Fwd: Parasara Samhita / Parasara Tantra / Parasara Smriti

September 6, 2007

hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

Shri Vedaprakash ji,

Namaskar!

Please bear with me for this longish post!

I am a Saraswat Brahmin by birth and was an amateur astrologer a

couple of decades back, following Lahiri Ayanamsha, as it was

recommended by every other astrologer. As such, whenever I read any

statement especially from some foreigner that ancient Hindus were

very poor about the knowledge of planetary astronomy in the pre-

Surya Sidhanta era, it riled me to no end. On reading further that

even the Surya Sidhanta has a Grecho-Chaldean influence I would get

mad! I had the maximum faith in the Surya Sidhanta, since the Vishva

Panchanga published by Beneras Hindu University, Varanasi, was based

on it! And as evrybody knows, BHU is supposed to be the top-notch

university for propagating Hindu Dharma and philosophy! How could

they publish a panchanga on the basis of SS unless it had been

revealed by Surya Bhagwan himself!

I tried my best to find some straw to save myself from drowning in

the ocean of disbelief on astrology! Ironically, somebody

suggested " Bharatayi Jyotisha Shastra " by Shankar Balakrishna

Dikshit and with great difficulty I got the first part of that work

with an English translation and a complete book with Hindi

translation!

To my utter surprise and even dismay, Dikshit had said unequivocally

that the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha or Yajur Jyotisha or Atharva

Jyotisha or the Mahabharata or any other work prior to the Surya

Sidhanta did not contain any Mesha etc. Rashis! According to him

Mangal, Shani etc. planets were conspicuous by their absence from

the Vedas and the Vedanga Jyotisha though the Atharva Jyotisha of

about fourth century BCE and the Mahabharata has talked about

planets!!!

Till then it was my view that predictive astrology was the be all

and end all of the Vedas, and as such, if there were no rashis or

Mangal, shani etc. planets in the Vedas, then the Vedas were no good

since if our Vedic Rishis could not read horosocopes, they must

certainly have been sloppy and useless!

It also meant that our Vedas did not contain anything about

predictive astrology and all our boasting that our ancestors were

the most accomplished astrologers was all an idle prattling!

I tried to take the bull by the horns and instead of believing

Pingree or Dikshit or anybody else, I went through the Vedas and the

Vedanga Jyotisha etc. myself! However, I was relieved to find that

our Vedic Rishis were no fatalists at all, but they would exhort us

at every stage to continue to perform yajnyas etc. The ethos of the

Vedas had been as if summarized in the mantra of the Isha Upanishada

" kurvaneva eha karmani jijeevishet shatam samah

evam tvayi nanyatheto asti na karma lipyete nare "

i.e.

" You must aspire to live a hundred years while performing your

duties. That is the only way out for you to get rid of the fruits

of karma " .

The Katha Upanishada was very catagorical

" Uttishthata, jagrata, prapya varan nibodhata

kshyurasya dhara nihita guhayam durgam pathas tat kavyo vadantih "

i.e.

" Wake up (if you are asleep to the higher wisdom) Get up (if you are

awake but not making any efforts) approach the learned ones and

learn the Truth from them. The path is sharp like the edge of a

sword and the Truth is hidden in a cave (which means that you are

not going to get it at a platter!) "

There was no mention in any of the Vedic mantras that we should

consult soothsayers and act only then, nor was there any indication

that we should believe in fate!

Obviously, thus, we had been taken for a ride for several centuries

by somebody or some people by making us astro-addicts!

We were told that since Vedanga Jyotisha is a part of the Vedic

lore, it means that predictive astrology was a part of the Vedas!

Nobody told us the truth that the Vedanga Jyotisha is nothing but a

work of about 14th century BCE which just gives us the crude

methodology of calculating tihi etc.--- that also mean tithi etc.---

for performing Vedic rituals at proper time and date! It does not

say anything about Mesha etc. Rashis or Mangal, shani etc. planets,

leave alone calculating horscopes from the same!

