Guest guest Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Date of Birth 17th August 1972 Time - 8.20pm Place - Rewa. (M.P.) Dear Members, This is a interesting case for study and matches much of the parameters required to get inside the configurations which make one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated, complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely. Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations- I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time andother work to attend to. Moon - a) Debilitated. b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb. c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect. d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect. e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn. What does it mean ? - 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able. Would be depraved mentality. 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage. He would not be able to marry early in the first case. 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type people., given to drinking,eating and all types of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated. The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there. Its self explanatory. His mother herself would be the biggest badha in this mans Life. due to..... 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind, depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits, depressed nerves, licentious habits, perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise entaglements with low company.self undoing. All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system and the mind. he will become self-indulgent. hallucinations would persist most of the time and he would be in a state of Utiopia. The 5th and 9th house a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house. b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above. c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect. d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune in close conjunction. f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the 6th Lord. The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good. This manwould be a selfish natured and self centered person trying to take advantage of one and all, 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises. h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru, for he would disrespct his gurus after a certain period of association with them, he would insult them and cause grief to them thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them. He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse with his own Gurus wife. So he has done in the past births as the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm., reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother. So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him. Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too, for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him, which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy his perverted demand of Lusts. he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the 9th house. Will come with more inputs later...... This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon, and mercury combined with neptune with a aspect of saturn and Mars, and a afflicted 5th and 9th house. BHASKAR. www.shrikrishnajyotish.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji Can you tell the name of person, to whom you have study???? Regards Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: Date of Birth 17th August 1972 Time - 8.20pm Place - Rewa. (M.P.) Dear Members, This is a interesting case for study and matches much of the parameters required to get inside the configurations which make one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated, complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely. Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations- I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time andother work to attend to. Moon - a) Debilitated. b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb. c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect. d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect. e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn. What does it mean ? - 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able. Would be depraved mentality. 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage. He would not be able to marry early in the first case. 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type people., given to drinking,eating and all types of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated. The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there. Its self explanatory. His mother herself would be the biggest badha in this mans Life. due to..... 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind, depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits, depressed nerves, licentious habits, perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise entaglements with low company.self undoing. All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system and the mind. he will become self-indulgent. hallucinations would persist most of the time and he would be in a state of Utiopia. The 5th and 9th house a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house. b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above. c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect. d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune in close conjunction. f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the 6th Lord. The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good. This manwould be a selfish natured and self centered person trying to take advantage of one and all, 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises. h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru, for he would disrespct his gurus after a certain period of association with them, he would insult them and cause grief to them thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them. He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse with his own Gurus wife. So he has done in the past births as the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm., reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother. So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him. Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too, for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him, which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy his perverted demand of Lusts. he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the 9th house. Will come with more inputs later...... This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon, and mercury combined with neptune with a aspect of saturn and Mars, and a afflicted 5th and 9th house. BHASKAR. www.shrikrishnajyotish.com Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Dear Bhaskar, I would also pass on the details of one person. Subject has similar combination. 25 June 1978 Time 21:30 Hrs Place Burnpur, Asansol (WB) Also I would like to understand if the moon aspect (7th) by Saturn and mars makes person suicidal as well? Regards Sandeep On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:03 AM, sandeep khare <sandeep_khare2000 wrote: > Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji > > Can you tell the name of person, to whom you have study???? > > Regards > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises <rajiventerprises%40hathway.com>> > wrote: > Date of Birth > 17th August 1972 > Time - 8.20pm > Place - Rewa. (M.P.) > > Dear Members, > This is a interesting case for study and matches much > of the parameters required > to get inside the configurations which make > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated, > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely. > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations- > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time > andother work to attend to. > > Moon - > > a) Debilitated. > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb. > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect. > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect. > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn. > > What does it mean ? - > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able. > Would be depraved mentality. > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage. > He would not be able to marry early in the first case. > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type > people., given to drinking,eating and all types > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated. > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there. > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would > be the biggest badha in this mans Life. > due to..... > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind, > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits, > depressed nerves, licentious habits, > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise > entaglements with low company.self undoing. > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent. > hallucinations would persist most of the time > and he would be in a state of Utiopia. > > The 5th and 9th house > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house. > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above. > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect. > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune > in close conjunction. > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the > 6th Lord. > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good. > This manwould be a selfish natured and self > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all, > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises. > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru, > for he would disrespct his gurus after a > certain period of association with them, > he would insult them and cause grief to them > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them. > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse > with his own Gurus wife. > So he has done in the past births as > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm., > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother. > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him. > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too, > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him, > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy > his perverted demand of Lusts. > > he will have a problem with his own > father as seen from the 9th house. > > Will come with more inputs later...... > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon, > and mercury combined with neptune > with a aspect of saturn and Mars, > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house. > > BHASKAR. > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it > now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Dear Shri Sandeepji, I know you to be a intelligent person from the past exchanges. This one you will have to figure out for yourself, I do not wish to open any controversies on this Forum. regards, Bhaskar. , sandeep khare <sandeep_khare2000 wrote: > > Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji > > Can you tell the name of person, to whom you have study???? > > Regards > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: > Date of Birth > 17th August 1972 > Time - 8.20pm > Place - Rewa. (M.P.) > > Dear Members, > This is a interesting case for study and matches much > of the parameters required > to get inside the configurations which make > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated, > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely. > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations- > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time > andother work to attend to. > > Moon - > > a) Debilitated. > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb. > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect. > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect. > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn. > > What does it mean ? - > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able. > Would be depraved mentality. > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage. > He would not be able to marry early in the first case. > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type > people., given to drinking,eating and all types > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated. > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there. > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would > be the biggest badha in this mans Life. > due to..... > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind, > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits, > depressed nerves, licentious habits, > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise > entaglements with low company.self undoing. > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent. > hallucinations would persist most of the time > and he would be in a state of Utiopia. > > The 5th and 9th house > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house. > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above. > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect. > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune > in close conjunction. > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the > 6th Lord. > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good. > This manwould be a selfish natured and self > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all, > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises. > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru, > for he would disrespct his gurus after a > certain period of association with them, > he would insult them and cause grief to them > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them. > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse > with his own Gurus wife. > So he has done in the past births as > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm., > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother. > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him. > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too, > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him, > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy > his perverted demand of Lusts. > > he will have a problem with his own > father as seen from the 9th house. > > Will come with more inputs later...... > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon, > and mercury combined with neptune > with a aspect of saturn and Mars, > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house. > > BHASKAR. > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Dear Sandeepji, Have to rush for work. Will reply probably in the evening. regards, Bhaskar. , " s g " <sg.1000 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar, > > I would also pass on the details of one person. Subject has similar > combination. > > 25 June 1978 > Time 21:30 Hrs > Place Burnpur, Asansol (WB) > > Also I would like to understand if the moon aspect (7th) by Saturn and mars > makes person suicidal as well? > > Regards > Sandeep > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 11:03 AM, sandeep khare <sandeep_khare2000 > wrote: > > > Dear Shri Bhaskar Ji > > > > Can you tell the name of person, to whom you have study???? > > > > Regards > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises <rajiventerprises%40hathway.com>> > > wrote: > > Date of Birth > > 17th August 1972 > > Time - 8.20pm > > Place - Rewa. (M.P.) > > > > Dear Members, > > This is a interesting case for study and matches much > > of the parameters required > > to get inside the configurations which make > > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated, > > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely. > > > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations- > > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time > > andother work to attend to. > > > > Moon - > > > > a) Debilitated. > > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb. > > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect. > > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect. > > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn. > > > > What does it mean ? - > > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able. > > Would be depraved mentality. > > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage. > > He would not be able to marry early in the first case. > > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type > > people., given to drinking,eating and all types > > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot > > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too > > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which > > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated. > > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there. > > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would > > be the biggest badha in this mans Life. > > due to..... > > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind, > > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits, > > depressed nerves, licentious habits, > > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise > > entaglements with low company.self undoing. > > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system > > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent. > > hallucinations would persist most of the time > > and he would be in a state of Utiopia. > > > > The 5th and 9th house > > > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house. > > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above. > > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect. > > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House > > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune > > in close conjunction. > > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the > > 6th Lord. > > > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva > > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good. > > This manwould be a selfish natured and self > > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all, > > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises. > > > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru, > > for he would disrespct his gurus after a > > certain period of association with them, > > he would insult them and cause grief to them > > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them. > > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse > > with his own Gurus wife. > > So he has done in the past births as > > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm., > > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother. > > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him. > > > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too, > > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him, > > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy > > his perverted demand of Lusts. > > > > he will have a problem with his own > > father as seen from the 9th house. > > > > Will come with more inputs later...... > > > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon, > > and mercury combined with neptune > > with a aspect of saturn and Mars, > > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house. > > > > BHASKAR. > > www.shrikrishnajyotish.com > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it > > now. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Namaste friends, I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data. Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some people on this list and there may be some background to this that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments. In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below. Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that lives within one. This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart. I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to express them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha padas are very important. Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical experiences and visions. With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions. Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart. * * * Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me. You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief. You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D-24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will become a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things. Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you develop true humility. Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do not go around touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please realize that there is much much more to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not stagnate where you are now. Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms. Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much is expected from you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you. * * * I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments on some sentiments I observed here. If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman (field of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access to, She may do it because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and " achievements " seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has to play. No more and no less. If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role to play and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely does not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology. A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her siddhis or other so-called achievements. Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety. They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, even when walking and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality and how it works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course, expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds of mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects of maayaa. Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical. Best regards, Narasimha Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam Spirituality: Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > Date of Birth > 17th August 1972 > Time - 8.20pm > Place - Rewa. (M.P.) > > Dear Members, > This is a interesting case for study and matches much > of the parameters required > to get inside the configurations which make > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated, > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely. > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations- > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time > andother work to attend to. > > Moon - > > a) Debilitated. > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb. > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect. > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect. > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn. > > What does it mean ? - > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able. > Would be depraved mentality. > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage. > He would not be able to marry early in the first case. > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type > people., given to drinking,eating and all types > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated. > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there. > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would > be the biggest badha in this mans Life. > due to..... > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind, > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits, > depressed nerves, licentious habits, > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise > entaglements with low company.self undoing. > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent. > hallucinations would persist most of the time > and he would be in a state of Utiopia. > > > The 5th and 9th house > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house. > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above. > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect. > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune > in close conjunction. > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the > 6th Lord. > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good. > This manwould be a selfish natured and self > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all, > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises. > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru, > for he would disrespct his gurus after a > certain period of association with them, > he would insult them and cause grief to them > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them. > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse > with his own Gurus wife. > So he has done in the past births as > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm., > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother. > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him. > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too, > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him, > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy > his perverted demand of Lusts. > > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the 9th > house. > > Will just say this much today..... > A,m busy in other important work.... > Will come with more inputs later...... > > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins > and a outcaste by Actions, on the > asytrological Forums. > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon, > and mercury combined with neptune > with a aspect of saturn and Mars, > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house. > > > BHASKAR. 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Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Shree Narsimha Rao ji, You should enter any thread only when necessary, to provide justice, but one sided justice does not seem humane or ethical, on the contrary senseless and smacks of Upmanship. Did I ever try to show any superiority over Your system in Your groups or anywhere else, when i know I can predict well,through gods Grace, then most of your shishyas. No never. By your post you have given more impetus to the negative traits prevalent in this person, and these will now surface more with the misguided support you have given him. Without knowing the matter one should not jump in any thread. Do You think I cannot see any positives in this persons chart ? If there was not any positive then how could he have born a human ? Your defending a evil person at this juncture does not show any richness in your pyschologocal set-up. Why not did you come in the thread to show the positives when this person who chart is discussed about by you, spoke negatively on another chart ? Where was your justice then ? I do now wish to speak like this with you, but unfortunately you people sitting on elevated thrones given to you by the foreigners, who have been your students, has made you, unbearable of any other person having the cake anywhere. The Big Fish must eat the small fish, this dictum, is to be continued in Astrolgy too. I can discuss very well on this chart on many points which you have expressed, and prove them not to be true, without using Jamini system of copurse, BUT it does not behove well, to do so, infront of a spiritually known Master like Your goodself. I have told you before too, that an ounce of spiritual action, is better than an Quintal of pravachans. There are many points on which I disagree with you, both spiritually, astrologically, and can debate, but do not wish to be disrespectful to a person who has given us " Jagannath Hora " But You have spoiled this person further with this mail of Yours.You have done harm to spirituality,astrology and other good humans with this action on your part.. Let us see more of the predictive side of your system through your mails, by helping few natives coming here on the Forums, rather than a character anaylsis made by a VIP entering the assembly once in a Blue Moon. You have also commented on My Mars and Rahu aspecting Lagna., and you have given advice to the gentleman, not to have such type of influence on himself . I am sorry Shri narsimharaoji, You should not have done so, you should not have put your hand behind the back of a person claiming to have Darshan of Ma and being a spiritual Master,and also claiming to be a know all in astrology,and treating elders with disresopect. You have behaved like Indra, who got scared of his seat bing unsurped. Sir, I am small fry anf no threat to you, Yes but I can predict with Gods grace and do not live on character analysis, I am and was never interested to be a King ever,and always enjoy tobe among the praja, and never to be a Raja. Just for your assurance. You have disappointed me with this untruthful and wrong astrological analsysis full of defects. A re-run of the Jamini system , after removal of the additions made by you, and the interpolations d inardevntly, would make You a better astrologer. with respect and humble good wishes, Bhaskar. , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data. > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some people on this list and there may be some background to this that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments. > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below. > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that lives within one. > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart. > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to express them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha padas are very important. > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical experiences and visions. > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions. > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart. > > * * * > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me. > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief. > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D-24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will become a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things. > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you develop true humility. > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do not go around touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please realize that there is much much more to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not stagnate where you are now. > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms. > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much is expected from you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you. > > * * * > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments on some sentiments I observed here. > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman (field of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access to, She may do it because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and " achievements " seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has to play. No more and no less. > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role to play and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely does not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology. > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her siddhis or other so-called achievements. > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety. They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, even when walking and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality and how it works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course, expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds of mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects of maayaa. > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Date of Birth > > 17th August 1972 > > Time - 8.20pm > > Place - Rewa. (M.P.) > > > > Dear Members, > > This is a interesting case for study and matches much > > of the parameters required > > to get inside the configurations which make > > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated, > > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely. > > > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations- > > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time > > andother work to attend to. > > > > Moon - > > > > a) Debilitated. > > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb. > > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect. > > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect. > > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn. > > > > What does it mean ? - > > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able. > > Would be depraved mentality. > > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage. > > He would not be able to marry early in the first case. > > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type > > people., given to drinking,eating and all types > > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot > > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too > > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which > > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated. > > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there. > > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would > > be the biggest badha in this mans Life. > > due to..... > > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind, > > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits, > > depressed nerves, licentious habits, > > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise > > entaglements with low company.self undoing. > > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system > > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent. > > hallucinations would persist most of the time > > and he would be in a state of Utiopia. > > > > > > The 5th and 9th house > > > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house. > > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above. > > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect. > > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House > > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune > > in close conjunction. > > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the > > 6th Lord. > > > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva > > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good. > > This manwould be a selfish natured and self > > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all, > > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises. > > > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru, > > for he would disrespct his gurus after a > > certain period of association with them, > > he would insult them and cause grief to them > > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them. > > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse > > with his own Gurus wife. > > So he has done in the past births as > > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm., > > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother. > > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him. > > > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too, > > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him, > > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy > > his perverted demand of Lusts. > > > > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the 9th > > house. > > > > Will just say this much today..... > > A,m busy in other important work.... > > Will come with more inputs later...... > > > > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli > > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester > > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins > > and a outcaste by Actions, on the > > asytrological Forums. > > > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon, > > and mercury combined with neptune > > with a aspect of saturn and Mars, > > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house. > > > > > > BHASKAR. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear narasimha ji i request u to not mix the systems ,neither u and me knows this mixing b4 the sjc schools came into being ,even u will agree ur respected parampara ( i mean family ) was not doing it . so i cant take this exchenge of lord s and thing like that . also he has serious flaws in his chart and even last one yr i requested him many times to consider it and correct it .The vision no body is sure ,if its hallucination or real unless one himself try himself to work on it other wise i hav all the respect to u and my wishes for u . he suffer frm serious past life problems and also this life sins intoxicated by some mediocre success and those problems reflected in his behavoir too .cant u see why keep on fighting with only astro gurus who helped him .Now if u come out to help him its ur turn next . if u wanna i can sent u mails to prove it ,how he invites ppls and uses and then order them to teach ,is it is the sign of spiritual progress or is it is spiritual fall .Do we ever behav such a way if some one teach u even one axiom .U search iin this grp itslef u can find he come with doubts and orders others to explain .do u think its not behavoural defeciency some phychic problem . i congratulate u for providing us the gr8 astro SW j hora . but u should hav the courage to say what is right and what is wrong .Its not the students job to carry the load of sins of gurus hope u understands ,if any way i hurt u sorry . I hav all my respect and wishes for u and ur gr8 mission regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data. > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some people on this list and there may be some background to this that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments. > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below. > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that lives within one. > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart. > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to express them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha padas are very important. > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical experiences and visions. > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions. > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart. > > * * * > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me. > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief. > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D-24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will become a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things. > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you develop true humility. > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do not go around touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please realize that there is much much more to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not stagnate where you are now. > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms. > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much is expected from you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you. > > * * * > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments on some sentiments I observed here. > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman (field of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access to, She may do it because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and " achievements " seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has to play. No more and no less. > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role to play and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely does not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology. > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her siddhis or other so-called achievements. > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety. They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, even when walking and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality and how it works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course, expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds of mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects of maayaa. > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Dear P.V.R. Rao ji, Kindly accept my thanks to you for the upgraded version of JHora. Feel, you are apparently being invited by somebody to defend himself, is using your good name . Those who know this person closely, would NOT agree to your astro_analysis which are quite OFF mark, thanks to your carefully worded message, else, it would surely disappointed the general users of JHORA that a person behind such software, can make so many " incorrect predictions " !! It appears debilitated planets in trines are more desirable to anything else. Is this a new SJC rule P.V.R. Rao ji ?? Debilitated planets in other horoscopes is bad, but in SJC selected horoscopes which includes the subject of discussion hororscope, it is all gives good results ?? Do we need to redefine the astro_classics to include the new findings, PVR Raoji ?? Kindly do consider putting this " famous chart " as a default hororscopes in all your future releases of JHORA with your analysis - Probably one day realization may dawn upon you. If you are scared that he would tarnish your image with his expletives is a reason for your rushing to his support, as he is often seen in every group, then you have my assurance, that I will stand by you against this man with all my other friends and ammunition. Else, should we think or conclude that, you are really defending this " fallen person " , it would be very sad day to know a person of your nature, should fall prey to his loopsided spirituality, further, you should also partake some of his bad karma for the same reason. Naramsimha ji, you are nice person with some virtuous qualities, use them to side with goodness, but not for the fallen soul. Probably you do not know anything of this person's behavior or you are all out to make him and accord your SJC Guru-doom ship to him in the nearest future !! Narasimhaji, I still have respect for you and your contribution to the software and your sincerity shown in certain matters through various debates, but your blind support in this case, without asking, makes me to re-think of the image that I have long carried. It is never too late for anything....I would personally request you to seriously rethink on above. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " > pvr@ wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful > data. > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between > some people on this list and there may be some background to this > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I > want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if you do > not welcome my comments. > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below. > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one. > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over > the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in > 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart. > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if > in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to express > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha > padas are very important. > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. > The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is > conducive to mystical experiences and visions. > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions. > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it > is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am > stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart. > > > > * * * > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer > a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism > from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me. > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end > of the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief. > > > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in > D-24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You > will become a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility > is a great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this > subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I > learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in the > last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know > several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I > know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not > saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the > mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things. > > > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some > humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and > less arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace, > after you develop true humility. > > > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of > mystical experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more > progress and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion > and keep your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise > in the public. Do not go around touting things or giving the > impression of touting. Please realize that there is much much more > to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more > discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not > stagnate where you are now. > > > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness > are both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned > people and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are > both Her forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and > short temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of > Her different forms. > > > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality > and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu > transiting on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality > for ever. So much is expected from you. Please live up to your chart > (or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome > your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and > also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you. > > > > * * * > > > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic > comments on some sentiments I observed here. > > > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean > that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While > Brahman (field of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also > known as Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master it. If > She gives someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that other > people do not have access to, She may do it because of some reason. > Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources > needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without > ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage > calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and " achievements " > seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make more > noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming > liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even > give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of > which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge > and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has > to play. No more and no less. > > > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or > other mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has > a role to play and those experiences are needed for that role. It > absolutely does not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever > he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be > clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas > are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over > some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology. > > > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them > when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from > his/her siddhis or other so-called achievements. > > > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its > entirety. They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their > egos are fully killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja > samadhi all the time, even when walking and talking. Thus, they > understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality and how it > works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not > expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course, > expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds > of mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects > of maayaa. > > > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Shree Narsimharaoji. This gentleman invited me to his forum, which i joined most hesitatingly, as knew his nature , and as I had feared and imagined he rightly humiliated me a couple of times during my short stay there. Any normally any good person too, after inviting any one would behave gentlemanly with the invitee and not show disrespect or try to be overbearing, but would allow him to breathe on the alloted seat. But this man is not even normally good, as was envisged by me before joining the Forum, and i fell prey to his scheme of things. Just read his first post to me when I entered his Forum - // Sri Bhaskar Ji, Namaskaar, This is a different place to be and we all want to get ur frank views, here is nobody fake to do any mischeivious things. You are an experienced elderly person and after Narsimha if i liked anybody other than the Gurus of the group, it's you. You are required for the sake of astrology's relevance. regards, Lalit. // After I left the Forum as he was trying to downplay me all the time, he commented on my chart behind my back. And You call this person spiritual. He has also given unasked for negative predictions on my chart, which you have conveniently seem to ignore, but when I put his chart with analysis of only one planet, you make a hue and cry over his spirituality which is'non-existent ? (If i start commenting on the other planets in his chart then the heavens will come down and the sky would fall). Have you seen my chart and studied it ? Or have you studied and ignored it ? Did you not see the MahaBhagya Yoga in my chart,or the Kaivalya as per the Jamini system you project to have mastery in ? Did You check my Vimsamsa (Chart) ? Where were your comments then, if you had checked just these 3,you would not have commented positive on his spirtuality. But instead you chose to comment negative on me just like him, that Mars influences Simha Lagna..... Is this the right behaviour from a respected Guru ? And his spirituality would be seen very well by You, if you spend some time reading his posts on the various Forums, and also when you happen to stop being affectiomnate to him, he will kick You as he did to me and so many others, who kept their hands on his back. What type of astrology you are doing I am unable to understand, You call this ,man spiritual, when he is just a trickster, pompous brat who does not know how to talk, behave, and remain a proper human being, forget becoming good. he is just interested in hoodwinking the members of his group, especially the female foreigners by showing himself a very spiritual person of india, and a very knowledgable astrologer. We read about such persons daily in the newspapers. And You call him spiritual ? regards, Bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data. > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some people on this list and there may be some background to this that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments. > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below. > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that lives within one. > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart. > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to express them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha padas are very important. > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical experiences and visions. > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions. > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart. > > * * * > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me. > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief. > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D-24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will become a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things. > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you develop true humility. > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do not go around touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please realize that there is much much more to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not stagnate where you are now. > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms. > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much is expected from you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you. > > * * * > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments on some sentiments I observed here. > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman (field of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access to, She may do it because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and " achievements " seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has to play. No more and no less. > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role to play and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely does not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology. > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her siddhis or other so-called achievements. > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety. They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, even when walking and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality and how it works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course, expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds of mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects of maayaa. > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical. > > Best regards, > Narasimha Hari Om, Narasimha. I m very glad to see that finally one person see in that chart and positive things. I look in chart just now few and I see good chart, except that moon, but Mangal have drishti on the own house, little problem with ego. Retrograde Jupiter aspect that mooon in nine bhava, and form Sunapha yoga. Shani its another story, but consist good dhana yoga. Fifth bhava excellent for Jyotishvidya , with Ketu and Mercury. Fifth bhava receive drishti from retrograde Jupiter from Ninth bhava. Six bhava is excellent with drishti from Jupiter again from tenth bhava. And many more things. But dear Lalit, you have very hard transit now, try to run from that six bhava, and run to your tenth bhava with Jupiter, only darmic deed, with appropriate attitude for Brahmin, not fight with saturn and Mars karakatvas, haha. . You will see that is the best solution for you. I don t know you or another person in that debate but your chart it is not just evil and bad, you remember that. Bad transit and nothing more. And very soon you have run Venus mahadasha and will be many thing better. Best regards, ashwini > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Date of Birth > > 17th August 1972 > > Time - 8.20pm > > Place - Rewa. (M.P.) > > > > Dear Members, > > This is a interesting case for study and matches much > > of the parameters required > > to get inside the configurations which make > > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated, > > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely. > > > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations- > > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time > > andother work to attend to. > > > > Moon - > > > > a) Debilitated. > > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb. > > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect. > > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect. > > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn. > > > > What does it mean ? - > > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able. > > Would be depraved mentality. > > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage. > > He would not be able to marry early in the first case. > > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type > > people., given to drinking,eating and all types > > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot > > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too > > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which > > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated. > > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there. > > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would > > be the biggest badha in this mans Life. > > due to..... > > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind, > > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits, > > depressed nerves, licentious habits, > > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise > > entaglements with low company.self undoing. > > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system > > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent. > > hallucinations would persist most of the time > > and he would be in a state of Utiopia. > > > > > > The 5th and 9th house > > > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house. > > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above. > > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect. > > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House > > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune > > in close conjunction. > > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the > > 6th Lord. > > > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva > > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good. > > This manwould be a selfish natured and self > > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all, > > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises. > > > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru, > > for he would disrespct his gurus after a > > certain period of association with them, > > he would insult them and cause grief to them > > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them. > > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse > > with his own Gurus wife. > > So he has done in the past births as > > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm., > > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother. > > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him. > > > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too, > > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him, > > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy > > his perverted demand of Lusts. > > > > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the 9th > > house. > > > > Will just say this much today..... > > A,m busy in other important work.... > > Will come with more inputs later...... > > > > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli > > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester > > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins > > and a outcaste by Actions, on the > > asytrological Forums. > > > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon, > > and mercury combined with neptune > > with a aspect of saturn and Mars, > > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house. > > > > > > BHASKAR. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Namaste Narasimha ji, Let me give a small glimpse of the person you are vouching or putting your own credentials at risk. When he started a group, he had about TEN Gurus to guide him. About FIVE of them left for various reasons. News Ones Added. Do not know about them for never heard or seen them writing in other groups, so cannot judge them, neither want to do that activity, for it is left to members to judge. He learnt basics of Astrology from his greatest guru - Rup Krishen Baqaya, whose name he deleted from the Guru's list for some strong differences between them. Similarly, he took advantage of Sunil Nair, now he is removed from the group. Then he took services of Bhaskar, who had a scare of his life { if I am permitted to exaggerate it for humor reasons}, he left his group. Later, the group owner started to slander him in his own group - i.e. at the backstabbing. It is the same Rup Krishen Baqaya sought services of Bhaskar, for a personal reading, may be he is going through a bad patch of his life. There are still 4-5 vacancies in the Guru's list. Possibly, he would add your name in his list of Gurus, tomorrow, delete it later should you not respond or go against him. Let him honestly admit this, should he be really spiritual. Should you still wanting to support him, which you are free to do. But, then be prepared to repent that the habitual nature of this person's slander, would one day, effect you - it is a question of time for someone who has done this more than 5-6 times, that you also join this bandwagon. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data. > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some people on this list and there may be some background to this that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments. > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below. > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that lives within one. > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart. > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to express them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha padas are very important. > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical experiences and visions. > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions. > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart. > > * * * > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me. > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief. > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D-24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will become a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things. > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you develop true humility. > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do not go around touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please realize that there is much much more to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not stagnate where you are now. > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms. > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much is expected from you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you. > > * * * > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments on some sentiments I observed here. > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman (field of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access to, She may do it because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and " achievements " seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has to play. No more and no less. > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role to play and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely does not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology. > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her siddhis or other so-called achievements. > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety. They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, even when walking and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality and how it works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course, expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds of mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects of maayaa. > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical. > > Best regards, > Narasimha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Namaste Narasimha ji, > > Let me give a small glimpse of the person you are vouching or putting > your own credentials at risk. > > When he started a group, he had about TEN Gurus to guide him. About > FIVE of them left for various reasons. News Ones Added. Do not know > about them for never heard or seen them writing in other groups, so > cannot judge them, neither want to do that activity, for it is left to > members to judge. > > He learnt basics of Astrology from his greatest guru - Rup Krishen > Baqaya, whose name he deleted from the Guru's list for some strong > differences between them. Similarly, he took advantage of Sunil Nair, > now he is removed from the group. Then he took services of Bhaskar, > who had a scare of his life { if I am permitted to exaggerate it for > humor reasons}, he left his group. Later, the group owner started to > slander him in his own group - i.e. at the backstabbing. > > It is the same Rup Krishen Baqaya sought services of Bhaskar, for a > personal reading, may be he is going through a bad patch of his life. > > There are still 4-5 vacancies in the Guru's list. Possibly, he would > add your name in his list of Gurus, tomorrow, delete it later should you > not respond or go against him. > > Let him honestly admit this, should he be really spiritual. > > Should you still wanting to support him, which you are free to do. > But, then be prepared to repent that the habitual nature of this > person's slander, would one day, effect you - it is a question of time > for someone who has done this more than 5-6 times, that you also join > this bandwagon. > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas Dear people, person it is not only " bad " things is own chart. Look at in two benefic in kendra? We only look in that moon in nine bhava, haha. Navamsha is good. That moon have benefice influence, it is not just disaster. That chart it is not only bad and evil. Nobody have perfect charts, even so called spiritual persons. So, will be good to look in the other things in chart, not only in negative aspect, and not to look in other things in chart which is excellent it is not objective. Best regards, ashwini > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest messages. > This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data. > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this data. > I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some people > on this list and there may be some background to this that I am unaware > of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few words > on this chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments. > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be very > very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below. > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery > sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite > short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa > (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that operate at > the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa purusha > (personified sin) that lives within one. > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the > top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. However, > Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has > rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the > savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These > factors give basic strength to the chart. > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in > debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) > in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great > blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas > (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While > feelings are intangible, the words used to express them are tangible. > The houses can show intangible matters, while their arudha padas show > tangible articles related to them. Arudha padas are very important. > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good for > spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The > lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna. > That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes. Chandra > Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of occult > experiences and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical > experiences and visions. > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions. > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is > possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating what > I honestly feel after looking at this chart. > > > > * * * > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a > couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from > me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me. > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th lord > is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting on > Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day > before breaking the fast is recommended for relief. > > > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D-24 > (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will become > a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a great > virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast > and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 > years back and spent a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and > researching Jyotish. Though I know several topics within Jyotish > reasonably well, I do know that what I know is much smaller than what is > still there to learn. I am not saying this to sound humble. I know