is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people fool

[Guest guest]

respected gurujans,

 

i am sorry to say, but it seems astrology is just an art for making people fool

.. AS i have visited at least 150 astrologers and even given my problem at

various sites, but of no avail. My son Chirag was kidnapped on 17/8/2008,5.10 pm

and after that i have enquired many renowed astrologersbut of no avial.

 

every other astrologers reaches at different conclusion by the same janamkundli,

if it is a science then every astrologers should reach at same conclusion, like

in mathematics 2+2 is always 4 whereever you go.

I again gives details of my son:

Name: Chirag

dob 23/8/1991

tob 10.39 am

pob delhi

 

can any astrolger tell with certainty that what has/will happen

 

i m sorry for harsh words but it seems so.

[Guest guest]

dear sureshji

 

firstly i appreciate your positive faith in astrology without which you would

not have posted yet another query seeking guidance even after not hearing a

realistic prediction specific to your missing son from 150 odd astrologers.

 

however, since you used the word kidnapped, kindly advise what is he studying

and from where he was kidnapped and who saw him kidnapped. since we dont know

whether he is missed, left on his own, not traceable or kidnapped, kindly give

this much details as per your last available information and then we use

astrology as well as clairvoyance and guide you suitably.

 

but please bear in mind that we read and say something in this group freely

based on our limited knowledge and capacities and you are at liberty to trash it

if you find it wrong or appreciate it if you find it right, for it is not a paid

suggestion from accenture consulting or boston consulting group.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, " sureshkhandelwal "

<sureshkhandelwal wrote:

>

> respected gurujans,

>

> i am sorry to say, but it seems astrology is just an art for making people

fool . AS i have visited at least 150 astrologers and even given my problem at

various sites, but of no avail. My son Chirag was kidnapped on 17/8/2008,5.10 pm

and after that i have enquired many renowed astrologersbut of no avial.

>

> every other astrologers reaches at different conclusion by the same

janamkundli, if it is a science then every astrologers should reach at same

conclusion, like in mathematics 2+2 is always 4 whereever you go.

> I again gives details of my son:

> Name: Chirag

> dob 23/8/1991

> tob 10.39 am

> pob delhi

>

> can any astrolger tell with certainty that what has/will happen

>

> i m sorry for harsh words but it seems so.

>

[Guest guest]

Namasthe

 

I can understnd your anguish but that is not all. You had posted the same

message earlier and I had specificaly stated that, such cases are best dealt

using a prasna. Unfortunately, since this is of atmost importance, prasna has to

taken with you in front of the astrologer although we can try doing it, but may

not be very succesfull. As the case is either you did not understand what I had

written, or it is simply that the astrologers you visited where not competant

enough to conduct such a prasna. It is extremly difficult to surmise anything

valid enough to be accurate from Horoscope alone in such cases.

 

You also did not reveal complete truth about the incidence in the first place.

which means you where only trying to test the persons who otherwise are very

busy either answering a lot of queries or with their own work. Honestly, you

will gain nothing by it. In fact, It is specificaly stated that if some one

tries to test the knowledge, a learned astrologer should keep his mouth shut.

 

After that you posted another message for your financial difficulties. So what

is important to you? your own financial difficulties or your son?.

 

You later said your son was kidnapped and ransom money was asked, but did not

reveal whether you paid it or not. Normally, in such cases, the case is closed

within a few days - either the party shall pay the amount and their kith back or

the kidpaners either let go or kill the person thay have. in some cases people

get back through the intervention of police. But it rarely takes this long to

know the whereabouts after the kidnapers ask for ransom. Hence, something is

very fishy about the case. Normaly kidnapers target only rich people and you

have posted a message for financial difficulty?.

 

In my message I had given all the positive & negative points in the horoscope.

There are some thing we do not fully reveal for the sake of sanctity.

 

If you cannot find a competent astrologer in north India, you visit either

tamilnadu or kerala. Visit some one who is a traditional astrologer and not one

famous through internet or through heavy advertisements.

 

if you go to 5 doctors complaining about stomach pain they might give 5

different reasons. will you say that medical theory is wrong. Astrology has been

evolved for the past thousand of years back to help people in distress. If you

want to believe that it is foolish, you are welcome, but that wont hurt anyone

here.

 

but for starters be honest with yourself before blaming astrology & astrologers.

 

I am realy sorry I had to write like this. But remember that those in these

forums are doing this work only to help others out of their own interest and not

for making money. in fact they gain nothing.

 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " sureshkhandelwal "

<sureshkhandelwal wrote:

>

> respected gurujans,

>

> i am sorry to say, but it seems astrology is just an art for making people

fool . AS i have visited at least 150 astrologers and even given my problem at

various sites, but of no avail. My son Chirag was kidnapped on 17/8/2008,5.10 pm

and after that i have enquired many renowed astrologersbut of no avial.

>

> every other astrologers reaches at different conclusion by the same

janamkundli, if it is a science then every astrologers should reach at same

conclusion, like in mathematics 2+2 is always 4 whereever you go.

> I again gives details of my son:

> Name: Chirag

> dob 23/8/1991

> tob 10.39 am

> pob delhi

>

> can any astrolger tell with certainty that what has/will happen

>

> i m sorry for harsh words but it seems so.

>

[Guest guest]

Respected All

Though always believed astrology as my grand mother, grand fathers were well

known astrologer of their times. I too learned the same but did not adopt it as

profession.

 

But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science of hit

and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what none of

them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some to

fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact  No one

in this world can predict the future. No one. 

 

Let me be precise, My date of birth is 25 sept 1966 time 19.55 , place of birth

Una H.P, India, I am running saturn since  apr. 2007. I immigrated to canada on

25th december 2007. Since long i asked so many astoroger inculding JR, to let me

know either this dasha was good for me or not for my career. I got always

confusng double sided reply. No specfic answer. Any ways no one told even hinted

about the accident i recently met. Even i could not see any reason for this. I

challenge all the astrologers let alone any prediction just see how this

happened,. I met accident at work place. Three fingers  of left hand crushed in

machine. This is not a small incident in which person looses the part of body. I

am going to be operated on 30 march in toronto to cut fingers off as badly

crushed- no blood supply to fingers. I was asking astologers to see the chance

of getting job in my IT field. But no one could even hint that this would

happen.

 

I CALLENGE ALL THE ASTROGERS OF ALL PRACTICES TO JUST JUSTIFY THIS MIS-HAPPENING

IN ASTROLOGY.  BUT I KNOW NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

 

MY HOROSCOPE IS ACCURATE AND NO NEED TO SAY MAY BE THIS WRONGLY CALCULATED.

  

 sorry for harsh words,

 

Narinder Sharma 5, Rowntree Road Etobicoke, Toronto    

 

--- On Sun, 29/3/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people fool

 

Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 12:09 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear sureshji

 

 

 

firstly i appreciate your positive faith in astrology without which you would

not have posted yet another query seeking guidance even after not hearing a

realistic prediction specific to your missing son from 150 odd astrologers.

 

 

 

however, since you used the word kidnapped, kindly advise what is he studying

and from where he was kidnapped and who saw him kidnapped. since we dont know

whether he is missed, left on his own, not traceable or kidnapped, kindly give

this much details as per your last available information and then we use

astrology as well as clairvoyance and guide you suitably.

 

 

 

but please bear in mind that we read and say something in this group freely

based on our limited knowledge and capacities and you are at liberty to trash it

if you find it wrong or appreciate it if you find it right, for it is not a paid

suggestion from accenture consulting or boston consulting group.

 

 

 

with best wishes and blessings

 

pandit arjun

 

www.rudraksharemedy .com

 

 

 

, " sureshkhandelwal " <sureshkhandelwal@

....> wrote:

 

>

 

> respected gurujans,

 

>

 

> i am sorry to say, but it seems astrology is just an art for making people

fool . AS i have visited at least 150 astrologers and even given my problem at

various sites, but of no avail. My son Chirag was kidnapped on 17/8/2008,5. 10

pm and after that i have enquired many renowed astrologersbut of no avial.

 

>

 

> every other astrologers reaches at different conclusion by the same

janamkundli, if it is a science then every astrologers should reach at same

conclusion, like in mathematics 2+2 is always 4 whereever you go.

 

> I again gives details of my son:

 

> Name: Chirag

 

> dob 23/8/1991

 

> tob 10.39 am

 

> pob delhi

 

>

 

> can any astrolger tell with certainty that what has/will happen

 

>

 

> i m sorry for harsh words but it seems so.

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

dear Suresh ji,

No doubt your problem is certainly a pathetic to be considered as genuine to

extend service and find a way out for the problem.

As Suresh ji has mentioned it is by nashta jatak approach some way out was

always found from times immemorial.Positive results in several case have also

been reported

and it is their luck and fortune Almighty is kind enough to get back their

wards/children aftre missing/lost.

Infact we have a case in our family a girl was similarly lost /kidnapped but

could be loacated and the girl is now happily married and settled.Infact you

should consider also their experience when you make some observations in your

present conditions.In this kind of sitution cooperation in their own has to be

given and certainly not misguidance.In this direction Astrology /jyotish is not

fake to be blamedwhen incidence like this happen unfortunately,we have to have

an introspection of ourselves and find ways of hope to continue the life to make

things better.

Astrologers might have exploited as with commercial intentions.In the market,you

meet all kinds of people.

in this platform/group,certainly no body has intentions to misguide as we all

are sure that this science is indicative of events that are likely to

happen.certainly this includes good and bad.Remedies too are suggested to

overcome bad pahse of life.In your case,we still hope the boy lost will be found

out.we do not know to say kidnap or otherwise.we do not comment.we continue to

wish and pray for recovery of boy

vrkrishnan

--- On Sat, 3/28/09, sureshkhandelwal <sureshkhandelwal wrote:

 

sureshkhandelwal <sureshkhandelwal

is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people fool

 

Saturday, March 28, 2009, 9:56 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

respected gurujans,

 

i am sorry to say, but it seems astrology is just an art for making people fool

.. AS i have visited at least 150 astrologers and even given my problem at

various sites, but of no avail. My son Chirag was kidnapped on 17/8/2008,5. 10

pm and after that i have enquired many renowed astrologersbut of no avial.

 

every other astrologers reaches at different conclusion by the same janamkundli,

if it is a science then every astrologers should reach at same conclusion, like

in mathematics 2+2 is always 4 whereever you go.

