Guest guest Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Krishna ji, Forget the sincerity of those who seek it. The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice and follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any use to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can imagine what shall be outcome. Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that " Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around. When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables though calculators are very common. why? Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement.       A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha  Sirs, Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds: 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM  Dear Gopu ji & others, Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. Marriage compatabilty ============ ========= = Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. This is very clear from the following: " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there. There a few factors to be well understood here. A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.   Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha  dear shri krishnaji, Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also cliks and they live a happy life.   regards, k.gopu --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM  Rohini Ji, Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM  Krishnan ji, Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members, > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Aditi, > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > Take care...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > Best Regards, > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees! There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like a nail! " Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on. Not internet fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn. So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course. It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a religion and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that students must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc but forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to learn astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of course and others may disagree, understandably! :-) Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage to astrology than being more accommodating! But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable in a confined and well-guarded area of belief! Regards, Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag wrote: > > Krishna ji, > > Forget the sincerity of those who seek it. > > The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice and follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any use to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can imagine what shall be outcome. > > Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that " Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around. > > When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables though calculators are very common. why? > > Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement. >      >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ________________________________ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > >  > Sirs, > Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds: > 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw > 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service > It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM > >  > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > Marriage compatabilty > ============ ========= = > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > This is very clear from the following: > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there. > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. >   > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > >  > dear shri krishnaji, > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > cliks and they live a happy life. >  >  > regards, > k.gopu > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > >  > > Rohini Ji, > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > >  > > Krishnan ji, > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > Take care...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dada, I know that my way of thinking perhaps irritates some people who are very intelligent and have process-oriented minds or those whose training has been in the black and white reality of numbers and math (without mincing words and hopefully not sounding offensive: Engineers, businessmen, Doctors, Accountants, Math teachers, and those from similar pursuits) who have beautifully embraced astrology and are bringing much to light. But, I would like to retain my sensitivity and accommodative position towards those who seek astro-advice. A few of these may be naughty and perhaps " disturbed " but most are perhaps simply confused. Confused because they may have tried many jyotishis (or other divinators! Jyotishis alone are not responsible for the confusion rampant in the world!) and flummoxed and frustrated by the multiple solutions that they have received! It is a fact and simply the reality and none of us really have the time, or resources to take up that Torch and make it our life's project to resolve! It is a very big responsibility to try and CLEAN-UP the HUGE DOMAIN that Jyotish has become with a lot of heavy politics and personal agendas and lot of KOOTNEETI, as we see from time to time... But as the hindustani saying goes: Nakkarkhaanay main Tutee ki kya awaaz. Kaun suntaa hai the soothing sound of the mountain-brook -- Nagaadon kay dhamaakon kay beech! Regards, Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Sirs, > Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds: > 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw > 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service > It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/base and the learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM > > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > Marriage compatabilty > ============ ========= = > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > This is very clear from the following: > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there. > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. >   > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > >  > dear shri krishnaji, > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > cliks and they live a happy life. >  >  > regards, > k.gopu > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > >  > > Rohini Ji, > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > >  > > Krishnan ji, > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > Take care...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dear Chandra Kanth, Well said, put in proper perspective.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ________________________________ chanddra kanthd <chanddrakanthd Thu, January 21, 2010 7:53:45 PM Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha  Dear Gurujan, Very well explained. The institution of marriage is very good as long as both the partners act maturedly and are mentally ready to take it forward and not allow their personal egos to come in the way. As long as both the partners are mentally ready to take on the challenges of life without blaming each other for the problems that crop up in life it will be a smooth sailing ship in a sea. This mentality should continue to go on in life and should not change when the greener pastures cannot continue to be seen and deserts are seen in the near future. In between the partners as long as the " WE " attitude is there everything will go on fine even though they have to brave a Tsunami, but the moment the " WE " changes into " I " , the problems start to creep into the otherwise looking smooth flowing river. What probably looked like a heaven will start look like hell the moment partners lose their minds and start blaming eachother for problems. Astrology should only be taken as a guide, a beacon light to help the partners in their rather complicated journey called LIFE which has both troubled waters and also good happy moments, rather than making it look like the sole indicator of happy life or may be either blame it for any problems that crop up in life. Regards Chanddrakanth D --- On Thu, 21/1/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Thursday, 21 January, 2010, 5:46 PM  Dear Gopu ji & others, Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. Marriage compatabilty ============ ========= = Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. This is very clear from the following: " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there. There a few factors to be well understood here. A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.   Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha  dear shri krishnaji, Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also cliks and they live a happy life.   regards, k.gopu --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM  Rohini Ji, Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM  Krishnan ji, Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members, > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Aditi, > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > Take care...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > Best Regards, > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dear Friends, Infact this thread of bhakoot dosha has for long time gone into circles deviated from the main issue and all other sundry issues r included to reply in a manner as if this significance made out was totally different from what has been told/written/made out in classiclas. At this juncture I feel that as person taking the onus to guide/counsel is always different from a person who makes a peer review or as an examiner/reviewer who has a view onthe subject. Internet Astrology otherwise instant Astrology has it's own ways for the professionals or for the members to understand and to provide solutions to the needy one.I have nothing to opine in this regard. For a question like " when will I get married " ?,the Astrologer has to clarify based on certain parameters as enunuciated,understood learnt by the professional. For me this type of question carries little conviction.So to the extent of my awreness,professional approach,knowledge,my answer will be:you r likely to get marries in th year 2010 before june26th. Others who are also interested in providing solutions in a manner that can be appreciated or understood or his confused state is cleared is dependent on his style and way understood ,I have no comment nor I have interest to clarify. My concern however for more than a decade in this media of Astrological counselling/advice has been: 1.Addressing in a routine manner not much showing any keenness on his part to resolve issue 2.In my own approach,if I suggest/make couple of advices,for the person has no meaning/appreciation either as yes or no or his own comments 3.Certain issues of the topic on delay in marraige ,the issue of sade sati or kuja dosha or nadi are raised.as if it is due to that particular issue every thing looks to be held up or he was guided as such by some body else. 4.we have also friends and others trying to provide solutions about whom I do not say any thing but keep silent. 