Death due to accident--astrological reason

November 20, 2007

Dear Friends,

Husband died on 21.10.2007.

His birth details are 26.07.1980 . 15.56.hrs. IST at Khed Brahma-24N03;73E04

Scorpio Lagna 20deg 54' , hora lagna Taurus 3deg36 min-this gives short life.

Moon in Capricorn ;Saturn in Leo -long life

Lagna Lord Mars in Virgo, 8th Lord Mercury is in Gemini - Medium life

Thus short life

Depositor lagna lord is in 8th ;and despositor of Moon sign lord is in8th from Moon.

Venus in 7th in its own house is very power full marka, another marka. Jupiter and Marka Venus

are being aspected by saturn . Lagna and Sun are aspected by Rahu , Mars and Venus are aspected by Ketu.

In transit .Sat. ,Ven, KETU are conjoined and transit Mart in 8th house in Gemini.

According to true citra ayanamsa ,dasa of Mar/Ven /Ven/Jup/ Mars was operating.

Their seems to be no scape from unfortunate incident.

Regards. G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

Sreenadh <sreesogSent: Tuesday, 20 November, 2007 6:56:12 PM Re: Death due to accident--astrological reason

Dear Finn ji,Yes, I agree. Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "Finn Wandahl" <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh & others,> > I think a mistake like this happens for a reason... Krishna mentioned> that the Lagna becomes Scorpio if the correct latitude is used, but in> that case the birth time is probably wrong and the correct Lagna is> more likely to be Libra. > > After all such an early death by accident is a very important event> that should be clearly indicated in the chart, which is not the case> with Scorpio Lagna, at least in my opinion. > > Very friendly,> Finn Wandahl> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh"> <sreesog@> wrote:> >> > Dear Finn ji,> > A very good style of analysis! I hope that to encourage and improve > > practical chart reading styles and to learn from them, we can go for > > blind chart reading at least in some instances I believe - provided > > the charts trustworthy and are provided by the eminent group members > > who regularly participate in the discussions and knowledge sharing. > > What is your opinion?> > Thanks for the views shared.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Finn Wandahl" > > <finn.wandahl@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear D. Trivedi,> > > > > > >>The birth details are correct.<<> > > > > > > > > I agree, this chart with Libra-Ascendant, Moon in 3rd, Ketu in 4th,> > > Venus in 8th, Mercury in 9th, Jupiter & Saturn in 11th and Mars in > > the> > > 12th house, indicates a person who could very well die early due to > > a> > > Vehicle accident. For Vehicular accidents certain combinations in > > this> > > chart are very important:> > > > > > 1) In this particular case with Libra-Ascendant, the 1st lord Venus> > > (the person) is in the 8th house

indicating danger. > > > > > > 2) The 8th-lord Venus (Vehicles) being debilitated in Virgo Navamsa> > > indicates danger from Vehicles. So Venus give a double indication of> > > Vehicle accident.> > > > > > 3) 1st-lord Venus is in the Nakshatra of Mars, who is the natural> > > Karaka for accidents. > > > > > > 4) Further more Mars is the the Gnati-karaka as per the 7-karaka> > > scheme, which means in this case Mars has become the Chara-Karaka > > for> > > accidents > > > > > > 5) and finally Mars is in the 12th which is a very malefic> > > combination. So Mars gives a treble indication of Vehicle > > accident. > > > > > > 6) Chandra Lagna is in Sagittarius and this by itself is a > > combination>

> > of the 8th-lord in the 1st house. Further more Sagittarius is> > > considered to be the sign of Accidents, especially when there are> > > Malefics (Sun & Rahu) in the 8th house from Chandra Lagna. > > > > > > 7) Saturn, the 4th-lord, indicating Vehicles, is in the 11th house,> > > which is the 8th from the 4th house. > > > > > > 8) Further more Saturn is in Sagittarius Navamsa indicating > > accidents.> > > So this Saturn gives a double indication of Vehicular accidents.> > > > > > > > > >>There are no indication of Alpa Aayu or Madhya Aayu.<<> > > > > > > > > Please, this is not correct! > > > > > > Kindly observe that the 1st-lord Venus is in the 8th house in own> > > sign, but

debilitated in Navamsa. According to the nadis Navamsa> > > position always prevails, and therefore this Venus makes a double> > > indication of short span of life. > > > > > > Also please observe this man was running Mars-Dasa, Venus Bhukti, > > and> > > both these planets are Marakas, not only according to BPHS-rules but> > > also according to several kinds of nadi-rules.> > > > > > Further Transit-Jupiter in Scorpio and Transit-Saturn in Leo were > > both> > > aspecting his 1st-lord-Venus in the 8th house.> > > > > > Very friendly,> > > Finn Wandahl> > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi> > > <trivedi20@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Krishnaji and Sreenadh,> > > > > > > > The birth details are correct. There are no indication of Alpa> > > Aayu or Madhya Aayu.> > > > > > > > Also the Vimshottari Dasha is of Mars-Venus-Venus.> > > > > > > > D D Trivedi> > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > > Dear Krishan ji, Trivedi ji,> > > > Look at the Mrityu bhaga and 64th Navamsa lord - you hope you will> > > > locate the reason. By the way, I am yet to check the chart, it is > > just> > > > and educated guess.> > > >

Love,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Krishnamurthy> > > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Trivediji,> > > > > > > > > > I too couldn't justify death at young age. Are you sure that the> > > > birth details are accurate?> > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Krishna> > > > > > > > > > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:> > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers,> > > > > > > > > > I am giving below the birth details of

Husband , wife and> > > > daughter. The husband died on the spot in an accident on > > 21.10.2007> > > > while riding a scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat. Kindly > > analyse> > > > and if possible give astrological reasons for the death.> > > > > > > > > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north Gujarat> > > > Lat 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e> > > > > > > > > > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat> > > > > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat> > > > > > > > > > I could not get any astrological reason for the death.> > > > > > > > > > D D Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

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November 20, 2007

Dear Mr Trivedi,

It hardly matters whether the longitude is 23 or 73 degrees because

ultimately we all shall be able to give " astrological reasons " for the

death of the person post facto, something we are all experts in doing.

See how we have been able to interpret the early death with both Libra

lagna and Scorpio lagna.it is this culture that is reducing this great

science to a myth and making prediction a difficult subject- a culture

of self adulation rather than creating a scientific relationship

between different variables. Arbitariness like the one above is far

from being scientific a charge that is often levelled against Vedic

Astrology.

Regards,

P.N.Razdan

, dushyant trivedi

<trivedi20 wrote:

>

> Dear Learned Astrologers,

>

> Kindly note that the latitude and longitude of the place of birth

and the place of accident are as under. I stand corrected in the

degree of Longitude.

>

> The corrected degres are as under

>

> Latitude 24.03N

> Longitude 73.00E

>

> d d trivedi

>

> dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote:

> Dear Krishnaji and Sreenadh,

>

> The birth details are correct. There are no indication of Alpa

Aayu or Madhya Aayu.

>

> Also the Vimshottari Dasha is of Mars-Venus-Venus.

>

> D D Trivedi

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

> Dear Krishan ji, Trivedi ji,

> Look at the Mrityu bhaga and 64th Navamsa lord - you hope you will

> locate the reason. By the way, I am yet to check the chart, it is just

> and educated guess.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Trivediji,

> >

> > I too couldn't justify death at young age. Are you sure that the

> birth details are accurate?

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:

> > Dear Learned Astrologers,

> >

> > I am giving below the birth details of Husband , wife and

> daughter. The husband died on the spot in an accident on 21.10.2007

> while riding a scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat. Kindly analyse

> and if possible give astrological reasons for the death.

> >

> > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north Gujarat

> Lat 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e

> >

> > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat

> > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat

> >

> > I could not get any astrological reason for the death.

> >

> > D D Trivedi

> >

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November 21, 2007

Dear Razdan ji,

I agree with you 100%. Practical astrology is that which helps

us to read and predict even blind charts. And that is why even in

groups, only blind chart readings can help us locate the worthy

methodologies used by the participants, and discard the others.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " pnrazdan "

<pnrazdan wrote:

>

> Dear Mr Trivedi,

> It hardly matters whether the longitude is 23 or 73 degrees because

> ultimately we all shall be able to give " astrological reasons " for the

> death of the person post facto, something we are all experts in doing.

> See how we have been able to interpret the early death with both Libra

> lagna and Scorpio lagna.it is this culture that is reducing this great

> science to a myth and making prediction a difficult subject- a culture

> of self adulation rather than creating a scientific relationship

> between different variables. Arbitariness like the one above is far

> from being scientific a charge that is often levelled against Vedic

> Astrology.

> Regards,

> P.N.Razdan

>

> , dushyant trivedi

> <trivedi20@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Learned Astrologers,

> >

> > Kindly note that the latitude and longitude of the place of birth

> and the place of accident are as under. I stand corrected in the

> degree of Longitude.

> >

> > The corrected degres are as under

> >

> > Latitude 24.03N

> > Longitude 73.00E

> >

> > d d trivedi

> >

> > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:

> > Dear Krishnaji and Sreenadh,

> >

> > The birth details are correct. There are no indication of Alpa

> Aayu or Madhya Aayu.

> >

> > Also the Vimshottari Dasha is of Mars-Venus-Venus.

> >

> > D D Trivedi

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > Dear Krishan ji, Trivedi ji,

> > Look at the Mrityu bhaga and 64th Navamsa lord - you hope you will

> > locate the reason. By the way, I am yet to check the chart, it is just

> > and educated guess.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy

> > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Trivediji,

> > >

> > > I too couldn't justify death at young age. Are you sure that the

> > birth details are accurate?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:

> > > Dear Learned Astrologers,

> > >

> > > I am giving below the birth details of Husband , wife and

> > daughter. The husband died on the spot in an accident on 21.10.2007

> > while riding a scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat. Kindly analyse

> > and if possible give astrological reasons for the death.

> > >

> > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north Gujarat

> > Lat 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e

> > >

> > > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat

> > > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat

> > >

> > > I could not get any astrological reason for the death.

> > >

> > > D D Trivedi

> > >

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November 21, 2007

Please excuse me if I am harping on the same string.

Further analysis of death due to accident:

Predicting through Jaimini's Chara Dasha- Sri K. N. Rao

Chapter 16:

Caution:

One of the commonest priniciples that seems to repeat itself in Jaimini's Chara Dasha is: when the sub-period of a rashi which is the sixth or the eighth from the major rashi dahsa comes, one has to be more careful, more if it is aspected by the AK.

In the native's chart Chara dasha is - Gemini/Libra/Capricorn

1. Capricorn is the 8th from Gemini.

the native's AK is Saturn placed in Leo.

2. Hence Capricorn is aspected by AK. [Jaimini aspects]

Another vital factor on 21st October 2007 - Sa the AK was at 11. 36' Leo just approaching his MB [Mrityu Bhaga], 12 degrees in Leo. Not only his natal Sa was placed in Leo aspecting Capricorn but transit Saturn too was in Capricorn on a dangerous degree on this day.

Again be cautious:

The other well known principle is: when AK falls in the 8th from the current rashi major or sub-period, predictions must be given carefully.

1.AK Saturn is placed in 8th from Capricorn in transit and in natal chart.

AK represents body of the native.

Venus the owner of the 6H from KKL and the lord of sub dasha Libra represents vehicles, which too had just passed Saturn's MB in Leo a few days prior to the fatal day.

Would welcome any comments if I have misinterpreted.

blessings

Renu

November 21, 2007

Dear Renu ji,

All this is ok - but in the perspective of any 'practical

astrologer' (or practicing astrologer) he needs clear indications for

the results to predict. So the question becomes -

* Is there any clear combination in the chart indicating 'death by

vehicle accident'

* Why should it be in the said Dasa-Antara? Is there any SURE

indication that death should or would happen in that dasa-Antara?

* Are the indications SRONG ENOUGH that any astrologer could have

predicated the same - PRIOR to the mishap?

* Why should it be at the age of 27 itself? Apart from Dasa-Antara

any special combinations (Alpayur Yogas) involved?

If these are not present or if these cannot be ensured then the

'practical astrologer' is still in dark with all the possible

explanations (which may count to thousands later).

Note: I hope being a 'practicing astrologer' Vijaya Raghavan ji

would have some thing add to this note.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " renunw " <renunw

wrote:

>

> Please excuse me if I am harping on the same string.

>

> Further analysis of death due to accident: Predicting through

> Jaimini's Chara Dasha- Sri K. N. Rao Chapter 16: Caution: One of the

> commonest priniciples that seems to repeat itself in Jaimini's Chara

> Dasha is: when the sub-period of a rashi which is the sixth or the

> eighth from the major rashi dahsa comes, one has to be more careful,

> more if it is aspected by the AK. In the native's chart Chara dasha is -

> Gemini/Libra/Capricorn 1. Capricorn is the 8th from Gemini. the

> native's AK is Saturn placed in Leo. 2. Hence Capricorn is aspected by

> AK. [Jaimini aspects] Another vital factor on 21st October 2007 - Sa

> the AK was at 11. 36' Leo just approaching his MB [Mrityu Bhaga], 12

> degrees in Leo. Not only his natal Sa was placed in Leo aspecting

> Capricorn but transit Saturn too was in Capricorn on a dangerous degree

> on this day. Again be cautious: The other well known principle is:

> when AK falls in the 8th from the current rashi major or sub-period,

> predictions must be given carefully. 1.AK Saturn is placed in 8th from

> Capricorn in transit and in natal chart. AK represents body of the

> native. Venus the owner of the 6H from KKL and the lord of sub dasha

> Libra represents vehicles, which too had just passed Saturn's MB in Leo

> a few days prior to the fatal day. Would welcome any comments if I

> have misinterpreted. blessings Renu

>

November 21, 2007

nice veryconvincing more particularly the point that sagatarius vizdhanus rasi is so called accidental sign as i have observed lagnathipathi in 8th house though own house it is 8th of course and str of a maleic planet viz mars karagha for accident who is in 12th sign of lagna all the more 11th house the 8th of 4th occupied by 4th lord the dispositor of karmic planets raghu the dispositors of raghu and kethu the karmic control planets will give imporant events in life in general out of so many msg yrs is highly convincing adaptable in general thank y sir with regards SAIRAMANFinn Wandahl <finn.wandahl wrote: Dear D. Trivedi, >>The birth details are correct.<< I agree, this chart with Libra-Ascendant, Moon in 3rd, Ketu in 4th, Venus in 8th, Mercury in 9th, Jupiter & Saturn in 11th and Mars in the 12th house, indicates a person who could very well die early due to a Vehicle accident. For Vehicular accidents certain combinations in this chart are very important: 1) In this particular case with Libra-Ascendant, the 1st lord Venus (the person) is in the 8th house indicating danger. 2) The 8th-lord Venus (Vehicles) being debilitated in Virgo Navamsa indicates danger from Vehicles. So Venus give a double indication of Vehicle accident. 3) 1st-lord Venus is in the Nakshatra of Mars, who is the natural Karaka for accidents. 4)

Further more Mars is the the Gnati-karaka as per the 7-karaka scheme, which means in this case Mars has become the Chara-Karaka for accidents 5) and finally Mars is in the 12th which is a very malefic combination. So Mars gives a treble indication of Vehicle accident. 6) Chandra Lagna is in Sagittarius and this by itself is a combination of the 8th-lord in the 1st house. Further more Sagittarius is considered to be the sign of Accidents, especially when there are Malefics (Sun & Rahu) in the 8th house from Chandra Lagna. 7) Saturn, the 4th-lord, indicating Vehicles, is in the 11th house, which is the 8th from the 4th house. 8) Further more Saturn is in Sagittarius Navamsa indicating accidents. So this Saturn gives a double indication of Vehicular accidents. >>There are no indication of Alpa Aayu or Madhya Aayu.<< Please, this is not correct! Kindly observe

that the 1st-lord Venus is in the 8th house in own sign, but debilitated in Navamsa. According to the nadis Navamsa position always prevails, and therefore this Venus makes a double indication of short span of life. Also please observe this man was running Mars-Dasa, Venus Bhukti, and both these planets are Marakas, not only according to BPHS-rules but also according to several kinds of nadi-rules. Further Transit-Jupiter in Scorpio and Transit-Saturn in Leo were both aspecting his 1st-lord-Venus in the 8th house. Very friendly, Finn Wandahl , dushyant trivedi <trivedi20 wrote: > > Dear Krishnaji and Sreenadh, > > The birth details are correct. There are no indication of Alpa Aayu or Madhya Aayu. > > Also the

Vimshottari Dasha is of Mars-Venus-Venus. > > D D Trivedi > > Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: > Dear Krishan ji, Trivedi ji, > Look at the Mrityu bhaga and 64th Navamsa lord - you hope you will > locate the reason. By the way, I am yet to check the chart, it is just > and educated guess. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , Krishnamurthy > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote: > > > > Dear Trivediji, > > > > I too couldn't justify death at young age. Are you sure that the > birth details are accurate? > > > > Regards, > > Krishna > > > > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote: > > Dear Learned Astrologers, > >

> > I am giving below the birth details of Husband , wife and > daughter. The husband died on the spot in an accident on 21.10.2007 > while riding a scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat. Kindly analyse > and if possible give astrological reasons for the death. > > > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north Gujarat > Lat 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e > > > > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat > > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat > > > > I could not get any astrological reason for the death. > > > > D D Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > >

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November 21, 2007

Dear Sreenadh ji,

You are correct. My analysis would indicate ONLY possibilities.