I again gives details of my son:

Name: Chirag

dob 23/8/1991

tob 10.39 am

pob delhi

 

can any astrolger tell with certainty that what has/will happen

 

i m sorry for harsh words but it seems so.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Narinder ji,

very sorry to know the mishap and the extent of damage.we were not clear from

your mail whether you ahve asked any body before incident took place,the kind of

troubles and hardships that took place in your life.we are trying to find the

issue of life in genaral in adective way and get back to you

regards

vrkrishnan

PS:Perhaps challeneges of this kind are not for Astrology please

I CALLENGE ALL THE ASTROGERS OF ALL PRACTICES TO JUST JUSTIFY THIS MIS-HAPPENING

IN ASTROLOGY.  BUT I KNOW NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 3/28/09, narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro wrote:

 

narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro

Re: Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people fool

 

Saturday, March 28, 2009, 9:15 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Respected All

Though always believed astrology as my grand mother, grand fathers were well

known astrologer of their times. I too learned the same but did not adopt it as

profession.

 

But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science of hit

and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what none of

them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some to

fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact  No one

in this world can predict the future. No one. 

 

Let me be precise, My date of birth is 25 sept 1966 time 19.55 , place of birth

Una H.P, India, I am running saturn since  apr. 2007. I immigrated to canada on

25th december 2007. Since long i asked so many astoroger inculding JR, to let me

know either this dasha was good for me or not for my career. I got always

confusng double sided reply. No specfic answer. Any ways no one told even hinted

about the accident i recently met. Even i could not see any reason for this. I

challenge all the astrologers let alone any prediction just see how this

happened,. I met accident at work place. Three fingers  of left hand crushed in

machine. This is not a small incident in which person looses the part of body. I

am going to be operated on 30 march in toronto to cut fingers off as badly

crushed- no blood supply to fingers. I was asking astologers to see the chance

of getting job in my IT field. But no one could even hint that this would

happen.

 

I CALLENGE ALL THE ASTROGERS OF ALL PRACTICES TO JUST JUSTIFY THIS MIS-HAPPENING

IN ASTROLOGY.  BUT I KNOW NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

 

MY HOROSCOPE IS ACCURATE AND NO NEED TO SAY MAY BE THIS WRONGLY CALCULATED.

  

 sorry for harsh words,

 

Narinder Sharma 5, Rowntree Road Etobicoke, Toronto    

 

--- On Sun, 29/3/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >

Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people fool

 

Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 12:09 AM

 

dear sureshji

 

firstly i appreciate your positive faith in astrology without which you would

not have posted yet another query seeking guidance even after not hearing a

realistic prediction specific to your missing son from 150 odd astrologers.

 

however, since you used the word kidnapped, kindly advise what is he studying

and from where he was kidnapped and who saw him kidnapped. since we dont know

whether he is missed, left on his own, not traceable or kidnapped, kindly give

this much details as per your last available information and then we use

astrology as well as clairvoyance and guide you suitably.

 

but please bear in mind that we read and say something in this group freely

based on our limited knowledge and capacities and you are at liberty to trash it

if you find it wrong or appreciate it if you find it right, for it is not a paid

suggestion from accenture consulting or boston consulting group.

 

with best wishes and blessings

 

pandit arjun

 

www.rudraksharemedy .com

 

, " sureshkhandelwal " <sureshkhandelwal@

....> wrote:

 

>

 

> respected gurujans,

 

>

 

> i am sorry to say, but it seems astrology is just an art for making people

fool . AS i have visited at least 150 astrologers and even given my problem at

various sites, but of no avail. My son Chirag was kidnapped on 17/8/2008,5. 10

pm and after that i have enquired many renowed astrologersbut of no avial.

 

>

 

> every other astrologers reaches at different conclusion by the same

janamkundli, if it is a science then every astrologers should reach at same

conclusion, like in mathematics 2+2 is always 4 whereever you go.

 

> I again gives details of my son:

 

> Name: Chirag

 

> dob 23/8/1991

 

> tob 10.39 am

 

> pob delhi

 

>

 

> can any astrolger tell with certainty that what has/will happen

 

>

 

> i m sorry for harsh words but it seems so.

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Namasthe

 

You have challenged not the astrologers, But a whole lineage of great sages who

have provided this science for the welfare of the mankind, including your own

ancestors who no doubt were great & pious people (9th lord Jupiter exalted).

Equally there is no doubt about your own twisted & conceited (I am sure I may

use this word) mental makeup due to the neechaavastha of Lagna lord mars & Vakra

avastha of Chandra lagna lord.

 

Here are the concrete indications for your predicament:

 

Saturn in the 3rd Nidhana Sthana by itself severe accidents leading to deaths

(Apa mrithyu) . Jupiter's aspect can only be the reason for preventing such an

event. Further Gulika is in your 2nd (Maraka sthana) aspected by retrograde

(Vakri) Saturn , Karaka for death & destruction.

 

Indrachapam : in the 7th of moon : Anga vaikalya of eye, ears , hand , legs

Parivesha : 9th of lagna :disrespectfull towards elders & gurus

Parivesha : 12th of moon : chronic ailments that stays for a long time

Vyatipada : 6th of moon : Griha chidra

 

Saturn retrograde aspects the gemini rasi : rasi that indicates shoulders, hands

etc of kala purusha.

 

Mars neecha aspecting the Moon : operations, Sastra aghatha: jupiters

association with mars & aspecting saturn does not nullify the effect only helps

you to survive.

Lagna Lord in Neecha rasi

 

Sarvartha Chinthamani : Deha Vaikalyam Malefics in 12th + 12th lord along with

saturn , Rahu & Gulika

 

Sambhu Hora Ear - deafness Mercury in 6th aspected by Saturn

 

Sarvartha Chinthamani from moon Hands severed Saturn + Jupiter in the 3rd

 

Shambhu Hora Gulika in the 2nd injury or ulcer of Face / shoulder / eye Malefic

in 2nd

Sarvatha chinthamani from lagna - own house : intestines Mercury in 6th

 

Sarvartha Chinthamani from moon : Mental derangement Jupiter in Lagna + Mars in

7th

Since Jupiter is Ucha it definitely prevents full scale mental derangement but

indicates some sort of twisted attitudes, particularly since the lagna lord &

4th lord from moon (Manasthana) is debilated.

 

this is further shown in

Sarvartha chintamani Mental derangement Sun + Moon in Trikona with the

rasiadhipathy Saturn Vakri & aspecting the Sun

 

Jatakadesha marga Mental Unhappiness ? Very Strong Moon aspecting Very weak

Lagna Lord + Birth in shukla paksha

 

Veerasimhavaloka Pandu roga: Moon in Leo navamsa

 

Sarvartha Chinthamani : phlegm & vaatha (Sleshma vaatha) Mercury in the 6th

aspected by malefic & in malefic navamsa

 

Jataka parijatham : pitha roga sun in 6th along with or aspected by malefics

 

Veerasimhavaloka : Rakta Pitha Mars in Cancer

 

Sarvartha Chintamani: Sides Sun in 6th

 

Veerasimhavaloka : Ulcers - Vrina roga Mars + moon + jupiter

 

Shambhu Hora: Urinary disorders (gleet / diabetes / gonorrhea etc) Mars & saturn

in 10th or aspect 10th

 

You will find many indications pertaining to your horoscope. But most are

nullified or reduced to minimum effects due to strong aspect of Jupiter & a

strong Moon (Pakasha bala) in the 10th. I agree that a quick analysis may not

reveal the hidden issues in a horoscope & hence difficult to predict

particularly when exhalted jupiter is in kendra of lagna & moon. " Laksham doshe

guru hanti " .

 

 

 

Sun in the 6th along with 6th lord aspected by Saturn is a strong indictor pitru

sapa. The only factor that saved you & will continue to do so is the immence

amount of Punya attained by them which is with you ( Jupiter in the labha sthana

of Sun –pitru karaka ) and aspecting the Chandra lagna lord Saturn & who is

along with the neecha lagna lord).

 

Both your lagna & chandra are chara rasi with the lagna in chara rasi & chandra

lagna lord saturn in ubhaya rasi. No doubt why you migrated to a foreign land in

the dasa of the despositor of moon. And add to the fact that dasa is that of the

saturn (Vakri) in the Nidhana sthana.

 

I personally bow my head to those great souls who in spite of all the

shortcomings of their young child has chosen to protect him.

 

Hence, It would be beneficial for you to go back to your astrology books & dig

deep into them & pray sincerely with all your heart for the grace and

forgiveness of your ancestors. I cannot emphasize enough on how you can repay

that debt.

 

 

A.G.Suresh Babu Shenoy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro

wrote:

>

> Respected All

> Though always believed astrology as my grand mother, grand fathers were well

known astrologer of their times. I too learned the same but did not adopt it as

profession.

>

> But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science of

hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what none of

them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some to

fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact  No one

in this world can predict the future. No one. 

>

> Let me be precise, My date of birth is 25 sept 1966 time 19.55 , place of

birth Una H.P, India, I am running saturn since  apr. 2007. I immigrated to

canada on 25th december 2007. Since long i asked so many astoroger inculding JR,

to let me know either this dasha was good for me or not for my career. I got

always confusng double sided reply. No specfic answer. Any ways no one told even

hinted about the accident i recently met. Even i could not see any reason for

this. I challenge all the astrologers let alone any prediction just see how this

happened,. I met accident at work place. Three fingers  of left hand crushed in

machine. This is not a small incident in which person looses the part of body. I

am going to be operated on 30 march in toronto to cut fingers off as badly

crushed- no blood supply to fingers. I was asking astologers to see the chance

of getting job in my IT field. But no one could even hint that this would

happen.

>

> I CALLENGE ALL THE ASTROGERS OF ALL PRACTICES TO JUST JUSTIFY THIS

MIS-HAPPENING IN ASTROLOGY.  BUT I KNOW NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

>

> MY HOROSCOPE IS ACCURATE AND NO NEED TO SAY MAY BE THIS WRONGLY CALCULATED.

>   

>  sorry for harsh words,

>

> Narinder Sharma 5, Rowntree Road Etobicoke, Toronto    

>

> --- On Sun, 29/3/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

> Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people fool

>

> Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 12:09 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

dear sureshji

>

>

>

> firstly i appreciate your positive faith in astrology without which you would

not have posted yet another query seeking guidance even after not hearing a

realistic prediction specific to your missing son from 150 odd astrologers.

>

>

>

> however, since you used the word kidnapped, kindly advise what is he studying

and from where he was kidnapped and who saw him kidnapped. since we dont know

whether he is missed, left on his own, not traceable or kidnapped, kindly give

this much details as per your last available information and then we use

astrology as well as clairvoyance and guide you suitably.

