Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear Bala ji, Yes, one more thing, the question asked was about the nature of disease and my interest was not in that but instead my interest was in timing of event and just practicing the laws that Guru ji had given to us. There have been very wonderful attempts on that list so maybe you can study those and get some more depth into it. Neelam ji has given wonderful explanation. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Balasubramanian Friday August 15, 2008 1:29 PM To: Subject: Re: Research data for medical-astrology Dear Ash Ji, That is an interesting set of charts you have given for furthering our thoughts on the subject. With my little knowledge about KAS, I am making an attempt on the charts. I was interested in 3 things: First is the Main Period Lord, second is the reason for death and the third is the type of death. Main Period Lord: 1. For the timing of events such as death, Main Period Lord is also to be considered as per a message I read in the archives. And of course the general rule says that the main period is that of Karaka planet or its SD. So I tried to correlate the MPL with the karaka for death. I did not touch the sub period lord as you have already given the probable dates. Further when I went through the entire message link in the ancient-indian-astrology group, I find that the exact date of death is not known. However, since it is mentioned that the death happened within a year or two of birth, you have probably worked out the sub periods. So, for the same reason, I took up the MPL based on your fixation of Sub-lord. Rules I found for fixing the MPL: a. Event would generally be limited to the house for which the MPL is the FK and then for the houses for which it is NK. It may also take place for which MPL is karaka for house D & E. (This point I am not able to understand) Chart MPL MPL is MPL is FK for NK for NSD to FSD to 12/09/2006 Su 1st 10th Ma Ve, Ma 05/05/2006 Me 3rd & 12th 8th & 11th Su, Sa 08/08/2006 Su 6th 10th Ma Me, Ve, Sa 19/10/2005 Me 4th & 7th 8th & 11th Su, Ju, Sa, Ma 16/03/2006 Mo 7th 9th Ma Ke, Me 19/02/2006 Ra-Ju/Sa for Ju-7 & 10 for Sa-8 & 9 for Ju-2 & 5 for Sa-3 & 4 Sa-Ve for Ju-Mo, Sa, Ve for Sa-Mo, Ju, Ve 08/12/2005 Ra-Ju/Me for Ju-9 & 12 for Me-3 & 6 for Ju-2 & 5 for Me-8 & 11 for Ju-Sa for Me-Su,Mo 27/12/2005 Ju 3 & 6 2nd & 5th Mo, Sa b. If death occurs in the 3rd Lord's Mahadasa or its SD, then it might be an indicator of a more natural death rather than by some other means. The Mahadasa is important at the time of death as it shows the karaka and reason for death. Chart MPL 3rd lord Planet in 3rd with more than 4 points NSD to 3rd lord FSD to 3rd lord Event 12/09/2006 Su JU Ra-Ju/Ju(5) Sa, Ma Rule does not fit in. 05/05/2006 Me Sa Ve Mo, Ve Rule does not fit in. 08/08/2006 Su Ve Planet Ju not taken as only 3 points Sa Su, Me, Sa, Mo Mahadasa Lord is FSD to 3rd Lord Ve. 19/10/2005 Me Ma Planet Ve not taken as only 4 points Su Mo, Ve Rule does not fit in. 16/03/2006 Mo Me Mo (8 points) Ke-Ju/Sa - Only Ju which has 6 points Ve Planet in 3rd-Mo having 8 points triggered the event 19/02/2006 Ra-Ju/Sa Sa for Sa-Ve Mo, Ju, Ve Mahadasa lord Ra which is like Ju is SD to 3rd lord Sa 08/12/2005 Ra-Ju/Me Ma Su & Me not taken as only 4 points Su Ve, Su Rule does not fit in. 27/12/2005 Ju Ve Sa Ju Mahadasa lord Ju is SD to 3rd lord Ve. From the above I find that in 4 cases the rule does not apply. So went to the next rule which says: c. If death is due to illness, then karaka for 6th is to be seen. If death is due to accident, then karaka for 2nd is to be looked into and if death is delayed after accident then karaka for 1st is seen. If death is due to action of law.. ex. execution etc., then karaka for 7th is to be taken. In the present case all the deaths were due to illness which had come right from 1.5 months of pregnancy. Hence I thought it should not be treated as a natural death. So I applied the 2nd rule i.e. I took the karaka for the 6th house. Here is the list of karakas for all the charts along with the MPL and its relation to the karaka. Focus house is 6th.: Chart FK for 6th house NK for 6th house MPL Relation of MPL to karaka (NK, FK or planet placed in karaka house) 12/09/2006 Sa Ma Su Su is placed in Navamsa of Ma-Hence SD to Su Also Ma and Su are natural SDs. 05/05/2006 Ju Ma Me Ma and Ke are in 4-10 relationship. Ke is like Me or Su. Karaka for D is Me. 08/08/2006 Su Ma Su FK and MPL are same. Ma is placed in Karaka house 19/10/2005 Me Ma Me FK and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is placed in karaka house and is like Me (Virgo) 16/03/2006 Mo Ma Mo FK and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Ma. 19/02/2006 Ma Ma Ra Rahu is like Ju and/or Sa. Ma is placed in Navamsa of Ju- Hence becomes SD to Ju. Also karaka for house E is Ma. 08/12/2005 Me Ma Ra Ra is like Ju and/or Me. So MPL is Me and equates to FK. Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is placed in karaka house who will behave like Me (Vi) 27/12/2005 Ju Ma Ju FK and MPL are same. Ra is placed in A6 and will behave like Ju (Pi) So we can conclude that the death was due to illness denoted as above and this forms the reason for the death. However I found in one message that the (a) 8th house indicates death-house B; (b) 3rd house indicates the reason for death-Karakatwa-house A; © 12th indicates the type of death-house C. From the messages in the ancient-indian-astrology group, I find that the reason for the death was: " All children had a bulge/lump in the lower region of the spinal chord at the back. and the name of this disease is " meningocoele " . The cause of disease was beause of deficiency of some vitamins. Bulandshahr is basically an agriculture based district in Western U.P.. The disease occurred in mostly rural area surrounding this district. Many of the children had their legs paralyzed. " How to fix this in our KAS - both for reason for death and type of death. Bala --- In , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Shyam ji, > > If possible can you get the exact dates of deaths. I am very interested in > timing of events. > > Here is my analysis. I am short of time, so am not writing up the details. > I have just highlighted the key points. > > > Notes for Readers > > Main thing to observe as per KAS is that each death was linked to highest > power planet or related to 1st or 5th house / lord. > > For the readers > > LoE = 1st house lord > LoD = 5th house lord. > > When I make a reference to Highest power I mean the highest power for 8th > house in KAS as per KAS program. > > > > > > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > > Saturn 2007-May-21 > 2008-May-02 > Mercury 2008-May-02 > 2009-Mar-09 > > Highest points, Sa is lagna so LoD and Me is SD to Sa in navamsa > > > > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > > Jupiter 2004-May-05 > 2006-Aug-10 > Saturn 2006-Aug-10 > 2009-Apr-20 > > Ju is lagna lord. LoE. > > Me/Ju > > > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs > > Ketu 2008-Jan-27 > 2008-Jun-03 > Venus 2008-Jun-03 > 2009-Jun-03 > > Ketu is SD to Sun. Sun is Lagna lord. LoE > > > > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs > > Jupiter 2004-Apr-30 > 2006-Dec-30 > Saturn 2006-Dec-30 > 2010-Mar-01 > > > Ve/Sa. Sa is highest power planet and LoD. Ve is in 3rd house. This is > with Cancer lagna. > > Here in this case lagna is at the very border, a very slight change in birth > time. > > With Leo lagna, Sa has the highest power and Ju is LoD. So both can give > death. > > If exact time is known it will be good learning. > > > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs > > Saturn 2004-Dec-09 > 2006-Jul-10 > Mercury 2006-Jul-10 > 2007-Dec-09 > Ketu 2007-Dec-09 > 2008-Jul-09 > > > Sa and Me are weak. > Death might happen in Ketu. Ketu is SD to Mo and Mo is highest power planet > and LoE. > > > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs > > > Ra/Ra > > Rahu 2004-Feb-24 > 2006-Nov-06 > Jupiter 2006-Nov-06 > 2009-Apr-01 > > > Ra is in 5th house so LoD > > > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs > > Venus 2004-Dec-01 > 2007-Dec-01 > Sun 2007-Dec-01 > 2008-Oct-25 > > Death might have happened in Venus > > Ve is 3rd highest, in Hosue D with 4 bindus and FSD to Sa in navamsa who is > LoD. > > > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs > > Saturn 2005-Jun-29 > 2008-Jan-10 > Mercury 2008-Jan-10 > 2010-Apr-17 > > > Sa is highest power planet and in 4:10 with Ju who is LoE and Sa is in House > D. > > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of Shyam S. > Kansal > Tuesday