Research data for medical-astrology

August 16, 2008

Dear

Bala ji,

Yes,

one more thing, the question asked was about the nature of disease and my

interest was not in that but instead my interest was in timing of event and

just practicing the laws that Guru ji had given to

us.

There

have been very wonderful attempts on that list so maybe you can study those and

get some more depth into it. Neelam ji has given wonderful explanation.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of Balasubramanian

Friday August 15, 2008 1:29

PM

To:

Subject:

Re: Research data for medical-astrology

Dear

Ash Ji,

That is an interesting set of charts you have given for furthering our thoughts

on the subject.

With my little knowledge about KAS, I am making an attempt on the charts.

I was interested in 3 things:

First is the Main Period Lord, second is the reason for death and the third is

the type of death.

Main Period Lord:

1. For the timing of events such as death, Main Period Lord is also to be

considered as per a message I read in the archives. And of course the general

rule says that the main period is that of Karaka planet or its SD. So I tried

to correlate the MPL with the karaka for death. I did not touch the sub period

lord as you have already given the probable dates. Further when I went through

the entire message link in the ancient-indian-astrology group, I find that the

exact date of death is not known. However, since it is mentioned that the death

happened within a year or two of birth, you have probably worked out the sub

periods. So, for the same reason, I took up the MPL based on your fixation of

Sub-lord.

Rules I found for fixing the MPL:

a. Event would generally be limited to the house for which the MPL is the FK

and then for the houses for which it is NK. It may also take place for which MPL is

karaka for house D & E. (This point I am not able to understand)

Chart

MPL

MPL is

FK for

NK for

NSD to

FSD to

12/09/2006

Su

1st

10th

Ma

Ve, Ma

05/05/2006

Me

3rd & 12th

8th & 11th

Su, Sa

08/08/2006

Su

6th

10th

Ma

Me, Ve, Sa

19/10/2005

Me

4th & 7th

8th & 11th

Su, Ju, Sa, Ma

16/03/2006

Mo

7th

9th

Ma

Ke, Me

19/02/2006

Ra-Ju/Sa

for Ju-7 & 10

for Sa-8 & 9

for Ju-2 & 5

for Sa-3 & 4

Sa-Ve

for Ju-Mo, Sa, Ve

for Sa-Mo, Ju, Ve

08/12/2005

Ra-Ju/Me

for Ju-9 & 12

for Me-3 & 6

for Ju-2 & 5

for Me-8 & 11

for Ju-Sa

for Me-Su,Mo

27/12/2005

Ju

3 & 6

2nd & 5th

Mo, Sa

b.

If death occurs in the 3rd Lord's Mahadasa or its SD, then it might be an

indicator of a more natural death rather than by some other means. The Mahadasa

is important at the time of death as it shows the karaka and reason for death.

Chart

MPL

3rd lord

Planet in 3rd

with

more than 4 points

NSD to

3rd lord

FSD to

3rd lord

Event

12/09/2006

Su

JU

Ra-Ju/Ju(5)

Sa, Ma

Rule

does not fit in.

05/05/2006

Me

Sa

Ve

Mo, Ve

Rule

does not fit in.

08/08/2006

Su

Ve

Planet Ju not taken as

only 3 points

Sa

Su, Me, Sa, Mo

Mahadasa

Lord is FSD

to 3rd Lord Ve.

19/10/2005

Me

Ma

Planet Ve not taken as

only 4 points

Su

Mo, Ve

Rule

does not fit in.

16/03/2006

Mo

Me

Mo (8 points)

Ke-Ju/Sa - Only Ju

which has 6 points

Ve

Planet in 3rd-Mo having

8 points triggered the event

19/02/2006

Ra-Ju/Sa

Sa

for Sa-Ve

Mo, Ju, Ve

Mahadasa lord Ra which is like

Ju is SD to 3rd lord Sa

08/12/2005

Ra-Ju/Me

Ma

Su & Me not taken as

only 4 points

Su

Ve, Su

Rule

does not fit in.

27/12/2005

Ju

Ve

Sa

Ju

Mahadasa lord Ju is SD

to 3rd lord Ve.

From

the above I find that in 4 cases the rule does not apply. So went to the next

rule which says:

c.

If death is due to illness, then karaka for 6th is to be seen. If death is due

to accident, then karaka for 2nd is to be looked into and if death is delayed

after accident then karaka for 1st is seen. If death is due to action of law..

ex. execution etc., then karaka for 7th is to be taken.