>

>

>

> but please bear in mind that we read and say something in this group freely

based on our limited knowledge and capacities and you are at liberty to trash it

if you find it wrong or appreciate it if you find it right, for it is not a paid

suggestion from accenture consulting or boston consulting group.

>

>

>

> with best wishes and blessings

>

> pandit arjun

>

> www.rudraksharemedy .com

>

>

>

> , " sureshkhandelwal "

<sureshkhandelwal@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > respected gurujans,

>

> >

>

> > i am sorry to say, but it seems astrology is just an art for making people

fool . AS i have visited at least 150 astrologers and even given my problem at

various sites, but of no avail. My son Chirag was kidnapped on 17/8/2008,5. 10

pm and after that i have enquired many renowed astrologersbut of no avial.

>

> >

>

> > every other astrologers reaches at different conclusion by the same

janamkundli, if it is a science then every astrologers should reach at same

conclusion, like in mathematics 2+2 is always 4 whereever you go.

>

> > I again gives details of my son:

>

> > Name: Chirag

>

> > dob 23/8/1991

>

> > tob 10.39 am

>

> > pob delhi

>

> >

>

> > can any astrolger tell with certainty that what has/will happen

>

> >

>

> > i m sorry for harsh words but it seems so.

>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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                                    ll HARE RAM ll  

Dear Mr.Narinder,

" But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science of

hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what none of

them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some to

fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact  No

one in this world can predict the future. No one. "  

 

While i am an astrologer even though i am completely agreed with your views.Just

to read few books one astrologer declares himself " Jyotish Vishaarad " and starts

giving predictions with full of authority.All most all the " Upaadhis " can be

bought in the market just giving some donation. " Saadhnaa " or " Guru-Shishya

Parampara " has been finished.You will be surprised that i started this divine

learning under the guidance of three Gurus in 1987 but i could not arrange the

dare to predict before 2003.I had a note book of " Capital " so called copy these

days and placed on the floor in front of Guru ji,they tested weekly and punished

with sticks if we told wrong about Nakshatra or yoga etc.I observed, there was a

practice too these days that the querent went to an astrologer on his birth day

or on the new year day and asked him only for coming year only about incidents

and their remedies and it was easier for astrologer to explain.No one astrologer

can predict

for life long in one time.One Bhava has around hundred of questions.So how can

one astrologer say about the tweleve Bhava's detailed in one time.Further one

horoscope takes around two hours for reading before giving any prediction.So it

is not possible too for one to take such time on net.

Now about you in very much brief, Saturn Mahadasa is not favorable at all as it

has extreme enemity with ascendant lord Mars.It is the lord of 6th to 6th=11th

house means accidents + income mainly + lord of 10th house too the house of

Karma placed in 12th house Aakaash Tava, abroad & hospital.So you had to

immigrate in the said period.11th house also belong to left hand and so you had

to face such accident in MD & AD of Saturn and PD of Mercury that is lord of 6th

melafic house and aspecting such Saturn placed in own house alongwith Sun.

 

God bless

Shashi Shekhar " shaaswat "

 

Shashi S.Sharma

 

[Vedic Astrologer & Gems Advisor]

[Member-Planetary Gemologists Association,Bangkok,Thailand]

www.freewebs.com/astroremedies,Blog:www.shaaswatjyotish.blogspot.com

Delhi,Cell-09818310075, E-mail: polite_astro

[Private consultation is chargeable.Please contact me

in shaaswat.jyotish ]

 

 

 

 

Live and Let Live  

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 3/29/09, narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro wrote:

 

narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro

Re: Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people fool

 

Sunday, March 29, 2009, 6:45 AM

 

Respected All

Though always believed astrology as my grand mother, grand fathers were well

known astrologer of their times. I too learned the same but did not adopt it as

profession.

 

But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science of

hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what none of

them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some to

fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact  No

one in this world can predict the future. No one. 

 

Let me be precise, My date of birth is 25 sept 1966 time 19.55 , place of birth

Una H.P, India, I am running saturn since  apr. 2007. I immigrated to canada on

25th december 2007. Since long i asked so many astoroger inculding JR, to let me

know either this dasha was good for me or not for my career. I got always

confusng double sided reply. No specfic answer. Any ways no one told even hinted

about the accident i recently met. Even i could not see any reason for this. I

challenge all the astrologers let alone any prediction just see how this

happened,. I met accident at work place. Three fingers  of left hand crushed in

machine. This is not a small incident in which person looses the part of body. I

am going to be operated on 30 march in toronto to cut fingers off as badly

crushed- no blood supply to fingers. I was asking astologers to see the chance

of getting job in my IT field. But no one could even hint that this would

happen.

 

I CALLENGE ALL THE ASTROGERS OF ALL PRACTICES TO JUST JUSTIFY THIS

MIS-HAPPENING IN ASTROLOGY.  BUT I KNOW NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

 

MY HOROSCOPE IS ACCURATE AND NO NEED TO SAY MAY BE THIS WRONGLY CALCULATED.

  

 sorry for harsh words,

 

Narinder Sharma 5, Rowntree Road Etobicoke, Toronto    

 

--- On Sun, 29/3/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

 

panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people fool

 

Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 12:09 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

dear sureshji

 

 

 

firstly i appreciate your positive faith in astrology without which you would

not have posted yet another query seeking guidance even after not hearing a

realistic prediction specific to your missing son from 150 odd astrologers.

 

 

 

however, since you used the word kidnapped, kindly advise what is he studying

and from where he was kidnapped and who saw him kidnapped. since we dont know

whether he is missed, left on his own, not traceable or kidnapped, kindly give

this much details as per your last available information and then we use

astrology as well as clairvoyance and guide you suitably.

 

 

 

but please bear in mind that we read and say something in this group freely

based on our limited knowledge and capacities and you are at liberty to trash it

if you find it wrong or appreciate it if you find it right, for it is not a paid

suggestion from accenture consulting or boston consulting group.

 

 

 

with best wishes and blessings

 

pandit arjun

 

www.rudraksharemedy .com

 

 

 

, " sureshkhandelwal "

<sureshkhandelwal@ ...> wrote:

 

>

 

> respected gurujans,

 

>

 

> i am sorry to say, but it seems astrology is just an art for making people

fool . AS i have visited at least 150 astrologers and even given my problem at

various sites, but of no avail. My son Chirag was kidnapped on 17/8/2008,5. 10

pm and after that i have enquired many renowed astrologersbut of no avial.

 

>

 

> every other astrologers reaches at different conclusion by the same

janamkundli, if it is a science then every astrologers should reach at same

conclusion, like in mathematics 2+2 is always 4 whereever you go.

 

> I again gives details of my son:

 

> Name: Chirag

 

> dob 23/8/1991

 

> tob 10.39 am

 

> pob delhi

 

>

 

> can any astrolger tell with certainty that what has/will happen

 

>

 

> i m sorry for harsh words but it seems so.

 

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Dear Narinder,

What you say is really interesting and right.

Although Astrology is science or art of predictions of future events but it is

really true that prediction is most difficult and many times go wrong. And many

many astrologers are just cheating very cleverely.

And many who try to see things go for broad analysis whether time running is

good or bad etc, and which planet causing bad or good happenings etc.

Post analysis is easy to do as you can easily find some bad things in placement

or navamsa or sub or dasa bhukti etc

Injury to fingers is not easily seen in your chart.

As I see your chart Aries lagna as Mars is 8th and 1st house is prone to

injuries.

Star lord and sublord Venus and Jupiter as sub sub makes sure that you are saved

from bad accidents.

Coming to your Sat dasa it is in 12th house in the star of Jupiter and sub of

Rahu and sub-sub of Ketu.

Jup at star level is indicating 4th, 5th. 6th,9th 10th and 11th giving you good

openings, except that with Mars in 4th prone to injury.

Rahu indicates 1st house placement and 3rd,8th, and 12th interlinkages. This is

a major problem.

Rahu in 1st in Aries giving you big ideas, enhanced sexulity, prone to injury

and connection with 12th Saturn meaning losses of part of body.

However it is OK for profession as 8th and 12th and 3rd is 11th, 3rd and 6th

from 10th. But at personal level lot of mental turmoil, losses, misery and

problems.

I wish you all the best. Moon antra is running which is in Dhanista- Sat Mars

Mars area, with problem thinggs shold settle for good.

Inder

 

 

, " Shashi Shekher \ " Shaaswat\ " "

<polite_astro wrote:

>

>

>                                     ll HARE RAM ll  

> Dear Mr.Narinder,

> " But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science of

> hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what none

of

> them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some to

> fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

> Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

> business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact  No

> one in this world can predict the future. No one. "  

>

> While i am an astrologer even though i am completely agreed with your

views.Just to read few books one astrologer declares himself " Jyotish Vishaarad "

and starts giving predictions with full of authority.All most all the " Upaadhis "

can be bought in the market just giving some donation. " Saadhnaa " or

" Guru-Shishya Parampara " has been finished.You will be surprised that i started

this divine learning under the guidance of three Gurus in 1987 but i could not

arrange the dare to predict before 2003.I had a note book of " Capital " so called

copy these days and placed on the floor in front of Guru ji,they tested weekly

and punished with sticks if we told wrong about Nakshatra or yoga etc.I

observed, there was a practice too these days that the querent went to

an astrologer on his birth day or on the new year day and asked him only for

coming year only about incidents and their remedies and it was easier for

astrologer to explain.No one astrologer can predict

> for life long in one time.One Bhava has around hundred of questions.So how

can one astrologer say about the tweleve Bhava's detailed in one time.Further

one horoscope takes around two hours for reading before giving any prediction.So

it is not possible too for one to take such time on net.

> Now about you in very much brief, Saturn Mahadasa is not favorable at all

as it has extreme enemity with ascendant lord Mars.It is the lord of 6th to

6th=11th house means accidents + income mainly + lord of 10th house too the

house of Karma placed in 12th house Aakaash Tava, abroad & hospital.So you had

to immigrate in the said period.11th house also belong to left hand and so you

had to face such accident in MD & AD of Saturn and PD of Mercury that is lord of

6th melafic house and aspecting such Saturn placed in own house alongwith Sun.

