LL_in_Different_Amsa_Taurus

[Guest guest]

Namaste Bhaskar ji

 

Just a small observation that I hope you won’t

mind answering? Though below you have talked about Mars for Aries Lagna being

in Taurus Nav it appears that you haven’t mentioned anything about Venus

(lord of Taurus) But only Moon who is Nakshatra Lord

for the effects? As Moon is Nak Lord for Rohini (10Tau –

23Tau20), Hastham (10Vir – 23Vir20), Sravana (10Cap – 23Cap20) which

encapsulates Aries, Taurus, Gemini & Cancer Nav’s – would what

you have said hold “good” for All these Nav’s?

 

I am assuming “yes” But would appreciate

your confirmation?

 

Thanks and regards ….

 

Jai Sita Ram

 

Ram

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji,

 

5th house is upchaya for both 12th and 8th

Cheers !!!

Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca/> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Bhaskar

Saturday August 2, 2008 2:57 AM

 

Re: LL_in_Different_Amsa_Taurus

 

Dear Renuji,

Please re-read the first line of my mail -

// The 5th house is anyway a loss house, even if not connected to the house

of losses 5th and 8th. //

as -

// The 5th house is anyway a loss house, even if not connected to the house

of losses 8th and 12th //

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar "

<rajiventerprises wrote:

>

>

> Dear Renuji,

>

> The 5th house is anyway a loss house, even if not connected to the house

> of losses 5th and 8th. But if connected to these, then it shoes great

> loss. If connected to the 2nd or 11th, then great gains.

>

> Now why is the 5th house solitarily , a house of loss in money matters ?

> just hold your horoscope upised down. Now see. It becomes the 11th house

> for the opposite person with whom you are dealing. Got it ?

>

> The 6th house in your own chart if you see now, holding your chart

> upside down, you will find becomes the 12th house or expenditure house

> for the opposite person, which means a income house for you. Got it ?

>

> Anyone having 5th house strong in his chart, must never go for

> partnerships, because his partner would pocket the major part of

> profits, while the native would be left with nothing.

>

> The 5th and the 12th house running strong in anyones chart without the

> connection of the 2nd or 11th, this persons wife would be fed up of his

> over-charitable nature, and the man would go all the way to help people

> ( Duniyawale) neglecting his own house and duties.

>

> In all the houses of the chart, the connecting houses matter most to

> bring about any changes in any matter you are looking for.

>

> For instance if the matter is Love, then naturally you would go for

> checking the 5th house. In all periods when the 5th is connected with

> the 11th, the person would enjoy his love affairs, and as soon as the

> 5th gets attched to the 8th, due to the dasha changes, the Love would

> suffer heartbreaks and breaks in the relationships.

>

> Same for birth of children, if 5th with 11th, then gain of a child. but

> if with 8th, one has to check properly, it need not be a loss of child,

> but may be a child through caserian if Mars is involved ( Mars for

> Surgery ), And if any planet lkike ketu is simultaneously seated in 4th

> house, then it would be a abortion.

>

> Sorry, again my mail went long.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jaswalji,

 

namaste.

 

i have explained to one member ( Do not remember her name , I think

Renuji ), that when the Lagna is deifferent, then the lordships would

change. If the constellation owner is moon in all the positions, but

Lagna is different, then moon may either be benefic or malefic

depending on its lordship and placement. Same goes for venus when it

become the Constellation owner.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

, " Ram Jaswal "

<rkjaswal wrote:

>

> Namaste Bhaskar ji

>

> Just a small observation that I hope you won't mind answering? Though

below

> you have talked about Mars for Aries Lagna being in Taurus Nav it

appears

> that you haven't mentioned anything about Venus (lord of Taurus) But

only

> Moon who is Nakshatra Lord for the effects? As Moon is Nak Lord for

Rohini

> (10Tau - 23Tau20), Hastham (10Vir - 23Vir20), Sravana (10Cap -

23Cap20)

> which encapsulates Aries, Taurus, Gemini & Cancer Nav's - would what

you

> have said hold " good " for All these Nav's?

>

> I am assuming " yes " But would appreciate your confirmation?

>

> Thanks and regards ..

>

> Jai Sita Ram

>

> Ram

>

> _____

>

>

> On Behalf Of Bhaskar

> 31 July 2008 10:34

>

> Re: LL_in_Different_Amsa_Taurus

>

> Dear Neelamji,

> My last take on this thread, no sense of waiting for more inputs. I

liked

> the way you made efforts to understand this, by drawing a navamsa

chart and

> understanding it personally without being told about the absence of

Taurus

> navamsha for the watery signs . And i wish You to understand this

fully, so

> that you need no one, no books or any other material to understand the

> decoding of the navamsha for - Predictive astrology. This would be my

gift

> to a excersising mind. Others those who may be interested must read

this

> properly, because here is shown the best technique of prediction.

> Examples.

> For instance for a Aries nativity Mars in the 2nd house in natal chart

in

> taurus navamsha would mean mars is having the degrees between 13.20 to

16.40

> degrees. ( If mars is any other degrees it would not get taurus

Navamsha) So

> how do we get to predictive part ? Mars is Lord of 1 and 8 and placed

in 2.

> First of all he may have loss of wealth as well as throat problems.

also

> elder brother of mother may have problem . also his family peace may

be

> shattered. he may have headaches or problems related to face. Next

part we

> must move to the degrees. This is ruled by which planet we must see .

it is

> ruled by moon. What role does moon have to play in the Aries nativity

chart

> ? It is ruler of the 4th house. When you connect the 4th house wuith

the

> 8th and the 2nd. what do you get ? Problems to mother. problems

related to

> breast or chest. this is how one predicts. i am in habit of doing this

in

> few minutes for the whole chart because this is what i am doing for

last 2

> years continously. In fact one does not have to see the navamsha chart

> itself. you just see the degrees and start predicting. Most of my

whole-life

> predictions to my clients are based on a single sheet of data, without

any

> recourse needed for referring 20 charts or sheets of paper. And the

nutshell

> of a persons life in all areas opens up just within few seconds if you

> believe me with the degrees chart in front of you. add a few minutes

more to

> this and you can safelt tell the native what must have happened when

in his

> life and what could be expected when.after all the natives do not come

to us

> for generalisations but for predictions. I had given these results

when i

> had laid down for the Placement of Mars in 2nd house, a few messages

ago-

> Not good for Mothers health or Domestic bless.

> If Leo and sun is afflicted then the natives heart would also be a

problem

> after middle age. Mother can die during Mars period.

> We will take another placement for the same Aries nativity.

> Mars placed in 6th house.

> again to have taurus navamsha one needs mars to be in degrees 13.20 to

> 16.40. mars is lord of 1 and 8 and placed in 6th. So automatic 1,6,

and 8

> would give give disease and surgery this point must strike the mind

> immediately in few seconds. But why mother may die ? the above degrees

are

> ruled by moon who is lord of the 4th house. So connect this and you

have the

> predictions immediately. You can expand on home , House, land

property,

> studies etc. whatever query is put by the native, the answer would

depend

> only on these base figures. I had given these results for the mars

placement

> in 6th house

> Will suffer operation in this period of Mars antardasha.

> can earn good money through insurance. Mother may die

> during this period or be hospitalised.

> here why i had mentioned would earn good money through insurance ?

Because

> the 8th house concerns death and the 6th house concerns commissions.

Those

> astrologers who know to take advantages of such combinations in all

periods

> can be winners. ( Astrologers can also do good with the transits if

they

> know how to use them effectively )

> I will take one last placement as an example, because i have to do my

other

> duties too.

