Also nowhere it is said that you have to multiply the 12,000 years by 360. All these are imaginations by some past misguided scholars and you are blindly following thier footsteps.

I know that the year of the gods is 360 times longer than the year of man and likewise the year of Lord Brahma is longer than that of the other gods., the year of Lord Vishnu is longer than that of Lord Brahma and the year of Lord Shiva is longer that that of Lord Vishnu. But that does not affect the figure of 12,000 Solar years as the span of the Mahayuga. According to Vishnu Purana the Span of the Kali yuga is 4800 years.

I saw a mail of Mr. Hattangadi in the Jyotishgroup that the discussions on Suryasiddhanta is being prolonged beyond its utility. Let us not continue discussions on this topic endlessly and I assure you that I have no intention to humiliate you. It is my attempt only to state what the highest of the Puranas directly said about the Span of the Mahayuga and we can also indurectly satisfy ourselves from the lineology of the Suryavamsha, as given in the Puranas. The last king of Surya dynasty died in the Mahabharata war.

Sincerely,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Sun, 5/24/09, vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16 Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta Date: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 12:19 AM

Sunil Ji,I saw your mail of 22 May today, I wonder why I missed it earlier,although I never neglect any message from you. I thank you for ventingyour points clearly. Let me clarify.<<< "though you do not yourself agree with the translations of Burgessyou had quoted his translation, which was not a proper thing to do." >>>It is an English forum, and typing in English is less time consuming.Moreover, these fora do not render Devanagari fonts properly. I do notfollow Burgess , but he has not translated falsely everywhere. I checkwith the original as well with Hindi translation by Dr Ramchandra Pandey(former HOD of BHU, Varanasi), and when I find Burgess to be right, Icite him, and when I find him wrong I refute him. Unfortunately, thereis no alternative English translation of Suryasiddhanta, otherwise Iwould have neglected Burgess. Hence, do not charge me of

doublestandard. There is only one English translation in the market, and wemust use it, but CAREFULLY.<<< "You also quoted the number of revolutions of the Sun as 4320000revolutions and those of the Moon and Jupiter as 57753336 and 364220respectively. Thereafter you showed the calculation for the Sun asfollows: (1582237828 - 4320000) / 4320000 = 365,2587565 days. As perwhat you quoted and how you calculated it will mean that there are 365+Solar days in an Age or Mahayuga." >>>Verse 29 says Sun has 4320000 bhaganas in an Yuga. One bhagana is onecycle of 360 degrees. You take it as one rotation of Earth, which iswrong, because verse 34 says there 1582237828 bhaganas of nakshatras ina Yuga. It cannot be meant to imply that the nakshatra orbit makes1582237828 cycles round the Earth in an yuga, because same verse says itis "risings" of nakshatras. Risings (and settings) of

nakshatras andother entities are called "saavana" days (etymologically, from savana ordaily yajna, first of which was held in the morning and was related tosunrise). Risings (and settings) of nakshatras and other entities arerelated to Earth's rotation.Therefore, there are 1582237828 rotations of Earth in a Yuga withrespect to nakshatras, which means there are and there are 1582237828geocentric risings of the Sun in a Yuga. In a geocentric (orMerucentric) model, Sun revolves round the Earth / Meru. Hence, verse 29says Sun makes 4320000 cycles round the Earth/Meru. It cannot betranslated as 4320000 risings of the Earth because verse 34 says Earthmakes 1582237828 rotations in a Yuga (which cannot mean that nakshatrasmake 1582237828 revolutions round Earth in a Yuga ; if this meaning istaken and if 12000 years are accepted in a Yuga, then nakshatras makeover 131853 cycles round the Earth per year

or about 361 cycles roundthe Earth per day which is absurd). Why you take a portion of some verseout of context ?<<< "Further as per what you quoted, in case of the Moon, you will haveto subtract 57,753,336 from 1,582,237,828 to get 1,524,484,492 and ifyou divide the latter figure by the former figure you will get a figureof 26+ risings of the Moon in an Age, which according to you isMahayuga." >>>I wonder why you are making such a wrong deduction ! There are1,582,237,828 risings of nakshatras, ie rotations of Earth, perYuga(verse 29). Again, there are 57,753,336 bhaganas of Moon per Yuga(verse 30). hence, there are (1,582,237,828 - 57,753,336 =)1,524,484,492 lunar "saavana" days per yuga. Lunar saavana day meansduration between one Moonrise and the next Moonrise. If you divide1,524,484,492 lunar "saavana" days by 57,753,336 bhaganas of Moon youget 26.396475 "lunar

saavana days or risings of Moon" per "bhaganaof Moon". But you took "risings per bhagana" to mean "risings perYuga", which is wrong. Syntax is very important in mathematical logic,and being a scientist you know we must be careful about units.<<< "The translated word "Age" actually means one cycle, ie. the daystaken by a graha to return to the same Nakshatra." >>>The translated word "Age" is a translation of "Yuga". For "cycle",Suryasiddhanta uses the term "bhagana" and never "yuga". No known entitycompletes a "cycle" in 12000 or even 432000 years. Yuga should not betranslated as "cycle".<<< "The figure 26 + is the Nakshatriya month or Human (or Manushya)Month and 12 such Human months make one Human year." >>>" >>>You are confusing terms. Nakshatriya month is one bhagana of moon wrt(with respect to) Nakshatras (ie, nakshatras assumed to be

