Guest guest Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Hare rama krishna ji , dear neelam gupta ji , I already given pointer s for unhappy relation ships >The strongest sign is moon and from moon 7th has sat R and its aspecting on 4th from moon (house of happiness ).Rahu ketu axis is in 2/8 from from .More over moon is karaka for mind . from venus karaka for married life 7th Lord has gone to a gupta stana 8th house destrying significance of 7th house . And we r in search for the rules ,which i openly admitted , what i depend is if important pointers are afflicted or not And if dasa is favring for such a problems . I told u abt his sexual preferences ( too mcuh affliction to venus may result is denial or which may change the normal activity to differnt areas -so out of marriage or relation ship with diffrnt persons etc ) And see that i am not sitting with only one chart and studying various effects >And this is the problem with indian ppl which no body knows what is happening actualy and some ppl even if affected dont wanted share any information. And she already passed 3 and 6th Lord jup dasa but jup is exalted and is in upachaya house ,so again showing only mild problems as 6th Lord .IN rahu which behaves like sani and places in maraka from lagna and 8th from moon and in 9th from venus ,might hav given some problems esp in end of dasa .But we need time of marriage also see the dasa advanced from that period can be noted ,Even day of marriage and dasas will show the results that cab happen in marriaed life . Let others also work on it . rgeds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sunilji, kishoreji,> Since the case is not so strong as to come out in open, there may be milder> signs of violence or aggression by husband.> Though it may not be correct, I figured this out in the lady's chart as> pointers to what we are looking for, pls give your feed back:> > Mars, the 7L is himself marak for the native, sitting in 8H from 7th...> physical & verbal abuse possible> > Moon is in 12H in mar's nakshatra... mental abuse possible> > Ketu is afflicting lagna who is in mar's nakshatra... physical abuse> possible> > Venus is retrograde, in ketu's nakshatra, who is mars himself...again> physical abuse> > regards> > neelam> > > On 21/02/2008, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > Further I think...> > In the case of this couple, only very close people know how he treats his> > wife. Even male chauvinists may not find anything wrong with this.> > We are not sure whether there is physical abuse. I have a strong reason to> > believe there is.> > Can we see any combination to confirm or negate this by our reading?> > Regards> > neelam> >> >> > On 21/02/2008, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > Since there are marital problems, we will surely be able to see those in> > > the charts. The points here, that all of us would like to understand is:> > > Whether we can point out that differences are because of a certain> > > factor called domestic violence, or> > > -- that the husband treats the wife well but has other relationships;> > > --- that the discord is because they are sexually incompatible;> > > -- that husband is an alcoholic or a drug addict> > > -- that the problem is of inlaws> > > etc.,etc.> > > there can be hundreds of reasons falling under incompatibility.> > >> > > What should we look for in a chart to see if there is a case of domestic> > > violence?> > > A lagna which is afflicted (where and by whom)? .... physical abuse> > > A moon which is afflicted (where and by whom)?.... mental abuse> > > Who seals the marriage (is it the planet in 2nd house which is the 8th> > > of 7H and is the vocal chord of the chart)?> > > Is it also the 6th house which is 12th from 7H and a house of disputes> > > anyways.?> > > just some thoughts....very basic...> > >> > > neelam> > >> > >> > > On 21/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna> > > >> > > > dear neelam gupta ji .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > i just made the charts and find that mental comaptialbility is less> > > > .And mans chart venus heavily afflicted .And lady has ketu and rahu axis in> > > > 7th from lagna ,7th from moon has sat and 8th has rahu .Same way from venus> > > > 7th Lord sat gone to 8th and 9th has rahu .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > But the dasas r some what favrable to support married life except the> > > > ongoing sat dasa whiich is also a long dasa .But from 1989-1990 onwards dasa> > > > chidras also started operating (both charts one dasa ends and other dasa> > > > starts )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Also male born in vipath thara from wifes moon nakshatra .(3rd in> > > > order )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so comaptiability is less and mans chart too much affliction to venus> > > > is may be contributing other factors also .(if u know for sure )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > also so many planets in 11th house also some times showing multitude> > > > of relations .Rest depends on the grooming and family values .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > venus afflicted can lead to other realtionships also> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I am waiting for others analysis .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Kishore ji and all,> > > > >> > > > > I am giving below a case of a couple, i know well. Let's see if can> > > > derive> > > > > something from this:> > > > >> > > > > Wife: 7.9.1967/9.40hrs/Rohtak/Haryana> > > > >> > > > > Husband: 15.8.1964/8.00 hrs/Delhi> > > > > Now let's take Kishore ji's parameters for domestic violence and> > > > apply them> > > > > to the couple . The situation here is as observed by others.> > > > >> > > > > a. physical violence ..... can't say> > > > > b. Insults before others .... yes> > > > > c. No respect- husband treats the wife as mere servant ... to a> > > > great> > > > > extent> > > > > d. Denying facilities .... no> > > > > e. Psychological war fare.... yes> > > > > f . sexual violence .... can't say> > > > > g. verbal assult .... yes> > > > > h. harassment for favors such as money or a job etc. .... no> > > > >> > > > > Apparantly the wife has compromised with her fate. She had revolted> > > > once,> > > > > but was suppressed. They have children, good home, all amenities,> > > > social> > > > > standing and respectability.> > > > >> > > > > Let us have the opinion of learned members on this couple.> > > > > Regards> > > > > neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 20/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > > >> > > > > > dear neelam gupta ji ,> > > > > >> > > > > > Good post on domestic violence .> > > > > >> > > > > > But i hav one practical observations against UN report on egypt> > > > .Most of> > > > > > the arab countries the man is paying the dowry (meher) to wife ,so> > > > any> > > > > > divorce is pain ful for him as she dont need to pay back this amnt> > > > also and> > > > > > she can retain wat ever he bought in her name according to islamic> > > > law .And> > > > > > practicaly also i seen man is more worried abt the cosmetic bills> > > > of his> > > > > > wife and i hardly find they r over ruling their wifes ( This is> > > > not the same> > > > > > in asiatic or or other afrikan countries were tribal or regional> > > > influnces r> > > > > > diffrnt ) .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > This is my observation only .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > I have been raking my database as well as brains to see> > > > something that> > > > > > can> > > > > > > qualify for posting under this thread.> > > > > > > There are hundreds of charts of marital discords and obviously> > > > the> > > > > > reasons> > > > > > > for discord also include:> > > > > > > a) domestic violence -- wife beating, even husband beating, in> > > > laws> > > > > > getting> > > > > > > violent etc.> > > > > > > b) harassment of wife by husband and its vice versa also on> > > > various> > > > > > > accounts.> > > > > > > Will they not get covered under this??> > > > > > >> > > > > > > To fine tune our understanding of what we are trying to probe,> > > > let us> > > > > > see> > > > > > > what is domestic violence.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Domestic violence can be described as when one adult in a> > > > relationship> > > > > > > misuses power to control another. It is the establishment of> > > > control and> > > > > > > fear in a relationship through violence and other forms of> > > > abuse. The> > > > > > > violence may involve physical abuse, sexual assault and threats.> > > > > > Sometimes> > > > > > > it's more subtle, like making someone feel worthless, not> > > > letting them> > > > > > have> > > > > > > any money, or not allowing them to leave the home. Social> > > > isolation and> > > > > > > emotional abuse can have long-lasting effects as well as> > > > physical> > > > > > violence.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Domestic Violence isn't just hitting, or fighting, or an> > > > occasional> > > > > > > argument. It's an abuse of power. The abuser tortures and> > > > controls the> > > > > > > victim by calculated threats, intimidation, and physical> > > > violence.> > > > > > Although> > > > > > > both men and women can be abused, in most cases, the victims are> > > > women.> > > > > > > Children in homes where there is domestic violence are also> > > > abused or> > > > > > > neglected. Although the woman is usually the primary target,> > > > violence is> > > > > > > sometimes directed toward children, and sometimes toward family> > > > members> > > > > > and> > > > > > > friends.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > According to a UN Report, around two-third of married women in> > > > India are> > > > > > > victims of domestic violence and one incident of violence> > > > translates> > > > > > into> > > > > > > women losing seven working days in the country.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > According to United Nation Population Fund (UNFP) as many as 70> > > > per cent> > > > > > of> > > > > > > married women in India between the age of 15 and 49 are victims> > > > of> > > > > > beating,> > > > > > > rape or coerced sex.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Rate of domestic violence amongst the highest in Egypt with 94> > > > per cent> > > > > > and> > > > > > > Zambia with 91 per cent.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Its not that domestic violence only occurs in poor, urban areas.> > > > Women> > > > > > of> > > > > > > all cultures, races, occupations, income levels, and ages are> > > > battered -> > > > > > by> > > > > > > husbands, boyfriends, lovers and partners. (Surgeon General> > > > Antonia> > > > > > Novello,> > > > > > > as quoted in Domestic Violence: Battered Women, publication of> > > > the> > > > > > Reference> > > > > > > Department of the Cambridge Public Library, Cambridge, MA)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Approximately one-third of the men counselled (for battering)> > > > were> > > > > > > professional men who are well respected in their jobs and their> > > > > > communities.> > > > > > > these have included doctors, psychologists, lawyers, ministers,> > > > and> > > > > > business> > > > > > > executives. (For Shelter and Beyond, Massachusetts Coalition of> > > > Battered> > > > > > > Women Service Groups, Boston, MA 1990)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > U.S. Department of Justice and Violence estimates that there are> > > > 960,000> > > > > > > incidents of violence against a current or former spouse,> > > > boyfriend, or> > > > > > > girlfriend per year to three million women who are physically> > > > abused by> > > > > > > their husband or boyfriend per year.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I think just saying domestic violence and harassment will> > > > practically> > > > > > cover> > > > > > > the entire population and you'll have to open the closets to get> > > > their> > > > > > birth> > > > > > > data, as most of such cases are obviously not reported.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We need to define the subject more carefully and try to> > > > establish our> > > > > > > parameters for qualifying under this category. The evidence> > > > should be> > > > > > > conclusive.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > love and regards> > > > > > > neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 20/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > dear kishore ji .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > if some can post any chart with lil feed back we could hav> > > > better see> > > > > > > > this in lite of this dictums .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But what is confucing me is UL gets broken after any serious> > > > > > relationships> > > > > > > > ,so again depend s on the sincere feed back from the persons> > > > who r> > > > > > > > consulting u .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > let us wait and see if some one can giv us any charts> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "kishore> > > > patnaik"> > > > > > > > kishorepatnaik09@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What you share or receive from your spouse is often seen> > > > from 2nd> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > UL-> > > > > > > > > dowry is only one of the things that a girl ends up giving> > > > to her> > > > > > > > husband> > > > > > > > > but sometimes, she may gain more from the husband than what> > > > she has> > > > > > > > given.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On the other hand, whether dowry is enjoyed by her inlaws> > > > can be> > > > > > seen by> > > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > > from 2nd from UL ie 4th from UL- this particularly shows who> > > > enjoys> > > > > > what> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > given by the native (dowry again forms part of this)- what> > > > if the> > > > > > money> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > spent on say, the marriage of sister of the husband or on> > > > the> > > > > > education> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > his brother? This can be read from this particular position.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Well, I am hesitant to add this, but one can also see if the> > > > native> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > an illicit relationship with one of members of the in laws> > > > family,> > > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > confirmation has to be given by other divisional charts-> > > > with D30> > > > > > often> > > > > > > > seen> > > > > > > > > as a clinching proof of her chastity or fidelity.