Everything is there..Venus[vehicle]; inimical dashas; unfavourable

planetary placements; body [AK] getting afflicted -Sa nearing MB on

the fatal day; Mars being LL and also GK [accident lord]..placed in

6th from 6H etc.etc.etc. need not go back to all.

BUT this is only a post mortem. You are absolutely correct. If I

were given this horoscope before the native's demise, I would have

never ever predicted the unfortunate incident.

Secondly, there is no sure indication that death would happen in

that particular dasha or antar dasha. At least I do not see it or

rather I am not competent enough to say so.

The only good thing is, we can learn from eveyone's analyses some

astrolgical factors/principles contributing to a premature

accidental death.

Only a genius in a doctor would diagnose a hidden disease. Even then

he may not be in a position to prescribe the appropriate drug to

cure the patient. But many medical professionals would be able to

find the cause of death at the post mortem.

Similarly the world would be a better place if astrologers could

predict and prevent mishaps before hand. No one can change

the 'karma'. Whether a future event is predicted or not, what is

destined to happen WILL happen. Of course planets teach us loads of

lessons. It is a life story in itself. Their relationships,

interactions, placements teach us some unforgettable lessons. That

is the beauty in it.

Yet, the only thing that we can do is to live a good life. Let love

and compassion be our guiding star. If not this journey of life will

be too tiresome and never ending.

blessings

Renu

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

> All this is ok - but in the perspective of any 'practical

> astrologer' (or practicing astrologer) he needs clear indications

for

> the results to predict. So the question becomes -

> * Is there any clear combination in the chart indicating 'death

by

> vehicle accident'

> * Why should it be in the said Dasa-Antara? Is there any SURE

> indication that death should or would happen in that dasa-Antara?

> * Are the indications SRONG ENOUGH that any astrologer could have

> predicated the same - PRIOR to the mishap?

> * Why should it be at the age of 27 itself? Apart from Dasa-

Antara

> any special combinations (Alpayur Yogas) involved?

> If these are not present or if these cannot be ensured then the

> 'practical astrologer' is still in dark with all the possible

> explanations (which may count to thousands later).

> Note: I hope being a 'practicing astrologer' Vijaya Raghavan ji

> would have some thing add to this note.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Please excuse me if I am harping on the same string.

> >

> > Further analysis of death due to accident: Predicting through

> > Jaimini's Chara Dasha- Sri K. N. Rao Chapter 16: Caution: One

of the

> > commonest priniciples that seems to repeat itself in Jaimini's

Chara

> > Dasha is: when the sub-period of a rashi which is the sixth or

the

> > eighth from the major rashi dahsa comes, one has to be more

careful,

> > more if it is aspected by the AK. In the native's chart Chara

dasha is -

> > Gemini/Libra/Capricorn 1. Capricorn is the 8th from Gemini. the

> > native's AK is Saturn placed in Leo. 2. Hence Capricorn is

aspected by

> > AK. [Jaimini aspects] Another vital factor on 21st October

2007 - Sa

> > the AK was at 11. 36' Leo just approaching his MB [Mrityu

Bhaga], 12

> > degrees in Leo. Not only his natal Sa was placed in Leo aspecting

> > Capricorn but transit Saturn too was in Capricorn on a dangerous

degree

> > on this day. Again be cautious: The other well known

principle is:

> > when AK falls in the 8th from the current rashi major or sub-

period,

> > predictions must be given carefully. 1.AK Saturn is placed in

8th from

> > Capricorn in transit and in natal chart. AK represents body

of the

> > native. Venus the owner of the 6H from KKL and the lord of sub

dasha

> > Libra represents vehicles, which too had just passed Saturn's MB

in Leo

> > a few days prior to the fatal day. Would welcome any comments

if I

> > have misinterpreted. blessings Renu

> >

>

November 21, 2007

Thank you, Sairamanji,

Yes, I have often seen Sagittarius Rashi playing a malefic role in

connection to accidents, violent attacks, suicides etc. I think it is

indicated in the symbolism itself, meaning Sagittarius is described as

half horse (vehicle) and half man armed with bow and arrow and thus

violent and accident-prone.

The same kind of symbolism can be seen in Varaha Mihira's description

of the 36 drekkanas, where a number of the drekkanas are armed with

different kinds of weapons. These armed drekkanas are dangerous and

indicating accidents etc. I often use these drekkanas in connection

with Prashna, but I suspect thay could also show some interesting

details in the Libra-Lagna chart.

By the way, there was one more very important indication of Vehicular

accident available in the Libra-Lagna chart, that I didn't get orround

to in my analysis. Please observe that Ketu is in the 4th house.

According to Puranic mythology Ketu got his head chopped off, which is

an indication of being accident-prone. Also Horasara mentioned

" Kujavatketu " . But most important, if I remember correctly, is the

fact that Ketu is placed in the Nakshatra of Mars, which makes it all

the more malefic with Mars in the 12th.

Very friendly,

Finn Wandahl

, sairam nat

<sairaman53 wrote:

>

> nice veryconvincing

>

> more particularly the point that sagatarius vizdhanus rasi is so

called accidental sign as i have observed

>

> lagnathipathi in 8th house though own house it is 8th of course and

str of a maleic planet viz mars karagha for accident who is in 12th

sign of lagna

>

> all the more 11th house the 8th of 4th occupied by 4th lord the

dispositor of karmic planets raghu the dispositors of raghu and kethu

the karmic control planets will give imporant events in life in general

>

> out of so many msg yrs is highly convincing adaptable in general

>

> thank y sir with regards

>

> SAIRAMAN

>

Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl wrote:

Dear D. Trivedi,

>

> >>The birth details are correct.<<

>

> I agree, this chart with Libra-Ascendant, Moon in 3rd, Ketu in 4th,

> Venus in 8th, Mercury in 9th, Jupiter & Saturn in 11th and Mars in the

> 12th house, indicates a person who could very well die early due to a

> Vehicle accident. For Vehicular accidents certain combinations in this

> chart are very important:

>

> 1) In this particular case with Libra-Ascendant, the 1st lord Venus

> (the person) is in the 8th house indicating danger.

>

> 2) The 8th-lord Venus (Vehicles) being debilitated in Virgo Navamsa

> indicates danger from Vehicles. So Venus give a double indication of

> Vehicle accident.

>

> 3) 1st-lord Venus is in the Nakshatra of Mars, who is the natural

> Karaka for accidents.

>

> 4) Further more Mars is the the Gnati-karaka as per the 7-karaka

> scheme, which means in this case Mars has become the Chara-Karaka for

> accidents

>

> 5) and finally Mars is in the 12th which is a very malefic

> combination. So Mars gives a treble indication of Vehicle accident.

>

> 6) Chandra Lagna is in Sagittarius and this by itself is a combination

> of the 8th-lord in the 1st house. Further more Sagittarius is

> considered to be the sign of Accidents, especially when there are

> Malefics (Sun & Rahu) in the 8th house from Chandra Lagna.

>

> 7) Saturn, the 4th-lord, indicating Vehicles, is in the 11th house,

> which is the 8th from the 4th house.

>

> 8) Further more Saturn is in Sagittarius Navamsa indicating accidents.

> So this Saturn gives a double indication of Vehicular accidents.

>

> >>There are no indication of Alpa Aayu or Madhya Aayu.<<

>

> Please, this is not correct!

>

> Kindly observe that the 1st-lord Venus is in the 8th house in own

> sign, but debilitated in Navamsa. According to the nadis Navamsa

> position always prevails, and therefore this Venus makes a double

> indication of short span of life.

>

> Also please observe this man was running Mars-Dasa, Venus Bhukti, and

> both these planets are Marakas, not only according to BPHS-rules but

> also according to several kinds of nadi-rules.

>

> Further Transit-Jupiter in Scorpio and Transit-Saturn in Leo were both

> aspecting his 1st-lord-Venus in the 8th house.

>

> Very friendly,

> Finn Wandahl

>

> , dushyant trivedi

> <trivedi20@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishnaji and Sreenadh,

> >

> > The birth details are correct. There are no indication of Alpa

> Aayu or Madhya Aayu.

> >

> > Also the Vimshottari Dasha is of Mars-Venus-Venus.

> >

> > D D Trivedi

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > Dear Krishan ji, Trivedi ji,

> > Look at the Mrityu bhaga and 64th Navamsa lord - you hope you will

> > locate the reason. By the way, I am yet to check the chart, it is

just

> > and educated guess.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy

> > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Trivediji,

> > >

> > > I too couldn't justify death at young age. Are you sure that the

> > birth details are accurate?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:

> > > Dear Learned Astrologers,

> > >

> > > I am giving below the birth details of Husband , wife and

> > daughter. The husband died on the spot in an accident on 21.10.2007

> > while riding a scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat. Kindly analyse

> > and if possible give astrological reasons for the death.

> > >

> > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north Gujarat

> > Lat 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e

> > >

> > > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat

> > > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat

> > >

> > > I could not get any astrological reason for the death.

> > >

> > > D D Trivedi

> > >

> > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> > >

> > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with

Mobile.

> > Try it now.

> > >

> >

> > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Mobile.

> Try it now.

> >

> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

>

November 21, 2007

Please observe that Ketu is in the 4th house.According to Puranic mythology Ketu got his head chopped off, which is an indication of being accident-prone.

This looks to be great wisdom. Application of mythology to astrology = mystrology?

According to mythology, Ketu got his head chopped of?

Ketu is called Sikhi and Sikhi means head. So Ketu lost the head or Rahu lost the head? At the beginning of Kaliyuga Ketu or Sikhi was at zero Aries. So it was Head or Tail?

In mystrology even headless things are potent? According to mystrology, Rama's star was Punarvasu and his wife got abducted by a Rakshasa. So all Punaravasu nakshtra people must take care of their wives so that they are not abducted. Best friends for Punarvasu people are the Monkeys... endless astrological wisdom awaits us in mystrology.

chandra hari

, "Finn Wandahl" <finn.wandahl wrote:>> Thank you, Sairamanji,> > Yes, I have often seen Sagittarius Rashi playing a malefic role in> connection to accidents, violent attacks, suicides etc. I think it is> indicated in the symbolism itself, meaning Sagittarius is described as> half horse (vehicle) and half man armed with bow and arrow and thus> violent and accident-prone.> > The same kind of symbolism can be seen in Varaha Mihira's description> of the 36 drekkanas, where a number of the drekkanas are armed with> different kinds of weapons. These armed drekkanas are dangerous and> indicating accidents etc. I often use these drekkanas in connection> with Prashna, but I suspect thay could also show some interesting> details in the Libra-Lagna chart.> > By the way, there was one more very important indication of Vehicular> accident available in the Libra-Lagna chart, that I didn't get orround> to in my analysis. Please observe that Ketu is in the 4th house.> According to Puranic mythology Ketu got his head chopped off, which is> an indication of being accident-prone. Also Horasara mentioned> "Kujavatketu". But most important, if I remember correctly, is the> fact that Ketu is placed in the Nakshatra of Mars, which makes it all> the more malefic with Mars in the 12th.> > Very friendly,> Finn Wandahl> > > , sairam nat> sairaman53@ wrote:> >> > nice veryconvincing > > > > more particularly the point that sagatarius vizdhanus rasi is so> called accidental sign as i have observed > > > > lagnathipathi in 8th house though own house it is 8th of course and> str of a maleic planet viz mars karagha for accident who is in 12th> sign of lagna > > > > all the more 11th house the 8th of 4th occupied by 4th lord the> dispositor of karmic planets raghu the dispositors of raghu and kethu> the karmic control planets will give imporant events in life in general > > > > out of so many msg yrs is highly convincing adaptable in general > > > > > > thank y sir with regards > > > > > > SAIRAMAN> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl finn.wandahl@ wrote: > Dear D. Trivedi,> > > > >>The birth details are correct.<<> > > > I agree, this chart with Libra-Ascendant, Moon in 3rd, Ketu in 4th,> > Venus in 8th, Mercury in 9th, Jupiter & Saturn in 11th and Mars in the> > 12th house, indicates a person who could very well die early due to a> > Vehicle accident. For Vehicular accidents certain combinations in this> > chart are very important:> > > > 1) In this particular case with Libra-Ascendant, the 1st lord Venus> > (the person) is in the 8th house indicating danger. > > > > 2) The 8th-lord Venus (Vehicles) being debilitated in Virgo Navamsa> > indicates danger from Vehicles. So Venus give a double indication of> > Vehicle accident.> > > > 3) 1st-lord Venus is in the Nakshatra of Mars, who is the natural> > Karaka for accidents. > > > > 4) Further more Mars is the the Gnati-karaka as per the 7-karaka> > scheme, which means in this case Mars has become the Chara-Karaka for> > accidents > > > > 5) and finally Mars is in the 12th which is a very malefic> > combination. So Mars gives a treble indication of Vehicle accident. > > > > 6) Chandra Lagna is in Sagittarius and this by itself is a combination> > of the 8th-lord in the 1st house. Further more Sagittarius is> > considered to be the sign of Accidents, especially when there are> > Malefics (Sun & Rahu) in the 8th house from Chandra Lagna. > > > > 7) Saturn, the 4th-lord, indicating Vehicles, is in the 11th house,> > which is the 8th from the 4th house. > > > > 8) Further more Saturn is in Sagittarius Navamsa indicating accidents.> > So this Saturn gives a double indication of Vehicular accidents.> > > > >>There are no indication of Alpa Aayu or Madhya Aayu.<<> > > > Please, this is not correct! > > > > Kindly observe that the 1st-lord Venus is in the 8th house in own> > sign, but debilitated in Navamsa. According to the nadis Navamsa> > position always prevails, and therefore this Venus makes a double> > indication of short span of life. > > > > Also please observe this man was running Mars-Dasa, Venus Bhukti, and> > both these planets are Marakas, not only according to BPHS-rules but> > also according to several kinds of nadi-rules.> > > > Further Transit-Jupiter in Scorpio and Transit-Saturn in Leo were both> > aspecting his 1st-lord-Venus in the 8th house.> > > > Very friendly,> > Finn Wandahl> > > > , dushyant trivedi> > <trivedi20@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Krishnaji and Sreenadh,> > > > > > The birth details are correct. There are no indication of Alpa> > Aayu or Madhya Aayu.> > > > > > Also the Vimshottari Dasha is of Mars-Venus-Venus.> > > > > > D D Trivedi> > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > > Dear Krishan ji, Trivedi ji,> > > Look at the Mrityu bhaga and 64th Navamsa lord - you hope you will> > > locate the reason. By the way, I am yet to check the chart, it is> just> > > and educated guess.> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , Krishnamurthy> > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Trivediji,> > > > > > > > I too couldn't justify death at young age. Are you sure that the> > > birth details are accurate?> > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > Krishna> > > > > > > > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:> > > > Dear Learned Astrologers,> > > > > > > > I am giving below the birth details of Husband , wife and> > > daughter. The husband died on the spot in an accident on 21.10.2007> > > while riding a scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat. Kindly analyse> > > and if possible give astrological reasons for the death.> > > > > > > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north Gujarat> > > Lat 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e> > > > > > > > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat> > > > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat> > > > > > > > I could not get any astrological reason for the death.> > > > > > > > D D Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with > Mobile.> > > Try it now.> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Mobile.> > Try it now.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> >>

November 21, 2007

Namaste Finnji,

Do you have the description of 36 drekannas from varahmihira?

