Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)

February 7, 2008

Dear Maligereji,

The native of the horoscope in question is surviving on account of the strong position of both Jup. and Venus in D- 9.

Dasa of Jupiter was over in 1968 and is the dispositer of Mandi and Ketu and hemmed by Saturn and Rahu.

Saturn Dasa had activated his 6H , as it is placed in 2H.. Three planets are occupying Badhak house.

2H,6H,8H,and 12H are occupied by malefics,

In such situation the help of Jupiter is not visible and clouded by other evil yogas.

Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 Sent: Thursday, 7 February, 2008 7:42:05 PM Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)

dear maligerejiplease furnish more details of this native like his education, employment, marital life, children and financial status, living in rented or own home etc.. so that we can draw some inference as to whether or why jupiter in lagna failed to help this native.with best wishes and blessingspandit arjunancient_indian_ astrology, "M.A" <maligere@.. .> wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,pundit ji > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in lagna, i have not seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this thread for this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties in life, his health is also nothing to boast about.> " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the

native an attractive personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and espectable name" > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen in this persons life> > Name : Sreenivas> Natal Chart> September 9, 1958> Time: 10:10:00 am> Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> Place: 76 E 05' 00", 13 N 00' 00"> Hassan, India> Altitude: 0.00 meters> Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana> Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)> Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)> Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)> Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)> Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)> Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)> Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)> Sunrise: 6:18:07 am> Sunset: 6:28:06 pm> Janma Ghatis: 9.6618> Ayanamsa:

23-16-55.29> Sidereal Time: 8:55:15> > Thanx n' rgds> Maligere> > sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > Hare rama krishna ,> dear pundit ji ,> > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -laksham dosham guru hanti .> > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted to know more abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool trikon sign also 8th house .> > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar ji is taurus lagna ..> > > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "panditarjun2004" <panditarjun2004@ >

wrote:> >> > dear vijayji> > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the natives with > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative and appreciated.> > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people with jupiter in > > lagna are as follows:> > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar> > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV> > 3. tata group founder JRD tata> > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao> > 5.. Sri Aurobindo> > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati> > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi> > 8. emperor akbar> > 9. emperor aurangazeb> > 10. tennis star sania mirza> > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime minsiters, > > business tycoons, actors,

singers, sportspersons and even saints.> > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an attractive > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and respectable > > name.> > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if not all > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna by sitting in > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 houses (one quadrant > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.> > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails earlier, jupiter is > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all the three > > houses he aspect.> > > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by lord shiva to jupiter > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.> > > > an axiom says guru

in kendra negates one lakh doshams.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Vijay" > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but its really great > > to > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru most of them and > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files section of this > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding Jupiter in Lagna I > > > searched thru some of my database and found some interesting cases. > > > Here, I

shall give the details of their birth and their > > > characteristics rather than important events in their life, because > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to do with the > > > events in their lives. For the events in their lives we have to > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the scope of the > > present > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me about their > > characters.> > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and political problems > > > in job):> > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E, 13.40.N.> > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer and very dynamic > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just honest (which is > > why > > > he was

transferred every 2 years by political persons and even got > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how to control > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent but at the same > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th house). He said he > > is > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and he is also not > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a primary school > > teacher > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He seems to be > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was workoholic he had health > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published a poetry book > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was astonished, even I was > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really astonishing, very

> > clear > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel he is really > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.> > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.> > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a professional > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will, seeing not only > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But character wise, > > he > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since there isnt any > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he is very > > righteous, > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents said indeed he was > > a > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much respects all > > > traditions. Since he was also running

Jupiter dasha, he didnt have > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays tabla at > > various > > > competitions.> > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of Legislative > > > Council),> > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), but my mother > > said > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and he went to > > politics > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by public to be > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely opposite, that he > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity works, and sincere to > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into tears. He said > > he > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was very

sincere. He > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real estate business and > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people thought he made all > > > that money in politics since he was also uneducated. He is not > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone and also does > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But since Moon is in > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech and has good > > mind. > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because Mars in own house > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his enemies in real-> > > estate business with an iron hand. But its interesting to see that > > he > > > is not well educated.> > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in

Lagna:> > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet and dignified > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned person.> > > b. Respects traditions and elders.> > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education though).> > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, speech, poetry, etc), > > > though not like venus.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Vijay.> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in Lagna. The> > > >

lawyers/thread- owners for this thread are Pt. Arjun ji and > > Srinivas > > > ji. > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of Jupiter and its > > power > > > to> > > > produce identifiable results when placed in Lagna. Try to argue > > > against> > > > him or in support of them - validate the results with your own or > > > with> > > > the charts known to you. I will start the discussion with minimum > > > inputs> > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-> > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would be versatile > > in> > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches such as - > > Vyakarana,> > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in Cancer the said > > results> > >

> will happen for sure.> > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have good longevity > > > and> > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.> > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic planets or in> > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he would be > > > interested in> > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity - middle age, too > > much> > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his relatives or the> > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words against good > > > people,> > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.> > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. Hurah, to the > > > thread of> > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > >

> Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > >> >> > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.>

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Dear Shreenadhji,Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but even after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year length, I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and on Oct 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and after that it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to end for all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace she was brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now. My life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha during that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower portion of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from 1968 to 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero income, living in a small house, father working day and night and cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-laws, had abortion,

etc). 1986 we shifted to a good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, father had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, etc (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a very good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is enjoying life again. DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are bad (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results to the native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed well and has power.Regards,Vijay.Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Vijay ji, I will clarify it further - - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates head of the native Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may give disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially Ketu) it could even give a minor heart attack in that period. Therefore considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and the repeated pointers Mars provides

towards head - it is clear that the said period should be Ju/Ma. And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due to the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples that helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year length we use in a practical perspective. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji) Dear Vijay ji,==>> My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had brain-haemorrhage in > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi <== This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries (the head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara; please use

CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana year and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also please inform where Mars is placed in the chart. Love and regards,Sreenadh> > , Vijayanarasimha H Pakka> hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun> ji, Sreenivas ji)> Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or obvious) how> malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart as benefic> jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get mixed results > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more discussions we can> have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is the one which> truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. I would rather> say from experience that, if for

example the native has some bad> placements of other planets but has a good placement and strength of> jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges victorious. This> should be the approach a practical astrologer should take while> predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim that a good> jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My mother has> jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had> brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter was in ghataka> sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she recovered> fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular tablets) now.> So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other planets,> especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final victory is to> the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna thread, it> seems a big job if we start considering the

effects of jupiter in each> lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in lagna. Then we get> innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. Jupiter in Aries> lagna, uninfluenced> 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. Jupiter in Aries> lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind the strength> and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I can say it> will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases Anyway, as a> practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with jupiter's> effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an important footnote to> be careful to look out for influences of other planets and placement of> lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / or any other> member throw some light (along with any verses) on jupiter's effects in> various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when influenced by

other> planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it difficult to> estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my lagna has> venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>> > Hare ramakrishna ,> > dear maligere ji ,> >> > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu ( in north its> knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to single jup in> lagna how is it possible .> >> > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the houses involved> can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u hav to giv us> feed back ) .> >> > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi balavasta or> atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak house then merc (> 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th dasa ( another> maraka place ) ,>

>> > But i think he must hav born in good family ??> >> > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .> >> > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other influnces r there .> >> > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem maha laxmai namah .> >> >> > , "M.A" maligere@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji> > >> > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in lagna, i have not> seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this thread for> this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties in life, his> health is also nothing to boast about.> > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an attractive> personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and

espectable> name"> > >> > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen in this> persons life> > >> > > Name : Sreenivas> > > Natal Chart> > > September 9, 1958> > > Time: 10:10:00 am> > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > Place: 76 E 05' 00", 13 N 00' 00"> > > Hassan, India> > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana> > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)> > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)> > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)> > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)> > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)> > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)> > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)> > >

Sunrise: 6:18:07 am> > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm> > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618> > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29> > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15> > >> > > Thanx n' rgds> > > Maligere> > >> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > dear pundit ji ,> > >> > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -laksham dosham> guru hanti .> > >> > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted to know more> abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool trikon sign> also 8th house .> > >> > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar ji is taurus> lagna .> > >> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > > om shreem mahalaxmai

namah> > >> > >> > > , "panditarjun2004"> panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > >> > > > dear vijayji> > > >> > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the natives with> > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative and> appreciated.> > > >> > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people with jupiter> in> > > > lagna are as follows:> > > >> > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar> > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV> > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata> > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao> > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo> > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra

saraswati> > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi> > > > 8. emperor akbar> > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb> > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza> > > >> > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime minsiters,> > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and even saints.> > > >> > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an attractive> > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and> respectable> > > > name.> > > >> > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if not all> > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna by sitting> in> > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 houses (one> quadrant> > > > and two

trines) is auspicious for the native.> > > >> > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails earlier, jupiter> is> > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all the three> > > > houses he aspect.> > > >> > > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by lord shiva to jupiter> > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.> > > >> > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams.> > > >> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > >> > > >> > > > , "Vijay"> > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > >> > > >

> Its been long time since I visited the group, but its really> great> > > > to> > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru most of them> and> > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files section of this> > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding Jupiter in Lagna I> > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some interesting> cases.> > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and their> > > > > characteristics rather than important events in their life,> because> > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to do with the> > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their lives we have to> > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the scope of the> > > >

present> > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me about their> > > > characters.> > > > >> > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and political> problems> > > > > in job):> > > > >> > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E, 13.40.N.> > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer and very> dynamic> > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just honest (which is> > > > why> > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political persons and even> got> > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how to control> > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent but at the> same> > > > > time he seemed

dominating (because Mars in 7th house). He said> he> > > > is> > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and he is also> not> > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a primary school> > > > teacher> > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He seems to be> > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was workoholic he had> health> > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published a poetry> book> > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was astonished, even I> was> > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really astonishing, very> > > > clear> > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel he is really> > > > > intelligent and a very dignified

person.> > > > >> > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.> > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a> professional> > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will, seeing not> only> > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But character> wise,> > > > he> > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since there isnt> any> > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he is very> > > > righteous,> > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents said indeed he> was> > > > a> > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much respects all> > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter dasha, he didnt>

have> > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays tabla at> > > > various> > > > > competitions.> > > > >> > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of Legislative> > > > > Council),> > > > >> > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), but my mother> > > > said> > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and he went to> > > > politics> > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by public to be> > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely opposite, that> he> > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity works, and sincere> to> > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into tears.

He> said> > > > he> > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was very sincere.> He> > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real estate business> and> > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people thought he made> all> > > > > that money in politics since he was also uneducated. He is not> > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone and also does> > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But since Moon is in> > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech and has good> > > > mind.> > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because Mars in own> house> > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his enemies in> real-> > > > >

estate business with an iron hand. But its interesting to see> that> > > > he> > > > > is not well educated.> > > > >> > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:> > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet and> dignified> > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned person.> > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.> > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education though).> > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, speech, poetry,> etc),> > > > > though not like venus.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Vijay.> > > > >> > > > > , "Sreenadh">

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in Lagna. The> > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. Arjun ji and> > > > Srinivas> > > > > ji.> > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of Jupiter and its> > > > power> > > > > to> > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in Lagna. Try to> argue> > > > > against> > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results with your own> or> > > > > with> > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the discussion with> minimum> > > > > inputs> > > > > >

(fro Bhrigu sutra)-> > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would be versatile> > > > in> > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches such as -> > > > Vyakarana,> > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in Cancer the said> > > > results> > > > > > will happen for sure.> > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have good longevity> > > > > and> > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.> > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic planets or in> > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he would be> > > > > interested in> > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity - middle age,>

too> > > > much> > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his relatives or> the> > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words against good> > > > > people,> > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.> > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. Hurah, to the> > > > > thread of> > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > Search.> > >>

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Hare rama krishna

dear su .

yes this chart is having jup in lagna but with rahu .and born in sun dasa any good dasa favrable to lagna is yet to happen .

Now jupiter dasa running .

did he ( i assume its male ) any problems for kids ( i mean during pregnancy of wife )

Karaka venus and lord mars ( 7th Lord ) might hav giiven normal married life tho may be some problems .

Now jup running how is his profession and how is his properties ,any thing happened on advent of jup dasa ,tho now jup swa apahara ( own sub )is running

also tell me abt the status of family when he born ,did they come up or go down after birth of the nativ .

also tell me abt the status of father of native .if nativ is male tell me abt the wife of nativ .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "vreality_au" <reality_v wrote:>> Dear Sunilji> > Here's a chart with Taurus lagna with guru in lagna but conj > Rahu.> > july 14 1965> Newcastle, australia> 3.10 am> > Lagna 5 Ta 52> > Native has v ordinary life, but happily married inspite of ra/ke in > 1/7 axis. 2 children > > rgds> Su> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear pundit ji ,> > > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -laksham > dosham> > guru hanti .> > > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted to know > more abt> > taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool trikon sign > also> > 8th house .> > > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar ji is taurus> > lagna .> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004"> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:> > >> > > dear vijayji> > >> > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the natives with> > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative and > appreciated.> > >> > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people with jupiter > in> > > lagna are as follows:> > >> > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar> > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV> > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata> > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao> > > 5. Sri Aurobindo> > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati> > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi> > > 8. emperor akbar> > > 9. emperor aurangazeb> > > 10. tennis star sania mirza> > >> > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime minsiters,> > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and even saints.> > >> > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an attractive> > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and > respectable> > > name.> > >> > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if not all> > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna by sitting > in> > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 houses (one > quadrant> > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.> > >> > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails earlier, jupiter > is> > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all the three> > > houses he aspect.> > >> > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by lord shiva to jupiter> > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.> > >> > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams.> > >> > > with best wishes and blessings> > > pandit arjun> > >> > >> > > , "Vijay"> > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > >> > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but its really > great> > > to> > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru most of them > and> > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files section of this> > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding Jupiter in Lagna I> > > > searched thru some of my database and found some interesting > cases.> > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and their> > > > characteristics rather than important events in their life, > because> > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to do with the> > > > events in their lives. For the events in their lives we have to> > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the scope of the> > > present> > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me about their> > > characters.> > > >> > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and political > problems> > > > in job):> > > >> > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E, 13.40.N.> > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer and very > dynamic> > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just honest (which is> > > why> > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political persons and even > got> > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how to control> > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent but at the > same> > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th house). He said > he> > > is> > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and he is also > not> > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a primary school> > > teacher> > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He seems to be> > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was workoholic he had > health> > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published a poetry > book> > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was astonished, even I > was> > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really astonishing, very> > > clear> > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel he is really> > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.> > > >> > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.> > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a > professional> > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will, seeing not > only> > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But character > wise,> > > he> > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since there isnt > any> > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he is very> > > righteous,> > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents said indeed he > was> > > a> > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much respects all> > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter dasha, he didnt > have> > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays tabla at> > > various> > > > competitions.> > > >> > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of Legislative> > > > Council),> > > >> > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), but my mother> > > said> > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and he went to> > > politics> > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by public to be> > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely opposite, > that he> > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity works, and > sincere to> > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into tears. He > said> > > he> > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was very sincere. > He> > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real estate business > and> > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people thought he made > all> > > > that money in politics since he was also uneducated. He is not> > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone and also does> > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But since Moon is in> > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech and has good> > > mind.> > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because Mars in own > house> > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his enemies in > real-> > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its interesting to see > that> > > he> > > > is not well educated.> > > >> > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:> > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet and > dignified> > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned person.> > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.> > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education though).> > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, speech, poetry, > etc),> > > > though not like venus.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay.> > > >> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in Lagna. The> > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. Arjun ji and> > > Srinivas> > > > ji.> > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of Jupiter and its> > > power> > > > to> > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in Lagna. Try to > argue> > > > against> > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results with your > own or> > > > with> > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the discussion with > minimum> > > > inputs> > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-> > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would be versatile> > > in> > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches such as -> > > Vyakarana,> > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in Cancer the said> > > results> > > > > will happen for sure.> > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have good longevity> > > > and> > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.> > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic planets or in> > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he would be> > > > interested in> > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity - middle age, > too> > > much> > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his relatives or > the> > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words against good> > > > people,> > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.> > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. Hurah, to the> > > > thread of> > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

February 7, 2008

Namaste,

My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was born on

2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your mother,, I

thought I was seeing double..

warmest regards

Sheevani

, Vijayanarasimha H

Pakka <hpvijaynarasimha wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadhji,

>

> Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but even

after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year length,

I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and on Oct

8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and after that

it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to end for

all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace she was

brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now. My

life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha during

that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower portion

of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were

expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from 1968 to

1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero

income, living in a small house, father working day and night and

cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-laws,

had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a

> good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, father

had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, etc

(she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a very

good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is enjoying

life again.

> DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.

>

> The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are bad

(like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results to the

native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed well and

has power.

>

> Regards,

> Vijay.

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear Vijay ji,

> I will clarify it further -

> - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna

> - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries

> - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates

head of the native

> Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may give

disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially Ketu)

it could even give a minor heart attack in that period. Therefore

considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and the

repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear that the

said period should be Ju/Ma.

> And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due to

the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples that

helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year length we

use in a practical perspective.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Sreenadh "

<sreesog@> wrote:

> Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)

>

> Dear Vijay ji,

> ==>

> > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she

had brain-haemorrhage in

> > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi

> <==

> This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries (the

head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara; please

use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana year

and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also

please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

> >

> > , Vijayanarasimha

H Pakka

> > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt.

Arjun

> > ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or obvious) how

> > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart as

benefic

> > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get mixed

results

> > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more discussions

we can

> > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is the one

which

> > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. I would

rather

> > say from experience that, if for example the native has some bad

> > placements of other planets but has a good placement and strength

of

> > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges victorious.

This

> > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take while

> > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim that a

good

> > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My mother

has

> > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had

> > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter was in

ghataka

> > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she recovered

> > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular tablets)

now.

> > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other

planets,

> > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final victory

is to

> > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna thread, it

> > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of jupiter in

each

> > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in lagna. Then

we get

> > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. Jupiter in

Aries

> > lagna, uninfluenced

> > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. Jupiter in

Aries

> > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind the

strength

> > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I can say

it

> > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases Anyway, as a

> > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with

jupiter's

> > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an important

footnote to

> > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and

placement of

> > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / or any

other

> > member throw some light (along with any verses) on jupiter's

effects in

> > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when influenced by

other

> > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it difficult

to

> > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my lagna

has

> > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>

> > > Hare ramakrishna ,

> > > dear maligere ji ,

> > >

> > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu ( in

north its

> > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to single jup

in

> > lagna how is it possible .

> > >

> > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the houses

involved

> > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u hav to

giv us

> > feed back ) .

> > >

> > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi

balavasta or

> > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak house then

merc (

> > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th dasa (

another

> > maraka place ) ,

> > >

> > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??

> > >

> > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .

> > >

> > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other influnces r

there .

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .

> > >

> > > , " M.A " maligere@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji

> > > >

> > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in lagna, i

have not

> > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this

thread for

> > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties in

life, his

> > health is also nothing to boast about.

> > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an

attractive

> > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and

espectable

> > name "

> > > >

> > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen in this

> > persons life

> > > >

> > > > Name : Sreenivas

> > > > Natal Chart

> > > > September 9, 1958

> > > > Time: 10:10:00 am

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00 " , 13 N 00' 00 "

> > > > Hassan, India

> > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana

> > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)

> > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)

> > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)

> > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)

> > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)

> > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)

> > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)

> > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)

> > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am

> > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm

> > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618

> > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29

> > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15

> > > >

> > > > Thanx n' rgds

> > > > Maligere

> > > >

> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > > > dear pundit ji ,

> > > >

> > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -laksham

dosham

> > guru hanti .

> > > >

> > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted to

know more

> > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool

trikon sign

> > also 8th house .

> > > >

> > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar ji is

taurus

> > lagna .

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > >

> > > > --- In

, " panditarjun2004 "

> > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear vijayji

> > > > >

> > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the natives

with

> > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative and

> > appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people with

jupiter

> > in

> > > > > lagna are as follows:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar

> > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV

> > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata

> > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao

> > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo

> > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati

> > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi

> > > > > 8. emperor akbar

> > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb

> > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza

> > > > >

> > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime

minsiters,

> > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and even

saints.

> > > > >

> > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an

attractive

> > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and

> > respectable

> > > > > name.

> > > > >

> > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if not all

> > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna by

sitting

> > in

> > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 houses (one

> > quadrant

> > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.

> > > > >

> > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails earlier,

jupiter

> > is

> > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all the

three

> > > > > houses he aspect.

> > > > >

> > > > > the title " jeeva " or enlivener is granted by lord shiva to

jupiter

> > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Vijay "

> > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but its

really

> > great

> > > > > to

> > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru most of

them

> > and

> > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files section

of this

> > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding Jupiter in

Lagna I

> > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some

interesting

> > cases.

> > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and their

> > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in their

life,

> > because

> > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to do

with the

> > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their lives we

have to

> > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the scope of

the

> > > > > present

> > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me about their

> > > > > characters.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and political

> > problems

> > > > > > in job):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E,

13.40.N.

> > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer and very

> > dynamic

> > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just honest

(which is

> > > > > why

> > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political persons and

even

> > got

> > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how to

control

> > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent but

at the

> > same

> > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th house). He

said

> > he

> > > > > is

> > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and he is

also

> > not

> > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a primary

school

> > > > > teacher

> > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He seems to

be

> > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was workoholic he

had

> > health

> > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published a

poetry

> > book

> > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was astonished,

even I

> > was

> > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really

astonishing, very

> > > > > clear

> > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel he is

really

> > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.

> > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a

> > professional

> > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will, seeing

not

> > only

> > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But

character

> > wise,

> > > > > he

> > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since there

isnt

> > any

> > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he is very

> > > > > righteous,

> > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents said

indeed he

> > was

> > > > > a

> > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much respects all

> > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter dasha, he

didnt

> > have

> > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays

tabla at

> > > > > various

> > > > > > competitions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of

Legislative

> > > > > > Council),

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), but my

mother

> > > > > said

> > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and he went

to

> > > > > politics

> > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by public

to be

> > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely

opposite, that

> > he

> > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity works, and

sincere

> > to

> > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into

tears. He

> > said

> > > > > he

> > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was very

sincere.

> > He

> > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real estate

business

> > and

> > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people thought

he made

> > all

> > > > > > that money in politics since he was also uneducated. He

is not

> > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone and

also does

> > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But since

Moon is in

> > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech and

has good

> > > > > mind.

> > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because Mars in

own

> > house

> > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his

enemies in

> > real-

> > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its interesting to

see

> > that

> > > > > he

> > > > > > is not well educated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:

> > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet and

> > dignified

> > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned person.

> > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.

> > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education though).

> > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, speech,

poetry,

> > etc),

> > > > > > though not like venus.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Vijay.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in

Lagna. The

> > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. Arjun ji

and

> > > > > Srinivas

> > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of Jupiter

and its

> > > > > power

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in Lagna. Try

to

> > argue

> > > > > > against

> > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results with

your own

> > or

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the discussion

with

> > minimum

> > > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-

> > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would be

versatile

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches such as -

> > > > > Vyakarana,

> > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in Cancer the

said

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > will happen for sure.

> > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have good

longevity

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.

> > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic planets or

in

> > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he would

be

> > > > > > interested in

> > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity - middle

age,

> > too

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his

relatives or

> > the

> > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words

against good

> > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.

> > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. Hurah,

to the

> > > > > > thread of

> > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji.

> > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

> > Search.

> > > >

> > >

> > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

Mobile. Try

> > it now.

> > >

> >

> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.

Try it now.

>

February 7, 2008

Hare rama krishna ,

dear shivani ji ,

can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known details to the grp .

Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh patra principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a feamale and place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know how and what realy happened .

I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film producer and business man from south and other is a unmarried very beutiful delhi girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to know when she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some relativ to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un successful lov marriage and divorce .

actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in daily entry books .

so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and comparisons if possible .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "sheevani147" <sheevani147 wrote:>> Namaste,> > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was born on > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your mother,, I > thought I was seeing double..> > warmest regards> Sheevani> > , Vijayanarasimha H > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> >> > Dear Shreenadhji,> > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but even > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year length, > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and on Oct > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and after that > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to end for > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace she was > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now. My > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha during > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower portion > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from 1968 to > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero > income, living in a small house, father working day and night and > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-laws, > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a> > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, father > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, etc > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a very > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is enjoying > life again. > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.> > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are bad > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results to the > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed well and > has power.> > > > Regards,> > Vijay.> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > Dear Vijay ji,> > I will clarify it further - > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna> > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries> > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates > head of the native> > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may give > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially Ketu) > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period. Therefore > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and the > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear that the > said period should be Ju/Ma. > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due to > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples that > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year length we > use in a practical perspective. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "Sreenadh" > <sreesog@> wrote:> > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji) > > > > Dear Vijay ji,> > ==>> > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she > had brain-haemorrhage in > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi > > <==> > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries (the > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara; please > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana year > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > > > , Vijayanarasimha > H Pakka> > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. > Arjun> > > ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or obvious) how> > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart as > benefic> > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get mixed > results > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more discussions > we can> > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is the one > which> > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. I would > rather> > > say from experience that, if for example the native has some bad> > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and strength > of> > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges victorious. > This> > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take while> > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim that a > good> > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My mother > has> > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had> > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter was in > ghataka> > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she recovered> > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular tablets) > now.> > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other > planets,> > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final victory > is to> > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna thread, it> > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of jupiter in > each> > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in lagna. Then > we get> > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. Jupiter in > Aries> > > lagna, uninfluenced> > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. Jupiter in > Aries> > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind the > strength> > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I can say > it> > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases Anyway, as a> > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with > jupiter's> > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an important > footnote to> > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and > placement of> > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / or any > other> > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on jupiter's > effects in> > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when influenced by > other> > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it difficult > to> > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my lagna > has> > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>> > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > dear maligere ji ,> > > >> > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu ( in > north its> > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to single jup > in> > > lagna how is it possible .> > > >> > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the houses > involved> > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u hav to > giv us> > > feed back ) .> > > >> > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi > balavasta or> > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak house then > merc (> > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th dasa ( > another> > > maraka place ) ,> > > >> > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??> > > >> > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .> > > >> > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other influnces r > there .> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .> > > >> > > >> > > > , "M.A" maligere@> > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji> > > > >> > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in lagna, i > have not> > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this > thread for> > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties in > life, his> > > health is also nothing to boast about.> > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an > attractive> > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and > espectable> > > name"> > > > >> > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen in this> > > persons life> > > > >> > > > > Name : Sreenivas> > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > September 9, 1958> > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am> > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00", 13 N 00' 00"> > > > > Hassan, India> > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana> > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)> > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)> > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)> > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)> > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)> > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)> > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)> > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am> > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm> > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618> > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29> > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15> > > > >> > > > > Thanx n' rgds> > > > > Maligere> > > > >> > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > > dear pundit ji ,> > > > >> > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -laksham > dosham> > > guru hanti .> > > > >> > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted to > know more> > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool > trikon sign> > > also 8th house .> > > > >> > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar ji is > taurus> > > lagna .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > dear vijayji> > > > > >> > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the natives > with> > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative and> > > appreciated.> > > > > >> > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people with > jupiter> > > in> > > > > > lagna are as follows:> > > > > >> > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar> > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV> > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata> > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao> > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo> > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati> > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi> > > > > > 8. emperor akbar> > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb> > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza> > > > > >> > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime > minsiters,> > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and even > saints.> > > > > >> > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an > attractive> > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and> > > respectable> > > > > > name.> > > > > >> > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if not all> > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna by > sitting> > > in> > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 houses (one> > > quadrant> > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.> > > > > >> > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails earlier, > jupiter> > > is> > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all the > three> > > > > > houses he aspect.> > > > > >> > > > > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by lord shiva to > jupiter> > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.> > > > > >> > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams.> > > > > >> > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Vijay"> > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but its > really> > > great> > > > > > to> > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru most of > them> > > and> > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files section > of this> > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding Jupiter in > Lagna I> > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some > interesting> > > cases.> > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and their> > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in their > life,> > > because> > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to do > with the> > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their lives we > have to> > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the scope of > the> > > > > > present> > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me about their> > > > > > characters.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and political> > > problems> > > > > > > in job):> > > > > > >> > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E, > 13.40.N.> > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer and very> > > dynamic> > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just honest > (which is> > > > > > why> > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political persons and > even> > > got> > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how to > control> > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent but > at the> > > same> > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th house). He > said> > > he> > > > > > is> > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and he is > also> > > not> > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a primary > school> > > > > > teacher> > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He seems to > be> > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was workoholic he > had> > > health> > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published a > poetry> > > book> > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was astonished, > even I> > > was> > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really > astonishing, very> > > > > > clear> > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel he is > really> > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.> > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a> > > professional> > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will, seeing > not> > > only> > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But > character> > > wise,> > > > > > he> > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since there > isnt> > > any> > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he is very> > > > > > righteous,> > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents said > indeed he> > > was> > > > > > a> > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much respects all> > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter dasha, he > didnt> > > have> > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays > tabla at> > > > > > various> > > > > > > competitions.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of > Legislative> > > > > > > Council),> > > > > > >> > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), but my > mother> > > > > > said> > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and he went > to> > > > > > politics> > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by public > to be> > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely > opposite, that> > > he> > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity works, and > sincere> > > to> > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into > tears. He> > > said> > > > > > he> > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was very > sincere.> > > He> > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real estate > business> > > and> > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people thought > he made> > > all> > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also uneducated. He > is not> > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone and > also does> > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But since > Moon is in> > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech and > has good> > > > > > mind.> > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because Mars in > own> > > house> > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his > enemies in> > > real-> > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its interesting to > see> > > that> > > > > > he> > > > > > > is not well educated.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:> > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet and> > > dignified> > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned person.> > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.> > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education though).> > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, speech, > poetry,> > > etc),> > > > > > > though not like venus.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > Vijay.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in > Lagna. The> > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. Arjun ji > and> > > > > > Srinivas> > > > > > > ji.> > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of Jupiter > and its> > > > > > power> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in Lagna. Try > to> > > argue> > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results with > your own> > > or> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the discussion > with> > > minimum> > > > > > > inputs> > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-> > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would be > versatile> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches such as -> > > > > > Vyakarana,> > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in Cancer the > said> > > > > > results> > > > > > > > will happen for sure.> > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have good > longevity> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.> > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic planets or > in> > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he would > be> > > > > > > interested in> > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity - middle > age,> > > too> > > > > > much> > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his > relatives or> > > the> > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words > against good> > > > > > > people,> > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.> > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. Hurah, > to the> > > > > > > thread of> > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > > > Search.> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. Try> > > it now.> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now.> >>

February 7, 2008

Dear Sunil ji.

Namaste.

Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events in

his life..

Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,

time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)

POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!

Lagna is cancer..

He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very

intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which

subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really

very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken and

written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.

After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in

1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in

rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams but

didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had

lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered money

and had health issues..

Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got

married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in sucession

due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..

In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989.

Started his baristership training but did not complete it. Returned

home in 1991.

Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons..

Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during childbirth..

After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife and

finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in 2007,

got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with parents,

looking after them.

No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life..

Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever

things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did

work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally not

been very lucky..

He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking

habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very

spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks after

his parents well.

Warmest regards

Sheevani

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna ,

>

> dear shivani ji ,

>

> can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known

details

> to the grp .

>

> Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh patra

> principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a feamale

and

> place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know how

and

> what realy happened .

>

> I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film

producer

> and business man from south and other is a unmarried very beutiful

delhi

> girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to know

when

> she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some

relativ

> to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un successful

lov

> marriage and divorce .

>

> actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in

daily

> entry books .

>

> so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and

comparisons

> if possible .

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

, " sheevani147 "

> <sheevani147@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was born

on

> > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your mother,, I

> > thought I was seeing double..

> >

> > warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > , Vijayanarasimha H

> > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but even

> > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year

length,

> > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and on

Oct

> > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and after

that

> > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to end

for

> > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace she

was

> > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now. My

> > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha

during

> > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower

portion

> > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were

> > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from 1968

to

> > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero

> > income, living in a small house, father working day and night and

> > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-laws,

> > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a

> > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, father

> > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, etc

> > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a

very

> > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is

enjoying

> > life again.

> > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.

> > >

> > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are bad

> > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results to

the

> > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed well

and

> > has power.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Vijay.

> > >

> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > I will clarify it further -

> > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna

> > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries

> > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates

> > head of the native

> > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may give

> > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially

Ketu)

> > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period. Therefore

> > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and the

> > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear that

the

> > said period should be Ju/Ma.

> > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due to

> > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples

that

> > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year length we

> > use in a practical perspective.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > >

> > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > ==>

> > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th,

she

> > had brain-haemorrhage in

> > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi

> > > <==

> > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries (the

> > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara;

please

> > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana

year

> > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also

> > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > ,

Vijayanarasimha

> > H Pakka

> > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners -

Pt.

> > Arjun

> > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or obvious)

how

> > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart as

> > benefic

> > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get mixed

> > results

> > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more

discussions

> > we can

> > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is the

one

> > which

> > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. I

would

> > rather

> > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has some

bad

> > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and

strength

> > of

> > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges

victorious.

> > This

> > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take

while

> > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim that

a

> > good

> > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My

mother

> > has

> > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had

> > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter was

in

> > ghataka

> > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she recovered

> > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular

tablets)

> > now.

> > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other

> > planets,

> > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final

victory

> > is to

> > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna thread,

it

> > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of

jupiter in

> > each

> > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in lagna.

Then

> > we get

> > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. Jupiter in

> > Aries

> > > > lagna, uninfluenced

> > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. Jupiter in

> > Aries

> > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind the

> > strength

> > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I can

say

> > it

> > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases Anyway,

as a

> > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with

> > jupiter's

> > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an important

> > footnote to

> > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and

> > placement of

> > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / or

any

> > other

> > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on jupiter's

> > effects in

> > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when influenced by

> > other

> > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it

difficult

> > to

> > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my

lagna

> > has

> > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,

> > > > > dear maligere ji ,

> > > > >

> > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu ( in

> > north its

> > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to single

jup

> > in

> > > > lagna how is it possible .

> > > > >

> > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the houses

> > involved

> > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u hav

to

> > giv us

> > > > feed back ) .

> > > > >

> > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi

> > balavasta or

> > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak house

then

> > merc (

> > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th

dasa (

> > another

> > > > maraka place ) ,

> > > > >

> > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??

> > > > >

> > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .

> > > > >

> > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other influnces r

> > there .

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .

> > > > >

> > > > > , " M.A "

maligere@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in lagna,

i

> > have not

> > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this

> > thread for

> > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties in

> > life, his

> > > > health is also nothing to boast about.

> > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an

> > attractive

> > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and

> > espectable

> > > > name "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen in

this

> > > > persons life

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Name : Sreenivas

> > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > > September 9, 1958

> > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am

> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00 " , 13 N 00' 00 "

> > > > > > Hassan, India

> > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana

> > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)

> > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)

> > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)

> > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)

> > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)

> > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)

> > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)

> > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)

> > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am

> > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm

> > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618

> > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29

> > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanx n' rgds

> > > > > > Maligere

> > > > > >

> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > > > > > dear pundit ji ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -

laksham

> > dosham

> > > > guru hanti .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted to

> > know more

> > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool

> > trikon sign

> > > > also 8th house .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar ji

is

> > taurus

> > > > lagna .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > dear vijayji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the

natives

> > with

> > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative and

> > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people with

> > jupiter

> > > > in

> > > > > > > lagna are as follows:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar

> > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV

> > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata

> > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao

> > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo

> > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati

> > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi

> > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar

> > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb

> > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime

> > minsiters,

> > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and

even

> > saints.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an

> > attractive

> > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and

> > > > respectable

> > > > > > > name.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if

not all

> > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna by

> > sitting

> > > > in

> > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 houses

(one

> > > > quadrant

> > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails earlier,

> > jupiter

> > > > is

> > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all

the

> > three

> > > > > > > houses he aspect.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > the title " jeeva " or enlivener is granted by lord shiva

to

> > jupiter

> > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " Vijay "

> > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but its

> > really

> > > > great

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru

most of

> > them

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files

section

> > of this

> > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding Jupiter

in

> > Lagna I

> > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some

> > interesting

> > > > cases.

> > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and

their

> > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in their

> > life,

> > > > because

> > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to do

> > with the

> > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their lives

we

> > have to

> > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the scope

of

> > the

> > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me about

their

> > > > > > > characters.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and

political

> > > > problems

> > > > > > > > in job):

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E,

> > 13.40.N.

> > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer and

very

> > > > dynamic

> > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just honest

> > (which is

> > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political persons

and

> > even

> > > > got

> > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how to

> > control

> > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent

but

> > at the

> > > > same

> > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th

house). He

> > said

> > > > he

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and he

is

> > also

> > > > not

> > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a primary

> > school

> > > > > > > teacher

> > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He

seems to

> > be

> > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was workoholic

he

> > had

> > > > health

> > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published a

> > poetry

> > > > book

> > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was

astonished,

> > even I

> > > > was

> > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really

> > astonishing, very

> > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel he

is

> > really

> > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.

> > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a

> > > > professional

> > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will,

seeing

> > not

> > > > only

> > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But

> > character

> > > > wise,

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since

there

> > isnt

> > > > any

> > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he is

very

> > > > > > > righteous,

> > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents said

> > indeed he

> > > > was

> > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much

respects all

> > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter dasha,

he

> > didnt

> > > > have

> > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays

> > tabla at

> > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > competitions.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of

> > Legislative

> > > > > > > > Council),

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), but

my

> > mother

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and he

went

> > to

> > > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by

public

> > to be

> > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely

> > opposite, that

> > > > he

> > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity works,

and

> > sincere

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into

> > tears. He

> > > > said

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was very

> > sincere.

> > > > He

> > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real estate

> > business

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people

thought

> > he made

> > > > all

> > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also uneducated.

He

> > is not

> > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone and

> > also does

> > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But since

> > Moon is in

> > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech and

> > has good

> > > > > > > mind.

> > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because

Mars in

> > own

> > > > house

> > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his

> > enemies in

> > > > real-

> > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its

interesting to

> > see

> > > > that

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > is not well educated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:

> > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet

and

> > > > dignified

> > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned

person.

> > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.

> > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education

though).

> > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, speech,

> > poetry,

> > > > etc),

> > > > > > > > though not like venus.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > Vijay.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in

> > Lagna. The

> > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. Arjun

ji

> > and

> > > > > > > Srinivas

> > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of

Jupiter

> > and its

> > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in Lagna.

Try

> > to

> > > > argue

> > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results

with

> > your own

> > > > or

> > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the discussion

> > with

> > > > minimum

> > > > > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-

> > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would be

> > versatile

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches such

as -

> > > > > > > Vyakarana,

> > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in Cancer

the

> > said

> > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.

> > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have good

> > longevity

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.

> > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic

planets or

> > in

> > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he

would

> > be

> > > > > > > > interested in

> > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity -

middle

> > age,

> > > > too

> > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his

> > relatives or

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words

> > against good

> > > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.

> > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric..

Hurah,

> > to the

> > > > > > > > thread of

> > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji.

> > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

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February 7, 2008

Dear Sunil ji & Sheevani ji,

'Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,

time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)

POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!

Lagna is cancer.. "

Is this time zone correct? Jhora give + 8. Hence I get Gemini

lagna???

blessings

Renu

, " sheevani147 "

<sheevani147 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil ji.

>

> Namaste.

>

> Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events

in

> his life..

>

> Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,

> time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)

> POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!

> Lagna is cancer..

>

> He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very

> intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which

> subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really

> very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken

and

> written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.

>

> After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in

> 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in

> rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams

but

> didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had

> lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered

money

> and had health issues..

>

> Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got

> married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in

sucession

> due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..

>

> In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989.

> Started his baristership training but did not complete it.

Returned

> home in 1991.

>

> Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons..

> Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during childbirth..

>

> After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife and

> finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in

2007,

> got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with

parents,

> looking after them.

>

> No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life..

> Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever

> things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did

> work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally

not

> been very lucky..

>

> He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking

> habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very

> spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks

after

> his parents well.

>

> Warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna ,

> >

> > dear shivani ji ,

> >

> > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known

> details

> > to the grp .

> >

> > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh patra

> > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a

feamale

> and

> > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know

how

> and

> > what realy happened .

> >

> > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film

> producer

> > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very

beutiful

> delhi

> > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to

know

> when

> > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some

> relativ

> > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un

successful

> lov

> > marriage and divorce .

> >

> > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in

> daily

> > entry books .

> >

> > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and

> comparisons

> > if possible .

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> >

> > , " sheevani147 "

> > <sheevani147@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was

born

> on

> > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your

mother,, I

> > > thought I was seeing double..

> > >

> > > warmest regards

> > > Sheevani

> > >

> > > ,

Vijayanarasimha H

> > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but

even

> > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year

> length,

> > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and

on

> Oct

> > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and

after

> that

> > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to

end

> for

> > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace

she

> was

> > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now.

My

> > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha

> during

> > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower

> portion

> > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were

> > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from

1968

> to

> > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero

> > > income, living in a small house, father working day and night

and

> > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-

laws,

> > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a

> > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished,

father

> > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry,

etc

> > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a

> very

> > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is

> enjoying

> > > life again.

> > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.

> > > >

> > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are

bad

> > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results

to

> the

> > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed

well

> and

> > > has power.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Vijay.

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > > I will clarify it further -

> > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna

> > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries

> > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates

> > > head of the native

> > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may

give

> > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially

> Ketu)

> > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period.

Therefore

> > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and

the

> > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear

that

> the

> > > said period should be Ju/Ma.

> > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due

to

> > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples

> that

> > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year

length we

> > > use in a practical perspective.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > > ==>

> > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in

8th,

> she

> > > had brain-haemorrhage in

> > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi

> > > > <==

> > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries

(the

> > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara;

> please

> > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day

Savana

> year

> > > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also

> > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> Vijayanarasimha

> > > H Pakka

> > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners -

> Pt.

> > > Arjun

> > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or

obvious)

> how

> > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart

as

> > > benefic

> > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get

mixed

> > > results

> > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more

> discussions

> > > we can

> > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is

the

> one

> > > which

> > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc.

I

> would

> > > rather

> > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has

some

> bad

> > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and

> strength

> > > of

> > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges

> victorious.

> > > This

> > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take

> while

> > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim

that

> a

> > > good

> > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My

> mother

> > > has

> > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had

> > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter

was

> in

> > > ghataka

> > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she

recovered

> > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular

> tablets)

> > > now.

> > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other

> > > planets,

> > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final

> victory

> > > is to

> > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna

thread,

> it

> > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of

> jupiter in

> > > each

> > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in

lagna.

> Then

> > > we get

> > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1.

Jupiter in

> > > Aries

> > > > > lagna, uninfluenced

> > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3.

Jupiter in

> > > Aries

> > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind

the

> > > strength

> > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I

can

> say

> > > it

> > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases

Anyway,

> as a

> > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with

> > > jupiter's

> > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an important

> > > footnote to

> > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and

> > > placement of

> > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji /

or

> any

> > > other

> > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on

jupiter's

> > > effects in

> > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when

influenced by

> > > other

> > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it

> difficult

> > > to

> > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my

> lagna

> > > has

> > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>

> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,

> > > > > > dear maligere ji ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu (

in

> > > north its

> > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to

single

> jup

> > > in

> > > > > lagna how is it possible .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the

houses

> > > involved

> > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u

hav

> to

> > > giv us

> > > > > feed back ) .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi

> > > balavasta or

> > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak

house

> then

> > > merc (

> > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th

> dasa (

> > > another

> > > > > maraka place ) ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other

influnces r

> > > there .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " M.A "

> maligere@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in

lagna,

> i

> > > have not

> > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in

this

> > > thread for

> > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but

difficulties in

> > > life, his

> > > > > health is also nothing to boast about.

> > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an

> > > attractive

> > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and

> > > espectable

> > > > > name "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen

in

> this

> > > > > persons life

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas

> > > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > > > September 9, 1958

> > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00 " , 13 N 00' 00 "

> > > > > > > Hassan, India

> > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana

> > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)

> > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)

> > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)

> > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)

> > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)

> > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)

> > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)

> > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)

> > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am

> > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm

> > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618

> > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29

> > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds

> > > > > > > Maligere

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > > > > > > dear pundit ji ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -

> laksham

> > > dosham

> > > > > guru hanti .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i

wanted to

> > > know more

> > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool

> > > trikon sign

> > > > > also 8th house .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar

ji

> is

> > > taurus

> > > > > lagna .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear vijayji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the

> natives

> > > with

> > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative

and

> > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people

with

> > > jupiter

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > lagna are as follows:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar

> > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV

> > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata

> > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao

> > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo

> > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati

> > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi

> > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar

> > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb

> > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime

> > > minsiters,

> > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and

> even

> > > saints.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an

> > > attractive

> > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous

and

> > > > > respectable

> > > > > > > > name.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if

> not all

> > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils

lagna by

> > > sitting

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9

houses

> (one

> > > > > quadrant

> > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails

earlier,

> > > jupiter

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on

all

> the

> > > three

> > > > > > > > houses he aspect.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the title " jeeva " or enlivener is granted by lord

shiva

> to

> > > jupiter

> > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh

doshams.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

, " Vijay "

> > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but

its

> > > really

> > > > > great

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru

> most of

> > > them

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files

> section

> > > of this

> > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding

Jupiter

> in

> > > Lagna I

> > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some

> > > interesting

> > > > > cases.

> > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and

> their

> > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in

their

> > > life,

> > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little

to do

> > > with the

> > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their

lives

> we

> > > have to

> > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the

scope

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me

about

> their

> > > > > > > > characters.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and

> political

> > > > > problems

> > > > > > > > > in job):

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E,

> > > 13.40.N.

> > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer

and

> very

> > > > > dynamic

> > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just

honest

> > > (which is

> > > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political

persons

> and

> > > even

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows

how to

> > > control

> > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very

decent

> but

> > > at the

> > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th

> house). He

> > > said

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and

he

> is

> > > also

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a

primary

> > > school

> > > > > > > > teacher

> > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He

> seems to

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was

workoholic

> he

> > > had

> > > > > health

> > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has

published a

> > > poetry

> > > > > book

> > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was

> astonished,

> > > even I

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really

> > > astonishing, very

> > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel

he

> is

> > > really

> > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.

> > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join

a

> > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will,

> seeing

> > > not

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But

> > > character

> > > > > wise,

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since

> there

> > > isnt

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he

is

> very

> > > > > > > > righteous,

> > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents

said

> > > indeed he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much

> respects all

> > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter

dasha,

> he

> > > didnt

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he

plays

> > > tabla at

> > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > competitions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of

> > > Legislative

> > > > > > > > > Council),

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP),

but

> my

> > > mother

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and

he

> went

> > > to

> > > > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by

> public

> > > to be

> > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely

> > > opposite, that

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity

works,

> and

> > > sincere

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into

> > > tears. He

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was

very

> > > sincere.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real

estate

> > > business

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people

> thought

> > > he made

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also

uneducated.

> He

> > > is not

> > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone

and

> > > also does

> > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But

since

> > > Moon is in

> > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech

and

> > > has good

> > > > > > > > mind.

> > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because

> Mars in

> > > own

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his

> > > enemies in

> > > > > real-

> > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its

> interesting to

> > > see

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > is not well educated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:

> > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have

sweet

> and

> > > > > dignified

> > > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned

> person.

> > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.

> > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education

> though).

> > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music,

speech,

> > > poetry,

> > > > > etc),

> > > > > > > > > though not like venus.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Vijay.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in

> > > Lagna. The

> > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt.

Arjun

> ji

> > > and

> > > > > > > > Srinivas

> > > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of

> Jupiter

> > > and its

> > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in

Lagna.

> Try

> > > to

> > > > > argue

> > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results

> with

> > > your own

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the

discussion

> > > with

> > > > > minimum

> > > > > > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-

> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native

would be

> > > versatile

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches

such

> as -

> > > > > > > > Vyakarana,

> > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in

Cancer

> the

> > > said

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.

> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have

good

> > > longevity

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.

> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic

> planets or

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house -

he

> would

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > interested in

> > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity -

> middle

> > > age,

> > > > > too

> > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his

> > > relatives or

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words

> > > against good

> > > > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.

> > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric..

> Hurah,

> > > to the

> > > > > > > > > thread of

> > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji.

> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

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>

February 7, 2008

hare rama krishna

dear renu ji .

The time zone in malaysia changed to 8hrs only in 1982 ,prior to it was 7.30 hrs

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Time zone changes and daylight saving time start/end dates> > between year 1950 and 1959> > Local time DST? UTC offset Zone name Event/details No changes in year> > 1950 - 1959 No +7:30 hours MALT

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hope this helps

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji & Sheevani ji,> > 'Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,> time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)> POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!> Lagna is cancer.."> > Is this time zone correct? Jhora give + 8. Hence I get Gemini > lagna???> > blessings> > Renu> > > , "sheevani147" > sheevani147@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Sunil ji.> > > > Namaste.> > > > Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events > in > > his life..> > > > Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,> > time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)> > POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!> > Lagna is cancer..> > > > He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very > > intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which > > subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really > > very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken > and > > written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.> > > > After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in > > 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in > > rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams > but > > didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had > > lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered > money > > and had health issues..> > > > Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got > > married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in > sucession > > due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..> > > > In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989. > > Started his baristership training but did not complete it. > Returned > > home in 1991.> > > > Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons..> > Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during childbirth..> > > > After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife and > > finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in > 2007, > > got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with > parents, > > looking after them.> > > > No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life..> > Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever > > things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did > > work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally > not > > been very lucky..> > > > He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking > > habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very > > spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks > after > > his parents well.> > > > Warmest regards> > Sheevani> > > > , "sunil nair" > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > dear shivani ji ,> > > > > > > > > > > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known > > details> > > to the grp .> > > > > > > > > > > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh patra> > > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a > feamale > > and> > > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know > how > > and> > > what realy happened .> > > > > > > > > > > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film > > producer> > > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very > beutiful > > delhi> > > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to > know > > when> > > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some > > relativ> > > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un > successful > > lov> > > marriage and divorce .> > > > > > > > > > > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in > > daily> > > entry books .> > > > > > > > > > > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and > > comparisons> > > if possible .> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147"> > > <sheevani147@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Namaste,> > > >> > > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was > born > > on> > > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your > mother,, I> > > > thought I was seeing double..> > > >> > > > warmest regards> > > > Sheevani> > > >> > > > , > Vijayanarasimha H> > > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Shreenadhji,> > > > >> > > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but > even> > > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year > > length,> > > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and > on > > Oct> > > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and > after > > that> > > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to > end > > for> > > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace > she > > was> > > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now. > My> > > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha > > during> > > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower > > portion> > > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were> > > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from > 1968 > > to> > > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero> > > > income, living in a small house, father working day and night > and> > > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-> laws,> > > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a> > > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, > father> > > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, > etc> > > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a > > very> > > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is > > enjoying> > > > life again.> > > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.> > > > >> > > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are > bad> > > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results > to > > the> > > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed > well > > and> > > > has power.> > > > >> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Vijay.> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > > > I will clarify it further -> > > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna> > > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries> > > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates> > > > head of the native> > > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may > give> > > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially > > Ketu)> > > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period. > Therefore> > > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and > the> > > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear > that > > the> > > > said period should be Ju/Ma.> > > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due > to> > > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples > > that> > > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year > length we> > > > use in a practical perspective.> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > > >> > > > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > > > ==>> > > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in > 8th, > > she> > > > had brain-haemorrhage in> > > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi> > > > > <==> > > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries > (the> > > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara; > > please> > > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day > Savana > > year> > > > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also> > > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > , > > Vijayanarasimha> > > > H Pakka> > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners -> > > Pt.> > > > Arjun> > > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or > obvious) > > how> > > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart > as> > > > benefic> > > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get > mixed> > > > results> > > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more > > discussions> > > > we can> > > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is > the > > one> > > > which> > > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. > I > > would> > > > rather> > > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has > some > > bad> > > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and > > strength> > > > of> > > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges > > victorious.> > > > This> > > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take > > while> > > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim > that > > a> > > > good> > > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My > > mother> > > > has> > > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had> > > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter > was > > in> > > > ghataka> > > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she > recovered> > > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular > > tablets)> > > > now.> > > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other> > > > planets,> > > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final > > victory> > > > is to> > > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna > thread, > > it> > > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of > > jupiter in> > > > each> > > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in > lagna. > > Then> > > > we get> > > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. > Jupiter in> > > > Aries> > > > > > lagna, uninfluenced> > > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. > Jupiter in> > > > Aries> > > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind > the> > > > strength> > > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I > can > > say> > > > it> > > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases > Anyway, > > as a> > > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with> > > > jupiter's> > > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an important> > > > footnote to> > > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and> > > > placement of> > > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / > or > > any> > > > other> > > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on > jupiter's> > > > effects in> > > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when > influenced by> > > > other> > > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it > > difficult> > > > to> > > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my > > lagna> > > > has> > > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>> > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > > > > dear maligere ji ,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu ( > in> > > > north its> > > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to > single > > jup> > > > in> > > > > > lagna how is it possible .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the > houses> > > > involved> > > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u > hav > > to> > > > giv us> > > > > > feed back ) .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi> > > > balavasta or> > > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak > house > > then> > > > merc (> > > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th > > dasa (> > > > another> > > > > > maraka place ) ,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??> > > > > > >> > > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other > influnces r> > > > there .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "M.A" > > maligere@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in > lagna, > > i> > > > have not> > > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in > this> > > > thread for> > > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but > difficulties in> > > > life, his> > > > > > health is also nothing to boast about.> > > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an> > > > attractive> > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and> > > > espectable> > > > > > name"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen > in > > this> > > > > > persons life> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas> > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > September 9, 1958> > > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00", 13 N 00' 00"> > > > > > > > Hassan, India> > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana> > > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)> > > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> > > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)> > > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)> > > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)> > > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)> > > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)> > > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)> > > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am> > > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm> > > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618> > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29> > > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds> > > > > > > > Maligere> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > > > dear pundit ji ,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -> > laksham> > > > dosham> > > > > > guru hanti .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i > wanted to> > > > know more> > > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool> > > > trikon sign> > > > > > also 8th house .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar > ji > > is> > > > taurus> > > > > > lagna .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In> > > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dear vijayji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the > > natives> > > > with> > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative > and> > > > > > appreciated.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people > with> > > > jupiter> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > lagna are as follows:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar> > > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV> > > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata> > > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao> > > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo> > > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati> > > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi> > > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar> > > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb> > > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime> > > > minsiters,> > > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and > > even> > > > saints.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an> > > > attractive> > > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous > and> > > > > > respectable> > > > > > > > > name.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if > > not all> > > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils > lagna by> > > > sitting> > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 > houses > > (one> > > > > > quadrant> > > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails > earlier,> > > > jupiter> > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on > all > > the> > > > three> > > > > > > > > houses he aspect.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by lord > shiva > > to> > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh > doshams.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > , "Vijay"> > > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but > its> > > > really> > > > > > great> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru > > most of> > > > them> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files > > section> > > > of this> > > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding > Jupiter > > in> > > > Lagna I> > > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some> > > > interesting> > > > > > cases.> > > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and > > their> > > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in > their> > > > life,> > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little > to do> > > > with the> > > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their > lives > > we> > > > have to> > > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the > scope > > of> > > > the> > > > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me > about > > their> > > > > > > > > characters.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and > > political> > > > > > problems> > > > > > > > > > in job):> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E,> > > > 13.40.N.> > > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer > and > > very> > > > > > dynamic> > > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just > honest> > > > (which is> > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political > persons > > and> > > > even> > > > > > got> > > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows > how to> > > > control> > > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very > decent > > but> > > > at the> > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th > > house). He> > > > said> > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and > he > > is> > > > also> > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a > primary> > > > school> > > > > > > > > teacher> > > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He > > seems to> > > > be> > > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was > workoholic > > he> > > > had> > > > > > health> > > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has > published a> > > > poetry> > > > > > book> > > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was > > astonished,> > > > even I> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really> > > > astonishing, very> > > > > > > > > clear> > > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel > he > > is> > > > really> > > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.> > > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join > a> > > > > > professional> > > > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will, > > seeing> > > > not> > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But> > > > character> > > > > > wise,> > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since > > there> > > > isnt> > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he > is > > very> > > > > > > > > righteous,> > > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents > said> > > > indeed he> > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much > > respects all> > > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter > dasha, > > he> > > > didnt> > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he > plays> > > > tabla at> > > > > > > > > various> > > > > > > > > > competitions.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of> > > > Legislative> > > > > > > > > > Council),> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), > but > > my> > > > mother> > > > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and > he > > went> > > > to> > > > > > > > > politics> > > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by > > public> > > > to be> > > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely> > > > opposite, that> > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity > works, > > and> > > > sincere> > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into> > > > tears. He> > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was > very> > > > sincere.> > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real > estate> > > > business> > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people > > thought> > > > he made> > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also > uneducated. > > He> > > > is not> > > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone > and> > > > also does> > > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But > since> > > > Moon is in> > > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech > and> > > > has good> > > > > > > > > mind.> > > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because > > Mars in> > > > own> > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his> > > > enemies in> > > > > > real-> > > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its > > interesting to> > > > see> > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > is not well educated.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:> > > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have > sweet > > and> > > > > > dignified> > > > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned > > person.> > > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.> > > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education > > though).> > > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, > speech,> > > > poetry,> > > > > > etc),> > > > > > > > > > though not like venus.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > Vijay.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in> > > > Lagna. The> > > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. > Arjun > > ji> > > > and> > > > > > > > > Srinivas> > > > > > > > > > ji.> > > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of > > Jupiter> > > > and its> > > > > > > > > power> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in > Lagna. > > Try> > > > to> > > > > > argue> > > > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results > > with> > > > your own> > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the > discussion> > > > with> > > > > > minimum> > > > > > > > > > inputs> > > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-> > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native > would be> > > > versatile> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches > such > > as -> > > > > > > > > Vyakarana,> > > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in > Cancer > > the> > > > said> > > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.> > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have > good> > > > longevity> > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.> > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic > > planets or> > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - > he > > would> > > > be> > > > > > > > > > interested in> > > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity - > > middle> > > > age,> > > > > > too> > > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his> > > > relatives or> > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words> > > > against good> > > > > > > > > > people,> > > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.> > > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. > > Hurah,> > > > to the> > > > > > > > > > thread of> > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast > > with> > > > > > > > > > Search.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > > > > Mobile. Try> > > > > > it now.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > Mobile.> > > > Try it now.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

February 7, 2008

Dear Renuji,

Namaste..

The timezone of Malaysia was changed from +7.5 hours to +8 hours GMT

in the 1982.. so all births b4 that will have +7.5 hrs GMT.. just

alter the timezone manually in Jhora.

Warmest regards

Sheevani

, " renunw "

<renunw wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil ji & Sheevani ji,

>

> 'Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,

> time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)

> POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!

> Lagna is cancer.. "

>

> Is this time zone correct? Jhora give + 8. Hence I get Gemini

> lagna???

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

> , " sheevani147 "

> <sheevani147@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji.

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events

> in

> > his life..

> >

> > Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,

> > time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)

> > POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!

> > Lagna is cancer..

> >

> > He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very

> > intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which

> > subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really

> > very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken

> and

> > written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.

> >

> > After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India

in

> > 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in

> > rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams

> but

> > didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,,

had

> > lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered

> money

> > and had health issues..

> >

> > Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and

got

> > married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in

> sucession

> > due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..

> >

> > In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989.

> > Started his baristership training but did not complete it.

> Returned

> > home in 1991.

> >

> > Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons..

> > Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during

childbirth..

> >

> > After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife

and

> > finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in

> 2007,

> > got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with

> parents,

> > looking after them.

> >

> > No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life..

> > Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever

> > things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did

> > work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally

> not

> > been very lucky..

> >

> > He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to

drinking

> > habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very

> > spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks

> after

> > his parents well.

> >

> > Warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > >

> > > dear shivani ji ,

> > >

> > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known

> > details

> > > to the grp .

> > >

> > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh

patra

> > > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a

> feamale

> > and

> > > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know

> how

> > and

> > > what realy happened .

> > >

> > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a

film

> > producer

> > > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very

> beutiful

> > delhi

> > > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to

> know

> > when

> > > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some

> > relativ

> > > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un

> successful

> > lov

> > > marriage and divorce .

> > >

> > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where

in

> > daily

> > > entry books .

> > >

> > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and

> > comparisons

> > > if possible .

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > > , " sheevani147 "

> > > <sheevani147@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was

> born

> > on

> > > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your

> mother,, I

> > > > thought I was seeing double..

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards

> > > > Sheevani

> > > >

> > > > ,

> Vijayanarasimha H

> > > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but

> even

> > > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year

> > length,

> > > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and

> on

> > Oct

> > > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and

> after

> > that

> > > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to

> end

> > for

> > > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace

> she

> > was

> > > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family

now.

> My

> > > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha

> > during

> > > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower

> > portion

> > > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were

> > > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from

> 1968

> > to

> > > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents

(zero

> > > > income, living in a small house, father working day and night

> and

> > > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-

> laws,

> > > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a

> > > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished,

> father

> > > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry,

> etc

> > > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had

a

> > very

> > > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is

> > enjoying

> > > > life again.

> > > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.

> > > > >

> > > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are

> bad

> > > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good

results

> to

> > the

> > > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed

> well

> > and

> > > > has power.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Vijay.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > > > I will clarify it further -

> > > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna

> > > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries

> > > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates

> > > > head of the native

> > > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may

> give

> > > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially

> > Ketu)

> > > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period.

> Therefore

> > > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and

> the

> > > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear

> that

> > the

> > > > said period should be Ju/Ma.

> > > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong,

due

> to

> > > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such

examples

> > that

> > > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year

> length we

> > > > use in a practical perspective.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in

> 8th,

> > she

> > > > had brain-haemorrhage in

> > > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi

> > > > > <==

> > > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries

> (the

> > > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara;

> > please

> > > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day

> Savana

> > year

> > > > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not.

Also

> > > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > Vijayanarasimha

> > > > H Pakka

> > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread

owners -

>

> > Pt.

> > > > Arjun

> > > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or

> obvious)

> > how

> > > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the

chart

> as

> > > > benefic

> > > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get

> mixed

> > > > results

> > > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more

> > discussions

> > > > we can

> > > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is

> the

> > one

> > > > which

> > > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc.

> I

> > would

> > > > rather

> > > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has

> some

> > bad

> > > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and

> > strength

> > > > of

> > > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges

> > victorious.

> > > > This

> > > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take

> > while

> > > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim

> that

> > a

> > > > good

> > > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My

> > mother

> > > > has

> > > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had

> > > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter

> was

> > in

> > > > ghataka

> > > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she

> recovered

> > > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular

> > tablets)

> > > > now.

> > > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some

other

> > > > planets,

> > > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final

> > victory

> > > > is to

> > > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna

> thread,

> > it

> > > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of

> > jupiter in

> > > > each

> > > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in

> lagna.

> > Then

> > > > we get

> > > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1.

> Jupiter in

> > > > Aries

> > > > > > lagna, uninfluenced

> > > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3.

> Jupiter in

> > > > Aries

> > > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind

> the

> > > > strength

> > > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I

> can

> > say

> > > > it

> > > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases

> Anyway,

> > as a

> > > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up

with

> > > > jupiter's

> > > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an

important

> > > > footnote to

> > > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and

> > > > placement of

> > > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji /

> or

> > any

> > > > other

> > > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on

> jupiter's

> > > > effects in

> > > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when

> influenced by

> > > > other

> > > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it

> > difficult

> > > > to

> > > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my

> > lagna

> > > > has

> > > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>

> > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,

> > > > > > > dear maligere ji ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu

(

> in

> > > > north its

> > > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to

> single

> > jup

> > > > in

> > > > > > lagna how is it possible .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the

> houses

> > > > involved

> > > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u

> hav

> > to

> > > > giv us

> > > > > > feed back ) .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi

> > > > balavasta or

> > > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak

> house

> > then

> > > > merc (

> > > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th

> > dasa (

> > > > another

> > > > > > maraka place ) ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other

> influnces r

> > > > there .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " M.A "

> > maligere@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in

> lagna,

> > i

> > > > have not

> > > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in

> this

> > > > thread for

> > > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but

> difficulties in

> > > > life, his

> > > > > > health is also nothing to boast about.

> > > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an

> > > > attractive

> > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and

> > > > espectable

> > > > > > name "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have

seen

> in

> > this

> > > > > > persons life

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas

> > > > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > September 9, 1958

> > > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am

> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00 " , 13 N 00' 00 "

> > > > > > > > Hassan, India

> > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana

> > > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)

> > > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)

> > > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)

> > > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)

> > > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)

> > > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)

> > > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)

> > > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)

> > > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am

> > > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm

> > > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618

> > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29

> > > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds

> > > > > > > > Maligere

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > > > > > > > dear pundit ji ,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -

> > laksham

> > > > dosham

> > > > > > guru hanti .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i

> wanted to

> > > > know more

> > > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his

mool

> > > > trikon sign

> > > > > > also 8th house .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha

mangeshwar

> ji

> > is

> > > > taurus

> > > > > > lagna .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear vijayji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the

> > natives

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative

> and

> > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people

> with

> > > > jupiter

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > lagna are as follows:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar

> > > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV

> > > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata

> > > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao

> > > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo

> > > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati

> > > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi

> > > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar

> > > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb

> > > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas,

prime

> > > > minsiters,

> > > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons

and

> > even

> > > > saints.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an

> > > > attractive

> > > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life,

courageous

> and

> > > > > > respectable

> > > > > > > > > name.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most

if

> > not all

> > > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils

> lagna by

> > > > sitting

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9

> houses

> > (one

> > > > > > quadrant

> > > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails

> earlier,

> > > > jupiter

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on

> all

> > the

> > > > three

> > > > > > > > > houses he aspect.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the title " jeeva " or enlivener is granted by lord

> shiva

> > to

> > > > jupiter

> > > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh

> doshams.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> , " Vijay "

> > > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but

> its

> > > > really

> > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru

> > most of

> > > > them

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files

> > section

> > > > of this

> > > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding

> Jupiter

> > in

> > > > Lagna I

> > > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some

> > > > interesting

> > > > > > cases.

> > > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and

> > their

> > > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in

> their

> > > > life,

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little

> to do

> > > > with the

> > > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their

> lives

> > we

> > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the

> scope

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me

> about

> > their

> > > > > > > > > characters.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and

> > political

> > > > > > problems

> > > > > > > > > > in job):

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E,

> > > > 13.40.N.

> > > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer

> and

> > very

> > > > > > dynamic

> > > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just

> honest

> > > > (which is

> > > > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political

> persons

> > and

> > > > even

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows

> how to

> > > > control

> > > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very

> decent

> > but

> > > > at the

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th

> > house). He

> > > > said

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest

and

> he

> > is

> > > > also

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a

> primary

> > > > school

> > > > > > > > > teacher

> > > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He

> > seems to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was

> workoholic

> > he

> > > > had

> > > > > > health

> > > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has

> published a

> > > > poetry

> > > > > > book

> > > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was

> > astonished,

> > > > even I

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really

> > > > astonishing, very

> > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you

feel

> he

> > is

> > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.

> > > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will

join

> a

> > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will,

> > seeing

> > > > not

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But

> > > > character

> > > > > > wise,

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and

since

> > there

> > > > isnt

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he

> is

> > very

> > > > > > > > > righteous,

> > > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents

> said

> > > > indeed he

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much

> > respects all

> > > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter

> dasha,

> > he

> > > > didnt

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he

> plays

> > > > tabla at

> > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > competitions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of

> > > > Legislative

> > > > > > > > > > Council),

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP),

> but

> > my

> > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and

> he

> > went

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by

> > public

> > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely

> > > > opposite, that

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity

> works,

> > and

> > > > sincere

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went

into

> > > > tears. He

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was

> very

> > > > sincere.

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real

> estate

> > > > business

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people

> > thought

> > > > he made

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also

> uneducated.

> > He

> > > > is not

> > > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects

everyone

> and

> > > > also does

> > > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But

> since

> > > > Moon is in

> > > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in

speech

> and

> > > > has good

> > > > > > > > > mind.

> > > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because

> > Mars in

> > > > own

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with

his

> > > > enemies in

> > > > > > real-

> > > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its

> > interesting to

> > > > see

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > is not well educated.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:

> > > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have

> sweet

> > and

> > > > > > dignified

> > > > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned

> > person.

> > > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.

> > > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education

> > though).

> > > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music,

> speech,

> > > > poetry,

> > > > > > etc),

> > > > > > > > > > though not like venus.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Vijay.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter

in

> > > > Lagna. The

> > > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt.

> Arjun

> > ji

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Srinivas

> > > > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of

> > Jupiter

> > > > and its

> > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in

> Lagna.

> > Try

> > > > to

> > > > > > argue

> > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the

results

> > with

> > > > your own

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the

> discussion

> > > > with

> > > > > > minimum

> > > > > > > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-

> > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native

> would be

> > > > versatile

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches

> such

> > as -

> > > > > > > > > Vyakarana,

> > > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in

> Cancer

> > the

> > > > said

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.

> > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have

> good

> > > > longevity

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.

> > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic

> > planets or

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house -

> he

> > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > interested in

> > > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity -

> > middle

> > > > age,

> > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his

> > > > relatives or

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words

> > > > against good

> > > > > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.

> > > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric..

> > Hurah,

> > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > thread of

> > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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February 7, 2008

Dear Sunil ji & Sheevani ji,

Thanks....I get Cancer lagna now ..

blessings

Renu

, " sheevani147 "

<sheevani147 wrote:

>

> Dear Renuji,

>

> Namaste..

>

> The timezone of Malaysia was changed from +7.5 hours to +8 hours

GMT

> in the 1982.. so all births b4 that will have +7.5 hrs GMT.. just

> alter the timezone manually in Jhora.

>

> Warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

> , " renunw "

> <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji & Sheevani ji,

> >

> > 'Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,

> > time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)

> > POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!

> > Lagna is cancer.. "

> >

> > Is this time zone correct? Jhora give + 8. Hence I get Gemini

> > lagna???

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > , " sheevani147 "

> > <sheevani147@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sunil ji.

> > >

> > > Namaste.

> > >

> > > Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and

events

> > in

> > > his life..

> > >

> > > Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,

> > > time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)

> > > POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might

remember!

> > > Lagna is cancer..

> > >

> > > He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very

> > > intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which

> > > subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is

really

> > > very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both

spoken

> > and

> > > written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.

> > >

> > > After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to

India

> in

> > > 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in

> > > rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his

exams

> > but

> > > didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,,

> had

> > > lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly,

sqandered

> > money

> > > and had health issues..

> > >

> > > Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and

> got

> > > married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in

> > sucession

> > > due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..

> > >

> > > In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in

1989.

> > > Started his baristership training but did not complete it.

> > Returned

> > > home in 1991.

> > >

> > > Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons..

> > > Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during

> childbirth..

> > >

> > > After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife

> and

> > > finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in

> > 2007,

> > > got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with

> > parents,

> > > looking after them.

> > >

> > > No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his

life..

> > > Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and

whenever

> > > things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and

did

> > > work hard for periods, but efforts were not

consistent..Generally

> > not

> > > been very lucky..

> > >

> > > He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to

> drinking

> > > habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very

> > > spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and

looks

> > after

> > > his parents well.

> > >

> > > Warmest regards

> > > Sheevani

> > >

> > > , " sunil nair "

> > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > > >

> > > > dear shivani ji ,

> > > >

> > > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever

known

> > > details

> > > > to the grp .

> > > >

> > > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh

> patra

> > > > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a

> > feamale

> > > and

> > > > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to

know

> > how

> > > and

> > > > what realy happened .

> > > >

> > > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a

> film

> > > producer

> > > > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very

> > beutiful

> > > delhi

> > > > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted

to

> > know

> > > when

> > > > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by

some

> > > relativ

> > > > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un

> > successful

> > > lov

> > > > marriage and divorce .

> > > >

> > > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some

where

> in

> > > daily

> > > > entry books .

> > > >

> > > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and

> > > comparisons

> > > > if possible .

