Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!

January 8, 2008

Hello Mehta Ji, Thanks! Simply by placement of Ma in 9th, I can't say conditions for second mariage but it is sure that 9th may be considered for third marriage. Why ? Because 2nd house is for second marriage then 3rd becomes its condition for break in second marriage and then 7th from 3rd, we arrive at 9th house. So 9th becomes for third marriage . Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishrachiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote: Hey! do not want to add to confusion. But Mars in the 9th house is also supposed to create conditions for 2nd marriage.--- On Tue, 8/1/08, ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote: ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 (AT) (DOT) co.in> RE: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!! Date: Tuesday, 8 January, 2008, 3:48 PM Dear Ash and Sreenadh, Sorry to intrtvene here. Both of you are correct your own way. But the problem is, mixing two different system. In VA for second marriage second house is considered if I am not wrong. 8th house is for break in first marriage and 7th from 8th is second that is why 2nd house is

for second marriage. But chart must indicate multiple marriages. For that we have to see the status of Ve. Its relationship with Ma. Sa and Ra. The placemeent of Ve in dual signs. Thanks and regards. Ramesh Mishra"Ash's Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca" <kas wrote: Dear Sreenadh, I do not think we are on the same wavelength here. Ve exalts in Pisces the 12th

house and in upachaya from 7th house. That is 11th from Taurus. That is correct. But for a person to have extra marital relationship he must have some yogs indicating that, his personality and character must be such. There must be problems or some such things indicating. Here 2nd house means karak for marriage is what I am seeing period. If

2nd house is spoilt or Venus is spoilt then the results of 7th house are spoilt, so it means there might be multiple marriages or no marriage or some such thing means disturbed 7th house. However for a person to break the marital bond and go outside the boundaries and have extra marital relation must be indicated by the nature of the person, status of venus etc etc i.e. in short more yogs. 2nd house as per your mail, you wrote that it denotes own home??? I am not clear with that either. House and fixed assets are 4th house. 2nd house is kutumb or family and wealth i.e. bonds, stocks gold as per todays day and age and back in old days, also knowledge i.e. Karak is Jupiter lord of 9th house in Kalpurush chart and your Guru and father too. How are u linking home to 2nd house or let me put it in other way, I have not understood in what context have u linked Home to 2nd house? 2nd house is 10th from 5th so primary upachaya. So in dasha of 2nd or 10th lord that might trigger 5th house. Now that only need not be romance, it can be a person might get his or her degree in education or might gain in speculation, or might win a lottery. For a person to have romantic relation, he or she must

have some particular nature or yogs like say Mars and Venus with Sa or say Ma and Ve in 1 house aspected by Saturn, so that can make a person more passionate (personality) and then in such case, if antra of 2nd lord runs or 10th lord then more chances of something that might happen that he or she might meet someone in that antra. Again then, if Ju aspects then it might not let it go out of hand etc etc etc like other influence of planets modifying the overall nature of the person. In all cases if 2nd lord is in 2nd house then all such persons will have multiple marriages etc might not hold true in all charts. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca ancient_indian_ astrology [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of SreenadhTuesday January 8, 2008 3:52 AMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!! Dear Ash, The 2nd and 3rd marriage/'strong extra marital relation' mentioned here is not mainly related to 5th (platonic love) or 12th (bed pleasures); But rather related to the house indicating 2nd marriages or relations within the relationships such as 2nd and 11th houses. Note that 2nd house indicates own home, homely relations; and Venus is the lord of 2nd house and 7th house in NH; and also that the same Venus gets exalted in 11th (a house signifying 2nd marriage) from Taurus. As per NHT2, note that Jupiter is the significator of 2nd house and that Jupiter in Taurus (2nd lord in any house is equivalent to Jupiter in that house) means, 11th lord from Taurus in Taurus. Also note that if we use

NHT2, 2nd lord in 2nd is equivalent to Mercury in Taurus for Taurus lagna - Mercury is debilitated in 11th and owns 2nd house from Tarus - indicting relation with both 2nd and 11th house (both house signifying 2nd wife/relation) . Note that 11th indicates friendship turned into relation. Thus in essence, the 2nd and 3rd relation mentioned here could be - * Actual marriages that took place (provided enough indication of break of first marriage is present in horoscope) * Friendship turned into strong extra marital relation. * A relationship mainly caused by the environment/ chance with in the family relatives/relations This is my opinion - any how I am of the opinion that "if 2nd lord is in 2nd house - even though the native may have a clean image and he would be good at heart, for sure he will have extra marital affairs; almost strong as a marriage". It is not that the native is immoral,

non-sincere, does not loves his wife or something like that; it is just that for fulfillment (complimenting) he needs some extra relations - and have it, solid. If even by a slight chance if his marriage is affected, the very next day you will find him settled in the next relation (married!) again enjoying life. May be some more examples and actual experiences may confirm or negate this derivation. Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology , "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh,> > > > I read your reply and am not able to understand what u mean by 2 or 3 wives?> Do u mean in the literal sense, i.e. w.r.t 7th house so partner in property> or do mean affairs i.e. 5th house matter platonic or 12th house matters> which involves pleasures?> > > > If a person say in

India as 2 or 3 wives, then that might be a bigamous> marriage which might be punishable by law. Or do u mean that he or she> might have a marriage then divorce and then marry 2nd time and divorce and> marry 3rd time like that?> > > > Yes, one more thing about 2nd lord is that in antra of 2nd lord a person> worries, so at that time, a male might generate more Y chromosomes so that> might be a factor in having more female children.> > > > In KAS, if 3:6:10:11 points are in rising trend in Male chart, then mostly> the 1st child is female. This is due to the logic that such persons are> very enterprising, just see the chart that Renu gave of CEO where I said> that native might be in business but he was CEO, I wrote a mail I think in> response to that as well, so if the person is taking on large ventures to> establish business or if he is rising to much

power and conception happens> then there are MORE chances of having a female child.> > > > Maybe that is why or some base of it might be there in this 2nd lord in> lagna logic as well?> > > > Cheers !!!> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca> http://www.ashtro. ca> > _____ > > ancient_indian_ astrology> [ ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Sreenadh> Tuesday January 8, 2008 12:56 AM> ancient_indian_ astrology> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!> > > > Dear Vinita ji,> That was a good attempt. As for NHT2, assume Taurus as lagna and that> 2nd lord from Taurus (i.e. Mercury) is in Taurus. Note that Venus gets> debilitated in 5th Virgo, and also that mercury is a

female eunuch. > But in face of the lawyers horoscope presented by Krishna ji and the mail> of Gopu ji, I should clarify the reading as per the Rishi horas. We need to> verify this reading, and I will stand by in support of the sage quotes, and> let us see what the reality and facts has to reveal. > > "If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be egotic. He may have 2 or> 3 wives (affairs or near marriage relations also will do), but won't have> any children (especially son). He would be wealthy, will indulge in> righteous deeds. He will enjoy much worldly pleasures. He will have much> income/earnings/ gain/profit, but would be stingy. He will always try to> increase his earnings, and would be after accumulating more and more money.> He would be a very able individual (in work, earnings, speech etc)."> The Dasa of the 2nd lord would be very prosperous. The

tight-fistedness> of the native comes from his intention to avoid wasteful expenses; it is not> that he will not spend enough money for useful things. For useful and right> things he will spend money without any stinginess. The multiple> relationships of the native spring not from his immoral attitude, but rather> from his sincerity. He is sincere to himself and to the people he comes in> contact with. If he happens to make relationships with women, due to the too> much sincerity, the chance for it to turn into a strong relation (strong as> marriage) is very big. This is what prompts the sage to mention - multiple> wives for the native. > Let us to what extend these clear derivations actualized in real> horoscopes or not. I request the readers with the same combination to share> their experience; and their response/coment about the above reading.> Love and regards,>

Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology , "vinita kumar"> shankar_mamta@ wrote:> >> > Dear Shreenadh ji,> > > > ok here is my take on this ...not that it will necessarily be close > > to the right answer , but then u can once again appreciate the > > effort > > > > Why should such a person have no son?> > > > 2nd lord in 2nd...in the natural zodiac this is Venus in Taurus. > > Venus is a female planet which gets strengthened in its feminine > > characteristics being in its own sign. Taurus is an even sign also > > equal to female??? dunno!> > > > i dont know if this application is correct, but assuming 2nd house > > to be first...the fifth house is Virgo, another female sign.> > > > Now for the 2nd question which is tougher....this person may have

2-> > 3 wives....why and how?> > > > 7th house is the significator of marriage.... first marriage or all > > marriages? > > > > i dunno what is the significator of 2nd marriage, but i have heard > > or read somewhere that 2nd to 7th, ie., 8th H is the significator of > > 2nd marriage, 9th the significator of 3rd marriage and so on...Of > > course, i don't know the basis of such pronouncements.> > > > Going by the bhavat bhavam principle 8th from 8thH is 3rdH just as > > 3rdH is also 2nd from 2nd.> > > > 2nd from 2nd (Taurus) is Gemini, a dual sign and also a sign of > > copulation.. ..so maybe more than one marriage.> > > > Venus from Taurus aspects Mars ruled Scorpio...Scorpio is the hidden > > 8th house also related to sex....but then i don't know how this fits > > in with formal 2nd

or 3rd marriage. Of course, if such marriages are > > not in the open and hidden, there would be some connection there.> > > > i am afraid this is the best i could do. i have not used the nh2 > > principle successfully because it is yet to sink in in terms of > > application.> > > > warm regards,> > vinita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology , Krishnamurthy > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > Let me try -> > > > > > If 2nd lord is in 2nd, he would influence the 8th. 8th being 2nd > > from 7th influences the longevity of the spouse. Hence, might be > > logical to say that the native would have more than one wife.> > > >

> > Secondly, going by the logic of Kaalapursusha chart, it would be > > Venus in Taurus for Aries lagna. This also means the 7th lord in the > > second. The 7th lord being a maraka sitting in the house of family > > is not good.> > > > > > But, I can't figure out why NO son.> > > > > > All the above is theory. Let me quote a practical case. The > > chart that I have already shared (that of a lawyer), he has 2nd lord > > Mercury in the 2nd houuse Virgo. He has a Son - the only child.> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > Dear All,> > > Sage Parasara and Lomasa tells us that if 2nd lord in 2nd -> > > * The native may have 2 or 3 wives.> > > * He will have NO son!! > > > We all know expect a very good

reading speaking out very good > > results such as "good family, wealth, house, beautiful face, > > earnings" etc only for such a placement. What prompted these grate > > sages to make a very strong derivation such as - "He will have no > > son"?!! The quiz question is -> > > * What is the logic behind? > > > And the verification question is - Is that result derivations > > true in actual experience? > > > Note: I hope that after the previous quiz on 2nd house every > > body would be much interested in applying the learned principles > > here. ;=)> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > >

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Dear Remesh ji,==>> Both of you are correct your own way.> But the problem is, mixing two different system.<== You are absolutely right. This is what I tried to explain in my previous post - the methodologies/systems differ - i.e. ancient Indian astrology (let us denote it as AIA) and KAS. But as far us the case (statement of Parasara and Lomasa regarding 2nd lord 2nd house) is concerned the systems/methodologies are irrelevant - what we are (and should be) interested in is verifying whether the said result is true in known horoscopes or not. I also agree that - multiple factors should indicate the same to state such a result with confidence. But the point I wanted to emphasis (supporting the statement of the sages) was that â€" for sure it shows a trend in that direction, i.e. in the direction of fructification of multiple marriages; in the absence of other supporting yogas/combinations, it is NOT necessary that just because of this combination the said result should fructify; but this shouldn't hold us back from giving proper waitage to the statemnt of those sages. Love and regards,Sreenadh , ramesh mishra <aarceemastro2002 wrote:>> Dear Ash and Sreenadh,> Sorry to intrtvene here. Both of you are correct your own way.> But the problem is, mixing two different system.> In VA for second marriage second house is considered if I am not wrong.> 8th house is for break in first marriage and 7th from 8th is second that is why 2nd house is for second marriage.> But chart must indicate multiple marriages.> For that we have to see the status of Ve. Its relationship with Ma. Sa and Ra.> The placemeent of Ve in dual signs.> Thanks and regards.> Ramesh Mishra> > "Ash's Corner" kas wrote:> Dear Sreenadh,> > I do not think we are on the same wavelength here. Ve exalts in Pisces the 12th house and in upachaya from 7th house. That is 11th from Taurus. That is correct. > > But for a person to have extra marital relationship he must have some yogs indicating that, his personality and character must be such. There must be problems or some such things indicating. > > Here 2nd house means karak for marriage is what I am seeing period. If 2nd house is spoilt or Venus is spoilt then the results of 7th house are spoilt, so it means there might be multiple marriages or no marriage or some such thing means disturbed 7th house.> > However for a person to break the marital bond and go outside the boundaries and have extra marital relation must be indicated by the nature of the person, status of venus etc etc i.e. in short more yogs.> > 2nd house as per your mail, you wrote that it denotes own home??? I am not clear with that either. House and fixed assets are 4th house. 2nd house is kutumb or family and wealth i.e. bonds, stocks gold as per todays day and age and back in old days, also knowledge i.e. Karak is Jupiter lord of 9th house in Kalpurush chart and your Guru and father too. > > How are u linking home to 2nd house or let me put it in other way, I have not understood in what context have u linked Home to 2nd house?> > > 2nd house is 10th from 5th so primary upachaya. So in dasha of 2nd or 10th lord that might trigger 5th house. Now that only need not be romance, it can be a person might get his or her degree in education or might gain in speculation, or might win a lottery.> > For a person to have romantic relation, he or she must have some particular nature or yogs like say Mars and Venus with Sa or say Ma and Ve in 1 house aspected by Saturn, so that can make a person more passionate (personality) and then in such case, if antra of 2nd lord runs or 10th lord then more chances of something that might happen that he or she might meet someone in that antra. Again then, if Ju aspects then it might not let it go out of hand etc etc etc like other influence of planets modifying the overall nature of the person.> > In all cases if 2nd lord is in 2nd house then all such persons will have multiple marriages etc might not hold true in all charts. > > > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh> Tuesday January 8, 2008 3:52 AM> > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!> > > Dear Ash,> The 2nd and 3rd marriage/'strong extra marital relation' mentioned here is not mainly related to 5th (platonic love) or 12th (bed pleasures); But rather related to the house indicating 2nd marriages or relations within the relationships such as 2nd and 11th houses. > Note that 2nd house indicates own home, homely relations; and Venus is the lord of 2nd house and 7th house in NH; and also that the same Venus gets exalted in 11th (a house signifying 2nd marriage) from Taurus. As per NHT2, note that Jupiter is the significator of 2nd house and that Jupiter in Taurus (2nd lord in any house is equivalent to Jupiter in that house) means, 11th lord from Taurus in Taurus. Also note that if we use NHT2, 2nd lord in 2nd is equivalent to Mercury in Taurus for Taurus lagna - Mercury is debilitated in 11th and owns 2nd house from Tarus - indicting relation with both 2nd and 11th house (both house signifying 2nd wife/relation). Note that 11th indicates friendship turned into relation.> > Thus in essence, the 2nd and 3rd relation mentioned here could be -> * Actual marriages that took place (provided enough indication of break of first marriage is present in horoscope)> * Friendship turned into strong extra marital relation.> * A relationship mainly caused by the environment/chance with in the family relatives/relations> > This is my opinion - any how I am of the opinion that "if 2nd lord is in 2nd house - even though the native may have a clean image and he would be good at heart, for sure he will have extra marital affairs; almost strong as a marriage". It is not that the native is immoral, non-sincere, does not loves his wife or something like that; it is just that for fulfillment (complimenting) he needs some extra relations - and have it, solid. If even by a slight chance if his marriage is affected, the very next day you will find him settled in the next relation (married!) again enjoying life. May be some more examples and actual experiences may confirm or negate this derivation. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "Ash's Corner@" kas@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > I read your reply and am not able to understand what u mean by 2 or 3 wives?> > Do u mean in the literal sense, i.e. w.r.t 7th house so partner in property> > or do mean affairs i.e. 5th house matter platonic or 12th house matters> > which involves pleasures?> > > > > > > > If a person say in India as 2 or 3 wives, then that might be a bigamous> > marriage which might be punishable by law. Or do u mean that he or she> > might have a marriage then divorce and then marry 2nd time and divorce and> > marry 3rd time like that?> > > > > > > > Yes, one more thing about 2nd lord is that in antra of 2nd lord a person> > worries, so at that time, a male might generate more Y chromosomes so that> > might be a factor in having more female children.> > > > > > > > In KAS, if 3:6:10:11 points are in rising trend in Male chart, then mostly> > the 1st child is female. This is due to the logic that such persons are> > very enterprising, just see the chart that Renu gave of CEO where I said> > that native might be in business but he was CEO, I wrote a mail I think in> > response to that as well, so if the person is taking on large ventures to> > establish business or if he is rising to much power and conception happens> > then there are MORE chances of having a female child.> > > > > > > > Maybe that is why or some base of it might be there in this 2nd lord in> > lagna logic as well?> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca> > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of Sreenadh> > Tuesday January 8, 2008 12:56 AM> > > > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!> > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji,> > That was a good attempt. As for NHT2, assume Taurus as lagna and that> > 2nd lord from Taurus (i.e. Mercury) is in Taurus. Note that Venus gets> > debilitated in 5th Virgo, and also that mercury is a female eunuch. > > But in face of the lawyers horoscope presented by Krishna ji and the mail> > of Gopu ji, I should clarify the reading as per the Rishi horas. We need to> > verify this reading, and I will stand by in support of the sage quotes, and> > let us see what the reality and facts has to reveal. > > > > "If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be egotic. He may have 2 or> > 3 wives (affairs or near marriage relations also will do), but won't have> > any children (especially son). He would be wealthy, will indulge in> > righteous deeds. He will enjoy much worldly pleasures. He will have much> > income/earnings/gain/profit, but would be stingy. He will always try to> > increase his earnings, and would be after accumulating more and more money.> > He would be a very able individual (in work, earnings, speech etc)."> > The Dasa of the 2nd lord would be very prosperous. The tight-fistedness> > of the native comes from his intention to avoid wasteful expenses; it is not> > that he will not spend enough money for useful things. For useful and right> > things he will spend money without any stinginess. The multiple> > relationships of the native spring not from his immoral attitude, but rather> > from his sincerity. He is sincere to himself and to the people he comes in> > contact with. If he happens to make relationships with women, due to the too> > much sincerity, the chance for it to turn into a strong relation (strong as> > marriage) is very big. This is what prompts the sage to mention - multiple> > wives for the native. > > Let us to what extend these clear derivations actualized in real> > horoscopes or not. I request the readers with the same combination to share> > their experience; and their response/coment about the above reading.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "vinita kumar"> > shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shreenadh ji,> > > > > > ok here is my take on this ...not that it will necessarily be close > > > to the right answer , but then u can once again appreciate the > > > effort > > > > > > Why should such a person have no son?> > > > > > 2nd lord in 2nd...in the natural zodiac this is Venus in Taurus. > > > Venus is a female planet which gets strengthened in its feminine > > > characteristics being in its own sign. Taurus is an even sign also > > > equal to female??? dunno!> > > > > > i dont know if this application is correct, but assuming 2nd house > > > to be first...the fifth house is Virgo, another female sign.> > > > > > Now for the 2nd question which is tougher....this person may have 2-> > > 3 wives....why and how?> > > > > > 7th house is the significator of marriage....first marriage or all > > > marriages? > > > > > > i dunno what is the significator of 2nd marriage, but i have heard > > > or read somewhere that 2nd to 7th, ie., 8th H is the significator of > > > 2nd marriage, 9th the significator of 3rd marriage and so on...Of > > > course, i don't know the basis of such pronouncements.> > > > > > Going by the bhavat bhavam principle 8th from 8thH is 3rdH just as > > > 3rdH is also 2nd from 2nd.> > > > > > 2nd from 2nd (Taurus) is Gemini, a dual sign and also a sign of > > > copulation....so maybe more than one marriage.> > > > > > Venus from Taurus aspects Mars ruled Scorpio...Scorpio is the hidden > > > 8th house also related to sex....but then i don't know how this fits > > > in with formal 2nd or 3rd marriage. Of course, if such marriages are > > > not in the open and hidden, there would be some connection there.> > > > > > i am afraid this is the best i could do. i have not used the nh2 > > > principle successfully because it is yet to sink in in terms of > > > application.> > > > > > warm regards,> > > vinita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Krishnamurthy > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > Let me try -> > > > > > > > If 2nd lord is in 2nd, he would influence the 8th. 8th being 2nd > > > from 7th influences the longevity of the spouse. Hence, might be > > > logical to say that the native would have more than one wife.> > > > > > > > Secondly, going by the logic of Kaalapursusha chart, it would be > > > Venus in Taurus for Aries lagna. This also means the 7th lord in the > > > second. The 7th lord being a maraka sitting in the house of family > > > is not good.> > > > > > > > But, I can't figure out why NO son.> > > > > > > > All the above is theory. Let me quote a practical case. The > > > chart that I have already shared (that of a lawyer), he has 2nd lord > > > Mercury in the 2nd houuse Virgo. He has a Son - the only child.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > Sage Parasara and Lomasa tells us that if 2nd lord in 2nd -> > > > * The native may have 2 or 3 wives.> > > > * He will have NO son!! > > > > We all know expect a very good reading speaking out very good > > > results such as "good family, wealth, house, beautiful face, > > > earnings" etc only for such a placement. What prompted these grate > > > sages to make a very strong derivation such as - "He will have no > > > son"?!! The quiz question is -> > > > * What is the logic behind? > > > > And the verification question is - Is that result derivations > > > true in actual experience? > > > > Note: I hope that after the previous quiz on 2nd house every > > > body would be much interested in applying the learned principles > > > here. ;=)> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with > > > Search.> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how.>