>  

> God bless

> Shashi Shekhar " shaaswat "

>  

> Shashi S.Sharma

>

> [Vedic Astrologer & Gems Advisor]

> [Member-Planetary Gemologists Association,Bangkok,Thailand]

> www.freewebs.com/astroremedies,Blog:www.shaaswatjyotish.blogspot.com

> Delhi,Cell-09818310075, E-mail: polite_astro

> [Private consultation is chargeable.Please contact me in shaaswat.jyotish

]

>

>

>

>

> Live and Let Live  

>

>

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 3/29/09, narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro wrote:

>

> narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro

> Re: Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people

fool

>

> Sunday, March 29, 2009, 6:45 AM

>

> Respected All

> Though always believed astrology as my grand mother, grand fathers were well

> known astrologer of their times. I too learned the same but did not adopt it

as

> profession.

>

> But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science of

> hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what none

of

> them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some to

> fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

> Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

> business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact  No

> one in this world can predict the future. No one. 

>

> Let me be precise, My date of birth is 25 sept 1966 time 19.55 , place of

birth

> Una H.P, India, I am running saturn since  apr. 2007. I immigrated to canada

on

> 25th december 2007. Since long i asked so many astoroger inculding JR, to let

me

> know either this dasha was good for me or not for my career. I got always

> confusng double sided reply. No specfic answer. Any ways no one told even

hinted

> about the accident i recently met. Even i could not see any reason for this. I

> challenge all the astrologers let alone any prediction just see how this

> happened,. I met accident at work place. Three fingers  of left hand crushed

in

> machine. This is not a small incident in which person looses the part of body.

I

> am going to be operated on 30 march in toronto to cut fingers off as badly

> crushed- no blood supply to fingers. I was asking astologers to see the chance

> of getting job in my IT field. But no one could even hint that this would

> happen.

>

> I CALLENGE ALL THE ASTROGERS OF ALL PRACTICES TO JUST JUSTIFY THIS

> MIS-HAPPENING IN ASTROLOGY.  BUT I KNOW NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

>

> MY HOROSCOPE IS ACCURATE AND NO NEED TO SAY MAY BE THIS WRONGLY CALCULATED.

>   

>  sorry for harsh words,

>

> Narinder Sharma 5, Rowntree Road Etobicoke, Toronto    

>

> --- On Sun, 29/3/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

> Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people fool

>

> Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 12:09 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

dear sureshji

>

>

>

> firstly i appreciate your positive faith in astrology without which you would

> not have posted yet another query seeking guidance even after not hearing a

> realistic prediction specific to your missing son from 150 odd astrologers.

>

>

>

> however, since you used the word kidnapped, kindly advise what is he studying

> and from where he was kidnapped and who saw him kidnapped. since we dont know

> whether he is missed, left on his own, not traceable or kidnapped, kindly give

> this much details as per your last available information and then we use

> astrology as well as clairvoyance and guide you suitably.

>

>

>

> but please bear in mind that we read and say something in this group freely

> based on our limited knowledge and capacities and you are at liberty to trash

it

> if you find it wrong or appreciate it if you find it right, for it is not a

paid

> suggestion from accenture consulting or boston consulting group.

>

>

>

> with best wishes and blessings

>

> pandit arjun

>

> www.rudraksharemedy .com

>

>

>

> , " sureshkhandelwal "

> <sureshkhandelwal@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > respected gurujans,

>

> >

>

> > i am sorry to say, but it seems astrology is just an art for making people

> fool . AS i have visited at least 150 astrologers and even given my problem at

> various sites, but of no avail. My son Chirag was kidnapped on 17/8/2008,5. 10

> pm and after that i have enquired many renowed astrologersbut of no avial.

>

> >

>

> > every other astrologers reaches at different conclusion by the same

> janamkundli, if it is a science then every astrologers should reach at same

> conclusion, like in mathematics 2+2 is always 4 whereever you go.

>

> > I again gives details of my son:

>

> > Name: Chirag

>

> > dob 23/8/1991

>

> > tob 10.39 am

>

> > pob delhi

>

> >

>

> > can any astrolger tell with certainty that what has/will happen

>

> >

>

> > i m sorry for harsh words but it seems so.

>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Suresh Khandelwal ji,

Your Sun chart Venus -Rahu -Rahu area means things getting confused.

Rahu dasaBhukti running and Rahu as representing Lagna star and sub is also

representing 3rd house as 3rd sublord and in 3rd house . Rahu in star of Venus

and sub of Saturn and sub sub of Sun does not indicate death of the child as

these are not connected with 2nd or 7th house. It may be possible that he

himself might have gone/left/planned for some professional reasons [Venus means

field of art/ musi/drama/film]

As Venus is indicated as 10th sublord means some success is also shown, and he

may return safely. Let us hope for the best.

Inder

 

 

, " Shashi Shekher \ " Shaaswat\ " "

<polite_astro wrote:

>

>

>                                     ll HARE RAM ll  

> Dear Mr.Narinder,

> " But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science of

> hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what none

of

> them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some to

> fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

> Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

> business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact  No

> one in this world can predict the future. No one. "  

>

> While i am an astrologer even though i am completely agreed with your

views.Just to read few books one astrologer declares himself " Jyotish Vishaarad "

and starts giving predictions with full of authority.All most all the " Upaadhis "

can be bought in the market just giving some donation. " Saadhnaa " or

" Guru-Shishya Parampara " has been finished.You will be surprised that i started

this divine learning under the guidance of three Gurus in 1987 but i could not

arrange the dare to predict before 2003.I had a note book of " Capital " so called

copy these days and placed on the floor in front of Guru ji,they tested weekly

and punished with sticks if we told wrong about Nakshatra or yoga etc.I

observed, there was a practice too these days that the querent went to

an astrologer on his birth day or on the new year day and asked him only for

coming year only about incidents and their remedies and it was easier for

astrologer to explain.No one astrologer can predict

> for life long in one time.One Bhava has around hundred of questions.So how

can one astrologer say about the tweleve Bhava's detailed in one time.Further

one horoscope takes around two hours for reading before giving any prediction.So

it is not possible too for one to take such time on net.

> Now about you in very much brief, Saturn Mahadasa is not favorable at all

as it has extreme enemity with ascendant lord Mars.It is the lord of 6th to

6th=11th house means accidents + income mainly + lord of 10th house too the

house of Karma placed in 12th house Aakaash Tava, abroad & hospital.So you had

to immigrate in the said period.11th house also belong to left hand and so you

had to face such accident in MD & AD of Saturn and PD of Mercury that is lord of

6th melafic house and aspecting such Saturn placed in own house alongwith Sun.

>  

> God bless

> Shashi Shekhar " shaaswat "

>  

> Shashi S.Sharma

>

> [Vedic Astrologer & Gems Advisor]

> [Member-Planetary Gemologists Association,Bangkok,Thailand]

> www.freewebs.com/astroremedies,Blog:www.shaaswatjyotish.blogspot.com

> Delhi,Cell-09818310075, E-mail: polite_astro

> [Private consultation is chargeable.Please contact me in shaaswat.jyotish

]

>

>

>

>

> Live and Let Live  

>

>

>

>

>

> --- On Sun, 3/29/09, narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro wrote:

>

> narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro

> Re: Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people

fool

>

> Sunday, March 29, 2009, 6:45 AM

>

> Respected All

> Though always believed astrology as my grand mother, grand fathers were well

> known astrologer of their times. I too learned the same but did not adopt it

as

> profession.

>

> But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science of

> hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what none

of

> them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some to

> fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

> Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

> business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact  No

> one in this world can predict the future. No one. 

>

> Let me be precise, My date of birth is 25 sept 1966 time 19.55 , place of

birth

> Una H.P, India, I am running saturn since  apr. 2007. I immigrated to canada

on

> 25th december 2007. Since long i asked so many astoroger inculding JR, to let

me

> know either this dasha was good for me or not for my career. I got always

> confusng double sided reply. No specfic answer. Any ways no one told even

hinted

> about the accident i recently met. Even i could not see any reason for this. I

> challenge all the astrologers let alone any prediction just see how this

> happened,. I met accident at work place. Three fingers  of left hand crushed

in

> machine. This is not a small incident in which person looses the part of body.

I

> am going to be operated on 30 march in toronto to cut fingers off as badly

> crushed- no blood supply to fingers. I was asking astologers to see the chance

> of getting job in my IT field. But no one could even hint that this would

> happen.

>

> I CALLENGE ALL THE ASTROGERS OF ALL PRACTICES TO JUST JUSTIFY THIS

> MIS-HAPPENING IN ASTROLOGY.  BUT I KNOW NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

>

> MY HOROSCOPE IS ACCURATE AND NO NEED TO SAY MAY BE THIS WRONGLY CALCULATED.

>   

>  sorry for harsh words,

>

> Narinder Sharma 5, Rowntree Road Etobicoke, Toronto    

>

> --- On Sun, 29/3/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004

> Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people fool

>

> Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 12:09 AM

>

>

>

>

>

>

dear sureshji

>

>

>

> firstly i appreciate your positive faith in astrology without which you would

> not have posted yet another query seeking guidance even after not hearing a

> realistic prediction specific to your missing son from 150 odd astrologers.

>

>

>

> however, since you used the word kidnapped, kindly advise what is he studying

> and from where he was kidnapped and who saw him kidnapped. since we dont know

> whether he is missed, left on his own, not traceable or kidnapped, kindly give

> this much details as per your last available information and then we use

> astrology as well as clairvoyance and guide you suitably.

>

>

>

> but please bear in mind that we read and say something in this group freely

> based on our limited knowledge and capacities and you are at liberty to trash

it

> if you find it wrong or appreciate it if you find it right, for it is not a

paid

> suggestion from accenture consulting or boston consulting group.

>

>

>

> with best wishes and blessings

>

> pandit arjun

>

> www.rudraksharemedy .com

>

>

>

> , " sureshkhandelwal "

> <sureshkhandelwal@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > respected gurujans,

>

> >

>

> > i am sorry to say, but it seems astrology is just an art for making people

> fool . AS i have visited at least 150 astrologers and even given my problem at

> various sites, but of no avail. My son Chirag was kidnapped on 17/8/2008,5. 10

> pm and after that i have enquired many renowed astrologersbut of no avial.

>

> >

>

> > every other astrologers reaches at different conclusion by the same

> janamkundli, if it is a science then every astrologers should reach at same

> conclusion, like in mathematics 2+2 is always 4 whereever you go.

>

> > I again gives details of my son:

>

> > Name: Chirag

>

> > dob 23/8/1991

>

> > tob 10.39 am

>

> > pob delhi

>

> >

>

> > can any astrolger tell with certainty that what has/will happen

>

> >

>

> > i m sorry for harsh words but it seems so.