fixed).26.396475 "lunar saavana days or risings of Moon" per "bhagana ofMoon" means there are 26.396475 "lunar saavana days or risings ofMoon" in a Nakshatriya month. These 26.396475 "lunar saavana days orrisings of Moon" are equal to one Naakshatra month. But one Naakshatramonth is not one human month of any type, and therefore 12 oneNaakshatra months do not make any type of year. One Chaandra month isequal to one synodical month of ~29.530588 days, and 12 such monthsmake one lunar year ; pure lunar year does not include adhimaasa, andadhimaasa is ised in a luni-solar calendar to synchronize lunar yearwith solar year. One chaandra-din is one Tithi and not not the durationbetween one lunar rising to next lunar rising, and one chaandra-maasa is30 such tithis ; it is the universal practice of India from timeimmemorial. One should play with terms to distort ancient texts, eitherdeliberately or out of

ignorance (no personal offence intended, please).I repeat that Nakshatriya month is one bhagana of moon wrt (with respectto) Nakshatras (ie, nakshatras assumed to be fixed). Computation ofNakshatriya month is as follows.1,582,237,828 risings of nakshatras minus 4320000 bhaganas of Sun gives1577917828 solar "saavana" days in a Mahaayuga (solar "saavana" day ishuman day which is clearly said to be so in verses already sent by me).1577917828 solar "saavana" days are equal to 4320000 bhaganas (cycles)of the Sun, hence one cycle of Sun is equal to (1577917828 / 4320000=) 365.258756481481481 solar "saavana" days. This is how allcommentators have interpreted to be the measure of Suryasiddhanticsidereal year. It is slightly greater than the sidereal year of modernphysical astronomy (365.25636 days).Again, 1577917828 "saavana" days are equal to 57753336 Naakshatrabhaganas (cycles) of the Moon,

hence one Naakshatra cycle of Moon isequal to (1577917828 / 57753336 =) 27.32167416 "saavana" days, which isvery near the value of sidereal month of modern physical astronomy.These computations need uniformity of units, which is saavana days inSuryasiddhanta (Sunrise to Sunrise). Summer days are longer and winterdays are shorter. Hence, all saavana days are not equal. But forcomputing average values of lunar or solar cycles in long term, we maytake average saavana day which is equal to 24 hours.If you replace saavana days with lunar risings per bhagana, you willarrive at different figures. There are 26.396475 lunar risings in27.32167416 "saavana" days, both in one Naakshatra cycle. but none ofthese is a Chaandra-maas, the latter is equal to ~29.530588 saavanadays.Thus, 1582237828 solar risings or 1577917828 saavana days in a Yuga arenot possible in 12000 human years. I sent you verses

from Mahabharata,Puranas and siddhantas, but you are sticking to wrong duration of divyayear.Mahabharata, Puranas and siddhantas are right in saying that thereare12,000 years in a Mahayuga. But there are many verses wich say these12000 yeares are divya years, and there is not a single verse which saysthere are 12000 "human" years in a Mahayuga.Please do not make a wrong premise a prestige issue. To err is human, torectify is saintly. I do not intend to humiliate you. I have read manyof your contributions , even in non-astrological fora where I am asilent spectator (eg, archaeology/ indology) . I like your writings, butwhen it somes to siddhantic astronomy, you make a mess of things andsometimes start personal attacks. I do not know whether you do itdeliberately or due to wrong versions of texts at your disposal. Whenyou start attacking me personally (one's brahmacharya, monkhood,

etc,should not give you pain), I have to remind you of things which I do notwant to(I hope you get the hint). Earlier, whenever I tried to be soft,you started making personal attacks. This time, you have refrained frompersonal attacks, and therefore I beg an apology for whatever remarks Ihave ever posted against you. Discussions should be intellectual, notpersonalized.Sincerely,-Vinay Jha============ ========= ====== ==========, sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>>> Dear Vinayji,>> In your earlier mail you quoted Burgess as follows:>> Quote>> Suryasiddhanta (ch 1 verse 34) : "Of the asterisms, 1,582,237,828 thenumber of risings of the asterisms, diminished by the number ofrevolutions of

each planet respectively, gives the risings of the planetin an Age" (E Burgess). Preceding verses (29-33) give the number ofrisings of the planets in an Age (Mahayuga). Number of risings of theSun in a Mahayuga = 4,320,000 (verse29).>> Unquote>> You also quoted the number of revolutions of the Sun as 4320000revolutions and those of the Moon and Jupiter as 57753336 and364220respectively. Thereafter you showed the calculation for the Sun asfollows: (1582237828 - 4320000) / 4320000 = 365,2587565 days. As perwhat you quoted and how you calculated it will mean that there are 365+Solar days in an Age or Mahayuga.>> Further as per what you quoted, in case of the Moon, you will have tosubtract 57,753,336 from 1,582,237,828 to get 1,524,484,492 and if youdivide the latter figure by the former figure you will get a figure of26+ risings of the Moon in an Age, which according to

