Difference between Vedic/Puranic/Siddhantic Cosmplogical Concepts

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Dear Bejoy ji,

Yes, this is why I was telling you that, it is Puranic description

and not the vedic one. To quote my words again -

==>

> Describing the total zodiac as orbiting Pole star

> is a Puranicdescription and not a vedic one.

<==

There is document available in the file section which may provide

some clarity about the difference between Vedic, Puranic & Siddhantic

cosmology. The URL to the said document by Prof.Subhash Kak is:

Subhash%

20Kak/YajnavalkyaandtheOriginsofPuranicCosmology.pdf

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, Bejoy <bejoy_cs

wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadh and all,

>

> My source of info is as below ... dialogue between

> Parasara and Maithreya in the Vishnu Purana

> ..translated by Ralph Griffith.

>

>

> PARÁŒARA. The sphere of the earth (or Bhúr-loka),

> comprehending its oceans, mountains, and rivers,

> extends as far as it is illuminated by the rays of the

> sun and moon; and to the same extent, both in diameter

> and circumference, the sphere of the sky (Bhuvar-loka)

> spreads above it (as far upwards as to the planetary

> sphere, or Swar-loka) 1. The solar orb is situated a

> hundred thousand leagues from the earth; and that of

> the moon an equal distance from the sun. At the same

> interval above the moon occurs the orbit of all the

> lunar constellations. The planet Budha (Mercury) is

> two hundred thousand leagues above the lunar mansions.

> Œukra (Venus) is at the same distance from Mercury.

> Angáraka (Mars) is as far above Venus; and the priest

> of the gods (Vrihaspati, or Jupiter) as far from Mars:

> whilst Saturn (Sani) is two hundred and fifty thousand

> leagues beyond Jupiter. The sphere of the seven Rishis

> (Ursa Major) is a hundred thousand leagues above

> Saturn; and at a similar height above the seven Rishis

> is Dhruva (the pole-star), the pivot or axis of the

> whole planetary circle. Such, Maitreya, is the

> elevation of the three spheres (Bhúr, Bhuvar, Swar)

> which form the region of the consequences of works.

> The region of works is here (or in the land of

> Bhárata) 2.

>

>

>

> p. 213

>

> Above Dhruva, at the distance of ton million leagues,

> lies the sphere of saints, or Mahar-loka, the

> inhabitants of which dwell in it throughout a Kalpa,

> or day of Brahmá. At twice that distance is situated

> Janaloka, where Sanandana and other pure-minded sons

> of Brahmá, reside. At four times the distance, between

> the two last, lies the Tapo-loka (the sphere of

> penance), inhabited by the deities called Vaibhrájas,

> who are unconsumable by fire. At six times the

> distance (or twelve Crores, a hundred and twenty

> millions of leagues) is situated Satya-loka, the

> sphere of truth, the inhabitants of which never again

> know death 3.

>

>

> p. 214

>

> Wherever earthy substance exists, which may be

> traversed by the feet, that constitutes the sphere of

> the earth, the dimensions of which I have already

> recounted to you. The region that extends from the

> earth to the sun, in which the Siddhas and other

> celestial beings move, is the atmospheric sphere,

> which also I have described. The interval between the

> sun and Dhruva, extending fourteen hundred thousand

> leagues, is called by those who are acquainted with

> the system of the universe the heavenly sphere. These

> three spheres are termed transitory: the three

> highest, Jana, Tapa, and Satya, are styled durable 4:

> Maharloka, as situated between the two, has also a

> mixed character; for although it is deserted at the

> end of the Kalpa, it is not destroyed. These seven

> spheres, together with the Pátálas, forming the extent

> of the whole world, I have thus, Maitreya, explained

> to you.

>

> Regards

>

> Bejoy C.S.

> www.keraladarsan.com

>

>

>

> --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

>

> > Dear Bijoy ji,

> > ==>

> > But as per RV - Saptarishis are also a good

> > candidate

> > for this job and Dhruva is described as the centre

> > of

> > the zodiacal wheel. Dhruva being the pole star is

> > almost at 90 degrees from the orbital plane of the

> > solar system, so my above case is also ambigous.

