Guest guest Report post Posted March 7, 2009 Respected members, I have came to to few horoscope of empty Kendras. I have seen that these people have very hard workers and efficient, normally when (3,6,11) houses have many planets. They acquire and accumulate all material wealth from their great own efforts. They hold there hard earned wealth with there teeth till the old age. They are self built mens. Negatively they are emotionally loners sometimes very much egoist. In one case many planets are placed in 3rd house with kendre empty, gave him a divorce and second marriage. (disturbed marriage life). But has very good general practical knowledge and especially in share market analysis, which he has more interest. I think these people excel in their hobby subjects. Many planets place in 11th house, this persons left his parental business and after that he rose a lot and earned good amount of wealth. For the above observation there could be many more reasons to say, but what i want to stress on empty kendre and its implications. Sometime i think that Nakshatra dasa don't work in there chart, because these people are heavily determined, if chart is strong. Secondly from 36th year onwards they rise, before that they face many obstacles in their life. As Shri K n Rao illustrated the mandook dasa of planets in all kendres, is there any special dasa for empty kendre ? [] Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel, Thanks for your obsevation and your views. I feel that when majority of planet four or more are posited in trishadaya i.e. 3rd, 6th and 11th, the same results comes as your obsevation even though one or two may be posited in kendra or trine.They are self made and hard working and lead a medium life. Regards --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: > Vijay Goel <goyalvj > Empty Kendras > > Saturday, March 7, 2009, 11:24 PM > Respected members, > > I have came to to few horoscope of empty Kendras. > > I have seen that these people have very hard workers and > efficient, normally when (3,6,11) houses have many planets. > They acquire and accumulate all material wealth from their > great own efforts. They hold there hard earned wealth with > there teeth till the old age. > They are self built mens. > > Negatively they are emotionally loners sometimes very much > egoist. > > In one case many planets are placed in 3rd house with > kendre empty, gave him a divorce and second marriage. > (disturbed marriage life). > But has very good general practical knowledge and > especially in share market analysis, which he has more > interest. I think these people excel in their hobby > subjects. > > Many planets place in 11th house, this persons left his > parental business and after that he rose a lot and earned > good amount of wealth. > > For the above observation there could be many more reasons > to say, but what i want to stress on empty kendre and its > implications. > > Sometime i think that Nakshatra dasa don't work in > there chart, because these people are heavily determined, if > chart is strong. > > Secondly from 36th year onwards they rise, before that they > face many obstacles in their life. > > As Shri K n Rao illustrated the mandook dasa of planets in > all kendres, is there any special dasa for empty kendre ? > [] > > Thankyou, > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur. > > > > --- > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2009 Respected Kursijaji, Thankyou for the contribution. Does Upachaya house effects is more pronounced when kendre are empty ? Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > > Dear Vijay Goel, > Thanks for your obsevation and your views. I feel that when majority of planet four or more are posited in trishadaya i.e. 3rd, 6th and 11th, the same results comes as your obsevation even though one or two may be posited in kendra or trine.They are self made and hard working and lead a medium life. > Regards > > > --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: > > > Vijay Goel <goyalvj > > Empty Kendras > > > > Saturday, March 7, 2009, 11:24 PM > > Respected members, > > > > I have came to to few horoscope of empty Kendras. > > > > I have seen that these people have very hard workers and > > efficient, normally when (3,6,11) houses have many planets. > > They acquire and accumulate all material wealth from their > > great own efforts. They hold there hard earned wealth with > > there teeth till the old age. > > They are self built mens. > > > > Negatively they are emotionally loners sometimes very much > > egoist. > > > > In one case many planets are placed in 3rd house with > > kendre empty, gave him a divorce and second marriage. > > (disturbed marriage life). > > But has very good general practical knowledge and > > especially in share market analysis, which he has more > > interest. I think these people excel in their hobby > > subjects. > > > > Many planets place in 11th house, this persons left his > > parental business and after that he rose a lot and earned > > good amount of wealth. > > > > For the above observation there could be many more reasons > > to say, but what i want to stress on empty kendre and its > > implications. > > > > Sometime i think that Nakshatra dasa don't work in > > there chart, because these people are heavily determined, if > > chart is strong. > > > > Secondly from 36th year onwards they rise, before that they > > face many obstacles in their life. > > > > As Shri K n Rao illustrated the mandook dasa of planets in > > all kendres, is there any special dasa for empty kendre ? > > [] > > > > Thankyou, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 8, 2009 Dear Vijay ji and all,//For e g in water element exchange between moon and mars,Both get debilitated in each other's rashis!!//The result of this exchange also, as with other exchanges, will largely depend on the houses involved. I am giving here an example of a native with an exchange of debilitated moon-mars, all planets in upchay houses and empty kendras. 27.11.1962/1.55 hrs/DelhiWe can discuss this for results.RegardsNeelam2009/3/8 Vijay Goel <goyalvj Respected Kursijaji, Thankyou for the contribution. Does Upachaya house effects is more pronounced when kendre are empty ? Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > > Dear Vijay Goel, > Thanks for your obsevation and your views. I feel that when majority of planet four or more are posited in trishadaya i.e. 3rd, 6th and 11th, the same results comes as your obsevation even though one or two may be posited in kendra or trine.They are self made and hard working and lead a medium life. > Regards > > > --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: > > > Vijay Goel <goyalvj > > Empty Kendras > > > > Saturday, March 7, 2009, 11:24 PM > > Respected members, > > > > I have came to to few horoscope of empty Kendras. > > > > I have seen that these people have very hard workers and > > efficient, normally when (3,6,11) houses have many planets. > > They acquire and accumulate all material wealth from their > > great own efforts. They hold there hard earned wealth with > > there teeth till the old age. > > They are self built mens. > > > > Negatively they are emotionally loners sometimes very much > > egoist. > > > > In one case many planets are placed in 3rd house with > > kendre empty, gave him a divorce and second marriage. > > (disturbed marriage life). > > But has very good general practical knowledge and > > especially in share market analysis, which he has more > > interest. I think these people excel in their hobby > > subjects. > > > > Many planets place in 11th house, this persons left his > > parental business and after that he rose a lot and earned > > good amount of wealth. > > > > For the above observation there could be many more reasons > > to say, but what i want to stress on empty kendre and its > > implications. > > > > Sometime i think that Nakshatra dasa don't work in > > there chart, because these people are heavily determined, if > > chart is strong. > > > > Secondly from 36th year onwards they rise, before that they > > face many obstacles in their life. > > > > As Shri K n Rao illustrated the mandook dasa of planets in > > all kendres, is there any special dasa for empty kendre ? > > [] > > > > Thankyou, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2009 Respected Neelam Gupta, The chart is good. It has all the kendra empty. It has more than 30 benefic bindu only in lagna, 12th and 11th. Dasha running is Venus\Rahu\Jupiter. I shall like to know that what you like to analysed from the chart. If the financial status, it is lower that medium as 10th house is occupied by gulika and 10th lord is combust. Though 2nd lord Venus is posited in 2nd, it is retrograde, moving toward it sign of debilitation, Jupiters is posited in 6th house in Aquarius sign. 7th lord in 6th, aspecting 2nd and Mars is also aspecting 2nd, Mars is associated with Rahu. Saturn with Ketu is also aspecting 2nd He may be having bad habits such as alcoholics. Moon is also combust. All the yoga if any in the chart become useless as lagna lord and Moon both are weak. I feel that it will be better to clarify the or pin point the aspect of life you want to be get analised. Love and regards.--- On Sun, 3/8/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Empty Kendras Date: Sunday, March 8, 2009, 10:40 PM Dear Vijay ji and all,//For e g in water element exchange between moon and mars,Both get debilitated in each other's rashis!!//The result of this exchange also, as with other exchanges, will largely depend on the houses involved. I am giving here an example of a native with an exchange of debilitated moon-mars, all planets in upchay houses and empty kendras.27.11.1962/1.55 hrs/DelhiWe can discuss this for results.RegardsNeelam 2009/3/8 Vijay Goel <goyalvj Respected Kursijaji,Thankyou for the contribution.Does Upachaya house effects is more pronounced when kendre are empty ?Regards,Vijay GoelJaipur , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> > Dear Vijay Goel,> Thanks for your obsevation and your views. I feel that when majority of planet four or more are posited in trishadaya i.e. 3rd, 6th and 11th, the same results comes as your obsevation even though one or two may be posited in kendra or trine.They are self made and hard working and lead a medium life.