Are they available on the net? Is it in Brihat Jataka?

Thanks

....

On 11/21/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl wrote:

Thank you, Sairamanji,Yes, I have often seen Sagittarius Rashi playing a malefic role inconnection to accidents, violent attacks, suicides etc. I think it isindicated in the symbolism itself, meaning Sagittarius is described as

half horse (vehicle) and half man armed with bow and arrow and thusviolent and accident-prone.The same kind of symbolism can be seen in Varaha Mihira's descriptionof the 36 drekkanas, where a number of the drekkanas are armed with

different kinds of weapons. These armed drekkanas are dangerous andindicating accidents etc. I often use these drekkanas in connectionwith Prashna, but I suspect thay could also show some interestingdetails in the Libra-Lagna chart.

By the way, there was one more very important indication of Vehicularaccident available in the Libra-Lagna chart, that I didn't get orroundto in my analysis. Please observe that Ketu is in the 4th house.

According to Puranic mythology Ketu got his head chopped off, which isan indication of being accident-prone. Also Horasara mentioned " Kujavatketu " . But most important, if I remember correctly, is the

fact that Ketu is placed in the Nakshatra of Mars, which makes it allthe more malefic with Mars in the 12th.Very friendly,Finn Wandahl

, sairam nat<sairaman53 wrote:>> nice veryconvincing > > more particularly the point that sagatarius vizdhanus rasi is socalled accidental sign as i have observed > > lagnathipathi in 8th house though own house it is 8th of course andstr of a maleic planet viz mars karagha for accident who is in 12thsign of lagna > > all the more 11th house the 8th of 4th occupied by 4th lord the

dispositor of karmic planets raghu the dispositors of raghu and kethuthe karmic control planets will give imporant events in life in general > > out of so many msg yrs is highly convincing adaptable in general > > > thank y sir with regards > > > SAIRAMAN > > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl wrote: Dear D. Trivedi,> > >>The birth details are correct.<<

> > I agree, this chart with Libra-Ascendant, Moon in 3rd, Ketu in 4th,> Venus in 8th, Mercury in 9th, Jupiter & Saturn in 11th and Mars in the> 12th house, indicates a person who could very well die early due to a

> Vehicle accident. For Vehicular accidents certain combinations in this> chart are very important:> > 1) In this particular case with Libra-Ascendant, the 1st lord Venus> (the person) is in the 8th house indicating danger. > > 2) The 8th-lord Venus (Vehicles) being debilitated in Virgo Navamsa> indicates danger from Vehicles. So Venus give a double indication of> Vehicle accident.> > 3) 1st-lord Venus is in the Nakshatra of Mars, who is the natural

> Karaka for accidents. > > 4) Further more Mars is the the Gnati-karaka as per the 7-karaka> scheme, which means in this case Mars has become the Chara-Karaka for> accidents >

> 5) and finally Mars is in the 12th which is a very malefic> combination. So Mars gives a treble indication of Vehicle accident. > > 6) Chandra Lagna is in Sagittarius and this by itself is a combination

> of the 8th-lord in the 1st house. Further more Sagittarius is> considered to be the sign of Accidents, especially when there are> Malefics (Sun & Rahu) in the 8th house from Chandra Lagna. > > 7) Saturn, the 4th-lord, indicating Vehicles, is in the 11th house,> which is the 8th from the 4th house. > > 8) Further more Saturn is in Sagittarius Navamsa indicating accidents.> So this Saturn gives a double indication of Vehicular accidents.

> > >>There are no indication of Alpa Aayu or Madhya Aayu.<<> > Please, this is not correct! > > Kindly observe that the 1st-lord Venus is in the 8th house in own> sign, but debilitated in Navamsa. According to the nadis Navamsa

> position always prevails, and therefore this Venus makes a double> indication of short span of life. > > Also please observe this man was running Mars-Dasa, Venus Bhukti, and> both these planets are Marakas, not only according to BPHS-rules but

> also according to several kinds of nadi-rules.> > Further Transit-Jupiter in Scorpio and Transit-Saturn in Leo were both> aspecting his 1st-lord-Venus in the 8th house.> > Very friendly,

> Finn Wandahl> >

, dushyant trivedi> <trivedi20@> wrote:> >> > Dear Krishnaji and Sreenadh,> > > > The birth details are correct. There are no indication of Alpa

> Aayu or Madhya Aayu.> > > > Also the Vimshottari Dasha is of Mars-Venus-Venus.> > > > D D Trivedi> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear Krishan ji, Trivedi ji,

> > Look at the Mrityu bhaga and 64th Navamsa lord - you hope you will> > locate the reason. By the way, I am yet to check the chart, it isjust> > and educated guess.> > Love,

> > Sreenadh> > > >

, Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Trivediji,> > > > > > I too couldn't justify death at young age. Are you sure that the

> > birth details are accurate?> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:> > > Dear Learned Astrologers,

> > > > > > I am giving below the birth details of Husband , wife and> > daughter. The husband died on the spot in an accident on 21.10.2007> > while riding a scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat. Kindly analyse

> > and if possible give astrological reasons for the death.> > > > > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north Gujarat> > Lat 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e> > > > > > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat> > > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat> > > > > > I could not get any astrological reason for the death.

> > > > > > D D Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Mobile.

> > Try it now.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Mobile.

> Try it now.> >> > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.>

November 21, 2007

Dear Panditji,

Yes, I have got the 36 Drekkanas of Varahamihira as a text-file

somewhere on my computer. I will try to find it and post it in a

message here tomorrow.

Very friendly,

Finn Wandahl

, Panditji

<navagraha wrote:

>

> Namaste Finnji,

>

> Do you have the description of 36 drekannas from varahmihira?

>

> Are they available on the net? Is it in Brihat Jataka?

>

> Thanks

>

> ...

>

> On 11/21/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl wrote:

> >

> > Thank you, Sairamanji,

> >

> > Yes, I have often seen Sagittarius Rashi playing a malefic role in

> > connection to accidents, violent attacks, suicides etc. I think it is

> > indicated in the symbolism itself, meaning Sagittarius is described as

> > half horse (vehicle) and half man armed with bow and arrow and thus

> > violent and accident-prone.

> >

> > The same kind of symbolism can be seen in Varaha Mihira's description

> > of the 36 drekkanas, where a number of the drekkanas are armed with

> > different kinds of weapons. These armed drekkanas are dangerous and

> > indicating accidents etc. I often use these drekkanas in connection

> > with Prashna, but I suspect thay could also show some interesting

> > details in the Libra-Lagna chart.

> >

> > By the way, there was one more very important indication of Vehicular

> > accident available in the Libra-Lagna chart, that I didn't get orround

> > to in my analysis. Please observe that Ketu is in the 4th house.

> > According to Puranic mythology Ketu got his head chopped off, which is

> > an indication of being accident-prone. Also Horasara mentioned

> > " Kujavatketu " . But most important, if I remember correctly, is the

> > fact that Ketu is placed in the Nakshatra of Mars, which makes it all

> > the more malefic with Mars in the 12th.

> >

> > Very friendly,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > sairam nat

> > <sairaman53@> wrote:

> > >

> > > nice veryconvincing

> > >

> > > more particularly the point that sagatarius vizdhanus rasi is so

> > called accidental sign as i have observed

> > >

> > > lagnathipathi in 8th house though own house it is 8th of course and

> > str of a maleic planet viz mars karagha for accident who is in 12th

> > sign of lagna

> > >

> > > all the more 11th house the 8th of 4th occupied by 4th lord the

> > dispositor of karmic planets raghu the dispositors of raghu and kethu

> > the karmic control planets will give imporant events in life in

general

> > >

> > > out of so many msg yrs is highly convincing adaptable in general

> > >

> > > thank y sir with regards

> > >

> > > SAIRAMAN

> > >

> > > Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > Dear D. Trivedi,

> > >

> > > >>The birth details are correct.<<

> > >

> > > I agree, this chart with Libra-Ascendant, Moon in 3rd, Ketu in 4th,

> > > Venus in 8th, Mercury in 9th, Jupiter & Saturn in 11th and Mars

in the

> > > 12th house, indicates a person who could very well die early due

to a

> > > Vehicle accident. For Vehicular accidents certain combinations

in this

> > > chart are very important:

> > >

> > > 1) In this particular case with Libra-Ascendant, the 1st lord Venus

> > > (the person) is in the 8th house indicating danger.

> > >

> > > 2) The 8th-lord Venus (Vehicles) being debilitated in Virgo Navamsa

> > > indicates danger from Vehicles. So Venus give a double indication of

> > > Vehicle accident.

> > >

> > > 3) 1st-lord Venus is in the Nakshatra of Mars, who is the natural

> > > Karaka for accidents.

> > >

> > > 4) Further more Mars is the the Gnati-karaka as per the 7-karaka

> > > scheme, which means in this case Mars has become the

Chara-Karaka for

> > > accidents

> > >

> > > 5) and finally Mars is in the 12th which is a very malefic

> > > combination. So Mars gives a treble indication of Vehicle accident.

> > >

> > > 6) Chandra Lagna is in Sagittarius and this by itself is a

combination

> > > of the 8th-lord in the 1st house. Further more Sagittarius is

> > > considered to be the sign of Accidents, especially when there are

> > > Malefics (Sun & Rahu) in the 8th house from Chandra Lagna.

> > >

> > > 7) Saturn, the 4th-lord, indicating Vehicles, is in the 11th house,

> > > which is the 8th from the 4th house.

> > >

> > > 8) Further more Saturn is in Sagittarius Navamsa indicating

accidents.

> > > So this Saturn gives a double indication of Vehicular accidents.

> > >

> > > >>There are no indication of Alpa Aayu or Madhya Aayu.<<

> > >

> > > Please, this is not correct!

> > >

> > > Kindly observe that the 1st-lord Venus is in the 8th house in own

> > > sign, but debilitated in Navamsa. According to the nadis Navamsa

> > > position always prevails, and therefore this Venus makes a double

> > > indication of short span of life.

> > >

> > > Also please observe this man was running Mars-Dasa, Venus

Bhukti, and

> > > both these planets are Marakas, not only according to BPHS-rules but

> > > also according to several kinds of nadi-rules.

> > >

> > > Further Transit-Jupiter in Scorpio and Transit-Saturn in Leo

were both

> > > aspecting his 1st-lord-Venus in the 8th house.

> > >

> > > Very friendly,

> > > Finn Wandahl

> > >

> > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > dushyant trivedi

> > > <trivedi20@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnaji and Sreenadh,

> > > >

> > > > The birth details are correct. There are no indication of Alpa

> > > Aayu or Madhya Aayu.

> > > >

> > > > Also the Vimshottari Dasha is of Mars-Venus-Venus.

> > > >

> > > > D D Trivedi

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Krishan ji, Trivedi ji,

> > > > Look at the Mrityu bhaga and 64th Navamsa lord - you hope you will

> > > > locate the reason. By the way, I am yet to check the chart, it is

> > just

> > > > and educated guess.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%40.\

com>,

> > Krishnamurthy

> > > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Trivediji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I too couldn't justify death at young age. Are you sure that the

> > > > birth details are accurate?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am giving below the birth details of Husband , wife and

> > > > daughter. The husband died on the spot in an accident on

21.10.2007

> > > > while riding a scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat. Kindly

analyse

> > > > and if possible give astrological reasons for the death.

> > > > >

> > > > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north Gujarat

> > > > Lat 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e

> > > > >

> > > > > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat

> > > > > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat

> > > > >

> > > > > I could not get any astrological reason for the death.

> > > > >

> > > > > D D Trivedi

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November 21, 2007

Dear Sairam ji,

I appreciate your such sincere feedbacks on the analysis/responses

presented here. It is such feedbacks that helps us all improve

ourselves. Keep it up.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, sairam nat

<sairaman53 wrote:

>

> nice veryconvincing

>

> more particularly the point that sagatarius vizdhanus rasi is so

called accidental sign as i have observed

>

> lagnathipathi in 8th house though own house it is 8th of course and

str of a maleic planet viz mars karagha for accident who is in 12th

sign of lagna

>

> all the more 11th house the 8th of 4th occupied by 4th lord the

dispositor of karmic planets raghu the dispositors of raghu and kethu

the karmic control planets will give imporant events in life in

general

>

> out of so many msg yrs is highly convincing adaptable in general

>

> thank y sir with regards

>

> SAIRAMAN

>

Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl

wrote: Dear D. Trivedi,

>

> >>The birth details are correct.<<

>

> I agree, this chart with Libra-Ascendant, Moon in 3rd, Ketu in 4th,

> Venus in 8th, Mercury in 9th, Jupiter & Saturn in 11th and Mars in

the

> 12th house, indicates a person who could very well die early due

to a

> Vehicle accident. For Vehicular accidents certain combinations in

this

> chart are very important:

>

> 1) In this particular case with Libra-Ascendant, the 1st lord Venus

> (the person) is in the 8th house indicating danger.

>

> 2) The 8th-lord Venus (Vehicles) being debilitated in Virgo Navamsa

> indicates danger from Vehicles. So Venus give a double indication

of

> Vehicle accident.

>

> 3) 1st-lord Venus is in the Nakshatra of Mars, who is the natural

> Karaka for accidents.

>

> 4) Further more Mars is the the Gnati-karaka as per the 7-karaka

> scheme, which means in this case Mars has become the Chara-Karaka

for

> accidents

>

> 5) and finally Mars is in the 12th which is a very malefic

> combination. So Mars gives a treble indication of Vehicle

accident.

>

> 6) Chandra Lagna is in Sagittarius and this by itself is a

combination

> of the 8th-lord in the 1st house. Further more Sagittarius is

> considered to be the sign of Accidents, especially when there are

> Malefics (Sun & Rahu) in the 8th house from Chandra Lagna.

>

> 7) Saturn, the 4th-lord, indicating Vehicles, is in the 11th house,

> which is the 8th from the 4th house.

>

> 8) Further more Saturn is in Sagittarius Navamsa indicating

accidents.

> So this Saturn gives a double indication of Vehicular accidents.

>

> >>There are no indication of Alpa Aayu or Madhya Aayu.<<

>

> Please, this is not correct!

>

> Kindly observe that the 1st-lord Venus is in the 8th house in own

> sign, but debilitated in Navamsa. According to the nadis Navamsa

> position always prevails, and therefore this Venus makes a double

> indication of short span of life.

>

> Also please observe this man was running Mars-Dasa, Venus Bhukti,

and

> both these planets are Marakas, not only according to BPHS-rules

but

> also according to several kinds of nadi-rules.

>

> Further Transit-Jupiter in Scorpio and Transit-Saturn in Leo were

both

> aspecting his 1st-lord-Venus in the 8th house.

>

> Very friendly,

> Finn Wandahl

>

> , dushyant trivedi

> <trivedi20@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishnaji and Sreenadh,

> >

> > The birth details are correct. There are no indication of Alpa

> Aayu or Madhya Aayu.

> >

> > Also the Vimshottari Dasha is of Mars-Venus-Venus.

> >

> > D D Trivedi

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > Dear Krishan ji, Trivedi ji,

> > Look at the Mrityu bhaga and 64th Navamsa lord - you hope you

will

> > locate the reason. By the way, I am yet to check the chart, it

is just

> > and educated guess.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy

> > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Trivediji,

> > >

> > > I too couldn't justify death at young age. Are you sure that

the

> > birth details are accurate?

