Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar,Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab Millionaires,with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. Raj Bhardwaj Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Kulbir, > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions about it, I am sure :-) > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > Simple observational FACT! > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > Rohiniranjan > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various > > planets as follows > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9, > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9 > > strength respectively. > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power. > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan. > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > Regards > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman. > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > To: <%40> > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > football and > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > Regards > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > <%40>, > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Raj Ji, You misunderstood me and inflated whatever I said beyond all proportions. No mortal is beyond the power of horoscopes. My horoscope worked normally till I was 18 years old. Then, some events in my life made all planets worse than they were earlier. Later, a great sadhu taught me how to rectify these evil effects, and I continued to follow his advice even after the rectification, which has made even bad planets benefic for me to a great extent. But it does not mean my horoscope has ceased to exert its influence. All I mean is that its working has transformed a great deal and those who have not tried to change their fate through lifelong Tapasya will never understand me. I am giving an instance. Currently, I am going through MD of Mercury (lord of 9th and 12th, sitting in 5th) and AD of Venus(lagnesh and astamesha, sitting in 3rd) : can it predict my lifestyle, subsisting on a single meal per day without salts, oils or spices, sleeping without any comforting gaddaa, etc? although I have no shortage of money & c. Arjuna said on many occassions in Mahabharata that actual outcome in life is a combination of Praarabdha (horoscope) and Purushaartha (free will accompanying proper efforts). If Purushaartha goes beyond a certain limit, Praarabdha loses its hold. You know the power of propitiation of planets. Popular methods of propitiation are very mild and weak. But they work. Another reason is that you will waste your time unless you work with Kundalee software. I am not boasting, I am simply stating the truth which hurts the sentiments of many members unnecessarily. For a long time, many persons are complaining of installation problems, which is due to version differences, but you are complaining of download problem which means you should check your server. Nearly 6000 persons have SUCCESSFULLY downloaded Kundalee through internet, although many of them have not succeeded in installing it. I am still not able to settle down on my desk, hence fixing these problems will take some time. I do not care what Jhas and Mishras and others do or say. I never allow a Jha or Mishra or a Bhardwaj to touch me, my clothes, my choolhaa, bed, & c. Some of these Jhas & c feel offended. I do not believe in untouchability which is a psychological disease because Soul cannot be touched, but I keep away from everyone. Rohini Ji says I should keep away from internet too because I am polluting it with " confusing " things like undownloadable software and intangible ideas. I fail to understand why he reads these " confusing " things ; I keep away from fora and members who appear to be confusing to me. Today I finished the AD portion of KCD in Kundalee and I do not care if it remains unused by everyone. I am satisfied with the results, that is all I wanted. -VJ =============================== === , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > Vinay Ji, > Namaste! Actually I had some other Jha in mind. Why so, because with your great Tapasya you have been able to change the course of planets in your chart,and made to make your Janampatri blank 'Free from the planatery impact ,influences and you had conveyed to me that I will never be able to understand your Janampatri, for which I did little Baalhath. Having received your clarification I knew that your Janampatri is beyond the scope of anyone, and not even you,hence no fresh requesgt waas made for your birth details by me. That is why please do not presume for a moment that when I referred about 'Mishras and Jhaas', I had you in mind. My great wishes to your for the revised version of Kundalee with the earnest hope that with your great efforts, you will also endevour to make it easily downloadable ,as I have failed in my three attempts so far! Perhaps it is not destined for 'Chaandal Shishyas' like me. > > Raj Bhardwaj > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > Lalkitab's scaling is based upon average values, actual strength in warfare is decided by actual size of the Bimba (image) of a planet. A planet in opposition is not of same apparent size as that conjunct. > > > > I had no intention of intruding in this thread because Raj Bhai feared that " Mishras and Jhas could hijack this thread too, like the Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. Because as it is, there is centuries old rivalry between Mishr and Jha in Darbhanga side of Bihar. " > > > > I have no desire to " hijack " such a lofty thread. There are some others who relish in such threads. > > > > -VJ > > ============================== == > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though you did mention him idhar udhar! > > > > > > Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar,Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab Millionaires,with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice questions about it, I am sure :-) > > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy all the > > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with reference to any > > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens when Sun and > > > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the strengths of various > > > > > > planets as follows > > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, Mercury =4/9, > > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon having 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > > > strength respectively. > > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual power. > > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by Pakistan. > > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden brings sweat > > > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with combination of > > > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with Rahu it is very > > > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of buddhimaan ji > > > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom .Also an young > > > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like a > > > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2010 Report Share Posted April 5, 2010 Respected Sir VJha ji, I tried to download it on my computer but there was some complication.I downloaded it on my friends computer, it got installed and is working efficiently. Sir, kindly address this problem. It will help many like me. Respect and Regards Kulbir Bains. On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:07 PM, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > Raj Ji, > > You misunderstood me and inflated whatever I said beyond all proportions. > No mortal is beyond the power of horoscopes. My horoscope worked normally > till I was 18 years old. Then, some events in my life made all planets worse > than they were earlier. Later, a great sadhu taught me how to rectify these > evil effects, and I continued to follow his advice even after the > rectification, which has made even bad planets benefic for me to a great > extent. But it does not mean my horoscope has ceased to exert its influence. > All I mean is that its working has transformed a great deal and those who > have not tried to change their fate through lifelong Tapasya will never > understand me. I am giving an instance. > > Currently, I am going through MD of Mercury (lord of 9th and 12th, sitting > in 5th) and AD of Venus(lagnesh and astamesha, sitting in 3rd) : can it > predict my lifestyle, subsisting on a single meal per day without salts, > oils or spices, sleeping without any comforting gaddaa, etc? although I have > no shortage of money & c. > > Arjuna said on many occassions in Mahabharata that actual outcome in life > is a combination of Praarabdha (horoscope) and Purushaartha (free will > accompanying proper efforts). If Purushaartha goes beyond a certain limit, > Praarabdha loses its hold. You know the power of propitiation of planets. > Popular methods of propitiation are very mild and weak. But they work. > > Another reason is that you will waste your time unless you work with > Kundalee software. I am not boasting, I am simply stating the truth which > hurts the sentiments of many members unnecessarily. For a long time, many > persons are complaining of installation problems, which is due to version > differences, but you are complaining of download problem which means you > should check your server. Nearly 6000 persons have SUCCESSFULLY downloaded > Kundalee through internet, although many of them have not succeeded in > installing it. I am still not able to settle down on my desk, hence fixing > these problems will take some time. > > I do not care what Jhas and Mishras and others do or say. I never allow a > Jha or Mishra or a Bhardwaj to touch me, my clothes, my choolhaa, bed, & c. > Some of these Jhas & c feel offended. I do not believe in untouchability > which is a psychological disease because Soul cannot be touched, but I keep > away from everyone. Rohini Ji says I should keep away from internet too > because I am polluting it with " confusing " things like undownloadable > software and intangible ideas. I fail to understand why he reads these > " confusing " things ; I keep away from fora and members who appear to be > confusing to me. > > Today I finished the AD portion of KCD in Kundalee and I do not care if it > remains unused by everyone. I am satisfied with the results, that is all I > wanted. > > -VJ > =============================== === > <%40>, > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > > Vinay Ji, > > Namaste! Actually I had some other Jha in mind. Why so, because with your > great Tapasya you have been able to change the course of planets in your > chart,and made to make your Janampatri blank 'Free from the planatery impact > ,influences and you had conveyed to me that I will never be able to > understand your Janampatri, for which I did little Baalhath. Having received > your clarification I knew that your Janampatri is beyond the scope of > anyone, and not even you,hence no fresh requesgt waas made for your birth > details by me. That is why please do not presume for a moment that when I > referred about 'Mishras and Jhaas', I had you in mind. My great wishes to > your for the revised version of Kundalee with the earnest hope that with > your great efforts, you will also endevour to make it easily downloadable > ,as I have failed in my three attempts so far! Perhaps it is not destined > for 'Chaandal Shishyas' like me. > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > <%40>, > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > Lalkitab's scaling is based upon average values, actual strength in > warfare is decided by actual size of the Bimba (image) of a planet. A planet > in opposition is not of same apparent size as that conjunct. > > > > > > I had no intention of intruding in this thread because Raj Bhai feared > that " Mishras and Jhas could hijack this thread too, like the Mahapandit > Raavaan Ji maharaj. Because as it is, there is centuries old rivalry between > Mishr and Jha in Darbhanga side of Bihar. " > > > > > > I have no desire to " hijack " such a lofty thread. There are some others > who relish in such threads. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============================== == > > > > --- In <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though > you did mention him idhar udhar! > > > > > > > > Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar,Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal > Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai > Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... > Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have > started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do > not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab > Millionaires,with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in > this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 > sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of > Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this > little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best > wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia > etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > > > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice > questions about it, I am sure :-) > > > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab > indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: > POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice > that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and > Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, > 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 > luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision > being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as > these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the > biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in > Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki > lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the > chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy > all the > > > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > reference to any > > > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens > when Sun and > > > > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the > strengths of various > > > > > > > planets as follows > > > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, > Mercury =4/9, > > > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon > having 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > > > > strength respectively. > > > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual > power. > > > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by > Pakistan. > > > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden > brings sweat > > > > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all > Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and > beneficial[with > > > > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with > combination of > > > > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with > Rahu it is very > > > > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40>, > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of > buddhimaan ji > > > > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom > .Also an young > > > > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can > Control > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like > a > > > > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > <%40> > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Kulbir Ji, I am myself surprised why my software is so selective ! It gets installed on some machines and rejects others, as you also report ! I compiled in an old version of Visual Basic with Windows XP on my machine, both being Microsoft products. Microsoft keeps on changing its DLL files which constitute its Windows API library (Windows is actually a set of these DLL files), and some DLL files are used by Kundalee program. I am on a long tour. When I get time to settle down, I will update Visual Basic and recompile Kundalee. If it still creates problems, I will revise the entire program, removing all DLL files from my program. From some of your messages, I inferred you have little or no faith in BPHS, which is the most comprehensive text on Vedic Phalita Jyotisha, although more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries. If I am in the wrong, please correct me. -VJ =========================== == , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Respected Sir VJha ji, > I tried to download it on my computer but there was some complication.I > downloaded it on my friends computer, it got installed and is working > efficiently. > Sir, kindly address this problem. It will help many like me. > Respect and Regards > Kulbir Bains. > > On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 9:07 PM, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > > > > > Raj Ji, > > > > You misunderstood me and inflated whatever I said beyond all proportions. > > No mortal is beyond the power of horoscopes. My horoscope worked normally > > till I was 18 years old. Then, some events in my life made all planets worse > > than they were earlier. Later, a great sadhu taught me how to rectify these > > evil effects, and I continued to follow his advice even after the > > rectification, which has made even bad planets benefic for me to a great > > extent. But it does not mean my horoscope has ceased to exert its influence. > > All I mean is that its working has transformed a great deal and those who > > have not tried to change their fate through lifelong Tapasya will never > > understand me. I am giving an instance. > > > > Currently, I am going through MD of Mercury (lord of 9th and 12th, sitting > > in 5th) and AD of Venus(lagnesh and astamesha, sitting in 3rd) : can it > > predict my lifestyle, subsisting on a single meal per day without salts, > > oils or spices, sleeping without any comforting gaddaa, etc? although I have > > no shortage of money & c. > > > > Arjuna said on many occassions in Mahabharata that actual outcome in life > > is a combination of Praarabdha (horoscope) and Purushaartha (free will > > accompanying proper efforts). If Purushaartha goes beyond a certain limit, > > Praarabdha loses its hold. You know the power of propitiation of planets. > > Popular methods of propitiation are very mild and weak. But they work. > > > > Another reason is that you will waste your time unless you work with > > Kundalee software. I