Even today the Owner-cum-moderator of the " Vedic-Astrology " forum

()goes on repeating the same lie that the VJ is a work about

predictive asgtrology and thus goes on confusing his clients as well

as students and members, either deliberately or unknowingly!

Thus it was a real revelation to me that our Rishis never advised us

to consult soothsayers and as such they did not require planetary

longitudes for any such horoscopes etc.! So instead of giving our

Vedic Rishis the credit for this exemplary attitude, we were made to

believe that it was a drawback with us! In fact, as a rational

Hindu I really appreciate this exceptional attitude of our real

Vamadevas since no other culture, whether the Asian or European etc.

etc. had escaped this astro-addiction in one form or the other!

Now coming to the sidhantas:

The Panchasidhantika does not refer to any other sidhanta except for

the Paitamaha, Romaka, Vasishtha, Paulastya and Surya Sidhanta.

Varahamihira has referred to several astrologers in his Brihat

Jatakam etc. but he has not referred to any astronomer there! About

Garga etc., he has made some references by " poorvacharya " but not

said anything catagorically about their astronomy! The only

catagorical statement that he has made is " spashta-taro savitrah "

i.e. " out of all the (five) sidhantas, Surya Sidhanta is the most

accurate " and the rest of them " doora-vibhrashtav " ie. they are far

from accuracy!

Thus it is absoultely clrear that even if, for the sake of argument,

there was any other sidhanta avialable at the time of Varahamihira

it was worse than the other " doora-vibrashtav " and maybe that is

why he did not even talk about them!

The problem with the Surya Sidhanta is that it was " revealed " by

Surya Bhagwan! I had an absolute faith in that staement, but that

faith was shaken because the mean longitudes of hardly any planet

was zero ath the time of " Kali Era " i.e. Feb. 17/18, 3102 BCE. If

the real Surya Bhagwan had actually revealed it, at least he would

have had that much of astronomical knowledge!

So the Shri Ganesha of planetary astronomy itself is a blatant lie!

You can well imagine the accuracy of its fundamental arguments and

well imagine the value of the testimonial " spashta-taro savitrah "

from Varaha Mihira!

Becasue of this involvement of " Surya Bhagwan " in the SS, every

other subsequent sidhanta, whether the Aryabhati or the Arya or

Sidhanta Shishya dhi vridhi da or the Brahma-sphuta or Arya or

Pitamaha or Parashara etc. etc. had followed in its footsteps i.e.

taken the mean planetary longitudes as zero at February 17/18, 3102

BCE. Thus all these sidhantas do nothing but perpetuate/propagate a

lie and as the famous saying goes, if you circulate a lie a hundred

times it becomes almost truth!

The only exception to that zero longitudes business was the Sidhanta

Shiromani of Bhaskar-II but even he has not mustred the courage to

say that the Kaliyuga supposed to have startted on Feb. 17/18, 3102

BCE ws a myth, a fictitiouis one!

Similarly, Paitamaha sidhanta should normally mean " A sidhanta

revelaed by Brhmaji " but it is obviously a conction like that of the

SS!

Same is the case with other sidhantas!

Most of these have re-surfaced with similar names later -- e.g.

there are supposed to be at lest five Brahama Sidhantas around!

To crown it all, the Vishnudharmotara-purana also gives absolutely

the same longitudes as that of Brahma-sphuta sidhanta, but it does

so in the name of " Pitamaha Sidhanta " .

Then again, Narada Purana gives us astrological predictions but

tells ut to calculate our horoscopes from the Surya Sidhanta! It

even interprets the three famous verses " trimshat-kritva yuge

bhanam " in such a manner as to make them just tally almst exactly

with that of Lahir ayanamsha! Fie on such corrks and frads and

liars, who are actually a curse on Hindu dharma thus!

So, in a nutshell, it is no use to look for an original sidhanta

anywehre, since just as it is said " vyasochhishtam idam jagat " (all

the shastras are as if regurgitations of the Vedavyasa " it can

safely be said " Mayochhoshtah sarve sidhantah " all the sidhantas of

India are just the regurgitations of Maya the mlechha!

