[hc] Fwd: The Astronomical Basis of the Catur Yuga System

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hinducivilization , " amsharanx "

<amsharanx wrote:

 

Dear Kauljee:

The blind faith in Aryabhatt's prediction is over

whelming. I was giving a talk on MBH at the Society of Ancient

Indian

History ( Puravid Parishad ) at Patna. One scholar ( Pandeyjee who

worked at Patna Museum ) questioned me because the date did not

match

with Aryabhatt's date. He even spoke a shloka in Sanskrit written by

Aryabhatt. I said that I do not understand Sanskrit but Aryabhatt

could not have calculated with his Tools and his Model of Planets

that far back in time. He was good but that does not mean all his

utterances are bramha-vaakyas.

 

Such is the faith of people who do not use reason but just go by

blind faith.

 

 

 

 

 

hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> Dr. Anand M. Sharan ji,

> Namaskar!

> You are not the only one who is facing the problem about fixing

the

> dates of MBh---(actually about fixing the dates of every event in

> the past!) but almost every other scholar is sailing in the same

> boat, thanks to the mess created by the Surys Sidhanta of Maya the

> mlechha and propounded/propagated by Aryabhata and Varahamihira

etc.

> etc. regaring the imaginary starting date of Kali Yuga!

> The discrepancy about audayika (sunrie) and ardharatrika

(midnight)

> system also appears to have been created deliberately by Aryabhata

> since there was no " audayika " system till then! Initially, he also

> had given the same daily motion as well as fundamental arguments

for

> all the planets etc. as given by the original Surya Sidhanta of

> Panchasidhantika, but it appears that later he realised (his

> mistake!)that since in India day is reckoned from sunrise to

> sunrise, he could not account for exact 3000 years since Kaliyuga

on

> his 23rd birthday, if the Kaliyuga had started at midnight on

> February 17/18, 3102 BCE! As he could not postpone or prepone his

> birthday, he could, however, manipulate the imaginary fundamental

> arguments with their iomaginary daily motions etc. in any manner

> that pleased his fancy! As such, he " recalculated " the daily

motion

> etc. of the Surya Sidhanta basics in such a manner as to make the

> longitudes of all the planets zero at six am Ujjain Meantime on

> February 18, 3102 BCE, instead of midnight of February 17, 3102

> BCE! Thus it became a rage to make beeja corrections in the Surya

> Sidhanta in any way whatsoever as suited the fancies and whims of

> any phalit jyotishi!

>

> The latest example is that not in the distant past, even the

famous

> astronomer V B Ketkar had prepared his " panchanga ganitam "

> initially on the basis of Revati Ayanamsha! However, since the

> longitudes derived from that " Ganita " did not tally with those of

> Grahalaghavam then, he had to " recalculate " his " panchanga-

ganitam "

> to make them subservient to Grahalaghava! Instead of admitting to

> having done so only to safeguard his financial interests, he took

> the plea that his son had explained to him the " accuracy " (read

> financial benefits!) of the so called Chitra Ayanamsha!

>

> I agree with you that Aryabhata was a good mathematician, but, I

am

> sorry to say, he was a miserable astronmoer, if at all he was an

> astronomer! If Lagadha of the Vedanga Jyotisha could clculate

> Uttarayana etc. in 14th century BCE correctly, what prevented

> Aryabhata from doing so after about 18 centuries of that remote

> period? Precession was known to the Greeks in second century BCE

> but it is surprising that Aryabhata, like the charlatan

> Varahamihira, did not know anything about such an important

> phenomenon even in the fifth century AD, more than six hundred

years

> of its discovery! He believed more in Maya the mlechha than in

his

> own common sense or even dharmashastra, sinc the Vedanga Jyotisha

is

> even today regarded at par with the Vedas!

> I am afraid we will have to knock all such high " authorites " down

by

> a couple of notches from their pedestals if we want to really

> streamline our calendars and put the real Vedic astronomy back on

> the tracks! We cannot leave that job to phalit jyotishis, as has

> been done by us over the last two thousand years, and the results

> are there for anybody to see! Ironically and even tragiclly,

nobody

> wants to see those results since it hurts their financial

interests!

