Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Jyotish scholars I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly qualified medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth-data as per diseases. I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a year of their birth. Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr " (India), 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00 All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'. 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died with a year or two of their birth. Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body affected by disease " ? And also, what made these children so short-lived? Warm regards, Shyam S. Kansal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Shyam ji, This is a useful data given by you, which can help categorise certain common aspects of Life , and be a source of info for a research oriented astrologer. But surely Your goodself and the Doctor-astrologer may be knowing what was the medical cause diaognised to cause unimely deaths ? I can make an attempt, but are there any prizes offered for being able to predict correctly ? Bhaskaran. , " Shyam S. Kansal " <jyotishee wrote: > > Dear Jyotish scholars > > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly qualified > medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well > maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting > down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth-data > as per diseases. > > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such > cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a > year of their birth. > > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr " (India), > 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00 > > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'. > > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs > > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died > with a year or two of their birth. > > Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body affected by > disease " ? > > And also, what made these children so short-lived? > > > Warm regards, > Shyam S. Kansal > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Shyam S Kansal ji, Thanks for the excellent data input! It is such authentic data collected that helps in the systematic research on astrology. I will try to go through the data provided and would be back with my responses. (which may or may not be correct, since my understanding in this area of astrology is very limited. But certianly I will try my hand). Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Shyam S. Kansal" <jyotishee wrote:>> Dear Jyotish scholars> > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly qualified> medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well> maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting> down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth-data> as per diseases.> > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such> cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a> year of their birth. > > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. "Bulandshahr" (India),> 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00 > > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'.> > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs> 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs> 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs> 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs> 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs> 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs> > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died> with a year or two of their birth.> > Can we identify the "Type of disease" or the "Part of body affected by> disease"?> > And also, what made these children so short-lived?> > > Warm regards,> Shyam S. Kansal> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Respected Bhaskaran jiMy intention of posting this data is not to "TEST" the ability of knowledgeable astrologers of this forum. There are no prizes also on coming out with the correct answer. I do know the name of the disease which afflicted all of these children and was the cause of their infant-death. All of us know that "Post-mortem" of a case study is quite easy. We can quote several reasons justifying an incident. But, how many of us can really "predict" an incident - is the question.I'm sure, you will agree that it will be a good exercise for all of us here to try our skills on this authentic data. I have posted only eight birth-data. I have several other with me from the same doctor's register. I will post them too in due course. From this birth-data, one incident is already know, i.e., all children died in their infancy. It gives us a good exercise to work on various principles on "Ayurdaya" and "Balarishta". We can test those principles on this set of birth-data.The exercise is to find out the particular body region which was affected by the disease, and what type of disease it was? I am very much sure that Jyotish can provide the answer. Warm regards,Shyam , "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote: Dear Shyam ji, This is a useful data given by you, which can help categorise certain common aspects of Life , and be a source of info for a research oriented astrologer. But surely Your goodself and the Doctor-astrologer may be knowing what was the medical cause diaognised to cause unimely deaths ? I can make an attempt, but are there any prizes offered for being able to predict correctly ? Bhaskaran. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Shyamji, Yes humour apart, this would be a good excersise for all who are participating. And those who have time and a flair for such activities must certainly take part, without worrying or fearing any failures, because every failure is after all , a stepping stone towards success. best wishes, Bhaskaran. Quote - Try and fail, but dont fail to try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Kansalji, Regarding death of these children, // I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a year of their birth. // //All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died with a year or two of their birth.