Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2009 Madam Neelam Gupta, According to my software it is Sun/Venus/Sun by 360 and Sun/Merc/Sat is by 365.25 starting on 02-03--09. Love nd regards--- On Tue, 3/10/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Empty Kendras Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 6:56 PM Dear Kursija ji,I am extremely sorry. I have made a typo in the DOB. it is 28 Nov 1962 and I gave you 27th. The planetary positions have remained the same, of course dasha has changed. I have been quite familiar with this chart, so I knew that the native is into Sun-Mer now. Hence I asked you twice. I apologise for this mistake and the inconvenience caused to you.RegardsNeelam 2009/3/10 S.C. Kursija <sckursija Madam Neelam Gupta, I use parashar light and it show the same. I have not calculated manually. Love and regards. --- On Tue, 3/10/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Empty Kendras Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 10:26 AM Dear Kursija ji,I understand, and you may take what you find working best for you. But are you sure in Vimshottari this individual can have Venus\Rahu\Jupiter running by any calculation??RegardsNeelam 2009/3/9 S.C. Kursija <sckursija Dear Neelam Gupta,I welcome your views. If we touch the dasha period point, it will again become a point of discussion, because some accepts 365.25 cycle. I accept 360 degree cycle of the vimshottari dasha as the circle, brahmand is of 360 degee and number of year allotted to each planet in vimshottarei dasha iare according to 360. I use 360 as it give me accurate timing.Love and regards --- On Mon, 3/9/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Empty Kendras Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:31 PM Respected Kursija ji,Thank you for sharing your views.//I feel that it will be better to clarify the or pin point the aspect of life you want to be get analised.//I don't want to get any aspect analysed. I gave this as an example under our discussion on:Moon-mars exchange when both are debilitated and its implications for the trineEmpty Kendras and its implications in the chartRole of upchay sthans, if any when kendras are emptyI didn't give any clues as I thought Vijay ji and other members might like to make a judgment first. Otherwise we start 'fixing' astrology. We need to see what could have been the results of the above factors in native's life. //Dasha running is Venus\Rahu\Jupiter.//I guess Dahsa running is Sun-Ket. //Saturn with Ketu is also aspecting 2nd He may be having bad habits such as alcoholics.//This is not true. He has no bad habits.Let me say that the results of this exchange have been 'just as we would expect' as per the lordship, placement and karkatwas of the planets involved.RegardsNeelam' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2009 Thank you Kursija ji. I have the same dates. I also use Prashara Light 7.0RegardsNeelam2009/3/10 S.C. Kursija <sckursija Madam Neelam Gupta, According to my software it is Sun/Venus/Sun by 360 and Sun/Merc/Sat is by 365.25 starting on 02-03--09. Love nd regards--- On Tue, 3/10/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Empty Kendras Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 6:56 PM Dear Kursija ji,I am extremely sorry. I have made a typo in the DOB. it is 28 Nov 1962 and I gave you 27th. The planetary positions have remained the same, of course dasha has changed. I have been quite familiar with this chart, so I knew that the native is into Sun-Mer now. Hence I asked you twice. I apologise for this mistake and the inconvenience caused to you. RegardsNeelam 2009/3/10 S.C. Kursija <sckursija Madam Neelam Gupta, I use parashar light and it show the same. I have not calculated manually. Love and regards. --- On Tue, 3/10/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Empty Kendras Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 10:26 AM Dear Kursija ji,I understand, and you may take what you find working best for you. But are you sure in Vimshottari this individual can have Venus\Rahu\Jupiter running by any calculation??RegardsNeelam 2009/3/9 S.C. Kursija <sckursija Dear Neelam Gupta,I welcome your views. If we touch the dasha period point, it will again become a point of discussion, because some accepts 365.25 cycle. I accept 360 degree cycle of the vimshottari dasha as the circle, brahmand is of 360 degee and number of year allotted to each planet in vimshottarei dasha iare according to 360. I use 360 as it give me accurate timing. Love and regards --- On Mon, 3/9/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Re: Re: Empty Kendras Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:31 PM Respected Kursija ji,Thank you for sharing your views.