you is Mahayuga. Idid not agree to the translation / interpretation of the verse in termsof Age / Mahayuga.and I told you that though you do not yourself agreewith the translations of Burgess you had quoted his translation, whichwas not a proper thing to do.>> The translated word "Age" actually means one cycle, ie. the days takenby a graha to return to the same Nakshatra. The figure 26 + is theNakshatriya month or Human (or Manushya) Month and 12 such Human monthsmake one Human year.>> The verse (29) properly interpreted means that there are 4320000risnings (or Sun-rises or days) in a Mahayuga. This means that the Spanof the Mahayuga is 12000 years as 12000 X 360 = 4320000 days). I havetold you earlier that the Saptarshi cycle of 2700 Solar years is equalto 3030 Human years.>> I have no interest in humiliating you but if our views do not agree wehave to point out

dispassionately and that is all. In factone can payproper respect tp Suryasiddhanta only by interpreting it properly.>> Sincerely,>> Sunil K. Bhattacharjta>> --- On Fri, 5/22/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote:>>> vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ...> Re: Span of Mahayuga according toSuryasiddhanta> > Friday, May 22, 2009, 3:00 AM>>>>>>>>>>> Respected Sunil Ji,>> I am giving facts from Suryasiddhanta (because you cannot open thebook> which is available on internet at many sites) : 57753336 revolutionsof> Moon per mahaayuga (it is mentioned in the original text) ;

each> mayayuga contains 1577917828 saavana days (again, it is mentioned inthe> original text), hence one lunar month = 1577917828 / 57753336 => 27.321674... . days, which is very near the value of physicalastronomy.>> Similarly, Jupiter's 364220 revolutions per mahayuga is mentioned inthe> original text, which gives one period of Jupiter = 1577917828 / 364220> = 4332.32065.. .. days, which is very near the value of physical> astronomy.>> You wrongly want to explain it as a result of Eart's rotation, but> forget that I told you Suryasiddhanta clearly gives the number of> 'bhagan number of Nakshatras' (ie, number of times Nakshatras rise,> which is same as number of Earth's rotation wrt Nakshatras) perMahayuga> in verse 34 of first chapter equal to 1582237828, in which 4320000> should be substracted to get Surya saavana days per

Mahaayugaaccording> to verse 34 (Surya saavana days are number of days counted fromSunrise> to next Sunrise, and are equal to Earth's rotations wrt Sun). Thus ,we> get 1577917828 saavana days per Mahaayuga. So many revolutions ofMoon,> Jupiter, Sun (4320000), etc are not possible during 12000 years.> Suryasiddhanta mentions these numbers in chapter-1, verses 29-33.Other> siddhantas also mention same or nearly same numbers.>> You accused me of lying about Suryasiddhanta. Have you no respect for> truth ? Bury your theory of one mahaayuga being equal to 12000 human> years. It is against Indian scriptures. If scriptures are false, abuse> Vyaasa Ji or Bhadwan Surya, and not me. I did not write those texts.>> I had asked you to " Forget whether I am a monk or a rascal." But you> again revert to personal attacks : ""a self-declared monk like

you ...> let us know if you are Hindu monk or Biddhist monk or Jain monk or any> other". I hoped you will restrict yourself to the topic. But you get a> sadistic pleasure in insulting a monk. In AIA, I hoped if I let youknow> that I am a monk, you will stop telling the merits of wine to me. ButI> found you have a special "liking" for monks. As I said earlier, "You> discuss with civility with others even when they differ, but when it> comes to me you forget all norms of civility and truthfulness, and the> cause is clear from your mails : you cannot tolerate a monk."> Henceforth, I will not ask you to "forget whether I am a monk or a> rascal.">> I had sent you names of publications of Suryasiddhanta and links where> you can get Suryasiddhanta and other siddhantas with translations. My> well intentioned messag was rebuffed with insults. Now, I am under

no> compulsion to supply you anything, because you are deliberatelywasting> my time. If you do not possess Suryasiddhanta, why are you discussingit> ? If you possess it, why you cannot open it to see Moon's revolutuons.> Do you need a helper to open the book and find the verse ? And do you> expect a helper will help if needlessly and constantly insulted ?>> Modern science has planetary formulae only for a few millenia.Computing> Lord Rama's time is beyond its capabilities. And you have no faith on> traditional chronology. Hence, why waste time on millions or billionsof> years?>> I do not need or expect any civility from you. Those who need respectdo> not renounce the world. I ignore personal insults , but not insults to> shaatras. I had asked you to " Forget whether I am a monk or arascal."> You missed the point. Hence I am

posting such a reply, which isagainst> my norms. Keep on posting sarcasting comments on my monkhood, and keep> on accusing me of falsehood. It is harming you, not me.>> Sincerely,>> -Vinay Jha>> ============ ========= ========= ========= = ===>> , Sunil Bhattacharjya> <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> >> > Mr. Vinay Jha,> >> > In an earlier mail you have triumphantly quoted the number of> revolutions of the Sun, the Moon and the Juipter from theSuryasiddhanta> and then you gave your manipulated calculations for arriving at the> figure of 365+ using the number of revolutiuons of the Sun. At thattime> you tactfully evaded the calculations using the revolutions of theMoon> and the Jupiter. I reminded you about it and yet you are ignoring it>