> > <==

> > Describing the total zodiac as orbiting Pole star

> > is a Puranic

> > description and not a vedic one. The description is

> > true in the

> > sense - we can clearly see it from earth. Since

> > earth revolves around

> > its axis, we feel that the the total sky around us

> > (the zodiac)

> > revolves around the axis fixed across Celestrial

> > North pole (and thus

> > Saptarshis) and Celestial South pole. Thus it is a

> > natural

> > description from a common mans stnd point.

> > But I don't agree with ascribing the same Puranic

> > decription on

> > Vedas and then trying to interpret that the Sun (and

> > not the sky)

> > moves around Saptarshis (celestial pole), giving it

> > an infallible

> > scientific color but which is truly non-scientific

> > (because it

> > ascribes the ignorance on Vedic sages and assumes

> > that they

> > considered earth as the center around which sun

> > revolves - which

> > erroneous and not supported by vedic rishis). As we

> > know, the Vedic

> > sages had the clear understanding that earth

> > revolves around Sun and

> > also that earth is a planet like Venus, Jupiter etc.

> > It is wrong to

> > ascribe the ignorance of Puranic dark ages on Vedic

> > era of knowledge

> > and understanding. The vedas represent clear and

> > better understanding

> > of the vedic sages about the universe – and it does

> > not need the

> > extra coloring, and erroneous efforts to ascribe the

> > misleading and

> > erroneous maths and concepts on vedas – will only

> > become a hindrance

> > to identifying the true worth of vedas and the

> > knowledge it contains

> > within.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ,

> > Bejoy <bejoy_cs@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh,

> > >

> > > This could be variously interpreted by many. As

> > per

> > > present day scientific understanding the centre of

> > > Mikly way galaxy is Sagittarius. This is also a

> > matter

> > > of conjecture and more studies are required.

> > >

> > > I could be right or wrong in my inferences.

> > Agreeing

> > > with me is Ok and disagreeing is also OK.

> > >

> > > If it is accepted that the orbital velocity of the

> > Sun

> > > is 217 Km/s and the Sun covers 50 arc seconds per

> > > earth year ( EY ), as per Kepler the radius of the

> > > Suns orbit would be about 2.8 light years which is

> > no

> > > great distance by astronomical standards.

> > >

> > > The Sun might not be orbiting Saptarishis - I have

> > > another scientific reason to support this argument

> > of

> > > yours as well - Sun and Saptarishis are not in

> > the

> > > same orbital plane while Sagittarius is. Its

> > logical

> > > to exppect that for some thing to orbit another

> > > massive object they got to be in the same orbital

> > > plane as is the case of Sun - earth - moon -

> > jupiter

> > > etc etc...

> > >

> > > But as per RV - Saptarishis are also a good

> > candidate

> > > for this job and Dhruva is described as the centre

> > of

> > > the zodiacal wheel. Dhruva being the pole star is

> > > almost at 90 degrees from the orbital plane of the

> > > solar system, so my above case is also ambigous.

> > >

> > > Would appreciate more thoughts as that would

> > refine my

> > > thinking as well.

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Bejoy C.S.

> > > www.keraladarsan.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Bejoy ji,

> > > > I liked your thoughts. But -

> > > > ==>

> > > > RV says Sun is the chariot of Sun is driven by 7

> > > > horses - which could be the 7 planets. But here

> > I

> > > > assume it to be the Saptarishis - Ursa Minor -

> > Big

> > > > Dipper. I start with this assumption that the

> > Sun

> > > > orbits the Saptarihis ( 7 Rishis ). If this

> > > > assumption

> > > > of mine is wrong then am entirely wrong.

> > > > <==

> > > > You are right in the last statement - your

> > > > assumption is wrong.

> > > > The question is what is at the center of our

> > galaxy?

> > > > Is it Saptarshis or

> > > > the black hole of Sagittarius?

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > ,

> > > > Prathamesn Chawan

> > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > wow !!