> Mars placed in 11th in natal chart for Aries nativity with taurus

navamsha.

> here the degrees of Mars must be between 23.20 and 26.40 to land in

taurus

> navamsha.

> mars is lord of 1 and 8, placed in 11th. sounds good and bad both.

good

> because 11th is house of gains and lagna lord placed in 11th house

produces

> a Great dhana yoga. Is it not ? but first of all dont forget that 11th

is

> the badhaksthana for this Lagna. next the native may have a breaking

of his

> leg because the 11th house means portion below the knees ( calves ),

the

> above degrees are ruled by jupiter who is Lord of 9th and 12th for

this

> chart. now when 12th is running simultaneously with 8th, it may show

> accident and hospitalisation. this period may also show death for the

> father if native is middle aged. why ? because when the 8th gets

activated,

> remember that it is the 12th counted from the father house which is

the 9th.

> the 8th house is also the house of scandals and allegations while the

12th

> when running simultaenously can bring this scandal to the legal front

and

> put the person behind bars. You may expand on this.

> To the person who can do nakshatra based predictions , it can be just

a

> matter of few minutes to study about the whole life of a nativity, on

a

> single sheet of paper, and predict effectively what would happen when,

and

> his predictions would be true upto 80% if he is good, if not more. You

dont

> have to see any divisonal chart , because you already have the degrees

to

> guide you, so need to draw a diagram and put the planet in it .

Divisional

> charts are nothing but the degrees translated into diagramaatical

> representation for the astrologer to be more comfortable with. But

once you

> become familiar with the art of prediction, then you dont need

> diagrammatical representations or charts. For instance, I rarely see

the

> charts, but only see the degrees. Chart is automatically formed in the

mind.

>

> I have few members calling me on my personal id and sms. Please do not

do

> this because i dont keep much friendships, and those few with whom i

do, it

> is based totally on truthfulness in communications between us.

whatever

> communication has to be done, let it be here on these Forums.

> I leave you now to study your own charts with the above mentioned

approach.

> best wishes,

> bhaskar.

> N.B. i wished to put some more of such techniques of predictions, but

i find

> most of the peoplle are not participating or exercising their brains,

and

> everyone wishes to teach here or comment. no one wants to be a

learner. For

> me I am going to be a learner all my Life, and also share with those

> interested like You did, and am still learning many techniques under

> guidance of people more better and learned then me who maybe My gurus

or my

> contemporaries does not matter to me. If one has to offer learn. If

you have

> to offer share. I have said many times before, those who learn to give

,

> will always get.

>

>

>

> <- ?subject=>

> .

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Bhaskar ji

 

I fully follow your train of thoughts re:Constellation ownership for Aries

Lagna - what I was querying was even though Mars was in Taurus Navamsha you

hadn't mentioned anything about Venus the owner of Taurus Nav in results

being furnished?

 

The suggestion was that the results furnished would be the same irrespective

of whether Mars was in Aries or Taurus or Gemini or Cancer Nav aslong as it

was in Moon's Nak and Navamsha ownership wouldn't have any effect? Is my

understanding correct?

 

Many thanks and regards ..

 

Jai Sita Ram

 

Ram

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of Bhaskar

02 August 2008 16:00

 

Re: RE:LL_in_Different_Amsa_Taurus

 

 

Dear Jaswalji,

 

namaste.

 

i have explained to one member ( Do not remember her name , I think

Renuji ), that when the Lagna is deifferent, then the lordships would

change. If the constellation owner is moon in all the positions, but

Lagna is different, then moon may either be benefic or malefic

depending on its lordship and placement. Same goes for venus when it

become the Constellation owner.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

ancient_indian_ <%40>

astrology , " Ram Jaswal "

<rkjaswal wrote:

>

> Namaste Bhaskar ji

>

> Just a small observation that I hope you won't mind answering? Though

below

> you have talked about Mars for Aries Lagna being in Taurus Nav it

appears

> that you haven't mentioned anything about Venus (lord of Taurus) But

only

> Moon who is Nakshatra Lord for the effects? As Moon is Nak Lord for

Rohini

> (10Tau - 23Tau20), Hastham (10Vir - 23Vir20), Sravana (10Cap -

23Cap20)

> which encapsulates Aries, Taurus, Gemini & Cancer Nav's - would what

you

> have said hold " good " for All these Nav's?

>

> I am assuming " yes " But would appreciate your confirmation?

>

> Thanks and regards ..

>

> Jai Sita Ram

>

> Ram

>

> _____

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Goelji,

Namaste.

when we are talking of navamsha results in my examples, the planet may have gone to taurus navamsha, but it is ruled by another planet, which would give particular results, as the taurus navamsha would be ruled full 30 degrees, if you are conisdering it as raashi of Venus, but we are taking more minuter divisions, much much lesser than 30 degrees, to put some precsion to our predictions.

this is akin to a building ( 30 degrees Sign - Taurus ) owned by a landLord ( Venus), but when we pinpoint a particular flat ( const.owner) , the owner of this flat would be seperate and not the landlord, to give the donations to the blind boy coming to that door for some alms. It is somewhat like the Pada onwers of the same Raashi.

// The suggestion was that the results furnished would be the same irrespective> of whether Mars was in Aries or Taurus or Gemini or Cancer Nav aslong as it> was in Moon's Nak and Navamsha ownership wouldn't have any effect? Is my> understanding correct? //

I dont understand this part. If You give me 3 examples with the degrees , and lay out the placement of the planet, lagna, and its navamsha, and thereafter re-frame your query, maybe I would be able to understand the same.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal wrote:>> Namaste Bhaskar ji> > I fully follow your train of thoughts re:Constellation ownership for Aries> Lagna - what I was querying was even though Mars was in Taurus Navamsha you> hadn't mentioned anything about Venus the owner of Taurus Nav in results> being furnished? > > The suggestion was that the results furnished would be the same irrespective> of whether Mars was in Aries or Taurus or Gemini or Cancer Nav aslong as it> was in Moon's Nak and Navamsha ownership wouldn't have any effect? Is my> understanding correct?> > Many thanks and regards ..> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar> 02 August 2008 16:00> > Re: RE:LL_in_Different_Amsa_Taurus> > > Dear Jaswalji,> > namaste.> > i have explained to one member ( Do not remember her name , I think> Renuji ), that when the Lagna is deifferent, then the lordships would> change. If the constellation owner is moon in all the positions, but> Lagna is different, then moon may either be benefic or malefic> depending on its lordship and placement. Same goes for venus when it> become the Constellation owner.> > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > ancient_indian_ <%40>> astrology , "Ram Jaswal"> rkjaswal@ wrote:> >> > Namaste Bhaskar ji> >> > Just a small observation that I hope you won't mind answering? Though> below> > you have talked about Mars for Aries Lagna being in Taurus Nav it> appears> > that you haven't mentioned anything about Venus (lord of Taurus) But> only> > Moon who is Nakshatra Lord for the effects? As Moon is Nak Lord for> Rohini> > (10Tau - 23Tau20), Hastham (10Vir - 23Vir20), Sravana (10Cap -> 23Cap20)> > which encapsulates Aries, Taurus, Gemini & Cancer Nav's - would what> you> > have said hold "good" for All these Nav's?> >> > I am assuming "yes" But would appreciate your confirmation?> >> > Thanks and regards ..> >> > Jai Sita Ram> >> > Ram> >> > _____> >>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Bhaskar ji

 

Let me re-phrase ..

