sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .

January 18, 2008

Time and again it has been proved that the results mentioned in the slokas in the classics do not always match the actual results experienced in real life happening. Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote: Dear Chandrashekarji,I am collating some shlokas from classics that tell about Saturn in 7th house. Of course, there will be exceptions and we can learn from you and other learned members like Sreenadhji, Sunilji, Sreeramji etc.This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:"If Saturn is posited in

the 7th, the native will always be subjected to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, will present himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts"RegardsKiranChandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Hasmukhrai,You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even when it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the house occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the strong Saturn.Chandrashekhar.Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote: I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its aspects are. Hasmukhrai J

Mehta.renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Sunil ji,The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs here. April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri LankaMarriage: 1981 Feb.Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. God fearing. Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 November].Married life: A happy, loving coupleHope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.blessingsRenu , "sunil nair"

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January 18, 2008

dear mahesh,

since there is a mutual aspect of jup and venus there

aren't chances of ur going in for extra marital

relationship after marriage. In addition BAV points of

jup is 3 and that of venus is 4 had venus acquired

more BAV points then there is a possibility of ur

going for extra marital relationship.

good luck,

k.gopu

name:Maheish Ayyer

date of birth:22/08/ 1972

time of birth:12:40 pm (afternoon)

place: alleppey,kerala

wife's name:Preeti Ayyer

date of birth:25/11/ 1978

time of birth:18:33 (evening)

place:malad, mumbai.

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January 18, 2008

Hello members,

I have come across few discussions by experts where it is

suggested that Jupiter may harm the karakatwa of the house

where it resides.

One of the explanation provided was - Jupiter is a territorial

and expansive planet. And also the tendency is more when

it occupies Kendra position.

I wish that learned members take up this issue for detailed

discussion.

Regarding saturn in 7H, so far I followed Sri Rath's teaching.

He suggests that 7H in Rashi chart indicates how the person

looks at the relationship. The 7H in navamsha indicates how

his relationship works. He puts more emphasis on UL.

Anyway, as I understand, the SJC teachings may not be in line

with Ancient astrology.

Regards

Chakraborty

Chandrashekhar [sharma.chandrashekhar]Friday, January 18, 2008 11:20 PM Subject: Re: Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .

Dear Hasmukhrai,You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even when it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the house occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the strong Saturn.Chandrashekhar.Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote:

I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its aspects are.

Hasmukhrai J Mehta.renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sunil ji,The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs here. April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri LankaMarriage: 1981 Feb.Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. God fearing. Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 November].Married life: A happy, loving coupleHope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.blessingsRenu , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare ramakrishna> > dear grp ,> > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and pls> tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and his/her> looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa padas can> giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .>Hasmukhrai J MehtaAstrological services par excellencehttp://www.astroclinica.com

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Dear Chakrabortyji,AL, UL etc really complicate things.These add more complexity in a world where people who refer to them cannot even analyze natal chart correctly.We should first get hte basics rightregardskiran"Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote: Hello members, I have come across few discussions by experts where it is suggested that Jupiter may harm the karakatwa of the house where it resides. One of the explanation provided was - Jupiter is a territorial and expansive planet. And also the tendency is more when it occupies Kendra position.

I wish that learned members take up this issue for detailed discussion. Regarding saturn in 7H, so far I followed Sri Rath's teaching. He suggests that 7H in Rashi chart indicates how the person looks at the relationship. The 7H in navamsha indicates how his relationship works. He puts more emphasis on UL. Anyway, as I understand, the SJC teachings may not be in line with Ancient astrology. Regards Chakraborty Chandrashekhar [sharma.chandrashekhar ]Friday, January 18, 2008 11:20 PM Subject: Re: Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage . Dear Hasmukhrai,You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even when it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the house occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the strong Saturn.Chandrashekhar.Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote: I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its aspects are. Hasmukhrai J Mehta.renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Sunil ji,The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs here. April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri LankaMarriage: 1981 Feb.Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. God fearing. Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 November].Married life: A happy, loving coupleHope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.blessingsRenu , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare ramakrishna> > dear grp ,> > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of

married couples and pls> tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and his/her> looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa padas can> giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .>Hasmukhrai J MehtaAstrological services par excellencehttp://www.astroclinica.com Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.

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January 18, 2008

Dear Kiran ji,

Know that Renu ji is speaking from her direct

knowledge of numerous known charts in her collection, and also that

most of the transilations are not upto the mark and is out of context.

Of course we would be looking into such issues later, but as

you know we have only finidshed wth ' Sun in various houses' and there

is a long way to go till we reach 'Saturn in various houses'

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Kiran ji,> > qoute:> "This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:> If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be subjected > to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, will present > himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts"- unquote> > It is good tht you brought out this. Those whom I know with Saturn > posited in 7H, and as a matter of fact...Saturn is exalted in most > of the cases I know..are good looking as far as the appearance is > considered. Not sinful and do not indulge in very mean acts. They > lead exemplary lives.> > But on the other hand where Saturn is placed in his own house, the > natives though good looking engage in mean and sinful acts.> > I do not know of any cases where Saturn is debilitated in 7H or in > enemey 7H.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > > , Kiran R > kiran.rama@ wrote:> >> > Dear Chandrashekarji,> > > > I am collating some shlokas from classics that tell about Saturn > in 7th house. Of course, there will be exceptions and we can learn > from you and other learned members like Sreenadhji, Sunilji, > Sreeramji etc.> > > > This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:> > "If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be > subjected to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, > will present himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts"> > > > Regards> > Kiran> > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@ > wrote: Dear Hasmukhrai,> > > > You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even when > it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the house > occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the > strong Saturn.> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote: > > I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its > aspects are.> > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.> > > > renunw renunw@ wrote:> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] > > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be > > considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs > here. > > > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > Marriage: 1981 Feb.> > > > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. > God > > fearing. > > > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 > November].> > > > Married life: A happy, loving couple> > > > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.> > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > > , "sunil nair" > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > dear grp ,> > > > > > > > > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and > > pls> > > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and > his/her> > > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa > > padas can> > > giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > > > > > > > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> > Astrological services par excellence> > http://www.astroclinica.com > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. > > >>

January 18, 2008

Dear Mehta ji,

I would put it like this - Time and again it has been proved that

how absurdly and out of context manner that we are translating the

slokas. It just proves that we are not yet upto the mark - why course the good texts?

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, Hasmukhrai Mehta <astroclinik wrote:>>

Time and again it has been proved that the results mentioned in the

slokas in the classics do not always match the actual results

experienced in real life happening. > > Kiran R kiran.rama wrote: Dear Chandrashekarji,> >

I am collating some shlokas from classics that tell about Saturn in 7th

house. Of course, there will be exceptions and we can learn from you

and other learned members like Sreenadhji, Sunilji, Sreeramji etc.> > This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:>

"If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be subjected

to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, will present

himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts"> > Regards> Kiran> > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Hasmukhrai,> >

You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even when it may

not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the house occupied.

Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the strong Saturn.> > Chandrashekhar.> > Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote: > I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its aspects are.> Hasmukhrai J Mehta.> > renunw renunw wrote:> Dear Sunil ji,> > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be > considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs here. > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka> > Marriage: 1981 Feb.> > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. God > fearing. > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 November].> > Married life: A happy, loving couple> > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.> > blessings> > Renu> > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > dear grp ,> > > > > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and > pls> > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and his/her> > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa > padas can> > giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > > > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >> > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> Astrological services par excellence> http://www.astroclinica.com > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> Astrological services par excellence> http://www.astroclinica.com> > > 5, 50, 500, 5000 - Store N number of mails in your inbox. >

January 19, 2008

Dear All,I also agree with Renuji and am also speaking from experience of seeing several charts of 84 births.Ofcourse the results do get modified in each individual based on the merits of the chart.In 84, we have an exalted saturn and own house/mooltrikon jupiter.

-- saturn is in libra--exalted with directional strength being 10,11 lord of Zodiac takes care of the karma and dividends. (an exalted lord gives name, fame & prosperity in its area of operation)-- strong jupiter in 9H of zodiac protects the dharma trine giving strength to lagna/education/children and the person reaps the harvest of his purva punya.

--- This saturn aspects jupiter in dhanu thus transferring his power to bhagya lord. (any planet is able to deliver his results through aspect only when another planet is posited in the sign aspected, meaning if this exalted saturn would aspect empty sagitarius rashi, there would be no rajyoga). The 10th lords aspect on 9L does give these individuals an edge over other natives when say next year Jup gets debilitated in capricorn. These are very generalised results but i have seen them manifest in the charts and almost all the natives in this group (an i know not less than 25) are doing wellin life having entered good professional lines through competitions and are earning well already.

-- the point about marriage (whether late or not) is a bit early to discuss. may be after 3-4 years a better picture will be seen.-- saturn makes them hardworking, balanced individuals and being in strength gives them ample rewards for their hardwork. -- Many of them have moved out of country or went out of birth place to study, etc. (7H saturn takes you away from birth place).We could thus go on with the merits of this position. Similarly there are demerits also, which we could discuss.

regardsneelamOn 19/01/2008, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Dear Kiran ji,

Know that Renu ji is speaking from her direct

knowledge of numerous known charts in her collection, and also that

most of the transilations are not upto the mark and is out of context.