// Now, death within one year or one to two years, will make a huge difference from astrology point of view, though not from medical point of view. Could you provide a near close date of death? Rgds, bhagavathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Shri Hariharan ji I never thought that it would make any difference astrologically whether the child died at the age of one yr. or two yr. But I gather from your mail that it makes huge difference from astrological point of view. I will try to contact the concerned doctor very soon and will write more information about these cases. Regards, Shyam , " bhagavathi_hariharan " <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote: Dear Kansalji, Regarding death of these children, // I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a year of their birth. // //All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died with a year or two of their birth.// Now, death within one year or one to two years, will make a huge difference from astrology point of view, though not from medical point of view. Could you provide a near close date of death? Rgds, bhagavathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Kansalji, In most cases, the antara would change, that would make the difference. Example in one year it maybe Sun/mars, the next year would be Sun/Rahu, or even the mahadasa itself could change, depending on the balance of the dasa. From my professional experience, I can tell that these fall under the category of hospital acquired diseases, in India the ones that I encountered, most commonly were 1. Resistant Staphylococcal- associated with throat/ nasal- so second house effects 2. Salmonella intitiated , actually this is a deadliest form as it is from one mother, who serves as a carrier, she infects the entire hospital, unknowingly, in these cases, infection progresses from the gut of the mother to baby- maybe we can check 5th house effects also 3. Septicemia, so invovement of blood, 4. mengitis due to salmonella or streptococcal, again involving the throat or could be respiratory tract, chest, third house effects and ofcourse spine and brain 5. Then external infections of the iatrogenic type, through hospital instruments, ?mars 6. Then from doctors and nurses, if they are carriers, so one human acting as " Yamraj " for another, this is in staphylococcal cross infections There is a whole list, medically speaking, the infections will be similar, depending on the immunity the child dies early or later, but astrologically speaking, we are trying to identify the planet responsible,hence it would make a huge difference whether the child died in one year or two years. Rgds, bhagavathi , " Shyam S. Kansal " <jyotishee wrote: > > Dear Shri Hariharan ji > > I never thought that it would make any difference astrologically whether > the child died at the age of one yr. or two yr. But I gather from your > mail that it makes huge difference from astrological point of view. > > I will try to contact the concerned doctor very soon and will write more > information about these cases. > > Regards, > Shyam > > --- In , " bhagavathi_hariharan " > <bhagavathi_hariharan@> wrote: > > Dear Kansalji, > > Regarding death of these children, > > // I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of > such cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died > within a year of their birth. // > > //All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died > with a year or two of their birth.// > > Now, death within one year or one to two years, will make a huge > difference from astrology point of view, though not from medical point > of view. Could you provide a near close date of death? > > Rgds, > > bhagavathi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Shyam Kansal ji, Looks like a problem with the thoracic area in all these cases. Is it some problem with heart or respiration. More likely a constricted valve in the heart, any other malfunctioning or anomaly in the heart area. Something which is restrictive or shrinking in nature. If somewhere near, then I can probe further. I have given a cursory look and yet to go deeper into the analysis. All charts have an afflicted saturn in cancer and mostly leo and sun are also afflicted with other indications. All charts have a balarisht and dashas are not very good for health. Of course, we know that they didn't survive, so easy to say now. I can give detailed reasons, once I get the confirmation. Regards Neelam 2008/8/12 Shyam S. Kansal <jyotishee > Dear Shri Hariharan ji > > I never thought that it would make any difference astrologically whether > the child died at the age of one yr. or two yr. But I gather from your > mail that it makes huge difference from astrological point of view. > > I will try to contact the concerned doctor very soon and will write more > information about these cases. > > Regards, > Shyam > > --- In <%40.\ com>, > " bhagavathi_hariharan " > > <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote: > > Dear Kansalji, > > Regarding death of these children, > > // I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of > such cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died > within a year of their birth. // > > //All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died > with a year or two of their birth.// > > Now, death within one year or one to two years, will make a huge > difference from astrology point of view, though not from medical point > of view. Could you provide a near close date of death? > > Rgds, > > bhagavathi > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Neelam Gupta ji,I think, you have found a very important common factor which relates to the disease concerned. You are very near to it. Please try a little bit more and I am hopeful you will come out with the correct answer.However, I would like to mention that disease is not related to heart or thoracic area.Warm regards,Shyam S. Kansal , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Shyam Kansal ji, Looks like a problem with the thoracic area in all these cases. Is it some problem with heart or respiration. More likely a constricted valve in the heart, any other malfunctioning or anomaly in the heart area. Something which is restrictive or shrinking in nature. If somewhere near, then I can probe further. I have given a cursory look and yet to go deeper into the analysis. All charts have an afflicted saturn in cancer and mostly leo and sun are also afflicted with other indications. All charts have a balarisht and dashas are not very good for health. Of course, we know that they didn't survive, so easy to say now. I can give detailed reasons, once I get the confirmation. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear Kansal ji, Thank you for your feedback. As I said it was a cursory glance and just a quick inference. Personally speaking, one can only find indications of certain abnormalities, but actual manifestation of disease and resultant death is very difficult to foresee. We are only checking it as a postmortem study. With the birth rate so high, even this hospital must've seen more births at these same timings, why are others surviving? What makes a difference of life an death is really an area of serious research. I'll try to post my views after further analysis. Regards Neelam I'll try to be more logical and see the reason. Obviously many more kids would've been born at these timings and not all would get the problem also. 2008/8/12 Shyam S. Kansal <jyotishee > Dear Neelam Gupta ji, > > I think, you have found a very important common factor which relates to the > disease concerned. You are very near to it. Please try a little bit more and > I am hopeful you will come out with the correct answer. > > However, I would like to mention that disease is not related to heart or > thoracic area. > > > Warm regards, > Shyam S. Kansal > > , " neelam gupta " > <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Shyam Kansal ji, > > Looks like a problem with the thoracic area in all these cases. Is it some > problem with heart or respiration. > > More likely a constricted valve in the heart, any other malfunctioning or > anomaly in the heart area. Something which is restrictive or shrinking in > nature. If somewhere near, then I can probe further. > > I have given a cursory look and yet to go deeper into the analysis. > > All charts have an afflicted saturn in cancer and mostly leo and sun are > also afflicted with other indications. > > All charts have a balarisht and dashas are not very good for health. > > Of course, we know that they didn't survive, so easy to say now. I can give > detailed reasons, once I get the confirmation. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Bhagavathi jiThank you very much for the detailed reply. It gave me useful insight into several related matters.However, I would like to mention here, for more clarity on the cases, that the cases under consideration are not of any type of "acquired Infection". They did not got infected in hospital or through any human being or through any instrument. All children were born with symptoms of a particular disease on a very specific area of their body. The doctor concerned, though treated the child with such symptom, could easily presume that he/she will not survive longer than a specific period. All children were from nearby areas (mostly villagers). The doctor would keep proper record of such cases, including contact details of the parent. After a specific time interval, he would inquire about the health of the children from parents through his staff members. In 100% cases, he would be informed that child has died.I think, we need to concentrate on methodologies which help us in identifying the body-parts which are highly afflicted. It may be the affliction of planets or affliction of houses or affliction of Nakshatras. Best regardsShyam , "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote: Kansalji, In most cases, the antara would change, that would make the difference. Example in one year it maybe Sun/mars, the next year would be Sun/Rahu, or even the mahadasa itself could change, depending on the balance of the dasa. From my professional experience, I can tell that these fall under the category of hospital acquired diseases, in India the ones that I encountered, most commonly were 1. Resistant Staphylococcal- associated with throat/ nasal- so second house effects 2. Salmonella intitiated , actually this is a deadliest form as it is from one mother, who serves as a carrier, she infects the entire hospital, unknowingly, in these cases, infection progresses from the gut of the mother to baby- maybe we can check 5th house effects also 3. Septicemia, so invovement of blood, 4. mengitis due to salmonella or streptococcal, again involving the throat or could be respiratory tract, chest, third house effects and ofcourse spine and brain 5. Then external infections of the iatrogenic type, through hospital instruments, ?mars 6. Then from doctors and nurses, if they are carriers, so one human acting as "Yamraj" for another, this is in staphylococcal cross infections There is a whole list, medically speaking, the infections will be similar, depending on the immunity the child dies early or later, but astrologically speaking, we are trying to identify the planet responsible,hence it would make a huge difference whether the child died in one year or two years. Rgds, bhagavathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 // With the birth rate so high, even this hospital must've seen more births at these same timings, why are others surviving? What makes a difference of life an death is really an area of serious research. //No. Doctor's Hospital/nursing home is not very big. It is a private husband-wife doctor team only. There are 3 or 4 deliveries each day on an average.Shyam , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Kansal ji, Thank you for your feedback. As I said it was a cursory glance and just a quick inference. Personally speaking, one can only find indications of certain abnormalities, but actual manifestation of disease and resultant death is very difficult to foresee. We are only checking it as a postmortem study. With the birth rate so high, even this hospital must've seen more births at these same timings, why are others surviving? What makes a difference of life an death is really an area of serious research. I'll try to post my views after further analysis. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Dear ShyamJi, Namaste.. According to my limited knowledge,, I would say all the young babies died due to Liver disease.. Jupiter is in libra in all the charts, except for 4 (birth 19 Oct 2005) where jupiter is in sagitarious in venus nakshatra, but Jupiter is in libra in Navamsha.. warmest regards Sheevani , " Shyam S. Kansal " <jyotishee wrote: > > Dear Jyotish scholars > > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly qualified > medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well > maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting > down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth- data > as per diseases. > > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such > cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a > year of their birth. > > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr " (India), > 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00 > > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'. > > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs > > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died > with a year or two of their birth. > > Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body affected by > disease " ? > > And also, what made these children so short-lived? > > > Warm regards, > Shyam S. Kansal > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2008 Report Share Posted August 12, 2008 Sorry.. error in entering data... ////Jupiter is in libra in all the charts, except for 4 (birth 19 Oct 2005) where jupiter is in sagitarious in venus nakshatra, but Jupiter is in libra in Navamsha../// I entered 2008 for that chart instead of 2005... Conclusion,, all the infant charts shows Jupiter in Libra rasi in natal chart.. Cause of death has to be Liver disease... All has malefic or dustana related dasha/antras running.. warmest regards Sheevani , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147 wrote: > > Dear ShyamJi, > > Namaste.. > > According to my limited knowledge,, I would say all the young babies > died due to Liver disease.. > > Jupiter is in libra in all the charts, except for 4 (birth 19 Oct > 2005) where jupiter is in sagitarious in venus nakshatra, but Jupiter > is in libra in Navamsha.. > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > > , " Shyam S. Kansal " > <jyotishee@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jyotish scholars > > > > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly > qualified > > medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well > > maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting > > down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth- > data > > as per diseases. > > > > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of > such > > cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within > a > > year of their birth. > > > > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr " (India), > > 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00 > > > > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'. > > > > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs > > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs > > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs > > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs > > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs > > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs > > > > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and > died > > with a year or two of their birth. > > > > Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body affected > by > > disease " ? > > > > And also, what made these children so short-lived? > > > > > > Warm regards, > > Shyam S. Kansal > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Namaste Shyam ji Afflictions to Mer, Virgo and Jup would suggest Liver/Kidney failure ….. Best wishes ……. Jai Sita Ram Ram On Behalf Of Shyam S. Kansal 12 August 2008 09:27 Subject: Research data for medical-astrology Dear Jyotish scholars I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly qualified medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth-data as per diseases. I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a year of their birth. Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr " (India), 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00 All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'. 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died with a year or two of their birth. Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body affected by disease " ? And also, what made these children so short-lived? Warm regards, Shyam S. Kansal Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.1/1607 - Release 8/12/2008 7:19 AM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Shyam ji, Thank you for sharing these group of charts.. It is truely fascinating to note that in all the charts, Shani is in cancer and jupiter is in Libra, i.e. shani is in jupiter's exalted rasi and jupiter is in shani's exalted rasi, and they are in kendra to each other,, On the other hand, looking at the time period of the data collected,, this may not be so unusual.. Shani is in 1 sign for 2.5 years!!! Furthermore, the rahu ketu axis in all the charts fall in the pisces- virgo 6/12 axis, and ketu is always in kanya and rahu is in pisces.. Again this can be explained in that all the data is collected possibly within the 18-20 month period when ketu was in kanya rasi.. It would be interesting to eliminate the rahu ketu axis, if there are any other birth details either after 30 april 2008 or prior to march 2005 Many thanks Sheevani , " sheevani147 " <sheevani147 wrote: > > > Sorry.. error in entering data... > > ////Jupiter is in libra in all the charts, except for 4 (birth 19 Oct > 2005) where jupiter is in sagitarious in venus nakshatra, but Jupiter > is in libra in Navamsha../// > > I entered 2008 for that chart instead of 2005... > > Conclusion,, all the infant charts shows Jupiter in Libra rasi in > natal chart.. Cause of death has to be Liver disease... > > All has malefic or dustana related dasha/antras running.. > > warmest regards > Sheevani > > , " sheevani147 " > <sheevani147@> wrote: > > > > Dear ShyamJi, > > > > Namaste.. > > > > According to my limited knowledge,, I would say all the young > babies > > died due to Liver disease.. > > > > Jupiter is in libra in all the charts, except for 4 (birth 19 Oct > > 2005) where jupiter is in sagitarious in venus nakshatra, but > Jupiter > > is in libra in Navamsha.. > > > > warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > > > , " Shyam S. Kansal " > > <jyotishee@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jyotish scholars > > > > > > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly > > qualified > > > medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very- well > > > maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, > noting > > > down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth- > > data > > > as per diseases. > > > > > > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of > > such > > > cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died > within > > a > > > year of their birth. > > > > > > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr " > (India), > > > 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00 > > > > > > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'. > > > > > > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > > > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > > > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs > > > 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs > > > 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs > > > 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs > > > 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs > > > 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs > > > > > > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and > > died > > > with a year or two of their birth. > > > > > > Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body > affected > > by > > > disease " ? > > > > > > And also, what made these children so short-lived? > > > > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Shyam S. Kansal > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Sheevani jiAs all posted charts are of births occuring between October 2005 and September 2006, it is but natural that slow moving planets would be found in same sign.I am trying to contact the concerned doctor. I will post more details and more such data of births taking place in other years, very soon.Regards,Shyam , "sheevani147" <sheevani147 wrote: Dear Shyam ji, Thank you for sharing these group of charts.. It is truely fascinating to note that in all the charts, Shani is in cancer and jupiter is in Libra, i.e. shani is in jupiter's exalted rasi and jupiter is in shani's exalted rasi, and they are in kendra to each other,, On the other hand, looking at the time period of the data collected,, this may not be so unusual.. Shani is in 1 sign for 2.5 years!!! Furthermore, the rahu ketu axis in all the charts fall in the pisces- virgo 6/12 axis, and ketu is always in kanya and rahu is in pisces.. Again this can be explained in that all the data is collected possibly within the 18-20 month period when ketu was in kanya rasi.. It would be interesting to eliminate the rahu ketu axis, if there are any other birth details either after 30 april 2008 or prior to march 2005 Many thanks Sheevani Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Jaswal ji, Namaste.Deadly symptoms of disease appeared on some other part of the body of all children. I don't think, that cause of death was Liver/Kidney failure. I am trying to contact the concerned doctor. This time I will discuss these cases with him in more detail and will post the complete case details very soon.Regards,Shyam , "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal wrote:Namaste Shyam ji Afflictions to Mer, Virgo and Jup would suggest Liver/Kidney failure ….. Best wishes ……. Jai Sita Ram Ram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear shyam kansal ji , Thanks for these charts .I was trying prepare some teaching notes on Longitivity which will b discussed in grp also later if every one co operates and stick to discussions .As i wanted a organasied approach ,rest depends on grp . so thnks for posting this charts ( i was looking for charts which has sadhyo marana lakshna means death within one yr of birth ) .Now i am not discussing these charts right now ,as i am so busy .i apreciate u as u always come with good topics regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "Shyam S. Kansal" <jyotishee wrote:>> Dear Jyotish scholars> > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly qualified> medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well> maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting> down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth-data> as per diseases.> > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such> cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a> year of their birth. > > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. "Bulandshahr" (India),> 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00 > > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'.> > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs> 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs> 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs> 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs> 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs> 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs> > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died> with a year or two of their birth.> > Can we identify the "Type of disease" or the "Part of body affected by> disease"?> > And also, what made these children so short-lived?> > > Warm regards,> Shyam S. Kansal> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Shyam ji, If possible can you get the exact dates of deaths. I am very interested in timing of events. Here is my analysis. I am short of time, so am not writing up the details. I have just highlighted the key points. Notes for Readers Main thing to observe as per KAS is that each death was linked to highest power planet or related to 1st or 5th house / lord. For the readers LoE = 1st house lord LoD = 5th house lord. When I make a reference to Highest power I mean the highest power for 8th house in KAS as per KAS program. 