time and again. This itself proves that you are wrong. Please give the> calculations for the revolutions of the Moon and the Jupiter withoutany> delay and prove your point, Mr. Vinay Jha.> >> > Moreover you want others to believe every word you say. You claim to> be a monk and do you think all the monks in the world are above board?I> feel your attitude should befit a monk and that is more important than> your self-declaration that you are a monk. What has monkhood to dowith> the discussions on Hindu astronomy and astrology. Moreover many of us> including me do not know you. I am sure you do not want the learned> members of the group to appear naive to accept every word you say,> unless you substantiate what you say, particularly when the> substantiation is asked for.> >> > You said I advised you anbout the benefits of the two tolas

of wine.> Can you please quote the mails as to when and where and in whatcontext> I wrote about the Tantric practice of taking two tolas of wine? You> condemned the Tantra as anti-Vedic and told that Tantra advocates> drinking and other undesirable practices. I only told you thatKularnava> tantra says that it is based on Veda and I also told you as to why in> some tantric practices there is the allowance of two tolas of wine and> that was by no means a suggestion to you to take wine. Please do not> twist facts in a forum of intelligent people. If you want to practice> Tantra then please go to a tantric guru and do as he tells you. Butfor> God's sake do not mislead the group members by your false statements.I> know you are peeved at my objections to some of your statements and> instead of giving satisfactory answers you are angry. A true monk>

always tells the fact and is cool and never angry> > and vindictive like you are. Please try to be a good monk and do not> utter or write about wine, whether it is two tolas or two gallons. Itis> unbecoming of a monk.> >> > Look at Ventakrishnanji. I appreciate his way of acting. He gave me> the verses from the Matsya Purana (though without his interpretationof> the text) and he also gave his date of Lord Rama as 90,000 years ago> (though without showing how he arrivede at that figure). Now he no> longer says that the number 4,320,000 is related to the time (inyears)> of the Sun's revolution around the Galaxy. We do not agree with each> other and that is all.> >> >> > I never said that Hindu cosmology is wrong. One Mahayuga is 12,000> years and 1,000 such Mahayuga is one day of Brahma. Thus one day of> Brahma is

equal to 12 million years. Similarly one night of Brahma is> 12 million years. So one day and night together of Brahma is 24million> years. Brahma's one year is 24 million X 360 = 8.64 billion years.> Show me where it is said that Brahma's life is only one day and one> night. At the end of his l;ife one Brahma goes away another Brahma> comes. Hindu cosmology somewhat tallies with the findings of themodern> scientists.> >> > Sincerely,> >> > -SKB> >> > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ... wrote:> >> >> > vinayjhaa16 vinayjhaa16@ ...> > Re: Span of Mahayuga according to> Suryasiddhanta> > > > Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 11:03 AM> >> >> >> >> >>

>> >> >> > To Mr B.C. Venkatakrishnan, Daniel F. Salas, & SKB :> >> > Mr Sunil Ji was making wrong statements that one divya varsha was> equal> > to one solar year. I supplied him verses from Suryasiddhanta andother> > siddhantas, Mahabharata, but he is under an oath never to accept> truth.> > When Venkatakrishnan Ji supplied him verses from Matsya Purana, SKB> > instantly shifted to Lord Rama. He is accusing me of misinterpreting> one> > divya year as being equal to 360 human years, and says it is my> > invention. When I supply verses from ancient texts, he either abuses> me> > or diverts the topic to Lord Rama. A deliberate distortion ofancient> > texts is a crime. If SKB does not accept the figures given in> > scriptures, he should abuse those scriptures, not me.>

>> > Fortunately, Mr B.C. Venkatakrishnan, Daniel F. Salas are normal> > grihastas and not monks, hence they escaped abuses from SKB. In> threads> > dedicated to discussions about ancient siddhanta, he twice advisedme> > about the benefits of two tolas of wine every day, knowing full well> > that such an advice should not be given to a monk who is maintaining> > lifelong celibacy (any reference to the term "brahmachaari" makeshim> > mad with anger). Why he has so much ire against scriptures and monks> ??> > Where lies the fault ? In him, or in the scriptures ? All ancient> texts> > invariably accept one divya year to be equal to 360 human years,while> > SKB wants to pack whole human history within 12000 human years.> Present> > Mahaayuga began 3.9 million years ago. Scientists also accept that>

> modern genus of mankind started evolving at about the same time. Mr> B.C.> > Venkatakrishnan says Sun revolves round the galactic centre onceevery> > 250 year. I believe this figue is about 300 million years, or one> > Manavantara. Evidence of Modern Value of Precession inBhaskaracharya'> s> > Work based on Suryasiddhanta can be seen at Click_Here> > <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Ayanamsha+ vs+Precession> .> If> > ancient knowledge was scientific and spread over great extent oftime> > and place, persons like SKB get infuriated.> >> > -Vinay Jha> > ============ ========= == ====> > , Sunil Bhattacharjya> > <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote:> > >> > > Dear