//I feel that it will be better to clarify the or pin point the aspect of life you want to be get analised.//I don't want to get any aspect analysed. I gave this as an example under our discussion on: Moon-mars exchange when both are debilitated and its implications for the trineEmpty Kendras and its implications in the chartRole of upchay sthans, if any when kendras are emptyI didn't give any clues as I thought Vijay ji and other members might like to make a judgment first. Otherwise we start 'fixing' astrology. We need to see what could have been the results of the above factors in native's life. //Dasha running is Venus\Rahu\Jupiter.//I guess Dahsa running is Sun-Ket. //Saturn with Ketu is also aspecting 2nd He may be having bad habits such as alcoholics.//This is not true. He has no bad habits. Let me say that the results of this exchange have been 'just as we would expect' as per the lordship, placement and karkatwas of the planets involved.RegardsNeelam' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2009 Respected Neelamji, Thankyou, It is really clearing many basic concepts and a eye opener for me. Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel. Jaipur. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vijay ji, > > //Here debilitation is good as moon and mars is lord of trishadaya houses > placed in trishadaya house. It will make the person never die attitude at > handling different situations. Kendra are empty so it is more pronounced as > he will know that he has to fight alone// > This may be true to a certain extent. Debilitation might be good in some > ways in trishadaya. When one has to suffer bad karmas, strength and stamina > are also required, isn't it? > > //Since both moon and mars are closely associated with other planets so this > VRY could come in the positive ways in the antar dasa of associated > planets.// > This is where the catch lies. For Gemini and virgo, both moon and mars are > supposed to be adverse. If they get associated further with lagna factor and > other bad/marak lords they can play havoc. I have noticed this practically > in all cases. And if the planet is also debilitated, then it can be most > dangerous. > > In this particular case, mars is in cancer with rahu (karela aur neem > chadha), it aspects 2H/venus, 5H/sat, 6H/jup and disposits LL and the > luminaries. The whole chart is mars controlled. Though the native has yet to > get the mars dasha, it has influenced his life in a major way by giving > results in its own antar and antars of planets it is afflicting. As it > afflicts all planets, all his life the native has been facing troubles. > > - Was born sick and could not pass urine, had major hernia operation > within a month of birth. (may be role of jal tatwa, mer is in scorpio and he > was born in me-me). > - He got burnt with milk boiling (on a angeethi) when he was in mer-sun > and one arm was badly burnt, still cannot straighten his arm. > - Lost a younger brother, in mer-sun only. This can be seen clearly, as > sun, the 12L is also in 3H. > - Has been prone to accidents, falls etc. Twice had serious ear > infections. But also has great resilience and perseverance. > - In Ketu-sat, when he was an MBA student, got involved in a case of > ragging and was put behind bars for a few days, the case went on for some > years. > - His car was stolen, father gave him some property which was mortgaged > for small debt and lost. > - He has never been able to settle in life due to losses in everything. > Initially he started with a job which he left for starting his own business. > Since that day, he has piled up debts and losses only. Mostly paid off by > father. > - There are many more events like this, which can also be seen in his > chart. Now almost ending sun's dasha who gave worst results being 12L in 3H. > > Basically, there is a malicious loop between 3-11 and the gains of efforts > are nil. In fact each effort goes into loss. > > //Now main thing is that in jal tattwa rashi in kaama trikone these planets > are with rahu, sun, mercury. This also mean that person will be too desirous > and materialistic and go to any extent to fulfil his desire.