August 12, 2008 4:27 AM > > Research data for medical-astrology > > Dear Jyotish scholars > > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly qualified > medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well > maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting > down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth-data > as per diseases. > > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such > cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a > year of their birth. > > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr " (India), > 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00 > > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'. > > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs > > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died > with a year or two of their birth. > > Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body affected by > disease " ? > > And also, what made these children so short-lived? > > Warm regards, > Shyam S. Kansal > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2008 Report Share Posted August 16, 2008 Dear Ash ji, Yes. You are correct. Guruji explained on how many occassions he had problem while discussing the event of death. Not only he but even your burning of Laptop and Donna's problems everything he explained in detail. May be some super natural power is preventing us in discussing about the same. Even for me, while posting my message, first time after pressing the send button, I got disconnected from the Net abruptly and only in the second attempt I was successful. Immediately I remebered Guru's experiences. Now yours is also added to that. May be, we may have to wait for some more time to take up the topic. As you suggested, I will also refrain from taking up the topic henceforth. Let us wait and see. Bala , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Bala ji, > > This time again, some very strange phenomenon occurred when I was about to > discuss this with Guruji. > > Guruji's computer got spoilt just about the time I started to talk about > this topic of Death. > > Time and time again, this experience I have experienced and have written > about it many times on the list sharing my experience. > > I am not even going to begin to explore this further and now after this > incident have no desire at all to go into this topic. > > Something or some higher power is time and again stopping me. So I must > respect that. > > I shall not be studying this topic, till I get the green signal from Guruji > and the higher powers. > > So many times, this thing has happened, it can't be a coincidence. > > So many times even Guruji tried to give a write up on this topic and his > mails never reached the list. Why? > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of > Balasubramanian > Friday August 15, 2008 1:29 PM > > Re: Research data for medical-astrology > > Dear Ash Ji, > > That is an interesting set of charts you have given for furthering our > thoughts on the subject. > > With my little knowledge about KAS, I am making an attempt on the charts. > > I was interested in 3 things: > First is the Main Period Lord, second is the reason for death and the third > is the type of death. > > Main Period Lord: > > 1. For the timing of events such as death, Main Period Lord is also to be > considered as per a message I read in the archives. And of course the > general rule says that the main period is that of Karaka planet or its SD. > So I tried to correlate the MPL with the karaka for death. I did not touch > the sub period lord as you have already given the probable dates. Further > when I went through the entire message link in the ancient-indian-astrology > group, I find that the exact date of death is not known. However, since it > is mentioned that the death happened within a year or two of birth, you have > probably worked out the sub periods. So, for the same reason, I took up the > MPL based on your fixation of Sub-lord. > > Rules I found for fixing the MPL: > > a. Event would generally be limited to the house for which the MPL is the FK > and then for the houses for which it is NK. It may also take place for which > MPL is karaka for house D & E. (This point I am not able to understand) > > Chart > MPL > MPL is > MPL is > > FK for > NK