Mr. Venkataraman,> > >> > > Thank you for giving your opinion on the date of Lord Rama. So you> may> > be advocating that the date of the Vedas will also be something like> > Million years ago.> > >> > > From the Pauranic dynasty of the Suryavamsha I find it difficultto> > agrre with you. Further to my knowledge Lord Rama was from theIkshaku> > Vamsha and Lord Buddha was also from the same Vamsha. I understand> that> > they could have been separated at most by a few thousand years. Solet> > us agree to disagree on the date of Lord Rama.> > >> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > >> > >> > >> > > --- On Sat, 5/16/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > >

Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta> > > "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya > > Cc: danielyogi7@ ..., ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:41 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mr.Sunil,> > > The the LORD RAAMA Avataara took place around> > 9,00,000 years ago according to my research.According to> Srimadbhagavata> > LORD RAAMAAVATAARA took place in this Dretaayuga ( i.e. )> > SVETAVARAAHAKALPA, VAIVASVATAMANVANTAA RA 28th Mahaayuga Dretaayuga.> > > B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> > > website: www.vedascience. com> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > > Cc: danielyogi7@ ...; ancient_indian_ astrology;> > > > > Wednesday, May 13, 2009 7:34:57 PM> > > Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mr. Venkataraman,> > >> > > Thank you for the verses and you have given your interpretation of> > these earlier. May I ask you a related question, which is more likea> > corollary to the earlier question. That is what do you think, in the> > light of your interpretation of these verses, is the date of Lord> Rama?> > If you have difficulty in giving the exact figure you may give a> > ball-park figure.>

> >> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > >> > >> > >> > > --- On Wed, 5/13/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > > Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta> > > "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya > > Cc: danielyogi7@ ..., ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > > > Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 5:31 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mr.Sunil,> > > One correction, the 3,60,000 human years make> > one thousand divine years and not 36,000 human years as typed byme.I> t> > was a typographic error.> > >

The original Sanskrit slokas Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15 are as> > follows:> > > Sloka No.11> > > trimsadyaani tu varshaaNi divyo maasastu sa smrtah,> > > maanushaaNaam satam yacca divyaa maasaastrayastu vai,> > > patayeva saha sakhyaato divya esha vidhih smrtah.> > >> > > Sloka No.12> > > treeni varshasataanyevam shashti varshaiastathaiva ca,> > > divyah samvatsaro hyesha maanusheNa prakortitah.> > >> > > Sloka No.13> > > treeni varshasahasraaNi maanusheNa pramaaNatah,> > > trimsadanyaani varshaaNi smrtah saptarshivatsarah.> > >> > > Sloka No.14> > > nava yaani sahasraaNi varshaaNaam maanushaaNi ca,> > > varshaaNi navatiscaiva dhdavasamvatsarah smrtha.> > >> > > Sloka No.15> > > shatttamsattu

sahasraaNi varshaaNaam maanushaaNi ca,> > > shashtiscaiva sahasraaNi samkhyaataani tu samahyayaa,> > > divyam varshasahasram tu praahuh samahyaavido janaa> > >> > >> > > Regarding the revolutions of Moon and Jupiter the method of> > calculation is the same as Mr Daniel Salas workedout the only> difference> > is that he has taken the number of years of revolution of Sun,Jupiter> > and Moon and divided the actual number of years mentioned in theTexts> > by 1000 which should not be done but the result is same.> > > B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> > > website: www.vedascience. com> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > > bcvk71@> > > Cc: danielyogi7@ ...;

ancient_indian_ astrology;> > > > > Tuesday, May 5, 2009 7:54:29 AM> > > Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mr. Venkataraman,> > >> > > Will you mind giving the five original Sanskrit verses of theMatsya> > Purana Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15, which you mentioned.> > >> > > Secondly how do you explain the number of revolutions of the Moon> and> > the Jupiter?> > >> > > Regards,> > >> > > Sunil K.Bhattacharjya> > >> > >> > > --- On Mon, 5/4/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > venkata

krishnan bcvk71@> > > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> > > "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya , danielyogi7 > > Monday, May 4, 2009, 2:51 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mr.Sunil,> > > I agree with Daniel Salas.The only correction> > being 12000 Devavarshas is the span of one Mahaayuga and to get the> span> > of one Mahaayuga in terms ofhuman years we should multply 12000 by> 360.> > According to Matsya Purana Chapter 142, Slokas 11 to 15,> > > Meaning:> > > 'Thirty years of men is one month for Devas. A century of> > men is three months and a few days of the Devas. 360 human yearsmake> > one year of the Devas. 3030 years makes one year of

the Sapta-rshis.> > 9000 human years, make one year of Dhruva.> > > It is called Dhruva Samvatsara. 36,000 human years make onethousand> > divine years.'> > > B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> > > website: www.vedascience. com> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 1:00:07 PM> > > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mr. Venkataraman,> > >> > > You are not replying to the point. Please reply to the points> raised.> > You cannot evade explaining the number of revolutions of the