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > >

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > >

> > > > --- In

, " sheevani147 "

> > > > <sheevani147@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Namaste,

> > > > >

> > > > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He

was

> > born

> > > on

> > > > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your

> > mother,, I

> > > > > thought I was seeing double..

> > > > >

> > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > Sheevani

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> > Vijayanarasimha H

> > > > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical,

but

> > even

> > > > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in

year

> > > length,

> > > > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001

and

> > on

> > > Oct

> > > > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and

> > after

> > > that

> > > > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed

to

> > end

> > > for

> > > > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's

grace

> > she

> > > was

> > > > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family

> now.

> > My

> > > > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus

dasha

> > > during

> > > > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her

lower

> > > portion

> > > > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We

were

> > > > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha,

from

> > 1968

> > > to

> > > > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents

> (zero

> > > > > income, living in a small house, father working day and

night

> > and

> > > > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from

in-

> > laws,

> > > > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a

> > > > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost

vanished,

> > father

> > > > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established

industry,

> > etc

> > > > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she

had

> a

> > > very

> > > > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is

> > > enjoying

> > > > > life again.

> > > > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets

are

> > bad

> > > > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good

> results

> > to

> > > the

> > > > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed

> > well

> > > and

> > > > > has power.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Vijay.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > > > > I will clarify it further -

> > > > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna

> > > > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries

> > > > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates

> > > > > head of the native

> > > > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that

may

> > give

> > > > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer

(especially

> > > Ketu)

> > > > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period.

> > Therefore

> > > > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease

and

> > the

> > > > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear

> > that

> > > the

> > > > > said period should be Ju/Ma.

> > > > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong,

> due

> > to

> > > > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such

> examples

> > > that

> > > > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year

> > length we

> > > > > use in a practical perspective.

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > --- In

, " Sreenadh "

> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu

in

> > 8th,

> > > she

> > > > > had brain-haemorrhage in

> > > > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi

> > > > > > <==

> > > > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of

Aries

> > (the

> > > > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars

antara;

> > > please

> > > > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day

> > Savana

> > > year

> > > > > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not.

> Also

> > > > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.

> > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > ,

> > > Vijayanarasimha

> > > > > H Pakka

> > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread

> owners -

> >

> > > Pt.

> > > > > Arjun

> > > > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or

> > obvious)

> > > how

> > > > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the

> chart

> > as

> > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get

> > mixed

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more

> > > discussions

> > > > > we can

> > > > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter

is

> > the

> > > one

> > > > > which

> > > > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like,

etc.

> > I

> > > would

> > > > > rather

> > > > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native

has

> > some

> > > bad

> > > > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement

and

> > > strength

> > > > > of

> > > > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges

> > > victorious.

> > > > > This

> > > > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should

take

> > > while

> > > > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to

proclaim

> > that

> > > a

> > > > > good

> > > > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like.

My

> > > mother

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had

> > > > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also

jupiter

> > was

> > > in

> > > > > ghataka

> > > > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she

> > recovered

> > > > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some

regular

> > > tablets)

> > > > > now.

> > > > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some

> other

> > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the

final

> > > victory

> > > > > is to

> > > > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna

> > thread,

> > > it

> > > > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of

> > > jupiter in

> > > > > each

> > > > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in

> > lagna.

> > > Then

> > > > > we get

> > > > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1.

> > Jupiter in

> > > > > Aries

> > > > > > > lagna, uninfluenced

> > > > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3.

> > Jupiter in

> > > > > Aries

> > > > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in

mind

> > the

> > > > > strength

> > > > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many

combinations, I

> > can

> > > say

> > > > > it

> > > > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases

> > Anyway,

> > > as a

> > > > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up

> with

> > > > > jupiter's

> > > > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an

> important

> > > > > footnote to

> > > > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets

and

> > > > > placement of

> > > > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji /

Neelamji /

> > or

> > > any

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on

> > jupiter's

> > > > > effects in

> > > > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when

> > influenced by

> > > > > other

> > > > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find

it

> > > difficult

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because

my

> > > lagna

> > > > > has

> > > > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>

> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,

> > > > > > > > dear maligere ji ,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic

rahu

> (

> > in

> > > > > north its

> > > > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to

> > single

> > > jup

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > lagna how is it possible .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the

> > houses

> > > > > involved

> > > > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . (

u

> > hav

> > > to

> > > > > giv us

> > > > > > > feed back ) .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa (

Athi

> > > > > balavasta or

> > > > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak

> > house

> > > then

> > > > > merc (

> > > > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in

7th

> > > dasa (

> > > > > another

> > > > > > > maraka place ) ,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other

> > influnces r

> > > > > there .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

, " M.A "

> > > maligere@

> > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in

> > lagna,

> > > i

> > > > > have not

> > > > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here

in

> > this

> > > > > thread for

> > > > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but

> > difficulties in

> > > > > life, his

> > > > > > > health is also nothing to boast about.

> > > > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native

an

> > > > > attractive

> > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous

and

> > > > > espectable

> > > > > > > name "

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have

> seen

> > in

> > > this

> > > > > > > persons life

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas

> > > > > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > > September 9, 1958

> > > > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am

> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00 " , 13 N 00' 00 "

> > > > > > > > > Hassan, India

> > > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana

> > > > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)

> > > > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)

> > > > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)

> > > > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)

> > > > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)

> > > > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)

> > > > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)

> > > > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)

> > > > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am

> > > > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm

> > > > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618

> > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29

> > > > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds

> > > > > > > > > Maligere

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > > > > > > > > dear pundit ji ,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore

doshas -

> > > laksham

> > > > > dosham

> > > > > > > guru hanti .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i

> > wanted to

> > > > > know more

> > > > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his

> mool

> > > > > trikon sign

> > > > > > > also 8th house .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha

> mangeshwar

> > ji

> > > is

> > > > > taurus

> > > > > > > lagna .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > dear vijayji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of

the

> > > natives

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is

informative

> > and

> > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable

people

> > with

> > > > > jupiter

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > lagna are as follows:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar

> > > > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar

IV

> > > > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata

> > > > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao

> > > > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo

> > > > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati

> > > > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi

> > > > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar

> > > > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb

> > > > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas,

> prime

> > > > > minsiters,

> > > > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons

> and

> > > even

> > > > > saints.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native

an

> > > > > attractive

> > > > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life,

> courageous

> > and

> > > > > > > respectable

> > > > > > > > > > name.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by

most

> if

> > > not all

> > > > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils

> > lagna by

> > > > > sitting

> > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9

> > houses

> > > (one

> > > > > > > quadrant

> > > > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails

> > earlier,

> > > > > jupiter

> > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits

on

> > all

> > > the

> > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > > houses he aspect.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > the title " jeeva " or enlivener is granted by

lord

> > shiva

> > > to

> > > > > jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh

> > doshams.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Vijay "

> > > > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group,

but

> > its

> > > > > really

> > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went

thru

> > > most of

> > > > > them

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the

files

> > > section

> > > > > of this

> > > > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding

> > Jupiter

> > > in

> > > > > Lagna I

> > > > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found

some

> > > > > interesting

> > > > > > > cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth

and

> > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events

in

> > their

> > > > > life,

> > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has

little

> > to do

> > > > > with the

> > > > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their

> > lives

> > > we

> > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of

the

> > scope

> > > of

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me

> > about

> > > their

> > > > > > > > > > characters.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health

and

> > > political

> > > > > > > problems

> > > > > > > > > > > in job):

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India,

77.41.E,

> > > > > 13.40.N.

> > > > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright

officer

> > and

> > > very

> > > > > > > dynamic

> > > > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not

just

> > honest

> > > > > (which is

> > > > > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political

> > persons

> > > and

> > > > > even

> > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and

knows

> > how to

> > > > > control

> > > > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very

> > decent

> > > but

> > > > > at the

> > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th

> > > house). He

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest

> and

> > he

> > > is

> > > > > also

> > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a

> > primary

> > > > > school

> > > > > > > > > > teacher

> > > > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer.

He

> > > seems to

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was

> > workoholic

> > > he

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > health

> > > > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has

> > published a

> > > > > poetry

> > > > > > > book

> > > > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was

> > > astonished,

> > > > > even I

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really

> > > > > astonishing, very

> > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you

> feel

> > he

> > > is

> > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.

> > > > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will

> join

> > a

> > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he

will,

> > > seeing

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha).

But

> > > > > character

> > > > > > > wise,

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and

> since

> > > there

> > > > > isnt

> > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say

he

> > is

> > > very

> > > > > > > > > > righteous,

> > > > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The

parents

> > said

> > > > > indeed he

> > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much

> > > respects all

> > > > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter

> > dasha,

> > > he

> > > > > didnt

> > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he

> > plays

> > > > > tabla at

> > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > competitions.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC

(Member of

> > > > > Legislative

> > > > > > > > > > > Council),

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election

(MP),

> > but

> > > my

> > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics,

and

> > he

> > > went

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known

by

> > > public

> > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said

completely

> > > > > opposite, that

> > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity

> > works,

> > > and

> > > > > sincere

> > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went

> into

> > > > > tears. He

> > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he

was

> > very

> > > > > sincere.

> > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in

real

> > estate

> > > > > business

> > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but

people

> > > thought

> > > > > he made

> > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also

> > uneducated.

> > > He

> > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects

> everyone

> > and

> > > > > also does

> > > > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well.

But

> > since

> > > > > Moon is in

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in

> speech

> > and

> > > > > has good

> > > > > > > > > > mind.

> > > > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous,

because

> > > Mars in

> > > > > own

> > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt

with

> his

> > > > > enemies in

> > > > > > > real-

> > > > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its

> > > interesting to

> > > > > see

> > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > is not well educated.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:

> > > > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have

> > sweet

> > > and

> > > > > > > dignified

> > > > > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a

learned

> > > person.

> > > > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.

> > > > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about

education

> > > though).

> > > > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music,

> > speech,

> > > > > poetry,

> > > > > > > etc),

> > > > > > > > > > > though not like venus.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Vijay.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of

Jupiter

> in

> > > > > Lagna. The

> > > > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are

Pt.

> > Arjun

> > > ji

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > Srinivas

> > > > > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor

of

> > > Jupiter

> > > > > and its

> > > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in

> > Lagna.

> > > Try

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > argue

> > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the

> results

> > > with

> > > > > your own

> > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the

> > discussion

> > > > > with

> > > > > > > minimum

> > > > > > > > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-

> > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native

> > would be

> > > > > versatile

> > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge

branches

> > such

> > > as -

> > > > > > > > > > Vyakarana,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in

> > Cancer

> > > the

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.

> > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will

have

> > good

> > > > > longevity

> > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.

> > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic

> > > planets or

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy

house -

> > he

> > > would

> > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > interested in

> > > > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering,

longevity -

> > > middle

> > > > > age,

> > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard

his

> > > > > relatives or

> > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad

words

> > > > > against good

> > > > > > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.

> > > > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter

Centric..

> > > Hurah,

> > > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > > thread of

> > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

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February 7, 2008

Hare rama krishna ,

dear shivani ji .

I was realy studying the chart with various options and its realay a interesting chart which reveals almost all astro principles known to me .

Nativ has shoola yoga ( sapta grahas in 3 signs) and a spoiled gaja kesary yoga .

All most all benefic dasas to lagna has passed already and now sani s dasa running who is debilated in amsa .

rahu in 8th house and sani is debilated (also combust )as 7th Lord ( both contributed a divorse ) also 9th Lord jup in own house and vakra .venus the karaka for marriage afflicted heavily .MOOn is weak as shukla prathama and nite birth .so lagna lord is also weak .

also 2nd house and Lord and karaka ( jup ) afflicted given him bad habbits regrds to drinking as affliction in 2nd house .

also affected in earning same is with 4th house

9th Lord is strong in chart so may be reasons for dependable source of support from father .

coming periods of rahu and jupiter may giv him some work i hope tho main period lord is weak .

also sadesati going on and sani goin tru a weak rasi .also next maha of merc also weak to deliver good results .

9th Lord of dharma is strong ,so praying vishnu will help him if he can reduce drinking habbits .

regrds sunil nair .

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "sheevani147" <sheevani147 wrote:>> > Dear Sunil ji.> > Namaste.> > Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events in > his life..> > Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,> time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)> POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!> Lagna is cancer..> > He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very > intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which > subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really > very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken and > written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.> > After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in > 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in > rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams but > didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had > lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered money > and had health issues..> > Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got > married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in sucession > due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..> > In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989. > Started his baristership training but did not complete it. Returned > home in 1991.> > Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons..> Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during childbirth..> > After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife and > finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in 2007, > got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with parents, > looking after them.> > No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life..> Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever > things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did > work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally not > been very lucky..> > He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking > habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very > spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks after > his parents well.> > Warmest regards> Sheevani> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear shivani ji ,> > > > > > > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known > details> > to the grp .> > > > > > > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh patra> > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a feamale > and> > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know how > and> > what realy happened .> > > > > > > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film > producer> > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very beutiful > delhi> > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to know > when> > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some > relativ> > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un successful > lov> > marriage and divorce .> > > > > > > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in > daily> > entry books .> > > > > > > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and > comparisons> > if possible .> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147"> > <sheevani147@> wrote:> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was born > on> > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your mother,, I> > > thought I was seeing double..> > >> > > warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > > , Vijayanarasimha H> > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Shreenadhji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but even> > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year > length,> > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and on > Oct> > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and after > that> > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to end > for> > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace she > was> > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now. My> > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha > during> > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower > portion> > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were> > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from 1968 > to> > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero> > > income, living in a small house, father working day and night and> > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-laws,> > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a> > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, father> > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, etc> > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a > very> > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is > enjoying> > > life again.> > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.> > > >> > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are bad> > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results to > the> > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed well > and> > > has power.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay.> > > >> > > >> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > > I will clarify it further -> > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna> > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries> > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates> > > head of the native> > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may give> > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially > Ketu)> > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period. Therefore> > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and the> > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear that > the> > > said period should be Ju/Ma.> > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due to> > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples > that> > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year length we> > > use in a practical perspective.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > >> > > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, > she> > > had brain-haemorrhage in> > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi> > > > <==> > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries (the> > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara; > please> > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana > year> > > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also> > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > , > Vijayanarasimha> > > H Pakka> > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - > Pt.> > > Arjun> > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or obvious) > how> > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart as> > > benefic> > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get mixed> > > results> > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more > discussions> > > we can> > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is the > one> > > which> > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. I > would> > > rather> > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has some > bad> > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and > strength> > > of> > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges > victorious.> > > This> > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take > while> > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim that > a> > > good> > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My > mother> > > has> > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had> > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter was > in> > > ghataka> > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she recovered> > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular > tablets)> > > now.> > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other> > > planets,> > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final > victory> > > is to> > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna thread, > it> > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of > jupiter in> > > each> > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in lagna. > Then> > > we get> > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. Jupiter in> > > Aries> > > > > lagna, uninfluenced> > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. Jupiter in> > > Aries> > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind the> > > strength> > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I can > say> > > it> > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases Anyway, > as a> > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with> > > jupiter's> > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an important> > > footnote to> > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and> > > placement of> > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / or > any> > > other> > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on jupiter's> > > effects in> > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when influenced by> > > other> > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it > difficult> > > to> > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my > lagna> > > has> > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > > > dear maligere ji ,> > > > > >> > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu ( in> > > north its> > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to single > jup> > > in> > > > > lagna how is it possible .> > > > > >> > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the houses> > > involved> > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u hav > to> > > giv us> > > > > feed back ) .> > > > > >> > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi> > > balavasta or> > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak house > then> > > merc (> > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th > dasa (> > > another> > > > > maraka place ) ,> > > > > >> > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??> > > > > >> > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .> > > > > >> > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other influnces r> > > there .> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "M.A" > maligere@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in lagna, > i> > > have not> > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this> > > thread for> > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties in> > > life, his> > > > > health is also nothing to boast about.> > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an> > > attractive> > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and> > > espectable> > > > > name"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen in > this> > > > > persons life> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas> > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > September 9, 1958> > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00", 13 N 00' 00"> > > > > > > Hassan, India> > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana> > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)> > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)> > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)> > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)> > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)> > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)> > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)> > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am> > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm> > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618> > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29> > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds> > > > > > > Maligere> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > > dear pundit ji ,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -> laksham> > > dosham> > > > > guru hanti .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted to> > > know more> > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool> > > trikon sign> > > > > also 8th house .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar ji > is> > > taurus> > > > > lagna .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > dear vijayji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the > natives> > > with> > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative and> > > > > appreciated.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people with> > > jupiter> > > > > in> > > > > > > > lagna are as follows:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar> > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV> > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata> > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao> > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo> > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati> > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi> > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar> > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb> > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime> > > minsiters,> > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and > even> > > saints.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an> > > attractive> > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and> > > > > respectable> > > > > > > > name.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if > not all> > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna by> > > sitting> > > > > in> > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 houses > (one> > > > > quadrant> > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails earlier,> > > jupiter> > > > > is> > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all > the> > > three> > > > > > > > houses he aspect.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by lord shiva > to> > > jupiter> > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "Vijay"> > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but its> > > really> > > > > great> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru > most of> > > them> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files > section> > > of this> > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding Jupiter > in> > > Lagna I> > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some> > > interesting> > > > > cases.> > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and > their> > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in their> > > life,> > > > > because> > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to do> > > with the> > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their lives > we> > > have to> > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the scope > of> > > the> > > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me about > their> > > > > > > > characters.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and > political> > > > > problems> > > > > > > > > in job):> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E,> > > 13.40.N.> > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer and > very> > > > > dynamic> > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just honest> > > (which is> > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political persons > and> > > even> > > > > got> > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how to> > > control> > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent > but> > > at the> > > > > same> > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th > house). He> > > said> > > > > he> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and he > is> > > also> > > > > not> > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a primary> > > school> > > > > > > > teacher> > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He > seems to> > > be> > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was workoholic > he> > > had> > > > > health> > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published a> > > poetry> > > > > book> > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was > astonished,> > > even I> > > > > was> > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really> > > astonishing, very> > > > > > > > clear> > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel he > is> > > really> > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.> > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a> > > > > professional> > > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will, > seeing> > > not> > > > > only> > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But> > > character> > > > > wise,> > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since > there> > > isnt> > > > > any> > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he is > very> > > > > > > > righteous,> > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents said> > > indeed he> > > > > was> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much > respects all> > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter dasha, > he> > > didnt> > > > > have> > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays> > > tabla at> > > > > > > > various> > > > > > > > > competitions.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of> > > Legislative> > > > > > > > > Council),> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), but > my> > > mother> > > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and he > went> > > to> > > > > > > > politics> > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by > public> > > to be> > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely> > > opposite, that> > > > > he> > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity works, > and> > > sincere> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into> > > tears. He> > > > > said> > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was very> > > sincere.> > > > > He> > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real estate> > > business> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people > thought> > > he made> > > > > all> > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also uneducated. > He> > > is not> > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone and> > > also does> > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But since> > > Moon is in> > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech and> > > has good> > > > > > > > mind.> > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because > Mars in> > > own> > > > > house> > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his> > > enemies in> > > > > real-> > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its > interesting to> > > see> > > > > that> > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > is not well educated.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:> > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet > and> > > > > dignified> > > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned > person.> > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.> > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education > though).> > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, speech,> > > poetry,> > > > > etc),> > > > > > > > > though not like venus.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Vijay.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in> > > Lagna. The> > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. Arjun > ji> > > and> > > > > > > > Srinivas> > > > > > > > > ji.> > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of > Jupiter> > > and its> > > > > > > > power> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in Lagna. > Try> > > to> > > > > argue> > > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results > with> > > your own> > > > > or> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the discussion> > > with> > > > > minimum> > > > > > > > > inputs> > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would be> > > versatile> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches such > as -> > > > > > > > Vyakarana,> > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in Cancer > the> > > said> > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have good> > > longevity> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic > planets or> > > in> > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he > would> > > be> > > > > > > > > interested in> > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity - > middle> > > age,> > > > > too> > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his> > > relatives or> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words> > > against good> > > > > > > > > people,> > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.> > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. > Hurah,> > > to the> > > > > > > > > thread of> > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast > with> > > > > > > > Search.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > > Mobile. Try> > > > > it now.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile.> > > Try it now.> > > >> > >> >>

February 8, 2008

Dear Sheevani ji, That was a good detailed portrait of your brother. I would like to share my observations: 1. Though jupiter is in its own house in Rasi (that too in the 9th!) and in a friendly house in Navamsha, it would be mostly mixed results because of the following negatives: - Jup is retrograde - Jup is in the nakshatra of Saturn - Jup is aspected by malefics Saturn and Mars, Sun - One consolation is that Mars is the yogakaraka among the above malefics - Gajakesari Yoga does not work here as Jupiter is retrograde and Moon is combust 2. Because of the above reasons though Jupiter is aspecting Lagna, the native seem to have lived a turbulant life, even during Jupiter MD. 3. Karaka of Mind Moon, who is also the lagna lord, is combust. Hence, the

native might have got into drinking problem as his 2nd house falls into RKA axis. Note that the problem has started in Rau MD. The problem has either started in Rahu-Ketu period of Rahu-Venus period. Both Venus and Ketu occupy 2nd house. 4. It is interesting to note that both Sat and Moon occupy UL. Rahu is disposited by Saturn. & th lord Saturn is with 3rd lord Mercury in the 3rd house. It clearly indicates a possibility of love marraige and a good possibility of the spouse having a big age difference. What was the age difference with his second wife? That appears to be a love marriage as it took place during Sat-Mer period. Please clarify. 5. He seems to have a poor career. Notice that in D10 Ra/Ke are in kendras to lagna 6. His 10th lord from Rasi is in Venus Navamsha. Venus is with Mars in Rasi aspecting Jupiter. That might explain his studying Law and completing it in

Jup-Mars period! Note that in D24 Jup and Mars are in trines to each other. Regards, Krishnasheevani147 <sheevani147 wrote: Dear Sunil ji.Namaste.Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events in his life..Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!Lagna is cancer..He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very intelligent,

soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken and written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams but didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered money and had health issues..Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in sucession due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989. Started his baristership training but did not complete it. Returned

home in 1991.Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons..Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during childbirth..After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife and finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in 2007, got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with parents, looking after them.No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life..Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally not been very lucky..He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks after his parents well.Warmest

regardsSheevani , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > dear shivani ji ,> > > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known details> to the grp .> > > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh patra> principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a feamale and> place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know how and> what realy happened .> > > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film producer> and business man from south and other is a unmarried very beutiful delhi> girl who is working as a manager in a showroom

,and wanted to know when> she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some relativ> to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un successful lov> marriage and divorce .> > > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in daily> entry books .> > > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and comparisons> if possible .> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147"> <sheevani147@> wrote:> >> > Namaste,> >> > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was born on>

> 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your mother,, I> > thought I was seeing double..> >> > warmest regards> > Sheevani> >> > , Vijayanarasimha H> > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shreenadhji,> > >> > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but even> > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year length,> > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and on Oct> > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and after that> > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to end for> > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace she was>

> brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now. My> > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha during> > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower portion> > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were> > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from 1968 to> > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero> > income, living in a small house, father working day and night and> > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-laws,> > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a> > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, father> > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, etc> > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a very> > good house life. Now, since

saturn is in 3rd house, she is enjoying> > life again.> > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.> > >> > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are bad> > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results to the> > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed well and> > has power.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Vijay.> > >> > >> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > I will clarify it further -> > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna> > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries> > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates> > head of the native> > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may

give> > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially Ketu)> > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period. Therefore> > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and the> > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear that the> > said period should be Ju/Ma.> > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due to> > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples that> > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year length we> > use in a practical perspective.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners -

Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)> > >> > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > ==>> > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she> > had brain-haemorrhage in> > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi> > > <==> > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries (the> > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara; please> > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana year> > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also> > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , Vijayanarasimha> > H

Pakka> > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt.> > Arjun> > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or obvious) how> > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart as> > benefic> > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get mixed> > results> > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more discussions> > we can> > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is the one> > which> > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. I would> > rather> > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has some bad> > > > placements of

other planets but has a good placement and strength> > of> > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges victorious.> > This> > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take while> > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim that a> > good> > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My mother> > has> > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had> > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter was in> > ghataka> > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she recovered> > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular tablets)> > now.> > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other> >

planets,> > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final victory> > is to> > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna thread, it> > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of jupiter in> > each> > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in lagna. Then> > we get> > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. Jupiter in> > Aries> > > > lagna, uninfluenced> > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. Jupiter in> > Aries> > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind the> > strength> > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I can say> > it> > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases

Anyway, as a> > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with> > jupiter's> > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an important> > footnote to> > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and> > placement of> > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / or any> > other> > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on jupiter's> > effects in> > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when influenced by> > other> > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it difficult> > to> > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my lagna> > has> > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>> > > > > Hare

ramakrishna ,> > > > > dear maligere ji ,> > > > >> > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu ( in> > north its> > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to single jup> > in> > > > lagna how is it possible .> > > > >> > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the houses> > involved> > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u hav to> > giv us> > > > feed back ) .> > > > >> > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi> > balavasta or> > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak house then> > merc (> > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th dasa

(> > another> > > > maraka place ) ,> > > > >> > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??> > > > >> > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .> > > > >> > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other influnces r> > there .> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "M.A" maligere@> > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji> > > > > >> > > > > > This is the details of a

person who has jupiter in lagna, i> > have not> > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this> > thread for> > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties in> > life, his> > > > health is also nothing to boast about.> > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an> > attractive> > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and> > espectable> > > > name"> > > > > >> > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen in this> > > > persons life> > > > > >> > > > > > Name : Sreenivas> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > September 9, 1958> > > > > > Time: 10:10:00

am> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00", 13 N 00' 00"> > > > > > Hassan, India> > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana> > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)> > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)> > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)> > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)> > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)> > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)> > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)> > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am> > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm> > >

> > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618> > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29> > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanx n' rgds> > > > > > Maligere> > > > > >> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > dear pundit ji ,> > > > > >> > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -laksham> > dosham> > > > guru hanti .> > > > > >> > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted to> > know more> > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool> > trikon sign> > > > also 8th

house .> > > > > >> > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar ji is> > taurus> > > > lagna .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > , "panditarjun2004"> > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear vijayji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the natives> > with> > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your

database is informative and> > > > appreciated.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people with> > jupiter> > > > in> > > > > > > lagna are as follows:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar> > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV> > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata> > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao> > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo> > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati> > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi> > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar> > > > > > > 9. emperor

aurangazeb> > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza> > > > > > >> > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime> > minsiters,> > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and even> > saints.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an> > attractive> > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and> > > > respectable> > > > > > > name.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if not all> > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna by> > sitting> > > > in> > > > >

> > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 houses (one> > > > quadrant> > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails earlier,> > jupiter> > > > is> > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all the> > three> > > > > > > houses he aspect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by lord shiva to> > jupiter> > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams.> > > > > > >> > > > >

> > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , "Vijay"> > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but its> > really> > > > great> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru most of> > them> > > > and> > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files

section> > of this> > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding Jupiter in> > Lagna I> > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some> > interesting> > > > cases.> > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and their> > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in their> > life,> > > > because> > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to do> > with the> > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their lives we> > have to> > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the scope of> > the> > > > > > > present> > >

> > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me about their> > > > > > > characters.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and political> > > > problems> > > > > > > > in job):> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E,> > 13.40.N.> > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer and very> > > > dynamic> > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just honest> > (which is> > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political persons and> > even> > > > got>

> > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how to> > control> > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent but> > at the> > > > same> > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th house). He> > said> > > > he> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and he is> > also> > > > not> > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a primary> > school> > > > > > > teacher> > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He seems to> > be> > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was workoholic

he> > had> > > > health> > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published a> > poetry> > > > book> > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was astonished,> > even I> > > > was> > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really> > astonishing, very> > > > > > > clear> > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel he is> > really> > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.> > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a> > > >

professional> > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will, seeing> > not> > > > only> > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But> > character> > > > wise,> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since there> > isnt> > > > any> > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he is very> > > > > > > righteous,> > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents said> > indeed he> > > > was> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much respects all> > > > > > > >

traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter dasha, he> > didnt> > > > have> > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays> > tabla at> > > > > > > various> > > > > > > > competitions.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of> > Legislative> > > > > > > > Council),> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), but my> > mother> > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and he went> > to> > > > > > > politics> > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became

MLC). He is widely known by public> > to be> > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely> > opposite, that> > > > he> > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity works, and> > sincere> > > > to> > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into> > tears. He> > > > said> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was very> > sincere.> > > > He> > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real estate> > business> > > > and> > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people thought> > he made> > > >

all> > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also uneducated. He> > is not> > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone and> > also does> > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But since> > Moon is in> > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech and> > has good> > > > > > > mind.> > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because Mars in> > own> > > > house> > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his> > enemies in> > > > real-> > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its interesting to> > see> > > >

that> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > is not well educated.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:> > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet and> > > > dignified> > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned person.> > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.> > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education though).> > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, speech,> > poetry,> > > > etc),> > > > > > > > though not like venus.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,>

> > > > > > > Vijay.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In> > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in> > Lagna. The> > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. Arjun ji> > and> > > > > > > Srinivas> > > > > > > > ji.> > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of Jupiter> > and its> > > > > > > power> > >

> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in Lagna. Try> > to> > > > argue> > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results with> > your own> > > > or> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the discussion> > with> > > > minimum> > > > > > > > inputs> > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-> > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would be> > versatile> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches such as -> >

> > > > > Vyakarana,> > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in Cancer the> > said> > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.> > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have good> > longevity> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.> > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic planets or> > in> > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he would> > be> > > > > > > > interested in> > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity - middle> > age,> >

> > too> > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his> > relatives or> > > > the> > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words> > against good> > > > > > > > people,> > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.> > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. Hurah,> > to the> > > > > > > > thread of> > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >>

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February 8, 2008

Dear Vijay ji,

You are right. Thanks for the data provided.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, Vijayanarasimha H Pakka

<hpvijaynarasimha wrote:

>

> Dear Shreenadhji,

>

> Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but even after

change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year length, I get

the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and on Oct 8th, she

had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and after that it was hell

for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to end for all of us, and

due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace she was brought back to

normal life and we all are a happy family now. My life changed after

that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha during that time. She was

expecting something to happen to her lower portion of the body during

operation (rahu representing legs). We were expecting something bad

because during Rahu mahadasha, from 1968 to 1986 (especially 1976-1986),

life was hell for my parents (zero income, living in a small house,

father working day and night and cheated by work partners, mother

terribly illtreated from in-laws, had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to

a

> good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, father had a

very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, etc (she was

running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a very good house

life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is enjoying life again.

> DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.

>

> The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are bad (like

rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results to the native

in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed well and has power.

>

> Regards,

> Vijay.

>

> Sreenadh sreesog wrote:

> Dear Vijay ji,

> I will clarify it further -

> - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna

> - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries

> - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates head of the

native

> Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may give

disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially Ketu) it

could even give a minor heart attack in that period. Therefore

considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and the

repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear that the said

period should be Ju/Ma.

> And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due to the

use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples that helps us

to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year length we use in a

practical perspective.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " Sreenadh " sreesog@

wrote:

> Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)

>

> Dear Vijay ji,

> ==>

> > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she

had brain-haemorrhage in

> > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi

> <==

> This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries (the head

of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara; please use CHari

Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana year and let me

know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also please inform where

Mars is placed in the chart.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

> >

> > , Vijayanarasimha H

Pakka

> > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt.

Arjun

> > ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or obvious) how

> > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart as

benefic

> > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get mixed results

> > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more discussions we

can

> > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is the one

which

> > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. I would

rather

> > say from experience that, if for example the native has some bad

> > placements of other planets but has a good placement and strength of

> > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges victorious.

This

> > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take while

> > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim that a good

> > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My mother has

> > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had

> > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter was in

ghataka

> > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she recovered

> > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular tablets)

now.

> > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other planets,

> > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final victory is

to

> > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna thread, it

> > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of jupiter in

each

> > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in lagna. Then we

get

> > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. Jupiter in Aries

> > lagna, uninfluenced

> > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. Jupiter in Aries

> > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind the

strength

> > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I can say it

> > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases Anyway, as a

> > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with

jupiter's

> > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an important footnote

to

> > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and placement

of

> > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / or any

other

> > member throw some light (along with any verses) on jupiter's effects

in

> > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when influenced by other

> > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it difficult to

> > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my lagna has

> > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>

> > > Hare ramakrishna ,

> > > dear maligere ji ,

> > >

> > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu ( in north

its

> > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to single jup in

> > lagna how is it possible .

> > >

> > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the houses

involved

> > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u hav to giv

us

> > feed back ) .

> > >

> > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi balavasta

or

> > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak house then

merc (

> > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th dasa (

another

> > maraka place ) ,

> > >

> > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??

> > >

> > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .

> > >

> > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other influnces r there

..

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .

> > >

> > > , " M.A " maligere@

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji

> > > >

> > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in lagna, i have

not

> > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this thread

for

> > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties in life,

his

> > health is also nothing to boast about.

> > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an attractive

> > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and espectable

> > name "

> > > >

> > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen in this

> > persons life

> > > >

> > > > Name : Sreenivas

> > > > Natal Chart

> > > > September 9, 1958

> > > > Time: 10:10:00 am

> > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00 " , 13 N 00' 00 "

> > > > Hassan, India

> > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana

> > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)

> > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)

> > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)

> > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)

> > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)

> > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)

> > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)

> > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)

> > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am

> > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm

> > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618

> > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29

> > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15

> > > >

> > > > Thanx n' rgds

> > > > Maligere

> > > >

> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > > > dear pundit ji ,

> > > >

> > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -laksham

dosham

> > guru hanti .

> > > >

> > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted to know

more

> > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool trikon

sign

> > also 8th house .

> > > >

> > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar ji is

taurus

> > lagna .

> > > >

> > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > >

> > > > ,

" panditarjun2004 "

> > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > dear vijayji

> > > > >

> > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the natives

with

> > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative and

> > appreciated.

> > > > >

> > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people with

jupiter

> > in

> > > > > lagna are as follows:

> > > > >

> > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar

> > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV

> > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata

> > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao

> > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo

> > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati

> > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi

> > > > > 8. emperor akbar

> > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb

> > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza

> > > > >

> > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime

minsiters,

> > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and even

saints.

> > > > >

> > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an attractive

> > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and

> > respectable

> > > > > name.

> > > > >

> > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if not all

> > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna by

sitting

> > in

> > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 houses (one

> > quadrant

> > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.

> > > > >

> > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails earlier,

jupiter

> > is

> > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all the

three

> > > > > houses he aspect.

> > > > >

> > > > > the title " jeeva " or enlivener is granted by lord shiva to

jupiter

> > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.

> > > > >

> > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams.

> > > > >

> > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Vijay "

> > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but its really

> > great

> > > > > to

> > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru most of

them

> > and

> > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files section of

this

> > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding Jupiter in

Lagna I

> > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some interesting

> > cases.

> > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and their

> > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in their life,

> > because

> > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to do with

the

> > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their lives we have

to

> > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the scope of the

> > > > > present

> > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me about their

> > > > > characters.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and political

> > problems

> > > > > > in job):

> > > > > >

> > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E, 13.40.N.

> > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer and very

> > dynamic

> > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just honest

(which is

> > > > > why

> > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political persons and

even

> > got

> > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how to

control

> > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent but at

the

> > same

> > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th house). He

said

> > he

> > > > > is

> > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and he is

also

> > not

> > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a primary school

> > > > > teacher

> > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He seems to be

> > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was workoholic he had

> > health

> > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published a poetry

> > book

> > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was astonished, even

I

> > was

> > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really astonishing,

very

> > > > > clear

> > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel he is

really

> > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.

> > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a

> > professional

> > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will, seeing not

> > only

> > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But character

> > wise,

> > > > > he

> > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since there

isnt

> > any

> > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he is very

> > > > > righteous,

> > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents said indeed

he

> > was

> > > > > a

> > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much respects all

> > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter dasha, he

didnt

> > have

> > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays tabla

at

> > > > > various

> > > > > > competitions.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of

Legislative

> > > > > > Council),

> > > > > >

> > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), but my

mother

> > > > > said

> > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and he went to

> > > > > politics

> > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by public to

be

> > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely opposite,

that

> > he

> > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity works, and

sincere

> > to

> > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into tears.

He

> > said

> > > > > he

> > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was very

sincere.