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dear sreenadh and other members,

My 2nd lord dasa ie guru dasa was better than the

previous rahu dasa. guru dasa could make me meet ends

of offering good education to my children and also

building a house. the dasa period was between 1985 to

2001. reg spending money i use to think twice before

spending it because money was scarce during that

period. I was very selective in maintaining continous

relationship either with friends or relatives. But it

was quite stable. other than that i was sincere to my

wife and to my family. so there were no chances of 2

wives.

regards,

k.gopu

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Dear Sreenadh-ji, jai ganesh Namaste-ji

i was reading this 2nd house in 2nd gives another extra marital, well i have same in my kundali,

i am married since 22 yrs had 2 sons happy family i am in usa for 20 yrs,now if you tell this kind yoga can also get very good honest friend like a brother then yes i definatly agree with you,

When i was in india i had friend in my home village[small] a very poor family but extremly good hearted, honest,

emotional & i helped him as my own brother. we was making 700 rps @ month he was married had 2 children, wife & a responsibility of whole house with parents.

I sponcered him & he setteled here with me with his family,he is helping me in my hotel business,the good thing is you can ask any one in usa

You might not even heard that two friends with there own family meaning 2+2=4 & 2+2=4 total=8

living in one house for last 20 yrs happly not even any arguments between ladies or childrens,he is just

like my own brother,so true honest friend, yes mine will be example i agree but trust no extra marital.

My kundali is as follow i had ARIES LAGNA & IN ARIES= SUN,MERCURY,KETU,

TAURAS= VENUS [OWN RASHI]

GEMINI=MERCURY

LEO=JUPITER

LIBRA=MOON,RAHU

SCORPIO=SATURN

so is this kundali fit in your any of further studies let me know but pls reply me ok thanks

rashmikant

Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2008 5:28:06 AM Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!

Dear Ash, Actually there are numerous houses that can signify friends - 4th, 11th, 3rd, 8th, 7th and so on. If you look care fully you will see that all the 12 houses can signify friends. Similar to the fact that all the 12 houses can signify love. Have a look at this message: http://groups. / group/ancient_ indian_astrology /message/ 6128 The methodologies uses to find significators etc may vary from system to system - here from ancient indian astrology to KAS. But what we all are interested in is just to know - whether the said results are true in available

horoscopes or not. Methods are immaterial but the results are not. Every method/approach will have its own pet theories (which none else may accept), but what ever be the theory - if some thing helps to reveal the true result that is welcome. What we are doing here is NOT discussing the various methodologies and their approach, but instead verifying whether a result provided by Parasara and Lomasa is true or not. Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:>

RE: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!

Dear Sreenadh,

For friends u can also take 3rd house as well, i.e. Sahudhar or like brothers for that Karak is 10th house.

For friend though legal means i.e. karak is 6th house so for example Marriage is 7th house, 2nd house is Karak and 11th house is friend but as a result of legal i.e. karak is 6th.

Then 7th becomes karak for 12th house so a person get enjoyment with wife, then 12th becomes karak for 5th so childbirth. Somewhere it is given in some text that marriage is when there is intension to grow family and have child, so here is the logic or let me put it this way that what I am saying is ONE of the way to view things and I am sure every system must have their own approach.

Then when one gets a child then that becomes karak for authority, i.e. 12th house is karak for 5th means mating (12th) is karak for childbirth (5th), once u get a child (5th) that becomes karak for authority (10th), gives u a promotion to Dad, once u get authority then that becomes karak for your Parakram means u will now work harder to support your child and family, i.e. 3rd house, and 3rd becomes karak for 8th house J ending the circle of life

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro. ca

ancient_indian_ astrology [ ancient_indian_ astrology ] On Behalf Of SreenadhTuesday January 8, 2008 3:52 AMancient_indian_ astrology[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!

Dear Ash, The 2nd and 3rd marriage/'strong extra marital relation' mentioned here is not mainly related to 5th (platonic love) or 12th (bed pleasures); But rather related to the house indicating 2nd marriages or relations within the relationships such as 2nd and 11th houses. Note that 2nd house indicates own home, homely relations; and Venus is the lord of 2nd house and 7th house in NH; and also that the same Venus gets exalted in 11th (a house signifying 2nd marriage) from Taurus. As per NHT2, note that Jupiter is the significator of 2nd house and that Jupiter in Taurus (2nd lord in any house is equivalent to Jupiter in that house) means, 11th lord from Taurus in Taurus. Also note that if we use NHT2, 2nd lord in 2nd is equivalent to Mercury in Taurus for Taurus lagna

- Mercury is debilitated in 11th and owns 2nd house from Tarus - indicting relation with both 2nd and 11th house (both house signifying 2nd wife/relation) . Note that 11th indicates friendship turned into relation. Thus in essence, the 2nd and 3rd relation mentioned here could be - * Actual marriages that took place (provided enough indication of break of first marriage is present in horoscope) * Friendship turned into strong extra marital relation. * A relationship mainly caused by the environment/ chance with in the family relatives/relations This is my opinion - any how I am of the opinion that "if 2nd lord is in 2nd house - even though the native may have a clean image and he would be good at heart, for sure he will have extra marital affairs; almost strong as a marriage". It is not that the native is immoral, non-sincere, does not loves his wife or something like that; it

is just that for fulfillment (complimenting) he needs some extra relations - and have it, solid. If even by a slight chance if his marriage is affected, the very next day you will find him settled in the next relation (married!) again enjoying life. May be some more examples and actual experiences may confirm or negate this derivation. Love and regards,Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Ash's Corner@"> kas@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > I read your reply and am not able to understand what u mean by 2 or 3> wives?> > Do u mean in the literal sense, i.e. w.r.t 7th house so partner in> property> > or do mean affairs i.e. 5th house matter platonic or 12th house matters> > which involves pleasures?> > > > >

> > > If a person say in India as 2 or 3 wives, then that might be a bigamous> > marriage which might be punishable by law. Or do u mean that he or she> > might have a marriage then divorce and then marry 2nd time and divorce and> > marry 3rd time like that?> > > > > > > > Yes, one more thing about 2nd lord is that in antra of 2nd lord a person> > worries, so at that time, a male might generate more Y chromosomes so that> > might be a factor in having more female children.> > > > > > > > In KAS, if 3:6:10:11 points are in rising trend in Male chart, then mostly> > the 1st child is female. This is due to the logic that such persons are> > very enterprising, just see the chart that Renu gave of CEO where I said> > that native might be in business but he was CEO, I wrote a mail I think

in> > response to that as well, so if the person is taking on large ventures to> > establish business or if he is rising to much power and conception happens> > then there are MORE chances of having a female child.> > > > > > > > Maybe that is why or some base of it might be there in this 2nd lord in> > lagna logic as well?> > > > > > > > Cheers !!!> > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. ca> http://www.ashtro. ca> > > > _____ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > [ancient_ indian_astrology ] On Behalf Of Sreenadh> > Tuesday January 8, 2008 12:56 AM> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it

true?!!!> > > > > > > > Dear Vinita ji,> > That was a good attempt. As for NHT2, assume Taurus as lagna and that> > 2nd lord from Taurus (i.e. Mercury) is in Taurus. Note that Venus gets> > debilitated in 5th Virgo, and also that mercury is a female eunuch. > > But in face of the lawyers horoscope presented by Krishna ji and the mail> > of Gopu ji, I should clarify the reading as per the Rishi horas. We need> to> > verify this reading, and I will stand by in support of the sage quotes,> and> > let us see what the reality and facts has to reveal. > > > > "If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be egotic. He may have 2 or> > 3 wives (affairs or near marriage relations also will do), but won't have> > any children (especially son). He would be wealthy, will indulge in> >

righteous deeds. He will enjoy much worldly pleasures. He will have much> > income/earnings/ gain/profit, but would be stingy. He will always try to> > increase his earnings, and would be after accumulating more and more> money.> > He would be a very able individual (in work, earnings, speech etc)."> > The Dasa of the 2nd lord would be very prosperous. The tight-fistedness> > of the native comes from his intention to avoid wasteful expenses; it is> not> > that he will not spend enough money for useful things. For useful and> right> > things he will spend money without any stinginess. The multiple> > relationships of the native spring not from his immoral attitude, but> rather> > from his sincerity. He is sincere to himself and to the people he comes in> > contact with. If he happens to make relationships with women, due to

the> too> > much sincerity, the chance for it to turn into a strong relation (strong> as> > marriage) is very big. This is what prompts the sage to mention - multiple> > wives for the native. > > Let us to what extend these clear derivations actualized in real> > horoscopes or not. I request the readers with the same combination to> share> > their experience; and their response/coment about the above reading.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vinita kumar"> > shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shreenadh ji,> > > > > > ok here is my take on this ...not that it will necessarily be close > > > to the right answer , but then u can once again appreciate the > > > effort > > >

> > > Why should such a person have no son?> > > > > > 2nd lord in 2nd...in the natural zodiac this is Venus in Taurus. > > > Venus is a female planet which gets strengthened in its feminine > > > characteristics being in its own sign. Taurus is an even sign also > > > equal to female??? dunno!> > > > > > i dont know if this application is correct, but assuming 2nd house > > > to be first...the fifth house is Virgo, another female sign.> > > > > > Now for the 2nd question which is tougher....this person may have 2-> > > 3 wives....why and how?> > > > > > 7th house is the significator of marriage.... first marriage or all > > > marriages? > > > > > > i dunno what is the significator of 2nd marriage, but i have heard > > > or

read somewhere that 2nd to 7th, ie., 8th H is the significator of > > > 2nd marriage, 9th the significator of 3rd marriage and so on...Of > > > course, i don't know the basis of such pronouncements.> > > > > > Going by the bhavat bhavam principle 8th from 8thH is 3rdH just as > > > 3rdH is also 2nd from 2nd.> > > > > > 2nd from 2nd (Taurus) is Gemini, a dual sign and also a sign of > > > copulation.. ..so maybe more than one marriage.> > > > > > Venus from Taurus aspects Mars ruled Scorpio...Scorpio is the hidden > > > 8th house also related to sex....but then i don't know how this fits > > > in with formal 2nd or 3rd marriage. Of course, if such marriages are > > > not in the open and hidden, there would be some connection there.> > > > > > i am afraid this is

the best i could do. i have not used the nh2 > > > principle successfully because it is yet to sink in in terms of > > > application.> > > > > > warm regards,> > > vinita> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Krishnamurthy > > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > Let me try -> > > > > > > > If 2nd lord is in 2nd, he would influence the 8th. 8th being 2nd > > > from 7th influences the longevity of the spouse. Hence, might be > > > logical to say that the native would have more than one wife.> > > > > > > > Secondly, going by the logic of