In the present case all the deaths were due to illness which had come right

from 1.5 months of pregnancy. Hence I thought it should not be treated as a

natural death. So I applied the 2nd rule i.e. I took the karaka for the 6th

house.

Here is the list of karakas for all the charts along with the MPL and its

relation to the karaka. Focus house is 6th.:

Chart

FK for

6th house

NK for

6th house

MPL

Relation of MPL

to karaka (NK, FK or planet

placed in karaka house)

12/09/2006

Sa

Ma

Su

is placed in Navamsa of Ma-Hence SD to Su

Also Ma and Su are natural SDs.

05/05/2006

Ju

Ma

Me

Ma

and Ke are in 4-10 relationship. Ke is like Me or Su.

Karaka for D is Me.

08/08/2006

Su

Ma

Su

FK

and MPL are same. Ma is placed in Karaka house

19/10/2005

Me

Ma

Me

FK

and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is

placed in karaka house and is like Me (Virgo)

16/03/2006

Mo

Ma

Mo

FK

and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Ma.

19/02/2006

Ma

Ra

Rahu

is like Ju and/or Sa. Ma is placed in Navamsa of Ju-

Hence becomes SD to Ju. Also karaka for house E is Ma.

08/12/2005

Me

Ma

Ra

is like Ju and/or Me. So MPL is Me and equates to FK.

Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is placed in karaka house who

will behave like Me (Vi)

27/12/2005

Ju

Ma

Ju

FK

and MPL are same. Ra is placed in A6 and will behave

like Ju (Pi)

So

we can conclude that the death was due to illness denoted as above and this

forms the reason for the death.

However

I found in one message that the (a) 8th house indicates death-house B; (b) 3rd

house indicates the reason for death-Karakatwa-house A; © 12th indicates the

type of death-house C.

From

the messages in the ancient-indian-astrology group, I find that the reason for

the death was:

" All

children had a bulge/lump in the lower region of the spinal chord at the back.

and the name of this disease is " meningocoele " . The cause of disease was beause of deficiency of

some vitamins. Bulandshahr is basically an agriculture based district in

Western U.P.. The disease occurred in mostly rural area surrounding this

district. Many of the children had their legs paralyzed. "

How

to fix this in our KAS - both for reason for death and type of death.

Bala

--- In

, " Ash's Corner "

<kas wrote:

>

> Dear Shyam ji,

>

> If possible can you get the exact dates of deaths. I am very interested in

> timing of events.

>

> Here is my analysis. I am short of time, so am not writing up the details.

> I have just highlighted the key points.

>

> Notes for Readers

>

> Main thing to observe as per KAS is that each death was linked to highest

> power planet or related to 1st or 5th house / lord.

>

> For the readers

>

> LoE = 1st house lord

> LoD = 5th house lord.

>

> When I make a reference to Highest power I mean the highest power for 8th

> house in KAS as per KAS program.

>

> 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs,

>

> Saturn 2007-May-21

> 2008-May-02

> Mercury 2008-May-02

> 2009-Mar-09

>

> Highest points, Sa is lagna so LoD and Me is SD to Sa in navamsa

>

> 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs

>

> Jupiter 2004-May-05

> 2006-Aug-10

> Saturn 2006-Aug-10

> 2009-Apr-20

>

> Ju is lagna lord. LoE.

>

> Me/Ju

>

> 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs

>

> Ketu 2008-Jan-27

> 2008-Jun-03

> Venus 2008-Jun-03

> 2009-Jun-03

>

> Ketu is SD to Sun. Sun is Lagna lord. LoE

>

> 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs

>

> Jupiter 2004-Apr-30

> 2006-Dec-30

> Saturn 2006-Dec-30

> 2010-Mar-01

>

> Ve/Sa. Sa is highest power planet and LoD. Ve is in 3rd house. This is

> with Cancer lagna.

>

> Here in this case lagna is at the very border, a very slight change in

birth

> time.

>

> With Leo lagna, Sa has the highest power and Ju is LoD. So both can give

> death.

>

> If exact time is known it will be good learning.

>

> 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs

>

> Saturn 2004-Dec-09

> 2006-Jul-10

> Mercury 2006-Jul-10

> 2007-Dec-09

> Ketu 2007-Dec-09

> 2008-Jul-09

>

> Sa and Me are weak.

> Death might happen in Ketu. Ketu is SD to Mo and Mo is highest power

planet

> and LoE.