// > He has not been very desirous, as he was born into a fairly well-to-do > family. But one has to run is own family and he has been a failure in that. > This position in kaam trikon has in fact never let anything materialise for > him. > > //Now does this exchange made the person to control his desires to the limit > according to his family norms?// > I think it will all vary from lagna to lagna. For tau, vir, and cap, this > exchange involves kaam trikon. For these three, moon gets 3,11,7 lordship > respectively, which in itself is not good. And mars in tau (7,12) and > Capricorn (4,11), rules one Kendra also, but is vicious in virgo (3,8). > Influence of benefics will also make a major difference in getting the > desires fulfilled. > > I hope you'll find this useful. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2009 Respected senior Sreeram srinivasji, Impressive ! This whole discussion on empty Kendra has widen my views and are thought provoking. Now, i will not get scared easily when this type of horoscope will be presented in front of me . Thankyou, HAPPY HOLI TO ALL THE MEMBERS, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Vijay Goel ji, > > Supplementing to Sreenadh's mail..... > > Kendras are aking to pillars / columns to a modern building. Benefics > placed gives raise to " reasoning " qualities, Malefics tend to give > " rebel/radical " qualities. There is a excellent example in Chinese > history - Empress Dowager who ruled China for over 75+ yrs, went by > traditions and reasoning, whereas her Grandson Emperor Hong Wu{ ruled > China for 30+ yrs}, did exactly opposite and changed the very basics of > rules that ruled China during his time in comparison to his GrandMa's > period. > > Astro_Point: Better to see TWIN or PAIR houses, 2H & 8H, 3H & 9H, 6H > & 12H ....etc > > Both were distinguished Emperor {Hong Wu} / Empress {Dowager} in > Chinese History in their own way, considered important contributing > periods in Chinese History. In today's history, Chinese give more > importance to Emperor Hong Wu....for his great contributions.... for his > UPSC { Indian Govt. vacancies selection board} type exams & selections > way back in 13th Century.... > > Note: In Chinese History, Emperor is one entity, Empress Title is > either held by emperor's wife or mother. In most of the cases it is > held by Mother, the only notable exception being - Empress Dowager who > was a Grand Mother. > > Kendras - 4H logics, reasoning aspects 10H of karma or career, > similarly natural benefics in Lagna influence 7H, 7H is 10H from 10H. > > Similarly planets in 6H, 12H.... when in middle age, diseases dawn on > individuals, frequent visits to hospitals...etc.. > > In old age....the 9H or 12H... when we are tired or frustated with the > World.... another realization in existence of God ....dawns on human > mind..... > > Now see the above in reverse manner....if the dasha of 9H or 12H > comes.... he will join ISKON or Taliban !!! and may not show interest in > marriage or other normal life events... > > If the dasha of 3H & 6H.... he will join either a sports events { > especially - SUMO / Samurai / Ninja events} or end up in street brawls > i.e. Al-Qaida activities....influenced by external forces.... with weak > kendras supplementing... > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2009 Dear Mr. Vijay Goel ji, We have another interesting characters in our Indian history - Emperor Shahjahan & his son Emperor Aurangazeb. Shahjahan is a mild emperor who was " day dreamer " in his own paradise, his intense love for his wife - killed her !! { 15 children in 19 yrs of marriage- her body weakened with each successive childbirth/delivery} while Auranzeb was hardcore " realist " for he was engaged in military wars since his childhood did everything in contrast to his father, the current Taliban seems to have taken few lessons from books on Aurangazeb, who in his time imposed all taxes on Hindu population, all exemptions to Muslims, was a devout Muslim for he said to have never missed his prayers during his life time, a dictator by any standard, himself slept on floor through his life... Sri B.V. Raman & Sri K.N. Rao both have published supposed to be Aurangazeb's hororscope, with some variations { to my memory}. You can refer to JOA 1997-98 issues for details. Another favorite of Sri K.N. Rao and should be for all astro_students is the hororscopes of Moraji Desai & Indira Gandhi - they offer very contrasting - " Principles of Life " When analysing such hororscopes, important to note the LL, Moon & Sun placement in Fixed signs. So do the planets in Kendras to be Fixed / Movable / Dual ..etc. = for the variations betweenthem..... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2009 Dear Srinivas ji, That was informative. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Mr. Vijay Goel ji,> > We have another interesting characters in our Indian history - Emperor> Shahjahan & his son Emperor Aurangazeb. Shahjahan is a mild emperor who> was "day dreamer" in his own paradise, his intense love for his wife -> killed her !! { 15 children in 19 yrs of marriage- her body weakened> with each successive childbirth/delivery} while Auranzeb was hardcore> "realist" for he was engaged in military wars since his childhood did> everything in contrast to his father, the current Taliban seems to have> taken few lessons from books on Aurangazeb, who in his time imposed all> taxes on Hindu population, all exemptions to Muslims, was a devout> Muslim for he said to have never missed his prayers during his life> time, a dictator by any standard, himself slept on floor through his> life...> > Sri B.V. Raman & Sri K.N. Rao both have published supposed to be> Aurangazeb's hororscope, with some variations { to my memory}. You can> refer to JOA 1997-98 issues for details.> > Another favorite of Sri K.N. Rao and should be for all astro_students is> the hororscopes of Moraji Desai & Indira Gandhi - they offer very> contrasting - "Principles of Life"> > When analysing such hororscopes, important to note the LL, Moon & Sun> placement in Fixed signs. So do the planets in Kendras to be Fixed /> Movable / Dual ..etc. = for the variations betweenthem.....> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 11, 2009 Namaskar allThankyou very much Goelji for posting this chat and starting this topic when i read this topic this was the chart which flashed in me - and this question was in my mind since i saw this chart The langa kendras are empty and the Chandra langa has only one planet in its own house which is sun. As he is also an astrologer the a point of " debate " ketu is in navams trines - with the present time as the D 24 chat does not match i seriously feel the time must be 20.12 or later which explain this astrological ability better. ? Thanks Sreenadh ji for you well explained answers Nandana * * * * One more chart i have just received which is very similar to above one , just tilted upside down [] Date: August 23, 1985 Time: 19:57:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 88 E 22' 00 " , 22 N 34' 00 " Calcutta, India An aspiring astrologer in this forum. Here kendra are also empty and moon and mars exchange in 5th, 9th houses. * * * * The above both horoscope are really very complex with lots of VRY. Respected Neelamji, this is my limited view to your example, kindly shed more light. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2009 Dear Sreeram Srinivas, Thanks for the informative post. Love and regards. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2009 Thankyou, Sreeram Srinivasji, I searched in 98 JOA issues, but i didn't find out, 97 issues is misplaced by me. I do also remember that these chart is discussed in JOA issues. //When analysing such hororscopes, important to note the LL, Moon & Sun placement in Fixed signs. So do the planets in Kendras to be Fixed / Movable / Dual ..etc. = for the variations betweenthem...../// This i have noted down, thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 12, 2009 Dear Vijay ji,You will find them in JOA 2004, Jan-Mar issue. I am giving these birth details for your reference. All are not from that issue.Humayun 6.3.1508/……./AfghanistanAkbar 23.11.1542/16.30/Amarkot Jahangir 30.8.1569/ 02:28/ AgraShahjahan 05.1.1592/ 11:10/ Lahore (this was corrected later)Aurangzeb 3.11 1618/13.59/DelhiHope you'll find them useful. Humayun's chart is given, but BT is not there. RegardsNeelam2009/3/12 Vijay Goel <goyalvj Thankyou, Sreeram Srinivasji, I searched in 98 JOA issues, but i didn't find out, 97 issues is misplaced by me. I do also remember that these chart is discussed in JOA issues. //When analysing such hororscopes, important to note the LL, Moon & Sun placement in Fixed signs. So do the planets in Kendras to be Fixed / Movable / Dual ..etc. = for the variations betweenthem...../// This i have noted down, thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