>

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

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>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Inder ji,

 

You are very right! Hindsight is almost always 2020 in astrological studies done

after the fact. To me, unless someone is just trying to look smart or cover up

embarassment, this has always indictated the potential that ASTROPLOGY has and

it has a very high incidence!

 

People have always gotten a bit diffuse if not confused when trying to separate

the performance of Astrology from the performance of Astrologer.

 

This is the key! If Astrological principles can explain the results then it was

possible before the event too, because the rules have not changed. So obviously

this represents the capacity/capability of Astrology.

 

The performance of the Astrologer, therefore, lies squarely in being able to

predict the event before hand which would then be the performance of the

astrologer.

 

The better an astrologer is at picking the wheat from the chaff, or identifying

the SIGNAL from a babel of Astrological NOISE, the better the receiver is!

 

While astrology and its performance is pretty straight forward and stable

(success rate pretty much near 100% in post-fact analysis), the performance of

the astrologer is very complex and varies from time to time due to many factors,

such as:

 

= Astrological knowledge and experience of course

= Mental calmness

= Interference (sometimes positive) of non-astrological faculties

= The level of trust or mistrust between nativity and astrologer (tends to be

more of a factor in internet settings as we have seen when certain pressing

questions are asked by the astrologer). This would include the 'defensiveness'

and over-caution astrologers may feel when responding in a public forum when

they suspect a 'trap'.

= perhaps many other factors as well...

 

OBVIOUSLY, based on the astrologer's personality, personal agenda/interest/focus

and general experience as an astrologer and a mature human being, some of the

above factors can be put aside or attenuated in a professional manner!

 

Regards,

Rohiniranjan

 

 

, " Inder " <indervohra2001 wrote:

>

> Dear Narinder,

> What you say is really interesting and right.

> Although Astrology is science or art of predictions of future events but it is

really true that prediction is most difficult and many times go wrong. And many

many astrologers are just cheating very cleverely.

> And many who try to see things go for broad analysis whether time running is

good or bad etc, and which planet causing bad or good happenings etc.

> Post analysis is easy to do as you can easily find some bad things in

placement or navamsa or sub or dasa bhukti etc

> Injury to fingers is not easily seen in your chart.

> As I see your chart Aries lagna as Mars is 8th and 1st house is prone to

injuries.

> Star lord and sublord Venus and Jupiter as sub sub makes sure that you are

saved from bad accidents.

> Coming to your Sat dasa it is in 12th house in the star of Jupiter and sub of

Rahu and sub-sub of Ketu.

> Jup at star level is indicating 4th, 5th. 6th,9th 10th and 11th giving you

good openings, except that with Mars in 4th prone to injury.

> Rahu indicates 1st house placement and 3rd,8th, and 12th interlinkages. This

is a major problem.

> Rahu in 1st in Aries giving you big ideas, enhanced sexulity, prone to injury

and connection with 12th Saturn meaning losses of part of body.

> However it is OK for profession as 8th and 12th and 3rd is 11th, 3rd and 6th

from 10th. But at personal level lot of mental turmoil, losses, misery and

problems.

> I wish you all the best. Moon antra is running which is in Dhanista- Sat Mars

Mars area, with problem thinggs shold settle for good.

> Inder

>

>

> , " Shashi Shekher \ " Shaaswat\ " "

<polite_astro@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >                                     ll HARE RAM ll  

> > Dear Mr.Narinder,

> > " But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science

of

> > hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what

none of

> > them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some to

> > fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

> > Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

> > business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact  No

> > one in this world can predict the future. No one. "  

> >

> > While i am an astrologer even though i am completely agreed with your

views.Just to read few books one astrologer declares himself " Jyotish Vishaarad "

and starts giving predictions with full of authority.All most all the " Upaadhis "

can be bought in the market just giving some donation. " Saadhnaa " or

" Guru-Shishya Parampara " has been finished.You will be surprised that i started

this divine learning under the guidance of three Gurus in 1987 but i could not

arrange the dare to predict before 2003.I had a note book of " Capital " so called

copy these days and placed on the floor in front of Guru ji,they tested weekly

and punished with sticks if we told wrong about Nakshatra or yoga etc.I

observed, there was a practice too these days that the querent went to

an astrologer on his birth day or on the new year day and asked him only for

coming year only about incidents and their remedies and it was easier for

astrologer to explain.No one astrologer can predict

> > for life long in one time.One Bhava has around hundred of questions.So how

can one astrologer say about the tweleve Bhava's detailed in one time.Further

one horoscope takes around two hours for reading before giving any prediction.So

it is not possible too for one to take such time on net.

> > Now about you in very much brief, Saturn Mahadasa is not favorable at all

as it has extreme enemity with ascendant lord Mars.It is the lord of 6th to

6th=11th house means accidents + income mainly + lord of 10th house too the

house of Karma placed in 12th house Aakaash Tava, abroad & hospital.So you had

to immigrate in the said period.11th house also belong to left hand and so you

had to face such accident in MD & AD of Saturn and PD of Mercury that is lord of

6th melafic house and aspecting such Saturn placed in own house alongwith Sun.

> >  

> > God bless

> > Shashi Shekhar " shaaswat "

> >  

> > Shashi S.Sharma

> >

> > [Vedic Astrologer & Gems Advisor]

> > [Member-Planetary Gemologists Association,Bangkok,Thailand]

> > www.freewebs.com/astroremedies,Blog:www.shaaswatjyotish.blogspot.com

> > Delhi,Cell-09818310075, E-mail: polite_astro@

> > [Private consultation is chargeable.Please contact me in shaaswat.jyotish@ ]

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Live and Let Live  

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro@> wrote:

> >

> > narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro@>

> > Re: Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people

fool

> >

> > Sunday, March 29, 2009, 6:45 AM

> >

> > Respected All

> > Though always believed astrology as my grand mother, grand fathers were well

> > known astrologer of their times. I too learned the same but did not adopt it

as

> > profession.

> >

> > But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science of

> > hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what

none of

> > them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some to

> > fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

> > Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

> > business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact  No

> > one in this world can predict the future. No one. 

> >

> > Let me be precise, My date of birth is 25 sept 1966 time 19.55 , place of

birth

> > Una H.P, India, I am running saturn since  apr. 2007. I immigrated to canada

on

> > 25th december 2007. Since long i asked so many astoroger inculding JR, to

let me

> > know either this dasha was good for me or not for my career. I got always

> > confusng double sided reply. No specfic answer. Any ways no one told even

hinted

> > about the accident i recently met. Even i could not see any reason for this.

I

> > challenge all the astrologers let alone any prediction just see how this

> > happened,. I met accident at work place. Three fingers  of left hand crushed

in

> > machine. This is not a small incident in which person looses the part of

body. I

> > am going to be operated on 30 march in toronto to cut fingers off as badly

> > crushed- no blood supply to fingers. I was asking astologers to see the

chance

> > of getting job in my IT field. But no one could even hint that this would

> > happen.

> >

> > I CALLENGE ALL THE ASTROGERS OF ALL PRACTICES TO JUST JUSTIFY THIS

> > MIS-HAPPENING IN ASTROLOGY.  BUT I KNOW NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

> >

> > MY HOROSCOPE IS ACCURATE AND NO NEED TO SAY MAY BE THIS WRONGLY CALCULATED.

> >   

> >  sorry for harsh words,

> >

> > Narinder Sharma 5, Rowntree Road Etobicoke, Toronto    

> >

> > --- On Sun, 29/3/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@>

> > Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people fool

> >

> > Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 12:09 AM

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > dear sureshji

> >

> >

> >

> > firstly i appreciate your positive faith in astrology without which you

would

> > not have posted yet another query seeking guidance even after not hearing a

> > realistic prediction specific to your missing son from 150 odd astrologers.

> >

> >

> >

> > however, since you used the word kidnapped, kindly advise what is he

studying

> > and from where he was kidnapped and who saw him kidnapped. since we dont

know

> > whether he is missed, left on his own, not traceable or kidnapped, kindly

give

> > this much details as per your last available information and then we use

> > astrology as well as clairvoyance and guide you suitably.

> >

> >

> >

> > but please bear in mind that we read and say something in this group freely

> > based on our limited knowledge and capacities and you are at liberty to

trash it

> > if you find it wrong or appreciate it if you find it right, for it is not a

paid

> > suggestion from accenture consulting or boston consulting group.

> >

> >

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> >

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sureshkhandelwal "

> > <sureshkhandelwal@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > >

> >

> > > respected gurujans,

> >

> > >

> >

> > > i am sorry to say, but it seems astrology is just an art for making people

> > fool . AS i have visited at least 150 astrologers and even given my problem

at

> > various sites, but of no avail. My son Chirag was kidnapped on 17/8/2008,5.

10

> > pm and after that i have enquired many renowed astrologersbut of no avial.

> >

> > >

> >

> > > every other astrologers reaches at different conclusion by the same

> > janamkundli, if it is a science then every astrologers should reach at same

> > conclusion, like in mathematics 2+2 is always 4 whereever you go.

> >

> > > I again gives details of my son:

> >

> > > Name: Chirag

> >

> > > dob 23/8/1991

> >

> > > tob 10.39 am

> >

> > > pob delhi

> >

> > >

> >

> > > can any astrolger tell with certainty that what has/will happen

> >

> > >

> >

> > > i m sorry for harsh words but it seems so.

> >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> > http://messenger./invite/

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

hi

 

yes we can sympathize wid you but it is always difficult to give out extremely

bad news thats why many astrologer might be in dilemma to give worst news or not

and most of them might have chosen not to give.

 

but 4m kundli the chances luk bleak u r son running dasha of rahu which is

greatest karmic control planet is debilitated in horoscope bad thing. only some

remedy can be help that is also 10% not more if parents chart giving some

positive than only the possibility otherwise not ,i m soory to say

 

take care

have courage

[Guest guest]

Dear Rohiniji,

In addition to the pointer given by you, i also beleive that there is some

DIVINE game at play in this. We have so large number of astrologers and suppose

they are able to pinpoint future events accurately with exact timings etc based

on astro formulae, than it may lead to chaotic situation, as most of clients

would be manipulating the events with their Purushartha! Is it possible?

Divinity plays tricks with us. My conviction is that it is not posible to change

the destiny with the help of astrology.

That way, with astrology we may know the things in broad ways but not minutes

details/timings of future events where chances of manipulations are there.