With regards,

A K Kaul

hinducivilization , " Vedaprakash "

<vedamvedaprakash@> wrote:

>

> 1. What is wrong? Which conclusion is erroneous? What you want

to

> convey? If you have any clarifications, ask directly, I am

prepared to

> reply or provide data and information.

>

> 2. I reproduce the sentence, " However, as for as India is

> concerned, though it is one of the 18 Siddhantas, it is a myth,

because,

> Varaha Mihira recognized only " FIVE " . Forget Parasara! "

>

> 3. As Varahamihira compiled " the FIVE " , it is believed that

> only " the FIVE " are recognized or available.

>

> 4. I need not mention the 18 Siddhantas and the FIVE of

Varahamihira

> etc. In fact you are totally wrong, when you say, " There are many

> sidhantas (Around 5 more i think: apart from the 5 mentioned in

Pancha

> sidhatika of mihira) including VridhaVasishta sidhanta, Soma

sidhanta

> etc… "

>

> 5. The Introduction to " Pancasiddhantika of Varahamihira " ,

> edited and translated by T. S. Kuppanna Sastry may be referred to

for

> detailed discussion on it (p.4).

>

> 6. The FIVE as mentioned are different from the FIVE of the

> originals.

>

> 7. Instead of the 18, why the FIVE have become popular is to be

> explained.

>

> 8. As for as your comments, " Mihira was just collecting just 5

> of the most popular and authentic Sidhantas; and was (and never

> mentioned) that he was collecting and presenting ALL sidhantas!

From

> where you got that idea?! " Kindly read properly, with sarcasm, I

was

> lamenting that leaving 18, modern scholars are sticking to 5! So I

asked

> why?

>

> 9. Again for your comments, " Of course Parashara sidhanta is

not

> available today - but many books such as Utpala commentary etc

mention

> it for sure; which prooves that such a text existed for sure " , I

> have already mentioned that such texts were available during 16th-

19th

> centuries, but taken away by the Missionaries and European

Companies. I

> already requested, " Prof. R. N. Iyengar and other scholars like him

> should take efforts to get back the manuscripts available in

foreign

> Universities, archives and research Institutes " .

>

> 10. Thibaut, O. Neugebauer, D. Pingree, and others have pointed

about

> the missing manuscripts of PS. The manuscript used by Pingree (Ms.

> No.288 of Bombay University) was missing (Ibid, p.XVII). This

proves the

> systematic stealing of important manuscripts by scholars even

during

> 20th century from India. Whereas, we are fighting with each other

> without going into the details, the seriousness of problem and

doing

> real research to protect our history. Kindly read my earlier

postings in

> the HC. Nos. 15139, 15155,15164, 16380, 18499, 19441, 19492 etc.,

> related to smuggling and stealing of Indian palm-leaf books.

>

> VEDAPRAKASH

>

> 05-09-2007

>

> hinducivilization , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Vedprakash ji,

> > You said:

> > ==>

> > However, as for as India is concerned, though it is one of the 18

> > Siddhantas, it is a myth, because, Varaha Mihira recognized

> > only " FIVE " . Forget Parasara!

> > <==

> > That is wrong (erroneous conclusion)! There are many sidhantas

> > (Around 5 more i think: apart from the 5 mentioned in Pancha

> > sidhatika of mihira) including VridhaVasishta sidhanta, Soma

> > sidhanta etc available even today, which existed prior to Mihira

and

> > never got mentioned by Mihira. Mihira was just collecting just 5

of

> > the most popular and authentic Sidhantas; and was (and never

> > mentioned) that he was collecting and presenting ALL sidhantas!

From

> > where you got that idea?! Of course Parashara sidhanta is not

> > available today - but many books such as Utpala commentary etc

> > mention it for sure; which prooves that such a text existed for

sure.

> > Love,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > hinducivilization , " Vedaprakash "

> > vedamvedaprakash@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Parasara Samhita / Parasara Tantra / Parasara Smriti

> > >

> > > As usual, I checked about the manuscripts available in India,

> > abroad

> > > etc.