for > NSD to > FSD to > > 12/09/2006 > Su > 1st > 10th > Ma > Ve, Ma > > 05/05/2006 > Me > 3rd & 12th > 8th & 11th > > Su, Sa > > 08/08/2006 > Su > 6th > 10th > Ma > Me, Ve, Sa > > 19/10/2005 > Me > 4th & 7th > 8th & 11th > > Su, Ju, Sa, Ma > > 16/03/2006 > Mo > 7th > 9th > Ma > Ke, Me > > 19/02/2006 > Ra-Ju/Sa > for Ju-7 & 10 > for Sa-8 & 9 > for Ju-2 & 5 > for Sa-3 & 4 > Sa-Ve > for Ju-Mo, Sa, Ve > for Sa-Mo, Ju, Ve > > 08/12/2005 > Ra-Ju/Me > for Ju-9 & 12 > for Me-3 & 6 > for Ju-2 & 5 > for Me-8 & 11 > > for Ju-Sa > for Me-Su,Mo > > 27/12/2005 > Ju > 3 & 6 > 2nd & 5th > > Mo, Sa > b. If death occurs in the 3rd Lord's Mahadasa or its SD, then it might be an > indicator of a more natural death rather than by some other means. The > Mahadasa is important at the time of death as it shows the karaka and reason > for death. > > Chart > MPL > 3rd lord > Planet in 3rd with > more than 4 points > NSD to > 3rd lord > FSD to > 3rd lord > Event > > 12/09/2006 > Su > JU > Ra-Ju/Ju(5) > > Sa, Ma > Rule does not fit in. > > 05/05/2006 > Me > Sa > > Ve > Mo, Ve > Rule does not fit in. > > 08/08/2006 > Su > Ve > Planet Ju not taken as > only 3 points > Sa > Su, Me, Sa, Mo > Mahadasa Lord is FSD > to 3rd Lord Ve. > > 19/10/2005 > Me > Ma > Planet Ve not taken as > only 4 points > Su > Mo, Ve > Rule does not fit in. > > 16/03/2006 > Mo > Me > Mo (8 points) > Ke-Ju/Sa - Only Ju > which has 6 points > > Ve > Planet in 3rd-Mo having > 8 points triggered the event > > 19/02/2006 > Ra-Ju/Sa > Sa > > for Sa-Ve > Mo, Ju, Ve > Mahadasa lord Ra which is like > Ju is SD to 3rd lord Sa > > 08/12/2005 > Ra-Ju/Me > Ma > Su & Me not taken as > only 4 points > Su > Ve, Su > Rule does not fit in. > > 27/12/2005 > Ju > Ve > > Sa > Ju > Mahadasa lord Ju is SD > to 3rd lord Ve. > From the above I find that in 4 cases the rule does not apply. So went to > the next rule which says: > c. If death is due to illness, then karaka for 6th is to be seen. If death > is due to accident, then karaka for 2nd is to be looked into and if death is > delayed after accident then karaka for 1st is seen. If death is due to > action of law.. ex. execution etc., then karaka for 7th is to be taken. > > In the present case all the deaths were due to illness which had come right > from 1.5 months of pregnancy. Hence I thought it should not be treated as a > natural death. So I applied the 2nd rule i.e. I took the karaka for the 6th > house. > > Here is the list of karakas for all the charts along with the MPL and its > relation to the karaka. Focus house is 6th.: > > Chart > FK for > 6th house > NK for > 6th house > MPL > Relation of MPL to karaka (NK, FK or planet > placed in karaka house) > > 12/09/2006 > Sa > Ma > Su > Su is placed in Navamsa of Ma-Hence SD to Su > Also Ma and Su are natural SDs. > > 05/05/2006 > Ju > Ma > Me > Ma and Ke are in 4-10 relationship. Ke is like Me or Su. > Karaka for D is Me. > > 08/08/2006 > Su > Ma > Su > FK and MPL are same. Ma is placed in Karaka house > > 19/10/2005 > Me > Ma > Me > FK and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is > placed in karaka house and is like Me (Virgo) > > 16/03/2006 > Mo > Ma > Mo > FK and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Ma. > > 19/02/2006 > Ma > Ma > Ra > Rahu is like Ju and/or Sa. Ma is placed in Navamsa of Ju- > Hence becomes SD to Ju. Also karaka for house E is Ma. > > 08/12/2005 > Me > Ma > Ra > Ra is like Ju and/or Me. So MPL is Me and equates to FK. > Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is placed in karaka house who > will behave like Me (Vi) > > 27/12/2005 > Ju > Ma > Ju > FK and MPL are same. Ra is placed in A6 and will behave > like Ju (Pi) > So we can conclude that the death was due to illness denoted as above and > this forms the reason for the death. > However I found in one message that the (a) 8th house indicates death-house > B; (b) 3rd house indicates the reason for death-Karakatwa-house A; © 12th > indicates the type of death-house C. > From the messages in the ancient-indian-astrology group, I find that the > reason for the death was: > " All children had a bulge/lump in the lower region of the spinal chord at > the back. and the name of this disease is " meningocoele " . The cause of > disease was beause of deficiency of some vitamins. Bulandshahr is basically > an agriculture