> Regards> > > --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote:> > > Vijay Goel <goyalvj > > Empty Kendras> > > > Saturday, March 7, 2009, 11:24 PM> > Respected members,> > > > I have came to to few horoscope of empty Kendras.> > > > I have seen that these people have very hard workers and> > efficient, normally when (3,6,11) houses have many planets.> > They acquire and accumulate all material wealth from their> > great own efforts. They hold there hard earned wealth with> > there teeth till the old age.> > They are self built mens.> > > > Negatively they are emotionally loners sometimes very much> > egoist.> > > > In one case many planets are placed in 3rd house with> > kendre empty, gave him a divorce and second marriage.> > (disturbed marriage life).> > But has very good general practical knowledge and> > especially in share market analysis, which he has more> > interest. I think these people excel in their hobby> > subjects.> > > > Many planets place in 11th house, this persons left his> > parental business and after that he rose a lot and earned> > good amount of wealth.> > > > For the above observation there could be many more reasons> > to say, but what i want to stress on empty kendre and its> > implications.> > > > Sometime i think that Nakshatra dasa don't work in> > there chart, because these people are heavily determined, if> > chart is strong.> > > > Secondly from 36th year onwards they rise, before that they> > face many obstacles in their life.> > > > As Shri K n Rao illustrated the mandook dasa of planets in> > all kendres, is there any special dasa for empty kendre ?> > []> > > > Thankyou,> > Regards,> > Vijay Goel> > Jaipur.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ---> > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2009 Respected Kursija ji,Thank you for sharing your views.//I feel that it will be better to clarify the or pin point the aspect of life you want to be get analised.// I don't want to get any aspect analysed. I gave this as an example under our discussion on:Moon-mars exchange when both are debilitated and its implications for the trineEmpty Kendras and its implications in the chart Role of upchay sthans, if any when kendras are emptyI didn't give any clues as I thought Vijay ji and other members might like to make a judgment first. Otherwise we start 'fixing' astrology. We need to see what could have been the results of the above factors in native's life. //Dasha running is Venus\Rahu\Jupiter.//I guess Dahsa running is Sun-Ket. //Saturn with Ketu is also aspecting 2nd He may be having bad habits such as alcoholics.//This is not true. He has no bad habits.Let me say that the results of this exchange have been 'just as we would expect' as per the lordship, placement and karkatwas of the planets involved. RegardsNeelam' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2009 Dear Vijay goel, I have said Trishadaya, 3rd, 6th and 11th, not 10th which again is kendra. The upachaya bhava includes 10th also. The effect of 4 or more planets in 3rd or 6th, 8th,and 12th house have different effects. More over the combination of different planets have different effects. I have not come to read any classical book except Hora Ratanm, which has described the effect of 4 or more planets.The Hora Ratanm part II, written by Mishra Balabhadra,published by M/s Motilal Banarsi dass,Delhi,has given the effect of combination of 4 or more planets. The effect depends on the combination of planets and the house involved. Suppose we take the lagna, the combination of Sun, Moon, Mars and Mercury gives diseases, not humble, involve in bad deeds, thankless, and always suffers from the pains of body. The effect of combination of Sun, Moon, Mars, Saturn or Rah gives more drastic bad effects and so on. It is for we people to go deep into the ocean of astrology to pick up pearls.The classic will not help. Love and regards. --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: > Vijay Goel <goyalvj > Re: Empty Kendras > > Sunday, March 8, 2009, 9:17 PM > Respected Kursijaji, > > Thankyou for the contribution. > > Does Upachaya house effects is more pronounced when kendre > are empty ? > > Regards, > Vijay Goel > Jaipur > > > , " S.C. > Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel, > > Thanks for your obsevation and your views. I feel that > when majority of planet four or more are posited in > trishadaya i.e. 3rd, 6th and 11th, the same results comes as > your obsevation even though one or two may be posited in > kendra or trine.They are self made and hard working and lead > a medium life. > > Regards > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj > wrote: > > > > > Vijay Goel <goyalvj > > > Empty Kendras > > > > > > Saturday, March 7, 2009, 11:24 PM > > > Respected members, > > > > > > I have came to to few horoscope of empty Kendras. > > > > > > I have seen that these people have very hard > workers and > > > efficient, normally when (3,6,11) houses have > many planets. > > > They acquire and accumulate all material wealth > from their > > > great own efforts. They hold there hard earned > wealth with > > > there teeth till the old age. > > > They are self built mens. > > > > > > Negatively they are emotionally loners sometimes > very much > > > egoist. > > > > > > In one case many planets are placed in 3rd house > with > > > kendre empty, gave him a divorce and second > marriage. > > > (disturbed marriage life). > > > But has very good general practical knowledge and > > > especially in share market analysis, which he has > more > > > interest. I think these people excel in their > hobby > > > subjects. > > > > > > Many planets place in 11th house, this persons > left his > > > parental business and after that he rose a lot > and earned > > > good amount of wealth. > > > > > > For the above observation there could be many > more reasons > > > to say, but what i want to stress on empty kendre > and its > > > implications. > > > > > > Sometime i think that Nakshatra dasa don't > work in > > > there chart, because these people are heavily > determined, if > > > chart is strong. > > > > > > Secondly from 36th year onwards they rise, before > that they > > > face many obstacles in their life. > > > > > > As Shri K n Rao illustrated the mandook dasa of > planets in > > > all kendres, is there any special dasa for empty > kendre ? > > > [] > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > Regards, > > > Vijay Goel > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2009 Respected Kursijaji, Yeah Trishadaya house will become upachaya only when 10th house is added. Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur , " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija wrote: > > > Dear Vijay goel, > I have said Trishadaya, 3rd, 6th and 11th, not 10th which again is kendra. The upachaya bhava includes 10th also. The effect of 4 or more planets in 3rd or 6th, 8th,and 12th house have different effects. More over the combination of different planets have different effects. I have not come to read any classical book except Hora Ratanm, which has described the effect of 4 or more planets.The Hora Ratanm part II, written by Mishra Balabhadra,published by M/s Motilal Banarsi dass,Delhi,has given the effect of combination of 4 or more planets. The effect depends on the combination of planets and the house involved. Suppose we take the lagna, the combination of Sun, Moon, Mars and Mercury gives diseases, not humble, involve in bad deeds, thankless, and always suffers from the pains of body. > The effect of combination of Sun, Moon, Mars, Saturn or Rah gives more drastic bad effects and so on. > It is for we people to go deep into the ocean of astrology to pick up pearls.The classic will not help. > Love and regards. > > > --- On Sun, 3/8/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote: > > > Vijay Goel <goyalvj > > Re: Empty Kendras > > > > Sunday, March 8, 2009, 9:17 PM > > Respected Kursijaji, > > > > Thankyou for the contribution. > > > > Does Upachaya house effects is more pronounced when kendre > > are empty ? > > > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur > > > > > > , " S.C. > > Kursija " <sckursija@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel, > > > Thanks for your obsevation and your views. I feel that > > when majority of planet four or more are posited in > > trishadaya i.e. 3rd, 6th and 11th, the same results comes as > > your obsevation even though one or two may be posited in > > kendra or trine.They are self made and hard working and lead > > a medium life. > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > Vijay Goel <goyalvj@> > > > > Empty Kendras > > > > > > > > Saturday, March 7, 2009, 11:24 PM > > > > Respected members, > > > > > > > > I have came to to few horoscope of empty Kendras. > > > > > > > > I have seen that these people have very hard > > workers and > > > > efficient, normally when (3,6,11) houses have > > many planets. > > > > They acquire and accumulate all material wealth > > from their > > > > great own efforts. They hold there hard earned > > wealth with > > > > there teeth till the old age. > > > > They are self built mens. > > > > > > > > Negatively they are emotionally loners sometimes > > very much > > > > egoist. > > > > > > > > In one case many planets are placed in 3rd house > > with > > > > kendre empty, gave him a divorce and second > > marriage. > > > > (disturbed marriage life). > > > > But has very good general practical knowledge and > > > > especially in share market analysis, which he has > > more > > > > interest. I think these people excel in their > > hobby > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > Many planets place in 11th house, this persons > > left his > > > > parental business and after that he rose a lot > > and earned > > > > good amount of wealth. > > > > > > > > For the above observation there could be many > > more reasons > > > > to say, but what i want to stress on empty kendre > > and its > > > > implications. > > > > > > > > Sometime i think that Nakshatra dasa don't > > work in > > > > there chart, because these people are heavily > > determined, if > > > > chart is strong. > > > > > > > > Secondly from 36th year onwards they rise, before > > that they > > > > face many obstacles in their life. > > > > > > > > As Shri K n Rao illustrated the mandook dasa of > > planets in > > > > all kendres, is there any special dasa for empty > > kendre ? > > > > [] > > > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > > Regards, > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2009 Respected Neelamji, Thankyou for the example you have presented. In the given horoscope : Just Concentrating on trines and empty kendra. Here debilitation is good as moon and mars is lord of trishadaya houses placed in trishadaya house. It will make the person never die attitude at handling different situations. Kendra are empty so it is more pronounced as he will know that he has to fight alone. Since both moon and mars are closely associated with other planets so this VRY could come in the positive ways in the antar dasa of associated planets. Now main thing is that in jal tattwa rashi in kaama trikone these planets are with rahu, sun , mercury . This also mean that person will be too desirous and materialistic and go to any extent to fulfill his desire. Now does this exchange made the person to control his desires to the limit according to his family norms ? Does this exchange protected his siblings ? * * * * Considering other factors like saturn, jupiter and sun is debilitated in navamsha. What they will give ??? He could be good at 'recovery officer' like in banks (jupiter aspecting venus only rajyoga) Very diligent (sa+ ketu in 5th) and knowledgeable (su+mo+mer in 3rd)and forceful (ma+ra in 11th). * * * * One more chart i have just received which is very similar to above one , just tilted upside down [] August 23, 1985 Time: 19:57:00 Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) Place: 88 E 22' 00 " , 22 N 34' 00 " Calcutta, India An aspiring astrologer in this forum. Here kendra are also empty and moon and mars exchange in 5th, 9th houses. * * * * The above both horoscope are really very complex with lots of VRY. Respected Neelamji, this is my limited view to your example, kindly shed more light. Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Vijay ji and all, > > //For e g in water element exchange between moon and mars, > Both get debilitated in each other's rashis!!// > > The result of this exchange also, as with other exchanges, will largely > depend on the houses involved. I am giving here an example of a native with > an exchange of debilitated moon-mars, all planets in upchay houses and empty > kendras. > > 27.11.1962/1.55 hrs/Delhi > We can discuss this for results. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > 2009/3/8 Vijay Goel <goyalvj > > > Respected Kursijaji, > > > > Thankyou for the contribution. > > > > Does Upachaya house effects is more pronounced when kendre are empty ? > > > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur > > > > > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > > " S.C. Kursija " <sckursija@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel, > > > Thanks for your obsevation and your views. I feel that when majority of > > planet four or more are posited in trishadaya i.e. 3rd, 6th and 11th, the > > same results comes as your obsevation even though one or two may be posited > > in kendra or trine.They are self made and hard working and lead a medium > > life. > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 3/7/09, Vijay Goel <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > > > > Vijay Goel <goyalvj@> > > > > > > Empty Kendras > > > > To: <%40.\ com> > > > > Saturday, March 7, 2009, 11:24 PM > > > > Respected members, > > > > > > > > I have came to to few horoscope of empty Kendras. > > > > > > > > I have seen that these people have very hard workers and > > > > efficient, normally when (3,6,11) houses have many planets. > > > > They acquire and accumulate all material wealth from their > > > > great own efforts. They hold there hard earned wealth with > > > > there teeth till the old age. > > > > They are self built mens. > > > > > > > > Negatively they are emotionally loners sometimes very much > > > > egoist. > > > > > > > > In one case many planets are placed in 3rd house with > > > > kendre empty, gave him a divorce and second marriage. > > > > (disturbed marriage life). > > > > But has very good general practical knowledge and > > > > especially in share market analysis, which he has more > > > > interest. I think these people excel in their hobby > > > > subjects. > > > > > > > > Many planets place in 11th house, this persons left his > > > > parental business and after that he rose a lot and earned > > > > good amount of wealth. > > > > > > > > For the above observation there could be many more reasons > > > > to say, but what i want to stress on empty kendre and its > > > > implications. > > > > > > > > Sometime i think that Nakshatra dasa don't work in > > > > there chart, because these people are heavily determined, if > > > > chart is strong. > > > > > > > > Secondly from 36th year onwards they rise, before that they > > > > face many obstacles in their life. > > > > > > > > As Shri K n Rao illustrated the mandook dasa of planets in > > > > all kendres, is there any special dasa for empty kendre ? > > > > [] > > > > > > > > Thankyou, > > > > Regards, > > > > Vijay Goel > > > > Jaipur. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, Thanks for the good mail. You can also include me among the individuals with Empty Kendras. Please note the following points - * Planets in Kendra (1-4-7-10) will give there results (good or bad) early in life. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Kendra for people born in well to do families OR people excel very early in life. Even before the age of 15 usually they start giving their results] * Planets in Panapara (money related; 2-5-8-11) will give there results (good or bad) usually during youth period. i.e. around 15-30 years. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Panapara for people for whom luck with moderate effort gave excellent results. ] * Planets in Apoklima (3-6-9-12) will give there results (good or bad) usually late in life - if in youth then late usually after .32-36 years or so. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Apoklima for people for whom great effort gave positive results. ] Even when the planets indicate beneficial results for people with planets in Kendra minimum effort would be enough, for those with planets in Panapara moderate effort is required, and for those with planets in Apoklima hard efforts are required. But this goes the other way round with planets indicating malefic results. When the planets indicate malefic results for people with planets in Kendra only hard efforts can save them from those troubles, for those with planets in Panapara moderate effort would be enough to save them from troubles, and for those with planets in Apoklima minimum effort would be enough. Thus it seems that things gets balanced, whether the planets are in Kendra or Apoklima! Kendra placement is good for early sucess if results indicated are beneficial; and very bad if results indicatd are maleficial. Apoklima placement is good if results indicated are maleficial (since they will come only late in life and can be resisted or modified with minimum effort); but bad if the results indicated are beneficial (since those beneficial results will come only late in life and that too after very long and hard efforts). * It is interesting to note that even if beneficial result giving planets are in 9th (place of luck), those results will materialize only late in life (since 9th is apoklima), and not early! * It is interesting to note that 3rd (determination) and 6th (will to destroy and win) give the results only late in life only and that too after a lot of troubles, hurdeles and hardships. [The point that 3th and 6th are Upachaya can be a positive factor here if the final results indicated are positive] * It is interesting to note that a simple malefic result giving planet in 1-4-7-8 can produce more harm to the childhood happiness and growth of the individual than a whole lot of malefic result giving planets in 6th or 12th. Or may be the criminals with too much malefics in 6th or 12th does not have enough capability to distinguish between happiness and sadness, or harm and good - who knows! When tough life becomes a habit, for teem there does not remains anything to be called tough in it.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Vijay Goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Respected members,> > I have came to to few horoscope of empty Kendras.> > I have seen that these people have very hard workers and efficient, normally when (3,6,11) houses have many planets. They acquire and accumulate all material wealth from their great own efforts. They hold there hard earned wealth with there teeth till the old age.> They are self built mens.> > Negatively they are emotionally loners sometimes very much egoist.> > In one case many planets are placed in 3rd house with kendre empty, gave him a divorce and second marriage. (disturbed marriage life).> But has very good general practical knowledge and especially in share market analysis, which he has more interest. I think these people excel in their hobby subjects.> > Many planets place in 11th house, this persons left his parental business and after that he rose a lot and earned good amount of wealth.> > For the above observation there could be many more reasons to say, but what i want to stress on empty kendre and its implications.> > Sometime i think that Nakshatra dasa don't work in there chart, because these people are heavily determined, if chart is strong.> > Secondly from 36th year onwards they rise, before that they face many obstacles in their life.