Of course we would be looking into such issues later, but as

you know we have only finidshed wth ' Sun in various houses' and there

is a long way to go till we reach 'Saturn in various houses'

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, " renunw " <renunw wrote:

>> Dear Kiran ji,> > qoute:> " This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:> If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be subjected > to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, will present > himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts " - unquote> > It is good tht you brought out this. Those whom I know with Saturn > posited in 7H, and as a matter of fact...Saturn is exalted in most > of the cases I know..are good looking as far as the appearance is > considered. Not sinful and do not indulge in very mean acts. They > lead exemplary lives.> > But on the other hand where Saturn is placed in his own house, the > natives though good looking engage in mean and sinful acts.> > I do not know of any cases where Saturn is debilitated in 7H or in > enemey 7H.> > blessings> > Renu

> > > > > >

, Kiran R > kiran.rama@ wrote:> >> > Dear Chandrashekarji,> > > > I am collating some shlokas from classics that tell about Saturn > in 7th house. Of course, there will be exceptions and we can learn > from you and other learned members like Sreenadhji, Sunilji, > Sreeramji etc.> > > > This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:> > " If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be > subjected to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, > will present himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts " > > > > Regards> > Kiran> > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@ > wrote: Dear Hasmukhrai,> > > > You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even when > it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the house > occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the > strong Saturn.> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote: > > I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its > aspects are.> > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.> > > > renunw renunw@ wrote:> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] > > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be > > considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs > here. > > > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > Marriage: 1981 Feb.> > > > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. > God > > fearing.

> > > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 > November].> > > > Married life: A happy, loving couple> > > > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.

> > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > >

, " sunil nair " > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna

> > > > > > dear grp ,> > > > > > > > > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and > > pls> > > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and > his/her> > > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa > > padas can> > > giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > > > > > > > > > But let us together probe into it> > >

> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > >> >

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January 19, 2008

Dear Neelam ji,

==>

> any planet is able to deliver his results through aspect only when another

planet is posited in

> the sign aspected, meaning if this exalted Saturn would aspect empty

Sagittarius rashi, there

> would be no rajyoga

<==

This is NOT an ancient indian astrology (i mean Arsha, Garga,

Yavana schols) dictum; but instead seems to have come from Jaimini or tajika

school. Mixing systems can cause trouble in correct result derivation -

beware! As per these traditional school, aspect has nothing to do with

the fact whether the sign is empty or not.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear All,> I also agree with Renuji and am also speaking from experience of seeing> several charts of 84 births.> Ofcourse the results do get modified in each individual based on the merits> of the chart.> In 84, we have an exalted saturn and own house/mooltrikon jupiter.> -- saturn is in libra--exalted with directional strength being 10,11 lord of> Zodiac takes care of the karma and dividends. (an exalted lord gives name,> fame & prosperity in its area of operation)> -- strong jupiter in 9H of zodiac protects the dharma trine giving strength> to lagna/education/children and the person reaps the harvest of his purva> punya.> --- This saturn aspects jupiter in dhanu thus transferring his power to> bhagya lord. (any planet is able to deliver his results through aspect only> when another planet is posited in the sign aspected, meaning if this exalted> saturn would aspect empty sagitarius rashi, there would be no rajyoga). The> 10th lords aspect on 9L does give these individuals an edge over other> natives when say next year Jup gets debilitated in capricorn.> These are very generalised results but i have seen them manifest in the> charts and almost all the natives in this group (an i know not less than 25)> are doing well> in life having entered good professional lines through competitions and are> earning well already.> -- the point about marriage (whether late or not) is a bit early to discuss.> may be after 3-4 years a better picture will be seen.> -- saturn makes them hardworking, balanced individuals and being in strength> gives them ample rewards for their hardwork.> -- Many of them have moved out of country or went out of birth place to> study, etc. (7H saturn takes you away from birth place).> We could thus go on with the merits of this position. Similarly there are> demerits also, which we could discuss.> regards> neelam> > > > On 19/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> >> > Dear Kiran ji,> > Know that Renu ji is speaking from her direct knowledge of numerous> > known charts in her collection, and also that most of the transilations are> > not upto the mark and is out of context. Of course we would be looking> > into such issues later, but as you know we have only finidshed wth ' Sun in> > various houses' and there is a long way to go till we reach 'Saturn in> > various houses' > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> >> > , "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kiran ji,> > >> > > qoute:> > > "This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:> > > If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be subjected> > > to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, will present> > > himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts"- unquote> > >> > > It is good tht you brought out this. Those whom I know with Saturn> > > posited in 7H, and as a matter of fact...Saturn is exalted in most> > > of the cases I know..are good looking as far as the appearance is> > > considered. Not sinful and do not indulge in very mean acts. They> > > lead exemplary lives.> > >> > > But on the other hand where Saturn is placed in his own house, the> > > natives though good looking engage in mean and sinful acts.> > >> > > I do not know of any cases where Saturn is debilitated in 7H or in> > > enemey 7H.> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , Kiran R> > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekarji,> > > >> > > > I am collating some shlokas from classics that tell about Saturn> > > in 7th house. Of course, there will be exceptions and we can learn> > > from you and other learned members like Sreenadhji, Sunilji,> > > Sreeramji etc.> > > >> > > > This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:> > > > "If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be> > > subjected to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth,> > > will present himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts"> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@> > > wrote: Dear Hasmukhrai,> > > >> > > > You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even when> > > it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the house> > > occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the> > > strong Saturn.> > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote:> > > > I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its> > > aspects are.> > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.> > > >> > > > renunw renunw@ wrote:> > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > >> > > > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R]> > > > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be> > > > considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs> > > here.> > > >> > > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > >> > > > Marriage: 1981 Feb.> > > >> > > > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person.> > > God> > > > fearing.> > > >> > > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984> > > November].> > > >> > > > Married life: A happy, loving couple> > > >> > > > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.> > > >> > > > blessings> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > >> > > > > dear grp ,> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and> > > > pls> > > > > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and> > > his/her> > > > > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa> > > > padas can> > > > > giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> > > > Astrological services par excellence> > > > http://www.astroclinica.com> > > >> > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online.> > > > > > >> > >> >> > > >>

January 19, 2008

Dear Sreenadh ji,Some learned gurus at BVB did believe in this. They say that the aspect in an empty house is like trying to deliver a parcel where there is none to receive it.So we try and apply this rule. Aspects do seem to work better this way.

It may not be wise to mix things as you say. But even in parashar's yogkarak aspects, the results are achieved when say 9L aspects 10L and more so 10L in 10H and not when it aspects 10H only. (this is clearly given in Laghu Parashari also).

regardsneelamOn 19/01/2008, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Dear Neelam ji,

==>

> any planet is able to deliver his results through aspect only when another

planet is posited in

> the sign aspected, meaning if this exalted Saturn would aspect empty

Sagittarius rashi, there

> would be no rajyoga

<==

This is NOT an ancient indian astrology (i mean Arsha, Garga,

Yavana schols) dictum; but instead seems to have come from Jaimini or tajika

school. Mixing systems can cause trouble in correct result derivation -

beware! As per these traditional school, aspect has nothing to do with

the fact whether the sign is empty or not.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>> Dear All,> I also agree with Renuji and am also speaking from experience of seeing> several charts of 84 births.> Ofcourse the results do get modified in each individual based on the merits

> of the chart.> In 84, we have an exalted saturn and own house/mooltrikon jupiter.> -- saturn is in libra--exalted with directional strength being 10,11 lord of> Zodiac takes care of the karma and dividends. (an exalted lord gives name,

> fame & prosperity in its area of operation)> -- strong jupiter in 9H of zodiac protects the dharma trine giving strength> to lagna/education/children and the person reaps the harvest of his purva

> punya.> --- This saturn aspects jupiter in dhanu thus transferring his power to> bhagya lord. (any planet is able to deliver his results through aspect only> when another planet is posited in the sign aspected, meaning if this exalted

> saturn would aspect empty sagitarius rashi, there would be no rajyoga). The> 10th lords aspect on 9L does give these individuals an edge over other> natives when say next year Jup gets debilitated in capricorn.

> These are very generalised results but i have seen them manifest in the> charts and almost all the natives in this group (an i know not less than 25)> are doing well> in life having entered good professional lines through competitions and are

> earning well already.> -- the point about marriage (whether late or not) is a bit early to discuss.> may be after 3-4 years a better picture will be seen.> -- saturn makes them hardworking, balanced individuals and being in strength

> gives them ample rewards for their hardwork.> -- Many of them have moved out of country or went out of birth place to> study, etc. (7H saturn takes you away from birth place).> We could thus go on with the merits of this position. Similarly there are

> demerits also, which we could discuss.> regards> neelam> > > > On 19/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> >

> > Dear Kiran ji,> > Know that Renu ji is speaking from her direct knowledge of numerous> > known charts in her collection, and also that most of the transilations are> > not upto the mark and is out of context. Of course we would be looking

> > into such issues later, but as you know we have only finidshed wth ' Sun in> > various houses' and there is a long way to go till we reach 'Saturn in> > various houses'

> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> >> >

, " renunw " renunw@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Kiran ji,> > >> > > qoute:> > > " This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:

> > > If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be subjected> > > to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, will present> > > himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts " - unquote

> > >> > > It is good tht you brought out this. Those whom I know with Saturn> > > posited in 7H, and as a matter of fact...Saturn is exalted in most> > > of the cases I know..are good looking as far as the appearance is

> > > considered. Not sinful and do not indulge in very mean acts. They> > > lead exemplary lives.> > >> > > But on the other hand where Saturn is placed in his own house, the

> > > natives though good looking engage in mean and sinful acts.> > >> > > I do not know of any cases where Saturn is debilitated in 7H or in> > > enemey 7H.> > >

> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

, Kiran R> > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chandrashekarji,> > > >> > > > I am collating some shlokas from classics that tell about Saturn

> > > in 7th house. Of course, there will be exceptions and we can learn> > > from you and other learned members like Sreenadhji, Sunilji,> > > Sreeramji etc.> > > >

> > > > This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:> > > > " If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be> > > subjected to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth,

> > > will present himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts " > > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Kiran> > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@> > > wrote: Dear Hasmukhrai,> > > >> > > > You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even when> > > it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the house

> > > occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the> > > strong Saturn.> > > >> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > >> > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote:

> > > > I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its> > > aspects are.> > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.> > > >> > > > renunw renunw@ wrote:

> > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > >> > > > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R]> > > > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be

> > > > considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs> > > here.> > > >> > > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > >

> > > > Marriage: 1981 Feb.> > > >> > > > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person.> > > God> > > > fearing.> > > >

> > > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984> > > November].> > > >> > > > Married life: A happy, loving couple> > > >

> > > > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.> > > >> > > > blessings> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > > , " sunil nair " > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > >> > > > > dear grp ,

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and> > > > pls> > > > > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and

> > > his/her> > > > > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa

> > > > padas can> > > > > giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > But let us together probe into it

> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> > > > Astrological services par excellence

> > > > http://www.astroclinica.com> > > >> > > >

> > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >

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January 19, 2008

strong saturn will harm the house it aspects except when the house is swarashi or exalated sign. Debilitated Saturn will definately harm the house where it is sitting and also the house which it aspects. --- On Fri, 18/1/08, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekharRe: Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage . Date: Friday, 18 January, 2008, 11:20 PM

Dear Hasmukhrai,You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even when it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the house occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the strong Saturn.Chandrashekhar.Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote:

I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its aspects are.

