Re:head is going round and ... Vedic Mathematics - Fraud

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Dear Chandra Hari / Sepp Rothwangal,

 

My line of thinking wasnt to contradict you but to get

a fresh perspective from your side which will enrich

my own thinking.

 

To reply both to you and to one query raised by Sepp

Rothwangal to substantiate my finding that the value

of 50 arc seconds for precession of equinox is

mathematically implicit in the cosmological time scale

of the Vedas / Vishnu Purana and needless to say

predates Greek Hipparchus.

 

As in the Vishnupurana ( VP ), the duration of the

Kalpa is 4.32E+9 earth years ( EY ) which is also said

as 1 day of Brahma.

 

Again, the entire life span of Brahma is said to be

3.11E+14 EY.

 

A simple mathematical calculation will take us from

4.32E+9 EY to 3.11E+14 EY.

 

Divide 4.32E+9 EY with the value of the precession of

equinox ( which is said to be 50 arc seconds or 0.0139

degrees ) , will give you the figure 3.11E+11 EY.

Again multiplying this value by 1000 will get us to

3.11E+14 EY.

 

It looks simple now and makes sense once deciphered.

Once deciphered and made available to the mankind, the

origins of this esoteric knowledge becomes a matter of

academic debate and the resultant political

indoctrination makes us oblivious of the importance of

this divine revalation passed on to us from time

immemorial.

 

The Rig Veda doesnt stop at the above numeral of

3.11E+14 EY, it still goes further and there is a

logic to that as well. These are not just mind

boggling fancy numbers but a whole lot of cosmic

activities go side by side with the above numbers. A

number of sub atomic phenomena like time dilation,

mass - energy equivalance, Vishnu`s periodic

intervention on earth as Avatars happen to happen at

the above numerals. We would ponder at that once the

divinity and antiquity of the Vedas are acknowledged.

 

More later ...

 

Regards

 

Bejoy C.S.

www.keraladarsan.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 wrote:

 

>

> Dear friend,

>

> Vedic Mathematics of Sankaracharya is an example to

> which even such

> religious people may stoop in the name of glory of

> the Vedas. Vedic

> Mathematics is a fraud and my paper is

> internationally quoted in this

> context. There is no appendix to the Vedas as the

> Sankaracharya claimed

> and no such Sutras in any Vedas.

>

>

> , R

> Venkat

> <rdjvenkat wrote:

> >

> > dear friend

> >

> > geomithi, a part of of Vedas that deals with homa

> kunda drawings etc

> etc the 'West' called it

> > geometry. study it in detail.

> >

> > for your specific requirement i would suggest you

> to go thru the Book

> Vedic Mathematics

> > written by Late Puri Sankaracharya (the original

> and the first one).

> You comment atleast after

> > going thru book. then you will know 'what was not

> in Vedas'.

> >

> > Okay you want to say something good about other

> cultures go ahead

> nothing wrong in it. but

> > to belittle our own is simply not good.

> >

> > I am sure u hvnt gone thru the sacred Vedas

> either. simply for the

> heck of it or to prove

> > your points in an useless arguments dont insult

> our Sacred Vedas. One

> life time is not enough

> > even to know thoroughly the entire Saka of one

> veda.

> >

> > Venkat

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18

> >

> > Saturday, December 15, 2007 7:35:40 PM

> > Re: head is

> going round and

> round......

> >

> >

> > Dear friend,

> >

> > You don't know what kind of astronomy is in the

> Vedas. First learn as

> > to what is there in the Vedas and what could have

> been taught to

> Greeks

> > and Romans having such great names as Aristharchus

> and Hipparchus?

> >

> > No Indian ever equalled their merit in Astronomy -

> be it in Kerala or

> > Nalanda or Takshasila.

> >

> > It is easy to claim that everything is in the

> Vedas. Can you name a

> > single modern discovery or concept that has been

> made out of the

> > information in Vedas? Once someone discovers

> something in the West

> > everyone is up to interpret Vedas and establish

> that it is given in

> the

> > Vedas.

> >

> > Read about the great Greek men also sometimes.

> Just read about

> > Hipparchus and see how accurate he was in 2nd

> century BC? Also learn

> > about the Babylonian culture and their

> contributions to astronomy,

> > including how they maintained their records. It is

> because of their

> > eclipse records that today we are able to compute

> back in time

> > accurately.

> >

> > Why Indians had no such record keeping?

> >

> > Think over

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .

> com, Bejoy bejoy_cs@ .>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sri Chandra Hari,

> > >

> > > Are the trade exchanges between the Middle East

> and

> > > Kerala ( or India ) the only possible reason of

> the

> > > diffusion of antique esoteric knowledge ?

