Research data for medical-astrology

August 13, 2008

Dear Bhagavati ji, I will second you on this. As far as Dasa etc is concerned, in many of the cases it is the dasa of of 8th lord (either from Lagna or Moon) combined with the Antara of the maraka planet that caused the death - It seems.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> Dear all,> > This is the best message I have read on this thread so far. This is a > very honest and yet truthful statement from Bhaskaranji. Determining > longevity is difficult, we are only guessing the body part now. A > true and best astrologer would tell in one single attempt. Even if > anyone of us or maybe even I get correct, I will not be happy, > because, it does not reflect a true attempt.> > > First, we should work stepwise. We should determine what caused ear;y > death, whether the dasa really is a maraka dasa, etc> > Regards,> bhagavathi > > > > > , "Bhaskar" > rajiventerprises@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Shyam ji,> > > > Though I was never interested in medical astrology, and still not, > yet> > the astrological curiosity got the better in me, and I embarked on > to> > cast 5 charts of the lot you presented to the forum. I have to make> > confession honestly,-> > > > Of those 5, at least in 2-3 charts I could not determine why the> > longevity is low. And had you asked us straightaway about the > longevity> > of thse chart owners, I would have said "Good" , for the majority of> > those charts.Of course my study was just cursory, but all the same, > I> > was nowhere near the truth, as you have given us about their life-> spans.> > > > I do not mind in stating that I am not a jyotish scholar, and > theres a> > lot to be studied, rsearched and learnt in this small Life, and such> > tests of times, as you have given us, show us our place, which is> > nothing but a speck of sand on the vast ocean of this beach which we> > call " Astrology".> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskaran.> > > > > > > > > > , "Shyam S. Kansal"> > <jyotishee@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Jyotish scholars> > >> > > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly > qualified> > > medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well> > > maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, > noting> > > down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth-> data> > > as per diseases.> > >> > > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of > such> > > cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died > within a> > > year of their birth.> > >> > > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. "Bulandshahr" > (India),> > > 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00> > >> > > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'.> > >> > > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs,> > > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs> > > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs> > > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs> > > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs> > > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs> > > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs> > > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs> > >> > > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and > died> > > with a year or two of their birth.> > >> > > Can we identify the "Type of disease" or the "Part of body > affected by> > > disease"?> > >> > > And also, what made these children so short-lived?> > >> > >> > > Warm regards,> > > Shyam S. Kansal> > >> >>

August 13, 2008

Dear All, Here is the link on "Spinal Bifida": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spina_bifida Love and regards,Sreenadh , "sheevani147" <sheevani147 wrote:>> Dearest Neelamji,> > Namaste,> > It is always a pleasure and joy to read your well reasoned postings..> > I guess, here you are trying to describe a condition called Spinal > Bifida.. where there is a 'lump' or cyst on the spine, more commonly > middle and lower back.. This cyst may be covered by a fatty layer or > may be sometimes open, and leaking fluid..> > As the lump grows, the pressure on the nerves going through the > spinal canal increases and internal abdominal organs, like intestines > kidney and bladder may cease to function properly.. Also the legs > will suffer weakness and loss of muscle..> > With surgery it is possible to remove most of the fatty deposits in > the lump,, but sometimes surgery is risky and may still leave the > individual with some disablity..> > I have not checked the new data presented,, but it would be most > interesting to learn about the astrological combinations for spinal > bifida..> > > warmest regards> Sheevani> > , "neelam gupta" > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> >> > Dear Shyam Kansal Ji,> > > > I had said,> > //The disease seems to stem from some congenital deficiency at > birth like> > blockage/ malfunctioning of some gland/sensory area in the brain > (aries).> > But could've manifested first in abdominal region as virgo is > afflicted with> > saturn and ketu, the disease giver, or the legs.//> > > > I maintain the same but if I have to zero down now, I would add > thus:> > > > I am taking the involvement of saturn, ketu, mercury with cancer, > virgo and> > aries. I would go with virgo for location of the disease because of> > afflicted ketu and most of the dashas connecting thus. The disease > could> > appear in the lower back region as a lump in the spinal chord. > Basically it> > could be something like a meningocoele which is an anomaly of > central> > nervous system which is cerebral in origin but could appear > initially> > somewhere in the spinal region. Here, with the kind of afflictions > present,> > I feel it is in lumbar/sacral region but must also be paralysing > the legs.> > Later it spreads and proves fatal. The child would definitely have > something> > in the cranial region and dermal aberrations also.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008/8/13 Shyam S. Kansal jyotishee@> > > > > Dear Neelam Gupta ji> > >> > > You are very near to the target, that I can only say.> > >> > > Now a clue .. and I hope you will achieve the target.> > >> > > I was just able to talk to the concerned doctor on telephone and > got much> > > clearer picture about the disease. The disease appears in the > form of a> > > "Bulge" on a particular area of the body since birth. In fact, he > told that> > > that this disease can be identified after 1.5 months of pregnancy > itself and> > > if during pregnancy it is detected, the doctor always advise > abortion.> > >> > > Many children with this disease die within 1 or 2 months. Some > may live up> > > to 6 months or 1 year. A very few lucky ones survive after > successful> > > operation of the bulge.> > >> > > The common factor in all these cases is that "*a bulge appears > at a very> > > specific location of the body*". Life-span of the children may > differ> > > but location of bulge remains the same.> > >> > > I am posting more such charts from the same doctor's records. The > disease> > > is same. Longevity may be between 1 month to 1 year, some of them > might have> > > survived also.> > >> > > All dates are written in dd/mm/yy format.> > >> > > *14.5.06 - 12.35 pm> > > 30.9.06 - 13.20 pm> > > 25.10.06 - 5.15 am> > > 3.7.07 - 22.40 pm> > > 11.12.06 - 15.15 pm> > > 24.11.06 - 18.07 pm> > > 19.7.07 - 18.52 pm> > > 13.8.07 - 20.20 pm> > > 3.9.07 - 16.26 pm> > > 15.9.07 - 18.40 pm> > > 13.9.07 - 13.30 pm> > > 3.10.07 - 1.30 am> > > 14.10.07 - 19.15 pm> > > 30.10.07 - 4.45 am> > > 26.9.07 -4.50 am> > >> > > Birth place is same, i.e. "Bulandshahr"*> > >> > >> > > I am hopeful that with this much data, you or some other Jyotish > scholar> > > will be able to identify the location of bulge. I will post the > correct> > > answer in a day or two.> > >> > > Warm regards,> > > Shyam> > >> > > , "neelam gupta"> > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shyam Kansal ji,> > >> > > Let me make another attempt at this:> > >> > > In all the cases:> > > Saturn is connected to the 6H in all the charts in rashi/navamsh. > So> > > becomes a disease giver. Saturn in cancer, is in pushya or > ashlesha and in> > > most cases is further afflicted by rahu, mars, etc.> > > Ketu in virgo, in the natural 6H, is aspected by Saturn and in > close> > > degrees with Saturn, adds to complications.> > > Mercury in almost all cases is also afflicted.> > > Natural benefic Jupiter is himself afflicted and in many cases > also takes> > > bad lordships.> > >> > > Saturn, ketu and mercury seem to relate primarily to the disease > with other> > > planets also pitching in. Afflicted rashis are cancer, virgo and > aries, and> > > aries is also the sign of double transit, so more in focus. The > disease> > > might have cerebral origin.> > >> > > I can think of following implications:> > >> > > Some disease which affects the fluids in the body. It could be > blood> > > circulation, peristaltic action, lymphatic system, etc. Saturn > brings some> > > constriction/ restriction with the flow.> > > It could also affect the working of muscles causing something > like muscular> > > atrophy/dystrophy, kind of paralysis due to blockage in blood > flow. Ketu> > > causes the disease to be sookshm, reaching the micro/cellular > level. Being> > > related to Saturn the affected portion could be legs, especially > as rahu> > > aspects saturn from pisces.> > > Involvement of mercury in this scheme could give some neuro-> muscular> > > disorder.> > > Even dermal eruption of disease cannot be ruled out… (Saturn-> mercury)> > >> > > The disease seems to stem from some congenital deficiency at > birth like> > > blockage/ malfunctioning of some gland/sensory area in the brain > (aries).> > > But could've manifested first in abdominal region as virgo is > afflicted with> > > saturn and ketu, the disease giver, or the legs. If the children > belonged to> > > poor sections, we cannot rule out even rickets which is 'sookha > rog' which> > > starts with legs and takes over completely in its severe form.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > > > > >> >>

August 13, 2008

Sreenadhji,

You are right and not only that, I think two of them atleast have the

8L in 8th itself and the native died in dasa of 8th. I have not had

much time to check all the charts. Anyways, we should thank Kansalji

for keeping our brains occupied

Rgds,

bhagavathi

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Bhagavati ji,

> I will second you on this. [] As far as Dasa etc is

concerned, in

> many of the cases it is the dasa of of 8th lord (either from Lagna

or

> Moon) combined with the Antara of the maraka planet that caused the

> death - It seems.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> --- In

, " bhagavathi_hariharan "

> <bhagavathi_hariharan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear all,

> >

> > This is the best message I have read on this thread so far. This

is a

> > very honest and yet truthful statement from Bhaskaranji.

Determining

> > longevity is difficult, we are only guessing the body part now. A

> > true and best astrologer would tell in one single attempt. Even if

> > anyone of us or maybe even I get correct, I will not be happy,

> > because, it does not reflect a true attempt.

> >

> > First, we should work stepwise. We should determine what caused

ear;y

> > death, whether the dasa really is a maraka dasa, etc

> >

> > Regards,

> > bhagavathi

> >

> > , " Bhaskar "

> > rajiventerprises@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shyam ji,

> > >

> > > Though I was never interested in medical astrology, and still

not,

> > yet

> > > the astrological curiosity got the better in me, and I embarked

on

> > to

> > > cast 5 charts of the lot you presented to the forum. I have to

make

> > > confession honestly,-

> > >

> > > Of those 5, at least in 2-3 charts I could not determine why the

> > > longevity is low. And had you asked us straightaway about the

> > longevity

> > > of thse chart owners, I would have said " Good " , for the

majority of

> > > those charts.Of course my study was just cursory, but all the

same,

> > I

> > > was nowhere near the truth, as you have given us about their

life-

> > spans.