Kaalapursusha chart, it would be > > > Venus in Taurus for Aries lagna. This also means the 7th lord in the > > > second. The 7th lord being a maraka sitting in the house of family > > > is not good.> > > > > > > > But, I can't figure out why NO son.> > > > > > > > All the above is theory. Let me quote a practical case. The > > > chart that I have already shared (that of a lawyer), he has 2nd lord > > > Mercury in the 2nd houuse Virgo. He has a Son - the only child.> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > Sage Parasara and Lomasa tells us that if 2nd lord in 2nd -> > > > * The native may have 2 or 3 wives.> > > > * He will

have NO son!! > > > > We all know expect a very good reading speaking out very good > > > results such as "good family, wealth, house, beautiful face, > > > earnings" etc only for such a placement. What prompted these grate > > > sages to make a very strong derivation such as - "He will have no > > > son"?!! The quiz question is -> > > > * What is the logic behind? > > > > And the verification question is - Is that result derivations > > > true in actual experience? > > > > Note: I hope that after the previous quiz on 2nd house every > > > body would be much interested in applying the learned principles > > > here. ;=)> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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January 8, 2008

Dear Shreenadh,

i have this placement and will try to respond to each of the points u have raised.

"If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be egotic".

there is a possibility that i may be egoistic ...but then i am not sure...some say i am self effacing!

He may have 2> or 3 wives (affairs or near marriage relations also will do),

though there would be a tendency not to speak the entire truth on a public forum about this permit me to be egoistic and say that i have been physically chaste in marriage because of some quaint notion of fidelity.

but if i have to be entirely truthful i have to admit to one strong attraction outside marriage....which was totally on a mental plane.

but won't> have any children (especially son).

this is absolutely true. i have a daughter but no son.

He would be wealthy, will indulge in> righteous deeds. He will enjoy much worldly pleasures. He will have much> income/earnings/gain/profit, but would be stingy.

i may not be wealthy by today's standards...but by god's grace we do have a fairly comfortable means of living. As for being stingy...my husband used to tell me that i am very extravagent ....so maybe now i spend less.... and have become somewhat stingy.

He will always try to> increase his earnings, and would be after accumulating more and more> money.

if one spends less, naturally some money will accumulate. but my secret desire is to give it all away one day.....(LOL)

He would be a very able individual (in work, earnings, speech> etc)."

don't consider myself to be very able...and i could do with better speaking skills.

> The Dasa of the 2nd lord would be very prosperous.

the Venus dasa co-incided with getting a govt. job.

The> tight-fistedness of the native comes from his intention to avoid> wasteful expenses; it is not that he will not spend enough money for> useful things. For useful and right things he will spend money without> any stinginess.

this is exactly what my husband says..one should not spend wastefully....and he is a very practical person....and i listen to him;);)

The multiple relationships of the native spring not> from his immoral attitude, but rather from his sincerity. He is sincere> to himself and to the people he comes in contact with. If he happens to> make relationships with women, due to the too much sincerity, the chance> for it to turn into a strong relation (strong as marriage) is very big.

> This is what prompts the sage to mention - multiple wives for the> native.

when i started to study astrology it was this very strong indication of extra-marital relationships from various quarters in my chart (remember dwi, tri, bhava sambhal discussion, Shreenadh) that made me strengthen the resolve to be anachronistically moralistic abt. marriage. (LOL)!

i would like to share with u that with Taurus lagna i have 6 planets (including rahu-ketu, a retro mars and a retro mercury) in the 2-8 axis. Probably what has saved the day is the presence of Jupiter and Sun too in the 2nd house!!!

But this may be an amateur reading of my own chart...

> Let us to what extend these clear derivations actualized in real> horoscopes or not. I request the readers with the same combination to> share their experience; and their response/coment about the above> reading.

i hope the above feedback would be of some help.

love and regards,

vinita

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Vinita ji,> That was a good attempt. As for NHT2, assume Taurus as lagna and> that 2nd lord from Taurus (i.e. Mercury) is in Taurus. Note that Venus> gets debilitated in 5th Virgo, and also that mercury is a female eunuch.> But in face of the lawyers horoscope presented by Krishna ji and the> mail of Gopu ji, I should clarify the reading as per the Rishi horas. We> need to verify this reading, and I will stand by in support of the sage> quotes, and let us see what the reality and facts has to reveal. > > "If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be egotic. He may have 2> or 3 wives (affairs or near marriage relations also will do), but won't> have any children (especially son). He would be wealthy, will indulge in> righteous deeds. He will enjoy much worldly pleasures. He will have much> income/earnings/gain/profit, but would be stingy. He will always try to> increase his earnings, and would be after accumulating more and more> money. He would be a very able individual (in work, earnings, speech> etc)."> The Dasa of the 2nd lord would be very prosperous. The> tight-fistedness of the native comes from his intention to avoid> wasteful expenses; it is not that he will not spend enough money for> useful things. For useful and right things he will spend money without> any stinginess. The multiple relationships of the native spring not> from his immoral attitude, but rather from his sincerity. He is sincere> to himself and to the people he comes in contact with. If he happens to> make relationships with women, due to the too much sincerity, the chance> for it to turn into a strong relation (strong as marriage) is very big. > Let us to what > This is what prompts the sage to mention - multiple wives for the> native.extend these clear derivations actualized in real> horoscopes or not. I request the readers with the same combination to> share their experience; and their response/coment about the above> reading.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "vinita kumar"> shankar_mamta@ wrote:> >> > Dear Shreenadh ji,> >> > ok here is my take on this ...not that it will necessarily be close> > to the right answer , but then u can once again appreciate the> > effort > >> > Why should such a person have no son?> >> > 2nd lord in 2nd...in the natural zodiac this is Venus in Taurus.> > Venus is a female planet which gets strengthened in its feminine> > characteristics being in its own sign. Taurus is an even sign also> > equal to female??? dunno!> >> > i dont know if this application is correct, but assuming 2nd house> > to be first...the fifth house is Virgo, another female sign.> >> > Now for the 2nd question which is tougher....this person may have 2-> > 3 wives....why and how?> >> > 7th house is the significator of marriage....first marriage or all> > marriages?> >> > i dunno what is the significator of 2nd marriage, but i have heard> > or read somewhere that 2nd to 7th, ie., 8th H is the significator of> > 2nd marriage, 9th the significator of 3rd marriage and so on...Of> > course, i don't know the basis of such pronouncements.> >> > Going by the bhavat bhavam principle 8th from 8thH is 3rdH just as> > 3rdH is also 2nd from 2nd.> >> > 2nd from 2nd (Taurus) is Gemini, a dual sign and also a sign of> > copulation....so maybe more than one marriage.> >> > Venus from Taurus aspects Mars ruled Scorpio...Scorpio is the hidden> > 8th house also related to sex....but then i don't know how this fits> > in with formal 2nd or 3rd marriage. Of course, if such marriages are> > not in the open and hidden, there would be some connection there.> >> > i am afraid this is the best i could do. i have not used the nh2> > principle successfully because it is yet to sink in in terms of> > application.> >> > warm regards,> > vinita> >> >> >> >> >> >> > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > Let me try -> > >> > > If 2nd lord is in 2nd, he would influence the 8th. 8th being 2nd> > from 7th influences the longevity of the spouse. Hence, might be> > logical to say that the native would have more than one wife.> > >> > > Secondly, going by the logic of Kaalapursusha chart, it would be> > Venus in Taurus for Aries lagna. This also means the 7th lord in the> > second. The 7th lord being a maraka sitting in the house of family> > is not good.> > >> > > But, I can't figure out why NO son.> > >> > > All the above is theory. Let me quote a practical case. The> > chart that I have already shared (that of a lawyer), he has 2nd lord> > Mercury in the 2nd houuse Virgo. He has a Son - the only child.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > >> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > Dear All,> > > Sage Parasara and Lomasa tells us that if 2nd lord in 2nd -> > > * The native may have 2 or 3 wives.> > > * He will have NO son!!> > > We all know expect a very good reading speaking out very good> > results such as "good family, wealth, house, beautiful face,> > earnings" etc only for such a placement. What prompted these grate> > sages to make a very strong derivation such as - "He will have no> > son"?!! The quiz question is -> > > * What is the logic behind?> > > And the verification question is - Is that result derivations> > true in actual experience?> > > Note: I hope that after the previous quiz on 2nd house every> > body would be much interested in applying the learned principles> > here. ;=)> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with> > Search.> > >> >>

January 8, 2008

Dear Sreenadh,

You have sent an interesting mail.

Sometimes such discussions are so much easier to perform in person or with pen

and paper, but alas for this medium. All we can do is try to explain as

much as possible hoping that the reader is able to grasp what is being said or

understand it. Many a times 2 people are saying the same thing, but just

seeing things in different light. This field is so vast and there are “n”

number of ways / paths to arrive to the same conclusion. Yes, the way I

follow or the path is of KAS system and therefore I have tried to grasp VA

using KAS as the path and all my explanations are based on that, so its not

about argument, but that is what I know.

Even many laws of VA can be explained as

per the path or in the language I know which is KAS and I make a conscienceous

effort in not mixing the “KAS terminology” that would confuse the

readers here and try to just talk things logically.

I am a very practical person and do not believe

in many law’s if they can’t be proven practically and consistently

when u take up charts.

For example, 2nd lord in 2nd

house and then u talk of bhanga yog’s. So we need to talk of both

things together i.e the dictum and its contra and then take up charts and then

if 80%—90% of them pass though then we got something good and strong.

You have said, that 4th house

is for mother and then at the same time u have told that its also for maternal

relatives. Now if u go by symmetry of the chart, which I personally believe

in, then if u take 9th as father then 3rd house becomes

mother, the 7th from 9th house i.e the same logic we say

that 1st is SELF and 7th is Spouse or Partner, if 11th

is self earned income then 5th is unearned income, if 2nd

is self earned wealth then 8th is unearned wealth. If 10th

is work then 4th is opposite of that so that is home and enjoyment.