5.Some strategic issues like free will or destiny or result of karmas or when I can be free from these problems r also not un common.For such issues of general interst and concern probably some 3-4 people may attend to the topic and convey in their own manner. Finally knowledge of Astrology,correct guidnace,removing the confusion etc depned on review as it is a open forum and has a feed back on the responses and also simultaneous peer review on the issue. In fact there are rarely issues coming which r not in the nature of jobs,marriages children etc,which certainly needs some time to prepare and answer. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Fri, 1/22/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Friday, January 22, 2010, 12:27 AM  Dear Chandra Kanth, Well said, put in proper perspective.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ chanddra kanthd <chanddrakanthd@ .co. in> Thu, January 21, 2010 7:53:45 PM Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha  Dear Gurujan, Very well explained. The institution of marriage is very good as long as both the partners act maturedly and are mentally ready to take it forward and not allow their personal egos to come in the way. As long as both the partners are mentally ready to take on the challenges of life without blaming each other for the problems that crop up in life it will be a smooth sailing ship in a sea. This mentality should continue to go on in life and should not change when the greener pastures cannot continue to be seen and deserts are seen in the near future. In between the partners as long as the " WE " attitude is there everything will go on fine even though they have to brave a Tsunami, but the moment the " WE " changes into " I " , the problems start to creep into the otherwise looking smooth flowing river. What probably looked like a heaven will start look like hell the moment partners lose their minds and start blaming eachother for problems. Astrology should only be taken as a guide, a beacon light to help the partners in their rather complicated journey called LIFE which has both troubled waters and also good happy moments, rather than making it look like the sole indicator of happy life or may be either blame it for any problems that crop up in life. Regards Chanddrakanth D --- On Thu, 21/1/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Thursday, 21 January, 2010, 5:46 PM  Dear Gopu ji & others, Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. Marriage compatabilty ============ ========= = Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. This is very clear from the following: " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there. There a few factors to be well understood here. A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.   Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha  dear shri krishnaji, Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also cliks and they live a happy life.   regards, k.gopu --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM  Rohini Ji, Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM  Krishnan ji, Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members, > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Aditi, > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > Take care...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > Best Regards, > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 If we r going cyber medium,for purpose of jyotish .v can not but bear blogs,stories or it's own styles that r likely to come up The point however beyond doubt,is however either v r aiding the group /forum or v are only belittling the opportunity provided for Astrological purposes. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: query - bhakut dosha Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:27 PM  Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees! There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like a nail! " Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on.. Not internet fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn. So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course. It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a religion and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that students must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc but forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to learn astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of course and others may disagree, understandably! :-) Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage to astrology than being more accommodating! But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable in a confined and well-guarded area of belief! Regards, Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Krishna ji, > > Forget the sincerity of those who seek it. > > The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice and follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any use to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can imagine what shall be outcome. > > Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that " Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around. > > When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables though calculators are very common. why? > > Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement. >      >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > >  > Sirs, > Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds: > 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw > 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service > It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM > >  > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > Marriage compatabilty > ============ ========= = > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > This is very clear from the following: > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there.. > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. >   > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > >  > dear shri krishnaji, > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > cliks and they live a happy life. >  >  > regards, > k.gopu > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > >  > > Rohini Ji, > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > >  > > Krishnan ji, > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > Take care...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dear Members, We need to be moderate to understand that if some body raises a question to understand his own case,v can with our professional approach spell out. if sombody raises a question but wants a fuller implication,it is better he endeavours a class room approach to learn and seek clarification on such issues. In any case sppon feeding in a forum like this is not a way to deal with matters of utmost significance. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: query - bhakut dosha Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:27 PM  Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees! There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like a nail! " Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on.. Not internet fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn. So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course. It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a religion and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that students must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc but forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to learn astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of course and others may disagree, understandably! :-) Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage to astrology than being more accommodating! But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable in a confined and well-guarded area of belief! Regards, Rohiniranjan , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > Krishna ji, > > Forget the sincerity of those who seek it. > > The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice and follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any use to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can imagine what shall be outcome. > > Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that " Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around. > > When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables though calculators are very common. why? > > Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement. >      >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > >  > Sirs, > Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds: > 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw > 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service > It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM > >  > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > Marriage compatabilty > ============ ========= = > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > This is very clear from the following: > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there.. > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. >   > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > >  > dear shri krishnaji, > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > cliks and they live a happy life. >  >  > regards, > k.gopu > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > >  > > Rohini Ji, > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > >  > > Krishnan ji, > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > Take care...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dear Shri Suresh babuji, I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed with a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma when it comes to family life. Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life.  thanks, regards, k.gopu --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM  Dear Gopu ji & others, Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. Marriage compatabilty ============ ========= = Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. This is very clear from the following: " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there. There a few factors to be well understood here. A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.   Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha  dear shri krishnaji, Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also cliks and they live a happy life.   regards, k.gopu --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM  Rohini Ji, Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM  Krishnan ji, Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members, > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Aditi, > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > Take care...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > Best Regards, > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Thanks Sureshji Regards Chanddra --- On Fri, 22/1/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Friday, 22 January, 2010, 10:57 AM  Dear Chandra Kanth, Well said, put in proper perspective.