Bhava Chalit - Part 2

October 28, 2008

bhaskarji, the write up is by me... Kishore patnaik On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote:

Dear Shri Kursija ji,

This is a informative write up by You. Thank you.

I too have mentioned in one of my previous mails, that the Bhava chart must be seen in conjunction with the natal chart.

The 10th house is important because it contains the MC- Meridian cusp which is very important. The planets in the natal chart in the 11th and the 9th when they move to the 10th Bhava, in the Chalit chart, then they influence the career of the native to a great extent. Especially those planets in the 9th House within the last 5 degrees of the sign have got a high probability of moving to the 10th Bhava in the chalit chart.

You mentioned about the Rajamundhry pundit. Rajamundhry has got very good traditional astrologers situated in unknown pockets of the town and not easily accessible to the general public, but only to the industrialists and the families they have been catering to, since generations.

The nakshatra divisions or 108 padas you said, are actually the utmost important divisions which form the basis of stellar astrology ( KP Astrology also has come from here). Due to this being difficult to study by those who are not much into analytical and pain staking effort taken to read charts, this system has become " lupt " since few centuries, but is actually our traditional astrology. The near perfect predictions can come only from this system.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>> Let me recount the ways of reading a bhava chart:> > 1. Mostly astrologers read it in conjunction with natal chart> > 2. one minor school ignores the natal chart and thinks Bhava chart is the

> right chart to read and predict from. Their arguement is natal chart is more> of a spiritual chart and when you are reading the materialistic aspects of> life, you should totally depend on Bhava chart.

> > I don;t know whether there are divisional charts in this method. But, it is> possible that these astrolgers will adopt the bhava chart to be D1 and then> proceed with divisional charts of the bhava chart, since natal chart is

> totally ignored. However, I am not aware of the practice.> > 3. Reading bhava chart from its moon occupation> > 4. Reading bhava chart from its tenth house - So far I know, this way of

> reading seems to be prevalent since I came across at least two or three> unconnected astrologers following this method> > Both 3 and 4 are done in conjunction with Rasi chart.> > 5. One of the most novel way of reading bhava chart I have come across from

> a very old Pundit in Rajahmundhry is consider only the naksatras' position.> the method, at least it looked to me very difficult since you will have to> 108 variations vis a vis the 12 variations we are dealing with.

> > thus, if you are born in 2nd pada of purvashada, your second star starts> from 2nd pada of uttarashada only.> > They have combined this with the bhava chart and the total chart is called

> ashtottara maha dhyanam or some such name> > > > Kishore patnaik>

October 28, 2008

Dear Kishoreji,

I am extremely sorry, this has been a typo mistake, due to writing

hurriedly and diwali knitty and gritties being planned, i wanted to

reply this mail of yours,because once i postpone anything then it

remains postponed. And your mail was good, so i did wish to reply you

immediately.

Bhaskar.

, " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> bhaskarji,

>

> the write up is by me...

>

> Kishore patnaik

>

> On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 12:37 PM, Bhaskar rajiventerpriseswrote:

>

> > Dear Shri Kursija ji,

> >

> > This is a informative write up by You. Thank you.

> >

> > I too have mentioned in one of my previous mails, that the Bhava

chart must

> > be seen in conjunction with the natal chart.

> >

> > The 10th house is important because it contains the MC- Meridian

cusp which

> > is very important. The planets in the natal chart in the 11th and

the 9th

> > when they move to the 10th Bhava, in the Chalit chart, then they

influence

> > the career of the native to a great extent. Especially those planets

in the

> > 9th House within the last 5 degrees of the sign have got a high

probability

> > of moving to the 10th Bhava in the chalit chart.

> >

> > You mentioned about the Rajamundhry pundit. Rajamundhry has got very

good

> > traditional astrologers situated in unknown pockets of the town and

not

> > easily accessible to the general public, but only to the

industrialists and

> > the families they have been catering to, since generations.

> >

> > The nakshatra divisions or 108 padas you said, are actually the

utmost

> > important divisions which form the basis of stellar astrology ( KP

Astrology

> > also has come from here). Due to this being difficult to study by

those who

> > are not much into analytical and pain staking effort taken to read

charts,

> > this system has become " lupt " since few centuries, but is actually

our

> > traditional astrology. The near perfect predictions can come only

from this

> > system.

> >

> > best wishes,

> >

> > Bhaskar.

> >

> > , " kishore patnaik "

> > kishorepatnaik09@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Let me recount the ways of reading a bhava chart:

> > >

> > > 1. Mostly astrologers read it in conjunction with natal chart

> > >

> > > 2. one minor school ignores the natal chart and thinks Bhava chart

is the

> > > right chart to read and predict from. Their arguement is natal

chart is

> > more

> > > of a spiritual chart and when you are reading the materialistic

aspects

> > of

> > > life, you should totally depend on Bhava chart.

> > >

> > > I don;t know whether there are divisional charts in this method.

But, it

> > is

> > > possible that these astrolgers will adopt the bhava chart to be D1

and

> > then

> > > proceed with divisional charts of the bhava chart, since natal

chart is

> > > totally ignored. However, I am not aware of the practice.

> > >

> > > 3. Reading bhava chart from its moon occupation

> > >

> > > 4. Reading bhava chart from its tenth house - So far I know, this

way of

> > > reading seems to be prevalent since I came across at least two or

three

> > > unconnected astrologers following this method

> > >

> > > Both 3 and 4 are done in conjunction with Rasi chart.

> > >

> > > 5. One of the most novel way of reading bhava chart I have come

across

> > from

> > > a very old Pundit in Rajahmundhry is consider only the naksatras'

> > position.

> > > the method, at least it looked to me very difficult since you will

have

> > to

> > > 108 variations vis a vis the 12 variations we are dealing with.

> > >

> > > thus, if you are born in 2nd pada of purvashada, your second star

starts

> > > from 2nd pada of uttarashada only.

> > >

> > > They have combined this with the bhava chart and the total chart

is

> > called

> > > ashtottara maha dhyanam or some such name

> > >

> > > Kishore patnaik

> > >

> >

>

October 28, 2008

Thank you Bhaskarji, I am happy you enjoyed the post. Kishore patnaik

October 28, 2008

Respected Bhaskarji,

//

I will not discuss much more, because i know

the levels of the

astrologers working on these forums, who have a rigid and closed

mindset-window, who are not ready to accept something which they dont

know., so no use wasting my time, in trying to explain.....

.....they

think what they have learnt is the ultimate, they are not ready to

accept new learning, they think it below their dignity to accept new

learnings, or concepts which they are not aware of....////

Sir, i am here (though a silent member) to learn more from all the

experienced esteemed members here in this forum.

Please share your experience for chalit chart, I think KP used Placidus

system, whereas Sripati method is more used by others.

Please share your views and with few Hints by taking any examples.

"HAPPY DEEPAWALI" to all

Regards,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

October 30, 2008

Dear Goelji,

However much we may listen to the lectures of a trainer, we cannot learn swimming until we dive in the water.

Same here. I advice you to please prepare 2 Bhava Chalit charts, as per both the methods mentioned by you, for the following data, and just relate the significant changes of the planets from their house placements in the natal chart. Also mention what do you think would change in effects-results now, after you notice the change. This Live example will help us a lot in discussing what you are querying about.

Date of Birth 28th June 1961 Time 10.15 am

Place of Birth Eluru ( Andhra Pradesh ) 16.45N, 81.09E

The above is my own chart, so i will be in a better position to confirm your observations once I have your views on the above chart.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, Vijay Goel <goyalvj wrote:>> Respected Bhaskarji,> > //> > I will not discuss much more, because i know the levels of the> > astrologers working on these forums, who have a rigid and closed> > mindset-window, who are not ready to accept something which they dont> > know., so no use wasting my time, in trying to explain.....> > ....they> > think what they have learnt is the ultimate, they are not ready to> > accept new learning, they think it below their dignity to accept new> > learnings, or concepts which they are not aware of....////> Sir, i am here (though a silent member) to learn more from all the > experienced esteemed members here in this forum. > Please share your experience for chalit chart, I think KP used Placidus > system, whereas Sripati method is more used by others.> Please share your views and with few Hints by taking any examples.> > "HAPPY DEEPAWALI" to all > > Regards,> Vijay Goel> Jaipur.>

October 30, 2008

Dear Khurana ji,

YOU ARE RIGHT.

When 16 Varga chart are casted , Birth sign chart acts as

one of the bhava chart . This is a very effective technique.

This does not mean the savants who are constructing bhava chalit charts

( no doubt their are many ways to do it and some of them are not at all

convincing or logical ) do not have logic or utility. We must learn their use also.

On higher latitudes , the utility of chalit chars are doubtful.In such cases equal house division

comes to rescue.

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal Sent: Monday, 27 October, 2008 10:52:08 PM Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

Sirs,Chalit kundali is derived after a mathematical step known as Bhav-spashtha technique. If we can accept divisional charts, which are a mathematical derivation of the natal chart, then why canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t we accept yet another derivation of the natal chart known as Chalit chart. As the divisional charts are generated from the natal chart, so is the Chalit chart. This gives us yet another tool for studying a kundali. No body says that the natal chart be set aside and a Chalit chart alone be studied. I consider a Chalit chart as a refinement. Chalit chart also takes into account, to some extent, the difference in the people born an hour apart but in the same lagna. Bhava means mood/attitude/ feeling (like bhava-bhakti) . Therefore studying a house or Bhav in a Chalit kundali makes us understand the attitude of the planet placed in that bhav towards the significations the bhav

represents.Sincerely,S P Khuranaancient_indian_ astrology, "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji,> > With due regard to the sentiments of those who use the chalit chakra, I> personally feel> chalit chakra (usally called Bhava chart also) is not all that useful as it> is made out to be.> > More often than not, I have seen it being misused, either how a person> suffered or enjoyed inspite of these not being obvious in his natal chart> or more abusively, to explain away why a particular piece of prophecy did> not come true.> > I recall B V Raman's dictum in this connection: " What is not promised

by> natal chart, can not happen"> > I believe that Divisional charts will confirm the strength of readings made> out from the Natal chart and we really do not require anything else for a> good prophecy.> > This is my personal thinking and I do not mean to degrade or hurt any> Learned member.> > with best regards,> > Kishore patnaik> > > > I>

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October 30, 2008

Sir Goel ji,

The bhav system known as modus equalis or ptolemaic equal house

system had been in use by a large number of the North Indian

astrologers in the ancient times. It has gained popularity again

because at higher latitudes there is no problem with this system.