So if u go by symmetry of chart then

either u take 10th as father and 4th as mother or 9th

as father and 3rd as mother. If u take 9th as

father and 4th as mother it will similar to saying that 1st

is SELF and 8th is wife which does not hold the symmetry.

Now, if u are studying ancient Indian astrology

then why such things have happened? Here there are 2 possibilities that

either someone mis-interpreted things over time and called 4th house

which infact is DHAN sthan of Mother.

Of in old days, the real wealth of mother

was the home and she might be judged based on that (just try to understand what

I am saying with open mind and the essence), then in due course of time

it might have come to be known as Mother. So u must unearth such things.

So many books are making reference to

other texts. Sanskrit is complicated.

I will share some things, In my chats with

Krushnaji, Krushnaji explained to me some verses as given and how its meaning

was totally mis-interpreted and somethings which the author could not make out

is just left out. What about that?

So if u just go by existing texts which

are incomplete and then add a layer of its English translation which is

flavoured by the author and the translators who might not have translated

things properly so many things might have become bungled up over a period of

time.

Just in this case, 2nd lord in

2nd house, I think 3 people gave their feedback that they did not

experience such relations or multiple relations. So it means that this

law directly cannot be applied. So we also need to know the bhanga as per

your approach means get the FULL picture and then apply on charts and then 80% -

90% of them must pass the test then we are reaching somewhere.

Otherwise, it’s the same thing that

is happening on so many lists, that when practical charts are taken then all

that theory does not hold any water.

Even just find 1 law that works

consistently and that law should also cover ALL the contras. And put that

law up for people to test. That way even the mis-interpretation might get

cleared.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

Tuesday January 8, 2008 5:17

AM

Subject:

Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!

Dear Ash,

==>

> How are u

linking home to 2nd house or let me put it in other way, I have not

> understood in what context have u linked Home to 2nd house?

> 2nd

house as per your mail, you wrote that it denotes own home??? I am not clear

> with that either.

<==

Could be - but that is well popular classical dictum.

Ask any astrologer he will tell you that 4th house signify maternal family and

2nd own family - because there are numerous classical quotes that

describe/clarify the same.

* 4th house signify mother, maternal family, relatives,

friends, and natives (people in native place).

* 2nd house signify 'Swam' (anything that is our own), 'Bhartavyam

Akhilam vittam' (any treasure/money or other things we rule), own family (means

the family of our own with wife/husband and children). Bharta (husband)

means - ruler; we rule our own family our own wife, our own children. 2nd

house indicates own family is a very very popular common info well described in

Brihat Jataka, Prasnamarga and many more texts. 2nd house can signify 2nd

marriage this too is well described in many classics.

==>

> However

for a person to break the marital bond and go outside the boundaries and

> have extra marital relation must be indicated by the nature of the person,

status of

> venus etc etc i.e. in short more yogs.

<==

I agree - other supporting yogas (like in all the other cases) can help

us emphasis such readings and result; but that does not answer the question -

whether such a combination indicate such a result or not.

==>

> In all

cases if 2nd lord is in 2nd house then all such persons

will have multiple

> marriages etc might not hold true in all charts.

<==

I agree that in presence of Bhanga yogas the above combination may not

hold true in all the charts; but the question is whether the said combination

has such a tendency and whether the statement hold true in most of

the charts - i.e. at least 6/10. Only the response of the group members

can help us identify this - and not theoretical argumentation. Note that

-

* The RESULT is proposed by the sages and we only provide

the logical reasoning (EXPLANATION) for the same.

* What we need to confirm is - whether the results proposed by the sages

for this combination, actualize in reality or not; so as to confirm -

whether we can depend on that derivation or not. So let the people

with actual experience, or people with charts having the same combination,

or people who have familiar charts with the same

combination come forward and clarify our doubt - and let us stay away for some

time from argumentation regarding the same; Because the RESULT is NOT proposed

by me; but only the EXPLANATION. As practical astrologers we shouldn't

be much concerned about the 'explanation' which depends on individual

intellectual acumen, but about the RESULTS - we need to be sure, 'whether

we can depend on them or not'; and it is NOT me who is proposing

those results - and so I am not bothered even if they are right or

wrong. Hope I am making my stand clear.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

,

" Ash's Corner " <kas wrote:

RE: Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it

true?!!!

Dear Sreenadh,

I do not think we are on the same wavelength here. Ve exalts

in Pisces the 12th house and in upachaya from 7th

house. That is 11th from Taurus. That is correct.

But for a person to have extra marital relationship he must have

some yogs indicating that, his personality and character must be such.

There must be problems or some such things indicating.

Here 2nd house means karak for marriage is what I am

seeing period. If 2nd house is spoilt or Venus is spoilt then

the results of 7th house are spoilt, so it means there might be

multiple marriages or no marriage or some such thing means disturbed 7th

house.

However for a person to break the marital bond and go outside the

boundaries and have extra marital relation must be indicated by the nature of

the person, status of venus etc etc i.e. in short more yogs.

2nd house as per your mail, you wrote that it denotes

own home??? I am not clear with that either. House and fixed assets are 4th

house. 2nd house is kutumb or family and wealth i.e. bonds,

stocks gold as per todays day and age and back in old days, also knowledge i.e.

Karak is Jupiter lord of 9th house in Kalpurush chart and your Guru

and father too.

How are u linking home to 2nd house or let me put it in

other way, I have not understood in what context have u linked Home to 2nd

house?

2nd house is 10th from 5th so

primary upachaya. So in dasha of 2nd or 10th

lord that might trigger 5th house. Now that only need not be

romance, it can be a person might get his or her degree in education or

might gain in speculation, or might win a lottery.

For a person to have romantic relation, he or she must have some

particular nature or yogs like say Mars and Venus with Sa or say Ma and Ve in 1

house aspected by Saturn, so that can make a person more passionate

(personality) and then in such case, if antra of 2nd lord runs or 10th

lord then more chances of something that might happen that he or she might meet

someone in that antra. Again then, if Ju aspects then it might not let it

go out of hand etc etc etc like other influence of planets modifying the overall

nature of the person.

In all cases if 2nd lord is in 2nd house then

all such persons will have multiple marriages etc might not hold true in all

charts.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> _____

>

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

> Tuesday January 8, 2008 3:52 AM

>

> Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it

true?!!!

>

> Dear Ash,

> The 2nd and 3rd marriage/'strong extra marital relation' mentioned here

> is not mainly related to 5th (platonic love) or 12th (bed pleasures); But

> rather related to the house indicating 2nd marriages or relations within

the

> relationships such as 2nd and 11th houses.

> Note that 2nd house indicates own home, homely relations; and Venus is the

> lord of 2nd house and 7th house in NH; and also that the same Venus gets

> exalted in 11th (a house signifying 2nd marriage) from Taurus. As per

NHT2,

> note that Jupiter is the significator of 2nd house and that Jupiter in

> Taurus (2nd lord in any house is equivalent to Jupiter in that house)

> means, 11th lord from Taurus in Taurus. Also note that if we use NHT2, 2nd

> lord in 2nd is equivalent to Mercury in Taurus for Taurus lagna - Mercury

is

> debilitated in 11th and owns 2nd house from Tarus - indicting relation

with

> both 2nd and 11th house (both house signifying 2nd wife/relation).

Note that

> 11th indicates friendship turned into relation.

>

> Thus in essence, the 2nd and 3rd relation mentioned here could be -

> * Actual marriages that took place (provided enough indication of break of

> first marriage is present in horoscope)

> * Friendship turned into strong extra marital relation.

> * A relationship mainly caused by the environment/chance with in the

> family relatives/relations

>

> This is my opinion - any how I am of the opinion that " if 2nd lord is

in

> 2nd house - even though the native may have a clean image and he would be

> good at heart, for sure he will have extra marital affairs; almost strong

as

> a marriage " . It is not that the native is immoral, non-sincere, does

not

> loves his wife or something like that; it is just that for fulfillment

> (complimenting) he needs some extra relations - and have it, solid. If

even

> by a slight chance if his marriage is affected, the very next day you will

> find him settled in the next relation (married!) again enjoying life. May

> be some more examples and actual experiences may confirm or negate this

> derivation.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ,

" Ash's Corner@ "

> kas@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> >

> > I read your reply and am not able to understand what u mean by 2 or 3

> wives?

> > Do u mean in the literal sense, i.e. w.r.t 7th house so partner in

> property

> > or do mean affairs i.e. 5th house matter platonic or 12th house

matters

> > which involves pleasures?

> >

> > If a person say in India

as 2 or 3 wives, then that might be a bigamous

> > marriage which might be punishable by law. Or do u mean that he or

she

> > might have a marriage then divorce and then marry 2nd time and

divorce and

> > marry 3rd time like that?

> >

> > Yes, one more thing about 2nd lord is that in antra of 2nd lord a

person

> > worries, so at that time, a male might generate more Y chromosomes so

that

> > might be a factor in having more female children.

> >

> > In KAS, if 3:6:10:11 points are in rising trend in Male chart, then

mostly

> > the 1st child is female. This is due to the logic that such persons

are

> > very enterprising, just see the chart that Renu gave of CEO where I

said

> > that native might be in business but he was CEO, I wrote a mail I

think in

> > response to that as well, so if the person is taking on large

ventures to

> > establish business or if he is rising to much power and conception

happens

> > then there are MORE chances of having a female child.

> >

> > Maybe that is why or some base of it might be there in this 2nd lord

in

> > lagna logic as well?

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > _____

> >

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

> > Tuesday January 8, 2008 12:56 AM

> >

> > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is

it true?!!!

> >

> > Dear Vinita ji,

> > That was a good attempt. As for NHT2, assume Taurus as lagna and

that

> > 2nd lord from Taurus (i.e. Mercury) is in Taurus. Note that Venus

gets

> > debilitated in 5th Virgo, and also that mercury is a female eunuch.

> > But in face of the lawyers horoscope presented by Krishna

ji and the mail

> > of Gopu ji, I should clarify the reading as per the Rishi horas. We

need

> to

> > verify this reading, and I will stand by in support of the sage

quotes,

> and

> > let us see what the reality and facts has to reveal.

> >

> > " If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be egotic. He may

have 2 or

> > 3 wives (affairs or near marriage relations also will do), but won't

have

> > any children (especially son). He would be wealthy, will indulge in

> > righteous deeds. He will enjoy much worldly pleasures. He will have

much

> > income/earnings/gain/profit, but would be stingy. He will always

try to

> > increase his earnings, and would be after accumulating more and more

> money.