> > >

> > > I find that Roberto de Nobili (1577-1656) had taken away

> > manuscripts of

> > > the entire above first, probably sent to Vatican through Matteo

> > Ricci.

> > > He discussed about the works of Parasara!

> > >

> > > Jean Venant Bouchet (1655-1732) sent not only geographical

> > (particularly

> > > maps) but also astronomical books, charts and tables. Clooney

has

> > > written a book on him!

> > >

> > > Bartholomaus Ziegenbalg (1682-1719) and Heinrich Plutschau

(1677-

> > 1752)

> > > collected many palm-leaf books and valuables. Barthalomeo later

> > > collected such manuscripts from the South and took them in

person

> > to

> > > Denmark and India (1709-1710). Go to the website, much

publicized

> > by

> > > " The Hindu " about the manuscript collection taken by them and

> > > kept in Halle - Francke foundations.

> > >

> > > Joseph Constanzo (Constantius) Beschi (1680-1742) not only used

> > such

> > > palm-leaf books but also composed a " Tiruccabai Kanitham " .

> > >

> > > Collin Mackanzie (1753-c.1820) had completed the work of taking

> > entire

> > > thing in his last strike.

> > >

> > > C. P. Brown (1798-1884) too did the same from Andhrapradesh.

His

> > > interest in " Cyclic tables " had been enormous exceeding his

> > > so-called Vemanna's interpretation of society!

> > >

> > > All these prove that not only " Parasara " was well known but the

> > > works of Parasara had been in great demand in Europe and the

> > Jesuits

> > > were quickly procuring and passing them on to Europe.

> > >

> > > However, as for as India is concerned, though it is one of the

18

> > > Siddhantas, it is a myth, because, Varaha Mihira recognized

only

> > > " FIVE " . Forget Parasara!

> > >

> > > OK, who wanted them in Europe?

> > >

> > > Were they fools to study Parasara Smriti like Nobili to know

how

> > to make

> > > sacred thread and so on? Not all, Nobili had been very clever

in

> > deed

> > > (Vincent Cronin, A Pearl to India, p.108). He learned to make

> > sacred

> > > thread from Parasara Smriti. Learned how to compute thithis

etc,.,

> > from

> > > Parasara Samhita, but sent the details to Gregory, the Pope.

> > Discussed

> > > Kepler laws with Indian astronomers, but sent the Parasara

Karana

> > to

> > > European scientists [K. V. Ramakrishna Rao, Transmission of

> > Scientific

> > > Knowledge from Ancient Tamizhagam to Europe (15th to 20th

> > centuries), a

> > > paper sent to HEC 2006 Conference, Los Angeles and its Summary

> > > reportedly published in Hindu Renaissance Journal, though the

> > author has

> > > not received any copy!].

> > >

> > > Prof. R. N. Iyengar and other scholars like him should take

> > efforts to

> > > get back the manuscripts available in foreign Universities,

> > archives and

> > > research Institutes.

> > >

> > > VEDAPRAKASH

> > >

> > > (HC. No. 246, 04-09-2007)

> > >

> >

>

--- End forwarded message ---

September 6, 2007

Dear Kaul ji,

I am becoming tired off your posts, and recent interaction with the

members of your fanatics forum (hinducivilization) agitates me.

Please minimize your posts - here we are not much interested in all

these personal history and agitations you want to discuss. Now this

forum is settling down to a free flow - concentrating on what we want

to discuss (based on group polls), and so please don't disturb much.

Note: At times it becomes necessary to say – enough is enough. If you

want to say some thing - it is ok; but no more cross postings.

Regards,

Sreenadh

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

>

> hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> Shri Vedaprakash ji,

> Namaskar!

> Please bear with me for this longish post!