> > He

> > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real estate

business

> > and

> > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people thought he

made

> > all

> > > > > > that money in politics since he was also uneducated. He is

not

> > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone and also

does

> > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But since Moon

is in

> > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech and has

good

> > > > > mind.

> > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because Mars in

own

> > house

> > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his enemies

in

> > real-

> > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its interesting to

see

> > that

> > > > > he

> > > > > > is not well educated.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:

> > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet and

> > dignified

> > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned person.

> > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.

> > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education though).

> > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, speech,

poetry,

> > etc),

> > > > > > though not like venus.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Vijay.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in Lagna.

The

> > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. Arjun ji and

> > > > > Srinivas

> > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of Jupiter and

its

> > > > > power

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in Lagna. Try to

> > argue

> > > > > > against

> > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results with your

own

> > or

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the discussion with

> > minimum

> > > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-

> > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would be

versatile

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches such as -

> > > > > Vyakarana,

> > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in Cancer the

said

> > > > > results

> > > > > > > will happen for sure.

> > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have good

longevity

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.

> > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic planets or in

> > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he would be

> > > > > > interested in

> > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity - middle

age,

> > too

> > > > > much

> > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his relatives

or

> > the

> > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words against

good

> > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.

> > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. Hurah, to

the

> > > > > > thread of

> > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji.

> > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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February 8, 2008

Dear Sunilji,

Namaste ji,

Thank you for your analysis of the chart..

My personal views are that Rahu mahadasha was the hardest period for

him, lots of frustrations and health problems,, also the period he

started drinking..

Jupiter MD, so far has been his best period, he was happier in

himself and got his Law degree..

Regarding his drinking habits,, although like all alcoholics it

started with drinking on a daily basis,, but later( 1990's onwards)

it was more 'binge drinking' meaning he wud not touch alcohol for

many months or even a year or two, then when problems arise,, he

would drink heavily for all day for a week or so and ends up in

hospital. His last drinking episode was in 2006..

One question, if I may? what in his horoscope denied him of

children,, he loves children very much.

Many thanks

Warmest regards

Sheevani

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna ,

>

> dear shivani ji .

>

> I was realy studying the chart with various options and its

realay a

> interesting chart which reveals almost all astro principles known

to me

> .

>

> Nativ has shoola yoga ( sapta grahas in 3 signs) and a spoiled gaja

> kesary yoga .

>

> All most all benefic dasas to lagna has passed already and now sani

s

> dasa running who is debilated in amsa .

>

> rahu in 8th house and sani is debilated (also combust )as 7th Lord (

> both contributed a divorse ) also 9th Lord jup in own house and

vakra

> .venus the karaka for marriage afflicted heavily .MOOn is weak as

shukla

> prathama and nite birth .so lagna lord is also weak .

>

> also 2nd house and Lord and karaka ( jup ) afflicted given him

bad

> habbits regrds to drinking as affliction in 2nd house .

>

> also affected in earning same is with 4th house

>

> 9th Lord is strong in chart so may be reasons for dependable source

of

> support from father .

>

> coming periods of rahu and jupiter may giv him some work i hope tho

main

> period lord is weak .

>

> also sadesati going on and sani goin tru a weak rasi .also next

maha of

> merc also weak to deliver good results .

>

> 9th Lord of dharma is strong ,so praying vishnu will help him if he

can

> reduce drinking habbits .

>

> regrds sunil nair .

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, " sheevani147 "

> <sheevani147@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil ji.

> >

> > Namaste.

> >

> > Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events

in

> > his life..

> >

> > Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,

> > time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)

> > POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!

> > Lagna is cancer..

> >

> > He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very

> > intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which

> > subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really

> > very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken

and

> > written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.

> >

> > After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in

> > 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in

> > rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams

but

> > didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had

> > lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered

money

> > and had health issues..

> >

> > Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got

> > married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in

sucession

> > due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..

> >

> > In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989.

> > Started his baristership training but did not complete it.

Returned

> > home in 1991.

> >

> > Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons..

> > Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during

childbirth..

> >

> > After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife and

> > finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in 2007,

> > got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with

parents,

> > looking after them.

> >

> > No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life..

> > Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever

> > things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did

> > work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally

not

> > been very lucky..

> >

> > He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking

> > habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very

> > spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks

after

> > his parents well.

> >

> > Warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > >

> > > dear shivani ji ,

> > >

> > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known

> > details

> > > to the grp .

> > >

> > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh

patra

> > > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a

feamale

> > and

> > > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know

how

> > and

> > > what realy happened .

> > >

> > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film

> > producer

> > > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very

beutiful

> > delhi

> > > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to

know

> > when

> > > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some

> > relativ

> > > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un

successful

> > lov

> > > marriage and divorce .

> > >

> > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in

> > daily

> > > entry books .

> > >

> > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and

> > comparisons

> > > if possible .

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > > , " sheevani147 "

> > > <sheevani147@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Namaste,

> > > >

> > > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was

born

> > on

> > > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your

mother,, I

> > > > thought I was seeing double..

> > > >

> > > > warmest regards

> > > > Sheevani

> > > >

> > > > ,

Vijayanarasimha H

> > > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but

even

> > > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year

> > length,

> > > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and

on

> > Oct

> > > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and

after

> > that

> > > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to

end

> > for

> > > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace

she

> > was

> > > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family

now. My

> > > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha

> > during

> > > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower

> > portion

> > > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were

> > > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from

1968

> > to

> > > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents

(zero

> > > > income, living in a small house, father working day and night

and

> > > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-

laws,

> > > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a

> > > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished,

father

> > > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry,

etc

> > > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a

> > very

> > > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is

> > enjoying

> > > > life again.

> > > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.

> > > > >

> > > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are

bad

> > > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good

results to

> > the

> > > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed

well

> > and

> > > > has power.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Vijay.

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > > > I will clarify it further -

> > > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna

> > > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries

> > > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates

> > > > head of the native

> > > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may

give

> > > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially

> > Ketu)

> > > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period.

Therefore

> > > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and

the

> > > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear

that

> > the

> > > > said period should be Ju/Ma.

> > > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong,

due to

> > > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples

> > that

> > > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year

length we

> > > > use in a practical perspective.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > > > ==>

> > > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in

8th,

> > she

> > > > had brain-haemorrhage in

> > > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi

> > > > > <==

> > > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries

(the

> > > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara;

> > please

> > > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day

Savana

> > year

> > > > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not.

Also

> > > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > Vijayanarasimha

> > > > H Pakka

> > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread

owners -

> > Pt.

> > > > Arjun

> > > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or

obvious)

> > how

> > > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the

chart as

> > > > benefic

> > > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get

mixed

> > > > results

> > > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more

> > discussions

> > > > we can

> > > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is

the

> > one

> > > > which

> > > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc.

I

> > would

> > > > rather

> > > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has

some

> > bad

> > > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and

> > strength

> > > > of

> > > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges

> > victorious.

> > > > This

> > > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take

> > while

> > > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim

that

> > a

> > > > good

> > > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My

> > mother

> > > > has

> > > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had

> > > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter

was

> > in

> > > > ghataka

> > > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she

recovered

> > > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular

> > tablets)

> > > > now.

> > > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some

other

> > > > planets,

> > > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final

> > victory

> > > > is to

> > > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna

thread,

> > it

> > > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of

> > jupiter in

> > > > each

> > > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in

lagna.

> > Then

> > > > we get

> > > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1.

Jupiter in

> > > > Aries

> > > > > > lagna, uninfluenced

> > > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3.

Jupiter in

> > > > Aries

> > > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind

the

> > > > strength

> > > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I

can

> > say

> > > > it

> > > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases

Anyway,

> > as a

> > > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up

with

> > > > jupiter's

> > > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an

important

> > > > footnote to

> > > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and

> > > > placement of

> > > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji /

or

> > any

> > > > other

> > > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on

jupiter's

> > > > effects in

> > > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when

influenced by

> > > > other

> > > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it

> > difficult

> > > > to

> > > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my

> > lagna

> > > > has

> > > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>

> > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,

> > > > > > > dear maligere ji ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu

( in

> > > > north its

> > > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to

single

> > jup

> > > > in

> > > > > > lagna how is it possible .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the

houses

> > > > involved

> > > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u

hav

> > to

> > > > giv us

> > > > > > feed back ) .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi

> > > > balavasta or

> > > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak

house

> > then

> > > > merc (

> > > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th

> > dasa (

> > > > another

> > > > > > maraka place ) ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other

influnces r

> > > > there .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > , " M.A "

> > maligere@

> > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in

lagna,

> > i

> > > > have not

> > > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in

this

> > > > thread for

> > > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but

difficulties in

> > > > life, his

> > > > > > health is also nothing to boast about.

> > > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an

> > > > attractive

> > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and

> > > > espectable

> > > > > > name "

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have

seen in

> > this

> > > > > > persons life

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas

> > > > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > September 9, 1958

> > > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am

> > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00 " , 13 N 00' 00 "

> > > > > > > > Hassan, India

> > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana

> > > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)

> > > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)

> > > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)

> > > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)

> > > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)

> > > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)

> > > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)

> > > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)

> > > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am

> > > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm

> > > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618

> > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29

> > > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds

> > > > > > > > Maligere

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > > > > > > > dear pundit ji ,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -

> > laksham

> > > > dosham

> > > > > > guru hanti .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i

wanted to

> > > > know more

> > > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his

mool

> > > > trikon sign

> > > > > > also 8th house .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha

mangeshwar ji

> > is

> > > > taurus

> > > > > > lagna .

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > dear vijayji

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the

> > natives

> > > > with

> > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative

and

> > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people

with

> > > > jupiter

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > lagna are as follows:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar

> > > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV

> > > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata

> > > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao

> > > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo

> > > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati

> > > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi

> > > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar

> > > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb

> > > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas,

prime

> > > > minsiters,

> > > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and

> > even

> > > > saints.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an

> > > > attractive

> > > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life,

courageous and

> > > > > > respectable

> > > > > > > > > name.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if

> > not all

> > > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils

lagna by

> > > > sitting

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9

houses

> > (one

> > > > > > quadrant

> > > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails

earlier,

> > > > jupiter

> > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on

all

> > the

> > > > three

> > > > > > > > > houses he aspect.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > the title " jeeva " or enlivener is granted by lord

shiva

> > to

> > > > jupiter

> > > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh

doshams.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, " Vijay "

> > > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but

its

> > > > really

> > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru

> > most of

> > > > them

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files

> > section

> > > > of this

> > > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding

Jupiter

> > in

> > > > Lagna I

> > > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some

> > > > interesting

> > > > > > cases.

> > > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and

> > their

> > > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in

their

> > > > life,

> > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little

to do

> > > > with the

> > > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their

lives

> > we

> > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the

scope

> > of

> > > > the

> > > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me

about

> > their

> > > > > > > > > characters.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and

> > political

> > > > > > problems

> > > > > > > > > > in job):

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E,

> > > > 13.40.N.

> > > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer

and

> > very

> > > > > > dynamic

> > > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just

honest

> > > > (which is

> > > > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political

persons

> > and

> > > > even

> > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows

how to

> > > > control

> > > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very

decent

> > but

> > > > at the

> > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th

> > house). He

> > > > said

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest

and he

> > is

> > > > also

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a

primary

> > > > school

> > > > > > > > > teacher

> > > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He

> > seems to

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was

workoholic

> > he

> > > > had

> > > > > > health

> > > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has

published a

> > > > poetry

> > > > > > book

> > > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was

> > astonished,

> > > > even I

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really

> > > > astonishing, very

> > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you

feel he

> > is

> > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.

> > > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will

join a

> > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will,

> > seeing

> > > > not

> > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But

> > > > character

> > > > > > wise,

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since

> > there

> > > > isnt

> > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he

is

> > very

> > > > > > > > > righteous,

> > > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents

said

> > > > indeed he

> > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much

> > respects all

> > > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter

dasha,

> > he

> > > > didnt

> > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he

plays

> > > > tabla at

> > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > competitions.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of

> > > > Legislative

> > > > > > > > > > Council),

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP),

but

> > my

> > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and

he

> > went

> > > > to

> > > > > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by

> > public

> > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely

> > > > opposite, that

> > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity

works,

> > and

> > > > sincere

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went

into

> > > > tears. He

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was

very

> > > > sincere.

> > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real

estate

> > > > business

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people

> > thought

> > > > he made

> > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also

uneducated.

> > He

> > > > is not

> > > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects

everyone and

> > > > also does

> > > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But

since

> > > > Moon is in

> > > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in

speech and

> > > > has good

> > > > > > > > > mind.

> > > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because

> > Mars in

> > > > own

> > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with

his

> > > > enemies in

> > > > > > real-

> > > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its

> > interesting to

> > > > see

> > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > is not well educated.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:

> > > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have

sweet

> > and

> > > > > > dignified

> > > > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned

> > person.

> > > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.

> > > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education

> > though).

> > > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music,

speech,

> > > > poetry,

> > > > > > etc),

> > > > > > > > > > though not like venus.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Vijay.

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter

in

> > > > Lagna. The

> > > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt.

Arjun

> > ji

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > > Srinivas

> > > > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of

> > Jupiter

> > > > and its

> > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in

Lagna.

> > Try

> > > > to

> > > > > > argue

> > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results

> > with

> > > > your own

> > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the

discussion

> > > > with

> > > > > > minimum

> > > > > > > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-

> > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native

would be

> > > > versatile

> > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches

such

> > as -

> > > > > > > > > Vyakarana,

> > > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in

Cancer

> > the

> > > > said

> > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.

> > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have

good

> > > > longevity

> > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.

> > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic

> > planets or

> > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house -

he

> > would

> > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > interested in

> > > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity -

> > middle

> > > > age,

> > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his

> > > > relatives or

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words

> > > > against good

> > > > > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.

> > > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric..

> > Hurah,

> > > > to the

> > > > > > > > > > thread of

> > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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February 8, 2008

Dear Sunilji, Krishnamurthyji, Sheevaniji,Nice to hear that sheevaniji's brother has similar chart to that of my mother's. But I am sorry to hear what he had to go thru in his life, I wish him all the best for his future. I went thru all the details given by sheevaniji, but it would be interesting to know that my mother had a completely different life except for some similarities:Differences:1. She is very pious, and very soft right from childhood till now. No habits of drinking, etc. She hates people who have such habits. She is extremely emotional and sensitive. She is extremely patient and never gets angry, even at big blunders committed by people.2. Her education was fantastic. Right from childhood, she was called the superkid with respect to studies. She stood first in languages, maths, science, etc. She stood first in the university in BSc, Msc (Maths). (Till now, her record marks in mathematics hasnt been beaten). Her memory power is

excellent.3. She married at 22 yrs and it was an arranged marriage. She is completely devoted to my father, and inspite of inlaws terribly illtreating her, she has solidly stood by my father through out. Infact, she wont allow anyone to abuse her inlaws. She is very spiritual.4. Except for the period between 1976 - 1986 (Rahu Dasha), her life is wonderful. She is very happy with family and no financial troubles or family troubles. 5. She is now running Saturn Dasha, and she is constantly travelling abroad (twice every year) and enjoying life with my father and grandchildren. She has become over spiritual and detached from material life. Similarities:1. She has very good communication skills.2. The age difference between my parents is almost 11 years.3. She too tried her hand at work (teaching at engg college for 1 year), but had to leave it for children's future, hence no success in career, i.e., no income from job.Looking at the

planetary positions between sheevaniji's brother's chart and my mother's chart, its very difficult to immediately come to conclusions based solely on main chart. Looking at divisional charts is very important, as all yogas are applicable to both natives, but still both have almost extreme lives. Also another point to look in main charts are the degrees between various planets and between planets and lagna. (For example, if distance between lagna and a planet, especially dasha lord is 60 degrees its very good in that dasha). Anyway, nice examples to ponder on.Regards,Vijay.Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: Dear Sheevani ji, That was a good detailed portrait of your brother. I would like to share my observations: 1. Though jupiter is in its own house in Rasi (that too in the 9th!) and in a friendly house in Navamsha, it would be mostly mixed results because of the following negatives: - Jup is retrograde - Jup is in the nakshatra of Saturn - Jup is aspected by malefics Saturn and Mars, Sun - One consolation is that Mars is the yogakaraka among the above malefics - Gajakesari Yoga does not work here as Jupiter is retrograde and Moon is combust 2. Because of the above reasons though Jupiter is aspecting Lagna, the native seem to have lived a turbulant life, even during Jupiter MD. 3. Karaka of Mind Moon, who is also the lagna lord, is combust. Hence, the native might have got into drinking problem as his 2nd house falls into RKA axis. Note that the problem has started in Rau MD. The problem has either started in Rahu-Ketu period of Rahu-Venus period. Both Venus and Ketu occupy 2nd house. 4. It is interesting to note that both Sat and Moon occupy UL. Rahu is disposited by Saturn. & th lord Saturn is with 3rd lord Mercury in the 3rd house. It clearly indicates a possibility of love marraige and a good possibility of the spouse having a big age difference. What was the age difference with his second wife? That appears to be a love marriage as it took place during Sat-Mer period. Please clarify. 5. He seems to have a poor career. Notice that in D10 Ra/Ke are in kendras to lagna 6. His 10th lord from Rasi is in Venus Navamsha.

Venus is with Mars in Rasi aspecting Jupiter. That might explain his studying Law and completing it in Jup-Mars period! Note that in D24 Jup and Mars are in trines to each other. Regards, Krishnasheevani147 <sheevani147 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Sunil ji.Namaste.Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events in his life..Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!Lagna is cancer..He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both

spoken and written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams but didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered money and had health issues..Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in sucession due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989. Started his baristership training but did not complete it. Returned home in 1991.Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons..Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during childbirth..After death of

child, constant fights between husband and wife and finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in 2007, got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with parents, looking after them.No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life..Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally not been very lucky..He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks after his parents well.Warmest regardsSheevani , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala

wrote:>> > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > dear shivani ji ,> > > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known details> to the grp .> > > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh patra> principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a feamale and> place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know how and> what realy happened .> > > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film producer> and business man from south and other is a unmarried very beutiful delhi> girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to know when> she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some relativ> to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un successful lov>

marriage and divorce .> > > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in daily> entry books .> > > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and comparisons> if possible .> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147"> <sheevani147@> wrote:> >> > Namaste,> >> > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was born on> > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your mother,, I> > thought I was seeing double..> >> > warmest regards> > Sheevani> >>

> , Vijayanarasimha H> > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shreenadhji,> > >> > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but even> > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year length,> > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and on Oct> > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and after that> > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to end for> > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace she was> > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now. My> > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha during> > that time. She was

expecting something to happen to her lower portion> > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were> > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from 1968 to> > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero> > income, living in a small house, father working day and night and> > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-laws,> > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a> > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, father> > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, etc> > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a very> > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is enjoying> > life again.> > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.> > >> > > The point here I

feel is that, even if malefic planets are bad> > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results to the> > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed well and> > has power.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Vijay.> > >> > >> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > I will clarify it further -> > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna> > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries> > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates> > head of the native> > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may give> > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially Ketu)> > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period. Therefore> >

considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and the> > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear that the> > said period should be Ju/Ma.> > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due to> > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples that> > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year length we> > use in a practical perspective.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)> > >> > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > ==>> > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu

in 8th, she> > had brain-haemorrhage in> > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi> > > <==> > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries (the> > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara; please> > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana year> > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also> > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , Vijayanarasimha> > H Pakka> > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt.> > Arjun> > > >

ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or obvious) how> > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart as> > benefic> > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get mixed> > results> > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more discussions> > we can> > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is the one> > which> > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. I would> > rather> > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has some bad> > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and strength> > of> > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges victorious.> > This> >

> > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take while> > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim that a> > good> > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My mother> > has> > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had> > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter was in> > ghataka> > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she recovered> > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular tablets)> > now.> > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other> > planets,> > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final victory> > is to> > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna thread,

it> > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of jupiter in> > each> > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in lagna. Then> > we get> > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. Jupiter in> > Aries> > > > lagna, uninfluenced> > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. Jupiter in> > Aries> > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind the> > strength> > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I can say> > it> > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases Anyway, as a> > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with> > jupiter's> > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an

important> > footnote to> > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and> > placement of> > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / or any> > other> > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on jupiter's> > effects in> > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when influenced by> > other> > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it difficult> > to> > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my lagna> > has> > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>> > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > > dear maligere ji ,> > > > >> > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu ( in> > north

its> > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to single jup> > in> > > > lagna how is it possible .> > > > >> > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the houses> > involved> > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u hav to> > giv us> > > > feed back ) .> > > > >> > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi> > balavasta or> > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak house then> > merc (> > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th dasa (> > another> > > > maraka place ) ,> > > > >> > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??> > > >

>> > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .> > > > >> > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other influnces r> > there .> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , "M.A" maligere@> > > > wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji> > > > > >> > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in lagna, i> > have not> > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this> > thread for> > > >

this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties in> > life, his> > > > health is also nothing to boast about.> > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an> > attractive> > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and> > espectable> > > > name"> > > > > >> > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen in this> > > > persons life> > > > > >> > > > > > Name : Sreenivas> > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > September 9, 1958> > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am> > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00", 13 N 00' 00"> > > > > > Hassan, India>

> > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana> > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)> > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)> > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)> > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)> > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)> > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)> > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)> > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am> > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm> > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618> > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29> > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15> > > > > >> >

> > > > Thanx n' rgds> > > > > > Maligere> > > > > >> > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > dear pundit ji ,> > > > > >> > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -laksham> > dosham> > > > guru hanti .> > > > > >> > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted to> > know more> > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool> > trikon sign> > > > also 8th house .> > > > > >> > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar ji is> > taurus> > > > lagna

..> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > --- In> > , "panditarjun2004"> > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear vijayji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the natives> > with> > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative and> > > > appreciated.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people

with> > jupiter> > > > in> > > > > > > lagna are as follows:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar> > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV> > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata> > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao> > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo> > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati> > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi> > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar> > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb> > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza> > > > > > >> > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas,

prime> > minsiters,> > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and even> > saints.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an> > attractive> > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and> > > > respectable> > > > > > > name.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if not all> > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna by> > sitting> > > > in> > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 houses (one> > > > quadrant> > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.>

> > > > > >> > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails earlier,> > jupiter> > > > is> > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all the> > three> > > > > > > houses he aspect.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by lord shiva to> > jupiter> > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >

> , "Vijay"> > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but its> > really> > > > great> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru most of> > them> > > > and> > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files section> > of this> > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding Jupiter in> > Lagna I> > > > > > > > searched thru

some of my database and found some> > interesting> > > > cases.> > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and their> > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in their> > life,> > > > because> > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to do> > with the> > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their lives we> > have to> > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the scope of> > the> > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me about their> > > > > > > characters.> > > > > > > >> > > > > >

> > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and political> > > > problems> > > > > > > > in job):> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E,> > 13.40.N.> > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer and very> > > > dynamic> > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just honest> > (which is> > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political persons and> > even> > > > got> > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how to> > control> > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent

but> > at the> > > > same> > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th house). He> > said> > > > he> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and he is> > also> > > > not> > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a primary> > school> > > > > > > teacher> > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He seems to> > be> > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was workoholic he> > had> > > > health> > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published a> > poetry> > > > book> >

> > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was astonished,> > even I> > > > was> > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really> > astonishing, very> > > > > > > clear> > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel he is> > really> > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.> > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a> > > > professional> > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will, seeing> > not> > > > only> > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna

but also his good sidhamsha). But> > character> > > > wise,> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since there> > isnt> > > > any> > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he is very> > > > > > > righteous,> > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents said> > indeed he> > > > was> > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much respects all> > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter dasha, he> > didnt> > > > have> > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays> >

tabla at> > > > > > > various> > > > > > > > competitions.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of> > Legislative> > > > > > > > Council),> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), but my> > mother> > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and he went> > to> > > > > > > politics> > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by public> > to be> > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely> > opposite, that> > > > he>

> > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity works, and> > sincere> > > > to> > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into> > tears. He> > > > said> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was very> > sincere.> > > > He> > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real estate> > business> > > > and> > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people thought> > he made> > > > all> > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also uneducated. He> > is not> > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects

everyone and> > also does> > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But since> > Moon is in> > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech and> > has good> > > > > > > mind.> > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because Mars in> > own> > > > house> > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his> > enemies in> > > > real-> > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its interesting to> > see> > > > that> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > is not well educated.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions

about Jupiter in Lagna:> > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet and> > > > dignified> > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned person.> > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.> > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education though).> > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, speech,> > poetry,> > > > etc),> > > > > > > > though not like venus.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Vijay.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In> > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in> > Lagna. The> > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. Arjun ji> > and> > > > > > > Srinivas> > > > > > > > ji.> > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of Jupiter> > and its> > > > > > > power> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in Lagna. Try> >

to> > > > argue> > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results with> > your own> > > > or> > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the discussion> > with> > > > minimum> > > > > > > > inputs> > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-> > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would be> > versatile> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches such as -> > > > > > > Vyakarana,> > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in Cancer

the> > said> > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.> > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have good> > longevity> > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.> > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic planets or> > in> > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he would> > be> > > > > > > > interested in> > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity - middle> > age,> > > > too> > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he

will discard his> > relatives or> > > > the> > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words> > against good> > > > > > > > people,> > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.> > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. Hurah,> > to the> > > > > > > > thread of> > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> >

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February 8, 2008

Dear Krishnaji,

Namaste..

Thank you so much for your analysis..

In response to your questions,, no my brother didnt have love

marriages,, both were arranged with his full involvement.. My first

bhabhi was well educated, very resposible, loving , caring and

hardworking individual, born and brought up in malaysia and she

fitted in with the rest of the family beautifully.. Her dominant

nature and outspokeness caused ego battles with my brother, which

became the cause of the marriage breakdown. After the divorce, she

moved to australia, and have since remarried and is happy.

My second bhabhi is attractive, uneducated, very self centred and

petty, quarellsome and very materialistic. although my brother had

proprosals from various other educated ladies etc,, he married her

because she was a widow with 2 young children.. She is about 9 years

younger than my brother. My parents wanted grandchildren, they were

happy to take on the 2 boys.. My parents moved to UK partly because

of the constant tensions in the house,, hoping that if they left my

brother to his family,, things might settle down.. but it was not to

be..

Warmest regards

Sheevani

, Krishnamurthy

Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Sheevani ji,

>

> That was a good detailed portrait of your brother. I would like

to share my observations:

>

> 1. Though jupiter is in its own house in Rasi (that too in the

9th!) and in a friendly house in Navamsha, it would be mostly mixed

results because of the following negatives:

>

> - Jup is retrograde

> - Jup is in the nakshatra of Saturn

> - Jup is aspected by malefics Saturn and Mars, Sun

> - One consolation is that Mars is the yogakaraka among the above

malefics

> - Gajakesari Yoga does not work here as Jupiter is retrograde and

Moon is combust

>

> 2. Because of the above reasons though Jupiter is aspecting

Lagna, the native seem to have lived a turbulant life, even during

Jupiter MD.

>

> 3. Karaka of Mind Moon, who is also the lagna lord, is combust.

Hence, the native might have got into drinking problem as his 2nd

house falls into RKA axis. Note that the problem has started in Rau

MD. The problem has either started in Rahu-Ketu period of Rahu-Venus

period. Both Venus and Ketu occupy 2nd house.

>

> 4. It is interesting to note that both Sat and Moon occupy UL.

Rahu is disposited by Saturn. & th lord Saturn is with 3rd lord

Mercury in the 3rd house. It clearly indicates a possibility of love

marraige and a good possibility of the spouse having a big age

difference. What was the age difference with his second wife? That

appears to be a love marriage as it took place during Sat-Mer period.

Please clarify.

>

> 5. He seems to have a poor career. Notice that in D10 Ra/Ke are

in kendras to lagna

>

> 6. His 10th lord from Rasi is in Venus Navamsha. Venus is with

Mars in Rasi aspecting Jupiter. That might explain his studying Law

and completing it in Jup-Mars period! Note that in D24 Jup and Mars

are in trines to each other.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> sheevani147 <sheevani147 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil ji.

>

> Namaste.

>

> Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events in

> his life..

>

> Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,

> time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)

> POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!

> Lagna is cancer..

>

> He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very

> intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which

> subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really

> very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken

and

> written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.

>

> After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in

> 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in

> rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams but

> didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had

> lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered

money

> and had health issues..

>

> Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got

> married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in sucession

> due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..

>

> In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989.

> Started his baristership training but did not complete it. Returned

> home in 1991.

>

> Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons..

> Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during childbirth..

>

> After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife and

> finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in 2007,

> got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with

parents,

> looking after them.

>

> No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life..

> Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever

> things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did

> work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally

not

> been very lucky..

>

> He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking

> habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very

> spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks

after

> his parents well.

>

> Warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna ,

> >

> > dear shivani ji ,

> >

> > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known

> details

> > to the grp .

> >

> > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh patra

> > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a

feamale

> and

> > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know how

> and

> > what realy happened .

> >

> > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film

> producer

> > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very

beutiful

> delhi

> > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to

know

> when

> > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some

> relativ

> > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un successful

> lov

> > marriage and divorce .

> >

> > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in

> daily

> > entry books .

> >

> > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and

> comparisons

> > if possible .

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> >

> > , " sheevani147 "

> > <sheevani147@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was

born

> on

> > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your mother,,

I

> > > thought I was seeing double..

> > >

> > > warmest regards

> > > Sheevani

> > >

> > > ,

Vijayanarasimha H

> > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but

even

> > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year

> length,

> > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and on

> Oct

> > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and after

> that

> > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to

end

> for

> > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace

she

> was

> > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now.

My

> > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha

> during

> > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower

> portion

> > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were

> > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from

1968

> to

> > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero

> > > income, living in a small house, father working day and night

and

> > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-

laws,

> > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a

> > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished,

father

> > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry,

etc

> > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a

> very

> > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is

> enjoying

> > > life again.

> > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.

> > > >

> > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are bad

> > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results

to

> the

> > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed well

> and

> > > has power.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Vijay.

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > > I will clarify it further -

> > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna

> > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries

> > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates

> > > head of the native

> > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may

give

> > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially

> Ketu)

> > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period.

Therefore

> > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and the

> > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear that

> the

> > > said period should be Ju/Ma.

> > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due

to

> > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples

> that

> > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year length

we

> > > use in a practical perspective.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > > ==>

> > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in

8th,

> she

> > > had brain-haemorrhage in

> > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi

> > > > <==

> > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries

(the

> > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara;

> please

> > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana

> year

> > > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also

> > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> Vijayanarasimha

> > > H Pakka

> > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners -

> Pt.

> > > Arjun

> > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or

obvious)

> how

> > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart

as

> > > benefic

> > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get mixed

> > > results

> > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more

> discussions

> > > we can

> > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is

the

> one

> > > which

> > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. I

> would

> > > rather

> > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has

some

> bad

> > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and

> strength

> > > of

> > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges

> victorious.

> > > This

> > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take

> while

> > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim

that

> a

> > > good

> > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My

> mother

> > > has

> > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had

> > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter

was

> in

> > > ghataka

> > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she

recovered

> > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular

> tablets)

> > > now.

> > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other

> > > planets,

> > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final

> victory

> > > is to

> > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna

thread,

> it

> > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of

> jupiter in

> > > each

> > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in

lagna.

> Then

> > > we get

> > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. Jupiter

in

> > > Aries

> > > > > lagna, uninfluenced

> > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. Jupiter

in

> > > Aries

> > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind

the

> > > strength

> > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I

can

> say

> > > it

> > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases

Anyway,

> as a

> > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with

> > > jupiter's

> > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an important

> > > footnote to

> > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and

> > > placement of

> > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / or

> any

> > > other

> > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on jupiter's

> > > effects in

> > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when influenced

by

> > > other

> > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it

> difficult

> > > to

> > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my

> lagna

> > > has

> > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>

> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,

> > > > > > dear maligere ji ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu (

in

> > > north its

> > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to

single

> jup

> > > in

> > > > > lagna how is it possible .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the

houses

> > > involved

> > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u

hav

> to

> > > giv us

> > > > > feed back ) .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi

> > > balavasta or

> > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak

house

> then

> > > merc (

> > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th

> dasa (

> > > another

> > > > > maraka place ) ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other influnces

r

> > > there .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " M.A "

> maligere@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in

lagna,

> i

> > > have not

> > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this

> > > thread for

> > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties

in

> > > life, his

> > > > > health is also nothing to boast about.

> > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an

> > > attractive

> > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and

> > > espectable

> > > > > name "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen

in

> this

> > > > > persons life

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas

> > > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > > > September 9, 1958

> > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00 " , 13 N 00' 00 "

> > > > > > > Hassan, India

> > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana

> > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)

> > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)

> > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)

> > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)

> > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)

> > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)

> > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)

> > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)

> > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am

> > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm

> > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618

> > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29

> > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds

> > > > > > > Maligere

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > > > > > > dear pundit ji ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -

> laksham

> > > dosham

> > > > > guru hanti .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted

to

> > > know more

> > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool

> > > trikon sign

> > > > > also 8th house .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar

ji

> is

> > > taurus

> > > > > lagna .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear vijayji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the

> natives

> > > with

> > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative and

> > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people

with

> > > jupiter

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > lagna are as follows:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar

> > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV

> > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata

> > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao

> > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo

> > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati

> > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi

> > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar

> > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb

> > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime

> > > minsiters,

> > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and

> even

> > > saints.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an

> > > attractive

> > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous

and

> > > > > respectable

> > > > > > > > name.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if

> not all

> > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna

by

> > > sitting

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9

houses

> (one

> > > > > quadrant

> > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails

earlier,

> > > jupiter

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all

> the

> > > three

> > > > > > > > houses he aspect.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the title " jeeva " or enlivener is granted by lord

shiva

> to

> > > jupiter

> > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

, " Vijay "

> > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but

its

> > > really

> > > > > great

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru

> most of

> > > them

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files

> section

> > > of this

> > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding

Jupiter

> in

> > > Lagna I

> > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some

> > > interesting

> > > > > cases.

> > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and

> their

> > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in

their

> > > life,

> > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to

do

> > > with the

> > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their

lives

> we

> > > have to

> > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the

scope

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me

about

> their

> > > > > > > > characters.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and

> political

> > > > > problems

> > > > > > > > > in job):

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E,

> > > 13.40.N.

> > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer

and

> very

> > > > > dynamic

> > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just

honest

> > > (which is

> > > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political

persons

> and

> > > even

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how

to

> > > control

> > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent

> but

> > > at the

> > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th

> house). He

> > > said

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and

he

> is

> > > also

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a

primary

> > > school

> > > > > > > > teacher

> > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He

> seems to

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was

workoholic

> he

> > > had

> > > > > health

> > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published

a

> > > poetry

> > > > > book

> > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was

> astonished,

> > > even I

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really

> > > astonishing, very

> > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel

he

> is

> > > really

> > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.

> > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a

> > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will,

> seeing

> > > not

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But

> > > character

> > > > > wise,

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since

> there

> > > isnt

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he

is

> very

> > > > > > > > righteous,

> > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents

said

> > > indeed he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much

> respects all

> > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter

dasha,

> he

> > > didnt

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays

> > > tabla at

> > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > competitions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of

> > > Legislative

> > > > > > > > > Council),

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP),

but

> my

> > > mother

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and

he

> went

> > > to

> > > > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by

> public

> > > to be

> > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely

> > > opposite, that

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity

works,

> and

> > > sincere

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into

> > > tears. He

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was

very

> > > sincere.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real

estate

> > > business

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people

> thought

> > > he made

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also

uneducated.

> He

> > > is not

> > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone

and

> > > also does

> > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But

since

> > > Moon is in

> > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech

and

> > > has good

> > > > > > > > mind.

> > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because

> Mars in

> > > own

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his

> > > enemies in

> > > > > real-

> > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its

> interesting to

> > > see

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > is not well educated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:

> > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet

> and

> > > > > dignified

> > > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned

> person.

> > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.

> > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education

> though).

> > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music,

speech,

> > > poetry,

> > > > > etc),

> > > > > > > > > though not like venus.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Vijay.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in

> > > Lagna. The

> > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt.

Arjun

> ji

> > > and

> > > > > > > > Srinivas

> > > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of

> Jupiter

> > > and its

> > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in

Lagna.