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:

> > > Dear Learned Astrologers,

> > >

> > > I am giving below the birth details of Husband , wife and

> > daughter. The husband died on the spot in an accident on

21.10.2007

> > while riding a scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat. Kindly

analyse

> > and if possible give astrological reasons for the death.

> > >

> > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north Gujarat

> > Lat 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e

> > >

> > > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat

> > > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat

> > >

> > > I could not get any astrological reason for the death.

> > >

> > > D D Trivedi

> > >

> > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> > >

> > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with

Mobile.

> > Try it now.

> > >

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November 21, 2007

Dear Sreenadhji,

I remember reading it somewhere that if Lagna falls in Pasa Drekana and LL is illplaced, Apamrithyu shall be the result. Here Arudha of 4 also falls in scorpio indicating involvement of vehicle. Dasa running was of Mars and AD of Mercury the 8L. Mars in 11 thus gives papargala to lagna and kethu in 3 supports it (both are lords of lagna). I will try to locate the source.

Hope this angle of thinking shall help in the analysis.

Regards

Ravi Nair

From: sreesogDate: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 04:43:34 +0000 Re: Death due to accident--astrological reason

Dear Sairam ji,I appreciate your such sincere feedbacks on the analysis/responses presented here. It is such feedbacks that helps us all improve ourselves. Keep it up. Love and regards,Sreenadh , sairam nat <sairaman53 wrote:>> nice veryconvincing > > more particularly the point that sagatarius vizdhanus rasi is so called accidental sign as i have observed > > lagnathipathi in 8th house though own house it is 8th of course and str of a maleic planet viz mars karagha for accident who is in 12th sign of lagna > > all the more 11th house the 8th of 4th occupied by 4th lord the dispositor of karmic planets raghu the dispositors of raghu and kethu the karmic control planets will give imporant events in life in general > > out of so many msg yrs is highly convincing adaptable in general > > > thank y sir with regards > > > SAIRAMAN> > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl wrote: Dear D. Trivedi,> > >>The birth details are correct.<<> > I agree, this chart with Libra-Ascendant, Moon in 3rd, Ketu in 4th,> Venus in 8th, Mercury in 9th, Jupiter & Saturn in 11th and Mars in the> 12th house, indicates a person who could very well die early due to a> Vehicle accident. For Vehicular accidents certain combinations in this> chart are very important:> > 1) In this particular case with Libra-Ascendant, the 1st lord Venus> (the person) is in the 8th house indicating danger. > > 2) The 8th-lord Venus (Vehicles) being debilitated in Virgo Navamsa> indicates danger from Vehicles. So Venus give a double indication of> Vehicle accident.> > 3) 1st-lord Venus is in the Nakshatra of Mars, who is the natural> Karaka for accidents. > > 4) Further more Mars is the the Gnati-karaka as per the 7-karaka> scheme, which means in this case Mars has become the Chara-Karaka for> accidents > > 5) and finally Mars is in the 12th which is a very malefic> combination. So Mars gives a treble indication of Vehicle accident. > > 6) Chandra Lagna is in Sagittarius and this by itself is a combination> of the 8th-lord in the 1st house. Further more Sagittarius is> considered to be the sign of Accidents, especially when there are> Malefics (Sun & Rahu) in the 8th house from Chandra Lagna. > > 7) Saturn, the 4th-lord, indicating Vehicles, is in the 11th house,> which is the 8th from the 4th house. > > 8) Further more Saturn is in Sagittarius Navamsa indicating accidents.> So this Saturn gives a double indication of Vehicular accidents.> > >>There are no indication of Alpa Aayu or Madhya Aayu.<<> > Please, this is not correct! > > Kindly observe that the 1st-lord Venus is in the 8th house in own> sign, but debilitated in Navamsa. According to the nadis Navamsa> position always prevails, and therefore this Venus makes a double> indication of short span of life. > > Also please observe this man was running Mars-Dasa, Venus Bhukti, and> both these planets are Marakas, not only according to BPHS-rules but> also according to several kinds of nadi-rules.> > Further Transit-Jupiter in Scorpio and Transit-Saturn in Leo were both> aspecting his 1st-lord-Venus in the 8th house.> > Very friendly,> Finn Wandahl> > , dushyant trivedi> <trivedi20@> wrote:> >> > Dear Krishnaji and Sreenadh,> > > > The birth details are correct. There are no indication of Alpa> Aayu or Madhya Aayu.> > > > Also the Vimshottari Dasha is of Mars-Venus-Venus.> > > > D D Trivedi> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear Krishan ji, Trivedi ji,> > Look at the Mrityu bhaga and 64th Navamsa lord - you hope you will> > locate the reason. By the way, I am yet to check the chart, it is just> > and educated guess.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Trivediji,> > > > > > I too couldn't justify death at young age. Are you sure that the> > birth details are accurate?> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:> > > Dear Learned Astrologers,> > > > > > I am giving below the birth details of Husband , wife and> > daughter. The husband died on the spot in an accident on 21.10.2007> > while riding a scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat. Kindly analyse> > and if possible give astrological reasons for the death.> > > > > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north Gujarat> > Lat 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e> > > > > > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat> > > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat> > > > > > I could not get any astrological reason for the death.> > > > > > D D Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Mobile.> > Try it now.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Mobile.> Try it now.> >> > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.> Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it!

November 21, 2007

Dear Pandit ji,

The Swaroopa (Shape) of 36 drekkana (=TriBhaga) is given in

Mihira's Brihat Jataka. Even though bit different other sets of

swaroopa discription (for the same) is available in Meenaraja Hora &

Sphujidwaja Hora. The age of Rishi Horas like Skanda hora also

provide such swaroopa description.

I will make all these available in pdf in this group itself, when

we deal with Vargas and especially Tribhaga (Drekkana). Just us we

ascribe swaroopa to Signs, ascribing swaroopa to all the Vargas is an

age old tradition and hundreds of slokas are available on the same

for - Sign, Hora, Drekkana, Navamsa etc from various texts.

Note: Based on a sloka from Brihat Yoga Yatra such as " Drekkanakara

cheshta guna sadrisa phalam yojayet buddhi heto.... " , the 36 drekkana

swaroopas are extensively used in practical astrology. That is an

assepted methedology as per classics.

Love,

Sreenadh

, Panditji

<navagraha wrote:

>

> Namaste Finnji,

>

> Do you have the description of 36 drekannas from varahmihira?

>

> Are they available on the net? Is it in Brihat Jataka?

>

> Thanks

>

> ...

>

> On 11/21/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl wrote:

> >

> > Thank you, Sairamanji,

> >

> > Yes, I have often seen Sagittarius Rashi playing a malefic role in

> > connection to accidents, violent attacks, suicides etc. I think

it is

> > indicated in the symbolism itself, meaning Sagittarius is

described as

> > half horse (vehicle) and half man armed with bow and arrow and

thus

> > violent and accident-prone.

> >

> > The same kind of symbolism can be seen in Varaha Mihira's

description

> > of the 36 drekkanas, where a number of the drekkanas are armed

with

> > different kinds of weapons. These armed drekkanas are dangerous

and

> > indicating accidents etc. I often use these drekkanas in

connection

> > with Prashna, but I suspect thay could also show some interesting

> > details in the Libra-Lagna chart.

> >

> > By the way, there was one more very important indication of

Vehicular

> > accident available in the Libra-Lagna chart, that I didn't get

orround

> > to in my analysis. Please observe that Ketu is in the 4th house.

> > According to Puranic mythology Ketu got his head chopped off,

which is

> > an indication of being accident-prone. Also Horasara mentioned

> > " Kujavatketu " . But most important, if I remember correctly, is the

> > fact that Ketu is placed in the Nakshatra of Mars, which makes it

all

> > the more malefic with Mars in the 12th.

> >

> > Very friendly,

> > Finn Wandahl

> >

> > --- In

<%

40>,

> > sairam nat

> > <sairaman53@> wrote:

> > >

> > > nice veryconvincing

> > >

> > > more particularly the point that sagatarius vizdhanus rasi is so

> > called accidental sign as i have observed

> > >

> > > lagnathipathi in 8th house though own house it is 8th of course

and

> > str of a maleic planet viz mars karagha for accident who is in

12th

> > sign of lagna

> > >

> > > all the more 11th house the 8th of 4th occupied by 4th lord the

> > dispositor of karmic planets raghu the dispositors of raghu and

kethu

> > the karmic control planets will give imporant events in life in

general

> > >

> > > out of so many msg yrs is highly convincing adaptable in general

> > >

> > > thank y sir with regards

> > >

> > > SAIRAMAN

> > >

> > > Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > Dear D. Trivedi,

> > >

> > > >>The birth details are correct.<<

> > >

> > > I agree, this chart with Libra-Ascendant, Moon in 3rd, Ketu in

4th,

> > > Venus in 8th, Mercury in 9th, Jupiter & Saturn in 11th and Mars

in the

> > > 12th house, indicates a person who could very well die early

due to a

> > > Vehicle accident. For Vehicular accidents certain combinations

in this

> > > chart are very important:

> > >

> > > 1) In this particular case with Libra-Ascendant, the 1st lord

Venus

> > > (the person) is in the 8th house indicating danger.

> > >

> > > 2) The 8th-lord Venus (Vehicles) being debilitated in Virgo

Navamsa

> > > indicates danger from Vehicles. So Venus give a double

indication of

> > > Vehicle accident.

> > >

> > > 3) 1st-lord Venus is in the Nakshatra of Mars, who is the

natural

> > > Karaka for accidents.

> > >

> > > 4) Further more Mars is the the Gnati-karaka as per the 7-karaka

> > > scheme, which means in this case Mars has become the Chara-

Karaka for

> > > accidents

> > >

> > > 5) and finally Mars is in the 12th which is a very malefic

> > > combination. So Mars gives a treble indication of Vehicle

accident.

> > >

> > > 6) Chandra Lagna is in Sagittarius and this by itself is a

combination

> > > of the 8th-lord in the 1st house. Further more Sagittarius is

> > > considered to be the sign of Accidents, especially when there

are

> > > Malefics (Sun & Rahu) in the 8th house from Chandra Lagna.

> > >

> > > 7) Saturn, the 4th-lord, indicating Vehicles, is in the 11th

house,

> > > which is the 8th from the 4th house.

> > >

> > > 8) Further more Saturn is in Sagittarius Navamsa indicating

accidents.

> > > So this Saturn gives a double indication of Vehicular accidents.

> > >

> > > >>There are no indication of Alpa Aayu or Madhya Aayu.<<

> > >

> > > Please, this is not correct!

> > >

> > > Kindly observe that the 1st-lord Venus is in the 8th house in

own

> > > sign, but debilitated in Navamsa. According to the nadis Navamsa

> > > position always prevails, and therefore this Venus makes a

double

> > > indication of short span of life.

> > >

> > > Also please observe this man was running Mars-Dasa, Venus

Bhukti, and

> > > both these planets are Marakas, not only according to BPHS-

rules but

> > > also according to several kinds of nadi-rules.

> > >

> > > Further Transit-Jupiter in Scorpio and Transit-Saturn in Leo

were both

> > > aspecting his 1st-lord-Venus in the 8th house.

> > >

> > > Very friendly,

> > > Finn Wandahl

> > >

> > > --- In

<%

40>,

> > dushyant trivedi

> > > <trivedi20@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Krishnaji and Sreenadh,

> > > >

> > > > The birth details are correct. There are no indication of Alpa

> > > Aayu or Madhya Aayu.

> > > >

> > > > Also the Vimshottari Dasha is of Mars-Venus-Venus.

> > > >

> > > > D D Trivedi

> > > >

> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > Dear Krishan ji, Trivedi ji,

> > > > Look at the Mrityu bhaga and 64th Navamsa lord - you hope you

will

> > > > locate the reason. By the way, I am yet to check the chart,

it is

> > just

> > > > and educated guess.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > --- In

<%

40>,

> > Krishnamurthy

> > > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Trivediji,

> > > > >

> > > > > I too couldn't justify death at young age. Are you sure

that the

> > > > birth details are accurate?

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Krishna

> > > > >

> > > > > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers,

> > > > >

> > > > > I am giving below the birth details of Husband , wife and

> > > > daughter. The husband died on the spot in an accident on

21.10.2007

> > > > while riding a scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat. Kindly

analyse

> > > > and if possible give astrological reasons for the death.

> > > > >

> > > > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north

Gujarat

> > > > Lat 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e

> > > > >

> > > > > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat

> > > > > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat

> > > > >

> > > > > I could not get any astrological reason for the death.

> > > > >

> > > > > D D Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> > > > >

> > > > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with

> > Mobile.

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> >

>

November 21, 2007

Dear Pandit ji, Finn ji,

Brihat Jataka without commentary is available in the file's section.

URL:

Sanskrit%

20Texts%20-%20Astro%20/bj.txt

Love,

Sreenadh

, " Finn Wandahl "

<finn.wandahl wrote:

>

> Dear Panditji,

>

> Yes, I have got the 36 Drekkanas of Varahamihira as a text-file

> somewhere on my computer. I will try to find it and post it in a

> message here tomorrow.

>

> Very friendly,

> Finn Wandahl

>

> , Panditji

> <navagraha@> wrote:

> >

> > Namaste Finnji,

> >

> > Do you have the description of 36 drekannas from varahmihira?

> >

> > Are they available on the net? Is it in Brihat Jataka?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > ...

> >

> > On 11/21/07, Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Thank you, Sairamanji,

> > >

> > > Yes, I have often seen Sagittarius Rashi playing a malefic role

in

> > > connection to accidents, violent attacks, suicides etc. I think

it is

> > > indicated in the symbolism itself, meaning Sagittarius is

described as

> > > half horse (vehicle) and half man armed with bow and arrow and

thus

> > > violent and accident-prone.

> > >

> > > The same kind of symbolism can be seen in Varaha Mihira's

description

> > > of the 36 drekkanas, where a number of the drekkanas are armed

with

> > > different kinds of weapons. These armed drekkanas are dangerous

and

> > > indicating accidents etc. I often use these drekkanas in

connection

> > > with Prashna, but I suspect thay could also show some

interesting

> > > details in the Libra-Lagna chart.

> > >

> > > By the way, there was one more very important indication of

Vehicular

> > > accident available in the Libra-Lagna chart, that I didn't get

orround

> > > to in my analysis. Please observe that Ketu is in the 4th house.

> > > According to Puranic mythology Ketu got his head chopped off,

which is

> > > an indication of being accident-prone. Also Horasara mentioned

> > > " Kujavatketu " . But most important, if I remember correctly, is

the

> > > fact that Ketu is placed in the Nakshatra of Mars, which makes

it all

> > > the more malefic with Mars in the 12th.

> > >

> > > Very friendly,

> > > Finn Wandahl

> > >

> > > --- In

> <%

40>,

> > > sairam nat

> > > <sairaman53@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > nice veryconvincing

> > > >

> > > > more particularly the point that sagatarius vizdhanus rasi is

so

> > > called accidental sign as i have observed

> > > >

> > > > lagnathipathi in 8th house though own house it is 8th of

course and

> > > str of a maleic planet viz mars karagha for accident who is in

12th

> > > sign of lagna

> > > >

> > > > all the more 11th house the 8th of 4th occupied by 4th lord

the

> > > dispositor of karmic planets raghu the dispositors of raghu and

kethu

> > > the karmic control planets will give imporant events in life in

> general

> > > >

> > > > out of so many msg yrs is highly convincing adaptable in

general

> > > >

> > > > thank y sir with regards

> > > >

> > > > SAIRAMAN

> > > >

> > > > Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

> > > Dear D. Trivedi,

> > > >

> > > > >>The birth details are correct.<<

> > > >

> > > > I agree, this chart with Libra-Ascendant, Moon in 3rd, Ketu

in 4th,

> > > > Venus in 8th, Mercury in 9th, Jupiter & Saturn in 11th and

Mars

> in the

> > > > 12th house, indicates a person who could very well die early

due

> to a

> > > > Vehicle accident. For Vehicular accidents certain combinations

> in this

> > > > chart are very important:

> > > >

> > > > 1) In this particular case with Libra-Ascendant, the 1st lord

Venus

> > > > (the person) is in the 8th house indicating danger.