Hasmukhrai J Mehta.renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sunil ji,The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs here. April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri LankaMarriage: 1981 Feb.Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. God fearing. Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 November].Married life: A happy, loving coupleHope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.blessingsRenuancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare ramakrishna> > dear grp ,> > > > Do u hav

charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and pls> tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and his/her> looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa padas can> giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .>Hasmukhrai J MehtaAstrological services par excellencehttp://www.astrocli nica.com

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January 19, 2008

Saturn in the 7th house aspects the Lagna. Saturn shrinks, wrinkles, reduces where it looks. - So one can derieve its effect on lagna. Saturn also deprieves and some people react like manner with other people - so we feel they are mean.

It also karaka of Vairagya - from ascetics who have renounced the world to disheveled people who have left their home and are roaming around - you will find influence of saturn in varying degrees beneficial or otherwise.

They are obviously not bothered about their appearances.

Saturn is a loner and karaka of adhyatma. It brings about the downfall of a person by :

1. Slowing him down,

2. by inflating his ego, which is later bound to get punctured.--- On Sat, 19/1/08, Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:

Kiran R <kiran.ramaRe: Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage . Date: Saturday, 19 January, 2008, 12:26 AM

Dear Chandrashekarji,I am collating some shlokas from classics that tell about Saturn in 7th house. Of course, there will be exceptions and we can learn from you and other learned members like Sreenadhji, Sunilji, Sreeramji etc.This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:"If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be subjected to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, will present himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts"RegardsKiranChandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekh ar (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

Dear Hasmukhrai,You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even when it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the house occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the strong Saturn.Chandrashekhar.Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote:

I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its aspects are..

Hasmukhrai J Mehta.renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sunil ji,The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs here. April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri LankaMarriage: 1981 Feb.Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. God fearing. Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 November].Married life: A happy, loving coupleHope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.blessingsRenuancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala .> wrote:>> > > > Hare ramakrishna> > dear grp ,> > > > Do u hav

charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and pls> tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and his/her> looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa padas can> giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .>Hasmukhrai J MehtaAstrological services par excellencehttp://www.astrocli nica.com

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January 19, 2008

Namaste Neelamji

Sorry to join in this exchange in middle.....the planet connectivity is more if there is a direct aspect, else it is a indirect, yet there is deliverance of result....concentrate or dilute...

I do have many hororscopes, where mere aspect has given results....can share with events...

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> Some learned gurus at BVB did believe in this. They say that the aspect in> an empty house is like trying to deliver a parcel where there is none to> receive it.> So we try and apply this rule. Aspects do seem to work better this way.> It may not be wise to mix things as you say. But even in parashar's yogkarak> aspects, the results are achieved when say 9L aspects 10L and more so 10L in> 10H and not when it aspects 10H only. (this is clearly given in Laghu> Parashari also).> regards> neelam> > > On 19/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> >> > Dear Neelam ji,> > ==>> > > any planet is able to deliver his results through aspect only when> > another planet is posited in> > > the sign aspected, meaning if this exalted Saturn would aspect empty> > Sagittarius rashi, there> > > would be no rajyoga> > <==> > This is NOT an ancient indian astrology (i mean Arsha, Garga, Yavana> > schols) dictum; but instead seems to have come from Jaimini or tajika> > school. Mixing systems can cause trouble in correct result derivation -> > beware! As per these traditional school, aspect has nothing to do with> > the fact whether the sign is empty or not.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh>

January 19, 2008

Dear Neelam ji,

You may be right - or may not be. But the point is

we are trying to understand the methodlogy of the sages through their

own words here. So the question would arise , which is the quote that

tells us that - "any planet is able to deliver his results through

aspect only when another planet is posited in the sign aspected,

meaning if this exalted Saturn would aspect empty Sagittarius

Rashi, there would be no rajyoga". If you have one, I would

request you to provide the same; so that we all can keep a watch on

this dictum.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> Some learned gurus at BVB did believe in this. They say that the aspect in> an empty house is like trying to deliver a parcel where there is none to> receive it.> So we try and apply this rule. Aspects do seem to work better this way.> It may not be wise to mix things as you say. But even in parashar's yogkarak> aspects, the results are achieved when say 9L aspects 10L and more so 10L in> 10H and not when it aspects 10H only. (this is clearly given in Laghu> Parashari also).> regards> neelam> > > On 19/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> >> > Dear Neelam ji,> > ==>> > > any planet is able to deliver his results through aspect only when> > another planet is posited in> > > the sign aspected, meaning if this exalted Saturn would aspect empty> > Sagittarius rashi, there> > > would be no rajyoga> > <==> > This is NOT an ancient indian astrology (i mean Arsha, Garga, Yavana> > schols) dictum; but instead seems to have come from Jaimini or tajika> > school. Mixing systems can cause trouble in correct result derivation -> > beware! As per these traditional school, aspect has nothing to do with> > the fact whether the sign is empty or not.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > I also agree with Renuji and am also speaking from experience of seeing> > > several charts of 84 births.> > > Ofcourse the results do get modified in each individual based on the> > merits> > > of the chart.> > > In 84, we have an exalted saturn and own house/mooltrikon jupiter.> > > -- saturn is in libra--exalted with directional strength being 10,11> > lord of> > > Zodiac takes care of the karma and dividends. (an exalted lord gives> > name,> > > fame & prosperity in its area of operation)> > > -- strong jupiter in 9H of zodiac protects the dharma trine giving> > strength> > > to lagna/education/children and the person reaps the harvest of his> > purva> > > punya.> > > --- This saturn aspects jupiter in dhanu thus transferring his power to> > > bhagya lord. (any planet is able to deliver his results through aspect> > only> > > when another planet is posited in the sign aspected, meaning if this> > exalted> > > saturn would aspect empty sagitarius rashi, there would be no rajyoga).> > The> > > 10th lords aspect on 9L does give these individuals an edge over other> > > natives when say next year Jup gets debilitated in capricorn.> > > These are very generalised results but i have seen them manifest in the> > > charts and almost all the natives in this group (an i know not less than> > 25)> > > are doing well> > > in life having entered good professional lines through competitions and> > are> > > earning well already.> > > -- the point about marriage (whether late or not) is a bit early to> > discuss.> > > may be after 3-4 years a better picture will be seen.> > > -- saturn makes them hardworking, balanced individuals and being in> > strength> > > gives them ample rewards for their hardwork.> > > -- Many of them have moved out of country or went out of birth place to> > > study, etc. (7H saturn takes you away from birth place).> > > We could thus go on with the merits of this position. Similarly there> > are> > > demerits also, which we could discuss.> > > regards> > > neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > On 19/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > Know that Renu ji is speaking from her direct knowledge of numerous> > > > known charts in her collection, and also that most of the> > transilations are> > > > not upto the mark and is out of context. Of course we would be> > looking> > > > into such issues later, but as you know we have only finidshed wth '> > Sun in> > > > various houses' and there is a long way to go till we reach 'Saturn in> > > > various houses' > > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > >> > > > , "renunw" renunw@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > >> > > > > qoute:> > > > > "This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:> > > > > If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be subjected> > > > > to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, will present> > > > > himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts"- unquote> > > > >> > > > > It is good tht you brought out this. Those whom I know with Saturn> > > > > posited in 7H, and as a matter of fact...Saturn is exalted in most> > > > > of the cases I know..are good looking as far as the appearance is> > > > > considered. Not sinful and do not indulge in very mean acts. They> > > > > lead exemplary lives.> > > > >> > > > > But on the other hand where Saturn is placed in his own house, the> > > > > natives though good looking engage in mean and sinful acts.> > > > >> > > > > I do not know of any cases where Saturn is debilitated in 7H or in> > > > > enemey 7H.> > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji,> > > > > >> > > > > > I am collating some shlokas from classics that tell about Saturn> > > > > in 7th house. Of course, there will be exceptions and we can learn> > > > > from you and other learned members like Sreenadhji, Sunilji,> > > > > Sreeramji etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:> > > > > > "If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be> > > > > subjected to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth,> > > > > will present himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts"> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kiran> > > > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@> > > > > wrote: Dear Hasmukhrai,> > > > > >> > > > > > You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even when> > > > > it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the house> > > > > occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the> > > > > strong Saturn.> > > > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > >> > > > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote:> > > > > > I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its> > > > > aspects are.> > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.> > > > > >> > > > > > renunw renunw@ wrote:> > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R]> > > > > > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be> > > > > > considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs> > > > > here.> > > > > >> > > > > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > >> > > > > > Marriage: 1981 Feb.> > > > > >> > > > > > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person.> > > > > God> > > > > > fearing.> > > > > >> > > > > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984> > > > > November].> > > > > >> > > > > > Married life: A happy, loving couple> > > > > >> > > > > > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.> > > > > >> > > > > > blessings> > > > > >> > > > > > Renu> > > > > >> > > > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear grp ,> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and> > > > > > pls> > > > > > > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and> > > > > his/her> > > > > > > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa> > > > > > padas can> > > > > > > giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> > > > > > Astrological services par excellence> > > > > > http://www.astroclinica.com> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online.> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

January 19, 2008

Dear Sreenadh ji,Sorry for arguing again, for I may be wrong again, but I would appreciate if this doubt is settled once for all. " any planet is able to deliver his results through

aspect only when another planet is posited in the sign aspected,

meaning if this exalted Saturn would aspect empty Sagittarius

Rashi, there would be no rajyoga " I have learnt that to an empty house the planet will give only its malefic/benefic aspects as the case may be. A benefic will augment the results of the house and a malefic will harm the house as per their general karkatwas (depending upon its strength) . Whereas if a planet like exalted saturn who may also be yogkarak or rajyog producing planet, will give yogkarak results of its lordship when a planet is posited in the aspected sign or he is himself sitting in the other sign. e.g. if a yogkarak mars is aspecting say Jupiter in 4H, it'll give its results through Jupiter in appropriate dasha, wheresas if Jup is not posited in 4H, this mars will only cast its malefic spell on the 4H, especially if its functional malefic also.