Moonand> > the Jupiter to your convenience. In the geocentric model there is no> > place for your imaginations as they do not simply fit in the> geocentric> > model where the Sun a star becomes a graha, the Moon, a satellite of> the> > earth becomes a graha and Jupiter is also a graha. In the geocentric> > model all the grahas revolve round the earth. Nowhere it ismentioned> > that you are to multiply the 12,000 years of Mahayuga years by 360to> > get human years. For your information 2700 Divyavarsha is equal to> 3030> > human years. Please do not furnish unsubstantiated information.> > >> > >> > > --- On Sat, 5/2/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley

Script> > > "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya > > Cc: "Daniel Salas" danielyogi7@ ...,> > ancient_indian_ astrology, @> . com> > > Saturday, May 2, 2009, 11:44 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mr.Sunil,> > > One correction, The Suryasidhdhanta mentions as> > 43,20,000 years and not 43,32,000 years which is typographicerror.The>

> moon takes approximately 29 andodd earth days to revolve arround the> > earth.The earth takes approx 365days approx to revolvearround theSun> > which is also one human year.The sun takes 250million earth years> (i.e.)> > human years to revolve arround the centre of Aakaashaganga( i.e.)> > Milkeyway galaxy.And all these have nothing to do with One Mahaayuga> > the span of which is 12,000 Deva years.If you multiply 12,000 Deva> years> > with 360 human years the result is 43,20,000 human years which is> earth> > years and this is the span of one Mahaayuga.The Sidereal period of> > rotation of the Sun is 25 and odd earthdays and the its period of> > rotation with respect to the earth is 27 and odd days.(Latitude 16> > degrees).The span of one Mahayuga is certainly not the period of> > revolution or rotation of the Sun.The

the> > > revolution of earth arround the Sun is called the Solar years.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > > Cc: Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ...;> > ancient_indian_ astrology; @> . com> > > Sunday, May 3, 2009 2:01:51 AM> > > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Shri Venkatakrishnanji,> > >> > > If what you are saying is correct then how do you explain that> > according to the Suryasiddhanta the number of revolution of the Moon> is> > slightly greater than that of the Sun

and that the number of> revolution> > of the Jupiter is slightly lower than that of the Sun during thesame> > Mahayuga period.> > >> > > Yours sincerely,> > >> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > >> > > --- On Sat, 5/2/09, venkata krishnan bcvk71@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > venkata krishnan bcvk71@> > > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> > > "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya , "Daniel Salas"> > danielyogi7@ ...> > > Saturday, May 2, 2009, 12:21 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Mr.Daniel Salas,> > > The Suryasiddhana mentioning of> > 43,32000 years is not the Solar years of Rotation of the Sun but

the> > Number of human years which is the earth's revolution arround theSun.> > The Sun revolves arround the centre of the Akashaganga (i.e.)> Milkeyway> > galaxy in 250 million earth years approx which has been proved by> modern> > Astronomy.> > > Yours sincerly,> > > B.C.VENKATAKRISHNAN .> > > website: www.vedascience. com> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > > Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ...> > > Cc: bcvk71@> > > Saturday, May 2, 2009 5:22:22 AM> > > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Then you may send the correct interpretation of

the Suryasiddhanta> to> > the eight others. Suryasiddhanta said that Mahayuga is 4,320,000> > revolutions and not 4,320,000 years. Vinay Jha is confused as he> thinks> > that one revolution means one year.> > >> > > Thank you,> > >> > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > >> > > --- On Fri, 5/1/09, Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ... wrote:> > >> > >> > > Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ...> > > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> > > "Sunil Bhattacharjya" sunil_bhattacharjya > > Friday, May 1, 2009, 11:47 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Sorry, do you want me to retract the Email , I only sent it to 8> >

others.> > > Daniel F. Salas> > >> > > --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > wrote:> > >> > >> > > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > > Re: Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> > > "Daniel Salas" danielyogi7@ ...> > > Cc: bcvk71@> > > Thursday, April 30, 2009, 4:32 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Daniel Salasji,> > >> > > You are confusing Vinay jha's mails with my mail. The mail you> quoted> > was actually from Vinay Jha.> > >> > > skb> > >> > > --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ... wrote:> > >> >

>> > > Daniel Salas danielyogi7@ ...> > > Fw: calender of the Indus Valley Script> > > sunil_bhattacharjya > > Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:25 PM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > --- On Thu, 4/30/09, danielyogi7@ ... danielyogi7@ ... wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > danielyogi7@ ... danielyogi7@ ...> > > calender of the Indus Valley Script> > > bcvk71@> > > Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:22 PM> > >> > > Vinay Jha said:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > "Indians (of all ancient siddhaantas, incluing