> I am a Saraswat Brahmin by birth and was an amateur astrologer a

> couple of decades back, following Lahiri Ayanamsha, as it was

> recommended by every other astrologer. As such, whenever I read any

> statement especially from some foreigner that ancient Hindus were

> very poor about the knowledge of planetary astronomy in the pre-

> Surya Sidhanta era, it riled me to no end. On reading further that

> even the Surya Sidhanta has a Grecho-Chaldean influence I would get

> mad! I had the maximum faith in the Surya Sidhanta, since the

Vishva

> Panchanga published by Beneras Hindu University, Varanasi, was

based

> on it! And as evrybody knows, BHU is supposed to be the top-notch

> university for propagating Hindu Dharma and philosophy! How could

> they publish a panchanga on the basis of SS unless it had been

> revealed by Surya Bhagwan himself!

>

> I tried my best to find some straw to save myself from drowning in

> the ocean of disbelief on astrology! Ironically, somebody

> suggested " Bharatayi Jyotisha Shastra " by Shankar Balakrishna

> Dikshit and with great difficulty I got the first part of that work

> with an English translation and a complete book with Hindi

> translation!

>

> To my utter surprise and even dismay, Dikshit had said

unequivocally

> that the Vedas or the Vedanga Jyotisha or Yajur Jyotisha or Atharva

> Jyotisha or the Mahabharata or any other work prior to the Surya

> Sidhanta did not contain any Mesha etc. Rashis! According to him

> Mangal, Shani etc. planets were conspicuous by their absence from

> the Vedas and the Vedanga Jyotisha though the Atharva Jyotisha of

> about fourth century BCE and the Mahabharata has talked about

> planets!!!

>

> Till then it was my view that predictive astrology was the be all

> and end all of the Vedas, and as such, if there were no rashis or

> Mangal, shani etc. planets in the Vedas, then the Vedas were no

good

> since if our Vedic Rishis could not read horosocopes, they must

> certainly have been sloppy and useless!

>

> It also meant that our Vedas did not contain anything about

> predictive astrology and all our boasting that our ancestors were

> the most accomplished astrologers was all an idle prattling!

>

> I tried to take the bull by the horns and instead of believing

> Pingree or Dikshit or anybody else, I went through the Vedas and

the

> Vedanga Jyotisha etc. myself! However, I was relieved to find that

> our Vedic Rishis were no fatalists at all, but they would exhort us

> at every stage to continue to perform yajnyas etc. The ethos of

the

> Vedas had been as if summarized in the mantra of the Isha Upanishada

> " kurvaneva eha karmani jijeevishet shatam samah

> evam tvayi nanyatheto asti na karma lipyete nare "

>

> i.e.

> " You must aspire to live a hundred years while performing your

> duties. That is the only way out for you to get rid of the fruits

> of karma " .

> The Katha Upanishada was very catagorical

> " Uttishthata, jagrata, prapya varan nibodhata

> kshyurasya dhara nihita guhayam durgam pathas tat kavyo vadantih "

> i.e.

> " Wake up (if you are asleep to the higher wisdom) Get up (if you

are

> awake but not making any efforts) approach the learned ones and

> learn the Truth from them. The path is sharp like the edge of a

> sword and the Truth is hidden in a cave (which means that you are

> not going to get it at a platter!) "

>

> There was no mention in any of the Vedic mantras that we should

> consult soothsayers and act only then, nor was there any indication

> that we should believe in fate!

>

> Obviously, thus, we had been taken for a ride for several centuries

> by somebody or some people by making us astro-addicts!

>

> We were told that since Vedanga Jyotisha is a part of the Vedic

> lore, it means that predictive astrology was a part of the Vedas!

> Nobody told us the truth that the Vedanga Jyotisha is nothing but a

> work of about 14th century BCE which just gives us the crude

> methodology of calculating tihi etc.--- that also mean tithi etc.---

> for performing Vedic rituals at proper time and date! It does not

> say anything about Mesha etc. Rashis or Mangal, shani etc. planets,

> leave alone calculating horscopes from the same!

> Even today the Owner-cum-moderator of the " Vedic-Astrology " forum

> ()goes on repeating the same lie that the VJ is a work about

> predictive asgtrology and thus goes on confusing his clients as

well

> as students and members, either deliberately or unknowingly!