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, Saturn 2007-May-21 2008-May-02 Mercury 2008-May-02 2009-Mar-09 Highest points, Sa is lagna so LoD and Me is SD to Sa in navamsa 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs Jupiter 2004-May-05 2006-Aug-10 Saturn 2006-Aug-10 2009-Apr-20 Ju is lagna lord. LoE. Me/Ju 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs Ketu 2008-Jan-27 2008-Jun-03 Venus 2008-Jun-03 2009-Jun-03 Ketu is SD to Sun. Sun is Lagna lord. LoE 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs Jupiter 2004-Apr-30 2006-Dec-30 Saturn 2006-Dec-30 2010-Mar-01 Ve/Sa. Sa is highest power planet and LoD. Ve is in 3rd house. This is with Cancer lagna. Here in this case lagna is at the very border, a very slight change in birth time. With Leo lagna, Sa has the highest power and Ju is LoD. So both can give death. If exact time is known it will be good learning. 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs Saturn 2004-Dec-09 2006-Jul-10 Mercury 2006-Jul-10 2007-Dec-09 Ketu 2007-Dec-09 2008-Jul-09 Sa and Me are weak. Death might happen in Ketu. Ketu is SD to Mo and Mo is highest power planet and LoE. 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs Ra/Ra Rahu 2004-Feb-24 2006-Nov-06 Jupiter 2006-Nov-06 2009-Apr-01 Ra is in 5th house so LoD 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs Venus 2004-Dec-01 2007-Dec-01 Sun 2007-Dec-01 2008-Oct-25 Death might have happened in Venus Ve is 3rd highest, in Hosue D with 4 bindus and FSD to Sa in navamsa who is LoD. 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs Saturn 2005-Jun-29 2008-Jan-10 Mercury 2008-Jan-10 2010-Apr-17 Sa is highest power planet and in 4:10 with Ju who is LoE and Sa is in House D. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Shyam S. Kansal Tuesday August 12, 2008 4:27 AM To: Research data for medical-astrology Dear Jyotish scholars I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly qualified medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth-data as per diseases. I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a year of their birth. Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr " (India), 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00 All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'. 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died with a year or two of their birth. Can we identify the " Type of disease " or the " Part of body affected by disease " ? And also, what made these children so short-lived? Warm regards, Shyam S. Kansal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Sreenadji, If Liver is effected, then in birth chart Jupiter is sure to be afflicted. Chiranjiv--- On Wed, 13/8/08, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Sreenadh <sreesog Re: Research data for medical-astrology Date: Wednesday, 13 August, 2008, 3:42 PM Dear Neelam ji, and Kansal ji, The common factor I am seeing in all these 8 charts are - * Saturn placed in Cancer (4th house of Kalapurusha; the chest area) * Ke placed in Virgo (6th house of Kalapurusha Indicating some glances, diseases etc) * Ra placed in Pisces (this is just natural since Ke is placed in 6th) * Ju placed in Libra (7th house of Kalapurusha, not much important since it is more or less a good placement) So in short the analysis will center around 2 houses of Kalapurusha - i.e. Cancer and Virgo. When we check the Dasa-Antara- Paryantara also the strong involvement of planets like Me (lord of Virgo), Ke (Planet placed in Virgo), Ra (Connected to Ke), Sa (planet placed in Cancer) came into picture. Certainly for numerous people born in that year the planetary placement would be so - and expecting that all those kids will have the same kind of ailment would be wrong. But still these signs (i..e. Cancer and Virgo) certainly seems to have some strong connection with the untimely death of these children, judged from the saravali quote - "Kala narasyavayaval purushanam kalpayel prasavakale Sadasal graha samyogal pushtim cha upadravascheti" [Considering the placement of malefic in various signs at the time of birth of the native, the strength or weakness of body parts can be predicted]. Another point I would like to emphasis is the importance of dry signs as Lagna or Moon sign- Leo (due to the owner ship of fiery sun), Ca & Aq (due to the ownership of Saturn, the dry planet) and Cancer (due to the presence of Saturn) and Vi (due to the presence of Ke etc) in the given charts. So my guess would be that the death happened due to the disease that affected some internal body part, especially glands, present behind chest or stomach area - and diarrhea, fever, jaundice or any similar allied diseases might have followed. Or in short the cause of death could have a strong connection with the major gland Liver present in human body, but still may not be limited to it.. In some cases, the sequence of infection, allied diseases and final death due to heart failure [heart fails at the end for every death ] might have played its role. So the end note is that, I don't really know that cause of the death or the exact body part that got affected but certainly believe that the said body part and disease is certainly related to the signs Cancer and Virgo for sure, in all the given horoscopes. Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "Shyam S. Kansal" <jyotishee@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Neelam Gupta ji,> > I think, you have found a very important common factor which relates to> the disease concerned. You are very near to it. Please try a little bit> more and I am hopeful you will come out with the correct answer.> > However, I would like to mention that disease is not related to heart> or thoracic area.> > Warm regards,> Shyam S. Kansal> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "neelam gupta"> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > Dear Shyam Kansal ji,> > Looks like a problem with the thoracic area in all these cases. Is it> some> problem with heart or respiration.