 

For Aries Lagna - Moon's Nak's [Rohini (10Tau - 23Tau20), Hastham (10Vir -

23Vir20), Sravana (10Cap - 23Cap20)] give rise to Aries, Taurus, Gemini and

Cancer Navamsha's eg Mars at 11deg Tau/Vir/Cap gives Aries Nav, at 14deg

Tau/Vir/Cap gives Taurus Nav, at 17deg Tau/Vir/Cap gives Gemini Nav and at

21deg Tau/Vir/Cap gives Cancer Nav ..

 

The example results you had described seemed to be solely based on Mars

being in Moon's Nak irrespective of which Navamsha it was in ie you never

mentioned anything about Venus being Lord of Taurus Nav and its offerings?

 

My question simply was whether one only considered the Nak Lord or whether

one would look at the Navamsha Lord as well whilst delineating the results?

From your descriptions of the results it didn't appear so?

 

Hope this is more clear?

 

Best wishes ..

 

Jai Sita Ram

 

Ram

 

_____

[Guest guest]

Dear Jaswalji,

i have already replied in my last mail, the answer for your re-phrased mail. i would not look at Venus , the lord of taurus, but the constellation owner.

For instance Leo lagna, Venus in Aries 27 degrees goes to sagittarius navamsha. I would not look at the owner of Sagitarrius, Jupiter,but look for more precise ownershis for better precesion, for more superior quality of predictions,the owner of the 27th degree of venus, who is the sun, and not look for what the owner of the sign sagittarius, jupiter. does.

regards,

bhaskar.

 

, "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal wrote:>> Namaste Bhaskar ji> > Let me re-phrase ..> > For Aries Lagna - Moon's Nak's [Rohini (10Tau - 23Tau20), Hastham (10Vir -> 23Vir20), Sravana (10Cap - 23Cap20)] give rise to Aries, Taurus, Gemini and> Cancer Navamsha's eg Mars at 11deg Tau/Vir/Cap gives Aries Nav, at 14deg> Tau/Vir/Cap gives Taurus Nav, at 17deg Tau/Vir/Cap gives Gemini Nav and at> 21deg Tau/Vir/Cap gives Cancer Nav ..> > The example results you had described seemed to be solely based on Mars> being in Moon's Nak irrespective of which Navamsha it was in ie you never> mentioned anything about Venus being Lord of Taurus Nav and its offerings?> > My question simply was whether one only considered the Nak Lord or whether> one would look at the Navamsha Lord as well whilst delineating the results?> From your descriptions of the results it didn't appear so?> > Hope this is more clear?> > Best wishes ..> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram> > _____>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Bhaskar ji

 

Thanks for the clarification ..

 

Just one more question if you don't mind? Just how much credence would you

give to the " Sub-lord " of the Nak that the Graha is occupying in terms of

the results given eg Aries rising and Mars in 14deg Tau/Vir/Cap ie still in

Moons Nak But in Jupiter's Sub? Would one now mix Mars/Moon results with

Jupiter's OR still only keep Mars/Moon results?

 

Hope question is clear?

 

Thanks and best wishes ..

 

Jai Sita Ram

 

Ram

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of Bhaskar

02 August 2008 20:15

 

Re:LL_in_Different_Amsa_Taurus

 

Dear Jaswalji,

i have already replied in my last mail, the answer for your re-phrased mail.

i would not look at Venus , the lord of taurus, but the constellation owner.

For instance Leo lagna, Venus in Aries 27 degrees goes to sagittarius

navamsha. I would not look at the owner of Sagitarrius, Jupiter,but look

for more precise ownershis for better precesion, for more superior quality

of predictions,the owner of the 27th degree of venus, who is the sun, and

not look for what the owner of the sign sagittarius, jupiter. does.

regards,

bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

Namaste Jaswalji,

You should have asked me this straightaway, much before , instead of going round and round, resulting in spending of time.

In traditionl astrology, for those who are not familiar with the sub lord business, I would advise them to stick to the results uptil the constellation owner level.

but for those who can do better than that - ( By better i mean rectification of the sub lords ), they must also take the weight of the sublord planet. Here of course the house division method too would change.

Normally all my predictions are based on the sub lords. On the forums where free predictions are done, i never spend time in rectification, and here the sub lord may be ignored in my predictions, but when doing professional work, i would not ignore it specially when the query is serious and relates to sickness, marriage disruption or such type of grave matters. When I use prashna, it is never ignored 100%.

Hope I am understood.

best wishes,

bhaskar.

 

, "Ram Jaswal" <rkjaswal wrote:>> Namaste Bhaskar ji> > Thanks for the clarification ..> > Just one more question if you don't mind? Just how much credence would you> give to the "Sub-lord" of the Nak that the Graha is occupying in terms of> the results given eg Aries rising and Mars in 14deg Tau/Vir/Cap ie still in> Moons Nak But in Jupiter's Sub? Would one now mix Mars/Moon results with> Jupiter's OR still only keep Mars/Moon results?> > Hope question is clear? > > Thanks and best wishes ..> > Jai Sita Ram> > Ram> > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Bhaskar> 02 August 2008 20:15> > Re:LL_in_Different_Amsa_Taurus> > Dear Jaswalji,> i have already replied in my last mail, the answer for your re-phrased mail.> i would not look at Venus , the lord of taurus, but the constellation owner.> For instance Leo lagna, Venus in Aries 27 degrees goes to sagittarius> navamsha. I would not look at the owner of Sagitarrius, Jupiter,but look> for more precise ownershis for better precesion, for more superior quality> of predictions,the owner of the 27th degree of venus, who is the sun, and> not look for what the owner of the sign sagittarius, jupiter. does.> regards,> bhaskar.>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

Your mail depicts some understanding of the esoteric matters, but i wish to talk about some practical issues, in reply, maybe tomorrow or day after, because your mail needs a re-reading and a slow one at that. Certain observations by You are worth discussing about, for the good of astrology and the users of this science.

best wishes, Bhaskar.

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji and group,> > I know this group enjoys going off the tangents... but allow me to revert> you all back to astrology...> > //Now why is the 5th house solitarily, a house of loss in money> matters? just hold your horoscope upside down. Now see. It becomes the 11th> house for the opposite person with whom you are dealing. Got it? //> > //Anyone having 5th house strong in his chart, must never go for> partnerships, because his partner would pocket the major part of profits,> while the native would be left with nothing.//> > This is only a small part of the story and I don't think we can generalize> this statement, as this will entirely depend upon the nature of 5H/7H/lagna> (with this I mean all influencing factors). 11H is of gains, not really> income, for which we have 2H. And 5H is the place where this income is kept> (4H from 2H). 5H is also called lakshmi sthan. If your 5H is 11H for> partner, it could also mean that partner has kept his gains in your tijori.> If 5H is strong, it could also mean you are pocketing your partner's gains.> It might be like having a partner who comes and hands over his gains to his> partner/spouse.> > 11H is many types of gains including our gains in experiences. 5H throws> challenges in getting gains (being 7th from 11H) for self also. If you see> in esoteric terms, 5H of poorv punya throwing daunting challenges in getting> gains, experiences, temptations which cause loss of moksh in 12H and you> repeat the lifecycle. 5H is the house of intellect and vivek, when this does> not work, we lose in 11H. When we cannot speculate, there are no gains in> 11H. 5H shows the previous sanchit karmas and 11H is always is a challenge> (read marak). So the challenges of these two houses work in tandem -- one> from another and vice versa.> > Coming back to the points in blue, if you meditate on the relationship> between 1H and 7H, thinking about the partners, spouse, opponents, even your> own projected self, on the points discussed above, an interesting story> would emerge that will clarify most of the life's issues. Just think of the> following points:> > - 2/5/8/11 houses are the same set of houses from lagna as well as 7H.> - If we take only for monetary gains, 2H is my income, 5H is where I keep> it, 8H is my unearned/inherited wealth and 11H is my gains which complete> the circle when reinvested for income in 2H. Similarly, taking from 7H, 8H> is my partners income, 11H is his lakshmi sthan, 2H is his> unearned/inherited income and 5H is his gains to be invested in 8H. The> pattern is very obvious. The pillars of Kendra houses give results in> panphars of 2/5/8/11 which make this cycle go. 1-7 axis of two selves with> their respective karmas in 4-10 axis make this merry-go-round. Thus, in a> relationship, obviously, one's income becomes other's gain.> - LL and 7L are never natural friends but between them they have to make> this merry-go-round go. What we need to see in the charts is whether this> relationship is symbiotic, parasitic, complementary or supplementary.> > Hope I have been able to convey what I mean. Or I leave it to the learned> members to ponder over this.> > Regards> Neelam>

[Guest guest]

My comments in Red.