Hope I am able to make myself clear. But I shall be most grateful to get your valuable opinion on this.RegardsNeelamOn 19/01/2008,

Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Dear Neelam ji,

You may be right - or may not be. But the point is

we are trying to understand the methodlogy of the sages through their

own words here. So the question would arise , which is the quote that

tells us that - " any planet is able to deliver his results through

aspect only when another planet is posited in the sign aspected,

meaning if this exalted Saturn would aspect empty Sagittarius

Rashi, there would be no rajyoga " . If you have one, I would

request you to provide the same; so that we all can keep a watch on

this dictum.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> Some learned gurus at BVB did believe in this. They say that the aspect in> an empty house is like trying to deliver a parcel where there is none to

> receive it.> So we try and apply this rule. Aspects do seem to work better this way.> It may not be wise to mix things as you say. But even in parashar's yogkarak> aspects, the results are achieved when say 9L aspects 10L and more so 10L in

> 10H and not when it aspects 10H only. (this is clearly given in Laghu> Parashari also).> regards> neelam> > > On 19/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:

> >> > Dear Neelam ji,> > ==>> > > any planet is able to deliver his results through aspect only when> > another planet is posited in> > > the sign aspected, meaning if this exalted Saturn would aspect empty

> > Sagittarius rashi, there> > > would be no rajyoga> > <==> > This is NOT an ancient indian astrology (i mean Arsha, Garga, Yavana> > schols) dictum; but instead seems to have come from Jaimini or tajika

> > school. Mixing systems can cause trouble in correct result derivation -> > beware! As per these traditional school, aspect has nothing to do with> > the fact whether the sign is empty or not.

> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >

, " neelam gupta " > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear All,> > > I also agree with Renuji and am also speaking from experience of seeing> > > several charts of 84 births.

> > > Ofcourse the results do get modified in each individual based on the> > merits> > > of the chart.> > > In 84, we have an exalted saturn and own house/mooltrikon jupiter.

> > > -- saturn is in libra--exalted with directional strength being 10,11> > lord of> > > Zodiac takes care of the karma and dividends. (an exalted lord gives> > name,> > > fame & prosperity in its area of operation)

> > > -- strong jupiter in 9H of zodiac protects the dharma trine giving> > strength> > > to lagna/education/children and the person reaps the harvest of his> > purva> > > punya.

> > > --- This saturn aspects jupiter in dhanu thus transferring his power to> > > bhagya lord. (any planet is able to deliver his results through aspect> > only> > > when another planet is posited in the sign aspected, meaning if this

> > exalted> > > saturn would aspect empty sagitarius rashi, there would be no rajyoga).> > The> > > 10th lords aspect on 9L does give these individuals an edge over other

> > > natives when say next year Jup gets debilitated in capricorn.> > > These are very generalised results but i have seen them manifest in the> > > charts and almost all the natives in this group (an i know not less than

> > 25)> > > are doing well> > > in life having entered good professional lines through competitions and> > are> > > earning well already.> > > -- the point about marriage (whether late or not) is a bit early to

> > discuss.> > > may be after 3-4 years a better picture will be seen.> > > -- saturn makes them hardworking, balanced individuals and being in> > strength> > > gives them ample rewards for their hardwork.

> > > -- Many of them have moved out of country or went out of birth place to> > > study, etc. (7H saturn takes you away from birth place).> > > We could thus go on with the merits of this position. Similarly there

> > are> > > demerits also, which we could discuss.> > > regards> > > neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > On 19/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > Know that Renu ji is speaking from her direct knowledge of numerous> > > > known charts in her collection, and also that most of the

> > transilations are> > > > not upto the mark and is out of context. Of course we would be> > looking> > > > into such issues later, but as you know we have only finidshed wth '

> > Sun in> > > > various houses' and there is a long way to go till we reach 'Saturn in> > > > various houses' > > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >> > > >> > > >

, " renunw " renunw@> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > >> > > > > qoute:> > > > > " This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:

> > > > > If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be subjected> > > > > to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, will present> > > > > himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts " - unquote

> > > > >> > > > > It is good tht you brought out this. Those whom I know with Saturn> > > > > posited in 7H, and as a matter of fact...Saturn is exalted in most

> > > > > of the cases I know..are good looking as far as the appearance is> > > > > considered. Not sinful and do not indulge in very mean acts. They> > > > > lead exemplary lives.

> > > > >> > > > > But on the other hand where Saturn is placed in his own house, the> > > > > natives though good looking engage in mean and sinful acts.> > > > >

> > > > > I do not know of any cases where Saturn is debilitated in 7H or in> > > > > enemey 7H.> > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >

> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >

, Kiran R> > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji,> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am collating some shlokas from classics that tell about Saturn> > > > > in 7th house. Of course, there will be exceptions and we can learn> > > > > from you and other learned members like Sreenadhji, Sunilji,

> > > > > Sreeramji etc.> > > > > >> > > > > > This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:> > > > > > " If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be

> > > > > subjected to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth,> > > > > will present himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts " > > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Kiran> > > > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@> > > > > wrote: Dear Hasmukhrai,

> > > > > >> > > > > > You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even when> > > > > it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the house

> > > > > occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the> > > > > strong Saturn.> > > > > >> > > > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote:> > > > > > I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its> > > > > aspects are.

> > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.> > > > > >> > > > > > renunw renunw@ wrote:> > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > >

> > > > > > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R]> > > > > > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be> > > > > > considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs

> > > > > here.> > > > > >> > > > > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > >> > > > > > Marriage: 1981 Feb.

> > > > > >> > > > > > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person.> > > > > God> > > > > > fearing.> > > > > >

> > > > > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984> > > > > November].> > > > > >> > > > > > Married life: A happy, loving couple

> > > > > >> > > > > > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.> > > > > >> > > > > > blessings> > > > > >

> > > > > > Renu> > > > > >> > > > > >

, " sunil nair " > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > >> > > > > > > dear grp ,> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and> > > > > > pls> > > > > > > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and

> > > > > his/her> > > > > > > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa> > > > > > padas can> > > > > > > giv various results depend on the chart .

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> > > > > > Astrological services par excellence> > > > > > http://www.astroclinica.com> > > > > >> > > > > >

> > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >

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> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

January 19, 2008

Dear Sunil-ji,

pls look this kundali her marriage happened at 21 yrs old, tell me what we study on her??

leo lagna, in 2nd colunm virgo=mars,moon, in 4th colunm scorpio=ketu, in 6th colunm,capricon=venus

& in7th colunm aquarius=sun,saturn,mercury so she had in 7th colunm=saturn which should delay marriege but not hers cause she married at 21 yrs age & finally in 9th colunm aries=jupiter, so can see here example of saturn in 7th ok let me know what & why??

thanks

patel

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:29:15 PM Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .

hare rama krishna.

dear renu ji .

Thank u for posting the data .While posting this actualy i hav u in mind as a dependable astro data .Also sreeram ji has good collection .Tho we got many charts time to time ,the lack of feed back and the behavior of ppl as if they know i hav their chart then they will cal me after 4 years and will say u hav my data and i wanted to know this and that ,without even bothering to reply what happened to earlier predictions .

Yes i always feel that when a planet is exalted in a bhava it will generaly increase the effect of the bhava .That is y i asked other details like look of spouce and quality of life after marriage .

I came tru a chart with debilated sani in 7th bhava and boy (indian) is 36 and unmarried and now in lov with a veitnam girl and even that relation seems to be on the rocks and he never bothered to giv a feed back as i predicted negetiv .As prashna was also indicating some thing wrong .Now its already one year passed .

Thank u ones again and also pls look for sani in debilation ,in own house and enemy house charts .

i also request others to contribute with own reading or feed back .

regrds sunil nair .

on shreem maha laxmai namah .

ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be > considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs here. > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka> > Marriage: 1981 Feb.> > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. God > fearing. > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 November].> > Married life: A happy, loving couple> > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.> > blessings> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:>

>> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > dear grp ,> > > > > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and > pls> > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and his/her> > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa > padas can> > giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > > > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >>

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January 19, 2008

Dear Sunil-ji,

Sorry to tell more detail on her marriage life, but she will finishing 22nd anniversry, happy life,

married to a rich person, had 2 sons, the only bad thing i would see is she is diabetic,high BP, high caloestrol,[health issue] but very active,strong,take care of health in all good ways, ok let me know if you need more info on her ok thanks

patel

----- Forwarded Message ----rashmi patel <rashmihpatel Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:04:49 AMRe: Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .

Dear Sunil-ji,

pls look this kundali her marriage happened at 21 yrs old, tell me what we study on her??

leo lagna, in 2nd colunm virgo=mars,moon, in 4th colunm scorpio=ketu, in 6th colunm,capricon=venus

& in7th colunm aquarius=sun,saturn,mercury so she had in 7th colunm=saturn which should delay marriege but not hers cause she married at 21 yrs age & finally in 9th colunm aries=jupiter, so can see here example of saturn in 7th ok let me know what & why??

thanks

patel

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:29:15 PM Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .

hare rama krishna.

dear renu ji .