> > >

> > > Or could it be that the ancient universities of

> India

> > > like Nalanda and Taxila ( to name just 2, there

> could

> > > be more still ancient than Nalanda & taxila )

> which

> > > would have had students from Rome / Greece /

> Babylon

> > > who got taught about the astronomical info in

> the

> > > Vedas and these students inturn returning to

> their

> > > natives propagating their knowledge another

> possible

> > > cause ?

> > >

> > > Hipparchus lived in 2nd century BC but Vedas

> predates

> > > him by many years and certain info ( like the

> > > precession of equinox ) which present day

> science

> > > attributes as the observation of Hipparchus is

> infact

> > > implicit in the Vedas or puranas passed on to us

> from

> > > time immemorial. Aryabhata was candid enough to

> > > acknowledge the source of his info - which he

> himself

> > > attributes to the Vedas.

> > >

> > > The term Calendar itself has got a Sanskrit

> touch to

> > > it --- Cal ( Kal ) is time and Andar is gap or

> > > duration. The names of different months in the

> > > Calendar also got Sanskrit essence to it -

> > >

> > > like Dec( dasam = 10 )ember , but its the 12th

> month.

> > >

> > > Nov ( Navam = 9 )ember , but its the 11th month.

> > >

> > > Octo ( Ashta = 8 ) ember, but its the 10th

> month.

> > >

> > > Sept ( Sapta = 7 ) ember, but its the 9th month.

> > >

> > > The variation of 2 months is because the Romans

> > > decided to insert July and August to supposedly

> > > felicilate Julius and Augustus Caeser and

> thereby

> > > shifting Dec as the 12th, Nov as the 11th and so

> on.

> > >

> > > Coming to the point, the above names,

> terminologies

> > > numerals are as said in the Vedas which suggests

> a

> > > Roman/ Greek adaptation of the same from ancient

> > > Indian texts.

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Bejoy C.S.

> > > www.keraladarsan. com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards

> > >

> > > Bejoy C.S.

> > > www.keraladarsan. com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ ... wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Kumar,

> > > >

> > > > Read about Hipparchus on the net. He lived in

> 2nd

>

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Am 16.12.2007 um 11:45 schrieb Bejoy:

 

>

> Divide 4.32E+9 EY with the value of the precession of

> equinox ( which is said to be 50 arc seconds or 0.0139

> degrees ) , will give you the figure 3.11E+11 EY.

> Again multiplying this value by 1000 will get us to

> 3.11E+14 EY.

>

Dear bejoy,

sorry, but this sounds like modern esoteric humbug!

First: if there was an ancient value of precession it would rather have

been 54 arcsec.

Second: Please show me your calculation concretely!

servus

sepp

[Guest guest]

Dear Sepp,

 

Do not know about the 54 arc seconds theory.

 

The fact that 50 arc seconds mathematically relates

4.32E+9 and 3.11E11 should be concrete enough.

 

Regards

 

Bejoy C.S.

www.keraladarsan.com

 

 

--- Sepp Rothwangl <calendersign wrote:

 

>

> Am 16.12.2007 um 11:45 schrieb Bejoy:

>

> >

> > Divide 4.32E+9 EY with the value of the

> precession of

> > equinox ( which is said to be 50 arc seconds or

> 0.0139

> > degrees ) , will give you the figure 3.11E+11 EY.

> > Again multiplying this value by 1000 will get us

> to

> > 3.11E+14 EY.

> >

> Dear bejoy,

> sorry, but this sounds like modern esoteric humbug!

> First: if there was an ancient value of precession

> it would rather have

> been 54 arcsec.

> Second: Please show me your calculation concretely!

> servus

> sepp

>

>

 

 

 

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Am 16.12.2007 um 13:35 schrieb Bejoy:

 

> Dear Sepp,

>

> Do not know about the 54 arc seconds theory.

>

 

Dear Bejoy,

I posted this in my first posting: #5195

> The fact that 50 arc seconds mathematically relates

> 4.32E+9 and 3.11E11 should be concrete enough.

>

 

Sorry, that I am so ignorant.

Please show me how your calculation works.

 

Servus

Sepp

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some references in these articles may be useful to follow up....

 

http://india_resource.tripod.com/mathematics.htm

http://india_resource.tripod.com/upanishad.html

http://india_resource.tripod.com/physics.htm

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Sepp Rothwangl

<calendersign wrote:

>

>

> Am 16.12.2007 um 13:35 schrieb Bejoy:

>

> > Dear Sepp,

> >

> > Do not know about the 54 arc seconds theory.