> > > > >

> > > > > I liked it.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Jagdish

> > > > >

> > > > > Bejoy bejoy_cs@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Jyothi & All,

> > > > >

> > > > > To start with, I would like to clarify that am

> > not

> > > > > knowledegable in astrology / astronomy /

> > > > astrophysics.

> > > > > Whatever that has been written by me are my

> > own

> > > > > thoughts with no proof that I can provide to

> > > > > substantiate myself.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am just trying to decipher patterns in the

> > Vedas

> > > > > with what is now known as scientific facts.

> > > > >

> > > > > My interest in this area was triggered just 10

> > > > months

> > > > > back as I by coincidence found Patricia

> > Norelli

> > > > > Bachelet ( PNB ) thru Google and her article

> > on

> > > > the

> > > > > precession of equinox made me think. Please

> > visit

> > > > PNBs

> > > > > Aeon group www.aeongroup.com if you havent

> > known

> > > > her

> > > > > already.

> > > > >

> > > > > Having told this, what I have stated below is

> > > > infact

> > > > > at variance to what PNB is trying to say.

> > > > >

> > > > > To clarify myself more as you wanted ...

> > > > >

> > > > > Moon orbits earth at 1 Km/s.

> > > > >

> > > > > Earth orbits Sun at 30 Km/s.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sun orbits X at 217 Km/s.

> > > > >

> > > > > It still is a matter of conjecture if the Sun

> > > > actually

> > > > > is in an orbit. But it quite fair to assume

> > so.

> >

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>

>

>

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Dear Bejoy ji,

To read the english transilation of Vedas, follow the link:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/index.htm

The English transilation of Vishnu Purana is available at:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/vp/index.htm

 

Note: Check the links section of our group at times. Many such

valuable links are already present there.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, Bejoy <bejoy_cs

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> Is it possible for you to direct me to some links

> other than the one listed below which will be the

> english translation of the original Rig Veda / Vishnu

> Purana ?

>

> Would be grateful for that.

>

> Regards

>

> Bejoy C.S.

> www.keraladarsan

>

>

>

>

> --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

>

> > Dear Bejoy ji,

> > Yes, this is why I was telling you that, it is

> > Puranic description

> > and not the vedic one. To quote my words again -

> > ==>

> > > Describing the total zodiac as orbiting Pole star

> > > is a Puranicdescription and not a vedic one.

> > <==

> > There is document available in the file section

> > which may provide

> > some clarity about the difference between Vedic,

> > Puranic & Siddhantic

> > cosmology. The URL to the said document by

> > Prof.Subhash Kak is:

> >

>

Subhash%

> > 20Kak/YajnavalkyaandtheOriginsofPuranicCosmology.pdf

> >

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ,

> > Bejoy <bejoy_cs@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shreenadh and all,

> > >

> > > My source of info is as below ... dialogue between

> > > Parasara and Maithreya in the Vishnu Purana

> > > ..translated by Ralph Griffith.

> > >

> > >

> > > PARÁŒARA. The sphere of the earth (or Bhúr-loka),

> > > comprehending its oceans, mountains, and rivers,

> > > extends as far as it is illuminated by the rays of

> > the

> > > sun and moon; and to the same extent, both in

> > diameter

> > > and circumference, the sphere of the sky

> > (Bhuvar-loka)

> > > spreads above it (as far upwards as to the

> > planetary

> > > sphere, or Swar-loka) 1. The solar orb is situated

> > a

> > > hundred thousand leagues from the earth; and that

> > of

> > > the moon an equal distance from the sun. At the

> > same

> > > interval above the moon occurs the orbit of all

> > the

> > > lunar constellations. The planet Budha (Mercury)

> > is

> > > two hundred thousand leagues above the lunar

> > mansions.

> > > Œukra (Venus) is at the same distance from

> > Mercury.