> > >

> > > I do not mind in stating that I am not a jyotish scholar, and

> > theres a

> > > lot to be studied, rsearched and learnt in this small Life, and

such

> > > tests of times, as you have given us, show us our place, which

is

> > > nothing but a speck of sand on the vast ocean of this beach

which we

> > > call " Astrology " .

> > >

> > > best wishes,

> > >

> > > Bhaskaran.

> > >

> > > , " Shyam S.

Kansal "

> > > <jyotishee@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jyotish scholars

> > > >

> > > > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly

> > qualified

> > > > medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-

well

> > > > maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital,

> > noting

> > > > down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these

birth-

> > data

> > > > as per diseases.

> > > >

> > > > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of

hundreds of

> > such

> > > > cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died

> > within a

> > > > year of their birth.

> > > >

> > > > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr "

> > (India),

> > > > 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00

> > > >

> > > > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM'

or 'PM'.

> > > >

> > > > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs,

> > > > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs

> > > > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs

> > > > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs

> > > > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs

> > > > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs

> > > > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs

> > > > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs

> > > >

> > > > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease

and

> > died

> > > > with a year or two of their birth.

> > > >

> > > > Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body

> > affected by

> > > > disease " ?

> > > >

> > > > And also, what made these children so short-lived?

> > > >

> > > > Warm regards,

> > > > Shyam S. Kansal

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 13, 2008

Dear Neelamji,

Has the nutritional deficiency of Folic acid in the preganant mother,

particularly in the first pregnancy, something to do with this or is it a purely

an astrological phenomenon? BTW I am not a non-believer in astrology.

Regards,

Sunil Bhattacharjya

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

Wednesday, August 13, 2008 10:28:36 AM

Re: Research data for medical-astrology

Dear Sheevani ji,

Yes, I thought it could be a serious kind of spinal bifida, which is

technically meningocoele or mylomeningocoele.

This is generally fatal an infant dies soon after birth. Sh Kansal still has

to confirm if it.

Regards

Neelam

2008/8/13 sheevani147 <sheevani147

> Dearest Neelamji,

>

> Namaste,

>

> It is always a pleasure and joy to read your well reasoned postings..

>

> I guess, here you are trying to describe a condition called Spinal

> Bifida.. where there is a 'lump' or cyst on the spine, more commonly

> middle and lower back.. This cyst may be covered by a fatty layer or

> may be sometimes open, and leaking fluid..

>

> As the lump grows, the pressure on the nerves going through the

> spinal canal increases and internal abdominal organs, like intestines

> kidney and bladder may cease to function properly.. Also the legs

> will suffer weakness and loss of muscle..

>

> With surgery it is possible to remove most of the fatty deposits in

> the lump,, but sometimes surgery is risky and may still leave the

> individual with some disablity..

>

> I have not checked the new data presented,, but it would be most

> interesting to learn about the astrological combinations for spinal

> bifida..

>

> warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

> --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> " neelam gupta "

> <neelamgupta07 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shyam Kansal Ji,

> >

> > I had said,

> > //The disease seems to stem from some congenital deficiency at

> birth like

> > blockage/ malfunctioning of some gland/sensory area in the brain

> (aries).

> > But could've manifested first in abdominal region as virgo is

> afflicted with

> > saturn and ketu, the disease giver, or the legs.//

> >

> > I maintain the same but if I have to zero down now, I would add

> thus:

> >

> > I am taking the involvement of saturn, ketu, mercury with cancer,

> virgo and

> > aries. I would go with virgo for location of the disease because of

> > afflicted ketu and most of the dashas connecting thus. The disease

> could

> > appear in the lower back region as a lump in the spinal chord.

> Basically it

> > could be something like a meningocoele which is an anomaly of

> central

> > nervous system which is cerebral in origin but could appear

> initially

> > somewhere in the spinal region. Here, with the kind of afflictions

> present,

> > I feel it is in lumbar/sacral region but must also be paralysing

> the legs.

> > Later it spreads and proves fatal. The child would definitely have

> something

> > in the cranial region and dermal aberrations also.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> > 2008/8/13 Shyam S. Kansal <jyotishee

>

> >

> > > Dear Neelam Gupta ji

> > >

> > > You are very near to the target, that I can only say.

> > >

> > > Now a clue .. and I hope you will achieve the target.

> > >

> > > I was just able to talk to the concerned doctor on telephone and

> got much

> > > clearer picture about the disease. The disease appears in the

> form of a

> > > " Bulge " on a particular area of the body since birth. In fact, he

> told that

> > > that this disease can be identified after 1.5 months of pregnancy

> itself and

> > > if during pregnancy it is detected, the doctor always advise

> abortion.

> > >

> > > Many children with this disease die within 1 or 2 months. Some

> may live up

> > > to 6 months or 1 year. A very few lucky ones survive after

> successful

> > > operation of the bulge.

> > >

> > > The common factor in all these cases is that " *a bulge appears

> at a very

> > > specific location of the body* " . Life-span of the children may

> differ

> > > but location of bulge remains the same.

> > >

> > > I am posting more such charts from the same doctor's records. The

> disease

> > > is same. Longevity may be between 1 month to 1 year, some of them

> might have

> > > survived also.

> > >

> > > All dates are written in dd/mm/yy format.

> > >

> > > *14.5.06 - 12.35 pm

> > > 30.9.06 - 13.20 pm

> > > 25.10.06 - 5.15 am

> > > 3.7.07 - 22.40 pm

> > > 11.12.06 - 15.15 pm

> > > 24.11.06 - 18.07 pm

> > > 19.7.07 - 18.52 pm

> > > 13.8.07 - 20.20 pm

> > > 3.9.07 - 16.26 pm

> > > 15.9.07 - 18.40 pm

> > > 13.9.07 - 13.30 pm

> > > 3.10.07 - 1.30 am

> > > 14.10.07 - 19.15 pm

> > > 30.10.07 - 4.45 am

> > > 26.9.07 -4.50 am

> > >

> > > Birth place is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr " *

> > >

> > > I am hopeful that with this much data, you or some other Jyotish

> scholar

> > > will be able to identify the location of bulge. I will post the

> correct

> > > answer in a day or two.

> > >

> > > Warm regards,

> > > Shyam

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> " neelam gupta "

> > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shyam Kansal ji,

> > >

> > > Let me make another attempt at this:

> > >

> > > In all the cases:

> > > Saturn is connected to the 6H in all the charts in rashi/navamsh.

> So

> > > becomes a disease giver. Saturn in cancer, is in pushya or

> ashlesha and in

> > > most cases is further afflicted by rahu, mars, etc.

> > > Ketu in virgo, in the natural 6H, is aspected by Saturn and in

> close

> > > degrees with Saturn, adds to complications.

> > > Mercury in almost all cases is also afflicted.

> > > Natural benefic Jupiter is himself afflicted and in many cases

> also takes

> > > bad lordships.

> > >

> > > Saturn, ketu and mercury seem to relate primarily to the disease

> with other

> > > planets also pitching in. Afflicted rashis are cancer, virgo and

> aries, and

> > > aries is also the sign of double transit, so more in focus. The

> disease

> > > might have cerebral origin.

> > >

> > > I can think of following implications:

> > >

> > > Some disease which affects the fluids in the body. It could be

> blood

> > > circulation, peristaltic action, lymphatic system, etc. Saturn

> brings some

> > > constriction/ restriction with the flow.

> > > It could also affect the working of muscles causing something

> like muscular

> > > atrophy/dystrophy, kind of paralysis due to blockage in blood

> flow. Ketu

> > > causes the disease to be sookshm, reaching the micro/cellular

> level. Being

> > > related to Saturn the affected portion could be legs, especially

> as rahu

> > > aspects saturn from pisces.

> > > Involvement of mercury in this scheme could give some neuro-

> muscular

> > > disorder.

> > > Even dermal eruption of disease cannot be ruled out… (Saturn-

> mercury)

> > >

> > > The disease seems to stem from some congenital deficiency at

> birth like

> > > blockage/ malfunctioning of some gland/sensory area in the brain

> (aries).

> > > But could've manifested first in abdominal region as virgo is

> afflicted with

> > > saturn and ketu, the disease giver, or the legs. If the children

> belonged to

> > > poor sections, we cannot rule out even rickets which is 'sookha

> rog' which

> > > starts with legs and takes over completely in its severe form.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> >

>

---

August 13, 2008

Dear Sunil Bhattacharjya ji,

I am not a doctor of the medical kind.... And I am not aware of the

clinical angle. I guess it is some kind of development disorder, could

happen for many different reasons.

Regards

Neelam

August 13, 2008

Dear Neelam Gupta ji,MY HEARTIEST CONGRATULATIONS !! You have hit the bull's eye with perfection.I knew from the very beginning, when you wrote the preliminary analysis of these cases, that it is a matter of time and little more effort - that you will come out with the correct answer.You wrote in your latest analysis:// The disease could appear in the lower back region as a lump in the spinal chord. Basically it could be something like a meningocoele which is an anomaly of central nervous system which is cerebral in origin but could appear initially somewhere in the spinal region. Here, with the kind of afflictions present, I feel it is in lumbar/sacral region but must also be paralysing the legs. Later it spreads and proves fatal. The child would definitely have something in the cranial region and dermal aberrations also. //Exactly, this is the phenomenon. All children had a bulge/lump in the lower region of the spinal chord at the back. Doctor was also telling the name of this disease on telephone, which I could not understand due to tough pronunciation - but now I remember that perhaps he was saying something like "meningocoele". The cause of disease was told to me as deficiency of some vitamins. Bulandshahr is basically an agriculture based district in Western U.P.. The disease occurred in mostly rural area surrounding this district. Many of the children had their legs paralyzed, as you wrote in your analysis. I have posted another set of several other birth-data today with similar disease. I would request you (and other scholars also) to analyze all these birth-data and post a detailed analysis of all these cases. It would be an unique analysis and research of it's own kind in the field of medical astrology.With warmest regards,Shyam S. Kansal , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:

Dear Shyam Kansal Ji,

I had said,

//The disease seems to stem from some congenital deficiency at birth like

blockage/ malfunctioning of some gland/sensory area in the brain (aries).