Aryabhatiya,> > Suryasiddhanta, Narada Purana, etc) used to give number of planetary> > revolutions in terms of revolutions per mahayuga". Suryasiddhanta> > clearly says that one mayayuga of 12000 divya years is equal to> 4320000> > solar years during which Sun makes 4320000 revolutions, Moon57753336,> > Jupiter 364220, and so on. 4320000 revolutions of Sun is notpossible> in> > 12000 years.> > >> > > If you take these numbers as is it makes no sense> > because 4320000 revolutions of the Sun is not possible in 12000years.> > From Chitra 180 degrees with respect to Dhruva starts the calenderat> > Asvin, then one lunar house equals 30 degrees. Due to the precession> of> > the equinox the time period for the equinoctial shift through 1degree> > of arc was 72 years. The time period

for the shift to go through a> whole> > astrological house was 2160 years. 72 x 30= 2160 then 2160 x 2 => > 4320 a yuga. The callendar mutiplied this number by 100 or in modern> > times you can express the number as 4320.000 three decmil place> > precission .The Yajurveda and Samhita and other books list 27> Naksatras,> > the moon orbits the earth in 27 days (sidereal period see below)each> > night it spends in a Naksatra. The Siddhaanta, Aryabhatiya,> > Suryasiddhanta, Narada Purana have the lunar orbits of a yuga as> > 57753336 agian mutiplied x 100 or 57753.336> > > three decmil place precission. 57753.336 divided by 4320.000 => > 13.36882 360 / 27 = 13.333... each naksatras is assigned 13.333...of> > the ecliptic.> > > For Jupiter the ancient text have 364220 years again 3 decimal> places>

> 4320.000 / 364.220 = 11.860 http://en.wikipedia .org/wiki/ Moon> Jupiter> > completes an orbit every 11.86 years around the Sun The Moon> > makes a complete orbit around the Earth with respect to the fixed> stars> > about once every 27.3 days (its sidereal period). However, since the> > Earth is moving in its orbit about the Sun at the same time, ittakes> > slightly longer for the Moon to show its same phase to Earth, whichis> > about 29.5 days (its synodic period).[6Earth' s rotation by about> 0.002> > seconds per day per century.[52] As a result of the conservation of> > angular momentum, the slowing of Earth's rotation is accompanied byan> > increase of the mean Earth-Moon distance of about 3.8 m per century,> or> > 3.8 cm per year.[53]>

> >> > > 432 century's x 3.8 =1641.6 meters this may account for thesidereal> > miss of 27.3 and 27 degrees.> > > Daniel F. Salas> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

May 25, 2009

Vinayji,

1)

Please do not forget that you yourself sent me a mail sometime ago casting aspersions on the moderators, which was very damaging. Do you want me to forward that mail to the group? You have no right to accuse me as I wrote what appeared to me at a particular time and if it is considered a grave crime and if the moderator takes umbrage at it then he will take appropriate action. You need not get upset about it. Cool down Vinayji.

2 & 3)

Please quote the verses of the Vishnu purana, which you mentioned in your previous mail and this mail. Please do not forget that Divya varsha is Solar year. For gods, Lord Brahma, Lord Vishnu and Lord Shiva the time scales are separate for each of them. By the way you seem to have not read the time scales in the Vayu purana, which in my opinion, is a must for one who is interested in the span of the yugas. Further I don't know if you are aware that the Bhagavata Purana is the last and the highest of the Puranas, which was composed by Vedavyasa himself after he composed the Mahabharata and hence in case of any dispute between the matters in the different Puranas the Bhagavata Purana has the last word.

4) Please do not speak the untruth. You have not sent any verse on the Manush year so far. I wrote you earlier that the Manush year is the Lunar Nakshatriya year and 2700 of Divya Varsha or Solar year is 3030 Manush year.

5)

I maintain that I never said that the Span of Mahayuga is 12,000 Human years. I ony said that it is 12000 solar years.

6)

When I mentioned about the past misguided scholars I was referring to the several of the scholars in the last two centuries or so who misinterpreted the Yuga calculations through their wrong interpretations of the Suryasiddhanta, in spite of the higher authority of Bhagavata Purana clearly stating that the Mahayuga is 12,000 years. I was not referring to the great ancient sages in that. Please do not twist matters.

7)

I too agree that Mr. Hattangadi is right because you just claim and do not substantiate and this debate is unnecessarily being prolonged. You know that I am away from India and I do not have the access to all my books and the Indian libraries and taking addvantage of that you are trying to smother me by lying that I have not seen the Suryasiddhanta and trying to recommend to me what I should read.

As regards your work you need beat your trumpet. You may be busy and might have taken more than you can chew. I also did get invitations from some groups and because of paucity of time I could not join those groups. I am also not sitting idle. I also have to complete my books ASAP.

Sincerely,

--- On Sun, 5/24/09, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16 wrote:

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16Re: Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhantasunil_bhattacharjyaDate: Sunday, May 24, 2009, 11:33 PM