> > > Angáraka (Mars) is as far above Venus; and the

> > priest

> > > of the gods (Vrihaspati, or Jupiter) as far from

> > Mars:

> > > whilst Saturn (Sani) is two hundred and fifty

> > thousand

> > > leagues beyond Jupiter. The sphere of the seven

> > Rishis

> > > (Ursa Major) is a hundred thousand leagues above

> > > Saturn; and at a similar height above the seven

> > Rishis

> > > is Dhruva (the pole-star), the pivot or axis of

> > the

> > > whole planetary circle. Such, Maitreya, is the

> > > elevation of the three spheres (Bhúr, Bhuvar,

> > Swar)

> > > which form the region of the consequences of

> > works.

> > > The region of works is here (or in the land of

> > > Bhárata) 2.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > p. 213

> > >

> > > Above Dhruva, at the distance of ton million

> > leagues,

> > > lies the sphere of saints, or Mahar-loka, the

> > > inhabitants of which dwell in it throughout a

> > Kalpa,

> > > or day of Brahmá. At twice that distance is

> > situated

> > > Janaloka, where Sanandana and other pure-minded

> > sons

> > > of Brahmá, reside. At four times the distance,

> > between

> > > the two last, lies the Tapo-loka (the sphere of

> > > penance), inhabited by the deities called

> > Vaibhrájas,

> > > who are unconsumable by fire. At six times the

> > > distance (or twelve Crores, a hundred and twenty

> > > millions of leagues) is situated Satya-loka, the

> > > sphere of truth, the inhabitants of which never

> > again

> > > know death 3.

> > >

> > >

> > > p. 214

> > >

> > > Wherever earthy substance exists, which may be

> > > traversed by the feet, that constitutes the sphere

> > of

> > > the earth, the dimensions of which I have already

> > > recounted to you. The region that extends from the

> > > earth to the sun, in which the Siddhas and other

> > > celestial beings move, is the atmospheric sphere,

> > > which also I have described. The interval between

> > the

> > > sun and Dhruva, extending fourteen hundred

> > thousand

> > > leagues, is called by those who are acquainted

> > with

> > > the system of the universe the heavenly sphere.

> > These

> > > three spheres are termed transitory: the three

> > > highest, Jana, Tapa, and Satya, are styled durable

> > 4:

> > > Maharloka, as situated between the two, has also a

> > > mixed character; for although it is deserted at

> > the

> > > end of the Kalpa, it is not destroyed. These seven

> > > spheres, together with the Pátálas, forming the

> > extent

> > > of the whole world, I have thus, Maitreya,

> > explained

> > > to you.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Bejoy C.S.

> > > www.keraladarsan.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Bijoy ji,

> > > > ==>

> > > > But as per RV - Saptarishis are also a good

> > > > candidate

> > > > for this job and Dhruva is described as the

> > centre

> > > > of

> > > > the zodiacal wheel. Dhruva being the pole star

> > is

> > > > almost at 90 degrees from the orbital plane of

> > the

> > > > solar system, so my above case is also ambigous.

> > > > <==

> > > > Describing the total zodiac as orbiting Pole

> > star

> > > > is a Puranic

> > > > description and not a vedic one. The description

> > is

> > > > true in the

> > > > sense - we can clearly see it from earth. Since

> > > > earth revolves around

> > > > its axis, we feel that the the total sky around

> > us

> > > > (the zodiac)

> > > > revolves around the axis fixed across Celestrial

> > > > North pole (and thus

> > > > Saptarshis) and Celestial South pole. Thus it is

> > a

> > > > natural

> > > > description from a common mans stnd point.

> > > > But I don't agree with ascribing the same

> > Puranic

> > > > decription on

> > > > Vedas and then trying to interpret that the Sun

> > (and

> > > > not the sky)

> > > > moves around Saptarshis (celestial pole), giving

> > it

> > > > an infallible

> > > > scientific color but which is truly

> > non-scientific

> > > > (because it

> > > > ascribes the ignorance on Vedic sages and

> > assumes

> > > > that they

> > > > considered earth as the center around which sun

> > > > revolves - which

> > > > erroneous and not supported by vedic rishis). As

> > we

> > > > know, the Vedic

> > > > sages had the clear understanding that earth

> > > > revolves around Sun and

> > > > also that earth is a planet like Venus, Jupiter

> > etc.