Thank u for posting the data .While posting this actualy i hav u in mind as a dependable astro data .Also sreeram ji has good collection .Tho we got many charts time to time ,the lack of feed back and the behavior of ppl as if they know i hav their chart then they will cal me after 4 years and will say u hav my data and i wanted to know this and that ,without even bothering to reply what happened to earlier predictions .

Yes i always feel that when a planet is exalted in a bhava it will generaly increase the effect of the bhava .That is y i asked other details like look of spouce and quality of life after marriage .

I came tru a chart with debilated sani in 7th bhava and boy (indian) is 36 and unmarried and now in lov with a veitnam girl and even that relation seems to be on the rocks and he never bothered to giv a feed back as i predicted negetiv .As prashna was also indicating some thing wrong .Now its already one year passed .

Thank u ones again and also pls look for sani in debilation ,in own house and enemy house charts .

i also request others to contribute with own reading or feed back .

regrds sunil nair .

on shreem maha laxmai namah .

ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be > considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs here. > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka> > Marriage: 1981 Feb.> > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. God > fearing. > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 November].> > Married life: A happy, loving couple> > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.> > blessings> > Renu> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:>

>> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > dear grp ,> > > > > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and > pls> > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and his/her> > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa > padas can> > giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > > > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >>

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January 19, 2008

Dear Neelam ji,

I am yet to see any quote that says the same - and don't

believe in that dictum. If you believe it to be so - I would request you to

provide the supporting quote and clarify it using an example; an example chart that

badly requires this dictum to explain the actual event that took place.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:

Re: Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .

Dear Sreenadh ji,

Sorry for arguing again, for I may be wrong again, but I would appreciate if this doubt is settled once for all.

"any planet is able to deliver his results through

aspect only when another planet is posited in the sign aspected,

meaning if this exalted Saturn would aspect empty Sagittarius

Rashi, there would be no rajyoga"I

have learnt that to an empty house the planet will give only its

malefic/benefic aspects as the case may be. A benefic will augment the

results of the house and a malefic will harm the house as per their

general karkatwas (depending upon its strength) . Whereas if a planet

like exalted saturn who may also be yogkarak or rajyog producing

planet, will give yogkarak results of its lordship when a planet is

posited in the aspected sign or he is himself sitting in the other

sign. e.g. if a yogkarak mars is aspecting say Jupiter in 4H, it'll

give its results through Jupiter in appropriate dasha, wheresas if Jup

is not posited in 4H, this mars will only cast its malefic spell on the

4H, especially if its functional malefic also.

Hope I am able to make myself clear. But I shall be most grateful to get your valuable opinion on this.RegardsNeelamOn 19/01/2008,

Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Dear Neelam ji,

You may be right - or may not be. But the point is

we are trying to understand the methodlogy of the sages through their

own words here. So the question would arise , which is the quote that

tells us that - "any planet is able to deliver his results through

aspect only when another planet is posited in the sign aspected,

meaning if this exalted Saturn would aspect empty Sagittarius

Rashi, there would be no rajyoga". If you have one, I would

request you to provide the same; so that we all can keep a watch on

this dictum.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

> >> > , "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > Some learned gurus at BVB did believe in this. They say that the aspect> > in> > > an empty house is like trying to deliver a parcel where there is none to> > > receive it.> > > So we try and apply this rule. Aspects do seem to work better this way.> > > It may not be wise to mix things as you say. But even in parashar's> > yogkarak> > > aspects, the results are achieved when say 9L aspects 10L and more so> > 10L in> > > 10H and not when it aspects 10H only. (this is clearly given in Laghu> > > Parashari also).> > > regards> > > neelam> > >> > >> > > On 19/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > > > ==>> > > > > any planet is able to deliver his results through aspect only when> > > > another planet is posited in> > > > > the sign aspected, meaning if this exalted Saturn would aspect empty> > > > Sagittarius rashi, there> > > > > would be no rajyoga> > > > <==> > > > This is NOT an ancient indian astrology (i mean Arsha, Garga, Yavana> > > > schols) dictum; but instead seems to have come from Jaimini or tajika> > > > school. Mixing systems can cause trouble in correct result derivation> > -> > > > beware! As per these traditional school, aspect has nothing to do> > with> > > > the fact whether the sign is empty or not.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > I also agree with Renuji and am also speaking from experience of> > seeing> > > > > several charts of 84 births.> > > > > Ofcourse the results do get modified in each individual based on the> > > > merits> > > > > of the chart.> > > > > In 84, we have an exalted saturn and own house/mooltrikon jupiter.> > > > > -- saturn is in libra--exalted with directional strength being 10,11> > > > lord of> > > > > Zodiac takes care of the karma and dividends. (an exalted lord gives> > > > name,> > > > > fame & prosperity in its area of operation)> > > > > -- strong jupiter in 9H of zodiac protects the dharma trine giving> > > > strength> > > > > to lagna/education/children and the person reaps the harvest of his> > > > purva> > > > > punya.> > > > > --- This saturn aspects jupiter in dhanu thus transferring his power> > to> > > > > bhagya lord. (any planet is able to deliver his results through> > aspect> > > > only> > > > > when another planet is posited in the sign aspected, meaning if this> > > > exalted> > > > > saturn would aspect empty sagitarius rashi, there would be no> > rajyoga).> > > > The> > > > > 10th lords aspect on 9L does give these individuals an edge over> > other> > > > > natives when say next year Jup gets debilitated in capricorn.> > > > > These are very generalised results but i have seen them manifest in> > the> > > > > charts and almost all the natives in this group (an i know not less> > than> > > > 25)> > > > > are doing well> > > > > in life having entered good professional lines through competitions> > and> > > > are> > > > > earning well already.> > > > > -- the point about marriage (whether late or not) is a bit early to> > > > discuss.> > > > > may be after 3-4 years a better picture will be seen.> > > > > -- saturn makes them hardworking, balanced individuals and being in> > > > strength> > > > > gives them ample rewards for their hardwork.> > > > > -- Many of them have moved out of country or went out of birth place> > to> > > > > study, etc. (7H saturn takes you away from birth place).> > > > > We could thus go on with the merits of this position. Similarly> > there> > > > are> > > > > demerits also, which we could discuss.> > > > > regards> > > > > neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 19/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > > Know that Renu ji is speaking from her direct knowledge of> > numerous> > > > > > known charts in her collection, and also that most of the> > > > transilations are> > > > > > not upto the mark and is out of context. Of course we would be> > > > looking> > > > > > into such issues later, but as you know we have only finidshed wth> > '> > > > Sun in> > > > > > various houses' and there is a long way to go till we reach> > 'Saturn in> > > > > > various houses' > > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > , "renunw" renunw@> > > > > > wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Kiran ji,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > qoute:> > > > > > > "This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:> > > > > > > If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be> > subjected> > > > > > > to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, will> > present> > > > > > > himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts"- unquote> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It is good tht you brought out this. Those whom I know with> > Saturn> > > > > > > posited in 7H, and as a matter of fact...Saturn is exalted in> > most> > > > > > > of the cases I know..are good looking as far as the appearance> > is> > > > > > > considered. Not sinful and do not indulge in very mean acts.> > They> > > > > > > lead exemplary lives.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > But on the other hand where Saturn is placed in his own house,> > the> > > > > > > natives though good looking engage in mean and sinful acts.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I do not know of any cases where Saturn is debilitated in 7H or> > in> > > > > > > enemey 7H.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > , Kiran R> > > > > > > kiran.rama@ wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Dear Chandrashekarji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I am collating some shlokas from classics that tell about> > Saturn> > > > > > > in 7th house. Of course, there will be exceptions and we can> > learn> > > > > > > from you and other learned members like Sreenadhji, Sunilji,> > > > > > > Sreeramji etc.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:> > > > > > > > "If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be> > > > > > > subjected to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of> > wealth,> > > > > > > will present himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts"> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Kiran> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@> > > > > > > wrote: Dear Hasmukhrai,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even> > when> > > > > > > it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the> > house> > > > > > > occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the> > > > > > > strong Saturn.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote:> > > > > > > > I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its> > > > > > > aspects are.> > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > renunw renunw@ wrote:> > > > > > > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R]> > > > > > > > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not> > be> > > > > > > > considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs> > > > > > > here.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Marriage: 1981 Feb.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good> > person.> > > > > > > God> > > > > > > > fearing.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984> > > > > > > November].> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Married life: A happy, loving couple> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in> > 7H.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > , "sunil nair"> > > > > > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > dear grp ,> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples> > and> > > > > > > > pls> > > > > > > > > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and> > > > > > > his/her> > > > > > > > > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various> > navamsa> > > > > > > > padas can> > > > > > > > > giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta> > > > > > > > Astrological services par excellence> > > > > > > > http://www.astroclinica.com> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click> > here.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive> > online.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > >>

January 19, 2008

Dear Kiran,

As you have said the classics give indications of grahas in houses and

Saravali , perhaps does say what you quote. However one has to read it

with Shloka 2 Adhyaaya 4 where it says that Shani gives sorrow only if

weak and when strong it gives contrary (good) results. Tatwapradeep

says what I indicated and this exception has also to be applied to what

is stated by Saravali, perhaps?

Chandrashekhar.

Kiran R wrote:

Dear Chandrashekarji,

I am collating some shlokas from classics that tell about Saturn in 7th

house. Of course, there will be exceptions and we can learn from you

and other learned members like Sreenadhji, Sunilji, Sreeramji etc.

This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:

"If Saturn is posited in the 7th,

the native will always be subjected to ill health, will lose his wife,

be bereft of wealth, will present himself ugly, be sinful and will do

very mean acts"

Regards

Kiran

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar >

wrote:

Dear Hasmukhrai,

You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even when it may

not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the house occupied.

Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the strong Saturn.

Chandrashekhar.

Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote:

I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its

aspects are.