> > He would be a very able individual (in work, earnings, speech

etc). "

> > The Dasa of the 2nd lord would be very prosperous. The

tight-fistedness

> > of the native comes from his intention to avoid wasteful expenses; it

is

> not

> > that he will not spend enough money for useful things. For useful and

> right

> > things he will spend money without any stinginess. The multiple

> > relationships of the native spring not from his immoral attitude, but

> rather

> > from his sincerity. He is sincere to himself and to the people he

comes in

> > contact with. If he happens to make relationships with women, due to

the

> too

> > much sincerity, the chance for it to turn into a strong relation

(strong

> as

> > marriage) is very big. This is what prompts the sage to mention -

multiple

> > wives for the native.

> > Let us to what extend these clear derivations actualized in real

> > horoscopes or not. I request the readers with the same combination to

> share

> > their experience; and their response/coment about the above reading.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ,

" vinita kumar "

> > shankar_mamta@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > ok here is my take on this ...not that it will necessarily be

close

> > > to the right answer , but then u can once again appreciate the

> > > effort

> > >

> > > Why should such a person have no son?

> > >

> > > 2nd lord in 2nd...in the natural zodiac this is Venus in Taurus.

> > > Venus is a female planet which gets strengthened in its feminine

> > > characteristics being in its own sign. Taurus is an even sign

also

> > > equal to female??? dunno!

> > >

> > > i dont know if this application is correct, but assuming 2nd

house

> > > to be first...the fifth house is Virgo, another female sign.

> > >

> > > Now for the 2nd question which is tougher....this person may

have 2-

> > > 3 wives....why and how?

> > >

> > > 7th house is the significator of marriage....first marriage

or all

> > > marriages?

> > >

> > > i dunno what is the significator of 2nd marriage, but i have

heard

> > > or read somewhere that 2nd to 7th, ie., 8th H is the

significator of

> > > 2nd marriage, 9th the significator of 3rd marriage and so

on...Of

> > > course, i don't know the basis of such pronouncements.

> > >

> > > Going by the bhavat bhavam principle 8th from 8thH is 3rdH just

as

> > > 3rdH is also 2nd from 2nd.

> > >

> > > 2nd from 2nd (Taurus) is Gemini, a dual sign and also a sign of

> > > copulation....so maybe more than one marriage.

> > >

> > > Venus from Taurus aspects Mars ruled Scorpio...Scorpio is the

hidden

> > > 8th house also related to sex....but then i don't know how this

fits

> > > in with formal 2nd or 3rd marriage. Of course, if such marriages

are

> > > not in the open and hidden, there would be some connection

there.

> > >

> > > i am afraid this is the best i could do. i have not used the nh2

> > > principle successfully because it is yet to sink in in terms of

> > > application.

> > >

> > > warm regards,

> > > vinita

> > >

> > > ,

Krishnamurthy

> > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > Let me try -

> > > >

> > > > If 2nd lord is in 2nd, he would influence the 8th. 8th

being 2nd

> > > from 7th influences the longevity of the spouse. Hence, might be

> > > logical to say that the native would have more than one wife.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly, going by the logic of Kaalapursusha chart, it

would be

> > > Venus in Taurus for Aries lagna. This also means the 7th lord in

the

> > > second. The 7th lord being a maraka sitting in the house of

family

> > > is not good.

> > > >

> > > > But, I can't figure out why NO son.

> > > >

> > > > All the above is theory. Let me quote a practical case. The

> > > chart that I have already shared (that of a lawyer), he has 2nd

lord

> > > Mercury in the 2nd houuse Virgo. He has a Son - the only child.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > Sage Parasara and Lomasa tells us that if 2nd lord in 2nd -

> > > > * The native may have 2 or 3 wives.

> > > > * He will have NO son!!

> > > > We all know expect a very good reading speaking out very

good

> > > results such as " good family, wealth, house, beautiful

face,

> > > earnings " etc only for such a placement. What prompted

these grate

> > > sages to make a very strong derivation such as - " He will

have no

> > > son " ?!! The quiz question is -

> > > > * What is the logic behind?

> > > > And the verification question is - Is that result

derivations

> > > true in actual experience?

> > > > Note: I hope that after the previous quiz on 2nd house

every

> > > body would be much interested in applying the learned principles

> > > here. ;=)

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

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> > >

> >

>

January 8, 2008

Dear Sreenadh,

I take 3rd house as mother,

i.e. 7th from 9th house is father.

Why 4th house is taken as

mother when 9th is taken as father i.e. against symmetry I am not

too sure. I am hoping that u can unearth this mystery in why such things have

happened.

The true test will be to time the death of

father and mother.

If 4th house is mother than death

of mother must be from 11th house. If 3rd is of mother

than death is from 10th house. Same way if 10th is

father than death must be from 5th house and if 9th is

then from 4th house.

If u can find out the consistent laws of

death that work then we can test this, otherwise in KAS the laws are there that

also we can check and those should.

That will confirm many things especially

why what the Sages actually said v/s what is in the books today might be very

different.

So many thoughts going on in my mind, just

trying to pen those down. So bear with me.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

Tuesday January 8, 2008 5:17

AM

Subject:

Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!

Dear Ash,

==>

> How are u

linking home to 2nd house or let me put it in other way, I have not

> understood in what context have u linked Home to 2nd house?

> 2nd

house as per your mail, you wrote that it denotes own home??? I am not clear

> with that either.

<==

Could be - but that is well popular classical dictum.

Ask any astrologer he will tell you that 4th house signify maternal family and

2nd own family - because there are numerous classical quotes that

describe/clarify the same.

* 4th house signify mother, maternal family, relatives,

friends, and natives (people in native place).

* 2nd house signify 'Swam' (anything that is our own), 'Bhartavyam

Akhilam vittam' (any treasure/money or other things we rule), own family (means

the family of our own with wife/husband and children). Bharta (husband)

means - ruler; we rule our own family our own wife, our own children. 2nd

house indicates own family is a very very popular common info well described in

Brihat Jataka, Prasnamarga and many more texts. 2nd house can signify 2nd

marriage this too is well described in many classics.

==>

> However

for a person to break the marital bond and go outside the boundaries and

> have extra marital relation must be indicated by the nature of the person,

status of

> venus etc etc i.e. in short more yogs.

<==

I agree - other supporting yogas (like in all the other cases) can help

us emphasis such readings and result; but that does not answer the question -

whether such a combination indicate such a result or not.

==>

> In all

cases if 2nd lord is in 2nd house then all such persons

will have multiple

> marriages etc might not hold true in all charts.

<==

I agree that in presence of Bhanga yogas the above combination may not

hold true in all the charts; but the question is whether the said combination

has such a tendency and whether the statement hold true in most of

the charts - i.e. at least 6/10. Only the response of the group members

can help us identify this - and not theoretical argumentation. Note that

-

* The RESULT is proposed by the sages and we only provide

the logical reasoning (EXPLANATION) for the same.

* What we need to confirm is - whether the results proposed by the sages

for this combination, actualize in reality or not; so as to confirm -

whether we can depend on that derivation or not. So let the people

with actual experience, or people with charts having the same combination,

or people who have familiar charts with the same

combination come forward and clarify our doubt - and let us stay away for some

time from argumentation regarding the same; Because the RESULT is NOT proposed

by me; but only the EXPLANATION. As practical astrologers we shouldn't

be much concerned about the 'explanation' which depends on individual

intellectual acumen, but about the RESULTS - we need to be sure, 'whether

we can depend on them or not'; and it is NOT me who is proposing

those results - and so I am not bothered even if they are right or

wrong. Hope I am making my stand clear.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

,

" Ash's Corner " <kas wrote:

RE: Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it

true?!!!

Dear Sreenadh,

I do not think we are on the same wavelength here. Ve exalts

in Pisces the 12th house and in upachaya from 7th

house. That is 11th from Taurus. That is correct.

But for a person to have extra marital relationship he must have

some yogs indicating that, his personality and character must be such.

There must be problems or some such things indicating.

Here 2nd house means karak for marriage is what I am

seeing period. If 2nd house is spoilt or Venus is spoilt then

the results of 7th house are spoilt, so it means there might be

multiple marriages or no marriage or some such thing means disturbed 7th

house.

However for a person to break the marital bond and go outside the

boundaries and have extra marital relation must be indicated by the nature of

the person, status of venus etc etc i.e. in short more yogs.

2nd house as per your mail, you wrote that it denotes

own home??? I am not clear with that either. House and fixed assets are 4th

house. 2nd house is kutumb or family and wealth i.e. bonds,

stocks gold as per todays day and age and back in old days, also knowledge i.e.

Karak is Jupiter lord of 9th house in Kalpurush chart and your Guru

and father too.

How are u linking home to 2nd house or let me put it in

other way, I have not understood in what context have u linked Home to 2nd

house?

2nd house is 10th from 5th so

primary upachaya. So in dasha of 2nd or 10th

lord that might trigger 5th house. Now that only need not be

romance, it can be a person might get his or her degree in education or

might gain in speculation, or might win a lottery.

For a person to have romantic relation, he or she must have some

particular nature or yogs like say Mars and Venus with Sa or say Ma and Ve in 1

house aspected by Saturn, so that can make a person more passionate

(personality) and then in such case, if antra of 2nd lord runs or 10th

lord then more chances of something that might happen that he or she might meet

someone in that antra. Again then, if Ju aspects then it might not let it

go out of hand etc etc etc like other influence of planets modifying the overall

nature of the person.

In all cases if 2nd lord is in 2nd house then

all such persons will have multiple marriages etc might not hold true in all

charts.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

> _____

>

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

> Tuesday January 8, 2008 3:52 AM

>

> Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it

true?!!!

>

> Dear Ash,

> The 2nd and 3rd marriage/'strong extra marital relation' mentioned here

> is not mainly related to 5th (platonic love) or 12th (bed pleasures); But

> rather related to the house indicating 2nd marriages or relations within

the

> relationships such as 2nd and 11th houses.

> Note that 2nd house indicates own home, homely relations; and Venus is the

> lord of 2nd house and 7th house in NH; and also that the same Venus gets

> exalted in 11th (a house signifying 2nd marriage) from Taurus. As per

NHT2,

> note that Jupiter is the significator of 2nd house and that Jupiter in

> Taurus (2nd lord in any house is equivalent to Jupiter in that house)

> means, 11th lord from Taurus in Taurus. Also note that if we use NHT2, 2nd

> lord in 2nd is equivalent to Mercury in Taurus for Taurus lagna - Mercury

is

> debilitated in 11th and owns 2nd house from Tarus - indicting relation

with

> both 2nd and 11th house (both house signifying 2nd wife/relation).

Note that

> 11th indicates friendship turned into relation.