> > > > It is wrong to

> > > > ascribe the ignorance of Puranic dark ages on

> > Vedic

> > > > era of knowledge

> > > > and understanding. The vedas represent clear and

> > > > better understanding

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

>

>

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Dear Bejoy ji,

==>

Is Vedic and Puranic texts always at odds with each

other or is there something that they agree with each

other ? If they dont agree with each other even on the

basics then we too are headed in the wrong direction

by consulting those texts.

<==

In many instances there are much difference between Vedic, Epic &

Puranic knowledge. There was a long dark age, and lack of continuity

between the knowledge of Vedic period and the knowledge and stories

of puranic period. The puranic knowledge does not reflect the height

of understanding and scientific and systematic understanding as

reflected in the Vedic literature (Vedas, Upanishads etc). There are

hundreds of examples that can be used to clarify the same. If you

really need I can provide one as well - but don't make me do hard

work, because it is very difficult to find free time for me.

Your last statement in the above extract - makes me advice - Don't

just into such hasty conclusions such as 'we too are headed in the

wrong direction by consulting those texts', instead dive into them,

study them, and try to understand them in a better way - and don't

ever lose the grip from your life belt which is your own intelligence

and continuity.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, Bejoy <bejoy_cs

wrote:

>

>

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

>

> A beginner myself, I didnt know that Vedic and Puranic

> knowledge are different. For me, everything was

> looking the same.

>

> Is Vedic and Puranic texts always at odds with each

> other or is there something that they agree with each

> other ? If they dont agree with each other even on the

> basics then we too are headed in the wrong direction

> by consulting those texts.

> .

>

> Regards

>

> Bejoy C.S

> www.keraladarsan.com

>

>

>

>

> --- Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

>

> > Dear Bejoy ji,

> > Yes, this is why I was telling you that, it is

> > Puranic description

> > and not the vedic one. To quote my words again -

> > ==>

> > > Describing the total zodiac as orbiting Pole star

> > > is a Puranicdescription and not a vedic one.

> > <==

> > There is document available in the file section

> > which may provide

> > some clarity about the difference between Vedic,

> > Puranic & Siddhantic

> > cosmology. The URL to the said document by

> > Prof.Subhash Kak is:

> >

>

Subhash%

> > 20Kak/YajnavalkyaandtheOriginsofPuranicCosmology.pdf

> >

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ,

> > Bejoy <bejoy_cs@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shreenadh and all,

> > >

> > > My source of info is as below ... dialogue between

> > > Parasara and Maithreya in the Vishnu Purana

> > > ..translated by Ralph Griffith.

> > >

> > >

> > > PARÁŒARA. The sphere of the earth (or Bhúr-loka),

> > > comprehending its oceans, mountains, and rivers,

> > > extends as far as it is illuminated by the rays of

> > the

> > > sun and moon; and to the same extent, both in

> > diameter

> > > and circumference, the sphere of the sky

> > (Bhuvar-loka)

> > > spreads above it (as far upwards as to the

> > planetary

> > > sphere, or Swar-loka) 1. The solar orb is situated

> > a

> > > hundred thousand leagues from the earth; and that

> > of

> > > the moon an equal distance from the sun. At the

> > same

> > > interval above the moon occurs the orbit of all

> > the

> > > lunar constellations. The planet Budha (Mercury)

> > is

> > > two hundred thousand leagues above the lunar

> > mansions.

> > > Œukra (Venus) is at the same distance from

> > Mercury.

> > > Angáraka (Mars) is as far above Venus; and the

> > priest

> > > of the gods (Vrihaspati, or Jupiter) as far from

> > Mars:

> > > whilst Saturn (Sani) is two hundred and fifty

> > thousand

> > > leagues beyond Jupiter. The sphere of the seven

> > Rishis

> > > (Ursa Major) is a hundred thousand leagues above

> > > Saturn; and at a similar height above the seven

> > Rishis

> > > is Dhruva (the pole-star), the pivot or axis of

> > the

> > > whole planetary circle. Such, Maitreya, is the

> > > elevation of the three spheres (Bhúr, Bhuvar,

> > Swar)

> > > which form the region of the consequences of

> > works.