Some of us who are also learning Lal Kitab have been following this

system.

Sincerely,

S P Khurana

, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> DearÂ Khurana ji,

> YOU ARE RIGHT.

> When 16 Varga chart are castedÂ , Birth sign chart acts as

> one of the bhava chart .Â This is a very effective technique.

>

> This does not mean the savants who are constructing bhavaÂ chalit

charts

> ( no doubt their are many ways to do it and some of them are not

at all

> convincingÂ or logical ) do not have logic or utility. We must

learn their use also.

> On higher latitudes , the utility of chalit chars are doubtful.In

such cases equal house division

> comes to rescue.

> Regards,

> Â

> G.K.GOEL

>

> ________________________________

> khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal

>

> Monday, 27 October, 2008 10:52:08 PM

> Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

>

> Sirs,

>

> Chalit kundali is derived after a mathematical step known as Bhav-

> spashtha technique. If we can accept divisional charts, which are

a

> mathematical derivation of the natal chart, then why canÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t we

accept

> yet another derivation of the natal chart known as Chalit chart.

As

> the divisional charts are generated from the natal chart, so is

the

> Chalit chart. This gives us yet another tool for studying a

kundali.

> No body says that the natal chart be set aside and a Chalit chart

> alone be studied. I consider a Chalit chart as a refinement.

Chalit

> chart also takes into account, to some extent, the difference in

the

> people born an hour apart but in the same lagna.

>

> Bhava means mood/attitude/ feeling (like bhava-bhakti) . Therefore

> studying a house or Bhav in a Chalit kundali makes us understand

the

> attitude of the planet placed in that bhav towards the

> significations the bhav represents.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> S P Khurana

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " kishore

patnaik "

> <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji,

> >

> > With due regard to the sentiments of those who use the chalit

> chakra, I

> > personally feel

> > chalit chakra (usally called Bhava chart also) is not all that

> useful as it

> > is made out to be.

> >

> > More often than not, I have seen it being misused, either how a

> person

> > suffered or enjoyed inspite of these not being obvious in his

> natal chart

> > or more abusively, to explain away why a particular piece of

> prophecy did

> > not come true.

> >

> > I recall B V Raman's dictum in this connection: " What is not

> promised by

> > natal chart, can not happen "

> >

> > I believe that Divisional charts will confirm the strength of

> readings made

> > out from the Natal chart and we really do not require anything

> else for a

> > good prophecy.

> >

> > This is my personal thinking and I do not mean to degrade or

hurt

> any

> > Learned member.

> >

> > with best regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> > I

> >

>

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October 31, 2008

Dear Srinivas ji,

Astak varga may be applied to chalit chart,

it is in order.

We have many methods to consruct bhava chart.

WHICH IS THE METHOD TO BE FOLLOWED?

BPHS and BRIHAT JATAK both advocates that birth sign

chart becomes Bhava chart and also boundary of bhava is compartmentlised

within the Sign.Theory of Varga chart is also based on this understanding

Why should not we follow this method?

I am not denouncingi] any theort but trying ti thik aloud.

G.K.GOEL

sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 Sent: Saturday, 25 October, 2008 12:07:40 PM Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

Dear Bhaskar ji,

I remember to have read in "Ashtakvarga" by Sri C.S. Patel in his "introductory notes" on it clearly mentions usage of Chalit chart in that book { including examples} as the basis. Such a widely learned man must have some reasons for his conclusions, as he mentioned it as based on classical knowledgebase.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

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October 31, 2008

Dear Gopalji,

Just adding my comment, and do not mean to interfere in the thread.

Any technique of House division which allows an individual to predict better than average, would be best suited for him.

It may not neceesraily be Natal Chart or Bhava Chalit Chart, or Parashari Chalit or Placidus chalit or equal house or unequal house. Some people predict well using just transits. While others use ashtakvarga and predict well. Some people make the use of nakshtaras in transits to predict well, while the others use ashtakvarga. Some can predict well with the Navamsha chart side by side, others can predict well by studying the Moon chart, while still others use just the Natal chart to predict well. Actually there is no hard and fast rule. In the hands of a expert barber, even a blunt scissor would result in giving a good hair cut to the customer who comes to make himself look better. Too much of searching the books or shastras for recommendations , actually does not get us anywhere. We have to get inside the system to know the practical utility or futility of the same.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:>> > > Dear Srinivas ji,> Astak varga may be applied to chalit chart,> it is in order.> We have many methods to consruct bhava chart.> WHICHÂ IS THE METHOD TO BE FOLLOWED?> > BPHS and BRIHAT JATAK both advocates that birth sign> chart becomes Bhava chart and alsoÂ boundary of bhava is compartmentlised > within the Â Sign.Theory of Varga chart is also based on this understanding> Why should not we follow this method?> > I am not denouncingi] any theort but trying ti thik aloud.> Â > G.K.GOEL> > > > > ________________________________> sreeram srinivas sreeram64 > Saturday, 25 October, 2008 12:07:40 PM> Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2> > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> I remember to have read in "Ashtakvarga" by Sri C.S. Patel in his "introductory notes" on it clearly mentions usage of Chalit chart in that book { including examples} as the basis.Â Such a widely learned man must have some reasons for his conclusions, as he mentioned it as based on classical knowledgebase.> With regards,> Sreeram_Srinivas> Â > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/>

November 2, 2008

Dear Khurana ji ,

Let us not bring Ptolemy's equal house division as This will open up

the debate Tropical verses Sidereal.

Â In the methods when each house extends to a arc of 30 degrees,

Â oneÂ thing is common ;

' The longitude of AscendingÂ point becomes the most sensitive point

of the ascendant ie the 1st house , and the sensitive point of other houses

will be 30 deg. apart.Likewise sensitive point of 10th house will fall in 10th

sign from ascending sign and will obtain same longitude as that of the ascending

point in Lagna.( I n this system M.C. IS NOT CONSIDERED AS THE MID-POINT ,

MOST SENSITIVE POINT OR CUSP OF THE 10TH HOUSE) M.C. is however

given prime-importance due to it and is widely used for many other important

purposes.'

The above similarity apart , their are following two versions of equal house

division:

A. ARSA METHOD- As taught by Parasara (BPHS) and Varha Mihira (Brihat Jatak)

Â Â Â The boundary of each Â house will be within a sign - compartmental Method

-eg if

Â Â Â Virgo is raising than Virgo sign will represent Lagna house and Libra

will become

Â Â Â 2nd house and so on. Every sensitive point of the house will have the

" DEEPTAMSA OF

Â Â 15 DEG ON EITHER SIDE "

Â Â Suppose 10 deg Virgo is risingÂ and Mercury is in 8th house at 29 deg , it

will be considers

Â as if it is in 8th house but will pass its effect to 9th house.In this case

Mercury is Lagna lord,

Â and its placement in 8th house is a blemish. Had it been considered that it

is placed in 9th house

Â such a placement will prove a boon to the native.

B. In second version , most sensitive point is considered as the Mid-point of

the house.In

Â Â such a event though Mercury is in 8th sign , but Â will be considered in

9th house.

Conclusion:

1. I adopt BPHS method as this goes well with Varga charts.

2. 2nd method is also effective , if one is not taking Varga charts

Â Â in consideration

3. Other methods of bhava divisions do have their merits andÂ some

Â Â methods are full of contradictions. Their utility for places on higher

latitudes

Â is doubtful. In any case these systems have their own methodology and give

outstanding

Â results in some Areas.

NO METHOD IS UNIVERSALLY FOOLPROOF.

One question will arise, there are many ways of house division and then Tropical

and Sidereal

systems , Still most of the savants are able to give 60 to 70% correct

predictions.The reason

is hidden in Lal Kitab:

1. NATURAL ZODIAC ALWAYS STARTS FROM ARIES- 1ST HOUSEÂ Â IS ARIES ,

Â 2H IS TAURUSÂ AND SO ON. AS SUCH MARS BEING LORD OF ARIES AND KARKA

Â SUN WILL HAVE THE PERMANENT INFLUENCE ON 1ST HOUSE .THISÂ IS ALSO APPLICABLE

Â TO OTHER HOUSES. MANY BHIRGU YOGA(S) ARE BASED ON THIS PRINCIPLE.

2. ANGULAR ZODIACAL ARC AMONG LAGNA ,SENSITIVE POINDS ANDÂ PLANETS

Â Â Â ETC. WILL REMAIN UNALTERED ,IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY SYSTEM IS ADOPTED

Maharishi Parasara has precisely explained this concept to his disciple Maitraye

in chapter 3, slokas 4, 5 and 6 of BPHS:

â€œThose, celestial bodies are called the planets (Grahas) that move through the

Nakshatras (or asterisms) along the Zodiac (Bhachakra). The Zodiac comprises of

27 asterisms from Aswin to Revati and also divided in 12 equal parts known as

signs (Rashis) from Aries to Pisces. The Zodiac sign which contains the rising

(ascending) point at the time of Birth is called Lagan (ascendant)â€. ascendant

and the planets joining and separating from each other, the nativeâ€™s good and

bad fortune is deductedâ€.

Kindly let me know the system adopted in Lal Kitab. I feel Method 'A' IS BEING

ADOPTED.

BEST REGARDS,

Â G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

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khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal

Friday, 31 October, 2008 12:29:28 AM

Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

Sir Goel ji,

The bhav system known as modus equalis or ptolemaic equal house

system had been in use by a large number of the North Indian

astrologers in the ancient times. It has gained popularity again

because at higher latitudes there is no problem with this system.

Some of us who are also learning Lal Kitab have been following this

system.