But could've manifested first in abdominal region as virgo is afflicted with

saturn and ketu, the disease giver, or the legs.//

I maintain the same but if I have to zero down now, I would add thus:

I am taking the involvement of saturn, ketu, mercury with cancer, virgo and

aries. I would go with virgo for location of the disease because of

afflicted ketu and most of the dashas connecting thus. The disease could

appear in the lower back region as a lump in the spinal chord. Basically it

could be something like a meningocoele which is an anomaly of central

nervous system which is cerebral in origin but could appear initially

somewhere in the spinal region. Here, with the kind of afflictions present,

I feel it is in lumbar/sacral region but must also be paralysing the legs.

Later it spreads and proves fatal. The child would definitely have something

in the cranial region and dermal aberrations also.

Regards

Neelam

August 13, 2008

If the disease can be detected within 1 and a half months of pregnacy,

then why cant they stop it ?

Bhaskaran.

, " bhagavathi_hariharan "

<bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

>

> I wonder if it is spina bifida. Kansalji has mentioned that as per

> the doctor , the disease can be detected as early as 1.5 months of

> pregnancy. Genetic defects of the Spina Bifida, I think can be

> detected only after 16 weeks, usually these are detected by AFP tests

>

> A possibility the children had cystic fibrosis type, that is a

> disorder of the lung and digestive system, a bulge can be seen in the

> groin area, but still, this is indeed a puzzle, I cannot think of any

> prenatal screening as early as 1.5 months. I wonder whether CF can be

> detected that early.

>

> Regards,

>

> bhagavathi

, " neelam gupta "

> neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sheevani ji,

> >

> > Yes, I thought it could be a serious kind of spinal bifida, which is

> > technically meningocoele or mylomeningocoele.

> > This is generally fatal an infant dies soon after birth. Sh Kansal

> still has

> > to confirm if it.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> > 2008/8/13 sheevani147 sheevani147@

> >

> > > Dearest Neelamji,

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > It is always a pleasure and joy to read your well reasoned

> postings..

> > >

> > > I guess, here you are trying to describe a condition called Spinal

> > > Bifida.. where there is a 'lump' or cyst on the spine, more

> commonly

> > > middle and lower back.. This cyst may be covered by a fatty layer

> or

> > > may be sometimes open, and leaking fluid..

> > >

> > > As the lump grows, the pressure on the nerves going through the

> > > spinal canal increases and internal abdominal organs, like

> intestines

> > > kidney and bladder may cease to function properly.. Also the legs

> > > will suffer weakness and loss of muscle..

> > >

> > > With surgery it is possible to remove most of the fatty deposits

> in

> > > the lump,, but sometimes surgery is risky and may still leave the

> > > individual with some disablity..

> > >

> > > I have not checked the new data presented,, but it would be most

> > > interesting to learn about the astrological combinations for

> spinal

> > > bifida..

> > >

> > > warmest regards

> > > Sheevani

> > >

> > > --- In

> <%

> 40>,

> > > " neelam gupta "

> > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shyam Kansal Ji,

> > > >

> > > > I had said,

> > > > //The disease seems to stem from some congenital deficiency at

> > > birth like

> > > > blockage/ malfunctioning of some gland/sensory area in the brain

> > > (aries).

> > > > But could've manifested first in abdominal region as virgo is

> > > afflicted with

> > > > saturn and ketu, the disease giver, or the legs.//

> > > >

> > > > I maintain the same but if I have to zero down now, I would add

> > > thus:

> > > >

> > > > I am taking the involvement of saturn, ketu, mercury with

> cancer,

> > > virgo and

> > > > aries. I would go with virgo for location of the disease

> because of

> > > > afflicted ketu and most of the dashas connecting thus. The

> disease

> > > could

> > > > appear in the lower back region as a lump in the spinal chord.

> > > Basically it

> > > > could be something like a meningocoele which is an anomaly of

> > > central

> > > > nervous system which is cerebral in origin but could appear

> > > initially

> > > > somewhere in the spinal region. Here, with the kind of

> afflictions

> > > present,

> > > > I feel it is in lumbar/sacral region but must also be paralysing

> > > the legs.

> > > > Later it spreads and proves fatal. The child would definitely

> have

> > > something

> > > > in the cranial region and dermal aberrations also.

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Neelam

> > > >

> > > > 2008/8/13 Shyam S. Kansal <jyotishee@>

> > >

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Neelam Gupta ji

> > > > >

> > > > > You are very near to the target, that I can only say.

> > > > >

> > > > > Now a clue .. and I hope you will achieve the target.

> > > > >

> > > > > I was just able to talk to the concerned doctor on telephone

> and

> > > got much

> > > > > clearer picture about the disease. The disease appears in the

> > > form of a

> > > > > " Bulge " on a particular area of the body since birth. In

> fact, he

> > > told that

> > > > > that this disease can be identified after 1.5 months of

> pregnancy

> > > itself and

> > > > > if during pregnancy it is detected, the doctor always advise

> > > abortion.

> > > > >

> > > > > Many children with this disease die within 1 or 2 months. Some

> > > may live up

> > > > > to 6 months or 1 year. A very few lucky ones survive after

> > > successful

> > > > > operation of the bulge.

> > > > >

> > > > > The common factor in all these cases is that " *a bulge appears

> > > at a very

> > > > > specific location of the body* " . Life-span of the children may

> > > differ

> > > > > but location of bulge remains the same.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am posting more such charts from the same doctor's records.

> The

> > > disease

> > > > > is same. Longevity may be between 1 month to 1 year, some of

> them

> > > might have

> > > > > survived also.

> > > > >

> > > > > All dates are written in dd/mm/yy format.

> > > > >

> > > > > *14.5.06 - 12.35 pm

> > > > > 30.9.06 - 13.20 pm

> > > > > 25.10.06 - 5.15 am

> > > > > 3.7.07 - 22.40 pm

> > > > > 11.12.06 - 15.15 pm

> > > > > 24.11.06 - 18.07 pm

> > > > > 19.7.07 - 18.52 pm

> > > > > 13.8.07 - 20.20 pm

> > > > > 3.9.07 - 16.26 pm

> > > > > 15.9.07 - 18.40 pm

> > > > > 13.9.07 - 13.30 pm

> > > > > 3.10.07 - 1.30 am

> > > > > 14.10.07 - 19.15 pm

> > > > > 30.10.07 - 4.45 am

> > > > > 26.9.07 -4.50 am

> > > > >

> > > > > Birth place is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr " *

> > > > >

> > > > > I am hopeful that with this much data, you or some other

> Jyotish

> > > scholar

> > > > > will be able to identify the location of bulge. I will post

> the

> > > correct

> > > > > answer in a day or two.

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > Shyam

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> <%

> 40>,

> > > " neelam gupta "

> > > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shyam Kansal ji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me make another attempt at this:

> > > > >

> > > > > In all the cases:

> > > > > Saturn is connected to the 6H in all the charts in

> rashi/navamsh.

> > > So

> > > > > becomes a disease giver. Saturn in cancer, is in pushya or

> > > ashlesha and in

> > > > > most cases is further afflicted by rahu, mars, etc.

> > > > > Ketu in virgo, in the natural 6H, is aspected by Saturn and in

> > > close

> > > > > degrees with Saturn, adds to complications.

> > > > > Mercury in almost all cases is also afflicted.

> > > > > Natural benefic Jupiter is himself afflicted and in many cases

> > > also takes

> > > > > bad lordships.

> > > > >

> > > > > Saturn, ketu and mercury seem to relate primarily to the

> disease

> > > with other

> > > > > planets also pitching in. Afflicted rashis are cancer, virgo

> and

> > > aries, and

> > > > > aries is also the sign of double transit, so more in focus.

> The

> > > disease

> > > > > might have cerebral origin.

> > > > >

> > > > > I can think of following implications:

> > > > >

> > > > > Some disease which affects the fluids in the body. It could be

> > > blood

> > > > > circulation, peristaltic action, lymphatic system, etc. Saturn

> > > brings some

> > > > > constriction/ restriction with the flow.

> > > > > It could also affect the working of muscles causing something

> > > like muscular

> > > > > atrophy/dystrophy, kind of paralysis due to blockage in blood

> > > flow. Ketu

> > > > > causes the disease to be sookshm, reaching the micro/cellular

> > > level. Being

> > > > > related to Saturn the affected portion could be legs,

> especially

> > > as rahu

> > > > > aspects saturn from pisces.

> > > > > Involvement of mercury in this scheme could give some neuro-

> > > muscular

> > > > > disorder.

> > > > > Even dermal eruption of disease cannot be ruled out…

(Saturn-

> > > mercury)

> > > > >

> > > > > The disease seems to stem from some congenital deficiency at

> > > birth like

> > > > > blockage/ malfunctioning of some gland/sensory area in the

> brain

> > > (aries).

> > > > > But could've manifested first in abdominal region as virgo is

> > > afflicted with

> > > > > saturn and ketu, the disease giver, or the legs. If the

> children

> > > belonged to

> > > > > poor sections, we cannot rule out even rickets which

> is 'sookha

> > > rog' which

> > > > > starts with legs and takes over completely in its severe form.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 13, 2008

many people run the 8th Dasha at the time of their birth. Not all of

them get Death. Many people run the dasha of the 2nd and 7th house at

age of 50. Not all of them get married at age of 50.

The actual reason is something else which we may be missing,

Bhaskaran.

, " bhagavathi_hariharan "

<bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

>

> Sreenadhji,

>

> You are right and not only that, I think two of them atleast have the

> 8L in 8th itself and the native died in dasa of 8th. I have not had

> much time to check all the charts. Anyways, we should thank Kansalji

> for keeping our brains occupied

>

> Rgds,

> bhagavathi

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> sreesog@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhagavati ji,

> > I will second you on this. [] As far as Dasa etc is

> concerned, in

> > many of the cases it is the dasa of of 8th lord (either from Lagna

> or

> > Moon) combined with the Antara of the maraka planet that caused the

> > death - It seems.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > --- In

> , " bhagavathi_hariharan "

> > <bhagavathi_hariharan@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear all,

> > >

> > > This is the best message I have read on this thread so far. This

> is a

> > > very honest and yet truthful statement from Bhaskaranji.