> > > The region of works is here (or in the land of

> > > Bhárata) 2.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > p. 213

> > >

> > > Above Dhruva, at the distance of ton million

> > leagues,

> > > lies the sphere of saints, or Mahar-loka, the

> > > inhabitants of which dwell in it throughout a

> > Kalpa,

> > > or day of Brahmá. At twice that distance is

> > situated

> > > Janaloka, where Sanandana and other pure-minded

> > sons

> > > of Brahmá, reside. At four times the distance,

> > between

> > > the two last, lies the Tapo-loka (the sphere of

> > > penance), inhabited by the deities called

> > Vaibhrájas,

> > > who are unconsumable by fire. At six times the

> > > distance (or twelve Crores, a hundred and twenty

> > > millions of leagues) is situated Satya-loka, the

> > > sphere of truth, the inhabitants of which never

> > again

> > > know death 3.

> > >

> > >

> > > p. 214

> > >

> > > Wherever earthy substance exists, which may be

> > > traversed by the feet, that constitutes the sphere

> > of

> > > the earth, the dimensions of which I have already

> > > recounted to you. The region that extends from the

> > > earth to the sun, in which the Siddhas and other

> > > celestial beings move, is the atmospheric sphere,

> > > which also I have described. The interval between

> > the

> > > sun and Dhruva, extending fourteen hundred

> > thousand

> > > leagues, is called by those who are acquainted

> > with

> > > the system of the universe the heavenly sphere.

> > These

> > > three spheres are termed transitory: the three

> > > highest, Jana, Tapa, and Satya, are styled durable

> > 4:

> > > Maharloka, as situated between the two, has also a

> > > mixed character; for although it is deserted at

> > the

> > > end of the Kalpa, it is not destroyed. These seven

> > > spheres, together with the Pátálas, forming the

> > extent

> > > of the whole world, I have thus, Maitreya,

> > explained

> > > to you.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Bejoy C.S.

> > > www.keraladarsan.com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Bijoy ji,

> > > > ==>

> > > > But as per RV - Saptarishis are also a good

> > > > candidate

> > > > for this job and Dhruva is described as the

> > centre

> > > > of

> > > > the zodiacal wheel. Dhruva being the pole star

> > is

> > > > almost at 90 degrees from the orbital plane of

> > the

> > > > solar system, so my above case is also ambigous.

> > > > <==

> > > > Describing the total zodiac as orbiting Pole

> > star

> > > > is a Puranic

> > > > description and not a vedic one. The description

> > is

> > > > true in the

> > > > sense - we can clearly see it from earth. Since

> > > > earth revolves around

> > > > its axis, we feel that the the total sky around

> > us

> > > > (the zodiac)

> > > > revolves around the axis fixed across Celestrial

> > > > North pole (and thus

> > > > Saptarshis) and Celestial South pole. Thus it is

> > a

> > > > natural

> > > > description from a common mans stnd point.

> > > > But I don't agree with ascribing the same

> > Puranic

> > > > decription on

> > > > Vedas and then trying to interpret that the Sun

> > (and

> > > > not the sky)

> > > > moves around Saptarshis (celestial pole), giving

> > it

> > > > an infallible

> > > > scientific color but which is truly

> > non-scientific

> > > > (because it

> > > > ascribes the ignorance on Vedic sages and

> > assumes

> > > > that they

> > > > considered earth as the center around which sun

> > > > revolves - which

> > > > erroneous and not supported by vedic rishis). As

> > we

> > > > know, the Vedic

> > > > sages had the clear understanding that earth

> > > > revolves around Sun and

> > > > also that earth is a planet like Venus, Jupiter

> > etc.

> > > > It is wrong to

> > > > ascribe the ignorance of Puranic dark ages on

> > Vedic

> > > > era of knowledge

> > > > and understanding. The vedas represent clear and

> > > > better understanding

> >

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