> > More likely a constricted valve in the heart, any other malfunctioning> or> anomaly in the heart area. Something which is restrictive or shrinking> in> nature. If somewhere near, then I can probe further.> > I have given a cursory look and yet to go deeper into the analysis.> > All charts have an afflicted saturn in cancer and mostly leo and sun are> also afflicted with other indications.> > All charts have a balarisht and dashas are not very good for health.> > Of course, we know that they didn't survive, so easy to say now. I can> give> detailed reasons, once I get the confirmation.> > Regards> Neelam> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Neelam Gupta jiYou are very near to the target, that I can only say. Now a clue .. and I hope you will achieve the target. I was just able to talk to the concerned doctor on telephone and got much clearer picture about the disease. The disease appears in the form of a "Bulge" on a particular area of the body since birth. In fact, he told that that this disease can be identified after 1.5 months of pregnancy itself and if during pregnancy it is detected, the doctor always advise abortion.Many children with this disease die within 1 or 2 months. Some may live up to 6 months or 1 year. A very few lucky ones survive after successful operation of the bulge.The common factor in all these cases is that "a bulge appears at a very specific location of the body". Life-span of the children may differ but location of bulge remains the same.I am posting more such charts from the same doctor's records. The disease is same. Longevity may be between 1 month to 1 year, some of them might have survived also.All dates are written in dd/mm/yy format.14.5.06 - 12.35 pm30.9.06 - 13.20 pm25.10.06 - 5.15 am3.7.07 - 22.40 pm11.12.06 - 15.15 pm24.11.06 - 18.07 pm19.7.07 - 18.52 pm13.8.07 - 20.20 pm3.9.07 - 16.26 pm15.9.07 - 18.40 pm13.9.07 - 13.30 pm3.10.07 - 1.30 am14.10.07 - 19.15 pm30.10.07 - 4.45 am26.9.07 -4.50 amBirth place is same, i.e. "Bulandshahr"I am hopeful that with this much data, you or some other Jyotish scholar will be able to identify the location of bulge. I will post the correct answer in a day or two.Warm regards,Shyam , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:Dear Shyam Kansal ji,Let me make another attempt at this:In all the cases:Saturn is connected to the 6H in all the charts in rashi/navamsh. So becomes a disease giver. Saturn in cancer, is in pushya or ashlesha and in most cases is further afflicted by rahu, mars, etc. Ketu in virgo, in the natural 6H, is aspected by Saturn and in close degrees with Saturn, adds to complications.Mercury in almost all cases is also afflicted.Natural benefic Jupiter is himself afflicted and in many cases also takes bad lordships.Saturn, ketu and mercury seem to relate primarily to the disease with other planets also pitching in. Afflicted rashis are cancer, virgo and aries, and aries is also the sign of double transit, so more in focus. The disease might have cerebral origin. I can think of following implications:Some disease which affects the fluids in the body. It could be blood circulation, peristaltic action, lymphatic system, etc. Saturn brings some constriction/ restriction with the flow. It could also affect the working of muscles causing something like muscular atrophy/dystrophy, kind of paralysis due to blockage in blood flow. Ketu causes the disease to be sookshm, reaching the micro/cellular level. Being related to Saturn the affected portion could be legs, especially as rahu aspects saturn from pisces. Involvement of mercury in this scheme could give some neuro-muscular disorder. Even dermal eruption of disease cannot be ruled out… (Saturn-mercury)The disease seems to stem from some congenital deficiency at birth like blockage/ malfunctioning of some gland/sensory area in the brain (aries). But could've manifested first in abdominal region as virgo is afflicted with saturn and ketu, the disease giver, or the legs. If the children belonged to poor sections, we cannot rule out even rickets which is 'sookha rog' which starts with legs and takes over completely in its severe form.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dear Shyam ji, Though I was never interested in medical astrology, and still not, yet the astrological curiosity got the better in me, and I embarked on to cast 5 charts of the lot you presented to the forum. I have to make confession honestly,- Of those 5, at least in 2-3 charts I could not determine why the longevity is low. And had you asked us straightaway about the longevity of thse chart owners, I would have said "Good" , for the majority of those charts.Of course my study was just cursory, but all the same, I was nowhere near the truth, as you have given us about their life-spans. I do not mind in stating that I am not a jyotish scholar, and theres a lot to be studied, rsearched and learnt in this small Life, and such tests of times, as you have given us, show us our place, which is nothing but a speck of sand on the vast ocean of this beach which we call " Astrology". best wishes, Bhaskaran. , "Shyam S. Kansal" <jyotishee wrote:>> Dear Jyotish scholars> > I recently came in contact with a research oriented, highly qualified> medical doctor, who is also a student of Jyotish. He has very-well> maintained a register of all births occurred in his hospital, noting> down the accurate birth-time. He has also segregated these birth-data> as per diseases.> > I am posting here eight birth-data from his record of hundreds of such> cases. All these eight children had similar disease and died within a> year of their birth. > > Birth-place for all birth-data is same, i.e. "Bulandshahr" (India),> 028N24'00 ; 077E51'00 > > All birth-time are noted in 24 hr format, thus no 'AM' or 'PM'.> > 12th Sept 2006, 17:01 hrs, > 5th May 2006, 23:03 hrs > 8th August 2006, 8:00 hrs> 19th Oct 2005, 4:00 hrs> 16th March 2006, 13:35 hrs> 19th Feb. 2006, 1:00 hrs> 8th Dec.2005, 2:30 hrs> 27th Dec. 2005, 11.50 hrs> > All of the above children were diagnosed with similar disease and died> with a year or two of their birth.> > Can we identify the "Type of disease" or the "Part of body affected by> disease"?> > And also, what made these children so short-lived?