>

> Thus it was a real revelation to me that our Rishis never advised

us

> to consult soothsayers and as such they did not require planetary

> longitudes for any such horoscopes etc.! So instead of giving our

> Vedic Rishis the credit for this exemplary attitude, we were made

to

> believe that it was a drawback with us! In fact, as a rational

> Hindu I really appreciate this exceptional attitude of our real

> Vamadevas since no other culture, whether the Asian or European

etc.

> etc. had escaped this astro-addiction in one form or the other!

>

> Now coming to the sidhantas:

> The Panchasidhantika does not refer to any other sidhanta except

for

> the Paitamaha, Romaka, Vasishtha, Paulastya and Surya Sidhanta.

>

> Varahamihira has referred to several astrologers in his Brihat

> Jatakam etc. but he has not referred to any astronomer there!

About

> Garga etc., he has made some references by " poorvacharya " but not

> said anything catagorically about their astronomy! The only

> catagorical statement that he has made is " spashta-taro savitrah "

> i.e. " out of all the (five) sidhantas, Surya Sidhanta is the most

> accurate " and the rest of them " doora-vibhrashtav " ie. they are

far

> from accuracy!

>

> Thus it is absoultely clrear that even if, for the sake of

argument,

> there was any other sidhanta avialable at the time of Varahamihira

> it was worse than the other " doora-vibrashtav " and maybe that is

> why he did not even talk about them!

>

> The problem with the Surya Sidhanta is that it was " revealed " by

> Surya Bhagwan! I had an absolute faith in that staement, but that

> faith was shaken because the mean longitudes of hardly any planet

> was zero ath the time of " Kali Era " i.e. Feb. 17/18, 3102 BCE. If

> the real Surya Bhagwan had actually revealed it, at least he would

> have had that much of astronomical knowledge!

> So the Shri Ganesha of planetary astronomy itself is a blatant

lie!

> You can well imagine the accuracy of its fundamental arguments and

> well imagine the value of the testimonial " spashta-taro savitrah "

> from Varaha Mihira!

>

> Becasue of this involvement of " Surya Bhagwan " in the SS, every

> other subsequent sidhanta, whether the Aryabhati or the Arya or

> Sidhanta Shishya dhi vridhi da or the Brahma-sphuta or Arya or

> Pitamaha or Parashara etc. etc. had followed in its footsteps i.e.

> taken the mean planetary longitudes as zero at February 17/18, 3102

> BCE. Thus all these sidhantas do nothing but perpetuate/propagate

a

> lie and as the famous saying goes, if you circulate a lie a hundred

> times it becomes almost truth!

> The only exception to that zero longitudes business was the

Sidhanta

> Shiromani of Bhaskar-II but even he has not mustred the courage to

> say that the Kaliyuga supposed to have startted on Feb. 17/18, 3102

> BCE ws a myth, a fictitiouis one!

>

> Similarly, Paitamaha sidhanta should normally mean " A sidhanta

> revelaed by Brhmaji " but it is obviously a conction like that of

the

> SS!

> Same is the case with other sidhantas!

>

> Most of these have re-surfaced with similar names later -- e.g.

> there are supposed to be at lest five Brahama Sidhantas around!

>

> To crown it all, the Vishnudharmotara-purana also gives absolutely

> the same longitudes as that of Brahma-sphuta sidhanta, but it does

> so in the name of " Pitamaha Sidhanta " .

> Then again, Narada Purana gives us astrological predictions but

> tells ut to calculate our horoscopes from the Surya Sidhanta! It

> even interprets the three famous verses " trimshat-kritva yuge

> bhanam " in such a manner as to make them just tally almst exactly

> with that of Lahir ayanamsha! Fie on such corrks and frads and

> liars, who are actually a curse on Hindu dharma thus!

>

> So, in a nutshell, it is no use to look for an original sidhanta

> anywehre, since just as it is said " vyasochhishtam idam jagat " (all

> the shastras are as if regurgitations of the Vedavyasa " it can

> safely be said " Mayochhoshtah sarve sidhantah " all the sidhantas

of

> India are just the regurgitations of Maya the mlechha!