> > As Shri K n Rao illustrated the mandook dasa of planets in all kendres, is there any special dasa for empty kendre ? []> > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2009 Respected Sreenadhji, Thankyou for such brilliant explanation. I was expecting from you. BTW, You must have very good and strong third house. (sun + mercury + more ...planets). Writing skills are excellent. Empty kendra also means more independency, more freewill !! []ha ha . *** If Trishadaya is strong and malefic in kendre, person could lead miserable life. For his independent nature, he must be tourcher a lot by his near ones. Just a thought. *** Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > Thanks for the good mail. You can also include me among the > individuals with Empty Kendras. Please note the following points - > * Planets in Kendra (1-4-7-10) will give there results (good or bad) > early in life. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Kendra > for people born in well to do families OR people excel very early in > life. Even before the age of 15 usually they start giving their results] > * Planets in Panapara (money related; 2-5-8-11) will give there > results (good or bad) usually during youth period. i.e. around 15-30 > years. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Panapara for > people for whom luck with moderate effort gave excellent results. ] > * Planets in Apoklima (3-6-9-12) will give there results (good or bad) > usually late in life - if in youth then late usually after .32-36 years > or so. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Apoklima for > people for whom great effort gave positive results. ] > Even when the planets indicate beneficial results for people with > planets in Kendra minimum effort would be enough, for those with planets > in Panapara moderate effort is required, and for those with planets in > Apoklima hard efforts are required. > But this goes the other way round with planets indicating malefic > results. When the planets indicate malefic results for people with > planets in Kendra only hard efforts can save them from those troubles, > for those with planets in Panapara moderate effort would be enough to > save them from troubles, and for those with planets in Apoklima minimum > effort would be enough. > Thus it seems that things gets balanced, whether the planets are in > Kendra or Apoklima! > > Kendra placement is good for early sucess if results indicated are > beneficial; and very bad if results indicatd are maleficial. Apoklima > placement is good if results indicated are maleficial (since they will > come only late in life and can be resisted or modified with minimum > effort); but bad if the results indicated are beneficial (since those > beneficial results will come only late in life and that too after very > long and hard efforts). > > * It is interesting to note that even if beneficial result giving > planets are in 9th (place of luck), those results will materialize only > late in life (since 9th is apoklima), and not early! > * It is interesting to note that 3rd (determination) and 6th (will to > destroy and win) give the results only late in life only and that too > after a lot of troubles, hurdeles and hardships. [The point that 3th and > 6th are Upachaya can be a positive factor here if the final results > indicated are positive] > * It is interesting to note that a simple malefic result giving > planet in 1-4-7-8 can produce more harm to the childhood happiness and > growth of the individual than a whole lot of malefic result giving > planets in 6th or 12th. Or may be the criminals with too much malefics > in 6th or 12th does not have enough capability to distinguish between > happiness and sadness, or harm and good - who knows! When tough life > becomes a habit, for teem there does not remains anything to be called > tough in it. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " Vijay Goel " > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > Respected members, > > > > I have came to to few horoscope of empty Kendras. > > > > I have seen that these people have very hard workers and efficient, > normally when (3,6,11) houses have many planets. They acquire and > accumulate all material wealth from their great own efforts. They hold > there hard earned wealth with there teeth till the old age. > > They are self built mens. > > > > Negatively they are emotionally loners sometimes very much egoist. > > > > In one case many planets are placed in 3rd house with kendre empty, > gave him a divorce and second marriage. (disturbed marriage life). > > But has very good general practical knowledge and especially in share > market analysis, which he has more interest. I think these people excel > in their hobby subjects. > > > > Many planets place in 11th house, this persons left his parental > business and after that he rose a lot and earned good amount of wealth. > > > > For the above observation there could be many more reasons to say, but > what i want to stress on empty kendre and its implications. > > > > Sometime i think that Nakshatra dasa don't work in there chart, > because these people are heavily determined, if chart is strong. > > > > Secondly from 36th year onwards they rise, before that they face many > obstacles in their life. > > > > As Shri K n Rao illustrated the mandook dasa of planets in all > kendres, is there any special dasa for empty kendre ? [] > > > > Thankyou, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2009 Dear Sreenadh-ji, It is an EXCELLENT Learning for me. I never knew about these things. Many many thanks regards Chakraborty Sreenadh [sreesog]Monday, March 09, 2009 5:00 PM Subject: Re: Empty Kendras Dear Vijay Goel ji, Thanks for the good mail. You can also include me among the individuals with Empty Kendras. Please note the following points - * Planets in Kendra (1-4-7-10) will give there results (good or bad) early in life. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Kendra for people born in well to do families OR people excel very early in life. Even before the age of 15 usually they start giving their results] * Planets in Panapara (money related; 2-5-8-11) will give there results (good or bad) usually during youth period. i.e. around 15-30 years. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Panapara for people for whom luck with moderate effort gave excellent results. ] * Planets in Apoklima (3-6-9-12) will give there results (good or bad) usually late in life - if in youth then late usually after .32-36 years or so. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Apoklima for people for whom great effort gave positive results. ] Even when the planets indicate beneficial results for people with planets in Kendra minimum effort would be enough, for those with planets in Panapara moderate effort is required, and for those with planets in Apoklima hard efforts are required. But this goes the other way round with planets indicating malefic results. When the planets indicate malefic results for people with planets in Kendra only hard efforts can save them from those troubles, for those with planets in Panapara moderate effort would be enough to save them from troubles, and for those with planets in Apoklima minimum effort would be enough. Thus it seems that things gets balanced, whether the planets are in Kendra or Apoklima! Kendra placement is good for early sucess if results indicated are beneficial; and very bad if results indicatd are maleficial. Apoklima placement is good if results indicated are maleficial (since they will come only late in life and can be resisted or modified with minimum effort); but bad if the results indicated are beneficial (since those beneficial results will come only late in life and that too after very long and hard efforts). * It is interesting to note that even if beneficial result giving planets are in 9th (place of luck), those results will materialize only late in life (since 9th is apoklima), and not early! * It is interesting to note that 3rd (determination) and 6th (will to destroy and win) give the results only late in life only and that too after a lot of troubles, hurdeles and hardships. [The point that 3th and 6th are Upachaya can be a positive factor here if the final results indicated are positive] * It is interesting to note that a simple malefic result giving planet in 1-4-7-8 can produce more harm to the childhood happiness and growth of the individual than a whole lot of malefic result giving planets in 6th or 12th. Or may be the criminals with too much malefics in 6th or 12th does not have enough capability to distinguish between happiness and sadness, or harm and good - who knows! When tough life becomes a habit, for teem there does not remains anything to be called tough in it.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Vijay Goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Respected members,> > I have came to to few horoscope of empty Kendras.> > I have seen that these people have very hard workers and efficient, normally when (3,6,11) houses have many planets. They acquire and accumulate all material wealth from their great own efforts. They hold there hard earned wealth with there teeth till the old age.> They are self built mens.> > Negatively they are emotionally loners sometimes very much egoist.> > In one case many planets are placed in 3rd house with kendre empty, gave him a divorce and second marriage. (disturbed marriage life).> But has very good general practical knowledge and especially in share market analysis, which he has more interest. I think these people excel in their hobby subjects.> > Many planets place in 11th house, this persons left his parental business and after that he rose a lot and earned good amount of wealth.> > For the above observation there could be many more reasons to say, but what i want to stress on empty kendre and its implications.> > Sometime i think that Nakshatra dasa don't work in there chart, because these people are heavily determined, if chart is strong.> > Secondly from 36th year onwards they rise, before that they face many obstacles in their life.> > As Shri K n Rao illustrated the mandook dasa of planets in all kendres, is there any special dasa for empty kendre ? []> > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. 