> > > Warm regards,> Shyam S. Kansal> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2008 Report Share Posted August 13, 2008 Dearest Neelamji, Namaste, It is always a pleasure and joy to read your well reasoned postings.. I guess, here you are trying to describe a condition called Spinal Bifida.. where there is a 'lump' or cyst on the spine, more commonly middle and lower back.. This cyst may be covered by a fatty layer or may be sometimes open, and leaking fluid.. As the lump grows, the pressure on the nerves going through the spinal canal increases and internal abdominal organs, like intestines kidney and bladder may cease to function properly.. Also the legs will suffer weakness and loss of muscle.. With surgery it is possible to remove most of the fatty deposits in the lump,, but sometimes surgery is risky and may still leave the individual with some disablity.. I have not checked the new data presented,, but it would be most interesting to learn about the astrological combinations for spinal bifida.. warmest regards Sheevani , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Shyam Kansal Ji, > > I had said, > //The disease seems to stem from some congenital deficiency at birth like > blockage/ malfunctioning of some gland/sensory area in the brain (aries). > But could've manifested first in abdominal region as virgo is afflicted with > saturn and ketu, the disease giver, or the legs.// > > I maintain the same but if I have to zero down now, I would add thus: > > I am taking the involvement of saturn, ketu, mercury with cancer, virgo and > aries. I would go with virgo for location of the disease because of > afflicted ketu and most of the dashas connecting thus. The disease could > appear in the lower back region as a lump in the spinal chord. Basically it > could be something like a meningocoele which is an anomaly of central > nervous system which is cerebral in origin but could appear initially > somewhere in the spinal region. Here, with the kind of afflictions present, > I feel it is in lumbar/sacral region but must also be paralysing the legs. > Later it spreads and proves fatal. The child would definitely have something > in the cranial region and dermal aberrations also. > > Regards > Neelam > 2008/8/13 Shyam S. Kansal <jyotishee > > > Dear Neelam Gupta ji > > > > You are very near to the target, that I can only say. > > > > Now a clue .. and I hope you will achieve the target. > > > > I was just able to talk to the concerned doctor on telephone and got much > > clearer picture about the disease. The disease appears in the form of a > > " Bulge " on a particular area of the body since birth. In fact, he told that > > that this disease can be identified after 1.5 months of pregnancy itself and > > if during pregnancy it is detected, the doctor always advise abortion. > > > > Many children with this disease die within 1 or 2 months. Some may live up > > to 6 months or 1 year. A very few lucky ones survive after successful > > operation of the bulge. > > > > The common factor in all these cases is that " *a bulge appears at a very > > specific location of the body* " . Life-span of the children may differ > > but location of bulge remains the same. > > > > I am posting more such charts from the same doctor's records. The disease > > is same. Longevity may be between 1 month to 1 year, some of them might have > > survived also. > > > > All dates are written in dd/mm/yy format. > > > > *14.5.06 - 12.35 pm > > 30.9.06 - 13.20 pm > > 25.10.06 - 5.15 am > > 3.7.07 - 22.40 pm > > 11.12.06 - 15.15 pm > > 24.11.06 - 18.07 pm > > 19.7.07 - 18.52 pm > > 13.8.07 - 20.20 pm > > 3.9.07 - 16.26 pm > > 15.9.07 - 18.40 pm > > 13.9.07 - 13.30 pm > > 3.10.07 - 1.30 am > > 14.10.07 - 19.15 pm > > 30.10.07 - 4.45 am > > 26.9.07 -4.50 am > > > > Birth place is same, i.e. " Bulandshahr " * > > > > > > I am hopeful that with this much data, you or some other Jyotish scholar > > will be able to identify the location of bulge. I will post the correct > > answer in a day or two. > > > > Warm regards, > > Shyam > > > > , " neelam gupta " > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > > Dear Shyam Kansal ji, > > > > Let me make another attempt at this: > > > > In all the cases: > > Saturn is connected to the 6H in all the charts in rashi/navamsh. So > > becomes a disease giver. Saturn in cancer, is in pushya or ashlesha and in > > most cases is further afflicted by rahu, mars, etc. > > Ketu in virgo, in the natural 6H, is aspected by Saturn and in close > > degrees with Saturn, adds to complications. > > Mercury in almost all cases is also afflicted. > > Natural benefic Jupiter is himself afflicted and in many cases also takes > > bad lordships. > > > > Saturn, ketu and mercury seem to relate primarily to the disease with other > > planets also pitching in. Afflicted rashis are cancer, virgo and aries, and > > aries is also the sign of double transit, so more in focus. The disease > > might have cerebral origin. > > > > I can think of following implications: > > > > Some disease which affects the fluids in the body. It could be blood > > circulation, peristaltic action, lymphatic system, etc. Saturn brings some > > constriction/ restriction with the flow. > > It could also affect the working of muscles causing something like muscular > > atrophy/dystrophy, kind of paralysis due to blockage in blood flow. Ketu > > causes the disease to be sookshm, reaching the micro/cellular level. Being > > related to Saturn the affected portion could be legs, especially as rahu > > aspects saturn from pisces. > > Involvement of mercury in this scheme could give some neuro- muscular > > disorder. > > Even dermal eruption of disease cannot be ruled out… (Saturn- mercury) > > > > The disease seems to stem from some congenital deficiency at birth like > > blockage/ malfunctioning of some gland/sensory area in the brain (aries). > > But could've manifested first in abdominal region as virgo is afflicted with > > saturn and ketu, the disease giver, or the legs. If the children belonged to > > poor sections, we cannot rule out even rickets which is 'sookha rog' which > > starts with legs and takes over completely in its severe form. > > > > Regards > > Neelam > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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