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Very interestingly, these combinations for a male indicates> > > > that he> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > taking care of the in laws family or alternatively, he is> > > > being> > > > > > > > mistreated> > > > > > > > > by them. The illicit relationship, if any, has to be seen> > > > from 11th> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > 2nd from UL ie 12th from the UL- which again has to be> > > > confirmed by> > > > > > say,> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > position of Venus.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I would welcome the members' views on this topic since this> > > > is not> > > > > > only> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > very delicate topic but also, there is nothing conclusive in> > > > this> > > > > > kind> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > things.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kishore patnaik> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > Love is a fruit in season at all times,> > > > > > > > > and within the reach of every hand.> > > > > > > > > ~:~ Mother Theresa ~:~> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Dear Sunil ji,Thanks for giving us good pointers for this unhappy marital relationship. This very well establishes the fact that the lady is unhappy with or because of her marriage. Rahu/ketu axis in 2/8 from moon may mean verbal discords, disputes, sickness and threatened marriage. The couple got married on 10.2.1991 in the evening in Delhi. I have least doubts about your analysis and you've given us so many points in no time. As you also said, we are looking for rules that could tell us whether their is abuse in a relationship? If yes, what type? We're just brainstorming to see which of the factors can conclusively say that there is domestic violence or abuse. Not getting along, or unhappy marriage may not be a result of abuse.In this case, the couple's disregard for one another doesn't surface much and only those who know the couple very very closely have seen the bitterness in wife. The wife was told by her relatives that she should compromise as men are like that only and its not a big problem as she had all the amenities for good living and children of course. Husband is well known in social circles. We may try to see the problem in another manner. Let me give a case of another couple, also happen to be closely known.Wife: 28.9.1960/2.00 hrs/Kota Husband: 22.6.1958/5.40hrs/DelhiBoth husband and wife are reputed doctors and have had marital problems ever since they got married. Can we ascertain the cause of discord? Is it domestic violence? The similarity or differences between the two cases might lead us somewhere...Lets see what others have to say. So far we two are the ones putting our heads into it....thanks and best regards neelamOn 21/02/2008, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare rama krishna ji , dear neelam gupta ji , I already given pointer s for unhappy relation ships >The strongest sign is moon and from moon 7th has sat R and its aspecting on 4th from moon (house of happiness ).Rahu ketu axis is in 2/8 from from .More over moon is karaka for mind . from venus karaka for married life 7th Lord has gone to a gupta stana 8th house destrying significance of 7th house . And we r in search for the rules ,which i openly admitted , what i depend is if important pointers are afflicted or not And if dasa is favring for such a problems . I told u abt his sexual preferences ( too mcuh affliction to venus may result is denial or which may change the normal activity to differnt areas -so out of marriage or relation ship with diffrnt persons etc ) And see that i am not sitting with only one chart and studying various effects >And this is the problem with indian ppl which no body knows what is happening actualy and some ppl even if affected dont wanted share any information. And she already passed 3 and 6th Lord jup dasa but jup is exalted and is in upachaya house ,so again showing only mild problems as 6th Lord .IN rahu which behaves like sani and places in maraka from lagna and 8th from moon and in 9th from venus ,might hav given some problems esp in end of dasa .But we need time of marriage also see the dasa advanced from that period can be noted ,Even day of marriage and dasas will show the results that cab happen in marriaed life . Let others also work on it . rgeds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: >> Dear Sunilji, kishoreji,> Since the case is not so strong as to come out in open, there may be milder> signs of violence or aggression by husband.> Though it may not be correct, I figured this out in the lady's chart as > pointers to what we are looking for, pls give your feed back:> > Mars, the 7L is himself marak for the native, sitting in 8H from 7th...> physical & verbal abuse possible> > Moon is in 12H in mar's nakshatra... mental abuse possible > > Ketu is afflicting lagna who is in mar's nakshatra... physical abuse> possible> > Venus is retrograde, in ketu's nakshatra, who is mars himself...again> physical abuse > > regards> > neelam> > > On 21/02/2008, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > Further I think... > > In the case of this couple, only very close people know how he treats his> > wife. Even male chauvinists may not find anything wrong with this.> > We are not sure whether there is physical abuse. I have a strong reason to > > believe there is.> > Can we see any combination to confirm or negate this by our reading?> > Regards> > neelam> >> >> > On 21/02/2008, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote: > > >> > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > Since there are marital problems, we will surely be able to see those in> > > the charts. The points here, that all of us would like to understand is: > > > Whether we can point out that differences are because of a certain> > > factor called domestic violence, or> > > -- that the husband treats the wife well but has other relationships; > > > --- that the discord is because they are sexually incompatible;> > > -- that husband is an alcoholic or a drug addict> > > -- that the problem is of inlaws> > > etc.,etc. > > > there can be hundreds of reasons falling under incompatibility.> > >> > > What should we look for in a chart to see if there is a case of domestic> > > violence?> > > A lagna which is afflicted (where and by whom)? .... physical abuse > > > A moon which is afflicted (where and by whom)?.... mental abuse> > > Who seals the marriage (is it the planet in 2nd house which is the 8th> > > of 7H and is the vocal chord of the chart)? > > > Is it also the 6th house which is 12th from 7H and a house of disputes> > > anyways.?> > > just some thoughts....very basic...> > >> > > neelam> > > > > >> > > On 21/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna > > > >> > > > dear neelam gupta ji .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > i just made the charts and find that mental comaptialbility is less > > > > .And mans chart venus heavily afflicted .And lady has ketu and rahu axis in> > > > 7th from lagna ,7th from moon has sat and 8th has rahu .Same way from venus> > > > 7th Lord sat gone to 8th and 9th has rahu . > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > But the dasas r some what favrable to support married life except the> > > > ongoing sat dasa whiich is also a long dasa .But from 1989-1990 onwards dasa > > > > chidras also started operating (both charts one dasa ends and other dasa> > > > starts )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Also male born in vipath thara from wifes moon nakshatra .(3rd in > > > > order )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so comaptiability is less and mans chart too much affliction to venus> > > > is may be contributing other factors also .(if u know for sure ) > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > also so many planets in 11th house also some times showing multitude> > > > of relations .Rest depends on the grooming and family values . > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > venus afflicted can lead to other realtionships also> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I am waiting for others analysis . > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > > > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , " neelam gupta " > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Kishore ji and all,> > > > >> > > > > I am giving below a case of a couple, i know well. Let's see if can > > > > derive> > > > > something from this:> > > > >> > > > > Wife: 7.9.1967/9.40hrs/Rohtak/Haryana> > > > >> > > > > Husband: 15.8.1964/8.00 hrs/Delhi > > > > > Now let's take Kishore ji's parameters for domestic violence and> > > > apply them> > > > > to the couple . The situation here is as observed by others. > > > > >> > > > > a. physical violence ..... can't say> > > > > b. Insults before others .... yes> > > > > c. No respect- husband treats the wife as mere servant ... to a > > > > great> > > > > extent> > > > > d. Denying facilities .... no> > > > > e. Psychological war fare.... yes> > > > > f . sexual violence .... can't say > > > > > g. verbal assult .... yes> > > > > h. harassment for favors such as money or a job etc. .... no> > > > >> > > > > Apparantly the wife has compromised with her fate. She had revolted > > > > once,> > > > > but was suppressed. They have children, good home, all amenities,> > > > social> > > > > standing and respectability.> > > > > > > > > > Let us have the opinion of learned members on this couple.> > > > > Regards> > > > > neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > On 20/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > > >> > > > > > dear neelam gupta ji ,> > > > > >> > > > > > Good post on domestic violence .> > > > > > > > > > > > But i hav one practical observations against UN report on egypt> > > > .Most of> > > > > > the arab countries the man is paying the dowry (meher) to wife ,so > > > > any> > > > > > divorce is pain ful for him as she dont need to pay back this amnt> > > > also and> > > > > > she can retain wat ever he bought in her name according to islamic > > > > law .And> > > > > > practicaly also i seen man is more worried abt the cosmetic bills> > > > of his> > > > > > wife and i hardly find they r over ruling their wifes ( This is > > > > not the same> > > > > > in asiatic or or other afrikan countries were tribal or regional> > > > influnces r> > > > > > diffrnt ) .> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > This is my observation only .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , " neelam gupta " > > > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > I have been raking my database as well as brains to see > > > > something that> > > > > > can> > > > > > > qualify for posting under this thread.> > > > > > > There are hundreds of charts of marital discords and obviously > > > > the> > > > > > reasons> > > > > > > for discord also include:> > > > > > > a) domestic violence -- wife beating, even husband beating, in > > > > laws> > > > > > getting> > > > > > > violent etc.> > > > > > > b) harassment of wife by husband and its vice versa also on> > > > various > > > > > > > accounts.> > > > > > > Will they not get covered under this??> > > > > > >> > > > > > > To fine tune our understanding of what we are trying to probe, > > > > let us> > > > > > see> > > > > > > what is domestic violence.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Domestic violence can be described as when one adult in a > > > > relationship> > > > > > > misuses power to control another. It is the establishment of> > > > control and> > > > > > > fear in a relationship through violence and other forms of > > > > abuse. The> > > > > > > violence may involve physical abuse, sexual assault and threats.> > > > > > Sometimes> > > > > > > it's more subtle, like making someone feel worthless, not > > > > letting them> > > > > > have> > > > > > > any money, or not allowing them to leave the home. Social> > > > isolation and> > > > > > > emotional abuse can have long-lasting effects as well as > > > > physical> > > > > > violence.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Domestic Violence isn't just hitting, or fighting, or an> > > > occasional > > > > > > > argument. It's an abuse of power. The abuser tortures and> > > > controls the> > > > > > > victim by calculated threats, intimidation, and physical > > > > violence.> > > > > > Although> > > > > > > both men and women can be abused, in most cases, the victims are> > > > women.> > > > > > > Children in homes where there is domestic violence are also > > > > abused or> > > > > > > neglected. Although the woman is usually the primary target,> > > > violence is> > > > > > > sometimes directed toward children, and sometimes toward family > > > > members> > > > > > and> > > > > > > friends.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > According to a UN Report, around two-third of married women in > > > > India are> > > > > > > victims of domestic violence and one incident of violence> > > > translates> > > > > > into> > > > > > > women losing seven working days in the country. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > According to United Nation Population Fund (UNFP) as many as 70> > > > per cent> > > > > > of> > > > > > > married women in India between the age of 15 and 49 are victims > > > > of> > > > > > beating,> > > > > > > rape or coerced sex.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Rate of domestic violence amongst the highest in Egypt with 94 > > > > per cent> > > > > > and> > > > > > > Zambia with 91 per cent.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Its not that domestic violence only occurs in poor, urban areas. > > > > Women> > > > > > of> > > > > > > all cultures, races, occupations, income levels, and ages are> > > > battered -> > > > > > by > > > > > > > husbands, boyfriends, lovers and partners. (Surgeon General> > > > Antonia> > > > > > Novello,> > > > > > > as quoted in Domestic Violence: Battered Women, publication of > > > > the> > > > > > Reference> > > > > > > Department of the Cambridge Public Library, Cambridge, MA)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Approximately one-third of the men counselled (for battering) > > > > were> > > > > > > professional men who are well respected in their jobs and their> > > > > > communities.> > > > > > > these have included doctors, psychologists, lawyers, ministers, > > > > and> > > > > > business> > > > > > > executives. (For Shelter and Beyond, Massachusetts Coalition of> > > > Battered> > > > > > > Women Service Groups, Boston, MA 1990) > > > > > > >> > > > > > > U.S. Department of Justice and Violence estimates that there are> > > > 960,000> > > > > > > incidents of violence against a current or former spouse, > > > > boyfriend, or> > > > > > > girlfriend per year to three million women who are physically> > > > abused by> > > > > > > their husband or boyfriend per year. > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I think just saying domestic violence and harassment will> > > > practically> > > > > > cover> > > > > > > the entire population and you'll have to open the closets to get > > > > their> > > > > > birth> > > > > > > data, as most of such cases are obviously not reported.