Hasmukhrai J Mehta.

renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote:

Dear Sunil ji,

The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R]

Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be

considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs here.

April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka

Marriage: 1981 Feb.

Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. God

fearing.

Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 November].

Married life: A happy, loving couple

Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.

blessings

Renu

,

"sunil nair"

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> Hare ramakrishna

>

> dear grp ,

>

> Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and

pls

> tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and his/her

> looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .

>

> Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa

padas can

> giv various results depend on the chart .

>

> But let us together probe into it

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

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January 19, 2008

Dear Neelam,

I think Sreenadhji is right. Aspect of an exalted Saturn on any bhava,

whether holding a graha or not will influence the results of that

bhava.

Chandrashekhar.

neelam gupta wrote:

Dear Sreenadh ji,

Some learned gurus at BVB did believe in this. They say that the aspect

in an empty house is like trying to deliver a parcel where there is

none to receive it.

So we try and apply this rule. Aspects do seem to work better this way.

It may not be wise to mix things as you say. But even in parashar's

yogkarak aspects, the results are achieved when say 9L aspects 10L and

more so 10L in 10H and not when it aspects 10H only. (this is clearly

given in Laghu Parashari also).

regards

neelam

On 19/01/2008, Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote:

Dear Neelam ji,

==>

> any planet is able to deliver his results through aspect only when

another

planet is posited in

> the sign aspected, meaning if this exalted Saturn

would aspect empty

Sagittarius rashi, there

> would be no rajyoga

<==

This is NOT an ancient indian astrology (i mean Arsha, Garga,

Yavana schols) dictum; but instead seems to have come from Jaimini or

tajika

school. Mixing systems can cause trouble in correct result derivation -

beware! As per these traditional school, aspect has nothing to do

with

the fact whether the sign is empty or not.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

,

"neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> I also agree with Renuji and am also speaking from experience of

seeing

> several charts of 84 births.

> Ofcourse the results do get modified in each individual based on

the merits

> of the chart.

> In 84, we have an exalted saturn and own house/mooltrikon jupiter.

> -- saturn is in libra--exalted with directional strength being

10,11 lord of

> Zodiac takes care of the karma and dividends. (an exalted lord

gives name,

> fame & prosperity in its area of operation)

> -- strong jupiter in 9H of zodiac protects the dharma trine giving

strength

> to lagna/education/children and the person reaps the harvest

of his purva

> punya.

> --- This saturn aspects jupiter in dhanu thus transferring his

power to

> bhagya lord. (any planet is able to deliver his results through

aspect only

> when another planet is posited in the sign aspected, meaning if

this exalted

> saturn would aspect empty sagitarius rashi, there would be no

rajyoga). The

> 10th lords aspect on 9L does give these individuals an edge over

other

> natives when say next year Jup gets debilitated in capricorn.

> These are very generalised results but i have seen them manifest

in the

> charts and almost all the natives in this group (an i know not

less than 25)

> are doing well

> in life having entered good professional lines through

competitions and are

> earning well already.

> -- the point about marriage (whether late or not) is a bit early

to discuss.

> may be after 3-4 years a better picture will be seen.

> -- saturn makes them hardworking, balanced individuals and being

in strength

> gives them ample rewards for their hardwork.

> -- Many of them have moved out of country or went out of birth

place to

> study, etc. (7H saturn takes you away from birth place).

> We could thus go on with the merits of this position. Similarly

there are

> demerits also, which we could discuss.

> regards

> neelam

>

> On 19/01/2008,

Sreenadh sreesog wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kiran ji,

> > Know that Renu ji is speaking from her direct knowledge of

numerous

> > known charts in her collection, and also that most of the

transilations are

> > not upto the mark and is out of context. Of course we

would be looking

> > into such issues later, but as you know we have only

finidshed wth ' Sun in

> > various houses' and there is a long way to go till we reach

'Saturn in

> > various houses'

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

, "renunw"

renunw@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > >

> > > qoute:

> > > "This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:

> > > If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always

be subjected

> > > to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth,

will present

> > > himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts"-

unquote

> > >

> > > It is good tht you brought out this. Those whom I know

with Saturn

> > > posited in 7H, and as a matter of fact...Saturn is

exalted in most

> > > of the cases I know..are good looking as far as the

appearance is

> > > considered. Not sinful and do not indulge in very mean

acts. They

> > > lead exemplary lives.

> > >

> > > But on the other hand where Saturn is placed in his own

house, the

> > > natives though good looking engage in mean and sinful

acts.

> > >

> > > I do not know of any cases where Saturn is debilitated

in 7H or in

> > > enemey 7H.

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

, Kiran R

> > > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekarji,

> > > >

> > > > I am collating some shlokas from classics that tell

about Saturn

> > > in 7th house. Of course, there will be exceptions and we

can learn

> > > from you and other learned members like Sreenadhji,

Sunilji,

> > > Sreeramji etc.

> > > >

> > > > This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:

> > > > "If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will

always be

> > > subjected to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft

of wealth,

> > > will present himself ugly, be sinful and will do very

mean acts"

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@

> > > wrote: Dear Hasmukhrai,

> > > >

> > > > You are right. Saturn will not harm the house

occupied even when

> > > it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm

the house

> > > occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more

than the

> > > strong Saturn.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote:

> > > > I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not

harmful; its

> > > aspects are.

> > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.

> > > >

> > > > renunw renunw@ wrote:

> > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > >

> > > > The following is the chart of a native [male] with

exalted [R]

> > > > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26,

which may not be

> > > > considered as a late marriage according to

traditions, customs

> > > here.

> > > >

> > > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka

> > > >

> > > > Marriage: 1981 Feb.

> > > >

> > > > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a

good person.

> > > God

> > > > fearing.

> > > >

> > > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] &

son [1984

> > > November].

> > > >

> > > > Married life: A happy, loving couple

> > > >

> > > > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage

+ Shani in 7H.

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > ,

"sunil nair"

> > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna

> > > > >

> > > > > dear grp ,

> > > > >

> > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of

married couples and

> > > > pls

> > > > > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age

of partner and

> > > his/her

> > > > > looks .and also whether such marriage is

delayed .

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and

various navamsa

> > > > padas can

> > > > > giv various results depend on the chart .

> > > > >

> > > > > But let us together probe into it

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta

> > > > Astrological services par excellence

> > > > http://www.astroclinica.com

> > > >

> > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download

required.

> > > >

> > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message

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> > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 19, 2008

Namaste Neelam

Certainly agree with you regarding true “Rajyoga”

only being possible when Grahas are either aspecting one another or in

Parivatna (exchange of Houses) but please don’t confuse yourself in

thinking that Grahas have No affects when aspecting “empty”

Houses/Signs ….

Inaddition important to always keep in

mind the relationship between the Grahas and the Lagna Lord as to whether it

will be beneficial or negative regarding results given ……

Best wishes ….

Jai Sita Ram

Ram

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

19 January 2008 07:44

Subject:

Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .

Dear Neelam ji,

==>

> any planet is able to deliver his results through aspect only when another

planet is posited in

> the sign aspected, meaning if this exalted Saturn would aspect empty

Sagittarius rashi, there

> would be no rajyoga

<==

This is NOT an ancient indian astrology (i mean Arsha, Garga,

Yavana schols) dictum; but instead seems to have come from Jaimini or tajika

school. Mixing systems can cause trouble in correct result derivation -

beware! As per these traditional school, aspect has nothing to do with

the fact whether the sign is empty or not.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

,

" neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear All,

> I also agree with Renuji and am also speaking from experience of seeing

> several charts of 84 births.

> Ofcourse the results do get modified in each individual based on the

merits

> of the chart.

> In 84, we have an exalted saturn and own house/mooltrikon jupiter.

> -- saturn is in libra--exalted with directional strength being 10,11 lord

of

> Zodiac takes care of the karma and dividends. (an exalted lord gives name,

> fame & prosperity in its area of operation)

> -- strong jupiter in 9H of zodiac protects the dharma trine giving

strength

> to lagna/education/children and the person reaps the harvest of his

purva

> punya.

> --- This saturn aspects jupiter in dhanu thus transferring his power to

> bhagya lord. (any planet is able to deliver his results th rough aspect

only

> when another planet is posited in the sign aspected, meaning if this

exalted

> saturn would aspect empty sagitarius rashi, there would be no rajyoga).

The

> 10th lords aspect on 9L does give these individuals an edge over other

> natives when say next year Jup gets debilitated in capricorn.

> These are very generalised results but i have seen them manifest in the

> charts and almost all the natives in this group (an i know not less than

25)

> are doing well

> in life having entered good professional lines through competitions and

are

> earning well already.

> -- the point about marriage (whether late or not) is a bit early to

discuss.

> may be after 3-4 years a better picture will be seen.

> -- saturn makes them hardworking, balanced individuals and being in

strength

> gives them ample rewards for their hardwork.

> -- Many of them have moved out of country or went out of birth plac e to

> study, etc. (7H saturn takes you away from birth place).

> We could thus go on with the merits of this position. Similarly there are

> demerits also, which we could discuss.

> regards

> neelam

>

> On 19/01/2008, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:

> >

> > Dear Kiran ji,

> > Know that Renu ji is speaking from her direct knowledge of numerous

> > known charts in her collection, and also that most of the

transilations are

> > not upto the mark and is out of context. Of course we would be

looking

> > into such issues later, but as you know we have only finidshed wth '

Sun in

> > various houses' and there is a long way to go till we reach 'Saturn

in

> > various houses'

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ,

" renunw " renunw@

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Kiran ji,

> > >

> > > qoute:

> > > " This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:

> > > If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be

subjected

> > > to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, will

present

> > > himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts " -

unquote

> > >

> > > It is good tht you brought out this. Those whom I know with

Saturn

> > > posited in 7H, and as a matter of fact...Saturn is exalted in

most

> > > of the cases I know..are good looking as far as the appearance

is

> > > considered. Not sinful and do not indulge in very mean acts.