Inder

 

 

, " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan

wrote:

>

> Dear Inder ji,

>

> You are very right! Hindsight is almost always 2020 in astrological studies

done after the fact. To me, unless someone is just trying to look smart or cover

up embarassment, this has always indictated the potential that ASTROPLOGY has

and it has a very high incidence!

>

> People have always gotten a bit diffuse if not confused when trying to

separate the performance of Astrology from the performance of Astrologer.

>

> This is the key! If Astrological principles can explain the results then it

was possible before the event too, because the rules have not changed. So

obviously this represents the capacity/capability of Astrology.

>

> The performance of the Astrologer, therefore, lies squarely in being able to

predict the event before hand which would then be the performance of the

astrologer.

>

> The better an astrologer is at picking the wheat from the chaff, or

identifying the SIGNAL from a babel of Astrological NOISE, the better the

receiver is!

>

> While astrology and its performance is pretty straight forward and stable

(success rate pretty much near 100% in post-fact analysis), the performance of

the astrologer is very complex and varies from time to time due to many factors,

such as:

>

> = Astrological knowledge and experience of course

> = Mental calmness

> = Interference (sometimes positive) of non-astrological faculties

> = The level of trust or mistrust between nativity and astrologer (tends to be

more of a factor in internet settings as we have seen when certain pressing

questions are asked by the astrologer). This would include the 'defensiveness'

and over-caution astrologers may feel when responding in a public forum when

they suspect a 'trap'.

> = perhaps many other factors as well...

>

> OBVIOUSLY, based on the astrologer's personality, personal

agenda/interest/focus and general experience as an astrologer and a mature human

being, some of the above factors can be put aside or attenuated in a

professional manner!

>

> Regards,

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

> , " Inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narinder,

> > What you say is really interesting and right.

> > Although Astrology is science or art of predictions of future events but it

is really true that prediction is most difficult and many times go wrong. And

many many astrologers are just cheating very cleverely.

> > And many who try to see things go for broad analysis whether time running is

good or bad etc, and which planet causing bad or good happenings etc.

> > Post analysis is easy to do as you can easily find some bad things in

placement or navamsa or sub or dasa bhukti etc

> > Injury to fingers is not easily seen in your chart.

> > As I see your chart Aries lagna as Mars is 8th and 1st house is prone to

injuries.

> > Star lord and sublord Venus and Jupiter as sub sub makes sure that you are

saved from bad accidents.

> > Coming to your Sat dasa it is in 12th house in the star of Jupiter and sub

of Rahu and sub-sub of Ketu.

> > Jup at star level is indicating 4th, 5th. 6th,9th 10th and 11th giving you

good openings, except that with Mars in 4th prone to injury.

> > Rahu indicates 1st house placement and 3rd,8th, and 12th interlinkages. This

is a major problem.

> > Rahu in 1st in Aries giving you big ideas, enhanced sexulity, prone to

injury and connection with 12th Saturn meaning losses of part of body.

> > However it is OK for profession as 8th and 12th and 3rd is 11th, 3rd and 6th

from 10th. But at personal level lot of mental turmoil, losses, misery and

problems.

> > I wish you all the best. Moon antra is running which is in Dhanista- Sat

Mars Mars area, with problem thinggs shold settle for good.

> > Inder

> >

> >

> > , " Shashi Shekher \ " Shaaswat\ " "

<polite_astro@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >                                     ll HARE RAM ll  

> > > Dear Mr.Narinder,

> > > " But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science

of

> > > hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what

none of

> > > them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some

to

> > > fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

> > > Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

> > > business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact 

No

> > > one in this world can predict the future. No one. "  

> > >

> > > While i am an astrologer even though i am completely agreed with your

views.Just to read few books one astrologer declares himself " Jyotish Vishaarad "

and starts giving predictions with full of authority.All most all the " Upaadhis "

can be bought in the market just giving some donation. " Saadhnaa " or

" Guru-Shishya Parampara " has been finished.You will be surprised that i started

this divine learning under the guidance of three Gurus in 1987 but i could not

arrange the dare to predict before 2003.I had a note book of " Capital " so called

copy these days and placed on the floor in front of Guru ji,they tested weekly

and punished with sticks if we told wrong about Nakshatra or yoga etc.I

observed, there was a practice too these days that the querent went to

an astrologer on his birth day or on the new year day and asked him only for

coming year only about incidents and their remedies and it was easier for

astrologer to explain.No one astrologer can predict

> > > for life long in one time.One Bhava has around hundred of questions.So

how can one astrologer say about the tweleve Bhava's detailed in one

time.Further one horoscope takes around two hours for reading before giving any

prediction.So it is not possible too for one to take such time on net.

> > > Now about you in very much brief, Saturn Mahadasa is not favorable at all

as it has extreme enemity with ascendant lord Mars.It is the lord of 6th to

6th=11th house means accidents + income mainly + lord of 10th house too the

house of Karma placed in 12th house Aakaash Tava, abroad & hospital.So you had

to immigrate in the said period.11th house also belong to left hand and so you

had to face such accident in MD & AD of Saturn and PD of Mercury that is lord of

6th melafic house and aspecting such Saturn placed in own house alongwith Sun.

> > >  

> > > God bless

> > > Shashi Shekhar " shaaswat "

> > >  

> > > Shashi S.Sharma

> > >

> > > [Vedic Astrologer & Gems Advisor]

> > > [Member-Planetary Gemologists Association,Bangkok,Thailand]

> > > www.freewebs.com/astroremedies,Blog:www.shaaswatjyotish.blogspot.com

> > > Delhi,Cell-09818310075, E-mail: polite_astro@

> > > [Private consultation is chargeable.Please contact me in shaaswat.jyotish@

]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Live and Let Live  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro@> wrote:

> > >

> > > narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro@>

> > > Re: Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people

fool

> > >

> > > Sunday, March 29, 2009, 6:45 AM

> > >

> > > Respected All

> > > Though always believed astrology as my grand mother, grand fathers were

well

> > > known astrologer of their times. I too learned the same but did not adopt

it as

> > > profession.

> > >

> > > But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science

of

> > > hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what

none of

> > > them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some

to

> > > fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

> > > Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

> > > business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact 

No

> > > one in this world can predict the future. No one. 

> > >

> > > Let me be precise, My date of birth is 25 sept 1966 time 19.55 , place of

birth

> > > Una H.P, India, I am running saturn since  apr. 2007. I immigrated to

canada on

> > > 25th december 2007. Since long i asked so many astoroger inculding JR, to

let me

> > > know either this dasha was good for me or not for my career. I got always

> > > confusng double sided reply. No specfic answer. Any ways no one told even

hinted

> > > about the accident i recently met. Even i could not see any reason for

this. I

> > > challenge all the astrologers let alone any prediction just see how this

> > > happened,. I met accident at work place. Three fingers  of left hand

crushed in

> > > machine. This is not a small incident in which person looses the part of

body. I

> > > am going to be operated on 30 march in toronto to cut fingers off as badly

> > > crushed- no blood supply to fingers. I was asking astologers to see the

chance

> > > of getting job in my IT field. But no one could even hint that this would

> > > happen.

> > >

> > > I CALLENGE ALL THE ASTROGERS OF ALL PRACTICES TO JUST JUSTIFY THIS

> > > MIS-HAPPENING IN ASTROLOGY.  BUT I KNOW NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

> > >

> > > MY HOROSCOPE IS ACCURATE AND NO NEED TO SAY MAY BE THIS WRONGLY

CALCULATED.

> > >   

> > >  sorry for harsh words,

> > >

> > > Narinder Sharma 5, Rowntree Road Etobicoke, Toronto    

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 29/3/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@>

> > > Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people

fool

> > >

> > > Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 12:09 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear sureshji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > firstly i appreciate your positive faith in astrology without which you

would

> > > not have posted yet another query seeking guidance even after not hearing

a

> > > realistic prediction specific to your missing son from 150 odd

astrologers.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > however, since you used the word kidnapped, kindly advise what is he

studying

> > > and from where he was kidnapped and who saw him kidnapped. since we dont

know

> > > whether he is missed, left on his own, not traceable or kidnapped, kindly

give

> > > this much details as per your last available information and then we use

> > > astrology as well as clairvoyance and guide you suitably.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > but please bear in mind that we read and say something in this group

freely

> > > based on our limited knowledge and capacities and you are at liberty to

trash it

> > > if you find it wrong or appreciate it if you find it right, for it is not

a paid

> > > suggestion from accenture consulting or boston consulting group.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > >

> > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " sureshkhandelwal "

> > > <sureshkhandelwal@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > respected gurujans,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > i am sorry to say, but it seems astrology is just an art for making

people

> > > fool . AS i have visited at least 150 astrologers and even given my

problem at

> > > various sites, but of no avail. My son Chirag was kidnapped on

17/8/2008,5. 10

> > > pm and after that i have enquired many renowed astrologersbut of no avial.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > every other astrologers reaches at different conclusion by the same

> > > janamkundli, if it is a science then every astrologers should reach at

same

> > > conclusion, like in mathematics 2+2 is always 4 whereever you go.

> > >

> > > > I again gives details of my son:

> > >

> > > > Name: Chirag

> > >

> > > > dob 23/8/1991

> > >

> > > > tob 10.39 am

> > >

> > > > pob delhi

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > can any astrolger tell with certainty that what has/will happen

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > i m sorry for harsh words but it seems so.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> > > http://messenger./invite/

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Everyone in this forum understands the anguish and anxiety

of the father whose son is still untraceable. That is why there has been an

overwhelming/ ground swell of response from many to address the grievance with

a noble intention of bringing solace to the needy. Therefore, I hope, for the

same reasons, his outpourings against astrology and it’s legitimacy will be

taken with the sympathy that it deserves. There is no point in explaining

various intricacies, nuances, established techniques and limitations of

astrology

to an aggrieved father expecting instant results.

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

Performance of Astrologer has at least for me find duality.One that he wants to

thrive and feels that he should not have competetor and second he is at the

rudder to steer the needy people to such an end that he has shown them ultimate

reality.

As far as Astrology is concerned,it is for the interested one to break their

heads and learn  what ever they want to learn from the classical write ups. 

vrkrishnan 

 

--- On Mon, 3/30/09, Inder <indervohra2001 wrote:

 

Inder <indervohra2001

Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people fool

 

Monday, March 30, 2009, 4:31 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Rohiniji,

In addition to the pointer given by you, i also beleive that there is some

DIVINE game at play in this. We have so large number of astrologers and suppose

they are able to pinpoint future events accurately with exact timings etc based

on astro formulae, than it may lead to chaotic situation, as most of clients

would be manipulating the events with their Purushartha! Is it possible?