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We need to define the subject more carefully and try to > > > > establish our> > > > > > > parameters for qualifying under this category. The evidence> > > > should be> > > > > > > conclusive.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > love and regards> > > > > > > neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 20/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear kishore ji .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > if some can post any chart with lil feed back we could hav > > > > better see> > > > > > > > this in lite of this dictums .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But what is confucing me is UL gets broken after any serious> > > > > > relationships> > > > > > > > ,so again depend s on the sincere feed back from the persons > > > > who r> > > > > > > > consulting u .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > let us wait and see if some one can giv us any charts> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , " kishore > > > > patnaik " > > > > > > > > kishorepatnaik09@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What you share or receive from your spouse is often seen > > > > from 2nd> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > UL-> > > > > > > > > dowry is only one of the things that a girl ends up giving > > > > to her> > > > > > > > husband> > > > > > > > > but sometimes, she may gain more from the husband than what> > > > she has> > > > > > > > given. > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On the other hand, whether dowry is enjoyed by her inlaws> > > > can be> > > > > > seen by > > > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > > from 2nd from UL ie 4th from UL- this particularly shows who> > > > enjoys> > > > > > what > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > given by the native (dowry again forms part of this)- what> > > > if the> > > > > > money > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > spent on say, the marriage of sister of the husband or on> > > > the> > > > > > education > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > his brother? This can be read from this particular position.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Well, I am hesitant to add this, but one can also see if the > > > > native> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > an illicit relationship with one of members of the in laws> > > > family,> > > > > > > > though > > > > > > > > > confirmation has to be given by other divisional charts-> > > > with D30> > > > > > often> > > > > > > > seen > > > > > > > > > as a clinching proof of her chastity or fidelity.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Very interestingly, these combinations for a male indicates > > > > that he> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > taking care of the in laws family or alternatively, he is> > > > being> > > > > > > > mistreated > > > > > > > > > by them. The illicit relationship, if any, has to be seen> > > > from 11th> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > 2nd from UL ie 12th from the UL- which again has to be> > > > confirmed by> > > > > > say,> > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > position of Venus.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I would welcome the members' views on this topic since this > > > > is not> > > > > > only> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > very delicate topic but also, there is nothing conclusive in > > > > this> > > > > > kind> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > things.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kishore patnaik> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > Love is a fruit in season at all times, > > > > > > > > > and within the reach of every hand.> > > > > > > > > ~:~ Mother Theresa ~:~> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Dear Guruji, I dont know if this is the right forum for me to put down my thougts but I have been through a similar marital experience. I got married on June 29th, 2006 and have been very bad experience right from day 3. She was not the one I was looking for and there was no love and regard and I used to only complain. And hence she also became negative and we have been fighting like dogs intermittently on evry small and big things. Sometimes I try to control but again when i see her negative thoughts start coming as I am not able to stil digest and accpet het perosnality, attitude, COMPLEXION and else. Please go through our horoscopes and let us know if there are any pointers. Would be greatful if you can help us for future. Regards Jim 10th July 1978 18.40 Maunath Bhanjan ( 25.57N, 83.33E) wife 7th march 1982 9.40 Kalyan --- neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > Dear Sunil ji, > Thanks for giving us good pointers for this unhappy > marital relationship. This > very well establishes the fact that the lady is > unhappy with or because of > her marriage. Rahu/ketu axis in 2/8 from moon may > mean verbal discords, > disputes, sickness and threatened marriage. > The couple got married on 10.2.1991 in the evening > in Delhi. > I have least doubts about your analysis and you've > given us so many points > in no time. > As you also said, we are looking for rules that > could tell us whether their > is abuse in a relationship? If yes, what type? > We're just brainstorming to see which of the factors > can conclusively say > that there is domestic violence or abuse. > Not getting along, or unhappy marriage may not be a > result of abuse. > In this case, the couple's disregard for one another > doesn't surface much > and only those who know the couple very very closely > have seen the > bitterness in wife. The wife was told by her > relatives that she should > compromise as men are like that only and its not a > big problem as she had > all the amenities for good living and children of > course. Husband is well > known in social circles. > > We may try to see the problem in another manner. Let > me give a case of > another couple, also happen to be closely known. > Wife: 28.9.1960/2.00 hrs/Kota > Husband: 22.6.1958/5.40hrs/Delhi > Both husband and wife are reputed doctors and have > had marital problems ever > since they got married. > Can we ascertain the cause of discord? Is it > domestic violence? > > The similarity or differences between the two cases > might lead us > somewhere... > > Lets see what others have to say. So far we two are > the ones putting our > heads into it.... > > thanks and best regards > neelam > > > > > On 21/02/2008, sunil nair > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ji , > > > > dear neelam gupta ji , > > > > > > > > I already given pointer s for unhappy relation > ships >The strongest sign > > is moon and from moon 7th has sat R and its > aspecting on 4th from moon > > (house of happiness ).Rahu ketu axis is in 2/8 > from from .More over moon is > > karaka for mind . > > > > > > > > from venus karaka for married life 7th Lord has > gone to a gupta stana 8th > > house destrying significance of 7th house . > > > > > > > > And we r in search for the rules ,which i openly > admitted , > > > > what i depend is if important pointers are > afflicted or not And if dasa is > > favring for such a problems . > > > > > > > > I told u abt his sexual preferences ( too mcuh > affliction to venus may > > result is denial or which may change the normal > activity to differnt areas > > -so out of marriage or relation ship with diffrnt > persons etc ) And see > > that i am not sitting with only one chart and > studying various effects >And > > this is the problem with indian ppl which no body > knows what is happening > > actualy and some ppl even if affected dont wanted > share any information. > > > > And she already passed 3 and 6th Lord jup dasa but > jup is exalted and is > > in upachaya house ,so again showing only mild > problems as 6th Lord .IN rahu > > which behaves > > > > like sani and places in maraka from lagna and 8th > from moon and in 9th > > from venus ,might hav given some problems esp in > end of dasa .But we need > > time of marriage also see the dasa advanced from > that period can be noted > > ,Even day of marriage and dasas will show the > results that cab happen in > > marriaed life . > > > > > > > > > > > > Let others also work on it . > > > > > > > > rgeds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > , > " neelam gupta " > > <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunilji, kishoreji, > > > Since the case is not so strong as to come out > in open, there may be > > milder > > > signs of violence or aggression by husband. > > > Though it may not be correct, I figured this out > in the lady's chart as > > > pointers to what we are looking for, pls give > your feed back: > > > > > > Mars, the 7L is himself marak for the native, > sitting in 8H from 7th... > > > physical & verbal abuse possible > > > > > > Moon is in 12H in mar's nakshatra... mental > abuse possible > > > > > > Ketu is afflicting lagna who is in mar's > nakshatra... physical abuse > > > possible > > > > > > Venus is retrograde, in ketu's nakshatra, who is > mars himself...again > > > physical abuse > > > > > > regards > > > > > > neelam > > > > > > > > > On 21/02/2008, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > Further I think... > > > > In the case of this couple, only very close > people know how he treats > > his > > > > wife. Even male chauvinists may not find > anything wrong with this. > > > > We are not sure whether there is physical > abuse. I have a strong > > reason to > > > > believe there is. > > > > Can we see any combination to confirm or > negate this by our reading? > > > > Regards > > > > neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 21/02/2008, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > > > > Since there are marital problems, we will > surely be able to see > > those in > > > > > the charts. The points here, that all of us > would like to understand > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Hare rama krishna , dear neelam gupta ji , yes its true that we 2 r putting our head into this tread .srinivasji is on a vacation and sreenadhji is away to nativ place and busy with some personal assignments .I was having good expectations abt other lerned gurus . we can quote lot of texts but in practical scenario how its working that shud be the essence of astro wether one is astrologer or hobbyist .Since this is a discussion grp and we r serching for various tendencies which can change from time to time according to kaal desh patra principle ,we hav to set rules modyfied also accordingly . Some north indian and south indian states female foeticide is at the highest and some regions are paying the price for it .Esp among rich agricultural states in india ( i dont know abt punjab were sikhism dont treat ladies bad i blv ) .Now they dont hav girls to get married and some r importing or buying brides .resulting in cultural shocks and erroding of their values ( what ever it is ) ,even i heard old panchali system also getting revived secretly .So to evry action there is equal and opposite reaction which is the beauti of karma theorey . Today i saw some extracts of a movie directed by a afghani woman (names is like -Its is 5 oclock in the after noon ) were the heroine wanted to be like benazir bhutto ( she wanted to be prez of afganistan ) and how finaly she succumb to the presures of society and becomes like a any normal woman .( a country produced may b 40 films in last 100 years ) .So what ever we may say the society and place and time one lives in has a great say in human rights . Now coming to the charts datas u supplied . U can see the ladies chart the 7th Lord gone to 6th house of disputes >lagna lord moon is aspected and afflicted but with jupiter toning down lot of bad effects ,She has a good 4th house were venus and merc is there ( venus also gives a malavya yoga ) and presence of 2 good benefic might b giving all the comforts that 4th house can offer and also mentaly may b a good person irrespecting of moon is afflicted heavily . from lagna 2/8 has rahu -ketu axis showing verbal abuses which she can also giv .and 12th house also afflicted (sayana sukha stana ) esp u can see from venus 12th is heavily afflicted and may be showing lack of co rodial relations . Husband chart lagna lord and sun in lagna showing he is giving too much self importance ( esp sun --stree vidweshi ) but 4th has jup and giving some what mild in relations as mentaly may be better . But u can see from moon 4th house has sat with gulika and 8th has mars . also sani with gulika is in 7th from venus resulting in cold relations between husband and wife both nakshtras are of ketu s they born ,husband born in makha and lady born in moola ,so janma anujanma nakshatras and having vedha ( peircing effect on each other ) Luckily they escaped gandantha degrees . so dasas also will be similar tru out life which can giv problems depending on charts and lord ships . This is my reading s ,generaly malefis in 2nd alsways can show verbal abuses ,families disliking and our word misintrepreted by others . bad planets in 8th house also dont board well as as far relation ship is concerned ,we cannot just say a tabular format as all planets and chart as whole is we hav to anaylayse. And some off the astro thoughts - I find generaly man is not mono gamous and he dont want to take more responsibility generaly .But marriage is an institution made by society for its smooth functioning as kids and property comes in pic ,so all the laws originated from that . May be some may disagree with me . So the diffrnce in opinions and mutual mis matches may contribute to verbal abuse to physical assalt depending on the promises in charts and dasa s wheter its marriage or even professional field . Marriage is a life long bond were society want them to liv for ever .so this may show up in personal level more i am not too much generalising a serious issue . what i wanted is look for posible trends in charts and pre warn this too much over materialiistic parents who dont giv any consideration for other qualities while match making and forces astrologer also to giv his permission to marriage as they find this girl has properties or big profession or boy is very succesful . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> Thanks for giving us good pointers for this unhappy marital relationship. This> very well establishes the fact that the lady is unhappy with or because of> her marriage. Rahu/ketu axis in 2/8 from moon may mean verbal discords,> disputes, sickness and threatened marriage.> The couple got married on 10.2.1991 in the evening in Delhi.> I have least doubts about your analysis and you've given us so many points> in no time.> As you also said, we are looking for rules that could tell us whether their> is abuse in a relationship? If yes, what type?> We're just brainstorming to see which of the factors can conclusively say> that there is domestic violence or abuse.> Not getting along, or unhappy marriage may not be a result of abuse.> In this case, the couple's disregard for one another doesn't surface much> and only those who know the couple very very closely have seen the> bitterness in wife. The wife was told by her relatives that she should> compromise as men are like that only and its not a big problem as she had> all the amenities for good living and children of course. Husband is well> known in social circles.> > We may try to see the problem in another manner. Let me give a case of> another couple, also happen to be closely known.> Wife: 28.9.1960/2.00 hrs/Kota> Husband: 22.6.1958/5.40hrs/Delhi> Both husband and wife are reputed doctors and have had marital problems ever> since they got married.> Can we ascertain the cause of discord? Is it domestic violence?> > The similarity or differences between the two cases might lead us> somewhere...> > Lets see what others have to say. So far we two are the ones putting our> heads into it....> > thanks and best regards> neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Respected Neelamji I wish to brief my numero knowledge in connection with the discord wife date of birth is 28-9-1960, now if we see 28 belongs to sun number and husband date of birth is 22-6-1958, now here we see 22 belongs to Rahus number. Hence we see enimity between sun and rahu.(Solar escipes) this is the reason of discord as per numerology. thanking you binode kripalani 9831664581neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Sunil ji,Thanks for giving us good pointers for this unhappy marital relationship. This very well establishes the fact that the lady is unhappy with or because of her marriage. Rahu/ketu axis in 2/8 from moon may mean verbal discords, disputes, sickness and threatened marriage. The couple got married on 10.2.1991 in the evening in Delhi. I have least doubts about your analysis and you've given us so many points in no time. As you also said, we are looking for rules that could tell us whether their is abuse in a relationship? If yes, what type? We're just brainstorming to see which of the factors can conclusively say that there is domestic violence or abuse. Not getting along, or unhappy marriage may not be a result of abuse.In this case, the couple's disregard for one another doesn't surface much and only those who know the couple very very closely have seen the bitterness in wife. The wife was told by her relatives that she should compromise as men are like that only and its not a big problem as she had all the amenities for good living and children of course. Husband is well known in social circles.We may try to see the problem in another manner. Let me give a case of another couple, also happen to be closely known.Wife: 28.9.1960/2.00 hrs/KotaHusband: 22.6.1958/5.40hrs/DelhiBoth husband and wife are reputed doctors and have had marital problems ever since they got married. Can we ascertain the cause of discord? Is it domestic violence? The similarity or differences between the two cases might lead us somewhere...Lets see what others have to say. So far we two are the ones putting our heads into it....thanks and best regardsneelam On 21/02/2008, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: Hare rama krishna ji , dear neelam gupta ji , I already given pointer s for unhappy relation ships >The strongest sign is moon and from moon 7th has sat R and its aspecting on 4th from moon (house of happiness ).Rahu ketu axis is in 2/8 from from .More over moon is karaka for mind . from venus karaka for married life 7th Lord has gone to a gupta stana 8th house destrying significance of 7th house . And we r in search for the rules ,which i openly admitted , what i depend is if important pointers are afflicted or not And if dasa is favring for such a problems . I told u abt his sexual preferences ( too mcuh affliction to venus may result is denial or which may change the normal activity to differnt areas -so out of marriage or relation ship with diffrnt persons etc ) And see that i am not sitting with only one chart and studying various effects >And this is the problem with indian ppl which no body knows what is happening actualy and some ppl even if affected dont wanted share any information. And she already passed 3 and 6th Lord jup dasa but jup is exalted and is in upachaya house ,so again showing only mild problems as 6th Lord .IN rahu which behaves like sani and places in maraka from lagna and 8th from moon and in 9th from venus ,might hav given some problems esp in end of dasa .But we need time of marriage also see the dasa advanced from that period can be noted ,Even day of marriage and dasas will show the results that cab happen in marriaed life . Let others also work on it . rgeds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sunilji, kishoreji,> Since the case is not so strong as to come out in open, there may be milder> signs of violence or aggression by husband.> Though it may not be correct, I figured this out in the lady's chart as> pointers to what we are looking for, pls give your feed back:> > Mars, the 7L is himself marak for the native, sitting in 8H from 7th...> physical & verbal abuse possible> > Moon is in 12H in mar's nakshatra... mental abuse possible> > Ketu is afflicting lagna who is in mar's nakshatra... physical abuse> possible> > Venus is retrograde, in ketu's nakshatra, who is mars himself...again> physical abuse> > regards> > neelam> > > On 21/02/2008, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > Further I think...> > In the case of this couple, only very close people know how he treats his> > wife. Even male chauvinists may not find anything wrong with this.> > We are not sure whether there is physical abuse. I have a strong reason to> > believe there is.> > Can we see any combination to confirm or negate this by our reading?> > Regards> > neelam> >> >> > On 21/02/2008, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > Since there are marital problems, we will surely be able to see those in> > > the charts. The points here, that all of us would like to understand is:> > > Whether we can point out that differences are because of a certain> > > factor called domestic violence, or> > > -- that the husband treats the wife well but has other relationships;> > > --- that the discord is because they are sexually incompatible;> > > -- that husband is an alcoholic or a drug addict> > > -- that the problem is of inlaws> > > etc.,etc.> > > there can be hundreds of reasons falling under incompatibility.> > >> > > What should we look for in a chart to see if there is a case of domestic> > > violence?> > > A lagna which is afflicted (where and by whom)? .... physical abuse> > > A moon which is afflicted (where and by whom)?.... mental abuse> > > Who seals the marriage (is it the planet in 2nd house which is the 8th> > > of 7H and is the vocal chord of the chart)?> > > Is it also the 6th house which is 12th from 7H and a house of disputes> > > anyways.?> > > just some thoughts....very basic...> > >> > > neelam> > >> > > > > > On 21/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna> > > >> > > > dear neelam gupta ji .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > i just made the charts and find that mental comaptialbility is less> > > > .And mans chart venus heavily afflicted .And lady has ketu and rahu axis in> > > > 7th from lagna ,7th from moon has sat and 8th has rahu .Same way from venus> > > > 7th Lord sat gone to 8th and 9th has rahu .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > But the dasas r some what favrable to support married life except the> > > > ongoing sat dasa whiich is also a long dasa .But from 1989-1990 onwards dasa> > > > chidras also started operating (both charts one dasa ends and other dasa> > > > starts )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Also male born in vipath thara from wifes moon nakshatra .(3rd in> > > > order )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so comaptiability is less and mans chart too much affliction to venus> > > > is may be contributing other factors also .(if u know for sure )> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > also so many planets in 11th house also some times showing multitude> > > > of relations .Rest depends on the grooming and family values .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > venus afflicted can lead to other realtionships also> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I am waiting for others analysis .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Kishore ji and all,> > > > >> > > > > I am giving below a case of a couple, i know well. Let's see if can> > > > derive> > > > > something from this:> > > > >> > > > > Wife: 7.9.1967/9.40hrs/Rohtak/Haryana> > > > >> > > > > Husband: 15.8.1964/8.00 hrs/Delhi> > > > > Now let's take Kishore ji's parameters for domestic violence and> > > > apply them> > > > > to the couple . The situation here is as observed by others.> > > > >> > > > > a. physical violence ..... can't say> > > > > b. Insults before others .... yes> > > > > c. No respect- husband treats the wife as mere servant ... to a> > > > great> > > > > extent> > > > > d. Denying facilities .... no> > > > > e. Psychological war fare.... yes> > > > > f . sexual violence .... can't say> > > > > g. verbal assult .... yes> > > > > h. harassment for favors such as money or a job etc. .... no> > > > >> > > > > Apparantly the wife has compromised with her fate. She had revolted> > > > once,> > > > > but was suppressed. They have children, good home, all amenities,> > > > social> > > > > standing and respectability.> > > > >> > > > > Let us have the opinion of learned members on this couple.> > > > > Regards> > > > > neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 20/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > > >> > > > > > dear neelam gupta ji ,> > > > > >> > > > > > Good post on domestic violence .> > > > > >> > > > > > But i hav one practical observations against UN report on egypt> > > > .Most of> > > > > > the arab countries the man is paying the dowry (meher) to wife ,so> > > > any> > > > > > divorce is pain ful for him as she dont need to pay back this amnt> > > > also and> > > > > > she can retain wat ever he bought in her name according to islamic> > > > law .And> > > > > > practicaly also i seen man is more worried abt the cosmetic bills> > > > of his> > > > > > wife and i hardly find they r over ruling their wifes ( This is> > > > not the same> > > > > > in asiatic or or other afrikan countries were tribal or regional> > > > influnces r> > > > > > diffrnt ) .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > This is my observation only .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > I have been raking my database as well as brains to see> > > > something that> > > > > > can> > > > > > > qualify for posting under this thread.> > > > > > > There are hundreds of charts of marital discords and obviously> > > > the> > > > > > reasons> > > > > > > for discord also include:> > > > > > > a) domestic violence -- wife beating, even husband beating, in> > > > laws> > > > > > getting> > > > > > > violent etc.> > > > > > > b) harassment of wife by husband and its vice versa also on> > > > various> > > > > > > accounts.> > > > > > > Will they not get covered under this??> > > > > > >> > > > > > > To fine tune our understanding of what we are trying to probe,> > > > let us> > > > > > see> > > > > > > what is domestic violence.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Domestic violence can be described as when one adult in a> > > > relationship> > > > > > > misuses power to control another. It is the establishment of> > > > control and> > > > > > > fear in a relationship through violence and other forms of> > > > abuse. The> > > > > > > violence may involve physical abuse, sexual assault and threats.> > > > > > Sometimes> > > > > > > it's more subtle, like making someone feel worthless, not> > > > letting them> > > > > > have> > > > > > > any money, or not allowing them to leave the home. Social> > > > isolation and> > > > > > > emotional abuse can have long-lasting effects as well as> > > > physical> > > > > > violence.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Domestic Violence isn't just hitting, or fighting, or an> > > > occasional> > > > > > > argument. It's an abuse of power. The abuser tortures and> > > > controls the> > > > > > > victim by calculated threats, intimidation, and physical> > > > violence.> > > > > > Although> > > > > > > both men and women can be abused, in most cases, the victims are> > > > women.> > > > > > > Children in homes where there is domestic violence are also> > > > abused or> > > > > > > neglected. Although the woman is usually the primary target,> > > > violence is> > > > > > > sometimes directed toward children, and sometimes toward family> > > > members> > > > > > and> > > > > > > friends.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > According to a UN Report, around two-third of married women in> > > > India are> > > > > > > victims of domestic violence and one incident of violence> > > > translates> > > > > > into> > > > > > > women losing seven working days in the country.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > According to United Nation Population Fund (UNFP) as many as 70> > > > per cent> > > > > > of> > > > > > > married women in India between the age of 15 and 49 are victims> > > > of> > > > > > beating,> > > > > > > rape or coerced sex.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Rate of domestic violence amongst the highest in Egypt with 94> > > > per cent> > > > > > and> > > > > > > Zambia with 91 per cent.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Its not that domestic violence only occurs in poor, urban areas.> > > > Women> > > > > > of> > > > > > > all cultures, races, occupations, income levels, and ages are> > > > battered -> > > > > > by> > > > > > > husbands, boyfriends, lovers and partners. (Surgeon General> > > > Antonia> > > > > > Novello,> > > > > > > as quoted in Domestic Violence: Battered Women, publication of> > > > the> > > > > > Reference> > > > > > > Department of the Cambridge Public Library, Cambridge, MA)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Approximately one-third of the men counselled (for battering)> > > > were> > > > > > > professional men who are well respected in their jobs and their> > > > > > communities.> > > > > > > these have included doctors, psychologists, lawyers, ministers,> > > > and> > > > > > business> > > > > > > executives. (For Shelter and Beyond, Massachusetts Coalition of> > > > Battered> > > > > > > Women Service Groups, Boston, MA 1990)> > > > > > >> > > > > > > U.S. Department of Justice and Violence estimates that there are> > > > 960,000> > > > > > > incidents of violence against a current or former spouse,> > > > boyfriend, or> > > > > > > girlfriend per year to three million women who are physically> > > > abused by> > > > > > > their husband or boyfriend per year.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I think just saying domestic violence and harassment will> > > > practically> > > > > > cover> > > > > > > the entire population and you'll have to open the closets to get> > > > their> > > > > > birth> > > > > > > data, as most of such cases are obviously not reported.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > We need to define the subject more carefully and try to> > > > establish our> > > > > > > parameters for qualifying under this category. The evidence> > > > should be> > > > > > > conclusive.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > love and regards> > > > > > > neelam> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > On 20/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > dear kishore ji .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > if some can post any chart with lil feed back we could hav> > > > better see> > > > > > > > this in lite of this dictums .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But what is confucing me is UL gets broken after any serious> > > > > > relationships> > > > > > > > ,so again depend s on the sincere feed back from the persons> > > > who r> > > > > > > > consulting u .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > let us wait and see if some one can giv us any charts> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "kishore> > > > patnaik"> > > > > > > > kishorepatnaik09@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > What you share or receive from your spouse is often seen> > > > from 2nd> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > UL-> > > > > > > > > dowry is only one of the things that a girl ends up giving> > > > to her> > > > > > > > husband> > > > > > > > > but sometimes, she may gain more from the husband than what> > > > she has> > > > > > > > given.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > On the other hand, whether dowry is enjoyed by her inlaws> > > > can be> > > > > > seen by> > > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > > from 2nd from UL ie 4th from UL- this particularly shows who> > > > enjoys> > > > > > what> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > given by the native (dowry again forms part of this)- what> > > > if the> > > > > > money> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > spent on say, the marriage of sister of the husband or on> > > > the> > > > > > education> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > his brother? This can be read from this particular position.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Well, I am hesitant to add this, but one can also see if the> > > > native> > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > an illicit relationship with one of members of the in laws> > > > family,> > > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > confirmation has to be given by other divisional charts-> > > > with D30> > > > > > often> > > > > > > > seen> > > > > > > > > as a clinching proof of her chastity or fidelity.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Very interestingly, these combinations for a male indicates> > > > that he> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > taking care of the in laws family or alternatively, he is> > > > being> > > > > > > > mistreated> > > > > > > > > by them. The illicit relationship, if any, has to be seen> > > > from 11th> > > > > > from> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > 2nd from UL ie 12th from the UL- which again has to be> > > > confirmed by> > > > > > say,> > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > position of Venus.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I would welcome the members' views on this topic since this> > > > is not> > > > > > only> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > very delicate topic but also, there is nothing conclusive in> > > > this> > > > > > kind> > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > things.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Kishore patnaik> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > Love is a fruit in season at all times,> > > > > > > > > and within the reach of every hand.> > > > > > > > > ~:~ Mother Theresa ~:~> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > >> > >> > >> >> binode kripalani numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata) binodeuk binode_kripalani Why delete messages? 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Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Mr Jim, Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and basically skin deep. Values, in this day and age, are subject to inflation. After you get some astrological cues, also meet a counsellor and read some spiritual books. Probably " a birds eye view " will help you see some beauty spot in your spouse.--- On Thu, 21/2/08, Jim < Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Dear All,If I have to put down some pointers in our relationship they are like:a. physical violence ..... very lessb. Insults before others .... yes. mostly husband complains about wife which she takes very perosnally and reacts with bad mood. bad mood affects whole family c. No respect- husband treats the wife as mere servant ... Not like servant, husband tries to make her happy but without love and respectd. Denying facilities .... no e. Psychological war fare.... yes f . sexual violence .... no g. verbal assult .... yes h. harassment for favors such as money or a job etc. .... no Posted through Grouply, the better way to access your like this one. Check out Grouply here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Dear Sunilji,Very rightly said. As astros our prime duty is to provide judicious guidance to people who are facing problems in different areas of their lives.The entire exercise is also aimed at that.In making a judgment about the balance in a relationship we may also consider this: Since the zodiac begins with Aries, the natural seventh is Libra. Thus, the main indicators of marriage are Libra and its lord Venus, as far as men are concerned. The seventh from Libra being Aries, the chief indicators of marriage for a woman are Aries and Mars. See the irony... For Men (Aries) venus is a double marak and for women (Libra), mars is a double marak. That the two shall always be at loggerheads...that's what the nature wants...who can stop it if Brahma wants it like this. However on a serious note:In a woman's chart, the Moon is also taken into consideration since the menstrual period is regulated by Moon and Mars; and in a man's nativity Sun too is examined carefully. In a man's chart, we have to consider Libra and the 7th from the ascendant, Sun and Venus; and in a woman's we see Aries and the seventh from the ascendant, Moon and Mars. The eighth houses from these govern the sex life; and therefore Scorpio for the men and Taurus for women are added to the list. Then the extra marital life is determined by the twelfth house from the ascendant; and in a man's chart, Pisces too need scrutiny while in a woman's Virgo too deserves a study. We may also, in order to simplify, find out the strongest among the ascendant, Sun and Venus in a man's chart, and among the ascendant Moon and Mars in a woman's chart. The major scrutiny can be done from this point only. The others may be used as corroborating or strengthening aids. A strong, well-placed and unafflicted Venus gives a harmonious and balanced marital life of man. A similar Mars governs the balanced sex life of a woman. These are the two basic planets. Venus is to be examined with the Sun, and Mars with the Moon. The position of Venus in a male chart is to be compared with that of Mars in the wife's chart, and a similar comparison between the Sun in the husband's chart and the Moon in the wife's is necessary. Whether they aspect one another, or they are posited with respect to one another must be noted. Now coming to the point about physical abuse and violence:I feel that whenever moon and mars are under affliction along with lagna and lagna lord and somehow 7H/7L also get connected in the warfare, there is excessive abuse to the women. In a man's chart if his sun and venus are afflicted involving lagna/LL and 7H/7L then chances are that he's harassed by the woman. If his lagna/LL are not involved then he may be otherwise suffering in marriage. Men with mars in 7H are seen to be aggressive towards their partners. Same goes for the 4H mars also as it aspects 7H. Added afflictions go on increasing the intensity of abuse. Warm regardsneelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Dear Kripalani ji,Thanks for giving the numero-viewpoint.We, in this forum are not into numerology. At least my knowledge about numerology is near to zero. But its good that a problem can be approached and tackled by many different methods. thanksneelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Thanks a lot sir for your reply. I am fully aware and understand what you have guided. But i dont know I am not able to come over it and everytime it keeps coming in my mind that I dont deserve this or at least why it happened to me. At the same time I know we are all governed by destiny and we should learn to accpet things instead of cribbing in life. Its not that I am not exposed to all this. I fully understand this but I am not able to come out of my feelings and hence bad behaviour towards her and I always expect that some day will come when she will appeal to me and I will love her, miss her. Its not that I dont care for her but I hope you understand what I mean to say. Love should come from heart and then its true love which is not coming.all this leads to lot of fights, violence and discomfort among us. Not only that her speech problems, and lack of handling things smartly further worsen the problem.I need astrological help to understand if things would become better among us and whether she will improve and our future togather?Pls guide. Posted through Grouply, the better way to access your like this one. Check out Grouply here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Hare rama krishna , dear neelam gupta ji , Yes very good observations . Now we r seeing on the basis of actual life scenarios .The main obstacle i find after even a divorce many wont reveal the actual reasons for it . I know one boy his wife walked out on him after he legaly married her and they were living together for 2 years >which their families does not know .Then he made it like a choice marriage and both family agreed and after 40th day of marriage she walk out saying u r not a man . still i dont find the reasons ,Now the datas r lying some where is my daily ledger And i am very lazy also as far as collection of data is concerned . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> Very rightly said. As astros our prime duty is to provide judicious guidance> to people who are facing problems in different areas of their lives.> > The entire exercise is also aimed at that.> > In making a judgment about the balance in a relationship we may also> consider this:> > Since the zodiac begins with Aries, the natural seventh is Libra. Thus, the> main indicators of marriage are Libra and its lord Venus, as far as men are> concerned. The seventh from Libra being Aries, the chief indicators of> marriage for a woman are Aries and Mars. See the irony... For Men (Aries)> venus is a double marak and for women (Libra), mars is a double marak. That> the two shall always be at loggerheads...that's what the nature wants...who> can stop it if Brahma wants it like this.> > However on a serious note:> In a woman's chart, the Moon is also taken into consideration since the> menstrual period is regulated by Moon and Mars; and in a man's nativity Sun> too is examined carefully. In a man's chart, we have to consider Libra and> the 7th from the ascendant, Sun and Venus; and in a woman's we see Aries and> the seventh from the ascendant, Moon and Mars. The eighth houses from these> govern the sex life; and therefore Scorpio for the men and Taurus for women> are added to the list. Then the extra marital life is determined by the> twelfth house from the ascendant; and in a man's chart, Pisces too need> scrutiny while in a woman's Virgo too deserves a study.> > We may also, in order to simplify, find out the strongest among the> ascendant, Sun and Venus in a man's chart, and among the ascendant Moon and> Mars in a woman's chart. The major scrutiny can be done from this point> only. The others may be used as corroborating or strengthening aids.> > A strong, well-placed and unafflicted Venus gives a harmonious and balanced> marital life of man. A similar Mars governs the balanced sex life of a> woman. These are the two basic planets. Venus is to be examined with the> Sun, and Mars with the Moon. The position of Venus in a male chart is to be> compared with that of Mars in the wife's chart, and a similar comparison> between the Sun in the husband's chart and the Moon in the wife's is> necessary. Whether they aspect one another, or they are posited with respect> to one another must be noted.> > Now coming to the point about physical abuse and violence:> I feel that whenever moon and mars are under affliction along with lagna and> lagna lord and somehow 7H/7L also get connected in the warfare, there is> excessive abuse to the women.> In a man's chart if his sun and venus are afflicted involving lagna/LL and> 7H/7L then chances are that he's harassed by the woman. If his lagna/LL are> not involved then he may be otherwise suffering in marriage. Men with mars> in 7H are seen to be aggressive towards their partners. Same goes for the 4H> mars also as it aspects 7H. Added afflictions go on increasing the intensity> of abuse.