>

> 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs

>

> Ra/Ra

>

> Rahu 2004-Feb-24

> 2006-Nov-06

> Jupiter 2006-Nov-06

> 2009-Apr-01

>

> Ra is in 5th house so LoD

>

> 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs

>

> Venus 2004-Dec-01

> 2007-Dec-01

> Sun 2007-Dec-01

> 2008-Oct-25

>

> Death might have happened in Venus

>

> Ve is 3rd highest, in Hosue D with 4 bindus and FSD to Sa in navamsa who

is

> LoD.

>

> 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs

>

> Saturn 2005-Jun-29

> 2008-Jan-10

> Mercury 2008-Jan-10

> 2010-Apr-17

>

> Sa is highest power planet and in 4:10 with Ju who is LoE and Sa is in

House

> D.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> On Behalf Of Shyam S.

> Kansal

> Tuesday August 12, 2008 4:27 AM

>

> Research data for medical-astrology

>

> Dear Jyotish scholars

>

> I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly qualified

> medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well

> maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting

> down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth-data

> as per diseases.

>

> I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such

> cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a

> year of their birth.

>

> Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr "

(India),

> 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00

>

> All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'.

>

> 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs,

> 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs

> 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs

> 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs

> 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs

> 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs

> 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs

> 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs

>

> All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died

> with a year or two of their birth.

>

> Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body

affected by

> disease " ?

>

> And also, what made these children so short-lived?

>

> Warm regards,

> Shyam S. Kansal

>

August 16, 2008

Dear Ash ji,

Yes. You are correct. Guruji explained on how many occassions he had

problem while discussing the event of death. Not only he but even your

burning of Laptop and Donna's problems everything he explained in

detail.

May be some super natural power is preventing us in discussing about the

same.

Even for me, while posting my message, first time after pressing the

send button, I got disconnected from the Net abruptly and only in the

second attempt I was successful. Immediately I remebered Guru's

experiences. Now yours is also added to that.

May be, we may have to wait for some more time to take up the topic. As

you suggested, I will also refrain from taking up the topic henceforth.

Let us wait and see.

Bala

, " Ash's Corner "

<kas wrote:

>

> Dear Bala ji,

>

> This time again, some very strange phenomenon occurred when I was

about to

> discuss this with Guruji.

>

> Guruji's computer got spoilt just about the time I started to talk

about

> this topic of Death.

>

> Time and time again, this experience I have experienced and have

written

> about it many times on the list sharing my experience.

>

> I am not even going to begin to explore this further and now after

this

> incident have no desire at all to go into this topic.

>

> Something or some higher power is time and again stopping me. So I

must

> respect that.

>

> I shall not be studying this topic, till I get the green signal from

Guruji

> and the higher powers.

>

> So many times, this thing has happened, it can't be a coincidence.

>

> So many times even Guruji tried to give a write up on this topic and

his

> mails never reached the list. Why?

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> On Behalf Of

> Balasubramanian

> Friday August 15, 2008 1:29 PM

>

> Re: Research data for

medical-astrology

>

> Dear Ash Ji,

>

> That is an interesting set of charts you have given for furthering our

> thoughts on the subject.

>

> With my little knowledge about KAS, I am making an attempt on the

charts.

>

> I was interested in 3 things:

> First is the Main Period Lord, second is the reason for death and the

third

> is the type of death.

>

> Main Period Lord:

>

> 1. For the timing of events such as death, Main Period Lord is also to

be

> considered as per a message I read in the archives. And of course the

> general rule says that the main period is that of Karaka planet or its

SD.

> So I tried to correlate the MPL with the karaka for death. I did not

touch

> the sub period lord as you have already given the probable dates.

Further

> when I went through the entire message link in the

ancient-indian-astrology

> group, I find that the exact date of death is not known. However,

since it

> is mentioned that the death happened within a year or two of birth,

you have

> probably worked out the sub periods. So, for the same reason, I took

up the

> MPL based on your fixation of Sub-lord.

>

> Rules I found for fixing the MPL:

>

> a. Event would generally be limited to the house for which the MPL is

the FK

> and then for the houses for which it is NK. It may also take place for

which

> MPL is karaka for house D & E. (This point I am not able to

understand)