Sincerely,

S P Khurana

ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

>

> DearÃ‚Â Khurana ji,

> YOU ARE RIGHT.

> When 16 Varga chart are castedÃ‚Â , Birth sign chart acts as

> one of the bhava chart .Ã‚Â This is a very effective technique.

>

> This does not mean the savants who are constructing bhavaÃ‚Â chalit

charts

> ( no doubt their are many ways to do it and some of them are not

at all

> convincingÃ‚Â or logical ) do not have logic or utility. We must

learn their use also.

> On higher latitudes , the utility of chalit chars are doubtful.In

such cases equal house division

> comes to rescue.

> Regards,

> Ã‚Â

> G.K.GOEL

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal@ ...>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Monday, 27 October, 2008 10:52:08 PM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

>

> Sirs,

>

> Chalit kundali is derived after a mathematical step known as Bhav-

> spashtha technique. If we can accept divisional charts, which are

a

> mathematical derivation of the natal chart, then why canÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t we

accept

> yet another derivation of the natal chart known as Chalit chart.

As

> the divisional charts are generated from the natal chart, so is

the

> Chalit chart. This gives us yet another tool for studying a

kundali.

> No body says that the natal chart be set aside and a Chalit chart

> alone be studied. I consider a Chalit chart as a refinement.

Chalit

> chart also takes into account, to some extent, the difference in

the

> people born an hour apart but in the same lagna.

>

> Bhava means mood/attitude/ feeling (like bhava-bhakti) . Therefore

> studying a house or Bhav in a Chalit kundali makes us understand

the

> attitude of the planet placed in that bhav towards the

> significations the bhav represents.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> S P Khurana

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " kishore

patnaik "

> <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji,

> >

> > With due regard to the sentiments of those who use the chalit

> chakra, I

> > personally feel

> > chalit chakra (usally called Bhava chart also) is not all that

> useful as it

> > is made out to be.

> >

> > More often than not, I have seen it being misused, either how a

> person

> > suffered or enjoyed inspite of these not being obvious in his

> natal chart

> > or more abusively, to explain away why a particular piece of

> prophecy did

> > not come true.

> >

> > I recall B V Raman's dictum in this connection: " What is not

> promised by

> > natal chart, can not happen "

> >

> > I believe that Divisional charts will confirm the strength of

> readings made

> > out from the Natal chart and we really do not require anything

> else for a

> > good prophecy.

> >

> > This is my personal thinking and I do not mean to degrade or

hurt

> any

> > Learned member.

> >

> > with best regards,

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> > I

> >

>

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November 2, 2008

Respected Goel ji,

When I made a reference to equal house system, I meant what you

call `Arsha' method of Parashar. Traditionally it was this method

which had been in use. In between a few more methods got popular but

recently once again it is the same old tested parashar method which

has again gained popularity.

I use this Parashar method where, as you have said, mercury placed

in the 8th house at 29 degrees with Lagna at 10 degrees will pass on

its effects to the 9th house. Although for divisional charts etc it

would be considered in the rasi of the 8th house.

The Lal Kitab old timers do not believe in any Bhav-spashtha, and

therefore do not follow any system of houses. They take the rasi

itself as synonymous with a house whether the lagna is at 2 degrees

or 29 degrees.

I belong to a different school of Lal Kitab which believes that the

Lal Kitab is basically a system which gives importance to a Bhav [ or

khana as it calls ] as against rasi, so much so that the book

instructs that the rasi be erased altogether and the houses be

numbered all over again starting with lagna as number 1. We take it

as an indication that the bhav be given precedence over the Rasi. Had

the rasi been synonymous with house or khana then there would have

been no need to erase the rasi numbers.

Lal Kitab does take into cognizance the Kal-purush [ cardinal ]

kundali the same way as does the traditional Indian Jyotish.

With respect,

S P Khurana

vedic astrology , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

wrote:

>

> Dear Khurana ji ,

> Let us not bring Ptolemy's equal house division as This will open up

> the debate Tropical verses Sidereal.

> Â In the methods when each house extends to a arc of 30 degrees,

> Â oneÂ thing is common ;

> ' The longitude of AscendingÂ point becomes the most sensitive point

> of the ascendant ie the 1st house , and the sensitive point of

other houses

> will be 30 deg. apart.Likewise sensitive point of 10th house will

fall in 10th

> sign from ascending sign and will obtain same longitude as that of

the ascending

> point in Lagna.( I n this system M.C. IS NOT CONSIDERED AS THE MID-

POINT ,

> MOST SENSITIVE POINT OR CUSP OF THE 10TH HOUSE) M.C. is however

> given prime-importance due to it and is widely used for many other

important purposes.'

>

> The above similarity apart , their are following two versions of

equal house division:

> A. ARSA METHOD- As taught by Parasara (BPHS) and Varha Mihira

(Brihat Jatak)

> Â Â Â The boundary of each Â house will be within a sign -

compartmental Method -eg if

> Â Â Â Virgo is raising than Virgo sign will represent Lagna house

and Libra will become

> Â Â Â 2nd house and so on. Every sensitive point of the house will

have the " DEEPTAMSA OF

> Â Â 15 DEG ON EITHER SIDE "

> Â Â Suppose 10 deg Virgo is risingÂ and Mercury is in 8th house

at 29 deg , it will be considers

> Â as if it is in 8th house but will pass its effect to 9th

house.In this case Mercury is Lagna lord,

> Â and its placement in 8th house is a blemish. Had it been

considered that it is placed in 9th house

> Â such a placement will prove a boon to the native.

> B. In second version , most sensitive point is considered as the

Mid-point of the house.In

> Â Â such a event though Mercury is in 8th sign , but Â will be

considered in 9th house.

>

> Conclusion:

> 1. I adopt BPHS method as this goes well with Varga charts.

> 2. 2nd method is also effective , if one is not taking Varga charts

> Â Â in consideration

> 3. Other methods of bhava divisions do have their merits andÂ some

> Â Â methods are full of contradictions. Their utility for places

on higher latitudes

> Â is doubtful. In any case these systems have their own

methodology and give outstanding

> Â results in some Areas.

> NO METHOD IS UNIVERSALLY FOOLPROOF.

>

> One question will arise, there are many ways of house division and

then Tropical and Sidereal

> systems , Still most of the savants are able to give 60 to 70%

correct predictions.The reason

> is hidden in Lal Kitab:

> 1. NATURAL ZODIAC ALWAYS STARTS FROM ARIES- 1ST HOUSEÂ Â IS ARIES ,

> Â 2H IS TAURUSÂ AND SO ON. AS SUCH MARS BEING LORD OF ARIES AND

KARKA

> Â SUN WILL HAVE THE PERMANENT INFLUENCE ON 1ST HOUSE .THISÂ IS

ALSO APPLICABLE

> Â TO OTHER HOUSES. MANY BHIRGU YOGA(S) ARE BASED ON THIS PRINCIPLE.

> 2. ANGULAR ZODIACAL ARC AMONG LAGNA ,SENSITIVE POINDS ANDÂ PLANETS

> Â Â Â ETC. WILL REMAIN UNALTERED ,IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY SYSTEM IS

ADOPTED

>

> Maharishi Parasara has precisely explained this concept to his

disciple Maitraye in chapter 3, slokas 4, 5 and 6 of BPHS:

> â€œThose, celestial bodies are called the planets (Grahas) that

move through the Nakshatras (or asterisms) along the Zodiac

(Bhachakra). The Zodiac comprises of 27 asterisms from Aswin to

Revati and also divided in 12 equal parts known as signs (Rashis)

from Aries to Pisces. The Zodiac sign which contains the rising

(ascending) point at the time of Birth is called Lagan (ascendant)

â€. ascendant and the planets joining and separating from each

other, the nativeâ€™s good and bad fortune is deductedâ€.

> Kindly let me know the system adopted in Lal Kitab. I feel

Method 'A' IS BEING ADOPTED.

> BEST REGARDS,

>

> Â G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

> ________________________________

> khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal

>

> Friday, 31 October, 2008 12:29:28 AM

> Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

>

> Sir Goel ji,

>

> The bhav system known as modus equalis or ptolemaic equal house

> system had been in use by a large number of the North Indian

> astrologers in the ancient times. It has gained popularity again

> because at higher latitudes there is no problem with this system.

> Some of us who are also learning Lal Kitab have been following this

> system.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> S P Khurana

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > DearÃ‚Â Khurana ji,

> > YOU ARE RIGHT.

> > When 16 Varga chart are castedÃ‚Â , Birth sign chart acts as

> > one of the bhava chart .Ã‚Â This is a very effective technique.

> >

> > This does not mean the savants who are constructing bhavaÃ‚Â

chalit

> charts

> > ( no doubt their are many ways to do it and some of them are not

> at all

> > convincingÃ‚Â or logical ) do not have logic or utility. We must

> learn their use also.

> > On higher latitudes , the utility of chalit chars are doubtful.In

> such cases equal house division

> > comes to rescue.

> > Regards,

> > Ã‚Â

> > G.K.GOEL

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal@ ...>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Monday, 27 October, 2008 10:52:08 PM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

> >

> > Sirs,

> >

> > Chalit kundali is derived after a mathematical step known as Bhav-

> > spashtha technique. If we can accept divisional charts, which are

> a

> > mathematical derivation of the natal chart, then why canÃƒÂ¢Ã¢

â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t we

> accept

> > yet another derivation of the natal chart known as Chalit chart.

> As

> > the divisional charts are generated from the natal chart, so is

> the

> > Chalit chart. This gives us yet another tool for studying a

> kundali.

> > No body says that the natal chart be set aside and a Chalit chart

> > alone be studied. I consider a Chalit chart as a refinement.

> Chalit

> > chart also takes into account, to some extent, the difference in

> the

> > people born an hour apart but in the same lagna.

> >

> > Bhava means mood/attitude/ feeling (like bhava-bhakti) .