Sunil Ji (and others) ,You have relapsed to falsehood again, in spite of ample proofs already provided by me. Here are some of latest proofs of your deliberate falsehoods in your newest message. I did not want to use a term "falsehood", but you have left me with no alternative. I apologize for my straightforwardness.(1)You are falsely charging the moderator : "Moderator of the Jyotishgroup has decided not to allow my replies to you to appear in the group-mail". See your most recent messages : 23364 (today), 23357 (yesterday, ie May 24), 23347 and 23341 (both on May 22) : your messages are appearing in group messages. Why you accuse moderators falsely ? Moreover, you are also questioning my integrity by charging me of complicity in blocking your

messages ("you become a moderator of the Jyotishgroup?"). I am not a moderator. You are finding it impossible to prove your fallacious arguments, and therefore you are now blaming moderators and me for finding some excuse for getting out of the debate "honourably" (by mudslinging on moderators and me).(2)Such false charges are accompanied with other false statements from you : "Vishnu Purana the Span of the Kali yuga is 4800 years."As I said in earlier message here, Vishnu Purana (Amsha-vi, chapter-3, verses 6-11) clearly say that 360 "human" ("maanusha", see verse 6) years are equal to one divya year and 12000 "divya" years constitute one Chaturyuga (ie, Mahayuga). Exactly same thing is repeated in Vishnu Purana (Amsha-i, chapter-3, verses 8-14), with clarification that four yugas of a Chaturyuga have lengths of 4800, 3600, 2400 and 1200

divya years. The sequence of yugas is Satyuga, Treta, Dvaapara and Kaliyuga, which means duration of Satyuga is 4800, Treta 3600, Dvaapara 2400 and Kaliyuga 1200 "divya" years according to Vishnu Purana. Why you invert the sequence of four yugas of a Chaturyuga and read Kaliyuga as 4800 ? Even schoolboys do not commit such blunders !(3)"Bhagavata Purana... indicates that it is 12,000 Solar years. "It is a lie. Please show the verse of Bhagavata Purana which says "Solar" (in "12,000 Solar years").(4)""I said that the Lunar Nakshatriya year is Human year and the Saptarshi cycle of 2700 Solar years is equal to 3030 Nakshatriya Lunar years or Human years."I have sent you verses from MBh and SS which define "Maanusha" year , yet you wrongly define human year as "Lunar Nakshatriya year is Human year". There

are five types of human year, and which type you should choose depends upon the context and not upon your mood. In some contexts, lunar year is used, which is based on synodical lunar month of 29.530588 saavana days, and not on Nakshatra months. You are deliberately diverting the issue away from your original contention that one mahayuga is of 12000 "solar" years.(5)"I never said that the Span of a Mahayuga is 12,000 Human years."There are five types of human year, which include solar as well as lunar years. In present context, "human" means "solar" ; these are not my words. See the verses from ancient scriptures which used the words "human" year, and also defined it in terms of solar "saavana" days.(6)"Nowhere it is said that one Mahayuga is 4320,000 years. You cannot find a single reference anywhere. Also nowhere it is said that you have to multiply the 12,000 years by 360. All these are imaginations

by some past misguided scholars and you are blindly following thier footsteps."I sent you verses with translations from ancient texts (see past messages under this discussion) , I also sent you addresses of publications and websites. I am surprized that you are deliberately repeating your wrong statements neglecting all those references ! From your language, I guess these original texts whose verses I sent (Mahabharata, many Puranas, Suryasiddhanta, Aryabhatiya, Brahmasphutasiddhanta) were written by "past misguided scholars" like Vyaasa Ji, Lord Surya, Aryabhatta, Brahmagupta, etc ! I am sorry for your insincerity. How can you put "1582237828 sunrises" in only 12000 "solar" years ? (7)Mr. Hattangadi was right in suggesting that the discussions on Suryasiddhanta is being prolonged beyond its utility. You should stop posting false mails. Why this thread should be closed with a last wrong and insincere mail from you, without a proper answer from me ? I have no interest in wasting my time over you. You are a retired person with no interest in astrology. You are disrupting astrological forums. I have many tasks at hand, and I sincerely want to discontinue and discussion with an insincere person who rejects all original verses from ancient texts sent by me and then says there is no reference ! Here is short list of my tasks, which you are disrupting by your useless messages :(i) running 7 schools, colleges (all Sanskrit), and managing real fights rather than verval duels moderators are here expected to manage.(ii) publishing 7 panchangas(iii) contributing 38 pages in astrological magazine(vi) managing a close forum, many websites (some closed

ones)(5) updating over two dozen softwares(i) answering ALL messages to or about me in half a dozen fora(vii) translating hitherto untranslated Jyotisha texts (Bhaskar's Vaasanaabhaashya about Siddhanta Shiromani, Kamlakara Bhatta's Siddhaanta-tattva- viveka)(viii) commentary on Suryasiddhanta involving comparative study with all ancient and modern theories of astronomy(ix) making and updating softwares about other ancient and modern siddhantas for my comparative study of all ancient and modern theories of astronomy(x) procuring and collating all available manuscripts and published versions of BPHS for bring out a critical edition of the original text(xi) collection of astrological references in entire ancient literature of India (esp Vedic-Puranic) ; the most voluminous of them MBh has already been finished.(xii) weather forecasts sent to scientists (and now to astrologers too)(xiii) besides all these "possible"

tasks , I have one "impossible" task forced upon me (which I never accepted) : to prove my correctness to those who will not test my software and never read case studies sent by me. My future credentials will be zero for those who do not value my past credentials.I know these tasks means nothing to you. You are intent on wasting my time. Close this thread at once, because you will never accept any type of evidence.-Vinay Jha======================= ====

"sunil_bhattacharjya" <sunil_bhattacharjya Cc: ; vinayjhaa16Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 4:57:37 AMRe: Re: Span of Mahayuga according to Suryasiddhanta