>

> Chart

> MPL

> MPL is

>

> FK for

> NK for

> NSD to

> FSD to

>

> 12/09/2006

> Su

> 1st

> 10th

> Ma

> Ve, Ma

>

> 05/05/2006

> Me

> 3rd & 12th

> 8th & 11th

>

> Su, Sa

>

> 08/08/2006

> Su

> 6th

> 10th

> Ma

> Me, Ve, Sa

>

> 19/10/2005

> Me

> 4th & 7th

> 8th & 11th

>

> Su, Ju, Sa, Ma

>

> 16/03/2006

> Mo

> 7th

> 9th

> Ma

> Ke, Me

>

> 19/02/2006

> Ra-Ju/Sa

> for Ju-7 & 10

> for Sa-8 & 9

> for Ju-2 & 5

> for Sa-3 & 4

> Sa-Ve

> for Ju-Mo, Sa, Ve

> for Sa-Mo, Ju, Ve

>

> 08/12/2005

> Ra-Ju/Me

> for Ju-9 & 12

> for Me-3 & 6

> for Ju-2 & 5

> for Me-8 & 11

>

> for Ju-Sa

> for Me-Su,Mo

>

> 27/12/2005

> Ju

> 3 & 6

> 2nd & 5th

>

> Mo, Sa

> b. If death occurs in the 3rd Lord's Mahadasa or its SD, then it might

be an

> indicator of a more natural death rather than by some other means. The

> Mahadasa is important at the time of death as it shows the karaka and

reason

> for death.

>

> Chart

> MPL

> 3rd lord

> Planet in 3rd with

> more than 4 points

> NSD to

> 3rd lord

> FSD to

> 3rd lord

> Event

>

> 12/09/2006

> Su

> JU

> Ra-Ju/Ju(5)

>

> Sa, Ma

> Rule does not fit in.

>

> 05/05/2006

> Me

> Sa

>

> Ve

> Mo, Ve

> Rule does not fit in.

>

> 08/08/2006

> Su

> Ve

> Planet Ju not taken as

> only 3 points

> Sa

> Su, Me, Sa, Mo

> Mahadasa Lord is FSD

> to 3rd Lord Ve.

>

> 19/10/2005

> Me

> Ma

> Planet Ve not taken as

> only 4 points

> Su

> Mo, Ve

> Rule does not fit in.

>

> 16/03/2006

> Mo

> Me

> Mo (8 points)

> Ke-Ju/Sa - Only Ju

> which has 6 points

>

> Ve

> Planet in 3rd-Mo having

> 8 points triggered the event

>

> 19/02/2006

> Ra-Ju/Sa

> Sa

>

> for Sa-Ve

> Mo, Ju, Ve

> Mahadasa lord Ra which is like

> Ju is SD to 3rd lord Sa

>

> 08/12/2005

> Ra-Ju/Me

> Ma

> Su & Me not taken as

> only 4 points

> Su

> Ve, Su

> Rule does not fit in.

>

> 27/12/2005

> Ju

> Ve

>

> Sa

> Ju

> Mahadasa lord Ju is SD

> to 3rd lord Ve.

> From the above I find that in 4 cases the rule does not apply. So went

to

> the next rule which says:

> c. If death is due to illness, then karaka for 6th is to be seen. If

death

> is due to accident, then karaka for 2nd is to be looked into and if

death is

> delayed after accident then karaka for 1st is seen. If death is due to

> action of law.. ex. execution etc., then karaka for 7th is to be

taken.

>

> In the present case all the deaths were due to illness which had come

right

> from 1.5 months of pregnancy. Hence I thought it should not be treated

as a

> natural death. So I applied the 2nd rule i.e. I took the karaka for

the 6th

> house.

>

> Here is the list of karakas for all the charts along with the MPL and

its

> relation to the karaka. Focus house is 6th.:

>

> Chart

> FK for

> 6th house

> NK for

> 6th house

> MPL

> Relation of MPL to karaka (NK, FK or planet

> placed in karaka house)

>

> 12/09/2006

> Sa

> Ma

> Su

> Su is placed in Navamsa of Ma-Hence SD to Su

> Also Ma and Su are natural SDs.

>

> 05/05/2006

> Ju

> Ma

> Me

> Ma and Ke are in 4-10 relationship. Ke is like Me or Su.

> Karaka for D is Me.

>

> 08/08/2006

> Su

> Ma

> Su

> FK and MPL are same. Ma is placed in Karaka house

>

> 19/10/2005

> Me

> Ma

> Me

> FK and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is

> placed in karaka house and is like Me (Virgo)

>

> 16/03/2006

> Mo

> Ma

> Mo

> FK and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Ma.

>

> 19/02/2006

> Ma

> Ra

> Rahu is like Ju and/or Sa. Ma is placed in Navamsa of Ju-

> Hence becomes SD to Ju. Also karaka for house E is Ma.

>

> 08/12/2005

> Me

> Ma

> Ra

> Ra is like Ju and/or Me. So MPL is Me and equates to FK.

> Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is placed in karaka house who

> will behave like Me (Vi)

>

> 27/12/2005

> Ju

> Ma

> Ju

> FK and MPL are same. Ra is placed in A6 and will behave

> like Ju (Pi)

> So we can conclude that the death was due to illness denoted as above

and

> this forms the reason for the death.

> However I found in one message that the (a) 8th house indicates

death-house

> B; (b) 3rd house indicates the reason for death-Karakatwa-house A; ©

12th

> indicates the type of death-house C.

> From the messages in the ancient-indian-astrology group, I find that

the

> reason for the death was:

> " All children had a bulge/lump in the lower region of the spinal chord

at

> the back. and the name of this disease is " meningocoele " . The cause of

> disease was beause of deficiency of some vitamins. Bulandshahr is

basically

> an agriculture based district in Western U.P.. The disease occurred in

> mostly rural area surrounding this district. Many of the children had

their

> legs paralyzed. "

> How to fix this in our KAS - both for reason for death and type of

death.

> Bala

> , " Ash's Corner@ "

> kas@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shyam ji,

> >

> > If possible can you get the exact dates of deaths. I am very

interested in

> > timing of events.

> >

> > Here is my analysis. I am short of time, so am not writing up the

details.

> > I have just highlighted the key points.

> >

> > Notes for Readers

> >

> > Main thing to observe as per KAS is that each death was linked to

highest

> > power planet or related to 1st or 5th house / lord.

> >

> > For the readers

> >

> > LoE = 1st house lord

> > LoD = 5th house lord.

> >

> > When I make a reference to Highest power I mean the highest power

for 8th

> > house in KAS as per KAS program.

> >

> > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs,

> >

> > Saturn 2007-May-21

> > 2008-May-02

> > Mercury 2008-May-02

> > 2009-Mar-09

> >

> > Highest points, Sa is lagna so LoD and Me is SD to Sa in navamsa

> >

> > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs

> >

> > Jupiter 2004-May-05

> > 2006-Aug-10

> > Saturn 2006-Aug-10

> > 2009-Apr-20

> >

> > Ju is lagna lord. LoE.

> >

> > Me/Ju

> >

> > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs

> >

> > Ketu 2008-Jan-27

> > 2008-Jun-03

> > Venus 2008-Jun-03

> > 2009-Jun-03

> >

> > Ketu is SD to Sun. Sun is Lagna lord. LoE

> >

> > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs

> >

> > Jupiter 2004-Apr-30

> > 2006-Dec-30

> > Saturn 2006-Dec-30

> > 2010-Mar-01

> >

> > Ve/Sa. Sa is highest power planet and LoD. Ve is in 3rd house. This

is

> > with Cancer lagna.

> >

> > Here in this case lagna is at the very border, a very slight change

in

> birth

> > time.

> >

> > With Leo lagna, Sa has the highest power and Ju is LoD. So both can

give

> > death.

> >

> > If exact time is known it will be good learning.

> >

> > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs

> >

> > Saturn 2004-Dec-09

> > 2006-Jul-10

> > Mercury 2006-Jul-10

> > 2007-Dec-09

> > Ketu 2007-Dec-09

> > 2008-Jul-09

> >

> > Sa and Me are weak.

> > Death might happen in Ketu. Ketu is SD to Mo and Mo is highest power

> planet

> > and LoE.

> >

> > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs

> >

> > Ra/Ra

> >

> > Rahu 2004-Feb-24

> > 2006-Nov-06

> > Jupiter 2006-Nov-06

> > 2009-Apr-01

> >

> > Ra is in 5th house so LoD

> >

> > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs

> >

> > Venus 2004-Dec-01

> > 2007-Dec-01

> > Sun 2007-Dec-01

> > 2008-Oct-25

> >

> > Death might have happened in Venus

> >

> > Ve is 3rd highest, in Hosue D with 4 bindus and FSD to Sa in navamsa

who

> is

> > LoD.

> >

> > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs

> >

> > Saturn 2005-Jun-29

> > 2008-Jan-10

> > Mercury 2008-Jan-10

> > 2010-Apr-17

> >

> > Sa is highest power planet and in 4:10 with Ju who is LoE and Sa is

in

> House

> > D.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > On Behalf Of Shyam

S.

> > Kansal

> > Tuesday August 12, 2008 4:27 AM

> >

> > Research data for

medical-astrology

> >

> > Dear Jyotish scholars

> >

> > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly

qualified

> > medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well

> > maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting

> > down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these

birth-data

> > as per diseases.

> >

> > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of

such

> > cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within

a

> > year of their birth.