> With regards,

> A K Kaul

> hinducivilization , " Vedaprakash "

> <vedamvedaprakash@> wrote:

> >

> > 1. What is wrong? Which conclusion is erroneous? What you

want

> to

> > convey? If you have any clarifications, ask directly, I am

> prepared to

> > reply or provide data and information.

> >

> > 2. I reproduce the sentence, " However, as for as India is

> > concerned, though it is one of the 18 Siddhantas, it is a myth,

> because,

> > Varaha Mihira recognized only " FIVE " . Forget Parasara! "

> >

> > 3. As Varahamihira compiled " the FIVE " , it is believed that

> > only " the FIVE " are recognized or available.

> >

> > 4. I need not mention the 18 Siddhantas and the FIVE of

> Varahamihira

> > etc. In fact you are totally wrong, when you say, " There are many

> > sidhantas (Around 5 more i think: apart from the 5 mentioned in

> Pancha

> > sidhatika of mihira) including VridhaVasishta sidhanta, Soma

> sidhanta

> > etc… "

> >

> > 5. The Introduction to " Pancasiddhantika of Varahamihira " ,

> > edited and translated by T. S. Kuppanna Sastry may be referred to

> for

> > detailed discussion on it (p.4).

> >

> > 6. The FIVE as mentioned are different from the FIVE of the

> > originals.

> >

> > 7. Instead of the 18, why the FIVE have become popular is to

be

> > explained.

> >

> > 8. As for as your comments, " Mihira was just collecting just 5

> > of the most popular and authentic Sidhantas; and was (and never

> > mentioned) that he was collecting and presenting ALL sidhantas!

> From

> > where you got that idea?! " Kindly read properly, with sarcasm, I

> was

> > lamenting that leaving 18, modern scholars are sticking to 5! So

I

> asked

> > why?

> >

> > 9. Again for your comments, " Of course Parashara sidhanta is

> not

> > available today - but many books such as Utpala commentary etc

> mention

> > it for sure; which prooves that such a text existed for sure " , I

> > have already mentioned that such texts were available during 16th-

> 19th

> > centuries, but taken away by the Missionaries and European

> Companies. I

> > already requested, " Prof. R. N. Iyengar and other scholars like

him

> > should take efforts to get back the manuscripts available in

> foreign

> > Universities, archives and research Institutes " .

> >

> > 10. Thibaut, O. Neugebauer, D. Pingree, and others have pointed

> about

> > the missing manuscripts of PS. The manuscript used by Pingree (Ms.

> > No.288 of Bombay University) was missing (Ibid, p.XVII). This

> proves the

> > systematic stealing of important manuscripts by scholars even

> during

> > 20th century from India. Whereas, we are fighting with each other

> > without going into the details, the seriousness of problem and

> doing

> > real research to protect our history. Kindly read my earlier

> postings in

> > the HC. Nos. 15139, 15155,15164, 16380, 18499, 19441, 19492 etc.,

> > related to smuggling and stealing of Indian palm-leaf books.

> >

> > VEDAPRAKASH

> >

> > 05-09-2007

> >

> > hinducivilization , " Sreenadh " <sreesog@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Vedprakash ji,

> > > You said:

> > > ==>

> > > However, as for as India is concerned, though it is one of the

18

> > > Siddhantas, it is a myth, because, Varaha Mihira recognized

> > > only " FIVE " . Forget Parasara!

> > > <==

> > > That is wrong (erroneous conclusion)! There are many sidhantas

> > > (Around 5 more i think: apart from the 5 mentioned in Pancha

> > > sidhatika of mihira) including VridhaVasishta sidhanta, Soma

> > > sidhanta etc available even today, which existed prior to

Mihira

> and

> > > never got mentioned by Mihira. Mihira was just collecting just

5

> of

> > > the most popular and authentic Sidhantas; and was (and never

> > > mentioned) that he was collecting and presenting ALL sidhantas!