> Try

> > > to

> > > > > argue

> > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results

> with

> > > your own

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the

discussion

> > > with

> > > > > minimum

> > > > > > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-

> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would

be

> > > versatile

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches

such

> as -

> > > > > > > > Vyakarana,

> > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in

Cancer

> the

> > > said

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.

> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have

good

> > > longevity

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.

> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic

> planets or

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he

> would

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > interested in

> > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity -

> middle

> > > age,

> > > > > too

> > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his

> > > relatives or

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words

> > > against good

> > > > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.

> > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric..

> Hurah,

> > > to the

> > > > > > > > > thread of

> > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji.

> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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February 8, 2008

Dear Vijay ji,

Nice to learn a valuable lesson from both charts.. One person with

same combination choose to deal with life's problems with acceptance

and endurance.. the other however chose to run away from his

problems, taking the escape hatch of alcohol and not work through the

relationship problems. Free will in operation!!

As for acedemic potential,, My brother too has a brilliant almost

photographic mind. He would ace in his studies with little effort,,

but he never applied himself sincerely.. Upto 'O' levels his record

is brilliant.. thereafter he found alcohol.. When he was in UK,

living with me and my family,, he completed his law degree.

All in all , he is a kind compassionate person, just 'weak willed'

and had dad's resources to fall back upon. had many opportunities,

but did not utilise them. Being the only son, parents too were more

lenient with him.. hence he never learnt the harsh realities of life

and responsiblities.

Still my best wishes are with him, he seem to be awakening to his

responsiblities, let hope he carries on along this path of

spirituality and service..

Warmest regards

Sheevani

, Vijayanarasimha H

Pakka <hpvijaynarasimha wrote:

>

> Dear Sunilji, Krishnamurthyji, Sheevaniji,

>

> Nice to hear that sheevaniji's brother has similar chart to that of

my mother's. But I am sorry to hear what he had to go thru in his

life, I wish him all the best for his future. I went thru all the

details given by sheevaniji, but it would be interesting to know that

my mother had a completely different life except for some

similarities:

>

> Differences:

> 1. She is very pious, and very soft right from childhood till now.

No habits of drinking, etc. She hates people who have such habits.

She is extremely emotional and sensitive. She is extremely patient

and never gets angry, even at big blunders committed by people.

> 2. Her education was fantastic. Right from childhood, she was

called the superkid with respect to studies. She stood first in

languages, maths, science, etc. She stood first in the university in

BSc, Msc (Maths). (Till now, her record marks in mathematics hasnt

been beaten). Her memory power is excellent.

> 3. She married at 22 yrs and it was an arranged marriage. She is

completely devoted to my father, and inspite of inlaws terribly

illtreating her, she has solidly stood by my father through out.

Infact, she wont allow anyone to abuse her inlaws. She is very

spiritual.

> 4. Except for the period between 1976 - 1986 (Rahu Dasha), her life

is wonderful. She is very happy with family and no financial troubles

or family troubles.

> 5. She is now running Saturn Dasha, and she is constantly

travelling abroad (twice every year) and enjoying life with my father

and grandchildren. She has become over spiritual and detached from

material life.

>

> Similarities:

> 1. She has very good communication skills.

> 2. The age difference between my parents is almost 11 years.

> 3. She too tried her hand at work (teaching at engg college for 1

year), but had to leave it for children's future, hence no success in

career, i.e., no income from job.

>

> Looking at the planetary positions between sheevaniji's brother's

chart and my mother's chart, its very difficult to immediately come

to conclusions based solely on main chart. Looking at divisional

charts is very important, as all yogas are applicable to both

natives, but still both have almost extreme lives. Also another point

to look in main charts are the degrees between various planets and

between planets and lagna. (For example, if distance between lagna

and a planet, especially dasha lord is 60 degrees its very good in

that dasha). Anyway, nice examples to ponder on.

>

> Regards,

> Vijay.

>

> Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998

wrote:

> Dear Sheevani ji,

>

> That was a good detailed portrait of your brother. I would like

to share my observations:

>

> 1. Though jupiter is in its own house in Rasi (that too in the

9th!) and in a friendly house in Navamsha, it would be mostly mixed

results because of the following negatives:

>

> - Jup is retrograde

> - Jup is in the nakshatra of Saturn

> - Jup is aspected by malefics Saturn and Mars, Sun

> - One consolation is that Mars is the yogakaraka among the above

malefics

> - Gajakesari Yoga does not work here as Jupiter is retrograde and

Moon is combust

>

> 2. Because of the above reasons though Jupiter is aspecting

Lagna, the native seem to have lived a turbulant life, even during

Jupiter MD.

>

> 3. Karaka of Mind Moon, who is also the lagna lord, is combust.

Hence, the native might have got into drinking problem as his 2nd

house falls into RKA axis. Note that the problem has started in Rau

MD. The problem has either started in Rahu-Ketu period of Rahu-Venus

period. Both Venus and Ketu occupy 2nd house.

>

> 4. It is interesting to note that both Sat and Moon occupy UL.

Rahu is disposited by Saturn. & th lord Saturn is with 3rd lord

Mercury in the 3rd house. It clearly indicates a possibility of love

marraige and a good possibility of the spouse having a big age

difference. What was the age difference with his second wife? That

appears to be a love marriage as it took place during Sat-Mer period.

Please clarify.

>

> 5. He seems to have a poor career. Notice that in D10 Ra/Ke are

in kendras to lagna

>

> 6. His 10th lord from Rasi is in Venus Navamsha. Venus is with

Mars in Rasi aspecting Jupiter. That might explain his studying Law

and completing it in Jup-Mars period! Note that in D24 Jup and Mars

are in trines to each other.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> sheevani147 <sheevani147 wrote:

>

> Dear Sunil ji.

>

> Namaste.

>

> Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events in

> his life..

>

> Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,

> time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)

> POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!

> Lagna is cancer..

>

> He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very

> intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which

> subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really

> very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken

and

> written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.

>

> After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in

> 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in

> rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams but

> didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had

> lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered

money

> and had health issues..

>

> Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got

> married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in sucession

> due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..

>

> In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989.

> Started his baristership training but did not complete it.

Returned

> home in 1991.

>

> Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons..

> Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during childbirth..

>

> After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife and

> finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in 2007,

> got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with

parents,

> looking after them.

>

> No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life..

> Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever

> things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did

> work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally

not

> been very lucky..

>

> He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking

> habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very

> spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks

after

> his parents well.

>

> Warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

> , " sunil nair "

> <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> >

> > Hare rama krishna ,

> >

> > dear shivani ji ,

> >

> > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known

> details

> > to the grp .

> >

> > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh patra

> > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a

feamale

> and

> > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know how

> and

> > what realy happened .

> >

> > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film

> producer

> > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very

beutiful

> delhi

> > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to

know

> when

> > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some

> relativ

> > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un successful

> lov

> > marriage and divorce .

> >

> > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in

> daily

> > entry books .

> >

> > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and

> comparisons

> > if possible .

> >

> > regrds sunil nair

> >

> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> >

> > , " sheevani147 "

> > <sheevani147@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Namaste,

> > >

> > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was

born

> on

> > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your

mother,, I

> > > thought I was seeing double..

> > >

> > > warmest regards

> > > Sheevani

> > >

> > > ,

Vijayanarasimha H

> > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but

even

> > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year

> length,

> > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and on

> Oct

> > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and after

> that

> > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to

end

> for

> > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace

she

> was

> > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now.

My

> > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha

> during

> > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower

> portion

> > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were

> > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from

1968

> to

> > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero

> > > income, living in a small house, father working day and night

and

> > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-

laws,

> > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a

> > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished,

father

> > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry,

etc

> > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a

> very

> > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is

> enjoying

> > > life again.

> > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.

> > > >

> > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are bad

> > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results

to

> the

> > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed well

> and

> > > has power.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Vijay.

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > > I will clarify it further -

> > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna

> > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries

> > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates

> > > head of the native

> > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may

give

> > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially

> Ketu)

> > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period.

Therefore

> > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and the

> > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear that

> the

> > > said period should be Ju/Ma.

> > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due

to

> > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples

> that

> > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year length

we

> > > use in a practical perspective.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > > ==>

> > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in

8th,

> she

> > > had brain-haemorrhage in

> > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi

> > > > <==

> > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries

(the

> > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara;

> please

> > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana

> year

> > > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also

> > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > ,

> Vijayanarasimha

> > > H Pakka

> > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners -

> Pt.

> > > Arjun

> > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or

obvious)

> how

> > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart

as

> > > benefic

> > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get mixed

> > > results

> > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more

> discussions

> > > we can

> > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is

the

> one

> > > which

> > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. I

> would

> > > rather

> > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has

some

> bad

> > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and

> strength

> > > of

> > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges

> victorious.

> > > This

> > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take

> while

> > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim

that

> a

> > > good

> > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My

> mother

> > > has

> > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had

> > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter

was

> in

> > > ghataka

> > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she

recovered

> > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular

> tablets)

> > > now.

> > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other

> > > planets,

> > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final

> victory

> > > is to

> > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna

thread,

> it

> > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of

> jupiter in

> > > each

> > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in

lagna.

> Then

> > > we get

> > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. Jupiter

in

> > > Aries

> > > > > lagna, uninfluenced

> > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. Jupiter

in

> > > Aries

> > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind

the

> > > strength

> > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I

can

> say

> > > it

> > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases

Anyway,

> as a

> > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with

> > > jupiter's

> > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an important

> > > footnote to

> > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and

> > > placement of

> > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / or

> any

> > > other

> > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on jupiter's

> > > effects in

> > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when influenced

by

> > > other

> > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it

> difficult

> > > to

> > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my

> lagna

> > > has

> > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>

> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,

> > > > > > dear maligere ji ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu (

in

> > > north its

> > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to

single

> jup

> > > in

> > > > > lagna how is it possible .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the

houses

> > > involved

> > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u

hav

> to

> > > giv us

> > > > > feed back ) .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi

> > > balavasta or

> > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak

house

> then

> > > merc (

> > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th

> dasa (

> > > another

> > > > > maraka place ) ,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??

> > > > > >

> > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other influnces

r

> > > there .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .

> > > > > >

> > > > > > , " M.A "

> maligere@

> > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in

lagna,

> i

> > > have not

> > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this

> > > thread for

> > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties

in

> > > life, his

> > > > > health is also nothing to boast about.

> > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an

> > > attractive

> > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and

> > > espectable

> > > > > name "

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen

in

> this

> > > > > persons life

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas

> > > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > > > September 9, 1958

> > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am

> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00 " , 13 N 00' 00 "

> > > > > > > Hassan, India

> > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana

> > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)

> > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)

> > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)

> > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)

> > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)

> > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)

> > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)

> > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)

> > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am

> > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm

> > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618

> > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29

> > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds

> > > > > > > Maligere

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > > > > > > dear pundit ji ,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -

> laksham

> > > dosham

> > > > > guru hanti .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted

to

> > > know more

> > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool

> > > trikon sign

> > > > > also 8th house .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar

ji

> is

> > > taurus

> > > > > lagna .

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > dear vijayji

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the

> natives

> > > with

> > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative

and

> > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people

with

> > > jupiter

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > lagna are as follows:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar

> > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV

> > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata

> > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao

> > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo

> > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati

> > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi

> > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar

> > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb

> > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime

> > > minsiters,

> > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and

> even

> > > saints.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an

> > > attractive

> > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous

and

> > > > > respectable

> > > > > > > > name.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if

> not all

> > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna

by

> > > sitting

> > > > > in

> > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9

houses

> (one

> > > > > quadrant

> > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails

earlier,

> > > jupiter

> > > > > is

> > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all

> the

> > > three

> > > > > > > > houses he aspect.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > the title " jeeva " or enlivener is granted by lord

shiva

> to

> > > jupiter

> > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > --- In

, " Vijay "

> > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but

its

> > > really

> > > > > great

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru

> most of

> > > them

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files

> section

> > > of this

> > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding

Jupiter

> in

> > > Lagna I

> > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some

> > > interesting

> > > > > cases.

> > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and

> their

> > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in

their

> > > life,

> > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to

do

> > > with the

> > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their

lives

> we

> > > have to

> > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the

scope

> of

> > > the

> > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me

about

> their

> > > > > > > > characters.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and

> political

> > > > > problems

> > > > > > > > > in job):

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E,

> > > 13.40.N.

> > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer

and

> very

> > > > > dynamic

> > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just

honest

> > > (which is

> > > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political

persons

> and

> > > even

> > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows

how to

> > > control

> > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent

> but

> > > at the

> > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th

> house). He

> > > said

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and

he

> is

> > > also

> > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a

primary

> > > school

> > > > > > > > teacher

> > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He

> seems to

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was

workoholic

> he

> > > had

> > > > > health

> > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published

a

> > > poetry

> > > > > book

> > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was

> astonished,

> > > even I

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really

> > > astonishing, very

> > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel

he

> is

> > > really

> > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.

> > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a

> > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will,

> seeing

> > > not

> > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But

> > > character

> > > > > wise,

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since

> there

> > > isnt

> > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he

is

> very

> > > > > > > > righteous,

> > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents

said

> > > indeed he

> > > > > was

> > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much

> respects all

> > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter

dasha,

> he

> > > didnt

> > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays

> > > tabla at

> > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > competitions.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of

> > > Legislative

> > > > > > > > > Council),

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP),

but

> my

> > > mother

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and

he

> went

> > > to

> > > > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by

> public

> > > to be

> > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely

> > > opposite, that

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity

works,

> and

> > > sincere

> > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into

> > > tears. He

> > > > > said

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was

very

> > > sincere.

> > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real

estate

> > > business

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people

> thought

> > > he made

> > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also

uneducated.

> He

> > > is not

> > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone

and

> > > also does

> > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But

since

> > > Moon is in

> > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech

and

> > > has good

> > > > > > > > mind.

> > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because

> Mars in

> > > own

> > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his

> > > enemies in

> > > > > real-

> > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its

> interesting to

> > > see

> > > > > that

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > is not well educated.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:

> > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet

> and

> > > > > dignified

> > > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned

> person.

> > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.

> > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education

> though).

> > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music,

speech,

> > > poetry,

> > > > > etc),

> > > > > > > > > though not like venus.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > Vijay.

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in

> > > Lagna. The

> > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt.

Arjun

> ji

> > > and

> > > > > > > > Srinivas

> > > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of

> Jupiter

> > > and its

> > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in

Lagna.

> Try

> > > to

> > > > > argue

> > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results

> with

> > > your own

> > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the

discussion

> > > with

> > > > > minimum

> > > > > > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-

> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would

be

> > > versatile

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches

such

> as -

> > > > > > > > Vyakarana,

> > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in

Cancer

> the

> > > said

> > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.

> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have

good

> > > longevity

> > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.

> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic

> planets or

> > > in

> > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he

> would

> > > be

> > > > > > > > > interested in

> > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity -

> middle

> > > age,

> > > > > too

> > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his

> > > relatives or

> > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words

> > > against good

> > > > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.

> > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric..

> Hurah,

> > > to the

> > > > > > > > > thread of

> > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji.

> > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > >

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Dear Sheevaniji,You are absolutely true. Free will does indeed work, maybe this is a lesson for me, as I too am more intended to fall back on my parents' support and have weak will. But I am trying very hard from last 6 years to work hard and face difficulties in life and come up. Regarding brilliance of the natives, I was expecting your brother to be so, as Mercury is exalted in 3rd house and in general cancer lagna means they have tremendous memory power and are soft natured. Regarding will power, maybe female power is seen here. We, males, should truly learn from females who have tremendous will-power, the will to bounce back and face realities in life. Thats the main reason I have true respect for the other sex. Otherwise, both natives seem to have suffered in Rahu Dasha and enjoyed in Jupiter Dasha. One more similarity is that both love children very much (does jupiter have anything to do with this or is it due to cancer lagna?). Anyway the final aim of life is

being spiritual and serving others as much as possible, which both natives are doing, hence I would call their lives successful irrespective of whether he/she is weak or strong willed or have achieved anything in life or not.Regards,Vijay.sheevani147 <sheevani147 wrote: Dear Vijay ji, Nice to learn a valuable lesson from both charts.. One person with same combination choose to deal with life's problems with acceptance and endurance.. the other however chose to run away from his problems, taking the escape hatch

of alcohol and not work through the relationship problems. Free will in operation!! As for acedemic potential,, My brother too has a brilliant almost photographic mind. He would ace in his studies with little effort,, but he never applied himself sincerely.. Upto 'O' levels his record is brilliant.. thereafter he found alcohol.. When he was in UK, living with me and my family,, he completed his law degree. All in all , he is a kind compassionate person, just 'weak willed' and had dad's resources to fall back upon. had many opportunities, but did not utilise them. Being the only son, parents too were more lenient with him.. hence he never learnt the harsh realities of life and responsiblities. Still my best wishes are with him, he seem to be awakening to his responsiblities, let hope he carries on along this path of spirituality and service.. Warmest regards Sheevani

, Vijayanarasimha H Pakka <hpvijaynarasimha wrote: > > Dear Sunilji, Krishnamurthyji, Sheevaniji, > > Nice to hear that sheevaniji's brother has similar chart to that of my mother's. But I am sorry to hear what he had to go thru in his life, I wish him all the best for his future. I went thru all the details given by sheevaniji, but it would be interesting to know that my mother had a completely different life except for some similarities: > > Differences: > 1. She is very pious, and very soft right from childhood till now. No habits of drinking, etc. She hates people who have such habits. She is extremely emotional and sensitive. She is extremely patient and never gets angry, even at big blunders committed by people. > 2. Her

education was fantastic. Right from childhood, she was called the superkid with respect to studies. She stood first in languages, maths, science, etc. She stood first in the university in BSc, Msc (Maths). (Till now, her record marks in mathematics hasnt been beaten). Her memory power is excellent. > 3. She married at 22 yrs and it was an arranged marriage. She is completely devoted to my father, and inspite of inlaws terribly illtreating her, she has solidly stood by my father through out. Infact, she wont allow anyone to abuse her inlaws. She is very spiritual. > 4. Except for the period between 1976 - 1986 (Rahu Dasha), her life is wonderful. She is very happy with family and no financial troubles or family troubles. > 5. She is now running Saturn Dasha, and she is constantly travelling abroad (twice every year) and enjoying life with my father and grandchildren. She has become over

spiritual and detached from material life. > > Similarities: > 1. She has very good communication skills. > 2. The age difference between my parents is almost 11 years. > 3. She too tried her hand at work (teaching at engg college for 1 year), but had to leave it for children's future, hence no success in career, i.e., no income from job. > > Looking at the planetary positions between sheevaniji's brother's chart and my mother's chart, its very difficult to immediately come to conclusions based solely on main chart. Looking at divisional charts is very important, as all yogas are applicable to both natives, but still both have almost extreme lives. Also another point to look in main charts are the degrees between various planets and between planets and lagna. (For example, if distance between lagna and a planet, especially dasha lord is 60 degrees its very good in

that dasha). Anyway, nice examples to ponder on. > > Regards, > Vijay. > > Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > Dear Sheevani ji, > > That was a good detailed portrait of your brother. I would like to share my observations: > > 1. Though jupiter is in its own house in Rasi (that too in the 9th!) and in a friendly house in Navamsha, it would be mostly mixed results because of the following negatives: > > - Jup is retrograde > - Jup is in the nakshatra of Saturn > - Jup is aspected by malefics Saturn and Mars, Sun > - One consolation is that Mars is the yogakaraka among the above malefics > - Gajakesari Yoga does not work here as Jupiter is retrograde and Moon is combust > > 2. Because of the above reasons though Jupiter is

aspecting Lagna, the native seem to have lived a turbulant life, even during Jupiter MD. > > 3. Karaka of Mind Moon, who is also the lagna lord, is combust. Hence, the native might have got into drinking problem as his 2nd house falls into RKA axis. Note that the problem has started in Rau MD. The problem has either started in Rahu-Ketu period of Rahu-Venus period. Both Venus and Ketu occupy 2nd house. > > 4. It is interesting to note that both Sat and Moon occupy UL. Rahu is disposited by Saturn. & th lord Saturn is with 3rd lord Mercury in the 3rd house. It clearly indicates a possibility of love marraige and a good possibility of the spouse having a big age difference. What was the age difference with his second wife? That appears to be a love marriage as it took place during Sat-Mer period. Please clarify. > > 5. He seems to have a poor career.

Notice that in D10 Ra/Ke are in kendras to lagna > > 6. His 10th lord from Rasi is in Venus Navamsha. Venus is with Mars in Rasi aspecting Jupiter. That might explain his studying Law and completing it in Jup-Mars period! Note that in D24 Jup and Mars are in trines to each other. > > Regards, > Krishna > > sheevani147 <sheevani147 wrote: > > Dear Sunil ji. > > Namaste. > > Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events in > his life.. > > Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951, > time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight) > POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember! > Lagna is cancer.. > > He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very > intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which > subsides quickly

too. although he appears arrogant, but is really > very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken and > written, good with debates, has good general knowledge. > > After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in > 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in > rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams but > didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had > lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered money > and had health issues.. > > Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got > married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in sucession > due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992.. > > In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989. > Started his baristership training

but did not complete it. Returned > home in 1991. > > Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons.. > Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during childbirth.. > > After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife and > finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in 2007, > got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with parents, > looking after them. > > No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life.. > Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever > things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did > work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally not > been very lucky.. > > He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking > habits.. He no longer has his drinking

addiction, is very > spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks after > his parents well. > > Warmest regards > Sheevani > > , "sunil nair" > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > dear shivani ji , > > > > > > > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known > details > > to the grp . > > > > > > > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh patra > > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a feamale > and > > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r

curious to know how > and > > what realy happened . > > > > > > > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film > producer > > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very beutiful > delhi > > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to know > when > > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some > relativ > > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un successful > lov > > marriage and divorce . > > > > > > > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in > daily > > entry books . > > > > > > > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and > comparisons > > if possible . > >

> > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147" > > <sheevani147@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was born > on > > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your mother,, I > > > thought I was seeing double.. > > > > > > warmest regards > > > Sheevani > > > > > > , Vijayanarasimha H > > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadhji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but even > > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year > length, > > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and on > Oct > > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and after > that > > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to end > for > > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace she > was > > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now. My > > >

life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha > during > > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower > portion > > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were > > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from 1968 > to > > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero > > > income, living in a small house, father working day and night and > > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in- laws, > > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a > > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, father > > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, etc > > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a > very > > >

good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is > enjoying > > > life again. > > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21. > > > > > > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are bad > > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results to > the > > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed well > and > > > has power. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vijay. > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > Dear Vijay ji, > > > > I will clarify it further - > > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna > > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries > > > > - Mars is

debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates > > > head of the native > > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may give > > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially > Ketu) > > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period. Therefore > > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and the > > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear that > the > > > said period should be Ju/Ma. > > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due to > > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples > that > > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year length we > > > use in a practical perspective. > > > > Love and regards, > > >

> Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji) > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji, > > > > ==> > > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, > she > > > had brain-haemorrhage in > > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi > > > > <== > > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries (the > > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara; > please > > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana > year > > > and let me know

whether this assumption is correct or not. Also > > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > , > Vijayanarasimha > > > H Pakka > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote: > > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - > Pt. > > > Arjun > > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji) > > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or obvious) > how > > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart as > > > benefic > > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get

mixed > > > results > > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more > discussions > > > we can > > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is the > one > > > which > > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. I > would > > > rather > > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has some > bad > > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and > strength > > > of > > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges > victorious. > > > This > > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take > while > > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim

that > a > > > good > > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My > mother > > > has > > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had > > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter was > in > > > ghataka > > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she recovered > > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular > tablets) > > > now. > > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other > > > planets, > > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final > victory > > > is to > > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna thread, > it >

> > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of > jupiter in > > > each > > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in lagna. > Then > > > we get > > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. Jupiter in > > > Aries > > > > > lagna, uninfluenced > > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. Jupiter in > > > Aries > > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind the > > > strength > > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I can > say > > > it > > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases Anyway, > as a > > > > > practical approach, its more than enough

if we wind up with > > > jupiter's > > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an important > > > footnote to > > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and > > > placement of > > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / or > any > > > other > > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on jupiter's > > > effects in > > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when influenced by > > > other > > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it > difficult > > > to > > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my > lagna > > > has > > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards,

Vijay.> > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna , > > > > > > dear maligere ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu ( in > > > north its > > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to single > jup > > > in > > > > > lagna how is it possible . > > > > > > > > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the houses > > > involved > > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u hav > to > > > giv us > > > > > feed back ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi > > > balavasta or > > > >

> atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak house > then > > > merc ( > > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th > dasa ( > > > another > > > > > maraka place ) , > > > > > > > > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis . > > > > > > > > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other influnces r > > > there . > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "M.A" > maligere@ > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in lagna, > i > > > have not > > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this > > > thread for > > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties in > > > life, his > > > > > health is also nothing to boast about. > > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an > > > attractive > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous

and > > > espectable > > > > > name" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen in > this > > > > > persons life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > September 9, 1958 > > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00", 13 N 00' 00" > > > > > > > Hassan, India > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana > > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left) > > > > > > >

Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma) > > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left) > > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left) > > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left) > > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn) > > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta) > > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury) > > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am > > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm > > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618 > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29 > > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds > > > > > > > Maligere > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > > > > dear pundit ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas - > laksham > > > dosham > > > > > guru hanti . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted to > > > know more > > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool > > > trikon sign > > > > > also 8th house . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar ji > is > > > taurus > > > > > lagna . >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear vijayji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the > natives > > > with > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative and > > > > > appreciated. > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people with > > > jupiter > > > > > in > > > > > > > > lagna are as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar > > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV > > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata > > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao > > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo > > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati > > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi > > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar > > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb > > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime > > > minsiters, > > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and > even > > > saints. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an > > > attractive > > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and > > > > > respectable > > > > > > > > name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if > not all > > > > > > > > astrologers. even those

few who say guru spoils lagna by > > > sitting > > > > > in > > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 houses > (one > > > > > quadrant > > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails earlier, > > > jupiter > > > > > is > > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all > the > > > three > > > > > > > > houses he aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by lord shiva > to > > > jupiter > > > > > > > >

and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Vijay" > > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but its > >

> really > > > > > great > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru > most of > > > them > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files > section > > > of this > > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding Jupiter > in > > > Lagna I > > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some > > > interesting > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and > their > > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in their > > > life, > >

> > > because > > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to do > > > with the > > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their lives > we > > > have to > > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the scope > of > > > the > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me about > their > > > > > > > > characters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and > political > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > in job): > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E, > > > 13.40.N. > > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer and > very > > > > > dynamic > > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just honest > > > (which is > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political persons > and > > > even > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how to > > > control > > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent > but > > > at the > > > > > same >

> > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th > house). He > > > said > > > > > he > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and he > is > > > also > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a primary > > > school > > > > > > > > teacher > > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He > seems to > > > be > > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was workoholic > he > > > had > > > > > health > > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has

published a > > > poetry > > > > > book > > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was > astonished, > > > even I > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really > > > astonishing, very > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel he > is > > > really > > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student. > > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a > > > > > professional > > > >

> > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will, > seeing > > > not > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But > > > character > > > > > wise, > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since > there > > > isnt > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he is > very > > > > > > > > righteous, > > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents said > > > indeed he > > > > > was > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > very

soft-spoken and honest kid and very much > respects all > > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter dasha, > he > > > didnt > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays > > > tabla at > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > competitions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of > > > Legislative > > > > > > > > > Council), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), but > my > > > mother > > > > > > > > said > >

> > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and he > went > > > to > > > > > > > > politics > > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by > public > > > to be > > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely > > > opposite, that > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity works, > and > > > sincere > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into > > > tears. He > > > > > said > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was

very > > > sincere. > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real estate > > > business > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people > thought > > > he made > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also uneducated. > He > > > is not > > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone and > > > also does > > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But since > > > Moon is in > > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech and > > > has good > >

> > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because > Mars in > > > own > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his > > > enemies in > > > > > real- > > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its > interesting to > > > see > > > > > that > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > is not well educated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna: > > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet > and > > > > > dignified > >

> > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned > person. > > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders. > > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education > though). > > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, speech, > > > poetry, > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > though not like venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > Vijay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > >

> > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in > > > Lagna. The > > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. Arjun > ji > > > and > > > > > > > > Srinivas > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of > Jupiter > > > and its > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in Lagna. > Try > > > to > > > > >

argue > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results > with > > > your own > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the discussion > > > with > > > > > minimum > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)- > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would be > > > versatile > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches such > as - > > > > > > > > Vyakarana, > > >

> > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in Cancer > the > > > said > > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure. > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have good > > > longevity > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years. > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic > planets or > > > in > > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he > would > > > be > > > > > > > > > interested in > > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering,

longevity - > middle > > > age, > > > > > too > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his > > > relatives or > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words > > > against good > > > > > > > > > people, > > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail. > > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. > Hurah, > > > to the > > > > > > > > > thread of > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > >

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February 8, 2008

Hare rama krishna ,

dear shivani ji ,

yes rahu maha dasa can be very tricky since its in 8th house ( tho some schools of astro follows rahu is in own house when in kumbha rasi ) but that result is never i found out b true and even wen analysing the chart this dictum coming as a stumbling block and now a days r more sure of it .

His case for children

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see 5th Lord is under rahu ketu axis .Karaka for 5th HOuse for children is jup again vakri and afflicted .5th house is aspected by sani planet of slowness .Even gulik ( not jhora one ) given its amsa to 5th HOuse .

Karaka for semen is venus again very heavily afflicted .Power to help cause pregnancy is strenght of sun (as natural putra rasi owner and universal atma karak) .U can see he is with sani .

also beeja sphuta ( the virility point in male charts) has fall in a makara ,a female sign and in amsa its aries (male sign ) but sani is sitting there .Also lord of beeja sputa rasi is sani who is combust and weak in navamsa .

From Karaka Jup also 5th Lord was Moon and u know its weak and afflicted .So all the results was showing a mixed result .

I will write abt beeja sputa (male virility ) khetra sphuta ( female virility ) and santan thithi and other concepts when ever i get time in grp .If some one has prashna maarga translated by BV raman in english it gives so many yogas and concepts .

Hope this helps u .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "sheevani147" <sheevani147 wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Namaste ji,> > Thank you for your analysis of the chart.. > > My personal views are that Rahu mahadasha was the hardest period for > him, lots of frustrations and health problems,, also the period he > started drinking..> > Jupiter MD, so far has been his best period, he was happier in > himself and got his Law degree..> > Regarding his drinking habits,, although like all alcoholics it > started with drinking on a daily basis,, but later( 1990's onwards) > it was more 'binge drinking' meaning he wud not touch alcohol for > many months or even a year or two, then when problems arise,, he > would drink heavily for all day for a week or so and ends up in > hospital. His last drinking episode was in 2006.. > > One question, if I may? what in his horoscope denied him of > children,, he loves children very much.> > Many thanks> > Warmest regards> Sheevani> > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear shivani ji .> > > > > > > > I was realy studying the chart with various options and its > realay a> > interesting chart which reveals almost all astro principles known > to me> > .> > > > > > > > Nativ has shoola yoga ( sapta grahas in 3 signs) and a spoiled gaja> > kesary yoga .> > > > > > > > All most all benefic dasas to lagna has passed already and now sani > s> > dasa running who is debilated in amsa .> > > > > > > > rahu in 8th house and sani is debilated (also combust )as 7th Lord (> > both contributed a divorse ) also 9th Lord jup in own house and > vakra> > .venus the karaka for marriage afflicted heavily .MOOn is weak as > shukla> > prathama and nite birth .so lagna lord is also weak .> > > > also 2nd house and Lord and karaka ( jup ) afflicted given him > bad> > habbits regrds to drinking as affliction in 2nd house .> > > > > > > > also affected in earning same is with 4th house> > > > > > > > 9th Lord is strong in chart so may be reasons for dependable source > of> > support from father .> > > > > > > > coming periods of rahu and jupiter may giv him some work i hope tho > main> > period lord is weak .> > > > > > > > also sadesati going on and sani goin tru a weak rasi .also next > maha of> > merc also weak to deliver good results .> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th Lord of dharma is strong ,so praying vishnu will help him if he > can> > reduce drinking habbits .> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147"> > <sheevani147@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji.> > >> > > Namaste.> > >> > > Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events > in> > > his life..> > >> > > Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,> > > time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)> > > POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!> > > Lagna is cancer..> > >> > > He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very> > > intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which> > > subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really> > > very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken > and> > > written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.> > >> > > After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in> > > 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in> > > rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams > but> > > didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had> > > lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered > money> > > and had health issues..> > >> > > Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got> > > married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in > sucession> > > due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..> > >> > > In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989.> > > Started his baristership training but did not complete it. > Returned> > > home in 1991.> > >> > > Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons..> > > Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during > childbirth..> > >> > > After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife and> > > finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in 2007,> > > got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with > parents,> > > looking after them.> > >> > > No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life..> > > Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever> > > things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did> > > work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally > not> > > been very lucky..> > >> > > He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking> > > habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very> > > spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks > after> > > his parents well.> > >> > > Warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > >> > > > dear shivani ji ,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known> > > details> > > > to the grp .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh > patra> > > > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a > feamale> > > and> > > > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know > how> > > and> > > > what realy happened .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film> > > producer> > > > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very > beutiful> > > delhi> > > > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to > know> > > when> > > > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some> > > relativ> > > > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un > successful> > > lov> > > > marriage and divorce .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in> > > daily> > > > entry books .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and> > > comparisons> > > > if possible .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sheevani147"> > > > <sheevani147@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namaste,> > > > >> > > > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was > born> > > on> > > > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your > mother,, I> > > > > thought I was seeing double..> > > > >> > > > > warmest regards> > > > > Sheevani> > > > >> > > > > , > Vijayanarasimha H> > > > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Shreenadhji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but > even> > > > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year> > > length,> > > > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and > on> > > Oct> > > > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and > after> > > that> > > > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to > end> > > for> > > > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace > she> > > was> > > > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family > now. My> > > > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha> > > during> > > > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower> > > portion> > > > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were> > > > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from > 1968> > > to> > > > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents > (zero> > > > > income, living in a small house, father working day and night > and> > > > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-> laws,> > > > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a> > > > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, > father> > > > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, > etc> > > > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a> > > very> > > > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is> > > enjoying> > > > > life again.> > > > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.> > > > > >> > > > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are > bad> > > > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good > results to> > > the> > > > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed > well> > > and> > > > > has power.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > > > > I will clarify it further -> > > > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna> > > > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries> > > > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates> > > > > head of the native> > > > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may > give> > > > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially> > > Ketu)> > > > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period. > Therefore> > > > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and > the> > > > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear > that> > > the> > > > > said period should be Ju/Ma.> > > > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, > due to> > > > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples> > > that> > > > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year > length we> > > > > use in a practical perspective.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in > 8th,> > > she> > > > > had brain-haemorrhage in> > > > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi> > > > > > <==> > > > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries > (the> > > > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara;> > > please> > > > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day > Savana> > > year> > > > > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. > Also> > > > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ,> > > Vijayanarasimha> > > > > H Pakka> > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread > owners -> > > Pt.> > > > > Arjun> > > > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or > obvious)> > > how> > > > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the > chart as> > > > > benefic> > > > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get > mixed> > > > > results> > > > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more> > > discussions> > > > > we can> > > > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is > the> > > one> > > > > which> > > > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. > I> > > would> > > > > rather> > > > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has > some> > > bad> > > > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and> > > strength> > > > > of> > > > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges> > > victorious.> > > > > This> > > > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take> > > while> > > > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim > that> > > a> > > > > good> > > > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My> > > mother> > > > > has> > > > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had> > > > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter > was> > > in> > > > > ghataka> > > > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she > recovered> > > > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular> > > tablets)> > > > > now.> > > > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some > other> > > > > planets,> > > > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final> > > victory> > > > > is to> > > > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna > thread,> > > it> > > > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of> > > jupiter in> > > > > each> > > > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in > lagna.> > > Then> > > > > we get> > > > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. > Jupiter in> > > > > Aries> > > > > > > lagna, uninfluenced> > > > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. > Jupiter in> > > > > Aries> > > > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind > the> > > > > strength> > > > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I > can> > > say> > > > > it> > > > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases > Anyway,> > > as a> > > > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up > with> > > > > jupiter's> > > > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an > important> > > > > footnote to> > > > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and> > > > > placement of> > > > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / > or> > > any> > > > > other> > > > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on > jupiter's> > > > > effects in> > > > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when > influenced by> > > > > other> > > > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it> > > difficult> > > > > to> > > > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my> > > lagna> > > > > has> > > > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > > > > > dear maligere ji ,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu > ( in> > > > > north its> > > > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to > single> > > jup> > > > > in> > > > > > > lagna how is it possible .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the > houses> > > > > involved> > > > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u > hav> > > to> > > > > giv us> > > > > > > feed back ) .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi> > > > > balavasta or> > > > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak > house> > > then> > > > > merc (> > > > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th> > > dasa (> > > > > another> > > > > > > maraka place ) ,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other > influnces r> > > > > there .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "M.A"> > > maligere@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in > lagna,> > > i> > > > > have not> > > > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in > this> > > > > thread for> > > > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but > difficulties in> > > > > life, his> > > > > > > health is also nothing to boast about.> > > > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an> > > > > attractive> > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and> > > > > espectable> > > > > > > name"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have > seen in> > > this> > > > > > > persons life> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas> > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > September 9, 1958> > > > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00", 13 N 00' 00"> > > > > > > > > Hassan, India> > > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana> > > > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)> > > > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> > > > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)> > > > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)> > > > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)> > > > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)> > > > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)> > > > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)> > > > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am> > > > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm> > > > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618> > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29> > > > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds> > > > > > > > > Maligere> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > > > > dear pundit ji ,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -> > > laksham> > > > > dosham> > > > > > > guru hanti .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i > wanted to> > > > > know more> > > > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his > mool> > > > > trikon sign> > > > > > > also 8th house .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha > mangeshwar ji> > > is> > > > > taurus> > > > > > > lagna .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > dear vijayji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the> > > natives> > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative > and> > > > > > > appreciated.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people > with> > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > lagna are as follows:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar> > > > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV> > > > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata> > > > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao> > > > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo> > > > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati> > > > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi> > > > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar> > > > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb> > > > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, > prime> > > > > minsiters,> > > > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and> > > even> > > > > saints.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an> > > > > attractive> > > > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, > courageous and> > > > > > > respectable> > > > > > > > > > name.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if> > > not all> > > > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils > lagna by> > > > > sitting> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 > houses> > > (one> > > > > > > quadrant> > > > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails > earlier,> > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on > all> > > the> > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > houses he aspect.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by lord > shiva> > > to> > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh > doshams.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > , "Vijay"> > > > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but > its> > > > > really> > > > > > > great> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru> > > most of> > > > > them> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files> > > section> > > > > of this> > > > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding > Jupiter> > > in> > > > > Lagna I> > > > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some> > > > > interesting> > > > > > > cases.> > > > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and> > > their> > > > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in > their> > > > > life,> > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little > to do> > > > > with the> > > > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their > lives> > > we> > > > > have to> > > > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the > scope> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me > about> > > their> > > > > > > > > > characters.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and> > > political> > > > > > > problems> > > > > > > > > > > in job):> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E,> > > > > 13.40.N.> > > > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer > and> > > very> > > > > > > dynamic> > > > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just > honest> > > > > (which is> > > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political > persons> > > and> > > > > even> > > > > > > got> > > > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows > how to> > > > > control> > > > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very > decent> > > but> > > > > at the> > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th> > > house). He> > > > > said> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest > and he> > > is> > > > > also> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a > primary> > > > > school> > > > > > > > > > teacher> > > > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He> > > seems to> > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was > workoholic> > > he> > > > > had> > > > > > > health> > > > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has > published a> > > > > poetry> > > > > > > book> > > > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was> > > astonished,> > > > > even I> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really> > > > > astonishing, very> > > > > > > > > > clear> > > > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you > feel he> > > is> > > > > really> > > > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.> > > > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will > join a> > > > > > > professional> > > > > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will,> > > seeing> > > > > not> > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But> > > > > character> > > > > > > wise,> > > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since> > > there> > > > > isnt> > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he > is> > > very> > > > > > > > > > righteous,> > > > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents > said> > > > > indeed he> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much> > > respects all> > > > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter > dasha,> > > he> > > > > didnt> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he > plays> > > > > tabla at> > > > > > > > > > various> > > > > > > > > > > competitions.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of> > > > > Legislative> > > > > > > > > > > Council),> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), > but> > > my> > > > > mother> > > > > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and > he> > > went> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > politics> > > > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by> > > public> > > > > to be> > > > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely> > > > > opposite, that> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity > works,> > > and> > > > > sincere> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went > into> > > > > tears. He> > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was > very> > > > > sincere.> > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real > estate> > > > > business> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people> > > thought> > > > > he made> > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also > uneducated.> > > He> > > > > is not> > > > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects > everyone and> > > > > also does> > > > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But > since> > > > > Moon is in> > > > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in > speech and> > > > > has good> > > > > > > > > > mind.> > > > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because> > > Mars in> > > > > own> > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with > his> > > > > enemies in> > > > > > > real-> > > > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its> > > interesting to> > > > > see> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > is not well educated.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:> > > > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have > sweet> > > and> > > > > > > dignified> > > > > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned> > > person.> > > > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.> > > > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education> > > though).> > > > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, > speech,> > > > > poetry,> > > > > > > etc),> > > > > > > > > > > though not like venus.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Vijay.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter > in> > > > > Lagna. The> > > > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. > Arjun> > > ji> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > Srinivas> > > > > > > > > > > ji.> > > > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of> > > Jupiter> > > > > and its> > > > > > > > > > power> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in > Lagna.> > > Try> > > > > to> > > > > > > argue> > > > > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results> > > with> > > > > your own> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the > discussion> > > > > with> > > > > > > minimum> > > > > > > > > > > inputs> > > > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-> > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native > would be> > > > > versatile> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches > such> > > as -> > > > > > > > > > Vyakarana,> > > > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in > Cancer> > > the> > > > > said> > > > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.> > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have > good> > > > > longevity> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.> > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic> > > planets or> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - > he> > > would> > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > interested in> > > > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity -> > > middle> > > > > age,> > > > > > > too> > > > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his> > > > > relatives or> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words> > > > > against good> > > > > > > > > > > people,> > > > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.> > > > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. > > > Hurah,> > > > > to the> > > > > > > > > > > thread of> > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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February 8, 2008