> >

> > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr " (India),

> > 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00

> >

> > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'.

> >

> > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs,

> > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs

> > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs

> > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs

> > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs

> > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs

> > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs

> > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs

> >

> > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and

died

> > with a year or two of their birth.

> >

> > Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body affected

by

> > disease " ?

> >

> > And also, what made these children so short-lived?

> >

> > Warm regards,

> > Shyam S. Kansal

> >

>

August 17, 2008

Dear

Bala ji,

You

too were disconnected the first time eh !!! wow....

This

in my opinion is definitely a sign.

Initially I too dismissed these small signs and later the magnitude of

them increased.

Now

you too have experienced such a sign.

It

just affirms my thinking that some higher powers are at play here preventing us

at this point in time.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of Balasubramanian

Saturday August 16, 2008

8:58 PM

Subject:

Re: Research data for medical-astrology

Dear Ash ji,

Yes. You are correct. Guruji explained on how many occassions he had

problem while discussing the event of death. Not only he but even your

burning of Laptop and Donna's problems everything he explained in

detail.

May be some super natural power is preventing us in discussing about the

same.

Even for me, while posting my message, first time after pressing the

send button, I got disconnected from the Net abruptly and only in the

second attempt I was successful. Immediately I remebered Guru's

experiences. Now yours is also added to that.

May be, we may have to wait for some more time to take up the topic. As

you suggested, I will also refrain from taking up the topic henceforth.

Let us wait and see.

Bala

,

" Ash's Corner "

<kas wrote:

>

> Dear Bala ji,

>

> This time again, some very strange phenomenon occurred when I was

about to

> discuss this with Guruji.

>

> Guruji's computer got spoilt just about the time I started to talk

about

> this topic of Death.

>

> Time and time again, this experience I have experienced and have

written

> about it many times on the list sharing my experience.

>

> I am not even going to begin to explore this further and now after

this

> incident have no desire at all to go into this topic.

>

> Something or some higher power is time and again stopping me. So I

must

> respect that.

>

> I shall not be studying this topic, till I get the green signal from

Guruji

> and the higher powers.

>

> So many times, this thing has happened, it can't be a coincidence.

>

> So many times even Guruji tried to give a write up on this topic and

his

> mails never reached the list. Why?

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/>

http://www.ashtro.ca

>

On Behalf Of

> Balasubramanian

> Friday August 15, 2008 1:29 PM

>

> Re: Research data for

medical-astrology

>

> Dear Ash Ji,

>

> That is an interesting set of charts you have given for furthering our

> thoughts on the subject.

>

> With my little knowledge about KAS, I am making an attempt on the

charts.

>

> I was interested in 3 things:

> First is the Main Period Lord, second is the reason for death and the

third

> is the type of death.

>

> Main Period Lord:

>

> 1. For the timing of events such as death, Main Period Lord is also to

be

> considered as per a message I read in the archives. And of course the

> general rule says that the main period is that of Karaka planet or its

SD.

> So I tried to correlate the MPL with the karaka for death. I did not

touch

> the sub period lord as you have already given the probable dates.

Further

> when I went through the entire message link in the

ancient-indian-astrology

> group, I find that the exact date of death is not known. However,

since it

> is mentioned that the death happened within a year or two of birth,

you have

> probably worked out the sub periods. So, for the same reason, I took

up the

> MPL based on your fixation of Sub-lord.

>

> Rules I found for fixing the MPL:

>

> a. Event would generally be limited to the house for which the MPL is

the FK

> and then for the houses for which it is NK. It may also take place for

which

> MPL is karaka for house D & E. (This point I am not able to

understand)

>

> Chart

> MPL

> MPL is

>

> FK for

> NK for

> NSD to

> FSD to

>

> 12/09/2006

> Su

> 1st

> 10th

> Ma

> Ve, Ma

>

> 05/05/2006

> Me

> 3rd & 12th

> 8th & 11th

>

> Su, Sa

>

> 08/08/2006

> Su

> 6th

> 10th

> Ma

> Me, Ve, Sa

>

> 19/10/2005

> Me

> 4th & 7th

> 8th & 11th

>

> Su, Ju, Sa, Ma

>

> 16/03/2006

> Mo

> 7th

> 9th

> Ma

> Ke, Me

>

> 19/02/2006

> Ra-Ju/Sa

> for Ju-7 & 10

> for Sa-8 & 9

> for Ju-2 & 5

> for Sa-3 & 4

> Sa-Ve

> for Ju-Mo, Sa, Ve

> for Sa-Mo, Ju, Ve

>

> 08/12/2005

> Ra-Ju/Me

> for Ju-9 & 12

> for Me-3 & 6

> for Ju-2 & 5

> for Me-8 & 11

>

> for Ju-Sa

> for Me-Su,Mo

>

> 27/12/2005

> Ju

> 3 & 6

> 2nd & 5th

>

> Mo, Sa

> b. If death occurs in the 3rd Lord's Mahadasa or its SD, then it might

be an

> indicator of a more natural death rather than by some other means. The

> Mahadasa is important at the time of death as it shows the karaka and

reason

> for death.

>

> Chart

> MPL

> 3rd lord

> Planet in 3rd with

> more than 4 points

> NSD to

> 3rd lord

> FSD to

> 3rd lord

> Event

>

> 12/09/2006

> Su

> JU

> Ra-Ju/Ju(5)

>

> Sa, Ma

> Rule does not fit in.

>

> 05/05/2006

> Me

> Sa

>

> Ve

> Mo, Ve

> Rule does not fit in.

>

> 08/08/2006

> Su

> Ve

> Planet Ju not taken as

> only 3 points

> Sa

> Su, Me, Sa, Mo

> Mahadasa Lord is FSD

> to 3rd Lord Ve.

>

> 19/10/2005

> Me

> Ma

> Planet Ve not taken as

> only 4 points

> Su

> Mo, Ve

> Rule does not fit in.

>

> 16/03/2006

> Mo

> Me

> Mo (8 points)

> Ke-Ju/Sa - Only Ju

> which has 6 points

>

> Ve

> Planet in 3rd-Mo having

> 8 points triggered the event

>

> 19/02/2006

> Ra-Ju/Sa

> Sa

>

> for Sa-Ve

> Mo, Ju, Ve

> Mahadasa lord Ra which is like

> Ju is SD to 3rd lord Sa

>

> 08/12/2005

> Ra-Ju/Me

> Ma

> Su & Me not taken as

> only 4 points

> Su

> Ve, Su

> Rule does not fit in.

>

> 27/12/2005

> Ju

> Ve

>

> Sa

> Ju

> Mahadasa lord Ju is SD

> to 3rd lord Ve.

> From the above I find that in 4 cases the rule does not apply. So went

to

> the next rule which says:

> c. If death is due to illness, then karaka for 6th is to be seen. If

death

> is due to accident, then karaka for 2nd is to be looked into and if

death is

> delayed after accident then karaka for 1st is seen. If death is due to

> action of law.. ex. execution etc., then karaka for 7th is to be

taken.

>

> In the present case all the deaths were due to illness which had come

right

> from 1.5 months of pregnancy. Hence I thought it should not be treated

as a

> natural death. So I applied the 2nd rule i.e. I took the karaka for

the 6th

> house.

>

> Here is the list of karakas for all the charts along with the MPL and

its

> relation to the karaka. Focus house is 6th.:

>

> Chart

> FK for

> 6th house

> NK for

> 6th house

> MPL

> Relation of MPL to karaka (NK, FK or planet

> placed in karaka house)

>

> 12/09/2006

> Sa

> Ma

> Su

> Su is placed in Navamsa of Ma-Hence SD to Su

> Also Ma and Su are natural SDs.

>

> 05/05/2006

> Ju

> Ma

> Me

> Ma and Ke are in 4-10 relationship. Ke is like Me or Su.

> Karaka for D is Me.

>

> 08/08/2006

> Su

> Ma

> Su

> FK and MPL are same. Ma is placed in Karaka house

>

> 19/10/2005

> Me

> Ma

> Me

> FK and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is

> placed in karaka house and is like Me (Virgo)

>

> 16/03/2006

> Mo

> Ma

> Mo

> FK and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Ma.

>

> 19/02/2006

> Ma

> Ra

> Rahu is like Ju and/or Sa. Ma is placed in Navamsa of Ju-

> Hence becomes SD to Ju. Also karaka for house E is Ma.

>

> 08/12/2005

> Me

> Ma

> Ra

> Ra is like Ju and/or Me. So MPL is Me and equates to FK.

> Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is placed in karaka house who

> will behave like Me (Vi)

>

> 27/12/2005

> Ju

> Ma

> Ju

> FK and MPL are same. Ra is placed in A6 and will behave

> like Ju (Pi)

> So we can conclude that the death was due to illness denoted as above

and

> this forms the reason for the death.

> However I found in one message that the (a) 8th house indicates

death-house

12th

> indicates the type of death-house C.