> Determining

> > > longevity is difficult, we are only guessing the body part now. A

> > > true and best astrologer would tell in one single attempt. Even if

> > > anyone of us or maybe even I get correct, I will not be happy,

> > > because, it does not reflect a true attempt.

> > >

> > > First, we should work stepwise. We should determine what caused

> ear;y

> > > death, whether the dasa really is a maraka dasa, etc

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > bhagavathi

> > >

> > > , " Bhaskar "

> > > rajiventerprises@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shyam ji,

> > > >

> > > > Though I was never interested in medical astrology, and still

> not,

> > > yet

> > > > the astrological curiosity got the better in me, and I embarked

> on

> > > to

> > > > cast 5 charts of the lot you presented to the forum. I have to

> make

> > > > confession honestly,-

> > > >

> > > > Of those 5, at least in 2-3 charts I could not determine why the

> > > > longevity is low. And had you asked us straightaway about the

> > > longevity

> > > > of thse chart owners, I would have said " Good " , for the

> majority of

> > > > those charts.Of course my study was just cursory, but all the

> same,

> > > I

> > > > was nowhere near the truth, as you have given us about their

> life-

> > > spans.

> > > >

> > > > I do not mind in stating that I am not a jyotish scholar, and

> > > theres a

> > > > lot to be studied, rsearched and learnt in this small Life, and

> such

> > > > tests of times, as you have given us, show us our place, which

> is

> > > > nothing but a speck of sand on the vast ocean of this beach

> which we

> > > > call " Astrology " .

> > > >

> > > > best wishes,

> > > >

> > > > Bhaskaran.

> > > >

> > > > , " Shyam S.

> Kansal "

> > > > <jyotishee@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyotish scholars

> > > > >

> > > > > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly

> > > qualified

> > > > > medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-

> well

> > > > > maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital,

> > > noting

> > > > > down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these

> birth-

> > > data

> > > > > as per diseases.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of

> hundreds of

> > > such

> > > > > cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died

> > > within a

> > > > > year of their birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr "

> > > (India),

> > > > > 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00

> > > > >

> > > > > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM'

> or 'PM'.

> > > > >

> > > > > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs,

> > > > > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs

> > > > > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs

> > > > > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs

> > > > > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs

> > > > > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs

> > > > > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs

> > > > > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs

> > > > >

> > > > > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease

> and

> > > died

> > > > > with a year or two of their birth.

> > > > >

> > > > > Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body

> > > affected by

> > > > > disease " ?

> > > > >

> > > > > And also, what made these children so short-lived?

> > > > >

> > > > > Warm regards,

> > > > > Shyam S. Kansal

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

August 13, 2008

Dear kansalji,

Thank you for posting the answer. But please also check with the

doctor about the early detection in pregnancy. It is somewhat

puzzling to me. At about 40 days of pregnancy, pregnancy itself can

be confirmed!!

Regards,

bhagavathi

, " Shyam S. Kansal "

<jyotishee wrote:

>

> Dear Neelam Gupta ji,

>

> MY HEARTIEST CONGRATULATIONS !! You have hit the bull's eye with

> perfection.

>

> I knew from the very beginning, when you wrote the preliminary

analysis

> of these cases, that it is a matter of time and little more effort -

> that you will come out with the correct answer.

>

> You wrote in your latest analysis:

>

> // The disease could appear in the lower back region as a lump in

the

> spinal chord. Basically it could be something like a meningocoele

which

> is an anomaly of central nervous system which is cerebral in origin

but

> could appear initially somewhere in the spinal region. Here, with

the

> kind of afflictions present, I feel it is in lumbar/sacral region

but

> must also be paralysing the legs. Later it spreads and proves

fatal. The

> child would definitely have something in the cranial region and

dermal

> aberrations also. //

>

> Exactly, this is the phenomenon. All children had a bulge/lump in

the

> lower region of the spinal chord at the back. Doctor was also

telling

> the name of this disease on telephone, which I could not understand

due

> to tough pronunciation - but now I remember that perhaps he was

saying

> something like " meningocoele " . The cause of disease was told to me

as

> deficiency of some vitamins. Bulandshahr is basically an agriculture

> based district in Western U.P.. The disease occurred in mostly

rural

> area surrounding this district. Many of the children had their legs

> paralyzed, as you wrote in your analysis.

>

> I have posted another set of several other birth-data today with

similar

> disease. I would request you (and other scholars also) to analyze

all

> these birth-data and post a detailed analysis of all these cases. It

> would be an unique analysis and research of it's own kind in the

field

> of medical astrology.

>

> With warmest regards,

> Shyam S. Kansal

>

> , " neelam gupta "

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> Dear Shyam Kansal Ji,

>

> I had said,

> //The disease seems to stem from some congenital deficiency at birth

> like

> blockage/ malfunctioning of some gland/sensory area in the brain

> (aries).

> But could've manifested first in abdominal region as virgo is

afflicted

> with

> saturn and ketu, the disease giver, or the legs.//

>

> I maintain the same but if I have to zero down now, I would add

thus:

>

> I am taking the involvement of saturn, ketu, mercury with cancer,

virgo

> and

> aries. I would go with virgo for location of the disease because of

> afflicted ketu and most of the dashas connecting thus. The disease

could

> appear in the lower back region as a lump in the spinal chord.

Basically

> it

> could be something like a meningocoele which is an anomaly of

central

> nervous system which is cerebral in origin but could appear

initially

> somewhere in the spinal region. Here, with the kind of afflictions

> present,

> I feel it is in lumbar/sacral region but must also be paralysing the

> legs.

> Later it spreads and proves fatal. The child would definitely have

> something

> in the cranial region and dermal aberrations also.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

August 13, 2008

Hare ramakrishna

respected bhaskar ji

our quest here is just try to see wheter we can see early death in this chart ,if so what reason it can b .even tho many many contributing factors t there and even after astrologers predictions then critics can come out and say see he failed to tell the name of the discease as astrologer may fail to name the funny name of those discieses which is not our portfolio ,but we can still try can we identify early deaths in a kids chart and afflicted areas while at the time of birth ( atleast Neelam jis prediction proves it )

but again the question may arise why not to all those born is same time frame ,Offcource their our other principles of sandhi ,mrityubhaga also nite birth ,day birth ( with weak moon etc ) may come our aid .also it says any durlakshana happening at the time of birth of kids like digdahanam ( means u feel like all directions are burning ) and bad nimittas are pointers and which can b seen by local astrologer who is welversed in sastras.

i take this opportunity to congratulate smt .Neelam ji for her accurate prediction

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > What is the sense of all these post martems ? Unless and until you are> able to stop further deaths in that area ???> > I too congratulate Neelamji for reaching the truth. Great.> > Shabhaash. Hard work and efforts all finally realised.> > Bhaskaran.> > > > > > > , "Shyam S. Kansal"> jyotishee@ wrote:> >> > Dear Neelam Gupta ji,> >> > MY HEARTIEST CONGRATULATIONS !! You have hit the bull's eye with> > perfection.> >> > I knew from the very beginning, when you wrote the preliminary> analysis> > of these cases, that it is a matter of time and little more effort -> > that you will come out with the correct answer.> >> > You wrote in your latest analysis:> >> > // The disease could appear in the lower back region as a lump in the> > spinal chord. Basically it could be something like a meningocoele> which> > is an anomaly of central nervous system which is cerebral in origin> but> > could appear initially somewhere in the spinal region. Here, with the> > kind of afflictions present, I feel it is in lumbar/sacral region but> > must also be paralysing the legs. Later it spreads and proves fatal.> The> > child would definitely have something in the cranial region and dermal> > aberrations also. //> >> > Exactly, this is the phenomenon. All children had a bulge/lump in the> > lower region of the spinal chord at the back. Doctor was also telling> > the name of this disease on telephone, which I could not understand> due> > to tough pronunciation - but now I remember that perhaps he was saying> > something like "meningocoele". The cause of disease was told to me as> > deficiency of some vitamins. Bulandshahr is basically an agriculture> > based district in Western U.P.. The disease occurred in mostly rural> > area surrounding this district. Many of the children had their legs> > paralyzed, as you wrote in your analysis.> >> > I have posted another set of several other birth-data today with> similar> > disease. I would request you (and other scholars also) to analyze all> > these birth-data and post a detailed analysis of all these cases. It> > would be an unique analysis and research of it's own kind in the field> > of medical astrology.> >> > With warmest regards,> > Shyam S. Kansal> >> >> > , "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > Dear Shyam Kansal Ji,> >> > I had said,> > //The disease seems to stem from some congenital deficiency at birth> > like> > blockage/ malfunctioning of some gland/sensory area in the brain> > (aries).> > But could've manifested first in abdominal region as virgo is> afflicted> > with> > saturn and ketu, the disease giver, or the legs.//> >> > I maintain the same but if I have to zero down now, I would add thus:> >> > I am taking the involvement of saturn, ketu, mercury with cancer,> virgo> > and> > aries. I would go with virgo for location of the disease because of> > afflicted ketu and most of the dashas connecting thus. The disease> could> > appear in the lower back region as a lump in the spinal chord.> Basically> > it> > could be something like a meningocoele which is an anomaly of central> > nervous system which is cerebral in origin but could appear initially> > somewhere in the spinal region. Here, with the kind of afflictions> > present,> > I feel it is in lumbar/sacral region but must also be paralysing the> > legs.> > Later it spreads and proves fatal. The child would definitely have> > something> > in the cranial region and dermal aberrations also.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >>

August 13, 2008

Dear Ash jiI am afraid that concerned doctor has not kept any such record as to when the deaths occurred. Mostly, patients are relieved from the hospital after few days of treatment. Children died mostly at their homes. However, being a leading neuro-surgeon, he could presume approximate remaining days of his patients according to the severity of the disease. He just noted that patient has died whenever he got the news later on.Regards,Shyam , "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:Dear

Shyam ji,

If

possible can you get the exact dates of deaths. I am very interested in timing of

events.

Here

is my analysis. I am short of time,

so am not writing up the details. I

have just highlighted the key points.