am not boasting, I am simply stating the truth which > > hurts the sentiments of many members unnecessarily. For a long time, many > > persons are complaining of installation problems, which is due to version > > differences, but you are complaining of download problem which means you > > should check your server. Nearly 6000 persons have SUCCESSFULLY downloaded > > Kundalee through internet, although many of them have not succeeded in > > installing it. I am still not able to settle down on my desk, hence fixing > > these problems will take some time. > > > > I do not care what Jhas and Mishras and others do or say. I never allow a > > Jha or Mishra or a Bhardwaj to touch me, my clothes, my choolhaa, bed, & c. > > Some of these Jhas & c feel offended. I do not believe in untouchability > > which is a psychological disease because Soul cannot be touched, but I keep > > away from everyone. Rohini Ji says I should keep away from internet too > > because I am polluting it with " confusing " things like undownloadable > > software and intangible ideas. I fail to understand why he reads these > > " confusing " things ; I keep away from fora and members who appear to be > > confusing to me. > > > > Today I finished the AD portion of KCD in Kundalee and I do not care if it > > remains unused by everyone. I am satisfied with the results, that is all I > > wanted. > > > > -VJ > > =============================== === > > <%40>, > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > Vinay Ji, > > > Namaste! Actually I had some other Jha in mind. Why so, because with your > > great Tapasya you have been able to change the course of planets in your > > chart,and made to make your Janampatri blank 'Free from the planatery impact > > ,influences and you had conveyed to me that I will never be able to > > understand your Janampatri, for which I did little Baalhath. Having received > > your clarification I knew that your Janampatri is beyond the scope of > > anyone, and not even you,hence no fresh requesgt waas made for your birth > > details by me. That is why please do not presume for a moment that when I > > referred about 'Mishras and Jhaas', I had you in mind. My great wishes to > > your for the revised version of Kundalee with the earnest hope that with > > your great efforts, you will also endevour to make it easily downloadable > > ,as I have failed in my three attempts so far! Perhaps it is not destined > > for 'Chaandal Shishyas' like me. > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lalkitab's scaling is based upon average values, actual strength in > > warfare is decided by actual size of the Bimba (image) of a planet. A planet > > in opposition is not of same apparent size as that conjunct. > > > > > > > > I had no intention of intruding in this thread because Raj Bhai feared > > that " Mishras and Jhas could hijack this thread too, like the Mahapandit > > Raavaan Ji maharaj. Because as it is, there is centuries old rivalry between > > Mishr and Jha in Darbhanga side of Bihar. " > > > > > > > > I have no desire to " hijack " such a lofty thread. There are some others > > who relish in such threads. > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > ============================== == > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > TEEN Deepak, Dada! Chotaay praa ko 'pool' gayay tussi? Even though > > you did mention him idhar udhar! > > > > > > > > > > Did you notice the ONE planet that I missed? It was not intentional! > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > WAAH.. My Biradar,Sahodar,Brother,Bhai Rohini..khoob kahi!Crystal > > Clear! Donon Chhote Deepak sahee, magar deepak to hain. Nirbal se Ladai > > Balwaan kee, Yeh kahani hai Diye kee Aur Toofaan ki. Abhi itnaa hi... > > Manzilen aur bhi hain.Had I known Kulbir some times Back,I might have > > started learning Lal Kitaab,as he is making it so interesting, and now do > > not feel the need to read it. There are hundreds of Lal Kitaab > > Millionaires,with still roaring business in Delhi world and Bombay world in > > this region,and lot many come to me after having date with them (my 2 > > sisters and one sister in law included(better- half of my Idol who died of > > Cancer 3 months back.And having seen all the metros and polis,I am in this > > little town for past 2 years and permanently now. No money, but lots of best > > wishes and blessings from every one in this town.Even my friends in Bolivia > > etc also do not have any lure. Getting Old fast you know ! > > > > > > With my lots of affections,and Kulbir included. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > Sh Aditya Jyotish Kendra > > > > > > Pracheen Sh Hanuman Mandir > > > > > > Dera-Bassi (on Ambala-Chandigarh highway)Panjab > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have not read Lal Kitab as you well know from my novice > > questions about it, I am sure :-) > > > > > > > But in this progression that goes from 9/9 to 1/9 which Lal Kitab > > indicated as strength is perhaps indicative of another factor, namely: > > POTENTIAL and UNCERTAINTY! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Strongest is the enemy who is hidden, and unfathomable! Notice > > that saturn, rahu and ketu, the three dreaded planets for most Jyotishis and > > Jataks are having the lowest 'visibility', the lowest PREDICTABILITY 3/9, > > 2/9 and 1/9! While Surya remains, naturally, the most visible = 9/9 > > luminescence and Moon next: 8/9 and Venus the next brightest to human vision > > being 7/9 and then Jupiter and Mercury and then the three 'gundaas'! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This strength is obviously about luminiscence, BRIGHTNESS as > > these show up to human vision in the skies ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Simple observational FACT! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In this warfare between planets and humans, ketu then remains the > > biggest malefic, the biggest unknown, the greatest Guerilla and Commando in > > Military lingo! Kahan, kab, kaisay gardan pakdaygaa koi nahin jaantaa! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tabhi to Parashar Maharaj nay (shaayad in ALL versions!) kaha ki > > lunar nodes can assume the shape and functions of any other planet in the > > chart. Hence my term SHAPESHIFTER jo Raj Dada nay bakhoobi pakda! :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40>, > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji, > > > > > > > > O.K. lets accept your your point for arguments sake// Actualy > > all the > > > > > > > > Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and beneficial[with > > reference to any > > > > > > > > chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth.// > > > > > > > > Now kindly consider Which is Powerful Sun or Rahu, What happens > > when Sun and > > > > > > > > Rahu come together, or when Rahu is in house no 1 or 5. > > > > > > > > In the Chapter of Mercury itself Lalkitab describes the > > strengths of various > > > > > > > > planets as follows > > > > > > > > Sun = 9/9, Moon=8/9, Venus =7/9, Jupiter =6/9, Mars = 5/9, > > Mercury =4/9, > > > > > > > > Saturn =3/9, Rahu = 2/9, Ketu = 1/9. > > > > > > > > Rahu and Ketu with strength cause eclipde to Sun and moon > > having 9/9 and 8/9 > > > > > > > > strength respectively. > > > > > > > > Practical implementation Sir; That's What brings out the actual > > power. > > > > > > > > Just for reference sake India is a greater power but plagued by > > Pakistan. > > > > > > > > and super power USA and Afghanistan. Mention of Osama bin laden > > brings sweat > > > > > > > > on forehead of controllers of this super power. > > > > > > > > FEAR IS RESPECTED SIR. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 3, 2010 at 10:54 AM, inder <indervohra2001@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is basically a weak planet as I understand.Not at-all > > Shaktiman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actualy all the Shaktimaans should have a good, strong, and > > beneficial[with > > > > > > > > > reference to any chart] Mercury. Reverse is not truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We should not confused with a native and her/his chart with > > combination of > > > > > > > > > planets and planets characterstics in pure form. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is shishya or uncle or nurse or anything but with > > Rahu it is very > > > > > > > > > comfortable and its characterstics get magnified with Rahu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sir Ji > > > > > > > > > > A logical planet and is having every reason for misdeeds.of > > buddhimaan ji > > > > > > > > > kaThis is unique with his neutral gender and takes freedom > > .Also an young > > > > > > > > > planet.HARkTEN JYada saab ji > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling > > > > > > > > > services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can > > Control > > > > > > > > > Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 4/2/10, Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > To: <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, April 2, 2010, 11:28 AM > > > > > > > > > > > SiRR ji, > > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab bestows the title SHAKTIMAAN to mercury only > > > > > > > > > > > amongst all nine. > > > > > > > > > > > Increase of fat in body. stomach protruding outside like > > a > > > > > > > > > > > football and > > > > > > > > > > > waistline getting round is considered as signs of weak > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter that has been > > > > > > > > > > > influenced malefically by Mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is very naughty shishya, he gets the gyan but > > > > > > > > > > > disturbs all other > > > > > > > > > > > planets(classmates) in getting it in proper form. > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury is not weak fOllow but a mischievious fOLLoVer. > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:44 AM, rohinicrystal > > <jyotish_vani@ > > > > > > > > > ...>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given all the typos in your posting, Inder bhai, > > > > > > > > > > > perhaps you meant: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Shishya may be a Mercury-weak fOllow... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury and Saturn make poor followers for obvious > > > > > > > > > > > reasons! And ketu too! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Raj, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As compared to poised and elagant and fatty > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter, Shishya may be a > > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury-weak fellow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rahu can not magnify the fatty Jupiter but > > > > > > > > > > > Mercury gets more vibrant, > > > > > > > > > > > > manificant and so on with Rahu and Ketu. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Shishya Chandal match is perfect match. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With the effects Rahu so many kingdoms and > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaks are destroyed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mordern days elections are all about > > > > > > > > > > > effects.Election are won and lost by > > > > > > > > > > > > ripples and effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And for post martem analysis on TV etc our > > > > > > > > > > > Mecurian bhais journalists > > > > > > > > > > > > magnfy their expainations to make you understand the > > > > > > > > > > > things which are not > > > > > > > > > > > > there. Chaandal Shishya effects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > > " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear all, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All my dears who have commented on the > > > > > > > > > > > Guru-Chaandal so far, I would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > like to request that I am still waiting for > > > > > > > > > > > my query about such a Yoga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which can be termed as 'CHAANDAL SHISHYA `. > > > > > > > > > > > The thread so far has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > been very lively and en-lightening! There is > > > > > > > > > > > fear that Mishras and Jhas > > > > > > > > > > > > > > could hijack this thread too, like the > > > > > > > > > > > Mahapandit Raavaan Ji maharaj. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because as it is, there is centuries old > > > > > > > > > > > rivalry between Mishr and Jha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in Darbhanga side of Bihar. Mishr says , he > > > > > > > > > > > is the top class Brahmin > > > > > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jha says he is the Number One. It is other > > > > > > > > > > > matter that Ojha is also > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there somewhere in North India. At least I > > > > > > > > > > > have a shield with me > > > > > > > > > > > > because > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhardwaj, Bharadwaj and Bharadwaja are in > > > > > > > > > > > all parts of the country. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am in bit of hurry, as my > > > > > > > > > > > Shani-Shukra-Ketu is ending on 10/04/2010. > > > > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have one more feeling that in the end I may > > > > > > > > > > > have to sing a duet, which > > > > > > > > > > > > > > can be between lovers ( Premi and Premika) > > > > > > > > > > > or Guru-Shishya or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shishya-Guru or may be....any two less or > > > > > > > > > > > more enlighted persons, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > which Sahir Ludhianavi Saheb gave to the > > > > > > > > > > > world in the era of > > > > > > > > > > > > romanticism > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after we won our freedom. Now there is no > > > > > > > > > > > romanticism only crude xxx, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RDxxx.. in all it's perceived Roopas or > > > > > > > > > > > Ku-roopas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mujhe Bhool bhi jayo, toh yeh hak hai > > > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meri Baat aur hai, maine to Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > > > hai. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. " Tumkoo duniya ke ghamo daard se phursaat > > > > > > > > > > > na sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sabse ulfaat sahee, mujhse hi Mohabbat na > > > > > > > > > > > sahee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Main tumhara (i) hoon , yahee mere liye kya > > > > > > > > > > > kam hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum mere ho ke raho , yeh meri kismet naa > > > > > > > > > > > sahi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar jee ko churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > > > tumko, meri baat aur hai…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Zindagee sirf mohabbat nahin, kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Zulf-o-rukhsaar ki jannat nahin kuchh aur > > > > > > > > > > > bhi hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhookh aur Pyaas ki maree hui iss duniya > > > > > > > > > > > main, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ishq hi ek haqeeqat nahin kuchh aur bhee > > > > > > > > > > > hai, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum agar aankh churayo, toh yeh haq hai > > > > > > > > > > > tumko, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maine Tumse hi nahin Sab se Mohabbat ki > > > > > > > > > > > hai………..! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > AND... another great poet Kavi Pradeep in > > > > > > > > > > > `Jagriti' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Atom bamo ke zor pe ainthee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barood ke ik dher pe baithee hai ye duniya, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tum har kaadam uthaana zaara dekh-bhaal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Iss Desh ko rakhna mere Bachho sambhal ke > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ham layen hai toofan se kishti nikaal ke , > > > > > > > > > > > iss desh ko rakhna…. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > > " inder " <indervohra2001@> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir jee, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not Tughlaki farman, it was well and > > > > > > > > > > > deep thought of farman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But but.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlaki farmans were also well > > > > > > > > > > > planned,and thought off, but went > > > > > > > > > > > > > > topsy turvy. Rahu was not favorable to poor > > > > > > > > > > > Tughlak. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40> > > <%40> > > > > > > > > > <%40>, > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder; > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Some reasoned reply may help me > > > > > > > > > > > instead of this Tughlaki Farmaan. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have come to learn here so it > > > > > > > > > > > matters at least to me. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Chaandal Yoga & > > > > > > > > > > > INTERNET > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wednesday, 31 March, 2010 6:10 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I donot agree with you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Anyway does'nt matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @ > > > > > > > > > > > . com, Kulbir Bains > > > > > > > > > > > > <lalkitabkb@ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR > > > > > > > > > > > ji has answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding > > > > > > > > > > > what Lalkitab says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > House no 11. represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > > > > earning. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In 11th > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > house itself, is the seat of > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incurred > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > karma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > via Rahu and Ketu before > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on the seat > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of judge > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but Saturn is the drishti to > > > > > > > > > > > guide it). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here Saturn proposes the > > > > > > > > > > > judgement but Jupiter passes it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > recommendation and keeping > > > > > > > > > > > presence of omniscient in mind. (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 > > > > > > > > > > > PM, inder <indervohra2001@ ...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is > > > > > > > > > > > Judge-ruleful, lawful, pro-cons,judgement. [correct > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter + Saturn becomes > > > > > > > > > > > philospher.[ nothing good or bad, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thinking > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > makes it so] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars with Jupiter > > > > > > > > > > > logic[logician] , without reading the law > > > > > > > > > > > > > > books he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > would > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > give arguments which may > > > > > > > > > > > win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 8:53 AM, > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains lalkitabkb@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Inder Ji , Although RR ji has > > > > > > > > > > > answered the query in best > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pragmatic way > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > possible; I am just adding what > > > > > > > > > > > Lalkitab says.House no 11. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > represents SABKI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > APNI APNI AAMDANI one's OWN > > > > > > > > > > > earning. In 11th house itself, is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seat of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > justice/judge. Saturn takes the > > > > > > > > > > > incurred karma via Rahu and Ketu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > before > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter. (Jupiter is sitting on > > > > > > > > > > > the seat of judge but Saturn is the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > drishti > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to guide it).Here Saturn proposes > > > > > > > > > > > the judgement but Jupiter passes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it on > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn's recommendation and > > > > > > > > > > > keeping presence of omniscient in mind. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (khuda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ko hazir mankar). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:02 PM, > > > > > > > > > > > inder indervohra2001@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Kulbir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter is Judge-ruleful, lawful, > > > > > > > > > > > pro-cons,judgement.[correct or > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > incorrect]Saturn is illegal,[but > > > > > > > > > > > may be correct],thinking.Jupiter + > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturn > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > becomes philospher.[nothing good > > > > > > > > > > > or bad, but thinking makes it > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so]Mars with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jupiter logic[logician], without > > > > > > > > > > > reading the law books he would > > > > > > > > > > > > give > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arguments which may win him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Inder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message > > > > > > > > > > > have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Dear Jha Saheb, This is interesting! Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! I suppose 8/60 is not a big difference! Particularly when BPHS was probably not even 'penned down' (as read today!) for centuries before it was SPOKEN! RR_, , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: .... BPHS, which is the most comprehensive text on Vedic Phalita Jyotisha, although more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries...> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 RR JI, I wrote about BPHS : " more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries " . You changed my meaning by quipping : " Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! " . Sage Parashara 'composed' BPHS, in which the initial B (Brihat) was added only after Madhya and Laghu were compiled (by others, based on Sage Parashara's phalita work). I never said Sage Parashara " penned down " BPHS. If Sage Parashar could not teach his son how to pen Mahabharata (Vedavyaasa Ji had to hire Ganesh Ji for penning down Mahabharata), I think Sage Parahara never could have tried to pen down anything himself. The very fact that Paaraashari Horaa (ancient name of BPHS) has many versions differing in wording even if the import is the same suggests there was some common source which has been lost during centuries of oral transmission. Here I am quoting a verse from one version of BPHS (first verse of Uttaraardha; I am rendering it after splitting sandhis): " Maitreya uvaacha -- Bhagavat sarvam aakhyaatam jaatakam vistarena me || sa-sahasra-ayuta-granthaH-asheeti-adhyaaya-samyutaiH ||1|| " It means : Maitreya told : O Lord (Parashara)! you have described the Jaataka-grantha in full detail in 11000 verses in 80 chapters (of Poorvaardha). " sa-sahasra-ayuta " means sahasra (1,000) added ( " sa " ) to ayuta (=10,000), ie 11,000. Verses of Uttaraardha are nowhere mentioned, but if 80 chapters of Poorvaardha contained 11000 verses, then 20 or 24 chapters of Uttaraardha may contain anything between one and three thousand verses perhaps. Sitaram Jha's edition contains 4001 verses (many were composed by himself, and many were taken by him from non-Jataka texts, hence original verses might be around 3000 only). Khemraj Edituion contains only 5781 verses, many of which were rejected by Sitaram Jha. Hence, does it not show over half of verses were lost? Cyber-Gurujis are very clever in perverting and inverting meanings, merely to befool others. But facts are facts. -VJ ============================= === , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Jha Saheb, > > This is interesting! Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! > > I suppose 8/60 is not a big difference! Particularly when BPHS was probably not even 'penned down' (as read today!) for centuries before it was SPOKEN! > > RR_, > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > ... BPHS, which is the most comprehensive text on Vedic Phalita Jyotisha, although more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries...> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Dear Vinay_jee, Why '52'? Why not 53?? I am too insignificant to be capable of changing ANYTHING! But some of us are here not to change but simply to observe! The WITNESS-SELF! Please tell us something Vinay_jee: Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? Smells FISHY! Rohiniranjan , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > RR JI, > > I wrote about BPHS : " more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries " . > > You changed my meaning by quipping : " Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! " . > > Sage Parashara 'composed' BPHS, in which the initial B (Brihat) was added only after Madhya and Laghu were compiled (by others, based on Sage Parashara's phalita work). I never said Sage Parashara " penned down " BPHS. If Sage Parashar could not teach his son how to pen Mahabharata (Vedavyaasa Ji had to hire Ganesh Ji for penning down Mahabharata), I think Sage Parahara never could have tried to pen down anything himself. > > The very fact that Paaraashari Horaa (ancient name of BPHS) has many versions differing in wording even if the import is the same suggests there was some common source which has been lost during centuries of oral transmission. Here I am quoting a verse from one version of BPHS (first verse of Uttaraardha; I am rendering it after splitting sandhis): > > " Maitreya uvaacha -- > Bhagavat sarvam aakhyaatam jaatakam vistarena me || > sa-sahasra-ayuta-granthaH-asheeti-adhyaaya-samyutaiH ||1|| " > > It means : > > Maitreya told : O Lord (Parashara)! you have described the Jaataka-grantha in full detail in 11000 verses in 80 chapters (of Poorvaardha). > > " sa-sahasra-ayuta " means sahasra (1,000) added ( " sa " ) to ayuta (=10,000), ie 11,000. > > Verses of Uttaraardha are nowhere mentioned, but if 80 chapters of Poorvaardha contained 11000 verses, then 20 or 24 chapters of Uttaraardha may contain anything between one and three thousand verses perhaps. Sitaram Jha's edition contains 4001 verses (many were composed by himself, and many were taken by him from non-Jataka texts, hence original verses might be around 3000 only). Khemraj Edituion contains only 5781 verses, many of which were rejected by Sitaram Jha. Hence, does it not show over half of verses were lost? > > Cyber-Gurujis are very clever in perverting and inverting meanings, merely to befool others. But facts are facts. > > -VJ > ============================= === > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Jha Saheb, > > > > This is interesting! Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! > > > > I suppose 8/60 is not a big difference! Particularly when BPHS was probably not even 'penned down' (as read today!) for centuries before it was SPOKEN! > > > > RR_, > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > ... BPHS, which is the most comprehensive text on Vedic Phalita Jyotisha, although more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries...> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Dear Rohiniranjan Ji, I worked in history and archaeology for a long time, and then I devoted 12 years in Indo-European researches, always concerned with dating problems in Indian history. I found that most of the experts in these fields take the most conservative dates unless proven otherwise. " 52 " is the most conservative figure as far as the evidences available to me suggest. You say : " Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? Smells FISHY! " It is not a new question. There is a Hindi textbook prescribed in my Sanskrit college in which a young lady asked exactly the same question about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa, and was answered in detail by a sadhu. The sadhu answered that Vedavyaasa was not a common mortal, he gave a concrete shape to the religion and culture of entire nation and therefore only an uncommon lady could be capable of giving birth to such a great personage. Matsyagandhaa was also known as Yojanagandhaa, ie, whose smell went upto one yojana. She could be only some sort of incarnation of Shakti. Parashara, belonging to the clan of Shakti, realized this. Puranas are replete with stories of sages and gods who sometimes seem to be lascivious if we do not go deeper into the contextual meanings. Not only Brahmacharya, Vaanaprastha and Sanyaas, but even Grihastha ashrama was based on brahmacharya, which modern grihasthas will not understand. Lust had no place in Vi-vaaha, which is a Vedic yajna and not a license for carnal pleasure. Parashara was the last rishi who, besides composing texts on three skandhas of Jyotisha, finalised the Smriti which is regarded as the paramount Smriti for Kaliyuga, and Vedavyaasa Ji rearranged all Vedas and Puranas besides composing Mahabharata, just to guide people in Kaliyuga and save shaastras during Kaliyuga. Your statements do not surprise me, you have earlier expressed your disapproval of sadhus and brahmachaaris intruding into Jyotisha or internet (which ought to reserved for non-brahmachaaris ?). You must have known all these things already, yet you issue FISHY statements about great sages. Some people think ancient Rishis belonged to a particular caste and it is politically correct to abuse that caste in present era. But ancient Varna-ashrama Dharma was quite different from the ossified caste system of present day Hinduism. How many brahmins follow the rules prescribed in shaastras ?? Why brahmins keep farms, own houses, serve for others at a salary ? Such persons are not brahmins according to scriptures. Kaliyugi brahmins have degraded the divine status of Vedic Brahmins and made them a soft target for abuse. -VJ ================================ == , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Dear Vinay_jee, > > Why '52'? Why not 53?? > > I am too insignificant to be capable of changing ANYTHING! > > But some of us are here not to change but simply to observe! > > The WITNESS-SELF! > > > Please tell us something Vinay_jee: > > Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? > > Smells FISHY! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > RR JI, > > > > I wrote about BPHS : " more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries " . > > > > You changed my meaning by quipping : " Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! " . > > > > Sage Parashara 'composed' BPHS, in which the initial B (Brihat) was added only after Madhya and Laghu were compiled (by others, based on Sage Parashara's phalita work). I never said Sage Parashara " penned down " BPHS. If Sage Parashar could not teach his son how to pen Mahabharata (Vedavyaasa Ji had to hire Ganesh Ji for penning down Mahabharata), I think Sage Parahara never could have tried to pen down anything himself. > > > > The very fact that Paaraashari Horaa (ancient name of BPHS) has many versions differing in wording even if the import is the same suggests there was some common source which has been lost during centuries of oral transmission. Here I am quoting a verse from one version of BPHS (first verse of Uttaraardha; I am rendering it after splitting sandhis): > > > > " Maitreya uvaacha -- > > Bhagavat sarvam aakhyaatam jaatakam vistarena me || > > sa-sahasra-ayuta-granthaH-asheeti-adhyaaya-samyutaiH ||1|| " > > > > It means : > > > > Maitreya told : O Lord (Parashara)! you have described the Jaataka-grantha in full detail in 11000 verses in 80 chapters (of Poorvaardha). > > > > " sa-sahasra-ayuta " means sahasra (1,000) added ( " sa " ) to ayuta (=10,000), ie 11,000. > > > > Verses of Uttaraardha are nowhere mentioned, but if 80 chapters of Poorvaardha contained 11000 verses, then 20 or 24 chapters of Uttaraardha may contain anything between one and three thousand verses perhaps. Sitaram Jha's edition contains 4001 verses (many were composed by himself, and many were taken by him from non-Jataka texts, hence original verses might be around 3000 only). Khemraj Edituion contains only 5781 verses, many of which were rejected by Sitaram Jha. Hence, does it not show over half of verses were lost? > > > > Cyber-Gurujis are very clever in perverting and inverting meanings, merely to befool others. But facts are facts. > > > > -VJ > > ============================= === > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jha Saheb, > > > > > > This is interesting! Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! > > > > > > I suppose 8/60 is not a big difference! Particularly when BPHS was probably not even 'penned down' (as read today!) for centuries before it was SPOKEN! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > ... BPHS, which is the most comprehensive text on Vedic Phalita Jyotisha, although more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries...> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Nothing Fishy here! I noticed that you talked a lot about yourself and about MG and PM and so on but said NOTHING about the BOAT that was carrying MG and PM where VV was conceived to liberate all of us sanyaasis, already enrolled and destined to...! Rohiniranjan , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > Dear Rohiniranjan Ji, > > I worked in history and archaeology for a long time, and then I devoted 12 years in Indo-European researches, always concerned with dating problems in Indian history. I found that most of the experts in these fields take the most conservative dates unless proven otherwise. " 52 " is the most conservative figure as far as the evidences available to me suggest. > > You say : " Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? Smells FISHY! " > > It is not a new question. There is a Hindi textbook prescribed in my Sanskrit college in which a young lady asked exactly the same question about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa, and was answered in detail by a sadhu. The sadhu answered that Vedavyaasa was not a common mortal, he gave a concrete shape to the religion and culture of entire nation and therefore only an uncommon lady could be capable of giving birth to such a great personage. Matsyagandhaa was also known as Yojanagandhaa, ie, whose smell went upto one yojana. She could be only some sort of incarnation of Shakti. Parashara, belonging to the clan of Shakti, realized this. > > Puranas are replete with stories of sages and gods who sometimes seem to be lascivious if we do not go deeper into the contextual meanings. Not only Brahmacharya, Vaanaprastha and Sanyaas, but even Grihastha ashrama was based on brahmacharya, which modern grihasthas will not understand. Lust had no place in Vi-vaaha, which is a Vedic yajna and not a license for carnal pleasure. Parashara was the last rishi who, besides composing texts on three skandhas of Jyotisha, finalised the Smriti which is regarded as the paramount Smriti for Kaliyuga, and Vedavyaasa Ji rearranged all Vedas and Puranas besides composing Mahabharata, just to guide people in Kaliyuga and save shaastras during Kaliyuga. > > Your statements do not surprise me, you have earlier expressed your disapproval of sadhus and brahmachaaris intruding into Jyotisha or internet (which ought to reserved for non-brahmachaaris ?). > > You must have known all these things already, yet you issue FISHY statements about great sages. > > Some people think ancient Rishis belonged to a particular caste and it is politically correct to abuse that caste in present era. But ancient Varna-ashrama Dharma was quite different from the ossified caste system of present day Hinduism. How many brahmins follow the rules prescribed in shaastras ?? Why brahmins keep farms, own houses, serve for others at a salary ? Such persons are not brahmins according to scriptures. Kaliyugi brahmins have degraded the divine status of Vedic Brahmins and made them a soft target for abuse. > > -VJ > ================================ == > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinay_jee, > > > > Why '52'? Why not 53?? > > > > I am too insignificant to be capable of changing ANYTHING! > > > > But some of us are here not to change but simply to observe! > > > > The WITNESS-SELF! > > > > > > Please tell us something Vinay_jee: > > > > Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? > > > > Smells FISHY! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > RR JI, > > > > > > I wrote about BPHS : " more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries " . > > > > > > You changed my meaning by quipping : " Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! " . > > > > > > Sage Parashara 'composed' BPHS, in which the initial B (Brihat) was added only after Madhya and Laghu were compiled (by others, based on Sage Parashara's phalita work). I never said Sage Parashara " penned down " BPHS. If Sage Parashar could not teach his son how to pen Mahabharata (Vedavyaasa Ji had to hire Ganesh Ji for penning down Mahabharata), I think Sage Parahara never could have tried to pen down anything himself. > > > > > > The very fact that Paaraashari Horaa (ancient name of BPHS) has many versions differing in wording even if the import is the same suggests there was some common source which has been lost during centuries of oral transmission. Here I am quoting a verse from one version of BPHS (first verse of Uttaraardha; I am rendering it after splitting sandhis): > > > > > > " Maitreya uvaacha -- > > > Bhagavat sarvam aakhyaatam jaatakam vistarena me || > > > sa-sahasra-ayuta-granthaH-asheeti-adhyaaya-samyutaiH ||1|| " > > > > > > It means : > > > > > > Maitreya told : O Lord (Parashara)! you have described the Jaataka-grantha in full detail in 11000 verses in 80 chapters (of Poorvaardha). > > > > > > " sa-sahasra-ayuta " means sahasra (1,000) added ( " sa " ) to ayuta (=10,000), ie 11,000. > > > > > > Verses of Uttaraardha are nowhere mentioned, but if 80 chapters of Poorvaardha contained 11000 verses, then 20 or 24 chapters of Uttaraardha may contain anything between one and three thousand verses perhaps. Sitaram Jha's edition contains 4001 verses (many were composed by himself, and many were taken by him from non-Jataka texts, hence original verses might be around 3000 only). Khemraj Edituion contains only 5781 verses, many of which were rejected by Sitaram Jha. Hence, does it not show over half of verses were lost? > > > > > > Cyber-Gurujis are very clever in perverting and inverting meanings, merely to befool others. But facts are facts. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============================= === > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Jha Saheb, > > > > > > > > This is interesting! Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! > > > > > > > > I suppose 8/60 is not a big difference! Particularly when BPHS was probably not even 'penned down' (as read today!) for centuries before it was SPOKEN! > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > ... BPHS, which is the most comprehensive text on Vedic Phalita Jyotisha, although more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries...> > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 It is you who always divert astrological topics to non-astro gossips and even to personal comments, often satirical, and if I dare put forth any answer you charge me of talking about myself!! Is not your recent charge on me a new attempt of opening a useless personalized thread?? If your comments about Sage Parashara and Vedavyaasa Ji was not derogatory, what did you really intend by your following remarks : " Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? Smells FISHY! " You have simply written me and my works off, yet you hardly spare any thread in which I participate, and you seldom discuss astrology in those threads. I think these fora are means for entertainment for you, as you have also said you do not take these fora seriously. This attitude means members are clowns for you. But I have never expressed my fuller opinions about you. I analyzed the charts of some famous astrologers and found the reasons behind their name and fame, which was due to good 10th and 11th houses, and not due to any sound astrological yoga. And I forgot them. I have already analyzed yours, even without exact time. I STILL think you are among the best astrologers. I never lie. -VJ ================================= === , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani wrote: > > Nothing Fishy here! > > I noticed that you talked a lot about yourself and about MG and PM and so on but said NOTHING about the BOAT that was carrying MG and PM where VV was conceived to liberate all of us sanyaasis, already enrolled and destined to...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan Ji, > > > > I worked in history and archaeology for a long time, and then I devoted 12 years in Indo-European researches, always concerned with dating problems in Indian history. I found that most of the experts in these fields take the most conservative dates unless proven otherwise. " 52 " is the most conservative figure as far as the evidences available to me suggest. > > > > You say : " Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? Smells FISHY! " > > > > It is not a new question. There is a Hindi textbook prescribed in my Sanskrit college in which a young lady asked exactly the same question about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa, and was answered in detail by a sadhu. The sadhu answered that Vedavyaasa was not a common mortal, he gave a concrete shape to the religion and culture of entire nation and therefore only an uncommon lady could be capable of giving birth to such a great personage. Matsyagandhaa was also known as Yojanagandhaa, ie, whose smell went upto one yojana. She could be only some sort of incarnation of Shakti. Parashara, belonging to the clan of Shakti, realized this. > > > > Puranas are replete with stories of sages and gods who sometimes seem to be lascivious if we do not go deeper into the contextual meanings. Not only Brahmacharya, Vaanaprastha and Sanyaas, but even Grihastha ashrama was based on brahmacharya, which modern grihasthas will not understand. Lust had no place in Vi-vaaha, which is a Vedic yajna and not a license for carnal pleasure. Parashara was the last rishi who, besides composing texts on three skandhas of Jyotisha, finalised the Smriti which is regarded as the paramount Smriti for Kaliyuga, and Vedavyaasa Ji rearranged all Vedas and Puranas besides composing Mahabharata, just to guide people in Kaliyuga and save shaastras during Kaliyuga. > > > > Your statements do not surprise me, you have earlier expressed your disapproval of sadhus and brahmachaaris intruding into Jyotisha or internet (which ought to reserved for non-brahmachaaris ?). > > > > You must have known all these things already, yet you issue FISHY statements about great sages. > > > > Some people think ancient Rishis belonged to a particular caste and it is politically correct to abuse that caste in present era. But ancient Varna-ashrama Dharma was quite different from the ossified caste system of present day Hinduism. How many brahmins follow the rules prescribed in shaastras ?? Why brahmins keep farms, own houses, serve for others at a salary ? Such persons are not brahmins according to scriptures. Kaliyugi brahmins have degraded the divine status of Vedic Brahmins and made them a soft target for abuse. > > > > -VJ > > ================================ == > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinay_jee, > > > > > > Why '52'? Why not 53?? > > > > > > I am too insignificant to be capable of changing ANYTHING! > > > > > > But some of us are here not to change but simply to observe! > > > > > > The WITNESS-SELF! > > > > > > > > > Please tell us something Vinay_jee: > > > > > > Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? > > > > > > Smells FISHY! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > RR JI, > > > > > > > > I wrote about BPHS : " more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries " . > > > > > > > > You changed my meaning by quipping : " Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! " . > > > > > > > > Sage Parashara 'composed' BPHS, in which the initial B (Brihat) was added only after Madhya and Laghu were compiled (by others, based on Sage Parashara's phalita work). I never said Sage Parashara " penned down " BPHS. If Sage Parashar could not teach his son how to pen Mahabharata (Vedavyaasa Ji had to hire Ganesh Ji for penning down Mahabharata), I think Sage Parahara never could have tried to pen down anything himself. > > > > > > > > The very fact that Paaraashari Horaa (ancient name of BPHS) has many versions differing in wording even if the import is the same suggests there was some common source which has been lost during centuries of oral transmission. Here I am quoting a verse from one version of BPHS (first verse of Uttaraardha; I am rendering it after splitting sandhis): > > > > > > > > " Maitreya uvaacha -- > > > > Bhagavat sarvam aakhyaatam jaatakam vistarena me || > > > > sa-sahasra-ayuta-granthaH-asheeti-adhyaaya-samyutaiH ||1|| " > > > > > > > > It means : > > > > > > > > Maitreya told : O Lord (Parashara)! you have described the Jaataka-grantha in full detail in 11000 verses in 80 chapters (of Poorvaardha). > > > > > > > > " sa-sahasra-ayuta " means sahasra (1,000) added ( " sa " ) to ayuta (=10,000), ie 11,000. > > > > > > > > Verses of Uttaraardha are nowhere mentioned, but if 80 chapters of Poorvaardha contained 11000 verses, then 20 or 24 chapters of Uttaraardha may contain anything between one and three thousand verses perhaps. Sitaram Jha's edition contains 4001 verses (many were composed by himself, and many were taken by him from non-Jataka texts, hence original verses might be around 3000 only). Khemraj Edituion contains only 5781 verses, many of which were rejected by Sitaram Jha. Hence, does it not show over half of verses were lost? > > > > > > > > Cyber-Gurujis are very clever in perverting and inverting meanings, merely to befool others. But facts are facts. > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > ============================= === > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jha Saheb, > > > > > > > > > > This is interesting! Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! > > > > > > > > > > I suppose 8/60 is not a big difference! Particularly when BPHS was probably not even 'penned down' (as read today!) for centuries before it was SPOKEN! > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > ... BPHS, which is the most comprehensive text on Vedic Phalita Jyotisha, although more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Respected Sir VJHA ji; Frankly speaking about BPHS and its protagonists; what my true feelings are can be summed up in one line " INN SE MILKAR IIMLEE MEETHI LAGTI HAI; INN SE BICHADKAR SHAHAD BHI KHAARA LAGTA HAI. Lots of Respect Kulbir Bains. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:51 AM, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > Kulbir Ji, > > I am myself surprised why my software is so selective ! It gets installed > on some machines and rejects others, as you also report ! I compiled in an > old version of Visual Basic with Windows XP on my machine, both being > Microsoft products. Microsoft keeps on changing its DLL files which > constitute its Windows API library (Windows is actually a set of these DLL > files), and some DLL files are used by Kundalee program. I am on a long > tour. When I get time to settle down, I will update Visual Basic and > recompile Kundalee. If it still creates problems, I will revise the entire > program, removing all DLL files from my program. > > From some of your messages, I inferred you have little or no faith in BPHS, > which is the most comprehensive text on Vedic Phalita Jyotisha, although > more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries. If I > am in the wrong, please correct me. > > -VJ > =========================== == > > > . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Kulbir Ji, Please do not use epithets like " Respected Sir " for me. I do not care about protagonists or opponents of BPHS. But if you reject BPHS then you are throwing the baby with the bathtub. It took me decades to comprehend its greatness. Much of it is still ill-used or un-used, mostly by its protagonoists, and ab-used by its opponents. If someone uses BPHS, it will not benefit me. Since you are deeply interested in astrology, you should not reject BPHS. But if you reject it, I will not complain. Do as you like it. -VJ ========================= === , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Respected Sir VJHA ji; > Frankly speaking about BPHS and its protagonists; what my true feelings are > can be summed up in one line > " INN SE MILKAR IIMLEE MEETHI LAGTI HAI; > INN SE BICHADKAR SHAHAD BHI KHAARA LAGTA HAI. > Lots of Respect > Kulbir Bains. > > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:51 AM, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > > > > > Kulbir Ji, > > > > I am myself surprised why my software is so selective ! It gets installed > > on some machines and rejects others, as you also report ! I compiled in an > > old version of Visual Basic with Windows XP on my machine, both being > > Microsoft products. Microsoft keeps on changing its DLL files which > > constitute its Windows API library (Windows is actually a set of these DLL > > files), and some DLL files are used by Kundalee program. I am on a long > > tour. When I get time to settle down, I will update Visual Basic and > > recompile Kundalee. If it still creates problems, I will revise the entire > > program, removing all DLL files from my program. > > > > From some of your messages, I inferred you have little or no faith in BPHS, > > which is the most comprehensive text on Vedic Phalita Jyotisha, although > > more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries. If I > > am in the wrong, please correct me. > > > > -VJ > > =========================== == > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Respected Sir VJHA Ji, Lalkitab can be called a modified version of BPHS so there is no question of having any iota of disbelief or rejection. Vedic Jyotish is the base of Lalkitab, I don't have the caliber to participate in discussions relating to BPHS. BUT I read every single mail by all members with keen interest. And to be honest have learnt a lot. Shastraarth to hamare desh ka Gaurav raha hai. Aap Sabhi vidwaan log us hi parampara ko nibha rahe hain aur aage badha rahe hain. Sarkar hum aapke bachon samaan hain, Rasta dikhana to aapka farz banta hi hai. Choti moti bhool ho jati hai kabhi kabar; kshama kar diya kijyea. Bas itna khayal rakh liya kijiye ki hum (mera matlab jo mere level par hain) jaise jyotish ke field mein Aapse takreeban 30-35 saal peeche hain. Regards Kulbir Bains. On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 8:26 PM, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > Kulbir Ji, > > Please do not use epithets like " Respected Sir " for me. > > I do not care about protagonists or opponents of BPHS. But if you reject > BPHS then you are throwing the baby with the bathtub. It took me decades to > comprehend its greatness. Much of it is still ill-used or un-used, mostly by > its protagonoists, and ab-used by its opponents. > > If someone uses BPHS, it will not benefit me. Since you are deeply > interested in astrology, you should not reject BPHS. But if you reject it, I > will not complain. Do as you like it. > > -VJ > ========================= === > > <%40>, > Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: > > > > Respected Sir VJHA ji; > > Frankly speaking about BPHS and its protagonists; what my true feelings > are > > can be summed up in one line > > " INN SE MILKAR IIMLEE MEETHI LAGTI HAI; > > INN SE BICHADKAR SHAHAD BHI KHAARA LAGTA HAI. > > Lots of Respect > > Kulbir Bains. > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:51 AM, VJha <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Kulbir Ji, > > > > > > I am myself surprised why my software is so selective ! It gets > installed > > > on some machines and rejects others, as you also report ! I compiled in > an > > > old version of Visual Basic with Windows XP on my machine, both being > > > Microsoft products. Microsoft keeps on changing its DLL files which > > > constitute its Windows API library (Windows is actually a set of these > DLL > > > files), and some DLL files are used by Kundalee program. I am on a long > > > tour. When I get time to settle down, I will update Visual Basic and > > > recompile Kundalee. If it still creates problems, I will revise the > entire > > > program, removing all DLL files from my program. > > > > > > From some of your messages, I inferred you have little or no faith in > BPHS, > > > which is the most comprehensive text on Vedic Phalita Jyotisha, > although > > > more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries. > If I > > > am in the wrong, please correct me. > > > > > > -VJ > > > =========================== == > > > > > > > > > . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2010 Report Share Posted April 6, 2010 Respected Jha jee, You are blessed with a very wonderful imagination! Rohiniranjan , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16 wrote: > > It is you who always divert astrological topics to non-astro gossips and even to personal comments, often satirical, and if I dare put forth any answer you charge me of talking about myself!! Is not your recent charge on me a new attempt of opening a useless personalized thread?? > > If your comments about Sage Parashara and Vedavyaasa Ji was not derogatory, what did you really intend by your following remarks : > > " Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? Smells FISHY! " > > You have simply written me and my works off, yet you hardly spare any thread in which I participate, and you seldom discuss astrology in those threads. I think these fora are means for entertainment for you, as you have also said you do not take these fora seriously. This attitude means members are clowns for you. But I have never expressed my fuller opinions about you. > > I analyzed the charts of some famous astrologers and found the reasons behind their name and fame, which was due to good 10th and 11th houses, and not due to any sound astrological yoga. And I forgot them. I have already analyzed yours, even without exact time. > > I STILL think you are among the best astrologers. I never lie. > > -VJ > ================================= === > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > Nothing Fishy here! > > > > I noticed that you talked a lot about yourself and about MG and PM and so on but said NOTHING about the BOAT that was carrying MG and PM where VV was conceived to liberate all of us sanyaasis, already enrolled and destined to...