I know this group enjoys going off the tangents... but allow me to revert you all back to astrology... //Now why is the 5th house solitarily, a house of loss in money matters? just hold your horoscope upside down. Now see. It becomes the 11th house for the opposite person with whom you are dealing. Got it? //

//Anyone having 5th house strong in his chart, must never go for partnerships, because his partner would pocket the major part of profits, while the native would be left with nothing.//

This is only a small part of the story and I don't think we can generalize this statement, as this will entirely depend upon the nature of 5H/7H/lagna (with this I mean all influencing factors). 11H is of gains, not really income, for which we have 2H. And 5H is the place where this income is kept (4H from 2H). 5H is also called lakshmi sthan. If your 5H is 11H for partner, it could also mean that partner has kept his gains in your tijori. If 5H is strong, it could also mean you are pocketing your partner's gains. It might be like having a partner who comes and hands over his gains to his partner/spouse.

You have struck a chord which is actually used by me for remedial measures when I have to gude a business man who is running the Dasha with full activation of the 8th house . To break the negative indications of the 8th house, i advise him to go for partnership, and if it is a family business, then I advise him to kake his wife or anyone else a partner from the family. Because the 7th is 12th from the 8th, and if the 7th house attributes are put in action, it helps in breaking the negatives of the 8th. The 7th is also representing partnerships, be it of marriage or otherwise, including tie-ups , joint ventures or any laison work. But then I also advise the businessman to actually give the major share of his profits to this partner who has been made, uptil 70% of the profits I would advise him to part to his wife, if she is made a partner. No fooling with the stars. No partner would keep his money in my tijori, if he is not from my family, and dont forget that the 5th is opposite house to the house of my gains, which is the 11th. uptil now we have been talking about generalisations, and not talking about any particular chart in question.

11H is many types of gains including our gains in experiences. 5H throws challenges in getting gains (being 7th from 11H) for self also. If you see in esoteric terms, 5H of poorv punya throwing daunting challenges in getting gains, experiences, temptations which cause loss of moksh in 12H and you repeat the lifecycle. 5H is the house of intellect and vivek, when this does not work, we lose in 11H. When we cannot speculate, there are no gains in 11H. 5H shows the previous sanchit karmas and 11H is always is a challenge (read marak). So the challenges of these two houses work in tandem -- one from another and vice versa.

The 5th would create heart attacks, losses in speculations, loss of a child , if connected to the 8th. But it would gains only if connected to the 11th. The 5th if connected to the 9th and 12th, would make the person a spiritual stalwart par excellence.

Coming back to the points in blue, if you meditate on the relationship between 1H and 7H, thinking about the partners, spouse, opponents, even your own projected self, on the points discussed above, an interesting story would emerge that will clarify most of the life's issues. Just think of the following points:

 

2/5/8/11 houses are the same set of houses from lagna as well as 7H.

If we take only for monetary gains, 2H is my income, 5H is where I keep it, 8H is my unearned/inherited wealth and 11H is my gains which complete the circle when reinvested for income in 2H. Similarly, taking from 7H, 8H is my partners income, 11H is his lakshmi sthan, 2H is his unearned/inherited income and 5H is his gains to be invested in 8H. The pattern is very obvious. The pillars of Kendra houses give results in panphars of 2/5/8/11 which make this cycle go. 1-7 axis of two selves with their respective karmas in 4-10 axis make this merry-go-round. Thus, in a relationship, obviously, one's income becomes other's gain.

LL and 7L are never natural friends but between them they have to make this merry-go-round go. What we need to see in the charts is whether this relationship is symbiotic, parasitic, complementary or supplementary.

the investment House would be the 12th House. the 12th is actually seen as Loss by many , but this is not a Loss house, in fact it is a house of Capital expenditure. The loss house is the 8th house.

 

Hope I have been able to convey what I mean. Or I leave it to the learned members to ponder over this.

 

I am not going into the esoteric comments, because if i start doing that, then I would finish only by evening. Regards

 

 

[Guest guest]

dear neelamji,

thanks for the expanded details abt 5th house ib relation to 11th, 8th. Ur absolutely right

lagna lord and 7th lord can never be friends at the best they can

be neutral.

thanks,

regards,

k.gopu

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,//the investment House would be the 12th House. the 12th is actually seen as Loss by many , but this is not a Loss house, in fact it is a house of Capital expenditure. The loss house is the 8th house.//

Yes I agree, and thanks for correcting. 12H will show the investment of gains which adds to income/wealth in 2H and results in assets created from gains in 11th.Of course, 12H cannot be loss of monetary kind. In fact, being 2nd from 11th and 11th from the 2H of income might show a multiplier effect on income and gains.

12H is of expenditure, termination, confinement and exile etc. But all these are only in relation to self.I find your term 'capital expenditure', very meaningful in relation with the 12H. It denotes the (re)investment of capital gains thereby meaning capital expenditure… but it also will show us the capital expenditure of the other kind straight from the meaning of the word capital as in:

involving termination: self/head/principalinvolving the loss of life: capital punishmentpunishable by death: a capital crimeOffence: a capital offender fatal; extremely serious: a capital error.

12H will result in spending/expense of anything capital. RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

Your take on the 12th house is perfect.

To add- For an industrialist to set up a factory in a certain period, his 12th house has to be running in activation, for the factory or industry to be set up. This would be a capital expenditure.

This house is necessary for one to repay his loans. This again would eb a capital expenditure which would give returns later.

All forms of "sadhana" where one spends( expenditure ) his energy in , would also be expenditure of time and energy which would give returns later, when one becomes succesful in his sadhana.

" Tyaga " or charity is also a form of capital expendiiture which brings in returns of another kind in spiritual blessings.

When one fails in a competetion or a game, it is expenditure agaim or what others think as loss, but actually when the 12th house makes the opposite competetitor win, it means you loose, and you make a friend of the person who has just won. because those who win, alwayshave a grand heart if they are real winners, and would encompass the looser with their affections.

In all above case, the 12th is necessary to activate above results.

I can write pages on the 12th house, but this is not the proper time for that.

regards,

bhaskar.