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Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2009 Respected Sreenadhji, \\ But this goes the other way round with planets indicating malefic results. When the planets indicate malefic results for people with planets in Kendra only hard efforts can save them from those troubles, for those with planets in Panapara moderate effort would be enough to save them from troubles, and for those with planets in Apoklima minimum effort would be enough. Thus it seems that things gets balanced, whether the planets are in Kendra or Apoklima! \\ This is very important factor which i will observe while analysiing the charts. Thankyou, Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > Thanks for the good mail. You can also include me among the > individuals with Empty Kendras. Please note the following points - > * Planets in Kendra (1-4-7-10) will give there results (good or bad) > early in life. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Kendra > for people born in well to do families OR people excel very early in > life. Even before the age of 15 usually they start giving their results] > * Planets in Panapara (money related; 2-5-8-11) will give there > results (good or bad) usually during youth period. i.e. around 15-30 > years. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Panapara for > people for whom luck with moderate effort gave excellent results. ] > * Planets in Apoklima (3-6-9-12) will give there results (good or bad) > usually late in life - if in youth then late usually after .32-36 years > or so. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Apoklima for > people for whom great effort gave positive results. ] > Even when the planets indicate beneficial results for people with > planets in Kendra minimum effort would be enough, for those with planets > in Panapara moderate effort is required, and for those with planets in > Apoklima hard efforts are required. > But this goes the other way round with planets indicating malefic > results. When the planets indicate malefic results for people with > planets in Kendra only hard efforts can save them from those troubles, > for those with planets in Panapara moderate effort would be enough to > save them from troubles, and for those with planets in Apoklima minimum > effort would be enough. > Thus it seems that things gets balanced, whether the planets are in > Kendra or Apoklima! > > Kendra placement is good for early sucess if results indicated are > beneficial; and very bad if results indicatd are maleficial. Apoklima > placement is good if results indicated are maleficial (since they will > come only late in life and can be resisted or modified with minimum > effort); but bad if the results indicated are beneficial (since those > beneficial results will come only late in life and that too after very > long and hard efforts). > > * It is interesting to note that even if beneficial result giving > planets are in 9th (place of luck), those results will materialize only > late in life (since 9th is apoklima), and not early! > * It is interesting to note that 3rd (determination) and 6th (will to > destroy and win) give the results only late in life only and that too > after a lot of troubles, hurdeles and hardships. [The point that 3th and > 6th are Upachaya can be a positive factor here if the final results > indicated are positive] > * It is interesting to note that a simple malefic result giving > planet in 1-4-7-8 can produce more harm to the childhood happiness and > growth of the individual than a whole lot of malefic result giving > planets in 6th or 12th. Or may be the criminals with too much malefics > in 6th or 12th does not have enough capability to distinguish between > happiness and sadness, or harm and good - who knows! When tough life > becomes a habit, for teem there does not remains anything to be called > tough in it. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " Vijay Goel " > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > Respected members, > > > > I have came to to few horoscope of empty Kendras. > > > > I have seen that these people have very hard workers and efficient, > normally when (3,6,11) houses have many planets. They acquire and > accumulate all material wealth from their great own efforts. They hold > there hard earned wealth with there teeth till the old age. > > They are self built mens. > > > > Negatively they are emotionally loners sometimes very much egoist. > > > > In one case many planets are placed in 3rd house with kendre empty, > gave him a divorce and second marriage. (disturbed marriage life). > > But has very good general practical knowledge and especially in share > market analysis, which he has more interest. I think these people excel > in their hobby subjects. > > > > Many planets place in 11th house, this persons left his parental > business and after that he rose a lot and earned good amount of wealth. > > > > For the above observation there could be many more reasons to say, but > what i want to stress on empty kendre and its implications. > > > > Sometime i think that Nakshatra dasa don't work in there chart, > because these people are heavily determined, if chart is strong. > > > > Secondly from 36th year onwards they rise, before that they face many > obstacles in their life. > > > > As Shri K n Rao illustrated the mandook dasa of planets in all > kendres, is there any special dasa for empty kendre ? [] > > > > Thankyou, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur. > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2009 Dear Vijay Goel ji, Well Said. By the way I don't have any malefic in Kenda. The planets in my chart are - 1) A very strong 3rd house with 4 planets (Su+Me+Ju+Ve) in it. [Results of own efforts will come generally after 36 years, as you said. Right.] All these planets in Apoklima. 2) One malefic (Mars) in 6th house. Again an Apoklima hosue. [Results will come late in life] 3) Satun in 9th house. Again an Apoklima house. [Results will come late in life] 4) Moon in 2nd, Ra in 5th, Ke in 11th - All Panapara houses. Thus in short, I am an Apoklima lucky with the possibility to resist malefic results with minimum efforts and deriving good results with hard efforts. Also no malefics in kendra makes me a happy individual in any situation - enjoying life. :)Note: By the way, I am Virgo Lagna born.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Vijay Goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Respected Sreenadhji,> > Thankyou for such brilliant explanation. I was expecting from you.> > BTW, You must have very good and strong third house. (sun + mercury + more ..planets). Writing skills are excellent.> > Empty kendra also means more independency, more freewill !! []ha ha .> ***> If Trishadaya is strong and malefic in kendre, person could lead miserable life. For his independent nature, he must be tourcher a lot by his near ones. Just a thought.> ***> > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur> > , "Sreenadh" sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Vijay Goel ji,> > Thanks for the good mail. You can also include me among the> > individuals with Empty Kendras. Please note the following points -> > * Planets in Kendra (1-4-7-10) will give there results (good or bad)> > early in life. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Kendra> > for people born in well to do families OR people excel very early in> > life. Even before the age of 15 usually they start giving their results]> > * Planets in Panapara (money related; 2-5-8-11) will give there> > results (good or bad) usually during youth period. i.e. around 15-30> > years. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Panapara for> > people for whom luck with moderate effort gave excellent results. ]> > * Planets in Apoklima (3-6-9-12) will give there results (good or bad)> > usually late in life - if in youth then late usually after .32-36 years> > or so. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Apoklima for> > people for whom great effort gave positive results. ]> > Even when the planets indicate beneficial results for people with> > planets in Kendra minimum effort would be enough, for those with planets> > in Panapara moderate effort is required, and for those with planets in> > Apoklima hard efforts are required.> > But this goes the other way round with planets indicating malefic> > results. When the planets indicate malefic results for people with > > planets in Kendra only hard efforts can save them from those troubles,> > for those with planets in Panapara moderate effort would be enough to> > save them from troubles, and for those with planets in Apoklima minimum> > effort would be enough.> > Thus it seems that things gets balanced, whether the planets are in> > Kendra or Apoklima!> > > > Kendra placement is good for early sucess if results indicated are> > beneficial; and very bad if results indicatd are maleficial. Apoklima> > placement is good if results indicated are maleficial (since they will> > come only late in life and can be resisted or modified with minimum> > effort); but bad if the results indicated are beneficial (since those> > beneficial results will come only late in life and that too after very> > long and hard efforts).> > > > * It is interesting to note that even if beneficial result giving> > planets are in 9th (place of luck), those results will materialize only> > late in life (since 9th is apoklima), and not early!> > * It is interesting to note that 3rd (determination) and 6th (will to> > destroy and win) give the results only late in life only and that too> > after a lot of troubles, hurdeles and hardships. [The point that 3th and> > 6th are Upachaya can be a positive factor here if the final results> > indicated are positive]> > * It is interesting to note that a simple malefic result giving> > planet in 1-4-7-8 can produce more harm to the childhood happiness and> > growth of the individual than a whole lot of malefic result giving> > planets in 6th or 12th. Or may be the criminals with too much malefics> > in 6th or 12th does not have enough capability to distinguish between> > happiness and sadness, or harm and good - who knows! When tough life> > becomes a habit, for teem there does not remains anything to be called> > tough in it.