Divinity plays tricks with us. My conviction is that it is not posible to change

the destiny with the help of astrology.

That way, with astrology we may know the things in broad ways but not minutes

details/timings of future events where chances of manipulations are there.

Inder

 

, " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@ ...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Inder ji,

>

> You are very right! Hindsight is almost always 2020 in astrological studies

done after the fact. To me, unless someone is just trying to look smart or cover

up embarassment, this has always indictated the potential that ASTROPLOGY has

and it has a very high incidence!

>

> People have always gotten a bit diffuse if not confused when trying to

separate the performance of Astrology from the performance of Astrologer.

>

> This is the key! If Astrological principles can explain the results then it

was possible before the event too, because the rules have not changed. So

obviously this represents the capacity/capability of Astrology.

>

> The performance of the Astrologer, therefore, lies squarely in being able to

predict the event before hand which would then be the performance of the

astrologer.

>

> The better an astrologer is at picking the wheat from the chaff, or

identifying the SIGNAL from a babel of Astrological NOISE, the better the

receiver is!

>

> While astrology and its performance is pretty straight forward and stable

(success rate pretty much near 100% in post-fact analysis), the performance of

the astrologer is very complex and varies from time to time due to many factors,

such as:

>

> = Astrological knowledge and experience of course

> = Mental calmness

> = Interference (sometimes positive) of non-astrological faculties

> = The level of trust or mistrust between nativity and astrologer (tends to be

more of a factor in internet settings as we have seen when certain pressing

questions are asked by the astrologer). This would include the 'defensiveness'

and over-caution astrologers may feel when responding in a public forum when

they suspect a 'trap'.

> = perhaps many other factors as well...

>

> OBVIOUSLY, based on the astrologer's personality, personal agenda/interest/

focus and general experience as an astrologer and a mature human being, some of

the above factors can be put aside or attenuated in a professional manner!

>

> Regards,

> Rohiniranjan

>

>

> , " Inder " <indervohra2001@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Narinder,

> > What you say is really interesting and right.

> > Although Astrology is science or art of predictions of future events but it

is really true that prediction is most difficult and many times go wrong. And

many many astrologers are just cheating very cleverely.

> > And many who try to see things go for broad analysis whether time running is

good or bad etc, and which planet causing bad or good happenings etc.

> > Post analysis is easy to do as you can easily find some bad things in

placement or navamsa or sub or dasa bhukti etc

> > Injury to fingers is not easily seen in your chart.

> > As I see your chart Aries lagna as Mars is 8th and 1st house is prone to

injuries.

> > Star lord and sublord Venus and Jupiter as sub sub makes sure that you are

saved from bad accidents.

> > Coming to your Sat dasa it is in 12th house in the star of Jupiter and sub

of Rahu and sub-sub of Ketu.

> > Jup at star level is indicating 4th, 5th. 6th,9th 10th and 11th giving you

good openings, except that with Mars in 4th prone to injury.

> > Rahu indicates 1st house placement and 3rd,8th, and 12th interlinkages. This

is a major problem.

> > Rahu in 1st in Aries giving you big ideas, enhanced sexulity, prone to

injury and connection with 12th Saturn meaning losses of part of body.

> > However it is OK for profession as 8th and 12th and 3rd is 11th, 3rd and 6th

from 10th. But at personal level lot of mental turmoil, losses, misery and

problems.

> > I wish you all the best. Moon antra is running which is in Dhanista- Sat

Mars Mars area, with problem thinggs shold settle for good.

> > Inder

> >

> >

> > , " Shashi Shekher \ " Shaaswat\ " "

<polite_astro@ > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >                                     ll HARE RAM ll  

> > > Dear Mr.Narinder,

> > > " But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science

of

> > > hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what

none of

> > > them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some

to

> > > fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

> > > Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

> > > business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact 

No

> > > one in this world can predict the future. No one. "  

> > >

> > > While i am an astrologer even though i am completely agreed with your

views.Just to read few books one astrologer declares himself " Jyotish Vishaarad "

and starts giving predictions with full of authority.All most all the " Upaadhis "

can be bought in the market just giving some donation. " Saadhnaa " or

" Guru-Shishya Parampara " has been finished.You will be surprised that i started

this divine learning under the guidance of three Gurus in 1987 but i could not

arrange the dare to predict before 2003.I had a note book of " Capital " so called

copy these days and placed on the floor in front of Guru ji,they tested weekly

and punished with sticks if we told wrong about Nakshatra or yoga etc.I

observed, there was a practice too these days that the querent went to

an astrologer on his birth day or on the new year day and asked him only for

coming year only about incidents and their remedies and it was easier for

astrologer to explain.No one astrologer can

predict

> > > for life long in one time.One Bhava has around hundred of questions.So how

can one astrologer say about the tweleve Bhava's detailed in one time.Further

one horoscope takes around two hours for reading before giving any prediction.So

it is not possible too for one to take such time on net.

> > > Now about you in very much brief, Saturn Mahadasa is not favorable at all

as it has extreme enemity with ascendant lord Mars.It is the lord of 6th to

6th=11th house means accidents + income mainly + lord of 10th house too the

house of Karma placed in 12th house Aakaash Tava, abroad & hospital.So you had

to immigrate in the said period.11th house also belong to left hand and so you

had to face such accident in MD & AD of Saturn and PD of Mercury that is lord of

6th melafic house and aspecting such Saturn placed in own house alongwith Sun.

> > >  

> > > God bless

> > > Shashi Shekhar " shaaswat "

> > >  

> > > Shashi S.Sharma

> > >

> > > [Vedic Astrologer & Gems Advisor]

> > > [Member-Planetary Gemologists Association, Bangkok,Thailand ]

> > > www.freewebs. com/astroremedie s,Blog:www. shaaswatjyotish. blogspot. com

> > > Delhi,Cell-09818310 075, E-mail: polite_astro@

> > > [Private consultation is chargeable.Please contact me in shaaswat.jyotish@

]

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Live and Let Live  

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro@ >

> > > Re: Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people

fool

> > >

> > > Sunday, March 29, 2009, 6:45 AM

> > >

> > > Respected All

> > > Though always believed astrology as my grand mother, grand fathers were

well

> > > known astrologer of their times. I too learned the same but did not adopt

it as

> > > profession.

> > >

> > > But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is science

of

> > > hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what

none of

> > > them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by some

to

> > > fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

> > > Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a side

> > > business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of  fact 

No

> > > one in this world can predict the future. No one. 

> > >

> > > Let me be precise, My date of birth is 25 sept 1966 time 19.55 , place of

birth

> > > Una H.P, India, I am running saturn since  apr. 2007. I immigrated to

canada on

> > > 25th december 2007. Since long i asked so many astoroger inculding JR, to

let me

> > > know either this dasha was good for me or not for my career. I got always

> > > confusng double sided reply. No specfic answer. Any ways no one told even

hinted

> > > about the accident i recently met. Even i could not see any reason for

this. I

> > > challenge all the astrologers let alone any prediction just see how this

> > > happened,. I met accident at work place. Three fingers  of left hand

crushed in

> > > machine. This is not a small incident in which person looses the part of

body. I

> > > am going to be operated on 30 march in toronto to cut fingers off as badly

> > > crushed- no blood supply to fingers. I was asking astologers to see the

chance

> > > of getting job in my IT field. But no one could even hint that this would

> > > happen.

> > >

> > > I CALLENGE ALL THE ASTROGERS OF ALL PRACTICES TO JUST JUSTIFY THIS

> > > MIS-HAPPENING IN ASTROLOGY.  BUT I KNOW NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

> > >

> > > MY HOROSCOPE IS ACCURATE AND NO NEED TO SAY MAY BE THIS WRONGLY

CALCULATED.

> > >   

> > >  sorry for harsh words,

> > >

> > > Narinder Sharma 5, Rowntree Road Etobicoke, Toronto    

> > >

> > > --- On Sun, 29/3/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@ >

> > > Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people

fool

> > >

> > > Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 12:09 AM

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > dear sureshji

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > firstly i appreciate your positive faith in astrology without which you

would

> > > not have posted yet another query seeking guidance even after not hearing

a

> > > realistic prediction specific to your missing son from 150 odd

astrologers.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > however, since you used the word kidnapped, kindly advise what is he

studying

> > > and from where he was kidnapped and who saw him kidnapped. since we dont

know

> > > whether he is missed, left on his own, not traceable or kidnapped, kindly

give

> > > this much details as per your last available information and then we use

> > > astrology as well as clairvoyance and guide you suitably.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > but please bear in mind that we read and say something in this group

freely

> > > based on our limited knowledge and capacities and you are at liberty to

trash it

> > > if you find it wrong or appreciate it if you find it right, for it is not

a paid

> > > suggestion from accenture consulting or boston consulting group.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > >

> > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > , " sureshkhandelwal "

> > > <sureshkhandelwal@ ...> wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > respected gurujans,

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > i am sorry to say, but it seems astrology is just an art for making

people

> > > fool . AS i have visited at least 150 astrologers and even given my

problem at

> > > various sites, but of no avail. My son Chirag was kidnapped on

17/8/2008,5. 10

> > > pm and after that i have enquired many renowed astrologersbut of no avial.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > every other astrologers reaches at different conclusion by the same

> > > janamkundli, if it is a science then every astrologers should reach at

same

> > > conclusion, like in mathematics 2+2 is always 4 whereever you go.

> > >

> > > > I again gives details of my son:

> > >

> > > > Name: Chirag

> > >

> > > > dob 23/8/1991

> > >

> > > > tob 10.39 am

> > >

> > > > pob delhi

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > can any astrolger tell with certainty that what has/will happen

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > > i m sorry for harsh words but it seems so.

> > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to

> > > http://messenger. / invite/

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Inderji,

 

I am in full agreement with the points raised by you since my personal belief in

these matters runs pretty closely parallel to what you have expressed.

 

If astrology was that accurate, then who would need all these other divinatory

methods which were all created by God. He is an equal opportunity employer ;-)

 

RR

 

 

, " Inder " <indervohra2001 wrote:

>

> Dear Rohiniji,

> In addition to the pointer given by you, i also beleive that there is some

DIVINE game at play in this. We have so large number of astrologers and suppose

they are able to pinpoint future events accurately with exact timings etc based

on astro formulae, than it may lead to chaotic situation, as most of clients

would be manipulating the events with their Purushartha! Is it possible?

> Divinity plays tricks with us. My conviction is that it is not posible to

change the destiny with the help of astrology.

> That way, with astrology we may know the things in broad ways but not minutes

details/timings of future events where chances of manipulations are there.

> Inder

>

>

> , " Rohiniranjan " <rohini_ranjan@>

wrote:

> >

> > Dear Inder ji,

> >

> > You are very right! Hindsight is almost always 2020 in astrological studies

done after the fact. To me, unless someone is just trying to look smart or cover

up embarassment, this has always indictated the potential that ASTROPLOGY has

and it has a very high incidence!

> >

> > People have always gotten a bit diffuse if not confused when trying to

separate the performance of Astrology from the performance of Astrologer.

> >

> > This is the key! If Astrological principles can explain the results then it

was possible before the event too, because the rules have not changed. So

obviously this represents the capacity/capability of Astrology.

> >

> > The performance of the Astrologer, therefore, lies squarely in being able to

predict the event before hand which would then be the performance of the

astrologer.

> >

> > The better an astrologer is at picking the wheat from the chaff, or

identifying the SIGNAL from a babel of Astrological NOISE, the better the

receiver is!

> >

> > While astrology and its performance is pretty straight forward and stable

(success rate pretty much near 100% in post-fact analysis), the performance of

the astrologer is very complex and varies from time to time due to many factors,

such as:

> >

> > = Astrological knowledge and experience of course

> > = Mental calmness

> > = Interference (sometimes positive) of non-astrological faculties

> > = The level of trust or mistrust between nativity and astrologer (tends to

be more of a factor in internet settings as we have seen when certain pressing

questions are asked by the astrologer). This would include the 'defensiveness'

and over-caution astrologers may feel when responding in a public forum when

they suspect a 'trap'.

> > = perhaps many other factors as well...

> >

> > OBVIOUSLY, based on the astrologer's personality, personal

agenda/interest/focus and general experience as an astrologer and a mature human

being, some of the above factors can be put aside or attenuated in a

professional manner!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Rohiniranjan

> >

> >

> > , " Inder " <indervohra2001@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Narinder,

> > > What you say is really interesting and right.

> > > Although Astrology is science or art of predictions of future events but

it is really true that prediction is most difficult and many times go wrong. And

many many astrologers are just cheating very cleverely.

> > > And many who try to see things go for broad analysis whether time running

is good or bad etc, and which planet causing bad or good happenings etc.

> > > Post analysis is easy to do as you can easily find some bad things in

placement or navamsa or sub or dasa bhukti etc

> > > Injury to fingers is not easily seen in your chart.

> > > As I see your chart Aries lagna as Mars is 8th and 1st house is prone to

injuries.

> > > Star lord and sublord Venus and Jupiter as sub sub makes sure that you are

saved from bad accidents.

> > > Coming to your Sat dasa it is in 12th house in the star of Jupiter and sub

of Rahu and sub-sub of Ketu.

> > > Jup at star level is indicating 4th, 5th. 6th,9th 10th and 11th giving you

good openings, except that with Mars in 4th prone to injury.

> > > Rahu indicates 1st house placement and 3rd,8th, and 12th interlinkages.

This is a major problem.

> > > Rahu in 1st in Aries giving you big ideas, enhanced sexulity, prone to

injury and connection with 12th Saturn meaning losses of part of body.

> > > However it is OK for profession as 8th and 12th and 3rd is 11th, 3rd and

6th from 10th. But at personal level lot of mental turmoil, losses, misery and

problems.

> > > I wish you all the best. Moon antra is running which is in Dhanista- Sat

Mars Mars area, with problem thinggs shold settle for good.

> > > Inder

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Shashi Shekher \ " Shaaswat\ " "

<polite_astro@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >                                     ll HARE RAM ll  

> > > > Dear Mr.Narinder,

> > > > " But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is

science of

> > > > hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what

none of

> > > > them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by

some to

> > > > fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

> > > > Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a

side

> > > > business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of 

fact  No

> > > > one in this world can predict the future. No one. "  

> > > >

> > > > While i am an astrologer even though i am completely agreed with your

views.Just to read few books one astrologer declares himself " Jyotish Vishaarad "

and starts giving predictions with full of authority.All most all the " Upaadhis "

can be bought in the market just giving some donation. " Saadhnaa " or

" Guru-Shishya Parampara " has been finished.You will be surprised that i started

this divine learning under the guidance of three Gurus in 1987 but i could not

arrange the dare to predict before 2003.I had a note book of " Capital " so called

copy these days and placed on the floor in front of Guru ji,they tested weekly

and punished with sticks if we told wrong about Nakshatra or yoga etc.I

observed, there was a practice too these days that the querent went to

an astrologer on his birth day or on the new year day and asked him only for

coming year only about incidents and their remedies and it was easier for

astrologer to explain.No one astrologer can predict

> > > > for life long in one time.One Bhava has around hundred of questions.So

how can one astrologer say about the tweleve Bhava's detailed in one

time.Further one horoscope takes around two hours for reading before giving any

prediction.So it is not possible too for one to take such time on net.

> > > > Now about you in very much brief, Saturn Mahadasa is not favorable at

all as it has extreme enemity with ascendant lord Mars.It is the lord of 6th to

6th=11th house means accidents + income mainly + lord of 10th house too the

house of Karma placed in 12th house Aakaash Tava, abroad & hospital.So you had

to immigrate in the said period.11th house also belong to left hand and so you

had to face such accident in MD & AD of Saturn and PD of Mercury that is lord of

6th melafic house and aspecting such Saturn placed in own house alongwith Sun.

> > > >  

> > > > God bless

> > > > Shashi Shekhar " shaaswat "

> > > >  

> > > > Shashi S.Sharma

> > > >

> > > > [Vedic Astrologer & Gems Advisor]

> > > > [Member-Planetary Gemologists Association,Bangkok,Thailand]

> > > > www.freewebs.com/astroremedies,Blog:www.shaaswatjyotish.blogspot.com

> > > > Delhi,Cell-09818310075, E-mail: polite_astro@

> > > > [Private consultation is chargeable.Please contact me

in shaaswat.jyotish@ ]

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Live and Let Live  

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 3/29/09, narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > narinder sharma <nksharmasoftastro@>

> > > > Re: Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make

people fool

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, March 29, 2009, 6:45 AM

> > > >

> > > > Respected All

> > > > Though always believed astrology as my grand mother, grand fathers were

well

> > > > known astrologer of their times. I too learned the same but did not

adopt it as

> > > > profession.

> > > >

> > > > But recent incidence of my life  made me to convince astrology is

science of

> > > > hit and trial based upon. There are so many practices, recent is KP what

none of

> > > > them is complete in itself.  Now days its only a business adopted by

some to

> > > > fool or confuse others. Every one claims the best knowledge one possess.

> > > > Thousands of advocates, professors, accountants have adopted it as a

side

> > > > business. Hundred of sites offers predictions.  But as a matter of 

fact  No

> > > > one in this world can predict the future. No one. 

> > > >

> > > > Let me be precise, My date of birth is 25 sept 1966 time 19.55 , place

of birth

> > > > Una H.P, India, I am running saturn since  apr. 2007. I immigrated to

canada on

> > > > 25th december 2007. Since long i asked so many astoroger inculding JR,

to let me

> > > > know either this dasha was good for me or not for my career. I got

always

> > > > confusng double sided reply. No specfic answer. Any ways no one told

even hinted

> > > > about the accident i recently met. Even i could not see any reason for

this. I

> > > > challenge all the astrologers let alone any prediction just see how this

> > > > happened,. I met accident at work place. Three fingers  of left hand

crushed in

> > > > machine. This is not a small incident in which person looses the part of

body. I

> > > > am going to be operated on 30 march in toronto to cut fingers off as

badly

> > > > crushed- no blood supply to fingers. I was asking astologers to see the

chance

> > > > of getting job in my IT field. But no one could even hint that this

would

> > > > happen.

> > > >

> > > > I CALLENGE ALL THE ASTROGERS OF ALL PRACTICES TO JUST JUSTIFY THIS

> > > > MIS-HAPPENING IN ASTROLOGY.  BUT I KNOW NO ONE WILL BE ABLE TO DO THIS.

> > > >

> > > > MY HOROSCOPE IS ACCURATE AND NO NEED TO SAY MAY BE THIS WRONGLY

CALCULATED.

> > > >   

> > > >  sorry for harsh words,

> > > >

> > > > Narinder Sharma 5, Rowntree Road Etobicoke, Toronto    

> > > >

> > > > --- On Sun, 29/3/09, panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@>

> > > > Re: is jyotish really a science or a tool to make people

fool

> > > >

> > > > Sunday, 29 March, 2009, 12:09 AM

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > dear sureshji

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > firstly i appreciate your positive faith in astrology without which you

would

> > > > not have posted yet another query seeking guidance even after not

hearing a

> > > > realistic prediction specific to your missing son from 150 odd

astrologers.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > however, since you used the word kidnapped, kindly advise what is he

studying

> > > > and from where he was kidnapped and who saw him kidnapped. since we

dont know

> > > > whether he is missed, left on his own, not traceable or kidnapped,

kindly give

> > > > this much details as per your last available information and then we use

> > > > astrology as well as clairvoyance and guide you suitably.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > but please bear in mind that we read and say something in this group

freely

> > > > based on our limited knowledge and capacities and you are at liberty to

trash it

> > > > if you find it wrong or appreciate it if you find it right, for it is

not a paid

> > > > suggestion from accenture consulting or boston consulting group.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > >

> > > > pandit arjun

> > > >

> > > > www.rudraksharemedy .com

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " sureshkhandelwal "

> > > > <sureshkhandelwal@ ...> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > respected gurujans,

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > i am sorry to say, but it seems astrology is just an art for making

people

> > > > fool . AS i have visited at least 150 astrologers and even given my

problem at

> > > > various sites, but of no avail. My son Chirag was kidnapped on

17/8/2008,5. 10

> > > > pm and after that i have enquired many renowed astrologersbut of no

avial.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > every other astrologers reaches at different conclusion by the same

> > > > janamkundli, if it is a science then every astrologers should reach at

same

> > > > conclusion, like in mathematics 2+2 is always 4 whereever you go.

> > > >

> > > > > I again gives details of my son:

> > > >

> > > > > Name: Chirag

> > > >

> > > > > dob 23/8/1991

> > > >

> > > > > tob 10.39 am

> > > >

> > > > > pob delhi

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > can any astrolger tell with certainty that what has/will happen

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > > i m sorry for harsh words but it seems so.

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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