it > for a fact. I marvel at the mastery of Parasara as I discover newer > things. > > > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some > humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less > arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you > develop true humility. > > > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical > experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress and > yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep your > spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do > not go around touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please > realize that there is much much more to be experienced and it will come > only when you develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger > things and please do not stagnate where you are now. > > > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are > both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people > and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her > forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper > and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of Her different > forms. > > > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality and > not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting on > natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much > is expected from you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my > judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot > nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and also give direction to > many spiritual seekers. You have it in you. > > > > * * * > > > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments > on some sentiments I observed here. > > > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean that > the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman (field > of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as Maayaa) is > infinite and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access > to some aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access to, > She may do it because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to > play and given the resources needed for playing that role. Some beings > play their role without ego and with a complete sense of surrender and > leave the stage calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and > " achievements " seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make > more noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming > liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even > give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of which > type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge and > experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has to > play. No more and no less. > > > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other > mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role to > play and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely does > not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is > correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other > aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of > this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over some aspects of maayaa > are masters of astrology. > > > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them > when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her > siddhis or other so-called achievements. > > > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety. > They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully > killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, > even when walking and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as > the entire field of duality and how it works. So they are masters of all > subjects. But, we should not expect to find any maharshis in today's > world. We can, of course, expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who > experience various kinds of mystical visions and yet have imperfect > knowledge of many aspects of maayaa. > > > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 dear Sri Narasimha, What a great analysis followed by excellent advise from ur end. I can only say that the native has been lucky to get ur analaysis and advise from ur end. Hopefully he takes it in the right spirit and pursue his aim to be a good star in the field of astrology in the coming years. good wishes, k.gopu ______________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras wrote: > > , " sreeram srinivas " > <sreeram64@> wrote: > > > > > > Namaste Narasimha ji, > > > > Let me give a small glimpse of the person you are vouching or putting > > your own credentials at risk. > > > > When he started a group, he had about TEN Gurus to guide him. About > > FIVE of them left for various reasons. News Ones Added. Do not know > > about them for never heard or seen them writing in other groups, so > > cannot judge them, neither want to do that activity, for it is left to > > members to judge. > > > > He learnt basics of Astrology from his greatest guru - Rup Krishen > > Baqaya, whose name he deleted from the Guru's list for some strong > > differences between them. Similarly, he took advantage of Sunil Nair, > > now he is removed from the group. Then he took services of Bhaskar, > > who had a scare of his life { if I am permitted to exaggerate it for > > humor reasons}, he left his group. Later, the group owner started to > > slander him in his own group - i.e. at the backstabbing. > > > > It is the same Rup Krishen Baqaya sought services of Bhaskar, for a > > personal reading, may be he is going through a bad patch of his life. > > > > There are still 4-5 vacancies in the Guru's list. Possibly, he would > > add your name in his list of Gurus, tomorrow, delete it later should you > > not respond or go against him. > > > > Let him honestly admit this, should he be really spiritual. > > > > Should you still wanting to support him, which you are free to do. > > But, then be prepared to repent that the habitual nature of this > > person's slander, would one day, effect you - it is a question of time > > for someone who has done this more than 5-6 times, that you also join > > this bandwagon. > > > > With regards, > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > Dear people, person it is not only " bad " things is own chart. Look at > in two benefic in kendra? We only look in that moon in nine bhava, > haha. Navamsha is good. That moon have benefice influence, it is not > just disaster. That chart it is not only bad and evil. Nobody have > perfect charts, even so called spiritual persons. > > So, will be good to look in the other things in chart, not only in > negative aspect, and not to look in other things in chart which is > excellent it is not objective. > > > Best regards, > ashwini Hari Om, Dear Lalit, if I can say something about how you can receive must benefit from spiritual life, in my opinion of course. I see in chart that the best thing for you will be that you have SataGuru and to serve him. Because with that Mangal in the six house in my opinion that Mangal is excellent for service of SataGuru. With that, many negative things in your chart will be neutralizes. With that move you will be neutralizes your weak moon, and some bad karakatvas from him. Best regards, ashwini > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest messages. > > This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data. > > > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this data. > > I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some people > > on this list and there may be some background to this that I am unaware > > of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few words > > on this chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments. > > > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be very > > very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental > > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below. > > > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th > > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery > > sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite > > short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa > > (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that operate at > > the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa purusha > > (personified sin) that lives within one. > > > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the > > top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. However, > > Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has > > rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the > > savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These > > factors give basic strength to the chart. > > > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so > > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in > > debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The > > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for > > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) > > in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great > > blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas > > (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While > > feelings are intangible, the words used to express them are tangible. > > The houses can show intangible matters, while their arudha padas show > > tangible articles related to them. Arudha padas are very important. > > > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good for > > spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual > > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The > > lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna. > > That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes. Chandra > > Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of occult > > experiences and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical > > experiences and visions. > > > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a > > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some > > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions. > > > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is > > possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating what > > I honestly feel after looking at this chart. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a > > couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from > > me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me. > > > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in > > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th lord > > is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting on > > Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day > > before breaking the fast is recommended for relief. > > > > > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D-24 > > (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will become > > a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a great > > virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast > > and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 > > years back and spent a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and > > researching Jyotish. Though I know several topics within Jyotish > > reasonably well, I do know that what I know is much smaller than what is > > still there to learn. I am not saying this to sound humble. I know it > > for a fact. I marvel at the mastery of Parasara as I discover newer > > things. > > > > > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some > > humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less > > arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you > > develop true humility. > > > > > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical > > experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress and > > yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep your > > spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do > > not go around touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please > > realize that there is much much more to be experienced and it will come > > only when you develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger > > things and please do not stagnate where you are now. > > > > > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are > > both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people > > and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her > > forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper > > and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of Her different > > forms. > > > > > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality and > > not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting on > > natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much > > is expected from you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my > > judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot > > nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and also give direction to > > many spiritual seekers. You have it in you. > > > > > > * * * > > > > > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and > > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments > > on some sentiments I observed here. > > > > > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean that > > the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman (field > > of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as Maayaa) is > > infinite and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access > > to some aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access to, > > She may do it because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to > > play and given the resources needed for playing that role. Some beings > > play their role without ego and with a complete sense of surrender and > > leave the stage calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and > > " achievements " seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make > > more noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming > > liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even > > give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of which > > type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge and > > experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has to > > play. No more and no less. > > > > > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other > > mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role to > > play and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely does > > not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is > > correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other > > aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of > > this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over some aspects of maayaa > > are masters of astrology. > > > > > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them > > when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her > > siddhis or other so-called achievements. > > > > > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety. > > They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully > > killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, > > even when walking and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as > > the entire field of duality and how it works. So they are masters of all > > subjects. But, we should not expect to find any maharshis in today's > > world. We can, of course, expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who > > experience various kinds of mystical visions and yet have imperfect > > knowledge of many aspects of maayaa. > > > > > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical. > > > > > > Best regards, > > > Narasimha > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Dear Shri Rao Without going into the astrological reasonings and counters thereto on the subject person's chart, which in any case is beyond my capability and irrespective of whatever criticisms that are hurled at you, I wish to assure you that the belief that the basic goodness is present in every human being is truly Satvik. Had it not been so we would not be recounting the episode of how the dreaded dacoit Ratnakar turned into the `Valmiki' and gave us the Ramayana. In fact the right circumstances and a strong determination coupled, of course, with humility and innate desire to improve may convert the subject. He needs to heed. My personal feeling is: all the knowledgeable astrologers here on the forum, viz. Sarvshri Bhaskar, Sunil Nair, Sreeram Sreenivas et al are having only the good intentions for the subject or else why would Shri Bhaskar write the mail at message no. 20539. Its just that, in my personal view, they are terribly wronged by the person by his conduct and words igniting an intense anger in them. I also believe they are capable of forgetting and forgiving provided right intentions are displayed. I hereby convey my appreciation to you for your efforts. Also, I have no intentions of joining any issue with anyone who do not agree with me. With regards K C Dwivedi , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr wrote: > > Namaste friends, > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful data. > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between some people on this list and there may be some background to this that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if you do not welcome my comments. > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below. > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa purusha (personified sin) that lives within one. > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in 9th in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart. > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to express them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha padas are very important. > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is conducive to mystical experiences and visions. > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions. > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart. > > * * * > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me. > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief. > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D- 24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will become a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this subject is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I learnt Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in the last 15 years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know several topics within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I know is much smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not saying this to sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the mastery of Parasara as I discover newer things. > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and less arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace, after you develop true humility. > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of mystical experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more progress and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion and keep your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise in the public. Do not go around touting things or giving the impression of touting. Please realize that there is much much more to be experienced and it will come only when you develop more discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not stagnate where you are now. > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned people and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are both Her forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and short temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of Her different forms. > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So much is expected from you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome your anger and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and also give direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you. > > * * * > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic comments on some sentiments I observed here. > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While Brahman (field of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also known as Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master it. If She gives someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that other people do not have access to, She may do it because of some reason. Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources needed for playing that role. Some beings play their role without ego and with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage calmly. Some beings have ego, take their role and " achievements " seriously and think that *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter type have more distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She needs those types too and may sometimes even give more so-called siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of which type one belongs to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge and experience one has is Hers and given because of the role one has to play. No more and no less. > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role to play and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely does not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says is correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas are a small part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over some aspects of maayaa are masters of astrology. > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her siddhis or other so-called achievements. > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its entirety. They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos are fully killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all the time, even when walking and talking. Thus, they understand Brahman as well as the entire field of duality and how it works. So they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not expect to find any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course, expect to find a lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds of mystical visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects of maayaa. > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical. > > Best regards, > Narasimha > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > Spirituality: > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> wrote: > > > > Date of Birth > > 17th August 1972 > > Time - 8.20pm > > Place - Rewa. (M.P.) > > > > Dear Members, > > This is a interesting case for study and matches much > > of the parameters required > > to get inside the configurations which make > > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated, > > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely. > > > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations- > > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time > > andother work to attend to. > > > > Moon - > > > > a) Debilitated. > > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb. > > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect. > > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect. > > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn. > > > > What does it mean ? - > > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able. > > Would be depraved mentality. > > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage. > > He would not be able to marry early in the first case. > > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type > > people., given to drinking,eating and all types > > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot > > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too > > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which > > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated. > > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there. > > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would > > be the biggest badha in this mans Life. > > due to..... > > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind, > > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits, > > depressed nerves, licentious habits, > > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise > > entaglements with low company.self undoing. > > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system > > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent. > > hallucinations would persist most of the time > > and he would be in a state of Utiopia. > > > > > > The 5th and 9th house > > > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house. > > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above. > > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect. > > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House > > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune > > in close conjunction. > > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the > > 6th Lord. > > > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva > > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good. > > This manwould be a selfish natured and self > > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all, > > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises. > > > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru, > > for he would disrespct his gurus after a > > certain period of association with them, > > he would insult them and cause grief to them > > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them. > > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse > > with his own Gurus wife. > > So he has done in the past births as > > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm., > > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother. > > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him. > > > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too, > > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him, > > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy > > his perverted demand of Lusts. > > > > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the 9th > > house. > > > > Will just say this much today..... > > A,m busy in other important work.... > > Will come with more inputs later...... > > > > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli > > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester > > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins > > and a outcaste by Actions, on the > > asytrological Forums. > > > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon, > > and mercury combined with neptune > > with a aspect of saturn and Mars, > > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house. > > > > > > BHASKAR. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear peter ( ashwini kumara ) ji your observation is excellent , But i must say prediction is poor .U hav seen 2 benefics in kendras ,Why dont u check those 2 benefics ,who is sitting from 2nd and 12th from them >is it is support??? a big block ??? why dont u check all planets and degrees and lagna rising and panchanga effect why dont u see dasa pattern he born with and consider the vimshottary from moon and souls progression tru time tru various dasas . why dont u check the reason for this soul take birth and now foul mouthing gurus who ever served him with good motives ,why dont his mind allow him obey those gurus .Dont u know what judas gained out of 30 shekels he got by selling his guru ?? why he is portraying full time astrologers who has no other income who charges for their service as cheats and frauds .I know if u want i can produce a mail he said a memebr of this forum who livs in canada who charges 200 dollars for his astrological service ,he wrote abt him in grp and malign him as greedy ,why dont he think what r the cost of living in canda ??why he think he only should enjoy the life and others only duty is to predict or teach him free when ever he demands . DId all this shows as merits what u see in his chart . U said sadguru can solve the problem ,do u thing he can get a sad guru ..a man brutaly utilise the noble souls and when they stop services then i am expossing them ,what exposing .Even some one who cant pay for the services he used ,Do u think its gesture of a person who is going for evolution ??Or as an astrologer do u think no karma effects ? Its like some astroger suggested remedy for a rich man as mother died with hunger and said to distributing free food to whole world as upay ,do u think if u do such acts anything is guranteed .or every one has to pay for the deeds ?? dont u see his mails for asking explanation when ever he stumble upon some thing during his leisure reading ,and demanding like an asura who is not ready to giv any grace or gratitude to any one who come out with explanation .And if some one fail to reply because of his own personal problems ,dont u see his posts ,u ppl dont know anything ,u r frauds ,is it not ?? even in ur last mail when u try to explain a shloka which he demanded with his usual rapist style -did he giv u a thank u note ?? i hav one thing to say ,u should consider a chart as whole How nara simha come into pic i know ,but i am waiting for his explanation regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . Dear people, person it is not only " bad " things is own chart. Look at > in two benefic in kendra? We only look in that moon in nine bhava, > haha. Navamsha is good. That moon have benefice influence, it is not > just disaster. That chart it is not only bad and evil. Nobody have > perfect charts, even so called spiritual persons. > > So, will be good to look in the other things in chart, not only in > negative aspect, and not to look in other things in chart which is > excellent it is not objective. > > > Best regards, > ashwini Hari Om, Dear Lalit, if I can say something about how you can receive must benefit from spiritual life, in my opinion of course. I see in chart that the best thing for you will be that you have SataGuru and to serve him. Because with that Mangal in the six house in my opinion that Mangal is excellent for service of SataGuru. With that, many negative things in your chart will be neutralizes. With that move you will be neutralizes your weak moon, and some bad karakatvas from him. Best regards, ashwini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear peter ( ashwini kumara ) ji > > > > your observation is excellent , > > > > But i must say prediction is poor .U hav seen 2 benefics in kendras ,Why > dont u check those 2 benefics ,who is sitting from 2nd and 12th from > them >is it is support??? a big block ??? > > > > why dont u check all planets and degrees and lagna rising and > panchanga effect > > > > why dont u see dasa pattern he born with and consider the vimshottary > from moon and souls progression tru time tru various dasas . > > > > why dont u check the reason for this soul take birth and now foul > mouthing gurus who ever served him with good motives ,why dont his mind > allow him obey those gurus .Dont u know what judas gained out of 30 > shekels he got by selling his guru ?? > > > > why he is portraying full time astrologers who has no other income > who charges for their service as cheats and frauds .I know if u want i > can produce a mail he said a memebr of this forum who livs in canada who > charges 200 dollars for his astrological service ,he wrote abt him in > grp and malign him as greedy ,why dont he think what r the cost of > living in canda ??why he think he only should enjoy the life and others > only duty is to predict or teach him free when ever he demands . > > > > DId all this shows as merits what u see in his chart . > > > > U said sadguru can solve the problem ,do u thing he can get a sad guru > .a man brutaly utilise the noble souls and when they stop services then > i am expossing them ,what exposing .Even some one who cant pay for the > services he used ,Do u think its gesture of a person who is going for > evolution ??Or as an astrologer do u think no karma effects ? > > > > Its like some astroger suggested remedy for a rich man as mother died > with hunger and said to distributing free food to whole world as upay > ,do u think if u do such acts anything is guranteed .or every one has > to pay for the deeds ?? > > > > dont u see his mails for asking explanation when ever he stumble upon > some thing during his leisure reading ,and demanding like an asura who > is not ready to giv any grace or gratitude to any one who come out with > explanation .And if some one fail to reply because of his own personal > problems ,dont u see his posts ,u ppl dont know anything ,u r frauds ,is > it not ?? > > even in ur last mail when u try to explain a shloka which he demanded > with his usual rapist style -did he giv u a thank u note ?? > > > > i hav one thing to say ,u should consider a chart as whole > > > > How nara simha come into pic i know ,but i am waiting for his > explanation > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > Dear people, person it is not only " bad " things is own chart. Look at > > in two benefic in kendra? We only look in that moon in nine bhava, > > haha. Navamsha is good. That moon have benefice influence, it is not > > just disaster. That chart it is not only bad and evil. Nobody have > > perfect charts, even so called spiritual persons. > > > > So, will be good to look in the other things in chart, not only in > > negative aspect, and not to look in other things in chart which is > > excellent it is not objective. > > > > > > Best regards, > > ashwini > > Hari Om, > > Dear Lalit, if I can say something about how you can receive must > benefit from spiritual life, in my opinion of course. > > I see in chart that the best thing for you will be that you have > SataGuru and to serve him. Because with that Mangal in the six house > in my opinion that Mangal is excellent for service of SataGuru. > > With that, many negative things in your chart will be neutralizes. > With that move you will be neutralizes your weak moon, and some bad > karakatvas from him. > > Best regards, > ashwini > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Dear Shri Dwivediji, Namaste. You have rightly assessed me. I will be the first one to forgive and forget if a person is repentous of his henious actions. We are all good people and not interested in hurting anyone, neither bad blood, neither in abusive exchanges and neither in seeking base pleasure in pointing out negatives in ones Birth charts. I am still a very soft guy and would not even hurt a fly or ant. But at the same time, if provocated I would not show my back, but fight a Lion bare handed if need be ( Bare handed, because I am not like Salman Khan or his brethren who kill innocent unarmed sattwik animals, with the power and assistance of Petrol powered Car, Guns, few armed men around him, Torches, and such tools of ammunitions). I am a person whose enemy if weak, I will make him strong, and then fight with him. This person Lalit, I have no enmity, no ill feelings, but his impudence has certainly