> > > >

> > > > 2) The 8th-lord Venus (Vehicles) being debilitated in Virgo

Navamsa

> > > > indicates danger from Vehicles. So Venus give a double

indication of

> > > > Vehicle accident.

> > > >

> > > > 3) 1st-lord Venus is in the Nakshatra of Mars, who is the

natural

> > > > Karaka for accidents.

> > > >

> > > > 4) Further more Mars is the the Gnati-karaka as per the 7-

karaka

> > > > scheme, which means in this case Mars has become the

> Chara-Karaka for

> > > > accidents

> > > >

> > > > 5) and finally Mars is in the 12th which is a very malefic

> > > > combination. So Mars gives a treble indication of Vehicle

accident.

> > > >

> > > > 6) Chandra Lagna is in Sagittarius and this by itself is a

> combination

> > > > of the 8th-lord in the 1st house. Further more Sagittarius is

> > > > considered to be the sign of Accidents, especially when there

are

> > > > Malefics (Sun & Rahu) in the 8th house from Chandra Lagna.

> > > >

> > > > 7) Saturn, the 4th-lord, indicating Vehicles, is in the 11th

house,

> > > > which is the 8th from the 4th house.

> > > >

> > > > 8) Further more Saturn is in Sagittarius Navamsa indicating

> accidents.

> > > > So this Saturn gives a double indication of Vehicular

accidents.

> > > >

> > > > >>There are no indication of Alpa Aayu or Madhya Aayu.<<

> > > >

> > > > Please, this is not correct!

> > > >

> > > > Kindly observe that the 1st-lord Venus is in the 8th house in

own

> > > > sign, but debilitated in Navamsa. According to the nadis

Navamsa

> > > > position always prevails, and therefore this Venus makes a

double

> > > > indication of short span of life.

> > > >

> > > > Also please observe this man was running Mars-Dasa, Venus

> Bhukti, and

> > > > both these planets are Marakas, not only according to BPHS-

rules but

> > > > also according to several kinds of nadi-rules.

> > > >

> > > > Further Transit-Jupiter in Scorpio and Transit-Saturn in Leo

> were both

> > > > aspecting his 1st-lord-Venus in the 8th house.

> > > >

> > > > Very friendly,

> > > > Finn Wandahl

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> <%

40>,

> > > dushyant trivedi

> > > > <trivedi20@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Krishnaji and Sreenadh,

> > > > >

> > > > > The birth details are correct. There are no indication of

Alpa

> > > > Aayu or Madhya Aayu.

> > > > >

> > > > > Also the Vimshottari Dasha is of Mars-Venus-Venus.

> > > > >

> > > > > D D Trivedi

> > > > >

> > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:

> > > > > Dear Krishan ji, Trivedi ji,

> > > > > Look at the Mrityu bhaga and 64th Navamsa lord - you hope

you will

> > > > > locate the reason. By the way, I am yet to check the chart,

it is

> > > just

> > > > > and educated guess.

> > > > > Love,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > > > > --- In

> <%

40>,

> > > Krishnamurthy

> > > > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Trivediji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I too couldn't justify death at young age. Are you sure

that the

> > > > > birth details are accurate?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards,

> > > > > > Krishna

> > > > > >

> > > > > > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:

> > > > > > Dear Learned Astrologers,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am giving below the birth details of Husband , wife and

> > > > > daughter. The husband died on the spot in an accident on

> 21.10.2007

> > > > > while riding a scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat.

Kindly

> analyse

> > > > > and if possible give astrological reasons for the death.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north

Gujarat

> > > > > Lat 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat

> > > > > > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I could not get any astrological reason for the death.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > D D Trivedi

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with

> > > Mobile.

> > > > > Try it now.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with

> Mobile.

> > > > Try it now.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 22, 2007

Dear Renu ji,

See the notes below:

Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandra Hari

Year : 365.2524 days solar year)

Some points

-----------

* Predicting death in the dasa of 7th lord 8th antara & 8th lord 7th antara is easy especially if the planets are aflicted. This is well accepted principle which all good practical astrologers use. A dependable one.

In the said chart (with Scorpio Lagna), this condition is not getting fulfilled but if we take Antara-Paryantara the condition gets satisfied; It was Mars-MERCURY-VENUS running for the native

* 64th Navamsa lord causing death is a well accpeted principle - used by practicing astrologers.

The lagna longitude in the said chart is Scorpio 20 deg, 08 min. That means Scorpio 7th navamsa. Thus the 64th navamsa lord is 7th navamsa lord of Gemini. (counting 7 from Lebra) we find that the 64th navamsa lord is MARS. And thus it becomes clear that the Dasa of 64th Navamsa lord was running.

* 22nd Drekkana lord causing death is a well accepted principle - used by practicing astrologers.

The lagna is in the 3rd Drekkana of Scoripo. Thus the 22nd drekkana is 3rd Drekkana of Tarus. Considering the 'Pariviti traya drekkana lorships (harmonics)' the 22nd drekkana lord is MERCURY.

Note the connection of Mars, Mercury & Venus in all the above.

* Mars is the 6th lord and is placed in 6th from 6th (i.e. 11th) and is strongly connected to Venus and Mercury (by disposition and navamsa)+ Venus navamsa debilitated & Me navamsa in 6th in Mars house - Strong indication of accident.

* Mars is 12th lord from Moon, Mercury is 12th lord from Sun, Venus is 12th lord from Lagna; again emphasizing possible death in Ma-Me-Ve.

Thus death during the period of Ma-Me-Ve is not a wonder, and a clear possibility as per this chart. But why a vehicle accident? I don't have a clear-cut answer. "If it was libra lagna with Ke in 4th and with Sun in 10th as per Mihira's quote I would have predicted the same prior hand", (the combination is clearly visible) but can't do the same with Scoripio lagna.

To predict a clear vehicle accident I need the involvement of 4th house, a significator of vehicle, and 10th house to show fall from hight or a public place and possibly the involvement of 6th house as well. Further the dasa related to all the same should be running. If not I won't be confident enough to predict the same. Here the 4th lord is Saturn (aspecting 4th from 10th - which is good), 10th lord is Sun gone to its 12th house (but what with vehicle?), and I don't have any direct connection of Sa, Su & Ma (6th lord) to spot. So clearly I would fail in predicting "Vehicle accident" prior hand - except a general warning about "danger to life".

Now since the event is already known, I could easly come up with connections such as -

Ma - 6th lord (indicating accident)

Ve - significator of vehicle

Me - 8th lord (end of life/death)

So "Death due to Vehicle accident" and so on. But in practice this may not be much useful to me - even though it can be argued. The same about thousand other logical reasoning.

Note that in the chart the dasa lord Ma is well placed in 11th, Antara lord Me is in its own house, and Paryantara lord Ve is also in its own house. With all these properly placed I will never dare to touch a prediction such as death if not 64th navamsa lord, or 22nd drekkana lord, 8-7 connection (Nidhana-Maraka connection) etc is not involved. Hope this helps.

Love,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > You are correct. My analysis would indicate ONLY possibilities. > Everything is there..Venus[vehicle]; inimical dashas; unfavourable > planetary placements; body [AK] getting afflicted -Sa nearing MB on > the fatal day; Mars being LL and also GK [accident lord]..placed in > 6th from 6H etc.etc.etc. need not go back to all.> > BUT this is only a post mortem. You are absolutely correct. If I > were given this horoscope before the native's demise, I would have > never ever predicted the unfortunate incident. > > Secondly, there is no sure indication that death would happen in > that particular dasha or antar dasha. At least I do not see it or > rather I am not competent enough to say so.> > The only good thing is, we can learn from eveyone's analyses some > astrolgical factors/principles contributing to a premature > accidental death.> > Only a genius in a doctor would diagnose a hidden disease. Even then > he may not be in a position to prescribe the appropriate drug to > cure the patient. But many medical professionals would be able to > find the cause of death at the post mortem.> > Similarly the world would be a better place if astrologers could > predict and prevent mishaps before hand. No one can change > the 'karma'. Whether a future event is predicted or not, what is > destined to happen WILL happen. Of course planets teach us loads of > lessons. It is a life story in itself. Their relationships, > interactions, placements teach us some unforgettable lessons. That > is the beauty in it.> > Yet, the only thing that we can do is to live a good life. Let love > and compassion be our guiding star. If not this journey of life will > be too tiresome and never ending.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > All this is ok - but in the perspective of any 'practical> > astrologer' (or practicing astrologer) he needs clear indications > for> > the results to predict. So the question becomes -> > * Is there any clear combination in the chart indicating 'death > by> > vehicle accident' > > * Why should it be in the said Dasa-Antara? Is there any SURE> > indication that death should or would happen in that dasa-Antara?> > * Are the indications SRONG ENOUGH that any astrologer could have> > predicated the same - PRIOR to the mishap?> > * Why should it be at the age of 27 itself? Apart from Dasa-> Antara> > any special combinations (Alpayur Yogas) involved?> > If these are not present or if these cannot be ensured then the> > 'practical astrologer' is still in dark with all the possible> > explanations (which may count to thousands later).> > Note: I hope being a 'practicing astrologer' Vijaya Raghavan ji> > would have some thing add to this note. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Please excuse me if I am harping on the same string.> > > > > > Further analysis of death due to accident: Predicting through> > > Jaimini's Chara Dasha- Sri K. N. Rao Chapter 16: Caution: One > of the> > > commonest priniciples that seems to repeat itself in Jaimini's > Chara> > > Dasha is: when the sub-period of a rashi which is the sixth or > the> > > eighth from the major rashi dahsa comes, one has to be more > careful,> > > more if it is aspected by the AK. In the native's chart Chara > dasha is -> > > Gemini/Libra/Capricorn 1. Capricorn is the 8th from Gemini. the> > > native's AK is Saturn placed in Leo. 2. Hence Capricorn is > aspected by> > > AK. [Jaimini aspects] Another vital factor on 21st October > 2007 - Sa> > > the AK was at 11. 36' Leo just approaching his MB [Mrityu > Bhaga], 12> > > degrees in Leo. Not only his natal Sa was placed in Leo aspecting> > > Capricorn but transit Saturn too was in Capricorn on a dangerous > degree> > > on this day. Again be cautious: The other well known > principle is:> > > when AK falls in the 8th from the current rashi major or sub-> period,> > > predictions must be given carefully. 1.AK Saturn is placed in > 8th from> > > Capricorn in transit and in natal chart. AK represents body > of the> > > native. Venus the owner of the 6H from KKL and the lord of sub > dasha> > > Libra represents vehicles, which too had just passed Saturn's MB > in Leo> > > a few days prior to the fatal day. Would welcome any comments > if I> > > have misinterpreted. blessings Renu> > >> >>

November 22, 2007

Dear Goelji,

I am only a student and my guruji is Mr. Ramdas Rao.

A word like this from learned stalwarts like you shall go a long way in toning up my astrological skill.

I use only Lahiri Ayanamsa.

Regards

Ravi Nair

From: gkgoel1937Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2007 13:07:43 +0530Re: Re: Death due to accident--astrological reason

Dear Nair,

Your analysis is excellent.

Kindly use True Citra Ayanamsa or next best as adopted by Lahari.

Dasa will be operating Mars /Venus /Venus , Mars was aspected by Transit Mars and Venus by transit Saturn.

Further this is Alp-ayu nativity.

Depositor of Lagna lord Mercury is placed in 8th house from Lagna.

Depositor of Rasis(Moon ) Jupiter is ALSO placed is 8th house from Moon.

Mercury is in its own house ,depositor of lagna lord, and in Angular house from Mars.

Mercury can not kill

On the other hand Venus is very powerful Marka being in own and 7th house.

Regards,G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

A. Ravindran Nair <rain13 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com> Sent: Thursday, 22 November, 2007 11:05:55 AMRE: Re: Death due to accident--astrological reason

Dear Sreenadhji, I remember reading it somewhere that if Lagna falls in Pasa Drekana and LL is illplaced, Apamrithyu shall be the result. Here Arudha of 4 also falls in scorpio indicating involvement of vehicle. Dasa running was of Mars and AD of Mercury the 8L. Mars in 11 thus gives papargala to lagna and kethu in 3 supports it (both are lords of lagna). I will try to locate the source. Hope this angle of thinking shall help in the analysis. Regards Ravi Nair

ancient_indian_ astrologysreesog Thu, 22 Nov 2007 04:43:34 +0000[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Death due to accident--astrologi cal reason

Dear Sairam ji,I appreciate your such sincere feedbacks on the analysis/responses presented here. It is such feedbacks that helps us all improve ourselves. Keep it up. Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, sairam nat <sairaman53@ ...> wrote:>> nice veryconvincing > > more particularly the point that sagatarius vizdhanus rasi is so called accidental sign as i have observed > > lagnathipathi in 8th house though own house it is 8th of course and str of a maleic planet viz mars karagha for accident who is in 12th sign of lagna > > all the more 11th house the 8th of 4th occupied by 4th lord the dispositor of karmic planets raghu the dispositors of raghu and kethu the karmic control planets will give imporant events in life in general > > out of so many msg yrs is highly convincing adaptable in general > > > thank y sir with regards > > > SAIRAMAN> > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@ ...> wrote: Dear D. Trivedi,> > >>The birth details are correct.<<> > I agree, this chart with Libra-Ascendant, Moon in 3rd, Ketu in 4th,> Venus in 8th, Mercury in 9th, Jupiter & Saturn in 11th and Mars in the> 12th house, indicates a person who could very well die early due to a> Vehicle accident. For Vehicular accidents certain combinations in this> chart are very important:> > 1) In this particular case with Libra-Ascendant, the 1st lord Venus> (the person) is in the 8th house indicating danger. > > 2) The 8th-lord Venus (Vehicles) being debilitated in Virgo Navamsa> indicates danger from Vehicles. So Venus give a double indication of> Vehicle accident.> > 3) 1st-lord Venus is in the Nakshatra of Mars, who is the natural> Karaka for accidents. > > 4) Further more Mars is the the Gnati-karaka as per the 7-karaka> scheme, which means in this case Mars has become the Chara-Karaka for> accidents > > 5) and finally Mars is in the 12th which is a very malefic> combination. So Mars gives a treble indication of Vehicle accident. > > 6) Chandra Lagna is in Sagittarius and this by itself is a combination> of the 8th-lord in the 1st house. Further more Sagittarius is> considered to be the sign of Accidents, especially when there are> Malefics (Sun & Rahu) in the 8th house from Chandra Lagna. > > 7) Saturn, the 4th-lord, indicating Vehicles, is in the 11th house,> which is the 8th from the 4th house. > > 8) Further more Saturn is in Sagittarius Navamsa indicating accidents.> So this Saturn gives a double indication of Vehicular accidents.> > >>There are no indication of Alpa Aayu or Madhya Aayu.<<> > Please, this is not correct! > > Kindly observe that the 1st-lord Venus is in the 8th house in own> sign, but debilitated in Navamsa. According to the nadis Navamsa> position always prevails, and therefore this Venus makes a double> indication of short span of life. > > Also please observe this man was running Mars-Dasa, Venus Bhukti, and> both these planets are Marakas, not only according to BPHS-rules but> also according to several kinds of nadi-rules.> > Further Transit-Jupiter in Scorpio and Transit-Saturn in Leo were both> aspecting his 1st-lord-Venus in the 8th house.> > Very friendly,> Finn Wandahl> > ancient_indian_ astrology, dushyant trivedi> <trivedi20@> wrote:> >> > Dear Krishnaji and Sreenadh,> > > > The birth details are correct. There are no indication of Alpa> Aayu or Madhya Aayu.> > > > Also the Vimshottari Dasha is of Mars-Venus-Venus.> > > > D D Trivedi> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear Krishan ji, Trivedi ji,> > Look at the Mrityu bhaga and 64th Navamsa lord - you hope you will> > locate the reason. By the way, I am yet to check the chart, it is just> > and educated guess.> > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama <krishna_1998@ > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Trivediji,> > > > > > I too couldn't justify death at young age. Are you sure that the> > birth details are accurate?> > > > > > Regards,> > > Krishna> > > > > > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:> > > Dear Learned Astrologers,> > > > > > I am giving below the birth details of Husband , wife and> > daughter. The husband died on the spot in an accident on 21.10.2007> > while riding a scooter at Khedbrahma in North Gujarat. Kindly analyse> > and if possible give astrological reasons for the death.> > > > > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at Khedbrahma in north Gujarat> > Lat 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e> > > > > > Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat> > > Daughter: 14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat> > > > > > I could not get any astrological reason for the death.> > > > > > D D Trivedi > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Mobile.> > Try it now.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> > Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Mobile.> Try it now.> >> > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ---> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.>Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list with Windows Live Spaces. It's easy! Try it!