Hare rama krishna ,

dear vijay ji ,

Thanks for posting the comparativ analysis and ur opinions .

I like always ur style of intrepreting the chart ,also u hav a great mother and she has influenced u a lot .lso convey my regrds to her .

thanks and keep contributing .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, Vijayanarasimha H Pakka <hpvijaynarasimha wrote:>> Dear Sunilji, Krishnamurthyji, Sheevaniji,> > Nice to hear that sheevaniji's brother has similar chart to that of my mother's. But I am sorry to hear what he had to go thru in his life, I wish him all the best for his future. I went thru all the details given by sheevaniji, but it would be interesting to know that my mother had a completely different life except for some similarities:> > Differences:> 1. She is very pious, and very soft right from childhood till now. No habits of drinking, etc. She hates people who have such habits. She is extremely emotional and sensitive. She is extremely patient and never gets angry, even at big blunders committed by people.> 2. Her education was fantastic. Right from childhood, she was called the superkid with respect to studies. She stood first in languages, maths, science, etc. She stood first in the university in BSc, Msc (Maths). (Till now, her record marks in mathematics hasnt been beaten). Her memory power is excellent.> 3. She married at 22 yrs and it was an arranged marriage. She is completely devoted to my father, and inspite of inlaws terribly illtreating her, she has solidly stood by my father through out. Infact, she wont allow anyone to abuse her inlaws. She is very spiritual.> 4. Except for the period between 1976 - 1986 (Rahu Dasha), her life is wonderful. She is very happy with family and no financial troubles or family troubles. > 5. She is now running Saturn Dasha, and she is constantly travelling abroad (twice every year) and enjoying life with my father and grandchildren. She has become over spiritual and detached from material life. > > Similarities:> 1. She has very good communication skills.> 2. The age difference between my parents is almost 11 years.> 3. She too tried her hand at work (teaching at engg college for 1 year), but had to leave it for children's future, hence no success in career, i.e., no income from job.> > Looking at the planetary positions between sheevaniji's brother's chart and my mother's chart, its very difficult to immediately come to conclusions based solely on main chart. Looking at divisional charts is very important, as all yogas are applicable to both natives, but still both have almost extreme lives. Also another point to look in main charts are the degrees between various planets and between planets and lagna. (For example, if distance between lagna and a planet, especially dasha lord is 60 degrees its very good in that dasha). Anyway, nice examples to ponder on.> > Regards,> Vijay.> > Krishnamurthy Seetharama krishna_1998 wrote: > Dear Sheevani ji,> > That was a good detailed portrait of your brother. I would like to share my observations:> > 1. Though jupiter is in its own house in Rasi (that too in the 9th!) and in a friendly house in Navamsha, it would be mostly mixed results because of the following negatives:> > - Jup is retrograde> - Jup is in the nakshatra of Saturn> - Jup is aspected by malefics Saturn and Mars, Sun> - One consolation is that Mars is the yogakaraka among the above malefics> - Gajakesari Yoga does not work here as Jupiter is retrograde and Moon is combust> > 2. Because of the above reasons though Jupiter is aspecting Lagna, the native seem to have lived a turbulant life, even during Jupiter MD.> > 3. Karaka of Mind Moon, who is also the lagna lord, is combust. Hence, the native might have got into drinking problem as his 2nd house falls into RKA axis. Note that the problem has started in Rau MD. The problem has either started in Rahu-Ketu period of Rahu-Venus period. Both Venus and Ketu occupy 2nd house.> > 4. It is interesting to note that both Sat and Moon occupy UL. Rahu is disposited by Saturn. & th lord Saturn is with 3rd lord Mercury in the 3rd house. It clearly indicates a possibility of love marraige and a good possibility of the spouse having a big age difference. What was the age difference with his second wife? That appears to be a love marriage as it took place during Sat-Mer period. Please clarify.> > 5. He seems to have a poor career. Notice that in D10 Ra/Ke are in kendras to lagna> > 6. His 10th lord from Rasi is in Venus Navamsha. Venus is with Mars in Rasi aspecting Jupiter. That might explain his studying Law and completing it in Jup-Mars period! Note that in D24 Jup and Mars are in trines to each other.> > Regards,> Krishna> > sheevani147 sheevani147 wrote:> > Dear Sunil ji.> > Namaste.> > Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events in > his life..> > Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,> time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)> POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!> Lagna is cancer..> > He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very > intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which > subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really > very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken and > written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.> > After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in > 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in > rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams but > didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had > lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered money > and had health issues..> > Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got > married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in sucession > due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..> > In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989. > Started his baristership training but did not complete it. Returned > home in 1991.> > Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons..> Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during childbirth..> > After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife and > finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in 2007, > got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with parents, > looking after them.> > No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life..> Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever > things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did > work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally not > been very lucky..> > He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking > habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very > spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks after > his parents well.> > Warmest regards> Sheevani> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear shivani ji ,> > > > > > > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known > details> > to the grp .> > > > > > > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh patra> > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a feamale > and> > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know how > and> > what realy happened .> > > > > > > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film > producer> > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very beutiful > delhi> > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to know > when> > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some > relativ> > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un successful > lov> > marriage and divorce .> > > > > > > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in > daily> > entry books .> > > > > > > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and > comparisons> > if possible .> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147"> > <sheevani147@> wrote:> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was born > on> > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your mother,, I> > > thought I was seeing double..> > >> > > warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > > , Vijayanarasimha H> > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Shreenadhji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but even> > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year > length,> > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and on > Oct> > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and after > that> > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to end > for> > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace she > was> > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now. My> > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha > during> > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower > portion> > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were> > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from 1968 > to> > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero> > > income, living in a small house, father working day and night and> > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-laws,> > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a> > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, father> > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, etc> > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a > very> > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is > enjoying> > > life again.> > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.> > > >> > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are bad> > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results to > the> > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed well > and> > > has power.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay.> > > >> > > >> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > > I will clarify it further -> > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna> > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries> > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates> > > head of the native> > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may give> > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially > Ketu)> > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period. Therefore> > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and the> > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear that > the> > > said period should be Ju/Ma.> > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due to> > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples > that> > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year length we> > > use in a practical perspective.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > >> > > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, > she> > > had brain-haemorrhage in> > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi> > > > <==> > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries (the> > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara; > please> > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana > year> > > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also> > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > , > Vijayanarasimha> > > H Pakka> > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - > Pt.> > > Arjun> > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or obvious) > how> > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart as> > > benefic> > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get mixed> > > results> > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more > discussions> > > we can> > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is the > one> > > which> > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. I > would> > > rather> > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has some > bad> > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and > strength> > > of> > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges > victorious.> > > This> > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take > while> > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim that > a> > > good> > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My > mother> > > has> > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had> > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter was > in> > > ghataka> > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she recovered> > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular > tablets)> > > now.> > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other> > > planets,> > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final > victory> > > is to> > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna thread, > it> > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of > jupiter in> > > each> > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in lagna. > Then> > > we get> > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. Jupiter in> > > Aries> > > > > lagna, uninfluenced> > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. Jupiter in> > > Aries> > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind the> > > strength> > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I can > say> > > it> > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases Anyway, > as a> > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with> > > jupiter's> > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an important> > > footnote to> > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and> > > placement of> > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / or > any> > > other> > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on jupiter's> > > effects in> > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when influenced by> > > other> > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it > difficult> > > to> > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my > lagna> > > has> > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>> > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > > > dear maligere ji ,> > > > > >> > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu ( in> > > north its> > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to single > jup> > > in> > > > > lagna how is it possible .> > > > > >> > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the houses> > > involved> > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u hav > to> > > giv us> > > > > feed back ) .> > > > > >> > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi> > > balavasta or> > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak house > then> > > merc (> > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th > dasa (> > > another> > > > > maraka place ) ,> > > > > >> > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??> > > > > >> > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .> > > > > >> > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other influnces r> > > there .> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "M.A" > maligere@> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in lagna, > i> > > have not> > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this> > > thread for> > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties in> > > life, his> > > > > health is also nothing to boast about.> > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an> > > attractive> > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and> > > espectable> > > > > name"> > > > > > >> > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen in > this> > > > > persons life> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas> > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > September 9, 1958> > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am> > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00", 13 N 00' 00"> > > > > > > Hassan, India> > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana> > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)> > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)> > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)> > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)> > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)> > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)> > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)> > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am> > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm> > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618> > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29> > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds> > > > > > > Maligere> > > > > > >> > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > > dear pundit ji ,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -> laksham> > > dosham> > > > > guru hanti .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted to> > > know more> > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool> > > trikon sign> > > > > also 8th house .> > > > > > >> > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar ji > is> > > taurus> > > > > lagna .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In> > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > dear vijayji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the > natives> > > with> > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative and> > > > > appreciated.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people with> > > jupiter> > > > > in> > > > > > > > lagna are as follows:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar> > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV> > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata> > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao> > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo> > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati> > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi> > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar> > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb> > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime> > > minsiters,> > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and > even> > > saints.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an> > > attractive> > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and> > > > > respectable> > > > > > > > name.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if > not all> > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna by> > > sitting> > > > > in> > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 houses > (one> > > > > quadrant> > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails earlier,> > > jupiter> > > > > is> > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all > the> > > three> > > > > > > > houses he aspect.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by lord shiva > to> > > jupiter> > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "Vijay"> > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but its> > > really> > > > > great> > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru > most of> > > them> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files > section> > > of this> > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding Jupiter > in> > > Lagna I> > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some> > > interesting> > > > > cases.> > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and > their> > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in their> > > life,> > > > > because> > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to do> > > with the> > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their lives > we> > > have to> > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the scope > of> > > the> > > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me about > their> > > > > > > > characters.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and > political> > > > > problems> > > > > > > > > in job):> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E,> > > 13.40.N.> > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer and > very> > > > > dynamic> > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just honest> > > (which is> > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political persons > and> > > even> > > > > got> > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how to> > > control> > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent > but> > > at the> > > > > same> > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th > house). He> > > said> > > > > he> > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and he > is> > > also> > > > > not> > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a primary> > > school> > > > > > > > teacher> > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He > seems to> > > be> > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was workoholic > he> > > had> > > > > health> > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published a> > > poetry> > > > > book> > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was > astonished,> > > even I> > > > > was> > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really> > > astonishing, very> > > > > > > > clear> > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel he > is> > > really> > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.> > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a> > > > > professional> > > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will, > seeing> > > not> > > > > only> > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But> > > character> > > > > wise,> > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since > there> > > isnt> > > > > any> > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he is > very> > > > > > > > righteous,> > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents said> > > indeed he> > > > > was> > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much > respects all> > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter dasha, > he> > > didnt> > > > > have> > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays> > > tabla at> > > > > > > > various> > > > > > > > > competitions.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of> > > Legislative> > > > > > > > > Council),> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), but > my> > > mother> > > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and he > went> > > to> > > > > > > > politics> > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by > public> > > to be> > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely> > > opposite, that> > > > > he> > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity works, > and> > > sincere> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into> > > tears. He> > > > > said> > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was very> > > sincere.> > > > > He> > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real estate> > > business> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people > thought> > > he made> > > > > all> > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also uneducated. > He> > > is not> > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone and> > > also does> > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But since> > > Moon is in> > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech and> > > has good> > > > > > > > mind.> > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because > Mars in> > > own> > > > > house> > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his> > > enemies in> > > > > real-> > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its > interesting to> > > see> > > > > that> > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > is not well educated.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:> > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet > and> > > > > dignified> > > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned > person.> > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.> > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education > though).> > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, speech,> > > poetry,> > > > > etc),> > > > > > > > > though not like venus.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > Vijay.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in> > > Lagna. The> > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. Arjun > ji> > > and> > > > > > > > Srinivas> > > > > > > > > ji.> > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of > Jupiter> > > and its> > > > > > > > power> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in Lagna. > Try> > > to> > > > > argue> > > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results > with> > > your own> > > > > or> > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the discussion> > > with> > > > > minimum> > > > > > > > > inputs> > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would be> > > versatile> > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches such > as -> > > > > > > > Vyakarana,> > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in Cancer > the> > > said> > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have good> > > longevity> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic > planets or> > > in> > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he > would> > > be> > > > > > > > > interested in> > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity - > middle> > > age,> > > > > too> > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his> > > relatives or> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words> > > against good> > > > > > > > > people,> > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.> > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. > Hurah,> > > to the> > > > > > > > > thread of> > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast > with> > > > > > > > Search.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > > Mobile. Try> > > > > it now.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile.> > > Try it now.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.>

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Dear Sheevani Ji and Sunil Ji:If I use Chari Ayanamsa, I get Gemini lagna 27 deg 42.This puts Rahu in the ninth house, which is the worst place for it to be.It also answers his problems in the Rahu mahadasa.Gets married and divorced in Jup dasa; 7L in 10 H (good)and also 7L in 6H(not so good) in NAV- answers why he gets married and later it breaks up in the same mahadasa. Also it was why he was able to get his law degree in this maha dasa..Fifth Lord Venus (in charge of progeny among other things) is in the enemy's house, afflicted by Mars- a natural and functional malefic and Ketu, -always interested in taking something away from you, which you desire. This might explain why he has no children. The current and the next maha dasa is Sa and Me. Both of them are functional benefics and are both well situated in friendly/own home. The only problem is that they are both combust, Sat more so than Me.Next dasa Me which starts in 2012 will be

better but of course by then, the prime time would have gone.....Best wishesanantha krishnansheevani147 <sheevani147 wrote: Dear Sunilji, Namaste ji, Thank you for your analysis of the chart.. My personal views are that Rahu mahadasha was the hardest period for him, lots of frustrations and health problems,, also the period he started drinking.. Jupiter MD, so far has been his best period, he was happier in himself and got his Law degree.. Regarding his drinking habits,, although like

all alcoholics it started with drinking on a daily basis,, but later( 1990's onwards) it was more 'binge drinking' meaning he wud not touch alcohol for many months or even a year or two, then when problems arise,, he would drink heavily for all day for a week or so and ends up in hospital. His last drinking episode was in 2006.. One question, if I may? what in his horoscope denied him of children,, he loves children very much. Many thanks Warmest regards Sheevani , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > dear shivani ji . > > > > I was realy studying the chart with various options and its realay a > interesting chart which

reveals almost all astro principles known to me > . > > > > Nativ has shoola yoga ( sapta grahas in 3 signs) and a spoiled gaja > kesary yoga . > > > > All most all benefic dasas to lagna has passed already and now sani s > dasa running who is debilated in amsa . > > > > rahu in 8th house and sani is debilated (also combust )as 7th Lord ( > both contributed a divorse ) also 9th Lord jup in own house and vakra > .venus the karaka for marriage afflicted heavily .MOOn is weak as shukla > prathama and nite birth .so lagna lord is also weak . > > also 2nd house and Lord and karaka ( jup ) afflicted given him bad > habbits regrds to drinking as affliction in 2nd house . > > > > also affected in earning same is with 4th house > > > >

9th Lord is strong in chart so may be reasons for dependable source of > support from father . > > > > coming periods of rahu and jupiter may giv him some work i hope tho main > period lord is weak . > > > > also sadesati going on and sani goin tru a weak rasi .also next maha of > merc also weak to deliver good results . > > > > > > 9th Lord of dharma is strong ,so praying vishnu will help him if he can > reduce drinking habbits . > > > > regrds sunil nair . > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > , "sheevani147" > <sheevani147@> wrote: > > > > >

> Dear Sunil ji. > > > > Namaste. > > > > Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events in > > his life.. > > > > Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951, > > time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight) > > POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember! > > Lagna is cancer.. > > > > He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very > > intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which > > subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really > > very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken and > > written, good with debates, has good general knowledge. > > > > After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in > > 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in > >

rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams but > > didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had > > lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered money > > and had health issues.. > > > > Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got > > married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in sucession > > due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992.. > > > > In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989. > > Started his baristership training but did not complete it. Returned > > home in 1991. > > > > Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons.. > > Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during childbirth.. > > > > After death of child, constant fights

between husband and wife and > > finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in 2007, > > got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with parents, > > looking after them. > > > > No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life.. > > Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever > > things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did > > work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally not > > been very lucky.. > > > > He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking > > habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very > > spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks after > > his parents well. > > > > Warmest regards > > Sheevani > > >

> , "sunil nair" > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > > > dear shivani ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known > > details > > > to the grp . > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh patra > > > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a feamale > > and > > > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know how > > and > > > what realy happened . > > > > >

> > > > > > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film > > producer > > > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very beutiful > > delhi > > > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to know > > when > > > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some > > relativ > > > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un successful > > lov > > > marriage and divorce . > > > > > > > > > > > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in > > daily > > > entry books . > > > > > > > > > > > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and > > comparisons > > > if possible

.. > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147" > > > <sheevani147@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was born > > on > > > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your mother,, I > > > > thought I was seeing double.. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > >

> > > > > , Vijayanarasimha H > > > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadhji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but even > > > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year > > length, > > > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and on > > Oct > > > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and after > > that > > > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to end > > for > > > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace she >

> was > > > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now. My > > > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha > > during > > > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower > > portion > > > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were > > > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from 1968 > > to > > > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero > > > > income, living in a small house, father working day and night and > > > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in- laws, > > > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a > > > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, father > > >

> had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, etc > > > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a > > very > > > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is > > enjoying > > > > life again. > > > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21. > > > > > > > > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are bad > > > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results to > > the > > > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed well > > and > > > > has power. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vijay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh

sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > Dear Vijay ji, > > > > > I will clarify it further - > > > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna > > > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries > > > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates > > > > head of the native > > > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may give > > > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially > > Ketu) > > > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period. Therefore > > > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and the > > > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear that > > the > > > > said period should be Ju/Ma. > > >

> > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due to > > > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples > > that > > > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year length we > > > > use in a practical perspective. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji) > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji, > > > > > ==> > > > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, > > she

> > > > had brain-haemorrhage in > > > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi > > > > > <== > > > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries (the > > > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara; > > please > > > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana > > year > > > > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also > > > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > Vijayanarasimha > > > > H Pakka > > >

> > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote: > > > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - > > Pt. > > > > Arjun > > > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji) > > > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or obvious) > > how > > > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart as > > > > benefic > > > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get mixed > > > > results > > > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more > > discussions > > > > we can > > > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is the > > one > > > > which > > > > > > truly makes the native

famous, righteous, king-like, etc. I > > would > > > > rather > > > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has some > > bad > > > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and > > strength > > > > of > > > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges > > victorious. > > > > This > > > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take > > while > > > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim that > > a > > > > good > > > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My > > mother > > > > has > > > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had

> > > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter was > > in > > > > ghataka > > > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she recovered > > > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular > > tablets) > > > > now. > > > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some other > > > > planets, > > > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final > > victory > > > > is to > > > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna thread, > > it > > > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of > > jupiter in > > > > each > > > > > > lagna and also influence

of each planet on jupiter in lagna. > > Then > > > > we get > > > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. Jupiter in > > > > Aries > > > > > > lagna, uninfluenced > > > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. Jupiter in > > > > Aries > > > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind the > > > > strength > > > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I can > > say > > > > it > > > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases Anyway, > > as a > > > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with > > > > jupiter's > > > > > > effects in

various lagnas; and just mention as an important > > > > footnote to > > > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and > > > > placement of > > > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / or > > any > > > > other > > > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on jupiter's > > > > effects in > > > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when influenced by > > > > other > > > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it > > difficult > > > > to > > > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my > > lagna > > > > has > > > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter

Regards, Vijay.> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna , > > > > > > > dear maligere ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu ( in > > > > north its > > > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to single > > jup > > > > in > > > > > > lagna how is it possible . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the houses > > > > involved > > > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u hav > > to > > > > giv us > > > > > > feed back ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also born in jup

-merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi > > > > balavasta or > > > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak house > > then > > > > merc ( > > > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th > > dasa ( > > > > another > > > > > > maraka place ) , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other influnces r > > > > there . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > >

om shreem maha laxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "M.A" > > maligere@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in lagna, > > i > > > > have not > > > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this > > > > thread for > > > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties in > > > > life, his > > > > > > health is also nothing to

boast about. > > > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an > > > > attractive > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and > > > > espectable > > > > > > name" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen in > > this > > > > > > persons life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > September 9, 1958 > > > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00", 13 N 00' 00" > >

> > > > > > Hassan, India > > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana > > > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left) > > > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma) > > > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left) > > > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left) > > > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left) > > > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn) > > > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta) > > > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury) > > > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am > > > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm > > > >

> > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618 > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29 > > > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds > > > > > > > > Maligere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > > > > > dear pundit ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas - > > laksham > > > > dosham > > > > > > guru hanti . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences

..for exmaple i wanted to > > > > know more > > > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool > > > > trikon sign > > > > > > also 8th house . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar ji > > is > > > > taurus > > > > > > lagna . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear vijayji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the > > natives > > > > with > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative and > > > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people with > > > > jupiter > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > lagna are as follows: > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar > > > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV > > > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata > > > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao > > > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo > > > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati > > > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi > > > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar > > > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb > > > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors,

rajas, prime > > > > minsiters, > > > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and > > even > > > > saints. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an > > > > attractive > > > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and > > > > > > respectable > > > > > > > > > name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if > > not all > > > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna by > > > > sitting > > > > > > in > > > > >

> > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 houses > > (one > > > > > > quadrant > > > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails earlier, > > > > jupiter > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all > > the > > > > three > > > > > > > > > houses he aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by lord shiva > > to > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural

benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Vijay" > > > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the

group, but its > > > > really > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru > > most of > > > > them > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files > > section > > > > of this > > > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding Jupiter > > in > > > > Lagna I > > > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some > > > > interesting > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and > > their > > > > >

> > > > > characteristics rather than important events in their > > > > life, > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to do > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their lives > > we > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the scope > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me about > > their > > > > > > > > > characters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. IAS

Officer (came with problems in health and > > political > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > in job): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E, > > > > 13.40.N. > > > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer and > > very > > > > > > dynamic > > > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just honest > > > > (which is > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political persons > > and > > > > even > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > >

> death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how to > > > > control > > > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent > > but > > > > at the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th > > house). He > > > > said > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and he > > is > > > > also > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a primary > > > > school > > > > > > > > > teacher > > > > > > > > >

> in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He > > seems to > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was workoholic > > he > > > > had > > > > > > health > > > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published a > > > > poetry > > > > > > book > > > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was > > astonished, > > > > even I > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really > > > > astonishing, very > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel

he > > is > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student. > > > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will, > > seeing > > > > not > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But > > > > character > > > > > > wise, > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and

since > > there > > > > isnt > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he is > > very > > > > > > > > > righteous, > > > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents said > > > > indeed he > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much > > respects all > > > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter dasha, > > he > > > > didnt > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays > > > > tabla

at > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > competitions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of > > > > Legislative > > > > > > > > > > Council), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), but > > my > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and he > > went > > > > to > > > > > > > > > politics > > > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by >

> public > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely > > > > opposite, that > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity works, > > and > > > > sincere > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went into > > > > tears. He > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was very > > > > sincere. > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real estate > > > >

business > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people > > thought > > > > he made > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also uneducated. > > He > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone and > > > > also does > > > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But since > > > > Moon is in > > > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech and > > > > has good > > > > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and

courageous, because > > Mars in > > > > own > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his > > > > enemies in > > > > > > real- > > > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its > > interesting to > > > > see > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > is not well educated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna: > > > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet > > and > > > > > > dignified > > > > > > >

> > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned > > person. > > > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders. > > > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education > > though). > > > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, speech, > > > > poetry, > > > > > > etc), > > > > > > > > > > though not like venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Vijay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in > > > > Lagna. The > > > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. Arjun > > ji > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of > > Jupiter > > > > and its > > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in Lagna. > > Try > > > > to > > > > > > argue > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results > > with > > > > your own > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the discussion > > > > with > > > > > > minimum > > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)- > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in

lagna the native would be > > > > versatile > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches such > > as - > > > > > > > > > Vyakarana, > > > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in Cancer > > the > > > > said > > > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure. > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have good > > > > longevity > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years. > > > > > > > > > > > *

If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic > > planets or > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he > > would > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > interested in > > > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity - > > middle > > > > age, > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his > > > > relatives or > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words > > > > against good > > > > > > > > > > people, > > > >

> > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail. > > > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. > > Hurah, > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > thread of > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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February 8, 2008

Hare ramakrishna,

dear anantha krishna ji ,

which ayanamsa u r using ,what is this chari ayanamsa --or is it chandra hari ayanamsa .

also i feel u r using 8hrs GMT time but its 7.30 hrs GMT those days .Pls read the all posts and re do the chart .

thanks for participating

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, Anantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_98 wrote:>> > Dear Sheevani Ji and Sunil Ji:> If I use Chari Ayanamsa, I get Gemini lagna 27 deg 42.> This puts Rahu in the ninth house, which is the worst place for it to be.> It also answers his problems in the Rahu mahadasa.> Gets married and divorced in Jup dasa; 7L in 10 H (good)and also 7L in 6H(not so good) in NAV- answers why he gets married and later it breaks up in the same mahadasa. Also it was why he was able to get his law degree in this maha dasa..> Fifth Lord Venus (in charge of progeny among other things) is in the enemy's house, afflicted by Mars- a natural and functional malefic and Ketu, -always interested in taking something away from you, which you desire. This might explain why he has no children. > The current and the next maha dasa is Sa and Me. Both of them are functional benefics and are both well situated in friendly/own home. The only problem is that they are both combust, Sat more so than Me.> Next dasa Me which starts in 2012 will be better but of course by then, the prime time would have gone.....> Best wishes> anantha krishnan> sheevani147 sheevani147 wrote: Dear Sunilji,> > Namaste ji,> > Thank you for your analysis of the chart.. > > My personal views are that Rahu mahadasha was the hardest period for > him, lots of frustrations and health problems,, also the period he > started drinking..> > Jupiter MD, so far has been his best period, he was happier in > himself and got his Law degree..> > Regarding his drinking habits,, although like all alcoholics it > started with drinking on a daily basis,, but later( 1990's onwards) > it was more 'binge drinking' meaning he wud not touch alcohol for > many months or even a year or two, then when problems arise,, he > would drink heavily for all day for a week or so and ends up in > hospital. His last drinking episode was in 2006.. > > One question, if I may? what in his horoscope denied him of > children,, he loves children very much.> > Many thanks> > Warmest regards> Sheevani> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear shivani ji .> > > > > > > > I was realy studying the chart with various options and its > realay a> > interesting chart which reveals almost all astro principles known > to me> > .> > > > > > > > Nativ has shoola yoga ( sapta grahas in 3 signs) and a spoiled gaja> > kesary yoga .> > > > > > > > All most all benefic dasas to lagna has passed already and now sani > s> > dasa running who is debilated in amsa .> > > > > > > > rahu in 8th house and sani is debilated (also combust )as 7th Lord (> > both contributed a divorse ) also 9th Lord jup in own house and > vakra> > .venus the karaka for marriage afflicted heavily .MOOn is weak as > shukla> > prathama and nite birth .so lagna lord is also weak .> > > > also 2nd house and Lord and karaka ( jup ) afflicted given him > bad> > habbits regrds to drinking as affliction in 2nd house .> > > > > > > > also affected in earning same is with 4th house> > > > > > > > 9th Lord is strong in chart so may be reasons for dependable source > of> > support from father .> > > > > > > > coming periods of rahu and jupiter may giv him some work i hope tho > main> > period lord is weak .> > > > > > > > also sadesati going on and sani goin tru a weak rasi .also next > maha of> > merc also weak to deliver good results .> > > > > > > > > > > > 9th Lord of dharma is strong ,so praying vishnu will help him if he > can> > reduce drinking habbits .> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147"> > <sheevani147@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji.> > >> > > Namaste.> > >> > > Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events > in> > > his life..> > >> > > Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,> > > time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)> > > POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember!> > > Lagna is cancer..> > >> > > He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very> > > intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which> > > subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really> > > very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken > and> > > written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.> > >> > > After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in> > > 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in> > > rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams > but> > > didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had> > > lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered > money> > > and had health issues..> > >> > > Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got> > > married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in > sucession> > > due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..> > >> > > In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989.> > > Started his baristership training but did not complete it. > Returned> > > home in 1991.> > >> > > Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons..> > > Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during > childbirth..> > >> > > After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife and> > > finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in 2007,> > > got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with > parents,> > > looking after them.> > >> > > No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life..> > > Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever> > > things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did> > > work hard for periods, but efforts were not consistent..Generally > not> > > been very lucky..> > >> > > He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking> > > habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very> > > spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks > after> > > his parents well.> > >> > > Warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > >> > > > dear shivani ji ,> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known> > > details> > > > to the grp .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh > patra> > > > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a > feamale> > > and> > > > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know > how> > > and> > > > what realy happened .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film> > > producer> > > > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very > beutiful> > > delhi> > > > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to > know> > > when> > > > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some> > > relativ> > > > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un > successful> > > lov> > > > marriage and divorce .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in> > > daily> > > > entry books .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and> > > comparisons> > > > if possible .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sheevani147"> > > > <sheevani147@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namaste,> > > > >> > > > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was > born> > > on> > > > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your > mother,, I> > > > > thought I was seeing double..> > > > >> > > > > warmest regards> > > > > Sheevani> > > > >> > > > > , > Vijayanarasimha H> > > > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Shreenadhji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but > even> > > > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year> > > length,> > > > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and > on> > > Oct> > > > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and > after> > > that> > > > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to > end> > > for> > > > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace > she> > > was> > > > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family > now. My> > > > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha> > > during> > > > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower> > > portion> > > > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were> > > > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from > 1968> > > to> > > > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents > (zero> > > > > income, living in a small house, father working day and night > and> > > > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in-> laws,> > > > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a> > > > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, > father> > > > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, > etc> > > > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a> > > very> > > > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is> > > enjoying> > > > > life again.> > > > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.> > > > > >> > > > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are > bad> > > > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good > results to> > > the> > > > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed > well> > > and> > > > > has power.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > Vijay.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > > > > I will clarify it further -> > > > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna> > > > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries> > > > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates> > > > > head of the native> > > > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may > give> > > > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially> > > Ketu)> > > > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period. > Therefore> > > > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and > the> > > > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear > that> > > the> > > > > said period should be Ju/Ma.> > > > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, > due to> > > > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples> > > that> > > > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year > length we> > > > > use in a practical perspective.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in > 8th,> > > she> > > > > had brain-haemorrhage in> > > > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi> > > > > > <==> > > > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries > (the> > > > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara;> > > please> > > > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day > Savana> > > year> > > > > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not. > Also> > > > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ,> > > Vijayanarasimha> > > > > H Pakka> > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread > owners -> > > Pt.> > > > > Arjun> > > > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or > obvious)> > > how> > > > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the > chart as> > > > > benefic> > > > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get > mixed> > > > > results> > > > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more> > > discussions> > > > > we can> > > > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is > the> > > one> > > > > which> > > > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. > I> > > would> > > > > rather> > > > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has > some> > > bad> > > > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and> > > strength> > > > > of> > > > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges> > > victorious.> > > > > This> > > > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take> > > while> > > > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim > that> > > a> > > > > good> > > > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My> > > mother> > > > > has> > > > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had> > > > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter > was> > > in> > > > > ghataka> > > > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she > recovered> > > > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular> > > tablets)> > > > > now.> > > > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some > other> > > > > planets,> > > > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final> > > victory> > > > > is to> > > > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna > thread,> > > it> > > > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of> > > jupiter in> > > > > each> > > > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in > lagna.> > > Then> > > > > we get> > > > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. > Jupiter in> > > > > Aries> > > > > > > lagna, uninfluenced> > > > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. > Jupiter in> > > > > Aries> > > > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in mind > the> > > > > strength> > > > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I > can> > > say> > > > > it> > > > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases > Anyway,> > > as a> > > > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up > with> > > > > jupiter's> > > > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an > important> > > > > footnote to> > > > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and> > > > > placement of> > > > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / > or> > > any> > > > > other> > > > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on > jupiter's> > > > > effects in> > > > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when > influenced by> > > > > other> > > > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it> > > difficult> > > > > to> > > > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my> > > lagna> > > > > has> > > > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > > > > > dear maligere ji ,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu > ( in> > > > > north its> > > > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to > single> > > jup> > > > > in> > > > > > > lagna how is it possible .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the > houses> > > > > involved> > > > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u > hav> > > to> > > > > giv us> > > > > > > feed back ) .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi> > > > > balavasta or> > > > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak > house> > > then> > > > > merc (> > > > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th> > > dasa (> > > > > another> > > > > > > maraka place ) ,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other > influnces r> > > > > there .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "M.A"> > > maligere@> > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in > lagna,> > > i> > > > > have not> > > > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in > this> > > > > thread for> > > > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but > difficulties in> > > > > life, his> > > > > > > health is also nothing to boast about.> > > > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an> > > > > attractive> > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and> > > > > espectable> > > > > > > name"> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have > seen in> > > this> > > > > > > persons life> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas> > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > September 9, 1958> > > > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am> > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00", 13 N 00' 00"> > > > > > > > > Hassan, India> > > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana> > > > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)> > > > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> > > > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)> > > > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)> > > > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)> > > > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)> > > > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)> > > > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)> > > > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am> > > > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm> > > > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618> > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29> > > > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds> > > > > > > > > Maligere> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > > > > dear pundit ji ,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas -> > > laksham> > > > > dosham> > > > > > > guru hanti .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i > wanted to> > > > > know more> > > > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his > mool> > > > > trikon sign> > > > > > > also 8th house .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha > mangeshwar ji> > > is> > > > > taurus> > > > > > > lagna .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > dear vijayji> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the> > > natives> > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is informative > and> > > > > > > appreciated.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people > with> > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > lagna are as follows:> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar> > > > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV> > > > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata> > > > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao> > > > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo> > > > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati> > > > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi> > > > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar> > > > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb> > > > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, > prime> > > > > minsiters,> > > > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and> > > even> > > > > saints.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an> > > > > attractive> > > > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, > courageous and> > > > > > > respectable> > > > > > > > > > name.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if> > > not all> > > > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils > lagna by> > > > > sitting> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 > houses> > > (one> > > > > > > quadrant> > > > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails > earlier,> > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on > all> > > the> > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > houses he aspect.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by lord > shiva> > > to> > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh > doshams.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > , "Vijay"> > > > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but > its> > > > > really> > > > > > > great> > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru> > > most of> > > > > them> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files> > > section> > > > > of this> > > > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding > Jupiter> > > in> > > > > Lagna I> > > > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some> > > > > interesting> > > > > > > cases.> > > > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and> > > their> > > > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in > their> > > > > life,> > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little > to do> > > > > with the> > > > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their > lives> > > we> > > > > have to> > > > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of the > scope> > > of> > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me > about> > > their> > > > > > > > > > characters.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and> > > political> > > > > > > problems> > > > > > > > > > > in job):> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E,> > > > > 13.40.N.> > > > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer > and> > > very> > > > > > > dynamic> > > > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just > honest> > > > > (which is> > > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political > persons> > > and> > > > > even> > > > > > > got> > > > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows > how to> > > > > control> > > > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very > decent> > > but> > > > > at the> > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th> > > house). He> > > > > said> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest > and he> > > is> > > > > also> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a > primary> > > > > school> > > > > > > > > > teacher> > > > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He> > > seems to> > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was > workoholic> > > he> > > > > had> > > > > > > health> > > > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has > published a> > > > > poetry> > > > > > > book> > > > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was> > > astonished,> > > > > even I> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really> > > > > astonishing, very> > > > > > > > > > clear> > > > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you > feel he> > > is> > > > > really> > > > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student.> > > > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will > join a> > > > > > > professional> > > > > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he will,> > > seeing> > > > > not> > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But> > > > > character> > > > > > > wise,> > > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since> > > there> > > > > isnt> > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he > is> > > very> > > > > > > > > > righteous,> > > > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents > said> > > > > indeed he> > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much> > > respects all> > > > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter > dasha,> > > he> > > > > didnt> > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he > plays> > > > > tabla at> > > > > > > > > > various> > > > > > > > > > > competitions.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of> > > > > Legislative> > > > > > > > > > > Council),> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election (MP), > but> > > my> > > > > mother> > > > > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and > he> > > went> > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > politics> > > > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by> > > public> > > > > to be> > > > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely> > > > > opposite, that> > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity > works,> > > and> > > > > sincere> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went > into> > > > > tears. He> > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was > very> > > > > sincere.> > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real > estate> > > > > business> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people> > > thought> > > > > he made> > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also > uneducated.> > > He> > > > > is not> > > > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects > everyone and> > > > > also does> > > > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But > since> > > > > Moon is in> > > > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in > speech and> > > > > has good> > > > > > > > > > mind.> > > > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because> > > Mars in> > > > > own> > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with > his> > > > > enemies in> > > > > > > real-> > > > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its> > > interesting to> > > > > see> > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > is not well educated.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna:> > > > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have > sweet> > > and> > > > > > > dignified> > > > > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned> > > person.> > > > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.> > > > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education> > > though).> > > > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, > speech,> > > > > poetry,> > > > > > > etc),> > > > > > > > > > > though not like venus.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > Vijay.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter > in> > > > > Lagna. The> > > > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. > Arjun> > > ji> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > Srinivas> > > > > > > > > > > ji.> > > > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of> > > Jupiter> > > > > and its> > > > > > > > > > power> > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in > Lagna.> > > Try> > > > > to> > > > > > > argue> > > > > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results> > > with> > > > > your own> > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the > discussion> > > > > with> > > > > > > minimum> > > > > > > > > > > inputs> > > > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-> > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native > would be> > > > > versatile> > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches > such> > > as -> > > > > > > > > > Vyakarana,> > > > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in > Cancer> > > the> > > > > said> > > > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.> > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have > good> > > > > longevity> > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.> > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic> > > planets or> > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - > he> > > would> > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > interested in> > > > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity -> > > middle> > > > > age,> > > > > > > too> > > > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his> > > > > relatives or> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words> > > > > against good> > > > > > > > > > > people,> > > > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.> > > > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. > > > Hurah,> > > > > to the> > > > > > > > > > > thread of> > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast> > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > Search.> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > > > > > Mobile. Try> > > > > > > it now.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > > Mobile.> > > > > Try it now.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

February 8, 2008

Dear Ananthji,Quite interesting find. But how do we in general determine which ayanamsha to use. I am confused over this.Regards,Vijay.Anantha Krishnan <anantha_krishnan_98 wrote: Dear Sheevani Ji and Sunil Ji:If I use Chari Ayanamsa, I get Gemini lagna 27 deg 42.This puts Rahu in the ninth house, which is the worst place for it to be.It also answers his problems in the Rahu mahadasa.Gets married and divorced in Jup dasa; 7L in 10 H (good)and also 7L in 6H(not so good) in NAV- answers why he gets married

and later it breaks up in the same mahadasa. Also it was why he was able to get his law degree in this maha dasa..Fifth Lord Venus (in charge of progeny among other things) is in the enemy's house, afflicted by Mars- a natural and functional malefic and Ketu, -always interested in taking something away from you, which you desire. This might explain why he has no children. The current and the next maha dasa is Sa and Me. Both of them are functional benefics and are both well situated in friendly/own home. The only problem is that they are both combust, Sat more so than Me.Next dasa Me which starts in 2012 will be better but of course by then, the prime time would have gone.....Best wishesanantha krishnansheevani147 <sheevani147 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Sunilji, Namaste ji,

Thank you for your analysis of the chart.. My personal views are that Rahu mahadasha was the hardest period for him, lots of frustrations and health problems,, also the period he started drinking.. Jupiter MD, so far has been his best period, he was happier in himself and got his Law degree.. Regarding his drinking habits,, although like all alcoholics it started with drinking on a daily basis,, but later( 1990's onwards) it was more 'binge drinking' meaning he wud not touch alcohol for many months or even a year or two, then when problems arise,, he would drink heavily for all day for a week or so and ends up in hospital. His last drinking episode was in 2006.. One question, if I may? what in his horoscope denied him of children,, he loves children very much. Many thanks Warmest regards Sheevani , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > dear shivani ji . > > > > I was realy studying the chart with various options and its realay a > interesting chart which reveals almost all astro principles known to me > . > > > > Nativ has shoola yoga ( sapta grahas in 3 signs) and a spoiled gaja > kesary yoga . > > > > All most all benefic dasas to lagna has passed already and now sani s > dasa running who is debilated in amsa . > > > > rahu in 8th house and sani is debilated (also combust )as 7th Lord ( > both contributed a divorse ) also 9th Lord jup in own house and

vakra > .venus the karaka for marriage afflicted heavily .MOOn is weak as shukla > prathama and nite birth .so lagna lord is also weak . > > also 2nd house and Lord and karaka ( jup ) afflicted given him bad > habbits regrds to drinking as affliction in 2nd house . > > > > also affected in earning same is with 4th house > > > > 9th Lord is strong in chart so may be reasons for dependable source of > support from father . > > > > coming periods of rahu and jupiter may giv him some work i hope tho main > period lord is weak . > > > > also sadesati going on and sani goin tru a weak rasi .also next maha of > merc also weak to deliver good results . > > > > > > 9th Lord of dharma is strong ,so praying vishnu will help him

if he can > reduce drinking habbits . > > > > regrds sunil nair . > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > , "sheevani147" > <sheevani147@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji. > > > > Namaste. > > > > Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and events in > > his life.. > > > > Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951, > > time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight) > > POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might remember! > > Lagna is cancer.. > > > > He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very > > intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a

quick temper, which > > subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is really > > very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both spoken and > > written, good with debates, has good general knowledge. > > > > After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to India in > > 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in > > rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his exams but > > didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong company,, had > > lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, sqandered money > > and had health issues.. > > > > Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service and got > > married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in sucession > > due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992.. >

> > > In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in 1989. > > Started his baristership training but did not complete it. Returned > > home in 1991. > > > > Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young sons.. > > Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during childbirth.. > > > > After death of child, constant fights between husband and wife and > > finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in 2007, > > got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with parents, > > looking after them. > > > > No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his life.. > > Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever > > things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and did > > work hard for periods, but efforts were not

consistent..Generally not > > been very lucky.. > > > > He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to drinking > > habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very > > spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and looks after > > his parents well. > > > > Warmest regards > > Sheevani > > > > , "sunil nair" > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > > > dear shivani ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known > > details > > > to the

grp . > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh patra > > > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a feamale > > and > > > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to know how > > and > > > what realy happened . > > > > > > > > > > > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film > > producer > > > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very beutiful > > delhi > > > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted to know > > when > > > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by some > > relativ > > > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un

successful > > lov > > > marriage and divorce . > > > > > > > > > > > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where in > > daily > > > entry books . > > > > > > > > > > > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and > > comparisons > > > if possible . > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147" > > > <sheevani147@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He was born > > on > > > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your mother,, I > > > > thought I was seeing double.. > > > > > > > > warmest regards > > > > Sheevani > > > > > > > > , Vijayanarasimha H > > > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadhji, > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, but even > > > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in year

> > length, > > > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 and on > > Oct > > > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and after > > that > > > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life seemed to end > > for > > > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's grace she > > was > > > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family now. My > > > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus dasha > > during > > > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her lower > > portion > > > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We were > > > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, from 1968 > > to >

> > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents (zero > > > > income, living in a small house, father working day and night and > > > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from in- laws, > > > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a > > > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost vanished, father > > > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established industry, etc > > > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she had a > > very > > > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is > > enjoying > > > > life again. > > > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21. > > > > > > > > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets are

bad > > > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good results to > > the > > > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed well > > and > > > > has power. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vijay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > Dear Vijay ji, > > > > > I will clarify it further - > > > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna > > > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries > > > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates > > > > head of the native > > > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that may give > > >

> disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer (especially > > Ketu) > > > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period. Therefore > > > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease and the > > > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear that > > the > > > > said period should be Ju/Ma. > > > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong, due to > > > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such examples > > that > > > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year length we > > > > use in a practical perspective. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji) > > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji, > > > > > ==> > > > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, > > she > > > > had brain-haemorrhage in > > > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi > > > > > <== > > > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of Aries (the > > > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars antara; > > please > > > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day Savana > > year > > > > and let

me know whether this assumption is correct or not. Also > > > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > Vijayanarasimha > > > > H Pakka > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote: > > > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - > > Pt. > > > > Arjun > > > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji) > > > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or obvious) > > how > > > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the chart as > > > >

benefic > > > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get mixed > > > > results > > > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more > > discussions > > > > we can > > > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter is the > > one > > > > which > > > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, etc. I > > would > > > > rather > > > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native has some > > bad > > > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement and > > strength > > > > of > > > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges > > victorious. > > > >

This > > > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should take > > while > > > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to proclaim that > > a > > > > good > > > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. My > > mother > > > > has > > > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she had > > > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also jupiter was > > in > > > > ghataka > > > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she recovered > > > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some regular > > tablets) > > > > now. > > > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some

other > > > > planets, > > > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the final > > victory > > > > is to > > > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna thread, > > it > > > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of > > jupiter in > > > > each > > > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in lagna. > > Then > > > > we get > > > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1. Jupiter in > > > > Aries > > > > > > lagna, uninfluenced > > > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3. Jupiter in > > > > Aries > > > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we

should keep in mind the > > > > strength > > > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many combinations, I can > > say > > > > it > > > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases Anyway, > > as a > > > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up with > > > > jupiter's > > > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an important > > > > footnote to > > > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other planets and > > > > placement of > > > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / Neelamji / or > > any > > > > other > > > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on jupiter's > >

> > effects in > > > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when influenced by > > > > other > > > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find it > > difficult > > > > to > > > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe because my > > lagna > > > > has > > > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna , > > > > > > > dear maligere ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic rahu ( in > > > > north its > > > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to single > > jup > > > > in > > > > >

> lagna how is it possible . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the houses > > > > involved > > > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . ( u hav > > to > > > > giv us > > > > > > feed back ) . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( Athi > > > > balavasta or > > > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak house > > then > > > > merc ( > > > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in 7th > > dasa ( > > > > another > > > > > > maraka place ) , > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > But i think he must hav born in good family ?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other influnces r > > > > there . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "M.A" > > maligere@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in lagna, > > i > > > > have not > > > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here in this > > > > thread for > > > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but difficulties in > > > > life, his > > > > > > health is also nothing to boast about. > > > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an > > > > attractive > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and > > > > espectable > > > > > > name" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have seen in > > this

> > > > > > persons life > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas > > > > > > > > Natal Chart > > > > > > > > September 9, 1958 > > > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT) > > > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00", 13 N 00' 00" > > > > > > > > Hassan, India > > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters > > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana > > > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left) > > > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma) > > > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left) > > > > > > > > Yoga:

Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left) > > > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left) > > > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn) > > > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta) > > > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury) > > > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am > > > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm > > > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618 > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29 > > > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds > > > > > > > > Maligere > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna , > > > > > > > > dear pundit ji , > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore doshas - > > laksham > > > > dosham > > > > > > guru hanti . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i wanted to > > > > know more > > > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his mool > > > > trikon sign > > > > > > also 8th house . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha mangeshwar ji > > is > > > > taurus > > > > > >

lagna . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004" > > > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear vijayji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of the > > natives > > > > with > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is

informative and > > > > > > appreciated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable people with > > > > jupiter > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > lagna are as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar > > > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja wadiyar IV > > > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata > > > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao > > > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo > > > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati > > > > > > > > >

7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi > > > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar > > > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb > > > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas, prime > > > > minsiters, > > > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, sportspersons and > > even > > > > saints. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native an > > > > attractive > > > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous and > > > > > > respectable > > > > > > > > >

name. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by most if > > not all > > > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils lagna by > > > > sitting > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9 houses > > (one > > > > > > quadrant > > > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails earlier, > > > > jupiter > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits on all > > the

> > > > three > > > > > > > > > houses he aspect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by lord shiva > > to > > > > jupiter > > > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh doshams. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Vijay" > > > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, but its > > > > really > > > > > > great > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went thru > > most of > > > > them > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the files > > section > > > > of this > > > > >

> > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding Jupiter > > in > > > > Lagna I > > > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found some > > > > interesting > > > > > > cases. > > > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth and > > their > > > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events in their > > > > life, > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has little to do > > > > with the > > > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their lives > > we > > > > have to > > > > > > > > > >

consider all other effects, which is out of the scope > > of > > > > the > > > > > > > > > present > > > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me about > > their > > > > > > > > > characters. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health and > > political > > > > > > problems > > > > > > > > > > in job): > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, 77.41.E, > > > > 13.40.N. > > > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright officer and > > very > > >

> > > dynamic > > > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not just honest > > > > (which is > > > > > > > > > why > > > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political persons > > and > > > > even > > > > > > got > > > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and knows how to > > > > control > > > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very decent > > but > > > > at the > > > > > > same > > > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th > > house). He > > > > said > > > > > > he > > > >

> > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest and he > > is > > > > also > > > > > > not > > > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a primary > > > > school > > > > > > > > > teacher > > > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. He > > seems to > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was workoholic > > he > > > > had > > > > > > health > > > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has published a > > > > poetry > > > > > > book > > > >

> > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was > > astonished, > > > > even I > > > > > > was > > > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really > > > > astonishing, very > > > > > > > > > clear > > > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you feel he > > is > > > > really > > > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, student. > > > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will join a > > > > > > professional > > > > > > > > >

> course or not, which my mother predicted he will, > > seeing > > > > not > > > > > > only > > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good sidhamsha). But > > > > character > > > > > > wise, > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and since > > there > > > > isnt > > > > > > any > > > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely say he is > > very > > > > > > > > > righteous, > > > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The parents said > > > > indeed he > > > > > > was > > > > > > > >

> a > > > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much > > respects all > > > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter dasha, > > he > > > > didnt > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he plays > > > > tabla at > > > > > > > > > various > > > > > > > > > > competitions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC (Member of > > > > Legislative > > > > > > > > > > Council), > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He came to ask

whether he will win election (MP), but > > my > > > > mother > > > > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, and he > > went > > > > to > > > > > > > > > politics > > > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely known by > > public > > > > to be > > > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said completely > > > > opposite, that > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity works, > > and > > > > sincere > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and

almost went into > > > > tears. He > > > > > > said > > > > > > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he was very > > > > sincere. > > > > > > He > > > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in real estate > > > > business > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but people > > thought > > > > he made > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also uneducated. > > He > > > > is not > > > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects everyone

and > > > > also does > > > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. But since > > > > Moon is in > > > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in speech and > > > > has good > > > > > > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, because > > Mars in > > > > own > > > > > > house > > > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt with his > > > > enemies in > > > > > > real- > > > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its > > interesting to > > > > see > > > > > > that > > > >

> > > > > he > > > > > > > > > > is not well educated. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in Lagna: > > > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have sweet > > and > > > > > > dignified > > > > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a learned > > person. > > > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders. > > > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about education > > though). > > > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music, speech, > > > > poetry, > > > > > > etc), > > > > >

> > > > > though not like venus. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > Vijay. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of Jupiter in > > > > Lagna. The > > > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are Pt. Arjun > >

ji > > > > and > > > > > > > > > Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > ji. > > > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor of > > Jupiter > > > > and its > > > > > > > > > power > > > > > > > > > > to > > > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in Lagna. > > Try > > > > to > > > > > > argue > > > > > > > > > > against > > > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the results > > with > > > > your own > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > >

> > the charts known to you. I will start the discussion > > > > with > > > > > > minimum > > > > > > > > > > inputs > > > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)- > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native would be > > > > versatile > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge branches such > > as - > > > > > > > > > Vyakarana, > > > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in Cancer > > the > > > > said > > > > > > > > > results > > > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure. >

> > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will have good > > > > longevity > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years. > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic > > planets or > > > > in > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy house - he > > would > > > > be > > > > > > > > > > interested in > > > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, longevity - > > middle > > > > age, > > > > > > too > > > > > > > > > much > > > > > > > > >

> > travel, egotic, no children, he will discard his > > > > relatives or > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad words > > > > against good > > > > > > > > > > people, > > > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail. > > > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter Centric.. > > Hurah, > > > > to the > > > > > > > > > > thread of > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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February 8, 2008

Dear Sunil ji,

Namaste,

Thank you so much for the analysis..I have often see the various

sphutas.. prana, deha, mitru, trisphutas mentioned in both PL and

Jhora but I have no proper understanding of it. Perhaps if time and

situations permit,, you could give us some guiding principles and

appropriate applications.

Many thanks

Sheevani

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare rama krishna ,

>

> dear shivani ji ,

>

> yes rahu maha dasa can be very tricky since its in 8th house (

tho

> some schools of astro follows rahu is in own house when in kumbha

rasi )

> but that result is never i found out b true and even wen analysing

the

> chart this dictum coming as a stumbling block and now a days r more

sure

> of it .

>

> His case for children

>

> ================

>

> see 5th Lord is under rahu ketu axis .Karaka for 5th HOuse for

> children is jup again vakri and afflicted .5th house is aspected by

sani

> planet of slowness .Even gulik ( not jhora one ) given its amsa to

5th

> HOuse .

>

> Karaka for semen is venus again very heavily afflicted .Power to

help

> cause pregnancy is strenght of sun (as natural putra rasi owner and

> universal atma karak) .U can see he is with sani .

>

> also beeja sphuta ( the virility point in male charts) has fall in

a

> makara ,a female sign and in amsa its aries (male sign ) but sani is

> sitting there .Also lord of beeja sputa rasi is sani who is combust

and

> weak in navamsa .

>

> From Karaka Jup also 5th Lord was Moon and u know its weak and

afflicted

> .So all the results was showing a mixed result .

>

> I will write abt beeja sputa (male virility ) khetra sphuta ( female

> virility ) and santan thithi and other concepts when ever i get

time in

> grp .If some one has prashna maarga translated by BV raman in

english it

> gives so many yogas and concepts .

>

> Hope this helps u .

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

, " sheevani147 "

> <sheevani147@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunilji,

> >

> > Namaste ji,

> >

> > Thank you for your analysis of the chart..

> >

> > My personal views are that Rahu mahadasha was the hardest period

for

> > him, lots of frustrations and health problems,, also the period he

> > started drinking..

> >

> > Jupiter MD, so far has been his best period, he was happier in

> > himself and got his Law degree..

> >

> > Regarding his drinking habits,, although like all alcoholics it

> > started with drinking on a daily basis,, but later( 1990's

onwards)

> > it was more 'binge drinking' meaning he wud not touch alcohol for

> > many months or even a year or two, then when problems arise,, he

> > would drink heavily for all day for a week or so and ends up in

> > hospital. His last drinking episode was in 2006..

> >

> > One question, if I may? what in his horoscope denied him of

> > children,, he loves children very much.

> >

> > Many thanks

> >

> > Warmest regards

> > Sheevani

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > >

> > > dear shivani ji .

> > >

> > > I was realy studying the chart with various options and its

> > realay a

> > > interesting chart which reveals almost all astro principles

known

> > to me

> > > .

> > >

> > > Nativ has shoola yoga ( sapta grahas in 3 signs) and a spoiled

gaja

> > > kesary yoga .

> > >

> > > All most all benefic dasas to lagna has passed already and now

sani

> > s

> > > dasa running who is debilated in amsa .

> > >

> > > rahu in 8th house and sani is debilated (also combust )as 7th

Lord (

> > > both contributed a divorse ) also 9th Lord jup in own house and

> > vakra

> > > .venus the karaka for marriage afflicted heavily .MOOn is weak

as

> > shukla

> > > prathama and nite birth .so lagna lord is also weak .

> > >

> > > also 2nd house and Lord and karaka ( jup ) afflicted given him

> > bad

> > > habbits regrds to drinking as affliction in 2nd house .

> > >

> > > also affected in earning same is with 4th house

> > >

> > > 9th Lord is strong in chart so may be reasons for dependable

source

> > of

> > > support from father .

> > >

> > > coming periods of rahu and jupiter may giv him some work i hope

tho

> > main

> > > period lord is weak .

> > >

> > > also sadesati going on and sani goin tru a weak rasi .also next

> > maha of

> > > merc also weak to deliver good results .

> > >

> > > 9th Lord of dharma is strong ,so praying vishnu will help him

if he

> > can

> > > reduce drinking habbits .

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair .

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > > , " sheevani147 "

> > > <sheevani147@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sunil ji.

> > > >

> > > > Namaste.

> > > >

> > > > Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and

events

> > in

> > > > his life..

> > > >

> > > > Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,

> > > > time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)

> > > > POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might

remember!

> > > > Lagna is cancer..

> > > >

> > > > He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very

> > > > intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which

> > > > subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is

really

> > > > very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both

spoken

> > and

> > > > written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.

> > > >

> > > > After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to

India in

> > > > 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in

> > > > rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his

exams

> > but

> > > > didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong

company,, had

> > > > lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly,

sqandered

> > money

> > > > and had health issues..

> > > >

> > > > Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service

and got

> > > > married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in

> > sucession

> > > > due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..

> > > >

> > > > In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in

1989.

> > > > Started his baristership training but did not complete it.

> > Returned

> > > > home in 1991.

> > > >

> > > > Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young

sons..

> > > > Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during

> > childbirth..

> > > >

> > > > After death of child, constant fights between husband and

wife and

> > > > finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in

2007,

> > > > got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with

> > parents,

> > > > looking after them.

> > > >

> > > > No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his

life..

> > > > Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever

> > > > things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and

did

> > > > work hard for periods, but efforts were not

consistent..Generally

> > not

> > > > been very lucky..

> > > >

> > > > He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to

drinking

> > > > habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very

> > > > spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and

looks

> > after

> > > > his parents well.

> > > >

> > > > Warmest regards

> > > > Sheevani

> > > >

> > > > , " sunil nair "

> > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > > > >

> > > > > dear shivani ji ,

> > > > >

> > > > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known

> > > > details

> > > > > to the grp .

> > > > >

> > > > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh

> > patra

> > > > > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a

> > feamale

> > > > and

> > > > > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to

know

> > how

> > > > and

> > > > > what realy happened .

> > > > >

> > > > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film

> > > > producer

> > > > > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very

> > beutiful

> > > > delhi

> > > > > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted

to

> > know

> > > > when

> > > > > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by

some

> > > > relativ

> > > > > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un

> > successful

> > > > lov

> > > > > marriage and divorce .

> > > > >

> > > > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where

in

> > > > daily

> > > > > entry books .

> > > > >

> > > > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and

> > > > comparisons

> > > > > if possible .

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

, " sheevani147 "

> > > > > <sheevani147@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Namaste,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He

was

> > born

> > > > on

> > > > > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your

> > mother,, I

> > > > > > thought I was seeing double..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > warmest regards

> > > > > > Sheevani

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ,

> > Vijayanarasimha H

> > > > > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Shreenadhji,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical,

but

> > even

> > > > > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in

year

> > > > length,

> > > > > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001

and

> > on

> > > > Oct

> > > > > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and

> > after

> > > > that

> > > > > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life

seemed to

> > end

> > > > for

> > > > > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's

grace

> > she

> > > > was

> > > > > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family

> > now. My

> > > > > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus

dasha

> > > > during

> > > > > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her

lower

> > > > portion

> > > > > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We

were

> > > > > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha,

from

> > 1968

> > > > to

> > > > > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents

> > (zero

> > > > > > income, living in a small house, father working day and

night

> > and

> > > > > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from

in-

> > laws,

> > > > > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a

> > > > > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost

vanished,

> > father

> > > > > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established

industry,

> > etc

> > > > > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she

had a

> > > > very

> > > > > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is

> > > > enjoying

> > > > > > life again.

> > > > > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets

are

> > bad

> > > > > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good

> > results to

> > > > the

> > > > > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed

> > well

> > > > and

> > > > > > has power.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > Vijay.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > > > > > I will clarify it further -

> > > > > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna

> > > > > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries

> > > > > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates

> > > > > > head of the native

> > > > > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that

may

> > give

> > > > > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer

(especially

> > > > Ketu)

> > > > > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period.

> > Therefore

> > > > > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease

and

> > the

> > > > > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear

> > that

> > > > the

> > > > > > said period should be Ju/Ma.

> > > > > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong,

> > due to

> > > > > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such

examples

> > > > that

> > > > > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year

> > length we

> > > > > > use in a practical perspective.

> > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > --- In

, " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji,

> > > > > > > ==>

> > > > > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu

in

> > 8th,

> > > > she

> > > > > > had brain-haemorrhage in

> > > > > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi

> > > > > > > <==

> > > > > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of

Aries

> > (the

> > > > > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars

antara;

> > > > please

> > > > > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day

> > Savana

> > > > year

> > > > > > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not.

> > Also

> > > > > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.

> > > > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > ,

> > > > Vijayanarasimha

> > > > > > H Pakka

> > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread

> > owners -

> > > > Pt.

> > > > > > Arjun

> > > > > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)

> > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or

> > obvious)

> > > > how

> > > > > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the

> > chart as

> > > > > > benefic

> > > > > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get

> > mixed

> > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more

> > > > discussions

> > > > > > we can

> > > > > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter

is

> > the

> > > > one

> > > > > > which

> > > > > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like,

etc.

> > I

> > > > would

> > > > > > rather

> > > > > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native

has

> > some

> > > > bad

> > > > > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement

and

> > > > strength

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges

> > > > victorious.

> > > > > > This

> > > > > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should

take

> > > > while

> > > > > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to

proclaim

> > that

> > > > a

> > > > > > good

> > > > > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like.

My

> > > > mother

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she

had

> > > > > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also

jupiter

> > was

> > > > in

> > > > > > ghataka

> > > > > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she

> > recovered

> > > > > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some

regular

> > > > tablets)

> > > > > > now.

> > > > > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some

> > other

> > > > > > planets,

> > > > > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the

final

> > > > victory

> > > > > > is to

> > > > > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna

> > thread,

> > > > it

> > > > > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of

> > > > jupiter in

> > > > > > each

> > > > > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in

> > lagna.

> > > > Then

> > > > > > we get

> > > > > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1.

> > Jupiter in

> > > > > > Aries

> > > > > > > > lagna, uninfluenced

> > > > > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3.

> > Jupiter in

> > > > > > Aries

> > > > > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in

mind

> > the

> > > > > > strength

> > > > > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many

combinations, I

> > can

> > > > say

> > > > > > it

> > > > > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases

> > Anyway,

> > > > as a

> > > > > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up

> > with

> > > > > > jupiter's

> > > > > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an

> > important

> > > > > > footnote to

> > > > > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other

planets and

> > > > > > placement of

> > > > > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji /

Neelamji /

> > or

> > > > any

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on

> > jupiter's

> > > > > > effects in

> > > > > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when

> > influenced by

> > > > > > other

> > > > > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find

it

> > > > difficult

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe

because my

> > > > lagna

> > > > > > has

> > > > > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>

> > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,

> > > > > > > > > dear maligere ji ,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic

rahu

> > ( in

> > > > > > north its

> > > > > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to

> > single

> > > > jup

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > lagna how is it possible .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the

> > houses

> > > > > > involved

> > > > > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects .

( u

> > hav

> > > > to

> > > > > > giv us

> > > > > > > > feed back ) .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa (

Athi

> > > > > > balavasta or

> > > > > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak

> > house

> > > > then

> > > > > > merc (

> > > > > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in

7th

> > > > dasa (

> > > > > > another

> > > > > > > > maraka place ) ,

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other

> > influnces r

> > > > > > there .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .

> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > --- In

, " M.A "

> > > > maligere@

> > > > > > > > wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in

> > lagna,

> > > > i

> > > > > > have not

> > > > > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here

in

> > this

> > > > > > thread for

> > > > > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but

> > difficulties in

> > > > > > life, his

> > > > > > > > health is also nothing to boast about.

> > > > > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native

an

> > > > > > attractive

> > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous

and

> > > > > > espectable

> > > > > > > > name "

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have

> > seen in

> > > > this

> > > > > > > > persons life

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas

> > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart

> > > > > > > > > > September 9, 1958

> > > > > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am

> > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)

> > > > > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00 " , 13 N 00' 00 "

> > > > > > > > > > Hassan, India

> > > > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters

> > > > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana

> > > > > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)

> > > > > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)

> > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)

> > > > > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)

> > > > > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)

> > > > > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)

> > > > > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)

> > > > > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)

> > > > > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am

> > > > > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm

> > > > > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618

> > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29

> > > > > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds

> > > > > > > > > > Maligere

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,

> > > > > > > > > > dear pundit ji ,

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore

doshas -

> > > > laksham

> > > > > > dosham

> > > > > > > > guru hanti .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i

> > wanted to

> > > > > > know more

> > > > > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his

> > mool

> > > > > > trikon sign

> > > > > > > > also 8th house .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha

> > mangeshwar ji

> > > > is

> > > > > > taurus

> > > > > > > > lagna .

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > >

, " panditarjun2004 "

> > > > > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > dear vijayji

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of

the

> > > > natives

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is

informative

> > and

> > > > > > > > appreciated.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable

people

> > with

> > > > > > jupiter

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna are as follows:

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar

> > > > > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja

wadiyar IV

> > > > > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata

> > > > > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao

> > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo

> > > > > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati

> > > > > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi

> > > > > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar

> > > > > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb

> > > > > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas,

> > prime

> > > > > > minsiters,

> > > > > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers,

sportspersons and

> > > > even

> > > > > > saints.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native

an

> > > > > > attractive

> > > > > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life,

> > courageous and

> > > > > > > > respectable

> > > > > > > > > > > name.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by

most if

> > > > not all

> > > > > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils

> > lagna by

> > > > > > sitting

> > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9

> > houses

> > > > (one

> > > > > > > > quadrant

> > > > > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails

> > earlier,

> > > > > > jupiter

> > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits

on

> > all

> > > > the

> > > > > > three

> > > > > > > > > > > houses he aspect.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > the title " jeeva " or enlivener is granted by

lord

> > shiva

> > > > to

> > > > > > jupiter

> > > > > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh

> > doshams.

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun

> > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > , " Vijay "

> > > > > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group,

but

> > its

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > great

> > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went

thru

> > > > most of

> > > > > > them

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the

files

> > > > section

> > > > > > of this

> > > > > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding

> > Jupiter

> > > > in

> > > > > > Lagna I

> > > > > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found

some

> > > > > > interesting

> > > > > > > > cases.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth

and

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events

in

> > their

> > > > > > life,

> > > > > > > > because

> > > > > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has

little

> > to do

> > > > > > with the

> > > > > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their

> > lives

> > > > we

> > > > > > have to

> > > > > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of

the

> > scope

> > > > of

> > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > present

> > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me

> > about

> > > > their

> > > > > > > > > > > characters.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health

and

> > > > political

> > > > > > > > problems

> > > > > > > > > > > > in job):

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India,

77.41.E,

> > > > > > 13.40.N.

> > > > > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright

officer

> > and

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > dynamic

> > > > > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not

just

> > honest

> > > > > > (which is

> > > > > > > > > > > why

> > > > > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political

> > persons

> > > > and

> > > > > > even

> > > > > > > > got

> > > > > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and

knows

> > how to

> > > > > > control

> > > > > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very

> > decent

> > > > but

> > > > > > at the

> > > > > > > > same

> > > > > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th

> > > > house). He

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > is

> > > > > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest

> > and he

> > > > is

> > > > > > also

> > > > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a

> > primary

> > > > > > school

> > > > > > > > > > > teacher

> > > > > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer.

He

> > > > seems to

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was

> > workoholic

> > > > he

> > > > > > had

> > > > > > > > health

> > > > > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has

> > published a

> > > > > > poetry

> > > > > > > > book

> > > > > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was

> > > > astonished,

> > > > > > even I

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really

> > > > > > astonishing, very

> > > > > > > > > > > clear

> > > > > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you

> > feel he

> > > > is

> > > > > > really

> > > > > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India,

student.

> > > > > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will

> > join a

> > > > > > > > professional

> > > > > > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he

will,

> > > > seeing

> > > > > > not

> > > > > > > > only

> > > > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good

sidhamsha). But

> > > > > > character

> > > > > > > > wise,

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and

since

> > > > there

> > > > > > isnt

> > > > > > > > any

> > > > > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely

say he

> > is

> > > > very

> > > > > > > > > > > righteous,

> > > > > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The

parents

> > said

> > > > > > indeed he

> > > > > > > > was

> > > > > > > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much

> > > > respects all

> > > > > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter

> > dasha,

> > > > he

> > > > > > didnt

> > > > > > > > have

> > > > > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he

> > plays

> > > > > > tabla at

> > > > > > > > > > > various

> > > > > > > > > > > > competitions.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC

(Member of

> > > > > > Legislative

> > > > > > > > > > > > Council),

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election

(MP),

> > but

> > > > my

> > > > > > mother

> > > > > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics,

and

> > he

> > > > went

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > politics

> > > > > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely

known by

> > > > public

> > > > > > to be

> > > > > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said

completely

> > > > > > opposite, that

> > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity

> > works,

> > > > and

> > > > > > sincere

> > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went

> > into

> > > > > > tears. He

> > > > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he

was

> > very

> > > > > > sincere.

> > > > > > > > He

> > > > > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in

real

> > estate

> > > > > > business

> > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but

people

> > > > thought

> > > > > > he made

> > > > > > > > all

> > > > > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also

> > uneducated.

> > > > He

> > > > > > is not

> > > > > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects

> > everyone and

> > > > > > also does

> > > > > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well.

But

> > since

> > > > > > Moon is in

> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in

> > speech and

> > > > > > has good

> > > > > > > > > > > mind.

> > > > > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous,

because

> > > > Mars in

> > > > > > own

> > > > > > > > house

> > > > > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt

with

> > his

> > > > > > enemies in

> > > > > > > > real-

> > > > > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its

> > > > interesting to

> > > > > > see

> > > > > > > > that

> > > > > > > > > > > he

> > > > > > > > > > > > is not well educated.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in

Lagna:

> > > > > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have

> > sweet

> > > > and

> > > > > > > > dignified

> > > > > > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a

learned

> > > > person.

> > > > > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.

> > > > > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about

education

> > > > though).

> > > > > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music,

> > speech,

> > > > > > poetry,

> > > > > > > > etc),

> > > > > > > > > > > > though not like venus.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay.

> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In

> > > > > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of

Jupiter

> > in

> > > > > > Lagna. The

> > > > > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are

Pt.

> > Arjun

> > > > ji

> > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > Srinivas

> > > > > > > > > > > > ji.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor

of

> > > > Jupiter

> > > > > > and its

> > > > > > > > > > > power

> > > > > > > > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in

> > Lagna.

> > > > Try

> > > > > > to

> > > > > > > > argue

> > > > > > > > > > > > against

> > > > > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the

results

> > > > with

> > > > > > your own

> > > > > > > > or

> > > > > > > > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the

> > discussion

> > > > > > with

> > > > > > > > minimum

> > > > > > > > > > > > inputs

> > > > > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-

> > > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native

> > would be

> > > > > > versatile

> > > > > > > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge

branches

> > such

> > > > as -

> > > > > > > > > > > Vyakarana,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in

> > Cancer

> > > > the

> > > > > > said

> > > > > > > > > > > results

> > > > > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will

have

> > good

> > > > > > longevity

> > > > > > > > > > > > and

> > > > > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.

> > > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic

> > > > planets or

> > > > > > in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy

house -

> > he

> > > > would

> > > > > > be

> > > > > > > > > > > > interested in

> > > > > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering,

longevity -

> > > > middle

> > > > > > age,

> > > > > > > > too

> > > > > > > > > > > much

> > > > > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will

discard his

> > > > > > relatives or

> > > > > > > > the

> > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad

words

> > > > > > against good

> > > > > > > > > > > > people,

> > > > > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.

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February 8, 2008

Hare rama krishna .

dear shivani ji .

thanks for good words .

the prana sphuta ,deha sphuta ,mrityu sphuta ,gulik sphuta ,chatur sphuta ,pancha sphuta and tri sphuta all r used in prashna ( horary chart ) than in natal chart in kerala school of astrology .Also i am yet to see some one uses in natal chart analsysis what ever school they follow .

This virility sphuta s are useful on analsysing progency and its applicable to natal charts .I dont know wheter it can be used in prashna .May be sreenadh ji can giv his insight abt it .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "sheevani147" <sheevani147 wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> > Namaste,> > Thank you so much for the analysis..I have often see the various > sphutas.. prana, deha, mitru, trisphutas mentioned in both PL and > Jhora but I have no proper understanding of it. Perhaps if time and > situations permit,, you could give us some guiding principles and > appropriate applications.> > Many thanks> Sheevani> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > dear shivani ji ,> > > > > > > > yes rahu maha dasa can be very tricky since its in 8th house ( > tho> > some schools of astro follows rahu is in own house when in kumbha > rasi )> > but that result is never i found out b true and even wen analysing > the> > chart this dictum coming as a stumbling block and now a days r more > sure> > of it .> > > > > > > > His case for children> > > > ================> > > > see 5th Lord is under rahu ketu axis .Karaka for 5th HOuse for> > children is jup again vakri and afflicted .5th house is aspected by > sani> > planet of slowness .Even gulik ( not jhora one ) given its amsa to > 5th> > HOuse .> > > > > > > > Karaka for semen is venus again very heavily afflicted .Power to > help> > cause pregnancy is strenght of sun (as natural putra rasi owner and> > universal atma karak) .U can see he is with sani .> > > > > > > > also beeja sphuta ( the virility point in male charts) has fall in > a> > makara ,a female sign and in amsa its aries (male sign ) but sani is> > sitting there .Also lord of beeja sputa rasi is sani who is combust > and> > weak in navamsa .> > > > > > > > From Karaka Jup also 5th Lord was Moon and u know its weak and > afflicted> > .So all the results was showing a mixed result .> > > > > > > > I will write abt beeja sputa (male virility ) khetra sphuta ( female> > virility ) and santan thithi and other concepts when ever i get > time in> > grp .If some one has prashna maarga translated by BV raman in > english it> > gives so many yogas and concepts .> > > > > > > > Hope this helps u .> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "sheevani147"> > <sheevani147@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunilji,> > >> > > Namaste ji,> > >> > > Thank you for your analysis of the chart..> > >> > > My personal views are that Rahu mahadasha was the hardest period > for> > > him, lots of frustrations and health problems,, also the period he> > > started drinking..> > >> > > Jupiter MD, so far has been his best period, he was happier in> > > himself and got his Law degree..> > >> > > Regarding his drinking habits,, although like all alcoholics it> > > started with drinking on a daily basis,, but later( 1990's > onwards)> > > it was more 'binge drinking' meaning he wud not touch alcohol for> > > many months or even a year or two, then when problems arise,, he> > > would drink heavily for all day for a week or so and ends up in> > > hospital. His last drinking episode was in 2006..> > >> > > One question, if I may? what in his horoscope denied him of> > > children,, he loves children very much.> > >> > > Many thanks> > >> > > Warmest regards> > > Sheevani> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > >> > > > dear shivani ji .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > I was realy studying the chart with various options and its> > > realay a> > > > interesting chart which reveals almost all astro principles > known> > > to me> > > > .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Nativ has shoola yoga ( sapta grahas in 3 signs) and a spoiled > gaja> > > > kesary yoga .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > All most all benefic dasas to lagna has passed already and now > sani> > > s> > > > dasa running who is debilated in amsa .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > rahu in 8th house and sani is debilated (also combust )as 7th > Lord (> > > > both contributed a divorse ) also 9th Lord jup in own house and> > > vakra> > > > .venus the karaka for marriage afflicted heavily .MOOn is weak > as> > > shukla> > > > prathama and nite birth .so lagna lord is also weak .> > > >> > > > also 2nd house and Lord and karaka ( jup ) afflicted given him> > > bad> > > > habbits regrds to drinking as affliction in 2nd house .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > also affected in earning same is with 4th house> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > 9th Lord is strong in chart so may be reasons for dependable > source> > > of> > > > support from father .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > coming periods of rahu and jupiter may giv him some work i hope > tho> > > main> > > > period lord is weak .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > also sadesati going on and sani goin tru a weak rasi .also next> > > maha of> > > > merc also weak to deliver good results .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > 9th Lord of dharma is strong ,so praying vishnu will help him > if he> > > can> > > > reduce drinking habbits .> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair .> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > , "sheevani147"> > > > <sheevani147@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sunil ji.> > > > >> > > > > Namaste.> > > > >> > > > > Sure Sunil ji,, I am happy to share his birth details and > events> > > in> > > > > his life..> > > > >> > > > > Birthdate,, 2nd October 1951,> > > > > time 01:55 hrs ( past midnight)> > > > > POB.. Penang, Malaysia..(Timezone +7.5 hrs GMT) u might > remember!> > > > > Lagna is cancer..> > > > >> > > > > He is good looking, light skin, 5'6 tall. slim built. Very> > > > > intelligent, soft spoken, though he has a quick temper, which> > > > > subsides quickly too. although he appears arrogant, but is > really> > > > > very friendly and caring.. good communication skills, both > spoken> > > and> > > > > written, good with debates, has good general knowledge.> > > > >> > > > > After completing his senior cambridge exams, travelled to > India in> > > > > 1968 to study medicine.. spent 2 years in punjab, 2 years in> > > > > rajasthan, and 2 years in Bombay,, although he passed his > exams> > > but> > > > > didnt get admission into university.. Got into wrong > company,, had> > > > > lots of problems, took to drinking alcohol regularly, > sqandered> > > money> > > > > and had health issues..> > > > >> > > > > Came back to Malaysia in 1974.. Got a job in civil service > and got> > > > > married in 1981. Drinking problem continued..lost jobs in> > > sucession> > > > > due to his addiction.. No children, divorced in 1992..> > > > >> > > > > In 1984, came to UK, studied Law and graduated with LLB in > 1989.> > > > > Started his baristership training but did not complete it.> > > Returned> > > > > home in 1991.> > > > >> > > > > Remarried in 1996 in India to a young widow with 2 young > sons..> > > > > Had a son of his own in Nov 1998 but child died during> > > childbirth..> > > > >> > > > > After death of child, constant fights between husband and > wife and> > > > > finally in 2005 got separation from his wife. Moved to UK in > 2007,> > > > > got permanent right to reside in UK.. Currently living with> > > parents,> > > > > looking after them.> > > > >> > > > > No self made assests, lived off father,s wealth most of his > life..> > > > > Tried various businesses and jobs,ended in losses and whenever> > > > > things got tough, he took to the bottle.. Although he can and > did> > > > > work hard for periods, but efforts were not > consistent..Generally> > > not> > > > > been very lucky..> > > > >> > > > > He is a wonderful individual to know, not reliable due to > drinking> > > > > habits.. He no longer has his drinking addiction, is very> > > > > spiritual/religious now, does a lot of community work and > looks> > > after> > > > > his parents well.> > > > >> > > > > Warmest regards> > > > > Sheevani> > > > >> > > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > > >> > > > > > dear shivani ji ,> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > can u post the data of ur brother and post what ever known> > > > > details> > > > > > to the grp .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Let us see how they differ each other .Off cource kaal desh> > > patra> > > > > > principle apply here and one chart is a male and other is a> > > feamale> > > > > and> > > > > > place of birth is off cource differrent .We r curious to > know> > > how> > > > > and> > > > > > what realy happened .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > I got once a similar chart ( differnt data ) ,one is a film> > > > > producer> > > > > > and business man from south and other is a unmarried very> > > beutiful> > > > > delhi> > > > > > girl who is working as a manager in a showroom ,and wanted > to> > > know> > > > > when> > > > > > she will get married and the male chart i was consulted by > some> > > > > relativ> > > > > > to know abt the success of a 2nd marriage ,after an un> > > successful> > > > > lov> > > > > > marriage and divorce .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > actualy i dont hav data with me ,off cource its some where > in> > > > > daily> > > > > > entry books .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > so pls post the data with ur observation and analysis and> > > > > comparisons> > > > > > if possible .> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > >> > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > , "sheevani147"> > > > > > <sheevani147@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > My older brother has identical chart to your mother.. He > was> > > born> > > > > on> > > > > > > 2 Oct 1951.. time 01:55 hrs. When I made chart of your> > > mother,, I> > > > > > > thought I was seeing double..> > > > > > >> > > > > > > warmest regards> > > > > > > Sheevani> > > > > > >> > > > > > > ,> > > Vijayanarasimha H> > > > > > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadhji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thanks for the reply. What you said seems very logical, > but> > > even> > > > > > > after change in Ayanamsha as you suggested and change in > year> > > > > length,> > > > > > > I get the same. She had uterus operation in Sep 30, 2001 > and> > > on> > > > > Oct> > > > > > > 8th, she had brain haemorrage in the hospital itself, and> > > after> > > > > that> > > > > > > it was hell for all of us for nearly 3 months. Life > seemed to> > > end> > > > > for> > > > > > > all of us, and due to Lord Krishna and Lord Narsimha's > grace> > > she> > > > > was> > > > > > > brought back to normal life and we all are a happy family> > > now. My> > > > > > > life changed after that. She was running Jup-Rahu-Venus > dasha> > > > > during> > > > > > > that time. She was expecting something to happen to her > lower> > > > > portion> > > > > > > of the body during operation (rahu representing legs). We > were> > > > > > > expecting something bad because during Rahu mahadasha, > from> > > 1968> > > > > to> > > > > > > 1986 (especially 1976-1986), life was hell for my parents> > > (zero> > > > > > > income, living in a small house, father working day and > night> > > and> > > > > > > cheated by work partners, mother terribly illtreated from > in-> > > laws,> > > > > > > had abortion, etc). 1986 we shifted to a> > > > > > > > good house and suddenly all our problems almost > vanished,> > > father> > > > > > > had a very good income, built 2 houses, established > industry,> > > etc> > > > > > > (she was running jupiter dasha from then). Till 2001 she > had a> > > > > very> > > > > > > good house life. Now, since saturn is in 3rd house, she is> > > > > enjoying> > > > > > > life again.> > > > > > > > DOB: 1-Oct-1951, 02.36 am, Koppal, 76E09, 15N21.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The point here I feel is that, even if malefic planets > are> > > bad> > > > > > > (like rahu), a good placed jupiter somehow brings good> > > results to> > > > > the> > > > > > > native in the end. Jupiter is indeed life-saving if placed> > > well> > > > > and> > > > > > > has power.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > Vijay.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > > > > > > I will clarify it further -> > > > > > > > - Jupiter owns 6th house (disease) from Cancer Lagna> > > > > > > > - Mars owns the head of the Kalapurusha, i.e. Aries> > > > > > > > - Mars is debilitated in Lagna (cancer) which indicates> > > > > > > head of the native> > > > > > > > Where ever Mars be possibly this is a combination that > may> > > give> > > > > > > disease or trouble. If there is malefic in Cancer > (especially> > > > > Ketu)> > > > > > > it could even give a minor heart attack in that period.> > > Therefore> > > > > > > considering the pointer Jupiter provides towards disease > and> > > the> > > > > > > repeated pointers Mars provides towards head - it is clear> > > that> > > > > the> > > > > > > said period should be Ju/Ma.> > > > > > > > And that is why the guess, you must be getting it wrong,> > > due to> > > > > > > the use of wrong Ayanamsa and year length. It is such > examples> > > > > that> > > > > > > helps us to verify the validity of the Ayanamsa and year> > > length we> > > > > > > use in a practical perspective.> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > Re: Jupiter (Thread owners - Pt. Arjun ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji,> > > > > > > > ==>> > > > > > > > > My mother has jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu > in> > > 8th,> > > > > she> > > > > > > had brain-haemorrhage in> > > > > > > > > jup dasha-rahu bhukthi> > > > > > > > <==> > > > > > > > This statement must be wrong - with the ownership of > Aries> > > (the> > > > > > > head of Kalapurusha), it should be Jupiter dasa-Mars > antara;> > > > > please> > > > > > > use CHari Ayanamsa (46 min more than Lahari) and 360 day> > > Savana> > > > > year> > > > > > > and let me know whether this assumption is correct or not.> > > Also> > > > > > > please inform where Mars is placed in the chart.> > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > ,> > > > > Vijayanarasimha> > > > > > > H Pakka> > > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Jupiter (Thread> > > owners -> > > > > Pt.> > > > > > > Arjun> > > > > > > > > ji, Sreenivas ji)> > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji / Shreenadhji, Its very interesting (or> > > obvious)> > > > > how> > > > > > > > > malefic planets affect jupiter. We can also view the> > > chart as> > > > > > > benefic> > > > > > > > > jupiter reducing the malefic effect of rahu and we get> > > mixed> > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > Anyway the more complications with jupiter, the more> > > > > discussions> > > > > > > we can> > > > > > > > > have. Maybe malefic-uninfluenced and powerful jupiter > is> > > the> > > > > one> > > > > > > which> > > > > > > > > truly makes the native famous, righteous, king-like, > etc.> > > I> > > > > would> > > > > > > rather> > > > > > > > > say from experience that, if for example the native > has> > > some> > > > > bad> > > > > > > > > placements of other planets but has a good placement > and> > > > > strength> > > > > > > of> > > > > > > > > jupiter, he suffers sometimes but finally he emerges> > > > > victorious.> > > > > > > This> > > > > > > > > should be the approach a practical astrologer should > take> > > > > while> > > > > > > > > predicting results, rather than jumping guns to > proclaim> > > that> > > > > a> > > > > > > good> > > > > > > > > jupiter (or in lagna) will make the native king-like. > My> > > > > mother> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > jupiter in 9th house in pisces and rahu in 8th, she > had> > > > > > > > > brain-haemorrhage in jup dasha-rahu bhukthi (also > jupiter> > > was> > > > > in> > > > > > > ghataka> > > > > > > > > sthana in 10th house from moon in transit), but she> > > recovered> > > > > > > > > fantastically and is perfectly fine (taking some > regular> > > > > tablets)> > > > > > > now.> > > > > > > > > So, dangers are there due to some planets but if some> > > other> > > > > > > planets,> > > > > > > > > especially jupiter is good in one's chart, then the > final> > > > > victory> > > > > > > is to> > > > > > > > > the native. Regarding winding up the jupiter in lagna> > > thread,> > > > > it> > > > > > > > > seems a big job if we start considering the effects of> > > > > jupiter in> > > > > > > each> > > > > > > > > lagna and also influence of each planet on jupiter in> > > lagna.> > > > > Then> > > > > > > we get> > > > > > > > > innumerable combinations to deal with , example: 1.> > > Jupiter in> > > > > > > Aries> > > > > > > > > lagna, uninfluenced> > > > > > > > > 2. Jupiter in Aries lagna, influenced by saturn, 3.> > > Jupiter in> > > > > > > Aries> > > > > > > > > lagna influenced by sun, etc. Also we should keep in > mind> > > the> > > > > > > strength> > > > > > > > > and placement of lagna lord. With so many > combinations, I> > > can> > > > > say> > > > > > > it> > > > > > > > > will take more than 1 year to discuss all these cases> > > Anyway,> > > > > as a> > > > > > > > > practical approach, its more than enough if we wind up> > > with> > > > > > > jupiter's> > > > > > > > > effects in various lagnas; and just mention as an> > > important> > > > > > > footnote to> > > > > > > > > be careful to look out for influences of other > planets and> > > > > > > placement of> > > > > > > > > lagna lord Finally, if Shreenadhji / Suniji / > Neelamji /> > > or> > > > > any> > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > member throw some light (along with any verses) on> > > jupiter's> > > > > > > effects in> > > > > > > > > various lagnas on one's artistic skills and when> > > influenced by> > > > > > > other> > > > > > > > > planets, I would be grateful. From experience I find > it> > > > > difficult> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > estimate the artistic value of jupiter , maybe > because my> > > > > lagna> > > > > > > has> > > > > > > > > venus, who is enemy of Jupiter Regards, Vijay.>> > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna ,> > > > > > > > > > dear maligere ji ,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Jup is not alone in lagna but with a dire malefic > rahu> > > ( in> > > > > > > north its> > > > > > > > > knows as guru chandal yoga ) .So rsults attributed to> > > single> > > > > jup> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > lagna how is it possible .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > also sani and mars forming agni maruta yoga ( so the> > > houses> > > > > > > involved> > > > > > > > > can suffer ) also this yoga has no benefic aspects . > ( u> > > hav> > > > > to> > > > > > > giv us> > > > > > > > > feed back ) .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > also born in jup -merc period .then this sat dasa ( > Athi> > > > > > > balavasta or> > > > > > > > > atma karaka planet ) ( tho yoga karaka ) also in marak> > > house> > > > > then> > > > > > > merc (> > > > > > > > > 64th navamsa and 22nd drekkana Lord) and then ketu in > 7th> > > > > dasa (> > > > > > > another> > > > > > > > > maraka place ) ,> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > But i think he must hav born in good family ??> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > giv us ur feed back with full detailed analsysis .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > any way jup in lagna is not applicable as other> > > influnces r> > > > > > > there .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > om shreem maha laxmai namah .> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > , "M.A"> > > > > maligere@> > > > > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sunilji,pundit ji> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This is the details of a person who has jupiter in> > > lagna,> > > > > i> > > > > > > have not> > > > > > > > > seen any of the benefits that is been discussed here > in> > > this> > > > > > > thread for> > > > > > > > > this person. I can say he has seen nothing but> > > difficulties in> > > > > > > life, his> > > > > > > > > health is also nothing to boast about.> > > > > > > > > > > " saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native > an> > > > > > > attractive> > > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life, courageous > and> > > > > > > espectable> > > > > > > > > name"> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > This statement is totally opposite of what i have> > > seen in> > > > > this> > > > > > > > > persons life> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Name : Sreenivas> > > > > > > > > > > Natal Chart> > > > > > > > > > > September 9, 1958> > > > > > > > > > > Time: 10:10:00 am> > > > > > > > > > > Time Zone: 5:30:00 (East of GMT)> > > > > > > > > > > Place: 76 E 05' 00", 13 N 00' 00"> > > > > > > > > > > Hassan, India> > > > > > > > > > > Altitude: 0.00 meters> > > > > > > > > > > Lunar Yr-Mo: Vilamba - Nija Sravana> > > > > > > > > > > Tithi: Krishna Ekadasi (Ma) (77.75% left)> > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Weekday: Tuesday (Ma)> > > > > > > > > > > Nakshatra: Punarvasu (Ju) (59.56% left)> > > > > > > > > > > Yoga: Variyan (Ju) (89.14% left)> > > > > > > > > > > Karana: Bava (Su) (55.51% left)> > > > > > > > > > > Hora Lord: Mercury (5 min sign: Cn)> > > > > > > > > > > Mahakala Hora: Mercury (5 min sign: Ta)> > > > > > > > > > > Kaala Lord: Mercury (Mahakala: Mercury)> > > > > > > > > > > Sunrise: 6:18:07 am> > > > > > > > > > > Sunset: 6:28:06 pm> > > > > > > > > > > Janma Ghatis: 9.6618> > > > > > > > > > > Ayanamsa: 23-16-55.29> > > > > > > > > > > Sidereal Time: 8:55:15> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Thanx n' rgds> > > > > > > > > > > Maligere> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna ,> > > > > > > > > > > dear pundit ji ,> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > yes ,it says guru lagna can counter 1 crore > doshas -> > > > > laksham> > > > > > > dosham> > > > > > > > > guru hanti .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > what if its in actual experiences .for exmaple i> > > wanted to> > > > > > > know more> > > > > > > > > abt taurus lagna with guru as guru is 8th Lord and his> > > mool> > > > > > > trikon sign> > > > > > > > > also 8th house .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > any memebrs has any charts ?? I think latha> > > mangeshwar ji> > > > > is> > > > > > > taurus> > > > > > > > > lagna .> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > dear vijayji> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > your mail with example charts and the lives of > the> > > > > natives> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna from your database is > informative> > > and> > > > > > > > > appreciated.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > lord rama has jupiter in lagna. some notable > people> > > with> > > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna are as follows:> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 1. bharatratna lata mangeshkar> > > > > > > > > > > > 2. erstwhile mysore maharaja krishnaraja > wadiyar IV> > > > > > > > > > > > 3. tata group founder JRD tata> > > > > > > > > > > > 4. former chief minister and actor N T Ramarao> > > > > > > > > > > > 5. Sri Aurobindo> > > > > > > > > > > > 6. kanchi sankaracharya sri vijayendra saraswati> > > > > > > > > > > > 7. former prime minister rajiv gandhi> > > > > > > > > > > > 8. emperor akbar> > > > > > > > > > > > 9. emperor aurangazeb> > > > > > > > > > > > 10. tennis star sania mirza> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the above varied list contains emperors, rajas,> > > prime> > > > > > > minsiters,> > > > > > > > > > > > business tycoons, actors, singers, > sportspersons and> > > > > even> > > > > > > saints.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > saravali says jupiter in lagna gives the native > an> > > > > > > attractive> > > > > > > > > > > > personality, energetic health, long life,> > > courageous and> > > > > > > > > respectable> > > > > > > > > > > > name.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna is perceived as positive by > most if> > > > > not all> > > > > > > > > > > > astrologers. even those few who say guru spoils> > > lagna by> > > > > > > sitting> > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > lagna say that his benefic aspect on 5, 7 and 9> > > houses> > > > > (one> > > > > > > > > quadrant> > > > > > > > > > > > and two trines) is auspicious for the native.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > as mentioned by tatvamasiji in one of his mails> > > earlier,> > > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > unanimously considered giving positive benfits > on> > > all> > > > > the> > > > > > > three> > > > > > > > > > > > houses he aspect.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > the title "jeeva" or enlivener is granted by > lord> > > shiva> > > > > to> > > > > > > jupiter> > > > > > > > > > > > and naturally jupiter is a natural benefic.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > an axiom says guru in kendra negates one lakh> > > doshams.> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > > > > > > > > > pandit arjun> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > , "Vijay"> > > > > > > > > > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Its been long time since I visited the group, > but> > > its> > > > > > > really> > > > > > > > > great> > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > get hundreds of messages in my Inbox. I went > thru> > > > > most of> > > > > > > them> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > currently started to seriously go thru the > files> > > > > section> > > > > > > of this> > > > > > > > > > > > > group, which is really very useful. Regarding> > > Jupiter> > > > > in> > > > > > > Lagna I> > > > > > > > > > > > > searched thru some of my database and found > some> > > > > > > interesting> > > > > > > > > cases.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Here, I shall give the details of their birth > and> > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > > > > characteristics rather than important events > in> > > their> > > > > > > life,> > > > > > > > > because> > > > > > > > > > > > > as we all know jupiter in lagna ALONE has > little> > > to do> > > > > > > with the> > > > > > > > > > > > > events in their lives. For the events in their> > > lives> > > > > we> > > > > > > have to> > > > > > > > > > > > > consider all other effects, which is out of > the> > > scope> > > > > of> > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > present> > > > > > > > > > > > > discussion. The persons have clarified with me> > > about> > > > > their> > > > > > > > > > > > characters.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. IAS Officer (came with problems in health > and> > > > > political> > > > > > > > > problems> > > > > > > > > > > > > in job):> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > June-23-1956, 11.05 am, Gudibanda, India, > 77.41.E,> > > > > > > 13.40.N.> > > > > > > > > > > > > Character: I predicted he is very upright > officer> > > and> > > > > very> > > > > > > > > dynamic> > > > > > > > > > > > > because Jupiter in Leo Lagna makes one not > just> > > honest> > > > > > > (which is> > > > > > > > > > > > why> > > > > > > > > > > > > he was transferred every 2 years by political> > > persons> > > > > and> > > > > > > even> > > > > > > > > got> > > > > > > > > > > > > death threats), but also very dynamic and > knows> > > how to> > > > > > > control> > > > > > > > > > > > > people. He was very sweet in speech and very> > > decent> > > > > but> > > > > > > at the> > > > > > > > > same> > > > > > > > > > > > > time he seemed dominating (because Mars in 7th> > > > > house). He> > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > > is> > > > > > > > > > > > > feared in his circle because he is very honest> > > and he> > > > > is> > > > > > > also> > > > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > > > > > scared of goondas and death threats. He was a> > > primary> > > > > > > school> > > > > > > > > > > > teacher> > > > > > > > > > > > > in a village before he became an IAS Officer. > He> > > > > seems to> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > sincerely dedicated to work and as he was> > > workoholic> > > > > he> > > > > > > had> > > > > > > > > health> > > > > > > > > > > > > problems. He was a very good poet and has> > > published a> > > > > > > poetry> > > > > > > > > book> > > > > > > > > > > > > (this was my mother's prediction and he was> > > > > astonished,> > > > > > > even I> > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > > > astonished). Also the way he speaks is really> > > > > > > astonishing, very> > > > > > > > > > > > clear> > > > > > > > > > > > > and dignified in speech and when he talks you> > > feel he> > > > > is> > > > > > > really> > > > > > > > > > > > > intelligent and a very dignified person.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. April-16-1986, 03.42, Hubli, India, > student.> > > > > > > > > > > > > (parents came with problem of whether he will> > > join a> > > > > > > > > professional> > > > > > > > > > > > > course or not, which my mother predicted he > will,> > > > > seeing> > > > > > > not> > > > > > > > > only> > > > > > > > > > > > > jupiter in lagna but also his good > sidhamsha). But> > > > > > > character> > > > > > > > > wise,> > > > > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > > > seems to be very soft and lively person, and > since> > > > > there> > > > > > > isnt> > > > > > > > > any> > > > > > > > > > > > > direct influence on Jupiter, we can safely > say he> > > is> > > > > very> > > > > > > > > > > > righteous,> > > > > > > > > > > > > and disciplined and respects elders. The > parents> > > said> > > > > > > indeed he> > > > > > > > > was> > > > > > > > > > > > a> > > > > > > > > > > > > very soft-spoken and honest kid and very much> > > > > respects all> > > > > > > > > > > > > traditions. Since he was also running Jupiter> > > dasha,> > > > > he> > > > > > > didnt> > > > > > > > > have> > > > > > > > > > > > > any sort of problems in his education. Also he> > > plays> > > > > > > tabla at> > > > > > > > > > > > various> > > > > > > > > > > > > competitions.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. April-16-1953, 09.10, Bangalore, MLC > (Member of> > > > > > > Legislative> > > > > > > > > > > > > Council),> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > He came to ask whether he will win election > (MP),> > > but> > > > > my> > > > > > > mother> > > > > > > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > > > > > he will not but he will still be in politics, > and> > > he> > > > > went> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > politics> > > > > > > > > > > > > thru backdoor (became MLC). He is widely > known by> > > > > public> > > > > > > to be> > > > > > > > > > > > > corrupt and goonda. But my mother said > completely> > > > > > > opposite, that> > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > > > is very soft, honest, righteous, does charity> > > works,> > > > > and> > > > > > > sincere> > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > his wife. He was shell-shocked and almost went> > > into> > > > > > > tears. He> > > > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > > > was pained at people calling him names, as he > was> > > very> > > > > > > sincere.> > > > > > > > > He> > > > > > > > > > > > > said he had earned money thru hard work in > real> > > estate> > > > > > > business> > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > then was stepping into politics now, but > people> > > > > thought> > > > > > > he made> > > > > > > > > all> > > > > > > > > > > > > that money in politics since he was also> > > uneducated.> > > > > He> > > > > > > is not> > > > > > > > > > > > > involved in even one scandal. He respects> > > everyone and> > > > > > > also does> > > > > > > > > > > > > charity work. But, he is not educated well. > But> > > since> > > > > > > Moon is in> > > > > > > > > > > > > lagna with Jupiter, he is sweet and soft in> > > speech and> > > > > > > has good> > > > > > > > > > > > mind.> > > > > > > > > > > > > But he is also very brave and courageous, > because> > > > > Mars in> > > > > > > own> > > > > > > > > house> > > > > > > > > > > > > and Sun exalted. He is known to have dealt > with> > > his> > > > > > > enemies in> > > > > > > > > real-> > > > > > > > > > > > > estate business with an iron hand. But its> > > > > interesting to> > > > > > > see> > > > > > > > > that> > > > > > > > > > > > he> > > > > > > > > > > > > is not well educated.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > My Personal Conclusions about Jupiter in > Lagna:> > > > > > > > > > > > > a. Jupiter in Lagna definitely makes one have> > > sweet> > > > > and> > > > > > > > > dignified> > > > > > > > > > > > > speech. He talks very sensibly and like a > learned> > > > > person.> > > > > > > > > > > > > b. Respects traditions and elders.> > > > > > > > > > > > > c. Very knowledgeable (not sure about > education> > > > > though).> > > > > > > > > > > > > d. Gives some kind of artistic nature (music,> > > speech,> > > > > > > poetry,> > > > > > > > > etc),> > > > > > > > > > > > > though not like venus.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > Vijay.> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In> > > > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > > > > > > > > > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let us start discussing the effects of > Jupiter> > > in> > > > > > > Lagna. The> > > > > > > > > > > > > > lawyers/thread-owners for this thread are > Pt.> > > Arjun> > > > > ji> > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > Srinivas> > > > > > > > > > > > > ji.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have the full right to argue in favor > of> > > > > Jupiter> > > > > > > and its> > > > > > > > > > > > power> > > > > > > > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > > > > > > produce identifiable results when placed in> > > Lagna.> > > > > Try> > > > > > > to> > > > > > > > > argue> > > > > > > > > > > > > against> > > > > > > > > > > > > > him or in support of them - validate the > results> > > > > with> > > > > > > your own> > > > > > > > > or> > > > > > > > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the charts known to you. I will start the> > > discussion> > > > > > > with> > > > > > > > > minimum> > > > > > > > > > > > > inputs> > > > > > > > > > > > > > (fro Bhrigu sutra)-> > > > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is present in lagna the native> > > would be> > > > > > > versatile> > > > > > > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sound or linguistic related knowledge > branches> > > such> > > > > as -> > > > > > > > > > > > Vyakarana,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tarka, oratory or the like. If Jupiter is in> > > Cancer> > > > > the> > > > > > > said> > > > > > > > > > > > results> > > > > > > > > > > > > > will happen for sure.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter is in Lagna - the native will > have> > > good> > > > > > > longevity> > > > > > > > > > > > > and> > > > > > > > > > > > > > great luck at or after the age of 16 years.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > * If Jupiter in Lagna is aspected by malefic> > > > > planets or> > > > > > > in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > debilitation or with malefics in enemy > house -> > > he> > > > > would> > > > > > > be> > > > > > > > > > > > > interested in> > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing bad deeds. His mind wavering, > longevity -> > > > > middle> > > > > > > age,> > > > > > > > > too> > > > > > > > > > > > much> > > > > > > > > > > > > > travel, egotic, no children, he will > discard his> > > > > > > relatives or> > > > > > > > > the> > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatives may discard him, he will say bad > words> > > > > > > against good> > > > > > > > > > > > > people,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > sadness and sufferings will prevail.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, here goes our group - Jupiter > Centric.. > > > > > Hurah,> > > > > > > to the> > > > > > > > > > > > > thread of> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Pt. Arjun ji and Srinivas ji. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them > fast> > > > > with> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Search.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with> > > > > > > > > > Mobile. Try> > > > > > > > > it now.> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > > > > > > Mobile.> > > > > > > Try it now.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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