triggered this spate of hate mails, and he being a Brahmin, makes it all sorrowful for one to reply back. Whether Brahmin or no Brahmin, we are Indians first and our Culture must not be forgotten, a Culture and rich heritage which teaches us to respect our elders and not insult them. Difference of opinions, arguments, mismatching on issues, even a Father and son may have, but disrespect in the relationship, is a strict No. From my side I am willing to forget the whole episode and close it , and treat the Young man as a child who has played naughty for some time but now realised. So I will forgive him and move forward. But, What does he have to say, we do not know yet. Best wishes, Bhaskar. , " kcdd8 " <kcdd8 wrote: > > Dear Shri Rao > > Without going into the astrological reasonings and counters thereto > on the subject person's chart, which in any case is beyond my > capability and irrespective of whatever criticisms that are hurled at > you, I wish to assure you that the belief that the basic goodness is > present in every human being is truly Satvik. Had it not been so we > would not be recounting the episode of how the dreaded dacoit > Ratnakar turned into the `Valmiki' and gave us the Ramayana. In fact > the right circumstances and a strong determination coupled, of > course, with humility and innate desire to improve may convert the > subject. He needs to heed. > > My personal feeling is: all the knowledgeable astrologers here on the > forum, viz. Sarvshri Bhaskar, Sunil Nair, Sreeram Sreenivas et al are > having only the good intentions for the subject or else why would > Shri Bhaskar write the mail at message no. 20539. Its just that, in > my personal view, they are terribly wronged by the person by his > conduct and words igniting an intense anger in them. I also believe > they are capable of forgetting and forgiving provided right > intentions are displayed. > > I hereby convey my appreciation to you for your efforts. > > Also, I have no intentions of joining any issue with anyone who do > not agree with me. > > With regards > > K C Dwivedi > , " Narasimha P.V.R. Rao " <pvr@> > wrote: > > > > Namaste friends, > > > > I came to this list after a long time and checked the latest > messages. This topic attracted me - I thought I would find useful > data. > > > > Having opened the mail, I want to respond astrologically on this > data. I realize that there may be some unpleasant dealings between > some people on this list and there may be some background to this > that I am unaware of. However, as an astrologer given a chart, I want > to say a few words on this chart. Please forgive me if you do not > welcome my comments. > > > > In my judgment, the native is not " mentally deranged " . He may be > very very fiery and unreasonably short-tempered, but I see no mental > derangement and hallucinations as mentioned below. > > > > Lagna and Moon are both very closely aspected by Mars (8th and 4th > aspects respectively). Mars is with another fiery planet Sun in a > fiery sign (Leo). Such Mars aspecting lagna and Moon closely makes > him quite short-tempered and haughty. Mars aspects Moon and lagna in > trimsamsa (D-30) also. D-30 is the chart that shows one's evils that > operate at the sub-conscious plane and throws light on the paapa > purusha (personified sin) that lives within one. > > > > This combination is bad and makes him very hot and perhaps over the > top. It shows a lot of inbuilt anger that needs to be overcome. > However, Jupiter owns lagna and occupies a quadrant - his > moolatrikona. He has rasi drishti as well as 3/4th graha drishti on > lagna. That is the savior. Also, navamsa lagna lord is exalted in 9th > in navamsa. These factors give basic strength to the chart. > > > > I cannot understand why debilitated 5th lord Moon in 9th is so > terrible. It is actually good to have the 9th lord in 5th (even if in > debility). Though Moon is debilitated, he has neecha bhanga. The > exchange between 9th lord Ketu and 5th lord Moon is quite good for > spiritual progress. The placement of devatapada (A9) and mantrapada > (A5) in a lagna owned by Jupiter, with Jupiter aspecting them, is a > great blessing in one's spiritual pursuit. Padas (arudha padas) are > to bhavas (houses) what words (padas) are to meanings/feelings > (bhavas). While feelings are intangible, the words used to express > them are tangible. The houses can show intangible matters, while > their arudha padas show tangible articles related to them. Arudha > padas are very important. > > > > Lagna is in 8th from chara atmakaraka in navamsa and that is good > for spiritual progress. In vimsamsa (D-20), the chart of spiritual > evolution, lagna lord Jupiter is in the 12th house of liberation. The > lord of devata/guru sthana (9th), Sun, is in a friendly sign in > lagna. That is excellent. The 5th house of mantra is strong with > nodes. Chandra Mangala yoga in the 6th house of siddhis given by the > 8th lord of occult experiences and 12th lord of liberation is > conducive to mystical experiences and visions. > > > > With this rasi, navamsa, trimsamsa and vimsamsa, I do not see a > mentally deranged person with hallucinations, but a person of some > spiritual progress, mystical experiences and visions. > > > > Of course, my analysis can only be as good as my knowledge and it > is possible that I erred in my analysis and judgment. But I am > stating what I honestly feel after looking at this chart. > > > > * * * > > > > Lalit, because you discussed your chart publicly, I want to offer a > couple of comments. Hoping that you will tolerate some criticism from > me, I will give some honest advice. Please bear with me. > > > > You have a nice chart. Marriage is difficult with upapada lagna in > Taurus, Saturn in it and 2nd lord in 3rd with Ketu. In navamsa, 7th > lord is in marana karaka sthana. It is difficult to get married. > Fasting on Fridays and praying to Lalita Tripurasundari at the end of > the day before breaking the fast is recommended for relief. > > > > You have Saraswati yoga in rasi chart and dhanur guru in lagna in D- > 24 (chart of learning). AK is in 11th house in rasi chart. You will > become a good astrologer in time. But please note that humility is a > great virtue. As you learn more, you will realize that this subject > is vast and one lifetime is insufficient to master it. I learnt > Jyotish about 25 years back and spent a lot of my time in the last 15 > years learning and researching Jyotish. Though I know several topics > within Jyotish reasonably well, I do know that what I know is much > smaller than what is still there to learn. I am not saying this to > sound humble. I know it for a fact. I marvel at the mastery of > Parasara as I discover newer things. > > > > Please continue to learn Jyotish from your gurus, but show some > humility and be less confrontational and dismissive of others and > less arrogant. You will become a good astrologer with Her grace, > after you develop true humility. > > > > Spiritually, I am confident that you have had your share of > mystical experiences. However, I know some who made 1,000 times more > progress and yet keep quiet mostly. You need to show some discretion > and keep your spiritual progress to yourself and not make much noise > in the public. Do not go around touting things or giving the > impression of touting. Please realize that there is much much more to > be experienced and it will come only when you develop more > discretion. You are destined for bigger things and please do not > stagnate where you are now. > > > > Praises and criticism are both Her forms. Happiness and sadness are > both Her forms. Friends and enemies are both Her forms. Learned > people and idiots are both Her forms. Knowledge and ignorance are > both Her forms. Love Her in Her full glory. Overcome your anger and > short temper and fill your heart with pure love for Her and all of > Her different forms. > > > > Please let Pisces lagna and Dhanur Guru dominate your personality > and not Simha Mangala aspecting lagna. Let Saturn and Ketu transiting > on natal Mars shut down this aspect of your personality for ever. So > much is expected from you. Please live up to your chart (or atleast > my judgment of it!). I sincerely hope that you overcome your anger > and hot nature, shine as a star in the Jyotish world and also give > direction to many spiritual seekers. You have it in you. > > > > * * * > > > > I want to make one comment on siddhis, spiritual experiences and > knowledge. These are not comments on anyone, but judt generic > comments on some sentiments I observed here. > > > > If someone has mystical experiences and visions, it does not mean > that the person knows everything or is a perfect person. While > Brahman (field of singularity) is One, the field of duality (also > known as Maayaa) is infinite and it is impossible to master it. If > She gives someone access to some aspects of the Maayaa that other > people do not have access to, She may do it because of some reason. > Each being has a specific role to play and given the resources needed > for playing that role. Some beings play their role without ego and > with a complete sense of surrender and leave the stage calmly. Some > beings have ego, take their role and " achievements " seriously and > think that *they* are doing things and make more noise. The latter > type have more distance to go before becoming liberated. However, She > needs those types too and may sometimes even give more so-called > siddhis to the latter type. Irrespective of which type one belongs > to, the bottomline is that all the knowledge and experience one has > is Hers and given because of the role one has to play. No more and no > less. > > > > If a yogi has visions of a devata (deity) or other visions or other > mystical experiences, it was made possible because he/she has a role > to play and those experiences are needed for that role. It absolutely > does not mean that he/she is somehow great and whatever he/she says > is correct. One may master one aspect of maayaa and be clueless on > other aspects of maayaa. Astrology and other vedaangas are a small > part of this maayaa. Not everyone with some control over some aspects > of maayaa are masters of astrology. > > > > A true yogi neither craves for any siddhis nor does he reject them > when/if they come. Also, you cannot identify a true yogi from his/her > siddhis or other so-called achievements. > > > > Only maharishis are capable of understanding Maayaa in its > entirety. They have zero attachment and sense of doership. Their egos > are fully killed and hence they are able to be in sahaja samadhi all > the time, even when walking and talking. Thus, they understand > Brahman as well as the entire field of duality and how it works. So > they are masters of all subjects. But, we should not expect to find > any maharshis in today's world. We can, of course, expect to find a > lot of advanced yogis who experience various kinds of mystical > visions and yet have imperfect knowledge of many aspects of maayaa. > > > > Sorry if you found my freewheeling 2 cents nonsensical. > > > > Best regards, > > Narasimha > > -------------------------------- - > > Do Ganapathi Homam Yourself: http://www.VedicAstrologer.org/homam > > Spirituality: > > Free Jyotish lessons (MP3): http://vedicastro.home.comcast.net > > Free Jyotish software (Windows): http://www.VedicAstrologer.org > > Sri Jagannath Centre (SJC) website: http://www.SriJagannath.org > > -------------------------------- - > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > Date of Birth > > > 17th August 1972 > > > Time - 8.20pm > > > Place - Rewa. (M.P.) > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > This is a interesting case for study and matches much > > > of the parameters required > > > to get inside the configurations which make > > > one act funnily, schizophrenic, psychotic, frustrated, > > > complexed, mad like, and out of focus completely. > > > > > > Look at the dangerous and unfortunate combinations- > > > I am taking only 1 planet today due to paucity of time > > > andother work to attend to. > > > > > > Moon - > > > > > > a) Debilitated. > > > b) In close conjunction with Neptune - 2 degrees orb. > > > c) Aspected by Saturn through 7th aspect. > > > d) Aspected by Mars through 4th Aspect. > > > e) Moon in nakshatra of Saturn. > > > > > > What does it mean ? - > > > 1) Moon karaka of mind is afflicted.- mentally not able. > > > Would be depraved mentality. > > > 2) Punarphoo Dosha- Would never be happy in marriage. > > > He would not be able to marry early in the first case. > > > 3) Depressing mentality- would co-inhabit with slum type > > > people., given to drinking,eating and all types > > > of enjoyment and making merry. Would be a idiot > > > 4) I need not talk about his mother as 4th house too > > > is afflcited along with the Moon. Moon which > > > represents the 4th is afflcited and debilitated. > > > The 4th house has the 8th Lord venus placed there. > > > Its self explanatory. His mother herself would > > > be the biggest badha in this mans Life. > > > due to..... > > > 5)Involuntary mediumship,psychis diseases,weird state of mind, > > > depraved moral character,drug and narcotics habits, > > > depressed nerves, licentious habits, > > > perversity, morbidity,passional excesses, unwise > > > entaglements with low company.self undoing. > > > All diseases will manifest upon the nervous system > > > and the mind. he will become self-indulgent. > > > hallucinations would persist most of the time > > > and he would be in a state of Utiopia. > > > > > > > > > The 5th and 9th house > > > > > > a) The badhaka Lord Mercury seated in the 5th house. > > > b) The 5th lord Moon already stated above. > > > c) The 5th sign Cancer aspected by Saturn thriough 3rd aspect. > > > d) Rahu aspecting the 5th House > > > e) The 9th House containing debilitated Moon and Neptune > > > in close conjunction. > > > f) The 9th house Lord in the 6th house with the > > > 6th Lord. > > > > > > The 5th house and 9th house shows neither poorva > > > ounya and neither present inclinations towards doing any good. > > > This manwould be a selfish natured and self > > > centered person trying to take advantage of one and all, > > > 'and would even sell his mother if the need arises. > > > > > > h ecannot meditate ever in his Life, cannot have a Guru, > > > for he would disrespct his gurus after a > > > certain period of association with them, > > > he would insult them and cause grief to them > > > thereby incusrring " Shraap " or " Curse " from them. > > > He will stoop so low as to even have sexual interourse > > > with his own Gurus wife. > > > So he has done in the past births as > > > the position of Saturn and gurus retrogression confirm., > > > reconfirmed by a debilitated Moon, meaning Mother. > > > So all mother like figures too would not be a Mother for him. > > > > > > Hw will have a problem with giving birth to children too, > > > for he will have depraved types of stimulations in him, > > > which would make him co-inhabit even with a animal to satisfy > > > his perverted demand of Lusts. > > > > > > he will have a problem with his own father as seen from the 9th > > > house. > > > > > > Will just say this much today..... > > > A,m busy in other important work.... > > > Will come with more inputs later...... > > > > > > By the way this Kundli is the Kundli > > > of the greatest Joker,trickster and the Kingof dupester > > > " Lalit Mishra " the black Spot in name of Brahmins > > > and a outcaste by Actions, on the > > > asytrological Forums. > > > > > > This is the worst case of a afflicted Moon, > > > and mercury combined with neptune > > > with a aspect of saturn and Mars, > > > and a afflicted 5th and 9th house. > > > > > > > > > BHASKAR. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: Hari Om. Dear Sunil, I try to post massage but I failed. I don't know what is wrong with forum, but I can not posting my reply to you, so I write second time, I hope this one will be good. We all have own theory in analyzing the someone chart. You right, maybe I failed in such analyzing. But I try to help someone with constructive suggestions, how to solve own problem on the best way. I know that I must to look whole chart, but if I will be focusing only on the negative aspect of nature, and bad samskaras, what I will be doing in that case? If someone is bad toward me, ok. If someone saying to me that I m stupid, ok, I m stupid. When someone tel me that my mother is bad person, ok, i wish my mother that will be more adarmic in the future, that is her karma, what can I do, nothing. But if we indulge in fight wit someone, nothing constructive never born from this situation, only thing will be that someone will be crying, that all what will be happened. I not saying that Lalit is saint, of course is not. But why not we focus on the brighter side and in debating try to uplift someone brighter nature. Why in debate we must uplifting someone darker nature on the surface? When someone will attacking me on forum, ok. Everybody have his own reasoning to attacking someone. But depends of us how will be reacting on that attack. It is not necessary that I must slap someone on the face, haha. I don't have to engage in hard fight, why? That person will not kill me, not someone in my family. If we don't have same opinion, ok. I will have my opinion and he is have own opinion. When I tell Lalit that will be very good to him that he is engaged in GuruBhakti and service to SataGuru, not Shiksha Guru. I must have to tell him, if I see in his chart such thing. Depends on him karma of course will be have Guru or not, but that is something in his chart what is crucial in his life, on my opinion. Why he is born and past life, it is doesn't matter right now. But it does matter how will be influence on someone karma with our actions. If we perceive that with someone don't have communication or normal human interaction, ok. If a tell someone some negative aspect in his chart, than I must to offer him something which will be of benefit in some particular situation. This things is not have anything with Jyotish, what I try to say to you, but with other things. Why will be fight, silent is strong weapon, in some cases even stronger than any other weapons. Best regards, ashwini > > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear peter ( ashwini kumara ) ji > > > > your observation is excellent , > > > > But i must say prediction is poor .U hav seen 2 benefics in kendras ,Why > dont u check those 2 benefics ,who is sitting from 2nd and 12th from > them >is it is support??? a big block ??? > > > > why dont u check all planets and degrees and lagna rising and > panchanga effect > > > > why dont u see dasa pattern he born with and consider the vimshottary > from moon and souls progression tru time tru various dasas . > > > > why dont u check the reason for this soul take birth and now foul > mouthing gurus who ever served him with good motives ,why dont his mind > allow him obey those gurus .Dont u know what judas gained out of 30 > shekels he got by selling his guru ?? > > > > why he is portraying full time astrologers who has no other income > who charges for their service as cheats and frauds .I know if u want i > can produce a mail he said a memebr of this forum who livs in canada who > charges 200 dollars for his astrological service ,he wrote abt him in > grp and malign him as greedy ,why dont he think what r the cost of > living in canda ??why he think he only should enjoy the life and others > only duty is to predict or teach him free when ever he demands . > > > > DId all this shows as merits what u see in his chart . > > > > U said sadguru can solve the problem ,do u thing he can get a sad guru > .a man brutaly utilise the noble souls and when they stop services then > i am expossing them ,what exposing .Even some one who cant pay for the > services he used ,Do u think its gesture of a person who is going for > evolution ??Or as an astrologer do u think no karma effects ? > > > > Its like some astroger suggested remedy for a rich man as mother died > with hunger and said to distributing free food to whole world as upay > ,do u think if u do such acts anything is guranteed .or every one has > to pay for the deeds ?? > > > > dont u see his mails for asking explanation when ever he stumble upon > some thing during his leisure reading ,and demanding like an asura who > is not ready to giv any grace or gratitude to any one who come out with > explanation .And if some one fail to reply because of his own personal > problems ,dont u see his posts ,u ppl dont know anything ,u r frauds ,is > it not ?? > > even in ur last mail when u try to explain a shloka which he demanded > with his usual rapist style -did he giv u a thank u note ?? > > > > i hav one thing to say ,u should consider a chart as whole > > > > How nara simha come into pic i know ,but i am waiting for his > explanation > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > Dear people, person it is not only " bad " things is own chart. Look at > > in two benefic in kendra? We only look in that moon in nine bhava, > > haha. Navamsha is good. That moon have benefice influence, it is not > > just disaster. That chart it is not only bad and evil. Nobody have > > perfect charts, even so called spiritual persons. > > > > So, will be good to look in the other things in chart, not only in > > negative aspect, and not to look in other things in chart which is > > excellent it is not objective. > > > > > > Best regards, > > ashwini > > Hari Om, > > Dear Lalit, if I can say something about how you can receive must > benefit from spiritual life, in my opinion of course. > > I see in chart that the best thing for you will be that you have > SataGuru and to serve him. Because with that Mangal in the six house > in my opinion that Mangal is excellent for service of SataGuru. > > With that, many negative things in your chart will be neutralizes. > With that move you will be neutralizes your weak moon, and some bad > karakatvas from him. > > Best regards, > ashwini > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Dear friends in the group, I have already made a mention, that we are always open to any individual, provided he mends his ways. Never in my internet mailing fought like this, for this being an extreme case, needed strong rebuttal. I am willing to pardon or ignore the past should one repent sincerely and honestly. Refer my earlier mails, where I made this statement. Sincerity must be there... any shades of crocodile, may only lead to further backlash, till then saga would continue !!?? !!! i.e. Good Vs Bad. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 THE TRUTHS OF LIFE - " Everyone is good to You, till You expect nothing from them. And You are too good to them, only till You fulfill their expectations " . " If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man. " BHASKAR. , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Dear friends in the group, > > I have already made a mention, that we are always open to any > individual, provided he mends his ways. Never in my internet mailing > fought like this, for this being an extreme case, needed strong > rebuttal. I am willing to pardon or ignore the past should one repent > sincerely and honestly. Refer my earlier mails, where I made this > statement. > > Sincerity must be there... any shades of crocodile, may only lead to > further backlash, till then saga would continue !!?? !!! i.e. Good Vs > Bad. > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear peter ji U know there is 4 maargas ,sama ,dhana ,bheda ,dhanda Last one yr ,irrespectiv of not paying me even promised fees ,i was doing this wat u said ,i was trying inject good confidence tht also daily 2 hr basis Now u tell me what to do ,do u want me to do seva i will do . He wvwn asked me many times why u gurus talk like this ,we cant respect u ,and i always try to reason him and tryied to giv him good direction in life if u can make him good i hav no problem ,its upt to u ,i giv up and the last chance also expired . I am blved that dronacharya asked gurdakshina and he got with full respect ,But u see what i get Sunil nair exposed --a gr8 cheat and fraud is it not regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , " Petar " <ashwinikumaras wrote: > > , " sunil nair " > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > Hari Om. > > Dear Sunil, I try to post massage but I failed. I don't know what is > wrong with forum, but I can not posting my reply to you, so I write > second time, I hope this one will be good. > > We all have own theory in analyzing the someone chart. You right, > maybe I failed in such analyzing. But I try to help someone with > constructive suggestions, how to solve own problem on the best way. > > I know that I must to look whole chart, but if I will be focusing only > on the negative aspect of nature, and bad samskaras, what I will be > doing in that case? > > If someone is bad toward me, ok. If someone saying to me that I m > stupid, ok, I m stupid. When someone tel me that my mother is bad > person, ok, i wish my mother that will be more adarmic in the future, > that is her karma, what can I do, nothing. > > But if we indulge in fight wit someone, nothing constructive never > born from this situation, only thing will be that someone will be > crying, that all what will be happened. > > I not saying that Lalit is saint, of course is not. But why not we > focus on the brighter side and in debating try to uplift someone > brighter nature. Why in debate we must uplifting someone darker nature > on the surface? > > When someone will attacking me on forum, ok. Everybody have his own > reasoning to attacking someone. But depends of us how will be reacting > on that attack. It is not necessary that I must slap someone on the > face, haha. > > I don't have to engage in hard fight, why? That person will not kill > me, not someone in my family. If we don't have same opinion, ok. I > will have my opinion and he is have own opinion. > > When I tell Lalit that will be very good to him that he is engaged in > GuruBhakti and service to SataGuru, not Shiksha Guru. I must have to > tell him, if I see in his chart such thing. Depends on him karma of > course will be have Guru or not, but that is something in his chart > what is crucial in his life, on my opinion. > > Why he is born and past life, it is doesn't matter right now. But it > does matter how will be influence on someone karma with our actions. > > If we perceive that with someone don't have communication or normal > human interaction, ok. > > If a tell someone some negative aspect in his chart, than I must to > offer him something which will be of benefit in some particular situation. > > This things is not have anything with Jyotish, what I try to say to > you, but with other things. > > Why will be fight, silent is strong weapon, in some cases even > stronger than any other weapons. > > Best regards, > ashwini > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > > > dear peter ( ashwini kumara ) ji > > > > > > > > your observation is excellent , > > > > > > > > But i must say prediction is poor .U hav seen 2 benefics in kendras ,Why > > dont u check those 2 benefics ,who is sitting from 2nd and 12th from > > them >is it is support??? a big block ??? > > > > > > > > why dont u check all planets and degrees and lagna rising and > > panchanga effect > > > > > > > > why dont u see dasa pattern he born with and consider the vimshottary > > from moon and souls progression tru time tru various dasas . > > > > > > > > why dont u check the reason for this soul take birth and now foul > > mouthing gurus who ever served him with good motives ,why dont his mind > > allow him obey those gurus .Dont u know what judas gained out of 30 > > shekels he got by selling his guru ?? > > > > > > > > why he is portraying full time astrologers who has no other income > > who charges for their service as cheats and frauds .I know if u want i > > can produce a mail he said a memebr of this forum who livs in canada who > > charges 200 dollars for his astrological service ,he wrote abt him in > > grp and malign him as greedy ,why dont he think what r the cost of > > living in canda ??why he think he only should enjoy the life and others > > only duty is to predict or teach him free when ever he demands . > > > > > > > > DId all this shows as merits what u see in his chart . > > > > > > > > U said sadguru can solve the problem ,do u thing he can get a sad guru > > .a man brutaly utilise the noble souls and when they stop services then > > i am expossing them ,what exposing .Even some one who cant pay for the > > services he used ,Do u think its gesture of a person who is going for > > evolution ??Or as an astrologer do u think no karma effects ? > > > > > > > > Its like some astroger suggested remedy for a rich man as mother died > > with hunger and said to distributing free food to whole world as upay > > ,do u think if u do such acts anything is guranteed .or every one has > > to pay for the deeds ?? > > > > > > > > dont u see his mails for asking explanation when ever he stumble upon > > some thing during his leisure reading ,and demanding like an asura who > > is not ready to giv any grace or gratitude to any one who come out with > > explanation .And if some one fail to reply because of his own personal > > problems ,dont u see his posts ,u ppl dont know anything ,u r frauds ,is > > it not ?? > > > > even in ur last mail when u try to explain a shloka which he demanded > > with his usual rapist style -did he giv u a thank u note ?? > > > > > > > > i hav one thing to say ,u should consider a chart as whole > > > > > > > > How nara simha come into pic i know ,but i am waiting for his > > explanation > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear people, person it is not only " bad " things is own chart. Look at > > > in two benefic in kendra? We only look in that moon in nine bhava, > > > haha. Navamsha is good. That moon have benefice influence, it is not > > > just disaster. That chart it is not only bad and evil. Nobody have > > > perfect charts, even so called spiritual persons. > > > > > > So, will be good to look in the other things in chart, not only in > > > negative aspect, and not to look in other things in chart which is > > > excellent it is not objective. > > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > ashwini > > > > Hari Om, > > > > Dear Lalit, if I can say something about how you can receive must > > benefit from spiritual life, in my opinion of course. > > > > I see in chart that the best thing for you will be that you have > > SataGuru and to serve him. Because with that Mangal in the six house > > in my opinion that Mangal is excellent for service of SataGuru. > > > > With that, many negative things in your chart will be neutralizes. > > With that move you will be neutralizes your weak moon, and some bad > > karakatvas from him. > > > > Best regards, > > ashwini > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 hare ramakrishna respected bhaskar ji well said ,all the moral policing ppl who says now do this and do that should do 2 hrs daily prdictions to every one who comes and then they can preach . why cant they do it so world will b a better place we r worst as we helped some one and now all maha rishis r advising us ,they forget bagawan krishna ,they forget every thing what our dharma says ,its easy to advice do they keep a mad dog at home ,do they dont vaccinate ,do they not using lotions to kill gems . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish wrote: > > > THE TRUTHS OF LIFE - > > " Everyone is good to You, > till You expect nothing from them. > And You are too good to them, > only till You fulfill their expectations " . > > " If you pick up a starving dog and make him > prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the > principal difference between a dog and a man. " > > BHASKAR. , " sreeram srinivas " > sreeram64@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear friends in the group, > > > > I have already made a mention, that we are always open to any > > individual, provided he mends his ways. Never in my internet > mailing > > fought like this, for this being an extreme case, needed strong > > rebuttal. I am willing to pardon or ignore the past should one > repent > > sincerely and honestly. Refer my earlier mails, where I made this > > statement. > > > > Sincerity must be there... any shades of crocodile, may only lead > to > > further backlash, till then saga would continue !!?? !!! i.e. > Good Vs > > Bad. > > > > With regards, > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > hare ramakrishna > > respected bhaskar ji > > > > well said ,all the moral policing ppl who says now do this and do that > should do 2 hrs daily prdictions to every one who comes and then they > can preach . > > why cant they do it > > so world will b a better place > > > > we r worst as we helped some one and now all maha rishis r advising us > ,they forget bagawan krishna ,they forget every thing what our dharma > says ,its easy to advice > > > > do they keep a mad dog at home ,do they dont vaccinate ,do they not > using lotions to kill gems . > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > Hari Om. Dear Sunil, what can you loose if you don't react on someone attack on the forum? Let that someone speak what he wont. It doesn't matter, you know and your friends if you innocent in that story. I have few blogs in the past about Sanathana Dharma and Atmavidya, and in this moment I have one. Imagine what people and how many people try to provoke me, and what kind of staff some people is prepare to do, haha. If I react on that thing I never be able nothing to do accept fight with them. I was few times engage in that kind of communication, it was similar like this one on forum. Even I have right to fight with that persons late after that I feel sorry for that. Because I have no mercy to him. So I understand that you or somebody else engage in that kind of communication, but what can loose if you don't fight? Best regards, ashwini > > > > , " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish@> > wrote: > > > > > > THE TRUTHS OF LIFE - > > > > " Everyone is good to You, > > till You expect nothing from them. > > And You are too good to them, > > only till You fulfill their expectations " . > > > > " If you pick up a starving dog and make him > > prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the > > principal difference between a dog and a man. " > > > > BHASKAR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " sreeram srinivas " > > sreeram64@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear friends in the group, > > > > > > I have already made a mention, that we are always open to any > > > individual, provided he mends his ways. Never in my internet > > mailing > > > fought like this, for this being an extreme case, needed strong > > > rebuttal. I am willing to pardon or ignore the past should one > > repent > > > sincerely and honestly. Refer my earlier mails, where I made this > > > statement. > > > > > > Sincerity must be there... any shades of crocodile, may only lead > > to > > > further backlash, till then saga would continue !!?? !!! i.e. > > Good Vs > > > Bad. > > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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