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November 22, 2007

Dear Ravi ji,

Pasa means Rope. Pasa Drekkana is generally for suicide or murder

using ROPE (Pasa).

I don't know much about the use of Arudha or Argala (that is part

of Parasara or Jaimini system - which I don't know much about and

don't practice).

But I appreciate your effort to present a new angle of view

(perspective) towards explaining the incident.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " A. Ravindran Nair "

<rain13 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> I remember reading it somewhere that if Lagna falls in Pasa Drekana

and LL is illplaced, Apamrithyu shall be the result. Here Arudha of 4

also falls in scorpio indicating involvement of vehicle. Dasa

running was of Mars and AD of Mercury the 8L. Mars in 11 thus gives

papargala to lagna and kethu in 3 supports it (both are lords of

lagna). I will try to locate the source.

>

> Hope this angle of thinking shall help in the analysis.

>

> Regards

>

> Ravi Nair

>

> : sreesog: Thu, 22 Nov 2007

04:43:34 +0000 Re: Death due to

accident--astrological reason

>

> Dear Sairam ji,I appreciate your such sincere feedbacks on the

analysis/responses presented here. It is such feedbacks that helps us

all improve ourselves. Keep it up. Love and regards,Sreenadh--- In

, sairam nat <sairaman53@>

wrote:>> nice veryconvincing > > more particularly the point that

sagatarius vizdhanus rasi is so called accidental sign as i have

observed > > lagnathipathi in 8th house though own house it is 8th of

course and str of a maleic planet viz mars karagha for accident who

is in 12th sign of lagna > > all the more 11th house the 8th of 4th

occupied by 4th lord the dispositor of karmic planets raghu the

dispositors of raghu and kethu the karmic control planets will give

imporant events in life in general > > out of so many msg yrs is

highly convincing adaptable in general > > > thank y sir with regards

> > > SAIRAMAN> > > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl <finn.wandahl@> wrote:

Dear D. Trivedi,> > >>The birth details are correct.<<> > I agree,

this chart with Libra-Ascendant, Moon in 3rd, Ketu in 4th,> Venus in

8th, Mercury in 9th, Jupiter & Saturn in 11th and Mars in the> 12th

house, indicates a person who could very well die early due to a>

Vehicle accident. For Vehicular accidents certain combinations in

this> chart are very important:> > 1) In this particular case with

Libra-Ascendant, the 1st lord Venus> (the person) is in the 8th house

indicating danger. > > 2) The 8th-lord Venus (Vehicles) being

debilitated in Virgo Navamsa> indicates danger from Vehicles. So

Venus give a double indication of> Vehicle accident.> > 3) 1st-lord

Venus is in the Nakshatra of Mars, who is the natural> Karaka for

accidents. > > 4) Further more Mars is the the Gnati-karaka as per

the 7-karaka> scheme, which means in this case Mars has become the

Chara-Karaka for> accidents > > 5) and finally Mars is in the 12th

which is a very malefic> combination. So Mars gives a treble

indication of Vehicle accident. > > 6) Chandra Lagna is in

Sagittarius and this by itself is a combination> of the 8th-lord in

the 1st house. Further more Sagittarius is> considered to be the sign

of Accidents, especially when there are> Malefics (Sun & Rahu) in the

8th house from Chandra Lagna. > > 7) Saturn, the 4th-lord, indicating

Vehicles, is in the 11th house,> which is the 8th from the 4th house.

> > 8) Further more Saturn is in Sagittarius Navamsa indicating

accidents.> So this Saturn gives a double indication of Vehicular

accidents.> > >>There are no indication of Alpa Aayu or Madhya

Aayu.<<> > Please, this is not correct! > > Kindly observe that the

1st-lord Venus is in the 8th house in own> sign, but debilitated in

Navamsa. According to the nadis Navamsa> position always prevails,

and therefore this Venus makes a double> indication of short span of

life. > > Also please observe this man was running Mars-Dasa, Venus

Bhukti, and> both these planets are Marakas, not only according to

BPHS-rules but> also according to several kinds of nadi-rules.> >

Further Transit-Jupiter in Scorpio and Transit-Saturn in Leo were

both> aspecting his 1st-lord-Venus in the 8th house.> > Very

friendly,> Finn Wandahl> > --- In

, dushyant trivedi>

<trivedi20@> wrote:> >> > Dear Krishnaji and Sreenadh,> > > > The

birth details are correct. There are no indication of Alpa> Aayu or

Madhya Aayu.> > > > Also the Vimshottari Dasha is of Mars-Venus-

Venus.> > > > D D Trivedi> > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@> wrote:> > Dear

Krishan ji, Trivedi ji,> > Look at the Mrityu bhaga and 64th Navamsa

lord - you hope you will> > locate the reason. By the way, I am yet

to check the chart, it is just> > and educated guess.> > Love,> >

Sreenadh> > > > ,

Krishnamurthy> > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear

Trivediji,> > > > > > I too couldn't justify death at young age. Are

you sure that the> > birth details are accurate?> > > > > > Regards,>

> > Krishna> > > > > > dushyant trivedi <trivedi20@> wrote:> > > Dear

Learned Astrologers,> > > > > > I am giving below the birth details

of Husband , wife and> > daughter. The husband died on the spot in an

accident on 21.10.2007> > while riding a scooter at Khedbrahma in

North Gujarat. Kindly analyse> > and if possible give astrological

reasons for the death.> > > > > > Husband: 26.071980 born at 15.56 at

Khedbrahma in north Gujarat> > Lat 24.03N, Longitude 23.04e> > > > >

> Wife: 04.10.1981; 07.15am place Modasa, Gujarat> > > Daughter:

14.09.2006; 18.55, place Modasa, Gujarat> > > > > > I could not get

any astrological reason for the death.> > > > > > D D Trivedi > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > Never miss a

thing. Make your homepage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -------

--------------------------> > > Be a better sports nut! Let your

teams follow you with Mobile.> > Try it now.> > >> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Be a better sports

nut! Let your teams follow you with Mobile.> Try it now.> >> >

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November 22, 2007

Dear Sreenadh,

64th Nvamsa lord from Moon can be killer..

22ND DRESKANA from lagna is Saturn and not Venus.

Let not promote Ayanamsa Values after the name of persons ,, this is a disastrous trend.

True citra Ayanamsa gives dasa Mars/venus/venus/Jup/MARS.

KINDLY FOLLOW Citra as reference point, it will give you better results.

Moola is of course is Very very important Star as shown by Mr. Chandra Hari. There is no dispute on this.

But ,it is not the best candidate to become reference star for sidereal ZODIAC.

Regards,

G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Thursday, 22 November, 2007 12:51:11 PM Re: Death due to accident--astrological reason

Dear Renu ji,

See the notes below:

Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandra Hari

Year : 365..2524 days solar year)

Some points

-----------

* Predicting death in the dasa of 7th lord 8th antara & 8th lord 7th antara is easy especially if the planets are aflicted.. This is well accepted principle which all good practical astrologers use. A dependable one.

In the said chart (with Scorpio Lagna), this condition is not getting fulfilled but if we take Antara-Paryantara the condition gets satisfied; It was Mars-MERCURY-VENUS running for the native

* 64th Navamsa lord causing death is a well accpeted principle - used by practicing astrologers.

The lagna longitude in the said chart is Scorpio 20 deg, 08 min. That means Scorpio 7th navamsa. Thus the 64th navamsa lord is 7th navamsa lord of Gemini. (counting 7 from Lebra) we find that the 64th navamsa lord is MARS. And thus it becomes clear that the Dasa of 64th Navamsa lord was running.

* 22nd Drekkana lord causing death is a well accepted principle - used by practicing astrologers.

The lagna is in the 3rd Drekkana of Scoripo. Thus the 22nd drekkana is 3rd Drekkana of Tarus. Considering the 'Pariviti traya drekkana lorships (harmonics)' the 22nd drekkana lord is MERCURY.

Note the connection of Mars, Mercury & Venus in all the above.

* Mars is the 6th lord and is placed in 6th from 6th (i.e.. 11th) and is strongly connected to Venus and Mercury (by disposition and navamsa)+ Venus navamsa debilitated & Me navamsa in 6th in Mars house - Strong indication of accident.

* Mars is 12th lord from Moon, Mercury is 12th lord from Sun, Venus is 12th lord from Lagna; again emphasizing possible death in Ma-Me-Ve.

Thus death during the period of Ma-Me-Ve is not a wonder, and a clear possibility as per this chart. But why a vehicle accident? I don't have a clear-cut answer. "If it was libra lagna with Ke in 4th and with Sun in 10th as per Mihira's quote I would have predicted the same prior hand", (the combination is clearly visible) but can't do the same with Scoripio lagna.

To predict a clear vehicle accident I need the involvement of 4th house, a significator of vehicle, and 10th house to show fall from hight or a public place and possibly the involvement of 6th house as well. Further the dasa related to all the same should be running. If not I won't be confident enough to predict the same. Here the 4th lord is Saturn (aspecting 4th from 10th - which is good), 10th lord is Sun gone to its 12th house (but what with vehicle?), and I don't have any direct connection of Sa, Su & Ma (6th lord) to spot. So clearly I would fail in predicting "Vehicle accident" prior hand - except a general warning about "danger to life".

Now since the event is already known, I could easly come up with connections such as -

Ma - 6th lord (indicating accident)

Ve - significator of vehicle

Me - 8th lord (end of life/death)

So "Death due to Vehicle accident" and so on. But in practice this may not be much useful to me - even though it can be argued. The same about thousand other logical reasoning.

Note that in the chart the dasa lord Ma is well placed in 11th, Antara lord Me is in its own house, and Paryantara lord Ve is also in its own house. With all these properly placed I will never dare to touch a prediction such as death if not 64th navamsa lord, or 22nd drekkana lord, 8-7 connection (Nidhana-Maraka connection) etc is not involved. Hope this helps.

Love,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > You are correct. My analysis would indicate ONLY possibilities. > Everything is there..Venus[ vehicle]; inimical dashas; unfavourable > planetary placements; body [AK] getting afflicted -Sa nearing MB on > the fatal day; Mars being LL and also GK [accident lord]..placed in > 6th from 6H etc.etc.etc. need not go back to all.> > BUT this is only a post mortem. You are absolutely correct. If I > were given this horoscope before the native's demise, I would have > never ever predicted the unfortunate incident. > > Secondly, there is no sure indication that death would

happen in > that particular dasha or antar dasha. At least I do not see it or > rather I am not competent enough to say so.> > The only good thing is, we can learn from eveyone's analyses some > astrolgical factors/principles contributing to a premature > accidental death.> > Only a genius in a doctor would diagnose a hidden disease. Even then > he may not be in a position to prescribe the appropriate drug to > cure the patient. But many medical professionals would be able to > find the cause of death at the post mortem.> > Similarly the world would be a better place if astrologers could > predict and prevent mishaps before hand. No one can change > the 'karma'. Whether a future event is predicted or not, what is > destined to happen WILL happen. Of course planets teach us loads of > lessons. It is a life story in itself. Their

relationships, > interactions, placements teach us some unforgettable lessons. That > is the beauty in it.> > Yet, the only thing that we can do is to live a good life. Let love > and compassion be our guiding star. If not this journey of life will > be too tiresome and never ending.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > All this is ok - but in the perspective of any 'practical> > astrologer' (or practicing astrologer) he needs clear indications > for> > the results to predict. So the question becomes -> > * Is there any clear combination in the chart indicating 'death > by> > vehicle accident' > > * Why should it be in the said Dasa-Antara? Is

there any SURE> > indication that death should or would happen in that dasa-Antara?> > * Are the indications SRONG ENOUGH that any astrologer could have> > predicated the same - PRIOR to the mishap?> > * Why should it be at the age of 27 itself? Apart from Dasa-> Antara> > any special combinations (Alpayur Yogas) involved?> > If these are not present or if these cannot be ensured then the> > 'practical astrologer' is still in dark with all the possible> > explanations (which may count to thousands later).> > Note: I hope being a 'practicing astrologer' Vijaya Raghavan ji> > would have some thing add to this note. > > Love,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Please excuse me if I am harping on

the same string.> > > > > > Further analysis of death due to accident: Predicting through> > > Jaimini's Chara Dasha- Sri K. N. Rao Chapter 16: Caution: One > of the> > > commonest priniciples that seems to repeat itself in Jaimini's > Chara> > > Dasha is: when the sub-period of a rashi which is the sixth or > the> > > eighth from the major rashi dahsa comes, one has to be more > careful,> > > more if it is aspected by the AK. In the native's chart Chara > dasha is -> > > Gemini/Libra/ Capricorn 1. Capricorn is the 8th from Gemini. the> > > native's AK is Saturn placed in Leo. 2. Hence Capricorn is > aspected by> > > AK. [Jaimini aspects] Another vital factor on 21st October > 2007 - Sa> > > the AK was at 11. 36' Leo just approaching his MB [Mrityu > Bhaga],

12> > > degrees in Leo. Not only his natal Sa was placed in Leo aspecting> > > Capricorn but transit Saturn too was in Capricorn on a dangerous > degree> > > on this day. Again be cautious: The other well known > principle is:> > > when AK falls in the 8th from the current rashi major or sub-> period,> > > predictions must be given carefully. 1.AK Saturn is placed in > 8th from> > > Capricorn in transit and in natal chart. AK represents body > of the> > > native. Venus the owner of the 6H from KKL and the lord of sub > dasha> > > Libra represents vehicles, which too had just passed Saturn's MB > in Leo> > > a few days prior to the fatal day. Would welcome any comments > if I> > > have misinterpreted. blessings Renu> > >>

>>

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November 22, 2007

Dear Goel ji,

==>

> 22ND DRESKANA from lagna is Saturn and not Venus.

<==

Who said that it is Venus?? Please read CAREFULLY always before

replying. My statement is quoted below -

==>

* 22nd Drekkana lord causing death is a well accepted principle -

used by practicing astrologers.

The lagna is in the 3rd Drekkana of Scoripo. Thus the 22nd

drekkana is 3rd Drekkana of Tarus. Considering the 'Pariviti traya

drekkana lorships (harmonics)' the 22nd drekkana lord is MERCURY.

<==

Read the statements again - what do you understand. If rendered in

other words, it means " As per Parivritti trya system 22nd Drekkana

lord is MERCURY " .

Do you know what Parivritti traya system is? It is there in BPHS,

(refer please), and is available in JHora. It is the use of Harmonics

in divisions is what I believe in. The above statement is clearly the

use of the same and there is no error in it, except that you couldn't

understand it.

==>

> Let not promote Ayanamsa Values after the name of persons ,this

> is a disastrous trend. True citra Ayanamsa gives dasa

> Mars/venus/venus/Jup/MARS. KINDLY FOLLOW Citra as reference point,

> it will give you better results.

<==

I could term your 'true citra pakta' cry also as a disastrous

trend. The point to remember is " let any one use the Ayanamsa or

system they belive in. As long as they are able to arrive at the

results IN BLINKD CHART READING it would be appricated. Of course you

can try your ayanamsa and ablities in our coming experiments.