They

> > > lead exemplary lives.

> > >

> > > But on the other hand where Saturn is placed in his own house,

the

> > > natives though good looking engage in mean and sinful act s.

> > >

> > > I do not know of any cases where Saturn is debilitated in 7H or

in

> > > enemey 7H.

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > ,

Kiran R

> > > kiran.rama@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Chandrashekarji,

> > > >

> > > > I am collating some shlokas from classics that tell about

Saturn

> > > in 7th house. Of course, there will be exceptions and we can

learn

> > > from you and other learned members like Sreenadhji, Sunilji,

> > > Sreeramji etc.

> > > >

> > > > This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says:

> > > > " If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will

always be

> & gt; > subjected to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of

wealth,

> > > will present himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean

acts "

> > > >

> > > > Regards

> > > > Kiran

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar sharma.chandrashekhar@

> > > wrote: Dear Hasmukhrai,

> > > >

> > > > You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even

when

> > > it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the

house

> > > occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the

> > > strong Saturn.

> > > >

> > > > Chandrashekhar.

> > > >

> > > > Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote:

> > > > I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its

> > > aspects are.

> > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta.

> > > >

& g t; > > > renunw renunw@ wrote:

> > > > Dear Sunil ji,

> > > >

> > > > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted

[R]

> > > > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may

not be

> > > > considered as a late marriage according to traditions,

customs

> > > here.

> > > >

> > > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka

> > > >

> > > > Marriage: 1981 Feb.

> > > >

> > > > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good

person.

> > > God

> > > > fearing.

> > > >

> > > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son

[1984

> > > November].

> > > >

> > > > Married life: A happy, loving couple

> > > >

> > > > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani

in 7H.

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > > ,

" sunil nair "

> > > > <astro_tellerkerala@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hare ramakrishna

> > > > >

> > > > > dear grp ,

> > > > >

> > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married

couples and

> > > > pls

> > > > > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of

partner and

> > > his/her

> > > > > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .

> > > > >

> > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various

navamsa

> > > > padas can

> > > > > giv various results depend on the chart .

> > > > >

> > > > > But let us together probe into it

> > > > >

> > > > > regrds sunil nair

> > > > >

> > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Hasmukhrai J Mehta

> > > > Astrological services par excellence

> > > > http://www.astroclinica.com

> > > >

> > > > Chat on a cool, new interface. No download required. Click

here.

> > > >

> > > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive

online.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 19, 2008

Hare ramakrishna,

dear rashmi patel ji ,

Here i was not declaring sani in 7th house will giv delayed marriage .

(As sani is karaka for delays ,servitude ,sorrow and old age .)

Wat i wanted was a general discussion on sani in various houses can giv .In the chart u given without birth data ( pls make sure that u post data in any discussions ) ,i find sani is 7th Lord .so it can protect its interest in the chart .

So next time when i post some thing ,make sure that i am not giving my opinions or imposing it on anybody .And i am inviting the opinions and exp of learned memebrs and we r reserching what is happening in actual life .

thank u for participating

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote:>> Dear Sunil-ji,> Sorry to tell more detail on her marriage life, but she will finishing 22nd anniversry, happy life,> married to a rich person, had 2 sons, the only bad thing i would see is she is diabetic,high BP, high caloestrol,[health issue] but very active,strong,take care of health in all good ways, ok let me know if you need more info on her ok thanks> patel> > > ----- Forwarded Message ----> rashmi patel rashmihpatel > Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:04:49 AM> Re: Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .> > > Dear Sunil-ji,> pls look this kundali her marriage happened at 21 yrs old, tell me what we study on her??> leo lagna, in 2nd colunm virgo=mars,moon, in 4th colunm scorpio=ketu, in 6th colunm,capricon=venus> & in7th colunm aquarius=sun,saturn,mercury so she had in 7th colunm=saturn which should delay marriege but not hers cause she married at 21 yrs age & finally in 9th colunm aries=jupiter, so can see here example of saturn in 7th ok let me know what & why??> thanks> patel> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala > Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:29:15 PM> Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .> > > hare rama krishna.> dear renu ji .> > Thank u for posting the data .While posting this actualy i hav u in mind as a dependable astro data .Also sreeram ji has good collection .Tho we got many charts time to time ,the lack of feed back and the behavior of ppl as if they know i hav their chart then they will cal me after 4 years and will say u hav my data and i wanted to know this and that ,without even bothering to reply what happened to earlier predictions .> > Yes i always feel that when a planet is exalted in a bhava it will generaly increase the effect of the bhava .That is y i asked other details like look of spouce and quality of life after marriage .> > I came tru a chart with debilated sani in 7th bhava and boy (indian) is 36 and unmarried and now in lov with a veitnam girl and even that relation seems to be on the rocks and he never bothered to giv a feed back as i predicted negetiv .As prashna was also indicating some thing wrong .Now its already one year passed .> > Thank u ones again and also pls look for sani in debilation ,in own house and enemy house charts .> i also request others to contribute with own reading or feed back .> > > regrds sunil nair .> on shreem maha laxmai namah .> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" renunw@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] > > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be > > considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs here. > > > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > Marriage: 1981 Feb.> > > > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. God > > fearing. > > > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 November].> > > > Married life: A happy, loving couple> > > > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.> > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair" > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > dear grp ,> > > > > > > > > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and > > pls> > > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and his/her> > > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa > > padas can> > > giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > > > > > > > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > >> >> > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.> > > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs>

January 19, 2008

Dear Sunil-ji,

Yes i know we r just studing sani in differnt colunm what delays or sorrows or whatever good/bad

effects & pls thats what i wanted to study & i had ask?? sorry i forgot to put birthdata so here it is

dob= 19 feb 1965, tob= 15:35 pm, place= jinja (uganda country) ok

thanks

patel

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:34:23 PM Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .

Hare ramakrishna,

dear rashmi patel ji ,

Here i was not declaring sani in 7th house will giv delayed marriage .

(As sani is karaka for delays ,servitude ,sorrow and old age .)

Wat i wanted was a general discussion on sani in various houses can giv .In the chart u given without birth data ( pls make sure that u post data in any discussions ) ,i find sani is 7th Lord .so it can protect its interest in the chart .

So next time when i post some thing ,make sure that i am not giving my opinions or imposing it on anybody .And i am inviting the opinions and exp of learned memebrs and we r reserching what is happening in actual life .

thank u for participating

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

ancient_indian_ astrology, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sunil-ji,> Sorry to tell more detail on her marriage life, but she will finishing 22nd anniversry, happy life,> married to a rich person, had 2 sons, the only bad thing i would see is she is diabetic,high BP, high caloestrol,[ health issue] but very active,strong, take care of health in all good ways, ok let me know if you need more info on her ok thanks> patel> > > ----- Forwarded Message ----> rashmi patel rashmihpatel@ ...> ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:04:49 AM> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .> > > Dear Sunil-ji,> pls look this kundali her marriage happened at 21 yrs old, tell me what we study on her??> leo

lagna, in 2nd colunm virgo=mars,moon, in 4th colunm scorpio=ketu, in 6th colunm,capricon= venus> & in7th colunm aquarius=sun, saturn,mercury so she had in 7th colunm=saturn which should delay marriege but not hers cause she married at 21 yrs age & finally in 9th colunm aries=jupiter, so can see here example of saturn in 7th ok let me know what & why??> thanks> patel> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> ancient_indian_ astrology> Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:29:15 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .> > > hare rama krishna.> dear renu ji .> > Thank u for posting the data .While posting this actualy i hav u in mind as a dependable astro data .Also sreeram ji has good collection .Tho we got many charts time to time

,the lack of feed back and the behavior of ppl as if they know i hav their chart then they will cal me after 4 years and will say u hav my data and i wanted to know this and that ,without even bothering to reply what happened to earlier predictions .> > Yes i always feel that when a planet is exalted in a bhava it will generaly increase the effect of the bhava .That is y i asked other details like look of spouce and quality of life after marriage .> > I came tru a chart with debilated sani in 7th bhava and boy (indian) is 36 and unmarried and now in lov with a veitnam girl and even that relation seems to be on the rocks and he never bothered to giv a feed back as i predicted negetiv .As prashna was also indicating some thing wrong .Now its already one year passed .> > Thank u ones again and also pls look for sani in debilation ,in own house and enemy house charts .> i also request others to contribute

with own reading or feed back .> > > regrds sunil nair .> on shreem maha laxmai namah .> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" renunw@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] > > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be > > considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs here. > > > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > Marriage: 1981 Feb.> > > > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. God > > fearing. > > > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 November].> > > > Married life: A happy, loving couple> > > > Hope this is

helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.> > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair" > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > dear grp ,> > > > > > > > > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and > > pls> > > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and his/her> > > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa > > padas can> > > giv various results depend on the chart .> > >

> > > > > > > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > >> >> > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.> > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________> Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www.. com/r/hs>

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January 19, 2008

Hare ramakrishna

dear rashmi patel ji .