August 13, 2008

Dear Bhagavathi jiYou may be correct. I am not much aware about this aspect. As I wrote in my earlier mail that I was able to talk to the concerned doctor today over cell phone, after several attempts. He is very busy practitioner of our district. I asked him several questions to gain more knowledge about the said disease. He told me several things about the disease, (including it's name, which I am unable to re-collect properly now due to it's tough spelling).I do remember very-well that he said that bulge on the spinal chord can be detected in very early stages of pregnancy, and though I'm not very sure, I think he mentioned it as 6 weeks. I may be wrong in "6-weeks" statement. I will try to re-confirm it from him and if I could, I will inform this forum with the correction.Kind regards,Shyam , "bhagavathi_hariharan"

Dear kansalji,

Thank you for posting the answer. But please also check with the

doctor about the early detection in pregnancy. It is somewhat

puzzling to me. At about 40 days of pregnancy, pregnancy itself can

be confirmed!!

Regards,

bhagavathi

August 13, 2008

Dear All, I am much interested in this issue on Medical Astrology, i have also my own dates of birth and diseases i analyze as i have this possibility, working in healthcare. On this topic i was thinking also if there is possible to think about some group Karma, or social Karma, because as we know the epidemic phenomenas are common all over the world, in all times. For details on these epidemic diseases see:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemic I was thinking if in this epidemic cases which are giving a high rate of mortality we can find astrological reasons, perhaps planets as Jupiter, or Saturn which are not so fast moving, in debilitated signs, can give some answers.Love and kind Regards,Liana , "revati_n27" <revati_n27 wrote:>> Dear Kansalji:> > Sorry for diverting the subject, I am very surprised by the number of > infant deaths in a time span of three years in a small place. Besides > the astrological factors, they might want to (must have done already)> look deep into the causes such as enviromental or nutritional factors. > I hope they can find the cause and prevent this from happeneing.> > Jaya>

August 13, 2008

Dear Neelam-ji,

Just one word- BRILLIANT!

Thanks

Souvik

, " sheevani147 "

<sheevani147 wrote:

>

> Dearest Neelam ji,

>

> My heartiest congratulations for your analytical skills.. Well

done..

>

> It is sad that there are still so many cases of Spinal Bifida even

in

> this age..

>

> Spinal Bifida is more common with older parents (over 40's) and it

is

> also common where there is under-nourishment.. Folic acid is a

water

> soluble form of the vitamin B group and it is very important for

the

> proper development of the nerve and brain tissue in the embryo.

>

> Spinal bifida is also screened in the ante natal stage with a blood

> test at 16 weeks development.. looking at alpha fetal proteins

> levels..

>

> To reduce incidence of this disease, women should take a good diet

> and regular dose of multi-vitamins before conception and especially

> during the first 3 months of pregnancy. Ante natal checks also

> essential..

>

> I have a chart of a person with spinal bifida, who is now happily

> married with one child.. The native had surgery within weeks of the

> birth, but has some weakness in the legs and bladder function..

> Otherwise she leads a very normal life..

>

> warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

> , " Shyam S. Kansal "

> <jyotishee@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neelam Gupta ji,

> >

> > MY HEARTIEST CONGRATULATIONS !! You have hit the bull's eye with

> > perfection.

> >

> > I knew from the very beginning, when you wrote the preliminary

> analysis

> > of these cases, that it is a matter of time and little more

effort -

> > that you will come out with the correct answer.

> >

> > You wrote in your latest analysis:

> >

> > // The disease could appear in the lower back region as a lump in

> the

> > spinal chord. Basically it could be something like a meningocoele

> which

> > is an anomaly of central nervous system which is cerebral in

origin

> but

> > could appear initially somewhere in the spinal region. Here, with

> the

> > kind of afflictions present, I feel it is in lumbar/sacral region

> but

> > must also be paralysing the legs. Later it spreads and proves

> fatal. The

> > child would definitely have something in the cranial region and

> dermal

> > aberrations also. //

> >

> > Exactly, this is the phenomenon. All children had a bulge/lump in

> the

> > lower region of the spinal chord at the back. Doctor was also

> telling

> > the name of this disease on telephone, which I could not

understand

> due

> > to tough pronunciation - but now I remember that perhaps he was

> saying

> > something like " meningocoele " . The cause of disease was told to

me

> as

> > deficiency of some vitamins. Bulandshahr is basically an

agriculture

> > based district in Western U.P.. The disease occurred in mostly

> rural

> > area surrounding this district. Many of the children had their

legs

> > paralyzed, as you wrote in your analysis.

> >

> > I have posted another set of several other birth-data today with

> similar

> > disease. I would request you (and other scholars also) to analyze

> all

> > these birth-data and post a detailed analysis of all these cases.

It

> > would be an unique analysis and research of it's own kind in the

> field

> > of medical astrology.

> >

> > With warmest regards,

> > Shyam S. Kansal

> >

> > , " neelam gupta "

> > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> > Dear Shyam Kansal Ji,

> >

> > I had said,

> > //The disease seems to stem from some congenital deficiency at

birth

> > like

> > blockage/ malfunctioning of some gland/sensory area in the brain

> > (aries).

> > But could've manifested first in abdominal region as virgo is

> afflicted

> > with

> > saturn and ketu, the disease giver, or the legs.//

> >

> > I maintain the same but if I have to zero down now, I would add

> thus:

> >

> > I am taking the involvement of saturn, ketu, mercury with cancer,

> virgo

> > and

> > aries. I would go with virgo for location of the disease because

of

> > afflicted ketu and most of the dashas connecting thus. The

disease

> could

> > appear in the lower back region as a lump in the spinal chord.

> Basically

> > it

> > could be something like a meningocoele which is an anomaly of

> central

> > nervous system which is cerebral in origin but could appear

> initially

> > somewhere in the spinal region. Here, with the kind of afflictions

> > present,

> > I feel it is in lumbar/sacral region but must also be paralysing

the

> > legs.

> > Later it spreads and proves fatal. The child would definitely have

> > something

> > in the cranial region and dermal aberrations also.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

August 14, 2008

Dear Neelam ji,

Your versatality is well proven...Congratulations!

blessings

Renu

August 14, 2008

Dear Jaya ji,

I full agree with you and this was thought that was lingering in my

mind at the first instance when I went through this data. It is very

sad that that so many infant deaths take place when the medical field

is so advanced. Now as the cause is given as to malnutrition of the

pregnant mother, I wonder why no one took any step to prevent it so

far.

blessings

Renu

, " revati_n27 "

<revati_n27 wrote:

>

> Dear Kansalji:

>

> Sorry for diverting the subject, I am very surprised by the number

of

> infant deaths in a time span of three years in a small place.

Besides

> the astrological factors, they might want to (must have done already)

> look deep into the causes such as enviromental or nutritional

factors.

> I hope they can find the cause and prevent this from happeneing.

>

> Jaya

>

August 14, 2008

Respected Bhagavathi Hariharan,

I am highly thankful to you for the classes.

Will you please be kind enough to give details of Cuddalore?

Regards

--- On Thu, 8/14/08, bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan

wrote:

bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan

Re: Research data for medical-astrology

Thursday, August 14, 2008, 2:12 AM

Dear all,

This is one of the 8 charts of " Bulandshahr "

// 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs//

I have one in my collection, that is simiar to this but for the lagna

and the moon

// 26th March, 2006, 00.17.00 , Cuddalore //

What is the status of this girl?

bhagavathi

August 14, 2008

Dear learned members of the forum,

I decided to keep myself away from the " Research data for medical astrology " But

I am sorry to intervene as I feel that the group is going way from the thread.

The members are putting queries as if they are medical practitioner. I am teach

medical astrology since 1993.

I stared teaching astrology in Bhartiya Vidhya Bhawan in 1993 and continue the

same in ICAS till date. So I shall like to request the members of the forum that

they should keep in mind that they are only astrologer not medical man. As an

astrologer we can predict the period of on set of disease, 2. the locality of

the disease, 3. whether the disease will be acute or chronic, 4. longevity of

the patient. We should keep in mind that the free will and medical help can

change the period of longevity. The astrology in indicative not determined

science. I shall like to advice dear friends that they should not try to give

names to the disease. If they try to give the name to the disease such as

cancer, there are so many types of Cancer according to the locality and tissue

involved. The heart problem is hear problem, liver problem is liver problem, do

not try to give name.

So far as death of children is concerned, I have found that 1. Moon is

afflicted, 2. lagna and lagna lord is afflicted, 3. kendra from lagna or Moon

are occupied by the malefic planets, 4. house is occupied by malefic planet, 5.

the birth at sunrise or sunset, 6. gandant nakshatra, 7. Dasha of maraka or

badhaka or 22nd dreshkone, or 64th navamsha etc. But these are the main points

to be considered for the death of a child. Our whole classic texts are full of

balarisha which give indications of death or illness prevailing according to

Desh, Kala, and Patra.

These are my personal views you are free to differ with me.

Regards.

--- On Thu, 8/14/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

Re: Research data for medical-astrology

Thursday, August 14, 2008, 12:43 AM

Hare ramakrishna

respected bhaskar ji

our quest here is just try to see wheter we can see early death in this chart

,if so what reason it can b .even tho many many contributing factors t there and

even after astrologers predictions then critics can come out and say see he

failed to tell the name of the discease as astrologer may fail to name the funny

name of those discieses which is not our portfolio ,but we can still try can we

identify early deaths in a kids chart and afflicted areas while at the time of

birth ( atleast Neelam jis prediction proves it )

but again the question may arise why not to all those born is same time frame

,Offcource their our other principles of sandhi ,mrityubhaga also nite birth

,day birth ( with weak moon etc ) may come our aid .also it says any durlakshana

happening at the time of birth of kids like digdahanam ( means u feel like all

directions are burning ) and bad nimittas are pointers and which can b seen by

local astrologer who is welversed in sastras.

i take this opportunity to congratulate smt .Neelam ji for her accurate

prediction

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

August 14, 2008

Dear Revati ji, As per wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spina_bifida)- ============== There is no single cause of spina bifida nor any known way to prevent it entirely. However, dietary supplementation with folic acid has been shown to be helpful in preventing spina bifida (see above). Sources of folic acid include whole grains, fortified breakfast cereals, dried beans, leaf vegetables and fruits.[15]

Folate fortification of enriched grain products has been mandatory in the United States since 1998. The FDA, PHAC[16] and UK recommended amount of folic acid for women of childbearing age and women planning to become pregnant is at least 0.4 mg/day of folic acid from at least three months before conception, and continued for the first 12 weeks of pregnancy.[17] Women who have already had a baby with spina bifida or other type of neural tube defect, or are taking anticonvulsant medication should take a higher dose of 4–5 mg/day.[17]

Certain mutations in the gene VANGL1 are implicated as a risk factor for spina bifida: these mutations have been linked with spina bifida in some families with a history of spina bifida.[18]================== Thus lack of nutritious food seems to be one of the major reason.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "revati_n27" <revati_n27 wrote:>> Dear Kansalji:> > Sorry for diverting the subject, I am very surprised by the number of > infant deaths in a time span of three years in a small place. Besides > the astrological factors, they might want to (must have done already)> look deep into the causes such as enviromental or nutritional factors. > I hope they can find the cause and prevent this from happeneing.> > Jaya>

August 14, 2008

Dear Shri Kursija ji and the learned members,

I agree completely with Shri Kursijaji, here. The astrologers job is enough to pin point the area of disease, whether it would be fatal or recoverable, if recoverable then when ? These issues if an astrologer is able to solve, then it is just more than enough. Anything better than that is always welcome, of course, but not within the framewok of the astrologer, and neither expected from him.