> >

>

> Dear Bejoy,

> I posted this in my first posting: #5195

> > The fact that 50 arc seconds mathematically relates

> > 4.32E+9 and 3.11E11 should be concrete enough.

> >

>

> Sorry, that I am so ignorant.

> Please show me how your calculation works.

>

> Servus

> Sepp

>

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http://www.hinduism.co.za/vedic.htm#What%20is%20Vedic%20Mathematics?

 

where are the sutras? is this a fraud???

 

, " vinita kumar "

<shankar_mamta wrote:

>

> some references in these articles may be useful to follow up....

>

> http://india_resource.tripod.com/mathematics.htm

> http://india_resource.tripod.com/upanishad.html

> http://india_resource.tripod.com/physics.htm

>

>

>

, Sepp Rothwangl

> <calendersign@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Am 16.12.2007 um 13:35 schrieb Bejoy:

> >

> > > Dear Sepp,

> > >

> > > Do not know about the 54 arc seconds theory.

> > >

> >

> > Dear Bejoy,

> > I posted this in my first posting: #5195

> > > The fact that 50 arc seconds mathematically relates

> > > 4.32E+9 and 3.11E11 should be concrete enough.

> > >

> >

> > Sorry, that I am so ignorant.

> > Please show me how your calculation works.

> >

> > Servus

> > Sepp

> >

>

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Dear Sepp,

 

50 arc seconds = 0.0139 degrees.

 

4.32E+9 / 0.0139 = 3.11E+11.

 

3.11E+11 * 1000 = 3.11E+14.

 

Regards

 

Bejoy C.S.

www.keraladarsan.com

 

 

--- Sepp Rothwangl <calendersign wrote:

 

>

> Am 16.12.2007 um 13:35 schrieb Bejoy:

>

> > Dear Sepp,

> >

> > Do not know about the 54 arc seconds theory.

> >

>

> Dear Bejoy,

> I posted this in my first posting: #5195

> > The fact that 50 arc seconds mathematically

> relates

> > 4.32E+9 and 3.11E11 should be concrete enough.

> >

>

> Sorry, that I am so ignorant.

> Please show me how your calculation works.

>

> Servus

> Sepp

>

 

 

 

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Am 17.12.2007 um 12:31 schrieb Bejoy:

 

> Dear Sepp,

>

> 50 arc seconds = 0.0139 degrees.

>

> 4.32E+9 / 0.0139 = 3.11E+11.

>

> 3.11E+11 * 1000 = 3.11E+14.

>

> Regards

 

Hi Bejoy,

this is nothing else than:

4.32E+9 / (50/(60*60))

 

That 50/3600 results in the annual degree of precession is IMO no hint

that the ancients knew its value.

 

Servus

Sepp

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Dear Sepp,

 

I think you missed the point. Converting 50 arc

seconds into degrees that is 50/3600 is not the

mathematical relation here. Expressing one value in

different units is not what I meant.

 

4.32E+9 is related to 3.11E+11 is the crux of the

message. How is it related is by 50 arc seconds or

50/3600 = 0.0139 degrees.

 

That is

in 4.32E+9 Earth Year, Brahma covers 50 arc seconds.

in 1 Earth Year, Sun covers 50 arc seconds.

 

In other words, the value of precession while

applicable to the orbit of the Sun is also applicable

at a much higher orbit of Brahma as well. Thats my

conjecture.

 

The above are only two numerals pertaining to the life

of Brahma in the Vishnu Purana and it doesnt stop at

this.

 

Cheers

 

Bejoy C.S.

www.keraladarsan.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- Sepp Rothwangl <calendersign wrote:

 

>

> Am 17.12.2007 um 12:31 schrieb Bejoy:

>

> > Dear Sepp,

> >

> > 50 arc seconds = 0.0139 degrees.

> >

> > 4.32E+9 / 0.0139 = 3.11E+11.

> >

> > 3.11E+11 * 1000 = 3.11E+14.

> >

> > Regards

>

> Hi Bejoy,

> this is nothing else than:

> 4.32E+9 / (50/(60*60))

>

> That 50/3600 results in the annual degree of

> precession is IMO no hint

> that the ancients knew its value.

>

> Servus

> Sepp

 

 

 

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Am 18.12.2007 um 16:15 schrieb Bejoy:

 

>

> In other words, the value of precession while

> applicable to the orbit of the Sun is also applicable

> at a much higher orbit of Brahma as well. Thats my

> conjecture.

 

Yes, I know.

But it's a conjecture only.

No concrete hint or proof.

Sepp