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ chanddra kanthd <chanddrakanthd@ .co. in> Thu, January 21, 2010 7:53:45 PM Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha  Dear Gurujan, Very well explained. The institution of marriage is very good as long as both the partners act maturedly and are mentally ready to take it forward and not allow their personal egos to come in the way. As long as both the partners are mentally ready to take on the challenges of life without blaming each other for the problems that crop up in life it will be a smooth sailing ship in a sea. This mentality should continue to go on in life and should not change when the greener pastures cannot continue to be seen and deserts are seen in the near future. In between the partners as long as the " WE " attitude is there everything will go on fine even though they have to brave a Tsunami, but the moment the " WE " changes into " I " , the problems start to creep into the otherwise looking smooth flowing river. What probably looked like a heaven will start look like hell the moment partners lose their minds and start blaming eachother for problems. Astrology should only be taken as a guide, a beacon light to help the partners in their rather complicated journey called LIFE which has both troubled waters and also good happy moments, rather than making it look like the sole indicator of happy life or may be either blame it for any problems that crop up in life. Regards Chanddrakanth D --- On Thu, 21/1/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Thursday, 21 January, 2010, 5:46 PM  Dear Gopu ji & others, Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. Marriage compatabilty ============ ========= = Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. This is very clear from the following: " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there. There a few factors to be well understood here. A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same.   Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology.  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy ____________ _________ _________ __ K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha  dear shri krishnaji, Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also cliks and they live a happy life.   regards, k.gopu --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM  Rohini Ji, Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Re: query - bhakut dosha Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM  Krishnan ji, Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members, > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Aditi, > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > Take care...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > Best Regards, > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2010 Report Share Posted January 22, 2010 Dear All, It is true that only between 1-2% of Indian marriages end up in divorce whereas in USA the rate is 43-54% (google search), but does this take into account certain unique demographic facts about India: 70% of Indians live in villages Nearly all marriages in villages are arranged, I presume. Does the 1-2% rate represent: = Divorce rates in urban India? = Divorce rates in all of India (including the presumably Data Diluting effect that the rural data will impose -- presuming that rural marriages tend not to end up in divorces readily!). = Other confounding factors ...! Like Suresh_jee recently mentioned -- percentages are double-edged sword and best utilized intelligently! Rohiniranjan , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > Dear Shri Suresh babuji, > I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm > opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed with > a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners > thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to > appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate > the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our > population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma when > it comes to family life. > Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life. >  > thanks, > regards, > k.gopu > > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > Marriage compatabilty > ============ ========= = > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > This is very clear from the following: > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there. > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. >   > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > >  > dear shri krishnaji, > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > cliks and they live a happy life. >  >  > regards, > k.gopu > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > >  > > Rohini Ji, > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > >  > > Krishnan ji, > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > Take care...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 We are hoping that people approach jyotish as a worthy subject of study and not get enthralled or entangled by the emotions and dramas and politics of human beings! And to avoid treating astrology as some frail religion that does not have strong legs to stand! Last time I checked, the oldest member on this or any Astrology forum is oh say only 75 years old! While Jyotish is thousands of years old! She does not need puny human beings to look after her! Ma can take care of us all, and has for thousands of years despite ravages, pillages, hiding and sitting over information and in some cases I have heard that palmyra leaves with valuable secrets have been eaten up by fungus, mold and termites because the HEIR had no clue what he was sitting on...! Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > If we r going cyber medium,for purpose of jyotish .v can not but bear blogs,stories or it's own styles that r likely to come up > The point however beyond doubt,is however either v r aiding the group /forum or v are only belittling the opportunity provided for Astrological purposes. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:27 PM > > >  > > > > Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees! > > There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like a nail! " > > Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on.. Not internet fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn. > > So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course. > > It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a religion and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that students must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc but forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to learn astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of course and others may disagree, understandably! :-) > > Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage to astrology than being more accommodating! > > But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable in a confined and well-guarded area of belief! > > Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > Forget the sincerity of those who seek it. > > > > The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice and follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any use to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can imagine what shall be outcome. > > > > Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that " Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around. > > > > When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables though calculators are very common. why? > > > > Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement. > >      > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > >  > > Sirs, > > Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds: > > 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw > > 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service > > It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM > > > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > > > Marriage compatabilty > > ============ ========= = > > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > > > This is very clear from the following: > > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there.. > > > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. > >   > > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. > > > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > >  > > dear shri krishnaji, > > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > > cliks and they live a happy life. > >  > >  > > regards, > > k.gopu > > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > > > >  > > > > Rohini Ji, > > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > > > >  > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Dada, I can sense that something is really bothering you, but unless you come out and say it directly, none of us may ever get it! We are collectively -- hardly prognosticators, let alone mind-readers! Am I sensing rightly or just imagining ;-) C'mon blurt it out, I will not hurl abuses in gutter language at you, I promise... :-) RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Members, > We need to be moderate to understand that if some body raises a question to understand his own case,v can with our professional approach spell out. > if sombody raises a question but wants a fuller implication,it is better he endeavours a class room approach to learn and seek clarification on such issues. > In any case sppon feeding in a forum like this is not a way to deal with matters of utmost significance. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:27 PM > > >  > > > > Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees! > > There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like a nail! " > > Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on.. Not internet fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn. > > So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course. > > It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a religion and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that students must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc but forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to learn astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of course and others may disagree, understandably! :-) > > Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage to astrology than being more accommodating! > > But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable in a confined and well-guarded area of belief! > > Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > Forget the sincerity of those who seek it. > > > > The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice and follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any use to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can imagine what shall be outcome. > > > > Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that " Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around. > > > > When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables though calculators are very common. why? > > > > Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement. > >      > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > >  > > Sirs, > > Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds: > > 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw > > 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service > > It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM > > > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > > > Marriage compatabilty > > ============ ========= = > > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > > > This is very clear from the following: > > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there.. > > > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. > >   > > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. > > > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > >  > > dear shri krishnaji, > > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > > cliks and they live a happy life. > >  > >  > > regards, > > k.gopu > > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > > > >  > > > > Rohini Ji, > > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > > > >  > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Hoping is the factor of sustainabilty.other wise a the palmyra leaves got effected through fungus,the jyotish to ultimately becomes extint in evolutionary process as v have seen the fate of a man (lost 3rd eye and lost a tail).If the religions patronise it may become durable.otherwise jytish crawls to take care and and do dressing for those slighted human beings. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: query - bhakut dosha Friday, January 22, 2010, 6:05 PM  We are hoping that people approach jyotish as a worthy subject of study and not get enthralled or entangled by the emotions and dramas and politics of human beings! And to avoid treating astrology as some frail religion that does not have strong legs to stand! Last time I checked, the oldest member on this or any Astrology forum is oh say only 75 years old! While Jyotish is thousands of years old! She does not need puny human beings to look after her! Ma can take care of us all, and has for thousands of years despite ravages, pillages, hiding and sitting over information and in some cases I have heard that palmyra leaves with valuable secrets have been eaten up by fungus, mold and termites because the HEIR had no clue what he was sitting on...! Rohiniranjan , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > If we r going cyber medium,for purpose of jyotish .v can not but bear blogs,stories or it's own styles that r likely to come up > The point however beyond doubt,is however either v r aiding the group /forum or v are only belittling the opportunity provided for Astrological purposes. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:27 PM > > >  > > > > Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees! > > There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like a nail! " > > Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on.. Not internet fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn. > > So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course. > > It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a religion and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that students must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc but forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to learn astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of course and others may disagree, understandably! :-) > > Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage to astrology than being more accommodating! > > But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable in a confined and well-guarded area of belief! > > Regards, > > Rohiniranjan > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > Forget the sincerity of those who seek it. > > > > The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice and follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any use to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can imagine what shall be outcome. > > > > Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that " Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around. > > > > When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables though calculators are very common. why? > > > > Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement. > >      > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > >  > > Sirs, > > Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds: > > 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw > > 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service > > It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM > > > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > > > Marriage compatabilty > > ============ ========= = > > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > > > This is very clear from the following: > > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there.. > > > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. > >   > > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.. > > > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > >  > > dear shri krishnaji, > > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > > cliks and they live a happy life. > >  > >  > > regards, > > k.gopu > > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > > > >  > > > > Rohini Ji, > > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > > > >  > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Dear Members. Villages are only extensions to accommodate those big numbers.otherwise the 'culture' potryed is no different from a Metro,urabnite and moderate town.Today a village is meant only for security and protection to negotiate for some concessions as the means come from selling the lands or converting the lands from basic agriculture.They have learnt lot through films,soap operas and other enetertianment worlds.They r connected globally by cable operators. Infact the % r equally spread over in villages but the feuds leading to fall in harmony r slightly different. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: query - bhakut dosha Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:59 PM  Dear All, It is true that only between 1-2% of Indian marriages end up in divorce whereas in USA the rate is 43-54% (google search), but does this take into account certain unique demographic facts about India: 70% of Indians live in villages Nearly all marriages in villages are arranged, I presume. Does the 1-2% rate represent: = Divorce rates in urban India? = Divorce rates in all of India (including the presumably Data Diluting effect that the rural data will impose -- presuming that rural marriages tend not to end up in divorces readily!). = Other confounding factors ...! Like Suresh_jee recently mentioned -- percentages are double-edged sword and best utilized intelligently! Rohiniranjan , K Gopu <kgopu_24@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Shri Suresh babuji, > I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm > opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed with > a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners > thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to > appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate > the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our > population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma when > it comes to family life. > Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life.. >  > thanks, > regards, > k.gopu > > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > Marriage compatabilty > ============ ========= = > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > This is very clear from the following: > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there.. > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. >   > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > >  > dear shri krishnaji, > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > cliks and they live a happy life. >  >  > regards, > k.gopu > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > >  > > Rohini Ji, > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > >  > > Krishnan ji, > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > Take care...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Hoping is not the same as Wishing, Dada! You have stopped trusting in God, it seems :-) Even if all leaves and the fungus that had been growing on them vanishes, Jyotish will live because it has entered the soul of humanity and is here to stay! Why do I say so? Well -- that should be simple to figure out ;-) If attention was being paid ...! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Hoping is the factor of sustainabilty.other wise a the palmyra leaves got effected through fungus,the jyotish to ultimately becomes extint in evolutionary process as v have seen the fate of a man (lost 3rd eye and lost a tail).If the religions patronise it may become durable.otherwise jytish crawls to take care and and do dressing for those slighted human beings. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 6:05 PM > > >  > > > > We are hoping that people approach jyotish as a worthy subject of study and not get enthralled or entangled by the emotions and dramas and politics of human beings! And to avoid treating astrology as some frail religion that does not have strong legs to stand! > > Last time I checked, the oldest member on this or any Astrology forum is oh say only 75 years old! > > While Jyotish is thousands of years old! She does not need puny human beings to look after her! Ma can take care of us all, and has for thousands of years despite ravages, pillages, hiding and sitting over information and in some cases I have heard that palmyra leaves with valuable secrets have been eaten up by fungus, mold and termites because the HEIR had no clue what he was sitting on...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > If we r going cyber medium,for purpose of jyotish .v can not but bear blogs,stories or it's own styles that r likely to come up > > The point however beyond doubt,is however either v r aiding the group /forum or v are only belittling the opportunity provided for Astrological purposes. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees! > > > > There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like a nail! " > > > > Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on.. Not internet fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn. > > > > So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course. > > > > It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a religion and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that students must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc but forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to learn astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of course and others may disagree, understandably! :-) > > > > Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage to astrology than being more accommodating! > > > > But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable in a confined and well-guarded area of belief! > > > > Regards, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > Forget the sincerity of those who seek it. > > > > > > The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice and follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any use to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can imagine what shall be outcome. > > > > > > Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that " Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around. > > > > > > When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables though calculators are very common. why? > > > > > > Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement. > > >      > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > >  > > > Sirs, > > > Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds: > > > 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw > > > 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service > > > It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > > > > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > > > > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > > > > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > > > > > Marriage compatabilty > > > ============ ========= = > > > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > > > > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > > > > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > > > > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > > > > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > > > > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > > > > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > > > > > This is very clear from the following: > > > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > > > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > > > > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there.. > > > > > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > > > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > > > > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > > > > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > > > > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > > > > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > > > > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. > > >   > > > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > > > > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.. > > > > > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > > > > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > > > > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > >  > > > dear shri krishnaji, > > > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > > > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > > > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > > > cliks and they live a happy life. > > >  > > >  > > > regards, > > > k.gopu > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Rohini Ji, > > > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > > > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > > > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > > > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps toÃÆ'‚ " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2010 Report Share Posted January 23, 2010 Dada, Certainly " If attention was being paid ...! " " this condition is most essentail. to make issues more simplified  Let us " Jyotish will live " a wish that has to be promoted by all those who devoted their time and tried to pass on the baton so that no body would attempt to negate Thought(hope) //(hoping that) people approach jyotish as a worthy subject of study and not get enthralled or entangled by the emotions and dramas and politics of human beings! // Iam sure this is not a writing on the wall. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: query - bhakut dosha Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:50 AM  Hoping is not the same as Wishing, Dada! You have stopped trusting in God, it seems :-) Even if all leaves and the fungus that had been growing on them vanishes, Jyotish will live because it has entered the soul of humanity and is here to stay! Why do I say so? Well -- that should be simple to figure out ;-) If attention was being paid ...! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Hoping is the factor of sustainabilty. other wise a the palmyra leaves got effected through fungus,the jyotish to ultimately becomes extint in evolutionary process as v have seen the fate of a man (lost 3rd eye and lost a tail).If the religions patronise it may become durable.otherwise jytish crawls to take care and and do dressing for those slighted human beings. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 6:05 PM > > >  > > > > We are hoping that people approach jyotish as a worthy subject of study and not get enthralled or entangled by the emotions and dramas and politics of human beings! And to avoid treating astrology as some frail religion that does not have strong legs to stand! > > Last time I checked, the oldest member on this or any Astrology forum is oh say only 75 years old! > > While Jyotish is thousands of years old! She does not need puny human beings to look after her! Ma can take care of us all, and has for thousands of years despite ravages, pillages, hiding and sitting over information and in some cases I have heard that palmyra leaves with valuable secrets have been eaten up by fungus, mold and termites because the HEIR had no clue what he was sitting on...! > > Rohiniranjan > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > If we r going cyber medium,for purpose of jyotish .v can not but bear blogs,stories or it's own styles that r likely to come up > > The point however beyond doubt,is however either v r aiding the group /forum or v are only belittling the opportunity provided for Astrological purposes. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 6:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Suresh ji, Krishnan Ji and other Member jees! > > > > There is a saying, " If all one has is a hammer, the entire world looks like a nail! " > > > > Despite what certain minds maintain, there is not a single way that all can learn astrology. Some learn it better in a traditional method, others require more creative ways to get them interested. And, I am saying that for serious and consistent teaching settings such as schools, gurukools and so on.. Not internet fora which can only go so far. I fully agree with you that spoon-feeding is not a good idea. Although I am not a teacher, I personally detest spoon-feeding and have always insisted that people put in the effort if they wish to learn. > > > > So it is very important to see that the teacher and student have compatible minds. This is one use for melapak as I was hinting the other day for its use other than marriage! There are other uses too, of course. > > > > It is also good to have a questioning mind, since astrology is not a religion and should not become faith-based. Now some teachers do insist that students must not ask questions and they use the ancient model of Gurukools etc but forget one simple point! In those days, the student was sent not just to learn astrology but to receive a well-rounded knowledge about pragmatic and philosopical and cultural and all other education. Such a model would be ineffective in the case of most individuals who live modern lives, work on modern jobs and have lives way larger than just astrology. For them, a more modern approach would work better. That is just based on my observations, of course and others may disagree, understandably! :-) > > > > Hence, the best and most democratic approach would be to have all kinds of styles coexist, including the blogs and stories ;-) and not to create some cookie-cutter course that will just draw yawns from most and turn them off and then those people become sceptics and attack astrology without fully understanding it. Such rigidity and " my way or highway " would create more damage to astrology than being more accommodating! > > > > But, I realize, not everyone can be flexible and some feel more comfortable in a confined and well-guarded area of belief! > > > > Regards, > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , " Suresh Babu.A.G " <sureshbabuag@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Krishna ji, > > > > > > Forget the sincerity of those who seek it. > > > > > > The formost thing is the conviction of the astrologers in what they advice and follow. The doubt should be cleared away from their minds for them to be any use to others. When a doubtfull persons approches a doubtfull astrologer you can imagine what shall be outcome. > > > > > > Either the astrologer should have the guts to guide the person or admit that " Sorry I don't know about this, pls approach someone else " . This is better for the seeker or a student than throwing a lot of confusions around. > > > > > > When you learn maths right from 1st standard to the phd level it is the same basic numeric that one use, but learns better ways of using them & more as one goes higher & higher. You still teach the kids the multiplication tables though calculators are very common. why? > > > > > > Astrology is not different. Learn the basic very well - then learn to apply them correctly. Failure are not uncommon but should not a reason for judgement. > > >     \  > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> > > > > > > Thu, January 21, 2010 7:36:46 PM > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > >  > > > Sirs, > > > Yet the doubt lurks on two grounds: > > > 1.Sincerity to seek astro counselling and adopt/follw > > > 2.The Cyber media with several bugs,the honesty in providing service > > > It is beyond doubt that the knowldge has reliable logic/ground/ base and the learner too for his purpose or to promote thescience should also advance meaningful explanation that can be considered for practice and application. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ > > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 7:16 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > > > > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > > > > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > > > > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > > > > > Marriage compatabilty > > > ============ ========= = > > > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > > > > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > > > > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > > > > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > > > > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > > > > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > > > > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > > > > > This is very clear from the following: > > > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > > > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > > > > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there.. > > > > > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > > > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > > > > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > > > > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > > > > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > > > > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > > > > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. > > >   > > > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > > > > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.. > > > > > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > > > > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > > > > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > >  > > > dear shri krishnaji, > > > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > > > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > > > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > > > cliks and they live a happy life. > > >  > > >  > > > regards, > > > k.gopu > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Rohini Ji, > > > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > > > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > > > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > > > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion.. > > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps toÃÆ'‚ " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚Â\  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Quite frankly, Krishanan Dada, that is not what I have heard from people living in India. Life in the villages, despite the invasion of cable and TV and radio is still VERY different from how Indians live in even small cities and their practices and marriages etc and values in general. However, since this topic is making some people uncomfortable, I will move away from this. I personally do not care how people in India wish to live or carry on their practices etc. I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Dear Members. > Villages are only extensions to accommodate those big numbers.otherwise the 'culture' potryed is no different from a Metro,urabnite and moderate town.Today a village is meant only for security and protection to negotiate for some concessions as the means come from selling the lands or converting the lands from basic agriculture.They have learnt lot through films,soap operas and other enetertianment worlds.They r connected globally by cable operators. > Infact the % r equally spread over in villages but the feuds leading to fall in harmony r slightly different. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:59 PM > > >  > > > > Dear All, > > It is true that only between 1-2% of Indian marriages end up in divorce whereas in USA the rate is 43-54% (google search), but does this take into account certain unique demographic facts about India: > > 70% of Indians live in villages > Nearly all marriages in villages are arranged, I presume. > > Does the 1-2% rate represent: > = Divorce rates in urban India? > = Divorce rates in all of India (including the presumably Data Diluting effect that the rural data will impose -- presuming that rural marriages tend not to end up in divorces readily!). > = Other confounding factors ...! > > Like Suresh_jee recently mentioned -- percentages are double-edged sword and best utilized intelligently! > > Rohiniranjan > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@ .> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Suresh babuji, > > I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm > > opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed with > > a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners > > thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to > > appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate > > the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our > > population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma when > > it comes to family life. > > Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life.. > >  > > thanks, > > regards, > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > > > Marriage compatabilty > > ============ ========= = > > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > > > This is very clear from the following: > > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there.. > > > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. > >   > > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. > > > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > >  > > dear shri krishnaji, > > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > > cliks and they live a happy life. > >  > >  > > regards, > > k.gopu > > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > > > >  > > > > Rohini Ji, > > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > > > >  > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 Undoubted ly.Certain issues relating to dosha that too bhakut r misconception.good v leave things Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services (For all counseling services) Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma  --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Re: query - bhakut dosha Saturday, January 23, 2010, 6:44 PM  Quite frankly, Krishanan Dada, that is not what I have heard from people living in India. Life in the villages, despite the invasion of cable and TV and radio is still VERY different from how Indians live in even small cities and their practices and marriages etc and values in general. However, since this topic is making some people uncomfortable, I will move away from this. I personally do not care how people in India wish to live or carry on their practices etc. I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members. > Villages are only extensions to accommodate those big numbers.otherwise the 'culture' potryed is no different from a Metro,urabnite and moderate town.Today a village is meant only for security and protection to negotiate for some concessions as the means come from selling the lands or converting the lands from basic agriculture. They have learnt lot through films,soap operas and other enetertianment worlds.They r connected globally by cable operators. > Infact the % r equally spread over in villages but the feuds leading to fall in harmony r slightly different. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:59 PM > > >  > > > > Dear All, > > It is true that only between 1-2% of Indian marriages end up in divorce whereas in USA the rate is 43-54% (google search), but does this take into account certain unique demographic facts about India: > > 70% of Indians live in villages > Nearly all marriages in villages are arranged, I presume. > > Does the 1-2% rate represent: > = Divorce rates in urban India? > = Divorce rates in all of India (including the presumably Data Diluting effect that the rural data will impose -- presuming that rural marriages tend not to end up in divorces readily!). > = Other confounding factors ...! > > Like Suresh_jee recently mentioned -- percentages are double-edged sword and best utilized intelligently! > > Rohiniranjan > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@ .> wrote: > > > > Dear Shri Suresh babuji, > > I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm > > opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed with > > a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners > > thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to > > appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate > > the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our > > population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma when > > it comes to family life. > > Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life.. > >  > > thanks, > > regards, > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > > > Marriage compatabilty > > ============ ========= = > > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > > > This is very clear from the following: > > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there.. > > > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. > >   > > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.. > > > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > >  > > dear shri krishnaji, > > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > > cliks and they live a happy life. > >  > >  > > regards, > > k.gopu > > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > > > >  > > > > Rohini Ji, > > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > > > >  > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2010 Report Share Posted January 24, 2010 NO NO DADA! You misunderstand ;-) We do not leave BHAKUT and Melapak and other jyotish diggings! We just leave the discussion regarding stats on Divorces and National statistics and culture of India etc! Best regards! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Undoubted ly.Certain issues relating to dosha that too bhakut r misconception.good v leave things > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani wrote: > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Saturday, January 23, 2010, 6:44 PM > > >  > > > > Quite frankly, Krishanan Dada, that is not what I have heard from people living in India. Life in the villages, despite the invasion of cable and TV and radio is still VERY different from how Indians live in even small cities and their practices and marriages etc and values in general. > > However, since this topic is making some people uncomfortable, I will move away from this. I personally do not care how people in India wish to live or carry on their practices etc. I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings! > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Members. > > Villages are only extensions to accommodate those big numbers.otherwise the 'culture' potryed is no different from a Metro,urabnite and moderate town.Today a village is meant only for security and protection to negotiate for some concessions as the means come from selling the lands or converting the lands from basic agriculture. They have learnt lot through films,soap operas and other enetertianment worlds.They r connected globally by cable operators. > > Infact the % r equally spread over in villages but the feuds leading to fall in harmony r slightly different. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Fri, 1/22/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Friday, January 22, 2010, 5:59 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > It is true that only between 1-2% of Indian marriages end up in divorce whereas in USA the rate is 43-54% (google search), but does this take into account certain unique demographic facts about India: > > > > 70% of Indians live in villages > > Nearly all marriages in villages are arranged, I presume. > > > > Does the 1-2% rate represent: > > = Divorce rates in urban India? > > = Divorce rates in all of India (including the presumably Data Diluting effect that the rural data will impose -- presuming that rural marriages tend not to end up in divorces readily!). > > = Other confounding factors ...! > > > > Like Suresh_jee recently mentioned -- percentages are double-edged sword and best utilized intelligently! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@ .> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Shri Suresh babuji, > > > I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm > > > opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed with > > > a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners > > > thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to > > > appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate > > > the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our > > > population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma when > > > it comes to family life. > > > Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life.. > > >  > > > thanks, > > > regards, > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > > > > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > > > > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > > > > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > > > > > Marriage compatabilty > > > ============ ========= = > > > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > > > > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > > > > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > > > > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > > > > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > > > > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > > > > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > > > > > This is very clear from the following: > > > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > > > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > > > > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there.. > > > > > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > > > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > > > > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > > > > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > > > > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > > > > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > > > > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. > > >   > > > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > > > > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents.. > > > > > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > > > > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > > > > > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > > > > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > >  > > > dear shri krishnaji, > > > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > > > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > > > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > > > cliks and they live a happy life. > > >  > > >  > > > regards, > > > k.gopu > > > > > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Rohini Ji, > > > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > > > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > > > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > > > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > Krishnan ji, > > > > > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > > > > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > > > > > RR_, > > > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps toÃÆ'‚ " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > > (For all counseling services) > > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets WhileÃÆ'‚ ÃÆ'‚ Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > ÃÆ'‚ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > > > > > Take care...! > > > > > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage.. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2010 Report Share Posted January 29, 2010 Sir, TRP suggests that it is working other way round i.e. Urbans are learning from Villagers. Serials etc depicting rural life style are in great demand. Rural life style has an edge due to Shock Absorbers in form of joint family system. Infact whole village is like an extended family. Regards Kulbir Bains ________________________________ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani Sun, 24 January, 2010 5:14:56 AM Re: query - bhakut dosha Quite frankly, Krishanan Dada, that is not what I have heard from people living in India. Life in the villages, despite the invasion of cable and TV and radio is still VERY different from how Indians live in even small cities and their practices and marriages etc and values in general. However, since this topic is making some people uncomfortable, I will move away from this. I personally do not care how people in India wish to live or carry on their practices etc. I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ..> wrote: > > Dear Members. > Villages are only extensions to accommodate those big numbers.otherwise the 'culture' potryed is no different from a Metro,urabnite and moderate town.Today a village is meant only for security and protection to negotiate for some concessions as the means come from selling the lands or converting the lands from basic agriculture. They have learnt lot through films,soap operas and other enetertianment worlds.They r connected globally by cable operators. > Infact the % r equally spread over in villages but the feuds leading to fall in harmony r slightly different. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads./in/internetexplorer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Marketing technica have 2 change,as it is question of Do Roti,3 decades of evolution from Ramanand Sagar's serials now to jataras.All folk lores have money.D2H replaced by wire techologies some where .This helped all others to work and relax with all kinds of media 2 eductae them.of course not to that littracy missions succeeded.This is ofcourse,a bhakut dosh. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Fri, 1/29/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote: Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha Friday, January 29, 2010, 5:57 AM  Sir, TRP suggests that it is working other way round i.e. Urbans are learning from Villagers. Serials etc depicting rural life style are in great demand. Rural life style has an edge due to Shock Absorbers in form of joint family system. Infact whole village is like an extended family.  Regards Kulbir Bains ____________ _________ _________ __ rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> Sun, 24 January, 2010 5:14:56 AM Re: query - bhakut dosha  Quite frankly, Krishanan Dada, that is not what I have heard from people living in India. Life in the villages, despite the invasion of cable and TV and radio is still VERY different from how Indians live in even small cities and their practices and marriages etc and values in general. However, since this topic is making some people uncomfortable, I will move away from this. I personally do not care how people in India wish to live or carry on their practices etc. I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings! RR_, , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@. ...> wrote: > > Dear Members. > Villages are only extensions to accommodate those big numbers.otherwise the 'culture' potryed is no different from a Metro,urabnite and moderate town.Today a village is meant only for security and protection to negotiate for some concessions as the means come from selling the lands or converting the lands from basic agriculture. They have learnt lot through films,soap operas and other enetertianment worlds.They r connected globally by cable operators. > Infact the % r equally spread over in villages but the feuds leading to fall in harmony r slightly different. > > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2010 Report Share Posted January 30, 2010 Yes Krishnan Dada! Marketing techniques MUST CHANGE! As also tired commercial signatures! By the HIGH and the LOW!! How and When did COMMERCE enter the TEMPLE? ONE WONDERS!! ;-) MAYBE that is what INTRODUCED or ATTRACTED all this KUFFUFFLE and CRAP here? And made more work for our Prashant jee?? RR_. , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 wrote: > > Marketing technica have 2 change,as it is question of Do Roti,3 decades of evolution from Ramanand Sagar's serials now to jataras.All folk lores have money.D2H replaced by wire techologies some where .This helped all others to work and relax with all kinds of media 2 eductae them.of course not to that littracy missions succeeded.This is ofcourse,a bhakut dosh. > > Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > --- On Fri, 1/29/10, Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb wrote: > > Lalkitab Kb <lalkitabkb > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Friday, January 29, 2010, 5:57 AM >  > > > Sir, > > TRP suggests that it is working other way round i.e. Urbans are learning from Villagers. Serials etc depicting rural life style are in great demand. Rural life style has an edge due to Shock Absorbers in form of joint family system. Infact whole village is like an extended family. > >  Regards > > Kulbir Bains > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > > > > Sun, 24 January, 2010 5:14:56 AM > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > >  > > Quite frankly, Krishanan Dada, that is not what I have heard from people living in India. Life in the villages, despite the invasion of cable and TV and radio is still VERY different from how Indians live in even small cities and their practices and marriages etc and values in general. > > > > However, since this topic is making some people uncomfortable, I will move away from this. I personally do not care how people in India wish to live or carry on their practices etc. I do not wish to hurt anyone's feelings! > > > > RR_, > > > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Members. > > > Villages are only extensions to accommodate those big numbers.otherwise the 'culture' potryed is no different from a Metro,urabnite and moderate town.Today a village is meant only for security and protection to negotiate for some concessions as the means come from selling the lands or converting the lands from basic agriculture. They have learnt lot through films,soap operas and other enetertianment worlds.They r connected globally by cable operators. > > > Infact the % r equally spread over in villages but the feuds leading to fall in harmony r slightly different. > > > > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > > (For all counseling services) > > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > > >  > > > > > > > Your Mail works best with the New Optimized IE8. Get it NOW! http://downloads. / in/internetexplo rer/ > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2010 Report Share Posted January 31, 2010 Dear Gopi Ji & Members, The 2nd house of Kutumbh carries the seed of our family lineage/roots, and this is also the natural house of Taurus, where the moon(karaka 4th house) gets exalted..Home(4th house), is where the heart is, right? And definitely the heart carries the seed of all our emotions and happiness.. While it's true that joint families are almost going extinct, but you can still find a few joint families in some rural parts in India..There are still such families where a few generations of people including- father, mother, sons, bahu, betiya, jehtania, grandchildren all live together UNITED under ONE roof, and eat meals together cooked under ONE chullah/stove for everyone..These family operate on tradition, order, and love..These joint families have certainly carried the traditions, and values that are quickly disappearing from our modern India..Fortunately, these families have also carried our rich heritage, and the foundation of our Sanathan Dharma. Lilly , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > Dear Shri Suresh babuji, > I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm > opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed with > a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners > thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to > appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate > the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our > population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma when > it comes to family life. > Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life. >  > thanks, > regards, > k.gopu > > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag wrote: > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > Marriage compatabilty > ============ ========= = > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > This is very clear from the following: > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there. > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. >   > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals. > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > >  > dear shri krishnaji, > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > cliks and they live a happy life. >  >  > regards, > k.gopu > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > >  > > Rohini Ji, > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets. > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > >  > > Krishnan ji, > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > Take care...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2010 Report Share Posted February 1, 2010 Dear Members, Astrological parameters undoubtedly good but not apply as a ritualistic manner and deny the likes and dislikes of the younger genaration. v have cases where at 17 yrs of promising age,people go in for sevral exploration beyond their maturity.For this parents,who r preoccupied in thir own way devote time to the off spring. Some body was talking of 4th house as heart.It is beyond heart is something of the mind to concentrate on middle stage studies.Infact several stages opine also as house of emotions.These issues need a over all assessment to find how in these days of technology orintation,jyotish can help people to work for their own future.A LL OF US HAVE KARMAS OF PAST.Is it not the end of story, Then how v can over come this remorse singly,jointly and taking Almighty into confidence. So any dosha,Bhakuta ,grahan dosha ,kala sarpa doshaand other those v r scared of like of to mention like papakrtari and kendradhipadhi dosha etc.In a way these r strength provided v r sure of our mind or moon or sun or lagna..certainly one of them is certainly is in favour for the native to advance.it is here our belief jotish that it can help and deliver best is assured, let's take the free will and allow us to take chance and try with an intention to achieve.Let all things find us alone and making attempts repeatedly to make our mind/intention strong.v r certainly near toachievement eventhough stars at birth are not kind.Gochara tansit in a moment might support.so v need to be ready for ever to take chances not loosing or distrubing 4th house. Vattem Krishnan Cyber Jyotish Services(For all counseling services)Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma --- On Sat, 1/30/10, Lilly <tigresslilly2005 wrote: Lilly <tigresslilly2005 Re: query - bhakut dosha Saturday, January 30, 2010, 6:52 PM  Dear Gopi Ji & Members, The 2nd house of Kutumbh carries the seed of our family lineage/roots, and this is also the natural house of Taurus, where the moon(karaka 4th house) gets exalted..Home( 4th house), is where the heart is, right? And definitely the heart carries the seed of all our emotions and happiness.. While it's true that joint families are almost going extinct, but you can still find a few joint families in some rural parts in India..There are still such families where a few generations of people including- father, mother, sons, bahu, betiya, jehtania, grandchildren all live together UNITED under ONE roof, and eat meals together cooked under ONE chullah/stove for everyone..These family operate on tradition, order, and love..These joint families have certainly carried the traditions, and values that are quickly disappearing from our modern India..Fortunately, these families have also carried our rich heritage, and the foundation of our Sanathan Dharma. Lilly , K Gopu <kgopu_24@.. .