>

> Thus in essence, the 2nd and 3rd relation mentioned here could be -

> * Actual marriages that took place (provided enough indication of break of

> first marriage is present in horoscope)

> * Friendship turned into strong extra marital relation.

> * A relationship mainly caused by the environment/chance with in the

> family relatives/relations

>

> This is my opinion - any how I am of the opinion that " if 2nd lord is

in

> 2nd house - even though the native may have a clean image and he would be

> good at heart, for sure he will have extra marital affairs; almost strong

as

> a marriage " . It is not that the native is immoral, non-sincere, does

not

> loves his wife or something like that; it is just that for fulfillment

> (complimenting) he needs some extra relations - and have it, solid. If

even

> by a slight chance if his marriage is affected, the very next day you will

> find him settled in the next relation (married!) again enjoying life. May

> be some more examples and actual experiences may confirm or negate this

> derivation.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ,

" Ash's Corner@ "

> kas@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> >

> > I read your reply and am not able to understand what u mean by 2 or 3

> wives?

> > Do u mean in the literal sense, i.e. w.r.t 7th house so partner in

> property

> > or do mean affairs i.e. 5th house matter platonic or 12th house

matters

> > which involves pleasures?

> >

> > If a person say in India

as 2 or 3 wives, then that might be a bigamous

> > marriage which might be punishable by law. Or do u mean that he or

she

> > might have a marriage then divorce and then marry 2nd time and

divorce and

> > marry 3rd time like that?

> >

> > Yes, one more thing about 2nd lord is that in antra of 2nd lord a

person

> > worries, so at that time, a male might generate more Y chromosomes so

that

> > might be a factor in having more female children.

> >

> > In KAS, if 3:6:10:11 points are in rising trend in Male chart, then

mostly

> > the 1st child is female. This is due to the logic that such persons

are

> > very enterprising, just see the chart that Renu gave of CEO where I

said

> > that native might be in business but he was CEO, I wrote a mail I

think in

> > response to that as well, so if the person is taking on large

ventures to

> > establish business or if he is rising to much power and conception

happens

> > then there are MORE chances of having a female child.

> >

> > Maybe that is why or some base of it might be there in this 2nd lord

in

> > lagna logic as well?

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > _____

> >

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

> > Tuesday January 8, 2008 12:56 AM

> >

> > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is

it true?!!!

> >

> > Dear Vinita ji,

> > That was a good attempt. As for NHT2, assume Taurus as lagna and

that

> > 2nd lord from Taurus (i.e. Mercury) is in Taurus. Note that Venus

gets

> > debilitated in 5th Virgo, and also that mercury is a female eunuch.

> > But in face of the lawyers horoscope presented by Krishna

ji and the mail

> > of Gopu ji, I should clarify the reading as per the Rishi horas. We

need

> to

> > verify this reading, and I will stand by in support of the sage

quotes,

> and

> > let us see what the reality and facts has to reveal.

> >

> > " If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be egotic. He may

have 2 or

> > 3 wives (affairs or near marriage relations also will do), but won't

have

> > any children (especially son). He would be wealthy, will indulge in

> > righteous deeds. He will enjoy much worldly pleasures. He will have

much

> > income/earnings/gain/profit, but would be stingy. He will always

try to

> > increase his earnings, and would be after accumulating more and more

> money.

> > He would be a very able individual (in work, earnings, speech

etc). "

> > The Dasa of the 2nd lord would be very prosperous. The

tight-fistedness

> > of the native comes from his intention to avoid wasteful expenses; it

is

> not

> > that he will not spend enough money for useful things. For useful and

> right

> > things he will spend money without any stinginess. The multiple

> > relationships of the native spring not from his immoral attitude, but

> rather

> > from his sincerity. He is sincere to himself and to the people he

comes in

> > contact with. If he happens to make relationships with women, due to

the

> too

> > much sincerity, the chance for it to turn into a strong relation

(strong

> as

> > marriage) is very big. This is what prompts the sage to mention -

multiple

> > wives for the native.

> > Let us to what extend these clear derivations actualized in real

> > horoscopes or not. I request the readers with the same combination to

> share

> > their experience; and their response/coment about the above reading.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ,

" vinita kumar "

> > shankar_mamta@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > ok here is my take on this ...not that it will necessarily be

close

> > > to the right answer , but then u can once again appreciate the

> > > effort

> > >

> > > Why should such a person have no son?

> > >

> > > 2nd lord in 2nd...in the natural zodiac this is Venus in Taurus.

> > > Venus is a female planet which gets strengthened in its feminine

> > > characteristics being in its own sign. Taurus is an even sign

also

> > > equal to female??? dunno!

> > >

> > > i dont know if this application is correct, but assuming 2nd

house

> > > to be first...the fifth house is Virgo, another female sign.

> > >

> > > Now for the 2nd question which is tougher....this person may

have 2-

> > > 3 wives....why and how?

> > >

> > > 7th house is the significator of marriage....first marriage

or all

> > > marriages?

> > >

> > > i dunno what is the significator of 2nd marriage, but i have

heard

> > > or read somewhere that 2nd to 7th, ie., 8th H is the

significator of

> > > 2nd marriage, 9th the significator of 3rd marriage and so

on...Of

> > > course, i don't know the basis of such pronouncements.

> > >

> > > Going by the bhavat bhavam principle 8th from 8thH is 3rdH just

as

> > > 3rdH is also 2nd from 2nd.

> > >

> > > 2nd from 2nd (Taurus) is Gemini, a dual sign and also a sign of

> > > copulation....so maybe more than one marriage.

> > >

> > > Venus from Taurus aspects Mars ruled Scorpio...Scorpio is the

hidden

> > > 8th house also related to sex....but then i don't know how this

fits

> > > in with formal 2nd or 3rd marriage. Of course, if such marriages

are

> > > not in the open and hidden, there would be some connection

there.

> > >

> > > i am afraid this is the best i could do. i have not used the nh2

> > > principle successfully because it is yet to sink in in terms of

> > > application.

> > >

> > > warm regards,

> > > vinita

> > >

> > > ,

Krishnamurthy

> > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > Let me try -

> > > >

> > > > If 2nd lord is in 2nd, he would influence the 8th. 8th

being 2nd

> > > from 7th influences the longevity of the spouse. Hence, might be

> > > logical to say that the native would have more than one wife.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly, going by the logic of Kaalapursusha chart, it

would be

> > > Venus in Taurus for Aries lagna. This also means the 7th lord in

the

> > > second. The 7th lord being a maraka sitting in the house of

family

> > > is not good.

> > > >

> > > > But, I can't figure out why NO son.

> > > >

> > > > All the above is theory. Let me quote a practical case. The

> > > chart that I have already shared (that of a lawyer), he has 2nd

lord

> > > Mercury in the 2nd houuse Virgo. He has a Son - the only child.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > Sage Parasara and Lomasa tells us that if 2nd lord in 2nd -

> > > > * The native may have 2 or 3 wives.

> > > > * He will have NO son!!

> > > > We all know expect a very good reading speaking out very

good

> > > results such as " good family, wealth, house, beautiful

face,

> > > earnings " etc only for such a placement. What prompted

these grate

> > > sages to make a very strong derivation such as - " He will

have no

> > > son " ?!! The quiz question is -

> > > > * What is the logic behind?

> > > > And the verification question is - Is that result

derivations

> > > true in actual experience?

> > > > Note: I hope that after the previous quiz on 2nd house

every

> > > body would be much interested in applying the learned principles

> > > here. ;=)

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

> > > Search.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 8, 2008

Dear Sreenadh,

I use the theory of Karak. So 5th

house is friends but with the karak of 12th means can be a couple.

3rd house is for sahudar or friends like brothers and karak is 10th

house. 11th house friends means karak is 6th so legal

matters or service like that.

Means there is some concrete and logical reasoning

behind this. Means if u want to keep Jyotish as science then there must be

some logical and concrete reasoning behind all things. That is the search.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

Tuesday January 8, 2008 5:28

AM

Subject:

Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!

Dear Ash,

Actually there are numerous houses that can signify friends - 4th,

11th, 3rd, 8th, 7th and so on. If you look care fully you will see that all the

12 houses can signify friends. Similar to the fact that all the

12 houses can signify love. Have a look at this message: /message/6128

The methodologies uses to find significators etc may vary from

system to system - here from ancient indian astrology to KAS. But what we

all are interested in is just to know - whether the said results are true

in available horoscopes or not. Methods are immaterial but the results are

not. Every method/approach will have its own pet theories (which none

else may accept), but what ever be the theory - if some thing helps to reveal

the true result that is welcome. What we are doing here is NOT discussing the

various methodologies and their approach, but instead verifying whether a result

provided by Parasara and Lomasa is true or not.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

,

" Ash's Corner " <kas wrote:

>

RE: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!

Dear Sreenadh,

For friends u can also take 3rd house as well,

i.e. Sahudhar or like brothers for that Karak is 10th house.

For friend though legal means i.e. karak is 6th

house so for example Marriage is 7th house, 2nd house is

Karak and 11th house is friend but as a result of legal i.e. karak

is 6th.

Then 7th becomes karak for 12th house

so a person get enjoyment with wife, then 12th becomes karak for 5th

so childbirth. Somewhere it is given in some text that marriage is when

there is intension to grow family and have child, so here is the logic or let

me put it this way that what I am saying is ONE of the way to view things and I

am sure every system must have their own approach.

Then when one gets a child then that becomes karak for

authority, i.e. 12th house is karak for 5th means mating

(12th) is karak for childbirth (5th), once u get a child

(5th) that becomes karak for authority (10th), gives u a

promotion to Dad, once u get authority then that becomes karak for your

Parakram means u will now work harder to support your child and family, i.e. 3rd

house, and 3rd becomes karak for 8th house J ending the

circle of life

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

Tuesday January 8, 2008 3:52

AM

Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!

Dear Ash,

The 2nd and 3rd marriage/'strong extra marital relation'

mentioned here is not mainly related to 5th (platonic love) or 12th (bed

pleasures); But rather related to the house indicating 2nd marriages or

relations within the relationships such as 2nd and 11th houses.

Note that 2nd house indicates own home, homely relations; and Venus is

the lord of 2nd house and 7th house in NH; and also that the same Venus gets

exalted in 11th (a house signifying 2nd marriage) from Taurus. As per

NHT2, note that Jupiter is the significator of 2nd house and that Jupiter

in Taurus (2nd lord in any house is equivalent to Jupiter in that

house) means, 11th lord from Taurus in Taurus. Also note that if we

use NHT2, 2nd lord in 2nd is equivalent to Mercury in Taurus for Taurus lagna -

Mercury is debilitated in 11th and owns 2nd house from Tarus - indicting

relation with both 2nd and 11th house (both house signifying

2nd wife/relation). Note that 11th indicates friendship turned into

relation.