> From

> > > where you got that idea?! Of course Parashara sidhanta is not

> > > available today - but many books such as Utpala commentary etc

> > > mention it for sure; which prooves that such a text existed for

> sure.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > hinducivilization , " Vedaprakash "

> > > vedamvedaprakash@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Parasara Samhita / Parasara Tantra / Parasara Smriti

> > > >

> > > > As usual, I checked about the manuscripts available in India,

> > > abroad

> > > > etc.

> > > >

> > > > I find that Roberto de Nobili (1577-1656) had taken away

> > > manuscripts of

> > > > the entire above first, probably sent to Vatican through

Matteo

> > > Ricci.

> > > > He discussed about the works of Parasara!

> > > >

> > > > Jean Venant Bouchet (1655-1732) sent not only geographical

> > > (particularly

> > > > maps) but also astronomical books, charts and tables. Clooney

> has

> > > > written a book on him!

> > > >

> > > > Bartholomaus Ziegenbalg (1682-1719) and Heinrich Plutschau

> (1677-

> > > 1752)

> > > > collected many palm-leaf books and valuables. Barthalomeo

later

> > > > collected such manuscripts from the South and took them in

> person

> > > to

> > > > Denmark and India (1709-1710). Go to the website, much

> publicized

> > > by

> > > > " The Hindu " about the manuscript collection taken by them and

> > > > kept in Halle - Francke foundations.

> > > >

> > > > Joseph Constanzo (Constantius) Beschi (1680-1742) not only

used

> > > such

> > > > palm-leaf books but also composed a " Tiruccabai Kanitham " .

> > > >

> > > > Collin Mackanzie (1753-c.1820) had completed the work of

taking

> > > entire

> > > > thing in his last strike.

> > > >

> > > > C. P. Brown (1798-1884) too did the same from Andhrapradesh.

> His

> > > > interest in " Cyclic tables " had been enormous exceeding his

> > > > so-called Vemanna's interpretation of society!

> > > >

> > > > All these prove that not only " Parasara " was well known but

the

> > > > works of Parasara had been in great demand in Europe and the

> > > Jesuits

> > > > were quickly procuring and passing them on to Europe.

> > > >

> > > > However, as for as India is concerned, though it is one of

the

> 18

> > > > Siddhantas, it is a myth, because, Varaha Mihira recognized

> only

> > > > " FIVE " . Forget Parasara!

> > > >

> > > > OK, who wanted them in Europe?

> > > >

> > > > Were they fools to study Parasara Smriti like Nobili to know

> how

> > > to make

> > > > sacred thread and so on? Not all, Nobili had been very clever

> in

> > > deed

> > > > (Vincent Cronin, A Pearl to India, p.108). He learned to make

> > > sacred

> > > > thread from Parasara Smriti. Learned how to compute thithis

> etc,.,

> > > from

> > > > Parasara Samhita, but sent the details to Gregory, the Pope.

> > > Discussed

> > > > Kepler laws with Indian astronomers, but sent the Parasara

> Karana

> > > to

> > > > European scientists [K. V. Ramakrishna Rao, Transmission of

> > > Scientific

> > > > Knowledge from Ancient Tamizhagam to Europe (15th to 20th

> > > centuries), a

> > > > paper sent to HEC 2006 Conference, Los Angeles and its Summary

> > > > reportedly published in Hindu Renaissance Journal, though the

> > > author has

> > > > not received any copy!].

> > > >

> > > > Prof. R. N. Iyengar and other scholars like him should take

> > > efforts to

> > > > get back the manuscripts available in foreign Universities,

> > > archives and

> > > > research Institutes.

> > > >

> > > > VEDAPRAKASH

> > > >

> > > > (HC. No. 246, 04-09-2007)

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

>

September 9, 2007

Dear Kaul ji,

I hope you have noticed this mail below. PLEASE STOP CROSS POSTINGS

TO ANCIENT_INDIAN_ASTROLOGY GROUP! If not the same would be treated as

an annoyance to the normal group activity and interest.

Love,

Sreenadh

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote: