[hc] Fwd: The Astronomical Basis of the Catur Yuga System

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hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

 

Dr. Anand M. Sharan ji,

Namaskar!

You are not the only one who is facing the problem about fixing the

dates of MBh---(actually about fixing the dates of every event in

the past!) but almost every other scholar is sailing in the same

boat, thanks to the mess created by the Surys Sidhanta of Maya the

mlechha and propounded/propagated by Aryabhata and Varahamihira etc.

etc. regaring the imaginary starting date of Kali Yuga!

The discrepancy about audayika (sunrie) and ardharatrika (midnight)

system also appears to have been created deliberately by Aryabhata

since there was no " audayika " system till then! Initially, he also

had given the same daily motion as well as fundamental arguments for

all the planets etc. as given by the original Surya Sidhanta of

Panchasidhantika, but it appears that later he realised (his

mistake!)that since in India day is reckoned from sunrise to

sunrise, he could not account for exact 3000 years since Kaliyuga on

his 23rd birthday, if the Kaliyuga had started at midnight on

February 17/18, 3102 BCE! As he could not postpone or prepone his

birthday, he could, however, manipulate the imaginary fundamental

arguments with their iomaginary daily motions etc. in any manner

that pleased his fancy! As such, he " recalculated " the daily motion

etc. of the Surya Sidhanta basics in such a manner as to make the

longitudes of all the planets zero at six am Ujjain Meantime on

February 18, 3102 BCE, instead of midnight of February 17, 3102

BCE! Thus it became a rage to make beeja corrections in the Surya

Sidhanta in any way whatsoever as suited the fancies and whims of

any phalit jyotishi!

 

The latest example is that not in the distant past, even the famous

astronomer V B Ketkar had prepared his " panchanga ganitam "

initially on the basis of Revati Ayanamsha! However, since the

longitudes derived from that " Ganita " did not tally with those of

Grahalaghavam then, he had to " recalculate " his " panchanga-ganitam "

to make them subservient to Grahalaghava! Instead of admitting to

having done so only to safeguard his financial interests, he took

the plea that his son had explained to him the " accuracy " (read

financial benefits!) of the so called Chitra Ayanamsha!

 

I agree with you that Aryabhata was a good mathematician, but, I am

sorry to say, he was a miserable astronmoer, if at all he was an

astronomer! If Lagadha of the Vedanga Jyotisha could clculate

Uttarayana etc. in 14th century BCE correctly, what prevented

Aryabhata from doing so after about 18 centuries of that remote

period? Precession was known to the Greeks in second century BCE

but it is surprising that Aryabhata, like the charlatan

Varahamihira, did not know anything about such an important

phenomenon even in the fifth century AD, more than six hundred years

of its discovery! He believed more in Maya the mlechha than in his

own common sense or even dharmashastra, sinc the Vedanga Jyotisha is

even today regarded at par with the Vedas!

I am afraid we will have to knock all such high " authorites " down by

a couple of notches from their pedestals if we want to really

streamline our calendars and put the real Vedic astronomy back on

the tracks! We cannot leave that job to phalit jyotishis, as has

been done by us over the last two thousand years, and the results

are there for anybody to see! Ironically and even tragiclly, nobody

wants to see those results since it hurts their financial interests!

And it is really sad that these days we are aligned to Lahiris and

Ramans and Kharegats and " Muladhara-wallas " instead of to the real

seasons, as propopnunded in the Vedas and even Puranas!

With regards,

A K Kaul

hinducivilization , " amsharanx "

<amsharanx@> wrote:

>

> Dear Shree Kauljee:

> The Aryabhatt's starting time of all planets

around

> 3000 BC ( from a line ) and his dating of MBH have caused immense

> problems for me while proving the date of MBH to be 2156 BC. If

you go

> through the literature on the starting date of MBH - most others ,

> some how or other, find some reason to come up with their dates

around

> 3000 BC. It is amazing what some statements by Aryabhatt could have

> such a vast effect. He was a brilliant mathematician and astronomer

> nevertheless.

>

> Regarding Kerala mathematicians - they are quite

> late in the Indian History. The School of Astronomy was at

Pataliputra

> all along , and then moved to Ujjain with Chandragupta II's

victory

> over the Saka kings around 400 AD. His son, Kumar Gupta , started

the

> Nalanda University where astronomy was taught. The capital of the

> Gupta Dynasty remained at Pataliputra. This is where Aryabhatt

lived.

> Some of his contributions to astronomy can be seen at Eran ( Madhya

> Pradesh ), where I have visited recently. I am hoping my paper

would

> come out soon.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Anand M. Sharan

>

hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

> >

> > Sarvashree Bhalachandra Thattey and Dr. Anand M. Sharan ji,

> > Namaskar!

> > The views about Aryabhata had been expressed by Shri Sreenadh at

> > HinduCalendar forum. He is, to the best of my knowledge, not a

Jain

> > himself and hails from Kerala! He is the owner/moderator of

> > http://groups/yaho.com

> > forum and is a member of

> > HinduCalendar

> > frorum. The latter one is " owned " by me, though just notionally!

> > Both these forums, like hinducivilization, are un-moderated for

> > posts and any opinions expressed by anybody are usually debated

> > throughly even if it is just one member who responds to those

views.

> > I am forwarding your views to Shri Sreenadh.

> >

> > In any case, it remains an undisputed fact that Aryabhata had

> > purloined the fundamental arguments of all the planets from the

> > original Surya Sidhanta as given in the Pancha Sidhantika and it

is

> > that very system that is known as ardha-ratrika system, since

the

> > much debated yet elusive and non-existent Kaliyuga is suppoed to

> > have started at " ardharatri " i.e. midnight, (that also Ujjain

mean

> > time!) on February 17/18, 3102 BC. Later, he manipulated these

very

> > funamental arguments in his another book to make them yield zero

> > degree longitudes for all the planets for 6-0 am of February 18,

> > 3102 BC. This one is known as the Audayika system, since the

poor

> > Aryabhata did not even know that the sun could not have risen at

> > exact six o'clock, Ujjain Mean Time, on that date! In any case,

> > Arybhata did play his role in making Hindus all the more

dependent

> > on and reverant towards the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha,

> > instead of doing some independent research of his own to arrive

at

> > the coorect duration of the year or to make the calculated

results

> > tally exactly with vedha i.e. practical observations! But then,

> > that wa not the fate of India -- to make any worthwile progress

in

> > astronomy since we had become complete phalit jyotishis by then

> > instead of ganitajnyas, thanks to the Yavana (Greek!) influence!

> >

> > With regards,

> > A K Kaul

> >

> >

> >

> > hinducivilization , " Bhalchandra Thattey "

> > <bgthattey@> wrote:

> > >

> > > It is a well established trend amongst the Jains to claim all

the

> > good

> > > things and characters of India i.e. Bharat as their own. I

have

> > noticed it

> >

 

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