based district in Western U.P.. The disease occurred in > mostly rural area surrounding this district. Many of the children had their > legs paralyzed. " > How to fix this in our KAS - both for reason for death and type of death. > Bala > , " Ash's Corner@ " > kas@ wrote: > > > > Dear Shyam ji, > > > > If possible can you get the exact dates of deaths. I am very interested in > > timing of events. > > > > Here is my analysis. I am short of time, so am not writing up the details. > > I have just highlighted the key points. > > > > > > Notes for Readers > > > > Main thing to observe as per KAS is that each death was linked to highest > > power planet or related to 1st or 5th house / lord. > > > > For the readers > > > > LoE = 1st house lord > > LoD = 5th house lord. > > > > When I make a reference to Highest power I mean the highest power for 8th > > house in KAS as per KAS program. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > > > > Saturn 2007-May-21 > > 2008-May-02 > > Mercury 2008-May-02 > > 2009-Mar-09 > > > > Highest points, Sa is lagna so LoD and Me is SD to Sa in navamsa > > > > > > > > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > > > > Jupiter 2004-May-05 > > 2006-Aug-10 > > Saturn 2006-Aug-10 > > 2009-Apr-20 > > > > Ju is lagna lord. LoE. > > > > Me/Ju > > > > > > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs > > > > Ketu 2008-Jan-27 > > 2008-Jun-03 > > Venus 2008-Jun-03 > > 2009-Jun-03 > > > > Ketu is SD to Sun. Sun is Lagna lord. LoE > > > > > > > > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs > > > > Jupiter 2004-Apr-30 > > 2006-Dec-30 > > Saturn 2006-Dec-30 > > 2010-Mar-01 > > > > > > Ve/Sa. Sa is highest power planet and LoD. Ve is in 3rd house. This is > > with Cancer lagna. > > > > Here in this case lagna is at the very border, a very slight change in > birth > > time. > > > > With Leo lagna, Sa has the highest power and Ju is LoD. So both can give > > death. > > > > If exact time is known it will be good learning. > > > > > > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs > > > > Saturn 2004-Dec-09 > > 2006-Jul-10 > > Mercury 2006-Jul-10 > > 2007-Dec-09 > > Ketu 2007-Dec-09 > > 2008-Jul-09 > > > > > > Sa and Me are weak. > > Death might happen in Ketu. Ketu is SD to Mo and Mo is highest power > planet > > and LoE. > > > > > > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs > > > > > > Ra/Ra > > > > Rahu 2004-Feb-24 > > 2006-Nov-06 > > Jupiter 2006-Nov-06 > > 2009-Apr-01 > > > > > > Ra is in 5th house so LoD > > > > > > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs > > > > Venus 2004-Dec-01 > > 2007-Dec-01 > > Sun 2007-Dec-01 > > 2008-Oct-25 > > > > Death might have happened in Venus > > > > Ve is 3rd highest, in Hosue D with 4 bindus and FSD to Sa in navamsa who > is > > LoD. > > > > > > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs > > > > Saturn 2005-Jun-29 > > 2008-Jan-10 > > Mercury 2008-Jan-10 > > 2010-Apr-17 > > > > > > Sa is highest power planet and in 4:10 with Ju who is LoE and Sa is in > House > > D. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > On Behalf Of Shyam S. > > Kansal > > Tuesday August 12, 2008 4:27 AM > > > > Research data for medical-astrology > > > > Dear Jyotish scholars > > > > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly qualified > > medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well > > maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting > > down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth-data > > as per diseases. > > > > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such > > cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a > > year of their birth. > > > > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr " (India), > > 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00 > > > > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'. > > > > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs > > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs > > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs > > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs > > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs > > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs > > > > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died > > with a year or two of their birth. > > > > Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body affected by > > disease " ? > > > > And also, what made these children so short-lived? > > > > Warm regards, > > Shyam S. Kansal > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Dear Bala ji, You too were disconnected the first time eh !!! wow.... This in my opinion is definitely a sign. Initially I too dismissed these small signs and later the magnitude of them increased. Now you too have experienced such a sign. It just affirms my thinking that some higher powers are at play here preventing us at this point in time. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Balasubramanian Saturday August 16, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: Re: Research data for medical-astrology Dear Ash ji, Yes. You are correct. Guruji explained on how many occassions he had problem while discussing the event of death. Not only he but even your burning of Laptop and Donna's problems everything he explained in detail. May be some super natural power is preventing us in discussing about the same. Even for me, while posting my message, first time after pressing the send button, I got disconnected from the Net abruptly and only in the second attempt I was successful. Immediately I remebered Guru's experiences. Now yours is also added to that. May be, we may have to wait for some more time to take up the topic. As you suggested, I will also refrain from taking up the topic henceforth. Let us wait and see. Bala , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: > > Dear Bala ji, > > This time again, some very strange phenomenon occurred when I was about to > discuss this with Guruji. > > Guruji's computer got spoilt just about the time I started to talk about > this topic of Death. > > Time and time again, this experience I have experienced and have written > about it many times on the list sharing my experience. > > I am not even going to begin to explore this further and now after this > incident have no desire at all to go into this topic. > > Something or some higher power is time and again stopping me. So I must > respect that. > > I shall not be studying this topic, till I get the green signal from Guruji > and the higher powers. > > So many times, this thing has happened, it can't be a coincidence. > > So many times even Guruji tried to give a write up on this topic and his > mails never reached the list. Why? > Cheers !!! > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > On Behalf Of > Balasubramanian > Friday August 15, 2008 1:29 PM > > Re: Research data for medical-astrology > > Dear Ash Ji, > > That is an interesting set of charts you have given for furthering our > thoughts on the subject. > > With my little knowledge about KAS, I am making an attempt on the charts. > > I was interested in 3 things: > First is the Main Period Lord, second is the reason for death and the third > is the type of death. > > Main Period Lord: > > 1. For the timing of events such as death, Main Period Lord is also to be > considered as per a message I read in the archives. And of course the > general rule says that the main period is that of Karaka planet or its SD. > So I tried to correlate the MPL with the karaka for death. I did not touch > the sub period lord as you have already given the probable dates. Further > when I went through the entire message link in the ancient-indian-astrology > group, I find that the exact date of death is not known. However, since it > is mentioned that the death happened within a year or two of birth, you have > probably worked out the sub periods. So, for the same reason, I took up the > MPL based on your fixation of Sub-lord. > > Rules I found for fixing the MPL: > > a. Event would generally be limited to the house for which the MPL is the FK > and then for the houses for which it is NK. It may also take place for which > MPL is karaka for house D & E. (This point I am not able to understand) > > Chart > MPL > MPL is > MPL is > > FK for > NK for > NSD to > FSD to > > 12/09/2006 > Su > 1st > 10th > Ma > Ve, Ma > > 05/05/2006 > Me > 3rd & 12th > 8th & 11th > > Su, Sa > > 08/08/2006 > Su > 6th > 10th > Ma > Me, Ve, Sa > > 19/10/2005 > Me > 4th & 7th > 8th & 11th > > Su, Ju, Sa, Ma > > 16/03/2006 > Mo > 7th > 9th > Ma > Ke, Me > > 19/02/2006 > Ra-Ju/Sa > for Ju-7 & 10 > for Sa-8 & 9 > for Ju-2 & 5 > for Sa-3 & 4 > Sa-Ve > for Ju-Mo, Sa, Ve > for Sa-Mo, Ju, Ve > > 08/12/2005 > Ra-Ju/Me > for Ju-9 & 12 > for Me-3 & 6 > for Ju-2 & 5 > for Me-8 & 11 > > for Ju-Sa > for Me-Su,Mo > > 27/12/2005 > Ju > 3 & 6 > 2nd & 5th > > Mo, Sa > b. If death occurs in the 3rd Lord's Mahadasa or its SD, then it might be an > indicator of a more natural death rather than by some other means. The > Mahadasa is important at the time of death as it shows the karaka and reason > for death. > > Chart > MPL > 3rd lord > Planet in 3rd with > more than 4 points > NSD to > 3rd lord > FSD to > 3rd lord > Event > > 12/09/2006 > Su > JU > Ra-Ju/Ju(5) > > Sa, Ma > Rule does not fit in. > > 05/05/2006 > Me > Sa > > Ve > Mo, Ve > Rule does not fit in. > > 08/08/2006 > Su > Ve > Planet Ju not taken as > only 3 points > Sa > Su, Me, Sa, Mo > Mahadasa Lord is FSD > to 3rd Lord Ve. > > 19/10/2005 > Me > Ma > Planet Ve not taken as > only 4 points > Su > Mo, Ve > Rule does not fit in. > > 16/03/2006 > Mo > Me > Mo (8 points) > Ke-Ju/Sa - Only Ju > which has 6 points > > Ve > Planet in 3rd-Mo having > 8 points triggered the event > > 19/02/2006 > Ra-Ju/Sa > Sa > > for Sa-Ve > Mo, Ju, Ve > Mahadasa lord Ra which is like > Ju is SD to 3rd lord Sa > > 08/12/2005 > Ra-Ju/Me > Ma > Su & Me not taken as > only 4 points > Su > Ve, Su > Rule does not fit in. > > 27/12/2005 > Ju > Ve > > Sa > Ju > Mahadasa lord Ju is SD > to 3rd lord Ve. > From the above I find that in 4 cases the rule does not apply. So went to > the next rule which says: > c. If death is due to illness, then karaka for 6th is to be seen. If death > is due to accident, then karaka for 2nd is to be looked into and if death is > delayed after accident then karaka for 1st is seen. If death is due to > action of law.. ex. execution etc., then karaka for 7th is to be taken. > > In the present case all the deaths were due to illness which had come right > from 1.5 months of pregnancy. Hence I thought it should not be treated as a > natural death. So I applied the 2nd rule i.e. I took the karaka for the 6th > house. > > Here is the list of karakas for all the charts along with the MPL and its > relation to the karaka. Focus house is 6th.: > > Chart > FK for > 6th house > NK for > 6th house > MPL > Relation of MPL to karaka (NK, FK or planet > placed in karaka house) > > 12/09/2006 > Sa > Ma > Su > Su is placed in Navamsa of Ma-Hence SD to Su > Also Ma and Su are natural SDs. > > 05/05/2006 > Ju > Ma > Me > Ma and Ke are in 4-10 relationship. Ke is like Me or Su. > Karaka for D is Me. > > 08/08/2006 > Su > Ma > Su > FK and MPL are same. Ma is placed in Karaka house > > 19/10/2005 > Me > Ma > Me > FK and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is > placed in karaka house and is like Me (Virgo) > > 16/03/2006 > Mo > Ma > Mo > FK and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Ma. > > 19/02/2006 > Ma > Ma > Ra > Rahu is like Ju and/or Sa. Ma is placed in Navamsa of Ju- > Hence becomes SD to Ju. Also karaka for house E is Ma. > > 08/12/2005 > Me > Ma > Ra > Ra is like Ju and/or Me. So MPL is Me and equates to FK. > Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is placed in karaka house who > will behave like Me (Vi) > > 27/12/2005 > Ju > Ma > Ju > FK and MPL are same. Ra is placed in A6 and will behave > like Ju (Pi) > So we can conclude that the death was due to illness denoted as above and > this forms the reason for the death. > However I found in one message that the (a) 8th house indicates death-house > B; (b) 3rd house indicates the reason for death-Karakatwa-house A; © 12th > indicates the type of death-house C. > From the messages in the ancient-indian-astrology group, I find that the > reason for the death was: > " All children had a bulge/lump in the lower region of the spinal chord at > the back. and the name of this disease is " meningocoele " . The cause of > disease was beause of deficiency of some vitamins. Bulandshahr is basically > an agriculture based district in Western U.P.. The disease occurred in > mostly rural area surrounding this district. Many of the children had their > legs paralyzed. " > How to fix this in our KAS - both for reason for death and type of death. > Bala > , " Ash's Corner@ " > kas@ wrote: > > > > Dear Shyam ji, > > > > If possible can you get the exact dates of deaths. I am very interested in > > timing of events. > > > > Here is my analysis. I am short of time, so am not writing up the details. > > I have just highlighted the key points. > > > > > > Notes for Readers > > > > Main thing to observe as per KAS is that each death was linked to highest > > power planet or related to 1st or 5th house / lord. > > > > For the readers > > > > LoE = 1st house lord > > LoD = 5th house lord. > > > > When I make a reference to Highest power I mean the highest power for 8th > > house in KAS as per KAS program. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > > > > Saturn 2007-May-21 > > 2008-May-02 > > Mercury 2008-May-02 > > 2009-Mar-09 > > > > Highest points, Sa is lagna so LoD and Me is SD to Sa in navamsa > > > > > > > > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > > > > Jupiter 2004-May-05 > > 2006-Aug-10 > > Saturn 2006-Aug-10 > > 2009-Apr-20 > > > > Ju is lagna lord. LoE. > > > > Me/Ju > > > > > > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs > > > > Ketu 2008-Jan-27 > > 2008-Jun-03 > > Venus 2008-Jun-03 > > 2009-Jun-03 > > > > Ketu is SD to Sun. Sun is Lagna lord. LoE > > > > > > > > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs > > > > Jupiter 2004-Apr-30 > > 2006-Dec-30 > > Saturn 2006-Dec-30 > > 2010-Mar-01 > > > > > > Ve/Sa. Sa is highest power planet and LoD. Ve is in 3rd house. This is > > with Cancer lagna. > > > > Here in this case lagna is at the very border, a very slight change in > birth > > time. > > > > With Leo lagna, Sa has the highest power and Ju is LoD. So both can give > > death. > > > > If exact time is known it will be good learning. > > > > > > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs > > > > Saturn 2004-Dec-09 > > 2006-Jul-10 > > Mercury 2006-Jul-10 > > 2007-Dec-09 > > Ketu 2007-Dec-09 > > 2008-Jul-09 > > > > > > Sa and Me are weak. > > Death might happen in Ketu. Ketu is SD to Mo and Mo is highest power > planet > > and LoE. > > > > > > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs > > > > > > Ra/Ra > > > > Rahu 2004-Feb-24 > > 2006-Nov-06 > > Jupiter 2006-Nov-06 > > 2009-Apr-01 > > > > > > Ra is in 5th house so LoD > > > > > > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs > > > > Venus 2004-Dec-01 > > 2007-Dec-01 > > Sun 2007-Dec-01 > > 2008-Oct-25 > > > > Death might have happened in Venus > > > > Ve is 3rd highest, in Hosue D with 4 bindus and FSD to Sa in navamsa who > is > > LoD. > > > > > > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs > > > > Saturn 2005-Jun-29 > > 2008-Jan-10 > > Mercury 2008-Jan-10 > > 2010-Apr-17 > > > > > > Sa is highest power planet and in 4:10 with Ju who is LoE and Sa is in > House > > D. > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > > > On Behalf Of Shyam S. > > Kansal > > Tuesday August 12, 2008 4:27 AM > > > > Research data for medical-astrology > > > > Dear Jyotish scholars > > > > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly qualified > > medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well > > maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting > > down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth-data > > as per diseases. > > > > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such > > cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a > > year of their birth. > > > > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr " (India), > > 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00 > > > > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'. > > > > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs > > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs > > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs > > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs > > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs > > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs > > > > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died > > with a year or two of their birth. > > > > Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body affected by > > disease " ? > > > > And also, what made these children so short-lived? > > > > Warm regards, > > Shyam S. Kansal > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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