> And it is really sad that these days we are aligned to Lahiris and

> Ramans and Kharegats and " Muladhara-wallas " instead of to the real

> seasons, as propopnunded in the Vedas and even Puranas!

> With regards,

> A K Kaul

> hinducivilization , " amsharanx "

> <amsharanx@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Shree Kauljee:

> > The Aryabhatt's starting time of all planets

> around

> > 3000 BC ( from a line ) and his dating of MBH have caused immense

> > problems for me while proving the date of MBH to be 2156 BC. If

> you go

> > through the literature on the starting date of MBH - most

others ,

> > some how or other, find some reason to come up with their dates

> around

> > 3000 BC. It is amazing what some statements by Aryabhatt could

have

> > such a vast effect. He was a brilliant mathematician and

astronomer

> > nevertheless.

> >

> > Regarding Kerala mathematicians - they are

quite

> > late in the Indian History. The School of Astronomy was at

> Pataliputra

> > all along , and then moved to Ujjain with Chandragupta II's

> victory

> > over the Saka kings around 400 AD. His son, Kumar Gupta ,

started

> the

> > Nalanda University where astronomy was taught. The capital of the

> > Gupta Dynasty remained at Pataliputra. This is where Aryabhatt

> lived.

> > Some of his contributions to astronomy can be seen at Eran (

Madhya

> > Pradesh ), where I have visited recently. I am hoping my paper

> would

> > come out soon.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Anand M. Sharan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> > <jyotirved@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sarvashree Bhalachandra Thattey and Dr. Anand M. Sharan ji,

> > > Namaskar!

> > > The views about Aryabhata had been expressed by Shri Sreenadh

at

> > > HinduCalendar forum. He is, to the best of my knowledge, not

a

> Jain

> > > himself and hails from Kerala! He is the owner/moderator of

> > > http://groups/yaho.com

> > > forum and is a member of

> > > HinduCalendar

> > > frorum. The latter one is " owned " by me, though just

notionally!

> > > Both these forums, like hinducivilization, are un-moderated

for

> > > posts and any opinions expressed by anybody are usually

debated

> > > throughly even if it is just one member who responds to those

> views.

> > > I am forwarding your views to Shri Sreenadh.

> > >

> > > In any case, it remains an undisputed fact that Aryabhata had

> > > purloined the fundamental arguments of all the planets from

the

> > > original Surya Sidhanta as given in the Pancha Sidhantika and

it

> is

> > > that very system that is known as ardha-ratrika system, since

> the

> > > much debated yet elusive and non-existent Kaliyuga is suppoed

to

> > > have started at " ardharatri " i.e. midnight, (that also Ujjain

> mean

> > > time!) on February 17/18, 3102 BC. Later, he manipulated

these

> very

> > > funamental arguments in his another book to make them yield

zero

> > > degree longitudes for all the planets for 6-0 am of February

18,

> > > 3102 BC. This one is known as the Audayika system, since the

> poor

> > > Aryabhata did not even know that the sun could not have risen

at

> > > exact six o'clock, Ujjain Mean Time, on that date! In any

case,

> > > Arybhata did play his role in making Hindus all the more

> dependent

> > > on and reverant towards the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the

mlechha,

> > > instead of doing some independent research of his own to

arrive

> at

> > > the coorect duration of the year or to make the calculated

> results

> > > tally exactly with vedha i.e. practical observations! But

then,

> > > that wa not the fate of India -- to make any worthwile

progress

> in

> > > astronomy since we had become complete phalit jyotishis by

then

> > > instead of ganitajnyas, thanks to the Yavana (Greek!)

influence!

> > >

> > > With regards,

> > > A K Kaul

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > hinducivilization , " Bhalchandra

Thattey "

> > > <bgthattey@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > It is a well established trend amongst the Jains to claim

all

> the

> > > good

> > > > things and characters of India i.e. Bharat as their own. I

> have

> > > noticed it

> > >

>

 

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