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2009 Respected Sh.Sreenath, Very nice post. It has added to my knowledge. I did not know the same. Thanks and regards--- On Mon, 3/9/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog Re: Empty Kendras Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 4:59 PM Dear Vijay Goel ji, Thanks for the good mail. You can also include me among the individuals with Empty Kendras. Please note the following points - * Planets in Kendra (1-4-7-10) will give there results (good or bad) early in life. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Kendra for people born in well to do families OR people excel very early in life. Even before the age of 15 usually they start giving their results] * Planets in Panapara (money related; 2-5-8-11) will give there results (good or bad) usually during youth period. i.e. around 15-30 years. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Panapara for people for whom luck with moderate effort gave excellent results. ] * Planets in Apoklima (3-6-9-12) will give there results (good or bad) usually late in life - if in youth then late usually after .32-36 years or so. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Apoklima for people for whom great effort gave positive results. ] Even when the planets indicate beneficial results for people with planets in Kendra minimum effort would be enough, for those with planets in Panapara moderate effort is required, and for those with planets in Apoklima hard efforts are required. But this goes the other way round with planets indicating malefic results. When the planets indicate malefic results for people with planets in Kendra only hard efforts can save them from those troubles, for those with planets in Panapara moderate effort would be enough to save them from troubles, and for those with planets in Apoklima minimum effort would be enough. Thus it seems that things gets balanced, whether the planets are in Kendra or Apoklima! Kendra placement is good for early sucess if results indicated are beneficial; and very bad if results indicatd are maleficial. Apoklima placement is good if results indicated are maleficial (since they will come only late in life and can be resisted or modified with minimum effort); but bad if the results indicated are beneficial (since those beneficial results will come only late in life and that too after very long and hard efforts). * It is interesting to note that even if beneficial result giving planets are in 9th (place of luck), those results will materialize only late in life (since 9th is apoklima), and not early! * It is interesting to note that 3rd (determination) and 6th (will to destroy and win) give the results only late in life only and that too after a lot of troubles, hurdeles and hardships. [The point that 3th and 6th are Upachaya can be a positive factor here if the final results indicated are positive] * It is interesting to note that a simple malefic result giving planet in 1-4-7-8 can produce more harm to the childhood happiness and growth of the individual than a whole lot of malefic result giving planets in 6th or 12th. Or may be the criminals with too much malefics in 6th or 12th does not have enough capability to distinguish between happiness and sadness, or harm and good - who knows! When tough life becomes a habit, for teem there does not remains anything to be called tough in it.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Vijay Goel" <goyalvj wrote:>> Respected members,> > I have came to to few horoscope of empty Kendras.> > I have seen that these people have very hard workers and efficient, normally when (3,6,11) houses have many planets. They acquire and accumulate all material wealth from their great own efforts. They hold there hard earned wealth with there teeth till the old age.> They are self built mens.> > Negatively they are emotionally loners sometimes very much egoist.> > In one case many planets are placed in 3rd house with kendre empty, gave him a divorce and second marriage. (disturbed marriage life).> But has very good general practical knowledge and especially in share market analysis, which he has more interest. I think these people excel in their hobby subjects.> > Many planets place in 11th house, this persons left his parental business and after that he rose a lot and earned good amount of wealth.> > For the above observation there could be many more reasons to say, but what i want to stress on empty kendre and its implications.> > Sometime i think that Nakshatra dasa don't work in there chart, because these people are heavily determined, if chart is strong.> > Secondly from 36th year onwards they rise, before that they face many obstacles in their life.> > As Shri K n Rao illustrated the mandook dasa of planets in all kendres, is there any special dasa for empty kendre ? []> > Thankyou,> Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2009 Dear Neelam Gupta, I welcome your views. If we touch the dasha period point, it will again become a point of discussion, because some accepts 365.25 cycle. I accept 360 degree cycle of the vimshottari dasha as the circle, brahmand is of 360 degee and number of year allotted to each planet in vimshottarei dasha iare according to 360. I use 360 as it give me accurate timing. Love and regards --- On Mon, 3/9/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Re: Re: Empty Kendras Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:31 PM Respected Kursija ji, Thank you for sharing your views. //I feel that it will be better to clarify the or pin point the aspect of life you want to be get analised.// I don't want to get any aspect analysed. I gave this as an example under our discussion on: Moon-mars exchange when both are debilitated and its implications for the trine Empty Kendras and its implications in the chart Role of upchay sthans, if any when kendras are emptyI didn't give any clues as I thought Vijay ji and other members might like to make a judgment first. Otherwise we start 'fixing' astrology. We need to see what could have been the results of the above factors in native's life. //Dasha running is Venus\Rahu\Jupiter.// I guess Dahsa running is Sun-Ket. //Saturn with Ketu is also aspecting 2nd He may be having bad habits such as alcoholics.// This is not true. He has no bad habits. Let me say that the results of this exchange have been 'just as we would expect' as per the lordship, placement and karkatwas of the planets involved. Regards Neelam' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 9, 2009 Respected Sreenadhji, Thankyou for the feedback, though this concept was taught to me earlier, you have re-confirmed and strengthened it. Regards, Vijay Goel Jaipur. Note : I have learn many new thing from this forum, many teaching which was forgeten or weaken in memory got revived. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > Well Said. > By the way I don't have any malefic in Kenda. The planets in my > chart are - > 1) A very strong 3rd house with 4 planets (Su+Me+Ju+Ve) in it. > [Results of own efforts will come generally after 36 years, as you said. > Right.] All these planets in Apoklima. > 2) One malefic (Mars) in 6th house. Again an Apoklima hosue. [Results > will come late in life] > 3) Satun in 9th house. Again an Apoklima house. [Results will come > late in life] > 4) Moon in 2nd, Ra in 5th, Ke in 11th - All Panapara houses. > > Thus in short, I am an Apoklima lucky with the possibility to resist > malefic results with minimum efforts and deriving good results with hard > efforts. Also no malefics in kendra makes me a happy individual in > any situation - enjoying life. > Note: By the way, I am Virgo Lagna born. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " Vijay Goel " > <goyalvj@> wrote: > > > > Respected Sreenadhji, > > > > Thankyou for such brilliant explanation. I was expecting from you. > > > > BTW, You must have very good and strong third house. (sun + mercury + > more ..planets). Writing skills are excellent. > > > > Empty kendra also means more independency, more freewill !! []ha ha > . > > *** > > If Trishadaya is strong and malefic in kendre, person could lead > miserable life. For his independent nature, he must be tourcher a lot by > his near ones. Just a thought. > > *** > > > > Thankyou, > > Regards, > > Vijay Goel > > Jaipur > > > > , " Sreenadh " sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vijay Goel ji, > > > Thanks for the good mail. You can also include me among the > > > individuals with Empty Kendras. Please note the following points > - > > > * Planets in Kendra (1-4-7-10) will give there results (good or > bad) > > > early in life. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in > Kendra > > > for people born in well to do families OR people excel very early in > > > life. Even before the age of 15 usually they start giving their > results] > > > * Planets in Panapara (money related; 2-5-8-11) will give there > > > results (good or bad) usually during youth period. i.e. around 15-30 > > > years. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Panapara > for > > > people for whom luck with moderate effort gave excellent results. ] > > > * Planets in Apoklima (3-6-9-12) will give there results (good or > bad) > > > usually late in life - if in youth then late usually after .32-36 > years > > > or so. [You may find beneficial result giving planets in Apoklima > for > > > people for whom great effort gave positive results. ] > > > Even when the planets indicate beneficial results for people > with > > > planets in Kendra minimum effort would be enough, for those with > planets > > > in Panapara moderate effort is required, and for those with planets > in > > > Apoklima hard efforts are required. > > > But this goes the other way round with planets indicating > malefic > > > results. When the planets indicate malefic results for people with > > > planets in Kendra only hard efforts can save them from those > troubles, > > > for those with planets in Panapara moderate effort would be enough > to > > > save them from troubles, and for those with planets in Apoklima > minimum > > > effort would be enough. > > > Thus it seems that things gets balanced, whether the planets are > in > > > Kendra or Apoklima! > > > > > > Kendra placement is good for early sucess if results indicated > are > > > beneficial; and very bad if results indicatd are maleficial. > Apoklima > > > placement is good if results indicated are maleficial (since they > will > > > come only late in life and can be resisted or modified with minimum > > > effort); but bad if the results indicated are beneficial (since > those > > > beneficial results will come only late in life and that too after > very > > > long and hard efforts). > > > > > > * It is interesting to note that even if beneficial result giving > > > planets are in 9th (place of luck), those results will materialize > only > > > late in life (since 9th is apoklima), and not early! > > > * It is interesting to note that 3rd (determination) and 6th > (will to > > > destroy and win) give the results only late in life only and that > too > > > after a lot of troubles, hurdeles and hardships. [The point that 3th > and > > > 6th are Upachaya can be a positive factor here if the final results > > > indicated are positive] > > > * It is interesting to note that a simple malefic result giving > > > planet in 1-4-7-8 can produce more harm to the childhood happiness > and > > > growth of the individual than a whole lot of malefic result giving > > > planets in 6th or 12th. Or may be the criminals with too much > malefics > > > in 6th or 12th does not have enough capability to distinguish > between > > > happiness and sadness, or harm and good - who knows! When tough life > > > becomes a habit, for teem there does not remains anything to be > called > > > tough in it. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2009 Dear Mr. Vijay Goel ji, Supplementing to Sreenadh's mail..... Kendras are aking to pillars / columns to a modern building. Benefics placed gives raise to " reasoning " qualities, Malefics tend to give " rebel/radical " qualities. There is a excellent example in Chinese history - Empress Dowager who ruled China for over 75+ yrs, went by traditions and reasoning, whereas her Grandson Emperor Hong Wu{ ruled China for 30+ yrs}, did exactly opposite and changed the very basics of rules that ruled China during his time in comparison to his GrandMa's period. Astro_Point: Better to see TWIN or PAIR houses, 2H & 8H, 3H & 9H, 6H & 12H ....etc Both were distinguished Emperor {Hong Wu} / Empress {Dowager} in Chinese History in their own way, considered important contributing periods in Chinese History. In today's history, Chinese give more importance to Emperor Hong Wu....for his great contributions.... for his UPSC { Indian Govt. vacancies selection board} type exams & selections way back in 13th Century.... Note: In Chinese History, Emperor is one entity, Empress Title is either held by emperor's wife or mother. In most of the cases it is held by Mother, the only notable exception being - Empress Dowager who was a Grand Mother. Kendras - 4H logics, reasoning aspects 10H of karma or career, similarly natural benefics in Lagna influence 7H, 7H is 10H from 10H. Similarly planets in 6H, 12H.... when in middle age, diseases dawn on individuals, frequent visits to hospitals...etc.. In old age....the 9H or 12H... when we are tired or frustated with the World.... another realization in existence of God ....dawns on human mind..... Now see the above in reverse manner....if the dasha of 9H or 12H comes.... he will join ISKON or Taliban !!! and may not show interest in marriage or other normal life events... If the dasha of 3H & 6H.... he will join either a sports events { especially - SUMO / Samurai / Ninja events} or end up in street brawls i.e. Al-Qaida activities....influenced by external forces.... with weak kendras supplementing... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2009 Dear Kursija ji,I understand, and you may take what you find working best for you. But are you sure in Vimshottari this individual can have Venus\Rahu\Jupiter running by any calculation??RegardsNeelam 2009/3/9 S.C. Kursija <sckursija Dear Neelam Gupta, I welcome your views. If we touch the dasha period point, it will again become a point of discussion, because some accepts 365.25 cycle. I accept 360 degree cycle of the vimshottari dasha as the circle, brahmand is of 360 degee and number of year allotted to each planet in vimshottarei dasha iare according to 360. I use 360 as it give me accurate timing. Love and regards --- On Mon, 3/9/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Re: Re: Empty Kendras Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:31 PM Respected Kursija ji, Thank you for sharing your views. //I feel that it will be better to clarify the or pin point the aspect of life you want to be get analised.// I don't want to get any aspect analysed. I gave this as an example under our discussion on: Moon-mars exchange when both are debilitated and its implications for the trine Empty Kendras and its implications in the chart Role of upchay sthans, if any when kendras are emptyI didn't give any clues as I thought Vijay ji and other members might like to make a judgment first. Otherwise we start 'fixing' astrology. We need to see what could have been the results of the above factors in native's life. //Dasha running is Venus\Rahu\Jupiter.// I guess Dahsa running is Sun-Ket. //Saturn with Ketu is also aspecting 2nd He may be having bad habits such as alcoholics.// This is not true. He has no bad habits. Let me say that the results of this exchange have been 'just as we would expect' as per the lordship, placement and karkatwas of the planets involved. Regards Neelam' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2009 Dear Vijay ji,//Here debilitation is good as moon and mars is lord of trishadaya houses placed in trishadaya house. It will make the person never die attitude at handling different situations. Kendra are empty so it is more pronounced as he will know that he has to fight alone// This may be true to a certain extent. Debilitation might be good in some ways in trishadaya. When one has to suffer bad karmas, strength and stamina are also required, isn't it? //Since both moon and mars are closely associated with other planets so this VRY could come in the positive ways in the antar dasa of associated planets.// This is where the catch lies. For Gemini and virgo, both moon and mars are supposed to be adverse. If they get associated further with lagna factor and other bad/marak lords they can play havoc. I have noticed this practically in all cases. And if the planet is also debilitated, then it can be most dangerous. In this particular case, mars is in cancer with rahu (karela aur neem chadha), it aspects 2H/venus, 5H/sat, 6H/jup and disposits LL and the luminaries. The whole chart is mars controlled. Though the native has yet to get the mars dasha, it has influenced his life in a major way by giving results in its own antar and antars of planets it is afflicting. As it afflicts all planets, all his life the native has been facing troubles. Was born sick and could not pass urine, had major hernia operation within a month of birth. (may be role of jal tatwa, mer is in scorpio and he was born in me-me).He got burnt with milk boiling (on a angeethi) when he was in mer-sun and one arm was badly burnt, still cannot straighten his arm. Lost a younger brother, in mer-sun only. This can be seen clearly, as sun, the 12L is also in 3H.Has been prone to accidents, falls etc. Twice had serious ear infections. But also has great resilience and perseverance. In Ketu-sat, when he was an MBA student, got involved in a case of ragging and was put behind bars for a few days, the case went on for some years.His car was stolen, father gave him some property which was mortgaged for small debt and lost. He has never been able to settle in life due to losses in everything. Initially he started with a job which he left for starting his own business. Since that day, he has piled up debts and losses only. Mostly paid off by father. There are many more events like this, which can also be seen in his chart. Now almost ending sun’s dasha who gave worst results being 12L in 3H.Basically, there is a malicious loop between 3-11 and the gains of efforts are nil. In fact each effort goes into loss. //Now main thing is that in jal tattwa rashi in kaama trikone these planets are with rahu, sun, mercury. This also mean that person will be too desirous and materialistic and go to any extent to fulfil his desire.// He has not been very desirous, as he was born into a fairly well-to-do family. But one has to run is own family and he has been a failure in that. This position in kaam trikon has in fact never let anything materialise for him. //Now does this exchange made the person to control his desires to the limit according to his family norms?