> > Warm regards> neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 I am struggling to cast the charts, my SW is bad. Will you please give the details of the charts? I need D1,D9 and D30 regards, Kishore patnaik On 2/20/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Sunil ji, Kishore ji and all,I am giving below a case of a couple, i know well. Let's see if can derive something from this:Wife: 7.9.1967/9.40hrs/Rohtak/Haryana Husband: 15.8.1964/8.00 hrs/DelhiNow let's take Kishore ji's parameters for domestic violence and apply them to the couple . The situation here is as observed by others.a. physical violence ..... can't say b. Insults before others .... yes c. No respect- husband treats the wife as mere servant ... to a great extent d. Denying facilities .... no e. Psychological war fare.... yes f . sexual violence .... can't say g. verbal assult .... yes h. harassment for favors such as money or a job etc. .... noApparantly the wife has compromised with her fate. She had revolted once, but was suppressed. They have children, good home, all amenities, social standing and respectability. Let us have the opinion of learned members on this couple.Regardsneelam On 20/02/2008, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hare rama krishna dear neelam gupta ji , Good post on domestic violence . But i hav one practical observations against UN report on egypt .Most of the arab countries the man is paying the dowry (meher) to wife ,so any divorce is pain ful for him as she dont need to pay back this amnt also and she can retain wat ever he bought in her name according to islamic law .And practicaly also i seen man is more worried abt the cosmetic bills of his wife and i hardly find they r over ruling their wifes ( This is not the same in asiatic or or other afrikan countries were tribal or regional influnces r diffrnt ) . This is my observation only . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: >> Dear Sunil ji,> I have been raking my database as well as brains to see something that can> qualify for posting under this thread.> There are hundreds of charts of marital discords and obviously the reasons > for discord also include:> a) domestic violence -- wife beating, even husband beating, in laws getting> violent etc.> b) harassment of wife by husband and its vice versa also on various> accounts. > Will they not get covered under this??> > To fine tune our understanding of what we are trying to probe, let us see> what is domestic violence.> > Domestic violence can be described as when one adult in a relationship > misuses power to control another. It is the establishment of control and> fear in a relationship through violence and other forms of abuse. The> violence may involve physical abuse, sexual assault and threats. Sometimes > it's more subtle, like making someone feel worthless, not letting them have> any money, or not allowing them to leave the home. Social isolation and> emotional abuse can have long-lasting effects as well as physical violence. > > Domestic Violence isn't just hitting, or fighting, or an occasional> argument. It's an abuse of power. The abuser tortures and controls the> victim by calculated threats, intimidation, and physical violence. Although > both men and women can be abused, in most cases, the victims are women.> Children in homes where there is domestic violence are also abused or> neglected. Although the woman is usually the primary target, violence is > sometimes directed toward children, and sometimes toward family members and> friends.> > According to a UN Report, around two-third of married women in India are> victims of domestic violence and one incident of violence translates into > women losing seven working days in the country.> > According to United Nation Population Fund (UNFP) as many as 70 per cent of> married women in India between the age of 15 and 49 are victims of beating, > rape or coerced sex.> > Rate of domestic violence amongst the highest in Egypt with 94 per cent and> Zambia with 91 per cent.> > Its not that domestic violence only occurs in poor, urban areas. Women of > all cultures, races, occupations, income levels, and ages are battered - by> husbands, boyfriends, lovers and partners. (Surgeon General Antonia Novello,> as quoted in Domestic Violence: Battered Women, publication of the Reference > Department of the Cambridge Public Library, Cambridge, MA)> > Approximately one-third of the men counselled (for battering) were> professional men who are well respected in their jobs and their communities. > these have included doctors, psychologists, lawyers, ministers, and business> executives. (For Shelter and Beyond, Massachusetts Coalition of Battered> Women Service Groups, Boston, MA 1990)> > U.S. Department of Justice and Violence estimates that there are 960,000> incidents of violence against a current or former spouse, boyfriend, or> girlfriend per year to three million women who are physically abused by > their husband or boyfriend per year.> > I think just saying domestic violence and harassment will practically cover> the entire population and you'll have to open the closets to get their birth > data, as most of such cases are obviously not reported.> > We need to define the subject more carefully and try to establish our> parameters for qualifying under this category. The evidence should be > conclusive.> > love and regards> neelam> > > > On 20/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> >> >> >> > Hare ramakrishna> >> > dear kishore ji .> >> >> > > > if some can post any chart with lil feed back we could hav better see> > this in lite of this dictums .> >> >> >> > But what is confucing me is UL gets broken after any serious relationships > > ,so again depend s on the sincere feed back from the persons who r> > consulting u .> >> >> >> >> >> > let us wait and see if some one can giv us any charts > >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , " kishore patnaik " > > kishorepatnaik09@ wrote:> > >> > > What you share or receive from your spouse is often seen from 2nd from> > UL-> > > dowry is only one of the things that a girl ends up giving to her > > husband> > > but sometimes, she may gain more from the husband than what she has> > given.> > >> > > On the other hand, whether dowry is enjoyed by her inlaws can be seen by > > 3rd> > > from 2nd from UL ie 4th from UL- this particularly shows who enjoys what> > is> > > given by the native (dowry again forms part of this)- what if the money> > is > > > spent on say, the marriage of sister of the husband or on the education> > of> > > his brother? This can be read from this particular position.> > >> > > Well, I am hesitant to add this, but one can also see if the native has > > > an illicit relationship with one of members of the in laws family,> > though> > > confirmation has to be given by other divisional charts- with D30 often> > seen> > > as a clinching proof of her chastity or fidelity. > > >> > > Very interestingly, these combinations for a male indicates that he is> > > taking care of the in laws family or alternatively, he is being> > mistreated> > > by them. The illicit relationship, if any, has to be seen from 11th from > > the> > > 2nd from UL ie 12th from the UL- which again has to be confirmed by say,> > the> > > position of Venus.> > >> > > I would welcome the members' views on this topic since this is not only > > a> > > very delicate topic but also, there is nothing conclusive in this kind> > of> > > things.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Kishore patnaik> > >> > >> > >> > > --> > > Love is a fruit in season at all times,> > > and within the reach of every hand. > > > ~:~ Mother Theresa ~:~> > >> >> > > >> -- Love is a fruit in season at all times, and within the reach of every hand.~:~ Mother Theresa ~:~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Mr Jim,If you know a bit of astrology, can't you see what planets are trying to tell you.Your LL (self) and 4L sukh & happiness) -- jupiter is closely conjunct with 9L sun in 7H of spouse. Your seventh house holds the key to bhagya, sukh and your own self. You have very special planetary positions. 4 planets in 9H and mars and moon in degree conjunction, venus and saturn in degree conjunction.There you are, a very religious, spiritual person and most importantly aware of your own problem. Your mind moon, is under the influence of mars, saturn and venus. 7L mercury is in 8H which is not bad for marriage, but has given you a faulty understanding of life as it is karak for budhdhi, dispositor is moon as 8L in 9H. Check out the navamsh and you'll know what I mean. All the planets are in 8H and mars with moon aspecting them. Just try to see the inner beauty of your partner and love her for what she is. Your life will be a bliss. blessingsneelamOn 21/02/2008, jim kh <vivluv_2000 wrote: Thanks a lot sir for your reply. I am fully aware and understand what you have guided. But i dont know I am not able to come over it and everytime it keeps coming in my mind that I dont deserve this or at least why it happened to me. At the same time I know we are all governed by destiny and we should learn to accpet things instead of cribbing in life. Its not that I am not exposed to all this. I fully understand this but I am not able to come out of my feelings and hence bad behaviour towards her and I always expect that some day will come when she will appeal to me and I will love her, miss her. Its not that I dont care for her but I hope you understand what I mean to say. Love should come from heart and then its true love which is not coming. all this leads to lot of fights, violence and discomfort among us. Not only that her speech problems, and lack of handling things smartly further worsen the problem.I need astrological help to understand if things would become better among us and whether she will improve and our future togather?Pls guide. Posted through Grouply, the better way to access your like this one. Check out Grouply here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Hare ramakrishna , dear neelam guptaji and kripalani ji , Numbers rules a entire 24 hrs which ever way u take and i dont know how it can explain in case of mutiple marriages other habbits ,kinky habbits etc .I know some community cheifs still married more than a dozen times so obviously they will be born in diffrnt dates ( all his spouces ) and i dont think they can raise any voice or even revolting is out of question . so these r my doubts how can it explain ??Pls think abt this in more broader canvass and all possible events and think if its expalianable .Other wise we dont need this vedic astro --the more u go deep u feel still u need to learn and reserch more ,if we can explain with just 9 numbers ,think how easy it will be i am not becoming pragmatic here but i am open to all systems which r convincing regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Kripalani ji,> Thanks for giving the numero-viewpoint.> We, in this forum are not into numerology. At least my knowledge about> numerology is near to zero.> But its good that a problem can be approached and tackled by many different> methods.> thanks> neelam> > On 21/02/2008, vasdev kripalani udharam binnumero wrote:> >> > *Respected Neelamji*> > *I wish to brief my numero knowledge in connection with the discord*> > *wife date of birth is 28-9-1960, now if we see 28 belongs to sun number *> > *and husband date of birth is 22-6-1958, now here we see 22 belongs to> > Rahus number. Hence we see enimity between sun and rahu.(Solar escipes) this> > is the reason of discord as per numerology.*> > *thanking you *> > *binode kripalani 9831664581*> >> > *neelam gupta neelamgupta07* wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > Thanks for giving us good pointers for this unhappy marital relationship. This> > very well establishes the fact that the lady is unhappy with or because of> > her marriage. Rahu/ketu axis in 2/8 from moon may mean verbal discords,> > disputes, sickness and threatened marriage.> > The couple got married on 10.2.1991 in the evening in Delhi.> > I have least doubts about your analysis and you've given us so many points> > in no time.> > As you also said, we are looking for rules that could tell us whether> > their is abuse in a relationship? If yes, what type?> > We're just brainstorming to see which of the factors can conclusively say> > that there is domestic violence or abuse.> > Not getting along, or unhappy marriage may not be a result of abuse.> > In this case, the couple's disregard for one another doesn't surface much> > and only those who know the couple very very closely have seen the> > bitterness in wife. The wife was told by her relatives that she should> > compromise as men are like that only and its not a big problem as she had> > all the amenities for good living and children of course. Husband is well> > known in social circles.> >> > We may try to see the problem in another manner. Let me give a case of> > another couple, also happen to be closely known.> > Wife: 28.9.1960/2.00 hrs/Kota> > Husband: 22.6.1958/5.40hrs/Delhi> > Both husband and wife are reputed doctors and have had marital problems> > ever since they got married.> > Can we ascertain the cause of discord? Is it domestic violence?> >> > The similarity or differences between the two cases might lead us> > somewhere...> >> > Lets see what others have to say. So far we two are the ones putting our> > heads into it....> >> > thanks and best regards> > neelam> >> >> >> >> > On 21/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > >> > >> > > Hare rama krishna ji ,> > > dear neelam gupta ji ,> > >> > > I already given pointer s for unhappy relation ships >The strongest> > > sign is moon and from moon 7th has sat R and its aspecting on 4th from moon> > > (house of happiness ).Rahu ketu axis is in 2/8 from from .More over moon is> > > karaka for mind .> > >> > > from venus karaka for married life 7th Lord has gone to a gupta stana> > > 8th house destrying significance of 7th house .> > >> > > And we r in search for the rules ,which i openly admitted ,> > > what i depend is if important pointers are afflicted or not And if dasa> > > is favring for such a problems .> > >> > > I told u abt his sexual preferences ( too mcuh affliction to venus may> > > result is denial or which may change the normal activity to differnt areas> > > -so out of marriage or relation ship with diffrnt persons etc ) And see> > > that i am not sitting with only one chart and studying various effects >And> > > this is the problem with indian ppl which no body knows what is happening> > > actualy and some ppl even if affected dont wanted share any information.> > > And she already passed 3 and 6th Lord jup dasa but jup is exalted and is> > > in upachaya house ,so again showing only mild problems as 6th Lord .IN rahu> > > which behaves> > > like sani and places in maraka from lagna and 8th from moon and in 9th> > > from venus ,might hav given some problems esp in end of dasa .But we need> > > time of marriage also see the dasa advanced from that period can be noted> > > ,Even day of marriage and dasas will show the results that cab happen in> > > marriaed life .> > >> > >> > > Let others also work on it .> > >> > > rgeds sunil nair> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > >> > >> > > , "neelam gupta"> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sunilji, kishoreji,> > > > Since the case is not so strong as to come out in open, there may be> > > milder> > > > signs of violence or aggression by husband.