I ran u r data on computer and getting diffrnt lagna .Not getting leo lagna.

so pls clarify ,also see any day lite saving time is applicable for uganda those days .

any way till eve the leo lagna cannot be arrived with that data .

so pls clariy and also with lil more details of the chart .How is husband ,his business and number of kids ( means boy ,girl who is eldest ) and anything u find interesting .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel wrote:>> Dear Sunil-ji,> Yes i know we r just studing sani in differnt colunm what delays or sorrows or whatever good/bad> effects & pls thats what i wanted to study & i had ask?? sorry i forgot to put birthdata so here it is> dob= 19 feb 1965, tob= 15:35 pm, place= jinja (uganda country) ok> thanks> patel> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala > Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:34:23 PM> Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .> > > Hare ramakrishna,> dear rashmi patel ji ,> Here i was not declaring sani in 7th house will giv delayed marriage .> (As sani is karaka for delays ,servitude ,sorrow and old age .)> Wat i wanted was a general discussion on sani in various houses can giv .In the chart u given without birth data ( pls make sure that u post data in any discussions ) ,i find sani is 7th Lord .so it can protect its interest in the chart .> > So next time when i post some thing ,make sure that i am not giving my opinions or imposing it on anybody .And i am inviting the opinions and exp of learned memebrs and we r reserching what is happening in actual life .> > > thank u for participating > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil-ji,> > Sorry to tell more detail on her marriage life, but she will finishing 22nd anniversry, happy life,> > married to a rich person, had 2 sons, the only bad thing i would see is she is diabetic,high BP, high caloestrol,[ health issue] but very active,strong, take care of health in all good ways, ok let me know if you need more info on her ok thanks> > patel> > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----> > rashmi patel rashmihpatel@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:04:49 AM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .> > > > > > Dear Sunil-ji,> > pls look this kundali her marriage happened at 21 yrs old, tell me what we study on her??> > leo lagna, in 2nd colunm virgo=mars,moon, in 4th colunm scorpio=ketu, in 6th colunm,capricon= venus> > & in7th colunm aquarius=sun, saturn,mercury so she had in 7th colunm=saturn which should delay marriege but not hers cause she married at 21 yrs age & finally in 9th colunm aries=jupiter, so can see here example of saturn in 7th ok let me know what & why??> > thanks> > patel> > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:29:15 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .> > > > > > hare rama krishna.> > dear renu ji .> > > > Thank u for posting the data .While posting this actualy i hav u in mind as a dependable astro data .Also sreeram ji has good collection .Tho we got many charts time to time ,the lack of feed back and the behavior of ppl as if they know i hav their chart then they will cal me after 4 years and will say u hav my data and i wanted to know this and that ,without even bothering to reply what happened to earlier predictions .> > > > Yes i always feel that when a planet is exalted in a bhava it will generaly increase the effect of the bhava .That is y i asked other details like look of spouce and quality of life after marriage .> > > > I came tru a chart with debilated sani in 7th bhava and boy (indian) is 36 and unmarried and now in lov with a veitnam girl and even that relation seems to be on the rocks and he never bothered to giv a feed back as i predicted negetiv .As prashna was also indicating some thing wrong .Now its already one year passed .> > > > Thank u ones again and also pls look for sani in debilation ,in own house and enemy house charts .> > i also request others to contribute with own reading or feed back .> > > > > > regrds sunil nair .> > on shreem maha laxmai namah .> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" renunw@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] > > > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be > > > considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs here. > > > > > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > > Marriage: 1981 Feb.> > > > > > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. God > > > fearing. > > > > > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 November].> > > > > > Married life: A happy, loving couple> > > > > > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.> > > > > > blessings> > > > > > Renu> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair" > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > > dear grp ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and > > > pls> > > > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and his/her> > > > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa > > > padas can> > > > giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________> > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > http://www.. com/r/hs> >> > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping>

January 19, 2008

Dear Sunil-ji,

i just confirmed sorry its 18;35 pm, also she had 2 sons (1986 born,)(1991 born)

married in 1986 27th jan, husband has hotels,stores,petrol stations,he is very religious person,rich &

very respected decent family,she had one brother,father-mother in good health now talking wise she

acts more manly, but very good looking,very straight forward,respects her husband,i think just little

scared by husband may be more obedient or loyal,her health she is diebetic,high bp,colestral,but take

cares regularly, works daily at gem centre, walks 3 or 4 miles a day ok this is all i know, thanks

patel

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 10:29:19 PM Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .

Hare ramakrishna

dear rashmi patel ji .

I ran u r data on computer and getting diffrnt lagna .Not getting leo lagna.

so pls clarify ,also see any day lite saving time is applicable for uganda those days .

any way till eve the leo lagna cannot be arrived with that data .

so pls clariy and also with lil more details of the chart .How is husband ,his business and number of kids ( means boy ,girl who is eldest ) and anything u find interesting .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

ancient_indian_ astrology, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sunil-ji,> Yes i know we r just studing sani in differnt colunm what delays or sorrows or whatever good/bad> effects & pls thats what i wanted to study & i had ask?? sorry i forgot to put birthdata so here it is> dob= 19 feb 1965, tob= 15:35 pm, place= jinja (uganda country) ok> thanks> patel> > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:34:23 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .> > > Hare ramakrishna,> dear rashmi patel ji ,> Here i was not declaring sani in 7th house will giv delayed marriage .> (As sani is

karaka for delays ,servitude ,sorrow and old age .)> Wat i wanted was a general discussion on sani in various houses can giv .In the chart u given without birth data ( pls make sure that u post data in any discussions ) ,i find sani is 7th Lord .so it can protect its interest in the chart .> > So next time when i post some thing ,make sure that i am not giving my opinions or imposing it on anybody .And i am inviting the opinions and exp of learned memebrs and we r reserching what is happening in actual life .> > > thank u for participating > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah.> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, rashmi patel <rashmihpatel@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil-ji,> > Sorry to tell more detail on her marriage life, but she will finishing 22nd anniversry, happy life,> >

married to a rich person, had 2 sons, the only bad thing i would see is she is diabetic,high BP, high caloestrol,[ health issue] but very active,strong, take care of health in all good ways, ok let me know if you need more info on her ok thanks> > patel> > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----> > rashmi patel rashmihpatel@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:04:49 AM> > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .> > > > > > Dear Sunil-ji,> > pls look this kundali her marriage happened at 21 yrs old, tell me what we study on her??> > leo lagna, in 2nd colunm virgo=mars,moon, in 4th colunm scorpio=ketu, in 6th colunm,capricon= venus> > & in7th colunm aquarius=sun, saturn,mercury so she had in 7th colunm=saturn

which should delay marriege but not hers cause she married at 21 yrs age & finally in 9th colunm aries=jupiter, so can see here example of saturn in 7th ok let me know what & why??> > thanks> > patel> > > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Thursday, January 17, 2008 11:29:15 PM> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: sani in 7th house and delay of marriage .> > > > > > hare rama krishna.> > dear renu ji .> > > > Thank u for posting the data .While posting this actualy i hav u in mind as a dependable astro data .Also sreeram ji has good collection .Tho we got many charts time to time ,the lack of feed back and the behavior of ppl as if they know i hav their chart then they will cal me after 4

years and will say u hav my data and i wanted to know this and that ,without even bothering to reply what happened to earlier predictions .> > > > Yes i always feel that when a planet is exalted in a bhava it will generaly increase the effect of the bhava .That is y i asked other details like look of spouce and quality of life after marriage .> > > > I came tru a chart with debilated sani in 7th bhava and boy (indian) is 36 and unmarried and now in lov with a veitnam girl and even that relation seems to be on the rocks and he never bothered to giv a feed back as i predicted negetiv .As prashna was also indicating some thing wrong .Now its already one year passed .> > > > Thank u ones again and also pls look for sani in debilation ,in own house and enemy house charts .> > i also request others to contribute with own reading or feed back .> > > > > > regrds

sunil nair .> > on shreem maha laxmai namah .> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" renunw@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil ji,> > > > > > The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] > > > Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be > > > considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs here. > > > > > > April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka> > > > > > Marriage: 1981 Feb.> > > > > > Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. God > > > fearing. > > > > > > Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 November].> > > > > > Married life: A happy, loving

couple> > > > > > Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H.> > > > > > blessings> > > > > > Renu> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair" > > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > > > > > dear grp ,> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do u hav charts with sani in 7th house of married couples and > > > pls> > > > tell me abt the quality of married life ,age of partner and his/her> > > > looks .and also whether such marriage is delayed .> > > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > Yes sani in various house and its dignity and various navamsa > > > padas can> > > > giv various results depend on the chart .> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But let us together probe into it> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search.> > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________> > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. >

> http://www.. com/r/hs> >> > > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________> Looking for last minute shopping deals? > Find them fast with Search. http://tools. search.. com/newsearch/ category. php?category= shopping>

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January 19, 2008

Dear Chandrashekarji,Looks like any planet when exalted or in own house gives good results irrespective of house ownership and nature (benefic/malefic).So whether a planet does good or bad depends on its strength - An exalted Saturn would definitely give better results than a debilitated Jupiter/MarsRegardskiranChandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote: Dear Kiran, As you have said the classics give indications of grahas in houses and Saravali , perhaps does say what you quote. However one has to read

it with Shloka 2 Adhyaaya 4 where it says that Shani gives sorrow only if weak and when strong it gives contrary (good) results. Tatwapradeep says what I indicated and this exception has also to be applied to what is stated by Saravali, perhaps? Chandrashekhar. Kiran R wrote: Dear Chandrashekarji, I am collating some shlokas from classics that tell about Saturn in 7th house. Of course, there will be exceptions and we can learn from you and other learned members like Sreenadhji, Sunilji, Sreeramji etc. This is what Saravali of Kalyana Varma says: "If Saturn is posited in the 7th, the native will always be subjected to ill health, will lose his wife, be bereft of wealth, will present himself ugly, be sinful and will do very mean acts" Regards Kiran Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar > wrote: Dear Hasmukhrai, You are right. Saturn will not harm the house occupied even when it may not protect it, where as Jupiter is said to harm the house occupied. Again it is the weak Saturn which harms more than the strong Saturn. Chandrashekhar. Hasmukhrai Mehta wrote: I have learnt that placement of Saturn is not harmful; its aspects are. Hasmukhrai J Mehta. renunw <renunw (AT) (DOT) co.uk> wrote: Dear Sunil ji, The following is the chart of a native [male] with exalted [R] Saturn in 7H and got married at the age of 26, which may not be considered as a late marriage according to traditions, customs here. April 1, 1954 @ 8.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka Marriage: 1981 Feb. Wife: born in 1959. Tall, fair and pretty. Simply a good person. God fearing. Kids: Got 2 lovely kids, daughter [1982 July] & son [1984 November]. Married life: A happy, loving couple Hope this is helpful for your research on marriage + Shani in 7H. blessings Renu , "sunil nair"

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