//I think it will all vary from lagna to lagna. For tau, vir, and cap, this exchange involves kaam trikon. For these three, moon gets 3,11,7 lordship respectively, which in itself is not good. And mars in tau (7,12) and Capricorn (4,11), rules one Kendra also, but is vicious in virgo (3,8). Influence of benefics will also make a major difference in getting the desires fulfilled. I hope you’ll find this useful.RegardsNeelam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2009 Dear SSji, Ha Ha. That was a mean jibe at the ISKCON people. Yes thre are some hard interpretations ( maybe lost in translation ) in their Books. But taliban - would be streching it too far. I guess people of India have enough understanding to take the real essence of the religion - for as Lord Krishna advices, cut the bindings with the sword of detachment - and then let go of the sword itself..... Chiranjiv Mehta--- On Tue, 10/3/09, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 Re: Empty Kendras Date: Tuesday, 10 March, 2009, 8:27 AM Dear Mr. Vijay Goel ji,Supplementing to Sreenadh's mail......Kendras are aking to pillars / columns to a modern building. Beneficsplaced gives raise to "reasoning" qualities, Malefics tend to give"rebel/radical" qualities. There is a excellent example in Chinesehistory - Empress Dowager who ruled China for over 75+ yrs, went bytraditions and reasoning, whereas her Grandson Emperor Hong Wu{ ruledChina for 30+ yrs}, did exactly opposite and changed the very basics ofrules that ruled China during his time in comparison to his GrandMa'speriod.Astro_Point: Better to see TWIN or PAIR houses, 2H & 8H, 3H & 9H, 6H & 12H ....etcBoth were distinguished Emperor {Hong Wu} / Empress {Dowager} inChinese History in their own way, considered important contributingperiods in Chinese History. In today's history, Chinese give moreimportance to Emperor Hong Wu....for his great contributions. ... for hisUPSC { Indian Govt. vacancies selection board} type exams & selectionsway back in 13th Century....Note: In Chinese History, Emperor is one entity, Empress Title iseither held by emperor's wife or mother. In most of the cases it isheld by Mother, the only notable exception being - Empress Dowager whowas a Grand Mother.Kendras - 4H logics, reasoning aspects 10H of karma or career, similarly natural benefics in Lagna influence 7H, 7H is 10H from 10H.Similarly planets in 6H, 12H.... when in middle age, diseases dawn onindividuals, frequent visits to hospitals... etc..In old age....the 9H or 12H... when we are tired or frustated with theWorld.... another realization in existence of God ....dawns on humanmind.....Now see the above in reverse manner....if the dasha of 9H or 12Hcomes..... he will join ISKON or Taliban !!! and may not show interest inmarriage or other normal life events...If the dasha of 3H & 6H.... he will join either a sports events {especially - SUMO / Samurai / Ninja events} or end up in street brawlsi.e. Al-Qaida activities... ..influenced by external forces.... with weakkendras supplementing. ...With regards,Sreeram_Srinivas Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Invite them now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2009 Dear Mr. Chiranjiv, NO jibes at any one.... only seeing astrology through possible combinations and linking them to things that are easy to understand. It is only Hindu dharma which preaches and tells - beyond certain limits, go, attack..... and the distinction if very clear. However, our successive Congress govts. have been following totally contrary interpretations of hindu dharma to the point of self annihilation of Hinduism - deliberate attempt....do not know. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2009 Dear Sreeram ji,Nice examples to drive home the point. Sometimes it is a 'matter of judgment' and sometimes it is the 'judge who matters'. Our own perceptions and requirements also give meanings to different placements and combinations. If I am India, looking at Bhagat Singh, he's a glorified freedom fighter, but if I am angrezi satta, he is the terrorist (from gadar party). Same chart, 3/6 both ways!! In this connection, I am reminded of the Nabhas Yogas which give all such combinations in different AKRITI yogas. One good thing about Nabhas yogas is that they are not dasha dependent. Their effects of a more permanent nature and give the general disposition of the native and his life. We may consider these yogas for judging such results. RegardsNeelam2009/3/10 sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 Dear Mr. Vijay Goel ji, Supplementing to Sreenadh's mail..... Kendras are aking to pillars / columns to a modern building. Benefics placed gives raise to " reasoning " qualities, Malefics tend to give " rebel/radical " qualities. There is a excellent example in Chinese history - Empress Dowager who ruled China for over 75+ yrs, went by traditions and reasoning, whereas her Grandson Emperor Hong Wu{ ruled China for 30+ yrs}, did exactly opposite and changed the very basics of rules that ruled China during his time in comparison to his GrandMa's period. Astro_Point: Better to see TWIN or PAIR houses, 2H & 8H, 3H & 9H, 6H & 12H ....etc Both were distinguished Emperor {Hong Wu} / Empress {Dowager} in Chinese History in their own way, considered important contributing periods in Chinese History. In today's history, Chinese give more importance to Emperor Hong Wu....for his great contributions.... for his UPSC { Indian Govt. vacancies selection board} type exams & selections way back in 13th Century.... Note: In Chinese History, Emperor is one entity, Empress Title is either held by emperor's wife or mother. In most of the cases it is held by Mother, the only notable exception being - Empress Dowager who was a Grand Mother. Kendras - 4H logics, reasoning aspects 10H of karma or career, similarly natural benefics in Lagna influence 7H, 7H is 10H from 10H. Similarly planets in 6H, 12H.... when in middle age, diseases dawn on individuals, frequent visits to hospitals...etc.. In old age....the 9H or 12H... when we are tired or frustated with the World.... another realization in existence of God ....dawns on human mind..... Now see the above in reverse manner....if the dasha of 9H or 12H comes.... he will join ISKON or Taliban !!! and may not show interest in marriage or other normal life events... If the dasha of 3H & 6H.... he will join either a sports events { especially - SUMO / Samurai / Ninja events} or end up in street brawls i.e. Al-Qaida activities....influenced by external forces.... with weak kendras supplementing... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2009 Madam Neelam Gupta, I use parashar light and it show the same. I have not calculated manually. Love and regards. --- On Tue, 3/10/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Empty Kendras Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 10:26 AM Dear Kursija ji,I understand, and you may take what you find working best for you. But are you sure in Vimshottari this individual can have Venus\Rahu\Jupiter running by any calculation??RegardsNeelam 2009/3/9 S.C. Kursija <sckursija Dear Neelam Gupta,I welcome your views. If we touch the dasha period point, it will again become a point of discussion, because some accepts 365.25 cycle. I accept 360 degree cycle of the vimshottari dasha as the circle, brahmand is of 360 degee and number of year allotted to each planet in vimshottarei dasha iare according to 360. I use 360 as it give me accurate timing.Love and regards --- On Mon, 3/9/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Empty Kendras Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:31 PM Respected Kursija ji,Thank you for sharing your views.//I feel that it will be better to clarify the or pin point the aspect of life you want to be get analised.//I don't want to get any aspect analysed. I gave this as an example under our discussion on:Moon-mars exchange when both are debilitated and its implications for the trineEmpty Kendras and its implications in the chartRole of upchay sthans, if any when kendras are emptyI didn't give any clues as I thought Vijay ji and other members might like to make a judgment first. Otherwise we start 'fixing' astrology. We need to see what could have been the results of the above factors in native's life. //Dasha running is Venus\Rahu\Jupiter.//I guess Dahsa running is Sun-Ket. //Saturn with Ketu is also aspecting 2nd He may be having bad habits such as alcoholics.//This is not true. He has no bad habits.Let me say that the results of this exchange have been 'just as we would expect' as per the lordship, placement and karkatwas of the planets involved.RegardsNeelam' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest guest Report post Posted March 10, 2009 Dear Kursija ji,I am extremely sorry. I have made a typo in the DOB. it is 28 Nov 1962 and I gave you 27th. The planetary positions have remained the same, of course dasha has changed. I have been quite familiar with this chart, so I knew that the native is into Sun-Mer now. Hence I asked you twice. I apologise for this mistake and the inconvenience caused to you. RegardsNeelam2009/3/10 S.C. Kursija <sckursija Madam Neelam Gupta, I use parashar light and it show the same. I have not calculated manually. Love and regards. --- On Tue, 3/10/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Empty Kendras Date: Tuesday, March 10, 2009, 10:26 AM Dear Kursija ji,I understand, and you may take what you find working best for you. But are you sure in Vimshottari this individual can have Venus\Rahu\Jupiter running by any calculation??RegardsNeelam 2009/3/9 S.C. Kursija <sckursija Dear Neelam Gupta,I welcome your views. If we touch the dasha period point, it will again become a point of discussion, because some accepts 365.25 cycle. I accept 360 degree cycle of the vimshottari dasha as the circle, brahmand is of 360 degee and number of year allotted to each planet in vimshottarei dasha iare according to 360. I use 360 as it give me accurate timing. Love and regards --- On Mon, 3/9/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Re: Re: Empty Kendras Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:31 PM Respected Kursija ji,Thank you for sharing your views.//I feel that it will be better to clarify the or pin point the aspect of life you want to be get analised.//I don't want to get any aspect analysed. I gave this as an example under our discussion on: Moon-mars exchange when both are debilitated and its implications for the trineEmpty Kendras and its implications in the chartRole of upchay sthans, if any when kendras are emptyI didn't give any clues as I thought Vijay ji and other members might like to make a judgment first. Otherwise we start 'fixing' astrology. We need to see what could have been the results of the above factors in native's life. //Dasha running is Venus\Rahu\Jupiter.//I guess Dahsa running is Sun-Ket. //Saturn with Ketu is also aspecting 2nd He may be having bad habits such as alcoholics.//This is not true. He has no bad habits. Let me say that the results of this exchange have been 'just as we would expect' as per the lordship, placement and karkatwas of the planets involved.RegardsNeelam' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