> wrote: > > Dear Shri Suresh babuji, > I fully agree with ur extensive explanation. I am still of the firm > opinion that we Indian couples (to some extent asians) are blessed with > a rich culture of respecting marriage and living as good partners > thro the life. Maybe our urban population (majority) seem to > appreciate the western approach of marriage ie to terminate > the marriage as and when they like. But vast majority of our > population are still adhering to the priniciples of dharma when > it comes to family life. > Astrological matching parameters do help in having a blessed marital life. >  > thanks, > regards, > k.gopu > > > > --- On Thu, 1/21/10, Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> wrote: > > > Suresh Babu.A.G <sureshbabuag@ ...> > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Thursday, January 21, 2010, 5:46 PM > > >  > > > > Dear Gopu ji & others, > > Astrology cannot be understood by critiscising anything & everything and writing blogs or stories and creating more confusions than good. A person goes to an astrologer or a forum like this is only to get a clear direction that may help him in his already confused state. riddles or directionless statements shall only confuse them further. > > Astrology is a vast science and this world is huge. No one person need to obccessed with the responcibilty of correcting each and every one. Thos who are realy serious will find out themselves.   > > Real education is not taught or spoon fed but painfully acheived. > > Marriage compatabilty > ============ ========= = > Each society the world over creates somesorts of system to retain a common nature due to values they harbor. > > Indian systems are not different. Since Astrology was highly developed, It was used in the case of Marriages as well. Unless we understand the need for system, the institution of marriage concept we will not have a real idea about why they are formed. > > Melapak, bhakut, dasavidha porutham and numerous such factors were dicated in order to safe guard this institution. > > A marriage is never all about happiness. Happiness is a perception and a state of mind that could attained or destroyed by the self. > > These above astrological dictoms were never intended to create happiness but prepare the society and safe guard it from as many chaos as could be permissable. > > The marriage essentialy indicates that two persons are prepared to live together through the times of happiness & sorrow and death shall only tear them apart. This is what they take vowe about but forget with a short span of time when sorrow strikes. > > These astrological system ensures to some extent that they shall hold on together during these thick & thin times in the greater concept of society. Not that there will only be happiness in their lives. But to see whether there is such a strong bondage that won't let go even during a cyclone. As a side dish some indicates also ensures / suggests happiness / prosperity etc. > > This is very clear from the following: > " yasyaam manah samasaktam taameva vivahel budhah > sarvaanuguNabhangep i manoguNataadhikaa " > > The intelligent person should always marry a girl who is most attracted to him (deep love?). The compatbility of mind (manoguNa) is the most relevant even if all the other compatabilities are not there. > > There a few factors to be well understood here. > A) the usage of the word " budhah "  - intelligent : intelligence is a factors that is ruled by the brain than heart or emotions. this means a person of calculative calibre and yet attracted to each other mentaly - no emotionaly. As we know emotions are a state of mind ruled by moon a chara griha - ever changing & less controlable. > > It is only the intelligence that will hold you on track when emotions try to take over and push you on the side. > > b) " aashakti " - attraction. This attraction is not physical but more of an itricate nature but intelligent enough to understand that it is not just a passing fiction of mind. > > C) monoGuna - is the preparation of the two minds that they shall hold on together whether their life leads to hell or heaven. This is were most loos. They will be together as long as the path is full of rosses and gets off the bus the moment they see a gutter. And this exactly what any society tries to avoid. > > In normal world scenarios, most mistake emotional attraction for intelligent attraction and soon realises their mistake and gets out of the bondage sooner than expected. > > The adherence level to the values in life / marriage or criterias may differ from society the world over. However the core concept remains the same. >   > Indian society still lays more importance to the adherance to those values in their society. > > Marriage is always arranged whether it is by the self or by the parents. > > Astrology only helps in the preparation and helps each society to stay on path together so that their members shall not berserk like wild animals.. > > But however if it is the animal instincts that a society loves to have, then there is not use of such system or astrology. > >  A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > K Gopu <kgopu_24 (AT) (DOT) co.uk> > > Thu, January 21, 2010 11:28:33 AM > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > >  > dear shri krishnaji, > Very nicely explained. If there is mental compatability all the negative > factors of the chart gets reduced and the couple' s marital life is > harmonious. Sometimes marriages not arranged by parents also > cliks and they live a happy life. >  >  > regards, > k.gopu > > --- On Wed, 1/20/10, Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > wrote: > > Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99 > > Re: Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 12:01 PM > >  > > Rohini Ji, > Marraige as per conventions and as per socital limitations is one and only kind of arrangements between hetero sexuals with the sole aim of sharing of concerns,live togther happily and promote progeny by fulfilling desires. > Marriaged if arranged(not out of one's own choice) can last as long if the two individuals feel comfortable able to have same wave length.Mutual respect of feelings,comforts and have prominence and respect.When ever these basics(of any marraige) are flouted,they lead to collapse.This comes out of discord ,loss of trust and even conceit. > As long as these basics are born in mind by the two people,all doshas get cancelled and harmony prevails.if any one at any time ignores,disrespects ,toys with ego,they are bound to fall through.Every thing has a limit.This limit is the Lakshmana Rekha.when not crossed,it is a life full of duets.. > Considering the social situations ,Marriage is an arrangement between two persons.Today the geneder basis also is not a matter.In that context arranged arrangements can last as long the two individuals would like to continue to have.Their longevity can be anything depending the emotional quotient. > > Vattem Krishnan > Cyber Jyotish Services > (For all counseling services) > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma >  > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> wrote: > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ hotmail.com> > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 10:04 PM > >  > > Krishnan ji, > > Seriously -- how long do we think, ARRANGED MARRIAGES are going to last in Human Society? I mean the entire world, of course! > > Not a challenge, but just something to take a deep breath and realistically ponder about! > > RR_, > > , Vattem Krishnan <bursar_99@ ..> wrote: > > > > Dear Members, > > Some issues like this were widely discussed and opined .v r in favour or against for such doshas.probably the decison to atke the firm view is left to the one who has to finally decide good or bad. > > Aditi was informed of theory as put in texts and it;s practical impct of good and bad has lot of vascillation from true to false. > > V have done our things by giving theoritical implications and left to the native to have good faith and all consequences to count but not to falme the old version nor the one who judgesd and made a positive suggestion. > > The bhakoota dosha is just coined,perhaps to " prevent " some thing may happen.In fact all doshas have some base in our texts.Some tool courage and challenged and r happy and few were also quarrentined for their revolt against Dharam/Sastras or what ever. > > This also reminds me a recent query dealing with marriage problem and in which,the girls parents came up with a stern attitude that astrologically this relationship acn not end up in meaning marraige. > > > > > > Vattem Krishnan > > Cyber Jyotish Services > > (For all counseling services) > > Dr.B.V.Raman " Fools Obey Planets While  Wisemen Can Control Them " > > Planets are neutral Controllers of Mans Karma > >  > > > > --- On Tue, 1/19/10, rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > rohinicrystal <jyotish_vani@ ...> > > Re: query - bhakut dosha > > > > Tuesday, January 19, 2010, 9:27 PM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Dear Aditi, > > > > Jyotish is a very 'empirical' subject that also has a rather HEAVY didactic end! If you take up any traditional, classical text on Jyotish, you will find that it is choc-full of rules and yogas and so on, but other than one or two text-books (out of the few dozens that you hear of on Jyotish fora -- BPHS, Vrihajjataka, Phaladeepika, Deve Keralam, Uttarkalamrita, ad infinitud... ) NO EXAMPLES are provided! One can only deduce that the 'workbooks' with examples and so on somehow miraculously got destroyed or were only provided in Gurukool type settings (after one enrolled in the academy which was not easy from what I hear!). > > > > Before you make a decision that could affect human lives, whether it is Bhakoot or NBRY -- please make sure that you follow-up the theory with examples! Or else you would end up blaming Jyotish! > > > > Also, please remember: One robin does not signal the spring and one locust (TIDDA) does not warn of a famine! > > > > Take care...! > > > > Rohiniranjan > > > > , aditi budhiraja <aditi_budhiraja@ ....> wrote: > > > > > > Hello/ Namaste, > > > > > > Please could all the respected astrologers make me understand what is bhakut dosha? > > > > > > Also, how dangerous it is when considered from the match making point of view? > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > Aditi Budhiraja > > > > > > > > > The INTERNET now has a personality. YOURS! See your Homepage. http://in.. com/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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