> > > > Though it may not be correct, I figured this out in the lady's chart> > > as> > > > pointers to what we are looking for, pls give your feed back:> > > >> > > > Mars, the 7L is himself marak for the native, sitting in 8H from> > > 7th...> > > > physical & verbal abuse possible> > > >> > > > Moon is in 12H in mar's nakshatra... mental abuse possible> > > >> > > > Ketu is afflicting lagna who is in mar's nakshatra... physical abuse> > > > possible> > > >> > > > Venus is retrograde, in ketu's nakshatra, who is mars himself...again> > > > physical abuse> > > >> > > > regards> > > >> > > > neelam> > > >> > > >> > > > On 21/02/2008, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > Further I think...> > > > > In the case of this couple, only very close people know how he> > > treats his> > > > > wife. Even male chauvinists may not find anything wrong with this.> > > > > We are not sure whether there is physical abuse. I have a strong> > > reason to> > > > > believe there is.> > > > > Can we see any combination to confirm or negate this by our reading?> > > > > Regards> > > > > neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 21/02/2008, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > Since there are marital problems, we will surely be able to see> > > those in> > > > > > the charts. The points here, that all of us would like to> > > understand is:> > > > > > Whether we can point out that differences are because of a certain> > > > > > factor called domestic violence, or> > > > > > -- that the husband treats the wife well but has other> > > relationships;> > > > > > --- that the discord is because they are sexually incompatible;> > > > > > -- that husband is an alcoholic or a drug addict> > > > > > -- that the problem is of inlaws> > > > > > etc.,etc.> > > > > > there can be hundreds of reasons falling under incompatibility.> > > > > >> > > > > > What should we look for in a chart to see if there is a case of> > > domestic> > > > > > violence?> > > > > > A lagna which is afflicted (where and by whom)? .... physical> > > abuse> > > > > > A moon which is afflicted (where and by whom)?.... mental abuse> > > > > > Who seals the marriage (is it the planet in 2nd house which is the> > > 8th> > > > > > of 7H and is the vocal chord of the chart)?> > > > > > Is it also the 6th house which is 12th from 7H and a house of> > > disputes> > > > > > anyways.?> > > > > > just some thoughts....very basic...> > > > > >> > > > > > neelam> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > On 21/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear neelam gupta ji .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > i just made the charts and find that mental comaptialbility is> > > less> > > > > > > .And mans chart venus heavily afflicted .And lady has ketu and> > > rahu axis in> > > > > > > 7th from lagna ,7th from moon has sat and 8th has rahu .Same way> > > from venus> > > > > > > 7th Lord sat gone to 8th and 9th has rahu .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But the dasas r some what favrable to support married life> > > except the> > > > > > > ongoing sat dasa whiich is also a long dasa .But from 1989-1990> > > onwards dasa> > > > > > > chidras also started operating (both charts one dasa ends and> > > other dasa> > > > > > > starts )> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Also male born in vipath thara from wifes moon nakshatra .(3rd> > > in> > > > > > > order )> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > so comaptiability is less and mans chart too much affliction to> > > venus> > > > > > > is may be contributing other factors also .(if u know for sure )> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > also so many planets in 11th house also some times showing> > > multitude> > > > > > > of relations .Rest depends on the grooming and family values .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > venus afflicted can lead to other realtionships also> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I am waiting for others analysis .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji, Kishore ji and all,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am giving below a case of a couple, i know well. Let's see> > > if can> > > > > > > derive> > > > > > > > something from this:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Wife: 7.9.1967/9.40hrs/Rohtak/Haryana> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Husband: 15.8.1964/8.00 hrs/Delhi> > > > > > > > Now let's take Kishore ji's parameters for domestic violence> > > and> > > > > > > apply them> > > > > > > > to the couple . The situation here is as observed by others.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > a. physical violence ..... can't say> > > > > > > > b. Insults before others .... yes> > > > > > > > c. No respect- husband treats the wife as mere servant ... to> > > a> > > > > > > great> > > > > > > > extent> > > > > > > > d. Denying facilities .... no> > > > > > > > e. Psychological war fare.... yes> > > > > > > > f . sexual violence .... can't say> > > > > > > > g. verbal assult .... yes> > > > > > > > h. harassment for favors such as money or a job etc. .... no> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Apparantly the wife has compromised with her fate. She had> > > revolted> > > > > > > once,> > > > > > > > but was suppressed. They have children, good home, all> > > amenities,> > > > > > > social> > > > > > > > standing and respectability.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Let us have the opinion of learned members on this couple.> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > neelam> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > On 20/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dear neelam gupta ji ,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Good post on domestic violence .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But i hav one practical observations against UN report on> > > egypt> > > > > > > .Most of> > > > > > > > > the arab countries the man is paying the dowry (meher) to> > > wife ,so> > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > divorce is pain ful for him as she dont need to pay back> > > this amnt> > > > > > > also and> > > > > > > > > she can retain wat ever he bought in her name according to> > > islamic> > > > > > > law .And> > > > > > > > > practicaly also i seen man is more worried abt the cosmetic> > > bills> > > > > > > of his> > > > > > > > > wife and i hardly find they r over ruling their wifes ( This> > > is> > > > > > > not the same> > > > > > > > > in asiatic or or other afrikan countries were tribal or> > > regional> > > > > > > influnces r> > > > > > > > > diffrnt ) .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is my observation only .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , "neelam> > > gupta"> > > > > > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > > > > I have been raking my database as well as brains to see> > > > > > > something that> > > > > > > > > can> > > > > > > > > > qualify for posting under this thread.> > > > > > > > > > There are hundreds of charts of marital discords and> > > obviously> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > reasons> > > > > > > > > > for discord also include:> > > > > > > > > > a) domestic violence -- wife beating, even husband> > > beating, in> > > > > > > laws> > > > > > > > > getting> > > > > > > > > > violent etc.> > > > > > > > > > b) harassment of wife by husband and its vice versa also> > > on> > > > > > > various> > > > > > > > > > accounts.> > > > > > > > > > Will they not get covered under this??> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > To fine tune our understanding of what we are trying to> > > probe,> > > > > > > let us> > > > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > > what is domestic violence.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Domestic violence can be described as when one adult in a> > > > > > > relationship> > > > > > > > > > misuses power to control another. It is the establishment> > > of> > > > > > > control and> > > > > > > > > > fear in a relationship through violence and other forms of> > > > > > > abuse. The> > > > > > > > > > violence may involve physical abuse, sexual assault and> > > threats.> > > > > > > > > Sometimes> > > > > > > > > > it's more subtle, like making someone feel worthless, not> > > > > > > letting them> > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > any money, or not allowing them to leave the home. Social> > > > > > > isolation and> > > > > > > > > > emotional abuse can have long-lasting effects as well as> > > > > > > physical> > > > > > > > > violence.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Domestic Violence isn't just hitting, or fighting, or an> > > > > > > occasional> > > > > > > > > > argument. It's an abuse of power. The abuser tortures and> > > > > > > controls the> > > > > > > > > > victim by calculated threats, intimidation, and physical> > > > > > > violence.> > > > > > > > > Although> > > > > > > > > > both men and women can be abused, in most cases, the> > > victims are> > > > > > > women.> > > > > > > > > > Children in homes where there is domestic violence are> > > also> > > > > > > abused or> > > > > > > > > > neglected. Although the woman is usually the primary> > > target,> > > > > > > violence is> > > > > > > > > > sometimes directed toward children, and sometimes toward> > > family> > > > > > > members> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > friends.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > According to a UN Report, around two-third of married> > > women in> > > > > > > India are> > > > > > > > > > victims of domestic violence and one incident of violence> > > > > > > translates> > > > > > > > > into> > > > > > > > > > women losing seven working days in the country.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > According to United Nation Population Fund (UNFP) as many> > > as 70> > > > > > > per cent> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > married women in India between the age of 15 and 49 are> > > victims> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > beating,> > > > > > > > > > rape or coerced sex.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rate of domestic violence amongst the highest in Egypt> > > with 94> > > > > > > per cent> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > Zambia with 91 per cent.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Its not that domestic violence only occurs in poor, urban> > > areas.> > > > > > > Women> > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > all cultures, races, occupations, income levels, and ages> > > are> > > > > > > battered -> > > > > > > > > by> > > > > > > > > > husbands, boyfriends, lovers and partners. (Surgeon> > > General> > > > > > > Antonia> > > > > > > > > Novello,> > > > > > > > > > as quoted in Domestic Violence: Battered Women,> > > publication of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > Reference> > > > > > > > > > Department of the Cambridge Public Library, Cambridge, MA)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Approximately one-third of the men counselled (for> > > battering)> > > > > > > were> > > > > > > > > > professional men who are well respected in their jobs and> > > their> > > > > > > > > communities.> > > > > > > > > > these have included doctors, psychologists, lawyers,> > > ministers,> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > business> > > > > > > > > > executives. (For Shelter and Beyond, Massachusetts> > > Coalition of> > > > > > > Battered> > > > > > > > > > Women Service Groups, Boston, MA 1990)> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > U.S. Department of Justice and Violence estimates that> > > there are> > > > > > > 960,000> > > > > > > > > > incidents of violence against a current or former spouse,> > > > > > > boyfriend, or> > > > > > > > > > girlfriend per year to three million women who are> > > physically> > > > > > > abused by> > > > > > > > > > their husband or boyfriend per year.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > I think just saying domestic violence and harassment will> > > > > > > practically> > > > > > > > > cover> > > > > > > > > > the entire population and you'll have to open the closets> > > to get> > > > > > > their> > > > > > > > > birth> > > > > > > > > > data, as most of such cases are obviously not reported.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > We need to define the subject more carefully and try to> > > > > > > establish our> > > > > > > > > > parameters for qualifying under this category. The> > > evidence> > > > > > > should be> > > > > > > > > > conclusive.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > love and regards> > > > > > > > > > neelam> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > On 20/02/2008, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > dear kishore ji .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > if some can post any chart with lil feed back we could> > > hav> > > > > > > better see> > > > > > > > > > > this in lite of this dictums .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > But what is confucing me is UL gets broken after any> > > serious> > > > > > > > > relationships> > > > > > > > > > > ,so again depend s on the sincere feed back from the> > > persons> > > > > > > who r> > > > > > > > > > > consulting u .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > let us wait and see if some one can giv us any charts> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > ,> > > "kishore> > > > > > > patnaik"> > > > > > > > > > > kishorepatnaik09@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > What you share or receive from your spouse is often> > > seen> > > > > > > from 2nd> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > UL-> > > > > > > > > > > > dowry is only one of the things that a girl ends up> > > giving> > > > > > > to her> > > > > > > > > > > husband> > > > > > > > > > > > but sometimes, she may gain more from the husband than> > > what> > > > > > > she has> > > > > > > > > > > given.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, whether dowry is enjoyed by her> > > inlaws> > > > > > > can be> > > > > > > > > seen by> > > > > > > > > > > 3rd> > > > > > > > > > > > from 2nd from UL ie 4th from UL- this particularly> > > shows who> > > > > > > enjoys> > > > > > > > > what> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > given by the native (dowry again forms part of this)-> > > what> > > > > > > if the> > > > > > > > > money> > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > spent on say, the marriage of sister of the husband or> > > on> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > education> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > his brother? This can be read from this particular> > > position.