> From the messages in the ancient-indian-astrology group, I find that

the

> reason for the death was:

> " All children had a bulge/lump in the lower region of the spinal

chord

at

> the back. and the name of this disease is " meningocoele " . The

cause of

> disease was beause of deficiency of some vitamins. Bulandshahr is

basically

> an agriculture based district in Western U.P.. The disease occurred in

> mostly rural area surrounding this district. Many of the children had

their

> legs paralyzed. "

> How to fix this in our KAS - both for reason for death and type of

death.

> Bala

> ,

" Ash's Corner@ "

> kas@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shyam ji,

> >

> > If possible can you get the exact dates of deaths. I am very

interested in

> > timing of events.

> >

> > Here is my analysis. I am short of time, so am not writing up the

details.

> > I have just highlighted the key points.

> >

> > Notes for Readers

> >

> > Main thing to observe as per KAS is that each death was linked to

highest

> > power planet or related to 1st or 5th house / lord.

> >

> > For the readers

> >

> > LoE = 1st house lord

> > LoD = 5th house lord.

> >

> > When I make a reference to Highest power I mean the highest power

for 8th

> > house in KAS as per KAS program.

> >

> > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs,

> >

> > Saturn 2007-May-21

> > 2008-May-02

> > Mercury 2008-May-02

> > 2009-Mar-09

> >

> > Highest points, Sa is lagna so LoD and Me is SD to Sa in navamsa

> >

> > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs

> >

> > Jupiter 2004-May-05

> > 2006-Aug-10

> > Saturn 2006-Aug-10

> > 2009-Apr-20

> >

> > Ju is lagna lord. LoE.

> >

> > Me/Ju

> >

> > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs

> >

> > Ketu 2008-Jan-27

> > 2008-Jun-03

> > Venus 2008-Jun-03

> > 2009-Jun-03

> >

> > Ketu is SD to Sun. Sun is Lagna lord. LoE

> >

> > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs

> >

> > Jupiter 2004-Apr-30

> > 2006-Dec-30

> > Saturn 2006-Dec-30

> > 2010-Mar-01

> >

> > Ve/Sa. Sa is highest power planet and LoD. Ve is in 3rd house. This

is

> > with Cancer lagna.

> >

> > Here in this case lagna is at the very border, a very slight change

in

> birth

> > time.

> >

> > With Leo lagna, Sa has the highest power and Ju is LoD. So both can

give

> > death.

> >

> > If exact time is known it will be good learning.

> >

> > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs

> >

> > Saturn 2004-Dec-09

> > 2006-Jul-10

> > Mercury 2006-Jul-10

> > 2007-Dec-09

> > Ketu 2007-Dec-09

> > 2008-Jul-09

> >

> > Sa and Me are weak.

> > Death might happen in Ketu. Ketu is SD to Mo and Mo is highest power

> planet

> > and LoE.

> >

> > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs

> >

> > Ra/Ra

> >

> > Rahu 2004-Feb-24

> > 2006-Nov-06

> > Jupiter 2006-Nov-06

> > 2009-Apr-01

> >

> > Ra is in 5th house so LoD

> >

> > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs

> >

> > Venus 2004-Dec-01

> > 2007-Dec-01

> > Sun 2007-Dec-01

> > 2008-Oct-25

> >

> > Death might have happened in Venus

> >

> > Ve is 3rd highest, in Hosue D with 4 bindus and FSD to Sa in navamsa

who

> is

> > LoD.

> >

> > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs

> >

> > Saturn 2005-Jun-29

> > 2008-Jan-10

> > Mercury 2008-Jan-10

> > 2010-Apr-17

> >

> > Sa is highest power planet and in 4:10 with Ju who is LoE and Sa is

in

> House

> > D.

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/>

http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

On Behalf Of Shyam

S.

> > Kansal

> > Tuesday August 12, 2008 4:27 AM

> >

> > Research data for

medical-astrology

> >

> > Dear Jyotish scholars

> >

> > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly

qualified

> > medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well

> > maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting

> > down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these

birth-data

> > as per diseases.

> >

> > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of

such

> > cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within

a

> > year of their birth.

> >

> > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr "

(India),

> > 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00

> >

> > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'.

> >

> > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs,

> > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs

> > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs

> > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs

> > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs

> > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs

> > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs

> > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs

> >

> > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and

died

> > with a year or two of their birth.

> >

> > Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of

body affected

by

> > disease " ?

> >

> > And also, what made these children so short-lived?

> >

> > Warm regards,

> > Shyam S. Kansal

> >

>

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