Therefore

> > studying a house or Bhav in a Chalit kundali makes us understand

> the

> > attitude of the planet placed in that bhav towards the

> > significations the bhav represents.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > S P Khurana

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " kishore

> patnaik "

> > <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskarji,

> > >

> > > With due regard to the sentiments of those who use the chalit

> > chakra, I

> > > personally feel

> > > chalit chakra (usally called Bhava chart also) is not all that

> > useful as it

> > > is made out to be.

> > >

> > > More often than not, I have seen it being misused, either how a

> > person

> > > suffered or enjoyed inspite of these not being obvious in his

> > natal chart

> > > or more abusively, to explain away why a particular piece of

> > prophecy did

> > > not come true.

> > >

> > > I recall B V Raman's dictum in this connection: " What is not

> > promised by

> > > natal chart, can not happen "

> > >

> > > I believe that Divisional charts will confirm the strength of

> > readings made

> > > out from the Natal chart and we really do not require anything

> > else for a

> > > good prophecy.

> > >

> > > This is my personal thinking and I do not mean to degrade or

> hurt

> > any

> > > Learned member.

> > >

> > > with best regards,

> > >

> > > Kishore patnaik

> > >

> > > I

> > >

> >

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> http://messenger. / invite/

> >

>

> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

http://messenger./invite/

>

November 2, 2008

Dear Khurana ji ,

Let us not bring Ptolemy's equal house division as This will open up

the debate Tropical verses Sidereal.

In the methods when each house extends to a arc of 30 degrees,

one thing is common ;

' The longitude of Ascending point becomes the most sensitive point

of the ascendant ie the 1st house , and the sensitive point of other houses

will be 30 deg. apart.Likewise sensitive point of 10th house will fall in 10th

sign from ascending sign and will obtain same longitude as that of the ascending

point in Lagna.( I n this system M.C. IS NOT CONSIDERED AS THE MID-POINT ,

MOST SENSITIVE POINT OR CUSP OF THE 10TH HOUSE) M.C. is however

given prime-importance due to it and is widely used for many other important purposes.'

The above similarity apart , their are following two versions of equal house division:

A. ARSA METHOD- As taught by Parasara (BPHS) and Varha Mihira (Brihat Jatak)

The boundary of each house will be within a sign - compartmental Method -eg if

Virgo is raising than Virgo sign will represent Lagna house and Libra will become

2nd house and so on. Every sensitive point of the house will have the "DEEPTAMSA OF

15 DEG ON EITHER SIDE"

Suppose 10 deg Virgo is rising and Mercury is in 8th house at 29 deg , it will be considers

as if it is in 8th house but will pass its effect to 9th house.In this case Mercury is Lagna lord,

and its placement in 8th house is a blemish. Had it been considered that it is placed in 9th house

such a placement will prove a boon to the native.

B. In second version , most sensitive point is considered as the Mid-point of the house.In

such a event though Mercury is in 8th sign , but will be considered in 9th house.

Conclusion:

1. I adopt BPHS method as this goes well with Varga charts.

2. 2nd method is also effective , if one is not taking Varga charts

in consideration

3. Other methods of bhava divisions do have their merits and some

methods are full of contradictions. Their utility for places on higher latitudes

is doubtful. In any case these systems have their own methodology and give outstanding

results in some Areas.

NO METHOD IS UNIVERSALLY FOOLPROOF.

One question will arise, there are many ways of house division and then Tropical and Sidereal

systems , Still most of the savants are able to give 60 to 70% correct predictions.The reason

is hidden in Lal Kitab:

1. NATURAL ZODIAC ALWAYS STARTS FROM ARIES- 1ST HOUSE IS ARIES ,

2H IS TAURUS AND SO ON. AS SUCH MARS BEING LORD OF ARIES AND KARKA

SUN WILL HAVE THE PERMANENT INFLUENCE ON 1ST HOUSE .THIS IS ALSO APPLICABLE

TO OTHER HOUSES. MANY BHIRGU YOGA(S) ARE BASED ON THIS PRINCIPLE.

2. ANGULAR ZODIACAL ARC AMONG LAGNA ,SENSITIVE POINDS AND PLANETS

ETC. WILL REMAIN UNALTERED ,IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY SYSTEM IS ADOPTED

Maharishi Parasara has precisely explained this concept to his disciple Maitraye in chapter 3, slokas 4, 5 and 6 of BPHS:

â€œThose, celestial bodies are called the planets (Grahas) that move through the Nakshatras (or asterisms) along the Zodiac (Bhachakra). The Zodiac comprises of 27 asterisms from Aswin to Revati and also divided in 12 equal parts known as signs (Rashis) from Aries to Pisces. The Zodiac sign which contains the rising (ascending) point at the time of Birth is called Lagan (ascendant)â€. ascendant and the planets joining and separating from each other, the nativeâ€™s good and bad fortune is deductedâ€.

Kindly let me know the system adopted in Lal Kitab. I feel Method 'A' IS BEING ADOPTED.

BEST REGARDS,

G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal Sent: Friday, 31 October, 2008 12:29:28 AM Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

Sir Goel ji,The bhav system known as modus equalis or ptolemaic equal house system had been in use by a large number of the North Indian astrologers in the ancient times. It has gained popularity again because at higher latitudes there is no problem with this system. Some of us who are also learning Lal Kitab have been following this system.Sincerely,S P Khuranaancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:>> DearÃ‚ Khurana ji,> YOU ARE RIGHT. > When 16 Varga chart are castedÃ‚ , Birth sign chart acts as> one of the bhava chart .Ã‚ This is a very effective technique.> > This does not mean the savants who are constructing bhavaÃ‚

chalit charts > ( no doubt their are many ways to do it and some of them are not at all> convincingÃ‚ or logical ) do not have logic or utility. We must learn their use also.> On higher latitudes , the utility of chalit chars are doubtful.In such cases equal house division > comes to rescue.> Regards,> Ã‚ > G.K.GOEL> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal@ ...>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Monday, 27 October, 2008 10:52:08 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2> > > Sirs,> > Chalit kundali is derived after a mathematical step known

as Bhav-> spashtha technique. If we can accept divisional charts, which are a > mathematical derivation of the natal chart, then why canÃƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t we accept > yet another derivation of the natal chart known as Chalit chart. As > the divisional charts are generated from the natal chart, so is the > Chalit chart. This gives us yet another tool for studying a kundali. > No body says that the natal chart be set aside and a Chalit chart > alone be studied. I consider a Chalit chart as a refinement. Chalit > chart also takes into account, to some extent, the difference in the > people born an hour apart but in the same lagna. > > Bhava means mood/attitude/ feeling (like bhava-bhakti) . Therefore > studying a house or Bhav in a Chalit kundali makes us understand the > attitude of the planet placed in that bhav towards the >

significations the bhav represents.> > Sincerely,> > S P Khurana> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "kishore patnaik" > <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskarji,> > > > With due regard to the sentiments of those who use the chalit > chakra, I> > personally feel> > chalit chakra (usally called Bhava chart also) is not all that > useful as it> > is made out to be.> > > > More often than not, I have seen it being misused, either how a > person> > suffered or enjoyed inspite of these not being obvious in his > natal chart> > or more abusively, to explain away why a particular piece of > prophecy did> > not come true.> > > > I recall B V Raman's dictum in this connection: " What is not >

promised by> > natal chart, can not happen"> > > > I believe that Divisional charts will confirm the strength of > readings made> > out from the Natal chart and we really do not require anything > else for a> > good prophecy.> > > > This is my personal thinking and I do not mean to degrade or hurt > any> > Learned member.> > > > with best regards,> > > > Kishore patnaik> > > > > > > > I> >> > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger. / invite/>

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November 2, 2008

Respected Goel ji,

When I made a reference to equal house system, I meant what you

call `Arsha' method of Parashar. Traditionally it was this method

which had been in use. In between a few more methods got popular but

recently once again it is the same old tested parashar method which

has again gained popularity.

I use this Parashar method where, as you have said, mercury placed

in the 8th house at 29 degrees with Lagna at 10 degrees will pass on

its effects to the 9th house. Although for divisional charts etc it

would be considered in the rasi of the 8th house.

The Lal Kitab old timers do not believe in any Bhav-spashtha, and

therefore do not follow any system of houses. They take the rasi

itself as synonymous with a house whether the lagna is at 2 degrees

or 29 degrees.

I belong to a different school of Lal Kitab which believes that the

Lal Kitab is basically a system which gives importance to a Bhav [ or

khana as it calls ] as against rasi, so much so that the book

instructs that the rasi be erased altogether and the houses be

numbered all over again starting with lagna as number 1. We take it

as an indication that the bhav be given precedence over the Rasi. Had

the rasi been synonymous with house or khana then there would have

been no need to erase the rasi numbers.

Lal Kitab does take into cognizance the Kal-purush [ cardinal ]

kundali the same way as does the traditional Indian Jyotish.

With respect,

S P Khurana

, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear Khurana ji ,

> Let us not bring Ptolemy's equal house division as This will open up

> the debate Tropical verses Sidereal.

> Â In the methods when each house extends to a arc of 30 degrees,

> Â oneÂ thing is common ;

> ' The longitude of AscendingÂ point becomes the most sensitive point

> of the ascendant ie the 1st house , and the sensitive point of

other houses

> will be 30 deg. apart.Likewise sensitive point of 10th house will

fall in 10th

> sign from ascending sign and will obtain same longitude as that of

the ascending

> point in Lagna.( I n this system M.C. IS NOT CONSIDERED AS THE MID-

POINT ,

> MOST SENSITIVE POINT OR CUSP OF THE 10TH HOUSE) M.C. is however

> given prime-importance due to it and is widely used for many other

important purposes.'

>

> The above similarity apart , their are following two versions of

equal house division:

> A. ARSA METHOD- As taught by Parasara (BPHS) and Varha Mihira

(Brihat Jatak)

> Â Â Â The boundary of each Â house will be within a sign -

compartmental Method -eg if

> Â Â Â Virgo is raising than Virgo sign will represent Lagna house

and Libra will become

> Â Â Â 2nd house and so on. Every sensitive point of the house will

have the " DEEPTAMSA OF

> Â Â 15 DEG ON EITHER SIDE "

> Â Â Suppose 10 deg Virgo is risingÂ and Mercury is in 8th house

at 29 deg , it will be considers

> Â as if it is in 8th house but will pass its effect to 9th

house.In this case Mercury is Lagna lord,

> Â and its placement in 8th house is a blemish. Had it been

considered that it is placed in 9th house

> Â such a placement will prove a boon to the native.