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Well, I am hesitant to add this, but one can also see> > > if the> > > > > > > native> > > > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > > > > an illicit relationship with one of members of the in> > > laws> > > > > > > family,> > > > > > > > > > > though> > > > > > > > > > > > confirmation has to be given by other divisional> > > charts-> > > > > > > with D30> > > > > > > > > often> > > > > > > > > > > seen> > > > > > > > > > > > as a clinching proof of her chastity or fidelity.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Very interestingly, these combinations for a male> > > indicates> > > > > > > that he> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > taking care of the in laws family or alternatively, he> > > is> > > > > > > being> > > > > > > > > > > mistreated> > > > > > > > > > > > by them. The illicit relationship, if any, has to be> > > seen> > > > > > > from 11th> > > > > > > > > from> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > 2nd from UL ie 12th from the UL- which again has to be> > > > > > > confirmed by> > > > > > > > > say,> > > > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > position of Venus.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > I would welcome the members' views on this topic since> > > this> > > > > > > is not> > > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > very delicate topic but also, there is nothing> > > conclusive in> > > > > > > this> > > > > > > > > kind> > > > > > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > > > > things.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Kishore patnaik> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > > > Love is a fruit in season at all times,> > > > > > > > > > > > and within the reach of every hand.> > > > > > > > > > > > ~:~ Mother Theresa ~:~> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> > binode kripalani> > numerologist 9831664581(Kolkata)> > binodeuk > binode_kripalani >> > ------------------------------> > Why delete messages? 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Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Dear Sir,Waiting for all gurujans to guide and help me as life is become hell and there is no peace and I am worried that how will i live with her for life long.Pls helpRegardsJim Posted through Grouply, the better way to access your like this one. Check out Grouply here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Thanks a lot Neelam Ji. Your analysis is perfect. I know my problem but cant help.I am sorry but I dont know astrology. I would be greatful if you can guide me.Request you to please help. Posted through Grouply, the better way to access your like this one. Check out Grouply here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Dear Jim KH ji, This groups mission is to discuss astrology subject and combinations and NOT personal readings..... with regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , " jim kh " <vivluv_2000 wrote: > > Dear Sir, > > Waiting for all gurujans to guide and help me as life is become hell and there is no peace and I am worried that how will i live with her for life long. > > Pls help > > Regards > > Jim > > > > > > ______ > Posted through Grouply, the better way to access your like this one. Check out Grouply at: http://www.grouply.com/?code=post > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2008 Report Share Posted February 21, 2008 Hare ramakrishna dear jim ji without going tru astrologicaly i wanted to tell u one advice .Ur query with similar id and in ur father name another query is doing its round in 2nd consecutiv year in all grps .But u shud think that all astrologers or memebrs here are not married to aishrya rai or susmia sen or who ever ur icon is .Liv life the way it is .U got what u deserve and now u r simply crying over the spilled milk and making ur life miserable . what if she also has diffrnt ideal husband i think u r giving her mental tortures ,try to liv with grace what god demands from u .No body is lucky in every field ,dont u see god has given additional powers for those who r blind or some disformity . if u dont leav it here it self and move forward -no astrologer can help u i made a mistake in allowing ur query and i forget to reply u regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , "jim kh" <vivluv_2000 wrote:>> Dear Sir,> > Waiting for all gurujans to guide and help me as life is> become hell and there is no peace and I am worried that how> will i live with her for life long.> > Pls help> > Regards> > Jim> > > > > > ______> Posted through Grouply, the better way to access your like this one. Check out Grouply at: http://www.grouply.com/?code=post> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Dear All, First of all let me apologize for disturbing the group by asking a question. Please note that my intent was not to ask personal reading but was just intersted in know that why and because of what planetary influenses I am going through all this. Yes I am aware and fully agree that we should live life as we get and I know that as well. I know I need to respect my partner and accept her. Inspite of all that if I am irritated of her perosna and outlook, even if i try hard and then also i get irritated on seeing I thought I would take help from you learned people and if you can conclude and guide me based on astrology. As for my father he also uses my id as he doesnt have an email id. Anyways, I am again sorry for bothering you all. Please block me and dont allow my queries as mistake is already dome once and i would like you all to discuss peacefully without an irritanrt like me. Thanks for your views and feedback. Regards JIM --- Jim <vivluv_2000 wrote: > Dear Guruji, > > I dont know if this is the right forum for me to put > down my thougts but I have been through a similar > marital experience. I got married on June 29th, 2006 > and have been very bad experience right from day 3. > She was not the one I was looking for and there was > no > love and regard and I used to only complain. And > hence > she also became negative and we have been fighting > like dogs intermittently on evry small and big > things. > Sometimes I try to control but again when i see her > negative thoughts start coming as I am not able to > stil digest and accpet het perosnality, attitude, > COMPLEXION and else. > > Please go through our horoscopes and let us know if > there are any pointers. > > Would be greatful if you can help us for future. > > Regards > > Jim > > 10th July 1978 > 18.40 > Maunath Bhanjan ( 25.57N, 83.33E) > > wife > > 7th march 1982 > 9.40 > Kalyan > > > > --- neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > > Dear Sunil ji, > > Thanks for giving us good pointers for this > unhappy > > marital relationship. This > > very well establishes the fact that the lady is > > unhappy with or because of > > her marriage. Rahu/ketu axis in 2/8 from moon may > > mean verbal discords, > > disputes, sickness and threatened marriage. > > The couple got married on 10.2.1991 in the evening > > in Delhi. > > I have least doubts about your analysis and you've > > given us so many points > > in no time. > > As you also said, we are looking for rules that > > could tell us whether their > > is abuse in a relationship? If yes, what type? > > We're just brainstorming to see which of the > factors > > can conclusively say > > that there is domestic violence or abuse. > > Not getting along, or unhappy marriage may not be > a > > result of abuse. > > In this case, the couple's disregard for one > another > > doesn't surface much > > and only those who know the couple very very > closely > > have seen the > > bitterness in wife. The wife was told by her > > relatives that she should > > compromise as men are like that only and its not a > > big problem as she had > > all the amenities for good living and children of > > course. Husband is well > > known in social circles. > > > > We may try to see the problem in another manner. > Let > > me give a case of > > another couple, also happen to be closely known. > > Wife: 28.9.1960/2.00 hrs/Kota > > Husband: 22.6.1958/5.40hrs/Delhi > > Both husband and wife are reputed doctors and have > > had marital problems ever > > since they got married. > > Can we ascertain the cause of discord? Is it > > domestic violence? > > > > The similarity or differences between the two > cases > > might lead us > > somewhere... > > > > Lets see what others have to say. So far we two > are > > the ones putting our > > heads into it.... > > > > thanks and best regards > > neelam > > > > > > > > > > On 21/02/2008, sunil nair > > <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ji , > > > > > > dear neelam gupta ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > I already given pointer s for unhappy relation > > ships >The strongest sign > > > is moon and from moon 7th has sat R and its > > aspecting on 4th from moon > > > (house of happiness ).Rahu ketu axis is in 2/8 > > from from .More over moon is > > > karaka for mind . > > > > > > > > > > > > from venus karaka for married life 7th Lord has > > gone to a gupta stana 8th > > > house destrying significance of 7th house . > > > > > > > > > > > > And we r in search for the rules ,which i > openly > > admitted , > > > > > > what i depend is if important pointers are > > afflicted or not And if dasa is > > > favring for such a problems . > > > > > > > > > > > > I told u abt his sexual preferences ( too mcuh > > affliction to venus may > > > result is denial or which may change the normal > > activity to differnt areas > > > -so out of marriage or relation ship with > diffrnt > > persons etc ) And see > > > that i am not sitting with only one chart and > > studying various effects >And > > > this is the problem with indian ppl which no > body > > knows what is happening > > > actualy and some ppl even if affected dont > wanted > > share any information. > > > > > > And she already passed 3 and 6th Lord jup dasa > but > > jup is exalted and is > > > in upachaya house ,so again showing only mild > > problems as 6th Lord .IN rahu > > > which behaves > > > > > > like sani and places in maraka from lagna and > 8th > > from moon and in 9th > > > from venus ,might hav given some problems esp in > > end of dasa .But we need > > > time of marriage also see the dasa advanced from > > that period can be noted > > > ,Even day of marriage and dasas will show the > > results that cab happen in > > > marriaed life . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let others also work on it . > > > > > > > > > > > > rgeds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > " neelam gupta " > > > <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji, kishoreji, > > > > Since the case is not so strong as to come out > > in open, there may be > > > milder > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. 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Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Dear Mr. Kripalani, I am not clear on which point you wish further elobration. Kindly advise , I will be to happy to do it. Regards, G.K..GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 dear vivek/jim, I have also seen ur chart and given my analysis and advice. I have suggested that in weekends both of u shud go to a hill town preferably where there is a temple and pray to god for a happy marital life. If not in weekends at least once in a month u shud be away with ur wife so that both of u understand each other and try to resolve any misconceptions. Instead u have been sending repeated queries to various astro sites. Please note astrologers have their limitations. they can give u the necessary inputs and how u use it, will ultimately give u the desired result. Now in addition u have also lost ur mother, my heartfelt condolonces to u and ur family members. from now on change ur outlook towards ur wife. If need be both can visit a marriage counsellor to sort our u problems. Email media cannot solve ur problems or ur mind. good luck, k.gopu ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Thanks for your reply sir. I have understood your point. I wil try and implement from today itself. I am sorry for behaving abnormally and always trying to get the perfect answer through various forums. I think its human psychology that one always looks for an aswer which suits him or her but thats not the truth. I know life is challenging and has its own course and I need to handle these challenges myself instead of writing and thinking that help will come from all this. In Life we need to learn to accpet things instead of cribbing. I have just one question with all leaned people here. I have not been able to find an aswer for the same. - If everything is destiny what role does mind and decision making play. If you take my example I did arranged marriage and decided on myself. Now when I look back then a lot of times I think why didnt follw the right decision making process. May be I should have taken more time before deciding. Or my be met her twice. I took decision in 2 hours. You will not believe I am a firm believer in astrolgy and always decided i will marry a girl with whom my kundli will match and with her my kundli was not matching still I said yes immediately. I always wanted a fair girl and I was very very clear. still when I took decision in my first meeting I think I did not try to check on it much. Yes There were circumstances like mother was not well and father was also pushing that this is right match but as such there was no pressure. I am just trying to make you aware of the circumstances. if I made a bad decision or destiny has a own role to play? whats the answer. Pls guide me as this will help me in future as well. I hope you will take my question positively. Regards , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > dear vivek/jim, > I have also seen ur chart and given my analysis and > advice. I have suggested that in weekends both of u > shud go to a hill town preferably where there is a > temple and pray to god for a happy marital life. If > not in weekends at least once in a month u shud be > away with ur wife so that both of u understand each > other and try to resolve any misconceptions. Instead u > have been sending repeated queries to various astro > sites. Please note astrologers have their limitations. > they can give u the necessary inputs and how u use it, > will ultimately give u the desired result. Now in > addition u have also lost ur mother, my heartfelt > condolonces to u and ur family members. > from now on change ur outlook towards ur wife. If need > be both can visit a marriage counsellor to sort our u > problems. Email media cannot solve ur problems or ur > mind. > > good luck, > k.gopu > > > > > > ____________________ ______________ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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