Longevity ise is another isue which is not easy to be tackled at all. So however much a astrologer may learn about balarishta yogas, it would be difficult for him to point out early death, and even if he does so, how could one tell the parent that " Your child would die early , as I find this disease setting up in his body " To achieve this perfection in astrology is not a easy cake walk, to tell a parent about incoming death of their new born child is a grave task, and a solid reason would have to be told to the parents supplementing this revelation, as to what disease is seen incoming.

Which emans that the astrologer would have to be perfect on 2 counts -

1) Predicting longevity, in this case early death to the new born.

2) Predicting the disease.

Because if the astrologer only talks about the first point without mentioning the 2nd point to the parent, he would be thrown out of the house of the native within no time.

Hope I am making some sense .

Another point, Shri Shyam Kansalji , Medical enquiry comes first in medical cases ad then comes astrological enquiry. If the Doctor cannot predict early death to the child with hundreds and thousands of means and resources, an astrologer may not be able to help much in those cases of early deaths. For instance, the sex- determination is more easier with a sonography done on the pregnant lady, rathr than goin to a astrologr and asking him what could be my childs sex. ( This is a seperate matter tha its no longer legal, but almost all private clinics do unofficially reveal , what is being enquired ).

Astrologers would do better at predicting other matters of day to day, rather than predicting balarishta or sex determination, or the exact day of marriage, or answering such intense queries, because for that one needs a rigourous discipline, a life of austerity and yama and niyama , of all types, for the astrologer, coupled with a good volume of knowledge concerned to astrology and astronomy, strengthened with experience due to the major part of his Life devoted to studying astrology. And not many of us, pass this test.

best wishes,

Bhaskaran.

, "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> > > Dear learned members of the forum,> > I decided to keep myself away from the "Research data for medical astrology" But I am sorry to intervene as I feel that the group is going way from the thread. The members are putting queries as if they are medical practitioner. I am teach medical astrology since 1993.> > I stared teaching astrology in Bhartiya Vidhya Bhawan in 1993 and continue the same in ICAS till date. So I shall like to request the members of the forum that they should keep in mind that they are only astrologer not medical man. As an astrologer we can predict the period of on set of disease, 2. the locality of the disease, 3. whether the disease will be acute or chronic, 4. longevity of the patient. We should keep in mind that the free will and medical help can change the period of longevity. The astrology in indicative not determined science. I shall like to advice dear friends that they should not try to give names to the disease. If they try to give the name to the disease such as cancer, there are so many types of Cancer according to the locality and tissue involved. The heart problem is hear problem, liver problem is liver problem, do not try to give name.> > > So far as death of children is concerned, I have found that 1. Moon is afflicted, 2. lagna and lagna lord is afflicted, 3. kendra from lagna or Moon are occupied by the malefic planets, 4. house is occupied by malefic planet, 5. the birth at sunrise or sunset, 6. gandant nakshatra, 7. Dasha of maraka or badhaka or 22nd dreshkone, or 64th navamsha etc. But these are the main points to be considered for the death of a child. Our whole classic texts are full of balarisha which give indications of death or illness prevailing according to Desh, Kala, and Patra.> > > These are my personal views you are free to differ with me.> Regards.> > --- On Thu, 8/14/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Research data for medical-astrology> > Thursday, August 14, 2008, 12:43 AM> > > Hare ramakrishna> respected bhaskar ji> > > our quest here is just try to see wheter we can see early death in this chart ,if so what reason it can b .even tho many many contributing factors t there and even after astrologers predictions then critics can come out and say see he failed to tell the name of the discease as astrologer may fail to name the funny name of those discieses which is not our portfolio ,but we can still try can we identify early deaths in a kids chart and afflicted areas while at the time of birth ( atleast Neelam jis prediction proves it )> > > but again the question may arise why not to all those born is same time frame ,Offcource their our other principles of sandhi ,mrityubhaga also nite birth ,day birth ( with weak moon etc ) may come our aid .also it says any durlakshana happening at the time of birth of kids like digdahanam ( means u feel like all directions are burning ) and bad nimittas are pointers and which can b seen by local astrologer who is welversed in sastras.> > i take this opportunity to congratulate smt .Neelam ji for her accurate prediction> > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > >

August 14, 2008

Dear Neelam ji, and Kansal ji, My heartist congradulations to Kansal ji for posting such worthy data for analysis and Neelam ji for arriving at the exact kind of disease through the astrological perspective. Well done! It is the kind of studies that should happen in this group, so that our understanding of astrological priciples and their application could improve. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Shyam S. Kansal" <jyotishee wrote:>> Dear Neelam Gupta ji,> > MY HEARTIEST CONGRATULATIONS !! You have hit the bull's eye with> perfection.> > I knew from the very beginning, when you wrote the preliminary analysis> of these cases, that it is a matter of time and little more effort -> that you will come out with the correct answer.> > You wrote in your latest analysis:> > // The disease could appear in the lower back region as a lump in the> spinal chord. Basically it could be something like a meningocoele which> is an anomaly of central nervous system which is cerebral in origin but> could appear initially somewhere in the spinal region. Here, with the> kind of afflictions present, I feel it is in lumbar/sacral region but> must also be paralysing the legs. Later it spreads and proves fatal. The> child would definitely have something in the cranial region and dermal> aberrations also. //> > Exactly, this is the phenomenon. All children had a bulge/lump in the> lower region of the spinal chord at the back. Doctor was also telling> the name of this disease on telephone, which I could not understand due> to tough pronunciation - but now I remember that perhaps he was saying> something like "meningocoele". The cause of disease was told to me as> deficiency of some vitamins. Bulandshahr is basically an agriculture> based district in Western U.P.. The disease occurred in mostly rural> area surrounding this district. Many of the children had their legs> paralyzed, as you wrote in your analysis.> > I have posted another set of several other birth-data today with similar> disease. I would request you (and other scholars also) to analyze all> these birth-data and post a detailed analysis of all these cases. It> would be an unique analysis and research of it's own kind in the field> of medical astrology.> > With warmest regards,> Shyam S. Kansal> > > , "neelam gupta"> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> Dear Shyam Kansal Ji,> > I had said,> //The disease seems to stem from some congenital deficiency at birth> like> blockage/ malfunctioning of some gland/sensory area in the brain> (aries).> But could've manifested first in abdominal region as virgo is afflicted> with> saturn and ketu, the disease giver, or the legs.//> > I maintain the same but if I have to zero down now, I would add thus:> > I am taking the involvement of saturn, ketu, mercury with cancer, virgo> and> aries. I would go with virgo for location of the disease because of> afflicted ketu and most of the dashas connecting thus. The disease could> appear in the lower back region as a lump in the spinal chord. Basically> it> could be something like a meningocoele which is an anomaly of central> nervous system which is cerebral in origin but could appear initially> somewhere in the spinal region. Here, with the kind of afflictions> present,> I feel it is in lumbar/sacral region but must also be paralysing the> legs.> Later it spreads and proves fatal. The child would definitely have> something> in the cranial region and dermal aberrations also.> > Regards> Neelam>

August 14, 2008

Hare rama krishna

respected bhaskaran ji

I agree with all points which u pointed out ,which very much true .

even if we know ( means many astrologers those who r good and has nativs chart ,prashna and nimmittas --so he knows it if consulted personly and in face to face ) but the speling out the truth is real problem .

Even sastras underlines many pre conditions b4 we predicting ,even we cannot predict bad or death of some ones life partner ( unless we sure abt the intention of quesriest --astrologicaly mainly and also logicaly ) as some may came to devise some bad plan and it can back fire on astrologer as he was a party in that bad karma .same is the case with other bad sounding predictions the dilemma of astrologer is there .

thank u for a thought provoking mail

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > Dear Shri Kursija ji and the learned members,> > I agree completely with Shri Kursijaji, here. The astrologers job is> enough to pin point the area of disease, whether it would be fatal or> recoverable, if recoverable then when ? These issues if an astrologer is> able to solve, then it is just more than enough. Anything better than> that is always welcome, of course, but not within the framewok of the> astrologer, and neither expected from him.> > Longevity ise is another isue which is not easy to be tackled at all. So> however much a astrologer may learn about balarishta yogas, it would be> difficult for him to point out early death, and even if he does so, how> could one tell the parent that " Your child would die early , as I find> this disease setting up in his body " To achieve this perfection in> astrology is not a easy cake walk, to tell a parent about incoming death> of their new born child is a grave task, and a solid reason would have> to be told to the parents supplementing this revelation, as to what> disease is seen incoming.> > Which emans that the astrologer would have to be perfect on 2 counts -> > 1) Predicting longevity, in this case early death to the new born.> > 2) Predicting the disease.> > Because if the astrologer only talks about the first point without> mentioning the 2nd point to the parent, he would be thrown out of the> house of the native within no time.> > Hope I am making some sense .> > Another point, Shri Shyam Kansalji , Medical enquiry comes first in> medical cases ad then comes astrological enquiry. If the Doctor cannot> predict early death to the child with hundreds and thousands of means> and resources, an astrologer may not be able to help much in those cases> of early deaths. For instance, the sex- determination is more easier> with a sonography done on the pregnant lady, rathr than goin to a> astrologr and asking him what could be my childs sex. ( This is a> seperate matter tha its no longer legal, but almost all private clinics> do unofficially reveal , what is being enquired ).> > Astrologers would do better at predicting other matters of day to day,> rather than predicting balarishta or sex determination, or the exact day> of marriage, or answering such intense queries, because for that one> needs a rigourous discipline, a life of austerity and yama and niyama ,> of all types, for the astrologer, coupled with a good volume of> knowledge concerned to astrology and astronomy, strengthened with> experience due to the major part of his Life devoted to studying> astrology. And not many of us, pass this test.> > best wishes,> > Bhaskaran.>

August 14, 2008

Resp Kursija,

Thank you. Cuddalore is in Tamilnadu, it is an industrial area, also

famous for beaches and tourism. Hope this answers your question.