==>

> Moola is of course is Very very important Star as shown by Mr.

> Chandra Hari. There is no dispute on this.

> But ,it is not the best candidate to become reference star for

> sidereal ZODIAC.

<==

That is NOT the way to respond to something which stands on a

mathematical premises. IF YOU CAN please respond to it on the same

lines - (some of Hari's works are available on the files section). If

not use your Ayanamsa and let others follow their ayanamsa and their

own systems.

I don't think it is fair or even decent to ask Ash to discard

Kurush's Ayanamsa in KAS, or to ask KP astrologers to discard their

ayanamsa while following their system. So please understand the FACTS

and if your AYANAMSA helps you to arrive at results, well and good,

if not no use. So try your ayanamsa and methods in coming exercises

and try to PREDICT.

Note: Please don't play the police which comes when the fire is

exhausted. But be the hero in the fight - either to live or die.

Ya, I am pointing to coming experiments. Hope you will remember this

in the coming days too, as we expect much from you.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

> 64th Nvamsa lord from Moon can be killer..

> 22ND DRESKANA from lagna is Saturn and not Venus.

> Let not promote Ayanamsa Values after the name of persons ,, this

is a disastrous trend.

> True citra Ayanamsa gives dasa Mars/venus/venus/Jup/MARS.

> KINDLY FOLLOW Citra as reference point, it will give you better

results.

> Moola is of course is Very very important Star as shown by Mr.

Chandra Hari. There is no dispute on this.

> But ,it is not the best candidate to become reference star for

sidereal ZODIAC.

> Regards,

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog

>

> Thursday, 22 November, 2007 12:51:11 PM

> Re: Death due to accident--

astrological reason

>

> Dear Renu ji,

> See the notes below:

> Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandra Hari

> Year : 365.2524 days solar year)

> Some points

> -----------

> * Predicting death in the dasa of 7th lord 8th antara & 8th lord

7th antara is easy especially if the planets are aflicted. This is

well accepted principle which all good practical astrologers use. A

dependable one.

> In the said chart (with Scorpio Lagna), this condition is not

getting fulfilled but if we take Antara-Paryantara the condition gets

satisfied; It was Mars-MERCURY-VENUS running for the native

> * 64th Navamsa lord causing death is a well accpeted principle -

used by practicing astrologers.

> The lagna longitude in the said chart is Scorpio 20 deg, 08 min.

That means Scorpio 7th navamsa. Thus the 64th navamsa lord is 7th

navamsa lord of Gemini. (counting 7 from Lebra) we find that the 64th

navamsa lord is MARS. And thus it becomes clear that the Dasa of 64th

Navamsa lord was running.

> * 22nd Drekkana lord causing death is a well accepted principle -

used by practicing astrologers.

> The lagna is in the 3rd Drekkana of Scoripo. Thus the 22nd

drekkana is 3rd Drekkana of Tarus. Considering the 'Pariviti traya

drekkana lorships (harmonics)' the 22nd drekkana lord is MERCURY.

> Note the connection of Mars, Mercury & Venus in all the above.

> * Mars is the 6th lord and is placed in 6th from 6th (i.e. 11th)

and is strongly connected to Venus and Mercury (by disposition and

navamsa)+ Venus navamsa debilitated & Me navamsa in 6th in Mars

house - Strong indication of accident.

> * Mars is 12th lord from Moon, Mercury is 12th lord from Sun,

Venus is 12th lord from Lagna; again emphasizing possible death in Ma-

Me-Ve.

>

> Thus death during the period of Ma-Me-Ve is not a wonder, and a

clear possibility as per this chart. But why a vehicle accident? I

don't have a clear-cut answer. " If it was libra lagna with Ke in 4th

and with Sun in 10th as per Mihira's quote I would have predicted the

same prior hand " , (the combination is clearly visible) but can't do

the same with Scoripio lagna.

> To predict a clear vehicle accident I need the involvement of 4th

house, a significator of vehicle, and 10th house to show fall from

hight or a public place and possibly the involvement of 6th house as

well. Further the dasa related to all the same should be running. If

not I won't be confident enough to predict the same. Here the 4th

lord is Saturn (aspecting 4th from 10th - which is good), 10th lord

is Sun gone to its 12th house (but what with vehicle?), and I don't

have any direct connection of Sa, Su & Ma (6th lord) to spot. So

clearly I would fail in predicting " Vehicle accident " prior hand -

except a general warning about " danger to life " .

> Now since the event is already known, I could easly come up with

connections such as -

> Ma - 6th lord (indicating accident)

> Ve - significator of vehicle

> Me - 8th lord (end of life/death)

> So " Death due to Vehicle accident " and so on. But in practice

this may not be much useful to me - even though it can be argued. The

same about thousand other logical reasoning.

> Note that in the chart the dasa lord Ma is well placed in 11th,

Antara lord Me is in its own house, and Paryantara lord Ve is also in

its own house. With all these properly placed I will never dare to

touch a prediction such as death if not 64th navamsa lord, or 22nd

drekkana lord, 8-7 connection (Nidhana-Maraka connection) etc is not

involved. Hope this helps.

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw "

<renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > You are correct. My analysis would indicate ONLY possibilities.

> > Everything is there..Venus[ vehicle]; inimical dashas;

unfavourable

> > planetary placements; body [AK] getting afflicted -Sa nearing MB

on

> > the fatal day; Mars being LL and also GK [accident lord]..placed

in

> > 6th from 6H etc.etc.etc. need not go back to all.

> >

> > BUT this is only a post mortem. You are absolutely correct. If I

> > were given this horoscope before the native's demise, I would

have

> > never ever predicted the unfortunate incident.

> >

> > Secondly, there is no sure indication that death would happen in

> > that particular dasha or antar dasha. At least I do not see it or

> > rather I am not competent enough to say so.

> >

> > The only good thing is, we can learn from eveyone's analyses some

> > astrolgical factors/principles contributing to a premature

> > accidental death.

> >

> > Only a genius in a doctor would diagnose a hidden disease. Even

then

> > he may not be in a position to prescribe the appropriate drug to

> > cure the patient. But many medical professionals would be able to

> > find the cause of death at the post mortem.

> >

> > Similarly the world would be a better place if astrologers could

> > predict and prevent mishaps before hand. No one can change

> > the 'karma'. Whether a future event is predicted or not, what is

> > destined to happen WILL happen. Of course planets teach us loads

of

> > lessons. It is a life story in itself. Their relationships,

> > interactions, placements teach us some unforgettable lessons.

That

> > is the beauty in it..

> >

> > Yet, the only thing that we can do is to live a good life. Let

love

> > and compassion be our guiding star. If not this journey of life

will

> > be too tiresome and never ending.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ .. com, " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > All this is ok - but in the perspective of any 'practical

> > > astrologer' (or practicing astrologer) he needs clear

indications

> > for

> > > the results to predict. So the question becomes -

> > > * Is there any clear combination in the chart indicating 'death

> > by

> > > vehicle accident'

> > > * Why should it be in the said Dasa-Antara? Is there any SURE

> > > indication that death should or would happen in that dasa-

Antara?

> > > * Are the indications SRONG ENOUGH that any astrologer could

have

> > > predicated the same - PRIOR to the mishap?

> > > * Why should it be at the age of 27 itself? Apart from Dasa-

> > Antara

> > > any special combinations (Alpayur Yogas) involved?

> > > If these are not present or if these cannot be ensured then the

> > > 'practical astrologer' is still in dark with all the possible

> > > explanations (which may count to thousands later).

> > > Note: I hope being a 'practicing astrologer' Vijaya Raghavan ji

> > > would have some thing add to this note.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw "

<renunw@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Please excuse me if I am harping on the same string.

> > > >

> > > > Further analysis of death due to accident: Predicting through

> > > > Jaimini's Chara Dasha- Sri K. N. Rao Chapter 16: Caution: One

> > of the

> > > > commonest priniciples that seems to repeat itself in

Jaimini's

> > Chara

> > > > Dasha is: when the sub-period of a rashi which is the sixth

or

> > the

> > > > eighth from the major rashi dahsa comes, one has to be more

> > careful,

> > > > more if it is aspected by the AK. In the native's chart Chara

> > dasha is -

> > > > Gemini/Libra/ Capricorn 1. Capricorn is the 8th from Gemini.

the

> > > > native's AK is Saturn placed in Leo. 2. Hence Capricorn is

> > aspected by

> > > > AK. [Jaimini aspects] Another vital factor on 21st October

> > 2007 - Sa

> > > > the AK was at 11. 36' Leo just approaching his MB [Mrityu

> > Bhaga], 12

> > > > degrees in Leo. Not only his natal Sa was placed in Leo

aspecting

> > > > Capricorn but transit Saturn too was in Capricorn on a

dangerous

> > degree

> > > > on this day. Again be cautious: The other well known

> > principle is:

> > > > when AK falls in the 8th from the current rashi major or sub-

> > period,

> > > > predictions must be given carefully. 1.AK Saturn is placed in

> > 8th from

> > > > Capricorn in transit and in natal chart. AK represents body

> > of the

> > > > native. Venus the owner of the 6H from KKL and the lord of

sub

> > dasha

> > > > Libra represents vehicles, which too had just passed Saturn's

MB

> > in Leo

> > > > a few days prior to the fatal day. Would welcome any comments

> > if I

> > > > have misinterpreted. blessings Renu

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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November 22, 2007

Dear Sreenadh ji,

Thanks so much for spending your time to explain all these. I do

appreciate it a lot. Trying to find the cuase for an event is

something like trying to prove a mathematical problem. Hence it is

interesting and I really really do enjoy it a lot...[sounds like a

Grade 6 student focused on a Geometry theorem?]

...... Otherwise I was wondering what use would be to anyone even if

death is predicted before hand....It would be a pleasure to predict

some good event and see the smile on a questioner's face. But not

otherwise. Life goes on whether we forsee things or not. See there

are so many ways to explain or analyse an event, yet rarely a person

would predict anything 100% accurtely..[ I may be wrong here due to

ignorance of predictions made by astrologers around the world].

Everything seems to be so complex and complicated. The present

example is evidence enough for that. Many took different approaches,

different ayanamsa, different lagnas and even tried to prove that

the birth time stated by the questioner was wrong and came up with

theories to explain the demise of the native. When one is trying to

prove that his/her method is correct and is not ready to accept

his/her mistake... it is the ego of the person, that plays the main

role...

I like the questions you asked:

* Is there any clear combination in the chart indicating 'death

> > by

> > > vehicle accident'

> > > * Why should it be in the said Dasa-Antara? Is there any SURE

> > > indication that death should or would happen in that dasa-

Antara?

> > > * Are the indications SRONG ENOUGH that any astrologer could

have

> > > predicated the same - PRIOR to the mishap?

> > > * Why should it be at the age of 27 itself? Apart from Dasa-

> > Antara

> > > any special combinations (Alpayur Yogas) involved?

> > > If these are not present or if these cannot be ensured then the

> > > 'practical astrologer' is still in dark with all the possible

> > > explanations (which may count to thousands later).

It's a good eye opener...Thanks.

Let us all have some more queries, problems and discussions on blind

charts since studying deep into these planets teach us many lessons

in life if not successful predictions.

blessings

Renu

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

>

> See the notes below:

>

> Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandra Hari

>

> Year : 365.2524 days solar year)

>

> Some points

>

> -----------

>

> * Predicting death in the dasa of 7th lord 8th antara & 8th

lord 7th

> antara is easy especially if the planets are aflicted. This is well

> accepted principle which all good practical astrologers use. A

> dependable one.

>

> In the said chart (with Scorpio Lagna), this condition is not

getting

> fulfilled but if we take Antara-Paryantara the condition gets

satisfied;

> It was Mars-MERCURY-VENUS running for the native

>

> * 64th Navamsa lord causing death is a well accpeted principle -

used

> by practicing astrologers.

>

> The lagna longitude in the said chart is Scorpio 20 deg, 08

min. That

> means Scorpio 7th navamsa. Thus the 64th navamsa lord is 7th

navamsa

> lord of Gemini. (counting 7 from Lebra) we find that the 64th

navamsa

> lord is MARS. And thus it becomes clear that the Dasa of 64th

Navamsa

> lord was running.

>

> * 22nd Drekkana lord causing death is a well accepted principle -

used

> by practicing astrologers.

>

> The lagna is in the 3rd Drekkana of Scoripo. Thus the 22nd

drekkana

> is 3rd Drekkana of Tarus. Considering the 'Pariviti traya drekkana

> lorships (harmonics)' the 22nd drekkana lord is MERCURY.

>

> Note the connection of Mars, Mercury & Venus in all the above.

>

> * Mars is the 6th lord and is placed in 6th from 6th (i.e. 11th)

and is

> strongly connected to Venus and Mercury (by disposition and

navamsa)+

> Venus navamsa debilitated & Me navamsa in 6th in Mars house -

Strong

> indication of accident.

>

> * Mars is 12th lord from Moon, Mercury is 12th lord from Sun,

Venus is

> 12th lord from Lagna; again emphasizing possible death in Ma-Me-Ve.

>

> Thus death during the period of Ma-Me-Ve is not a wonder, and a

clear

> possibility as per this chart. But why a vehicle accident? I don't

have

> a clear-cut answer. " If it was libra lagna with Ke in 4th and with

Sun

> in 10th as per Mihira's quote I would have predicted the same prior

> hand " , (the combination is clearly visible) but can't do the same

with

> Scoripio lagna.

>

> To predict a clear vehicle accident I need the involvement of

4th

> house, a significator of vehicle, and 10th house to show fall from

hight

> or a public place and possibly the involvement of 6th house as

well.

> Further the dasa related to all the same should be running. If not

I

> won't be confident enough to predict the same. Here the 4th lord is

> Saturn (aspecting 4th from 10th - which is good), 10th lord is Sun

gone

> to its 12th house (but what with vehicle?), and I don't have any

direct

> connection of Sa, Su & Ma (6th lord) to spot. So clearly I would

fail in

> predicting " Vehicle accident " prior hand - except a general warning

> about " danger to life " .

>

> Now since the event is already known, I could easly come up with

> connections such as -

>

> Ma - 6th lord (indicating accident)

>

> Ve - significator of vehicle

>

> Me - 8th lord (end of life/death)

>

> So " Death due to Vehicle accident " and so on. But in practice

this may

> not be much useful to me - even though it can be argued. The same

about

> thousand other logical reasoning.

>

> Note that in the chart the dasa lord Ma is well placed in 11th,

Antara

> lord Me is in its own house, and Paryantara lord Ve is also in its

own

> house. With all these properly placed I will never dare to touch a

> prediction such as death if not 64th navamsa lord, or 22nd drekkana

> lord, 8-7 connection (Nidhana-Maraka connection) etc is not

involved.

> Hope this helps.

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > You are correct. My analysis would indicate ONLY possibilities.

> > Everything is there..Venus[vehicle]; inimical dashas;

unfavourable

> > planetary placements; body [AK] getting afflicted -Sa nearing MB

on

> > the fatal day; Mars being LL and also GK [accident lord]..placed

in

> > 6th from 6H etc.etc.etc. need not go back to all.

> >

> > BUT this is only a post mortem. You are absolutely correct. If I

> > were given this horoscope before the native's demise, I would

have

> > never ever predicted the unfortunate incident.

> >

> > Secondly, there is no sure indication that death would happen in

> > that particular dasha or antar dasha. At least I do not see it or

> > rather I am not competent enough to say so.

> >

> > The only good thing is, we can learn from eveyone's analyses some

> > astrolgical factors/principles contributing to a premature

> > accidental death.

> >

> > Only a genius in a doctor would diagnose a hidden disease. Even

then

> > he may not be in a position to prescribe the appropriate drug to

> > cure the patient. But many medical professionals would be able to

> > find the cause of death at the post mortem.