Thus in essence, the 2nd and 3rd relation mentioned here could be

-

* Actual marriages that took place (provided enough indication of break

of first marriage is present in horoscope)

* Friendship turned into strong extra marital relation.

* A relationship mainly caused by the environment/chance with in

the family relatives/relations

This is my opinion - any how I am of the opinion that " if 2nd lord

is in 2nd house - even though the native may have a clean image and he would be

good at heart, for sure he will have extra marital affairs; almost strong as a

marriage " . It is not that the native is immoral, non-sincere, does not

loves his wife or something like that; it is just that for fulfillment

(complimenting) he needs some extra relations - and have it, solid. If even by a

slight chance if his marriage is affected, the very next day you

will find him settled in the next relation

(married!) again enjoying life. May be some more examples and

actual experiences may confirm or negate this derivation.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

>

> ,

" Ash's Corner@ "

> kas@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> >

> > I read your reply and am not able to understand what u mean by 2 or 3

> wives?

> > Do u mean in the literal sense, i.e. w.r.t 7th house so partner in

> property

> > or do mean affairs i.e. 5th house matter platonic or 12th house

matters

> > which involves pleasures?

> >

> > If a person say in India

as 2 or 3 wives, then that might be a bigamous

> > marriage which might be punishable by law. Or do u mean that he or

she

> > might have a marriage then divorce and then marry 2nd time and

divorce and

> > marry 3rd time like that?

> >

> > Yes, one more thing about 2nd lord is that in antra of 2nd lord a

person

> > worries, so at that time, a male might generate more Y chromosomes so

that

> > might be a factor in having more female children.

> >

> > In KAS, if 3:6:10:11 points are in rising trend in Male chart, then

mostly

> > the 1st child is female. This is due to the logic that such persons

are

> > very enterprising, just see the chart that Renu gave of CEO where I

said

> > that native might be in business but he was CEO, I wrote a mail I

think in

> > response to that as well, so if the person is taking on large

ventures to

> > establish business or if he is rising to much power and conception

happens

> > then there are MORE chances of having a female child.

> >

> > Maybe that is why or some base of it might be there in this 2nd lord

in

> > lagna logic as well?

> >

> > Cheers !!!

> >

> > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca

> >

> > _____

> >

On Behalf Of Sreenadh

> > Tuesday January 8, 2008 12:56 AM

> >

> > Re: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is

it true?!!!

> >

> > Dear Vinita ji,

> > That was a good attempt. As for NHT2, assume Taurus as lagna and

that

> > 2nd lord from Taurus (i.e. Mercury) is in Taurus. Note that Venus

gets

> > debilitated in 5th Virgo, and also that mercury is a female eunuch.

> > But in face of the lawyers horoscope presented by Krishna

ji and the mail

> > of Gopu ji, I should clarify the reading as per the Rishi horas. We

need

> to

> > verify this reading, and I will stand by in support of the sage

quotes,

> and

> > let us see what the reality and facts has to reveal.

> >

> > " If 2nd lord is in 2nd house, the native would be egotic. He may

have 2 or

> > 3 wives (affairs or near marriage relations also will do), but won't

have

> > any children (especially son). He would be wealthy, will indulge in

> > righteous deeds. He will enjoy much worldly pleasures. He will have

much

> > income/earnings/gain/profit, but would be stingy. He will always

try to

> > increase his earnings, and would be after accumulating more and more

> money.

> > He would be a very able individual (in work, earnings, speech

etc). "

> > The Dasa of the 2nd lord would be very prosperous. The

tight-fistedness

> > of the native comes from his intention to avoid wasteful expenses; it

is

> not

> > that he will not spend enough money for useful things. For useful and

> right

> > things he will spend money without any stinginess. The multiple

> > relationships of the native spring not from his immoral attitude, but

> rather

> > from his sincerity. He is sincere to himself and to the people he

comes in

> > contact with. If he happens to make relationships with women, due to

the

> too

> > much sincerity, the chance for it to turn into a strong relation

(strong

> as

> > marriage) is very big. This is what prompts the sage to mention -

multiple

> > wives for the native.

> > Let us to what extend these clear derivations actualized in real

> > horoscopes or not. I request the readers with the same combination to

> share

> > their experience; and their response/coment about the above reading.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ,

" vinita kumar "

> > shankar_mamta@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Shreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > ok here is my take on this ...not that it will necessarily be

close

> > > to the right answer , but then u can once again appreciate the

> > > effort

> > >

> > > Why should such a person have no son?

> > >

> > > 2nd lord in 2nd...in the natural zodiac this is Venus in Taurus.

> > > Venus is a female planet which gets strengthened in its feminine

> > > characteristics being in its own sign. Taurus is an even sign

also

> > > equal to female??? dunno!

> > >

> > > i dont know if this application is correct, but assuming 2nd

house

> > > to be first...the fifth house is Virgo, another female sign.

> > >

> > > Now for the 2nd question which is tougher....this person may

have 2-

> > > 3 wives....why and how?

> > >

> > > 7th house is the significator of marriage....first marriage

or all

> > > marriages?

> > >

> > > i dunno what is the significator of 2nd marriage, but i have

heard

> > > or read somewhere that 2nd to 7th, ie., 8th H is the

significator of

> > > 2nd marriage, 9th the significator of 3rd marriage and so

on...Of

> > > course, i don't know the basis of such pronouncements.

> > >

> > > Going by the bhavat bhavam principle 8th from 8thH is 3rdH just

as

> > > 3rdH is also 2nd from 2nd.

> > >

> > > 2nd from 2nd (Taurus) is Gemini, a dual sign and also a sign of

> > > copulation....so maybe more than one marriage.

> > >

> > > Venus from Taurus aspects Mars ruled Scorpio...Scorpio is the

hidden

> > > 8th house also related to sex....but then i don't know how this

fits

> > > in with formal 2nd or 3rd marriage. Of course, if such marriages

are

> > > not in the open and hidden, there would be some connection

there.

> > >

> > > i am afraid this is the best i could do. i have not used the nh2

> > > principle successfully because it is yet to sink in in terms of

> > > application.

> > >

> > > warm regards,

> > > vinita

> > >

> > > ,

Krishnamurthy

> > > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > Let me try -

> > > >

> > > > If 2nd lord is in 2nd, he would influence the 8th. 8th

being 2nd

> > > from 7th influences the longevity of the spouse. Hence, might be

> > > logical to say that the native would have more than one wife.

> > > >

> > > > Secondly, going by the logic of Kaalapursusha chart, it

would be

> > > Venus in Taurus for Aries lagna. This also means the 7th lord in

the

> > > second. The 7th lord being a maraka sitting in the house of

family

> > > is not good.

> > > >

> > > > But, I can't figure out why NO son.

> > > >

> > > > All the above is theory. Let me quote a practical case. The

> > > chart that I have already shared (that of a lawyer), he has 2nd

lord

> > > Mercury in the 2nd houuse Virgo. He has a Son - the only child.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > Dear All,

> > > > Sage Parasara and Lomasa tells us that if 2nd lord in 2nd -

> > > > * The native may have 2 or 3 wives.

> > > > * He will have NO son!!

> > > > We all know expect a very good reading speaking out very

good

> > > results such as " good family, wealth, house, beautiful face,

> > > earnings " etc only for such a placement. What prompted

these grate

> > > sages to make a very strong derivation such as - " He will

have no

> > > son " ?!! The quiz question is -

> > > > * What is the logic behind?

> > > > And the verification question is - Is that result

derivations

> > > true in actual experience?

> > > > Note: I hope that after the previous quiz on 2nd house

every

> > > body would be much interested in applying the learned principles

> > > here. ;=)

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with

> > > Search.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

January 8, 2008

Dear Ramesh,

Yes you have said it and put it very

wisely. Pardon me, I am much younger to you so in my eagerness and enthusiasm I

might not be very objective. So thanks for giving a good balanced view.

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

On Behalf Of ramesh mishra

Tuesday January 8, 2008 5:19

AM

Subject:

RE: Quiz - Oh! Friends! Is it true?!!!

Dear Ash and Sreenadh,

Sorry to intrtvene here. Both of you are correct your own way.

But the problem is, mixing two different system.

In VA for second marriage second house is considered if I am not wrong.

8th house is for break in first marriage and 7th from 8th is second

that is why 2nd house is for second marriage.

But chart must indicate multiple marriages.

For that we have to see the status of Ve. Its relationship with Ma. Sa

and Ra.

The placemeent of Ve in dual signs.

Thanks and regards.

Ramesh Mishra

" Ash's

Corner (AT) ashtro (DOT) ca " <kas

wrote:

Dear Sreenadh,

I do not think we are on the same

wavelength here. Ve exalts in Pisces the 12th house and in

upachaya from 7th house. That is 11th from

Taurus. That is correct.

But for a person to have extra

marital relationship he must have some yogs indicating that, his personality

and character must be such. There must be problems or some such things

indicating.

Here 2nd house means

karak for marriage is what I am seeing period. If 2nd house is

spoilt or Venus is spoilt then the results of 7th house are spoilt,

so it means there might be multiple marriages or no marriage or some such thing

means disturbed 7th house.

However for a person to break the

marital bond and go outside the boundaries and have extra marital relation must

be indicated by the nature of the person, status of venus etc etc i.e. in short

more yogs.

2nd house as per your

mail, you wrote that it denotes own home??? I am not clear with that

either. House and fixed assets are 4th house. 2nd

house is kutumb or family and wealth i.e. bonds, stocks gold as per todays day

and age and back in old days, also knowledge i.e. Karak is Jupiter lord of 9th

house in Kalpurush chart and your Guru and father too.

How are u linking home to 2nd

house or let me put it in other way, I have not understood in what context have

u linked Home to 2nd house?

2nd house is 10th

from 5th so primary upachaya. So in dasha of 2nd

or 10th lord that might trigger 5th house.

Now that only need not be romance, it can be a person might get his or her

degree in education or might gain in speculation, or might win a lottery.

For a person to have romantic

relation, he or she must have some particular nature or yogs like say Mars and

Venus with Sa or say Ma and Ve in 1 house aspected by Saturn, so that can make

a person more passionate (personality) and then in such case, if antra of 2nd

lord runs or 10th lord then more chances of something that might

happen that he or she might meet someone in that antra. Again then, if Ju

aspects then it might not let it go out of hand etc etc etc like other

influence of planets modifying the overall nature of the person.

In all cases if 2nd lord

is in 2nd house then all such persons will have multiple marriages

etc might not hold true in all charts.