> B. In second version , most sensitive point is considered as the

Mid-point of the house.In

> Â Â such a event though Mercury is in 8th sign , but Â will be

considered in 9th house.

>

> Conclusion:

> 1. I adopt BPHS method as this goes well with Varga charts.

> 2. 2nd method is also effective , if one is not taking Varga charts

> Â Â in consideration

> 3. Other methods of bhava divisions do have their merits andÂ some

> Â Â methods are full of contradictions. Their utility for places

on higher latitudes

> Â is doubtful. In any case these systems have their own

methodology and give outstanding

> Â results in some Areas.

> NO METHOD IS UNIVERSALLY FOOLPROOF.

>

> One question will arise, there are many ways of house division and

then Tropical and Sidereal

> systems , Still most of the savants are able to give 60 to 70%

correct predictions.The reason

> is hidden in Lal Kitab:

> 1. NATURAL ZODIAC ALWAYS STARTS FROM ARIES- 1ST HOUSEÂ Â IS ARIES ,

> Â 2H IS TAURUSÂ AND SO ON. AS SUCH MARS BEING LORD OF ARIES AND

KARKA

> Â SUN WILL HAVE THE PERMANENT INFLUENCE ON 1ST HOUSE .THISÂ IS

ALSO APPLICABLE

> Â TO OTHER HOUSES. MANY BHIRGU YOGA(S) ARE BASED ON THIS PRINCIPLE.

> 2. ANGULAR ZODIACAL ARC AMONG LAGNA ,SENSITIVE POINDS ANDÂ PLANETS

> Â Â Â ETC. WILL REMAIN UNALTERED ,IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY SYSTEM IS

ADOPTED

>

> Maharishi Parasara has precisely explained this concept to his

disciple Maitraye in chapter 3, slokas 4, 5 and 6 of BPHS:

> â€œThose, celestial bodies are called the planets (Grahas) that

move through the Nakshatras (or asterisms) along the Zodiac

(Bhachakra). The Zodiac comprises of 27 asterisms from Aswin to

Revati and also divided in 12 equal parts known as signs (Rashis)

from Aries to Pisces. The Zodiac sign which contains the rising

(ascending) point at the time of Birth is called Lagan (ascendant)

â€. ascendant and the planets joining and separating from each

other, the nativeâ€™s good and bad fortune is deductedâ€.

> Kindly let me know the system adopted in Lal Kitab. I feel

Method 'A' IS BEING ADOPTED.

> BEST REGARDS,

>

> Â G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

> ________________________________

> khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal

>

> Friday, 31 October, 2008 12:29:28 AM

> Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

>

> Sir Goel ji,

>

> The bhav system known as modus equalis or ptolemaic equal house

> system had been in use by a large number of the North Indian

> astrologers in the ancient times. It has gained popularity again

> because at higher latitudes there is no problem with this system.

> Some of us who are also learning Lal Kitab have been following this

> system.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> S P Khurana

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > DearÃ‚Â Khurana ji,

> > YOU ARE RIGHT.

> > When 16 Varga chart are castedÃ‚Â , Birth sign chart acts as

> > one of the bhava chart .Ã‚Â This is a very effective technique.

> >

> > This does not mean the savants who are constructing bhavaÃ‚Â

chalit

> charts

> > ( no doubt their are many ways to do it and some of them are not

> at all

> > convincingÃ‚Â or logical ) do not have logic or utility. We must

> learn their use also.

> > On higher latitudes , the utility of chalit chars are doubtful.In

> such cases equal house division

> > comes to rescue.

> > Regards,

> > Ã‚Â

> > G.K.GOEL

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal@ ...>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Monday, 27 October, 2008 10:52:08 PM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

> >

> > Sirs,

> >

> > Chalit kundali is derived after a mathematical step known as Bhav-

> > spashtha technique. If we can accept divisional charts, which are

> a

> > mathematical derivation of the natal chart, then why canÃƒÂ¢Ã¢

â€šÂ¬Ã¢â€žÂ¢t we

> accept

> > yet another derivation of the natal chart known as Chalit chart.

> As

> > the divisional charts are generated from the natal chart, so is

> the

> > Chalit chart. This gives us yet another tool for studying a

> kundali.

> > No body says that the natal chart be set aside and a Chalit chart

> > alone be studied. I consider a Chalit chart as a refinement.

> Chalit

> > chart also takes into account, to some extent, the difference in

> the

> > people born an hour apart but in the same lagna.

> >

> > Bhava means mood/attitude/ feeling (like bhava-bhakti) .

Therefore

> > studying a house or Bhav in a Chalit kundali makes us understand

> the

> > attitude of the planet placed in that bhav towards the

> > significations the bhav represents.

> >

> > Sincerely,

> >

> > S P Khurana

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " kishore

> patnaik "

> > <kishorepatnaik09@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Bhaskarji,

> > >

> > > With due regard to the sentiments of those who use the chalit

> > chakra, I

> > > personally feel

> > > chalit chakra (usally called Bhava chart also) is not all that

> > useful as it

> > > is made out to be.

> > >

> > > More often than not, I have seen it being misused, either how a

> > person

> > > suffered or enjoyed inspite of these not being obvious in his

> > natal chart

> > > or more abusively, to explain away why a particular piece of

> > prophecy did

> > > not come true.

> > >

> > > I recall B V Raman's dictum in this connection: " What is not

> > promised by

> > > natal chart, can not happen "

> > >

> > > I believe that Divisional charts will confirm the strength of

> > readings made

> > > out from the Natal chart and we really do not require anything

> > else for a

> > > good prophecy.

> > >

> > > This is my personal thinking and I do not mean to degrade or

> hurt

> > any

> > > Learned member.

> > >

> > > with best regards,

> > >

> > > Kishore patnaik

> > >

> > > I

> > >

> >

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> http://messenger. / invite/

> >

>

> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

http://messenger./invite/

>

November 19, 2008

Dear Khurana ji

Your mail was Â very informative.

However I will like to add that Lal Kitab do follow natural

Zodiac and Karka's as assigned by Hora shastra.

BHAVA I - sign Aries , lord Mars, Karka Sun

BH2-Â Taurus-Venus-Jupiter

BH3-Gemini-Mercury-Mars

BH4-Cancer-Moon-Moon

BH5Â -Leo-Sun-Jupiter

Bh6-Virgo-Mercury-Mars

Bh-Libra-Venus-Venus

BH8-Scorpio-Mars-Saturn

BH9-Sag.-Jup-Jup

BHÂ 10- CaE3pricorn-Sat-Mer

BH-11-Aqu.-Sat-Jup

BH12-Pisces-Jup-Sat

Now question arises, what is the bhava?

Mainly , they are of four kinds:

1-Compartmental method- one full house is contained in one sign,

ie if Virgo rises, all planets in Virgo will be considered in 1st house,

SIMILARLY Libra is 2nd house and so on.According to my understanding

Lal Kitab follows this method.

2. The house extends to 15 degrees on either side from rising degree-this

is known as equal house division.

3 The other methods propagated by Sripati and others which are based on

calculating ascending degrees and degree of M.C.

4. K.P.METHOD -in which rsing sign and M.C. acts as cusps of the houses ie

the point of commencement and not the middle point of the house as in the case

of method 2 and 3.

When I study Lal Kitab , I find 1st method is fully applicable.

You may amend me where ever you feel that I am not on right track.

Regards,

G.K.GOEL

________________________________

khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal

Monday, 3 November, 2008 6:33:11 PM

Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

Respected Goel ji,

[ 1 ] When the Lal Kitab says that khana # 1 is a pakka ghar of mars

and the karak is the sun it means :

The piece of land or the plot belongs to the Mars on which the Sun

has constructed its house and a planet posited in khana # 1 will be

treated as a tenant. Therefore when ever the results of a planet in

khana #1 are to be evaluated, one has to keep at the back of his mind

the mars and the Sun also.

The similarity or alignment with Kalpurush [ cardinal ] kundali ends

there. The kalpurush kundali simply suggests as to who owns the piece

of land or the plot on which the house is built. For the old Lal

Kitabists the rasi it self is the khana. They do not distinguish

between the rasi and the house [ khana ] as two separate entities.

But it does not indicate the dimensions of the affected area, or the

stretch of this piece of land which could be under the influence. As

any student of traditional astrology would know that the longitude of

the Ascendant is the point from where the stretch has to be measured;

it could be a deeptansh [ affected area ] of 15 degrees on either

side [ the one we young Lal Kitabists use ] or uneven. Which ever

system of the Bhav-spashtha is used the stretch of the land is to be

defined in relation to the ascendant; the ascendant is the point of

reference always.

[ 2 ] We follow the parashar system of equal house with a deepatansh

of 15 degrees on either side of the longitude of the Ascendant for

each house. Sir, this is not a new method. It is a very old

traditional tool used for refinement. Any mathematical tool which

gives us a better understanding should be used. No astrology tool is

a paddhati specific tool. All mathematical tools of astrology are

secular in that sense and can be used across paddhatis.

Sir, in case you are interested in some informative articles on the

Lal Kitab you can go to the file section of the following group which

contains more than a hundred small articles on Lal Kitab grammar and

other aspects.

http://groups. / group/lalkitab_ discussion/

With respect,

S P Khurana

ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Kuranaji,u7+ ++

> Your Mail is very informative and revealing.

> I wish to have to information:

> 1.When Lal Kitab says that 1st bhavaÂ is pakka ghar of Mars and

karka is Sun,

> Â 2HÂ is pakka ghar of VenusÂ and karka is Jupiter and so on , this

clearly means

> Â Bhava chakra is firmly aligned to Kala Pursha.Every system has to

recognise Bhava .