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan Ji, > > > > > > I worked in history and archaeology for a long time, and then I devoted 12 years in Indo-European researches, always concerned with dating problems in Indian history. I found that most of the experts in these fields take the most conservative dates unless proven otherwise. " 52 " is the most conservative figure as far as the evidences available to me suggest. > > > > > > You say : " Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? Smells FISHY! " > > > > > > It is not a new question. There is a Hindi textbook prescribed in my Sanskrit college in which a young lady asked exactly the same question about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa, and was answered in detail by a sadhu. The sadhu answered that Vedavyaasa was not a common mortal, he gave a concrete shape to the religion and culture of entire nation and therefore only an uncommon lady could be capable of giving birth to such a great personage. Matsyagandhaa was also known as Yojanagandhaa, ie, whose smell went upto one yojana. She could be only some sort of incarnation of Shakti. Parashara, belonging to the clan of Shakti, realized this. > > > > > > Puranas are replete with stories of sages and gods who sometimes seem to be lascivious if we do not go deeper into the contextual meanings. Not only Brahmacharya, Vaanaprastha and Sanyaas, but even Grihastha ashrama was based on brahmacharya, which modern grihasthas will not understand. Lust had no place in Vi-vaaha, which is a Vedic yajna and not a license for carnal pleasure. Parashara was the last rishi who, besides composing texts on three skandhas of Jyotisha, finalised the Smriti which is regarded as the paramount Smriti for Kaliyuga, and Vedavyaasa Ji rearranged all Vedas and Puranas besides composing Mahabharata, just to guide people in Kaliyuga and save shaastras during Kaliyuga. > > > > > > Your statements do not surprise me, you have earlier expressed your disapproval of sadhus and brahmachaaris intruding into Jyotisha or internet (which ought to reserved for non-brahmachaaris ?). > > > > > > You must have known all these things already, yet you issue FISHY statements about great sages. > > > > > > Some people think ancient Rishis belonged to a particular caste and it is politically correct to abuse that caste in present era. But ancient Varna-ashrama Dharma was quite different from the ossified caste system of present day Hinduism. How many brahmins follow the rules prescribed in shaastras ?? Why brahmins keep farms, own houses, serve for others at a salary ? Such persons are not brahmins according to scriptures. Kaliyugi brahmins have degraded the divine status of Vedic Brahmins and made them a soft target for abuse. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ================================ == > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay_jee, > > > > > > > > Why '52'? Why not 53?? > > > > > > > > I am too insignificant to be capable of changing ANYTHING! > > > > > > > > But some of us are here not to change but simply to observe! > > > > > > > > The WITNESS-SELF! > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell us something Vinay_jee: > > > > > > > > Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? > > > > > > > > Smells FISHY! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > RR JI, > > > > > > > > > > I wrote about BPHS : " more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries " . > > > > > > > > > > You changed my meaning by quipping : " Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! " . > > > > > > > > > > Sage Parashara 'composed' BPHS, in which the initial B (Brihat) was added only after Madhya and Laghu were compiled (by others, based on Sage Parashara's phalita work). I never said Sage Parashara " penned down " BPHS. If Sage Parashar could not teach his son how to pen Mahabharata (Vedavyaasa Ji had to hire Ganesh Ji for penning down Mahabharata), I think Sage Parahara never could have tried to pen down anything himself. > > > > > > > > > > The very fact that Paaraashari Horaa (ancient name of BPHS) has many versions differing in wording even if the import is the same suggests there was some common source which has been lost during centuries of oral transmission. Here I am quoting a verse from one version of BPHS (first verse of Uttaraardha; I am rendering it after splitting sandhis): > > > > > > > > > > " Maitreya uvaacha -- > > > > > Bhagavat sarvam aakhyaatam jaatakam vistarena me || > > > > > sa-sahasra-ayuta-granthaH-asheeti-adhyaaya-samyutaiH ||1|| " > > > > > > > > > > It means : > > > > > > > > > > Maitreya told : O Lord (Parashara)! you have described the Jaataka-grantha in full detail in 11000 verses in 80 chapters (of Poorvaardha). > > > > > > > > > > " sa-sahasra-ayuta " means sahasra (1,000) added ( " sa " ) to ayuta (=10,000), ie 11,000. > > > > > > > > > > Verses of Uttaraardha are nowhere mentioned, but if 80 chapters of Poorvaardha contained 11000 verses, then 20 or 24 chapters of Uttaraardha may contain anything between one and three thousand verses perhaps. Sitaram Jha's edition contains 4001 verses (many were composed by himself, and many were taken by him from non-Jataka texts, hence original verses might be around 3000 only). Khemraj Edituion contains only 5781 verses, many of which were rejected by Sitaram Jha. Hence, does it not show over half of verses were lost? > > > > > > > > > > Cyber-Gurujis are very clever in perverting and inverting meanings, merely to befool others. But facts are facts. > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > ============================= === > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jha Saheb, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is interesting! Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose 8/60 is not a big difference! Particularly when BPHS was probably not even 'penned down' (as read today!) for centuries before it was SPOKEN! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@> wrote: > > > > > > ... BPHS, which is the most comprehensive text on Vedic Phalita Jyotisha, although more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries...> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Bahut achchaa likhnay lagey ho bhai saheb! Jab Jheel ekdam khaamosh ho jaati hai; Jab paagal hawaayen aakar bah jaatee hain aapnaa pagalpan samaytey huay; Tab Kinaaray khadaa WITNESS SELF dekh aur jaan paataa hai; Ki Pani kitnaa Khaamosh aur STHIR ho saktaa hai; Aur paani kay neechay Sang-marmar ka Chulloo nazar aataa hai; Jismay Manav ki Zindagi Rakh detaa hai Vidhataa; Ek jeevan, ek janam, ek lifetime kay liyay... There is neither HELL nor HEAVEN -- SIRF YEH REALITY! Agar WOH itnaa samajhtay to kaun unhay PAAGAL kahtaa! Affectionately, Rohiniranjan , Kulbir Bains <lalkitabkb wrote: >... > > Lalkitab can be called a modified version of BPHS so there is no question of > having any iota of disbelief or rejection. > Vedic Jyotish is the base of Lalkitab, I don't have the caliber to > participate in discussions relating to BPHS. > BUT > I read every single mail by all members with keen interest. And to be honest > have learnt a lot... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Sir, Is it that members come up with less roshini and more dhundh we need to put our mind into these issues and resolve psychologically more than less astrology?.Some times it appears as//This attitude means members are clowns for you.// Yet in a public platform we need some sincere attempts. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Tue, 4/6/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! Tuesday, April 6, 2010, 12:48 PM  Respected Jha jee, You are blessed with a very wonderful imagination! Rohiniranjan , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ ...> wrote: > > It is you who always divert astrological topics to non-astro gossips and even to personal comments, often satirical, and if I dare put forth any answer you charge me of talking about myself!! Is not your recent charge on me a new attempt of opening a useless personalized thread?? > > If your comments about Sage Parashara and Vedavyaasa Ji was not derogatory, what did you really intend by your following remarks : > > " Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? Smells FISHY! " > > You have simply written me and my works off, yet you hardly spare any thread in which I participate, and you seldom discuss astrology in those threads. I think these fora are means for entertainment for you, as you have also said you do not take these fora seriously. This attitude means members are clowns for you. But I have never expressed my fuller opinions about you. > > I analyzed the charts of some famous astrologers and found the reasons behind their name and fame, which was due to good 10th and 11th houses, and not due to any sound astrological yoga. And I forgot them. I have already analyzed yours, even without exact time. > > I STILL think you are among the best astrologers. I never lie. > > -VJ > ============ ========= ========= === === > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > Nothing Fishy here! > > > > I noticed that you talked a lot about yourself and about MG and PM and so on but said NOTHING about the BOAT that was carrying MG and PM where VV was conceived to liberate all of us sanyaasis, already enrolled and destined to...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Rohiniranjan Ji, > > > > > > I worked in history and archaeology for a long time, and then I devoted 12 years in Indo-European researches, always concerned with dating problems in Indian history. I found that most of the experts in these fields take the most conservative dates unless proven otherwise. " 52 " is the most conservative figure as far as the evidences available to me suggest. > > > > > > You say : " Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? Smells FISHY! " > > > > > > It is not a new question. There is a Hindi textbook prescribed in my Sanskrit college in which a young lady asked exactly the same question about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa, and was answered in detail by a sadhu. The sadhu answered that Vedavyaasa was not a common mortal, he gave a concrete shape to the religion and culture of entire nation and therefore only an uncommon lady could be capable of giving birth to such a great personage. Matsyagandhaa was also known as Yojanagandhaa, ie, whose smell went upto one yojana. She could be only some sort of incarnation of Shakti. Parashara, belonging to the clan of Shakti, realized this. > > > > > > Puranas are replete with stories of sages and gods who sometimes seem to be lascivious if we do not go deeper into the contextual meanings. Not only Brahmacharya, Vaanaprastha and Sanyaas, but even Grihastha ashrama was based on brahmacharya, which modern grihasthas will not understand. Lust had no place in Vi-vaaha, which is a Vedic yajna and not a license for carnal pleasure. Parashara was the last rishi who, besides composing texts on three skandhas of Jyotisha, finalised the Smriti which is regarded as the paramount Smriti for Kaliyuga, and Vedavyaasa Ji rearranged all Vedas and Puranas besides composing Mahabharata, just to guide people in Kaliyuga and save shaastras during Kaliyuga. > > > > > > Your statements do not surprise me, you have earlier expressed your disapproval of sadhus and brahmachaaris intruding into Jyotisha or internet (which ought to reserved for non-brahmachaaris ?). > > > > > > You must have known all these things already, yet you issue FISHY statements about great sages. > > > > > > Some people think ancient Rishis belonged to a particular caste and it is politically correct to abuse that caste in present era. But ancient Varna-ashrama Dharma was quite different from the ossified caste system of present day Hinduism. How many brahmins follow the rules prescribed in shaastras ?? Why brahmins keep farms, own houses, serve for others at a salary ? Such persons are not brahmins according to scriptures. Kaliyugi brahmins have degraded the divine status of Vedic Brahmins and made them a soft target for abuse. > > > > > > -VJ > > > ============ ========= ========= == == > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinay_jee, > > > > > > > > Why '52'? Why not 53?? > > > > > > > > I am too insignificant to be capable of changing ANYTHING! > > > > > > > > But some of us are here not to change but simply to observe! > > > > > > > > The WITNESS-SELF! > > > > > > > > > > > > Please tell us something Vinay_jee: > > > > > > > > Is that story allegory about Parashara and Matsyagandhaa True? Is that how Vedavyaasa was conceived? > > > > > > > > Smells FISHY! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > RR JI, > > > > > > > > > > I wrote about BPHS : " more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries " . > > > > > > > > > > You changed my meaning by quipping : " Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! " . > > > > > > > > > > Sage Parashara 'composed' BPHS, in which the initial B (Brihat) was added only after Madhya and Laghu were compiled (by others, based on Sage Parashara's phalita work). I never said Sage Parashara " penned down " BPHS. If Sage Parashar could not teach his son how to pen Mahabharata (Vedavyaasa Ji had to hire Ganesh Ji for penning down Mahabharata) , I think Sage Parahara never could have tried to pen down anything himself. > > > > > > > > > > The very fact that Paaraashari Horaa (ancient name of BPHS) has many versions differing in wording even if the import is the same suggests there was some common source which has been lost during centuries of oral transmission. Here I am quoting a verse from one version of BPHS (first verse of Uttaraardha; I am rendering it after splitting sandhis): > > > > > > > > > > " Maitreya uvaacha -- > > > > > Bhagavat sarvam aakhyaatam jaatakam vistarena me || > > > > > sa-sahasra-ayuta- granthaH- asheeti-adhyaaya -samyutaiH ||1|| " > > > > > > > > > > It means : > > > > > > > > > > Maitreya told : O Lord (Parashara)! you have described the Jaataka-grantha in full detail in 11000 verses in 80 chapters (of Poorvaardha) .. > > > > > > > > > > " sa-sahasra- ayuta " means sahasra (1,000) added ( " sa " ) to ayuta (=10,000), ie 11,000. > > > > > > > > > > Verses of Uttaraardha are nowhere mentioned, but if 80 chapters of Poorvaardha contained 11000 verses, then 20 or 24 chapters of Uttaraardha may contain anything between one and three thousand verses perhaps. Sitaram Jha's edition contains 4001 verses (many were composed by himself, and many were taken by him from non-Jataka texts, hence original verses might be around 3000 only). Khemraj Edituion contains only 5781 verses, many of which were rejected by Sitaram Jha. Hence, does it not show over half of verses were lost? > > > > > > > > > > Cyber-Gurujis are very clever in perverting and inverting meanings, merely to befool others. But facts are facts. > > > > > > > > > > -VJ > > > > > ============ ========= ======== === > > > > > , " rohinicrystal " <jyotish_vani@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jha Saheb, > > > > > > > > > > > > This is interesting! Another Cyber-Guruji told earlier that BPHS was lost during the past 60 centuries! > > > > > > > > > > > > I suppose 8/60 is not a big difference! Particularly when BPHS was probably not even 'penned down' (as read today!) for centuries before it was SPOKEN! > > > > > > > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > > > > > > > , " VJha " <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote: > > > > > > ... BPHS, which is the most comprehensive text on Vedic Phalita Jyotisha, although more than half of its verses have been lost during past 52 centuries... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Dear Vinayji/ Rohiniji Some additional information with regard to Parashara Rishi & Matsayagandha's story: This is a case to show how even Rishis can be bewildered with Maya & the divine purpose of educating people at large during the impending Kalyuga was at the root of these happenings: Rishi Parashara was walking through a fishing village on the banks of the Yamuna. The combination of Planets which was about to happen foretold that if a soul was brought in to manifestation during this particular time that personage would become a great sage & a compiler of the vedas. Parasara could easily have easily manifested a child at the precise moment through his manas shakti. But, the effect of maya was so strong that he decided he will have sex with a maiden who will concieve a child. He saw a beautiful young fisher girl called " Matsyagandha " (daughter of a king & an " apsara " who was cursed to become a fish) and immediately gave the proposal. Knowing Parasara to be a Rishi, the girl readily agreed to the proposition to conceive a child through a Rishi considering herself lucky to bear a child through him. And, so, they travelled via boat to the middle of the Yamuna river. Here, Rishi Parasara created a small island where they lay down. Since it was broad daylight & the Sun was up, Matsagandha requested the Rishi " the Sun is witness to our play, please request him to turn away " . So darkness fell as the conception of this child took place. After the loveplay was over, Parasara granted Matsyagandha the boon of permanent sweet body fragrance - thus the name " Yojanagandha " (whose fragrance can be smelled at a distance of 8 miles). The child who was born on the same day he was conceived called Krishna (dark complexioned due to the darkness at his conception) Dvaipayana (born on an island) Vyasa (the compiler) also known as Veda Vyasa (veda compiler). Vyasa reworked the Vedas, wrote the Mahabharata & also took the help of Shri Ganesh to write the Srimad Bhagvatam besides penning down the other Puranas. The divine purpose was to bring about the preservation of divine knowledge in to written form for the people who would be born in Kalyuga. Vyasa is one of 8 immortals who roam the world in disguise even today & Vyasa is also considered among one of the 24 incarnations of Vishnu. Rishi Parasara was chosen by divine will to become the father of this great personage exactly in this fashion. Rishi Parasara had to take birth again, but that is another story. Vyasa had to be born through the womb. He was to be the son whose father was a brahmin & mother was a shudra (then castes were identified by what karma people performed, not what family they were born in). This was because, Vyasa needed the genes of a brahmin to interpret & organise the spiritual literature. But, a pure Brahmin will not need to write down anything. The memory & the brain are sufficiently trained to keep everything in the memory bank & the Rishis communicate in Para Vani (the highest of four levels of speech - Para, Pashyanti, Madhyama & Vaikhari in descending order) so their library is at another level. But, a shudra will need to write down everything, keep records. The people in Kaliyuga are of inferior memory & intelligence, therefore the need for written records. Multiple meanings can be drawn from one story & multiple purposes are served in the divine scheme of things as a result of one event. So, yes a true brahmin will not be employed by anyone & will work only for the divine(Brahm). These conditions are not prevalent today to a large extent. Neither, does the son of a true Brahmin, qualify to be a Brahmin unless he engages himself completely in the study of Brahm. A Brahmin is identified only by the karma he performs, not by his parental lineage. All faults in this nerration are solely mine. Please forgive me for any oversights. Best regards Harinder Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Waah Harinder, what a beautiful and balanced write up! I loved it. I also hope that Rishi Vinay Jha will understand lot many meanings from this piece. In the North India region it is not for nothing that a idiom is in vogue 'BRAHAMIN KAA POOT, KOYEE JINN KOI BHOOT'. The so called Bapauti of so called Brahmins has been distributed equally to all by the Almighty. That is the reason,even when Vinay Ji as addressed as Guru,Pandit Ji or Pandit Ji Maharaaj, he takes it as an abuse and threatens all with the Cyber Laws, just like the law of the Khaiber region in NWFP. And the other day someone had asked a question which planets represent the different blood groups. I know only one blood group. The Universal 'O',which is shown by Mars. Look at the shining faces, broad foreheads, free-ways,the abusive slangs, inbuilt aggression,and on the other hand the great Mohyal Brahmins who fought shoulder to shoulder with the warriors of Allah against the Satans in Mesepotania (present day Iraq) and laid down their lives at the altar of Dharma. The ancient memorial built in Iraq is almost worshipped and reverred for these Hindus.There are a lot of doctors in my relations ,who are now in India(after the great partition),many of them are from that region ,which starts from Rawalpindi till the borders of Afghanistaan. Over the years they have been telling that people from this region have one of the best Hb and more exceptionally they represent 'O'grouping of blood.They normally do not face heart related problems or high blood pressure ! It feels good for my ears, but I can not vouch for it.The definition of BRAHMA is ASEEM AND ANANT and Brahmins is too narrowish,indeed.That is why Guptas, Srivastavas,Vermas,Sharmas,Singhs,Yadavs,Johns,Tewaris, Mishras, Jhas, Ojhas,Imraans, Khans, Lewis,Warnes,Morales et al are doing Jyotish,one of the Universal Science and Art of helping humanity, with Parashara's teachings,whether it has 56,56,100 Chapters ! Rishi Parashara and Vyaas will be smiling !It is only a handful of Tapaswis who are fighting about the missing chapters and the Sandhees or the V-CHHEDS ,simply beacause of claim that they have overcome the CHHEDS and the Big Hole and GUPHHA Theory, due to their Taap and Jaap....,because as they are Trikaal Darashee...,perhaps that is why RAHU With GURU only, is the creater of Chaandal Guru Yoga, but Rahu with other 6 planets does not create any Yoga. Why does Rahu Alone in Kumbha Rashee in Kendras not create any Yogaa like other Panch Mahapurusha ? OR for that matter no planetary combination creates CHAANDAL SHISHYA YOGA. The beauty of the Kalyuga is that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL !! JAAT NAA POOCHHO SADHU KEE BHAI ! Raj Bhardwaj Raj Bhardwaj , Harinder Singh <harinder77711 wrote: > > Dear Vinayji/ Rohiniji > > Some additional information with regard to Parashara Rishi & Matsayagandha's story: > > This is a case to show how even Rishis can be bewildered with Maya & the divine purpose of educating people at large during the impending Kalyuga was at the root of these happenings: > > Rishi Parashara was walking through a fishing village on the banks of the Yamuna. The combination of Planets which was about to happen foretold that if a soul was brought in to manifestation during this particular time that personage would become a great sage & a compiler of the vedas. Parasara could easily have easily manifested a child at the precise moment through his manas shakti. But, the effect of maya was so strong that he decided he will have sex with a maiden who will concieve a child. He saw a beautiful young fisher girl called " Matsyagandha " (daughter of a king & an " apsara " who was cursed to become a fish) and immediately gave the proposal. Knowing Parasara to be a Rishi, the girl readily agreed to the proposition to conceive a child through a Rishi considering herself lucky to bear a child through him. > > And, so, they travelled via boat to the middle of the Yamuna river. Here, Rishi Parasara created a small island where they lay down. Since it was broad daylight & the Sun was up, Matsagandha requested the Rishi " the Sun is witness to our play, please request him to turn away " . So darkness fell as the conception of this child took place. After the loveplay was over, Parasara granted Matsyagandha the boon of permanent sweet body fragrance - thus the name " Yojanagandha " (whose fragrance can be smelled at a distance of 8 miles). > The child who was born on the same day he was conceived called Krishna (dark complexioned due to the darkness at his conception) Dvaipayana (born on an island) Vyasa (the compiler) also known as Veda Vyasa (veda compiler). Vyasa reworked the Vedas, wrote the Mahabharata & also took the help of Shri Ganesh to write the Srimad Bhagvatam besides penning down the other Puranas. > > The divine purpose was to bring about the preservation of divine knowledge in to written form for the people who would be born in Kalyuga. Vyasa is one of 8 immortals who roam the world in disguise even today & Vyasa is also considered among one of the 24 incarnations of Vishnu. > > Rishi Parasara was chosen by divine will to become the father of this great personage exactly in this fashion. Rishi Parasara had to take birth again, but that is another story. Vyasa had to be born through the womb. He was to be the son whose father was a brahmin & mother was a shudra (then castes were identified by what karma people performed, not what family they were born in). This was because, Vyasa needed the genes of a brahmin to interpret & organise the spiritual literature. But, a pure Brahmin will not need to write down anything. The memory & the brain are sufficiently trained to keep everything in the memory bank & the Rishis communicate in Para Vani (the highest of four levels of speech - Para, Pashyanti, Madhyama & Vaikhari in descending order) so their library is at another level. But, a shudra will need to write down everything, keep records. The people in Kaliyuga are of inferior memory & intelligence, therefore the need for written > records. > > Multiple meanings can be drawn from one story & multiple purposes are served in the divine scheme of things as a result of one event. > > So, yes a true brahmin will not be employed by anyone & will work only for the divine(Brahm). These conditions are not prevalent today to a large extent. Neither, does the son of a true Brahmin, qualify to be a Brahmin unless he engages himself completely in the study of Brahm. A Brahmin is identified only by the karma he performs, not by his parental lineage. > > All faults in this nerration are solely mine. Please forgive me for any oversights. > > Best regards > > Harinder > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 20 out of 11000 participating, and of those 15 being reading-seekers (wrapped in their personal queries and interests), in my humble view does not constitute " public platform " ! Won't you agree? :-) It is very difficult to judge someone through a small sampling of internet postings. In fact it might be arrogant to do so, or at the very least sadly mistaken ;-) All clowning aside, please read the above very carefully, lest others misunderstand your cut and paste operations! Regards, Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Sir, > Is it that members come up with less roshini and more dhundh we need to put our mind into these issues and resolve psychologically more than less astrology?.Some times it appears as//This attitude means members are clowns for you.// > Yet in a public platform we need some sincere attempts. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 An analogy that may irritate some purist astrologers, dada: Lunar nodes are like water or perhaps dhunaa (smoke) that adjusts its shape and appearance to fill the vessel they are placed in! Also known as the 'surrogate' role of the nodes. Rohiniranjan (manjhlaa deepak) , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949 wrote: > > > Waah Harinder, what a beautiful and balanced write up! I loved it. I > also hope that Rishi Vinay Jha will understand lot many meanings from > this piece. In the North India region it is not for nothing that a idiom > is in vogue 'BRAHAMIN KAA POOT, KOYEE JINN KOI BHOOT'. The so called > Bapauti of so called Brahmins has been distributed equally to all by the > Almighty. That is the reason,even when Vinay Ji as addressed as > Guru,Pandit Ji or Pandit Ji Maharaaj, he takes it as an abuse and > threatens all with the Cyber Laws, just like the law of the Khaiber > region in NWFP. And the other day someone had asked a question which > planets represent the different blood groups. I know only one blood > group. The Universal 'O',which is shown by Mars. Look at the shining > faces, broad foreheads, free-ways,the abusive slangs, inbuilt > aggression,and on the other hand the great Mohyal Brahmins who fought > shoulder to shoulder with the warriors of Allah against the Satans in > Mesepotania (present day Iraq) and laid down their lives at the altar of > Dharma. The ancient memorial built in Iraq is almost worshipped and > reverred for these Hindus.There are a lot of doctors in my relations > ,who are now in India(after the great partition),many of them are from > that region ,which starts from Rawalpindi till the borders of > Afghanistaan. Over the years they have been telling that people from > this region have one of the best Hb and more exceptionally they > represent 'O'grouping of blood.They normally do not face heart related > problems or high blood pressure ! It feels good for my ears, but I can > not vouch for it.The definition of BRAHMA is ASEEM AND ANANT and > Brahmins is too narrowish,indeed.That is why Guptas, > Srivastavas,Vermas,Sharmas,Singhs,Yadavs,Johns,Tewaris, Mishras, Jhas, > Ojhas,Imraans, Khans, Lewis,Warnes,Morales et al are doing Jyotish,one > of the Universal Science and Art of helping humanity, with Parashara's > teachings,whether it has 56,56,100 Chapters ! Rishi Parashara and Vyaas > will be smiling !It is only a handful of Tapaswis who are fighting about > the missing chapters and the Sandhees or the V-CHHEDS ,simply beacause > of claim that they have overcome the CHHEDS and the Big Hole and GUPHHA > Theory, due to their Taap and Jaap....,because as they are Trikaal > Darashee...,perhaps that is why RAHU With GURU only, is the creater of > Chaandal Guru Yoga, but Rahu with other 6 planets does not create any > Yoga. Why does Rahu Alone in Kumbha Rashee in Kendras not create any > Yogaa like other Panch Mahapurusha ? OR for that matter no planetary > combination creates CHAANDAL SHISHYA YOGA. The beauty of the Kalyuga is > that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL !! > > JAAT NAA POOCHHO SADHU KEE BHAI ! > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > , Harinder Singh > <harinder77711@> wrote: > > > > Dear Vinayji/ Rohiniji > > > > Some additional information with regard to Parashara Rishi & > Matsayagandha's story: > > > > This is a case to show how even Rishis can be bewildered with Maya & > the divine purpose of educating people at large during the impending > Kalyuga was at the root of these happenings: > > > > Rishi Parashara was walking through a fishing village on the banks of > the Yamuna. The combination of Planets which was about to happen > foretold that if a soul was brought in to manifestation during this > particular time that personage would become a great sage & a compiler of > the vedas. Parasara could easily have easily manifested a child at the > precise moment through his manas shakti. But, the effect of maya was so > strong that he decided he will have sex with a maiden who will concieve > a child. He saw a beautiful young fisher girl called " Matsyagandha " > (daughter of a king & an " apsara " who was cursed to become a fish) and > immediately gave the proposal. Knowing Parasara to be a Rishi, the girl > readily agreed to the proposition to conceive a child through a Rishi > considering herself lucky to bear a child through him. > > > > And, so, they travelled via boat to the middle of the Yamuna river. > Here, Rishi Parasara created a small island where they lay down. Since > it was broad daylight & the Sun was up, Matsagandha requested the Rishi > " the Sun is witness to our play, please request him to turn away " . So > darkness fell as the conception of this child took place. After the > loveplay was over, Parasara granted Matsyagandha the boon of permanent > sweet body fragrance - thus the name " Yojanagandha " (whose fragrance can > be smelled at a distance of 8 miles). > > The child who was born on the same day he was conceived called Krishna > (dark complexioned due to the darkness at his conception) Dvaipayana > (born on an island) Vyasa (the compiler) also known as Veda Vyasa (veda > compiler). Vyasa reworked the Vedas, wrote the Mahabharata & also took > the help of Shri Ganesh to write the Srimad Bhagvatam besides penning > down the other Puranas. > > > > The divine purpose was to bring about the preservation of divine > knowledge in to written form for the people who would be born in > Kalyuga. Vyasa is one of 8 immortals who roam the world in disguise even > today & Vyasa is also considered among one of the 24 incarnations of > Vishnu. > > > > Rishi Parasara was chosen by divine will to become the father of this > great personage exactly in this fashion. Rishi Parasara had to take > birth again, but that is another story. Vyasa had to be born through the > womb. He was to be the son whose father was a brahmin & mother was a > shudra (then castes were identified by what karma people performed, not > what family they were born in). This was because, Vyasa needed the genes > of a brahmin to interpret & organise the spiritual literature. But, a > pure Brahmin will not need to write down anything. The memory & the > brain are sufficiently trained to keep everything in the memory bank & > the Rishis communicate in Para Vani (the highest of four levels of > speech - Para, Pashyanti, Madhyama & Vaikhari in descending order) so > their library is at another level. But, a shudra will need to write down > everything, keep records. The people in Kaliyuga are of inferior memory > & intelligence, therefore the need for written > > records. > > > > Multiple meanings can be drawn from one story & multiple purposes are > served in the divine scheme of things as a result of one event. > > > > So, yes a true brahmin will not be employed by anyone & will work only > for the divine(Brahm). These conditions are not prevalent today to a > large extent. Neither, does the son of a true Brahmin, qualify to be a > Brahmin unless he engages himself completely in the study of Brahm. A > Brahmin is identified only by the karma he performs, not by his parental > lineage. > > > > All faults in this nerration are solely mine. Please forgive me for > any oversights. > > > > Best regards > > > > Harinder > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. > Download Now! http://messenger./download.php > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Rohini jee, Is this new Avatar " manjhlaa deepak " kindly enlighten A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Wed, April 7, 2010 10:11:05 PM Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! An analogy that may irritate some purist astrologers, dada: Lunar nodes are like water or perhaps dhunaa (smoke) that adjusts its shape and appearance to fill the vessel they are placed in! Also known as the 'surrogate' role of the nodes. Rohiniranjan (manjhlaa deepak) , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > > Waah Harinder, what a beautiful and balanced write up! I loved it. I > also hope that Rishi Vinay Jha will understand lot many meanings from > this piece. In the North India region it is not for nothing that a idiom > is in vogue 'BRAHAMIN KAA POOT, KOYEE JINN KOI BHOOT'. The so called > Bapauti of so called Brahmins has been distributed equally to all by the > Almighty. That is the reason,even when Vinay Ji as addressed as > Guru,Pandit Ji or Pandit Ji Maharaaj, he takes it as an abuse and > threatens all with the Cyber Laws, just like the law of the Khaiber > region in NWFP. And the other day someone had asked a question which > planets represent the different blood groups. I know only one blood > group. The Universal 'O',which is shown by Mars. Look at the shining > faces, broad foreheads, free-ways,the abusive slangs, inbuilt > aggression,and on the other hand the great Mohyal Brahmins who fought > shoulder to shoulder with the warriors of Allah against the Satans in > Mesepotania (present day Iraq) and laid down their lives at the altar of > Dharma. The ancient memorial built in Iraq is almost worshipped and > reverred for these Hindus.There are a lot of doctors in my relations > ,who are now in India(after the great partition),many of them are from > that region ,which starts from Rawalpindi till the borders of > Afghanistaan. Over the years they have been telling that people from > this region have one of the best Hb and more exceptionally they > represent 'O'grouping of blood.They normally do not face heart related > problems or high blood pressure ! It feels good for my ears, but I can > not vouch for it.The definition of BRAHMA is ASEEM AND ANANT and > Brahmins is too narrowish,indeed. That is why Guptas, > Srivastavas, Vermas,Sharmas, Singhs,Yadavs, Johns,Tewaris, Mishras, Jhas, > Ojhas,Imraans, Khans, Lewis,Warnes, Morales et al are doing Jyotish,one > of the Universal Science and Art of helping humanity, with Parashara's > teachings,whether it has 56,56,100 Chapters ! Rishi Parashara and Vyaas > will be smiling !It is only a handful of Tapaswis who are fighting about > the missing chapters and the Sandhees or the V-CHHEDS ,simply beacause > of claim that they have overcome the CHHEDS and the Big Hole and GUPHHA > Theory, due to their Taap and Jaap....,because as they are Trikaal > Darashee..., perhaps that is why RAHU With GURU only, is the creater of > Chaandal Guru Yoga, but Rahu with other 6 planets does not create any > Yoga. Why does Rahu Alone in Kumbha Rashee in Kendras not create any > Yogaa like other Panch Mahapurusha ? OR for that matter no planetary > combination creates CHAANDAL SHISHYA YOGA. The beauty of the Kalyuga is > that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL !! > > JAAT NAA POOCHHO SADHU KEE BHAI ! > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > , Harinder Singh > <harinder77711@ > wrote: > > > > Dear Vinayji/ Rohiniji > > > > Some additional information with regard to Parashara Rishi & > Matsayagandha' s story: > > > > This is a case to show how even Rishis can be bewildered with Maya & > the divine purpose of educating people at large during the impending > Kalyuga was at the root of these happenings: > > > > Rishi Parashara was walking through a fishing village on the banks of > the Yamuna. The combination of Planets which was about to happen > foretold that if a soul was brought in to manifestation during this > particular time that personage would become a great sage & a compiler of > the vedas. Parasara could easily have easily manifested a child at the > precise moment through his manas shakti. But, the effect of maya was so > strong that he decided he will have sex with a maiden who will concieve > a child. He saw a beautiful young fisher girl called " Matsyagandha " > (daughter of a king & an " apsara " who was cursed to become a fish) and > immediately gave the proposal. Knowing Parasara to be a Rishi, the girl > readily agreed to the proposition to conceive a child through a Rishi > considering herself lucky to bear a child through him. > > > > And, so, they travelled via boat to the middle of the Yamuna river. > Here, Rishi Parasara created a small island where they lay down. Since > it was broad daylight & the Sun was up, Matsagandha requested the Rishi > " the Sun is witness to our play, please request him to turn away " . So > darkness fell as the conception of this child took place. After the > loveplay was over, Parasara granted Matsyagandha the boon of permanent > sweet body fragrance - thus the name " Yojanagandha " (whose fragrance can > be smelled at a distance of 8 miles). > > The child who was born on the same day he was conceived called Krishna > (dark complexioned due to the darkness at his conception) Dvaipayana > (born on an island) Vyasa (the compiler) also known as Veda Vyasa (veda > compiler). Vyasa reworked the Vedas, wrote the Mahabharata & also took > the help of Shri Ganesh to write the Srimad Bhagvatam besides penning > down the other Puranas. > > > > The divine purpose was to bring about the preservation of divine > knowledge in to written form for the people who would be born in > Kalyuga. Vyasa is one of 8 immortals who roam the world in disguise even > today & Vyasa is also considered among one of the 24 incarnations of > Vishnu. > > > > Rishi Parasara was chosen by divine will to become the father of this > great personage exactly in this fashion. Rishi Parasara had to take > birth again, but that is another story. Vyasa had to be born through the > womb. He was to be the son whose father was a brahmin & mother was a > shudra (then castes were identified by what karma people performed, not > what family they were born in). This was because, Vyasa needed the genes > of a brahmin to interpret & organise the spiritual literature. But, a > pure Brahmin will not need to write down anything. The memory & the > brain are sufficiently trained to keep everything in the memory bank & > the Rishis communicate in Para Vani (the highest of four levels of > speech - Para, Pashyanti, Madhyama & Vaikhari in descending order) so > their library is at another level. But, a shudra will need to write down > everything, keep records. The people in Kaliyuga are of inferior memory > & intelligence, therefore the need for written > > records. > > > > Multiple meanings can be drawn from one story & multiple purposes are > served in the divine scheme of things as a result of one event. > > > > So, yes a true brahmin will not be employed by anyone & will work only > for the divine(Brahm) . These conditions are not prevalent today to a > large extent. Neither, does the son of a true Brahmin, qualify to be a > Brahmin unless he engages himself completely in the study of Brahm. A > Brahmin is identified only by the karma he performs, not by his parental > lineage. > > > > All faults in this nerration are solely mine. Please forgive me for > any oversights. > > > > Best regards > > > > Harinder > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. > Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 Dear Rajji Thank you for the history lesson on the Mohyal Brahmins. I have learnt something new. It only goes to prove how recent the divide in caste & religion is. It also shows how unfortunate today's divisions have become causing us to lose out on wisdom & knowledge which was available freely only a few decades back. Since the time we have collected ourselves into groups of people based on regions, religions & class & caste groups, we have charted a very dangerous road that will make us all into " frogs in a well " . I wish & hope that useful discussions like this will help us all to grow as astrologers, healers & human beings. I am sure Vinayji has a lot to contribute to this forum. Let us hope we continue to get some constructive & useful information from all. Your observation on the 'O' blood group is interesting. From my little experience, I have noticed that generally people who are by nature happy & carefree (not careless) as well as express their feelings honestly to people & are able to take criticism from others positively & remain even & stable in their temprement stay away from heart problems. This involves some courage, since not everyone will like such people. High blood pressure is almost always caused by relationship problems as are kidney related diseases. Obviously, if such people from Rawalpindi up to Afghanistan have such personalities then I guess, the story would be true. But, given the speed with which times and food habits are changing, the emotional & mental behaviour of people are changing fast. The food of each region is suited to the climate of that region. But a South Indian who has shifted to North India does not change his food & cultural habits & vice versa. This brings about health complications which lead to emotional & mental weaknesses. I guess that is why the body is called the " annamaya kosha " . The annamaya kosha also interacts & is interdependant with the other bodies - the pranamaya kosha, manomaya kosha, vigyanmaya kosha & the anandmaya kosha. Therefore, these cause a lot of personality changes. Personality changes will change our destiny patterns because we start to react & behave differently. Instead of being obsessed with predicting the future of people, why dont astrologers also show interest in understanding ayurveda, what foods should be avoided by the people who consult? So that the annamaya kosha can become healthy. Teach the finer points of Svar Uday shastra to change the destiny patterns of persons. This brings about changes in their pranic body. Which music or sounds these people listen to since sound changes the mental body of a person. Rock music is not rhythmic & the sounds cause erratic growth in plants as opposed to the Sitar played by Sri Ravi Shanker. This has been proven scientifically. All these efforts will transform the personality of the client. Only with a changed personality can a person truly bring about a positive change in the future. Why wait for a positive period to come? Perform the karmas that will get you to change the body & mind functions. As we bring about a change in the person & his behaviour patterns the external environment will mirror these changes. Destiny patterns are bound to change. The purpose of Karma is to teach us lessons which help us to grow & mature spiritually & materially. Once we have learned those lessons, we change our destiny. I am not saying this is easy. BUT THE PROCESS CAN BE STARTED. EVEN IF IT TAKES A LIFETIME, IT IS WORTH IT. The most difficult thing is to change one's own nature. No wonder we are predictable. We tend to give beeja mantras & other mantras freely to clients. These clients do not understand the five S's which are prerequisites for reciting mantras. Even before this, the Gotra must be known. The Gotra is named after a rishi who started the lineage & who specialises in a specific branch of the Vedas. There is a specific mantra & ritual which applies to a specific branch of the vedas perfected by the gotra rishi. The student has to first perfect this mantra & ritual. Then the Gotra Rishi takes over & assists the student to achieve in life. Without this, there is no real progress with a mantra. Secondly, there has to be secrecy of the mantra between the Guru & Shishya. Then, the difference between Shudra & Shuddha has to be understood. The Prefix is the same but the Suffix of both are different. The " Dha " in Shuddha means firmness or concentration (relate with word Samadhi). The " Ra " in Shudra is the Beej Mantra of Fire. Fire exists in the human body as Jathara Agni (fire of digestion). A Shudra eats food which is taking a life in order to sustain a life. Therefore, such a person fails to qualify to read the Vedas or recite mantras from the Vedas. Until the person purifies himself (Bhut Shuddhi) & sufficiently strengthens his " Bhuta Agni " which overpowers his Jathara Agni " , the person is not ready for reciting Beej mantras or other mantras. A Beej mantra is a Shakti which has to be understood, otherwise this energy can prove dangerous to the uninitiated. All Sanskrit alphabets represent a beej mantra & therefore a shakti. The five S's are sthana (sit in the same place, face the same direction & if possible the same posture), samaya (sit at the same time +/- 5 minutes, sankhya (the number of repetitions to be done daily have to be fixed, the number of repetitions can be increased but not decreased, the total number of days have to be decided beforehand), samagri (the materials have to be the same everyday; no change), samayama (control of the sexual organ). Other restirctions are diet to be followed as well as how long after taking food should you recite mantras. The pronunciation has to be exact. An inappropriate intonation or meter (there are 7 meters) in reciting the vedas can lead to a different result. Then Purascharana has to be done. After, finishing the mantra sankhya, ten percent has to be offered as oblations in to a homa fire, 10% of this has has to be offered with water called tarpana, 10% of these have to be recited by sprinkling water about your body in a certain way called marjana followed by 10 % of this fed as bhojana fed to a number of persons usually children. The deity or shakti has to be understood correctly & worshipped correctly. In Kaliyuga, three purascharanas have to be done in order to get Mantra Siddhi. " Bhavishya " has been divided into " Bhav " and " Ish " . I am not a Sanskrit Scholar. But my understanding is that Bhav means the world or more precisely " Sansaar " and Ish means the Lord. Doesn't this mean that the future means under the lordship of the ruler of this " Sansaar " . An astrologer should stick to giving possible indications. I could be wrong. I would encourage other Gurujans to correct me. As always, please forgive me for any wrong information given. My purpose is to encourage a healthy discussion & learn from other esteemed colleagues. Best regards Harinder Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. Download Now! http://messenger./download.php Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2010 Report Share Posted April 7, 2010 no, just a term of endearment, Sir. Avtar wawtaar aap mahanubhavon ko mubaraq :-) , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > Rohini jee, > > Is this new Avatar " manjhlaa deepak " > > kindly enlighten > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Wed, April 7, 2010 10:11:05 PM > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! > > > An analogy that may irritate some purist astrologers, dada: Lunar nodes are like water or perhaps dhunaa (smoke) that adjusts its shape and appearance to fill the vessel they are placed in! Also known as the 'surrogate' role of the nodes. > > Rohiniranjan (manjhlaa deepak) > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Waah Harinder, what a beautiful and balanced write up! I loved it. I > > also hope that Rishi Vinay Jha will understand lot many meanings from > > this piece. In the North India region it is not for nothing that a idiom > > is in vogue 'BRAHAMIN KAA POOT, KOYEE JINN KOI BHOOT'. The so called > > Bapauti of so called Brahmins has been distributed equally to all by the > > Almighty. That is the reason,even when Vinay Ji as addressed as > > Guru,Pandit Ji or Pandit Ji Maharaaj, he takes it as an abuse and > > threatens all with the Cyber Laws, just like the law of the Khaiber > > region in NWFP. And the other day someone had asked a question which > > planets represent the different blood groups. I know only one blood > > group. The Universal 'O',which is shown by Mars. Look at the shining > > faces, broad foreheads, free-ways,the abusive slangs, inbuilt > > aggression,and on the other hand the great Mohyal Brahmins who fought > > shoulder to shoulder with the warriors of Allah against the Satans in > > Mesepotania (present day Iraq) and laid down their lives at the altar of > > Dharma. The ancient memorial built in Iraq is almost worshipped and > > reverred for these Hindus.There are a lot of doctors in my relations > > ,who are now in India(after the great partition),many of them are from > > that region ,which starts from Rawalpindi till the borders of > > Afghanistaan. Over the years they have been telling that people from > > this region have one of the best Hb and more exceptionally they > > represent 'O'grouping of blood.They normally do not face heart related > > problems or high blood pressure ! It feels good for my ears, but I can > > not vouch for it.The definition of BRAHMA is ASEEM AND ANANT and > > Brahmins is too narrowish,indeed. That is why Guptas, > > Srivastavas, Vermas,Sharmas, Singhs,Yadavs, Johns,Tewaris, Mishras, Jhas, > > Ojhas,Imraans, Khans, Lewis,Warnes, Morales et al are doing Jyotish,one > > of the Universal Science and Art of helping humanity, with Parashara's > > teachings,whether it has 56,56,100 Chapters ! Rishi Parashara and Vyaas > > will be smiling !It is only a handful of Tapaswis who are fighting about > > the missing chapters and the Sandhees or the V-CHHEDS ,simply beacause > > of claim that they have overcome the CHHEDS and the Big Hole and GUPHHA > > Theory, due to their Taap and Jaap....,because as they are Trikaal > > Darashee..., perhaps that is why RAHU With GURU only, is the creater of > > Chaandal Guru Yoga, but Rahu with other 6 planets does not create any > > Yoga. Why does Rahu Alone in Kumbha Rashee in Kendras not create any > > Yogaa like other Panch Mahapurusha ? OR for that matter no planetary > > combination creates CHAANDAL SHISHYA YOGA. The beauty of the Kalyuga is > > that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL !! > > > > JAAT NAA POOCHHO SADHU KEE BHAI ! > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > , Harinder Singh > > <harinder77711@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinayji/ Rohiniji > > > > > > Some additional information with regard to Parashara Rishi & > > Matsayagandha' s story: > > > > > > This is a case to show how even Rishis can be bewildered with Maya & > > the divine purpose of educating people at large during the impending > > Kalyuga was at the root of these happenings: > > > > > > Rishi Parashara was walking through a fishing village on the banks of > > the Yamuna. The combination of Planets which was about to happen > > foretold that if a soul was brought in to manifestation during this > > particular time that personage would become a great sage & a compiler of > > the vedas. Parasara could easily have easily manifested a child at the > > precise moment through his manas shakti. But, the effect of maya was so > > strong that he decided he will have sex with a maiden who will concieve > > a child. He saw a beautiful young fisher girl called " Matsyagandha " > > (daughter of a king & an " apsara " who was cursed to become a fish) and > > immediately gave the proposal. Knowing Parasara to be a Rishi, the girl > > readily agreed to the proposition to conceive a child through a Rishi > > considering herself lucky to bear a child through him. > > > > > > And, so, they travelled via boat to the middle of the Yamuna river. > > Here, Rishi Parasara created a small island where they lay down. Since > > it was broad daylight & the Sun was up, Matsagandha requested the Rishi > > " the Sun is witness to our play, please request him to turn away " . So > > darkness fell as the conception of this child took place. After the > > loveplay was over, Parasara granted Matsyagandha the boon of permanent > > sweet body fragrance - thus the name " Yojanagandha " (whose fragrance can > > be smelled at a distance of 8 miles). > > > The child who was born on the same day he was conceived called Krishna > > (dark complexioned due to the darkness at his conception) Dvaipayana > > (born on an island) Vyasa (the compiler) also known as Veda Vyasa (veda > > compiler). Vyasa reworked the Vedas, wrote the Mahabharata & also took > > the help of Shri Ganesh to write the Srimad Bhagvatam besides penning > > down the other Puranas. > > > > > > The divine purpose was to bring about the preservation of divine > > knowledge in to written form for the people who would be born in > > Kalyuga. Vyasa is one of 8 immortals who roam the world in disguise even > > today & Vyasa is also considered among one of the 24 incarnations of > > Vishnu. > > > > > > Rishi Parasara was chosen by divine will to become the father of this > > great personage exactly in this fashion. Rishi Parasara had to take > > birth again, but that is another story. Vyasa had to be born through the > > womb. He was to be the son whose father was a brahmin & mother was a > > shudra (then castes were identified by what karma people performed, not > > what family they were born in). This was because, Vyasa needed the genes > > of a brahmin to interpret & organise the spiritual literature. But, a > > pure Brahmin will not need to write down anything. The memory & the > > brain are sufficiently trained to keep everything in the memory bank & > > the Rishis communicate in Para Vani (the highest of four levels of > > speech - Para, Pashyanti, Madhyama & Vaikhari in descending order) so > > their library is at another level. But, a shudra will need to write down > > everything, keep records. The people in Kaliyuga are of inferior memory > > & intelligence, therefore the need for written > > > records. > > > > > > Multiple meanings can be drawn from one story & multiple purposes are > > served in the divine scheme of things as a result of one event. > > > > > > So, yes a true brahmin will not be employed by anyone & will work only > > for the divine(Brahm) . These conditions are not prevalent today to a > > large extent. Neither, does the son of a true Brahmin, qualify to be a > > Brahmin unless he engages himself completely in the study of Brahm. A > > Brahmin is identified only by the karma he performs, not by his parental > > lineage. > > > > > > All faults in this nerration are solely mine. Please forgive me for > > any oversights. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Harinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. > > Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 rohini jee, I thought deepak is your real name and rohini ranjan, the pen name. A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Thu, April 8, 2010 1:26:18 AM Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! no, just a term of endearment, Sir. Avtar wawtaar aap mahanubhavon ko mubaraq :-) , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > Rohini jee, > > Is this new Avatar " manjhlaa deepak " > > kindly enlighten > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Wed, April 7, 2010 10:11:05 PM > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! > > > An analogy that may irritate some purist astrologers, dada: Lunar nodes are like water or perhaps dhunaa (smoke) that adjusts its shape and appearance to fill the vessel they are placed in! Also known as the 'surrogate' role of the nodes. > > Rohiniranjan (manjhlaa deepak) > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Waah Harinder, what a beautiful and balanced write up! I loved it. I > > also hope that Rishi Vinay Jha will understand lot many meanings from > > this piece. In the North India region it is not for nothing that a idiom > > is in vogue 'BRAHAMIN KAA POOT, KOYEE JINN KOI BHOOT'. The so called > > Bapauti of so called Brahmins has been distributed equally to all by the > > Almighty. That is the reason,even when Vinay Ji as addressed as > > Guru,Pandit Ji or Pandit Ji Maharaaj, he takes it as an abuse and > > threatens all with the Cyber Laws, just like the law of the Khaiber > > region in NWFP. And the other day someone had asked a question which > > planets represent the different blood groups. I know only one blood > > group. The Universal 'O',which is shown by Mars. Look at the shining > > faces, broad foreheads, free-ways,the abusive slangs, inbuilt > > aggression,and on the other hand the great Mohyal Brahmins who fought > > shoulder to shoulder with the warriors of Allah against the Satans in > > Mesepotania (present day Iraq) and laid down their lives at the altar of > > Dharma. The ancient memorial built in Iraq is almost worshipped and > > reverred for these Hindus.There are a lot of doctors in my relations > > ,who are now in India(after the great partition),many of them are from > > that region ,which starts from Rawalpindi till the borders of > > Afghanistaan. Over the years they have been telling that people from > > this region have one of the best Hb and more exceptionally they > > represent 'O'grouping of blood.They normally do not face heart related > > problems or high blood pressure ! It feels good for my ears, but I can > > not vouch for it.The definition of BRAHMA is ASEEM AND ANANT and > > Brahmins is too narrowish,indeed. That is why Guptas, > > Srivastavas, Vermas,Sharmas, Singhs,Yadavs, Johns,Tewaris, Mishras, Jhas, > > Ojhas,Imraans, Khans, Lewis,Warnes, Morales et al are doing Jyotish,one > > of the Universal Science and Art of helping humanity, with Parashara's > > teachings,whether it has 56,56,100 Chapters ! Rishi Parashara and Vyaas > > will be smiling !It is only a handful of Tapaswis who are fighting about > > the missing chapters and the Sandhees or the V-CHHEDS ,simply beacause > > of claim that they have overcome the CHHEDS and the Big Hole and GUPHHA > > Theory, due to their Taap and Jaap....,because as they are Trikaal > > Darashee..., perhaps that is why RAHU With GURU only, is the creater of > > Chaandal Guru Yoga, but Rahu with other 6 planets does not create any > > Yoga. Why does Rahu Alone in Kumbha Rashee in Kendras not create any > > Yogaa like other Panch Mahapurusha ? OR for that matter no planetary > > combination creates CHAANDAL SHISHYA YOGA. The beauty of the Kalyuga is > > that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL !! > > > > JAAT NAA POOCHHO SADHU KEE BHAI ! > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > , Harinder Singh > > <harinder77711@ > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Vinayji/ Rohiniji > > > > > > Some additional information with regard to Parashara Rishi & > > Matsayagandha' s story: > > > > > > This is a case to show how even Rishis can be bewildered with Maya & > > the divine purpose of educating people at large during the impending > > Kalyuga was at the root of these happenings: > > > > > > Rishi Parashara was walking through a fishing village on the banks of > > the Yamuna. The combination of Planets which was about to happen > > foretold that if a soul was brought in to manifestation during this > > particular time that personage would become a great sage & a compiler of > > the vedas. Parasara could easily have easily manifested a child at the > > precise moment through his manas shakti. But, the effect of maya was so > > strong that he decided he will have sex with a maiden who will concieve > > a child. He saw a beautiful young fisher girl called " Matsyagandha " > > (daughter of a king & an " apsara " who was cursed to become a fish) and > > immediately gave the proposal. Knowing Parasara to be a Rishi, the girl > > readily agreed to the proposition to conceive a child through a Rishi > > considering herself lucky to bear a child through him. > > > > > > And, so, they travelled via boat to the middle of the Yamuna river. > > Here, Rishi Parasara created a small island where they lay down. Since > > it was broad daylight & the Sun was up, Matsagandha requested the Rishi > > " the Sun is witness to our play, please request him to turn away " . So > > darkness fell as the conception of this child took place. After the > > loveplay was over, Parasara granted Matsyagandha the boon of permanent > > sweet body fragrance - thus the name " Yojanagandha " (whose fragrance can > > be smelled at a distance of 8 miles). > > > The child who was born on the same day he was conceived called Krishna > > (dark complexioned due to the darkness at his conception) Dvaipayana > > (born on an island) Vyasa (the compiler) also known as Veda Vyasa (veda > > compiler). Vyasa reworked the Vedas, wrote the Mahabharata & also took > > the help of Shri Ganesh to write the Srimad Bhagvatam besides penning > > down the other Puranas. > > > > > > The divine purpose was to bring about the preservation of divine > > knowledge in to written form for the people who would be born in > > Kalyuga. Vyasa is one of 8 immortals who roam the world in disguise even > > today & Vyasa is also considered among one of the 24 incarnations of > > Vishnu. > > > > > > Rishi Parasara was chosen by divine will to become the father of this > > great personage exactly in this fashion. Rishi Parasara had to take > > birth again, but that is another story. Vyasa had to be born through the > > womb. He was to be the son whose father was a brahmin & mother was a > > shudra (then castes were identified by what karma people performed, not > > what family they were born in). This was because, Vyasa needed the genes > > of a brahmin to interpret & organise the spiritual literature. But, a > > pure Brahmin will not need to write down anything. The memory & the > > brain are sufficiently trained to keep everything in the memory bank & > > the Rishis communicate in Para Vani (the highest of four levels of > > speech - Para, Pashyanti, Madhyama & Vaikhari in descending order) so > > their library is at another level. But, a shudra will need to write down > > everything, keep records. The people in Kaliyuga are of inferior memory > > & intelligence, therefore the need for written > > > records. > > > > > > Multiple meanings can be drawn from one story & multiple purposes are > > served in the divine scheme of things as a result of one event. > > > > > > So, yes a true brahmin will not be employed by anyone & will work only > > for the divine(Brahm) . These conditions are not prevalent today to a > > large extent. Neither, does the son of a true Brahmin, qualify to be a > > Brahmin unless he engages himself completely in the study of Brahm. A > > Brahmin is identified only by the karma he performs, not by his parental > > lineage. > > > > > > All faults in this nerration are solely mine. Please forgive me for > > any oversights. > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > Harinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. > > Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2010 Report Share Posted April 8, 2010 My name is Rohiniranjan (one word, by the way! Sandhi vichched creates gender confusion as you may have observed!). Deepak to Raj_dada pyaar say bulaanay lagay -- achchaa lagaa, apnaa lagaa, and now with Kulbir_praa we form a three Deepak Chandelier, as best as our lights permit -- the three lights being: Love, Light and Levity! Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > rohini jee, I thought deepak is your real name and rohini ranjan, the pen name. > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > > Thu, April 8, 2010 1:26:18 AM > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! > > > no, just a term of endearment, Sir. Avtar wawtaar aap mahanubhavon ko mubaraq :-) > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Rohini jee, > > > > Is this new Avatar " manjhlaa deepak " > > > > kindly enlighten > > > > A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Wed, April 7, 2010 10:11:05 PM > > Re: ROSHNI aur Dhundh!! > > > > > > An analogy that may irritate some purist astrologers, dada: Lunar nodes are like water or perhaps dhunaa (smoke) that adjusts its shape and appearance to fill the vessel they are placed in! Also known as the 'surrogate' role of the nodes. > > > > Rohiniranjan (manjhlaa deepak) > > > > , " Raj " <rajbhardwaj1949@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Waah Harinder, what a beautiful and balanced write up! I loved it. I > > > also hope that Rishi Vinay Jha will understand lot many meanings from > > > this piece. In the North India region it is not for nothing that a idiom > > > is in vogue 'BRAHAMIN KAA POOT, KOYEE JINN KOI BHOOT'. The so called > > > Bapauti of so called Brahmins has been distributed equally to all by the > > > Almighty. That is the reason,even when Vinay Ji as addressed as > > > Guru,Pandit Ji or Pandit Ji Maharaaj, he takes it as an abuse and > > > threatens all with the Cyber Laws, just like the law of the Khaiber > > > region in NWFP. And the other day someone had asked a question which > > > planets represent the different blood groups. I know only one blood > > > group. The Universal 'O',which is shown by Mars. Look at the shining > > > faces, broad foreheads, free-ways,the abusive slangs, inbuilt > > > aggression,and on the other hand the great Mohyal Brahmins who fought > > > shoulder to shoulder with the warriors of Allah against the Satans in > > > Mesepotania (present day Iraq) and laid down their lives at the altar of > > > Dharma. The ancient memorial built in Iraq is almost worshipped and > > > reverred for these Hindus.There are a lot of doctors in my relations > > > ,who are now in India(after the great partition),many of them are from > > > that region ,which starts from Rawalpindi till the borders of > > > Afghanistaan. Over the years they have been telling that people from > > > this region have one of the best Hb and more exceptionally they > > > represent 'O'grouping of blood.They normally do not face heart related > > > problems or high blood pressure ! It feels good for my ears, but I can > > > not vouch for it.The definition of BRAHMA is ASEEM AND ANANT and > > > Brahmins is too narrowish,indeed. That is why Guptas, > > > Srivastavas, Vermas,Sharmas, Singhs,Yadavs, Johns,Tewaris, Mishras, Jhas, > > > Ojhas,Imraans, Khans, Lewis,Warnes, Morales et al are doing Jyotish,one > > > of the Universal Science and Art of helping humanity, with Parashara's > > > teachings,whether it has 56,56,100 Chapters ! Rishi Parashara and Vyaas > > > will be smiling !It is only a handful of Tapaswis who are fighting about > > > the missing chapters and the Sandhees or the V-CHHEDS ,simply beacause > > > of claim that they have overcome the CHHEDS and the Big Hole and GUPHHA > > > Theory, due to their Taap and Jaap....,because as they are Trikaal > > > Darashee..., perhaps that is why RAHU With GURU only, is the creater of > > > Chaandal Guru Yoga, but Rahu with other 6 planets does not create any > > > Yoga. Why does Rahu Alone in Kumbha Rashee in Kendras not create any > > > Yogaa like other Panch Mahapurusha ? OR for that matter no planetary > > > combination creates CHAANDAL SHISHYA YOGA. The beauty of the Kalyuga is > > > that Brihaspati,even without yuti of RAHU can also become CHANDAAL !! > > > > > > JAAT NAA POOCHHO SADHU KEE BHAI ! > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > Raj Bhardwaj > > > > > > > > > , Harinder Singh > > > <harinder77711@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Vinayji/ Rohiniji > > > > > > > > Some additional information with regard to Parashara Rishi & > > > Matsayagandha' s story: > > > > > > > > This is a case to show how even Rishis can be bewildered with Maya & > > > the divine purpose of educating people at large during the impending > > > Kalyuga was at the root of these happenings: > > > > > > > > Rishi Parashara was walking through a fishing village on the banks of > > > the Yamuna. The combination of Planets which was about to happen > > > foretold that if a soul was brought in to manifestation during this > > > particular time that personage would become a great sage & a compiler of > > > the vedas. Parasara could easily have easily manifested a child at the > > > precise moment through his manas shakti. But, the effect of maya was so > > > strong that he decided he will have sex with a maiden who will concieve > > > a child. He saw a beautiful young fisher girl called " Matsyagandha " > > > (daughter of a king & an " apsara " who was cursed to become a fish) and > > > immediately gave the proposal. Knowing Parasara to be a Rishi, the girl > > > readily agreed to the proposition to conceive a child through a Rishi > > > considering herself lucky to bear a child through him. > > > > > > > > And, so, they travelled via boat to the middle of the Yamuna river. > > > Here, Rishi Parasara created a small island where they lay down. Since > > > it was broad daylight & the Sun was up, Matsagandha requested the Rishi > > > " the Sun is witness to our play, please request him to turn away " . So > > > darkness fell as the conception of this child took place. After the > > > loveplay was over, Parasara granted Matsyagandha the boon of permanent > > > sweet body fragrance - thus the name " Yojanagandha " (whose fragrance can > > > be smelled at a distance of 8 miles). > > > > The child who was born on the same day he was conceived called Krishna > > > (dark complexioned due to the darkness at his conception) Dvaipayana > > > (born on an island) Vyasa (the compiler) also known as Veda Vyasa (veda > > > compiler). Vyasa reworked the Vedas, wrote the Mahabharata & also took > > > the help of Shri Ganesh to write the Srimad Bhagvatam besides penning > > > down the other Puranas. > > > > > > > > The divine purpose was to bring about the preservation of divine > > > knowledge in to written form for the people who would be born in > > > Kalyuga. Vyasa is one of 8 immortals who roam the world in disguise even > > > today & Vyasa is also considered among one of the 24 incarnations of > > > Vishnu. > > > > > > > > Rishi Parasara was chosen by divine will to become the father of this > > > great personage exactly in this fashion. Rishi Parasara had to take > > > birth again, but that is another story. Vyasa had to be born through the > > > womb. He was to be the son whose father was a brahmin & mother was a > > > shudra (then castes were identified by what karma people performed, not > > > what family they were born in). This was because, Vyasa needed the genes > > > of a brahmin to interpret & organise the spiritual literature. But, a > > > pure Brahmin will not need to write down anything. The memory & the > > > brain are sufficiently trained to keep everything in the memory bank & > > > the Rishis communicate in Para Vani (the highest of four levels of > > > speech - Para, Pashyanti, Madhyama & Vaikhari in descending order) so > > > their library is at another level. But, a shudra will need to write down > > > everything, keep records. The people in Kaliyuga are of inferior memory > > > & intelligence, therefore the need for written > > > > records. > > > > > > > > Multiple meanings can be drawn from one story & multiple purposes are > > > served in the divine scheme of things as a result of one event. > > > > > > > > So, yes a true brahmin will not be employed by anyone & will work only > > > for the divine(Brahm) . These conditions are not prevalent today to a > > > large extent. Neither, does the son of a true Brahmin, qualify to be a > > > Brahmin unless he engages himself completely in the study of Brahm. A > > > Brahmin is identified only by the karma he performs, not by his parental > > > lineage. > > > > > > > > All faults in this nerration are solely mine. Please forgive me for > > > any oversights. > > > > > > > > Best regards > > > > > > > > Harinder > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger. > > > Download Now! http://messenger. / download. php > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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