 

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji,> > //the investment House would be the 12th House. the 12th is actually seen as> Loss by many , but this is not a Loss house, in fact it is a house of> Capital expenditure. The loss house is the 8th house.//> > Yes I agree, and thanks for correcting. 12H will show the investment of> gains which adds to income/wealth in 2H and results in assets created from> gains in 11th.> > Of course, 12H cannot be loss of monetary kind. In fact, being 2nd from 11th> and 11th from the 2H of income might show a multiplier effect on income and> gains.> 12H is of expenditure, termination, confinement and exile etc. But all these> are only in relation to self.> > I find your term 'capital expenditure', very meaningful in relation with the> 12H. It denotes the (re)investment of capital gains thereby meaning capital> expenditure… but it also will show us the capital expenditure of the other> kind straight from the meaning of the word capital as in:> > - involving termination: self/head/principal> - involving the loss of life: capital punishment> - punishable by death: a capital crime> - Offence: a capital offender> - fatal; extremely serious: a capital error.> > 12H will result in spending/expense of anything capital.> > Regards> Neelam>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar & members,

Your potential to "fill group" with message is known to all..... cannot compete with you on that...... just to add to your investment calcuations..... a interesting combination just chanced to get from a friend..... to test your combinations..... and theories....for I never interested or invested in stocks.... than in my own karma...!!! so never bothered to worry about 2H or 11H or 12H or 5H....i.e. finance...

Male - 01-June-1959, 08:06 hrs, Berhampur, Orissa / Andhra Pradesh border town Lat : 19:21N, Long 84:51E. Gemini Lagna, Taurus Navamsa.

Combination : 6HL & 11HL Mars deb. in 2H, conjunct with 5HL & 12HL Venus.

Info : He is a Professor in Govt. Medical Hospital/College.

He has experienced Venus dasha, will have Mars dasha after Nov. 2017. He has Taurus navamsa - note this point closely.....

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

[Guest guest]

Dear goelji,

that is what i have mentioned and have written it in English. And you are repeating the same thing. 5th with 11th would give money in speculations . is it not what i mentioned ? Tell me what is mentioned about 5th with 8th running jointly in the BPHS. because it seems that i have yet to read the BPHS.

Bhaskar.

 

, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji and members,> A strong 5H in query chart indicate gain to opponents.> I n Natal charts , if both 5H and 11H are occupied by their Lords or in auspicious influence>  indicate yogas for richness.> Kindly refer BPHS chapters on yogas.> Regards,>  G.K.GOEL> > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises > Sunday, 3 August, 2008 12:49:54 PM> Re: RE:LL_in_Different_Amsa_Taurus> > > My comments in Red.> I know this group enjoys going off the tangents... but allow me to revert you all back to astrology...> > //Now why is the 5th house solitarily, a house of loss in money matters? just hold your horoscope upside down. Now see. It becomes the 11th house for the opposite person with whom you are dealing. Got it? //> //Anyone having 5th house strong in his chart, must never go for partnerships, because his partner would pocket the major part of profits, while the native would be left with nothing.//> This is only a small part of the story and I don't think we can generalize this statement, as this will entirely depend upon the nature of 5H/7H/lagna (with this I mean all influencing factors). 11H is of gains, not really income, for which we have 2H. And 5H is the place where this income is kept (4H from 2H). 5H is also called lakshmi sthan. If your 5H is 11H for partner, it could also mean that partner has kept his gains in your tijori. If 5H is strong, it could also mean you are pocketing your partner's gains. It might be like having a partner who comes and hands over his gains to his partner/spouse.> You have struck a chord which is actually used by me for remedial measures when I have to gude a business man who is running the Dasha with full activation of the 8th house . To break the negative indications of the 8th house, i advise him to go for partnership, and if it is a family business, then I advise him to kake his wife or anyone else a partner from the family. Because the 7th is 12th from the 8th, and if the 7th house attributes are put in action, it helps in breaking the negatives of the 8th. The 7th is also representing partnerships, be it of marriage or otherwise, including  tie-ups , joint ventures or any laison work.  But then I also advise the businessman to actually give the major share of his profits to this partner who has been made, uptil 70% of the profits I would advise him to part to his wife, if she is made a partner. No fooling with the stars. No partner would keep his money in my tijori, if he is not from my family, and dont> forget that the 5th is opposite house to the house of my gains, which is the 11th. uptil now we have been talking about generalisations, and not talking about any particular chart in question.> 11H is many types of gains including our gains in experiences. 5H throws challenges in getting gains (being 7th from 11H) for self also. If you see in esoteric terms, 5H of poorv punya throwing daunting challenges in getting gains, experiences, temptations which cause  loss of moksh in 12H and you repeat the lifecycle. 5H is the house of intellect and vivek, when this does not work, we lose in 11H. When we cannot speculate, there are no gains in 11H. 5H shows the previous sanchit karmas and 11H is always is a challenge (read marak). So the challenges of these two houses work in tandem -- one from another and vice versa.> The 5th would create heart attacks, losses in speculations, loss of a child , if connected to the 8th. But it would gains only if connected to the 11th. The 5th if connected to the 9th and 12th, would make the person a spiritual stalwart par excellence.> Coming back to the points in blue, if you meditate on the relationship between 1H and 7H, thinking about the partners, spouse, opponents, even your own projected self, on the points discussed above, an interesting story would emerge that will clarify most of the life's issues. Just think of the following points:> * 2/5/8/11 houses are the same set of houses from lagna as well as 7H.> * If we take only for monetary gains, 2H is my income, 5H is where I keep it, 8H is my unearned/inherited wealth and 11H is my gains which complete the circle when reinvested for income in 2H. Similarly, taking from 7H, 8H is my partners income, 11H is his lakshmi sthan, 2H is his unearned/inherited income and 5H is his gains to be invested in 8H. The pattern is very obvious. The pillars of Kendra houses give results in panphars of 2/5/8/11 which make this cycle go. 1-7 axis of two selves with their respective karmas in 4-10 axis make this merry-go-round. Thus, in a relationship, obviously, one's income becomes other's gain.> * LL and 7L are never natural friends but between them they have to make this merry-go-round go. What we need to see in the charts is whether this relationship is symbiotic, parasitic, complementary or supplementary.Â> the investment House would be the 12th House. the 12th is actually seen as Loss by many , but this is not a Loss house, in fact it is a house of Capital expenditure. The loss house is the 8th house.Â> Â> Hope I have been able to convey what I mean. Or I leave it to the learned members to ponder over this.> Â> I am not going into the esoteric comments, because if i start doing that, then I would finish only by evening.> Â> Regards> > Â> Â> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://in.messenger./invite/>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreeramji,

I am sorry but he cannot earn through speculations, but only through long term investments. Did he change his house recently in last 1 year / he can do good in all type of property and land investments, and can earn very good money in same.

His career has seemed to have escalated from 2001 last quarter onwards. And more so after september 2007 onwards. he would do well in this field till the end. It would be interesting to note, that in all the 3 mahadashas, the previous one of Sun, the current of Mars, the next of Rahu, he has a strong activation of the 4th and the 9th house ( Except the Sun Md where only the 9th is activated ), and for anyone to become a professor or go high in academic field, these 2 houses, the 4th and the 9th, have to manifest in a persons Life.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Bhaskar & members,> > Your potential to "fill group" with message is known to all..... cannot> compete with you on that...... just to add to your investment> calcuations..... a interesting combination just chanced to get from a> friend..... to test your combinations..... and theories....for I never> interested or invested in stocks.... than in my own karma...!!! [;]> so never bothered to worry about 2H or 11H or 12H or 5H....i.e.> finance...> > Male - 01-June-1959, 08:06 hrs, Berhampur, Orissa / Andhra Pradesh> border town Lat : 19:21N, Long 84:51E. Gemini Lagna, Taurus> Navamsa.> > Combination : 6HL & 11HL Mars deb. in 2H, conjunct with 5HL & 12HL> Venus.> > Info : He is a Professor in Govt. Medical Hospital/College.> > He has experienced Venus dasha, will have Mars dasha after Nov. 2017. > He has Taurus navamsa - note this point closely.....> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas>

[Guest guest]

Dear goelji,

 

I have already mentioned in all my previous mails, that the 6th shows

our income and the 5th hows the partners income, unless and until the

5th is connected to the 11th or 2nd.

 

I do not understand the intent of your mail.

 

regards,

 

bhaskar.

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar "

<rajiventerprises wrote:

>

>

> Dear goelji,

>

> that is what i have mentioned and have written it in English. And you

> are repeating the same thing. 5th with 11th would give money in

> speculations . is it not what i mentioned ? Tell me what is mentioned

> about 5th with 8th running jointly in the BPHS. because it seems that

i

> have yet to read the BPHS.

>

> Bhaskar.

>

>

>

>

> , Gopal Goel

> gkgoel1937@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji and members,

> > A strong 5H in query chart indicate gain to opponents.

> > I n Natal charts , if both 5H and 11HÂ are occupied by their

Lords

> or in auspicious influence

> > Â indicate yogas for richness.

> > Kindly refer BPHS chapters on yogas.

> > Regards,

> > Â G.K.GOEL

> >

> >

> > Bhaskar rajiventerprises@

> >

> > Sunday, 3 August, 2008 12:49:54 PM

> > Re:

RE:LL_in_Different_Amsa_Taurus

> >

> >

> > My comments in Red.

> > I know this group enjoys going off the tangents... but allow me to

> revert you all back to astrology...

> >

> > //Now why is the 5th house solitarily, a house of loss in money

> matters? just hold your horoscope upside down. Now see. It becomes

> the 11th house for the opposite person with whom you are dealing.Â

> Got it? //

> > //Anyone having 5th house strong in his chart, must never go for

> partnerships, because his partner would pocket the major part of

> profits, while the native would be left with nothing.//

> > This is only a small part of the story and I don't think we can

> generalize this statement, as this will entirely depend upon the

nature

> of 5H/7H/lagna (with this I mean all influencing factors). 11H is of

> gains, not really income, for which we have 2H. And 5H is the place

> where this income is kept (4H from 2H). 5H is also called lakshmi

sthan.

> If your 5H is 11H for partner, it could also mean that partner has

kept

> his gains in your tijori. If 5H is strong, it could also mean you are

> pocketing your partner's gains. It might be like having a partner who

> comes and hands over his gains to his partner/spouse.

> > You have struck a chord which is actually used by me for remedial

> measures when I have to gude a business man who is running theÂ

Dasha

> with full activation of the 8th house . To break the negative

> indications of the 8th house, i advise him to go for partnership, and

if

> it is a family business, then I advise him to kake his wife or anyone

> else a partner from the family. Because the 7th is 12th from the 8th,

> and if the 7th house attributes are put in action, it helps in

> breaking the negatives of the 8th. The 7th is also representing

> partnerships, be it of marriage or otherwise, including  tie-ups ,

> joint ventures or any laison work. Â But then I also advise the

> businessman to actually give the major share of his profits to this

> partner who has been made, uptil 70% of the profits I would advise him

> to part to his wife, if she is made a partner. No fooling with the

> stars. No partner would keep his money in my tijori, if he is not from

> my family, and dont

> > forget that the 5th is opposite house to the house of my gains,

which

> is the 11th. uptil now we have been talking about generalisations, and

> not talking about any particular chart in question.

> > 11H is many types of gains including our gains in experiences. 5H

> throws challenges in getting gains (being 7th from 11H) for self also.

> If you see in esoteric terms, 5H of poorv punya throwing daunting

> challenges in getting gains, experiences, temptations which cause Â

> loss of moksh in 12H and you repeat the lifecycle. 5H is the house of

> intellect and vivek, when this does not work, we lose in 11H. When we

> cannot speculate, there are no gains in 11H. 5H shows the previous

> sanchit karmas and 11H is always is a challenge (read marak). So

the

> challenges of these two houses work in tandem -- one from another and

> vice versa.

> > The 5th would create heart attacks, losses in speculations, lossÂ

> of a child , if connected to the 8th. But it would gains only if

> connected to the 11th. The 5th if connected to the 9th and 12th,

> would make the person a spiritual stalwart par excellence.

> > Coming back to the points in blue, if you meditate on the

relationship

> between 1H and 7H, thinking about the partners, spouse, opponents,

even

> your own projected self, on the points discussed above, an interesting

> story would emerge that will clarify most of the life's issues. Just

> think of the following points:

> > * 2/5/8/11 houses are the same set of houses from lagna as well as

7H.

> > * If we take only for monetary gains, 2H is my income, 5H is where I

> keep it, 8H is my unearned/inherited wealth and 11H is my gains which

> complete the circle when reinvested for income in 2H. Similarly,

taking

> from 7H, 8H is my partners income, 11H is his lakshmi sthan, 2H is his

> unearned/inherited income and 5H is his gains to be invested in 8H.

The

> pattern is very obvious. The pillars of Kendra houses give results in

> panphars of 2/5/8/11 which make this cycle go. 1-7 axis of two selves

> with their respective karmas in 4-10 axis make this merry-go-round.

> Thus, in a relationship, obviously, one's income becomes other's gain.

> > * LL and 7L are never natural friends but between them they have to

> make this merry-go-round go. What we need to see in the charts is

> whether this relationship is symbiotic, parasitic, complementary or

> supplementary.Â

> > the investment House would be the 12th House. the 12th is actually

> seen as Loss by many , but this is not a Loss house, in fact it is a

> house of Capital expenditure. The loss house is the 8th house.Â

> > Â

> > Hope I have been able to convey what I mean. Or I leave it to the

> learned members to ponder over this.

> > Â

> > I am not going into the esoteric comments, because if i start doing

> that, then I would finish only by evening.

> > Â

> > Regards

> >

> > Â

> > Â

> >

> >

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> http://in.messenger./invite/

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreeramji,

// Your potential to "fill group" with message is known to all..... cannot compete with you on that.//

You made me laugh aloud with this. But tell me honestly , were you meaning otherwise, or were you happy with my filling group with messages ? Yes I am a bit over enthusaistic, because always keep myself in a very youthful and energetic and lavish mode.

best wishes,

bhaskar.

 

, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Bhaskar & members,> > Your potential to "fill group" with message is known to all..... cannot> compete with you on that...... just to add to your investment> calcuations..... a interesting combination just chanced to get from a> friend..... to test your combinations..... and theories....for I never> interested or invested in stocks.... than in my own karma...!!! [;]> so never bothered to worry about 2H or 11H or 12H or 5H....i.e.> finance...> > Male - 01-June-1959, 08:06 hrs, Berhampur, Orissa / Andhra Pradesh> border town Lat : 19:21N, Long 84:51E. Gemini Lagna, Taurus> Navamsa.> > Combination : 6HL & 11HL Mars deb. in 2H, conjunct with 5HL & 12HL> Venus.> > Info : He is a Professor in Govt. Medical Hospital/College.> > He has experienced Venus dasha, will have Mars dasha after Nov. 2017. > He has Taurus navamsa - note this point closely.....> > With regards,> > Sreeram_Srinivas>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,I understand that one good thing is that if benign Brihaspati has disti on the 12th house one should have money to meet one's liabilities even if one is not very affluent. Or in other words one should be able to manage one's debts. But if afflicted the opposite may happen and then in that sense it may mean even loss.Regards,Sunil Bhattacharjya

[Guest guest]

Dear Renu ji,12H is moksh house also but if you say,//...it is the capital investment of self/soul.//I may not agree because, if self is soul, then 12H cannot invest. It is 2H that invests the soul into worldly activities. 12H would spend/terminate the soul. Moksh is ending of the journey of soul. Moksh would literally mean freedom of soul from rebirth. That comes under 12H. But not all souls would get Moksh. 12H may show us whether the soul will get moksh in real esoteric sense or one can only talk of the end of this life or termination.

//capital investment//12H is the investment house for 11H affairs... so what you gain you invest. In this sense one can invest one's learning from the lifelong experiences, desires and temptations to activate and prepare the 12H for Moksh, but when we say Moksh per se in relation to self it is the expense of soul that the 12H shows.

Hope I am able to explain... though we don't want to delve into esoteric astrology.RegardsNeelam2008/8/4 renunw <renunw

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji & Bhaskar ji,

 

Thanks for illuminating discussion on 12H & capital investment. Is

12H, a house for moksha too? Hence may I add to Neelam ji's list

of 'Captials...' moksha too as I feel that it is the capital

investment of self/soul. That would be our ultimate investment in

this journey of sansara...Wouldn't it be?

 

blessings,

 

Renu

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

> //the investment House would be the 12th House. the 12th is

actually seen as

> Loss by many , but this is not a Loss house, in fact it is a house

of

> Capital expenditure. The loss house is the 8th house.//

>

> Yes I agree, and thanks for correcting. 12H will show the

investment of

> gains which adds to income/wealth in 2H and results in assets

created from

> gains in 11th.

>

> Of course, 12H cannot be loss of monetary kind. In fact, being 2nd

from 11th

> and 11th from the 2H of income might show a multiplier effect on

income and

> gains.

> 12H is of expenditure, termination, confinement and exile etc. But

all these

> are only in relation to self.

>

> I find your term 'capital expenditure', very meaningful in

relation with the

> 12H. It denotes the (re)investment of capital gains thereby

meaning capital

> expenditure… but it also will show us the capital expenditure of

the other

> kind straight from the meaning of the word capital as in:

>

> - involving termination: self/head/principal

> - involving the loss of life: capital punishment

> - punishable by death: a capital crime

> - Offence: a capital offender

> - fatal; extremely serious: a capital error.

>

> 12H will result in spending/expense of anything capital.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

[Guest guest]

Dear BhaskarJI,

 

It was a very good explanation. It cleared the flow of thoughts. I was

unable to understand a line though.

That is

" The net result of above would represent what Sun would result being in

Rahus constellation. "

I am not able to understand what Sun represents here, Is it Lagna Lord, or

it is a typo for Mercury.

 

Thanks,

Shivam

 

On 8/1/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote:

>

> Dear Shivamji,

>

> A good question, shows that you are now applying your mind in a proper

> manner, intended to , for any research oriented student of astrology. (

> And we all of us are after all students. its not easy to be a Master, and

> theres no definition of a Master in such matters as of astrology . )

>

> *Planet in own constellation*

>

> Any planet in its own constellation, the results of its Placement and

> Ownerships of the houses it lords over, would be reinforced or shown

> prominent in his life, during the main or sub periods of this Planet. For

> instance Mercury in 5th for a Leo ascendant, if in own constellation, would

> re-inforce the effects of the native - Making lakhs or millions through

> speculation , in the share markets.

>

> *Planet in constellation of any Nodes - rahu or ketu*

>

> Now suppose this mercury would have been in the 5th house but placed in

> Rahus constellation, then how to decode the results ?

>

> Note down rahus house where placed. Note Rahu

> is in which constellation and what does the owner of that constellation

> represent ? Note if any planet is conjoint with

> Rahu within 4 degrees and not down what that planet represents. ( Even if

> this planet within 4 degrees is in another sign still it would be treated as

> conjunct,remember, because there are no walls in the sky

> ).

>

> Note which planets are aspecting Rahu and note which houses do they

> represent. Note the sign

> Lord in which rahu is placed, what houses does it represent.

>

> The net result of above would represent what Sun would result being in

> Rahus constellation. Suppose Rahu represents the houses of gains, wealth,

> 2nd 11th or 6th, then the native would get the same results what we

> predicted for mercury constellation, or else if 5, 8 or 12, then he would

> suffer losses and must be advised not to invest in share Markets.

>

> The astrologer who has reached this stage, its not long before he could

> predict easily uptil 70% of what is require

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

best wishes,

>

> bhaskar.

, " Shivam Omar " <oshivam

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear BhaskarJI,

> > Thanks for providing more examples of the technique. It made the tecnique

> > more clear and transparent. In the process, I developed one more doubt.

> What

> > if the lagna lord is in its own nakshatra in its own house (sun at 26.40

> to

> > 29.99 degree leo or Rahu at 6.40 to 20 degree aquarious). In this case

> how

> > we will expand the technique, because here we have no other house to

> relate.

> >

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Shivam

> >

> > On 7/31/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shivamji,

> > >

> > > My efforts in posting a write-up pays, when somebody reads that and

> > > applies the same. Thank You.

> > >

> > > Now coming to your query. Yes the nakshatra dispositor is the planet

> which

> > > would actually show what the results any planet would give. The planet

> would

> > > show the source .

> > >

> > > *Imaginary example*

> > >

> > > Now suppose the lagna is sagittarius. Jupiter is placed in 4th house

> and in

> > > naskhatra of Venus. Now venus is the lord of 6th house and 11th house.

> so

> > > the results would be Money, gains through property or commissions

> related to

> > > property. Because 6th shows money received due to transaction or

> services,

> > > and 11th shows gains.

> > >

> > > Now suppose in the same chart Saturn is placed in 3rd house in

> nakshatra of

> > > venus. The results would be the same. Commissions and money received.

> > > But the source would change. Because now saturn is is placed inthe 3rd

> house

> > > which denotes writing, communications, computers, author, wriiten

> artcilces,

> > > novels, printing etc. So the native would earn Money certainly, but now

> the

> > > source would change.

> > >

> > > In the same way you can treat for Moon as asked in your query.

> > >

> > > Any astrologer who understands this does not need, any Chart or lengthy

> > > explanations or hundreds of rules, or contradictions or many books to

> check

> > > results. Commonsense,practise and logic is needed in the analysis

> alongwith

> > > intuitions.

> > >

> > > Mars 140 degrees 20 minutes 40 seconds placed in 5th house should be

> > > enough for a good practioner of this science , to predict the results

> in few

> > > seconds ( Not minutes ), what others may take 2 days to give after

> spending

> > > hours and hours of their time and efforts in multitudes of various

> > > divisional charts and applying of hundreds of rules. Because the above

> info

> > > encases, Lagna, navamsha details, and also much smaller divisions of

> the

> > > divisional charts too, for any keen astrological mind.

> > >

> > > And one does not need paper, pen or books to predict. one can even

> > > calculate the Vimsottari dasha on fingers, and everything else said

> above,

> > > if he is given the above small information, which is enough.

> > >

> > > regards,

> > >

> > > Bhaskar.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Shivam Omar "

> oshivam@

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskarji,

> > > > It is indeed a great writeup for the learners of predictive astrology

> > > like

> > > > me. Thanks for all your effort in writing the same. I have got a

> small

> > > > question based on this article. As you have mentioned Mars being at

> 13.20

> > > to

> > > > 16.40 degrees in Taurus, moon will be the nakshatra lord and through

> moon

> > > > one can relate 2nd, 4th and 8th house. If Mars would have been in

> Aries,

> > > > Taurus or Gemini Navamansha (and in Taurus at Lagna Chart), then also

> > > > results should have been same as Mars in Taurus Navamansha, Because

> > > > Nakshatra dispositor of Mars is the same Moon. This means only the

> > > Nakshatra

> > > > of the planet determines the results. Am I correct in my

> understanding?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Shivam

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Shivamji,

You had asked me, what would be the results if sun is in Rahus constellation, since rahu does not own any houses.

then i listed you how the effects of Rahu must be checked.

now when you check Sun is placed in which house and owner of which house, AND Plus the aforesaid results of rahu, then you get-

// The net result of above would represent what Sun would result being in > Rahus constellation." //

you may come back again if you require further explanations.

regards,

bhaskar.

, "Shivam Omar" <oshivam wrote:>> > Dear BhaskarJI,> > It was a very good explanation. It cleared the flow of thoughts. I was> unable to understand a line though.> That is> "The net result of above would represent what Sun would result being in> Rahus constellation."> I am not able to understand what Sun represents here, Is it Lagna Lord, or> it is a typo for Mercury.> > Thanks,> Shivam> > On 8/1/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises wrote:> >> > Dear Shivamji,> >> > A good question, shows that you are now applying your mind in a proper> > manner, intended to , for any research oriented student of astrology. (> > And we all of us are after all students. its not easy to be a Master, and> > theres no definition of a Master in such matters as of astrology . )> >> > *Planet in own constellation*> >> > Any planet in its own constellation, the results of its Placement and> > Ownerships of the houses it lords over, would be reinforced or shown> > prominent in his life, during the main or sub periods of this Planet. For> > instance Mercury in 5th for a Leo ascendant, if in own constellation, would> > re-inforce the effects of the native - Making lakhs or millions through> > speculation , in the share markets.> >> > *Planet in constellation of any Nodes - rahu or ketu*> >> > Now suppose this mercury would have been in the 5th house but placed in> > Rahus constellation, then how to decode the results ?> >> > Note down rahus house where placed. Note Rahu> > is in which constellation and what does the owner of that constellation> > represent ? Note if any planet is conjoint with> > Rahu within 4 degrees and not down what that planet represents. ( Even if> > this planet within 4 degrees is in another sign still it would be treated as> > conjunct,remember, because there are no walls in the sky> > ).> >> > Note which planets are aspecting Rahu and note which houses do they> > represent. Note the sign> > Lord in which rahu is placed, what houses does it represent.> >> > The net result of above would represent what Sun would result being in> > Rahus constellation. Suppose Rahu represents the houses of gains, wealth,> > 2nd 11th or 6th, then the native would get the same results what we> > predicted for mercury constellation, or else if 5, 8 or 12, then he would> > suffer losses and must be advised not to invest in share Markets.> >> > The astrologer who has reached this stage, its not long before he could> > predict easily uptil 70% of what is require> >> >> > > > > > best wishes,> >> > bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , "Shivam Omar" oshivam@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear BhaskarJI,> > > Thanks for providing more examples of the technique. It made the tecnique> > > more clear and transparent. In the process, I developed one more doubt.> > What> > > if the lagna lord is in its own nakshatra in its own house (sun at 26.40> > to> > > 29.99 degree leo or Rahu at 6.40 to 20 degree aquarious). In this case> > how> > > we will expand the technique, because here we have no other house to> > relate.> > >> > >> > > Thanks,> > > Shivam> > >> > > On 7/31/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Shivamji,> > > >> > > > My efforts in posting a write-up pays, when somebody reads that and> > > > applies the same. Thank You.> > > >> > > > Now coming to your query. Yes the nakshatra dispositor is the planet> > which> > > > would actually show what the results any planet would give. The planet> > would> > > > show the source .> > > >> > > > *Imaginary example*> > > >> > > > Now suppose the lagna is sagittarius. Jupiter is placed in 4th house> > and in> > > > naskhatra of Venus. Now venus is the lord of 6th house and 11th house.> > so> > > > the results would be Money, gains through property or commissions> > related to> > > > property. Because 6th shows money received due to transaction or> > services,> > > > and 11th shows gains.> > > >> > > > Now suppose in the same chart Saturn is placed in 3rd house in> > nakshatra of> > > > venus. The results would be the same. Commissions and money received.> > > > But the source would change. Because now saturn is is placed inthe 3rd> > house> > > > which denotes writing, communications, computers, author, wriiten> > artcilces,> > > > novels, printing etc. So the native would earn Money certainly, but now> > the> > > > source would change.> > > >> > > > In the same way you can treat for Moon as asked in your query.> > > >> > > > Any astrologer who understands this does not need, any Chart or lengthy> > > > explanations or hundreds of rules, or contradictions or many books to> > check> > > > results. Commonsense,practise and logic is needed in the analysis> > alongwith> > > > intuitions.> > > >> > > > Mars 140 degrees 20 minutes 40 seconds placed in 5th house should be> > > > enough for a good practioner of this science , to predict the results> > in few> > > > seconds ( Not minutes ), what others may take 2 days to give after> > spending> > > > hours and hours of their time and efforts in multitudes of various> > > > divisional charts and applying of hundreds of rules. Because the above> > info> > > > encases, Lagna, navamsha details, and also much smaller divisions of> > the> > > > divisional charts too, for any keen astrological mind.> > > >> > > > And one does not need paper, pen or books to predict. one can even> > > > calculate the Vimsottari dasha on fingers, and everything else said> > above,> > > > if he is given the above small information, which is enough.> > > >> > > > regards,> > > >> > > > Bhaskar.> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Shivam Omar"> > oshivam@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskarji,> > > > > It is indeed a great writeup for the learners of predictive astrology> > > > like> > > > > me. Thanks for all your effort in writing the same. I have got a> > small> > > > > question based on this article. As you have mentioned Mars being at> > 13.20> > > > to> > > > > 16.40 degrees in Taurus, moon will be the nakshatra lord and through> > moon> > > > > one can relate 2nd, 4th and 8th house. If Mars would have been in> > Aries,> > > > > Taurus or Gemini Navamansha (and in Taurus at Lagna Chart), then also> > > > > results should have been same as Mars in Taurus Navamansha, Because> > > > > Nakshatra dispositor of Mars is the same Moon. This means only the> > > > Nakshatra> > > > > of the planet determines the results. Am I correct in my> > understanding?> > > > >> > > > > Thanks,> > > > > Shivam> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar Ji,I believe, you understood my question differently. Although, I got very clear answers of the question through your transparant explanations. I just want to clear the question in order to avoid any confusion. It was what if the lagna lord is in its own nakshatra in its own house (sun at 26.40 to 29.99 degree leo or Rahu at 6.40 to 20 degree aquarious).=> Sun in Leo in Sun's Nakshatra or in the other case Rahu in Aquarious in Rahu's Nakshatra.

Regarding previous mail, I was linking the line " The net result of above would represent what Sun would result being in Rahus constellation " with the example you gave " Now suppose this mercury would have been in the 5th house but placed in Rahus constellation, then how to decode the results ? " , and therefore was puzzled.

Thanks,Shivam

[Guest guest]

Dear Shivamji,

 

I understood your query right and not differently.

 

// Any planet in its own constellation, the results of its Placement and

> > > > Ownerships of the houses it lords over, would be reinforced or

shown

> > > > prominent in his life, during the main or sub periods of this

Planet.

> > For

> > > > instance Mercury in 5th for a Leo ascendant, if in own

constellation,

> > would

> > > > re-inforce the effects of the native - Making lakhs or millions

through

> > > > speculation , in the share markets. //

 

I repeat that if sun is in own nakshatra then its results would be

doubly shown in the natives life, without fail. Same for any planet.

 

best wishes,

 

bhaskar.