Regards,

bhagavathi

August 15, 2008

Dear Ash Ji,That is an interesting set of charts you have given for furthering our thoughts on the subject.With my little knowledge about KAS, I am making an attempt on the charts.I was interested in 3 things:First is the Main Period Lord, second is the reason for death and the third is the type of death.Main Period Lord:1. For the timing of events such as death, Main Period Lord is also to be considered as per a message I read in the archives. And of course the general rule says that the main period is that of Karaka planet or its SD. So I tried to correlate the MPL with the karaka for death. I did not touch the sub period lord as you have already given the probable dates. Further when I went through the entire message link in the ancient-indian-astrology group, I find that the exact date of death is not known. However, since it is mentioned that the death happened within a year or two of birth, you have probably worked out the sub periods. So, for the same reason, I took up the MPL based on your fixation of Sub-lord.Rules I found for fixing the MPL:a. Event would generally be limited to the house for which the MPL is the FK and then for the houses for which it is NK. It may also take place for which MPL is karaka for house D & E. (This point I am not able to understand)

Chart

MPL

MPL is

FK for

NK for

NSD to

FSD to

12/09/2006

Su

1st

10th

Ma

Ve, Ma

05/05/2006

Me

3rd & 12th

8th & 11th

Su, Sa

08/08/2006

Su

6th

10th

Ma

Me, Ve, Sa

19/10/2005

Me

4th & 7th

8th & 11th

Su, Ju, Sa, Ma

16/03/2006

Mo

7th

9th

Ma

Ke, Me

19/02/2006

Ra-Ju/Sa

for Ju-7 & 10for Sa-8 & 9

for Ju-2 & 5for Sa-3 & 4

Sa-Ve

for Ju-Mo, Sa, Vefor Sa-Mo, Ju, Ve

08/12/2005

Ra-Ju/Me

for Ju-9 & 12for Me-3 & 6

for Ju-2 & 5for Me-8 & 11

for Ju-Safor Me-Su,Mo

27/12/2005

Ju

3 & 6

2nd & 5th

Mo, Sa

b. If death occurs in the 3rd Lord's Mahadasa or its SD, then it might be an indicator of a more natural death rather than by some other means. The Mahadasa is important at the time of death as it shows the karaka and reason for death.

Chart

MPL

3rd lord

Planet in 3rd withmore than 4 points

NSD to3rd lord

FSD to3rd lord

Event

12/09/2006

Su

JU

Ra-Ju/Ju(5)

Sa, Ma

Rule does not fit in.

05/05/2006

Me

Sa

Ve

Mo, Ve

Rule does not fit in.

08/08/2006

Su

Ve

Planet Ju not taken as only 3 points

Sa

Su, Me, Sa, Mo

Mahadasa Lord is FSDto 3rd Lord Ve.

19/10/2005

Me

Ma

Planet Ve not taken asonly 4 points

Su

Mo, Ve

Rule does not fit in.

16/03/2006

Mo

Me

Mo (8 points)Ke-Ju/Sa - Only Juwhich has 6 points

Ve

Planet in 3rd-Mo having 8 points triggered the event

19/02/2006

Ra-Ju/Sa

Sa

for Sa-Ve

Mo, Ju, Ve

Mahadasa lord Ra which is likeJu is SD to 3rd lord Sa

08/12/2005

Ra-Ju/Me

Ma

Su & Me not taken as only 4 points

Su

Ve, Su

Rule does not fit in.

27/12/2005

Ju

Ve

Sa

Ju

Mahadasa lord Ju is SDto 3rd lord Ve.

From the above I find that in 4 cases the rule does not apply. So went to the next rule which says:

c. If death is due to illness, then karaka for 6th is to be seen. If death is due to accident, then karaka for 2nd is to be looked into and if death is delayed after accident then karaka for 1st is seen. If death is due to action of law.. ex. execution etc., then karaka for 7th is to be taken. In the present case all the deaths were due to illness which had come right from 1.5 months of pregnancy. Hence I thought it should not be treated as a natural death. So I applied the 2nd rule i.e. I took the karaka for the 6th house. Here is the list of karakas for all the charts along with the MPL and its relation to the karaka. Focus house is 6th.:

Chart

FK for6th house

NK for6th house

MPL

Relation of MPL to karaka (NK, FK or planetplaced in karaka house)

12/09/2006

Sa

Ma

Su

Su is placed in Navamsa of Ma-Hence SD to SuAlso Ma and Su are natural SDs.

05/05/2006

Ju

Ma

Me

Ma and Ke are in 4-10 relationship. Ke is like Me or Su.Karaka for D is Me.

08/08/2006

Su

Ma

Su

FK and MPL are same. Ma is placed in Karaka house

19/10/2005

Me

Ma

Me

FK and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Me. Ke isplaced in karaka house and is like Me (Virgo)

16/03/2006

Mo

Ma

Mo

FK and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Ma.

19/02/2006

Ma

Ra

Rahu is like Ju and/or Sa. Ma is placed in Navamsa of Ju-Hence becomes SD to Ju. Also karaka for house E is Ma.

08/12/2005

Me

Ma

Ra

Ra is like Ju and/or Me. So MPL is Me and equates to FK.Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is placed in karaka house whowill behave like Me (Vi)

27/12/2005

Ju

Ma

Ju

FK and MPL are same. Ra is placed in A6 and will behavelike Ju (Pi)

So we can conclude that the death was due to illness denoted as above and this forms the reason for the death.

However I found in one message that the (a) 8th house indicates death-house B; (b) 3rd house indicates the reason for death-Karakatwa-house A; © 12th indicates the type of death-house C.

From the messages in the ancient-indian-astrology group, I find that the reason for the death was:

"All children had a bulge/lump in the lower region of the spinal chord at the back. and the name of this disease is "meningocoele". The cause of disease was beause of deficiency of some vitamins. Bulandshahr is basically an agriculture based district in Western U.P.. The disease occurred in mostly rural area surrounding this district. Many of the children had their legs paralyzed."

How to fix this in our KAS - both for reason for death and type of death.

Bala

, "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:>> Dear Shyam ji,> > If possible can you get the exact dates of deaths. I am very interested in> timing of events.> > Here is my analysis. I am short of time, so am not writing up the details.> I have just highlighted the key points.> > > Notes for Readers> > Main thing to observe as per KAS is that each death was linked to highest> power planet or related to 1st or 5th house / lord. > > For the readers> > LoE = 1st house lord> LoD = 5th house lord.> > When I make a reference to Highest power I mean the highest power for 8th> house in KAS as per KAS program.> > > > > > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > > Saturn 2007-May-21> 2008-May-02 > Mercury 2008-May-02> 2009-Mar-09 > > Highest points, Sa is lagna so LoD and Me is SD to Sa in navamsa> > > > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > > Jupiter 2004-May-05> 2006-Aug-10 > Saturn 2006-Aug-10> 2009-Apr-20 > > Ju is lagna lord. LoE.> > Me/Ju> > > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs> > Ketu 2008-Jan-27> 2008-Jun-03 > Venus 2008-Jun-03> 2009-Jun-03 > > Ketu is SD to Sun. Sun is Lagna lord. LoE> > > > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs> > Jupiter 2004-Apr-30> 2006-Dec-30 > Saturn 2006-Dec-30> 2010-Mar-01 > > > Ve/Sa. Sa is highest power planet and LoD. Ve is in 3rd house. This is> with Cancer lagna.> > Here in this case lagna is at the very border, a very slight change in birth> time. > > With Leo lagna, Sa has the highest power and Ju is LoD. So both can give> death.> > If exact time is known it will be good learning.> > > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs> > Saturn 2004-Dec-09> 2006-Jul-10 > Mercury 2006-Jul-10> 2007-Dec-09 > Ketu 2007-Dec-09> 2008-Jul-09 > > > Sa and Me are weak.> Death might happen in Ketu. Ketu is SD to Mo and Mo is highest power planet> and LoE.> > > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs> > > Ra/Ra > > Rahu 2004-Feb-24> 2006-Nov-06 > Jupiter 2006-Nov-06> 2009-Apr-01 > > > Ra is in 5th house so LoD> > > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs> > Venus 2004-Dec-01> 2007-Dec-01 > Sun 2007-Dec-01> 2008-Oct-25 > > Death might have happened in Venus> > Ve is 3rd highest, in Hosue D with 4 bindus and FSD to Sa in navamsa who is> LoD.> > > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs> > Saturn 2005-Jun-29> 2008-Jan-10 > Mercury 2008-Jan-10> 2010-Apr-17 > > > Sa is highest power planet and in 4:10 with Ju who is LoE and Sa is in House> D.> > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > On Behalf Of Shyam S.> Kansal> Tuesday August 12, 2008 4:27 AM> > Research data for medical-astrology> > Dear Jyotish scholars> > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly qualified> medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well> maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting> down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth-data> as per diseases.> > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such> cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a> year of their birth. > > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. "Bulandshahr" (India),> 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00 > > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'.> > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs> 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs> 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs> 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs> 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs> 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs> > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died> with a year or two of their birth.> > Can we identify the "Type of disease" or the "Part of body affected by> disease"?> > And also, what made these children so short-lived?> > Warm regards,> Shyam S. Kansal>

August 16, 2008

Dear

Bala ji,

This

time again, some very strange phenomenon occurred when I was about to discuss

this with Guruji.

Guruji’s computer got spoilt just about the time I started

to talk about this topic of Death.