> Signs and planets in some or other way. Some methods of Bhrgu

astrology are based on this principle.

>

> 2. In your new methodÂ ,how do you construct bhavas ?

> Regards,

>

> Â G.K.GOEL

> >

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal@ ...>

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Monday, 3 November, 2008 12:09:17 AM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

>

> Respected Goel ji,

>

> When I made a reference to equal house system, I meant what you

> call `Arsha' method of Parashar. Traditionally it was this method

> which had been in use. In between a few more methods got popular

but

> recently once again it is the same old tested parashar method which

> has again gained popularity.

>

> I use this Parashar method where, as you have said, mercury placed

> in the 8th house at 29 degrees with Lagna at 10 degrees will pass

on

> its effects to the 9th house. Although for divisional charts etc it

> would be considered in the rasi of the 8th house.

>

> The Lal Kitab old timers do not believe in any Bhav-spashtha, and

> therefore do not follow any system of houses. They take the rasi

> itself as synonymous with a house whether the lagna is at 2 degrees

> or 29 degrees.

>

> I belong to a different school of Lal Kitab which believes that the

> Lal Kitab is basically a system which gives importance to a Bhav [

or

> khana as it calls ] as against rasi, so much so that the book

> instructs that the rasi be erased altogether and the houses be

> numbered all over again starting with lagna as number 1. We take it

> as an indication that the bhav be given precedence over the Rasi.

Had

> the rasi been synonymous with house or khana then there would have

> been no need to erase the rasi numbers.

>

> Lal Kitab does take into cognizance the Kal-purush [ cardinal ]

> kundali the same way as does the traditional Indian Jyotish.

>

> With respect,

>

> S P Khurana

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Khurana ji ,

> > Let us not bring Ptolemy's equal house division as This will open

up

> > the debate Tropical verses Sidereal.

> > Â In the methods when each house extends to a arc of 30 degrees,

> > Â oneÂ thing is common ;

> > ' The longitude of AscendingÂ point becomes the most sensitive

point

> > of the ascendant ie the 1st house , and the sensitive point of

> other houses

> > will be 30 deg. apart.Likewise sensitive point of 10th house will

> fall in 10th

> > sign from ascending sign and will obtain same longitude as that

of

> the ascending

> > point in Lagna.( I n this system M.C. IS NOT CONSIDERED AS THE

MID-

> POINT ,

> > MOST SENSITIVE POINT OR CUSP OF THE 10TH HOUSE) M.C. is however

> > given prime-importance due to it and is widely used for many

other

> important purposes.'

> >

> > The above similarity apart , their are following two versions of

> equal house division:

> > A. ARSA METHOD- As taught by Parasara (BPHS) and Varha Mihira

> (Brihat Jatak)

> > Â Â Â The boundary of each Â house will be within a sign -

> compartmental Method -eg if

> > Â Â Â Virgo is raising than Virgo sign will represent Lagna

house

> and Libra will become

> > Â Â Â 2nd house and so on. Every sensitive point of the house

will

> have the " DEEPTAMSA OF

> > Â Â 15 DEG ON EITHER SIDE "

> > Â Â Suppose 10 deg Virgo is risingÂ and Mercury is in 8th house

> at 29 deg , it will be considers

> > Â as if it is in 8th house but will pass its effect to 9th

> house.In this case Mercury is Lagna lord,

> > Â and its placement in 8th house is a blemish. Had it been

> considered that it is placed in 9th house

> > Â such a placement will prove a boon to the native.

> > B. In second version , most sensitive point is considered as the

> Mid-point of the house.In

> > Â Â such a event though Mercury is in 8th sign , but Â will be

> considered in 9th house.

> >

> > Conclusion:

> > 1. I adopt BPHS method as this goes well with Varga charts.

> > 2. 2nd method is also effective , if one is not taking Varga

charts

> > Â Â in consideration

> > 3. Other methods of bhava divisions do have their merits andÂ

some

> > Â Â methods are full of contradictions. Their utility for places

> on higher latitudes

> > Â is doubtful. In any case these systems have their own

> methodology and give outstanding

> > Â results in some Areas.

> > NO METHOD IS UNIVERSALLY FOOLPROOF.

> >

> > One question will arise, there are many ways of house division

and

> then Tropical and Sidereal

> > systems , Still most of the savants are able to give 60 to 70%

> correct predictions. The reason

> > is hidden in Lal Kitab:

> > 1. NATURAL ZODIAC ALWAYS STARTS FROM ARIES- 1ST HOUSEÂ Â IS

ARIES ,

> > Â 2H IS TAURUSÂ AND SO ON. AS SUCH MARS BEING LORD OF ARIES AND

> KARKA

> > Â SUN WILL HAVE THE PERMANENT INFLUENCE ON 1ST HOUSE .THISÂ IS

> ALSO APPLICABLE

> > Â TO OTHER HOUSES. MANY BHIRGU YOGA(S) ARE BASED ON THIS

PRINCIPLE.

> > 2. ANGULAR ZODIACAL ARC AMONG LAGNA ,SENSITIVE POINDS

ANDÂ PLANETS

> > Â Â Â ETC. WILL REMAIN UNALTERED ,IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY SYSTEM IS

> ADOPTED

> >

> > Maharishi Parasara has precisely explained this concept to his

> disciple Maitraye in chapter 3, slokas 4, 5 and 6 of BPHS:

> > â€œThose, celestial bodies are called the planets (Grahas) that

> move through the Nakshatras (or asterisms) along the Zodiac

> (Bhachakra). The Zodiac comprises of 27 asterisms from Aswin to

> Revati and also divided in 12 equal parts known as signs (Rashis)

> from Aries to Pisces. The Zodiac sign which contains the rising

> (ascending) point at the time of Birth is called Lagan (ascendant)

> â€. ascendant and the planets joining and separating from each

> other, the nativeâ€™s good and bad fortune is deductedâ€.

> > Kindly let me know the system adopted in Lal Kitab. I feel

> Method 'A' IS BEING ADOPTED.

> > BEST REGARDS,

> >

> > Â G.K.GOEL

November 19, 2008

Dear Khuranaji,

As I have read in the file section that Jupiter in 4th house will give

benefice result if Moon have not occupies the 2nd house,as per Lal

Kitab.The benefice results were stated will be applicable as it is or

other factors are involved?

The benefice result as stated :-

Added by Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji

Jupiter in 4th house : Benefic indications

[ a ] gets high education

[ b ] has the comfort of the house and vehicle

[ c ] owns cattle [ context villager ]

[ d ] gets a position of authority where he has to take decisions

[ e ] gets respect and recognition from the State.

[ f ] gets wealth from unexpected source

[ g ] fortunate for the parents.

If the above indications are there it means that the Jupiter is

acting,as a benefice.

We can confirmly say the above result,if Moon is in 5th house?

What Lal Kitab says about more planets in a house,how we will judge

the result?

Thanks,

M.S.Bohra

, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear Khurana ji

> Your mail was Â very informative.

> However I will like to add that Lal Kitab do follow natural

> Zodiac and Karka's as assigned by Hora shastra.

> BHAVA I - sign Aries , lord Mars, Karka Sun

> BH2-Â Taurus-Venus-Jupiter

> BH3-Gemini-Mercury-Mars

> BH4-Cancer-Moon-Moon

> BH5Â -Leo-Sun-Jupiter

> Bh6-Virgo-Mercury-Mars

> Bh-Libra-Venus-Venus

> BH8-Scorpio-Mars-Saturn

> BH9-Sag.-Jup-Jup

> BHÂ 10- CaE3pricorn-Sat-Mer

> BH-11-Aqu.-Sat-Jup

> BH12-Pisces-Jup-Sat

> Now question arises, what is the bhava?

> Mainly , they are of four kinds:

>

> 1-Compartmental method- one full house is contained in one sign,

> ie if Virgo rises, all planets in Virgo will be considered in 1st

house,

> SIMILARLY Libra is 2nd house and so on.According to my understanding

> Lal Kitab follows this method.

>

> 2. The house extends to 15 degrees on either side from rising

degree-this

> is known as equal house division.

>

> 3 The other methods propagated by Sripati and others which are based on

> calculating ascending degrees and degree of M.C.

>

> 4. K.P.METHOD -in which rsing sign and M.C. acts as cusps of the

houses ie

> the point of commencement and not the middle point of the house as

in the case

>

> of method 2 and 3.

> When I study Lal Kitab , I find 1st method is fully applicable.

> You may amend me where ever you feel that I am not on right track.

> Regards,

>

> G.K.GOEL

>

> ________________________________

> khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal

>

> Monday, 3 November, 2008 6:33:11 PM

> Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

>

> Respected Goel ji,

>

> [ 1 ] When the Lal Kitab says that khana # 1 is a pakka ghar of mars

> and the karak is the sun it means :

>

> The piece of land or the plot belongs to the Mars on which the Sun

> has constructed its house and a planet posited in khana # 1 will be

> treated as a tenant. Therefore when ever the results of a planet in

> khana #1 are to be evaluated, one has to keep at the back of his mind

> the mars and the Sun also.

>

> The similarity or alignment with Kalpurush [ cardinal ] kundali ends

> there. The kalpurush kundali simply suggests as to who owns the piece

> of land or the plot on which the house is built. For the old Lal

> Kitabists the rasi it self is the khana. They do not distinguish

> between the rasi and the house [ khana ] as two separate entities.

>

> But it does not indicate the dimensions of the affected area, or the

> stretch of this piece of land which could be under the influence. As

> any student of traditional astrology would know that the longitude of

> the Ascendant is the point from where the stretch has to be measured;

> it could be a deeptansh [ affected area ] of 15 degrees on either

> side [ the one we young Lal Kitabists use ] or uneven. Which ever

> system of the Bhav-spashtha is used the stretch of the land is to be

> defined in relation to the ascendant; the ascendant is the point of

> reference always.