> >

> > Similarly the world would be a better place if astrologers could

> > predict and prevent mishaps before hand. No one can change

> > the 'karma'. Whether a future event is predicted or not, what is

> > destined to happen WILL happen. Of course planets teach us loads

of

> > lessons. It is a life story in itself. Their relationships,

> > interactions, placements teach us some unforgettable lessons.

That

> > is the beauty in it.

> >

> > Yet, the only thing that we can do is to live a good life. Let

love

> > and compassion be our guiding star. If not this journey of life

will

> > be too tiresome and never ending.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > All this is ok - but in the perspective of any 'practical

> > > astrologer' (or practicing astrologer) he needs clear

indications

> > for

> > > the results to predict. So the question becomes -

> > > * Is there any clear combination in the chart indicating 'death

> > by

> > > vehicle accident'

> > > * Why should it be in the said Dasa-Antara? Is there any SURE

> > > indication that death should or would happen in that dasa-

Antara?

> > > * Are the indications SRONG ENOUGH that any astrologer could

have

> > > predicated the same - PRIOR to the mishap?

> > > * Why should it be at the age of 27 itself? Apart from Dasa-

> > Antara

> > > any special combinations (Alpayur Yogas) involved?

> > > If these are not present or if these cannot be ensured then the

> > > 'practical astrologer' is still in dark with all the possible

> > > explanations (which may count to thousands later).

> > > Note: I hope being a 'practicing astrologer' Vijaya Raghavan ji

> > > would have some thing add to this note.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

<renunw@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Please excuse me if I am harping on the same string.

> > > >

> > > > Further analysis of death due to accident: Predicting through

> > > > Jaimini's Chara Dasha- Sri K. N. Rao Chapter 16: Caution: One

> > of the

> > > > commonest priniciples that seems to repeat itself in

Jaimini's

> > Chara

> > > > Dasha is: when the sub-period of a rashi which is the sixth

or

> > the

> > > > eighth from the major rashi dahsa comes, one has to be more

> > careful,

> > > > more if it is aspected by the AK. In the native's chart Chara

> > dasha is -

> > > > Gemini/Libra/Capricorn 1. Capricorn is the 8th from Gemini.

the

> > > > native's AK is Saturn placed in Leo. 2. Hence Capricorn is

> > aspected by

> > > > AK. [Jaimini aspects] Another vital factor on 21st October

> > 2007 - Sa

> > > > the AK was at 11. 36' Leo just approaching his MB [Mrityu

> > Bhaga], 12

> > > > degrees in Leo. Not only his natal Sa was placed in Leo

aspecting

> > > > Capricorn but transit Saturn too was in Capricorn on a

dangerous

> > degree

> > > > on this day. Again be cautious: The other well known

> > principle is:

> > > > when AK falls in the 8th from the current rashi major or sub-

> > period,

> > > > predictions must be given carefully. 1.AK Saturn is placed in

> > 8th from

> > > > Capricorn in transit and in natal chart. AK represents body

> > of the

> > > > native. Venus the owner of the 6H from KKL and the lord of

sub

> > dasha

> > > > Libra represents vehicles, which too had just passed

Saturn's MB

> > in Leo

> > > > a few days prior to the fatal day. Would welcome any comments

> > if I

> > > > have misinterpreted. blessings Renu

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 22, 2007

Dear Goal ji,

Yes it was an oversight - a clerical mistake. Sorry, for my

words. Thanks for pointing out - and let us continue with the

discussions.

Note 1: I don't have any grudges in accepting mistakes if pointed

out, and being human at times I may commit mistakes as well - accept

my apologies.

Note 2: Is is there anything wrong in the transit - I seem to have

committing more than one minor clerical mistakes yesterday and today.

Or may be it is because I am answering too many mails during the busy

office hours handling multiple things at the same time.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, Gopal Goel

<gkgoel1937 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh,

> Yoy are a young man ,thus loose Patience easily.

> IT IS NOT SLEAR TO ME ,IF LAGNA IS SCORPIO , HOW 22ND DREKANA

WILL FALL IN TAURUS SIGN.

> On of my lead article was published on Drekana.

> I will post the same to you for your suggestions for further

improvement.

> My treatise on Laghu Parasari is in Hindi and hand written.

> If you can read Hindi , kindly send your address.If you will read ,

it may help me.

> Regards,

>

> G.K.GOEL

> Ph: 09350311433

> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> NEW DELHI-110 076

> INDIA

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog

>

> Thursday, 22 November, 2007 4:08:20 PM

> Re: Death due to accident--

astrological reason

>

> Dear Goel ji,

> ==>

> > 22ND DRESKANA from lagna is Saturn and not Venus.

> <==

> Who said that it is Venus?? Please read CAREFULLY always before

> replying. My statement is quoted below -

> ==>

> * 22nd Drekkana lord causing death is a well accepted principle -

> used by practicing astrologers.

> The lagna is in the 3rd Drekkana of Scoripo. Thus the 22nd

> drekkana is 3rd Drekkana of Tarus. Considering the 'Pariviti traya

> drekkana lorships (harmonics)' the 22nd drekkana lord is MERCURY.

> <==

> Read the statements again - what do you understand. If rendered in

> other words, it means " As per Parivritti trya system 22nd Drekkana

> lord is MERCURY " .

> Do you know what Parivritti traya system is? It is there in BPHS,

> (refer please), and is available in JHora. It is the use of

Harmonics

> in divisions is what I believe in. The above statement is clearly

the

> use of the same and there is no error in it, except that you

couldn't

> understand it.

> ==>

> > Let not promote Ayanamsa Values after the name of persons ,this

> > is a disastrous trend. True citra Ayanamsa gives dasa

> > Mars/venus/venus/ Jup/MARS. KINDLY FOLLOW Citra as reference

point,

> > it will give you better results.

> <==

> I could term your 'true citra pakta' cry also as a disastrous

> trend. The point to remember is " let any one use the Ayanamsa or

> system they belive in. As long as they are able to arrive at the

> results IN BLINKD CHART READING it would be appricated. Of course

you

> can try your ayanamsa and ablities in our coming experiments.

> ==>

> > Moola is of course is Very very important Star as shown by Mr.

> > Chandra Hari. There is no dispute on this.

> > But ,it is not the best candidate to become reference star for

> > sidereal ZODIAC.

> <==

> That is NOT the way to respond to something which stands on a

> mathematical premises. IF YOU CAN please respond to it on the same

> lines - (some of Hari's works are available on the files section).

If

> not use your Ayanamsa and let others follow their ayanamsa and

their

> own systems.

> I don't think it is fair or even decent to ask Ash to discard

> Kurush's Ayanamsa in KAS, or to ask KP astrologers to discard their

> ayanamsa while following their system. So please understand the

FACTS

> and if your AYANAMSA helps you to arrive at results, well and good,

> if not no use. So try your ayanamsa and methods in coming exercises

> and try to PREDICT.

> Note: Please don't play the police which comes when the fire is

> exhausted. But be the hero in the fight - either to live or die.

> Ya, I am pointing to coming experiments. Hope you will remember

this

> in the coming days too, as we expect much from you.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Gopal Goel

> <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh,

> > 64th Nvamsa lord from Moon can be killer..

> > 22ND DRESKANA from lagna is Saturn and not Venus.

> > Let not promote Ayanamsa Values after the name of persons ,, this

> is a disastrous trend.

> > True citra Ayanamsa gives dasa Mars/venus/venus/ Jup/MARS.

> > KINDLY FOLLOW Citra as reference point, it will give you better

> results.

> > Moola is of course is Very very important Star as shown by Mr.

> Chandra Hari. There is no dispute on this.

> > But ,it is not the best candidate to become reference star for

> sidereal ZODIAC.

> > Regards,

> >

> > G.K.GOEL

> > Ph: 09350311433

> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

> > NEW DELHI-110 076

> > INDIA

> >

> > Sreenadh <sreesog@ >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology@ ...

> > Thursday, 22 November, 2007 12:51:11 PM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Death due to accident--

> astrological reason

> >

> > Dear Renu ji,

> > See the notes below:

> > Ayanamsa: True Ayanamsa of Chandra Hari

> > Year : 365.2524 days solar year)

> > Some points

> > -----------

> > * Predicting death in the dasa of 7th lord 8th antara & 8th lord

> 7th antara is easy especially if the planets are aflicted. This is

> well accepted principle which all good practical astrologers use. A

> dependable one.

> > In the said chart (with Scorpio Lagna), this condition is not

> getting fulfilled but if we take Antara-Paryantara the condition

gets

> satisfied; It was Mars-MERCURY- VENUS running for the native

> > * 64th Navamsa lord causing death is a well accpeted principle -

> used by practicing astrologers.

> > The lagna longitude in the said chart is Scorpio 20 deg, 08 min.

> That means Scorpio 7th navamsa. Thus the 64th navamsa lord is 7th

> navamsa lord of Gemini. (counting 7 from Lebra) we find that the

64th

> navamsa lord is MARS. And thus it becomes clear that the Dasa of

64th

> Navamsa lord was running.

> > * 22nd Drekkana lord causing death is a well accepted principle -

> used by practicing astrologers.

> > The lagna is in the 3rd Drekkana of Scoripo. Thus the 22nd

> drekkana is 3rd Drekkana of Tarus. Considering the 'Pariviti traya

> drekkana lorships (harmonics)' the 22nd drekkana lord is MERCURY.

> > Note the connection of Mars, Mercury & Venus in all the above.

> > * Mars is the 6th lord and is placed in 6th from 6th (i.e. 11th)

> and is strongly connected to Venus and Mercury (by disposition and

> navamsa)+ Venus navamsa debilitated & Me navamsa in 6th in Mars

> house - Strong indication of accident.

> > * Mars is 12th lord from Moon, Mercury is 12th lord from Sun,

> Venus is 12th lord from Lagna; again emphasizing possible death in

Ma-

> Me-Ve.

> >

> > Thus death during the period of Ma-Me-Ve is not a wonder, and a

> clear possibility as per this chart. But why a vehicle accident? I

> don't have a clear-cut answer. " If it was libra lagna with Ke in

4th

> and with Sun in 10th as per Mihira's quote I would have predicted

the

> same prior hand " , (the combination is clearly visible) but can't do

> the same with Scoripio lagna.

> > To predict a clear vehicle accident I need the involvement of 4th

> house, a significator of vehicle, and 10th house to show fall from

> hight or a public place and possibly the involvement of 6th house

as

> well. Further the dasa related to all the same should be running.

If

> not I won't be confident enough to predict the same. Here the 4th

> lord is Saturn (aspecting 4th from 10th - which is good), 10th lord

> is Sun gone to its 12th house (but what with vehicle?), and I don't

> have any direct connection of Sa, Su & Ma (6th lord) to spot. So

> clearly I would fail in predicting " Vehicle accident " prior hand -

> except a general warning about " danger to life " .

> > Now since the event is already known, I could easly come up with

> connections such as -

> > Ma - 6th lord (indicating accident)

> > Ve - significator of vehicle

> > Me - 8th lord (end of life/death)

> > So " Death due to Vehicle accident " and so on. But in practice

> this may not be much useful to me - even though it can be argued.

The

> same about thousand other logical reasoning.

> > Note that in the chart the dasa lord Ma is well placed in 11th,

> Antara lord Me is in its own house, and Paryantara lord Ve is also

in

> its own house. With all these properly placed I will never dare to

> touch a prediction such as death if not 64th navamsa lord, or 22nd

> drekkana lord, 8-7 connection (Nidhana-Maraka connection) etc is

not

> involved. Hope this helps.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw "

> <renunw@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > You are correct. My analysis would indicate ONLY possibilities.

> > > Everything is there..Venus[ vehicle]; inimical dashas;

> unfavourable

> > > planetary placements; body [AK] getting afflicted -Sa nearing

MB

> on

> > > the fatal day; Mars being LL and also GK [accident

lord]...placed

> in

> > > 6th from 6H etc.etc.etc. need not go back to all.

> > >

> > > BUT this is only a post mortem. You are absolutely correct. If

I

> > > were given this horoscope before the native's demise, I would

> have

> > > never ever predicted the unfortunate incident.

> > >

> > > Secondly, there is no sure indication that death would happen

in

> > > that particular dasha or antar dasha. At least I do not see it

or

> > > rather I am not competent enough to say so.

> > >

> > > The only good thing is, we can learn from eveyone's analyses

some

> > > astrolgical factors/principles contributing to a premature

> > > accidental death.

> > >

> > > Only a genius in a doctor would diagnose a hidden disease. Even

> then

> > > he may not be in a position to prescribe the appropriate drug

to

> > > cure the patient. But many medical professionals would be able

to

> > > find the cause of death at the post mortem.

> > >

> > > Similarly the world would be a better place if astrologers

could

> > > predict and prevent mishaps before hand. No one can change

> > > the 'karma'. Whether a future event is predicted or not, what

is

> > > destined to happen WILL happen. Of course planets teach us

loads

> of

> > > lessons. It is a life story in itself. Their relationships,

> > > interactions, placements teach us some unforgettable lessons.

> That

> > > is the beauty in it..

> > >

> > > Yet, the only thing that we can do is to live a good life. Let

> love

> > > and compassion be our guiding star. If not this journey of life

> will

> > > be too tiresome and never ending.

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . .

com, " Sreenadh "

> > > sreesog@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > > All this is ok - but in the perspective of any 'practical

> > > > astrologer' (or practicing astrologer) he needs clear

> indications

> > > for

> > > > the results to predict. So the question becomes -

> > > > * Is there any clear combination in the chart

indicating 'death

> > > by

> > > > vehicle accident'

> > > > * Why should it be in the said Dasa-Antara? Is there any SURE

> > > > indication that death should or would happen in that dasa-

> Antara?

> > > > * Are the indications SRONG ENOUGH that any astrologer could

> have

> > > > predicated the same - PRIOR to the mishap?

> > > > * Why should it be at the age of 27 itself? Apart from Dasa-

> > > Antara

> > > > any special combinations (Alpayur Yogas) involved?

> > > > If these are not present or if these cannot be ensured then

the

> > > > 'practical astrologer' is still in dark with all the possible

> > > > explanations (which may count to thousands later).

> > > > Note: I hope being a 'practicing astrologer' Vijaya Raghavan

ji

> > > > would have some thing add to this note.

> > > > Love,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " renunw "

> <renunw@>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Please excuse me if I am harping on the same string.

> > > > >

> > > > > Further analysis of death due to accident: Predicting

through

> > > > > Jaimini's Chara Dasha- Sri K. N. Rao Chapter 16: Caution:

One

> > > of the

> > > > > commonest priniciples that seems to repeat itself in

> Jaimini's

> > > Chara

> > > > > Dasha is: when the sub-period of a rashi which is the sixth

> or

> > > the

> > > > > eighth from the major rashi dahsa comes, one has to be more

> > > careful,

> > > > > more if it is aspected by the AK. In the native's chart

Chara

> > > dasha is -

> > > > > Gemini/Libra/ Capricorn 1. Capricorn is the 8th from

Gemini.

> the

> > > > > native's AK is Saturn placed in Leo. 2. Hence Capricorn is

> > > aspected by

> > > > > AK. [Jaimini aspects] Another vital factor on 21st October

> > > 2007 - Sa

> > > > > the AK was at 11. 36' Leo just approaching his MB [Mrityu

> > > Bhaga], 12

> > > > > degrees in Leo. Not only his natal Sa was placed in Leo

> aspecting

> > > > > Capricorn but transit Saturn too was in Capricorn on a

> dangerous

> > > degree

> > > > > on this day. Again be cautious: The other well known

> > > principle is:

> > > > > when AK falls in the 8th from the current rashi major or

sub-

> > > period,

> > > > > predictions must be given carefully. 1.AK Saturn is placed

in

> > > 8th from

> > > > > Capricorn in transit and in natal chart. AK represents body

> > > of the

> > > > > native. Venus the owner of the 6H from KKL and the lord of

> sub

> > > dasha

> > > > > Libra represents vehicles, which too had just passed

Saturn's

> MB

> > > in Leo

> > > > > a few days prior to the fatal day. Would welcome any

comments

> > > if I

> > > > > have misinterpreted. blessings Renu

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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