Time

and time again, this experience I have experienced and have written about it

many times on the list sharing my experience.

I

am not even going to begin to explore this further and now after this incident

have no desire at all to go into this topic.

Something

or some higher power is time and again stopping me. So I must respect that.

I

shall not be studying this topic, till I get the green signal from Guruji and

the higher powers.

So

many times, this thing has happened, it can’t be a coincidence.

So

many times even Guruji tried to give a write up on this topic and his mails

never reached the list. Why?

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of Balasubramanian

Friday August 15, 2008 1:29

PM

Subject:

Re: Research data for medical-astrology

Dear

Ash Ji,

That is an interesting set of charts you have given for furthering our thoughts

on the subject.

With my little knowledge about KAS, I am making an attempt on the charts.

I was interested in 3 things:

First is the Main Period Lord, second is the reason for death and the third is

the type of death.

Main Period Lord:

1. For the timing of events such as death, Main Period Lord is also to be considered

as per a message I read in the archives. And of course the general rule says

that the main period is that of Karaka planet or its SD. So I tried to

correlate the MPL with the karaka for death. I did not touch the sub period

lord as you have already given the probable dates. Further when I went through

the entire message link in the ancient-indian-astrology group, I find that the

exact date of death is not known. However, since it is mentioned that the death

happened within a year or two of birth, you have probably worked out the sub

periods. So, for the same reason, I took up the MPL based on your fixation of

Sub-lord.

Rules I found for fixing the MPL:

a. Event would generally be limited to the house for which the MPL is the FK

and then for the houses for which it is NK. It may also take place for which MPL is

karaka for house D & E. (This point I am not able to understand)

Chart

MPL

MPL is

FK for

NK for

NSD to

FSD to

12/09/2006

Su

1st

10th

Ma

Ve, Ma

05/05/2006

Me

3rd & 12th

8th & 11th

Su, Sa

08/08/2006

Su

6th

10th

Ma

Me, Ve, Sa

19/10/2005

Me

4th & 7th

8th & 11th

Su, Ju, Sa, Ma

16/03/2006

Mo

7th

9th

Ma

Ke, Me

19/02/2006

Ra-Ju/Sa

for Ju-7 & 10

for Sa-8 & 9

for Ju-2 & 5

for Sa-3 & 4

Sa-Ve

for Ju-Mo, Sa, Ve

for Sa-Mo, Ju, Ve

08/12/2005

Ra-Ju/Me

for Ju-9 & 12

for Me-3 & 6

for Ju-2 & 5

for Me-8 & 11

for Ju-Sa

for Me-Su,Mo

27/12/2005

Ju

3 & 6

2nd & 5th

Mo, Sa

b.

If death occurs in the 3rd Lord's Mahadasa or its SD, then it might be an

indicator of a more natural death rather than by some other means. The Mahadasa

is important at the time of death as it shows the karaka and reason for death.

Chart

MPL

3rd lord

Planet in 3rd

with

more than 4 points

NSD to

3rd lord

FSD to

3rd lord

Event

12/09/2006

Su

JU

Ra-Ju/Ju(5)

Sa, Ma

Rule

does not fit in.

05/05/2006

Me

Sa

Ve

Mo, Ve

Rule

does not fit in.

08/08/2006

Su

Ve

Planet Ju not taken as

only 3 points

Sa

Su, Me, Sa, Mo

Mahadasa

Lord is FSD

to 3rd Lord Ve.

19/10/2005

Me

Ma

Planet Ve not taken as

only 4 points

Su

Mo, Ve

Rule

does not fit in.

16/03/2006

Mo

Me

Mo (8 points)

Ke-Ju/Sa - Only Ju

which has 6 points

Ve

Planet in 3rd-Mo having

8 points triggered the event

19/02/2006

Ra-Ju/Sa

Sa

for Sa-Ve

Mo, Ju, Ve

Mahadasa lord Ra which is like

Ju is SD to 3rd lord Sa

08/12/2005

Ra-Ju/Me

Ma

Su & Me not taken as

only 4 points

Su

Ve, Su

Rule

does not fit in.

27/12/2005

Ju

Ve

Sa

Ju

Mahadasa lord Ju is SD

to 3rd lord Ve.

From

the above I find that in 4 cases the rule does not apply. So went to the next

rule which says:

c.

If death is due to illness, then karaka for 6th is to be seen. If death is due

to accident, then karaka for 2nd is to be looked into and if death is delayed

after accident then karaka for 1st is seen. If death is due to action of law..

ex. execution etc., then karaka for 7th is to be taken.

In the present case all the deaths were due to illness which had come right

from 1.5 months of pregnancy. Hence I thought it should not be treated as a

natural death. So I applied the 2nd rule i.e. I took the karaka for the 6th

house.

Here is the list of karakas for all the charts along with the MPL and its

relation to the karaka. Focus house is 6th.:

Chart

FK for

6th house

NK for

6th house

MPL

Relation of MPL

to karaka (NK, FK or planet

placed in karaka house)

12/09/2006

Sa

Ma

Su

is placed in Navamsa of Ma-Hence SD to Su

Also Ma and Su are natural SDs.

05/05/2006

Ju

Ma

Me

Ma

and Ke are in 4-10 relationship. Ke is like Me or Su.

Karaka for D is Me.

08/08/2006

Su

Ma

Su

FK

and MPL are same. Ma is placed in Karaka house

19/10/2005

Me

Ma

Me

FK

and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is

placed in karaka house and is like Me (Virgo)

16/03/2006

Mo

Ma

Mo

FK

and MPL are same. Also karaka for D is Ma.

19/02/2006

Ma

Ra

Rahu

is like Ju and/or Sa. Ma is placed in Navamsa of Ju-

Hence becomes SD to Ju. Also karaka for house E is Ma.

08/12/2005

Me

Ma

Ra

is like Ju and/or Me. So MPL is Me and equates to FK.

Also karaka for D is Me. Ke is placed in karaka house who

will behave like Me (Vi)

27/12/2005

Ju

Ma

Ju

FK

and MPL are same. Ra is placed in A6 and will behave

like Ju (Pi)

So

we can conclude that the death was due to illness denoted as above and this

forms the reason for the death.

However

I found in one message that the (a) 8th house indicates death-house B; (b) 3rd

type of death-house C.

From

the messages in the ancient-indian-astrology group, I find that the reason for

the death was:

" All

children had a bulge/lump in the lower region of the spinal chord at the back.

and the name of this disease is " meningocoele " . The cause of disease was beause of deficiency of

some vitamins. Bulandshahr is basically an agriculture based district in

Western U.P.. The disease occurred in mostly rural area surrounding this

district. Many of the children had their legs paralyzed. "

How

to fix this in our KAS - both for reason for death and type of death.

Bala

--- In

, " Ash's Corner "

<kas wrote:

>

> Dear Shyam ji,

>

> If possible can you get the exact dates of deaths. I am very interested in

> timing of events.

>

> Here is my analysis. I am short of time, so am not writing up the details.

> I have just highlighted the key points.

>

> Notes for Readers

>

> Main thing to observe as per KAS is that each death was linked to highest

> power planet or related to 1st or 5th house / lord.

>

> For the readers

>

> LoE = 1st house lord

> LoD = 5th house lord.

>

> When I make a reference to Highest power I mean the highest power for 8th

> house in KAS as per KAS program.

>

> 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs,

>

> Saturn 2007-May-21

> 2008-May-02

> Mercury 2008-May-02

> 2009-Mar-09

>

> Highest points, Sa is lagna so LoD and Me is SD to Sa in navamsa

>

> 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs

>

> Jupiter 2004-May-05

> 2006-Aug-10

> Saturn 2006-Aug-10

> 2009-Apr-20

>

> Ju is lagna lord. LoE.

>

> Me/Ju

>

> 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs

>

> Ketu 2008-Jan-27

> 2008-Jun-03

> Venus 2008-Jun-03

> 2009-Jun-03

>

> Ketu is SD to Sun. Sun is Lagna lord. LoE

>

> 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs

>

> Jupiter 2004-Apr-30

> 2006-Dec-30

> Saturn 2006-Dec-30

> 2010-Mar-01

>

> Ve/Sa. Sa is highest power planet and LoD. Ve is in 3rd house. This is

> with Cancer lagna.

>

> Here in this case lagna is at the very border, a very slight change in

birth

> time.

>

> With Leo lagna, Sa has the highest power and Ju is LoD. So both can give

> death.

>

> If exact time is known it will be good learning.

>

> 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs

>

> Saturn 2004-Dec-09

> 2006-Jul-10

> Mercury 2006-Jul-10

> 2007-Dec-09

> Ketu 2007-Dec-09

> 2008-Jul-09

>

> Sa and Me are weak.

> Death might happen in Ketu. Ketu is SD to Mo and Mo is highest power

planet

> and LoE.

>

> 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs

>

> Ra/Ra

>

> Rahu 2004-Feb-24

> 2006-Nov-06

> Jupiter 2006-Nov-06

> 2009-Apr-01

>

> Ra is in 5th house so LoD

>

> 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs

>

> Venus 2004-Dec-01

> 2007-Dec-01

> Sun 2007-Dec-01

> 2008-Oct-25

>

> Death might have happened in Venus

>

> Ve is 3rd highest, in Hosue D with 4 bindus and FSD to Sa in navamsa who

is

> LoD.

>

> 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs

>

> Saturn 2005-Jun-29

> 2008-Jan-10

> Mercury 2008-Jan-10

> 2010-Apr-17

>

> Sa is highest power planet and in 4:10 with Ju who is LoE and Sa is in

House

> D.

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

>

> On Behalf Of Shyam S.

> Kansal

> Tuesday August 12, 2008 4:27 AM

>

> Research data for medical-astrology

>

> Dear Jyotish scholars

>

> I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly qualified

> medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well

> maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting

> down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth-data

> as per diseases.

>

> I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such

> cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a

> year of their birth.

>

> Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr "

(India),

> 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00

>

> All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'.

>

> 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs,

> 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs

> 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs

> 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs

> 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs

> 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs

> 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs

> 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs

>

> All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died

> with a year or two of their birth.

>

> Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body

affected by

> disease " ?

>

> And also, what made these children so short-lived?

>

> Warm regards,

> Shyam S. Kansal

>

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