>

> [ 2 ] We follow the parashar system of equal house with a deepatansh

> of 15 degrees on either side of the longitude of the Ascendant for

> each house. Sir, this is not a new method. It is a very old

> traditional tool used for refinement. Any mathematical tool which

> gives us a better understanding should be used. No astrology tool is

> a paddhati specific tool. All mathematical tools of astrology are

> secular in that sense and can be used across paddhatis.

>

> Sir, in case you are interested in some informative articles on the

> Lal Kitab you can go to the file section of the following group which

> contains more than a hundred small articles on Lal Kitab grammar and

> other aspects.

>

> http://groups. / group/lalkitab_ discussion/

>

> With respect,

>

> S P Khurana

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kuranaji,u7+ ++

> > Your Mail is very informative and revealing.

> > I wish to have to information:

> > 1.When Lal Kitab says that 1st bhavaÂ is pakka ghar of Mars and

> karka is Sun,

> > Â 2HÂ is pakka ghar of VenusÂ and karka is Jupiter and so on , this

> clearly means

> > Â Bhava chakra is firmly aligned to Kala Pursha.Every system has to

> recognise Bhava .

> > Signs and planets in some or other way. Some methods of Bhrgu

> astrology are based on this principle.

> >

> > 2. In your new methodÂ ,how do you construct bhavas ?

> > Regards,

> >

> > Â G.K.GOEL

> > >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > khurana_satpal <khurana_satpal@ ...>

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Monday, 3 November, 2008 12:09:17 AM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

> >

> > Respected Goel ji,

> >

> > When I made a reference to equal house system, I meant what you

> > call `Arsha' method of Parashar. Traditionally it was this method

> > which had been in use. In between a few more methods got popular

> but

> > recently once again it is the same old tested parashar method which

> > has again gained popularity.

> >

> > I use this Parashar method where, as you have said, mercury placed

> > in the 8th house at 29 degrees with Lagna at 10 degrees will pass

> on

> > its effects to the 9th house. Although for divisional charts etc it

> > would be considered in the rasi of the 8th house.

> >

> > The Lal Kitab old timers do not believe in any Bhav-spashtha, and

> > therefore do not follow any system of houses. They take the rasi

> > itself as synonymous with a house whether the lagna is at 2 degrees

> > or 29 degrees.

> >

> > I belong to a different school of Lal Kitab which believes that the

> > Lal Kitab is basically a system which gives importance to a Bhav [

> or

> > khana as it calls ] as against rasi, so much so that the book

> > instructs that the rasi be erased altogether and the houses be

> > numbered all over again starting with lagna as number 1. We take it

> > as an indication that the bhav be given precedence over the Rasi.

> Had

> > the rasi been synonymous with house or khana then there would have

> > been no need to erase the rasi numbers.

> >

> > Lal Kitab does take into cognizance the Kal-purush [ cardinal ]

> > kundali the same way as does the traditional Indian Jyotish.

> >

> > With respect,

> >

> > S P Khurana

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

> > <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Khurana ji ,

> > > Let us not bring Ptolemy's equal house division as This will open

> up

> > > the debate Tropical verses Sidereal.

> > > Â In the methods when each house extends to a arc of 30 degrees,

> > > Â oneÂ thing is common ;

> > > ' The longitude of AscendingÂ point becomes the most sensitive

> point

> > > of the ascendant ie the 1st house , and the sensitive point of

> > other houses

> > > will be 30 deg. apart.Likewise sensitive point of 10th house will

> > fall in 10th

> > > sign from ascending sign and will obtain same longitude as that

> of

> > the ascending

> > > point in Lagna.( I n this system M.C. IS NOT CONSIDERED AS THE

> MID-

> > POINT ,

> > > MOST SENSITIVE POINT OR CUSP OF THE 10TH HOUSE) M.C. is however

> > > given prime-importance due to it and is widely used for many

> other

> > important purposes.'

> > >

> > > The above similarity apart , their are following two versions of

> > equal house division:

> > > A. ARSA METHOD- As taught by Parasara (BPHS) and Varha Mihira

> > (Brihat Jatak)

> > > Â Â Â The boundary of each Â house will be within a sign -

> > compartmental Method -eg if

> > > Â Â Â Virgo is raising than Virgo sign will represent Lagna

> house

> > and Libra will become

> > > Â Â Â 2nd house and so on. Every sensitive point of the house

> will

> > have the " DEEPTAMSA OF

> > > Â Â 15 DEG ON EITHER SIDE "

> > > Â Â Suppose 10 deg Virgo is risingÂ and Mercury is in 8th house

> > at 29 deg , it will be considers

> > > Â as if it is in 8th house but will pass its effect to 9th

> > house.In this case Mercury is Lagna lord,

> > > Â and its placement in 8th house is a blemish. Had it been

> > considered that it is placed in 9th house

> > > Â such a placement will prove a boon to the native.

> > > B. In second version , most sensitive point is considered as the

> > Mid-point of the house.In

> > > Â Â such a event though Mercury is in 8th sign , but Â will be

> > considered in 9th house.

> > >

> > > Conclusion:

> > > 1. I adopt BPHS method as this goes well with Varga charts.

> > > 2. 2nd method is also effective , if one is not taking Varga

> charts

> > > Â Â in consideration

> > > 3. Other methods of bhava divisions do have their merits andÂ

> some

> > > Â Â methods are full of contradictions. Their utility for places

> > on higher latitudes

> > > Â is doubtful. In any case these systems have their own

> > methodology and give outstanding

> > > Â results in some Areas.

> > > NO METHOD IS UNIVERSALLY FOOLPROOF.

> > >

> > > One question will arise, there are many ways of house division

> and

> > then Tropical and Sidereal

> > > systems , Still most of the savants are able to give 60 to 70%

> > correct predictions. The reason

> > > is hidden in Lal Kitab:

> > > 1. NATURAL ZODIAC ALWAYS STARTS FROM ARIES- 1ST HOUSEÂ Â IS

> ARIES ,

> > > Â 2H IS TAURUSÂ AND SO ON. AS SUCH MARS BEING LORD OF ARIES AND

> > KARKA

> > > Â SUN WILL HAVE THE PERMANENT INFLUENCE ON 1ST HOUSE .THISÂ IS

> > ALSO APPLICABLE

> > > Â TO OTHER HOUSES. MANY BHIRGU YOGA(S) ARE BASED ON THIS

> PRINCIPLE.

> > > 2. ANGULAR ZODIACAL ARC AMONG LAGNA ,SENSITIVE POINDS

> ANDÂ PLANETS

> > > Â Â Â ETC. WILL REMAIN UNALTERED ,IRRESPECTIVE OF ANY SYSTEM IS

> > ADOPTED

> > >

> > > Maharishi Parasara has precisely explained this concept to his

> > disciple Maitraye in chapter 3, slokas 4, 5 and 6 of BPHS:

> > > â€œThose, celestial bodies are called the planets (Grahas) that

> > move through the Nakshatras (or asterisms) along the Zodiac

> > (Bhachakra). The Zodiac comprises of 27 asterisms from Aswin to

> > Revati and also divided in 12 equal parts known as signs (Rashis)

> > from Aries to Pisces. The Zodiac sign which contains the rising

> > (ascending) point at the time of Birth is called Lagan (ascendant)

> > â€. ascendant and the planets joining and separating from each

> > other, the nativeâ€™s good and bad fortune is deductedâ€.

> > > Kindly let me know the system adopted in Lal Kitab. I feel

> > Method 'A' IS BEING ADOPTED.

> > > BEST REGARDS,

> > >

> > > Â G.K.GOEL

>

November 21, 2008

Dear Bhaskarji,

I have one more doubt regarding Bhav Chalit Chart.

I will ask the query with an example.

If a Graha is placed in exaltation in 5th Bhav, however in Bhav Chalit chart

moves to 6th Bhav.

Then during the Maha Dahsha, will the placement of the Graha be considered from

5th Bhav or 6th Bhav.

Warm Regards

Amit Nakai

Bhaskar

Friday, October 31, 2008 3:29 PM

Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

Dear Gopalji,

Just adding my comment, and do not mean to interfere in the thread.

Any technique of House division which allows an individual to predict better

than average, would be best suited for him.

It may not neceesraily be Natal Chart or Bhava Chalit Chart, or Parashari Chalit

or Placidus chalit or equal house or unequal house. Some people predict well

using just transits. While others use ashtakvarga and predict well. Some people

make the use of nakshtaras in transits to predict well, while the others use

ashtakvarga. Some can predict well with the Navamsha chart side by side, others

can predict well by studying the Moon chart, while still others use just the

Natal chart to predict well. Actually there is no hard and fast rule. In the

hands of a expert barber, even a blunt scissor would result in giving a good

hair cut to the customer who comes to make himself look better. Too much of

searching the books or shastras for recommendations , actually does not get us

anywhere. We have to get inside the system to know the practical utility or

futility of the same.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

wrote:

>

> Dear Srinivas ji,

> Astak varga may be applied to chalit chart,

> it is in order.

> We have many methods to consruct bhava chart.

> WHICHÂ IS THE METHOD TO BE FOLLOWED?

>

> BPHS and BRIHAT JATAK both advocates that birth sign

> chart becomes Bhava chart and alsoÂ boundary of bhava is compartmentlised

> within the Â Sign.Theory of Varga chart is also based on this understanding

> Why should not we follow this method?

>

> I am not denouncingi] any theort but trying ti thik aloud.

> Â

> G.K.GOEL

>

> ________________________________

> sreeram srinivas sreeram64

>

> Saturday, 25 October, 2008 12:07:40 PM

> Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

> I remember to have read in " Ashtakvarga " by Sri C.S. Patel in his

" introductory notes " on it clearly mentions usage of Chalit chart in that book {

including examples} as the basis.Â Such a widely learned man must have some

reasons for his conclusions, as he mentioned it as based on classical

knowledgebase.

> With regards,

> Sreeram_Srinivas

> Â

>

> Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

http://messenger./invite/

>

November 21, 2008

Dear Amit ji,

I will reply with an example.

Suppose Sun is in the 5th Bhava in sign Aries, but in the Chalit moves to the 6th Bhava. Now what would be the results in the Mahadasha of the Sun ?

Read properly.

Results of a planet are always of 2 types. One is of planet placed n sign, and the another is planet placed in sign.

Whenever a planet moves to another Bhava in the chalit always remember that the results of planets placed in sign will always remain same, but results placed in Bhava number, will chnage accordingly.

In the above case The Sun will show its Fiery tendences and its exaltations will remain as it is, but the results of Bhava will change. This is like a Big Man working in a good area benefiting certain sections of the society. But when his plcement changes, he will still remain a big man, but maybe he will now work for som other elements which may not benefit the sections of the society, had he been placed in the former position.

Sun in 5th will give a dashing child who will love his father, Sun in 6th will give a dashing shild who will now be inimical to his father. Sun in 5thin his Mahadasha will give relief from diseases to the native. But now Sun in 6th will become the cause for diseases. The Sun in 5th will give loge affairs of a lastin nature to the native if he is unmarried, but the Sun in 6th will give lofe afafirs which will break without fail, after a short entanglement. The Sun in 5th in his Mahadasha will give more benefits to the partner if he is partnershio, while the Sun in his Mahadasha will give morefinancialreturns to the native if he is in partnership. The Sun in his Mahadasha will give love and affections with his wife ifplaced in 5th, but will give lack of compatibility with his wife if placed in 6th . Etc. Etc.

Hope the above is quite clear. Remember here that the Sun will not takeup the characteristics of the Earthy sign Taurus, but remain with the Odd and Fiery characteristsic, except the Bhava results will change.

Which is why you see many times the planet in 11th not giving Dhana Yogas to the native because if the astrologer checks with the Chalit chart, the planet may have moved either to the 10th or the 11th.

Bhaskar.

Note to the Moderator- I have stopped writing much on this forum because of the reasons that I find many of my postings missing from this forum, when I go back to retrieve some important one. I dont mind if thejokes and the nonsensical postings are removed and deleted for want of space, but the ones like above, take up time, and energy and are informative, and cannot bere-written again, and these help the astrologers who are either new students, or the old astrologers new to this approach, hence I kindly request the moderators never to delete the informative postings which are educative for the general lot of the astrologers.

, "Amit Nakai" <amit.nakai wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji,> > I have one more doubt regarding Bhav Chalit Chart.> > I will ask the query with an example.> > If a Graha is placed in exaltation in 5th Bhav, however in Bhav Chalit chart moves to 6th Bhav.> Then during the Maha Dahsha, will the placement of the Graha be considered from 5th Bhav or 6th Bhav.> > Warm Regards> Amit Nakai> > > Bhaskar> Friday, October 31, 2008 3:29 PM> > Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2> > > > Dear Gopalji,> > Just adding my comment, and do not mean to interfere in the thread.> > Any technique of House division which allows an individual to predict better than average, would be best suited for him.> > It may not neceesraily be Natal Chart or Bhava Chalit Chart, or Parashari Chalit or Placidus chalit or equal house or unequal house. Some people predict well using just transits. While others use ashtakvarga and predict well. Some people make the use of nakshtaras in transits to predict well, while the others use ashtakvarga. Some can predict well with the Navamsha chart side by side, others can predict well by studying the Moon chart, while still others use just the Natal chart to predict well. Actually there is no hard and fast rule. In the hands of a expert barber, even a blunt scissor would result in giving a good hair cut to the customer who comes to make himself look better. Too much of searching the books or shastras for recommendations , actually does not get us anywhere. We have to get inside the system to know the practical utility or futility of the same.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskar.> > > > > , Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Srinivas ji,> > Astak varga may be applied to chalit chart,> > it is in order.> > We have many methods to consruct bhava chart.> > WHICHÂ IS THE METHOD TO BE FOLLOWED?> >> > BPHS and BRIHAT JATAK both advocates that birth sign> > chart becomes Bhava chart and alsoÂ boundary of bhava is compartmentlised> > within the Â Sign.Theory of Varga chart is also based on this understanding> > Why should not we follow this method?> >> > I am not denouncingi] any theort but trying ti thik aloud.> > Â> > G.K.GOEL> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________> > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@> > > > Saturday, 25 October, 2008 12:07:40 PM> > Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2> >> >> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > I remember to have read in "Ashtakvarga" by Sri C.S. Patel in his "introductory notes" on it clearly mentions usage of Chalit chart in that book { including examples} as the basis.Â Such a widely learned man must have some reasons for his conclusions, as he mentioned it as based on classical knowledgebase.> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas> > Â> >> >> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/> >>

November 21, 2008

Thanks Bhaskarji,

for the informative reply.

Warm Regards

Amit Nakai

Bhaskar

Friday, November 21, 2008 11:17 PM

Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

Dear Amit ji,

I will reply with an example.

Suppose Sun is in the 5th Bhava in sign Aries, but in the Chalit moves to the

6th Bhava. Now what would be the results in the Mahadasha of the Sun ?

Read properly.

Results of a planet are always of 2 types. One is of planet placed n sign, and

the another is planet placed in sign.

Whenever a planet moves to another Bhava in the chalit always remember that the

results of planets placed in sign will always remain same, but results placed in

Bhava number, will chnage accordingly.

In the above case The Sun will show its Fiery tendences and its exaltations will

remain as it is, but the results of Bhava will change. This is like a Big Man

working in a good area benefiting certain sections of the society. But when his

plcement changes, he will still remain a big man, but maybe he will now work for

som other elements which may not benefit the sections of the society, had he

been placed in the former position.

Sun in 5th will give a dashing child who will love his father, Sun in 6th will

give a dashing shild who will now be inimical to his father. Sun in 5thin his

Mahadasha will give relief from diseases to the native. But now Sun in 6th will

become the cause for diseases. The Sun in 5th will give loge affairs of a lastin

nature to the native if he is unmarried, but the Sun in 6th will give lofe

afafirs which will break without fail, after a short entanglement. The Sun in

5th in his Mahadasha will give more benefits to the partner if he is

partnershio, while the Sun in his Mahadasha will give morefinancialreturns to

the native if he is in partnership. The Sun in his Mahadasha will give love and

affections with his wife ifplaced in 5th, but will give lack of compatibility

with his wife if placed in 6th . Etc. Etc.

Hope the above is quite clear. Remember here that the Sun will not takeup the

characteristics of the Earthy sign Taurus, but remain with the Odd and Fiery

characteristsic, except the Bhava results will change.

Which is why you see many times the planet in 11th not giving Dhana Yogas to the

native because if the astrologer checks with the Chalit chart, the planet may

have moved either to the 10th or the 11th.

Bhaskar.

Note to the Moderator- I have stopped writing much on this forum because of the

reasons that I find many of my postings missing from this forum, when I go back

to retrieve some important one. I dont mind if thejokes and the nonsensical

postings are removed and deleted for want of space, but the ones like above,

take up time, and energy and are informative, and cannot bere-written again, and

these help the astrologers who are either new students, or the old astrologers

new to this approach, hence I kindly request the moderators never to delete the

informative postings which are educative for the general lot of the astrologers.

, " Amit Nakai " <amit.nakai

wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

> I have one more doubt regarding Bhav Chalit Chart.

>

> I will ask the query with an example.

>

> If a Graha is placed in exaltation in 5th Bhav, however in Bhav Chalit chart

moves to 6th Bhav.

> Then during the Maha Dahsha, will the placement of the Graha be considered

from 5th Bhav or 6th Bhav.

>

> Warm Regards

> Amit Nakai

>

> Bhaskar

> Friday, October 31, 2008 3:29 PM

>

> Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

>

> Dear Gopalji,

>

> Just adding my comment, and do not mean to interfere in the thread.

>

> Any technique of House division which allows an individual to predict better

than average, would be best suited for him.

>

> It may not neceesraily be Natal Chart or Bhava Chalit Chart, or Parashari

Chalit or Placidus chalit or equal house or unequal house. Some people predict

well using just transits. While others use ashtakvarga and predict well. Some

people make the use of nakshtaras in transits to predict well, while the others

use ashtakvarga. Some can predict well with the Navamsha chart side by side,

others can predict well by studying the Moon chart, while still others use just

the Natal chart to predict well. Actually there is no hard and fast rule. In the

hands of a expert barber, even a blunt scissor would result in giving a good

hair cut to the customer who comes to make himself look better. Too much of

searching the books or shastras for recommendations , actually does not get us

anywhere. We have to get inside the system to know the practical utility or

futility of the same.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Srinivas ji,

> > Astak varga may be applied to chalit chart,

> > it is in order.

> > We have many methods to consruct bhava chart.

> > WHICHÂ IS THE METHOD TO BE FOLLOWED?

> >

> > BPHS and BRIHAT JATAK both advocates that birth sign

> > chart becomes Bhava chart and alsoÂ boundary of bhava is compartmentlised

> > within the Â Sign.Theory of Varga chart is also based on this understanding

> > Why should not we follow this method?

> >

> > I am not denouncingi] any theort but trying ti thik aloud.

> > Â

> > G.K.GOEL

> >

> > ________________________________

> > sreeram srinivas sreeram64@

> >

> > Saturday, 25 October, 2008 12:07:40 PM

> > Re: Bhava Chalit - Part 2

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar ji,

> > I remember to have read in " Ashtakvarga " by Sri C.S. Patel in his

" introductory notes " on it clearly mentions usage of Chalit chart in that book {

including examples} as the basis.Â Such a widely learned man must have some

reasons for his conclusions, as he mentioned it as based on classical

knowledgebase.

> > With regards,

> > Sreeram_Srinivas

> > Â

> >

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

http://messenger./invite/

> >

>

November 22, 2008

Dear Bhaskarji,

Is there any remedy for getting the results of say 5th Bhav for SUN, while in

Bhav Chalit Chart SUN moves to 6th Bhav, for receiving results of 5th Bhava for

SUN during the mahadasha.

In general of the native strengthens or performs remedies of SUN, then will the

results of 6th Bhav be magnified or will he be able to receive the results of

SUN in 5th Bhav.

I might be troubling a lot with queries, however I want to get the fundamentals

right.